No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 162: Oral History of the Ryder Cup, 1999-2008

Episode Date: August 27, 2018

In Part I of our deep dive into the last 20 years of play of the Ryder Cup, we break down the 1999, 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008 Ryder Cups in great detail. We go... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 162: Oral History of the Ryder Cup, 1999-2008 appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Lang-Up Podcast. We are going to piggyback off of the fun that we had doing the recap of the Tiger Woods 2009 to 2018 that we did on the Traptor Out Podcast last week. That seemed to go over pretty well. that we did on the TrapDraw podcast last week, that seemed to go over pretty well.

So we're going to do a bit of an oral history of the Ryder Cup from 1999 through today. I have spent the better part of three days researching. I have 39 pages of Google Doc notes ready to roll. Geez. A lot of quotes, a lot of crazy stuff has happened the last 20 years. They pretty much proved that the Ryder Cup is the only golf event

First I want to kind of go gauge the temperature of the room as to where you guys give people your background on where your Ryder Cup fandom ranks I'm about a 9.8 out of 10 I would say I like the Ryder Cup First of all, I'm teaming for it I don't hate it Yeah Yeah, I want it to exist. I mean, people like the rider cup more than me. I'm on team Europe as well as turn coach Ron. Yeah. When did you make that switch, Tron? This will be my third rider cup rooting for the Europeans. I just think they've got more interesting guys on their roster

and I like them better. Where's your Ryder Cup knowledge? Knowledge is probably a six. Okay. I like the Ryder Cup. I just I think it's just one weekend though. Like people talk about it all year. I'm not gonna name any names, but people talk about it all year. Even even on off years they talk about the Ryder Cup. It should be played every year. That's my point. Yeah. So you know, I think it's one weekend, but that's not let's not lose perspective here. Sure. Randy Listen nobody's a bigger writer cut fan than me No gosh if you're a 9.8. I'm probably like in all honesty. I don't know

Like a 4.8, but that's not say I don't like it like I really enjoy watching it. My history of the event is probably not great admittedly. I'm kind of just tune in weekend of, have a good time and then more or less check out. Have you ever skipped a Ryder Cup? Sure, yeah. I mean, I can't think of one specific. You know, it's just kind of like, when they're great, they're great,

and when they're not, it's like, man, okay. I didn't feel like I missed anything too important, but. Yeah, I feel like I'm in that same boat, probably the sub-fives, you know, 4.5 to 4.9. I'm probably right around that. That ranking as well. Adjust my endowment till like a three. I'm much more of a contemporary Ryder Cup scholar, I'd say.

Modern Ryder Cup history, I think I probably have a better handle on. I've gotten pretty deep in the last two or three, but before that, I'm gonna learn a ton about, you know, 99 to probably 2010, is a big ass blind spot for me right now. 39 pages of notes, by the way, is I'm a little terrified. I'm hoping that Dan Carlin will release this

on his podcast feed, maybe. I'm worried if you guyslin will release this on his podcast feed maybe. I'm worried if you guys are either going to be the best audience for this or the worst audience for it. I think maybe the best because... I'm just thinking, I think 1999 is really the first Ryder Cup that sticks out in my memory. And that's why I chose that one. I mean, 97, I don't... Where it was 97? 97 was Valderama and that was Tigers first one And then so kind of setting the scene into 99 and this is gonna be more from a US perspective overall

But I mean, that's just to be expected from our job. Yeah real quick DJ I'm surprised you're even Participating in this given your affinity for the president's cup Yeah, DJ participating in this given your affinity for the president's cup. Yeah. DJ work for the headshot. I don't know where. For five years or so. And he got, you know, every time I see him, he's wearing president's cup.

I actually put a pretty good, good amount in it. If you're in the Jacks Mill area, I would hit the good wills in these next couple days here. They're about to get flushed with president cup shirts. Funny mention that. I'm actually more about E Eurasia cup than myself. Also so. The PNG cup. The PNG.

The PNG cup. So give you some back on this process. I went through and researched them all from $99 to 2016. I actually got on the phone with Alan Shipnut yesterday. He walked me through just kind of his old memories. Anything that sticks out from him that I might forget, I'm terrified basically in general of some major blind spots. And no matter what, there's gonna be some things

we're gonna miss, but we're gonna cover a ton of them, obviously. So, going to, so 99 is at Brookline. It's Ben Crenshaw. Like a lot of country club. The country club at Brookline. Coming off 95, which was deemed chokehill, where in the US lost it

okay who was the who was the big just the US choked in general or was there a single singular choker I think I think in going through this the US always seems to be the favorite looking at these rosters I'm like how is this even remotely possible but 97 was Tigers first one and the captain and the second. For the US? Tom Kite. And then he was Captain 95? I don't know. We started 99.

Come on in, get in the crowd here. You know, I'm trying to get some context and we're going into 99 here. Tiger put it into the water in 97 at Valderama, which was... Rubber trench and senior. For that reason reason alone I thought about adding 97 into here but but it did not there's Lanny Watkins was the captain in 95 so in 99 this one is again the reason we're starting this one is it is lit the whole process starts out with the pay for play talk so So, in the summer of 99, David DuVall says,

it seems like a pretty large corporate outing. It's hard to argue that. Their wording is very, it's not wrong, but it does come off as extremely bitter. Tiger says, it's an exhibition it always has been. It's not meant to be played as a war. Again, true. It's not greed. It's the fact that we want to help out. We want to donate money to our charities in our local areas. There's so much money being generated at the Ryder Cup. It's become a corporate event.

So this was before the charity aspect was introduced. So this was because of this. So they're literally showing up. There's no money, no changing hands, nothing. They get some free shirts. They, I think the rider cup makes like $63 million. They make all the money. And it turns a profit of like 16 million and players get zero of it. So Ben Crenshaw was pissed about it. He said it made him sick all this talk of pay for play and it ended with each player getting two hundred thousand dollars to donate to charity. So P.J. of America got back down. Yeah, they got back. They still held on to 60 million. Give me a couple million. So the time to just get them scholarships like the NCAA, the everything's good. The timing is yeah, you got to think about what

what these players can be doing after the Ryder Cup. You know, they're really being empowered to go on to really long careers in their chosen field. We are recording this on Wednesday and on Golf Channel tonight is going to be the singles. Golf's greatest rounds of singles play. We probably should have waited until after that to record it. So if there's something I missed from the singles play, obviously. I think it's good we did it this way.

Yeah, I'm going to ruin any of the surprises. This is true. So everyone remembers the comeback. But do you remember this before they even start the event? Jeff Maggard says, let's face it, we've got the 12 best players in the world. And if they just go out and play golf and hit shots, it's hard to mess up putting two guys together.

Do you have the rosters here? Yeah. Then we can run through? Yeah, let's go through the rosters. Payne Stewart also claimed by the strength of the European team, they should be cattying for the US not playing against them. Let me remind you that the European team had won the previous two rider cups. So for Team Europe, Captain by Mark James, Colin Montgomery, Lee Westwood, Darren Clark,

Paul Laurie, Miguel Annell, Mneth, Jose Maria Lahtabo, Sergio Garcia, Yarmos Sandolin, Jean Vendevale, Patrick Harrington, Andrew Colthart, and Jesper Parnavick. So this was 99, this was Cardoosti. That's our team to root again. It's a doubt line up. Trapped draw, guess John Van Develle, by the way. You gotta remember he had no soul at this point also. It just been, his soul had been removed at Cardoosti. So he's really just kind of, kind of a zombie, say.

So this is the last Ryder Cup played before the Probe 1 enters the world. And like we were watching some last night and guys are hitting like four woods into par fours and stuff like that. It's a completely different game. And we remember the crowd being like pretty tough that week, which is a common theme for the three Ryder Cups that we'll see that we'll go through here. That's all I remember. This is pre-Nanola. This is pre-Nanola.

This is all Tron's boys in Boston, too. Yes. The bad atmosphere continued into the week when the American fans heckling and abusing the European players. Colin Montgomery's father left the course due to the amount of abuse that his son was receiving. That's disgusting.

And fans spat at Mark James' wife. I would say that's a little odd call for. So Montgomery in particular. I'm all for some good, for some good jive jab. It's spitting against someone's wife is probably a little too far. Eventually Montgomery came into so, got so much abuse that fan-sackled him Stewart would get the marshals to eject them. Stewart eventually picked up his ball in the 18th fairway and

conceded his match out of courtesy to Montgomery. So there were also allegations of cheating that were leveled at a course Marshall who allegedly concealed Andrew Coltard's lost ball. Until the five-minute-tidy lapse had been given a one-stroke penalty. A Marshall had told him his ball went in the woods and it was in the rough. I'm sorry to laugh. Coltard had no chance to deal with but that's just absolutely hilarious. So Europe had six rookies. with, but that's just absolutely hilarious. So Europe had six rookies. They were also something some deflake eight stuff going on up there.

They were sad about it. They were sad about it. Yarmos, Sandolin, John Vendevout and Andrew Koltart. So none of them, none of those three played in the team session and those three all lost their single session. And Duval was the US's only rookie. And we didn't go through the US team here. It was Ben Crenshaw, Captain Tiger Woods, David Duval,

Payne Stewart, Davis Love, Marco Mira, Hal Sutton, Justin Leonard, Jim Furric, Phil Mickelson, Jeff Maggert, Tom Lehman, and Steve Payt as the two captains picks. Steve Payt, man, I can't even place his career. Yeah. What did he win? What did he do? No win? What did he do?

No idea. What did he accomplish? He partnered with Tiger on Saturday. So Tiger, he was born in 1953, Steve Payt was. Okay. Tiger's gonna play on this Ryder Cup team with at least two guys that were born in 1993. So, DuVal and Woods were number one and two in the world.

They ended up getting paired in four ball on that Friday. They lost. And US was down six, two after day one. In the world they ended up getting paired in 4 ball on that Friday. They lost and US was down 6-2 after day 1. Both Tiger and Duval went 0-2 on day 1. Who they lose to? Let's see. So Duval, they were in the afternoon 4 ball. They lost to Clark and Westwood.

And this is probably what fueled it, like got all the pay for play stuff even more riled up. Oh yeah, these guys don't care. They're going through the motions. They wanted to get paid to play and they came just Trashing the European team fresh off after losing the previous two rider cups So then yeah, there's in the dramatic they go in Saturday Tiger pairs of a Steve Payt They win they beat Sergio and Jesper in the morning session and then the afternoon session There was a yes for part of it co holds a pitch shot from like 60 yards,

runs all over the place. Sergio is his partner. Sergio runs up down the fairway and towards the crowd, fist pumping, away from Jesper, who actually holds the shot. Sergio didn't even do anything. He just starts running up the fairway, just like pumping up the crowd.

They ended up having that match with Sergio, Bertie putt, mid-adaburty on the last, to take a 10 to 6 lead going into Sunday. Sergio was kind of peak El Nino at this time too, right? This was 19 year old Sergio. This is right coming off the diamond. Yeah, this was just a couple weeks earlier. It was in El Nino year.

Yeah. No team had ever come back from more than two points down on the final day to win the Ryder Cup, and they needed eight and a half of the 12 points So in comes Sunday night or Saturday night Ben Crenshaw says is famous. I've got a good feeling about this What we didn't hear is George W. Bush tried to encourage Crenshaw and express confidence at the US team of rebound He also spoke to the team on Saturday night again. This is he's not president yet

spoke to the team on Saturday night reading them a this is, he's not president yet. Spoke to the team on Saturday night, reading them a quote from an alamo veteran who fought against overwhelming odds. Although it was a strange choice, the United States lost the battle at the alamo. It was a fight. So the three rookies that don't play, which are Sandolin, Coltart, and Jean Van Develle,

go up against Phil, Tiger, and Davis Davis love the third in the singles play. That's actually got to be, if you're the Europeans, that's like a good, that's a kind of sacrificial answer. Well, so that immediately makes it 10 to 9. I mean those three were never, they were going to win those matches 10 times out of 10. Phil gets matched up against Yarno Sandolin. Yarno is playing a 52 inch driver. SICK! Which the standard legative drivers will like 45 inch. Already 5 inch. I mean, I think Randy, you play a 52, right?

I wish I did. You play the Yarno driver? I need to inquire about it. The big Yarno? But get this. Phil and Yarno previously had a history with each other, stemming from the 96 Alfred Dunhill Cup. Playing at the old course, Sandeline nearly came to blows with Mikkelsen during

their match. This is from Alan Chippnut. Sandeline was celebrating his frequent birdies by pretending that his putter was a rifle. He claims he was only shooting at the hole in a sort of obnoxious celebration while Michelson felt the imaginary bullets were abed at him God that's good. I wasn't gonna let it go without saying something Michelson said walking off the 13th green our nose is touched and we had words. Saint Owen confirms the answer. I told him to fuck off. I haven't spoken to him since and I have no desire to. Oh, so that was pre-hat. Phil then, right? Give their noses touched.

Might have been. Oh, it might have been no hat. Yeah. It's a great observation. Sandlin also had problems with Marco Mure at the 97 Lancome trophy where he accused the American, he dubbed market nearer of moving his ball closer to the hole. I don't think anybody's ever had a problem with little Marco with little Marco

Before the event Saint-Lin said I feel I feel sorry for Mikkelson and Omira think about it Think about the pressure on them. They really have to kick my ass if they lose at home my god Imagine the shame for me to lose is expected. It's no big deal because no one is rooting for me. This guy sounds like a absolute Manage. Oh, he was the best. He's on the sky now, right of us like old sunglasses. Oh, that's him. That's him Yeah, like the aliens. Yeah, this is this is Yarma. Yeah, okay So Sandalyn drew the eye of the American fans who were well aware of the incident Which is going which is led to a strange exchange on the second whole, Saint-O'on missed a short putt for Bertie, which the crowd cheered, prompting Saint-O'on

to raise his hands in mock acknowledgment of the crowd cheering. The original Patrick Ray agreed. So the US won the first seven matches and all of a sudden let it 13 to 10. So Duval won and with his shirt untucked, ran around and did about 42 armed fist pumps. I remember that. Duval had Loki has like the worst fist pumps in golf history. The 59, the fist pump is what do I favor?

It's I'm a big fan of recreate that one with the buddy big play right? He had a mega hater blockers. Tom Lehman drains a long putt and starts sprinting around I think the 17th green. Tiger chips in goes absolutely ham with a true tiger fist pump Was Tom Laman ever less than like 45 years old? No ever you've born 45 years old I don't picture him like running anywhere that doesn't pain stew or drained a long putt and walked after it fist pumping and yelling and this was

I mean this was three weeks before he died I think think. I'm going to be dead late October. I think so. Kind of crazy. It's always going to come down to Justin Leonard. Leonard was four down with seven to play and was completely despondent. So is that the last match in the course? No, painstead and calm and come here are still behind them.

But basically, if Leonard is able to secure at least a half in this match, then the US is going to win the cup. They were already on 14 points. Leonard was down 47 to play and Shipnook said that DL3 was consoling him in the fairway because he was in tears. He was playing so bad. Olethovel starts hitting some quick hooks and that's what brought Leonard back into play. And Porath just tweeted a video actually of, of All of Fobble yelling back at a fan in the crowd, his caddy doing the jerk-off motion at the fan,

and Johnny's saying, nice gag. So Justin Leonard makes the 40-foot putt on this. So the match is all square. Leonard has a 40-footer on 17. All of Fobble has a 25-footer. If Leonard makes and All of Fable misses the US, clinches the cup because they're assured at least to have if they put the 18th.

Leonard hold the unlikely birdie, sending the American team into a frenzy. Did he do the jerk off motion every minute? The team, their wives and NBC cameraman, all ran onto the green to hug Leonard with the cameraman allegedly stepping in all of Fabo's line. Eventually order was restored in all of about a 25-foot putt to keep Europe's hope alive.

He missed, the American comeback was complete. With Leonard dormy, guaranteeing a half point needed by the U.S. Tiger Woods jumped five feet in the air as he sprinted to the green. His feet are above Tom Lehman's waist in this photo. This is right after everyone's accusing him of not caring about the rider cup Which he kind of later confirms in a quote, but Justin Leonard in Ulfable actually played the 18th hole in Jose Maria was just absolutely pissed I forget what the result of that 18th hole was it would appear that

Ulfable won the hole actually to have the match. Here, this is when it gets really good. European Vice Captain Sam Torrance standing beside the green fumed, it's about the most disgusting thing I've seen in my life. Those were the most disgusting scenes I've ever seen on a golf course. This is not Sour grapes. The whole American team inspectors ran right across the green over Oli's line. He still has a putt to tie the hole and could still take the right or cup.

It was disgusting and Tom Laman calls himself a man of God. Jesus! His behavior today was disgusting. There's no evidence that anyone ever stopped stepped in all a fobbles line there's no video evidence I should say well that's because the video cameras were were running across the line they were probably very which I actually don't think there's anyone I don't think anyone ever read across this line they definitely ran onto the green it was definitely premature

uh... analysis of the event in its aftermath concluded the u.s. team in their fans behavior throughout the matches had been unacceptable was led to apologies from many of the American players. Many American journalists can see, by the way, I went only to British news sources for any of this because it's the absolute best. Many American journalists conceded that the matches had become so intense to the point where they were no longer being played in the spirit that Samuel Ryder had intended. The American press were unusually critical of their side.

Washington Post stated that it seems an American team can't get through an international competition without acting like jackasses at some point. And the LA Times described the American team as having violated every principle of proper golf to corim in decent manners. And we haven't even talked about the fact that they were wearing the ugliest shirts. and that Justin Leonard made the ugliest face after he made it

And basically the layman got called out as a single worst offender In comes Davis love Davis love claimed the Europeans were sore losers We didn't cry when we lost two in a row He insists that the partisanship was no worse than at Valderama or at the Belfri in 93. They were poking umbrellas through the robes trying to trip people going from tea to green. How long have they been calling our wives flight attendants and bimboes? They act like we're the only ones to do it. He calls himself a man of God.

J.A. Don Day is there for some reason and claims that that Monty told him Saturday night you know we've won. Don't you? Question mark. I never heard that. Wow. Sergio Parnavick and Paul Loury and Monty all won three and a half points for Europe. How Sutton won three and a half for the US but no one else won more than two and a half? Rapping up here for 99. Monty. This is a full Monty quote that he's given in an interview to give just one instance a local radio station man called Jim Rome Had encouraged his listeners to come to the course to bait me

To the irritation of the mob. I was three up after six holes Though back to two by the time we arrived at the 9th tea after pain at hit I teed up my ball and for once Though it was never going to last there was complete silence as I shaved to the ball I managed to get as far to the top of my back swing when a man standing a couple rose behind me on the tee could no longer contain himself You bleep. I don't know what the word is. It's a four-letter word. You bleep. He cried With the keyword so course and so alien to anything I'd ever heard before on a golf course as to be unrepeatable. I stopped and had to readdress the shot. Prince Andrew, a keen golfer who might become

friendly over the years. My brother Douglas and Amar all swooped on the culprit and overweight fellow in shorts who had been apparently wreaking of beer. As the Marshalls helped us to do him and let him away I turned to the crowd and said, first to go, if anyone else says that, they'll go as well. My legs were now shaking. Pain who had just won the US Open at Pinehurst was brilliant. He knew that there was more than one trouble maker out there

from that moment on, he kept going to the crowd himself and saying to the security man, get rid of him, him and him. It's sick and pain only, slightly less than it's sick and my father, in dad's eyes eyes it was as if the very game had been defiled. I looked for him after the incident, but he had walked back to the clubhouse,

his lifelong love of golf, having taken an irreparable blow. Monty's the best. Well, let's go to the resident, the resident clones here. You guys got a philocyst on the timeline, is this all pre-Alkington, Rome stuff? All the Monty stories? They're custard?

Yeah. Yeah, probably, but first of all, Rome's not local. He would've been out in San Diego at that point. So, Elcetta's Facts wrong there. Monty, or Monty, yeah, excuse me. Yeah, definitely sounds like some Rome in his early years would jungle would be up to. Yeah. In the celebration, the Guardian reports a lot of this comes from the Guardian.

When his team won at Brooklyn and Boston Tiger, this is about Tiger. When his team had won at Brooklyn and Boston in 1999 and celebrated long into the night, Woods had to be dragged from his bed to join it. He had retired early, the only team member to do so, and things had reached the stage where the late painstead was dancing on top of a piano when Woods' absence was remarked upon. He was bummed out of bed and made to join an unwilling participant. There you have it. So that's what I've got for 1999. Anything in your guys' mind for them missing?

Gosh, no, I couldn't possibly... No, I have no idea. What else you could even So that's what I've got for 1999 anything in your guys mind for them missing stick No, I can possibly no, I have no idea what else you could even add. I'm psyched to watch the singles match The re broadcast god like there's just this this whole Obviously we were not covering golf anywhere near this time period, but this this pink board back to fourth I was 13 correct this ping ponging back and forth in the media is like One of my favorite things to read about ever. Well, so let me ask you this do you think the crowds being boisterous and rowdy and like do you think the environment is bad

For the writer cup and is it bad for the game of golf? Well, that's what I was gonna say too is if you look at like the moments that As I understand them anyways at that have kind of escalated The writer cup to what it is now. It's it's what it's this it's Kiwa. Yeah, you know, it's all these like controversy points that Basically, you have Monty saying that you know the spirit of the game is just being shit on here, which is probably true But I don't think you can probably ignore that it's also led to it becoming, you know, this big spectacle of what it is now, and I'm sure everybody's kind of richer, both literally and figuratively for it. Yeah, it's not good. I mean, it's like these things happen, which most definitely appear. So it's, I think at the Ryder Cup fans,

think that they have the right to act like football fans. Like, they're that that go out of football game. It's the one team event, and it's just that they all decorum goes out the window. Some stuff happens in Europe. I mean, like fans still cheer for bad US shots, which I don't have a problem with. And, but it definitely, I mean, I heard at 2016 at 2016 at Hazelteen was like a lot of it was too much.

It was too far. All right. We'll get there. Yeah, we will. All right. We had our fun with the Triumph and Victory 1999 for the US Ryder Cup team. It's about to get a lot darker on this podcast. So in line with what we're the subject of today's discussion. I know you guys remember the Calloway stars in stripes,

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This happened this September 11, 2001. Obviously the tragedy in the US happened about three weeks before the rider cup. The PGA of America informed the European rider cup board that the scope of the last two days tragedy is so overwhelming that it would not be possible for the United States rider cup team and officials to attend the match. The manager of Phil Mickelson in Mark Kalkovekia had earlier announced that the two players would not travel to Europe. Other American players were said to be concerned about attending the event.

It was agreed that the same captains and players would participate in the 2002 event. So teams are locked in, in September 2001, they delay the event for a year and they just take the same teams in 2002. That was at the bell free? That was at the bell free. It was kind of strange for Sam Torrance. Side note, what happened?

Like the next year was there a president's cup scheduled? Presidents' cup was scheduled in 2002, but it got bumped back into odd years now. So, that was South Africa. Yeah. That was Ernie Ellis' time. Right. End up being here.

So, September 19th, 2002. So, which players kind of got the shaft on not making this team then with, you know, teams kind of being locked in a year ahead of time? Who had the best 2002, I guess. Tiger one. Tiger Open and PGA. What was the PGA that year? Wasn't that Medina? No, that was 99. I'm not sure who had the best 2002 that ended up getting screwed, but I do have a couple notes in that Lee Westwood was 20th in the world when the team was formed, he was 148th when the event began. How Sutton was 27th in the world and then 125th when the event began.

So give a bit of a time stamp here. The day the event goes off, the Bush administration pressures the U.S. Congress to pass a resolution giving Bush authority to use all means he to turn to be appropriate, including force to oust Saddam Hussein in disarm Iraq. Big day. That's big day. Which amazingly in the Wikipedia for the key events of September 2002, the Ryder Cup made it in there.

I have no idea how. There's only like 15 events in there. So, earlier in September at the American Express event that was in Ireland, Woods was asked directly. That event needs to come back. Yes, that's the Mexico championship. I know, well, I don't know. Woods was asked, I don't have a solution, I'm just saying it needs to come back. What would be more important for you to win this week or the Ryder Cup next week?

In Woods said, here this week, I can think of a million reasons by. Sick, yeah. So, 2002 PGA, by the way, was Rich Beane. His race. Yeah, so he probably missed out. So he probably missed out. Yeah. It made, so talking with Shibnock some,

he's just made the event stale the three years between cups and Shibnock argued they should have played after 9-11, the extra year did you help? Yes, I know. Wasn't the same fever pitch, and it was just a totally different feeling. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the same fever pitch. I know, I know. Wasn't the same fever pitch and it was just a totally different feeling. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the same fever pitch. I know. I know. I think they should have delayed it. I think they made the right decision.

But just imagine the same team stay together for a year. Ryan Moore found out the Sunday before the event that he was on the last Ryder Cup team. And this is like you're on the same team for an entire year. It's just such a weird arrangement. Philip Price and Pierre Falk were on the European team. Pierre Falk. Sweet, right? I have zero memories outside of this this rider cup for either of those two players. Scott Verplank was a 38-year-old rookie captain's pick. Tiger is the youngest player on the team at 26 years old in Stewart sink is the only player under other player under 30 at 29 Because when we go through rosters sure That's the fun part. Santa Lawrence is the captain Darren Clark

Padre Harrington Thomas Bjorn Colin Montgomery peer-falk Lee Westwood Paul McGinley, Nicholas Fast, Bernard Longer, Philip Price, Sergio Garcia, and yes, for Parnavic. Nicholas Fast, you got it. Sergio was a captain's pick, the fifth ranked player in the world. I imagine that had something to do with the qualification criteria then, I don't know if he must have been playing the European tour. And the whole event just does not feel like a big deal. One of the main sources on the Wikipedia page is about Middle East talks with Tony Blair and he's like, we're about to go to war but he's like talking about the writer cup and some discussion about Middle East. Now watch this drive. So Europe's

up 4.5 to 3.5 out of day one. Tigers 0 and 2 on day one he plays with Paul. Paul Azinger and Mark Calcovekiar is partners. They battle back and it's 8-8 going into singles and strange backloaded the lineup and was shredded for it. And in his defense he said, we got beat. The score on Sunday was 28 under for the Europeans to 8 under for us. The facts ruin the stories a lot of times so the facts never get in there. Those who question my first three guys insulted those players. I will defend all 12 of my players till the day I leave this place. They insulted David DuVolve,

David Tom's especially in Scott Oak. Scott Oak by saying I didn't have good players up front. Scott Oak. They were world-class players. Philip Price, B. Michelson on that day. It might be a no better symbol for the US struggles in Ryder Cup than Philip Price beating Phil Mikkelson. Big Randy, do you have anything to say about Phil Mikkelson losing to Philip Price in 2002? I do. You know, it's just Phil being Phil.

This is the year that Zinger hold a bunker shot in the 18th hole to have his match against Nicholas Fost and had the awkward high fives with his caddy and was screaming at him, he didn't deserve it Patrick, he didn't deserve it Patrick he didn't deserve it because he was trying like in Europe the Europeans make such a big deal out of who clinches the winning point like it means something to them shout out to Jamie Dawgleton yeah and and and Zinger was like didn't want fast to get the winning point because something happened to them earlier in that match I don't remember

exactly what it was and then so he just like the whole time he's telling his caddy, he's like, this guy doesn't deserve it. He doesn't deserve the winning point. He doesn't deserve it. And so when he holds a bunker shot, that's what he's yelling at his caddy as they're doing the Accord High Fives. That's the day for 2002. That's a short one. Unless there's, I guess we didn't go through the US roster, which was... The US roster was Curtis Trange Captain Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, David DuVall, Mark Calcovechia, David Tom's Davis Love III, Scott Hoekchim, Furek, House Sutton, Stuart Sink, Scott Verplank, and Paul Easinger.

Okay. Usually suspects. He's standard maybe, maybe Hoek is kind of a, it's a bit of a wild card, yeah. We're getting a, who's going to be the Scott Hoek of this year's team? Is everyone, we're going to have a theme here between 2002 and 2006, all building towards one amazing fact in 2006. But 2004 is Oakland Hills in Michigan, house Sutton versus Bernard Longer as the captains. Shockingly, the British press is not over the 99 cup at Brookline. So we're back on Europe on US soil. And so from this is from David Davies at a US press conference regarding the 99 antics.

Sutton opens it by telling the European contingent in Detroit this week, you need to forget it. Ask if there was concern there might be a repeat of Brookline where Borish bearded up crowds, abused the visiting teams, spat on a European wife, and responded disgracefully to some equally disgraceful behavior by the American team. Sutton said, look, y'all have been kind of like a bad marriage partner. We've apologized for five years for what happened in 99, so y'all need to forget about it. No more apologies or anything else.

If that might be regarded as a cheap shot, it was easy to find one in return. Sutton, for years, an oil-rich, spoiled Texan playboy is currently on his fourth wife, and still known, though not to his face as halimony. That's a sick nickname. Tiger is the only player on the US team in his 20s. He's 28 years old. That's crazy.

Oh, just like banana. Just wait. Fred Funk and Chris Riley are on the team. Jay Hods is a 50 year old captain's pick. Pfft. Pfft. Kenny Perry was 44 and on the team. Yeah, Kenny Perry was a-

He was a World Parade player. Yeah, yeah. Fred Funk was 48 and on the team. And, Kenny Perry was a real big. A dog. Fred Funk was 48 and on the team. They had a Fred Funk had like, I don't think he'd missed a fairway in like three years at that point. This is this is the people were wondering

after you won the players. This might be before you won the players. I'm like, oh, five I think I'm not sure. They had a 44 or 48 and a fifth year out on the team. There were two players on the team older than the captain. How Sutton was 47. Europe has five guys in their 20s. Paul Casey, Sergio, David Hall,

Ian Polter, and Luke Donald. David Hall is really good for all of the teams. Monty is a 41-year-old captain's pick. He goes three and one. So Friday, House Sutton shows up on the first T wearing a cowboy US captain house Sutton put his top pairing of tiger woods and Phil Mikkelson in the first match of the Ryder Cup Hoping to come out to a quickly. Yeah, why didn't anybody think of this before he announced the two best guys together Oh, and this was one Phil was this the equipment chain. Yes. Yes He announced this on Thursday when I say the announ is this on Thursday he had just announced it to Tiger and Phil on Wednesday so on top of all this Phil was playing Calaway equipment for the first time and this is the year that he won the Masters and finished second at the US Open with Titles Driver Titles Ball he's still playing

Titles Irons this time but now Callaway Woods and a Callaway Ball. According to Golf World Magazine, Michelson's long-term contract with Callaway is worth 7-10 million a year and bonuses and stock. So there's no time for the duo to prepare. Tiger makes it clear that he is, that they're going to play his ball. Phil has his new Callaway equipment is seen in far-re of the north course at oakland hills frantically practicing with tigers golf ball filse as tiger play i wonder if you had to play like with like stamped tiger on the side

probably that was and that was back when precept was making the the night so uh... filse as type preatti? No, I wish you was. I was pretty sick. Tiger found out, Phil says, Tiger found out the year before when we played at the Presidents Cup in 03 that the golf ball I was playing was not going to work for him. He plays a high spin ball. I play a low spin ball.

Me had to come up in two days with a solution. So Phil claimed, yeah, grab a couple dozen of his balls went off this side and tried to learn his golf ball in four to five hour sessions on one of the other holes. Trying to find out how far it goes, it forced me to stop my preparation for the tournament. To stop chipping and putting and sharpening my game in an event to crash, course, learn a whole different golf ball that we were going to be playing. The decision backfired on Sutton is the Woods, Michelson pairing, fell apart almost from the start, eventually losing. as the Woods, Michelson, pairing, fell apart almost from the start eventually losing. Only a seven foot par putt on Chris Riley on the 18th hole of his match kept Team USA from being shut out by Europe in the first session.

Team USA never had the lead during any of the first day day one four ball matches. So down three and a half to a half already. See everyone shits on Chris Riley, but good thing he was there. Oh, we're good to shoot on Chris Riley here very shortly. Great putter. So this is, so that that was the four ball. So Phil's playing his own ball in that match. The alternate, the afternoon alternate shot session

was almost as good for Team Europe as the morning session. Nicholson would lost an early lead in their match, leaving Woods winless in the first day of his last three rider cups. Team USA picked up its first full point, but Europe ended the day with a six and a half one and a half lead. The largest lead after the first day in rider cup history and this is on US soil. So Phil drums all this back up in 2016 at Hazel team when he's talking about team preparation and he just pulls an example out and just rips house

Sutton for not giving them time to prepare 12 years later. So Sutton got contacted in 2016 and he still has some more things to say about it. Yeah, and then he didn't even call me and tell me he was changing equipment. He had his agent Steve Lloyd call me and tell me and he changed not only the equipment, he changed the ball. So print that, print that, print that. He let his whole team down. So he's talking about how sudden he let his whole team down. With the passing of Arnold, you know, on Sunday, Arnold and Jack didn't start out to be the best of friends

because it was kind of a dethroning going on there, sudden said. And they ended up just being great friends. And I felt like the world of golf would be better if Tiger and Phil became friends. And I felt like the world of golf would be better if Tiger and Phil became friends. And I felt like if they played together and had fun and beat somebody, they would end up being friends. So he was doing it for all mankind.

They didn't beat anybody. So you know, it couldn't be their fault. It had to be someone else's fault. It had to be how Sutton's fault. It had to be. Do you think I'd do anything to do with how poorly he played that day? Sutton asked, y'all remember how bad it was? He hit three-wood against the fence on the last hole a three-wood a Three-wood that's the story y'all need to be writing

I mean he's not wrong about a lot of that. Yeah, I yes Exactly and he was way ahead of the Phil tiger becoming friends. It's true. I'm still kind of a gas at the halimony. You've never heard that before? That's such a good nickname. It might be the best nickname of golf. Should I kind of think that we're circling back around and maybe just to ease out, you know, the karmic realities here,

they should pair tiger and fill again together. No, it's just what point do we want to have the uh... i mean i have a baby did you know that's cool i was just like when when are we gonna have the discussion of captains matter not uh... playing partners matter

we can save it i just want to make sure we're i don't think anything matters well that's yeah well obviously that's where that's where the discussion started because phil is kind of talking about what makes it important. Basically, he's like, yeah, if Tiger and I had like weeks and new that we were going to be paired together or had the chance to say to him like, no, we don't want to be paired together, then we would have been set up for success better. Which again, 18 and a half, nine and a half with the final score of this

Ryder Cup. It's not decided to Ryder Cup. Yeah, that's a good point. It's, yeah, I don't know who the playing, I mean, I think Hal's maybe making some good points here. Oh yeah. Although, I guess, I don't know, it's good point on all sides. If Phil wasn't worried about having to play that ball or learn that ball, I mean, he would have felt differently if he knew who he was being paired with

and the player would told him. It sounds like the, there wasn't a whole lot of forward thinking or building towards the future. It's not a lot of the. I think it has to fix. Yeah, no. Well, at this time, Tiger and Phil, or Tiger basically just didn't respect Phil. He thought he's soft-bodied and didn't... This was shortly after the equipment, like this, saying it was what subcutaneous.

Yeah. Right. And so it just wasn't going to work. But after that doesn't work, Tyre gets paired with childhood friend Chris Riley and they win their match on Saturday morning. How cool is that? But when Captain Howe Sutton asked Riley to play an alternate shot match with Woods in the afternoon, Riley said he was too tired. Sutton publicly criticized Riley and he hasn't seen the same since.

And Chris Riley just had a baby like three weeks earlier. And Riley said, all I know is that at the 13th, how asked I was doing? I told him I was having a blast, but then I was a little drained. That's when he told me about how he was a fat man who went five matches in 99, and I was a flat belly and so on. That was pretty much it. The conversation went fast, maybe 30 seconds. I didn't mean I didn't want to play this afternoon

with Tiger or whoever. So, and then how went to the press and just ripped Chris Riley for being tired and not going to go out for the next match? I'm surprised how did making a replace strata. Yeah, well, and also he was so irritated with Mikkelsen after Friday that he benched him all day Saturday and told the Masters Champion that he would be a cheerleader.

He used to wear cheerleader. How sounds like a bad ombra. Oh, how's the only interesting thing between 0206, which we'll get there. Sunday, so the US is down 11 to 5 going into singles. Do we do rosters for this one? No, I don't think we did. How Sutton's team is Tiger Woods, But the US is a down 11 to 5 going into singles. Did we do rosters for this one? No. I don't think we did.

House Sutton's team is Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Davis Love, Jim Furik, Kenny Perry, David Tom's, Chad Campbell, Chris DeMarco, Fred Funk, Chris Riley, Jay Haas, and Stuart Sink. Burnout Longer's team is Patrick Harrington, Sergio, Darren Clark, Miguel, Lee Westwood, Thomas LeVay, Paul Casey, David Howell, Paul McGinley, Ian Polter, Luke Donald, and Colin Montgomery. It's a pretty gritty US team, though. Yeah, but it's a pretty talented European team, also.

Yes. So, this must have been the one that US was somehow favored in. I don't see. Everyone claims that there's like a, this, all, the US has always been favored and they always lose. This must have been one. They couldn't have been favored in 06. And we'll get to that team's like a, the US has always been favorite and they always lose. This must have been one. They couldn't have been favorite in 06. And we'll get to that team here in a second.

I'm really excited to get to it. Phil goes one and three of this new equipment. US loses seven and a half, four and a half in singles. Furet goes one and three. Christa Marker is the only US player who had a winning record. He went two and one. Just the shame of Oakland Hills.

On to 2006, let's go. My favorite Ryder Cup team involved. Oh, it's here's the captains. Captains are Tom Layman and Ian Wusdom. Wusdom's team is, and this is played at the K-Club in Ireland. This is the first time the Ryder Cup has ever been held in Ireland. His team is Hendrick Stenson, Luke Donald, Sergio, David Howell David Howell Colin Montgomery Paul Casey Robert Carlson Hodgrey Carrington Paul McGinley Jose Maria O'Fable Darren Clark and Lee Westwood

So Darren Clark had lost his wife just a few months months earlier to this to this rider cup And he was a captain's pick. I don't remember this, but Tom Lehman brought the team to Ireland at the end of August for two days of practice, determined to end the two decades of frustration in the Ryder Cup. How did that go? Not great. Tiger and Furek arrived separately from the team after losing in the first round of the HSBC World Matchplay Championship the week before at Wentworth. Wood's state in England attending a Chelsea Liverpool soccer game on Sunday while Fira came over to the K-Club to practice.

The team gets off the plane, so getting on the plane, they were delayed three hours because they couldn't figure out how to fit all the luggage on the charter. They had brought too much luggage. Like the team themselves is out there like trying to like taking the bags off, rearranging everything and they show up three hours late to the event. And they're like, I don't know if there's a ceremony plan or what not. So who's on the US team? Layman's the captain.

Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson and Jim Fierrick are one, two, and three in the world. Their teammates are Chad Campbell, David Toms, ChristMarco, Von Taylor, JJ Henry, Zach Johnson, Brett Wetterick, Stuart Sink, and Scott Verplank. And who are the captain's picks? Stuart Sink and Scott Verplank. So the purple mamba made it on his own accord. JJ Henry. It's said Brett Wetterick. Brett Von Taylor, JJ Henry, ZJ, and Brett Wetterick all made it on their own accord.

And we will get to how that happened here. So yeah, they got off the plane in their all-brown uniforms, and then they play the practice round later that day in the all-brown, like the ugliest uniform. There's been a lot of bad ones. These might have been the ugliest of all. So getting into the press conferences, the Europeans are still not ready to let 99 go. Paul Casey says, I stand by my words, speaking of Tom Lehman, the captain. His appointment could affect the atmosphere of the match. I don't think many think people on the side of the Atlantic want to see him as

captain. We've had a very, very good rivalry since 99. I think people are afraid that it might bring up a Brookline type situation at the K club. Tom's name will always be mentioned when you talk to players who have Brookline that thought the spirit there wasn't right. I never knew Tom Laman was such a... I know, I've read he wrote. Yeah, exactly. I didn't either. Luke Donald, who's Casey's playing partner, supported his stance Donald, who has a home in Chicago after spending four years at university there said, I think people who are not Americans can get upset with Americans quite easily. They

do seem to be very insular. They make rash comments that can be quite upsetting at times. I heard Ryan Palmer, a US amateur champion, say that the nationwide tour, the second tour in the US, is the second strongest in the world. And that was days after Europe had thrashed the US 82 to have 9 to have in the Radar Cup. Those kind of comments force people like Paul to say what he says. rider cup. Those kind of comments forced people like Paul to say what he says. Predictably, the American World Cup team of Scott Verplank and Bob Tway were less than impressed. This was at the World Cup. Verplank said of... I did a huge World Cup guys, right? God, can't get enough of it.

It circled on my calendar every year. Verplank said, I didn't know he was a member of our tour, but if he's really that uncomfortable annoyed or anything I don't think anyone would miss him if he went back to England. Really weird trash dog. Tom Lieben said without question we will go to Ireland as the underdogs. You think? The American team arrives with zero players in their 20s. No one's in their 20s. The US had five players in their 20s make the 2018 team on points alone. And we don't know who the captain is,

they made such another one in their 20s. So, and we'll get to the Tigers quote about that after the match. So, Vaughn Henry, Vaughn Taylor, JJ Henry and Brett Wetter made the team on points. They go. Vaughn Henry. They go, O3 and 4. JJ Henry made the team on points. They go on Henry. They go O3 and 4. JJ Henry made the team by winning the Buick championship

and had five top 10s, which is not that many. Vaughn Taylor's Reno, Alvin, the Booz Allen classic. The Vaughn Taylor wears out Reno. No doubt. Vaughn Taylor's best finish was a T3 at the Heritage. He had six top tens.

For the record, Brian Gay has six top tens this year on the PGA Tour for perspective on how many top tens. But how did he, sorry, was Captain Spekery made the team made the team on points? How? We're going to get into how bad American golf was at this point.

Holy smokes. Well, part of that was just because Tiger was winning everything. But all right, well, I was just because Tiger was winning everything. But, all right, I'll just get to the stat now. My favorite stat that I've covered in this entire process. At this time, so Woods after the Ryder Cup says, like, we need more younger players. They have all these guys in their 20s.

We need young players to come up. And at the time that he said that, there was one American player in their 20s who had won a PGA Tour event. It was Ben Curtis who had won the Open Championship. There was not one single player, not one single American other than Ben Curtis that had won a PGA Tour event in their 20s. So this is that awkward timeframe between when people

started, like kids started playing golf because of Tiger, but they hadn of Tiger. Yeah, but they hadn't hit. Yeah, but they were they were just getting to college. Yeah. Yeah. So Brett Wetterick won the Byron Nelson and finished T2 at the memorial. He had four total top 10. Pick him up. Yeah. Come on, boy. Pride of Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah. Cool, man. So on Friday, seven of the eight matches on day one go down to the last hole. And the US fucked up almost all of them. They won one match, and they ended the day down 5 to 3.

One of my favorite things ever is JJ Henry played three team matches and halved each one. Or they played three matches total and halved each one. He's like, completely neutral participant in the event. Tiger and Fiery play all four team sessions together. They go two and two. They were the number one and number three players in the world. So they won two matches.

The only other team match, the US one, was Verplank and ZJ against Stinson and Harrington, two and one in Forbal. That's the only other team match the US one. All right, so we need a big comeback. We do. Team is down 10 to 6, going into Sunday, same margin as 99. They lost eight and a half to three and a half on Sunday.

Tiger, Verplank, and Sink won their matches. JJ Henry halved his. Brett Wetterick lost five and four to David Howell. There were 28 total matches that week. The US won six of them. Seven were halved in Europe won 15. Between the 2004 and 2006 Radar Cups, like individually, three US players had winning records. DeMarco and 04 and then Tiger and Verplank in 06. Everybody else had a losing record. So that's 21 other participants. Phil went 04 and 1.

Randy, listen, it'll happen. Only five players on the US team actually won matches. So seven of them just didn't win a match. And five players earned a half point or less. Patrick Harington went all five matches and went 04 and 1 on a team that won 18-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1- for Darren Clark. He's from Northern Ireland, but the event played in Ireland. It was just a, it was an enormous emotional kind of deal. And the outcome was decided, but it was kind of, that's the kind of lasting memory I have is Darren Clark with tears in his eyes after they'd won the cup. This was, this was the year that Tiger and Phil skipped the tour championship

as well, right? So Tiger going into the, the O6 rider cup. This was, this was, it's, so he's dad died after the masters he took everything off until the u.s. open miss the cut of the u.s. open that summer he tied for second the western open and these are the consecutive events leading up to it he won the open championship the buick open the p g.a. championship bridge stone and the doich bank and the torch amateurs after the rider company skipped it.

So that was what his record was going into the rider cup. And yeah, he and Phil both skipped the rider cup and then the FedEx Cup actually. Skip the Torch Ampages. Skip the Torch Ampages and then that's when the FedEx Cup came into that. What I didn't remember, Tiger and Eland won damages against an Irish newspaper that published fake nude photos of Eland during the Ryder Cup. 250,000 euros, which is the Fiddle in Error. Put in the printer retraction and like apology to.

Yeah, they do. They do. They do. They do. A bunch of different locations. Not good. I don't remember this at all. The explicit photographs and article, which was titled Ryder Filfer Dublin, featured in an

addition of the Dubliner magazine published just days before the opening of the U.S. writer cut match against Europe. And there was some conjecture as to whether it was even Eolin. They purported them to be Eolin, but they... Oh, that's what it's like, they were fake photos. Yeah. It's what they were eventually determined to be. And then, yeah, Wood said, they have a younger crop of players that are playing well when our youngest player is 30 years old, that's not a positive thing. They have Luke Donald Sergio Paul Casey in their 20s

We don't have anybody in their 20s and yeah, that's where the stat is that only player under 30 to have won a bet on the PJ tour was It was Ben Curtis god. What was Luke Donald number one in the world? I was like that was like 2011. Yeah That was when like he and Weston was in Kimerimer all through the dark dark times. Yeah him and Webb were Playing off for the money title that Disney that one year and looked on one. Yeah 2008 Valhalla Paul Azinger versus Nick Fowdo So this the Ryder Cup was still played before the Torch Championship This was like the Torch Amiens have not been moved up in Deceptember But the Ryder Cup was the week before the Torch Championship This was like the Torch Amiens have not been moved up in Deceptember

But the Ryder Cup was the week before the Torch Championship. I remember going to the Torch Amienship in mid-October Like it used to be even later. Yeah, it was it was in late October was Halloween weekend a few time Yeah, some there in November soon. It was awful Yeah, chilly and kind of yeah So Paul Azinger's the captain the Paul Azinger is also the lead analyst for ESPN. So Andy North moves into the booth to cover for Azinger who's captain in the event. Zinger changes the whole system.

So after the point system had already begun, so like the new earning period, after the06 Radar Cup, had already started, Zinger changes the system. And he had to go back and give a quarter of a point for every $1,000 earned to the people that it earned in that period that he tried to wipe out. He had to go back and give points to those people. But the current system, it just means more money

in majors and events in 2018. So it's, or I'm sorry, in 2008. So kind of wiping out any regular tour events in 2018. So it's no it's I'm sorry in 2008. So kind of wiping out any regular tour events in 07. It's pretty similar to how the how the system is today and there's four captains picks and FALTO just wanted two captains picks for Europe for Europe. So the 08 Ryderka this is like almost this is the week that Lehman brother like the week after the Lehman brothers collapsed. like the week after the layman brothers collapsed. Six, six. Right before the big economic collapse

is right at the end of September. So after the event, so people are still, the spirit of the country is still high. And people are riled up for a Midwestern, Kentucky's Midwest, right? I think so. Louisville is. Louisville, okay.

A Ryder Cup in the Midwest. Anthony Kim is 23 years old, qualifies on points. Louisville is Louisville okay a a rider cup in the Midwest Anthony Kim is 23 years old qualifies on points and Zinger select Steve Stricker Hunter Mayhan JB Holmes and Chad Campbell as his captain's picks. Let's just do the rest of the roster as well So that's what I was gonna ask is some of these you know, you have all these American 20 somethings without a win like who were those guys? I guess like Mayhan is in that category. Cooters, probably in that category. So on this team, yeah, Anthony Kim, Hunter Mayhan and JB Holmes are the guys

and their toys on this team. So Tiger Woods is out with injury. Tiger stopped playing after the US open and was still the number one points earner in the process. Because he had won everything, leading into that. Mikkelson, Stu Sink, Kenny Perry, Jim Furik, Anthony Kim, Justin Leonard, Ben Curtis,

and Boo Weekly Qualifying points. So. All right. How about Ben Curtis? Yeah. Yeah. Curtis, like, one four times on tour, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

That was a dog. And then, yeah, Stricker, Mayhem, Holmes, and Campbell are picked. Fowdo's team is Patrick Harrington, Sergio, Lee Westwood, Henrich Stenson, Carlson, Miguel, Graham McDowell, is a rookie, Justin Rose is a rookie, Soren Hanson a rookie, and Oliver Willson a rookie, and he picks Ian Polter and Paul Casey with his captains picks. So leading up to the event in the summer, Polter might lead the captains picks. Yes, he may have used all of it as an exception. Hunter Mayhan had some interesting things to say about the Ryder Cup event that he has never played in before.

From what I've heard the whole week is extremely long. You've got dinners every night, not little dinners, massive ones. As players, that's the last thing we want. We want to prepare ourselves. You're just a slave that week This comments did not go over great may hand added Phil Mickelson and Tiger their time is worth money and for the PJ of America The Ryder Cup is a money maker like no other is it an honor to play? Yes, it is but players value their time and this is a business Coming off three consecutive losses

May hand 12th on the U.S. Ryder Cup's points table for Valhalla added, at some point the players might say, you know what, we're not doing this anymore. Don't be surprised if it happens. It's just not a fun week like it should be. He hasn't played on Ryder Cup team before. That might be old takes exposed. By the way, you want to know who Hunter Mayan was sponsored by at this time. I do not know. Monster Energy drink. Hunter Mayan tees off in not far from Baja in Columbus, Ohio in the nationwide hospital charity championship. Two years in a row. Say it here in a row on the web.com

tour tomorrow Anthony Kim arrives at the opening ceremony with gas station sunglasses that had pink like frames around the side and as the teams stood there and their suits to like salute the crowd and everyone's clapping for him he flexes both arms at them in this suit while all the other team just stands there stoically other rookies have been Curtis and Boo Weekly. I thought we were saying Curtis played no six. Right? Curtis and played no six. The US is teaming it up with four guys that have never won matches in the Ryder Cup. Only four guys on their team had ever won matches in the

Ryder Cup before, and all four of those guys had losing records. So Zinger takes the famous Navy SEALs concept, taking a large group and breaking them into four man pods, real shame the Tiger had to miss out on this. Zinger also created the 13th man. There was a pep rally the night before the cup. With American flags waving, Hunter Mayhem comes out in enormous shorts way past his knees is pumping up the crowd. Stucinct is throwing out souvenirs 15,000 people showed up. Amy Michelson's onstage like throwing souvenirs out to the fans and everybody's just going nuts. Zinger's leading a champ. 13th man. 13th man and everyone's buying it. This is like a world that I don't want to live in. Hahaha.

U.S. gets off to a fast start winning three points in morning for some's the first lead the U.S. has had since 1999. Ches. Hahaha. So they kind of yeah, it's kind of interesting like like

like it hasn't gone well since our fans were like way too turned up so let's get them to your back up. Exactly. Day one ends US up 5 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1. Europe gains a point back on Saturday and it's 9 7 US heading into singles. Buweekly tees off the first and happy Gilmore rides the bull down the fairway on his driver's shaft. And what happens, Fowdo basically backloads his team similar to how Kurdish

strange does and just gets taken to task by the British media. From the Daily Mail, I bet FALDO had some good things to say about it. Oh yes. This was a Ryder Cup that will long be recalled for the blazing passion of a quartet of exciting American rookies and the desperate blundering of Europe's captain Nick Fowdo. After almost a decade of American apathy, they didn't just win the Ryder Cup, they saved it. They were helped, alas, by some of the most incomprehensible decisions ever made by a

European captain. Before the Inquest begins, let's get the hanging out of the way. Fowdo tried to reinvent the wheel and failed spectacularly. What tied the news around Fowdo's reputation as a captain was the high-risk strategy of loading the bottom end of his single orders on Sunday with many of his best players. It was folly bordering on the criminal. Fowdo not learning from courtesy and similar mistake at the Belfri in 02 when Tiger and Phil similarly were left high and dry. Who wrote this? It was from the Daily Mail.

I don't know. Was it a hug? It wasn't a big deal. There wasn't a name. Don again. Anthony Kim is one of the stars of the show. Zinger said Anthony was our off course team leader and is a 23 year old.

Everybody laughed at AK because he was a street kid, with a chip on his shoulder. He wanted Sergio all week. I don't think he realized that we couldn't just match him up with what we got there. He kept saying, I want to play Sergio's thing. I want to play Sergio. So that's one of my problems with the rider cup.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what the presence cup gets right. I totally agree. Totally agree. It never worked out until Sunday and we got lucky. Anthony ate it up in response. And he sat on the first tee. I'm going to whoop a zaz for you today, Captain.

Kim would go on to beat Sergio five and 4 with 5 birdies in an eagle in just 14 holes and actually walked to the next to the 15th hole thinking that the match was still going on. That was one of the classic moments in Ryder Cap History Zinger said after he won that match, I gave a K big hug on the green and then he kind of backed off, he was pointing at me and you could read his lips, he was saying, I told you I was going to whoop a zaz his ass it's sad his career ended so soon I would have loved to see what he might have done those last eight years if he'd been healthy anything he came to like 33 I know that's this we're robbed are we in the nest I think so I don't remember Anthony Kim like I don't remember him the way that I should I mean well yes I know I remember him like I remember Augusta and I don't remember the way that I should. Well, yes and no. I remember him like, I remember Augusta,

and I don't really remember this writer how about that much to be honest. I think I was pretty deep in the follow the tiger game at this time, and he wasn't playing. I was pretty checked out. We had just got out of college. Yeah, like I started my career like two years earlier. No, I was back for, yeah.

You took a, you're still in college. I just started my career and I was not really following this that close. I know they won. I was like, oh, that's kind of surprising. They weren't supposed to be that good. They won. So there's a rule situation during the Anthony Kim Sergio, where, where Sergio is trying to take a drop.

Anthony Kim comes over and says, you call that a normal stance. You got to do what you got to do and walk away. And then eventually Sergio did not get the drop. And then yeah, in a theme that is consistent with the Americans win, Englishman Lee Westwood was not happy with some of the fans of our Holocaust Club. And particularly not pleased to get an anonymous telephone call in his hotel room at 1230am Sunday morning.

Obviously, Lee says, all the abuse I got on the course Sunday was fairly nasty and that was pretty shameful. That was only a minority and the crowds were great. I expected them to get behind the American team which they did but some people don't know the difference between supporting their team and abusing the opposition team which is unfortunate. I just love how much the brits used shameful. Yeah, just crazy. the the the Britz used shameful yeah what when asked what the fans said he said Lee West said I'm not prepared to repeat it one was a particularly nasty

reference to my mother on the 12th. All right guys we are going to cut part one right there after 2008 we're gonna get into 2010 2012, and 2016 on part two of this podcast. Thank you for tuning in and make sure you check back for part two coming soon. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.