No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 159: PGA Championship Recap w/ Kyle Porter and Kevin Van Valkenburg

Episode Date: August 13, 2018

Brooks Koepka is your 2018 PGA Championship, but it was the Big Cat that captured our hearts with a fiery 64 to finish two shots out of first. Kyle Porter from CBS and Kevin Van... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 159: PGA Championship Recap w/ Kyle Porter and Kevin Van Valkenburg appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. We're missing pooreth. We almost got the full Ryder Cup recap group back together, calling in from St. Louis. We have from ESPN, Kevin Van Volkkenberg, and from CBS, Kyle Porter.

You guys are in the same hotel room. I usually hate doing a three-man weave remote podcast, but I need you guys to try to explain what you saw today. You guys were on the grounds. We were watching at home on TV. I can't even imagine the unspeakable things you witnessed today. I think you just stole my line. I didn't mean to.

It's okay. It's Porter is original line anyway it's going to just rip it off from him so uh... what was the origin of that line it was the speed thing the sweet one sweet uh... we came port and i went out and watch the top two in the water and it was like an hour before we get back to the uh... media center to gusta and when ported it is that i've seen that's big old things this is the it was a positive was unspeakable in a good way

so it was awesome out there was really so much fun to it was it was sort of surreal i mean there there are people it was it was kind of pandemonium there are people climbing trees i mean i you probably saw it on tv but every human being at the tournament had their phone up in the air trying to just...

And it wasn't even like... Like when people are recording this stuff, it's not like quality. They're not even like close to Tiger or to anybody that's playing. They just want this like sliver of history and just a glimpse of Tiger, you know, some of the other guys as well, but mostly Tiger. And, you know, I wrote this in my piece on Sunday night, but I've never, I think, been in a tournament where not only, I mean, obviously the galleries were like 15 and 20 deep, but

then the inside the ropes crew was like two or three deep. Like it was, it was a struggle struggle to see from inside the ropes, which was insane. Yeah, it was wild. Shout out to the PJ of America because normally inside the ropes, they're so mean and nasty. If you dare cross the fairway, if you're within a scape and arms link of the rope, they flip out like usj is really sort of at about that pj was just like whatever man like bell dreams awesome anybody was coming here is gonna be just erased and so I mean we were like I was sitting on the 17 t-box like two feet from Adam Scott and he's like looking at me like bro what are you doing here so great it was I mean I'm a

Porter's point about the phone thing. I'm hoping the opinion that there are exists in the world, like more blurry shitty pictures of Tiger Woods than any athlete has ever lived. So I'm not gonna, going into the week, I was definitely not envious of anyone being there at all. I think the bigger the event, the more fun it is to actually watch on television

just because it's so hard to choose the right group to follow or whatnot. But I just wanna know kind of what it was like for you guys to be on the ground. What did you follow? Cause I mean, a lot of people don't really realize when you're there, if you don't pick the right group, you've missed out on the day.

Like you've missed out on all the action. If you're hearing roars from other places and you probably don't get cell phone service out there, so you can't really tweet your way around it but I'm just just please tell me you guys were both with Tiger all day just please just tell me that I mean it's pretty accurate I peeled off a little bit for Brooks at the end I didn't see the birdie on 18 so KP off to sort of tell about that but I I was kind of told to go follow Brooks at one point by his piano.

I was like, I'm not missing this history though. This is history, baby. This might be worth losing my job for. For the record, I did my job. I wrote a great Brooks column, I think. But I was there for as much of Tiger. You just couldn't leave it, man. It was just, it was a magnet.

I was, I ran back and saw the wedge that he hit at 15, that almost dunked it. And it was a magnet I was I ran back and saw the wedge that he hit in the 15 that almost dunked it and it was the way he celebrated how we're talking about this like you couldn't tell if it was a mixture of like I'm happier or I'm so still angry about the bogey of 14 like you know it's thinking like if I just hadn't bogey that I would you know be like I would be thrilled right now because I'd be within one the lead but I don't know what it looked like for you But Kyle was a little bit closer. What did you think of? Well actually in terms of following people you guys didn't see this but when Tiger entered the arena this morning

I was actually off camera with my hat backwards and my Agent Killhouse reporting for duty. Only Tiger could show up with a backwards hat and like looking like a dad out of the late 1990s and everyone think it was cool. Like if Zack Johnson shows up looking like that, I'm also screenshot of it. Like, oh, look at this tool. Look at this. This is bullshit.

I mean, it was just so perfect. It was like, you know, I was humming glory days on the way to the course just like ready for it all to to play out and he somehow delivered me to to me like the fact that that was the lowest round that he's ever shot on a Sunday and a major you call this amazing yeah i did call it said to Kyle i said i think that this is the in the middle of the round i was like i think this is going to end up being the best round that he's ever shot.

I think he's shot 65 against Bob May. And I was like, I think this is gonna surpass that. And it did. And that's kind of where I rank this. I'm so hesitant to use the word historic yet, I somehow probably use it on pretty much every podcast, but this actually did feel like that. And I keep played good enough to win.

Like Brooks was just too good, but the guy shot 17 under on his last 70 holes. The fact that one other like superhuman guy beat him doesn't really mean that much to me. And we'll get to kind of kept here in a second, but like that was a, I was worthy of a victory. The guy was so unbelievably good with his irons,

especially today, that you know, I don't have no problem kind of putting that in a historical realm. I mean, this is kind of one of the greatest, I still think one of the greatest sports stories ever that the golf world is going nuts about, but I still feel like outside of the golf world, people are not fully realizing what is going on.

My feeling today, and I wrote this kind of about it, is that today was essentially our version of the 86 masters, except for this time Greg Norman just piped every drive down the middle and stripped every iron in the middle of the green. He, Kevgen just didn't blink, he just didn't wilt. There's a lot of ways, he's a lot like Norman that he's fitness-free, and he's got that cocky swagger to him,

but he kind of rises to the moment instead of wilts in it. And my god, imagine how many majors Greg Norman would have won if he just kind of was of rises to the moment instead of Wilson and like my god that can imagine how many majors kept up nor Greg Norman would want to be just kind of was like a badass in the moments that have served had some bad breaks and and kind of wilted yeah I think it's actually when you sort of juxtapose the open from the UK what do you call it the UK the UK British open presented by her majesty yeah Queen Victoria is British Open. When you sort of juxtaposed that to this, I mean, Tiger held the lead at the open,

and that was a huge deal, but it felt, this felt like a better performance, and it was a fuller performance because he did it up until the end. I told whoever I was with at the time, I think KVV was there. You could feel it coming down to what happened on the 17th poll. When Tiger got on the 17th, he knew it. He knew that he had to probably make Eagle there to have a shot. He took

forever over the ball and he took forever on the tee box. And he knew he had to hit a good drive there. And as soon as he hung it out to the right, he knew that was it. He knew that was the championship. But then to see him like, birdie on 18 was, man, that was, that was awesome. Like that. And I wrote like 9,000 words about this for CVS. But like just the fist pump on 18 was unbelievable. I mean, it felt like we were and there were glimpses of this all week.

He seemed his swings seem younger. He looked younger. I know I say this all the time. Like, can you skip this hat on? Yeah. Yeah. And it sounds absurd, but like he just the way he was swinging at this week was It was really it was incredible to watch and I did not see this performance coming in

I thought he had I thought there was a chance of him missing the cut based on how he played a fire show Who two holes look like a good mysticote. Yeah, it looked like a Ejection was coming and he just Delted together and then almost freaking wanted on Sunday. I mean yeah, he said this on Twitter I was like this is not a golf course that he should contend on. I mean, it's a lot of drivers on it The rough is pretty is very penal and all the holes bend right to left and he prefers to fade the ball off the tee Like he lost strokes to the field off the tee. He was negative strokes gain off the tee, lost point eight strokes, which isn't much,

but I mean, to win, you basically need to be positive in everything. Keppka gained five point eight shots off the tee. So he lost six and a half shots to Keppka off the tee and basically beat everybody else from everywhere else in. He was like 10th in strokes gain putting. He was first on Sunday in strokes gain approach. I mean, he hit the shit out of the ball

once he actually hit it in play. He shot 32 on the front today without hitting a fairway. I don't know if you could tell this on TV, but we were counting, we were talking about the last 36 holes. His tempo to me looked better than it has in 20 years. Like it was so buttery. It was the one question I kind of asked him on the week. I was like,

just, I don't, it doesn't make, I don't know, I didn't say it made any sense, but I was just like, what did that feel like to just feel like every ball, you were going to just completely flush. And he was like, yeah, I just, he was like, it just felt like I had the right distance on every club. Like I never had to hit a half club or step on it or whatever. And man,, if this tempo can continue, these absolutely gonna win a major again someday, because it just was, so it was like there was a metronome in his head.

It was beautiful. I mean, there was approaches today, the all, despite the fact that he's missing fairways right and left, every single one of his approaches was like inside a 10 feet in the first nine holes. It was nuts. I mean, he was, so something that Paul Azinger said to me a couple of months ago when we chatted,

we just kind of were chatting about his golf game and kind of decline. And he's like, you know what, it's just hard to stiff it. Like, I can't stiff it anymore. I can go out and play a good round, but there's such a difference between hitting it to five feet and hitting it to 20 feet. And he's like, I just can't stiff it anymore.

And I always felt like, I was like, if Tiger really comes back, is he really going to be able to absolutely stuff it? Is he going to get the yardage and line right to the degree that these guys have to do it enough to compete? And that is his biggest strength right now. It's the most important part of the game of golf, probably is your approach shot in degrees. And there's really no one better at it at him at it right now. It's absolutely astonishing. And I want to not spend the first 15 minutes of this talking,

not talking about the guy that won it, but I think we kind of have to. I think this is very well justified. He had over his last 27 holes. I think he had 17 looks at birdie from 21 feet in end. I mean, if we're joking to speak speak if rory hit his drives for him he would have shot fifty six like three days in a row i mean the places that rory was playing from and then make it shooting seventy

two like tiger would have hit those i mean it was the way the tiger was hitting his arms was just unbelievable that the fact that he was spraying it all with the driver and still scoring this surreal to me rory might hit it too far. He might. He honestly might. Like he had, if he's not spinning as well, he can't spin his wedges enough just because he flips it too far.

But I want to know, was any of you, either of you guys there on the third hole when he's stuffed it on the par three? Yes, we were both there. Yes. I don't know if the PGA championship Their highlight package their counter whatever if they juice the audio on that But I watch that tonight with headphones on I got the I've watched it 15 times. I'm not kidding I've never heard a roar like that. It sounded like a football game I mean is that what it sounded like in person? Yeah, it was it was unbelievable

I mean there were times when like i was trying to like yell something to kyle and you couldn't hear the yelling like over it was like writer couple out that sense i mean if you remember the writer cup where we would yell things to each other like oh my god you and you could barely hear your own voice and that was what it felt like during a couple of those big things that the crowd was awesome i mean it i was you know get a lot of

twitter fights with st louis and this week just because I was kind of, you know, knocked bellyve a little bit. But man, the crowd was unbelievable. The roar that happened when Tiger made the birdie on nine, maybe the loudest roar I've ever heard. And I wasn't even, I was like, just like way I was coming back to the greenhead, running to check the netter. so I didn't really get to see it in person but I may I felt the roar I could feel it vibrating in my chest. And there's he didn't up winning obviously. I think all of the excitement was completely and totally validated yet this time around

I there's not one real chance today as excited as I was I didn't think he was going to win. Did you guys think he was actually gonna win today? When he hit the shot on 15, and it almost fell, like he almost dunked it to tie it up, I thought he might win. That was the first time where I was like this, because even like, if we go back to the open,

I told, I can't remember, it was if it was on our chat or somebody else, there's so many text threads going on. I felt like he was going to fade at the open. And I didn't know if I felt like that today, but I certainly never at the open felt like, oh my gosh, he's going to win the open. But today, when he hit the shot on 15, I was like, he might win the PGA.

And I had not felt that all week. It was so hard though, because with Keppia starting three up, I thought Tiger had to shoot 64 better. And then he did. And I was like, wow, this is like, he would have shot, like we cannot overrate the fact that he went out and shot sixty four in the final round of him i don't

care if it was belory or uh... uh... hola or fifty five hundred yard st. Louis country club he shot sixty four in the final round of a major he i thought he might win until kept a hit a weapons great plutonium four iron to six feet on sixteen and and rolled that put it That was one of I would was standing behind the green for that shot and it was Stripped I mean it never left the flag. I think if this is 2000

I mean if this tap if that round he plays happens in 2008 he wins But there's just the talent levels in golf or just are just way too deep. I think if he does shot 62 today, he would have not have won outright. Yeah. You'd have been in a playoff. That just goes to show how insanely good Keppka was. But I mean, yeah, the tiger thing and that being on the ground, that's where I'm envious of you guys, just seeing how deep those crowds were.

And you mentioned it, Porter, I think when he's walking up 18 and that that ovation he got and that fist pump for when he made that putt and when he climbed the stairs up there. I was looking for you guys because I thought you might just be like running up to go hug him as he went up to find the stairs. But I get a quick picture. Tiger, look, I'm wearing my head backwards. Look, look, I'm wearing my head backwards. Look, look. I got the same thing as you. And just looking down and seeing that sea of people. I mean, that was, I don't know, man. There's not a ton about golf that really gets us all super excited. And today was as fun of a round of golf.

Even though we didn't win, I'm sitting here with a smile on my face thinking about the day of golf that we just had. You know what's weird too? It's so stagger. Like, he hugged around to hug Kepka after the round. And there was a couple times during the round when he did, like, he would walk through the sort of tunnels of, you know, to the next tee. And he was holding his hands out in like high five and little kids. And he was sort of laughing a couple times with the caddies and stuff. It was just a little bit different.

The intensity was still there, obviously, when he was super pissed on 17, but he was also I think enjoying it a little bit more. That was kind of neat to see of someone who's so obsessed with doing this kind of march towards greatness previously in his kind of past life. Now, I was able to kind of just enjoy it, like if this is all a little bit of bonus. Yeah, my favorite nuance on the grounds moment of the week was on 11 on Saturday.

He had this just filthy stinger off the tee. And he was leaning on his bag before it landed and it was like seven feet off the ground. And he had the monster bottle at his feet, which was hilarious, but he just kind of like put his arm, he put his forearm up on his driver, up on his clubs. And he just sort of, he sort of took it all in. Like everybody, there's nobody behind him.

Everybody's kind of out in front of him on number 11 and he just was looking around and you could tell he was thinking like It's pretty awesome. Like this is pretty awesome and I Remember what this used to be like and and it just you can tell it It invigorated him and I don't know how it couldn't with how many people there were and it invigorated him. And I don't know how it couldn't with how many people there were and the way they were reacting to everything. But that moment for me really stood out

in terms of just the way that we perceive tiger and he perceives everyone else. And I don't care how obvious this is at this point or at the fact that I'm gonna, I'm gonna mention this at every walk like I have so far this year and I'm going to continue to in the future. This wasn't supposed to happen.

We weren't supposed to have any of this. All of us had moved on, I think, kind of mentally, and kind of looked at him as kind of a side show. And I'm guaranteeing in his head, he had to think that this was not gonna happen. At no point in the last two years, that it really feel like he was really confident that this kind of thing would ever happen again.

And you know what I mean? We got just some like bottom common denominator people on Twitter like lowest common denominator people are like, oh, we didn't win. What are we focusing on? I'm 95% people mostly get it. But it's like, man, this is, and if I said, you know, if somebody said that he had two top tens in majors this year, would you believe that before the start of the year? Like, if he'd played in all four majors, I think that'd have been like a 50-50 bet.

Yeah. He just reset the expectations like so quickly. You know, I can remember doing a pod with Bacon and Bacon in a year and being like, you know, all I want to see is him like play in all the tournaments that he wants to play in and not have to like skip some because of injury. And you know, make some cuts and that's's about it that's what my expectations were and then all of a sudden like he's in competitive at Valsburg is competitive at Honda and Bay Hill and is like oh my god like I mean I went from being like the number one tiger like

cautious skeptic to be like come on like let's you know let's just slow our roll a bit this to being like oh oh my god, he's gonna win the math, thers! I was shaming. Is that Elmo? That might have been Elmo. Oh, Togor! Togor! The only, listen, you're not gonna get any, I told you so, it's from Togor.

The only I told you so, or for me on Tiger. The only I told you so I'll give you is the constant, but what if he won? That I would have mostly jokingly throw in over the course of the years, but now it's like a very real thing. I know people are gonna kinda point towards the putt on 11 that needed one half of a revolution to fall

and the putt on one that looked like it had to go down. I don't think you can really point at that because I mean, he made everything he looked at. He made absolutely everything today. The three put on 17 on Saturday really, really hurt. But one little nugget I got, I talked to JT a little bit and he said the coolest moment of the day for him was when he had his birdie putt on 11. He said after he almost killed a person and kicked 20 yards left. He was reading his putt and they put Tigers birdie up on the board there on 11 and everyone went nuts

and then he made the plot on top of it. But a competitor in the event is who's trying to beat this guy, like thought that was a really cool moment when they put the birdie up on the board and everyone went nuts. Capca, I think he even said, you could hear the roars when Tiger made a birdie and then you could hear it like trickle around the golf course when they would post the score

Insane is that By the way, that's an irresponsible leaderboard management To put a birdie up right before JT's trying to put my gosh, I think it's intentional But talking about the tiger just not knowing if he was going to be able to play. I mean, think about our conversations 150 days ago. They were, man, are we sure about his back? And that was so deep in our consciousness. And now we're talking about, okay, well, what club is he going to hit in here? Can he turn over a draw?

And to me, that's so much more refreshing that we're talking about the actual on-course golf and the type of shots that he's hitting and what, you know, should he be using this putter or that putter, then, you know, is his fuse spine going to hold up over the course of a season? Think about the beginning of the week when someone was arguing that he should be like a vice captain and a rider cup instead of being a player. That was next up my last porter. You got ratioed man. You're gonna have to, you're gonna have a lot of explaining to do here. Yeah so I told KVB. I literally cannot have picked a worst day in 2018 to send out that

tweet. You could not have picked a worst thing to say. I wouldn't worry about the date you chose it. No but it, it was supposed to be kind of a, like a tip of the Captain Tigers. Not only Tiger's skills as a captain, but Finau's skills as like a birdie machine. So Fida was at the time was like making tons of birdies. You don't have to take an end. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Just own it. It's like my rugby tweet tweet. Well for those that didn't see it. Let's tell people what you said You want me to say it out loud. Oh, yeah, I do You're gonna wear this like a scarlet letter. Well, so he just dropped back a little bit I was talking to KVV and media dining. We. We were rehearsing Keppga, DJ, Ryder Kepp celebrations, like Bosh Brother celebrations, like literally rehearsing them in media dining to the higher golf media everywhere.

But during that, I said, you know what? I think maybe I'm good with like, being a captain's pick and Tigers being a vice captain. And my point was that if Tigers' vice captain, he's the actual captain. And I think he's super into that. And it's an awesome thing. And the guys on the team worship him and we'll do whatever he says. And I just think you provide so much value there.

And KVV agreed with me at the time. Yeah. He did. uh... agreed with me at the time you did did not throw himself in front of me encourage me even and it festured in my head and finally i was like you know what this term is boring i'm just gonna start firing takes out there on twitter and ever a good idea

i chose a bad time and a just a real bad moment to throw it in. In toward his fence, I think we can all agree that Tiger would never pair like Bubba and Webb together and just let that pairing kind of shit the bad at the right of Cup. Tiger would just figure out a way to get something out of the two of them. And perhaps Will someday, when he's captaining at Beth Page or whatever but I understand the sentiment behind it and obviously doesn't look great and retro. I do own it I'm gonna leave it up I'm gonna make fun of myself I'm fine with that that's the only way to make this stuff go away this is what I've

learned so. I've printed it actually I want to I'm gonna live ratio to get a little higher and I'm gonna print it and hang it in the kill house. Well, you, we actually give it to, give it to JT to hang in the, in like the team room. At the right. That would be, it would be great. All right. All right, KVV, I didn't warn you on this,

but I have a question for you that you're going to have to help me out with. And we're going to do this live. OK. I want to hear how your golf game's games been lately what you've got in the bag and i hear you've been on a little bit of run and i need to hear some details on that what um this is a live ad read is what i'm telling you okay well uh... i have been uh... plan pretty well with the uh... caley rog uh... caley rog three would and uh... apex irons and uh... i've been shooting in the seventies uh... playing pretty well with the Callaway Rogue, Callaway Rogue 3 wood and Apex Irons. And I've been shooting in the 70s. What's your golf ball of choice? Chrome soft and playing with an Odyssey 7 now. And so, I mean, honestly, I haven't ever played this well in my life

on this stretch and didn't play particularly great at St. Louis Country Club on Tuesday where I got a chance to play there, amazing track, but normally like at my home club, I'm a flirtant with breaking 80 every time. So pretty excited about the way that I'm hitting the ball. That's good to hear. I'm supposed to tell you as well that as much as I did enjoy my apex irons, I'm rocking the X-forge right now. And I honestly, I do feel a bit like Tiger hitting them. Like, the way he looks and feels over the ball, that's kind of how I feel. I slightly different results, but I feel a little bit transformed by the X-forge irons in the Chrome soft golf

ball. Yeah, there's part of me that wants to try the X-forge irons. I don't feel like my game is quite at even close to your level, but you know, those things are so forgiving. It's almost like I might have to just give my. They really are very forgiving. I thought they would be, I thought they were, you know, they're kind of a launch iron and that wasn't that appealing to me, but I am actually in love with them. All right, I think it might be time to actually talk about the winner of the 100th BGA championship at Bel Rief. All right. I think it might be time to actually talk about the winner of the 100th BGA championship at Bel Rief. All right. Who would you like us to go first? I just wanted

to mention that it was Bruce Capco. We can move. I heard it was Bruce Cooper. It was television box. McCord did it again today, which was just special, really. We're not going to do broadcast stuff because you know what, they handled the in ridiculous drama this weekend actually pretty solidly so I just have a few correct that has something to do with it and I think it's like maybe the 20th biggest storyline of the week. I got a couple numbers I'm gonna throw to you guys with Kepp goes you guys can can heat your takes up. We know this now he's won three of the last six majors he's played in. I actually kind of forgot that he skipped the masters this year.

He has been in the top five in six of the 20 majors he's played in. That's 30% of them. And now see if you can follow this. So he's played in 20. He's missed the cut in two. In two of them he finished T70 and T67. And in two others, he finished T33 and T39. So that's six of the 20 majors.

In the other 14, his worst finish is a T21. Woo! Yeah. Big game hunter. And a lot of people are kind of throwing, I'm kind of trying to wrap my head around it to the whole like one He's won one PJ tour event now one three majors. Is there any real explanation for that? Like is it part of me thinks like he just really truly doesn't care and like at some point

He's actually gonna even get bored with winning majors, but what is the what could possibly be the explanation for that? He said today we're talking a little bit about it, not personally, but in the press comments. And he had the gym. We were getting a lift session and like 15 minutes for his tea time. No, he said, I don't know exactly why it is, but I just feel a lot more focused when I come to major. I've just taken everything more seriously.

And I thought, I don't think this was shade at all towards any of the other younger guys, but he was like, I don't mess around when I come to major. I don't like stay with friends. I just stay in a house with my brother and my coach. And I just watch TV and I don't do anything, but try to focus on the task at hand. And it may be kind of like, you know, we laugh about all these guys having a fun house,

table, and having dinners and all this stuff and goof around, whatever. And I think Brooks kind of likes like, you know, we laugh about like all these guys having a fun house table and having dinners and all this stuff and goof around whatever. And I think Brooks kind of likes just maybe isolating himself for majors and just completely zeroing in and, you know, figuring out a way to destroy a golf course. Yeah, I haven't, I have no idea why I went back and looked at that, but I think he's one three of, three of 20 majors and one of 80 regular PGA tour events. And that seems irreconcilable to me. Here's the theory that I think is probably accurate. Is it like when it's harder, like the variance that of all the people that are able to sort

of compete is not quite as large. So if a lot of people can make parties, then he's not necessarily going to rise to the top in that sense. There was something interesting today that I've read that, like, if all tournaments were 90 holes, like Tiger would have won a lot more tournaments because he just had more chances for, I think it was Bamberg writing about Zoysigras and he was sort of saying, which is an amazing aside, but he was saying, you know, that the more chances that great Ball Streckers get to sort of shine, the better the kind of the cream is going to rise. And so in instances of

You know majors where everything is hard and every shot you have to execute and you can't get away with this much stuff That he's going to naturally be a little bit better than he normally would be, because, you know, if, I don't know, like, Jada and Blake are home average, so there's like an internament. Jada, but he can't just pull the name out of it, you know. Let's just throw a shout out to Jada, but like, let's throw it like a totally random person who you wouldn't ever think of winning a major, you know, hits a shot that goes offline, it might not be punished nearly as much, and that person still might be able to make a par or even a birdie in a regular tour event

But at a major like if you go offline You know you might be completely dead you might be looking at double bogey and in those instances Brooks doesn't hit as many offline and anyone he does He's so strong that he can sort of hit it up onto the green anyway and turn that into a par so I think That's my working theory about why he's sort of generally better is because this, not only the stakes are higher, but it's harder, and so he's just going to rise to the top more often. Why do you guys think that people seemingly have a hard time getting excited about Broke's Kebka? It's kind of been the question of the weekend, I think, in the media center and among people

who think about these things often, I think that he is not, I don't know, KVV and I were talking about this, like when we think about Jordan's speech and Rory McLeary. We think of people that whether they win or lose we care about it and it's incredibly engaging and I don't know that I have a great explanation. I think that I think that we have caught a glimpse of those guys' minds and the way that they think about golf and the way they think about even the world. And I think we are intrigued by the way that they, and I'm talking about Speak and Rory, the way that they think and play and react to things. And I think with Keppga, it's so at times robotic.

Even if he doesn't mean for it to be, it just is perceived that way, it comes off that way. And I think when he doesn't give you a glimpse into the way that he thinks or he doesn't provide, I don't think very many human moments. And I think because of that, sometimes we're not as drawn to him as we might be by other guys.

Yeah, I think it's kind of a cyclic, I don't want to call it a fallacy, but kind of a cyclical thing in that we find ourselves caring about speed and rory, which drums up more interest on it, which kind of gives, like all of us people in the media, the feedback on it, that makes us want to keep talking about it, which raises the profile even more. And those guys have earned it. I mean, they, you know, four and three majors, you you know, speeds 25 years old, Royes with 28, 29. So that, that is justified. But I just kind of wonder too, like, why? And I get it. He just, he puts off his five. And he says a lot of things like he doesn't love golf. And he calls people golf nerds. I don't know if that's a direct

quote. And just kind of an overall acts a bit too cool for golf. But I mean, I feel like the people Americans have been starved for a like a young, like, brutish player to come up and really exceed on the big stage and be a great team player in team events. And he's here and I feel like it's just kind of like, and at the same time along the different lines, Patrick Reed, like wins the Masters, he's along the different lines, Patrick Reed wins the Masters,

he's 27, 28 years old, whatever, wins the Masters in American. And that was like a let down for a lot of people. I just find it interesting that we have two, like really, the two Americans that won majors this year. I feel like in this country, it's just not nearly as, it's not very well celebrated. I just, is it justified?

I don't know. I guess people can't really control the way they react to things or what they get excited about. But I just find the whole thing kind of interesting and the kind of the theory of tiger might be the only thing that actually matters. Well, I think the other part of it is that we are drawn to debating about things and we're drawn to arguments and we're drawn

to... and I don't even mean in like a skit bailiffs kind of way. I mean in a intellectual fun kind of way. And I think that sort of the poster boy for that is Ricky Fowler. Like, Ricky is interesting because you can pick a side and argue about it and there's there's something there and with Kevka I don't There there might be something there to argue about but it seems like he's just like There's just like one side of like I always get majors and yet about it like it doesn't it doesn't really feel like a fully formed Entity like where you can get on both sides and really argue it out.

He said some mish think is the press conference that I thought were sort of, you know, I don't think it was with the him trying to soften his image, but he said that he, when he missed the masters this year, he was sitting around on his couch and he said I wasn't quite depressed but I was definitely down and it made me realize that I really do love golf and I love the competition and I wanted so badly to get back out there. And it was the first time I think I'd heard him say I really do love golf. And so I think some of it what he was sort of the way he came across was kind of maybe gimmick and some of it was kind of like

just sort of feeling still slighted of like you know I'm the US Open Champion and no one seems to sort of respect me. And I think some of that is true. He's right. As a media member, I need to do a little bit better job of getting to know Brooks and trying to use whatever skills I have as a reporter to draw a little bit more out of him so that people get to know the real him. But it's also a two way street.

I think that he needs to do a little bit more in terms of what you know what worry Well part of the reason we're so infatuated with Phil and Rory and spieth and even tiger is they do a really good job of Explaining golf like no one is smarter about telling you about golf than Jordan is he's just so good at Putting you inside his head and explaining this is why I want to hit that shot and this is why this one Sweet where's Brooks is often a lot like know, just hit the shot right there. And that, you know, it was a good shot. He's not, yeah, there's not deeply like analytical and intellectual about it.

And I don't think that Brooks is in any way dumb. I think that he's actually pretty smart. But I think that he's kind of private and he's a little bit guarded. And he doesn't really like love the idea of sort of sitting there and going on and on the way that Rory and Jordan can. And so if you want to be a little bit more embraced by the Clawed Harmon was complaining his coach was complaining a bit about no one requested him after he shot at 69 in the first round. It's defending US Open Champion. Well guess what? From now on in every major I'm going to request to talk to Brooks like

we do with Jordan and like we do with Phil and like we do with Worry because I want to hear his thoughts on the golf course. I want to press him a little bit and say like if this is something that you want, then I'm willing to play ball with it because I do think that you are perhaps like one of the really great players in maybe in the history of this game. If he went in 10 majors who, you this game if you want me to say when it's 10 meters who you know Who how could you say no, but you know he has to be willing to kind of play ball in that sense too, and I don't know that he has We'll see he hasn't he hasn't Embraced like you don't have to let everybody in I don't think you should but everybody in but I don't know if he's let anybody in

Yeah, and and it feels like he hasn't really embraced anybody that is able to sort of convey his story or bridge the app. And I also think there's something that's an intangible. Like, there's nothing that I can do to explain why Jordan's speech is interesting to large masses of people. Like, I mean, there's a million reasons, but there is an intangible reason that is unexplainable.

And speed has it, and Kebke, we probably doesn't. And I, that's just sort of how it is. And I feel like we always have to find answers, or try to find answers with all this stuff. And sometimes it's just who the person is. And it's, and it will go unexplained forever. On that note, kind of, how do we, this interesting question we talked about in the live show

too, is how does that really compare in your guys' minds to DJ? I feel like DJ is a bit more love. We have a lot more of a history with DJ. It's a top, kind of a tricky question. The more I think about it, the more I don't know the answer to it. Whose career would you rather have? DJ with like 18 wins in one major, Brooks with four wins on the PGA tour and three majors. Right now I'd rather have Brooks's. I mean, DJ doesn't seem truly bothered by having failed in some big moments, but I think in some ways that's a little bit what makes dj a little bit more love disease like he's screwed up in a lot of ways and so a lot of people sort of feel like there's

a little bit of you know humanist to him or books can i think is so good and hasn't really had any kind of failure in a big moment that it seems a little bit robotic and so you know we feel like we know dj we've like some completely blow it at pebble you know the average ten years ago like some would blow it at whistling we saw him completely blow it at Pebble, you know, the average about 10 years ago like some blow it at Whistling

We saw him finally overcome some of that at Oakmont and I don't know I just Brooks really want to like have gone all around the world in one like you know the Northern Trust and one in Capilluma like I don't know that he really cares like it doesn't seem to make like a huge difference to him Maybe he would like it But does it really make that big of a difference in your bank account or your overall happiness? Well, I thought about it. I think like the answer from a media and like historic perspective, I think is Keppka, but if I'm like on a personal level, like DJ's top five in earnings

all time on the tour has one 18 times times like I think the better career is DJs I think that's and we can tend to overrate majors when that it's the most exciting thing to us and it is what really matters to us But to those guys and I know it means a ton to those guys to win majors and that's what they grind for but I think that gap is a little bit closer than maybe The fan level of caring is at does that make sense? Yeah. I think people love DJ though because he just seems kind of chill like he just seems like he's at.

It's not as kind. Capca I don't think has like quite that same vibe. Capca has a vibe of like, yeah man like this is should is easy. Like you know, I mean like, you know, it's the way, I mean, like, you know, but isn't that what we love? Like isn't that as a person who consumes sports? Like, don't we sort of love that cocky like, yeah, this is easy.

This is, it's like the mad Damon thing. Yeah. You know, for some, yeah, the DJ, our DJ tweeted that this week, but there's, there is something different to it. When DJ does it, it does in Johnson, it's much more casual and I don't care. Whereas with Keppka, it just seems a bit more intense and more like, I'm telling you, I don't care if that makes sense. Absolutely.

I'm sure DJ does workouts because he's sort of told to do some workouts. He's like, okay, we of told to do some workouts. Like, you know, like, okay, you know, this is what we got to do or work out today. Whereas Brooks is like, bro, like we got to get a workout in. Like this is rip off a bunch of clean-in jerks right here right now in the hallway of this hotel. I don't even care. Like, that's, that to me is Kebka's vibe. I can't, well, I just want to, I just want to want the only gloating I'll do on Kebka's. I invented that guy four years ago

I think Can I get an assist on that? Oh, of course. It was a tag team thing I forget what did we used to we were our the first the fantasy team that you and I co-capt in together Yeah, like night place Well our first round draft pick was Brooks Kppka, like in 2015, which was, we're ahead of our time. We are ahead of our time, which was absolutely absurd. And then he won like his first event in your play.

I just like to say, someday, historically, we're going to look back and see that JT was kept off of a writer cup team for Ryan Moore. And Brooks was kept off of a president's cup team for Simpson. No, no, no, no, no, the captain's son, which was Bill Haas and JB Holmes. It's still astonishing to me. It used to be my favorite stat, Patrick Reed's never finished top 10 in the major. Now, as of right now, it is Justin Thomas has never played on a Ryder Cup. inexplicable. My favorite is that the US Ryder Cup team, one 17 to 11, and didn't have Tiger or JT on the team.

So, we're fiend now. Let's not forget fiend now. I don't know if fiend now is going to be there. This, either though, it's going to get, it's going to be interesting. I know we got the top eight have been finalized, and we kind of did a Ryder Cup podcast recap a couple of weeks ago that prognosticated on the captain's picks.

I don't think enough has changed at this point. I think it's Tiger and Phil are obviously locks from what I've gathered. Coacher is going to be a lock. And then that fourth spot, I don't think anybody's knocked down the door enough to knock Bryson out of that spot that's supposedly Tiger once for him. Bryson hasn't had a great last month.

I think that Ben Karn, who's the PGA professional? Karn. Ben Karn. Ben Karn. Ben Karn made the Ryder Cup team. What would he react? Oh, shit. That sounds great.

Don't be there. You think you can get me some pants, it's fit. That sounds amazing. How about a runner-cup bucket hat? I like it. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Mint Carn was like low-key, like amazing all week. He was, I was secretly doing what I thought

was the Ben Carn impression just by looking at Ben Carn and turns out I saw him give an interview with the man it's today and I was like, yeah, it's pretty close to accurate. What would Chris Cheney's asking about? He wants to hear Gary Van Volkenplayers thoughts on Brooks, but first what does Gary think about Ben Kern? Dear God man, it's a teaching professional. We need to get nutrition professional, if all lies.

I want to take that young man under my wing and make him run gasses every morning, all the way up the fifth railway, and then all the way back to the tee, and then he hit his shorts, and then he'll run down and get it and hit it again. And what do you think of Brooks? I mean, Brooks looks to be in a pretty good physical condition, Mr. Plague. Oh, thank God, another fatty didn't win a championship. After Jason Duffner, I was a bit concerned as a direction the game was going. But now a fine fitness freshman is as our PTA champion and our US

Hupin champion. I'm not a member of the United States, but it makes me feel patriotic to see someone that fit holding that trophy. Oh, I think he's taking on Mr. Players' gluten-free diet that's served him very well. No gluten at all, of course. Just, you know, animal parts and vegetables. I just want to say, God, I can't recover from that.

Today was probably the most lit the kill house has ever been during a viewing of an event. We kind of still thought it was soda. We didn't really talk much about Adam Scott. I mean, that was kind of an out of nowhere performance. And Tron's tweet of, if you have two putters, you don't have one that just ruined my day. That's slayed me.

You're your tweet of uh... and scott but to knives to a gunfire i was i was literally trying to watch tiger what when is fifteen major walking the fairways of belire thinking about that i would say to point out that i saw and scott on the putting green with the short putter last night and i was like this cannot be real like he cannot be debating

the putter change the night before trying to win a major and i brought it up in our chat and like everyone's like oh no no devol thinks it's just the drill like he's he's not really gonna like switch putters or whatever and i was like i don't know like seems like he's really like grinded over this and then we should have the explaining with two putters like one for and I didn't even see did he use the short putter much like seem like he was mostly doing the long putter so you

must have just decided at some point like all right I'm good with whatever this well I think the short putter was for long putts and the long putter was for short putts but I think he just used a long putter for everything he didn't have a putter for five footers with the tournament on the wall. Oh, God. Man, that's the shot you're going to take after that performance from Adam Scott. I mean, quarter, I thought you were more highbrow than that. Well, I told KVV. That was a good one. That was a good one.

I told KVV. He goes, he came up to me on 18 because I was watching Tiger and he was falling Scott and Keppga. And they had shown Scott's misput on 17 on the on the big jumbo tron on 18 and he walked up and goes yeah Scott he just missed a short one and I said well maybe he needed three putters and not but what do you decide like okay this but the short putt no wait what's the distance is it like 25 feet is that that a long putter in short?

I'm just, I'm ready for the 20, 28 masters when Phil plays with eight drivers and six putters. It's actually not that hard of a decision. And it hits third driver, sixth driver. Phil actually still, I think, toggles between the pencil grip and a normal handed grip. So I don't know.

Phil's the only putter, I think's livin' like kind of good at putting who will literally change grips within the middle of a round. Yeah, I don't understand how that works. I'm getting on a dive into some questions here. Kent Tessier wants to know when the last time you guys heard Roars like today was. I mean, it's gotta be Ryder Cup. That's the only time I think we would clearly compare it. The Rory Patrick Reed match. i mean it's got to be right or cut that's the only time i think we would clearly compare it the rory uh... patrick read match uh...

we you know couple count i didn't really cover any of tiger's prime uh... by the time i think i was covering majors he was in the midst of you know back troubles and so uh... you know i think i can't really compare it like to two thousand eight or whatever but i would definitely say uh... that was the Ryder Cup. Yeah, I think so. I would even say like some of the some of the masters that I went to before I was covering golf. What was the masters that Tiger and Phil played together and they both

went out in like 31 or whatever? That I think was like like oh nine maybe that was this that was probably as a lot as I've ever heard any golf tournament other than the rider cup and this one this one's up there the shadow he hit on nine that big hook he hit to like 10 feet. I mean people were people were losing their minds. Yeah, I mean people were running around everywhere and he was just he was pandemonium and it was pretty cool I mentioned those highlights earlier and I kind of realized that I didn't hear the crowd noise earlier because every putt He made we just started screaming at the top of our lungs Trill loud yells getting up dancing trundered the ray Lewis dance at one point I'm pretty sure dancing. Tronded the Ray Lewis dance at one point, I'm pretty sure. Did you got Nick or dog fan 1978 wants to know? He wants to ask about Shipnuck's story.

Have you guys read it yet? I haven't read it yet. I think I know a little bit what it's referencing. I read the little excerpt that I think you shared about how Keppka's really kind of still angry at golf.com for not putting Joey D, the trainer, and on the cover of the magazine, because that was sort of the original discussion that Alan was going to do a story about Brooks and about DJ, if they basically agreed to do it because it was going to talk about their training regimen and joe dee. And I know from talking now that the full intention was always to put the three of them on the cover and then the photographer shot it in a way that was just really difficult because

those two guys are really tall and joe dee isn't. And so they ended up just having to use a shot that was of the two players and and Keppka I think is fiercely loyal and was just upset about it and so when Alan asked him a question in the press conference tonight Brooks basically iced him and basically you know gave a two word answer and didn't even look him in the eye whereas he was you know for him, like engaging with other reporters. So it's kind of, it's too bad. I mean, it's really the best, I think, long-form golf rider that we have, and maybe one of

the best players are sort of in an openly weird feud, but who knows. The part about it that shocked me the most was at Chinnacock. I never heard the story of, uh, I guess Chipmunk was asked not to ask a question in the presser and then, uh, Kepka saw him sitting in there after winning the US Open and pointed at him and said, you out and tried to kick him out of the press conference. It's cold-blooded. It honestly sounded like I'm kind of a misunderstanding of sorts. And maybe there's more there, but that's, that it. Yeah, there's more there, but that's... Yeah, there has to be more to that, I would think. I mean, I look, I like work fine, but I'm not at all on the side of any player who thinks they can throw people out of a press conference,

because... Yeah, I'm saying, I mean, I think that's bogus, and I would say that to Berks' face. I don't go there, Kyle. Don't go there. Don't try to trap me and get me in trouble. Moving on. I don't know this guy. At Brendan Perrath, once in a how is Kevin handling the T35 from Billy? I'm not sure if I should tell the story or Porter should tell the story. I think I'll give it to Porter. So at the PGA Championship, you get a card that they very generously give you a free shirt from the merchandise tent.

Well, Kevin forgot his the first five days of the event. And so he comes on Saturday, gets a shirt or he comes on Friday, gets his shirt, he's wearing it on Saturday. And we're good. Sure. Yeah, it's a great looking shirt. Ralph Lauren. Yeah.

Yeah. And so we're walking on the 11th hole right after Tigers just disgusting stinger. And I said, I said, did you know you have a Billy Horsesho logo on the back of your shirt? And it just says says be ho. And he goes, no I did not. This was my PGHM handship shirt that I was, that I picked up at the merchant ice tent and I took a picture of it for him and he was like, wow, I guess I have to ride for Billy Horsesho for the rest of the year. I think that's the punishment. It's for one year. I have to be like a huge Billy Hofen.

Oh, I like that. Yeah. So I mean, Billy, if you're out there, we ride, baby. Yeah. Porter, I need to ask you too. I think your man Carson, Cunningham, wanted me to ask if you got roasted by Rory this week. Yeah, so I like K can't be so this so

this is the when people ask like why do we like rory and wise brook's like you know a little bit uh... sort of we're slower to embrace him in the middle of a major championship in which it's on friday so rory still like potentially in this he hits a a pretty good shot into i want to say like eight or something and then and misses

a bird putt but and as he's walking to nine he spots Porter and he looks at Porter wearing these sweet dad socks that he's got going on there about halfway up the calf. He says to Kyle you look like you're about to go pay federal, aren't you? And, uh, and I was like, yep, let's do it. And, you know, that's just Rory. Like in the middle of major, he will spot a media person the who he's friendly with and he will give him shit. So I did confront him in a locker room. It was a real, it was a real kept-get-ship-knock situation.

No, it wasn't. I've talked to him in the locker room and I said, you're coming at me about my dad's talk. You start having kids and we'll see what kind of sucks you're wearing. He goes, it was a little much. It was a little strong for me. And I said, well, you know, I apologize. Elliot Smith wants to know, is Porter addicted to cigarettes now?

I felt like a needed one in the middle of that round. I've never had a cigarette, but if I was going to have my first one, it would have been today. It should have been today. So we were, not really, didn't talk about a much on the podcast, but kind of in Twitter and on the live show, on our end, we were pretty tough on Belrieve coming into the week. What was your guys kind of stance on the golf course

before the week, how it played for the tournament, and how you left feeling about it? Here's my final take on this for the week. And I think I finally formed this today in the same way that we lean into the US open as this preposterous, difficult, just absurd event that we know is gonna go badly in some way. I think we all have kind of leaned into that

over the last few years, because you can go the other way and just complain about it and whine and like you know they've lost they've lost the course but I think I think we've all learned to lean into that I think in the same way there's an opportunity to lean into PGA championships that are like you just know that it's going to this easy course that probably is not memorable, but that is going to produce a really good leaderboard because guess what, any course right now produces a really good leaderboard at a major because there's so many great players. And I think that there's an opportunity to lean into that.

And I think what overwhelmed the course being whatever mediocre was how good the galleries were, the fans were. I mean, that was my biggest takeaway was like, and Tiger said it, he's like, I can't wait to come back here. And guess what, they are going to come back here because it was awesome being out there. And part of that was Tiger, part of that was him playing well. But there were enormous amounts of people all over the course. And I was kind of taken of back and blown away by that. Yeah, I mean, I was a little bit critical of the course and I think the criticism is still justified.

Like, there isn't a lot of strategy. You only could play it one way and this isn't just like me, you know, eight handicapper saying that, it's over and over throughout the year, the players were essentially, or excuse me, throughout the week, the players were like, you know, I'm not going to say there's no strategy, but, you know, there's no strategy. And like, there isn't really any indecision, like, you're not ever trying to like worry about what club to hit. And those are all like real quotes.

And Speed's saying, you know, like, there's just not a lot of like trouble around the greens, which takes away some of my advantages. Like, all of those things are true, which takes away some of my advantages. All of those things are true, but we also, I think, said all throughout the time that it could still produce a great tournament. I think that when you have all holes that are kind of similar and most of them bent to the left, it's just kind of like every single guy was just taken driver or taken iron on the short ones.

And there wasn't really kind of any thought to it. It was just like, all right, it's right in front of you. That's what we're going to go after. Now, Kyle's right, like the crowds are just awesome. And so I think that what I was sort of hoping is that like people of St. Louis could sort of separate the two, is like, you all turned out and we're great, great fans this week. That doesn't mean that the course is like a great course. It still produced a great championship.

But I also think, and this is true, I think I was thinking a lot about this and the way that Kyle is thinking about it. I think we need to be a little bit careful in letting some of our kind of snobbery like permeate the way that we look at some of the majors. Like I think we all know, we think about golf and care about golf more than at some of the majors. Like I think we all know, we think about golf

and care about golf more than 99% of the people. And they don't really care about a redan or a roadhole or a beeritz the way that we might because we are constantly sort of looking for those kind of courses to play and trying to appreciate what they mean historically and stuff. And so as people who are sort of kind of in the media, we need to appreciate that some

people just want to watch any kind of golf. And they're not really, I think it would be great if they did educate themselves enough and care enough to understand like what does make a good golf course. But you know, that shouldn't really be our focus too much because it can kind of really come off as really snotty in the long run. I'm with you on that. I do think that probably people listening to this and following us are at least in that kind of 5%

that do care about this. Now, there's definitely people listening to this that are sick of us talking about it, what not. I think what we've maybe been even most guilty of in myself, maybe most guilty of is kind of explaining why some of this stuff matters or getting the point across. I don't mean explaining as if I know and somebody else does it, but for me, it's just not that interesting to watch guys play target golf. I didn't just kind of be able, all those holes that dog leg left and that kept kick and hit cuts and still land them in the fairway and have it stop.

I don't think that's very good test of golf. I just think that it's way, and a lot of things are out of the, you know, the superintendents and the set-ups control, like it's the course of soft. They've gotten a lot of rain that they knew that they were going to a very humid place in August, and that's the way it was going to play. I think it was, what's important is that guys get tested in different ways and have to play different styles. And I look back, it's so easy to point at car newsty as being a great example in the way that

played firm, but just the way that third hole played and the way that sixth hole played where it's like, all right, on the sixth, if you want to take, take it near the out of bounds and go through that lane, that's fine. But if you want to bail right, you're going to be in these pop bunkers probably and that probably not be making birdie. There was just none of that consideration at all that kind of goes into that design and into the setup. It's like hit it long and straight to here.

Now flush an iron right at the flag and land it close to it. Now listen, this provided incredible drama. There's nothing I would have, other than tiger winning, there's nothing I would have changed by that tournament. Like that was awesome. It created a theater. I think they're fortunate that it worked out that way. And it's, it was not a guarantee and Tiger being involved in it, just gonna throw every other anything else out the window. Nothing that nothing else matters. So maybe we do oversate the importance, but I also think it's like part of the game of being tested

wasn't really there this week. A lot of long hitters rose to the top, the same way they do on a lot of PGA tour setups that are set up for the bombers and favor just the long hitters that wanna be able to stop it where they want to. So that's kind of where it is a negative for me. Now if we get an exciting tournament like that,

like just, I tweeted this today, I said, the masters is known for the page entry. The US open is known for the brutality, the open for the history, and the PGA, just give me all of the cocaine, gul of it, like that's what that, that's what today felt like, just give me all the drugs,

that I don't care about anything else. I heard you guys talking about this on the live show, I think Friday or Saturday, I think it was Saturday night. And it was like just set it up to put 60 in play, you know? Yeah. Just lean into who you are as a tournament. And if that's just outrageous scores, then so be it. You know, and I don't know.

You can probably go too far the other way. But I think that for the people that are like, I've learned to love the USO. And I think we all have for what it is, but for the people that hate it, it's like, okay, well then go watch the PGA because it's the exact opposite. It's amazing that no one, like, Wizcapcus performance this time really that different than what he did at Aaron Hills. Like, he'd bludgeon the ball, he hit it, you know, great. And it's like, because, but one was called the US Open,

one was called the PGA, people claimed to say were annoyed at one and they were sort of embracing this. And so that's a good point. Yeah. I mean, I think the way that I always sort of explain this is the golf course thing to people of like, with different styles and different ways. Like, what's the most really stunning performance

that's really ever happened in our lifetime? As Tom Watson, almost winning the British Open at 59. Well, he didn't play the same way that Stuart Sink or that, you know, any of the other sort of big like guys in their prime did then. He was able to run the ball long ground and he was able to do different kinds of stuff. And that's what makes golf fun is that you can be standing on a tee with someone and you might be of equal ability, but you might have totally different styles of playing it and that sort of links golf allows and that's what's

neat and this there's no way like a 59 year old person could have competed in this championship in any way shape or form. It's doing same. It's 45. I think he's a little old with Tiger. How great would it be if Stuart sing the tiger and ruin the two of Made for an easy story Dream killer will

Will Gray had a really good tweet He said the following can all be true at the same time PGA offers high drama and crowns major worthy champions PGA trails other three majors and interest and intrigue were the champions, PGA trails, other three majors and interest in intrigue, Belri produced a stacked leaderboard and drew eye-popping St. Louis crowds, Belri was a monotonous and unmemorable layout. Yeah, I thought that that's something that all up very well. A couple more things before I let you guys get out of here. I forget if I said this earlier, I've jotted this down. There's been 29 players

after World War II that have won three majors and Brooks Capka is one of them Wow the only people to ever win the US Open and the PGA in the same year It's a joe couple of this it serison hogan Nicholas tiger Capca oh If I set the over under it five and a half career majors for Capka, where do you go? I think over. Right now, I mean, I know six majors is an enormous amount, but he's just kind of getting started.

So my sort of viral tweet of the week was a joke about like, 2009, the Keppga just won his seventh PGA to go with seven US opens and he was like doing sit up stirring the trophy ceremony Being like I don't know. I don't even care. I don't like golf that much, but like that that response The first the first response the first was the first response said This was also kept his 15th overall win and he's now eligible for the whole thing This was also kept his 15th overall win and he's now eligible for the whole thing So like I mean what's gonna stop Brooks from like competing in the US open and the PGA and being the favorite in both for like the next decade like Yeah, I mean, that's about it. Like I'll go there's nine. sorry nine guys just for perspective nine guys post World War two

That have won at least six majors. I'll go under I think that we we do this thing Yeah, right after majors for like oh this guy's gonna win like eight a.m. I think I gave a 10 earlier I think only four guys have one 10 I think 10 earlier. I think only four guys of one 10. Rory still got six pending for him to get to the total that I had him at. Yeah. And it's just, it's not, I mean, he, obviously he's proven over the last. I think he's got now 12 top 15s since 2014 at majors, which seems impossible.

But there's just so many guys and so few majors and so I think that any and the other thing is like so he's 28 how long how long A does he want to play and how long does is I mean he talked about this in his press or how and his body hold up you know he's had yeah he's had some injuries he's struggled with that a little bit so I'll go under your your number yeah and I mean for baseball players players, I mean, 28s past your prime. So if he still kind of wants to grind out that triple A career, he's going to have to probably get involved in that scene pretty shortly. Why did they do the Dion and play both sports, man? Yeah.

It's the fill. Yeah, the fill. We, you know, that's another thing we haven't talked about is that we were quickly reminded this, this week of the Phil's minor league baseball career when he thought that he was going to make the major leagues and he did have a little pitching session with the Toledo mudhands I believe and he topped out around 67 on the radar gun and the Tigers decided not to offer them a contract Phil could have been a first two sport star wow did not know that did Did you have another kept take there

to me to cut you off there? Yeah, so my one question in the press conference was essentially like, if you stayed on this pace, you could be one of the great players of all time. How does that feel? And he was like, wow, I never actually thought about that at all until right now. And that's really cool.

And he's like, he said, essentially, it's a quote in my column, I'm actually really kind of excited to compete with these guys for the next, however long I can do it. Like Tigers Back and JT and DJ and, you know, Rory and Spief, they're all great. And he's like, I really, he's like, I know how to keep take care of myself better now.

And I know kind of what I want. And I think he's actually, there's a chance that he's going to be really driven and be like You know what how many these can I rack up? I'd like to I'd like to win six or seven of these So I'm gonna stick with my overtake We got a question from I just want to say this Twitter handle at thick Moranis Predictions for the lowest big cat gets in his official world golf ranking for the rest of his career The lowest he gets, that's a good one. He's 26th now.

I could see him getting up, I would say four. That's my thing. I don't, he's not ever going to make it in the top three, especially because I don't know they don't play quite enough. You know, I think he's going to go back to the sort of 16 tournament sort of a year-type thing. But I'll go for KB or KB. Yeah.

I was going to say fifth if that matters to anyone. I was thinking, I don't know. Yeah, I'll go a little higher. I'll say eighth. I think that you know, I was asked after I did a radio hit after the after the event and I was asked, you know, this definitely means Tiger is going to win another major, right? And I said I was taking off my prediction that he'll win again on the PJ tour, but that he won't win another major. I think it's I think the same thing about him that I think about Kebka that we

ride and it's not to be a buzzkill. We ride the I all day and then it's like, well, there's only four of these a year and Tiger's gonna be 43 next time one of them has played. I think that's the thing. When we talk about Tiger, we never talk about his age. We talk about his back, we talk about his back, we talk about his game, we talk about all these certain things. It's hard to win a major when you're 43. He's a young 43. He hasn't been through that much from a body perspective.

Yeah, yeah, no, you're right, you're right. Uh, you're from now, who's ranked higher, Rory or Tiger? World golf rankings. Oh my God. How do you not say Tiger right now, unless you're banking on injury? It's got to be Tiger. Yeah. He's a Rose game, I think, and he would admit this is not in great shape at the moment.

It's not, but it's, I know he talks about being really close, but like he actually is. Like he's not hitting it close to the hole right now, but it's not like he's hitting it off the planet. He's still, it's so screwed up because he's playing from just where illegal places where he's playing from, essentially, and he can't hit it close to the hole. So his scores aren't high. And I know it's a hard thing to get back to the azure thing. It's hard to stuff it. It's the hardest thing to do is stuff it. He doesn't look, he looks pretty clueless right now and trying to stuff it, but I don't, I'm not like comfortable that he's not gonna, you know, do what he does at the Ryder Cup.

He's not hitting off the plane at, but he is hitting it off the scoreboard. This is a very true thing, have you talked to him about that at all? Not really. I didn't come up. I think Ryder Cup to be super rejuvenating for him. A little bit different kind of pressure. And I mean, I think last Ryder Cup was literally one of the greatest Ryder Cup performances of all time, even though they didn't win. And he didn't beat Reed in the final. Like, he dragged them as far as he

could. And so I think home, home game for the, for the Euros. And they're going to be rowdy and raucous and I think you could totally like Get some juice going into the you know the offseason with just that kind of performance I know you think that the US is gonna roll but strange Happen okay the US is is in good shape gonna win strange they're gonna shit happens overseas for the US We all know that they have not won in what since 91 is in good shape. Gonna win. Strange. They're gonna shit happens overseas for the US. We all know that they have not won in what since 91? Europe.

9-3. 9-3. Yeah. I think the thing that's encouraging about Rory is that I don't really think he's, I don't think this is a hot day. He's not swinging it very well. I don't think he thinks he's swinging it that well. But he's still scoring.

Like, that's why I thought his open performance was kind of unbelievable to me, because I did not watch him one time and think, man, Rory's playing great right now. And then all of a sudden, he's T2 at the end. And you're like, I don't understand how that happened. And it was sort of a a speedian performance and obviously you weren't gonna summon that this week in this field with these scoring conditions but I do think that there's a sort of a warning experience to be had when you're wandering a little bit with your swing and like hey I can still score even though I'm not swinging at that well. Bacon had a tweet today of he said he chose the most interesting name that finished T2 in a major, but the runner's up at the majors this year.

Masters, Ricky Fowler, US Open, Tommy Fleetwood, UK British Open presented by her majesty, Rory McElroy, PGH, Championship Tiger Woods. Pretty good. Pretty good. How would that major season have been? Quickly before we go, I got questions couple questions about was jt pissed at lowery uh... he said he was not he was with what they were waiting for a to get a

ruling for rules official rules official just took forever to get there i think so he went ahead and hit out of turn there on seventeen but there was no no uh... no bad blood between the two might don't think and one to get all i want to say uh... sorry to all the folks in the u-k that couldn't watch because it wasn't on television uh... that's great this case for how young kids going to not

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Goes and thoughts K.P. Ben Kerns. So this is major season wrapping it up. This is kind of sad Yeah, we got 242 days until the Masters I think that it's going to be really interesting in the offseason to see How much time KVV and Billy Horschl get to spend on the range together. You know, just working on their games and just working some stuff out in the offseason. I mean, you know, I'm ready for some little little gumbo with me and Billy, you know, going to really, I'm sure we're going to talk literature and I don't know, but I mean shout out to Billy

like he's has some fine fine clothes and they fit well on a 250 pound man as they do 180 pound man. Now this this this week's been a lot of fun. We missed everybody obviously the whole crew being here but KVV and I have had fun. I love I treated this this morning. I love major championships on days. I think that you get, you get these guys that are millionaires and famous and just superstars.

They get kind of laid bare a little bit. They got in the open, they get a little wild eye, they get a little uncomfortable. And it's just, I think it's so fun to take in and to think about and to write about and I don't know, like we're super nerdy about it obviously, but that's just, it's a very compelling and human thing to me and I'm bummed that we have to wait, you know, eight more months. I mean, we do have the right to cut, but I'm bummed that we have to wait eight more months until the master.

Yeah, I think I'm going to be solo correspondent friends more months until the master. Yeah. Think I'm going to be solo correspondent friends of the pod over at Carous. That's what it sounds like. I drink all the wine to eat all the wine and cheese and hopefully send out some fire tweets. God, I want to have you on afterwards speaking French after the US wins 18 and a half. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I told you at that, at the US, I was in trouble. Oh At that Had to throw that little nugget in there for any of the euros that made it this far in gentlemen Thank you for lasting till almost midnight on a Sunday night on the road appreciate your inputs as always and

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