No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 150: Stephan Jaeger

Episode Date: June 26, 2018

Coming to you from the BMW International in Cologne, Germany, Stephan Jaeger joins the podcast to talk about growing up in Bavaria, golf in Germany, coming to the United States, and golf in Tennessee. He... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 150: Stephan Jaeger appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! not from this area does this feel like a homecoming being here? It does. I mean, you know, I don't get to go to Germany very often. I go bring me once a year for Christmas, see my family and stuff, but I've never been in this area, so it's kind of new to me and looking at the cathedral behind us here. It's a pretty cool spot and golf course is great. It's tough today, but no,

it's great to be here. Great to be home. How much of a wrinkle is this in your schedule to come over to pop over here to play for one week? Well, you know, good thing is we're playing on East Coast next week. So, you know, if it was across all the way to West Coast, it would kind of be a long, long haul back. But, you know, we're in DC next week. And, you know, I can sleep pretty well on the plane.

So, I'll just, you know, I'll just pop a couple of glasses of wine and I'm out for, you know, six to seven hours and I'm fine. So it shouldn't be too much of a hassle. Going west is the easy part. Yes, yes. Well, because you just wake up early. So you just, you're up at five and you got a couple of glasses, you know, a couple of cups of coffee and you're ready to go.

Well, I think this whole trip has been one giant kind of learning experience for us about golf in Germany. We're curious as to what your background in the game is growing up here and how you ended up in the States and then just in general kind of what golf is like in Germany. And did you pass the golf test? Yes.

We learned about that, okay? You got to fill fill people. We're kind of mortified. So, yeah, so we have to, you have to have a test on a, I'm going to say like a short course or even on a long course. I think you're you're accompanied by a PGA professional. I'm guessing I did it so many years ago. I don't can't remember, but you have to shoot a certain score to be allowed on the golf course by yourself, which is so German, it's not even funny. You know, you're just, you know, there's a regulations for everything. But no, you know, it's, I grew up very close to the golf course.

I mean, we're half a mile from the golf course when my parents live and they played some golf. And I was always somebody that, you know, I was driving the carts when I was five or six years old and invocations and stuff. And my sister played. And it just, you know, once you kind of see your parents playing and your sister playing it,

and you know, I want to see your parents playing and your sister playing it and you yeah I want to try this out. It was fun. I played you know Played some golf on the weekends playing with my family and but most of the time I was you know I played the other sports, you know soccer and and the big sports here in Germany. I probably soccer and You know maybe tennis ice hockey in the winter so It wasn't in the front of my mind until I was probably 13, 14 and I got pretty good, pretty quick, you know, as kids do. And yeah, it's,

you know, it's viewed a little different here than it is in the States. Also, because you're even in Europe, it's more of a sport. So we do, you know, in Germany, especially, you play it and you want to get better. You want to, you know, you want to take lessons and you want to, you know, practice and you want to, you know, compete in tournaments, local tournaments. And in the States, you just get drunk and play non-holes with your buddies. I mean, really is. The most of the public courses in Chattanooga,

they give you a six pack when you buy around. Which I mean, that just shows you. And I don't think I've ever seen anybody drink anything, but water or like, electrolyte drinks in Germany when they were playing golf, because they wanna stay focused and you wanna stay, anything but water or like, electrolyte drinks in German, and when they were playing golf cause they wanna stay focused and you wanna stay, you know,

head of the game and all that stuff. So it's taken a little differently. I think it's probably just a culture, but more people play golf in America. And I think the fun part about, you know, we'll just play with our buddies and have a couple beers and have some fun and Listen to music. I've never listened to music in Germany

And I think you would get you know yelled at from every group around you Hey, turn the music off whatever, but yeah, it's definitely a different mindset on it I think it's probably just how we are as Germans and how kind of lay back your Americans are. Yeah, because you referenced earlier just kind of when you said that the golf test is like the most German thing ever. What do you mean by that for people that have never been to Germany before? It's just very regulated, very planned. Everything's got to have a test. I mean our driving test kind of you know going from BMW

Takes like six months You have to have like a certain amount hours on the road then you have to have at least six hours on a lot of on You have to it's six hours at night. You have to have six hours in a rain. You have to have you know You know what's it certainly shows I mean everybody knows how to drive over. You drive in 150 miles an hour. You better kind of know what to do. It's been it's been a pleasure.

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Everybody, you know, when you're overtaking somebody on a bottom left lane, you get back over the right. There's no car stain on the left lane and waiting for somebody to flash lights out because they will and put the blinker on and all kinds of stuff. But it's just very organized and it's not a bad thing

necessarily. I mean, you know, very efficient, very, you know, planned and smart in that way. But that kind of, you know, putting that in golf, it's tough sometimes because it's such a mental sport that you're, you know, you've got to be a little free and you've got to be, you know, kind of lay back otherwise it's just miserable. Not everything always goes according to plan. No, not in golf. My favorite one of my favorite things my friend that used to live in Munich, he was telling me how he crossed the street once when there was no cars coming but he didn't have the

green light to do it and he got yelled at by another person. Because it was potentially gonna teach young kids the wrong thing. And I watched people, we were just down up a various different than the colonial. But we watched that people just stand there at a red light, we were just not crossing the street despite no cars coming.

It's a rural-based society. It really is. I think, you know, and older people are not afraid to kind of be like, hey, listen, you, I mean, let's, hey, you don't do this. Because if a kid sees it, it runs over the road. I mean, make sense, and a big picture, you know, chill.

Right. So what was, what was that? Had you came over to the States and went to, went to, for high school, correct? And you were in exchange, you didn't had you been to the States was that? You came over to the States and went to, went to, for high school, correct? And you were in exchange, you hadn't had you been to the States before that? So yeah, I mean, my dad used to own a traveling agency back in the days, so we traveled all over the place.

We, you know, we kind of the touristy Grand Canyon, did a little, you know, kind of rented a car and drove around that area a little bit. And, but never really, you know, Southeast part. You know, you got a Florida, when you're from Germany, you go to maybe California, but Tennessee is not really... It's different. It's different.

But I don't know. Not a whole lot of Americans. I love Tennessee. I love Tennessee. Yeah, I love it. I really do. The people are so nice. The landscape is unbelievable. You know, you go to Smoky Mountains, you go all that. It's incredible. I just kind of fell in love with it.

And yeah, it was just going to be for a year and ended up being, I think, my 12th year. So it's been a while. So I'm trying to place your accent. Like I knew that you were from German. It's German. It's German Southern. Yeah, not America. It's German Tennessee. Yeah, it's got a little bit of Tennessee coming out every now and then. Yes, yes. A little bit of German coming out when the more drunk I get and or tired. But it's I can hide it pretty well. Know me the German accent you've heard of this week, because it's pretty strong. Now you can, I mean, I can tell German accent

across from a mile away. Oh, that guy is German. I can actually see a person how they're dressed. I'm like, oh, he's German, 100%. Really? Oh, 100%. It's, you can notice it very easily easily if you know what you're looking for. What's the difference between Bavaria, Southern Germany, and the rest of Germany, Greg?

It's going to identify them. It's going to identify them. I'll leave you for that one. Two J. No. Two J. No. We've got the Alps, which for a lot of for a lot of the Bavarian, you know, you grew up, you go skiing. You go out of play on ice hockey.

It's get pretty cold, it gets a lot of snow. But we're very influenced by the Austrian Switzel and they're very similar and accent-wise. Food-wise is pretty similar. But, you know, we're probably the most laid back, if you look at the whole Germany, the most laid back people, the variance. I mean, you're still, you know, Munich's a different part because Munich's very metropolitan, pretty have men, you know, a lot of businesses there.

So you've got a wide variety there, but you know, the more north you get, the more proper, the proper the language gets, you know, the proper, you know, all those things kind of get. And the bavarian's, I mean, you've seen, I don't know if you've seen a Lederhosen or outfits, you know, we Le de Hosen or outfits, you know, we party. Yeah. I've been to October Fest. That is without a doubt. Probably the craziest party I think I've ever been to.

I think it's definitely the top two or three that I've ever been on. I mean, it's for me, it's Vegas and October Fest and two completely different worlds. Yeah. But it's pretty crazy. It's definitely us. I hadn't been in a couple of years, but I left when I was 17, so I couldn't really go

before. But it's probably a good thing, I would say. Where do you play most of your golf in Chattanooga? Two golf courses. I'm two members of two courses, the country club, turning into a country club and counts far. Those are the two main private golf courses that I've joined when I've kind of got onto or and stuff.

Love them. Country club is, you know, old school kind of short. I don't know if you, you know, when you guys were in Chattanooga play, they were not. So dinner will not, you're very close to the country club. I mean, you could probably hit seven iron over there. All right. Yeah. Very, very close to that true mountain tavern,

Berger Place. That place was great. It was good. But no, it's, those two golf courses, it counts five, they changed to greens a couple years ago. Very, very pure greens at all times. Golf courses and great shape. And most of the practice I do is the UTC facility.

They built that maybe three or four years ago and accepted the team. It's just me out there, which is great because I'm hit balls, nobody bothers me. I can just get my stuff done and leave, which it's a really good setup for me. I love it. And I don't think I'll be leaving anytime soon. So when you were looking at going to the schools, did you look at going anywhere else besides UTC? Did you just like try to nougat that much?

Well, so when, so I was only in Chahneaga for two years before college. So as a junior, you don't get, I mean, everybody, every big school is already recruited, freshman and sophomore, sophomore. So as a junior, you're kind of behind the A-ball a little bit because you're, you know, you're kind of still trying to prove yourself in front of college coaches and, you know, it's state and all that stuff.

You're, they don't know who you are I mean nobody really knows who you are and that actually that second year helped that I stayed a second year Baylor school there in Chattanooga and I had probably two more offers I think Kentucky and Virginia with the two next that I could have gone to. And I think I was scared of Virginia because I heard it was kind of hard. It's kind of like for some more people. And I had the hardest time at Baylor School already.

It was just, you know, so at Baylor, I mean, did you guys have like the best high school golf team in the country? In the history? Well, so it was funny because we played this McDonald's event every year. And there was one school that we, that could compete with us. It was Edmund North. And I don't know if you've known any of the guys that played Edmund North.

Kevin Tway. Kevin Tway will crop Ben Klaus who played at Vandy. I can't remember other couple guys but those were the only guys that couldn't go people with us. I mean we won state but. So who else was on your team? Harris was a senior. Harris English was a senior when I was a junior. And then Keith who's on tour, Keith Mitchell. He was a freshman when I was a junior. And then Keith, who's on tour, Keith Mitchell, he was a freshman when I was a junior. Jay Venderer, he played a Tennessee. He was on the same team. Ryan Thornton, who played at Vandy, same team. So I think our top seven all went to division one colleges. Luke list was a little bit before.

Well, Luke was older and not so I mean, Luke's probably four years older than Harris. So I think he only played with Harris for a year maybe. OK. But yeah, we had a we caught we probably at the time could have been ETC in a match just because you know, they're just getting to the point where they're getting good. I'd love to see it, but, you know, we're also juniors in high school,

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about golf course in Tennessee, he was dying for you to get your input on Sweden's cove. I figured he's Germany. There's, there's not enough rules there for him. Yeah, drive anywhere he wants. He goes there and he just freaks out. Yeah. And this is madness. Yeah, drive anywhere he goes there and he just free That is madness. Yeah, I have to rate this fun girl. Okay. Fine. I like sweetens. I really do. It's a great It's a great gambling off course. Exactly. There's so many birdies and there's so many I Mean so many crazy stuff going on I don't think I would like you play an alternative crazy stuff going on. I don't think I would like you to play an alternative, but for gambling purposes it's awesome because you can, you know, I wish they would put two pins on the greens. I've told the guys out there, but they

want to keep it as a non-whole. I get it. You know, that's what they're, you know, kind of, you know, supporting, but I think the greens are big enough to put two grits flags on there. And you wouldn't even see the other flag. I mean, the greens are so massive and they're so on-genulated that you could play 18 holes easy and to make it two different golf courses. But I think it's a cool little track. And it's just one of those.

There's no such as what's, how big is the sign? Maybe two feet about one foot. Three pieces of bone wood, I think. Yes, and no clubhouse, and it's just, it's just got a cool vibe to it. And we don't really go that often, just because when I'm home, I just, I practice and go in my places,

and then I drive 45 minutes minutes to you know to sweetens But it's a really cool spot and I think they've done well with it there and It's crazy how much good golfers and China New York it really is it really is I mean you know you got the honors as well that that's you know always top 100 and and then the states every year Black rock, black reek. Black rock. Yeah, in the far end. It does have to be.

Every time. I don't know if you played it, but. Look out, mountain. You look at mountain. God, that place drives you nuts. I don't know if you have somebody that plays there all the time, but I remember the second green to look at mountain. I think it goes.

Like it goes uphill towards the back right, but everything's downhill. So you're like, yeah, I'll hit this little hill towards the back right, but everything's downhill. So you're like, yeah, I'll hit this a little harder off the green long. I mean, it's just, cause it's not a mountain, it's just kinda crazy. But it's good, man, where we don't have is good public courses, really.

You know, we have a lot of really good private courses around, even the farm in Dalton is pure. Oh, it's awesome. Oh, awesome. And it's a lot of good golf around Chaniga within an hour, which is fantastic. Well, you mentioned with sweeten, it's a good gambling course,

wouldn't want to play tournament. What makes a good tournament course for you? What's the difference? I think, if you would have to put the green, if you would have to make the greens tournament speed at sweetens, I think we would get two crazy. It's not pinnable. You have three pins on a huge green. If I think of number three, the whole left part of the green is unusable if you're number three. Right. The whole left part of the green is unusable

if you're rolling 12. Right, which is the best part with that tree. Which is the greatest part of that green, but you have to have it rolling a nine or 10. Seven, seven's the same way. Exactly, the same way. So I think it would make the greens a lot smaller and it wouldn't have all those runoffs in play because you couldn't

put the pins there. Seven's the same. Like you just said, there's really only a few pins if the greens are fast, but you can sneak them on the corners when the greens are on 8 or 9, but I think for tournament speed it would just eliminate a lot of the cool stuff that's going on there. Yeah. I think it's just a perfect glimpse into how different tournament golf is from everything else that we all play. Anybody else listen to this? I mean, it's just a totally different vibe. I feel like that gap is just getting bigger and bigger out there. Well, it's, you know, when you play a little bit of a funky golf course or, you know,

some funky dog legs or some stuff in private? It's awesome. Let me just try to hit this over there or try to drive the green. But when you're a tournament golf course, we're in plain tournament, it's a totally different ballgame. Hey, what do I have the best spot to hit the next shot from or where do I put from next to?

What do I need to avoid to hit the next shot from or where to put from next to it. What do I need to, you know, avoid to, you know, have a good shot in there. You know, it's just a lot more thinking involved. Is that even stroke play versus match play kind of the same similar thoughts that go into around the golf? Yeah, I mean, I think we we don't play a lot of match play. So it's tough to kind of wrap your mind around it. But yeah, I think if you play match, but you play a lot more golf courses a lot more aggressively, because if you hit one on the water or out of balance, you're like, okay, you can have that whole well. Let's go to the next. So it's just kind of, it is what it is. I think that the more funky the golf course is, the less tournament, I think value it has because it's just when it gets firm, it gets fast, it ruffs up,

and the greens are fast. It gets, you know, to the point, I mean, look at Chinatocque. It's, the greens are almost, almost too aggressive. I mean, look at the 18th green in Shindikok, you guys hit in driver 4 iron and you know half of the green really slopes off through. I don't know. It's just an old golf course that's not meant to be played for greens that are only 13. That's just how it is. It's the same with Okema. That's why they're so hard. Because the greens are not built to have balls run, greens run 12, 13 and a half, it's just not built for that. Did you watch a lot of the US Open? I did, and I tried to qualify, and I was kind of glad I didn't make it.

Which site did you play it? Played in Atlanta, so I made it through Atlanta last year at Hawks Ridge, and then this year it was sitting down Creek, which is a great track. Really cool. I think two, one under made in a playoff. So it was really that windy either. It was a good spot to be, and it just, it fit with me, and going to Atlanta real quick, and on the way to Atlanta real quick and you know on the

way to Memphis it it worked out. I've made it through twice the US Open on smaller sites to where you know there's maybe 40 guys, couple spots and you played 15 and 17, you played 2015 and 2017. No I played Chambers and Aaron Hills, which was 1517. Oh, that was yeah, what year did I miss? I came home almost 16. Yeah, well there you go. Yeah, that's you're right. Yeah, those are the two I played Kind of disappointed with those two That's a tough draw over the last 10 years. Yeah, miss open Chinatown where to go, buddy. Play Chambers with cauliflower greens and Aaron Hills.

It's just, I mean, it's Aaron Hills. If you can play it from 8,000 yards, I don't end it. That's not like, of course, to me. So what's the best part of your game? Right now, I put it really good today, so I would say that. No, I'm no me, I'm pretty good. Inside, you know, while we won 2130, you know, pretty good chip or pretty good putter normally. And yeah, forget my arm game and driver game and play.

I can do pretty good. This week's tough because it's really in there, it ruffs up so if you don't hit it great, you've got a really, really scrambled to make par or you've birdies and stuff. I would say the shorter stuff is probably my expertise. Well, I was gonna say like really looking at your success on the web tour. It's been, you've played some,

you've played well at a variety of different courses. That's a weird part. You can do some good, some damage with good wedge play at the top of your deck on tour. The wedge.com. Yeah, I was gonna say it, but I didn't want to say that. Yeah. You know, it's, and I was,

somebody asked me the other day about, you know, what's different between the two courses or two, you know, setups. And I said, really the biggest difference is the golf courses, first of all, they're firmer. And if you miss a green, the chances of you're getting it up and down are very way smaller. Because the run-offs are tougher, the roughest thicker, the greens are firmer and faster. So you're going to have quite a hard time getting the balls up and down and you're coming in with a 7-iron compared to Gap wedge.

So for me, I'm going to miss a lot, hell a lot more greens with a 7-iron and a gap wedge. So, that adjustment's been kind of tough because, you know, I could rely on a wedge game and get it on the green and put well and do well. And, you know, it's kind of, you know, I felt lately that I just can't get in a role because, you know, I have in five-hundreds and in five hours and six hours you've got to be so precise out there that you don't have enough birdie opportunities and then you know it's just pressing it and you're missing the wrong spot and it's wrong spot on tour is bogey. There's no if you're in the wrong spot on the PGA tour you cannot make par. You're making a 20 footer par maybe. So it's a lot different than the web in that sense. But for instance, Knoxville was really firm,

but I had four drivers in Knoxville. Well, and on tour you hit 10. You know, so it's just an adjustment period. I think you just kind of shift your focus from one part of the game a little bit. It's a, hey, I do need to get better mid-Irns. It's a nine to six where you're scoring clubs really on tour. It's a adjustment period. I think a lot of the guys kind of go through it.

I think I've been getting consistent starts along the way during that whole process. Yeah, what's happened? I mean, what's your current status for people at home don't know and how often are you getting in events versus what are the best times of year for you and whatnot? This stretch coming up for us is pretty much the biggest for the guys that have really done as well as I want to because all the big guys are taken off between majors between WGC's and I mean they have, let's say they have three or two majors left, I think three or two WGC's.

Maybe three, right? Just now maybe two more than two then play off. Play off. So you've got in two and a half months. They've got you know six seven events technically there's three majors left with the John. Yeah, yeah, John He's a huge event. Um Well for us it is because We love the we unironically love the John dear classic. Yeah, I call it the fifth major

It's it's the next two two months are really important for those guys. And I think we'll get probably in all of them. I'm kind of closing on the national next week. I think I'm three in or something. But for the rest of season, Greenbar, John Deere, Barbara Saul, you play every event that you're in. I'm playing every single event that I can tee up on. PGA is the only one that I'll probably won't get in,

depending on my play, but there is an event that week. So you've got to come out just firing in the fall series. Well, you've got a fire in the fall series, and then you get into the Florida tournaments. RIP to the fall series. That's true. Yeah, yeah. You got Braperown, whatever we're calling it.

And then you got a fire and the West Coast. Yeah. And that gives you into Florida events. Honestly, just play consistently. I mean, you're not going to be up there every week, but you've got to, you know, every once in a while, in every major, you know, area we play in the States, you got to get hot. And I haven't done that. I haven't done that this year, 2018 has been kind of sobering. The fall has been actually, the fall was good.

I actually played pretty decent and fall, play good in Vegas, played decent in Seattle. But it's just 2018 hasn't really gone to the good start. I seem to lose it every December. I don't know what happens. But no, we've got a lot of tournaments left. Just flip a switch and get going, get going on the weekend and have a chance on Sunday. And I'll take my chances

from there. Probably the most variety of the whole schedule come up too. A lot of band stuff. I like that. Yeah. When you play, I know it changes every week, obviously. On average, how many wedges would you say you have in on the web.com tour to par force, versus the PJ tour?

It depends when you play. You play the tour in national zero. Right. It's, I would say probably you would probably have inside 40, 140 yards, you probably have six. Yeah. Um, seven maybe PJ tour two. Yeah. Seven maybe. P.D. tour two. Yeah. But how long are you I mean compared to the rest of the tour? Very long. Yeah. No, I'm not. I think we got some news. I was like, wow, yeah. That would I thought that. I believe in Stephen gets drug tested the next four years. That's what happens when you win four times in 36 months. They're thinking I'm doing some and made a cut in seven weeks. But sure, direct trust me. No, I'm probably a little bit above average, I would say. But, you know, you have a lot, like I said,

the misses are a lot more penalizing. So you're making a lot more bogies if you don't hit it in the right spot. So I think that's the main part. I don't think the wedges are necessarily the big, you know, the big change. I think the misses and the, you know, the difficulty of the up and down that you have are the biggest changes. Because on the way I play, most of the times you don't really play that

firm, the greens that fast, the rough, that high. So, I think it's a combination of few things. And I think it's, you know, it just been period of also getting comfortable, getting, you know, kind of seen, I mean, I haven't seen any of these golf courses on tour, so, and those guys have been out there for, you know, I don't know. Yeah, a lot of 10 years. Yeah, exactly. You know, so they've played those places 12, 20 times,

you know, so, excuse us, but I think, you know, like I said, it's just part of the deal. Sometimes it over to Knoxville a few weeks ago to play a web event. What was the opposite event that week on the PGA tour? Yeah, players. So you weren't in the players. You just went down to play to get a rap. I imagine the Tennessee location played in there. So yeah, so I played Charlotte the week before. And I actually kind of felt something in Charlotte

that I was like, I'm missing cutting Charlotte. Crazy story happened there on Friday. And if y'all wanna get into that, I'll be happy to tell you a story. You got a crazy story, good. But anyways, I was like. Yada, yada, yada, I won. Back to the crazy story.

Yada, yada, yada, yada. What's the story you told me about? Long story short, I was like, dude, I can stay in my house. It's an hour and 10 minutes. I'll drive back and forth. I won't show up till Thursday morning, really. I've played the golf course 10 times. So I went up, played nine holes on Monday with a buddy mind that caddy for me for the week because it just, I was like, dude, don't worry more about this Knoxville deal. I just, you know, I have my buddy caddy. It's no big deal.

And drove back and forth every day. Stayed Thursday night, because at 7 o'clock, T-Time on Friday. But honestly, that I didn't really play that good the first two days. I think I was 300, maybe 200. And I would have, I missed the cut on a PGA tour. I would have missedamistic cut on a PJ tour. I would have missed a cut 100%

with the way I played the first two rounds. I would have missed a cut. I wouldn't have the chance on the weekend. And I got home and I frited afternoon, I hit some balls on range and something kind of, you know, just kind of clicked, found a secret. I didn't find a secret. I wish I did, but.

Temporary, you borrowed the secret. I borrowed it until I've lost it again couple days later. Um, no, and I played really good on the weekend. You know, I was putting well that week, you know, putting really good in my wedges, kind of, getting closer and closer. And I just kind of killed it on the weekend and 64, 64 ended up, you know, ended up winning. I don't know what how many you are one by I think three And it was and it was awesome dude. I mean, you know you go there and you're like oh, it's just I'll play for the week Just kind of get a rep get some momentum I don't think the guys liked that very much

Because man this guy from freaking Peter you come down there and just in a bitch takes the only thing that that are you gonna play Tennessee State open this year? Sorry, Ben, sorry, Ben. The only thing that should make him feel better is that that sung J.M. came in second. Yes, he's been winning everything this year anyway. I know for a guy. Yeah, I feel bad for him. So what's the crazy story from well? So too? So I'm on, I'm, I teed off on the, on the front on Friday. And I'm around the cut nine. I think I'm one over or one under or something. And I play the short part for the fifth,

14th with the water on the left. Yeah. And pin was all the way in the back. So I went off the left. I was like, dude, I'll lay up a hill good wedge there And you know, I've got 15 pretty easy per five and you know get something going and and sneak in the weekend there and And I pulled my three iron and I hit it just left that bunker and hit pretty hard and went towards the water there I was like shit, you, go up there and the volunteer goes up, oh yeah, so he hit next to the bunker

and it shot left into the hazard. I said, okay, well did you see going to water? And she was like, yeah, yeah, it's in the hazard. I was like, okay, sure, I don't walk around 50 yards around and see if it's in the hazard. If she says it's in the hazard. Yeah, here you know where I'm going. Yeah. So I job, hit it on the green, walk, you know, walk past a bunker towards the green and look left.

And there's my ball sitting in the grass in the hazard, totally playable. Guys, I think I was this close to a mental breakdown at that point. You've missed five cuts in a row and you're, you know, you're on edge and this lady tells me it's in the hazard. And obviously, I mean, it's my fault. I should have freaking looked and got up there and, you know, see if my ball, but you trust those volunteers to help you out and whatever and I lost it. I mean I lost it. I think I yelled at this lady for a solid three minutes across the way. I had the rules official calm. You know, ask him like listen, she told me this or whatever.

Sleggers playing media. Oh my god, I lost it. I lost it. I felt so bad because at the moment did I'm so mad You know because it's not a Saturday or Sunday, you know, it's crunch time. It's Friday afternoon So you're you know, you're already an edge with your own on the cut line and I felt bad. I apologize and stuff But I'm sure she's a list of the podcast. I'm sure she is. Yeah, I think she's listening. I don't know your name, but I'm sorry. It's just, I in the moment, it was just not the right thing to tell me that it is in the hazard. And it wasn't a hazard, but it was on grass. It's almost like the PGA tour volunteers,

maybe aren't the best trained and the best people at... No comment. No comment. So is this the longest you've ever been into an interview without somebody bringing up the 58? Yeah, absolutely. So you guys said the next? That's it, we're out of questions.

So you shot 58, two years ago. What was that like? I was black out. I don't know where to start with. Have you always just blacked out? I mean, the 64, 64 is kind of the same thing. The same thing. Is it 58 on?

Well, no, I mean, you know what I'm saying. It's a certain kind of blackout that it takes. It feels really good. And that's why I think the records kind of show once I get in contention and can I get close to the lead? I don't know what it is. It's just all my worries and all the other stuff that's there when I'm playing, you know, when I'm playing on Thursday, Friday, and you're just kind

of like, oh, what I have this week. What, you know, what we got? And I kind of want to hit in there. All gone. I just, you see one thing, you see the favor, you see the green, you see, thing you see the failure you see the green you see but it's awesome It really is I'd love to get there more often Then you know a few times a year What was the lowest you'd shot prior before yeah tournament or not tournament so I shot 62 one time With a buddy mine. It wasn't a tournament. I think the lowest I shot before that was 63 in a junior tournament and when I played in college. So it wasn't even close.

I mean, I was never at like 60 or 61. I had a put at it or nothing. So, you know, it's, I feel really comfortable when I get on those runs. And just having started the right part of the round. I feel really comfortable when I get on those runs and Just having started the right part of the round, you know the first hole instead of the Didn't really so when I started I part I missed a 10 footer on the first 57 well you left a couple out there I did yeah, I mean let's let's be serious. I left a few out there But no, you know, I was a birdie the second,

hidden a bunker on the par three in the next up and down. So I was one on the through three. Nothing crazy. Birdie the next, birdie the next, birdie the next, par 18. So I'm six under through nine holes, which is, put back nine first, or the front nine.

Yeah, the back nine. I think the kind of thing that got going was 18 I had like a 10 foot of for par his shitty chip and made that and you know, you should 29 sometimes it's it's great, but Back in it. Oh, yeah, you're pretty sure the choir here. So yeah, yeah You guys look we do it. It's a bit dull I make three birdies in a row Michael R. I'm on 27 28 Greenville. Yeah, that's ball She's I mean I was 29 that was straight up demoralizing Yeah, these guys were playing in the pro-amp portion. It just did you play with them? No, no, but we just they were scored

More watching though. I don't even think it's that easy the front nine. Is it? Front nine is the most if it's part 35 with two par 5s, right? No, yeah, and in three par 3s. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think it's. I think it's three's hard. Three's up. Yeah, three's not easy.

Eight's hard. It's so hard. It's so hard. I mean, I get it. It totally explains 20. Yeah, China. China is shot 35. China is, China. Yeah, China 55 China. That's right. That's a 55 with a bogey. Yeah, I know that's the craziest part. Yeah, the 27 had a bogey

Wasn't it or the 28 28 28 bogey. Yeah, that's phenomenal. Yeah, that's good plane. I really is but so like at what point I will do you realize at some point that so all right So you were you were 600 through nine. Yeah, and then birdie one two one two You put eight under you part of part five then and three put it. Oh my god Three put it and then you birdie the next three so then you are 11 under with three to play. Yes, and I hit a Awesome shot on 7. It's kind of this uphill par 4 and I hit 9 iron and all the whole left side kind of slopes towards the pin and I hit it right where I was looking at it.

I was like, oh my god, hold it. I was like, I'm so black I just hold the same shot. And it stayed on top of the ridge like there on the fairway or ex-fringe. And I had to actually pretty hard up and down. I kind of put it kind of through some fringe and down to the left. And next hole, I hit a good drive and I hit a wedge like 40 feet short of slope. Pretty severe slope uphill. And I never really, I mean, you know, you get nervous, but I was never really that nervous.

And then when I saw who was it, I think it was Mark Silvers and two other guys were on 70 bucks. When I was in A Green, it's very close. And there was a scoreboard right behind eight and they're all staring at me And I'm like Well, I guess I'm doing pretty good Who are you playing with? I was playing with Nate Lashley and Diego Vlasquez Okay, and were they kind of giving you the silent or the perfect game? You were talking on the failure, yeah, so they're just acting like everything's normal

I don't get that whole silent. Don't talk to the picture kind of. Yeah, that'll make me way more nervous. But you're thinking about it. You knew exactly what your score was. Oh, yeah, yeah, I was. But then waiting on me to put from like 50 yards away was like, okay, let me just, you know, so I hit it up there pretty close. It was like, you know, a couple inches close. And then we get to nine.

And this is part five. And this bunker comes kind of coming up. up there pretty close it was like a couple inches close and then we get to nine and this is part five and this bunker comes kind of comes in the fairway at 300 yards and if you hit a good drive you can get there and two for sure kind of goes downhill and you get you know you can hit three or four on in and I look at Fliener and I was like, dude, I'm not hidden, I'm 11 under. I can make par and I'm a shoot 59. You're picking our hearts right now. That's all I thought about. All I thought about.

I mean, who, I mean, at the time, I was like, I want a five on my score. So I hit a great three, we're up there and I laid up to like 95 yards. We're gonna end the interview right now. We're gonna end it this part. No, laying up unless you're 11 under 317. Yeah, we'll laugh. That's Trump's. Thank you.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I get it. That's fun. I mean, I'm a big proponent of laying out that actually. I totally get it. He's off the team. Yeah, that's fine. He feels like he's in a safe place.

He could say it. I just, you know, there's so many things that can go wrong. Now, I don't think I would have been okay with it. So you've executed the layup well. Like, you hit it to the right number. Yes. And I hit a wedge just where I wanted it, 10 feet right of the hole, and ran that sucker right in the back of the hole.

So I did not want to hit it that hard and it went in and it went in. Philistophically, I feel like laying up to preserve the history of a 59. Thank you. It is kind of like not laying up. You know what I mean? Well, and then making birdie anyway,

and it's a 58. Right, I didn't lay up on the end just a part of the day. So I just laid up on the last hole, which you know I had drive if he had said well, it's just it's strategically. It's not the right play. I had drive it one thing But it's saying like no, I really want to shoot 59. I get it. I had driver driver on a couple the other part five So that's we're cool. Hey, well, wow, 50. You can be out of here. All right right, so shooting 58 is one thing. Shooting it in the first round. And then like the fact that you shot 58, 65, 64, 63.

Shot 64, 63 on the weekend. And you're scoring average. Decreased for the week. Like what? 62.5 or something for the week? For the week I think. But you're scoring average in lower, you know, after shooting after your first two rounds then it was.

I mean, yeah. Like the rest of the week where you think, oh man, like I can't be the one got to shoot 58 and then not only stand there. Yeah, like fiora did. I was gonna say. Yeah. About that.

The next week. week was it next weekend Both times these shop 59 economy lost here last eight finish second. Yeah Well, so I bogey the first hole the next day after shooting 50 It's just not his day I said here we go again. Yeah. I was 150th on the money list. But no, dude, that week was just, it was just, it just was my week. I got the breaks. You know, I made the putts.

I've got the breaks. And once again, you kind of get in that flow. And it just, it was game over from then really. I think even on Sunday, I think I shop five on in the front nine or something like crazy. Just not by that point, you're just kind of on autopilot. You just bought it, you know, everything, everything's working. You're hitting it right where you want it to. You're hitting the plus row you want to. So it was pretty, you know, it was pretty easy from then on end, but you getting it up, man, spot is a hard

part. Do you think about that week when you're not playing well? Does it frustrate you that, but why can't I do that again? Man, if I could do that all the time, I think it wouldn't be fun. Because that's a good, that's good perspective. Because the miserable time. Yeah, that's why we never do that. Exactly. I'm glad you could learn the lesson. Thank you.

Thank you. It's golf is so miserable when it's not good. It's so miserable when it's not good that you enjoy the good times way more than. Like if you've never had a bad run agolf, you're not going to enjoy the good ones. I mean, I was just in the, you'd probably had not a bad run agolf in freaking two years. But for the normal human beings on this earth, like we play bad golf every once in a while, you know, we just don't, I just, we, we hack sometimes. So when we do play good, man, this feels great.

It's just kind of like a, you know, you kind of know you're humbled very quickly in the stupid game. I'd glad how we just went normal human beings. You just, with the phrase you just used after talking about you shooting 58 in a perfect time. Oh yeah. So, all right, so, so, kind of go into that flip side. What, how frustrating was that to win on the web tour and then not get your card?

You know, honestly, I was glad because I don't think I was really ready at that point. You know, I had one good week for the whole year. I think I made 150 grand that year and made 108 there. I mean, it was just not, it wasn't consistent enough. I don't think I would have done well. I think it did me more good, gonna, you know, kind of wedding my beak again for the next year and win in a few times and really playing the open and making the cut in there and hills and and kind of just

knowing that you you can play out there obviously you know I was I was on fire at that point so you're kind of you know you're kind of on a groove level at that point but you know it just happens just because you know the way the web is structured still with the money list. If you win a small purse event, you've got to play well again. You know, that's a whole other topic. I think you can discuss for hours, but I think if you win a Columbia or a greenville, you make $121, $26,000.

You're only a fifth away from getting your tow car. So I think I'm glad it didn't work out in the long run. I think I got a lot more confidence through the 2017 season and finishing it off well and getting better every year. I think that's kind of stretched out a lot lately. I want to be able to say, hey, I've gotten better every year. And if you look at my progression over the years, it went from kind of shitty to, yeah, I'm pretty good.

I've proved myself. Yeah, so, and I think that's the way it should go. I don't think it should go back down. I think it should be better every year. And if it goes back down, you're doing something wrong. So then going forward like to your next win at the BMW charity program, was that even more satisfying or more fulfilling? And it was a little bit different because it was a range. Yeah, so I think that was a little bit different because it was a rain.

I think that Chicago, a couple of weeks later, was more fulfilling because in the back of your mind, you were like, okay, well, I probably would have won that event, but it was shortened. So I never really got a chance to actually beat everybody that day. I felt the same way. I was playing the pro-am. I know, I know. And Chessyn was playing a while, and it was like, man, we want to shot up these guys, and then we realized that even

if we did play on Sunday, I wasn't going to be playing, because there was some sort of clerical. Well, and the funny thing is, Chessyn was probably really worried about you playing the pro-am. I'm sure that was his number one. So you should be thanking me, right? I think I held him back by a few shots. Exactly. Now, you know, in the back of your mind, you always kind of like, yeah, I don't know.

You never know if you were the one. What if somebody shoots 62 to beat you by, you know, two? So you don have won. What if somebody shoots 62 to beat you by, you know, two. So you don't know. So for me to kind of two weeks later go to Chicago and really play really well in a hard golf course with some wind, really kind of solidified my, you know, comfortable, you know, comfort level on that tour. And then you know you've got your card locked up at that point, exactly. Which is kind of weird because it changed a little bit, you know, comfort level on that tour. And then you know you've got your card locked up at that point too. Which is kind of weird because it changed a little bit.

You know, my goal in the beginning of the season was to get my PG-2 card. And after three months, you got it. You were like, okay, so what are you supposed to do now? Are you trying, do you have it in the back of your mind, the battlefield promotion? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's why, you know, yeah, I was, obviously I was gonna take some weeks off to kinda get ready for the fall.

We able to start fresh. Fall. It's a time for serious. But, yeah, it's weird because you're, you know, you're like, oh, I won twice. It's easy. And then, it's not. Three wins at home, for those of listening at home. Three wins on the web, or gets you won twice. This is easy. And then it's not for those listening at home.

Three wins on the web to get you automatic promotion to get these kids. And it's so much harder when you try to win. All my wins have kind of happened in a way. Obviously, you know, L.A. May was, you know, you start off well and you're just kind of pedal to the metal. But all the other ones are just kind of came from, oh yeah, I'm around and I get a sniff and then I'm gone.

So it's weird. You're trying to win that third time and get the battlefield. You're trying too hard and you're, you know, it's a weird, god of so weird sport, man. I still hadn't figured out. I don't think anybody's figured out. Otherwise, you know, they would have been, they'd be winning every week, so. Did you always know you wanted to be a professional golfer?

I think kind of when I went to the States, I think that dream or goal was kind of, and not in back my mind, it was kind of more in front of my mind. It just kind of be like, yeah, I think this is what I want to do. What would you have done if you stayed in Germany? I don't know, I would have probably worked with my dad and his company and kind of done that. Even though I don't know how travel agencies now survive with all the internet stuff, you don't really need that anymore. So probably would have done that.

I would guess, I don't know. I think at that point, I was all in. I think I was talking to somebody other day. Oh, it was a, yeah, it was German. It was a German, it was a German interview and they're like, so, you know, what was your plan B? I'm like, plan B. Fuck is that? I was like, I was gonna be a golf professional

and I was gonna make it and... Period. Yeah. Yeah. Like there's no, oh, if I don't, I get it. There's no, oh, if I don't, I'm gonna give myself three years, and if I don't get it on the web, I'll sell real estate. No, that's not, that's not in my DNA. I don't do that. I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna work on it.

And yeah, if you've been losing money for 10 years, I probably would find a job But I'll figure that out then and not five years in advance We like okay, so I'm gonna give myself five years after the fifth year if I don't make it to there I'm of you know work at Costco. I'm not doing that So I think it's it's just it's one of the things I've always kind of dreamed of and worked towards and it's very fulfilling to have accomplished that in a way. I've got a lot more goals that I want to accomplish in this game and hopefully a lot more years to be able to do that. I know we've made this joke a lot already on this podcast, but that's literally the difference between a professional golfer and myself, because that idea of like, oh yeah, no, it's

just going to work out, because I'm going to just, I'm going to go do it. My brain is already triggered and like, hey, any kids listen to this. Guys, don't, it's really hard. Like, don't, don't think like that. It might not work out. Have a plan. Have a contingency. And I'm like, yeah, that's, that's why I didn't end up playing

Progol. It's probably a little more than, hey, I'm going to just do it. I think it's dedication and a lot of sense. You've got to have surround yourself on the right people. And a lot of times it doesn't work out. A lot of times it doesn't.

But you've got to give it a shot. Now, I think if you have a plan B, you're always kind of leaning on that. And I did not, that's not, I didn't want to do that. It's kind of be hard to look back and answer this, but kind of coming out of school, you're probably, you know, you're young and dumb and don't really have a true expectation.

But looking back, would you say it's been easier, harder, or about what you expected, your career so far? I think I'd like to be done a lot of stuff a little quicker, gotten on the web quicker, gotten success more quicker, gotten on PGA tour quicker. But I think everything kind of comes with experience a little bit and I've always been somebody that kind of needed a couple years under his belt, under his belt to kind of get comfortable, you know, even to college. I don't think I wanted my first event in college until junior year. And so I needed those two years before to kind of see get better and learn the ways of what I need to do to get there. And same way on the web, I think, you know, on and off

for three years until I've won my first event, played on Latin till a year, and it's just kind of back and forth a little bit, and I got better every year, and it just kept working on it. And once again, missed my card out by, you know, a couple grand and the next year, got got back out on one twice and, you know, did it in the first half of the season. Yeah, that's, that's, that's my goal. I want to be able to say, hey, I got better every year and sometimes, you know, this year, if it doesn't work out the way I want to, I think I would still say, as a golfer I've gotten better, because I know what it takes out there to be successful and stuff. So I know what to work on and know what kind of stuff I have to just do at home to be

able to compete. What, as far as on tour or on the web, between your kind of German heritage and living in Tennessee now, is there anybody out there that's kind of taking you under their wing? You know, I think high school buddies that, you know, Harris has kind of done a pretty good job on, on, hey, what I need to say, you know, we all know kind of how to play golf, figure out a golf course. I think that also comes with, you know, playing that golf course a few times, but, um, Alex Shaker is kind of one of the guys that I would probably, you know, kind of similar. He's kind of like a grinder. I mean, you know, people don't give him credit.

I was talking to this guy the day, and he's been around a long time today, and it makes me so mad. The guy's probably made 20 million of his career on the PGA tour, 15 million. I don't know exact number, but he's made a lot of money on tour and This this reporter comes up to me today and he was like so

What's it like to be the only German in America? I was like He's been here for 20 years You know, so It's and I like the guy. He's he's a gritty competitor. He gets a done He you know, he He works at it. He's 47, the guy. And he's having a pretty good season there. So it's just kind of cool to have somebody like that out there and have some of your older hairs been out there for five years.

So I would kind of, he's kind of a veteran, notettron, aber er erinnert sich in den Augen. Er hat auch die Leute aus der Nähe. Ist es sehr wichtig? Hast du mehr Comfortabelsprecher oder Englisch? Mein Deutschland hat einen schönen Tag in den letzten 6 Tagen. Was ist das in Deutschland? Was? Nicht vorlegen.

Nicht vorlegen. Ja, genau. Pretty good. Aber es depends, weil ich nicht wirklich in den States speak. Ich habe nur jemand, der mit diesen Alex sprechen kann, aber wir speak ein... ...mixturel, gross, ...durme, two words of German, four words of English. Like there's no chance you can have any clue what we're saying.

But once a week with my family, so I don't get a lot of practice. So when I get home and I have five, six days of continuously speaking German. I can tell immediately it gets better. And you know, the flow of the conversation gets better. And it's kind of embarrassing if you don't, you know, that's my, that's my, right. I'm in a language, you know. So I need to do a better job of kind of staying on top of that. So is this your first European tour event?

No, so I've played the BMW in 2013 or 2014. That was my first time I played it as a pro. And I played it as an Amarder in 2011. Okay. There's both in my home course in Munich. And then I played the Porsche European Open two years ago in Bat Grisbach, just kind of South Germany there.

I know you'll be back next year for, it's going back to Munich next year. Yes, it's going back the next four years, it's gonna be Munich. They're just redoing the greens, it's gonna be fantastic. I hope they're doing, I think they're gonna do a great job.

The greens are 40 years old, so they needed new surface and they needed kind of new, you know, understand underneath, they're just kind of firming up a little bit. Is it bent here? Ben plana. I mean, there are, I think there were all bent at some point,

but the plana took over. But there were just kind of soft and mushy. We have a lot, it's not swamp or say, but it's kind of soft, mossy kind of grass. So the greens kind of got, you know, pretty bumpy and soft. So they're redoing it. I'm really looking forward to it. I hope I get the chance again next year.

In the future, I've told a lot of people, I want to play this event every year, as long as I would play. Well, that's something like, would you, you know, assuming some success moving forward on the PGA tour coming years? Yeah. Is that something you look forward to

is coming over and playing not only this event and, you know, a couple of the other ones, but playing, you know, maybe a half dozen or a dozen events, you know, say you've had a good year on the tour. Just enough to further out a cup. I think that's, you know, one of the goals, you gotta play enough events to call off off of the right cup, you gotta be a member.

And my main focus is the US tour, it's just, you know, that's why I'm based in the States and I'm based, you know, that's why I'm based in the States and I'm based, you know, where I am. But I want to, you know, I want to play the events in Germany. It's two German, you know, European tour events in Germany now. There's one in Austria. So why not play? Talk like masters. Yeah, baby. Under four hours. Yeah. But no, it's, I think, you know, going in the future, I think the BMW is in my heart. I think I grew up watching that event when I was a little kid.

So it's all the way down in Switzerland too, right? The Omega European. Omega, yeah, yeah. That was, of course, looks really tight. I don't think I'm out on that. So no, it's, it's, it's definitely, you you know that's the plan to kind of you know I wouldn't say split time. I want like you said have just kind of compliment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Maybe play the Scottish before the British. Yeah, you know something like that. So you're you know

You're every once in a while you make it most of your schedule you do it. So cool. What's a last one? Let's get out here with your top speed on the Autobahn? I want to see how tron held up. So I think personally driving the fastest I've ever gone was probably 260 kilometers, which is, well, we're just, I think that's 140-ish. More than that, it's about 150. Yeah, maybe 150.

You nipped it fast. Yeah, the fastest I've ever gone in a car was like close to 200 miles per hour. Yes. Yeah, in a Porsche. And the guy was driving and it pushed. Yeah, it pushed. I don't know, I hated the car. I don't know how he drove it.

But no, it was scary. It really was. That was, I was very uncomfortable. Just because you, it almost, the sides almost look like they're, you know, there's one. It's a lot of work. It's just, it's very uncomfortable. He only did it for a couple, you know, probably 15 seconds or so,

because you just, you know, you never know if somebody pulls out, you're going 200. You're dead. I mean, that was, we were doing, I think our top speed was 240. Yeah. 240, collabiners. Yeah. Which is like 145, 149.

Yeah. So, yeah, that was, but it was like, you know, at no point did I, maybe these guys, I don't want to speak for these guys. That was good. That was good for me. Yeah, it's a big, you know, it's a little bit higher up. But I think the thing for me is,

when you're given the opportunity to go as fast as you want, when there is a speed limit, like when it does kick down to 120 or 100 kilometers, you follow it. Because you're like, all right, there's a reason that there's a speed limit here. Yeah. Yeah, there's a curve that I can't take,

going 240. Yeah. You know there's a good reason. Exactly. Well, the only other thing you know is, if you're on a road that you can go as fast as you possibly want to, you know the roads good. So they ain't going to be a pothole. Right. Well, I noticed that today actually on the way up was

they're straight. There was there was certain spots where I was wondering when we got north of like Stuttgart. I was wondering why it wasn't just no speed limit. But then I realized it would only go to no speed limit if it was a relatively freshly paved road. It wasn't just the turns or the straightaway, it was also like the condition of the road. Well, the thing is, you know, guys, you know, 240 is pretty quick or 150 miles an hour, you said. But guys going on an automobomb to go 200, exactly like a 20. Yeah, so like if you have a little curve that you can take on, you know 200 kilometers an hour, you can't take that going 300 kilometers hours. I think that's why they kind of stopped having it open for for you know long periods of time because the roads, the cars going so fast nowadays that

the roads won't allow that. Yeah. All right. Very last one I promise. What's the most annoying German stereotype like from Americans? From Americans about Germans? Yes. Oh, that we drink beer out of a boot.

I have seen no boots since we've been here. I think that's from that movie. Yeah, it's a beer fest. Beer fest. I have never even heard of that. I got to the States and like, you're probably more likely to see somebody drinking beer out of a boot in Chattanooga than you are. Yes, it was in Sherman.

I don't know. No, that's not stereotype would I would that's not stereotype, but that's kind of like a perception of us were drinking beer out of boots. I've never never seen. I like to date lunch and try and ask hey can I have a can I have a beer. They're like oh we don't have beer. We have coach. Yeah coach. Yeah, I love coach, but I'm like hey it's yeah, it's it's Pillson or kind of I'm more more of a Havivites, some kind of guy. Bavarian. Bavarian.

Well, we post it up at the Schneider, Schneider Vice. Yeah. Place, the other night. Yeah, I don't think they have any beer left. Yeah, beer left. Yeah. You'd be surprised. And then we went back for breakfast the next morning.

Yeah, it was great. They recognized us. Got some vice first. It was tough. Yeah, it's good. We got the full next morning. Yeah, it's great. They recognize this. It's a vice-first. It was tough. We got the full preparing experience. Yeah, I like that. I like that. You guys give the whole cultural experience. We got to. That's what the reason we moved you have to come here. So, all right, we kept you for a long-ass time, a man that was a lot of fun. Appreciate it. Thanks, family. Yeah, you bet. Best of luck to us. We'll be right club. Be the cheers, thanks.

Give it a right club. Be the right club today. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different? The most.