No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 190: Farmers Insurance Open Recap (& Bryson wins in Dubai)

Episode Date: January 28, 2019

Justin Rose has won the 2019 Farmers Insurance Open, and we recap the world number one adding another trophy to the case. The gang also discusses Bryson’s win in Dubai, the European Tour heading to... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 190: Farmers Insurance Open Recap (& Bryson wins in Dubai) appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast. We are just buzzing from a wild, wild, Sunday afternoon here at the Kale House watching the farmers' insurance open. Justin Rose is the champion.

Not gonna lie, we were rooting pretty hard against that. It's pretty hard, pretty hard against that down the stretch. Yeah, it's, I don't know. I don't know about rooting against it as much as just rooting for some excitement. Exactly. Yeah, it is. That's more what I meant. Nothing against Justin Roseless and no offense to anyone. As you know, what you, you want to drop some offense?

No, no, no, I thought you had a great take on Justin Rose earlier today. What's that? When you compared him to a King of the Hill? Oh, I specifically said King of the Hill. It seems like if King of the Hill was going to create a character that was like, you know, like Hank was really excited to meet the the note, the quote number one golfer in the world. I think he'd look and act a lot like Justin Rose, which is a way for non-Golf fans to make fun of golf without saying anything offensive about golf.

I think Solid's was actually better. Well, it's just without the new equipment company and getting rid of the Adidas clothes, he now just looks like a beginning phase player in Tiger Woods Golf. Like, when you start the career mode and you just graduate out of the EA sports gear and like, you have some logos on your sleeve and like your collar, but it looks mega cheesy. And you don't get to wear all the cool clothes yet, but you think you're kind of starting to look cool.

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your sponsor is, yeah, I don't know. Just words. Well, on the heels of the Not Free Ad, I want you to tell me about your fairway woods that we got our epic flash, fairway woods. Our drivers have not come yet, and we are frantically checking UPS, and they have not arrived yet.

We're leaving town tomorrow. No free ask for you to be in the drivers. Yeah, that's not a free act, because they haven't delivered the clubs yet. But tell me about your experience so far with the flash face in the fairway woods. I mean, it's been thermonuclear. I went to the driving range,

which I almost never do, which is probably very evident if you ever watch my tendencies in my game. I texted Chad as soon as our clubs came, I'm actually so excited that I'm gonna go to the driving range. And the thought of hitting a fairway wood, exactly kind of where I mean to hit it,

is- I've never seen you do that. No, it's something that has literally never been done before, so I'm incredibly excited about it. you and I were talking earlier I've never seen I don't know how to put it I've never seen the ball leaving the ballpark off of a fairway would so quickly it gets out of out of town in a hurry I literally hit for the first time at Tim Aquana this weekend and hit it off the 90 and I and I as soon as I hit it the rest of the group was like holy shit.

My reaction was a little like jaw job. I don't ever hit three wood straight and apparently this is the flash face plus jailbreak in fairway woods for the first time ever. I got so excited after that that I started hit on the next hole and I videoted to send Chad and I just like dead chunked it so it wasn't the club's fault. Well look no further than Big Randy who has like three wood, five wood, hybrid, you know, he's got all these in the bag. I do. I love it. How many clubs are you carrying? Like 19 at the moment. I got to do some testing. Whittle it down. And that we'll get into the rules controversy with Hal Tonguele a bit later. But honestly,

I can't think of much and this is not the we'll take some shots at Rose. This is not one. I just can't think of a more boring way to wrap the tournament, like a slug down Tori, Tori pine South, then watching World No. 1 Rose kind of run away. We just wanted it to be close. Adam Scott kind of tried there at the end, but there was a very, very little chatter on Twitter. There was very little excitement going on that event. Yeah, extreme backhanded compliment to Justin Rose, but like there was never Never any doubt Like you never thought you're kind of maybe too good rooting for mr slip up and there's just yeah, it wasn't gonna happen

He's too good. Well, it's hard to like looking at back at the desk I was way more excited for the farmers than I was the desert classic But watching Adam Long change his life last week was legitimately awesome. I was rooting for him over Phil who has won a million events and what more, what is one more win to Phil? Doesn't mean that much. What is one more win to Justin Rose?

Doesn't really mean that much. Adam Scott would have been a better story, I think, but again, he's won plenty as well. So this doesn't come from any underlying hate for Justin Roseenewais. It's just like, it was not that fun to watch. Look, congrats. He's obviously incredible.

You have some stats on him. I don't know if you have any. Well, just see. Yeah, he's missed one cut since the 2017 PGA, which is kind of not all I remember about the 2017 PGA. Randy was falling asleep in the hotel room, kind of on Sunday afternoon. That was another boring golf course to watch, but.

It was good to get out of the heat. Just thinking about, I only say that because that's how I marked that on the timeline of my life. And thinking about Justin Rose missing one cut since then, that's been a lot of weeks. For that, for that to, August of 2017. It's almost like as far back as the official World Golf Ranking's go. Yeah. Which is absurd. Six top threes in 10 starts. Is that good? Teed it up 10 times. Six top threes.

But the only other guy, maybe you can make a case. It's on his level right now. It's the big scientist. It's Bryce and that. We were kind of talking about it. It's Bryce and we had a question about it from a podcast listener. He said, is Bryce and have world number one in his sights? And it's like, this morning, I was like, yes, he does. And then we watch Rose today.

And I'm like, I mean, he just, he is already one, and then just one. I'm not gonna pretend to know all the inner workings of how the world golf rankings work, but I think that helps when you win, and you're already world number one. So I can see Bryson getting a number two quite easily this year.

I mean, I don't think Rose is lead is insurmountable in any way, but man, he does not seem to be this year. I mean, I don't think Rose is lead is insurmountable in any way, but man, he does not seem to be letting up. I mean, this is what his second tournament with the new equipment. And he's won on like a very challenging golf course, very demanding golf course. And I mean, I know scores are low. Scores are going to be low when it's pretty decently soft.

And it's a part 72, which is going to happen. Even last week, I mean, I know this is kind of easy to say, you know, hindsight, 2020 sort of stuff, but even going back and reading some of his quotes from last week and looking at what he did last week, you know, it's like, we probably should have seen this coming, you know, and like, probably should have thrown a lot of money on Justin Res this week

because everything he was saying was just like, yeah, you know, I'm hitting it literally as good as I always do. It's just, you know, the Desert Classic is kind of like a wedge and putting festival and, you know, whatever I just didn't, could make any puts. Didn't make as many putts as typical and, and blah, blah, blah. And then he comes to Tory Pines. He's finished like eighth year and fourth year. I think the last two years. And it's just maybe like the perfect golf course for him. And they are who we thought they were, basically. He passed Nick Fowdo for the most PGA tour wins by an Englishman. I think Fowdo was in 1945.

Excited about that. There's no bigger Rose fan on the planet than Nick Fowdo. That's sure. Which also, I honestly think Fowdo thinks that the putting the pin in has turned Adam Scott into a world class putter. He's like, well, now he seems to be resolved. Now that he puts with the pin in, I'm like, are we gonna act like this?

Is gonna make that big of a difference. I know we wanna give price and all the credit in the world for the research and everything done putting with the pin in. It is weird to look at, but it's amazing to watch how much these guys flipped out about talking about the pin being in. When really we're talking about a difference of what,

maybe 1% ever of puts the difference in. I don't know if I've ever seen I've seen one yet that I'm like, Oh, that wouldn't have gone in with the pin in, but it is so weird to see that final group where like Ron putts with the pin out. Ron's caddies got to go back and put the pin back in for Adam Scott who puts with it in. That's kind of this development of this pin thing that I don't think the USGA guests saw coming. And I still wonder if this rule is gonna stick.

If they're gonna, I don't know how long, once a rule goes into play, how long does it have to stay in play? I don't know, it's, I doubt they foresaw it playing out this way and I don't think they're really happy about. I know, no inside intel on that at all, but I can't imagine that they're like, oh yeah, this is exactly what we wanted out of this thing. Are they saying that, you know, this putting resurgence is, are they just basing this on

one week? I don't know. I think it's like, oh, he's, he's, he's, he's second place and he hasn't played since the HSBC in China. Yeah. Is that right? I guess. So yeah, it would be just based on this.

It seems like I've seen him a little bit more, but maybe it really is just this past week, which I saw some people on Twitter acting like, oh, if he could have putted this week, he would have won. No, no, he finished like 14th or something in Strokes Game Pudding. Yeah, he did. 14th Strokes Game Pudding. Yeah, no, he potted this week. He potted great.

He missed it. A two foot potted again, which comes back to the whole thing that the real keeper of the takes is whoever's in the TV booth. Because they, unless you're really digging in and going whole by whole stats and looking at everything, you're basically basing everything that you think about the game of golf on what the TV producer decides to show you versus not show you, which is pretty interesting. So when he shows you Adam Scott missing a two footer, you think, oh my god, Adam Scott's

the worst putter ever. If he were to just have Adam Scott bogies the 14th hole or whatever, you'd, if he would have just had the Adam Scott Bogie's the 14th hole or whatever you'd be like, oh, which is why I like actually doing your, it's weird as to say, doing your own research actually matters because they're so bad at presenting the story that you can be easily led astray. And I mean, even Tiger made it, they made it seem like Tiger couldn't make a putt and couldn't make it putts. He was positive strokes can putting on day. And they just kind of ignored that. So on On the on the note of tiger. I think it was a very incredibly just normal performance Yeah, you know totally like we've come to expect that I think you finished 23rd here last year and what was he like 19th or something this year

T20 T20. Thank you. Uh, Stap boy and I mean the 67 on Sunday 67 on Sunday was fantastic. And he really had a mega strokes game approach on the day, on the opposite side of the golf course of the leaders, but it's nice to just have these as the expected performance. No one freaked out either way that he was playing poorly or playing really well. And you know, it, it, it a rough fall, I would say,

with the rider cup and the hero wasder Cup and the hero was not good and the match was not good, so it's good to see him kind of not in mid season for me yet, but a nice solid start to the season. Yeah, I'm a whole lot more. I agree. Not much more to add, you know. I can curve.

Yeah, I totally can curve. It's no glaring weaknesses, no, nothing fantastic, so yeah. It kind of blah. It was really encouraging last year when you started off that way. And I think it's equally as encouraging. We had no idea what to expect last year.

And now our expectations have changed some, but it's good to see at least, you know, the same kind of presence. And I don't know, if people have big expectations for him this year, that's justified basically. And I think he justified that that should be the case. Yeah, I think what's kind of crazy is You know kind of tying up both of these loose ends, I guess is what Rose has done over the last

six to eight to ten months I mean tiger did that for kind of like ten years. Yeah, which is kind of just again I got I know nobody's making the case, you know that Justin Rose is better than Tiger Woods I know nobody's doing that but it's just, that Justin Rose is better than Tiger Woods. I know nobody's doing that, but it's just always fun to talk about how good Tiger Woods was. Which, somebody wrote in the question, I don't have the handle handy unfortunately,

but it was, is Rose the best player in the post peak Tiger era? And I would actually, I thought about that. I was like, actually, the best player in the post peak Tiger era was probably Tiger. Even after his peak, he was probably still the best, like the second best player of all that. That's pretty meta-tay.

One does post-peak Tiger start. I mean, probably post 2008, I think. But even at that case, I mean, are we going to ignore Rory winning four major championships? And I mean, Jordan Speeds won three. And I mean, no, Rose is not the best player since that's his peak tag. I'd even put Dustin. Yeah, head of a head of a head of a.

He's won more tournaments. I think worldwide even. And he even put Jason, like Jason Day was kind of on had a heater like this for as long, I would say, as Justin Riz, right? I mean, clearly Rose is an unbelievable, like annoyingly consistent player. I will say, as Justin Rowe's, right? I mean, clearly, Rowe's is an unbelievable, annoyingly consistent player. I will say I saw another question. I also don't have the handle in front of me, but someone asks, is Justin Rowe's the most underrated player of the last 20 years, which I think

you could make a pretty strong case? No? I don't know. Is he underrated? I don't think so. Who underrated him? I think just underrated, like his Q score, Q rating or whatever is underrated. I don't think people, I think we talked about that all the time.

Like the equipment thing was again, like another, I know we talked about this a couple of weeks ago in the podcast, but if his name was Rory McAroy and he went and he said, guys, I'm actually gonna drop my huge contract and I'm gonna go with Hanma. This is true. Everybody would have freaked out and that's because people care about Rory and like no offense, no offense to anyone.

They don't really care about Justin Rose. Right. And he's so fucking good. Like he should be, I think that's like the definition of underrated. No, I think you're conflating like rating somebody with just like caring about somebody. Yeah, I don't think anyone out there. I don't see anybody beating up though. I think people don't really care about him,

but it's like, yeah, he's good, but. Nobody's like, you should care about Justin. A couple people are. Yeah, I'm glad. There's some shrill voices on Twitter that ride really hard for Justin. Well, like who's denying that he's very, very good at golfing, or that he doesn't get the proper attention?

All right, maybe it's a semantics thing. Yeah, it might just be a small vocal. I think of like an underrated movie or underrated band is just one that people don't really know that much about. Or that doesn't really break through to the mainstream. Yeah, I mean, I know how you guys look at it. I know.

It's interesting. I see what you're saying. I think it's more like he's broken through. People just like don't. People just don't care. Really care that much. To your point, like, all right, nobody freaked out when he changed broken through. People just don't care. Really care that means? To your point, all right, nobody freaked out when he changed equipment

companies. Like if Capka changed, I don't even think I know what Capka uses for equipment. Like would people- No equipment deal, right? Right. He uses a bit of a grabback. But is that- I don't know what they are. Exactly. So that's not really news there either.

And he's won way more majors than Rose has. So listen, listen, that's a good point. Just whack them all over here. Just throw it out takes and we're bashing them down. Listen, I'm just challenging takes. I'm turning out takes. CBS, I don't think there's a whole lot to really cover here. It felt like kind of the exact same thing as last year.

No major changes, you know, nothing to get excited about. Same kind of things to be upset and disappointed and bored with. I felt like golf on CBS instead of golf, comma on CBS, you know? Yep, like the CBS show. Yeah, at one point they talked about, you know, how they're out there for Torrey Pines and Riviera and just didn't mention next week's event,

which they did at the end. They gave a nice shout out to Johnny and the Phoenix Open, which by the way, from all of us here at CBS, congratulate you on your fantastic career. Oh, is by the way, Johnny's last broadcast Saturday. I know. What's the deal with him going out Saturday?

He just didn't want to go up against the Super Bowl. No, I think it was, I thought the end of the tournament. I think it was more like he doesn't want him overshadowing the end of a tournament. That makes sense, I think. And plus the Super Bowl is probably a little bit, you know, just more from the NBC side, but yeah, I think it's more that you don't want it to be, you know, this great trauma coming up the stretch. And then Johnny, what do you remember? What's the thing you're going to remember the most? Which anyone out there that's celebrating Johnny Miller's

retirement and somewhat enjoyed what we just witnessed today, like just get out. Just get out. Like I don't want to hear and I don't want to hear anybody celebrating this retirement. That job is really hard to deal. We've covered this a lot. But so for all of us here at Noah, waiting up a big congratulations for Johnny Miller on his retirement. I'm sure we'll cover that.

What's your favorite Johnny is? What do you mean? I mean, Fallon is the most repeatable in the most like the one he's known for the most. And I know he, I mean, the Oakmont thing is just so beaten up over the head. It's gonna jump to shark. Yeah, the trap draws the squeeze cut, you know, just the

chunk in run. Yeah, just the very descriptive shot descriptions. I love just to, I don't even know if he actually does it or not, but getting out there on like Saturday, Sunday mornings and actually going out and rolling putts to different whole locations. I always love hearing about it. I was out there at, I was out there at 7 a.m. this morning. This one goes right, which is, if he does, weigh in.

I'm sure that would be a really weird thing to lie about. What about a really difficult shot? He's like, he's going to get it inside 10 feet. Maybe once that, and then he pulls a number out of it. Seven out of 21 times, he'll get this inside at eight feet. One of my favorites is always, you know, I mean, it's not that hard of a shot. Just open up the face of a nine out here.

I used to do this all the time. Whatever you would do that in, I used to do this all the time. What'd you guys think of, Speed and Read hugging it out Saturday morning as they were paired together for the weekend? It was disgusting. Yeah, I thought it was really gross. It was disappointing.

I, well, did you expect them to just beef with each other for eternity? No, but gosh, it's just so. It just feels like every time you, you so like golf for them to, that is very, very golf. That's really well said. Every time we walk up to the line

of being interesting, just an arm you have of agents and PR people just hold the line. It's like which? It not to defend, I agree, but if I'm Jordan's beef and I'm like, all right, I can make this whole thing. Oh, no, of course it made sense. I know, no, no, it's just, was disgusting.

I know. You don't think it made sense? Would Tiger, 20 years ago, I've no, no, it's just was disgusting. I know. You don't think it made sense? Would Tiger, 20 years ago, have hugged somebody, and talk shit about him? No, but he might now. And that's the difference. He might now. Well, I think, in part of it's my disappointment and speed.

I keep wanting to be somebody who he's not, and that's my fault, obviously. But yeah, I was just, you know, what would have been the harm in just like not exchanging any words all day? I mean, I think that sets the tone for how your relationship would be forever going forward. Who knows what happened behind the scenes? Maybe they talked, I doubt they did, but maybe they did. They could reconcile, you know, 15 years from now. Well, and Reed's comments weren't so,

I mean, they were a bit direct at Jordan, but it was kind of like, well, he didn't want to play with me. It wasn't like, it'd be different if he was like, Jordan cost us because this, this, this, and this. And he was just kind of like, kind of chatty and weird about it, but it was not like a direct shot at Jordan. I could be wrong in interpreting it that way. No, I think, no, I think that's probably right. So, I don't think Fierrix hugging him.

No, probably not. I wouldn't imagine, yeah, there was more of a shot at Fierrix, him. No, probably not. I would imagine. Yeah, there was more of a shot at Fieryx, I guess, in the leadership than it was necessarily. Like, Jordan, when I went four and one or three and two, whatever he was. So how about Pashgreet looking low-key Svelte? Yeah, I'm not ready for that. No, it's a little disconcerning. I don't know what it is. Was it like a full year in the Nike clothes? It was kind of like, all right, no, I gotta thin down if I wanna wear these. I kind of got the feeling that maybe he'd lost

a bunch of weight just so that he could shit on some Augusta national member for having a coat that was too big for a cheer. So something like, what's gonna happen when he puts the coat on himself this year? He's playing chess and it doesn't fit. Real quick about the hug. Who initiated the hug?

Do you guys know? It was, look like Jordan. It was kind of like, I didn't see the handshake. All I saw was a sprue of her footage. That's what I'm disappointed about. Here's my question. Do you think Patrick was kind of pissed that he went to hug him? Well, that's what it's like. You have to like, kind of really think about it. But maybe spieth Alfred him by going in for the hug. And it was like a godfather moment. I like that. I knew.

I knew it was you. Oh, I that drink. I knew it was you. Oh, I love that. I knew it was you, Patrick. I like that take. God, I wouldn't go fishing with Jordan's feet if I was a spoiler like Ryan, I know you'd never seen a Godfather too. I'm already afraid of him

because I mean, he bypassed him to paraple JT at the Ryder Cup. It's true. This might be like the Godfather three we were watching already. Patrick does seem like he'd be hanging out of the two. He seems like the one to be swindled by Mogreen also. You know who I am. But I think I guess why I said that was I think I think Reed enjoys. He's the one guy who on tour. He would have leaned into it. Yeah. Kind of being a villain and saying what he feels and like, I don't care if you don't like me.

I just think that that only plays well, like one week every two years. And for other 51 weeks, like, all right, like I gotta face these guys every single week, I can't just be, gosh, you got me. It could be as fuel though. We gotta eat the fuel. You got me thinking 3D chess now

that maybe speak that it like, just to get even more inside his own head. Or inside your head. Look, let's go back to the tape. Well, more to come is this story develops. Well, I want to give a quick shout out to Taylor Gooch. He finished fourth last week in the Desert Classic to get into Torrey Pines and finished T3 here this week to survive in advance the next week.

The top 10 rule is so good on tour. It is, but Corey Connors was 20 second place in the FedEx Cup coming into this week. The top 10 rule is so good on tour. It is, but Corey Connors was 20 second place in the FedEx Cup coming into this week had to try to Monday qualify and didn't get in. Yeah, how was that? What does the point of the FedEx Cup if you can't use your standing in the FedEx Cup to get into an event? That is insane. What if he was leading it? I mean, I know you have had to have won to be leading it, but there's absolutely nothing like what if he was fifth without a win? If he'd finished runner up at every event, he still wouldn't be, I guess you would top 10 into it, but you get my point.

Are you answering your own question? No, you get my point though. Like if he was in the top 10, if he finished second, got way up on the FedEx Cup and then finished 11th the next week, he wouldn't be in the next event because he doesn't have status. Feels like you kind of need some kind of somewhat battlefield exemption. If you're in the top 30 in the FedEx Cup. It is wild.

He has a second and a T3 this season. Yeah. And is trying to Monday into events. That's absurd. I mean, he would be in a playoff event right now. If the season ended, if the season ended right now, he'd be qualified for the playoffs. Cut.

You have to be a member to be cool to qualify for the playoffs. You have to be a member to qualify for the playoffs. You have to be a member to qualify for the playoffs. But is he not a member? I guess, do you have to have status? Is there difference between having status, like, be it a two status and being a member? Any qualifier? There he is.

So he would be in, okay. Because I know that- Well, what's it, sorry. Because when this is bad radio here, what is his status? He gets into all these events. Like, it seems like he obviously has- We don't have to look that up. But I know when Bryson was playing on sponsors' exemptions

and wasn't a PGA tour member yet, he had to win to get into the FedEx Cup playoffs. Correct, yeah, yeah. Cause that's how you get special temporary memberships. We're giving the FedEx Cup too much credit as a result. We've said it too many times. I'm trying to figure out why he hasn't reshuffled. There's some like agents or something that are, you know, screen in a drive-off the road. But I don't get how he's

getting into so many events, but not reshuffling. Here's the point. Even if second in a T3, which is, I'm not making an excuse for us for not knowing, but this is kind of an example of like, how is this happening? We're trying to figure out how this, how he doesn't get into events and what not anyways. By my stat man here again, by my crew, uh, searching, he finished 130th in the FedEx couple last year. Okay. So he's playing 125 to or 126 to 150 or whatever. Which I don't think is subject to any reshuffles. Correct. Okay. So he's reshuffled to the top of that category. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. But best of

luck to, yeah, best of luck, you know, trying to get in these winner events. We did it for that, man. That was good. So, what is, again, this is gonna be a bad radio, I think. PGA Tour Live, NBC Gold. Like, I was kind of confused with why PGA Tour Live went to Twitter and I'm like, you know what, I'm paying for this.

Like, I'm taking to social media. And now I'm kind of like, you know what, I might just be good. I can take it to social media. And now I'm kind of like, you know what, I might just be good with the PGA Tour Live on Twitter and not need this NBC gold, which. Why buy the cow? Which the one thing that the tour didn't need to do was make online viewing weirder and harder to do or another weird type of viewing experience.

Maybe there's something I'm missing, but it seems like not something great for the users to not really fully understand what there's. It's,'t know it's gone from it's more expensive now too, which I think is I don't know which app it is it's gone from like must see kind of viewing to just yeah, maybe I'll just look at the leaderboard on Thursday night and see what happened. Yeah, you know it's it and I know we say this about golf all the time, but like, it would be so hard to explain to an alien who dropped in and was like, I'd love to watch one of your recreational activities. Like, all right, cool. Well, all you got to do is just check the leaderboard until PJ Tor live starts, then fire up PJ Tor live, except now it's actually PJ, it's, it's NBC Sports gold, but then

it's going to be free for an hour on Twitter. So check it out over there, but then it'll be on NBC Sports Gold, but then it'll be on Golf Channel, but then it'll go away for 15 minutes, but then it'll be on CBS. But it's also in Series X7. And it's, yeah, if you want to watch it, it's on Series X, or if you want to listen, it's on Series X7. Let's move on to Tory Pines. I know there's not much really to add in this conversation that we haven't covered in previous years, but I really was kind of setting out this should be like, all right, let's find the good in Tory Pines.

And the more blimp views they showed, the harder it was to be like, to really justify it. I mean, I don't, I know it's kind of a, it's up, it's more of a 2015 Twitter take to hate Tory Pines, but I get that the golf, the site, I might be a bit overrated. I don't think it's necessarily like the greatest site for a golf course some people think it is.

The hard part would seems to be to get grass to grow out there, which they seem to be doing just fine with. And they grow it everywhere. Like imagine covering that site in just thick, rough grass. That's the part that really frustrates me. And like they could play so much closer these cliffs and canyons and everyone's like, oh, you know, you erosion and blah blah blah.

It's like they got grass over there. They got rough. It's harder to do the rough. I would imagine close to those lines and it would be fairway. But I don't know. It's extremely not interesting to just see long par fours with bunkers on both sides of the fairway in the same place offline, not even in the way of the players that they have to play around them. And it's just so on its pipe. It creates and people the argument against it is like, oh look at the leaderboard, it's a great leaderboard. It's also a great field. It's a great field. And it just rewards that the the prototype PGA tour player that hits it really far and high and everything that guys that you know we've been somewhat tricked

into believing are the best players in the world because it's kind of the same formula test week after week. And it doesn't create excitement. It doesn't create excitement. It's a great leaderboard, but it wasn't exciting at all today. Well, you had to get taken the pin on 18. Might be kind of a straw man, or not a straw man,

but kind of a misleading ad pin. Misleading, exciting. It's like fake, fake excitement. Right. For a professional golfer to hit a wedge somewhere in a bowl that's like 50 feet wide. And then also if you wanna go for it, like you just use the grandstands as a bumper

like Jason Day did, I mean, it is kind of manufactured excitement I would say. Except that one your Kyle Stanley hit in the wall. Oh right, this is the first unit they haven't shown that highlight. I think actually I was just red again. I'm like, oh here we go, it's around this time. And then your statute of limitations is run out. It finally has, I think actually. I was just dreading it. I'm like, oh, here we go. It's from this time. The year's Statute of Libertations is running.

It finally has, I guess. It's one been seven years. I think what you have to understand about Tori for everybody's snowed in in the Midwest in Northeast. It's your first peak at warm weather. There's the ocean, the hang, like, I feel like it's more about the ambiance and the aesthetic of the event and the actual golf course.

Like I can remember watching Tori growing up, I don't care about the golf necessarily, I just care that, oh, it looks really warm there and that's nice because it's, you know, 10 degrees outside and I haven't seen the sun in a week. I think that's fine, that kind of perspective is fine, but it's also one of those things where it's like, you don't realize how good it could be.

No, and I was, I'm agreeing with everything you said. Yeah. I think just remembering back in my own history though, I didn't care that the golf wasn't exciting or that the course isn't as good as it could be. Yeah. Well, because it was simply an escape. I think there's a good case to be made

that it is a good tournament golf course and that thick rough narrow fairways and all of these things are actually good for tournament golf for a lot of the reasons that we do talk about, which is, you know, with an angles, don't matter as much to these guys because they'll spin a wedge from wherever or drop a wedge into a garbage can from the rough or no matter what. And so the players love it because they can shut their brains off and play it sort of about it, which sucks.

I think it's from an interest standpoint. And the issue I've always had with it too is people say it's like a demanding driving course. And like it is, it's hard to hit fairways out there. They're really narrow, but you're almost better off missing fairways really badly than you are, you know, like a foot into the deep rough because there's usually a fairway bunker waiting for you there. Whereas you blow it off into the, like some of the places where tigers usually playing from are actually not bad angles and you just don't really feel the same kind of punishment for very offline shots. But good news

is they're set for a $14 million irrigation and bunker work in the offseason here So some more watering and just Doing all these bunkers even linched tweeted a sign of That was in the golf shop that said if you've Basically if you're if you can't find your ball in the rough after one minute Just drop it where you think it is which a like if you dropped where you thought it was like it would be there. Three of penalty. Three of penalty. Yeah, yeah. Which, and B, it's like maybe we could, maybe we could just cut the rough,

maybe a little bit. That would speed up play and that would solve, you know, save these people are already paying whatever they're paying to play this stupid golf course. We would save them with a couple golf balls as well. How many mower blades are getting chewed through as golf, they just chop up golf or someone's reselling all these balls.

Props huge tax free racking. Ooh, there we go. I was gonna say prop so because it is a cheap option for residents of San Diego. Yes, cool model there. And that is I would think as close as kind of American golf gets to almost a Scottish model of gouging the outsiders and taking care of the insiders.

Sure. So yeah, of course. I'd be fine with that if it was a course that would be fun for people to play. It doesn't look that fun to play. I would think for a midhandy kept for me. Well, that's where I go back to, and people rode hard against me for this take last time.

So I'm gonna double down. But that's where I come back to, I'm like, Beth Page too. It's like, feels very similar. And I know it's not always in tournament shape or US Open Shape and a lot of times they do cut back the rough. And it's not always such a punch in the face to play, but yeah, it kind of seems like the closest East Coast version

to what we see here. I just want to mention that Kevin Chapel and Jason Gore are tied for the Aeon Risk Award challenge. Yeah, I was kind of hopefully adopt this as kind of my block. You know, I think we saw the 18th hole as this week's risk reward A on challenge whole kind of get into some players heads. I saw your boy Ricky made double there,

clearly thinking about the risk and the reward that the whole presented and that season long race for a million bucks of nebulous cash from a faceless sponsor. So yeah, cool to see that. Cool to see that. For sure. Okay. That's most of what we were looking for down the stretch there. That was we were on the edge of the couch there. We saw it. We saw it in John Ram's head too. It was that short birdie pie too much too much pressure Bryson to Shambo his fourth win in nine starts Despite me tweeting that's at 45 a.m. That it was fourth win and 10 starts I count the heroes to really four and eight. Yeah, I count the hero which I would allow people to do

See it's two starts for me. So because it's such a great field and it deserves official world golf ranking points But so we touched on a bit earlier just on his Bryce and potentially one of the best players in the world. The rankings are not power rankings, but if they were power rankings, he would be number two in the world right now. I would say for sure. There's not a ton to add for just the fact that he was just dominant one by seven, but in his interview after the round, I picked up the quote around e-referenced air pressure, mile per hour on the speed, puts, and we're trying to figure out as much as possible so I can be as consistent as possible and obviously it's showing.

Which I think you just kind of went into, like, all right, my smart mode, boom, boom, boom. And he said, myelper hour on the speed, he's like, oh, I got a band in this because I don't know where I'm gonna follow up. I love this one. Gosh, so we've heard so much of the science stuff and it's really kind of just made me check out a little bit because I'm like, alright, I people are just thrusting this narrative on him and whatever. This is the first week where I've really dove in and read a lot more of these quotes and

watch some of the telecasts and seeing the highlights and stuff and like I'm kind of buying it more than ever now, especially just some of his, I pulled out a couple of other quotes, what was most of the one, like people asking about his putting and the key is talking about this putting system and blah, blah, blah. And he sounds like Club Pro guy now. He's like, that is something that is proprietary.

It's something we've worked very hard to figure out. That's why I think we're successful this week. And it's like, there is a, and he's talking about how he knows, the grain is going the opposite way of the slope. And he just trust his system. And he knows exactly what it's going to do. And then it does. It's just, I don't know, I'm buying up all the Bryson stock feels like Tesla stock, like seven or eight years ago. They've got all this crazy as technology. You don't even, you don't even know where they're going to

go with it. And it seems like it could flame out spectacularly. And it go to Mars. Down the stretch. He could do a, yeah, weird podcast with Joe Rogan, another stretch. You want to talk about underrated. Oh, yeah. This guy has a clear case of being the most underrated golfer in the world. I'll give you that. I mean, he is one of the three best players in the world right now, full stop. Yeah. And I think if it weren't for the goofy off-course stuff and the science-y stereotype, I mean, the guy won the NCAA individual in the USAM in 2015. Term Pro won on the Web Tour in 2016. One is first PGA Tour in 2017, one four times last year and has already won on the PGA again, and now is won in Europe.

It's like holy shit. And he's not like doubling down the science stuff. He's not like tripling, he's like sex tumbling down. He's like, I'm gonna, this is gonna be my thing. Well, I got a couple more questions there. I can't wait for these. He said, I'm not gonna predict the future, but I know that with what we do

and how hard my caddy Tim Tucker works, shout out to that guy, more than that in a second. And how hard I work, I think we'll figure out some stuff that nobody's figured out before. It makes a difference, it really does. And what was the stuff about the errors that other people are making? He said, and this is all kind of slightly paraphrased,

but he said, I can see all the errors that everyone else is making on the golf course when I play with them. They hit a shot and I'm like, well, that's gonna go long and yeah, or it's gonna go short. And yeah, we know why it happens before it happens. And they're trying to play with the yardages

they're trying to play to. We know it because the conditions are changing sometimes and it's fun. It's fun to see that. Oh my God. I said, so it does make an impact. I think more people are gonna start taking it into account that, oh my gosh, this is, this is actually not a joke. This is legitimate science, which I still kind of wonder what a real scientist would say

about the things he says. I think he's like a really good fake scientist. He was, he was lamenting also that the one thing they'll never be able to solve, which sounded like the worst science fiction movie ever. The one thing we'll never be able to solve is the wind. We'll never be able to predict the wind accurately. He seems like he's on the forefront and I said this in an earlier pod. So I'm repeating myself if anybody's listening, it seems like there's a lot of parallels between pro golf, going the way, uh, formula, formula one racing, and really any, you know, racing where, yes, you have the driver,

the guy who actually has to do the action, but you have this huge team around him just trying to work literally on the margins to gain any advantage through science and the conditions and the technology. And I feel like Bryson's on the forefront of that movement. And it could be really where the sport is going when you combine the technology aspect with his success. And that's where people are gonna copy it.

Yeah, we have to, at least for myself personally, we've been making fun of this guy for many years now, is like very clearly state what he's doing is amazing. Not just like his record, but being someone who has transformed the wet. Not he, he has not transformed the way the club is being swung, but like you just said, it might change the way the club is swung in the future, but saying, no, I'm going to do this differently than really anyone's done it ever. I'm going to have again, it's mentioned every single time he hits an iron that they're

all the same length, but it's insane to do that. I get really, it is. I was going to say, you know, I really haven't thought about that in a couple of months. All his iron's at the same length. You're programmed to get it. You're getting inherently, but I haven't really thought about it in a long time. That is nuts. And there are 13 degrees upright, and he swings it in a way that no human would do it naturally. And that takes serious guts to risk or try to build a career, like doing things so different than everybody else does it. And he's running circles around people.

I mean, when he came out, the first week he came out, I think I tweeted something like, all right, let's everybody manage expectations. If he fails at the beginning, that doesn't mean anything. And Like, if he fails at the beginning, like that doesn't mean anything, and if he does really well at the beginning, like we'll see what his career is like. And he finished T4 at Harbor Town. I was like, okay, he's gonna be able

to ride a cup team with 160. I was riding hard for that. And it didn't work out that way. But now it's like, all right, this is, like he is more and more comfortable in his own skin. I don't think he cares what people thinks and he is gonna absolutely wreck people in 19, I think. So how good was the video I'm rooting for and shout out to, I don't know if it was Sky Sports or whoever, the European tour, whoever had a hand in capturing all

the audio between him and his caddy this week and Dubai because like that shit is awesome. He's talking about air density minus 10% plus 10% plus carry plus rollout plus all of these things and basically they get to like yeah It's just like a hard 50 degree Yeah, it reminds me of like when I'm walking and I'm you know walking down the fairway and you guys are off this side Hey, do you see the 100-year-old marker? Yeah, okay, I'll figure that it's fun But interestingly enough that conversation you're referring to kind of bridges the gap to this next conversation which How tongue Lee was assessed a two-shot penalty on the 72nd hole today

It dropped him from a tie for third to a tie for 12 This is the new rule on caddy's lining up players and he is and I can play it out as best I can obviously can show a video in a podcast But he is not yet addressed the ball. He's getting into a stance, kind of taking a practice swing next to the ball. Five, six foot putt. Yes. And his caddy is like looking at, I think the way I interpret it, his caddy is reading the putt.

And as far as I can tell, not even saying anything to him at that point. And as soon as how it's on gets even close to the ball, the caddy clearly starts to walk away, knowing that he can't be in the line of the player, that the player is taking while he's taking a stance. And he hasn't addressed it yet. And he doesn't move him around.

He doesn't, nothing happens. And instead of giving the player the benefit of the doubt, he's assessed a two shot penalty, which is as far as I can tell, 100 grand. He got made an example out of, yeah, which, he's harkening back to the masters that only slowplay penalty that we ever really had was against Guantan long or whatever it is. It's kind of like, man, would they have given that to Tiger on the 72nd hole, would they have given that penalty? No. Like, would they give it to Bryson? Like, what the hell was that? Yeah. That's extremely,

extremely weird. And it's not, if it was more blatant, I could be like, all right, this is the USGA, RNA, making an example, European tour, making an example of like, this is what happens when you violate this rule. That is like not even, it was not even a gray area to me. It was like very clearly he had not addressed it. And that's the whole thing about the simplification of the rules and we're gonna be trusting player intent a lot more and all of these things.

And like that was the definition of There was no intent here and if there was intent then this was the most masterfully orchestrated seamlessly timed thing like okay Look at where my my right foot is exactly when you step up to the ball That's really where you're trying to line up like it would have had to be the most when you step up to the ball, that's really where you're trying to line up. Like it would have had to be the most ridiculously,

well, my point on the transition is, that conversation you're referencing was posted to the European tour and I don't have the timer on that. I'm just gonna guess, it took Bryce and Longer than 45 seconds to play that shot, right? The intention of this rule that, that Hal Tong Lee gets penalized on

is to speed up pace of play. One of these examples is being celebrated on the European tour social media. Rightfully so. I thought it was cool. But they've just decided that this rule is not going to get put into effect. It's a rule in the rule book, but nobody ever enforces it

ever anywhere, except for maybe the Shotcock Masters. And this is, is Bryson going to suffer at the Shotcock Masters? We need to talk about that. They're very well-cooked. European tour member now. But just to have this again, it's supposed to be a simplification. And now it's like, man, that is not the way I expected that rule to be interpreted in

any way. So that was really disappointing. I don't know who thought that they needed to really like, you know, throw themselves under an aid here and stand up for the integrity of golf by enforcing that one But that was some bad self-awareness there. Yeah, it's a rarity that we'll double up on I think European tour criticism But it's gonna be a hot topic of discussion this coming week as the European tour heads to another segway Saudi Arabia For the very first time. Are we talking King Abdullah economic city? It's really just perked up. He had nothing to say on the rules front.

And now he's ready to talk about the Arab states. Or anyone's talking about his boy, MBS. What can you say about MBS that Tom Freeman didn't say already? It was really, I don't know where you want to start exactly, but I found it really interesting that Golf channel Morning Drive would tackle the topic. The topic? Yeah, the topic. Especially that program, I feel like it's much more vanilla.

And so they brought on Keith Pelley and essentially asked him, like, hey, in light of, obviously, everything that went down late last fall, you know, it talked to me about the decision to go to Saudi Arabia. And he gave a really long word salad answer. And I think nowhere in that answer did he? I've got it, if you wanted. Touch upon the actual question. Our main focus is on the safety and security

of our players and staff. Like many global companies who operate in the region, we have monitored the situation. Having looked at that and having done our due diligence in terms of the safety and security we're obviously moving forward and looking forward to this new chapter on the European tour that's from Shackleford site but what a yeah stupid answer though because the question was not that wasn't question the question is not like hey are you worried about your players being murdered

over there it's like no are you worried about the fact that they're murdering other people and maybe this doesn't send a great message for your players to be there? It's like, no, our guys are going to be totally safe. Oh, okay, cool. Moving on, next question. And that's where the topic gets interesting, I think, because obviously there is stuff to say about society or rabia specifically. And then you can use it as a jumping off point to talk about some other locations where professional golf has played worldwide. And I think those are two, they're the same topic, but, but they're also maybe separate topics. I think in child to Brando, I don't have his audio exactly, but he went basically in on the ridiculousness that the European tour is going to Saudi

Arabia. I was, I'm still has to just to wait into it because I don't want to act like a higher moral being of some kind. I'm sure that no matter what happened, the point I brought up quickly was like, all right, your Pientor has been going to Qatar for how long and listen, their human rights record there is. It's too much.

Yeah, if you follow the World Cup. Right, development. Yeah. And so it's like, I find it a bit interesting that obviously it's in line with you know recent things that have happened with Saudi Arabia and American journalists, but it's like all right, why are we drawing a line in the San Diego or Saudi Arabia and not Qatar or anything going on in China or anything in other parts of the world. It's kind of, it's just interesting.

To that point, it's interesting the golf channel actually really did dive in on it. Yeah, and are they airing? I'm assuming they're airing it, right? For sure, although Brandyl's, which was sick, very quickly pointed out, like I, basically Gary Williams was, I think maybe making a bit of a false equivalency, saying like, well, you know,

if these guys are coming down and Brooks Kepke has got a, you know, one shot lead coming down to the last hole and you're watching, you know, does that make you complicit? And Brandyl just basically said, well, it doesn't matter because I'm not gonna watch it. Like I'm not gonna watch any of it.

Which is pretty cool. It's weird like DJ is playing. And Patrick Reed. Yeah. And Justin Rose. I think what's interesting about this is, and Tally, you said it well, is Hey, listen, they play in some other areas of the world that have very, you know, to put it lightly sketchy things going on down right,

abhorrent stuff in places. But I think what Saudi Arabia offered was maybe on the flip side, like, where's the line? Right? Like, if was maybe on the flip side, like where's the line, right? Like if you can draw the line here, no exactly. Where are you ever gonna draw the line? Like this was the possibility for such an easy, you know, PR play to stand up for something.

And it's like if you can't do that here, where are you gonna do it? Yeah, exactly. And that's where you kept seeing a lot of the people, again, in that golf channel thing, just saying, you know, well, you could point a finger anywhere. It's like, yeah, you could. Like let's start with the easiest one, man. Like, this is so black and white.

I got it. And I don't know. I do, I don't want to hedge too much. But I know that obviously I'm not a player. I'm not a European tour player. And I'm not a young European tour player who needs starts and all those things. And like, I can't put myself in one of their shoes. It's extremely easy to say, there's no way I would ever play in that. I can say pretty confidently that if I'm Dustin Johnson, I'm not playing for whatever

you're going to pay me because I already have all the money anyways. So I can say, it's weird, but it's almost like, dude, the big name player is like, yeah, that kind of is your responsibility, man. Like you gotta own this. If you really want the million dollars that's all half of which is gonna disappear to random obligations and stuff anyways,

like if that's really what you want, like cool, then you got to own some major criticism here for going to do this. Yeah, I agree. And I think, to your point, that the lesser, you know, the guys who do need starts, who do need money on the Euro tour, that's where the leadership of the tour, like, it's up to them not to put those guys in that situation. Yeah, exactly.

And I think that's a failure on the leadership of the Euro tour. Which I'm not gonna pretend to understand how this works from a technical standpoint, but I don't really honestly don't understand how when players become members of the PGA Tour, how the rules work on competing in sanctioned events around the world and whatnot. But does the PGA Tour have to give PGA Tour players

permission to compete in European Tour events if they're not members of the European tour? I believe so. I don't know if it's like an all-encompassing, you know, if it's event by event or if it's just, you know, kind of like the Euro tour and the Asian tour and blah, blah, blah, all kind of like white listed for the year. Like you're good for anything. But I see what you're getting at. Like could the PGA tour basically put an injunction on,

hey, this, you know, we are not sanctioning your, you know, we have a PJ tour event this week that you're skipping to go play this and we're not gonna allow you to do that. I don't know how that works or if they would be allowed to do that or not, but it's, yeah, question worth asking. Yeah, if that is the case,

if they have that, you know, ability to do that and they have not done that, are they complicit? I guess we're again, where do you draw a line with the, uh, yeah, who is complicit and who isn't in this? Yeah. And I, I really like your, your point, Randy. It's like the, you know, the other thing that Pellie said on, on golf channel was, which is a fine point is basically like, well, you know, in late January, early February, that, you know, there's only so many places we can play in the year, and we got to play in the Middle East because we can't play in Ireland, or Scotland,

or France, or any of these places. And it's like, yeah, okay, so you have to go to Abu Dhabi, like, dude, come on, man, that's not an excuse to keep, you know, to make this okay. Your tour has survived for how many years without ever going to Saudi Arabia. How about Australia? Yeah, Australia's warmest time here.

I don't know. Like maybe players, maybe make players take a little longer flight than going to Saudi Arabia right now. It's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out. I mean, I will say for those, if you are in King Abdul economic city this week, getting ready for the event,

Mariah Carey's plan. Tiesta. Tiesto is doing concert. Sean Paul is doing a concert, which makes me feel better. If those guys are going there, get strong moral compasses. Exactly. They got, they're really weighing, you know, they're not really driven by anything, except for their art. So I think that's, that makes me feel like Jimmy Buffett was there. We know big Randy for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the gosh, what a quandary that would put you in. Uh, what's the furthest would put you in. Huh? What's the furthest you've traveled to see it? You live long enough to see your heroes become the villains. Yeah, I've gone cross country to see them. Yeah.

All right. One more topic and we'll get to, this can be a quick one, then we'll get to a couple questions and then we'll wrap it up. But Rory kind of went in on Ho Sung Choi a little bit this week. He said, I mean, technically his swing is good. If you watch it up until impact, he's technically got a pretty good swing. He's obviously a pretty good player. Whether that means he should be taking a spot away from a PGA tour player at a PGA tour event. I'm not so sure. But yeah, I mean, it's gained

a little bit of notoriety. He's a good player. I'm not sure a golf shot shouldn't mean that much to you that you're doing that after you hit it. Like it's just trying a little too hard. You have to try hard at golf, but that's taking it to an extreme. Bre. I don't know. The only thing is. I love it.

Here's what I love it. I do. Speak your truth. I really do like the spirit of, you know, saying something like that. What I will say, Hosong Choi is number 194 in the world this week. Last week, Adam Long was number 417 in the world.

And so it's like, dude, he's not like total joke. Like, come on, he's not knocking up. Exactly. He was doing this before any TV cameras were on him for as long as as far as I can know. Yeah, I felt like kind of a weird, another one, a weird hill to die on first. Well, and that's, but that's kind of

what I want to get through. And you can give it to whoever you want. I, that's kind of the benefit of sponsoring a tournament. But the reason I kind of want to even talk about this was like, I don't want to roast Rory. No, no, no, anyone that says this, it's like, dude, if this is what you truly think, yeah, please say that. For sure. And you are a tour player, you have more of a stake in this

than any of us ever will. Like if that's how you feel about it, that's how other tour players feel about it. Say that and always feel free to speak your mind. And it's, you know, the kind of negative reaction to comments like these that prevent players from speaking their mind. No, I love they set it. I just slightly disagree. Totally disagree with them. I'm obviously coming from Big Roy Fant, like I hope I'm joined Beatz on that week. That'd be awesome.

That'd be a great storyline. I think you shouldn't be here. Like he can play and he'd be interested in the CMC on the BGA. But that's where it's like, dude, you just say one shred of an interesting thing and now boom, like there's a built-in storyline for Saturday, Sunday, which is great.

I'm in. Yeah. The only thing I'll add, you know what this episode made me think about? I talked to a little internal plug here for the trap draw. I talked to my guy, Lorna Rubenstein, last year. He wrote a book about Mo Norman. Yeah. You know, your favorite ball striker's favorite ball striker and Moe was a very a centric person and his book chronicled

You know moe came he's from Canada. He came down played some pj tour events, but was never he was almost mocked and ridiculed by his fellow pros and You know moe had a lot of and I don't know really anything about Hosong Choi Beyond what we see in the highlights each week on Gov Channel, but Mo had some more personality. Yeah, I hesitate to call them issues, but just things going on. But it was interesting, I think Rory saying this, kind of, it reminded me of, it's a different era for sure, but can somebody truly a centric find a place

in professional golf on the PGA tour? And I think Hosong Choi is maybe at least swing wise again, I don't know anything about his personality or anything like that, but he's a good test case to see how he's accepted and talked about amongst his fellow pros. And if this Rory, you know, quote, is anything, it might be a bit frosty at least at first. Yeah.

And it sounds a lot, Rory's quotes always sound a lot worse. Like when they're printed, then he kind of has like a smirky way of saying it and kind of a way of explaining himself. But, but that, okay, that's that. I'm going to get to a couple questions, then we'll wrap it. One of the questions we stole earlier was from David Farrell, the chance that the delicate genius is overall number one by the end of the year. We tackled that one.

How, from IOP capital, how disappointing was Captain America's lip out on 18? What does that mean? Patrick Reed shot 69, 69, 69, he lip-diped on 18 and shot 70. Almost the perfect gauge. Extremely disappointing. I almost never talk about a perfect gauge. Matt McCormick says, does roses shout out to Fouche adjust your opinion of the lad? No, no one's that, we're never said like,

this is such a scummy guy or like, first of all, it's not very exciting. Pretty sure his Peter causes his shout out. Yeah, so he kind of set him up for, he really set him up for success there. He just led right into it. It's like, I know this, you know, this, you know, he didn't even ask him a question.

I know this wind pride, you know, there's probably one guy you're thinking about and they teed it up because his, his caddy, of course, was out with heart surgery. But real question here is what do we think? What do we think Rose pays Gareth Lord and line with our conversations for eight questions a couple weeks go on a Couture, what do you think he pays them for this? Not as full-time caddy, but is it full-time tour caddy? Does he get the full 10%?

I would say anything gosh. I don't know. That's Tricky Waters if I'm Justin Rose and I'm number one player in the world, I just signed a new equipment deal. Well, that's kind of what I was going to say. And on top of this coochernuse, I would not only what I paid the deficit, I'd make sure that gets publicized a little bit. Like, that's a pretty easy win for you. I agree. It's, I was going to say anything, it's sort of hard to spend someone else's money. I was also on the FedEx Cup last year too.

Yeah, yeah, which he may have given 10% to food on that one, who knows? That's true. I would say anything between five and 10% would be. Yeah. A. Okay. That would be acceptable. Yeah.

I cut off a name on this one. Sorry, but Justin Rose's career or Bubba's career if both stopped right now. Ooh, that's a good question. The same number would. Which is better, which would I rather have? I think what would you rather have? Uh, purely golf.

I'd pick, I'd still pick Bubba's. I just love, I love the masters. Yeah, I don't know. Two-time masters champ. Yeah. I'll take, I mean, I don't know what, I guess the money, I guess, for roses is probably better than Bubba and probably more tour wins.

But it's probably, doesn't Bubba have, this is his 10th? Doesn't Bubba have 10 or a lot? He does have 10. You're right, but doesn't, have this is his 10th. Doesn't bother. He does have 10. You're right, but doesn't does not have a fed up. He threatened he was gonna retire when he got to 10. I guess the question, the question is, is a FedEx cup worth the masters? I'm controversial take, but I'm gonna say no. No.

We'll see. Patrick Harringen might disagree with that. Gosh, that was, that's the quote that doesn't get talked about enough. The initial promo for the FedEx cup had some players saying basically, you know, when you're, when, when all said and done to your career, it's not going to be how many majors you want. It's going to be how many FedEx cups you want. Just proving so far.

Listen, it's early, proving so far to be false. Um, SH Stimer says, why do they bother with the North course at Tory? North course is sweet. It's cool. It's easier. So they can get more players. It is. Yeah. It's this time of year or slow. And they need more, getting, planning opportunities and all that. Yeah. It's not enough daylight. That's basically why. Yeah. So basically everything on the west coast, except starting with Riviera and Riviera is a smaller field. Waste management is a smaller field also. Those are both the events are at one course, but obviously the Pel Beach programs across three courses, the classic is across three courses.

Hawaii or Sony Open is slightly smaller than 156 players, I believe, and they usually don't finish the Thursday, Friday round. So basically it's just all an exercise of trying to jam in as much round or must golf as you can while there is some daylight. The North course is sweet though. If you're ever out at Torrey Pines, don't sleep on it. Go check. More fun for people. Go check. I think it'd be, I have, I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but yeah, if I could pick, I would absolutely pick the North course to go play. I haven't played

either, but South course just doesn't look very fun. Looks like I would shoot a million and go home. I think I've played it. I honestly just doesn't look very fun. Looks like I would shoot a million and go home. I think I've played it. I honestly don't remember. I think it was like 10 years ago, 12 years ago. Brian Bishop, why is Gary McCord so annoying on the broadcast? I mean, this isn't spring going on for quite a long time. Sounds like kind of a loaded question.

I don't know. Brian, I don't know if you ever real open mind about the question. I think I've stopped feeding your I don't, I don't, I don't know if you have a real open mind about the about the question you ask me. Have you stopped feeding your wife? Yeah, exactly. That's all the questions I had. I don't know if you guys had any more that you wanted to add on. Listen, McCord is fine. You're McCord guy? I'm kind of a...

I know. I wouldn't say McCord guy. Doses. He doesn't offend me as much just because the whole telecast kind of seems... Like, it seems so lost anyways that sometimes he makes me laugh So the accord and ferrdy were good together. Yeah, that's that's true I know this has been set on this podcast before too, but you know back when you had McCord and Ferrdy playing off of each other It kind of worked. Yeah, now you just have McCord in a vacuum where he's just like, he's the only one that's going out there

and no one really wants to go with him. It's kind of awkward quite as fun. Yeah, I have one more question from David Williams who said, again, kind of a bit loaded. How long till Rom actually loses his mind on the golf course? Love me my new favorite thing. That's my new favorite, like cameras, you know, it's much darker than our cameras are making it look,

is Rom's work is really our cameras are making it look is Rob's working really hard. I control it this temper and then you just slam the golf club down. They're like, well, you know, he, you know, he was lost in a little bit there. But then he had bigger fidget. He's probably, I actually, I like that he plays a lot of passion actually. I think that's really fun. And then they reset and five holes later. They do the whole song and dance again.

Not to bring this back full circle to Saudi, but Will Gray just tweeted, after winning it to a world number one, Justin Reswell heads straight to Saudi Arabia on playing in next week's controversial European tour of it. He says, I'm not a politician, I'm a pro golfer. God, that seems like a very, that's such a cop out. Yeah, exactly.

All right. I think that's good for now. I am excited to see how this plays out. It should be another pod up later this week, probably on Wednesday, and everyone enjoy the week. And thanks for the questions, and thanks for tuning in. Cheers. Cheers.

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