No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 163: Oral History of the Ryder Cup, 2010-2016

Episode Date: August 29, 2018

Continuing where we left of from the previous podcast, we head to Wales to breakdown the rainsuit controversy of 2010, the Corey Pavin/Jim Gray dustup, Rickie Fowler, and Hunter Mahan. From there, we cover the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 163: Oral History of the Ryder Cup, 2010-2016 appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. All right guys. Better than most! Alright guys welcome back to part two of our oral history of the Ryder Cup every event since 1999. If you miss part one that covers 1999 through 2008, this podcast is going to cover 2010 through 2016. Enjoy it.

2010 is surprisingly really fun and it starts before the Corey Pavement. This is Corey Pavement. It starts before we get to the Ryder Cup. This is Corey Pavement versus Monty, which is an absolute disgrace. Where at? At Celtic Manor in Wales. Absolute disgrace that Monty was not a captain in Scotland. Yeah. Celtic Manor is Wales. Absolute disgrace that Monty was not a captain in Scotland. Yeah. Celtic Manor is like a new resort course built, like at the bottom of this valley, in one of the worst weather spots in the entire world.

So this whole event is just so they're going to need to get raindrops. Raindrops. Right in the sack by Raind. We're going to get there for the rosters. For Monty's team, Lee Westwood, Rory McElroy, age 21 is making his first appearance. Martin Kymers is 25 year old rookie.

Graham McDowell, Ian Polter, Ross Fisher, Francesco Molinari, Miguel Peter Hanson, Eduardo Molinari, Luke Donald and Patrick Harrington. The flying Molinari brother. Correct. Cory Paveon's team is Phil Mikkelsen, Hunter Mayhant, Bubba Watson, Jim Furik, Steve Stricker, Dustin Johnson, Jeff Overton, and Matt Koocher. And his captain's choices are Zach Johnson, Tiger Woods, Stuart Sink, and Ricky Fowler, a 21-year-old rookie. This is the beginning of him getting into Randy's Keyster. So 2010, so Tiger needs a captain's pick because he's shooting like

79 at Bridgestone and he's just kind of like he had a in the deep in the wilderness. He had not that bad of a year He only missed one cut that year. He had seven top 10s and 12 starts, but it was coming off firestone He did not have great finishes in the majors that year, which were a lot of the points were, and he missed a lot of time in 09, or I guess he, I don't know exactly how he didn't get, he wasn't, yeah, this was when it started to go bad though, right, this was right after the Firestone.

DJ's won, he's 26 at the time, he won the OA Turning Stone Championship. So basically, he's done all of his winning since the last Ryder Cup. Right. Yeah, because like that year, 2010, you'd won a second 18T Pebble in a row and then you won the BMW Championship.

Any basically won the US Open before he blew up? Correct. So the US Vice Captains are Paul Goidos Tom layman Davis-loving Jeff Sloom it Paul Goidos never played writer company's writer Prince Charles spoke at the opening ceremonies and Back in August Jim Gray and Corey Pavan got an a heated exchange at the PGA champion Jim Gray is the worst in a report that aired on Tuesday night in the report that aired on Tuesday night, Gray said, Paveen would use a captain's pick on Woods if he failed to make the team on points. Gray quoted Paveen as saying,

of course, I'm going to pick him, he's the best player in the world. On Wednesday morning, Paveen said on Twitter that he was misquoted and he said in a press conference that Gray's port was incorrect. After Paveen finished taking questions Wednesday afternoon, he and Gray confronted each other's the afternoon, he and Gray confronted each other in the Whistling Straits Media Center. Standing nose to nose with Pave and Gray called him in a lot, a liar and said, you're going down. Pave and responded, you're full of it. The competition took place in front of media members assembled for Pave and

press conference with his counterpart from the European team Colin Montgomery. At one point in the exchange, Gray started to walk away prompting Pave and to say, you're just going to walk off. Gray then returned to face Pave and the men continued jawing each other in raised voices. Pave and wife Lisa also joined the Frey. She gets more important in the story days. And then later Pavein says, let's get this straight down. I had a conversation with Jim Gray, I straight just outside the locker room, where we registered and he asked me a few questions

and his interpretation of what I said is incorrect. There's nobody promised any picks, would be disrespectful to anybody trying to make the team. I just said, you're full of something. I'm not going to let that happen. He got upset. His eyes were a little odd. He was just a little crazy. Pavein's wife was extremely agitated about the exchange in Rip Gray for not

broaching the issue when more reporters were in the room. She was overheard complaining to a PGA America official that Jim Gray was a whoosh. So this is the same summer as the decision. So people were like extra mad at Jim Gray at this time. And what was the Pete Rose thing? I was I was there that night at the Pete Rose thing. At the All-Sorry Amen Atlanta. What year was that? That would have been before this.

That would have been like, oh, four, like, three, oh. So Jim Gray's got a, for so many non-graut. Yeah, this is kind of the tail end of Jim Grayness, I'd say. You got to remember this post-scandal cat too, at this. Pavein said that he was not concerned about how Woods would be perceived by the wives and girlfriends of his teammates after Woods' high-profile sex scandals. Oh, he showed up solo, right? He did. He showed up stag. Woods play Ricky style. Yeah. I'm sorry. He had 12 events, two top 10, seven top 25s, only one.

Okay, that sounds a little more. Lee Westwood was number three in the world at the time. And it's going to be number one. So Rick was a captain's pick. 21 year old rookie captain's book. What were his credentials? That was the year I think he was playing well. He was he was Bucking. Where's Orange? Very marketable. I mean, the G.A. of America likes money. It's an exhibition, is it not? I think that they need it.

I don't know who the close calls really were in 2010. But his Ricky Fowler's 2010 season, he had a T5 at the Farmers, he had second at the Phoenix T8 at Verizon, sixth at Quail Hollow, runner up at Memorial that year, T5 at the CVS, Care Mark Cherry, oh man, see5 at the CVS, Care Mark Cherry Classic.

Oh man, C-Randy. And then yeah, he didn't have a ton of great finishes leading up. So it sounds like it was, you know, he was caught up. A lot of being in contention, but not a lot of winning. It's what it sounds like. Yeah.

Would that be accurate, Randy? I mean, that's certainly what it sounds like. So this event was just mauled by Weather, and which is a very important part of the next part. As a result of long suspension of play on the first day due to heavy rain, the format for the rest of the competition was changed to try to bring a conclusion to the matches on Sunday. But there was further rain on Sunday that revised the singles will be on Monday. And so because of the changes, they were a couple first. For the first time in the history of the Ryder Cup, all 24 players took part in pairing sessions at the same time in six pairings, as opposed to the usual four.

And in another first, both foursome and four ball matches were played in the same session at the same time. And it's also the first time that this competition went to a fourth day. So, man, I forgot about that they changed all the four matches. Oh, yeah. So, session one was Friday and Saturday because they had a delay of seven and a half hours that four ball matches were...

Which was sweet because in the States you guys go back to sleep. Correct. I need to miss anything. Four ball matches were... And session one, four ball Friday and Saturday. Session two was Saturday Six four some alternate shot matches so everyone in the course at the same time session three two four some and Four four ball matches that was Saturday and Sunday and then all the singles on Monday. So is this one Ricky?

Yes, chunk is ship. No Man Ricky was like Ricky Brady. Yeah, he was four down with four to play on one of the Molenaries at Bordeaux. Yeah. So there's a number of points stay the same. Came back for a tie. But still. The point still stands.

An interesting note. That kind of fits into any narrative. By Captain's agreement, the matches would conclude at sundown Monday, if not completed before then. Any matches still in progress would be considered halved at that point. So if they didn't finish Monday, they were just going to call all the matches halved. That sounds pretty presidents' copy to me. It does.

Well, imagine if it came down to the last couple matches in darkness hit, but your team is losing and you're like, no, no, not calling it. Yeah. End up finishing. It's much lighter out here than you're. Yeah. So for ball session on Monday, it was suspended at 9.43 and started up at 5 p.m. This was right around the, this was the full white belt epidemic

team uniforms were white belts back then. They had the pink sweaters, which were horrible. The lilac sweaters. The lilac, yeah. That was, that comes on Saturday. But the uniform controversy begins on Friday. So apparently all of the fashion decisions made for the 2010 Ryder Cup were made by Cory Pavein's wife, Lisa.

Lea's a Pavein. Lisa sounds like an alpha. Oh, I was thinking the same thing. Apparently in this story from the Guardian, this is an important note, Lisa Pavan, 36, Pavan, Cory is 50, who is happy to be referred to as Captain S, takes a nude photo draped in a red, white, and blue flag that's not the American flag is on the cover of Abbott Gulfur, naked draped in a flag. It kind of looks like a Abbott Gulfur. Yeah, I think my subscription had last

at that point. I don't remember getting that word. I have to look that one up. The brutal weather has claimed the first the guardian says the brutal weather has claimed the first casualty of the 2010 Ryder Cup, the US team's waterproofs. Officials from the PGA of America had to be dispatched to the merchandise tent at Celtic Manor to buy some new suits. It cost them 4,000 pounds. They absorb too much water, which means they are too heavy. The American caddies have been complaining about them all week and so have the players

to set one source inside the European camp. Ian Polter looked delighted at Sieg, Americans reemerged in different rain gear. I can see them on right now, ours are keeping us nice and dry. That's all I'm going to say. The uniforms which are dark blue with two white stripes and the players name emblazoned across the back have already been widely criticized this week on fashion grounds with unflattering comparisons being made with basketball tracks. Wait, they had their names across the back. That's what caused the issue is the names caused the names weren't waterproof. It So like all the water was going straight through them. But they also look horrifically not waterproof. Yeah.

Shout out to Sun Mountain. I believe Phil. I think everyone's made Sun Mountain jokes for like two more years. I wish I wish we could have photos in a podcast. Like the photos of Phil playing in this rain suit. Just like it just drenched. Like he doesn't look like anything. Any waters bounced off of him. It says here that Lisa Pavein did like all the aesthetics for everybody's hotel rooms and like one it like basically every detail you could possibly imagine. This is the uniforms which were sorry the the official supplier Sun Mountain failed to keep players dry from the downpour that stopped for

play for more than seven hours. So yeah they had buy waterproof jackets which are around 120 pounds plus 50 pound trousers for players and caddies. Paul Louries it's unbelievable I assume they would have been tested and it seems like an incredible lapse. Private Lee sources at the company claim part of the trouble of the stitch was the stitching, specifically requested by the USA, which caused significant leakage problems. Lisa Pavein's flag cover. It looks like she's wearing the French flag. It does. Reign suit companies are emailing writers asking if they want to run stories on it.

Everybody's going nuts over these reign suits. And this embarrassment follows the gap by US captain Cory Pavein at the opening ceremony when he forgot to introduce Stuart Sink It's trans boy. So the US leads two and a half one and a half after the first session US comes out in their lilac sweaters on Saturday The four sims go the US's way and they lead the six to four. That's when Jeff overton starts bucking his head not yet Really? Oh, he's playing well. He's playing well. Yeah, he's playing well They lead six to four heading to Sunday with 16 matches still pending so

But the play for this Sunday play begins on Saturday afternoon two four sums and four four balls And when the mat when darkness halts play Europe is leading in all six matches So it's again the US is winning, but Europe leading in all six matches. So it's again, the US is winning, but Europe leads in all six. So if your weather overnight delayed play until 120 on that Sunday, as they're running water on the fairways, and the hills around the course are just mud,

it's just absolute mastic. Every ball, this was pre, I think this is pre the groove change, right? That was like, off the other end of the same time, yeah. So every player's ball is just hitting and spinning, like 30 yards on the softest screens. How old was Celtic Manor at this point?

Good question. Like was it relatively new course? I think it was. I'm pretty sure. I mean, the course is called the 2010 course. So the purpose built just for the right cup, correct? So on that Saturday, you love that. That's a disgrace.

Come on. Photographer for the Daily Mail, Mark Payne captures the famous Tiger Photo with the cigar guy in the background. Rupesh Singdaya is the gentleman who was later interviewed and said, I'm embarrassed and overwhelmed. Never in a million years could I have expected

anything like this. It is truly surreal. Rupesh said his costume was a tribute to Spanish golfer Miguel on Hell Hemenis. I wanted to show my support for the European team and I thought of Miguel. These days sportsmen have become devoid of character. But Miguel does his own thing.

I love the way he walks around the course where they cigar-clamped between his teeth. And you can't tell on the photo, but he's got a wig ponytail on. Like you can see, it almost looks like he has a head wrap on, but it's actually a Miguel wig, like with a full ponytail. Did Katz ball hit the photographer's lens? It hit the camera.

It hit the camera. Break the lens. I don't know if it broke the lens. So Woods pretty much shanked the shot and it hit Payne's camera. Woods was said to be furious about the blunder, but neither he nor Caddy Steve Williams objected to Payne's position. And some are describing the photograph as one of the best sports pictures ever taken.

He won Sports Photographer of the Year at the British Press Awards and the meme goes viral. This cigar guy's face is on the Statue of Liberty, on like Muhammad Ali posters in my favorite. He's photoshopped onto every person's face in the photo, including tigers. And so tigers has to play the ball where it is. Where it is. Yeah, so. God, that camera man almost got burnt.

Yeah, oh yeah. It was like somewhat of a chip shot, so it wasn't like a full shankank but sunday thank you for your service into the sunday jeff overton and baba are paired together his second shot into the eighth jeff overton holds it he goes boobayby come on and baba comes y'all now i know where he and babbo just whoa go boobayles come on baby boobayby i can say it too, come on.

And Jeff Overton, like in the middle of the celebration, I look at him like, what do you do? It sounds like Jeff Overton, it sounds like PXG needs to trip off Jeff Overton. Yeah. Every time. Yeah, they might have stolen that. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Bubba, I remember him almost sounding like he was like making fun of Jeff Overton. Yeah, he's like, I can say it too. Yeah, come on.

Yeah. Like he wasn't really excited, but he was kind of like, all right, man. Like, yeah, cool. Like, let's get excited. This is awesome. This is kind of like peak Bubba starting to show his weird nature, I think. I was going to say, I don't think Jeff over to them bubble lots of them would get along. They seem like two guys that would not be into each other's acts.

I don't know who you pair with Bubba. That's the thing is so Bubba in this event he goes one in three. Who else did they pair him with? Bubba played with Overton and he played with Overton in four sums. Yeah or mayhan. You got to pair the golf boys together. Yeah. So the Bubba and the Overton Boom Bay, that was in four ball. They lost the match. They went under loose two down to Peter Hansen and Miguel.

Peter Hansen. Sink and Coocher are the only ones to scrape out a half point out of the six matches. So the US loses five and a half to a half in the session. Heads to the last day down nine and a half, six and a half. Cat and stricker lost to Westwood and Donald's six and five in that session. Not great. Singles are on Monday and they are phenomenal. Big Cat comes out and makes seven birdies in an eagle to just baptize Francesco Molinarri.

And Stu Sink was in the second match. He gets let off the hook for what happened. Because Hunter Mayhem takes a ton of the blame for the 2010 Ryder Cup. Yeah. Go back and watch the singles. Stu sink three puts the 13th key. Drives 15, which is like the easiest par 4 ever. It's just super weird. He'll take a 3 wood and there's an option to lay up. It literally no one lays up. Drives the green. Rory puts it in the bunker and Rory gets up and down, sink three puts. And then he goes to 17 misses a six foot birdie putt to go one up and then misses a 12 foot birdie putt in the last

hole to win the match. And if he wins that match, the US retains the rider. I hate to see it. Let off the hook. Ricky is off fourth to last. He's four down at the turn and three down with three to play. He 100% needs to get a half or else Mayhan has to come back and win his match against Graham McDowell. So he wins 16 and again he's dorming, drains a 20 foot putt to extend the match on 17. And the US team is all gathered there and they erupt, goes to 18 and he has a 15 foot on 18 for the half and he drains it again. Secures the half point, picks his ball, throws it in the water.

The question is, do you think Ricky put himself in that position on purpose? Are you asking me? I'm asking Randy. Listen, probably not, but I can't rule it out for sure. Great backdoor half-point though. Mikkelsen finally found his game, he beat Peter Hansen 4-2. He didn't win either of his first three matches. All comes down to Hunter Mayhem and Viscram McDowell. If Mayhem can eke out a half, the U.S. retains the cup. So, and Mayhem did not make a birdie until the 15th hole. So,

in that regard, he does deserve it. What do we think of putting Hunter Mayhem in the anchor match? I don't think he was the anchor match. Let me double check that. Oh, he was the anchor match. I think they might have remembered him. think they might remember Corey Pave and doing like the press conference tonight before or whatever being like, oh, 100 man. He's the guy. He was asking to go last. He's he's a rock back there. He's just super steady. It did not go great. Didn't go that way. I think Lisa should have been making the line up. I think Lisa should have gone out last. His first D.J. should have gone out last. What did DJ do in singles? He eviscerated. He did not have a great rider cup but he destroyed Martin

Kymner's 6 and 4. Mayhem makes his first birdie on the 15th hole but he's only one down somehow. 15 was a super easy hole. McDowell makes a downhill left to right sliding putt for birdie on 16. Again, everyone's gathered around this match now He only match left down the course and there's so many fans surrounding it and this putt is on the low side the whole time Falls in the in the cup and he just unleashes two arm fist pump and the crowd just goes absolutely nuts so To help with two to play mayhem needs to win both the 17th and 18th in the US will retain the cup 17th to par three comes up short and he needs to basically hold it to extend play and he chunks the chip. Fails to hold the par putt and concedes about a...

You should have putt it. Concedes about a four footer to make doubt and end it sending the crowd to rush the 17th green. Mayhan couldn't speak in the press conference because he was crying so hard. Stu Sink covered forum and said if you go up and down the line of tour players in Europe in the US and asked them if crying so hard. Stu Sink covered for him and said, if you go up and down the line, a tour players in Europe and the US and asked him if they'd like to be the last guy to decide the rider cup, probably less than half would say they want to be that guy and probably less than 10% of them would mean it.

Hunter Mayhan put himself in that position today. He was a man on our team to put himself in that position. Hunter performed like a champ up there today. All right, I think it was awesome. He was exhausted from the big dinners. You got it, you got it. Wonderful. Right. It seems like car make payback. All of Europe's six rookies, none of them won a singles match. Tiger winded up going three and one. The US won three of the four sessions, and had the cup coming into it, just needed to retain it. Here's a theory.

Cat didn't start playing well in Ryder Cubs until he and Eelyn's relationship dissolved. Maybe. She felt like, he had the, Eelyn was like a, you know, like an agent, like a double agent. Oh, you're saying because of her nationality. Oh, I was not sure where you're going with that was a little nervous uh...

you're saying he just had too much respect for the suede that that he played well in this one but that was not suggesting he did not play well in twenty twelve so that's the last right-of-cuff the the kids played it so that's twenty ten the u.s. loses 14 and a half, 13 and a half. Was that the same year that Graham McDowell beat Tiger in the Pebble?

Sure would. Oh, well, he won, he won Pebble, won the O7, and then he had the Ryder Cup thing. And then I thought, he, did he go into play off with Tiger at the Chevron World Challenge? At Chevron, and he just, I think that was after the, maybe that was 11 after the Ryder Cup. Well, it was after the Ryder Cup for sure.

Tiger won it in 11. So yeah, 2010 that was when Graham McDowell beat Tiger. Yeah, he's had all these huge stage moments. Yeah, he had quite the year. So that's one European victory. We've still got a couple more to get through. It's worth pointing out at this time that Callaway has recently come out

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So visit cali golf.com for more info and be sure to pick up yours before they're gone. Now let's get caught up with the final three rider cups. All right, 2012, the miracle at Medina. Thavis love the third versus Jose, Maria, Olatabal. This is one of those I was like really invested in. Yeah. I watched I think all three days. The miracle at Manjana. A really, really Athable. This is one of those I was like really invested in. Yeah. I watched I think all three days. It was a miracle at Mangy, I know. A really, really good one.

DL3's team is Tiger Woods, Babel Watson, Jason Duffner, Keegan Bradley, Web Simpson, Zach Johnson, Matt Kutcher, Phil Mickelson, Steve Stricker, Jim Furik, Brantz, Netaker,

and Dustin Johnson. I think that's a good team. Yeah, all of this, US performed really well. Well, the condition for really performed really well. Well, position for a really tough out there. Uh, team Europe is Rory, Justin Rose, Paul Lorry, Graham McDowell, Francesco Molinari, Luke Donald, Lee Westwood, Sergio Peter Hansen, Martin Kimer, and Nick Colsarts and Ian Polter are the captain's picks. How about Paul Lorry? Yeah. That was, he was like the late career

arrangements there. Third ranked on the European point list for that. I'm going to say there's always a there's always a suite to in the bunch. Medina undergoes a restoration and advanced the event all new greens and a new 15th hole. And before the 2012 Cup, Europe players, Lee Westwood and Sergio Garcia criticize the course, particularly for its lack of rough trees and other hazards. Garcia said,

lack of trees, huh? There's not a lot of thinking when you get to the tee. You can pretty much hit it nice and hard, and even if you miss pretty much every time you have a shot. Three rookies on the US side, making on points, which are Duffner, Keegan, and Webb. The captain's picks are Stricker, Furek, Sneds, and DJ. The European team has 10 veterans making on points. The captain's picks are Polter and Colsarts and Colsarts is the only rookie.

Of the 28 matches played, only one was halved, which was the very last match. That's crazy. How about that? Morning forces. Morning forces are a tie. The duo of Phil and Keegan was on full display, dominating Donald and Garcia.

She puts me in bad mood. The match ends on the 15th green one. What are these? It was like that. It was such a profess the whole week. Pepsi's waving the flag up. Yeah, they're chest bumping and Keegan's acting like a cheese dick. PD Pablo style Pepsi whips the flag above his head after they close the match on the 15th.

The same duo beats Rory and G-Mac in the afternoon. The US wins three of four and takes a five to three lead. Tiger and striker go over two on the day. Nick Colsart shoots an afternoon 62 to lead he in Westwood to the one-up win He shoots 62 and the only one won up. That was when catch I like 65 and got beat And striker couldn't find the club face I'm pretty sure When striker loses it. Oh Stricker listen, I love Steve striker. He cost us the 2012 Ryder Cup. We'll get there

Tron were you team Euro at this point? This was the beginnings of... He's a front runner, he saw it. The seeds, we have to say. It's after they had their huge comeback. Yeah, I think I like these guys. Well, no, and you notice how solid says we. I'm a...

Were you in the team room? I was at the event. Were you in the team room? I was a attending fan wearing the red, white, and blue. He was a of the team. He was team room adjacent. He was a 13th man. I was a 13th man. That's another good debate Morning for sons are Justin Rose and Ian Polter is a Saturday morning against Bubba in web Bubba on Friday morning pumped up the crowd as he as we did is i'm sorry on on uh... friday afternoon pumped up the crowd to hit his opening t-shirt polter is up first in this for some match and as on the on opposing soil

pumps up the crowd at my dying hits his t-shirt but that follows suit and they did it what she what's that all the the crowd cheer for there was a lot of ole ole ole that came out and then the US fans overwrought them with the USA. USA. Were the fanatics there? The fanatics were not there.

I don't think so. They're getting ready for all this, from your field village. Right. So the American generals might have been there in whatever the knockoff fanatics. So Rose and Polter beat Bava and Web and then

Keegan and Phil beat Lee Westwood and Luke Donald's seven and six and morning for sums This is where some of the controversy comes in Tigers number one in the world and sits out that that morning as everybody was sitting at least one match The US leading eight to four after the morning for sums fill and keegan are three and oh and absolutely on fire. Fill insists that they sit for the afternoon four ball and says you cannot put that on that on Davis. If anything it was me Keegan and I knew going in that we are not playing the afternoon and we said in the first on the first T we're going to put everything we have into this one match because we're not playing the

afternoon. We got the 10. I went to Davis and said, listen, you're seeing our best. You cannot put us in the afternoon because we are emotionally and mentally are not prepared for it. So in the afternoon, Bubba and Webb just eviscerate Rose and Molinari, five and four, and the US leads 10 to four. Garcia and Donald Beatt Woods and Stricker, which is a common theme. That team is now 0 and 3. Polter, birdies, the last five holes on Saturday to win against DJ and Duffner

one up. Jesus. Absolutely brutal. Was this the bug guys moment? Or is this just the bug that birdies last five? Now it's 10 to 6 going into singles. So that's the first, he's playing with Roy, right? Yeah, Roy just like five now. It's 10 to 6 going into singles. So that's the first he's playing with Rory, right? Yeah, Rory just like a long time right yet That's the first thing I go back to for the ridiculous sequence of events that had to happen for this comeback and we'll get there

Sunday The US just willts Europe wins the first five matches on the board. All right. Can we talk about this? Let's let's go through and talk about where everybody got sent out? Because that's cool. I find that interesting. Before we do that, let's talk about Rory, almost not getting to the golf course. The world's the least wife.

The world's number one golfer needed a police escort to make it to the first tee on time Sunday after mixing up his time zones. He made it with 10 minutes to spare, giving him just enough time to scarf down an energy bar, take a few strokes on the putting green and hustle to the tee. I've never been so worried. That's the rainy war, folks I'm gonna say yeah, I'm sorry guys. I overslept Never been so worried driving to the course before luckily

There was a state trooper who gave me the escort to here. It wasn't for him. I wouldn't have got here in time He was reading the times on his phone solid He and Bradley were teeing off at 12.25 one problem. That was Eastern time He was reading the times on his phone. Solid, he and Bradley were teeing off at 12.25. One problem that was Eastern time. Medina is in, or Chicago is on Central time. He was on the first T-11, 22 with three minutes to spare. A sheep of screen on his face.

Fans were well aware of the gap. And they serenaded him with a chance of Central time zone. And what's your T-time? I think that was a false plug. Is there any way that this story can be true? There's some details here that I had not heard before again. Don't know what's true. Two US players was he planning on arriving one hour and three minutes ahead of his tea time? Two US PGA transport officials Maggie Buds are in Erica Stoll who coordinated player shuttle services

to the Ryder Cup venue. It's also offered crucial assistance to McElroy. Budser said it was 10.30 a.m. I knew JP Fitzgerald had left about an hour earlier. I knew Roy's T-Time was 11.25 and he was the third group to go off and we still hadn't seen him. I started getting worried that something had happened to him or that he had taken a different ride of the course.

There was only one room still in use when housekeeping checked and a male voice said not to come in. We figured it had to be him because by now we knew he wasn't at the course. I called the guys the driving range as they had seen them. They hadn't so I called the European tour officials to alert them. At first I was going to drive to the course because I knew the way and did want to put a volunteer under stress in the courtesy car.

I then asked a trooper at the front if he could take him with the flashlight on. He said it would be okay. I gave Roy the choice and he went straight to the front seat of the trooper's car. That was 1052 AM. That's disgusting. I gotta apply. It's a false plan.

Yeah, I think it's a, just like a flagrant use of taxpayer money. Yeah. Well, and you know, he should have to, he should have to battle traffic and everything like normal people to get to your tea time. Rory steps up and beats Keegan 2 and 1, shooting 500 in the process. So that's pretty sweet. And then he married Erica and Flavor.

Yeah, married one of the coordinators of the rides. The order that he sent out. The order that he sent out is Bubba and Webb 1 and 2. Okay. Keegan, Phil, Sneds, DJ, ZJ, Furik, Duffner, Kutcher, Stricker, Tiger. Stricker, Tiger, like, they're hiding. They're struggling, but Tiger had been playing well, right? No, well, they've been playing pretty well, but they were both O and three. They were O and three as a team. So, I don't know if they're hiding them back there or what the scenario was.

I know Stricker was not playing well so that that is the best attempt to hide him. Which I, the whole order thing, I struggled to really see the importance of it. I think it's kinda, all the matches are gonna count the same regardless of the order. Yeah, I guess it's a momentum thing. I guess if that's a real thing.

You hear the cheers going around. The momentum is real. Unless it's just, this goes back to TV producers being the keeper of the takes. Unless they're just that good at packaging things to show momentum on TV, then momentum is a real thing. Even though people are spread out across the golf course, playing different holes, it just seems like, I mean, that's just happened. A lot of stats guys would have a lot to say about.

Well, that's probably take the I've only been to one. I think it's just about who I'm not saying it's about. It's about who wants it more. I've only been to one team competition. It was it was the writer. Or was the president's cup and was that 2013? Mm-hmm. At at your field village, it rained like the entire time that's the most miserable week

I've ever been. You know what man the momentum thing is totally accurate like you can just hear the roars across the across the fronter you couldn't you were in the sea suite that way that was. We were out there slumming it with the umbrellas and trunks in there all the free hospitality. Web steps up to the 18 singles and hits a cold shank. Polter Birdie 17 and 18 to beat him to up. But the US has still got this. An incredible sequence of events has to happen. So while the Europeans won the first five matches that were sent out, DJ defeats Kohl Sarts to give the US an 11 to 10 lead. That was a good one. Would watch that match. Rose drains a 35 footer on the 17th to tie the match against Phil.

That's what Phil does over the head clap. Over the head. That's out. And thumbs up at Rose. It's just like very small. I'm very small. Rose just walks towards him with like two arms extended. Rose goes on to birdie 18 to win one up. So this was a red flag on the 17th

tea that turns blue. ZJ defeats G-Mac 12 to 11. It was a total pillow fight. ZJ shot even. It was like the undercar. Yeah. Westwood disposed of Coocher and so now it's 12th, 12th but the US sorry very lost travel. It's in great shape. Oh this was right about the time when I'm- This is what it switched. Pounding the like Coochers disgrace. Oh I thought you were going to say this is right about the time you switched to a Europe

fan. No because if you get into Coochers Ryder Cup especially singles. Yeah it's not good. It's bleak. Were you team Euro now for sure? No I was still team US But the seeds had been planted well. They were planted two years ago. It sounds like there's this a year This is 12. Yeah, I've been fully team Europe 14 and 16. Okay, got you all right. So

I was I wasn't crushed. When did you get married? 2015 Okay When did you get married? 2015. Okay. You should know that a little quicker. So Westwood Disposal Coacher, the US is still in good shape. Just Fierrick just needs to hold on against Sergio. He's won up again, playing the 17th hole. Just needs Stricker to hold on in his match as well.

And against Kimer, and Duff has a comfortable lead over Hanson. He should be the 13th point and Tiger has a lead over Molenari. Well, Fierrick Bogies 17 and 18 to throw the match to Sergio. 18. You say you did it on purpose? Well, it seems that way because at 17 and 18 we're not set up difficult at all and so he loses. So Sergio makes two parrs to win the match. Again, all of these things have to happen just for Europe to have a chance, including that fill in Rose match that's already turned.

Well, I think that's a subplot too, is not setting anything up hard. Yeah. That the US is disgusting. That's really when I started, you know, tied sorry to turn me. The worm in turn. I mean they set up super easy in Europe too. It's

all right. It's always set up for birdies. But so all right, so it's 13 12 now is the key match when when furec lost that to Sergio. We're not done throwing up all over ourselves here. Stricker bogies the 17th hole and is now one down heading into last. He needs to make birdie. He runs a putt like 15 feet past makes the par. Kimer has two putts to win the rider cup. He blows it five feet past and makes the comebacker. Tiger or which is cool. He would have been in the wilderness. Yeah. At that point. Get back on was he a captain's pick or what was well he shot somewhere around even. Stricker shot one over. I just mean like in his career. Well, in India, I had seen him at, maybe it was the year after,

sort of, Harbor Town. Yeah, he couldn't find the club face. It wasn't good. So, the European team celebrates, they have retained the cup at minimum. The cup can still be tied. Tiger is in the 18th fairway, has a 1-up lead, and it's just, the whole thing kind of loses some energy, but Tiger hits it on theway, has a one up lead, and it's just the whole thing kind of loses some energy, but Tiger hits it on the green, three puts it, missing about a three footer, and then gives Molenari his putt to win the Ryder Cup.

And I've always said Tiger's never taken enough heat for just like seemingly giving up on his little short putt. I meant to find the quote, I didn't find it, but he said something like, yeah, the cup had already been decided, it didn't matter. But there's a difference between winning and tying the cup I think I know that your pertains it but I was always that always made me so I mean the crowd is I think it was an honorable thing for cats to do I don't think so too yeah I was like uh subduco oh nobody nobody knows who told you could say

nobody gives a shit about tying but not yeah yeah I think think... I gotta say, I can't find a big... I mean, Tiger's an alpha, he doesn't... I see what you're saying, and I somewhat agree... Run or up trophy? Yeah, I think it's better for the Ryder Cup. Otherwise, everyone's got to explain like, oh, well, it was a tie, but because of this last one, so they keep it so...

But we're still like champions of life. But they won, yeah, it's... I would have some pride, and at least they didn't beat you that week, is what I would... I feel like Tiger's probably in the beginning of life. But they won. Yeah, it's a tie. I would have some pride. And at least they didn't beat you that week is what I would. I feel like Tiger's probably a lot of pride. He'd done, but he hit that whole sensible purpose is like they did beat you,

because they still retain the cut. Well, I know, but like he had, he could hit that puss really quickly. It almost seems like the whole thing. It almost seems like one of those moments where Tiger, it's kind of like the 59 thing, where he's like, yeah, I never think about 59, because I did it at Iowa in practice,

so like I've shot 59 before. It's the same thing where he's almost like trying to prove that he knows the rules so well, that he's like, yeah, yeah, well I missed, because we tied so it retained, and so yeah, I was already four steps ahead of you guys. So that's why I didn't matter. Tiger goes 0-3 and 1,

Strictor goes 0-4. Dude. Big ass presidents cup though. Again, the US wins three sessions, ties one and loses one and loses the cup. Strictors the first ever cap and spicks to go 0-4. So between 2010 and 2012, there's nine sessions. US wins six of them. Europe wins two and they tie one and Europe won both cups They won two sessions and two cups and they won both Should Davis love have to wear that for picking a guy that goes on for a little bit

I think yeah, I think a lot bit. Then is this is this where the task force comes in? Yes, oh not yet. No, no, no, okay, we'll get the last four. Yeah, 14 14 after the Watson. We got some good stuff. It's after the bus accident. Well, we've been doing so during this time. I need to grab a drink before 14. During this time of crisis, the US is one not from away to 12. US is one nine session Europe has one three and two of them were tied.

And the US only won one cup in that time. On to 2014, Tom Watson, Glenn Eagles versus Paul McGinley at Glenn Eagles in Scotland. Classic Scottish golf. Let's run through these rostrums. It's possible for them to have a tournament at like a non-trash course, but just like a non-resort. No, no. It's like a good question, but no.

Only four groups out in the course of the time with as many tickets as they sell and all the hospitality like it's just not, it's just not. And the courses are just always going to be just huge areas. Yeah, it's one place where I'm kind of fine with that. Tom Watson's team, US team, Tom 65 years old, Bubba Watson, Ricky Fowler, Jim Furek, Jimmy Walker, Phil Mickelson, Matt Kutcher, Jordan Speeth, Patrick Reed, Zach Johnson, the three captain's picks are Keegan Bradley, Webb Simpson, and Hunter Meihann. Yeah.

Unsubscribe. Paul McGinley's... That was when I was a fifth. Yeah, as you said, you're a fan. Don't blame you at all. Paul McGinley's European team is Roy a Mackle Roy Henrik Victor Dubeson Jamie Donaldson Sergio Justin Rose Martin Kymher Thomas Bjorn

Graham McDowell and the captain's picks are Stephen Gallagher. You know who's next? Oh, Polter. Yeah, Polter and Lee West. Yeah, sorry. I thought you're trying to trick me. No, no, no We did we need to go back and count on me. I'm giving Gallagher the mega like the nativist. Yes, the Scotland pick Which it didn't he's I thought like Gallagher was was well. He's Scottish. No, I mean don't Tom Watson trims the captain's picks down from four to three in late July Dustin Johnson announces he will be taking the leave of absence from golf and would miss the Jet ski. No, this was just a leave of absence. It's just the six-month leave of absence. Extends the qualifying to the 10th place finisher and that spot goes to Zach Johnson.

Watson selects Keegan Webb and Mayhan. Billy Hchlweid just finished second in Boston and then won the BMW championship and the tour championship, but the team was already selected so Horschlweid was left at home. Sorry man, we already printed the rain suits with the names on the back, there's nothing we could do. Uh, Web Simpson says, I thought I've got nothing to lose so I texted Tom, something like, I know it's a really tough decision for you. I know Chris Kirk, just one, I know Bill Haas is playing really good, and you even have

other options other than that, but I really want to be on the team. I'm sorry, I really, really, really want to be on the team, and I really want to represent the United States. I love this format, and I'll do anything to be on the team. And I also have some compromising photos of you that you might not want. Get it out. This is like at 4.30 in the morning, and Simpson said, I told him about my passion for the Ryder Cup. From my one experience, how much I cared about it,

how much I believed I thought I could bring with team. Nothing over the other guys, but just, hey, Modina's still there. I think about it, and I won another shot. I didn't have a lot of interaction with Captain in terms of texting and phone calls throughout the year. He would text me occasionally that I'm on his radar, but it was kind of the first time I expressed him

how badly I want to be on the team. By the end of the phone call Watson congratulated Simpson and told him he'd be named as a captain's pick later that day, after he had already leaked to people that he was going to be selecting Bill Haas. Jimmy Walker, Spieth and Patrick Reed are the Ryder Cup rookies. And Polter comes into this with a 12 and three Ryder Cup record. I think you got a, you know, Walker, you can backstop in 4-ball.

Right. That's totally true. So you got to remember that. I'm sure that was a consideration. Sorry, this is the year where nine nationalities were represented by Europe. Phil opens the proceedings by saying that within our talking about the team aspect and he says, well, at least we don't litigate against each other in what is the whitest trash talk in the history of trash talk. As GMAC and Rory were involved

in lawsuit over Rory leaving horizon management. Among Rory's perpetit grievances was not receiving terms comparable to McDowell's. Royce filed suit the day before GMax wedding and didn't attend the nuptials. Roy later settled for nearly $30 million. If you want to have an idea for how much money Roy has, he just like wrote a check for $30 million to avoid going to court. There was some controversy around the captaincy. As Darren Clark had previously endorsed Paul McGinley, then later threw his hat in the ring, which started a feud.

Sick. Clark in a letter had informed McGinley that he wasn't interested in the job before team, which helped clear the way for McGinley's captainship. But shortly after the 2012 Ryder Cup in Medina, Clark pulled in about face. Tossing his hat back into the ring to captain the 14 team and in Clark's corner Was Ryder Cup stalwart Lee Westwood who went to bat for the burly Northern Isle of the tournament press conference in Turkey I think Clark and Monty should be co-captains of every team of every team So because Clark his his hair and his beard and sunglasses and all that I mean

Well, this is kind of when he he started like getting buff again, right? Clark, his hair and his beard and sunglasses and all that. Well, this is kind of when he started like getting buff again, right? So it'd be in like a playboy. Yeah. Well, and then Clark changes mind again, proclaiming that he'd rather play on the 14 team than captain it. He also said whoever is standing on that stage opposite Tom Watson needs a huge presence. We seriously need the right man for the job.

So Clark was then backing Colin Montgomery to be again the captain of the 14. Roy McElroy tweets, writer cup captain C. should be a one time thing. Everyone deserving gets their chance to move on. I would love to play under Paul McGinley in 2014. So basically like Roy supports the Irishman and so then there's like with Paul McGinley and Darren Clark were like super close. Like Paul McGinley withdrew from the O6 PGA to attend Darren Clark's wife's funeral. Like that's how close they were. And then yeah, Lee Westwood backed Darren Clark and then it was interesting for him again. Lee's like, do I select a guy that didn't want me as captain?

And he eventually did select Lee Westwood to the team? Lee Westwood's a generational player. Yeah. Get to Friday. Ted Scott is shown on TV warming up headwormers for Bubba Watson on the first tee, one of my favorite images. Well, we forgot. Ricky came in.

This was the excessive jingoism, right? What was that when he had USA shaved into his head? That's correct. You were a sh- Ready to get a haircut? I mean, that is shocking to you. He's completely shocking to hear Rick. What if the British tabloids called him a Felgish Jingoist?

Damn, and I'm upset I missed that. This is the year that Rick you finished top five at all four majors. This is, and Bubba's on this team as the Masters Champion for the second time. How many wins? So, Bubba, how many do you win, Randy? Same amount as Ricky. Friday, Bubba again pumps up the crowd on opposing territory this time. He's playing with Web. The starter confused the two of them. It called Web Simpson Bubba Watson.

Web then skies is opening T-Shot. Barely made to the fairway. I think that's my favorite writer, but I remember him all the time. They lose five and four in the opening match. After begging for a captain's pick, Web is benched until singles. Speed and read go out and demolish

Poulter and Gallagher. Their combined age is 45 years old, which is the youngest in US history. Keegan and Phil beat Sergio and Rory two and a half to one and a half after the four ball session. So it's two and a half, one and a half after the four ball session. Coming off their five and four win,

Tom Watson benches, Speed and Reed. The US musters a half a point, which Walker and Fowler and they lose the rest of the matches in trail five to three at the end of day one. Speed said I was a hundred percent certain we were going back out. Watson said they were very upset with me for not playing them this afternoon. I said I know it's time they learned life's not one big party. I said I know you're going to be mad at me but you'll be playing Saturday for sure. I thought at the time I was the best decision not to play them.

Bubble's probably one. Where are the Eagles were? I can't stress enough to this was like, it's not second guessing. Everybody was like first guessing. Yes, as this was happening. Yeah, and asking for what those reasons were of the decisions, Tom said, I won't go into those.

Saturday morning, Jim Furik with his 1-8-1 career record and four balls sent out in the Saturday morning session, any wins? No one circles the wagon like Jim Furek. Rose and Stenson go out and shoot 12 under in four balls, which is a Ryder Cup record. They beat Kutcher and Bubba 3-2, which is half-top.

Kind of impressive. You can have that. US chips away again, winning the session 2-1-1- two and a half to one and a half and Reed and Speed annihilate Bjorn and Kymur five and three. The afternoon is again a disaster. They get half a point in four sims which comes from Reed and Speed. Reed misses a short putt on the 16th hole to cost the, to eventually cost the U.S. the match.

After playing two matches Friday, Phil sits both matches on Saturday. We will get to Phil here shortly. Karen Kraus, berries, Tom Watson, before Sunday singles. Unlike his friend Kraus, yeah, unlike his predecessor, Davis loved the third, whose team lost to the Europeans for the seven-time and nine competitions. Watson does not have a close relationship with the players who will be leading. Instead of Big Brother Closeness that love brought to the team room Watson appealed to Ted Bishop, P.J. of America, President, because he was a no-nonsense old-school patriarch with a record that commanded respect. I think I should finish him. I actually cut off the rest of the bearing and then copy the rest of that

article in there. Ted Bishop is about to get a little too much respect after this. So Sunday is never close, but Reed arrives on the first tee and a fan yells out, did you practice your Patrick? And like the rest of the crowd, Reed turns and makes his famous arms out just like, what the hell man? So Reed is pissed. During his singles match on the seventh hole, Verstensen reads, Sinks is second straight birdie to have the hole turns to the pro-European

crowd and gives them the shish side. He then proceeded to pump his fist and yell, come on on the way to the next tee, which caused Jack Nicholas to ask on Sky Sports, what in the world is he doing? He's going to inside a riot. Reed goes on to to win his match twirling his club and stalking his approach into the par five finishing hole Rory destroys Ricky five and four the speed falls the falters in the opening match against G-Mac Keegan's last rider cup goes out with a whimper as Jamie Donaldson stuffs it as a walkoff Europeans have retained a lot it loves one on the green. Yeah Ricky went 0- and 3, Randy. Yeah, he played a lot of matches.

Yeah, he and Walker played all four matches together. And they have the first three together, and they sent him out for one more, and they were just exhausted. I think that's the rider cup I watched the most of. Yeah, I watched the reason that one. Come on, let's get to the price. OK, that's almost all of the $ of. Yeah, watch the reason. I watched the reason. Come on, let's get to the press conference. OK, that's almost all of it in the show.

Bubble in three, by the way. Yes, Bubble moved his career record at the Ryder Cup on 4 and soil to 1 and 6. Anyone that was on, question the press conference. Anyone that was on the team at Valhalla, can you put your finger on what worked in 2008 and what hasn't worked since? Mikkelson.

There were two things that allow us to play our best that I think Paul is and you're dead. And one was he got everybody invested in the process. He got everybody invested in who they were going to be playing with, who the picks were going to be, who's going to be in their pod when they would play and they had a great leader for each pod. In my case, we had Ray Floyd and we hung out together and we're all invested in each other's play.

We were invested in picking Hunter that week. Anthony Kim and myself and Justin were in a pod and we were involved in having Hunter be our guide to fill our pod so we're invested in the process. And the other thing that Paul did really well was he had a great game plan for us. You know how we were going to go about doing this. We were going to go about playing together,

the golf ball format, and what we were going to do if so and so was playing well, so and so was not playing well, we had a real game plan. Those two things helped us bring out our best golf and I think that you know We all do the best that we can and we're all trying our hardest And I'm just looking back at what gave us the most success Because we use the same process in the Presidents Cup and we do really well

Unfortunately, we have straight from the winning formula in 08 for the last three rider cups And we need to consider maybe getting back to that formula that really helped us play the best. Next question. Oh, that felt like a pretty brutal destruction of the leadership that's gone on this week, Phil. Oh, I'm sorry you're taking it that way. I'm just talking about what Polazigar did to help us play our best. It's certainly, I don't understand why you were taking it that way.

You asked me what I thought we should do going forward to bring out our best golf and I go back to when we played our best golf and try to replicate the formula. So that didn't happen this week Phil. No, nobody here was involved in any decision so no. So the question goes to Watson. Can you tell us what you think of what Phil said about Paul Azinger? Tom Watson. I had a different philosophy as far as being a captain of this team. You know it takes 12 players to win. It's not pods. It's 12 players. And I felt I based my decisions on yes I did talk to the players, but my vice captain's were very instrumental in making decisions as to whom to pair with. I had a different philosophy than Paul. I decided

not to go that way, but I did have most of them playing the practice rounds together who played most of the time in the matches. I think that was the proper thing to do. Yes, I did mix and match a little bit from there, but again, you have to go with the evolution of the playing of the match and see who is playing the best to play with whom and that's what I did. Question. Do you think that Phil was being disloyal because it sounded like that. It was.

Not at all. He has a difference of opinion. That's okay. My management philosophy is different than his. Andy Norse, Ray Floyd, and Stryker were the ass captains. Yes, okay. Fierrick gives a long quote, but the end of it he goes, if I could put my finger on it, I would have changed the shit a long time ago, but we haven't and we're going to keep searching. Afterwards on the day after Jamie Dawson goes on the golf channel and says,

I'm still drunk on television. Yeah, Baba's pushes his four and so record to one and six. Watson's captain's picks go two five and one. The rookies go six two and four. So there's a bit of a bright spot there. There's a ground swell of support here for getting more rookies involved. Yes. As well, if I remember right, Fowldo goes on the air and Rips Sergio's O8 performance and just got roasted He goes on and says refers to Garcia as useless and insist the out of bad attitude Sergio comments on it goes that's unfortunate. He said with a laugh I guess he doesn't feel European. That's the only thing I think of you know

There's a lot of things I could say about Nick Faldow, but I'm not gonna put myself to his level You've got one of the best rider cut pairings of all time being sat down on a Saturday morning of a Ryder Cup that we go on to lose since Graham McDowell. I'd say Sergio was fairly useless that afternoon, yeah, because he wasn't able to play. So yeah, I agree. Talking about the 08 match when Fowlato set Sergio. G-Mac might be the best. Maccallroy who played with Garcia and Str struggle through 36 holds of them on the opening day,

put his armor on the spandard and said, you're not useless. And that's the end of the 2014 Ryder Cup. Any other lasting memories for that one? Because this is now, we're no longer up exists as of this point. This is the first Ryder Cup that we actually somewhat covered.

I just remember one of my favorite tweets of yours of all time was when NBC was NBC doing the broadcast They started to have like some really bad technical difficulties right would like shit started getting really bad for the US It's all a tweeted a bind of Shout out to vine of From force gump when that soldiers ripping all the cables out love the Tom Watson in the ABC truck. I don't think that's what my favorite.

First of all, I was still in Atlanta at this point. I just remember celebrating all night. It was a huge night for you. I'm still drunk. You know, my wife is As we just citizenship and we yeah, we just we went nuts and just you know celebrate it with our European friends But I celebrated by moving to Europe the next day like that was I was part of it all packed up Was that under the direction of the task force? Correct? Trying to put down some American roots. I had to go up there. I got the system. They're winning ways

So the task force is invented now. Correct. So 2016 DL3 vs. Daring Clark. Do you have a question, Randy? Well, yeah, I guess. Did Tom Watson deserve the criticism? Yeah, for sure. Like, for sure.

And I would couch that by saying, I would say the captain is almost always over- Yes, inflated. Like the importance say the captain is almost always like over yes inflated like the importance of the captain is always over exaggerated. You can't accept for that point. Like that like I don't think you can do that much good but you can do a lot of bad. How does the guy like him screw it up that badly? It's not being in touch with what's going on and the captain's fix were just weak selections. I mean I remember you specifically Randy were like we're calling for like a blow up of the system

You I forget who the young names where I remember them being really outrageous that you threw out He's like Kebka give me yeah, oh, we that was the early days of campaigning for Kebka But it was like just just throw them all out there just throw the young guys out there What do we have to lose we lose this every year like. Like, when I was about to go down swinging. Yeah. Well, I think part of it too is getting your asses kicked in for some. Like that's where the captain matters, actually. Yeah, they lost seven to one in force.

Well, and then benching your best to some. Yeah. Well, and it's also just, yeah, a captain can't get a, wow, probably isn't your deal, but you can't get a ton out of like a bad team, a non-talented team. Almost always the more talented team wins. You're being a great team. Yeah, and that's the thing though,

is like this isn't like high school golf that we're talking about here. Like all the people on both teams, like the margin between them over 18 holes is so small. Correct. I think that, I don't know, there are some intangible things you can do to make a difference, I guess.

It's just, on some level, I mean, it's probably a little bad luck when you're ripped as being a bad captain, but... There's for sure a lot of luck. There was a lot of like creative luck. The captain's most important role is strictly intangibles, I think. Just creating a good atmosphere. Managing ego. It was the feeling like you're part of the process, too. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, if you ask like this year, tees up so well with pairings, like it would take a lot of effort to really screw up, like if JT and Tiger were to play together and read and speak were to play together, and DJ and Brooks, like that is, if that's 75% of your roster, no one can question any of those decisions, but you can get too cute with it and pair people that don't want to be paired together and again it's all going to come down to kind of who plays the best but I think that's what fills quote is like captain's putting you in a position to play your best is what's important. Well I've heard too I mean it sounds like Phil likes to be exceptionally involved in the process

and comes with all of his own stats and works with statisticians or as who he should be paired with in for sums and all that stuff. So, but I think kind of the question too is like did he deserve that publicly? And I think it kind of had to happen publicly for them to really change the system and the system change from then there on and it's small sample, but things are working out much different than that. I guess that's where I disagree. I mean, I think it's effective to do it publicly, but I think the system was gonna change either way. Based on what Furek has said and what DL3 has said,

and all that, it kind of seems like. And if you do read Phil's quote closely, it isn't personal to Watson. It does reference what happened this week is not the way that it should be. Just inherently personal, just captain seats. Of course, it is. And so it wasn't meant as an attack on Tom Watson.

It was just kind of like, this isn't the way we should do it. Not even from the captain's standpoint, like the brain trust of the PJ of America and the committee that eventually was formed to build this system up of guys that are going to come through the ranks of America and the committee that eventually was formed to like build this system up of guys that are going to come through the ranks of being assistant captains to eventually become captains instead of like swooping in for your two years of captaincy without any real like.

Tom had been removed from the process for how many years and to get thrown back into it, it just wasn't, it wasn't a good fit. So regardless that team was not very good. 2016 Davis love the third versus Darren Clark. So following the European victory the PGA America created the Ryder Cup Task Force. Consistive three PGA officials and eight players with Ryder Cup experience. There were three previous captains which were Ray Floyd, Tom Layman and Davis Love with Ricky Fowler, Jim Furick, Phil Meckleson,

Steve Sticker and Tiger Woods. Task Force considered a number of issues, including the selection of the Ryder Cup Captain and Vice Captains and the team selection process. So the conclusion of this task force were announced on February 24th, 2015, which announced a number of changes for the 2016 contest. Davis Love's gonna be the captain.

New criteria were specified for selection of vice captains in addition. Number of changes were made to the team selection process and then the 11 man task force disbanded after that announcement and was replaced with a smaller six man rider cup committee. Like the fellowship of the ring. I think they were tired of people making fun of the of the task force. So the committee includes love, Michelson, and Woods. So for everyone that thinks Phil might not be on the team, he's like on the committee.

He's going to be on the team. So there are a number of changes from 14. The captains picks were increased from three to four, and selections being made later than they were previously, especially moving the fourth and last pick to less than a week before the Ryder Cup, right, after the completion of the Torch Championship, which is otherwise known as the Horseshoe Rule.

Keppka is the lone rookie to make it on points. Let's go through the entire roster there. Again, captain by DL3, it's DJ, spith, phil, Patrick Reed, Jimmy Walker, Keppka, Snetaker, ZJ, and the four captains picks are JB Holmes, Ricky Fowler, Matt Kutcher, and Ryan Moore. For Europe, Darren Clark's team is Rory McElroy, Danny Willett, Henrik Stinson, Chris Wood, Sergio, Rafa, Justin Rose, Andy Sullivan, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Lee Westwood, Martin Kimer, and Thomas Peters.

So the Euros have four rookies on points. Willett, Wood Sullivan Sullivan and Fitzpatrick? Kind of forgot about Sullivan. That they've been on the gas. Totally forgot to put in the event. Tiger Woods is a vice captain. Going back. A past captain.

Yeah. Going back. So behind the gas captain. Ryan Moore loses in a playoff to Rory at the Torch Championship. Love decides that evening that Moore is getting the call. On that same night Arnold Palmer died. There was a big planned announcement for the pick during Sunday night football,

which later gets subdued because of the announcement of the death of Arnie. So yeah, Ryan Moore has got to get fit for clothing and has got to be like in a Hazel team by the next day after being to play off in the Torch Championship. This was kind of my whole point with like these guys are so close together on their talent level and all the stuff that it's like look I know we have a two-year two-year qualifying process but you know what I really this got really impressed me. I think this is just generates $75 million each one of them. They can't take sizes from guys

Who aren't on the team? I think they do eight weeks before I think they'd actually do do that But like his all the name plates and everything none like they're 23 of them are printed and they're just waiting for the last Spot so like all the bags and everything and None of that's arranged until the very next day. So Tigers the vice the ask, Lee Westwood's thoughts. I don't know what impact there will be from having Tiger around. They've always struggled to find a partner for Tiger that's been successful. He could have an adverse effect in the team room.

People have always seemed to try to do too much when they're partnered with him. Lee Westwood went 0 and 3 in matches. Darren Clark, there might be nothing better than like the overthinking of the Ryder Cup as well. Darren Clark, there seem to be some issues about Team Spirit and chemistry. Love has not picked the Baba Watson and I don't know what that does for Team Spirit. He was first outside on points qualification and is number 7 in the world. Baba then volunteers to be an assistant captain despite not getting picked and shows up and acts an assistant captain. Ted Scott came too, which I'm really confused. I actually give Bubba a lot of credit. Yeah, for sure. I agree. I just thought it was weird

that that's bigger you, John. Basically, you had a the Bubba would not be picked, not for golf reasons. I mean, he's one of the best players in the world He's seventh in the world at the time and was one out of this on points So you basically don't pick him for personality So then you bring him into the team room for personality. Yeah, and don't bring his golf clubs was kind of just a weird Again, I'm pretty fair point. I think I think that the US you know the process worked But like the European team this year was just so poor that it kind of wiped out a lot of stuff that happened, I think. My main takeaway from watching was A, that the protracer on that one hole, where DJ,

Kevka... DJ Kevka Peters and Cooture. And then Cooture was... No, no, no, no. Cooture figured out the right. Rory, Rory. Right. No, but Cooture was...

It was Rory and... Yeah, whoever it was, was like was a DJ and Couture were heading out there three three sixty I can Rory the keyters Yeah, and they all took the same line and Couture was about 60 yards right of the dog like that and then Fitzpatrick just getting vaporized Well, he only got the what are you only get like two do you play two matches? Yeah, and he just looked like he brought a water pistol out. Yeah. And he didn't really have his game. You could tell he was nervous and stuff.

Right. Leading into the event, Danny Willett's brother does him no favors. He writes a supposedly satirical column about American fans says US fans are brainless. They're pudgy, basement dwelling, irritants stuffed on cookie dough and pissy beer, pausing between mouthfuls of hot dogs so they can scream bababooie until their jelly faces turn red. That's not wrong.

Look, he makes a lot of good points. To be honest, he got absolutely roasted by the fans. This was right to take your fucking satire somewhere else. This is a month we We don't want it. The election. And things were taking a bit of a populist turn in the United States of America. I think if he wasn't Danny Willett's brother, if he was say Lee Westwood's brother or somebody else's brother.

Yeah, well, it was kind of still kind of an unknown quantity. Rory is coming in, Vibe and he won two playoff events in the FedEx Cup. And also worth noting that Tigers rocking the chin strap beard as well. Friday morning, the U.S. sweeps the morning for some speed and read when three and two, this is the only team match that Rory loses. In the afternoon, Rose and Stenson go off on read and spieth, and they finally lose their first match as partners Sneds and Capca the only group that gets on the board for the US in the day ends with the US up five to three

Rory eagles the 16th hole to seal he and Peters match and he takes a bow to the crowd as the evening ended Again, he's five and pretty hard Saturday morning for sums again go to Europe, roaring Peter's disposal of Phil and Ricky, Sneds and Kebka combined for another win, Reed and Spieth run out of steam and up having their match against RCB. Now this is when... Yeah, so but that was the last match out, so Love had already submitted the pairings for that afternoon, so Reed and Spieth were gonna go back out, but after seeing them falter that morning,

he probably would have sat them. Spieth is just absolutely toast. And on Saturday afternoon, Reed delivers one of the all-time Ryder Cup performances, strapping Jordan Spieth to his back and carrying him across the finish line to beat Justin Rose and Hendrick Sensen at a four ball match that had Rose's caddy

applauding in Reed's direction just after they shook hands at the end of the 16th green. I think Griller need some... some shit props there too. The highlight was Reed holding an eagle from the fairway on the 6th hole and as he approached the 16th green the fans chanted Patrick Reed, Patrick Reed over and over again and Jordan's speed got in on it after Reed I think birdie the 16th always starts leading the cheer Patrick Reed Patrick like Greller was actually catting for Reed at that point.

This is certainly possible. This afternoon is when the shit got really really testy. Rory has an altercation with a fan, a fan yells out, hey Rory suck a dick and Rory stops and has the fan ejected. Not very clever. He and Peter's whoop up on Keppka and DJ that afternoon and on the ninth T-Box, he leans over to me with the pairing that I wanted of DJ and Keppka and he's beating

and says, hey, you got your wish. Maybe the biggest alpha move. Maybe. So, going in the Sunday, read and Rory get the top billing, read Eagles the fifth to get the match back to even and the drive will par 4, he drives it, and makes about an eight foot eagle putt. Rory rolls in a birdie on the par 5, 6,

and unleashed a raving yell and a fist pump towards a fan that had previously said something to him, and stared down the fan for an extended period of time. This was not suck of dick guys. This was someone else's. It's a different guy. They already skipped past a sweet Caroline part. Yeah, I missed that part.

But yeah, one of the, he's, the fans are taunting him throughout the week about Caroline Wozniaki for some reason. And they're singing sweet Caroline at him and he goes, the other sweet Caroline, he claps back, goes, and he claps back goes oh oh oh good times never seem so good screams it right back at him so he's just absolutely like vibe in out of his mind. Read answers Roy's birdie and bowed towards the crowd in an obvious mocking gesture towards Roy's Friday evening bow in the direction of the fans after he and Peter's won their four ball match. Roy's back was already turned so he didn't see what Reed did next, which was wag his finger

at him like De Kimbe Matamba. Seventh hole was more of the same. Reed makes Birdie loses his mind. Roy birdies on top of him, quietly turns towards the crowd and puts his fingers to his lips, does the vintage Patrick Reed fish move. They go to the eighth hole, Roy's 50 feet away on the par three, drains the 50 footer, puts both hands to his ears and yells, I can't hear you towards the fans surrounding the green.

Reed follows by making a 25 foot birdie putt, turns to Roy and finger wags at him. Roy backs down a little bit at this point, if I'm being honest. Like Roy's running a gas. Well, no, but Roy, like he went up and like fist pumped Reed after that. Like I don't think Reed was joking during any of this.

And yeah, I think Roy was like having a good time. And yeah, Reed is like dead serious and they fist pump and they kind of run out of gas. They get, Reed makes a sloppy bogey on the 17th hole and it goes to the 18th. Read Stuff's approach has got about an eight foot put. He drains it and before the putty even falls is turning around double arming fist pump and cement this place in Ryder Cup history for one of the most epic performances. Phil and Sergio have an insane match, both

players shooting 63 to have it. Yeah, the Euros got within one win Cabrebeo beat Jimmy Walker, but the US win nuts winning five in the next six matches and have the other. They win single seven and a half to four and a half and they card a 17 to 11 victory. Peters goes four and one, Fitzpatrick, Sullivan, Westwood and Willock combined to go 0 for 10. I think RCB needs a captain's pick. He's probably prime for one.

I think that final pick. Justin Rose goes ham in the press conference in the European but hurt process begins again. I thought the setup was incredibly weak. I thought it was very much a pro-AM feel in terms of pin placements. They were all middle of the green. It was. I don't quite understand that to be honest with you

We are world class players We want to showcase our skills. We want to be tested for example the water holes out there all pins was far away from the water As possible pin on 17 was an absolute joke. It's a nine iron into the middle of the green then you stiff it So with a match on the line You kind of feel like you want to have something you want to you want to play to step up a little bit more than they have to Roach out like even par. It was a disgrace. Pro and pins.

US team comes into the press conference, just absolutely hammered. ZJ pops a bottle of champagne off into the crowd, and he goes, four left. And everything's good in the US Ryder Cup world. And that's where our story ends. Happy ending. That's where it picks up this year and you're just gonna dust them.

We'll see about that. What was your favorite thing we learned today? Halimony. Halimony. That's pretty good. I forgot about, I was reading while you were going on about Ted Bishop. Oh yeah, he had to refresh my memory while he got Alistair. I didn't know. Just tell much of an alpha Cory payments

white floss. Yeah. Yeah. Can we give a quick shout out to Ted Bishop? I'm sure there were many back room situations going on but Ted Bishop basically getting outed for calling. What did he say that Polter was being a quote, little girl, acting like a little girl. And people made it into like this really big sexist thing. Yeah, and then last the job. current PJ American president just got a DUI and was in like the commercial of the BGAJM chip Whatever cares. I think I'm just picturing this. I think that Ted Bishop and Fowdo were like drinking together

I've no insight in phone this but I picture it as it was so random having like in the middle of the night. Yeah. How dare you challenge Fado. He's a legend. You're a little girl that got him fired or unfounded as he said. With like 30 days to go in his excessive way. Yeah. It may have been some other maybe. Yeah. I'm sure that was. Parallel. Yeah. So, that's it. That's the World History of the Redder Cup of the last 20 years. Great work. That's a lot of research. It was a lot of fun.

I learned a lot along the way. Hopefully you guys did as well. Tune into another episode of Hardcore History in six months. Cheers. Cheers. All right. All right.

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