No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 179: “The Match” Recap

Episode Date: November 24, 2018

Phil Mickelson has won the $9 million match in Vegas, and we break down the broadcast, how they could have made the match more interesting, and where this event fits into the world of golf.... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 179: “The Match” Recap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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entertained for like a good period of time. Yeah, we had some friends over it was nice. It was lovely. If you took Twitter away from me I don't think I would have been as true. That's true. Just to get to get to get take. Yeah Twitter was a performance. We tried to take Twitter away from you We were never we're never allowed to I know you're not happy about the Ricky twig. He gets cranky tried to take Twitter away from you. We were never we're never allowed to. I know you're not happy about the Ricky. He gets cranky. He takes Twitter away from you've been on very good behavior lately. I have. Yeah. Discipline Tron. Almost unnervingly. We are. It's a little too quiet. Do we want to do we want to focus on darkest? Do we want to focus on the positives? We're recording this Friday night. The match just ended Phil one in 22 holes or whatever it was. Do you want to start with the positives or we want to have a very specific positive? Go ahead. Yeah, the blimp shot above the put.

Yes, 100% that was cool. Awesome. We think it was a blimp. Many people could have been the predator. Many people suggested it was a predator job. That would have been very low for us. The way it was zoomed in, it looked like a blimp shot. That was phenomenal. Very cool. That's a good positive. That's all I look.

It's Thanksgiving. Let's all go around. We'll say one thing we're thankful for. Fourth things, is that right? Yeah, sure. Do you want to lead off? Yeah, sure. Listen, it's an easy one, and I don't want to steal one for

anyone else. I'm thankful for, I know we're biased. I'm thankful for our guy Shane Bacon. I thought he did a great job. He was working hard out there. I was pissed. Underutilized, depending on the... Yeah, I was kind of pissed that, and I don't want to get him in any hot water here, but like, it was kind of pissed that, yeah, they didn't go down the stretch more. I mean, it was like... It was not what it was described as. We had heard it was going to be like, hey, he was going to talk to them about their careers and just kind of get the conversation

going. And it was clear that Phil and Tiger needed help getting the conversation going. Yeah. And I think that was something that was pretty easily anticipated. And they could have been more prepared for that. Yeah. And they're even making changes on the fly. Yes. And they kind of turned them into, you know, looking at kind of revamping what the challenges were and what action was going on. And then the, it at kind of revamping what the challenges were and what action was going on. And then the, it's kind of seemed like both guys

like forgot about the whole challenge thing after maybe the 12th or 13th hole. All right, this is getting serious. Yeah, which, we're not talking as much now, huh? Yeah, so then I guess that kind of cut bacon out. But listen, we're focusing on the positives. I thought he did a great job and a huge step for him. He did do a good job.

I think a huge positive was hearing the conversations and we'll get to a very large negative around those conversations, but I honestly think it's gonna be really hard to go from hearing that to not hearing it anymore. And people that thought it was gonna be groundbreaking hilarious stuff between this two, that was, that's on you, I think.

I think it's very incremental. Yeah, but the whole point of being able to hear these conversations isn't, it's not gonna be groundbreaking. It's not gonna be amazing, but hearing Phil talk about, like it just dropped 10 degrees and the grain is a little bit into them and the thought process that goes into choosing a club. That was wonderful.

That's tremendous and that's what golf is missing. Now, I think some people thought it was gonna be just incredible ripping on each other and it just wasn't, that's way too hard. I'm glad they didn't do that, to be honest. Yeah, that would have been a mega-forced, and obvious, but being able to hear those sounds and even just the little exasperation

over the many missed putts, just like, oh, damn it, damn it, oh, I didn't hit it. It's a good one, dear. Hearing Phil, like, damn it. Damn it, oh, I didn't hit it. It's a bit of a deal. Hearing Phil, like, Huff and Puff, like that is a huge missing aspect of golf. So for that matter, that was a huge positive for me. Randy? Randy positive?

I'm gonna take more of a mic, macro of you. I'm gonna be thankful for Tiger's health. You know how cool is it? I bet this time last year, we didn't even know if he'd ever play any meaningful golf again And here's cool, that's very cool. I don't think it's giving competing in a match against Phil Mikkelson That's cool. I want it. I got one more thing. I'm extremely thankful for okay the MVP of the day Was Natalie Goldbus. Oh what I don't even say that the snarky way like she did her job like I wish Jacobson would have

Take it a cue that's taken a cue. That's true. Her book. That's true. Um, are we always like a slight backhand to compliment? I thought the lack of commercials was super engaging. I was hard to pick a time. Yeah. I thought it was a little dicey that they said there was going to be no commercials and then they're definitely worth. There was like some 30-second ones they would picture and picture. I'm fine with that, I'm fine with that trade, but I was legitimately wondering, like, when do you go to the bathroom? Give them an inch.

Yeah, it was a little bit, but they gave it away for free anyways. That's true, yeah, they didn't take it with me. I was gonna say, I'm thankful for the chaos with the broken log in and somebody's getting it. I'm sure people's heads were exploding somewhere. I gotta think that was tested beforehand. You gotta be ready to go on game day with,

like for the money maker, the get your money in the door. That is like this. Yeah, and it's one of the things that I was most nervous about coming in, I think, was everybody always talks about the idea of streaming and how this is the future, this is what everybody's gonna be doing. Gosh, it's so easy this is the future. This is what everybody's going to be doing. Gosh, it's so easy. Cut the cord.

This is so simple. I don't know why you guys are not doing it. And I'm like, God, realistically though, it's always harder than it's supposed to be. And I feel like I'm pretty decent. You know, I have many friends who work with computers that can help me out. And well, gosh, if these two works with computers, if these two works with computers, if these two plucky little, you know,

startups can figure it out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, I haven't read the fine print, but is there going to be some sort of, like super classy class action loss? That means we paid, and other people didn't have to. Well, I think that's a question for the CFO.

Do you feel like you were taking advantage of, you know, we paid our 20 bucks here at the Kale House. Yeah, I, well, listen, I tweeted at him. I hope to receive a response from Capital One. And I will explore all, you have, listen, you have my word, I will explore all options. All remedies this week. All options are on the table.

To make the situation right. Okay, cool. Well, we're not there. Some money goes to Phil and Tiger at least, you know, where it should go. So that's true. Are we ready? Are we done with positive?

Did you shout out the Faws already? Big day for Faws. Yeah, I don't know if this is a positive, but big day for the Faws. Big day. I think I'm thankful for the Faws. I thought it was like today and every day. It was fine.

I mean, again, this is going to be a theme I think with me is for what that was. Yeah, fine. It cares. The whole thing is a giant spectacle. And it's... It was actually pitch perfect. Yeah, I thought it was kind of a perfect fit for that. And yeah, I mean, it was whatever.

The course is fine. Yeah, it goes to match play and they set it up pretty good for birdies and they just didn't make birdies and of course it's a setting. Phil had one tiny little comment that again, I know we'll get into this later, but you know, you just couldn't explore anything that those guys had said. Like, that's, let me preface this because we're gonna have a lot of telecast talk. None of us are TV producers.

There's probably a reason why a lot of this stuff can't happen and I apologize in advance for suggesting any of the impossible. But as a fan, it's like when Phil is saying, when you catch him saying little things like he was saying to Mark Russell, when he was walking off one of the greens, you know, hey, I thought it was going to be soft out here, but the way the balls have rolled out, it's just we haven't really been able to hit it close. Boom, that's awesome. Now feed that to Bacon. Hey, we just heard Phil say this go ask him about this on the next hole and like get more of an answer And that would have been awesome to hear them mic'd up in that way and instead it was I'm gonna do the peer-jagging Yeah, let me let me let me let me let me let me let me let me set the stage, you know, yeah I thought it was really hard. You know, we're trying to we're trying to really catch We're trying to hit it close and these greens are just too. No, I'm not. He gave me that. He gave me that. He should give him this pot. I'm to the point

where I don't think there should have been, maybe there should have been something in the pre-game show to throw it down, but don't even have guys in a booth or in a thing, just have just have one or two on-course commentators. Yeah. and it should have been walking back and forth with the producers that, hey, ask him more about this, get this. They could have MC the whole thing. Well, that was the other thing about Bacon that it wasn't until, I wanna say, maybe even like the first playoff hole

when Tiger, I think the first playoff hole, was when he drove it in the, he's like, had his feet in the straw off the tee. And that was, I think like the first time, unless I just missed it, when they were like, hey Bacon, like Shane, what's like, had his feet in the straw off the tee. And that was, I think like the first time, unless I just missed it, when they were like, hey, Bacon, like Shane, what's his lie? It looked like down there. He did a couple times during the round blood.

But it's like, why didn't you do that in every shot? Like, that's what they'll do on the PJ Tour when they have, you know, they went, was it a playoff last week, two weeks ago? I don't know, we cares. But it was, last week, Charles Hall. But I'm pretty, Charles Hall. That was cool.

That was cool. It was cool. They had one commentator, Charles Hall. But Charles Hall. Charles Hall pretty check. That was cool. It was cool. They had one commentator with Charles Hall's ball, one commentator with Patrick Rogers ball. And Oberholzer. Yeah, and it was like, let's throw it back and forth. And it's like, okay, you're here. He has this lie, he's got this number.

Like why? Well, it's kind of like, hey, you want us to take this seriously and treat it like a real event and cover it as you would real golf shots and all that. And that's where I think it comes to the crux of the problem is that it just felt like it was trying to be all things to all people. It was trying to, right, the Charles Clark, you up for like the casual fans, which I totally get.

And then it was trying to like, no, no, no, it's a serious match for the hardcore fans. And I'm like, this is neither. And I think Tron was all over. Tron was all over this that like bringing Peter Jacobson was like the biggest worry. This is neither. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is. I don't know what this is.

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Yeah, sure. The Maris school. Shout out to the Maris school. But I think he does a fine job. But it just felt like, I kind of mentioned this to you guys, it felt like these guys just got in a routine where, or they just almost got like uncomfortable with the silence and fell back into like muscle memory. Because for the first hour, I know you mentioned it, saw how cool the first hour was, that

felt like, okay, guys, everyone we're doing something totally different and it's okay to not talk and it's okay to do this and let's just do things differently. And then it became... They panicked with that first-filled tiger conversation. It was, because it's just do things differently. And then it became a panic with that first Phil tiger conversation. It was, yeah. It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, let it go.

Yeah, like that's what we're tuning in for. Like hearing those guys, and Julian Surrey was here hanging out. And I just made the comment like, it's not always interesting. It's like, dude, the conversations are never interesting. It's just us talking about like sports and other stuff. But yeah, that's what we want to be tuned into, like just let that happen. And they panic, I think.

Yeah, and then I think by the end of it, it just felt like they had gone into total muscle memory as far as how they would call a normal golf tournament. It was, it was, it's so hard to explain, but it felt like the same exact cadence of what a golf tournament would be, it would be contact, and then it would be

a quick reaction from Phil, like, oh man, I just, I didn't catch all of that one, and then it'd be the broadcaster. And it would be a quick reaction from Phil like oh man I just I didn't catch all of that one and then it'd be the broadcaster and it's like exactly what you feel like if you're watching CBS on And that doesn't work when you have also two other mics that are live Yeah, that was and that was kind of a weird thing. I thought is Managing the microphones with tigers. I'm gonna give him live correct then tell Jacobson to shut the hell off Yes, yeah I'm straight up like that was... Maddening.

It was honestly maddening. After six or seven holes, it was obvious enough to where you would have thought, all right, this is clear that we need to dial him back, that we need to readjust here, and that just didn't happen. I was gonna say the most maddening thing to me is, like down the stretch, I would have loved for them to utilize Shane Bacon talking to

the other guy while his opponent was playing. Yeah. Hey, what are Phil's tendencies on this show? As Phil's standing over a 20 footer to win the whole like, hey, Tiger, what do you think here? You think he's going to give us those insights, which you're never going to get on a regular broadcast. And maybe it's a learning experience thing where it's You know they'll they'll do it differently the next time or they they went extra safe this time

But I made the comment to you guys it was like I watch a lot of like music documentaries And you can always tell the ones that are produced by the band and the ones that aren't and that one felt like it was Produced by the band and it was like hey, we don't want to ever feel uncomfortable with this and like leave this out and leave this out and it's like okay well that's the interesting yeah I got I guess I got really good access technically but like I feel like there's a lot you guys are not telling me on what's going on it was definitely not the metallic document it was not the metallic documentary it was the Oasis documentary that's what I was hoping the 9 million was okay you if you want to play for that much money

then you have to give up yes you want to play for that much money, then you have to give up. Yes, you've got to give control. And so on the flip side of that, there's kind of a sort of backhanded compliment to be given as far as actually getting this thing off the ground because there were so many people involved in making this happen.

And so to actually get all those people rowing in the right direction and get them all to a place where they all felt comfortable enough to actually make it happen is legitimately impressive. Correct. But, however, to make it feel like it just, it feels like it's designed by committee. It felt like the first time. People were stepping all over each other and it just, it didn't feel like there was any, like I heard all this shit about creativity and experiential from

the dude that came on and it's like, dude, we didn't see any of that. Right. Yeah. A little bedding odds on screen. That was different. I thought having cameraman on the greens is a big step and I get why you can't do that in the future. I know the light on stuff was creative but some some of the stuff, it just felt like they were

it reverting the same old path. And maybe that's to their credit, like maybe that's because there's not that much more you can do. And that might be the case, but at the same time it's hard to, you know, it's hard to sell it as otherwise. So maybe this is like the last question that we talked to, and you can think about it,

but I mean, if there was another one scheduled for three months from now, would you buy it? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's our job. Yeah. Well, you know what I'm asking. Well, is it kind of a fool me once? That's what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at. Here's what they need.

I will get into kind of some of the ways I can fix it. Like we talked about, it's got to be for people. Like, one verse one is too tough to carry and it doesn't promote like a, as much shit talking as what would happen with like a 2v2, an alternate shot with like real money on the line and you're not only playing for yourself

but also your partner. That is way more intriguing than like, the alternate shots for at the World Cup of Golf yesterday. Or huge. Like, I think four or five teams shot in the 80s. He's like, top 100 players in the world. The issue is like nobody cared who actually won. Unless you bet on one of the two, I did not have any care which one of these two guys won.

I think that's an issue. I do think, all right, going back to the positives, I do think that the camera work was good. Yeah, it was cool. You know, like I think they did a good job of showcasing the chorus they had some cool drone stuff. But that's never the issue. Like the camera's always good.

So you know what I mean? I agree with you. I think they did have more, you felt a little bit more like you were there. I felt way closer to this. And I honest, it's having the two guys mic'd up and just hearing the little really dumb stuff, just even hearing them concede puts to each other

as much as that's not like that noteworthy, it adds to the overall viewing experience. I felt way more engaged with it, rather than hearing guys talk, and if they would let that happen more, it would have felt better. Here's where I come out is, let me pose this to you hypothetically, right? If we're going to set up a Phil versus Tiger match, and we're going to have cool camera angles, we're going to get the cameras right. What's literally the first thing we would think to do?

Let's mic them up, right? Yeah. So like beyond that, they didn't do a single thing creatively. Like what was there that was different or cooler? Like made you think like, oh wow. Like because everything was tethered to the booth. Yeah. Now that's the key problem I think.

So I'm giving them no credit for creativity. Like the production, the suits that like design this whole thing, like literally we could have done a better job just by saying those two things. Like, hey, let's get the cameras right. Let's do everything. We can do it there. Almost make it feel more low-fi.

And then let's mic it up. And then if we just had no other audio, that's better than what was today. I think it's where kind of feeling like what we said earlier, being stuck in the middle and kind of trying to be all things all people like, you know what, I honestly would have enjoyed more is just put like, Samuel L. Jackson in the booth, like by himself.

Like I'd rather hear his story. For him and Chuck. I'd rather hear their stream of confidence. They could have put the NBA tonight. Yeah, it was Chuck, literally. Yeah, like guys who are good at talking, like talking to you. Just talking to you.

Like how much better is that than just, boy, he really wants to make this one. Yeah, really. Does he? Holy shit. Like respect for you. Peter Jacobs' hand, Ernie, I love him. Like Pat Perez must have been like on his best behavior

because apparently everybody says how awesome he is. And yeah, but it's like get guys up there who are willing and are good at you know talking Well, and that's what we were talking about earlier is I think and maybe I'm wrong and I'm sure people will get after me if we are But I feel like the inside the NBA I feel like the inside the NBA guys or whatever it's called on TNT is yeah Like those guys are pretty unanimously Like right? I mean like right and it's because they don't try to polish it up too much and they don't speak in cliches.

And they just like have a good time with each other and you feel like you're watching, whatever you're watching, you feel like you're watching it with your buddies or like people on, it's real, on the couch. Yeah, and so what's so funny to me is rather than go for in golf, when you're trying to do the same thing in golf,

rather than like trying to develop the same kind of thing as that They get the guys from inside the Just try to make the golf version of that like holy shit guys You're yeah before we get any farther solid. Do you have any idea what was the michael's bag today? We do have an idea. I thought you might aside from the PM grind He did have a PM grind wedge in the bag. He has 14 Callaway clubs, Rogue Sub Zero Driver and Fairway Woods, X Forged Utility Ions

and the Apex MB Ions. He even had a new putter in the bag. I don't know if you guys noticed the Odyssey Stroke Lab prototype putter. You guys totally noticed that, right? For sure. Yeah. Well, that's for sure. I think I told you that DJ I told you that well, Randy you play the PM grind wedges

What I mean? Well, they've been kind of a game changer the PL grind The PL have a certain amount of skill to be able to to activate the properly Yeah, they are good out of sand. I thought they were really like using an ATV out of the butter Yeah, like a knife through butter out of the sand which we saw on 18 I don't feel you hit the PM PM grind out of that shot or not. He would have had to. I would have think, right? I think so.

That's what PM grinds for. Gosh, think about next time you've got a fried egg. Over the water. It's over the water with a waterfall looming for $9 million. So you're going to have that PM grind. You're going to feel so much more confident, Randall. He also uses the Chrome SAF, ChromeSoft X Golf Ball. And you can check out his full what's in the bag specs

in detail at CallawayGolf.com. Let's get back to business. Then the challenges. They were let down. You know, I know they had to be pretty arranged and everything and the gaming commission had to sign off on them and all that, but that was, I mean, that felt super flat. When they started, I think the first couple were okay And then when they started a mid like a hundred thousand if somebody makes a two here on this three hundred eighty yard hole like

What are we even doing all right? Let's make it a million. Oh, that that changes things Yeah, congrats on both part you both part in Congrats and then film Mrs the green. Yeah And that was that was amazing. I think that was I think that was in reaction to any of the blowback on, you know, it's not their money that they're playing for. I know. And all of that, and that's where again, it's like, they try to patch it up.

Okay, you're trying to like be everything to every years. So I think going back to the live show that we did beforehand, I think that's an important distinction that you had about the money and it's like, hey, this isn't in PGA tour terms or whatever, this isn't that egregious. No, there was a couple issues. Well, that was like the whole thing.

Well, that was the whole thing that, you know, honestly, that's like part of what made me more excited for the match was almost like my own backlash to the backlash, which was probably not a good way to go through life, but, you know, the people who are super fired up about the money and this is disgusting that they're playing for this much money. I can't believe they would do this.

This is so insulting and it's egregious and it's... Shout out to all the British journalists. And it's classless. And maybe the photo where Phil's doing whatever the hell he's doing. I'm standing next to the money. Yeah, I'm kinda surprised. I'm kinda surprised.

That's not ideal. But if you think that, like, this is the first event in the history of golf to be reckless with how much money's going to guys that already have a ton of money, please pay attention. Hey, you don't watch a lot of golf. And be like, I just, I don't know what you're expecting. Like, what did you think?

There's a couple of things. Number one, which is for comparison. I said this on the live show too, but you want to. Like, what did you think? There's a couple of things. Number one, which is for comparison. I said this on the live show too, but you wanna talk about like piles and piles and piles of piles of money. And I'm not saying there's a bad thing. I'm just, Scrooge McDogs.

I'm just saying that like this exists. Phil has one more, he won nine million dollars today for a single match. He has won 10 and a half million dollars, 10.4 million, something like that, of FedEx Cup bonus money, without ever having won the FedEx Cup. So, but in Dustin's one 10 and a half,

he's won another 100 grand more than Phil without winning the FedEx Cup. Next year, the FedEx Cup bonus money's going to $70 million. Like $70 million, everyone knows the winner gets 15 or 25, if they win both or whatever, but like the rest of that money just kind of like, slips off into the ether 15 or 25 if they win both or whatever, but Like the rest of that money just kind of like slips off into the ether and you can look up who wanted if you want but Of all the cat all of all the checks that are gonna be cashed this year in professional golf This is the 10th most

Egregious thing that's gonna happen every week. There's an anonymous guy who wins $300,000. Whoever wins Tigers event in the Bahamas wins. And all of that, almost a million dollars. All of that comes from like TV purses, which are propped up by these two guys. So I know that's a gross oversimplification, but still, it's a way for them to get their piece of the pie

and I'm fine with that. For sure, right? Right, because when they tie with like William McGurth in an event they Collect the same amount of money from the event despite selling way more tickets to that event and I get and they've benefited Plenty financially don't give you out out shot off the law for carriers But the same people that are mad about this and this like I hope this doesn't sound Intensitive but the same people who are mad about this are the people who are like, you know the world cup should have higher ratings. I'm like, yeah, yeah, maybe, man.

Like we watch it. Yeah, I wish it did, but like it fucking doesn't. So, like, what do you want, man? Like this is how it works. If more people were interested, more people would be interested. Yeah, you can't just say, fucking machines, man. Like this is how the world works.

So you're saying people that hate the amount of money and golf really just hate capitalism. Well, listen, that's a topic for another podcast. Speaking of brand, and I are starting a separate podcast, actually, that we just want to talk about. Speaking of capitalism, the wheels up money shot at the end, how good is that?

That just screams a bunch of agents and marketing people sitting in a room that have no... Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Yeah, ship it. Send it. What's up, Dex? Here's the graphic.

Actually, I think the highlight of the day was the strip club call. Yeah, that was good. Somebody, so what I love about the strip club call, first of all, some fan just rolled by and says, Phil, see you at the Sapphire tonight. Was one of four to 500 VIPs identified by the event that yelled this out to Tiger or to Phil

and Phil gave him the thumbs up. That was the wonderful part. He was an autopilot though. Yeah, I don't think yet. I'm not sure he caught the whole context. I made the point, I realized, Phil needs to do this with someone other than Tiger. Somebody that he can like actually push around a little needs to do this with someone other than Tiger. Somebody that he can actually push around

a little bit verbally, he just can't with Tiger. He's just, it's hard to be an alpha with Tiger. I'd love to see like, key and Bradley whale briskees. Yes. Well, so that was like, that's kind of another thing and this is another one where, again, I, Karen Krauss wrote something for the New York Times and I really like Karen's work,

like buy and large, I'm a huge fan, but it was a column that was kind of like, you know, if they really cared about growing the game, they should invite like an LPGA player. I'm like, yeah, in a vacuum, I completely agree with that sentence, but like they don't give a shit about growing the game. They're trying to win nine, like,

it's such a mischaracterization to think that this was anything other than that. Well, that's okay. And totally fine. The other thing is if they invite a couple of LPGA players and then they don't give them, you know, they give them 5% or 10% of the payout, then it's like a total shit storm.

Yeah, and that's where I get where it's a no-wind situation. I get where these guys can get jaded and tell the story about the trust. Yeah, there's there's a Vegas, there's a Vegas like local radio guy or something at the press conference who who came in really hot and very confident and that for that I commend him. That was cool. But this guy with the ponytail. I don't know. I couldn't see him. We'll see you in a morning, too. You see like a morning's view.

Like a morning sports zoo. Got a guy. You might have been a drive time sports guy. But he said, hey, Tiger and Phil, I'm so in some such and such from So-and-so radio show. And you know, I've had a lot of listeners calling in, and they're saying that this is more about the money than it is growing the game.

What would you guys say about that? Yes. I'm like, yeah, dude. Like, what the hell? Like, how unfair? Listen, I'm not gonna ride super hard for these guys and like, what I'd rather see $9 million go to charity, like for sure.

But do I expect those guys to have to do that at every turn for their entire life? No, and also it's like you know radio guy like why do you do your radio shows? That's like grow Radio Or is it a bunch of money to share? It's just it's it's just a clarified DJ are you against growing the game? It's on the record. Yeah, I was trying to find the words of what I was trying to say that was that you summed it up for me Thank you very against against growing the game? Yeah, that's on the record. Yeah, I was trying to find the words of what I was trying to say. That was it. You subbed it up for me. Thank you.

Very against fake growing the game. And that's what it is. It's almost like putting, and granted, Tiger and Phil, they, I guess they could have been colder about saying like, hey, that's not, you know, I don't want to raise your kids. Hey, we're trying to let this speak to you. This is not my job.

It's better. But I mean, that's, it's kind of shitty when people hoist the grow the game thing on the wrong people. Has anybody grown the game more than time? Yeah, exactly. Like he's done. He's done his part.

Like he grew the game. He grew it too much. He grew it too much. That's true. This should have been a shrink the game a bit. But it's, I don't know, hand. It's a hard situation. I thought the most captivating moments early,

because they didn't happen late, were the unplanned side bets, where Tiger was like, hey, the first tee had to be planned. Whoever the press conference day. Whoever gets in, I forget what it was, whoever gets in in the least amount of strokes, you know, a hundred thousand or whatever. And then Phil didn't take,

it was like, yeah, give me odds entire, you know, no. Like that, to me that was the most interesting. Even if that was staged, they did a good job. Right, yes. And if you go to like another match or even feel like somebody else, you know, have the winner make what the winner makes, but I thought that's where the intrigue is,

and how do these guys, how would they bet around a golf between them, if there were no strings attached, they could do anything. Yeah. What really sucks about this is, we're watching that playoff, right, in the dark. And if it wasn't this huge crazy made for TV spectacle There would be like books written about how Phil and Tiger were playing from a putting green to the 18th green for $9 million

So that would be so cool. So why do we feel this way? And I don't feel guilty for feeling that way at all. I know but like yeah, it should have been way cooler And that that's what it was just I don't know man like and I can't I can cooler. And that's what it was just, I don't know, man. Like I can't fault anybody that's involved in this because we would have done it the same way, but it felt like it was designed on a whiteboard or something where it was like, what if this happened and then this happened and then this happened.

And like you could just feel the whole thing was just all pushing towards this. I don't know like it just it all felt kind of like Fony right and I think it was I think it was fake Maybe that's why they didn't allow the public right I think the VIP spectators were either crisis actors probably signed NDA's surprise the fanatics weren't there. Yeah, I you you know, it just, can we talk about the 95 yard hole? Yeah, like that was, we can literally do whatever we want. It was exceedingly stupid. It was Tiger Dull.

This is the green twice in a row. Yeah, but like, yeah. Can we talk about Tiger putting, you know what? We probably, it was dumb, but it kind of polished. It was a delicious speed. It was perfect. Yes, it was what it was probably a it was dumb, but it kind of Polished like well, it's a speed it was perfect. Yes, it was what it was in that like by the end because I kind of went in Waves and I was into the golf and then at the end though It's just like oh my god. This is so dumb and that's where why would you ever do this again? Like I feel like we could keep coming back the same thing

But it's like that's where it felt stuck in between release patterns So I take the words out of your mouth there. But it's like the whole thing should have been dumb. It should have either been all like Mulligan recalls and left handed holes to make a match playing. That's the one we're borrowing the cash alongside them the whole time. Or yeah, I mean, really,

of all the side bets are for charity. All right, great. Fuck off gaming commission. You're gonna tell us we can't, that's true. We can't bet a little bit and make it for charity. Yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, it's all just, yeah, I'm with you,

because it felt like it was trying to be a serious match and then it was like, well, now we're, I don't know, now we're playing from the putting green. Now we're playing from the putting green and then we go to the fairway. No, we're gonna recut the hole. And then we'll go play. Well, just thinking back there,

was there ever a chance that match ended after 15 holes or something? Like somebody winning four and two? I don't know. Some of those pots dove low pretty quick. Right. That would be like, that would be not worth it. It was almost like, we have this shiny new toy,

this cool idea, like we better, like let's make sure we show it. That would be like, for us. How was the pace of play so slow? It's not a walkable course. That's of course it's not meant to be walked. It's some of the stuff that they, that were errors I think was stuff that,

as a very, very, very amateur audio producer, like I worried about, like how are they gonna stop the mics from like fuzzing against their shirts? And that's what we heard the entire time. Honestly, I think the thing would have been 75% better right off the bat. It would have been almost twice as good

if Peter Strayer said it wasn't true. Very true. That's the elephant in the room. Well, the problem was like, we don't need context. Like we can see everything that's going on. Guys hitting their own golf balls. Yes, we can see the graphics on the screen,

how far they are. We don't need anyone to like tell us, well, this is a difficult shot or this one. There's nothing too tricky up there. It's the fuzz. Yeah. So that was the frustrating part about the commentary, was that what was the point of miking them up

if you were gonna have the normal amount of booth commentary? I feel like we've covered that. But I don't know, I don't wanna hear, I hope people are tweeting, I want my 20 bucks back. No, that was fair. Fair sign of. Yeah, that was fair for 20 bucks.

There were a lot of people who genuinely enjoyed it, and it's like, that's great. That's cool too. And that's where it's like, you know what, this was, it was better than, like way better than nothing. I was gonna say, where does this rain in terms of enjoyable? Well, the other thing about the money,

real quick, and it kind of ties in is, there's like a weird fallacy that, I don't know if people thought that Capital One was like gonna give them the money if they didn't give it to Tiger and Phil, but it, like, who cares if these guys get this money? Like who, like, who gives a shit? This is so much better than, it's so much better

than this thing not existing. And so hopefully they'll take, you know, these little, you know, take some, some things and do a better question for you guys. What do you guys have for future iterations? Who would you want to see? God, I love that. Oh. I'm not even trolling Ricky or trolling Randy with this.

Sorry. I think Phil and Ricky would be like a legitimately good pairing that would drive a lot of interest. I think you need a bigger personality though. No, no, as a team, if you get two other... I feel like you need like four people that are going to jab at each other and... But like Phil will do that for that team Yeah, you know Ricky is good enough like Ricky can do, you know He would get enough in I think

More back and forth even if it's for that team I feel like you need two guys I think JT would be good. I think you can read that Roy be really good I Don't think Tiger's a great fit. I knew you probably need Tiger, but I don't think he's a great fit. You probably need Tiger, but I don't think he's a great fit for that. I would have paid $20 today just to hear Tiger. Thanks. Phil, let's go. That's good. Yeah, we didn't even talk about Phil's gimmies. Oh, here's my question. Let me add throughout a question. Then, would you watch this format

with anybody but the best players in the world like top well 30 golfers in the world? Like I would. Yes, but what other people like I was thinking about what Perez there would have watched. Well, that's part of it is do you want to watch a four hour match? I'd watch it. I kind of think it's six hole or a nine hole match where the winner of the previous hole gets to pick the next hole stuff like that You know what would be sick? Honestly, here's this is my answer is a nine hole Shootout where you have nine guys who start and it's like last man standing like a royal rumble. Yeah, that would be sick I'm in on that I so where does this guy? Where does this rank for you guys in terms of enjoyable things you watched in golf this year?

Like we did we we got together for the majors this year only pretty much and watched golf, like all of us together. I think it was more enjoyable than the final round of the players. Well, and so it's interesting because, and it's really hard and we probably should have said this earlier because it's important, but like the golf sucked by any one by any measure that golf was not good so that's nobody's fault and that's you know producers if they would have lucked into really really really good golf we probably would have had a different conversation so that's a hard hand that

they were kind of dealt very fair by choosing Tiger and Phil who are coming and not I know that's why when I said the players was bad this year, there wasn't through any of them. Yeah, just a run away. Yeah. So it's hard. And it's hard to not just pick the tournaments that were the most exciting competitively.

But I mean, it was when you think about the majors, when you think about, I don't know, I'm just throwing out what's coming to my mind. But the WGC Mexico was awesome Phil JT helped make it really interesting High five tournament city. Yeah, but like what else is on that list? It ranks like just below the majors in terms of what I would sit and watch sit and watch for a long period of time I'm not sitting and watching Four hours of the but the thing is are you gonna sit and watch that again

and again and again and again? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it was more... I'll give them a chance to improve on a few things. Yeah, I don't know. I think my bar would be pretty high next time. Yeah.

I think the elephant in the room is... Excuse me. Besides Jake. I think the elephant in the room... The elephant in the room has been spoken for. Well, you guys are talking. I'm thinking like, who would I like love to put down money to watch in this format? And there just really isn't anybody.

And I think that's you want to talk about an issue with golf. That's an issue because everybody's marketed as vanilla. And yeah, there's, there's not a lot of real personality. Well, and it's hard and the people you would put forward, you know, like financially it wouldn't make sense for someone to put on this big production. The banter, for them advertising the banter, that was a huge let down.

Like they didn't even try. Like they didn't even give it, and it needed each other at all. What was the best jab somebody through exactly? Yeah. And Tiger said, oh, it fills it in a wedge. wedge. He's got to take a little off of it. That was a perfect example. He did jab at himself.

No, I know. That was a perfect example to say, yeah, just like that wedge you hit at Marian in 2015. Yeah, exactly. But that's where it's so hard because it's like, man, you can't expect, like these guys are the best in the world at one thing that they do. You can't expect them to be like TV personalities. No, I get it. But then don't, you're setting up a film.

Yeah, you're setting up a film. Yeah, and they'll lead up, they talked a lot about how they're gonna need to each other and jab each other. So who would you make these productions for? Would you, well, that's true. Well, that's true.

You were in charge of the universe. Would you make these high profile one-on-one matches for $20 for trying to get a big audience or would you be willing to pay $69.99 for like two guys. Curious number, right? That's first of all nice. $69.69 I would pay. But like maybe like too many tour players who legitimately will talk like all the shit

to each other. Or you know what? You know like a Spence Levine versus somebody. DJ said it today. I would have- I would have then Taylorade for Elk to be the- Well, yeah, the Elk. But where I'm going is like, Taylorade to like, hey, we are going after

the diehard of the diehard golf fans. I think that, I think it just has to be, like I don't think there's enough diehard of the diehard to carry it, like no matter matter what no matter what you charge You know and I think like you have to I think you have to cater to the larger Audience like the casual fan and if you're gonna do that like dude you have to have people like us You're never gonna be happy which is oh we are never gonna be happy I guess that's my point is like it's all feels so futile because

But that we're too close to it. Oh, the PGA Tour has definitely taken that approach already and that we've got your hardcore fan. Let's continue to try to reach all the casual fans because the hardcore fans not going to leave us. That's the that's the message that's the approach. They're basically daring you to leave us. Yes, correct. I mean, the PGA Tour account tonight, they've since deleted it after Doug Ferguson, put him

on a body bag, said epic period, a line epic period. And then Ferguson said, yeah, what are you guys going to say about the president's cousin? This was epic. I mean, I just brutal lack of awareness. I think to your point, Randy, it just, it has to be, and maybe this is, I don't know, maybe this is unfair or whatever, but if there's no, if there's no like chippiness to it and there's no drama to it, then yeah, like I'm not gonna care who wins.

The reason I care about McGregor versus Mayweather, if you do is because. Those guys sell the fights. Yeah, and so I'm sure gonna care who wins. The reason I care about McGregor versus Mayweather, if you do is because. Those guys sell the fights. Yeah, and so I'm sure boxing purists got on their podcasts after that, and we're like, this is fucking stupid. Like, yeah, of course he won. Why are we doing this?

I think what I would tune into watch would be, if during this match, Bacon was talking to these guys and drawing stuff out of them, said, you know, asking them questions, and it's almost like a living podcast, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like,

that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like,

that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was like,

that's how I was like, that's how I was like, that's how I was But to my point, I don't think that they satisfied those people tonight anyways. I think maybe if you want to grow the game, I've got to take Tiger on their law. He's a huge golfer. His family was riveted. His kids loved it. So I'm saying it might have hit the mark with the casualty. But let's say you want to grow the game. What's going to grow the game more than Tiger talking about coming up to instead of Peter

Jacobson filling time with dribble. Have Tiger talking about his first time he play with Phil in a pro event. Well, what I'm saying is then once you do that once, it's gone. If you bring Tiger back against, what I'm saying is you're always going to be hunting. I just think there's just not enough fish in that sea to keep fish in there. It over multiple broadcasts. And that's another I think that so that's another issue but it but hey let's focus on making this one as good as it can be and cross that bridge when we get it. Well, I again I back before this match started I said the most important thing about this is going to be how this affects normal week to week golf.

Right because these are going to be anomalies are going to be rare.. It's not gonna be like, this isn't gonna take over golf. And if that, if today wasn't abundantly clear that we need players mic'd up in some capacity, I don't know what, that was the one positive, one really strong positive we had. I don't know what else there's gonna be. Like that was the example. And again, going from that to not having it

is gonna suck. Like that was the best look inside the ropes that's ever been probably shown on TV. We haven't talked about side sauce yet. Well, I took a few hundred to your point. Yeah, I think that's where what will be picked up though in future years on golf telecasts will be all the gambling stuff,

especially with being legalized. The probabilities on that. Yeah, and then the side sauce thing, that was a perfect example of something like the life cycle of something. Yeah. Being 20 within 20 minutes, they absolutely wrote it. And why do they why are they bringing in these like, be list athletes? Like, nothing against, I say that as like, you know, who the fuck am I? But like, you know, CJ Crone, let's show his tweet

It's like how about the Justin Rose tweet they showed like showing the match show me somebody funny on to like show me you know shout out Max home. Yeah, you know who are some of our like show me Lou Browners, you know like show me actually something funny Yeah, I think our version of funny in their version of funny is very, very different. The perfect analogy for a corporate version of funny. I think that's what I think it is. And this was supposed to be different. And it wasn't. Exactly.

And this is where I think it's been a professional golf and professional golf on TV has been like so on. It maybe this again, maybe this isn't the case, but the way it seems here is These guys have been so on autopilot for so long So true a lot because of the two guys we just watch like all That like I don't know that they're that good at knowing what people want. I don't think they know what the product is That's what I mean, and that's where it's like when you when you're like no, no, no, we're gonna innovate. It's like, yeah, sweet. Like what?

Yeah. Well, actually, you know what? First of all, I'm under tweeted. Let's make a vote. You know what I mean? Three minutes of Charles Barkley, like, yeah, we're gonna, no, we are gonna do a, that's for 100k.

Well, they should got Charles acid. Yeah, Charles would have done it. Yeah, like, put the hell we talking about. And messed up the bat. And it's like, Charles was about to go play the first toll for a hundred thousand. We talked about that as an undercard. Yeah, legitimately I would have,

the fact that there wasn't an undercard. I would have watched Charles Barkley at Tamiya Al Jackson playing undercard. Like just cut to them every 30 minutes. Oh, it's big. Oh, here's three shots today. Yeah, that's got a fun. What I want to know is, I don't think that we're not going to sit here and claim to be experts,

but what I think we are good at within this room is having an understanding of what people are into. Like, we listen to a lot of feedback, we monitor bullshit detectors. Right, we do a monitor, what people are saying out there. How do, how is that not happen at all in this world? So here's what I will say. This world. I was thinking about this and it reminds me a lot of,

I say this frequently I think, but it reminds me a lot of the Pebble Beach tournament where when you watch it on TV, you're like, dude, this is brutal and I don't care what Gary Mule dear has to say and I don't care about Kenny G's handicap at like whatever golf club people, like I fucking don't care man

But when you're there People super care and they're like you know what this is the best thing We saw it as a mononet ever existed and like both things can be true like that's totally fine I'm sure that the people who were there and I'm sure that the people who put the event together and fills team and fills family and tigers Agents and tigers people like I'm sure they thought it was super fun and Phil's team and Phil's family and Tigers agents and Tigers people, like I'm sure they thought it was super fun and that's totally valid. But as like a hardcore golf fan,

I was like, dude, this is brutal. But I think it's important. So to answer your question, you're just like too close to it. I think you can do one more distinction there. Important distinction there. Yeah, for sure. I don't think we approach this hardcore golf fan today. I don't think don't think we wanted to be. Exactly. If you go back and watch the

live show, it is pretty much 15 20 minutes of just glowing about like how excited I'm going to watch. Yes. I'm going to watch the World Cup of golf tonight to get my golf fix. Yeah. Boy, we wanted this to succeed. And we I was excited for it. And I still was maintain that I was entertained. I think it was disappointing, definitely, but this is not coming from like stuck up hardcore golf fan that just can't adapt to the new style. It was just a let down, I think, even at the lowest entertainer. I'll tell you what needs to happen. I think the European tour needs to say, all right, give us a crack at this.

Because I think they'd have a much better shot at pulling it off. Get, get Rory and... Rory's not on the European tour member. I know, that's another thing. I've never seen that. Yeah, I don't know who you'd get. Get Julian Surrey. Get, get, get, get on that. Well, on that note, his pay attention to no-langus while World of Golf is coming up very soon. Well, the mic, the mic's up. So here's, well, yeah, and that's where it's like, no part of me, I promise. No part of me is like, yeah, watch how we do it. Yeah.

However, if you are a hardcore golf fan and you want to see like nothing but basically like stupid jokes and players mic'd up and whatever, we are releasing a thing called Wild World Golf. It's nine holes, Curtis Luck and Hank Lebiota Tron and Sali playing Wolfhammer Randy's on the ones and twos as our as our encore supporter yours truly will be up in the booth keeping the talking to a minimum and

I don't know like I think it's not a one-time thing. It's gonna be no No, no, we're gonna be in franchise with different players different, yeah. If anybody is listening, who wants to be on, you know how to find us. But I think when you do watch something like that, again, I'm absolutely not saying like that this is the recipe or anything like that, but I think you can see what it looks like when people don't take it so seriously,

and when you get outside of like the reverential kind of tone that you have to have around these things, it will free you up to do a lot more, I think. I don't know. That's where, dude, you know what changed my whole outside on this was, Soli turned me on to a, God, I don't remember what it's called. There was a Netflix thing that was basically

really quick explainer. Oh, it's called Explained. Explained, it's a Netflix series. And there was a cricket one. And it was basically talking really quick explainer. Oh, it's called explained. Explain, is a Netflix series. And there was a cricket one. And it was basically talking, it was talking. The concept of the show was like a 15 minute explainer video. Like here's what this thing is,

and here is something about it that's interesting. And I know absolutely nothing about cricket. So this was perfect. So I'm watching it, and they're explaining all these problems that cricket went through in the 1920s to 1950s, and it's basically every problem like golf has now. It's like, you know, all the people were just like, two, like, old and white and stodgy

and it was like too hard to play. It's like five days long. And it took too long and it's like for tea. Yeah, yeah, you had to have tea breaks. And then basically, like, something, I forget what had happened. They created like a, it's called T20, I think. Yeah, so it's a three hour game. There's so much more about cricket and earth. But it's like a it's called T20 I think. Yeah, so it's a three hour game.

Yeah, so much more about cricket and earth. But it's like a three hour match and it like revolutionized cricket and it made it go on this huge boom in India and Pakistan in places. But it just took the things that people absolutely loved about it and like pumped them full of HGH, you know what I mean? And so I think going back to our earlier conversation, you bring some guys, if people I'm in a herd of, and if you do things a little differently,

it's like, well, nobody would pay to watch us. Well, yeah, maybe at first, but if you do it well, you're right, you've got to put a long game. Yeah, invest in yourself. To counter, like they didn't do it well, in my humble opinion, it was like, if today would have been just like loud and whatever and

something totally different and I was like I'm too old and I don't like this I would totally happily say that. I got a couple like random observations. Tiger, what the way Tiger puts his hands on his knees? How many misses a putt? It's so weird how it puts his knees together. Is that weird do you guys? Not really? Listen I'll go with you. Yeah sure. I hadn't thought I hadn't given a ton of thought till he pointed it out. What else you guys? Not really? Listen, I'll go with you. Yeah, sure. I hadn't thought... I hadn't given a ton of thought until you pointed it out. What else you got? And then just the bunker that filled it into...

That was... ...18. Yeah, like why? You know, it's on the other side of a creek. Well, we had been talking about like, why does that bunker exist? And then Phil hid it in there the next time we're out, so that was kind of... Maybe the Fog's just playing chess. But yeah, that was that was a little bit a little bit of maximalist call for

architecture. I don't know what's your closing thought. Optimistic. I'm glad I'm glad it existed. I'm glad we could spend our Friday afternoon watching it together. I thought they got a lot of it. It just it didn't advance the golf telecast anywhere. Let me ask you this. Are you optimistic about this or pessimistic about this? Overall pessimistic, I think. No, they'll squeeze a few more things out. I'll watch them. I'll continue to watch them.

And there's enough that they can improve on. I actually don't think it's that far off. I know Rainy's really thinks it's very far off, but I think a ton of difference can be made. And not, I get that you have to promote it like it's a boxing match, but not putting so much pressure on the players to have banter back and forth, but just letting them be and letting us walk the fairways with them. And I think that's the best thing that you can do is give us that kind of access and

they cheated us out of that. I think that I think making it a team thing. Yes. Yes. I also feel like though that should have been so obvious. And if they didn't do it for this one, who's to say they'll ever do it? Yeah.

So I get it. Right, no, I can do some things that theoretically aren't hard and it would improve it immensely. And I guess what I'm saying is I have no confidence in them to actually do it. You know where I think would be a great place to go do one of these would be Trinity Forest. Yeah.

And basically have, you know, have two on two and have whoever won that hole gets to pick the next T box and basically gets to set the next hole. Like there's enough strategy and variables where you can set the next hole up to be. But that's where it's hard and that's where it comes back to Randy's point. I think where it's like, if you want to get the mega hardcore golf in 100% like I'm so with you and maybe that's that's where it's like you know This isn't like a media you know studies class, but it's like maybe that's where a smaller You know, maybe it's lucky lucky golf

Well, because that's why I'm like because like I'm taking notes over here a big budget thing is never gonna do that But part of that too is hey, hey, let's walk before we run. Kinda, let's prove this concept. And I guess it's tough to prove with lesser names and stuff. And that's where it's like, I don't know what you kind of proved today. Right. Yeah. I've got to feel like we're all, yeah, we're all kind of.

We're all kind of, I mean, I bet, I bet make a sense on his plane flying back to SoCal right now, like, yeah, I don't think we're shit. Yeah, I mean, I've won $9 million, but like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I'm $1,9 million, but like, so that's why I was saying this on the couch, but like, my overall review of someone was like, what was, you know, what was your takeaway? I'd be like, I don't know, like, whatever.

Like, I don't care. Like, I'm not happy for, like, I don't care that they won that much money. Like, that doesn't make me feel good. There was no nervousness for me. I'm not angry that they won that much money. I'm not like, pissed that it was really bad. I'm happy that it was no nervous. It was good. I'm not angry. I'm not angry that they want that much money. I'm not like pissed that it was really bad.

I'm not happy that it was really good. Yeah, I just feel like whatever. If those two were battling in a major just now, I'd been like crying. Yeah. If that was going to, well, one if they were hitting off a putting green on the agent, well, I would have been crying in a different way. But it just doesn't have the same, I didn't care who won, and that is a huge issue with it, I think.

I should be rooting for somebody. Or maybe not. If they would have done it differently with the betting, where if they made the betting the thing and not pumped like the $9 million jackpot, then it's like, well, I don't really care who wins, but I think it's interesting as hell watching these guys wager throughout around.

DJ, you had a great point earlier, you're like, hey, if someone is off of the rock, how have I played the part three course? Well, yeah, that's right. You ever get a hole in one makes $60 million. Yeah, that's where it's like, that's where I'm kind of saying the same thing. I mean, it's like whatever, you know,

like make it more serious or make it more goofy, but you're like stuck in the middle right now. I agree. He's in every trying to more goofy. I vote more goofy. Yeah, I'd be totally down it more goofy, but you're like stuck in the middle right now. I agree He's in every trying more goofy. I vote more. Yeah, I'd be totally down for more Goop is the thing at the end of the day. I mean the skins game Bringing back the skins game and doing it properly would maybe be The right ticket I just and I'll cough to this too is like I don't know how you do it properly Like I don't know really what the answer is. Because to your, like, you're spot on, Randy.

It's like, I know how to do it. If you want to track like serious golf fans, like I think we could, we could be pretty good consultants on that, but I don't think that's good for the bottom line. And if you want to attract a huge swath of like casual golf fans, like, I don't know how to do it. Unless you fake a beef that's like, guy hates this guy that this guy's good This guy's bad and he said a bunch of bad things about dogs and this guy loves dogs

Everyone tune in like to see if the good guy wins or the bad guy wins But you know what what else do you do to what else do you do to like get a shitload of casual fans? You know what a big for a five hour golf round that you don't do anything. There's no market If you don't if we all knew like the 12th hole was gonna be the hole They play opposite handed and like did Phil go play that practice on that hole with opposite handed and like one little wrinkle like that Would have been what happened on the What happened exactly like throw something like something like that in there? How much more fun does that make it but then it's But then you get the other side where you get all the media

who's supposed to like publicize it, then they're gonna be, this is an absolute joke. These guys are playing for this as much money and it's turned into a circus. It is a circus. Yeah, it is a circus. It is a circus. Yeah, I mean, I'd watch a skins game with,

like, cause the Boundfall of Skins game was just stopped attracting the person's car. Yeah, the money on tour just grew so much that they couldn't keep it up. But like, you know, I'd watch Reed, Polter, Spieth and JT playing a skins game together. Yeah. Yeah. You know, or Tiger, Stephen Ames. They didn't have to be the nine million added nothing to the viewers.

But no, it didn't add anything to the viewership. But it got Tiger and Phil there. So it's like I don't I don't. I don't. I don't. Anybody. Yeah, I don't fault anybody for making it nine million. I don't fault them for expecting nine million. Like it literally is what it is. They are who we thought they were. Man. I think my last thing thought is if you want to crown them. So I go ahead and crown it as wide as why does tiger tee up his lob wedge? So that was that was weird. Yeah, like I'm going to reset that whole putting green. I'm going to do my own tiger wedge play. My wedge plays not great. All right. On that note, I think we're good covering the match. Yeah. Happy Friday night. I guess from the killhouse, we're going to watch a clone.

Let's have been definitely hit the over here shortly. And and yeah, hopefully we didn't tread it too badly in the cooler. No. That's fair, we were fair. I feel very good about everything we said. So, cheers. Crack on.

Cheers. Cheers, boys. Psh. Psh. Give it a nice blow. Be the right club today. Yes. Be the right.

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