No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 148: US Open Recap

Episode Date: June 18, 2018

Brooks Koepka has won his second straight U.S. Open title, and the gang is here to break it down from beginning to end. We talk about Koepka’s play down the stretch, the setup day to... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 148: US Open Recap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. US Open recap edition, first question, we're going to go to DJ Pie. How bad are you sweating it out with Patrick Reed winning back to back majors? I think it would have been tremendous content for those that didn't know.

We asked, starting with the masters We said pick one player that is definitely not going to win The kid here took Patrick Reed Proved to be you know not my my best moment So I decided to double down on Patrick Reed thinking there was no way he was going to win two in a row and You guys should be apologizing to me because obviously he did not so you're welcome You're sweat your change of positions on the cow It's your moving all around. It was great. It was an awesome start. I think you paid off Kessler. I did yeah

Kessler stopped laying down eventually. Yeah, yeah, you just started mounted it You look a lot like when Randy when Randy does when Ricky starts making his his leap up the leader boy. I will say Ricky Randy was He was strangely confident and steadfast in his put downs of Ricky. As if he could see the future and he seemed to feel very vindicated when Ricky Chai ate for it. You know what, it was vindication but I don't think he takes joy. Yeah, no, no, no, please, please. I get no personal pleasure out of this.

But I've seen the movie before. I knew how it ended. All right, Tron, I want to your initial reaction. It wasn't the most exciting Sunday, US Open Finish, but to Broke's Capco, winning back-to-back majors, what's your reaction to that? Oh, I mean, it's exceptionally impressive. Of all majors, too, the US open.

Like, I think that's probably the hardest one to win back to back. Maybe the British, just because you have to. The UK British open. Yeah, the UK British open. The UK British open. Her Majesty's UK British open. Just because, you know, like,

whether it can be a factor in that one, but I think this one on two vastly different courses, like you said earlier, Salah, and, you know, 1600 last year and then Parts irrelevant, but yes. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so all props to him. I'll leave my other takes for In a bit. Okay, interesting. Randy Yeah, super impressive. I just think he just looked in complete control. I Think as we were kind of talking the most interesting aspect of him now winning

to us opens is he's only had one other PGA tour win and he seems like gosh he seems like he just has a game to he should have 10 wins by now. It's just kind of an interesting dynamic but specific to this week yeah super impressive especially this weekend, just looked at you as in complete control. I mean, yeah, I don't know if there's a thing, if there's a there there with him having two majors and one other tour victory, I think we could probably make our best guests or unpack that.

It probably has to do a lot with the setup, I think, there, you know, when you have a golf course like this where things really kind of're, you know, when you have a golf course like this, where things really kind of get serious, it seems like you have the premier players kind of rest the top and the rest 10 to fold. So I don't know why that doesn't happen more on, you know, a week to week basis on the PJ tour. But yeah, I mean, there was no moment after his up and down on 12.

I don't think like we were kind of saying it around the house here that it just didn't seem like it just felt it felt over I think a lot of that had to do with last year too and kind of kept waiting for him to fall apart last year or Wave or at all and just didn't happen and today was today was the same thing. Yeah, it was just it was Crazy impressive to see him holding putt Especially in a week where it didn't seem like anybody could really get anything to drop so the up and down on 12 It was all world. Absolutely ignorant.

Yeah. And making four on 11 is probably what won in the championship. Yeah. I mean where he was on 11, he said he, in the interview afterwards, he would have taken five from there because he thought, I mean, he had to chip back into the bunker, getting that up and down from the bunker. Um, 11's such a cool whole. Go back.

Go. That was the only hole that kind of got, I mean, we'll get into it, I'm sure. But that was the only hole that kind of felt like I mean we'll get into it, I'm sure, but that was the only hole that kind of felt like there was some Some unpredictability to it today. Go back to your point about you know him only wouldn't one other PGA tour event I think the closest comp that we can find is a guy like DAY brin. He won the What's now the John Deere classic you won it three times? The only one five total your class you won it three times. He only won five total tournaments.

Well, he's, I was gonna say he now has on Hill Cabrera's career resume, right? Three wins, two majors. He's from Bloomington, Illinois, I think too, as well. He didn't win him back to back years or anything like that, but I think that's still impressive. He's a big volume. Another guy like Zach Johnson, who has what, seven majors? With a John Deere, yeah. Six, I think, four John Deere's and

and whatever. But it's one thing. He's also got Joe because of course, three other top fives in majors. Like, yeah, and he he's played in 18 majors in his career, seven top 10s in them. He finished T four at the, at the US Open in 2014, Pine Ersson, he's finished in the top five twice at the PGH Championship. Like he's comes a big game. Yeah. He's not even a golfer. I definitely get the feeling that like he doesn't even really like golf all that much. I he wants us to believe that he wants to believe that, but I don't believe it. Like you can't be that good at golf without just extreme levels of practice and enjoy.

No, no, no, for sure. I just don't think he likes it. I think he wants us to believe he doesn't. I don't believe him that he doesn't. I mean, the way he talks about it too, just about how, if you really, if you really, you don't have to listen that closely, the cockiness and a lot of his statements.

And it's like he's almost wanting people to start hating him and hasn't really fully happened yet. I'm sure some people dislike him. But you're just really, really, really good. It's hard to fault cockiness. Yeah, I agree. I think I thought you were gonna say when you were trailing us with the comparison there

was on Helke Cabrera. It's kind of a similar sort of, just the way that he drives the ball and stuff. I mean, two majors and I think a green briar or something. Yeah. He wanted to order it up. It's still weird to see, what's that? He wanted out of order,

he should never want to regularly do that. I agree, to win it. Yeah, that's just two major. we're to see what's that he wanted out of order He should never want to regulate I agree Yeah, just too much agree My favorite I to be the Stephanie my favorite kept a story that like took took my fanhood of him to the next level Which is which is saying a lot is with the story from the 2015 open championship when he was like refusing to play his ball And the rules official was telling them like you need to keep going and and the rules official comes in It says I am a sir They were the rules officially official allegedly said and you will refer to me as such when addressing me and Kepp gets said I don't give a fuck who you are. I'm not playing until my ball stops oscillating

I wonder what that rules official thought of that fills play out there today We're gonna get to mr. Meta heart attack Phil's play out there today. Who's play is it, Brooks? We're going to get to Mr. Metal Heart attack. I do think though, that's about kind of capsidon what we have to say about Brooks. He's not the, there's not a whole lot of story there, and he's really, really, really good at golf, and it's really amazing to see somebody win two US opens. When just think about how many times Dustin Johnson has been involved in US Open in the last 10 year and only has one of them, Phil has been involved

in all of these for how many years and has never won one. To win two in a row is like, it's a big deal. What impresses you guys most about him? Is putting, honestly, I mean, everyone knows how far he hits it and the hits is really pure, but him and like, I think they don't get a lot of credit for how well they put JT. He doesn't get enough credit for how he puts,

and DJ also does not get enough credit. Not only the putting, like some of those 20, 30 yard pitch shots at least today, but I mean, it's not just the fact he makes the putts, it's that they look so like no doubt, they're just their dead center cut. And you know, it's like, I don't like, when I'm watching him and I want excitement and I want like I was reading for Fleetwood on the stretch today And I found myself I was like man

There's like there's no way that Brooks is gonna is gonna give this up. Yeah, I felt kind of hopeless after a while Yeah, what do we think about DJ's performance? I Think you had his like B B minus C plus game all week so it's tough for me to read too much into it. I mean I think it's kind of a testament to him that he was even in and at all. Yeah he played really well Friday. I thought like today's round, Sunday's round was a microcosm where he shot 70 which on paper is you know a good number especially in the final round of the US hoping. It just didn't feel, it felt worse than that.

I don't know, it just, it felt a little flat and I think that was kind of indicative. At least of his weekend, certainly. I think he got a tough, a bit of a tough draw as well, and just kind of the places he had to play and kind of got punished a little bit by being on the top of the leaderboard yesterday probably, the conditions getting the way they were at. And granted, he kind of gagged it away sooner than that, but still, yeah, I think he was kind of fighting it up, he'll fight it all away. I mean, Brooks got the toughened the draw, too, even though he Friday. He stepped up. I just think it was, you know, it was only a matter of time for DJ with

his, his, you know, granted, I picked him to win last last night even. But I think just kind of that was wishful thinking. It was like, it was just a matter of time the way he was hitting the ball. It was just okay. He flared a lot of balls out of the right. Yeah. To be the truth. Yeah. And one thing I certainly could be speaking of that, which I don't know, but I don't think

so. It seemed like in the telecast, you know that they talked about how DJ Is more or less like a dead weight putter like you know He tries to die the ball into the hole and I think when the course the green speed especially and and with some of the bumpiness Too even like when it changes so drastically from Friday to Saturday and then changes again from Saturday to Sunday Yeah, speed was terrible. It would seem like that would affect that type of putter more than a guy who's just always super aggressive and is, you know, doesn't mind, you know, running it three, four, five feet by the whole.

He just looked very uncomfortable on the greens this weekend and I got to think that played a part in it. It's a, the level at which the DJ is a big game, Hunter, though, to his last, the last five years in the US Open, T4, T2, winner. He was cut last year at Aaron Hills and a solo third this year. He's like Teddy Roosevelt, man. Like he's one of the biggest games. He's finished one, two, three, and four for the last five years at the US Open.

I mean, it's, it's a, that's, again, I know we, we four for the last five years at the US Open. I mean, it's a tour. That's, again, I know we kind of get caught up talking a lot of winners, but I think performances that in the top five are definitely noteworthy for somebody that says 15th, top 10 in a major. I think what's interesting, just, and I'll kind of toss this out to you guys. The difference in kind of curating for lack of a better term between DJ and Brooks and that I think obviously DJ is gets a lot of fan reaction and people love him for certain reasons. And then you have a guy like Brooks who I for whatever reason doesn't have that same fan appeal I don't think but yet he checks a lot of the same boxes like he's big he's athletic he's you know tan good

looking guy you know he's they're very similar but yet there's this kind of difference at some level. So I don't know I just find that interesting. Maybe Brooks, maybe people don't like his baneers. Allegedly. I think DJ has a lot more personality than people give him credit for. Like everybody's like, oh DJ is dumb. Actually, I don't think DJ is dumb. I think DJ is actually really funny. He's got like, he's really witty and stuff. He just chooses when to let people in. But I just... He kind of plays it up a little bit too almost. In May, he doesnal, is that? But Brooks doesn't give a shit about showing that to anybody.

And I think it, I don't know, maybe you guys back me up or correct me, but I feel like it took a while for DJ to get that also. I think when he was kind of first starting to win, it was kind of a lot of the same like, oh wow. Man, this guy's really good. Like what's, you know, he sure does hit it far. And you know, it was kind of,

there wasn't a town there, it wasn't until, I mean, people just love winners. And, you know, I think you hit a certain point with Dustin one, God, he played so well over the last years in a row. Yeah, and he just played so well over the last like three years. I think that probably gave him a lot of goodwill. 18 wins I think on tour. And like, you're just years of being in the PGA tour

commercials and like every well now that I'm thinking about to there's like there's some kind of controversial. So later. Of course stuff which everyone's got a DJ story and you know, he's got a famous fiance and all that so but the question somebody threw in which is a pretty unanimous when I folded it out earlier those whose career would you rather have to date, Keppka, with two majors or DJ with one? DJ.

For sure. DJ. I think it's pretty easy. Yeah, I think. Yeah, DJ. I think it'd be more interesting if it was one major to zero. Like if you were a non-major winner at all and you had a bunch of PGA Tour wins, would you trade for one major? But I thought at least, at least, little thought goes into that one.

Like, who's where would you rather have Martin Kimer or Brooks? I'd say Brooks. Gosh, I would say Kimer. Right, it's gotta be Kimer, I would think. You might be right, that's a short quick answer. Yeah, I don't know what the difference, what's the difference? A player's championship, basically.

Players and a world number one. Yeah, that's pretty close. What about Brooks or Ricky? Please go ahead. The excitement in Randy's eyes as he asked that. What a day for Tommy Ladd. Oh god. I was not going to be able to contain myself much longer. It was kind of like the the Alonzo Morning Giff of like shaking our heads in the at the setup today, but then you saw Tommy making the run and potentially going to win the US Open. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, this might be kind of cool. It was exciting. It was a lot of fun. I know it was, I mean, it was easier setup today, but the scores didn't end up being that low. And his round was far and away the best round of the day and the best round of the week and tied the best round ever in the US open. And he had a great look.

The shoot's 62 and it just was one shot too little. He really had two or three great looks there at the down the stretch. Yeah, inevitably though, it's going to even out some. I mean, he made a lot of puts today. I don't think it's that ridiculous at all to think think that he would not make any of those final final three putts I do get it I mean it's kind of all that momentum that you thought he was going to add one more with those looks and especially there on 18 after that shot He hit an 18.

My gosh the way he hits his irons. It's amazing. I mean it's like for gazmecta watch. It's aspirational so shout the fle Fleetwood in Fino for that run. That was awesome. And the solo second finish, that's going to be a, that's 1.2 million or something like that for second place at the US Open.

I mean, hopefully it was him in Germany this week. Yeah, yeah. I'm excited. He's starting to poke around too. It seems like he's going to break through. That's in a major sooner than a later. In four last year and solo second. Caronneus, he could be the spot.

Yeah. If Lee Schoes wasn't gonna win that one, I would agree. We touched on Reed though. I mean, that was, that was, I first of all kind of forgot he was in the tournament going today. Didn't even realize he was three back, starting off the day.

Five birdies early. That was a very, very real charge from Reed. I mean, is it, is it safe to say he's got his ears pinned back now and is just gonna make charges at these majors at a pretty kind of ridiculous rate? I don't know how he's gonna win, but he's gonna be in a lot of these, right? It certainly seems like it. I mean, he just, it's same kind of thing. He just did everything. Did everything well today? I mean, he was just Striping it. God, I know his first five holes was as long as birdie putt was like 12 feet or something like that. I mean, he was just

Striping the ball. We knew with the easy pin locations, we knew there wasn't gonna be anything jammed up, you know, back right? So, no, it was cool to watch. I mean, I obviously had personal rooting interests, but yeah, it was pretty cool to say. He was, as far as I can tell, it was the only guy in the field

to improve each of the four rounds. 73, 72, 71, 68. Woo. Wow. This is pretty remarkable to be that consistent with how much the conditions and the set of fluctuated. Fleetwood was ping ponging back and forth. The closest two rounds of Fleetwood had back to back were nine shots between this first and second round. You went nine shots better, 12 shots worse, 15 shots better in the final round. That's just special.

Riding out the top five, Tony Fienault, that was a tough double to watch there on 18 knowing how much. He's expensive. Yeah, a lot of money on the line there and a lot of rider cut points there. And he's sniffing around that bottom eight of that list and that would have been enormous. Have you got to finish staying tied with DJ at third? Props to him too. For it kind of seemed like he was him and burger

were going to get the early drop from coverage treatment after kind of a rough start. They did get dropped. They did get dropped. Yeah, but they battled back. That was cool to see. Yeah. I like phenom.

I hope he be cool to see him. I always feel like he, this might be a stupid take, but I always feel like he's in contention without being like a huge threat to win a lot, if that makes sense. Is that a culture? It's a culture-esque. But I'd like to see him actually kind of,

you know, be an actual threat coming down and just kind of see how he handled it. Well, I know that he obviously played a different golf course Saturday morning than the guys played Saturday afternoon, but they were also a, he and burger both did, but there were also a lot of other guys on the golf course that morning that didn't go out and she'd be 300 and so that they're I mean they obviously got the perfect spot on the draw I think and we're able to take advantage of it to get in the in the tournament, but I mean props to

it's a four day tournament and they finished he and burger both finished in the top six so they definitely know where the performance is. Folks it was another monster week for our friends at Odyssey Golf. Tron here just to tell you about them winning their sixth straight major championship putter count for the year. That's right there have been more Odyssey putters in play than any other brand at all six PGA, LPGA, and Champions Tour majors in 2018. And it wasn't even close. The best in the world choose Odyssey. That's why I have the new Odyssey XO Indy in my bag. That's why I chose you to do the Adry this week. Yeah. It's revolutionized my game, my linemen's better. The insert in there is just like, it's like cheating. You're quick raking game isn't it?

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Back to the pod. We're going to talk about the old lefty. Please. Happily. I'm not sure if there's beenate this weekend on one uh... what happened we're talking about c-flash correct yeah nice addition to the project by play so

well prepared uh... i think we should lead it off with probably our favorite take uh... this week can you uh... you want to break down with our boy uh... john hopkins what he had to say oh i, I think I think John Hopkins of a global golf post formerly of the times of London and a couple other distinguished London Journalistic entities The you John Hopkins the you Yeah They named the college after after this take. He yeah, he was sitting on

Fox this morning and just take. Yeah he was sitting on Fox this morning and just let Phil have it. I mean, I think he's an ass. And Britain would call him an ass, a silly ass. Chump. Yeah. And then Corrigan chimed in with utter dick. Yeah. that was kind of in response then to Michelson's today was 13. Yeah, that was funny to watch but also kind of tough to watch what Phil did today. But all right, I thought but To be fair, I actually like I thought Hopkins if you're gonna have that take I thought he explained it well I think I would love to see him on more broadcast. Yeah, that was good awesome. That was good. Randy, being the resident fill fan here, let's take a walk us through from the beginning. I know we covered some of this on our live show and whatnot,

but for those that may not have tuned in, let's cover this from beginning to end. What you thought when you initially saw what filled in the 13th hole, how it was handled, and how the ruling was handled, and all of that. It was obviously just totally surreal. I guess that would be my first initial impression of it. I'll recycle my life shit takes.

I don't really think it's changed. You know, where I kind of shake out is what he did was, and kind of verbatim. It was soft morick, it was petulant, it was immature, the optics of it were terrible. But at the end of it were terrible. But at the end of the day, it's up to the USGA whether to assess the penalty of disqualification or the two-stroke penalty, and they made their ruling.

And so, at that point, it's like, okay, it's done. That's time for everybody to move on. I don't think that absolves Mickles and it all of like, it was still all of those things I just said. Like it wasn't a good look, but I don't know. People say like cheat it. I don't think that's the right word. That doesn't feel right to me.

I don't think he... Because your old distinction was, he took his medicine, he took the penalty. Yeah, to me like cheating is like trying to subvert the rules to your own gain like without punishment. I think he was perfectly aware of the punishment and knew he was going to get punished for it and that, that was his choice. I think one of the best examples is kind of, you know, American football, the wide receiver breaks free down the sideline and the DB tackles them. And it's like, that's passing her appearance. Like, I know I'm going to get flagged for

tackling this guy, but I'd rather do that than give up, you know, the touchdown. I think that some of that calculus was probably going on in Michelson's mind where it's like, yeah, this is going to be the penalty. I accept that. And that's that. So I don't know, I'm hesitant to kind of weave in my tiger from Augusta in 2013, but to me that was a more clear example of I know he wasn't intentionally trying to take a bad drop, but the simple fact of it is that he did take a bad drop. and to me that was a subversion of the rules to his gain without punishment now tiger got the money well well penalized

but he got penalized for hitting the ball in the water he then took a bad drop and would not have been penalized punished for it had he not incriminate incriminated himself in the in the post-round interview yeah and so obviously he was indeed good and that was a whole nother can and incriminated himself in the post-round interview. Yeah. And so obviously he wasn'titude, and that was a whole other can of worms. He wasn't red as Miranda writes before that either. But to me, that was a more just in the spirit of the game,

purely kind of taking away the optics of it and the silliness of it. That's probably more of an egregious air than what Mikkelson did. But I don't know. I think for me, you know, he did what he did, that's one thing, but then to spin it the way that he did after the fact. That was the worst part.

That was the chicken shit part to me. And then, you know, and it's like, I think that's what more people are almost upset about is like, oh yeah, I've been thinking about doing this for years and like. Because the math doesn't add up, like the smart move in that case would have been to go let your ball roll all the way down, pick it up and go take it unplayable and drop where you just put it from, which would essentially be a two shot penalty. You'd be playing, he was putting it for double, he would have been putting it for eight from there, rather than hitting the ball while it's moving and taking a two shot penalty.

Well that's where it comes back to, like know, like, like I said, I'm a lobster last night, like, he was, he was trying to send a message, but he wasn't, I don't think he, I don't think he truly signed his name on the letter of the message. You know, like, I think he showed it just, if you're gonna try to send a message like that, you need to follow it through. I think DJ, your, your stance is a little bit different on all this. My stance, I think my stance has changed again since we started talking about here. Randy kind of won me over with the past interference thing. I think that's actually kind of a good way to think about it.

My take on this, and I've been kind of rationalizing it or coming to terms with the fact that I think it might be a bit of a golf anarchist in that I think that when like I'm most, I most enjoy golf when things are just in utter chaos and just chaos rules basically. And that is why I think my take is like, yeah, that was like pretty disgusting and like childish and all of that stuff, but like I don't care. Like I don't give a shit. Like what happens? I don't like I don't want to argue that he that he should be put in jail

and I don't want to argue that he was totally fine. Like I just I think it's I think everybody else arguing is the best. Like so more of that please is my take. But yeah, I'm with you, Tron. I mean i think that if he was trying to send a message i think it would well and one had a would be better to actually signed his name to the message like he said on the other hand i think it's another example of kind of like the beautiful uh...

performance art that is fill which is hey i'm kind of in control of this circus and i can i can almost do anything i want and i think he's just i think he's trying to just push that as far as he Hey, I'm kind of in control of this circus and I can almost do anything I want. And I think he's just, I think he's trying to just push that as far as he possibly can. There was a quote today, lavender tweeted a quote today that was like, it was him, one of the few things he said walking off the golf course today was like, you know, I think the only question is, what will I do next?

And it's like, to you, you might need, you might need to seek help. These might be calls for, you might be calls for help that you're just you're drunk with power They like the obviously we weren't around for this area, which I love Let me just say the comparison that I always hear people make whenever somebody's like pass their primer and Not showing well of themselves is like willy-may's when you played for the meds like fumbling around the outfield That's what I felt like I was watching when he quick-wracked that or when he ran hit those, kind of. What are you doing, man?

I'm on. Yeah, I think that's the beauty of it, though. Like I think there were a couple people who were like, oh, what, he's lost his mind. What a confused old man. I'm like, no, he's not. Like he just, he has nothing to lose. And he's filled for me.

He's 40 shots off the lead. Like it doesn't affect anybody really. Is this Phil's version of like Tigers kill house Maybe it's just kind of like bored and he's like, you know, I just need to feel alive Yeah, yeah, maybe I think the people that were taking it all the way to the max of think about the children And he's just grace the game and I mean That was that was the kind of the take apocalypse well when people started invoking mr You know mr. Hogan mr. Nicholas mr Palmer, Mr. Bob Jones, you know,

that's, oh gosh, that, that's, that's a little much for me. But I do want to clear up a couple things. You know, I, I do like Mikkelson, obviously, I, I root for him. I, I want to believe I would kind of have the same reaction no matter who it was. Uh, that did it. And, you know, I also would have been kind of totally cool if the USGA said, hey, listen, that was very egregious. We're disqualifying you.

Like, yeah, okay, I can see that too. Like, you know, so I don't want it to be like I'm purely being an apologist here. No, we did the Bubba test earlier. It's like if Bubba would have done this, what would our reaction affect? If Bubba would have done this, we would have lost our minds. We did lose our minds.

Like even, it would have been like, people would have known. The Long Island people would have put them on that giant catapult from the Simpsons and threw them out into the sound. I mean, they would have strung them up from this. Yeah, it would have been awful. Well, and I do think like,

you know, something like this is just a ripe opportunity for people who have long had issues with a lot of stuff. Mikkelson has done. It's kind of a green light just to air him out under the auspices of, yes, of this incident. And certainly maybe there's something to it. But I think for some people, it's years of kind of resentment and frustration with him for a variety of things. You know what it reminds me of?

Compouring out. I think a lot of sports comparisons, a music comparison. I think when the Beatles were kind of at their absolute peak, they wrote the song Hello Goodbye, just to prove that they could make a number one hit by doing like the least amount of work that they possibly could, and it was. And that's how I feel about this, is that he's just gotten to this point where he's like, guys, I'm like, you can get mad, but I don't care, I'm kind of untouchable.

So the whole, I guess, the question is, well the question is late stage capital in the question now He might be too big a fail the question now is like is a lot to the is he untouchable and you know a lot of people and and this is such a stupid ass like Self-serious way to talk about this but like is this gonna damage his legacy? It's like to use that a president like who cares? But yeah, but what's a fun? You prison for inside right? Yeah exactly It's but I don't knowals for Instagram. But you're in for Instagram. Yeah, exactly. But I don't know, like, what do you think?

Are people gonna think about them differently now? Well, I'm sure some people will, and that's their prerogative, but it's like. It's more in line, but you're saying that if you are not a Phil fan, this exacerbates it. And if you are a Phil fan, you kinda like, well, add this to the hit list, like the tape, the mix tape. But even then, if it changes certain people's opinions of who gives it shit, it just adds

to the texture and the menagerie that it is, full michael sent. I feel bad for your country, but this is tremendous content. It's tremendous content. Shout out to Darren Reffel. No, when it all happened, like, look at that was one of the most exciting moments of the weekend. So from Mars, we're where we're sitting, like that was good entertainment. We're talking about this being an entertainment event. Well, that's, yeah, that's the last thing I was gonna kind of point out is, you know,

certainly this incident and I think larger extent, guys like Patrick Reed and even Bubba and Polter. It's like as a fan, as somebody who enjoys just watching golf, like these people in these acts are very welcome to your point, DJ. It's, you know, it's anarchy, but it's just entertaining. It makes everything entertaining. If everybody acted the same way and we're robots

and it just would be boring, it would be such a... You need villains, you need... Yeah, so it's texture. So from a performance art entertainment standpoint What I could kind of see I could have seen him doing a couple things differently and number one I could have seen him I think if he would have come out and and been like Mr. Contrition and Woken up Sunday morning and be like guys, you know, I did some I did some internal reflection last night

I really I really thought about it and I just want to say it's not the right thing for me to do to continue to play in this championship, which I respect so much. And if he would have WD'd, he would have been a fucking full-carrow. That would have been... Richard Dixson. Yes, it's a whole family all within the state. Like that would have been as good as it gets. And I'm frankly a little disappointed

that he didn't get on that road. If anyone, but anyone that may think we're letting fill off the hook too much, I think we all agree. Like, he should not. It was very, very shitty. It was a very shitty thing to do. Like, yeah, don't excuse it.

Yeah, I mean, all things being equal, yeah, don't do it. For sure. And he's for sure regrets it. I had an act like he did. 100% going to do that now in matches with you guys because it doesn't matter, like who cares. What about the kids DJ? They should do it too, I think it's hilarious.

All right, since we're talking about performance art, can we just go ahead and talk? Because I think the USGA is bordering on performance art too. I'm ready to go. That was going to be the next topic. A lot to say, lots to cover here. Where do you want to start? I think Tron you're ready to roll here. Yeah, I just like pick a strategy, pick a way to roll and roll with it. Like, don't, you know, I think they threw the baby out with the bathwater after yesterday

and after Saturday, if you're listening to some Monday and it's... Right before Father's Day. It's bad, paranoid. If you're listening to something Monday and it's right before for others to Yeah, it's like guys like you could have said all right. Oh, yeah, we had one or two you know flagrant pens We had one or two borderline pens the greens got a little fast because we didn't anticipate the wind Which by the way the meteorologist totally shit their pants Quickly be forgetful cut forgotten but instead it was you know, it was like oh man just totally shit their pants. It's not great. Uh-huh. Quickly before going to the cut for gotten. But instead it was, you know, it was like, oh man we're so sorry, like, you know, and

totally neuters the entire intent of the tournament, you know, and especially going into it, their whole stated intent was like, yeah, we're not fucking this one up guys. Sure enough. I didn't think it got too messed up. I thought it was... I thought it got more messed up today than it got yesterday, because they played a totally different style of golf course today.

Like there were guys hitting long irons from downwind, stopping them on the greens that wouldn't have had a prayer of stopping with a wedge yesterday. I think that's fine between two days though. If that happens in this, like, two different courses on the same day, like all the players had to say, play the same golf course today.

I thought Saturday, the guys that played in the morning played a different golf course than they played in the afternoon. That's a worse fuck up than just between the two days, Saturday to Sunday. And I think the, you know, my other thing is the pins, the pins being, being center of the green on half the holes today, especially the ones down the stretch,

just kind of neutered the suspense there at the end. I agree. Yeah, I agree with you guys. I mean, I think that I would like to talk to, and I'm sure there are a ton of people listening to this that weren't on Twitter the whole time, listening to people argue about it, but I would be curious of what the non Twitter non echo chamber

Viewer felt about about watching the golf course and how out of control they thought it was or or what they what they really thought because I think that That obviously, you know, this was a good example of kind of what happens when everybody gets each other I'll worked up into a lather and then players start weighing in and then they change people's minds. It ends up being just this giant kerfuffle about who's right and who's wrong and who's the villain and who's the good guy and all the stuff. You're never going to have a good smart conversation about this stuff. I don't know. I thought I agree with you.

I think I actually really liked how the course played on Sunday outside of the pain location. I mean, I think I thought that the speed was good. I thought things were rolling out in the right ways. I thought bad shots, not all bad shots, we're getting totally penalized way the bit. It's a little too soft, but I think they had to air on that side. Yeah, but I do think that Sali had a good point

on the live show too, which is, you know, it just proves how fine the line is of what the USJ is able to do. And how close you're able to push it before you lose it. And as soon as you take your foot off the gas, you know, it just, it comes all the way back. Like it's just so, so, so hard to do. We'll go back to JED's tweet. Yeah. Should we slowly work in our tweets of the week? You're out. Randy wants to start with tweets of's tweet. Yeah. Should we slowly work in our tweets of the week?

You're out. Randy wants to start with tweets of the week. Yeah. Speaking of being off Twitter and out of the echo chamber. Great segue. So TBC, JAB. Mr. Ramel. Mr. Ramel, sorry.

I got to quickly unlock my computer. So his tweet was, I quote, sneaky brilliant move by the USGA, annual botching of US Open is an excellent diversion tactic designed to hide its inability to regulate the ball and equipment. I'm already looking forward to next year's disaster. And I think this, I think it's true, you know, I think that's that's kind of the crux of the argument and the discussion is we're going to have this every year, the course set up, just because it is such an impossible kind of middle ground

to find where it's like just on the edge of fair and still like holding to their idea of like, you know, 280 as a winning score. But I think, Tron, to your initial point about the USGA kind of being spineless and just reactionary, it's... Because it totally undermines everything that they set up to do Friday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday with how much they over corrected. I think, like, like, Sali and Randy, I think you said earlier in the live show,

we, you know, they didn't have to do both soft softening greens slow them down and put the foot the flags in the middle. Yeah it should be not either or you didn't even need to pull up I pulled up the pinchy this morning without even I don't have definitely not the green shapes memorized. I pulled it up and was like wow that is a lot of center of the green pen positions. It was pretty, I was anxious to see where they're going to put them today, but it was very clear. I was like, all right, we're going to just put these kind of in, I'm just, Justin Rose

didn't have a great day with where these pens are located today. But, yeah, they panicked in two ways. They should have either softened the greens and kept the pins the way that they had them really Saturday, or, you know, not softened the greens and kept the pins the way that they had them really Saturday or, you know, not softened the greens and put the pins in the middle of the green. I do think things get treated a bit like again, it just I think it goes back to the echo chamber stuff. I think people a lot of times like they decide that they don't want to like something and

then they just kind of look for all the reasons to not like it. And I do think that there were there were still bad shots that were being penalized and so still good shots that were being rewarded today. Like I again, like I kind of like it. And I do think that there were still bad shots that were being penalized and still good shots that were being rewarded today. Like, again, I kind of liked it. I just didn't, the pins to your point trying to like down the stretch, there just, there wasn't a whole lot of chances for, it was just a lot of par golf. It felt like to make bogies or doubles or worse. But I mean, I do think it was important that, you know, four guys that came in tied for the lead, only one of them shot under par and it was

Brooks shooting 68. So it's not like these guys went crazy, crazy, crazy low outside of Fleetwood, but I don't know. It's just it's a weird balance. I was looking it up. So the first round, four people shot under par, second round, 14, third round, three people, obviously, you know, two of them were burger and phenoun, then today there were 15 people under par. So not a crazy outlier. I mean, it just seems off for Sunday at the US open. Yeah, it was a reaction to what happened Saturday, which was, which is understood. I think they were, they were very well justified on the width of the fairways of the, the off the

tee, the course played fantastic. And it was, it was clear. It was like, all right, we'll let you out here. You want to kind of be in the right side of the fairways. Other than the off the tee, the course played fantastic and it was clear, it was like, all right, we'll let you out here. You want to kind of be in the right side of these fairways, we're gonna let you get off the tee. If you miss these fairways, you're gonna be punished severely. And on your second shot, you still have to hit

these small target greens and try to get it. These pins is not gonna be easy where we're gonna put them. I thought, from tee to green, I thought the course played great. I thought Saturday afternoon, the greens just rolled out too far. The surfaces did not roll true and guys like in the DJ wave couldn't hit putts with enough force behind them to actually be trying to make them. They were lagging 12 footers.

And that's where I think the championship gets a little out of whack and it stops becoming a talent contest. I thought today while it was a bit easier, was more enjoyable to watch guys have the ability to make 12 footputs. I just think that makes for a better championship than what we saw Saturday. Yeah. Yes.

I agree. I think I think I can actually agree with you. Right. And then I was going to say, which did you have more fun? I have more fun Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's like.

It's the one we can do. We get that. It's such a paradox. I guess. It's more fun. I don more fun Saturday. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's like. It's the one week in here we get that. It's such a paradox, I guess. More fun Saturday. Like we're going to watch travelers this week. And it's going to be a great tournament and all that. But like, you know, like this week shouldn't have been more, like, you shouldn't have been more akin to your regular, you know, hey, let's see some birdies down the stretch, PGA tour.

I just think it's more entertaining Saturday, but I'd rather see a championship get decided the way it was today than the way it would have been Saturday If that had got out of hand like a pheno and burger would have posted there morning 66 is never one would have fallen back and And lost because the greens got baked out in the afternoon I don't think that would have been the best way to decide a championship unless it was Fleetwood. Yeah I just yeah, and I just want to say we're going to have this same discussion every year. I'm pumped to see how they've met. Well, what do you think they're going to do with Pebble next year? Well, you

kind of the question was asked was like, can you screw up Pebble up? I think absolutely. I think Pebble's already screwed up. But there's a very easy quote unquote, easy stretch at Pebble Beaves, that front nine between like four and or really between like three and eight the pros eat that stretch up. Well, it's be they'll probably make that part four Alright, this part really matters There's that stretch that is very like pros, you know Usually make a run at 29 on that side whenever they're during the AT&T every year like they're gonna They're gonna do something with that stretch

to make it not nearly as get-able. What is that, we'll see. But yeah, I don't know. We'll see. We'll come back in the next year. It should be interesting to see. I do think that, you know, obviously the RNA has a little bit more weather to kind of fall back on.

The PGA tour doesn't like the only other time they've really run the risk of going over the line was Trinity Forest this year, which they totally, you know, aired on the side of like neo conservatism. And then, and then, and then you've got, you know, players 2016. And it's like, I feel like since the USGA, I don't know if it's the right thing, but the fact that they're kind of tasked with staging the most, you know,

the strongest, the ultimate, the ultimate. Yeah, it's like, you know, I feel like they're the ones that are getting back into this corner, a, that by themselves with that mission statement and with the ball and the clubs in general, but also just like, the PGA tournament can give a shit, they want to live under par. So, they're the only ones, that's why we're only having this discussion once a year instead of half the weeks.

Right. Yeah. I do think that a lot of people roll their eyes at player complaints, but KVV had a good kind of Twitter thread about like, no, the players don't do this at any other organization in any way engulfed the way they react to USDA, the way they're so fearless and criticizing. Well, and that's where I think I'm kind of getting at with like the echo chambers. Like now, you know, there are a lot of times it kind of feels like you're you're just firing bullets into a corpse at some point

You know like I think a lot of these guys are like, you know Oh, it's kind of cool to rip on the usga and just so if there's any chance to do it. Let's do it And I don't know I certainly I'd mentioned on the live show I think Randy and I were talking about this off air, but I have it's a very half baked take that I can't seem to get across the finish line but there were a lot of players that were complaining on Twitter and a lot of players that weren't even in the field that were complaining on Twitter about the setup and all the usg ruined another one and they can they can screw anything up and this is a disaster I'm not even gonna watch and blah blah blah take our game back take let's, we need to take our game back

from these amateur hacks. And A, there's something different between, you know, criticizing the setup and critiquing the setup. And I think a lot of players like, you know, I think JT had like smart things to say about, you know, pin locations. And those all seemed pretty. Patrick Reed had a good,

Patrick Reed had a good thing to say about, yeah, hey, you know, a couple pins were pretty tough, but the rest was pretty fair. And everybody else, you know, who's watching on their couch is lighting these courses on fire. And I'm kind of, I don't know what the take is, but I'm kind of thinking like a lot of you guys that are complaining about this are,

you play the kind of golf that makes me not want to watch golf. And you play the kind of, the golf that makes me fall asleep a lot is, is you guys shooting, you know, 18 under on a course that I, you know, don't really care to watch. And this week felt way different than that for better or worse. So, I don't know from, from an entertainment standpoint, if we want to go back to that conversation, I thought, both Saturday and Sunday and Sunday were really interesting and cool. Thought Thursday was awesome. But I don't know where you draw the line

as far as catering to the players. Because I don't know if they're really the ones that you should be listening to. And Randy had to listen to all this too. Yeah, and I think they obviously have an interest in not looking foolish as well. You know what I'm saying? So Randy, I think you kind of mentioned that on the live show as well as you kind of can't have it both ways. Yeah, and I think I'm with you. It's like I've got this idea and it's like 60-70% of the way there.

But I think it comes down to something like, you know, at first blush, I think it comes down to something like, you know, at first blush, if it's between like the PGA tour and all these tour players versus the USGA, I think at first blush, it's like, yeah, oh, screw the USGA. I'm with the tour players, you know, and then you start to think about a little bit more or at least I do. And it's like, well, wait a second. Like outside of really like tiger and fill and maybe a handful of other guys. It's like what organization, which entity really does or could have more effect and direct impact on my enjoyment with the game of golf?

And I think it's probably the USGA. And so that's where I come back to. It's like, you know, I think some of these tour players, I won't name names like Dirtmaker and Wes Bryan and you know, Keegan Bradley. It's like, it's like, it's like, you know, you guys wanna start this fight. I don't know, I'm not gonna be on your side.

I think the USGA has the potential to much more influence and impact my personal enjoyment with the game of golf. And that's far outside of watching these guys play like Houston and San Antonio. I think that's kind of we're on the same wavelength there, but I haven't really, it's not all the way there. I got to think it through some more. Yeah.

I think we can hopefully all agree that the, seem like at least in the Twitter echo chamber that the extremes came out way too quickly. I didn't know that. I was hard on the set up Saturday. I thought it was a bit, just like I said about the Greens, but it was not, they didn't lose the golf course. It was not a travesty.

It was nothing like O4. And the reaction was so strong. It was just like got I mean let's have some perspective on this I mean it was a tough day out there you know I'm gonna stop you right there it's I can't believe you're gonna you're gonna just undercut Zach Johnson's assertion it's gone it's gone it's surpassed that it was on the edge but we've surpassed that there's nothing left a lot a lot of good people in this community.

The PGA tours are community. The way people were presenting it like Fimo was out there like assessing the damage and trying to give people some drinking water out there. Will you rebuild? It's like, well, yeah. I mean, we'll try. What other choice do we have? This is what happens when you build under a par. You're subject to this storm surge and the flood wall. Well, so I think this is a good point for me to roll out my tweet of the week, which came from Shane Ryan, who said, would it be so friggin hard for the USGA to design just one course where you hit it into this sort of giant bowl

18 times of the ball funnels into the hole, and then dancers come out, and the whole gallery starts chaining, class act over and over, so we could have a true test. And I think that probably, we could have saved the last 15 minutes. I think that kind of sums up what I've been trying to say.

Yeah, pray for South Heptin. I can't believe they lost their golf course. No, I think it's just, I don't think it was, they overreacted a bit today, but definitely not to air in hills, levels or anything like that and just thought everyone was just way too eager to just jump all over.

Yeah, and that's what I don't wanna happen, don't want to happen is where it becomes like this cool thing to just shit all over the USGA for no reason. And of course set up, I think for a little equipment, it's all justified. Yeah, and even some of the core set up is justified too, but wait until it's justified or wait until, I mean, just, yeah, have perspective. It's hard on tango those things.

I think that's why it's kind of come back to it. It's like those issues are so intertwined, near impossible. Okay, I'm ready to move on from USGA if you guys are, and I think we need, it's pretty deep in this. We gotta talk about Fox. Yeah, well, sorry, last thing real quick. I think in the spirit of the USGA if you guys are and I think we need, it's pretty deep in this. We gotta talk about Fox. Yeah, well, sorry, last thing real quick. I think in the spirit of the USGA, I'd like to see, you know, just been doing

a bit of reading over the weekend here. I'd like to see one of the players maybe try to pull a CB McDonald, which I think could be a good fill thing to do. I can say I can think of one guy who might have been. CB McDonald for those that don't know, I think in 1894 before the USA started, they were trying to organize American golf a little bit and decided to host

two national championships, quote unquote. And the first one was, the first one was that I think Newport Country Club and it was Stroke Play and he finished second and he loud, quote loudly disputed the results claiming that it was bullshit to have a, I'm not quoting here, claiming that it was bullshit to have a road running through the course. No, stone wall, I think. Stone wall, yeah, sorry. So they, he protested loud enough that they threw out the results.

He also thought it was bullshit to decide by stroke play. So they had, a next one was match play. It was like a month later. He finished second, loudly disputed that as well, saying it's bullshit that, you know, one course should be allowed to decide who the national champion is. So after all of this, and the USDA just rolled out something, apparently there's some new research

that some other people remember this differently, but this is the story that's been going around for like 100 years, is the heads of the five families, the five original golf courses of the USGA that you know everybody kept mentioning, they all got together to talk about these national championships. And the USGA was founded. CB McDonald's was the first vice president or something I believe. And then they hosted a real US ambassador. He rolled that.

He rolled that. He won 12 and 11. So you do the math. I think it's time to maybe give a rebirth to the USGA, headed by Phil Mickelson, where he says, guys, it's gone too far. We need to all get together. This is bullshit throughout the results. Let's really decide.

Maybe another task force. Similar to when he rolled the bus over Tom Watson and they revamped the whole Ryder Cup process, I think there's kind of two precedents for this. Maybe another task force similar to when he rolled the bus over Tom Watson and they revamped the whole writer cup process I think there's kind of two precedents for this sounds like he could get UCF on board to absolutely Yeah, no doubt exact. I think you blow all of it up and he just kind of start over Yeah, the USGA. I think now needs to become the USAGA the US American Gulf Association Not my Gulf Association on the film though I know we we said we were gonna go outside this house for the tweet of the week,

or their favorite tweet, but mine might have been DJ Pies when had the little image of Phil from the Ryder Cup, or the President's Cup, when they got a two-hole penalty on one hole and Phil said, I spotted your best team two shots and we still beat them. We're two holes and we still beat them. When you did that for beef, the comparison to beef, after is the buckle. Too many people are gonna forget that Phil made a 10

and had this whole giant cluster fog, and he still beat beef. That's for our friends, for our video. And Ricky. Sure. All right, let's move on to the broadcast. We were pretty effusive in our praise for Fox going into it First off, I'll throw it out. What did you guys think of coverage Thursday and Friday?

I thought Thursday and Friday were an absolute disgrace No, I'm being dead serious to like it was like They were totally rudderless and actually I Take that back they had they had no rudder and actually I take that back. They had no rudder whatsoever because they didn't need one because they were just going straight ahead with the features.

It was almost like on autopilot. They were stuck on autopilot. Yeah, like they weren't covering a golf tournament. It was a pseudo-popularity contest with these featured groups. I think that was true for when Tiger was on the course, right? For when the Friday afternoon and I'm sorry, Thursday afternoon and Friday morning were the worst parts.

When they started on FS1, Thursday morning, they were good. I thought it was good. Like they were bouncing around a decent amount and then they got so locked. Maybe I'm taking an opposite. When it was a speed group that was on a speed and fill their group that was on the course, they locked in on them despite the fact

that they were a million over par. Yeah, I mean, I just, like, why have, A, why have featured groups online and on other channels when you can't, you know, when you're watching that anyway on the broadcast. And then B, it just, you know, even, even when they, they did show other players, they were showing almost exclusively pots from guys that weren't in the featured groups. And there just wasn't a whole lot of variety of players. And then some of the, you know, like you bring Bill Hammer on from Fox Business for an interview.

That was a mess, I felt. They had some hits with interviews, I will say. Bill Hammer's interview was sweet. Basically, I think he was under the guys at Shinnokok was a public course that everyone should go play. That's kind of his whole vibe of what he was saying. It was very, very Fox News-y angle. You guys worked harder, you'd be able to play here.

I thought they rebounded well. I thought Saturday was, you know, I thought as soon as they started covering the actual tournament and the drama of the tournament, I thought they did a good job on Saturday and Sunday. I especially enjoyed this morning. Sunday morning was with Hans, facts, and baking. I thought it was, I learned more in the first two hours of coverage this morning that I have watching any coverage in probably this year.

I don't know how every broadcast doesn't have like an architect on. Like, Hans was so good at, I don't wanna say dumbing it down for viewers, but like just telling viewers what they needed to know about it. He didn't hurt out too hard, but explain like why this over Dan, how that works and what that means and why this is relevant to the championship, why the fairways are wide, why they have these shaved down areas.

He just brought all of those to the screen that I feel like is missing from a lot of places. Well, I think that's our biggest complaint about CBS, right? Is that they don't take the time to basically set the table for three weeks down the road. I think doing that architecture stuff, that teaches you something, and then you remember that for the next broadcast, and then you're a smarter viewer down the road. And it takes that little bit of investment to actually do that to make people theoretically

to make them more engaged and smarter. So I don't know. I, the only thing I'd take issue with, and I'm not a professional TV producer like, like, Toronto's, but I think that, you know, it is, it's easy to remember, or easy to forget that, you know, we're, we're a pretty vocal minority

of golf fans probably. Yeah, and I think that, it's not even 80-20. Yeah, it might be, it might be, yeah, 90-10 or whatever, but I think there's probably 10 to 20% of the people watching are feeling that same way. Like, hey, show me more of this guy. Why aren't you showing Grimmer?

Why aren't you doing this? Show me, tell me who's in the field, whereas I think the 80% are, oh shit, Tigers playing. What's Tiger doing?, what's Tigers doing, or what's Phil doing, or I'm tuning in for one of my three or four broadcasts a year, what's this person doing? And I just, I don't know, it's so hard,

it's such a hard balance, I don't know how to do that or what the answer is, but. My issue with it was that it didn't feel like I was watching a major championship the first couple days. And I know it's Thursday, Friday, and I felt like they did a great job of flipping the switch and I felt like what I was watching this weekend was important, but it felt like a normal PGA tour event

on Thursday and Friday, just because. It's like a glorified PGA tour live stream. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I thought. And yeah, this is a major, this is supposed to feel really important. Yeah, you can tell the story of the big names and work them into it very easily without showing them walking in between shots and showing them walk a distance after the shot

That's we're standing around yeah, when there's 10 guys left on the course on Saturday and Sunday afternoon There's plenty of time for that when there's 80 guys on the course I thought that they kind of lost that a little bit. I think that's part of the thing and you know DJ I've been doing this a long time But you know obviously everyone's a cat everyone's's a CDJ, I don't know where are those guys, but I don't think- Hammer. Yeah.

Showing, I don't think showing those guys is, you know, all pretty much all their shots is mutually exclusive with. No, I agree. Yeah, I'm with you. I could have moved around. And I thought Buck talked about that a lot on the podcast last week, which I was kind of amplored, which was, you know, this idea that on Saturday, Sunday, it's cool to see the body language stuff and it's cool to see them between shots and it's cool to see them,

you know, how do they read puts and what are they talking about with the caddy and all that stuff, whereas Thursday, Friday, I agree with you guys. It's kind of, you know, just shows many golf shots as you can and move around and jump. The tournament hasn't shrunk itself yet and there's still, you know, like, hey, we want to watch it shake out. They'll just treat it like it's this exhibition with these two groups. Yeah. I'm with you. I agree.

I think once they flip the switch over to the weekend, the Phil stuff kicked off really their weekend. I thought they handled it really well. Having David Fey on one was fantastic. So the guy that tweeted though, that he was like the guy that was testifying after getting immunity with pretty fat. That was fantastic.

But I mean, that was important. And a buck did a really good job actually, like pushing some of the USDA guys on the ruling and kind of a lot of the things that were going on on the ruling and the setup. And I thought, I don't know, they did a great job of telling the story of the golf course and showing where it was getting out of control, potentially showing some of the tough pins and why guys were complaining. I thought they told that story really well. Yeah, and I thought, I mean, Curtis Strange,

that was like the Frost Nixon interview of the Phil just basically incriminating himself with this whole rule-breaking thing. I thought that was cool that he, you know, I forget what he said, something like, it's a simple question, you know, what happened on 13 or what'd you do? But yeah, I thought he pressed him pretty good, which was interesting and kind of awkward,

which was, you know, delightful. I mean, you were, you were pretty fired up on Thursday Friday and never seen fired up about coverage. Yeah, for, for the reasons you guys mentioned, I just thought it's, they got to be able to get from that group to other places on the golf course. Just cut to it and then come back if need be. They were just spending way too much time on those feature groups. I think everything changed after the audio difficulties late Friday afternoon,

where without any audio, they were maybe almost forced to then show more shots. And then from that point on, I agree the weekend was much better. I was just going to add two things too that really haven't been mentioned yet. I think one, the limited commercial interruption was awesome. Yeah. It showed up. Yeah, there was a big flow. Rolex. I think they're standing all the way to the telecast. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you could, there were long, long stretches of golf, which was great. And then the second thing I think a strength of Fox was almost a weakness. You know, you could, there were long, long stretches of golf, which was great. And then the second thing, I think, a strength of Fox was almost a weakness, you know, whether you like the microphone cup or not, I do think it has the ability to pick up very interesting

audio. But unfortunately, a lot of times it's like, you know, cussing and, you know, stuff they can't really air. And so you get all these little breaks in the audio and it almost like having, it almost just, is there to remind you like of all this interesting audio that hey, we can, you know, we can't let you hear that. And so it's like, it's like, yeah, it's like, just don't even give it, you know, don't even tease us with it.

I felt like they were overbleeping, they wasn't even necessarily bleeped cuss words that they were bleeping. I felt like, I don't know, just random times they were going to the seven seconds that we were on the game bleeping. I felt like, I don't know, just random times they were going to the 7 seconds. Yeah. And sometimes I was like, I didn't know if it was like technical difficulty or if it was being cut. I don't know, but it was just and then they would come back like the Deloitte thing with Fleetwood and Catti today was, you know, was very interesting. I almost wish they would have done more of that

throughout the telecast throughout the four days. I wish there was a channel or an online version where it would just be like just pure radio. That would pay a premium for the un-unicool. I don't understand why everybody gets so triggered about the mics and the cuffs. I don't either. People say those piped in. Like, no, they clearly have microphones in the cups. A couple of, that might be the definition of who cares. Yeah. I love it. Even as simple as like a guy's going, like missing a pot and going by the hole and taking

a deep breath. I think that, like, that adds something. It kind of takes you there. It's like, all right, I thought the, the white there wind graphics were saying. A lot of the graphics were. Yeah. Yeah. They would come and do a A lot of the graphics. Yeah, they would come and do a big aerial of the whole golf course and show it was 15 miles an hour on the west side of the course. It was 19 miles an hour on the other side of the course. Yeah, I

mean, I still thought it was, it was just, it was mostly good. Yeah, you know, I, I hear your guys complain sometimes there's a Friday, but I thought it was good. I don't know. I, I, I have a hard time getting too too fired up about this stuff. Did it pick up some ball? Yeah, they did pick up some ball. Patrick Greek when when Reed was standing over a shot. You'll have to go. Not from Patrick.

Correct. From summit. Yeah, unlike a contest by the table. I understand why we're not having more opens in the New York area. Like every four or five years is enough, I think. Which maybe my favorite moment of the week was Stenson on Sky Sports, getting ready to do an interview and they say something to him about swearing. He's like, wow, good thing you told me, because I just said fuck over there. It's a Stenson, we are, Hinerk, we are actually live. Oh, I'm sorry. So it's clear as day, the big F bomb drive. I think that's a huge,

flies in the face of what the game stands for, it's disgusting. It's disgusting. It should see, Q. If we're ready to move on from Fox, well, I want to hear what you guys biggest of disappointments were the week. Before we move on from Fox, shout out to our boy, Shane Bacon.

Awesome job. It was just so, so he was seamless. I forgot he was on there a lot. And not because he was like, not because he was forgettable. And it's just so he was seamless. I forgot he was on there a lot and not because he was like not because he was forgettable And any it's just yeah, I natural yeah, it just it was phenomenal I mean it's whatever I know we're kind of this is a very inside small baseball that nobody probably cares about But I mean we're all buddies with him and it's been it's been awesome to see him go from you know Doing this lowly podcast to going on and...

To shop makers. Yeah, to shop makers and then to actually doing the... I mean, he's, yeah, he was in the final round of the US opening, he's calling off shots. That's awesome. It was awesome. He did a great job with that. He was here about a month ago hanging out here

and then we talking about it, but didn't actually hear him on TV. He was like, all right, this is a major, major career step. I do feel like, too, the personnel that they used on the entire telecast was more. It seemed like the whole scheme was more focused this year. Like, everybody had more of a purpose. They have so few reps, even over the course of a few years,

that it's in, like, Bacon even mentioned, I wish we had like 10 events a year. If we could do this 10 times together, we'd be even that much better at it. So, what, can I just do a quick shout out to you? Ken Brown. Yeah, well, the guy, it's just aspirational. He had a walk out there today.

A W-OK, well, yeah. Yeah, he's gonna do a stir fry or something. Yeah. Like, if there was somebody to like take over the Mr. Rogers franchise, like he's the guy in my mind who would be like that type of guy, like if there's a better person in the world

than Ken Bryant, and I've never met the guy. So this is all through like, never met Mr. Rogers. You're right, this is all through like 30 second segments, like once a year on TV, but he just seems like an exceptional person. New Mr. Rogers documentary coming out, pretty excited.

Let's go see that. Who's your guys biggest disappointment of the week? I think speed for me. I don't know. I always talk myself into picking him every week because he just seems like the fit for the thinking man's golf course, and he's going to outstrategy everybody. And he just didn't have it this week.

It was a bummer to see. I was gonna say speed so I guess in the interest of picking somebody else. I mean you were talking a lot about your high hopes for Scott Gregory. Yeah, Scott Gregory let us down. Let me down Thursday. Yeah, I guess in that very same vein is Rory. I just think there's, I don't know. There's just something, I can't, I'm not smart enough to put my finger on it maybe, but there's just something missing. I feel like watching him play right now.

Well, I was gonna say Rory, so I'm gonna say leash, just because I feel like he was in really, really good position heading into Saturday, even after six, seven holes on Saturday. And then, you know, just in the conditions, I think the firmer it gets, the more he thrives typically. And, you know, that was kind of the complaint about just a gust of this year was, hey, you know, it just got really soggy. They're on Saturday.

And, you know, and I think this was his time to shine. Obviously, a lot of plenty more shots, but I was expecting a little bit more for them. I was going to say Rory, but not going to follow two people that won this day. I'll say overall, I'll say Phil, I think if we want to hang onto this belief that he's going to win one of these, I'm going to need you not doing that.

Would you say you're not mad at're not mad at for you just disappointed? I am. I'm quite disappointed. Amen Lynch just just wrote off. Here at a column this morning just wrote off. Feels entire future US open like it's over. This was this was it. That's a fair take.

Yeah. That's I mean, we're going to pebble next year. They at I don't know. Let's chill. Let's just let's just see. I had one more disappointment while you guys were talking. My disappointment was that Polter was didn't stick around. Yeah, that would have been real contention longer.

That would have been tremendous content. The triple and the seven, five to end things on Friday kind of took a lot of wind out of his sales. to end things on Friday, kind of took a lot of wind out of his sales. You know, I think he would have been in like the last group Saturday. How do you not done that? And that could have been spectacular. What do you guys think on? He tweeted some stuff about the harassment that he was getting out there from the crowds.

Where do you get, where do you stand on? Polter getting verbal harassment from a New York crowd in the US open? I mean, I'm against it. I don't know. I don't feel like it's out on anybody getting a verbal, you know, verbal assault out there. But it's, I don't know. That stuff is just, it's gone way too far. It's just so, I don't know. It just becomes a game of one-upsmanship and everybody trying to, the problem is that nobody's just, including all of us. Nobody's as funny as they think they are. So everybody, you know, it's like, the whole thing is just, these people,

these unfunny, just dipshits that are like trying to one up each other and it's just a blender of terrible stuff. There's someone who has big gravy. Unless it's funny. Yeah, but it's just so rare it is. But even I'm just like, yeah, man, I don't think I'm, like, that's the one time I've ever done that. I don't think I'm ever gonna run it back's the one time I've ever done that. I don't think I'm ever gonna run it back.

Yeah, exactly, that was your moment. Yeah. Well, I don't understand the, or I understand it, I guess I just, this Ryder Cup spillage over into other events. Like, we can hate even both of the Ryder Cup but don't harass him in a stroke, play it, but. It's not, that's not, I don't think fair.

I don't know. Yeah, and it sucks, and then you got the people, you know, posted it on Instagram and then trying to shop it around to people like, oh, here's me blowing up bubble lots and on his way from the range to the first D. Like, oh, cool, man. That's like, thanks, yeah, that's kind of shitty. Thanks for contributing to the discourse.

Somebody emailed us that, yeah, please don't do that. It's terrible. You're not supporting that kind of behavior. Unless it's funny. Yeah. Which it rarely is like I mean guys I mean shit stensen yesterday had a you know he told somebody to zip it like who's who's out there like writing stensen right yeah yeah you know I feel like the guy would kill me Sergio might have had the moment of the week though when

he was asked on Saturday like what are Saturdays for and he waited forever the crowd get quiet and he said guy, fuck you in the ass. Well, which, yeah, look, that's not great either. It's not called for as long. I have to argue that take though. I feel like there's middle ground between the two. I saw one person, one person responded and said that the only people that should be allowed in a golf tournament

are registered voters Which might be kind of the reason why yeah, which you know, I think he's probably taking a step too far But at least it was a new idea No, yeah, we're not trying to get a new whole voter ID thing and you know, it's this whole other issue I think two guys only give a shout out to Xander Schoffley other issue. I think two guys only give a shout out to Zander Shoffley. I think he's got a new nickname Pents Force. Yeah. Disease X. Disease X, which is allegedly starting to bucket 10. Allegedly. It could be airborne. Yeah. Four billion people. What's your source on

that? Info Wars. But he shot 72, 74, 72, 68. And then good showing for Matthew Fitzpatrick, but that's not the second guy. I'm gonna shout out DJ D funk Dylan Lamont. Yeah, how cool was that? Really, T20, strong showing. He and Brian Gay actually shout out to Brian Gay. Yeah, it was a mixed leaderboarder. Yeah, that's cool to see guys. You know, it goes to show you that the course, shit, Matthew Pavan. We still don't know who he is. I don't think I've seen him hit a shot yet, but

man, he finished T25. Maybe we'll see him in Germany this week. That's true. Yeah, on that note, we, Tron, DJ and I are going to Germany this week for the BMW International. Happy to get back, fixed up in the European tour scene.

And then Randy and I are going the following week after Chicago for the KPMG Women's Open. So getting redistributing assets here a little bit over the next couple weeks. And we had a lot of questions coming on Twitter. We didn't get to a lot of them. Other than Ryan Sney asked, how much money is in Tron's trust fund? You know what guys, it's a blind trust. How did you betting go this week? Oh man, I was close. I had, I went steep on like top 10. So the house loves to hear. Oh, I'm so close. I had I went steep on like top 10 So the house loves to hear oh, I'm so close. I had magic. It's

Patrick. I'm so long I had Sam Burns for top 10. Yeah, there was a lot a lot of close calls, but no big hits I I got one kind of I know we're trying to wrap here. I got Tron you kind of brought it up and it's it's kind of I know we're trying to wrap here. I go tron you kind of brought it up And it's it's kind of existential or philosophical kind of thought experiment But with with the winner this week being won over par and No, but like how are we supposed to live under par like

It's crazy parser relevant. I'm not I'm not sure what to do well if pars relevant and we're supposed to look like then our lives are irrelevant. Yeah, yeah, it's just. We were stretching. Shrouding your cat. Some questions. Some questions. You just start scratching the surface and yeah, gosh. Careful how much, yeah, careful how far you pull that thread. All right, on that note, let's wrap it up. I think it exhausted the taste. Yeah, we're travelers this week kind of upset what what we're gonna be on the other side of the world

for that one. It's actually one. Big Randy's gonna be locking it down. You got us covered on the track. Yeah, it does need a survivor. I think we're gonna try to get a mailbag out, right? This week, working on mailbag. Get some of those questions from the Refuge

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