No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 194: Genesis Open Recap

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

JB Holmes very slowly marched his way to victory at the Genesis Open. We discuss slow play, whether it will ever be addressed and many other topics from the weekend. We breakdown the broadcast, finally... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 194: Genesis Open Recap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Podcast. We are a day late later than usual holiday weekend Federal holiday federal holiday I do apologize for that a lot of we just got back from California last week I had a wedding this weekend. We're kind of all over a lot of places. And I didn't, I'm full confession.

I didn't watch a lot of golf this weekend. I was streaming it in a bar in Miami last night, trying to keep up with it with no sound, just because everyone was so fired up about everything it was going on. But I'm gonna have my good friends, Tron Carter and DJ Pyer here. They're gonna fill it in,

fill in the details on what happened. And I think we have a few topics to talk about. A lot of topics. I watched a lot of golf because it just wouldn't stop. It just kept going. Not by choice. You watched a lot of golf. It just went on for a really, really, really long time.

It did. And I'm trying to welcome back, by the way. It's been a minute. Thanks. So people thought you were suspended for the podcast. No, I don't know. Well, then I was thinking, can you swage those rivers? Oh, no.

I've been here all along. Just, you know, took rivers? Oh, no. I've been here all along. It took some time for my family. He always shuts it down at this part of the year. Yeah. He didn't even touch a club. Sunday nights are tough. Sunday nights are tough.

But we're here. It's Monday evening. And this is the Genesis Open Wrap-Up. We're going to talk a bit about Coocher and all that stuff. We're going to put that to bed. We're going to, definitely, say that's going to get put to bed here. Please. DJ has some strong thoughts on golf coverage. I think that We're gonna put that to bed. We can definitely say that's gonna get put to bed here. Please. DJ has some strong thoughts on golf coverage.

I think that we're gonna get to as well. So, Phil said with what happened yesterday, kind of the whole weekend and kind of what's got you guys raging today. Can I lead her off? Absolutely. I wanna say congrats to Nelly Corda. Yeah.

That was awesome. Dan impressive victory. And the course was awesome. The coverage was awesome. It was it was on prime basically prime time started at 9 p.m. More golf in Australia, please. It was good. The fourth quarter to win an Australian open title. That's mind-blowing. Her dad was a professional golfer when the Australian open her brother like when the Australian ameter or one Junior junior and open and then her sister won the same event, the seven years ago, I believe. What was it?

What was it? You said golf. Oh, I meant to. My brain has dried. And she put me five of six holes in the middle of her round when she was already leading. It was a pretty impressive display. She's only what, 20 or 21?

Yeah. So it's bright future. It's cool. Just because I don't know when else we're going to mention it, shout out to Matt McNeNeely as well solo second on the web tour. Correct. Big start. And homeless hubs.

And homeless hubs. Yeah. All right now let's get into it after that. We had to bring some positivity. For sure. Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a compliment sandwich. We had to balance it out.

So JB Holmes first of all, incredibly impressive back nine. I think everything kind of got sidetracked with the slow play stuff and the slow play stuff and the slow play stuff. Mostly, but that back nine was crazy impressive. It chased down JT in brutal, brutal conditions. Playing that back nine in even par in the last group was super impressive. So let's start there.

That's awesome. It's really good golf. I don't think anyone's debating that part. Also massively underrated, the whole brain surgery thing is it only got mentioned once on the broadcast yesterday, which is kind of impressive, because that's wild, man. They didn't really have a lot of time

to really talk about JB Holmes. That's true, yeah. They're kind of limited. That's a good point. It was cool to see, I mean, JB, he credits his, his whole resurgence this week. He came into this week outside the top 200 in Stovskane putting. And I think led the field this week, which is, well, thanks to his new, and he

credited his new routine, his new routine, which included what was not limited to plum bobbing from six inches. That clip was the most like, okay, he's messing with us, right? Like this is part of, I actually really, really dislike slow play Twitter. I think it's just like a, people are so loud about it. And it's like, we all agree that slow play sucks. Like just yelling about it, I don't know what it does.

But then I saw that clip of him plubbing on the, like the six inch putt. And I'm like, what is actually going on here? Is he trying to get a penalty? Is he trying to get put on the clock? Is he like pulling a Keppga or something like that? And that's really the only explanation for it. It really doesn't make any sense

unless he's like, doctor prescribed. I must plum-bob every single putt. Is there any other explanation? I don't know. It's just routine, man. I don't know. He was feeling himself and putting well. So I guess he just stuck to it. I guess my problem with it is he doesn't start his routine.

Yeah. Like until everybody else in the group is hit, every other guy out there, most other guys out there are started, you know, I'm not saying that I think 60% of guys on tour are probably in the slow camp, but I think a lot of them are slow because they have to be slow, right? Um, because they, like they've had to adjust their stuff to that, but they all start their routine at least before it's their turn to hit. Right, the back of the work.

Just like, you can get, if you wanna look at the putt from the other side of the hole and the guy is not standing over it, like you can walk around and start gathering that information. Get deep in your greens book, if you're using one. When did that band start for those? I don't know.

I thought that was a, I already not a thing. That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah. Someone was like, Oh, God, he's been looking at his Greens book forever. I'm like, Oh, God, that's another thing. Get rid of those too. Those are disgusting. I, I'm with you. Like, I'm, I'm not a fan of slowplay Twitter. Because usually you can cover it on the broadcast and it doesn't really impact things that much because it's like, yeah, you

know, JB's going to play slow and he takes a long time over the ball. Cool. Just cut away to to someone else. And CBS was sticking with him a lot more yesterday. Like, like, like, okay, he's starting his routine. Like, let's go to JB and it was just cool. Let's watch him for two minutes. So I think it exacerbated what probably goes on every single week. But just because this goes back to you, of course, TV producers are the keepers of the takes. All the takes. They're the ones who decide what your takes end up being

because they pick what to show you, which is something we'll get to later as well, with an omission of Jordan's spieths eight at number 10. But I think that, yeah, when it takes six hours to play around of golf and like for some reason, I sit on the couch and watch all of that, like that's one slow play. Like that's when I can abide this no longer. And for him to blame the conditions on it, like, dude, we saw the same thing at

Torrey last year. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're notorious for this conditions were really. And you've gotten even slower instead of like, you know, even Kevin Nah, who somebody who's got a lot of flack for it over the years, I do feel like he's gotten better.

And he's accepted it. He's like, he's tried to improve in many different ways in that regard. And JB's kind of got taken the middle finger to be like, and JB, we're gonna be hard on JB, but he's not the only one. It's just, this is the latest case. And, and he's not even, I don't even think

he's really to blame because if the Like the tours just daring him to do it. Well, not only that last year when Tory happened Jay monahan came out and specifically said that He saw no problem in what JB Holmes did installing Alex Norton for four minutes and then eventually laying up It's unsportsman like it's me. It's cheating. Well, that's he was playing so slow I was worried they were gonna give Seawood Kim and Penelope to me it's cheating. Well, that's he was playing so slow I was worried they were going to give see what came in penalty. Well, I think it's like, all right, talking about and I said something like this on Twitter,

but I guess I didn't I didn't even fully understand that you can't get penalized until you're put on the clock, which and then when you're put on the clock, the rule says it is suggested that a player has to play a stroke within 40 seconds. So it's not really even a written hardcore rule, which doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, is that in the PGA tour? That's like the USGAs. That's like the USGAs.

Yeah, so one, they should be so fast to put people on the clock. Like, that's not a penalty. I mean, just be like, hey, we are now monitoring your pace of play. So then invoke a local rule every week then. Sure. Put your own shit in place.

Right. I mean, something's got, I don't know. I always struggle with like a strict shot clock because sometimes when you're standing over the ball, the wind changes. Totally. And like you need to change clubs. And sometimes you're truly between shots

that you want to play. And I, I just, I don't want to turn PJ to work off into the shot clock masters. I think that concept's kind of cool. It's common sense. You're talking to the wrong. I know. It's kind of cool. Comments are the wrong. I know people for that day. It's common sense. All right.

I think so. If it's so obviously, the PJ tour, I hope, is gathering data on these players. And they should be able to print out a report and show the players by the end of the year. Randall tweeted something today. Apparently the Euro tour did this already. Really? They tracked like 22,000 some shots and basically summed up that like, no, players actually played a little better when they play faster.

Yeah, interesting. And those been on a contrarian heater lately. Yeah, I was one of the few things I agreed with them. Exactly. But I think that the whole, so the counter argument and what JB or Jason Day or whomever will very understandably say is we're playing for so much money that you know, I'm not going to hit until I'm ready. And I totally get that. The counter of that is you're playing for so much money because people tune in on TV

to watch you. And there's a lot of diminishing returns here, guys, like the slower you play here, the more of you're going to turn people off. And that is like, that's an incredibly real thing. Like that's not, it's not something that's just going to go away. And like people's attention spans are going to be like, oh, you you know what I totally grasp the context of why he's playing slow and it's totally okay play away guys Yes, but yo, I have shit to do. I'm not sitting here watching this anymore And like the more that this happens the like how is this not just the biggest red flag?

Or if they ran out of daylight yesterday. Well, I was I was definitely for that now to point, if I'm a TV producer, my stance on slow play on ProGolf has been pretty soft because I don't think at a certain level for a fan, it is that big of a deal. Because in theory, it should give a television broadcast producers more time to show us more stuff and move around and be like, show JB shot on a little bit of to lay like or cut right before he's about to hit it

I don't need to see his minute long pre-shot routine because there's other world-class players a world-class leaderboard out there playing You can cut to them you can cover more about them So in theory it should give you more time to do all these things now the fact that CBS in particular is chosen not to do that Does exacerbate I, highlight this issue to the level that it was outrage yesterday on social media and like people violently rooting against JB Holmes because of it. And for anybody who says that, oh, you guys are in the echo chamber and it's just, you know, you guys don't represent the mainstream fan.

You guys are basically having the back of the enthusiasts or the hardcore fan. I would point you to, like, I think Big Cat had a Instagram post, congratulating JB, and if you look on there, every single reply, or probably nine out of 10 replies or about JB's pace of play, and to me, I don't think the enthusiasts are even replying to...

Tiger sits down. You're not taking that again, you're taking that again. You'll follow me back, cuz. Yeah. No, I'm with you. We try, I think, to gauge the temperature of the room on these things, and I got to say, between the coochered thing and slow play, Twitter,

it was violent. I mean, trying to update people's notifications, people just arguing with each other in the know I got mentions about all this stuff, because they get so fired up and so passionate about it. It's some of that stuff just turns into like snowballing groupthink probably, but on some level,

that's kind of beside the point, right? Like if the groupthink takes over and everybody's like, this is bullshit, I'm not gonna watch this, it's not like you can be the guy holding back water from the game. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, everybody just, everybody relax, hold on, it's not that bad.

And you're not actually bored, don't worry. Like that's not gonna happen. I mean, credits at JB, he's got a big set of balls on him. Yeah. For like, like all of your, yeah, all of your, every single one of your peers, like, absolutely despises the way that you play golf and feels like you're taking advantage of things

and you do it anyway and you do it with a big smile on your face. And I don't think any of us are employing like JB Holmes went four corner offense and caused Justin Thomas to lose his foreshadly. Like I don't think it had a material, material impact. We can't definitively say like it cost JT the tournament and won him the tournament. That's not the point.

It's an overall ethical kind of thing. It's not, there's not much to debate. I mean, JT just did, like, ring out of gas, look like in round four and JB Holmes didn't. I mean, he played incredible golf. That's kind of the sad part, is it overshadows how well he played because it was really tough. Now, I do think there is something to, it's not like, it's pretty automatic in the PGA Tour when it is firm on the greens and when the wind blows and when they play three sums, it's like the death.

Like you can't, it's gonna be a five and a half hour round, almost no matter what you do. And it really is amazing how much three sums versus two sums make a difference. And I'm not gonna advocate, like, we should let less people in Tour events and we'll make it go faster. Well, they've already done that. I think that's what make it go faster. Well, they've already been there.

I think that's what the system's already done there. Well, they are, but it is like, by the way, what we're talking about there is the fields going from what, 145 to 120 next year, it's going to invitationally elevated status. Which, you know what? I think actually,

Poreth had a good take on this. Like, it's, I think that's warranted. It's one of the best tournaments on the entire calendar, short daylight, all that. It's, I'm fine with that. It's a tough time of year and the tour is kind of stacked up against, you know, some really unpredictable weather outweigh, like that's not their fall.

There's nothing really they can, they could have done about any of this and you don't have that much daylight this time of year and whatnot. But it is crazy when you go to PJ Tour event, like when you go to try to follow a group, put their play in three sims, it's like, oh, they're probably on eight now and you got to like, wait, they're on five right now.

I know. And then when Saturday and Sunday rolls around, like, all we'll catch them in the turn and they've blown past the turn. The pace really does change so much when it goes from two to three. I'm, I believe the golf should be played in two sims, but that's a different, that's a different story. So this was from a player who will remain anonymous, who is in the field this week.

Just said, fast players are so screwed. I play fast. I'm always on the slow person schedule. If he's slow, then it obviously makes me wait. And then we get on the clock, and then I have to speed up and it's bullshit, which is pretty straightforward. That's what it is.

Yeah. And when you think about like, Andy Johnson on the shotgun start, and I think he's done this the last couple of weeks as slow players kind of rear to Ted But he had this awesome point. I don't know if it was Andy or poor after both or whatever but about Tom Brady Where it's basically like you think about how good Tom Brady would be if he had unlimited time to throw the ball That's not the that's not the game though the game is not take as long as you want and then be as precise as you can

The game is like dude dude, there are constraints and you have to operate within the constraints. I have a really good analogy and this is bear with me here. So I had a buddy in college who got extra time and on his accounting test because he had like ADHD. Cool, like that's fine, you know. He got an extra, you know, but it was unlimited extra time. So like we would all finish the test and he would be there for another four hours.

Oh my God. And time and tell you you were an accounting major. Like time is a component on those. If you have all day to sit there and figure out the content and the test and everything, then like, of course you're gonna do well. But you know, it's like let's let's all be relative about it. And you know, hey, if it's windy and the greens are crazy and everything like, let's all be relative about it. And, you know, if it's windy and the greens are crazy and everything, cool. Let's, you know, let's be a little bit

more lax. Let's give them a minute instead of, you know, 40 seconds. But on some level, it's, you know, it's the same characters that are slow week after week after week. And the difference in that situation is what in that test situation doesn't affect you necessarily, but slow play can affect your playing partners. And especially like what you said about this anonymous tour player is that he now feels rushed when he shouldn't have to feel rushed because he's holding up in as the end of the bargain is bullshit. That sucks.

And that was, he's still texting. He's fired up about this topic. But he said, I understand people saying that players need to police it, but it would be beyond rude to say something to someone during the round Especially because if I do and they speed up We would no doubt just have to wait again for the group in front of us with it within a couple holes And then I look like a douchebag Which is like very accurate and it's like and that's where it's just like a systemic thing, right?

Like you know, and that's where I do want to be fair is like these guys were, they were brutally slow and the telecast didn't do them any favors. Like didn't make them look any faster. Like they do typically yesterday. It just feels as opposed to they were never that far out of position. I don't think that's what makes it hard is Twitter. The Twitter gets so angry that I read that they were four holes behind and I agree. I read that they were waiting on every shot. Like people lose all perspective on the back nine.

They were no more than I checked on it twice. I think the two times were they were like 16 green. The next group was tapping in on the set. I tried to find them on the map. They used to have a map function on the PJ tour app to see where players are. It was mysteriously not there yesterday. I don't know. But it could be like tying it all back in at the end of the day.

It's it it trickles down to like I think there is a responsibility because. All right, kids, you know, and I hate to be the guy that says, all right, kids watch. I think of the children. Yeah. Like, char carder says, think of the children. But, you know, like, this is part of the reason that you go out to a local community and it takes five and a half hours or six hours to play around a golf. Yeah.

It's because guys see dipshit plumblobing from, you know, from six inches and they, they want to be that too. Are we in the nest? I don't know how plumblobing works. I don't either. But, Randy's a big aim point plumbloving guy. But it all also goes, that makes me feel better about not putting out works. Almost everything we talk about in some way goes back to technology and the fact that like all the T-boxes have to go backwards on all these golf courses, the roughs got to come in tighter, the greens got to be firmer and faster because they got to find a way to protect par, all contribute to the fact that play is slow. Like if you play on this golf course at 500 yes less yards and the ball doesn't go so high and far that it goes out of sight and you can't see it land,

the game just kind of shrinks down and is much more efficient, but that's not the way it is. So golf is going to take longer. You can't stretch this whole game out and then just say, oh, yeah, play it in the same amount of time it would have taken you, you know, 30 years ago. That's true. Doesn't work that way. And meanwhile, the players are fat and happy. Yes.

Sponsors are bright and big ass checks and, you know, don't want to disrupt the system. They got the they got their heads in the sand. I'm sure it'll ask forever. A quick break to point out what I'm sure you are already aware of. Thanks to Phil, Michelson's win at Pebble Beach, but triple track technology is here. And it's in the all-new Calloway ERC soft golf ball. The triple track is a three-line pattern that goes around half the golf ball to improve your alignment on the greens. And Phil liked it so much. He asked to calloway to put that on the chrome soft x golf ball, which he proceeded to shoot 60

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to formally retire from bitching about the telecast. Sally and I will keep carrying the telecast. Yeah, I don't have my fastball in this league anymore. I know what it's time for me to hang it up. Making no such problem. But what I want to say is I think we've been coming at this all wrong. And I'm going to hopefully tie all this together here. We'll see. But I think we've been coming at this all wrong,

complaining about the nitty gritty of the telecast. Like, oh, you didn't show the shot and you didn't do this and this commercial and blah, blah, blah. I think what I want to say before I retire, before I hang it all up, is from an overarching standpoint, something I don't think anybody can disagree with me on is how I feel when I get done watching the telecast. And for the last, I got it's happened more than ever now, but I get done and I'm like numb and bored and I just think to myself, like, why the hell,

like what are you doing? Why did you watch that? Like why did you sit for six hours and watch that? And the weather was good this week. The weather was great. You could have been outside. You could have been like riding your bike or like reading a book or fixing something in the house

or cleaning your car or like- You book or fixing something in the house or cleaning your car or like- Or the walks in the beach. Yeah, just any number of things I could have been doing and instead I'm like sitting inside watching something that just like makes me physically angry to watch. And it's a million reasons it's because I'm not learning anything new, it's because I'm not like, I'm seeing too many commercials and I'm not putting any one thing on any one person. It's just like, dude, I don't,

if that's only how I feel, then that's totally fine and everybody can come at me on Twitter or whatever and say, I totally disagree. The game is in a beautiful spot. I've never liked golf more than I do right now, but I can only speak to how I feel and how I feel right now is like, I'm less of a fan of professional golf than I was six months ago or a year ago or whatever

and so much of that has to do with the telecast. And this week was the best example that I've ever seen. That's the product, right? It's, I mean, you can't ask for a better golf course. I know they were a challenge with scheduling and not repairing and threesomes and all that's the weather that happened but like that leaderboard was about as good as you can realistically ask for and that golf course about the best one. And if you walked away from feeling that way, it's I watched it for 10 hours on the weekend. I don't know anything more about

Riviera than I did. And we love chaos. I love chaos. I love when the weather gets busy. Yeah, but it's like it's just maybe it's a commercial thing and I don't even know I'm not like a I'm not a media analyst. I'm chaos. I love when the weather gets shitty. It's crazy. But it's like, it's just, maybe it's a commercial thing, and I don't even know. I'm not like a, I'm not a media analyst. I'm not a TV producer. I'm not trying to do anybody's job for them or tell them that they did a bad job or whatever. I'm telling that as a golf fan,

I just feel like numb and confused and dull when it's over. And a lot of that, I think, is because there's no flow. Like you never get into it. You never, we just sat here. I probably watched 10 hours, same as this weekend. I probably watched 10 hours of the Torrey Pines coverage. And it took us 30 seconds, 60 seconds, to remember who the fuck won the tournament.

You know what I mean? It took us a good 90 seconds. It's like, it was Justin Rose, like the best player in the world. And I don't even remember because I'm like, I'm like, catatonic by the end of it. And I don't know who's leading part of the time because it's not because they don't tell me it's because I got him care.

I just glaze over and it's trying to sell you something the entire time. Well, what was the one week that this so far this year that's been different than that? Well, exactly. And that's where it's like, dude, I think about Phoenix. I'm like, man, that was super fun to watch. Right. NBC. I think about Hawaii. Man, that was super awesome to watch. NBC. And like, I swear to God, if it wasn't on NBC, like, I'm somehow, after everything I've just said,

the last two minutes, psyched to watch golf this week. And it's only because it's the chaotic Mexico event. It's a best. And it's on NBC. And I'm like, oh, that'll be super fun, actually. But it's like, people think we have Mexico event. It's a best. And it's not NBC and I'm like, oh, that'll be super fun actually. But it's like people think we have this hard on for CBS. We don't. No, it's just,

it's just the yelling that we're left with after watching CBS for. I promise. It's not, I'm sure all the people producing are like, the best at their job or they wouldn't be in their job. But also, I feel like shit when I get them watching it. So like, I don't know how to square those do things amongst this you know massacre that's currently happy

I do want to give a shout out to Peter Kosta, so I think we'd all agree is our favorite Yeah, he called out JB for the routine, which I think is extremely hard for him to do what happened after You know, make your fingerfinch starts getting emboldened and like he's never said a negative word about anyone and that I think is Part of the the CBS stuff that I swear, I don't, I'm not a TV talent. Like, who cares what I think, but watching on TV, I'm like, dude, all you got, like, nobody talks the way that you guys are talking.

You're, sound like you're doing impersonations of like a golf announcer. And that's where it's like, oh shit, like when Kostis actually starts saying something real, then like everybody else... Snaps you out. ...lustens up and everybody can start feeding off. And that's what like Faraday did such a good job of.

It was, okay, Faraday had this vibe of, okay, you know what? Like, let's everybody relax. We don't have to take this quite so seriously. And now that that's gone, there's just like, it's rudderless. Like, there's, it's all just going through, it all sounds like it's scripted beforehand. And everyone is just like a really good actor at saying, it's all just going through, it all sounds like it's scripted beforehand, and everyone is just like a really good actor

at saying, it's like predestination. And that's where, if you watch the early coverage, you know who doesn't feel like that is like Terry Gannon, who's on there and I'm like, man, you look like you're watching golf for the first time and enjoying it and like reflecting what you're seeing, whereas everyone else just seems like you're like, going through the motion.

And then we are like blessed to be able to hear your voice. Yeah. One, two, three, so talk about the speed, the speed eight, because I think that's a really talent. That's where I'm like, okay, so I've just been zapped numb. I'm in the cryo, cryo chamber. Let me, let me, I just want to pause before you do this to point out like, boo, this isn't like stylistic reasons that we say this to point out, like, boo, this isn't like stylistic reasons

that we say this or think this, or like really personal opinion. I don't have a way of saying it other than like, this is a real tangible functional example that you're going to give us of like a way we're being cheated as viewers. It's like, and we may not like piano music over the top of everything or, you know, certain things, but like, we can deal with that stuff.

This is what we can't deal with. Well, so you're sitting and you're watching slow J.B. Holmes for four hours, three hours for some reason. You're sitting inside on a beautiful day watching this. And it would just be awesome to have something to zap you out of that and show something that's a little different than just like, he hit the fairway, he hit the green, he too put it, he hit the fairway, he hit the green, he too put it,

he hit the fairway, he hit the green. He's from the same camera angles, and you're checking the scores on the app or whatever, and you're like, holy shit, Jordan's speech just made an eight on probably one of the five most famous holes on the PJ tour. And you're like, man, I really would love to see what the hell happened there.

He's like one of the biggest names in golf. He hasn't been playing very well. Like what a captivating, interesting thing to see. Gosh, how did he make an eight? Well, I got a funny DM in relation to this. This guy, which is amazing that this could be a thing in this world, but because there's no footage of this. So the guy says, I have full close-up video

of Jordi's snowman on 10 yesterday, and it is awesome. I was standing directly behind and above him in the bleachers first row. Any idea whether there are copyright issues with releasing it, or if I were to sell it, like talking about selling it. It was a lot of selling when I was good,

but he can live the fuck under par and post it if he wants. It was live on sky. Anyway, that was my thing, is because I swear I'm not just looking for,, post it if you want. It was live on sky. Anyway, so that was my thing, is because I swear I'm not just looking for, looking for reasons to be upset, but I'm like, okay, well, I don't know. I mean, he's playing with Rory, and they probably have it on video,

but maybe they don't, I don't know, maybe they missed it, or who knows, and I tweeted something, and everybody's just immediately like, nope, they showed it on sky. Like, we just watched the whole thing. I'm like, what are we doing? Why am I watching this?

And like think about, okay, you're next event. F your CBS, your next event is the Masters. Who's been at the forefront of every Masters of the last five years? Like what an interesting thing for people to chew on? And like, what a lasting like image, for people to chew on and like what a lasting like image for people to take with them into Augusta is like, man Jordan is like really struggling. How interesting.

A CBS is what he does at Augusta. A CBS is in love with their narratives. Here's a fucking narrative. And that's where it's like, I don't know, maybe they just want to show like everyone who's nice and good in class acts and they don't want to show anyone doing anything bad But like the downstream effect of that is like okay, so they're not gonna post it So that means it doesn't go into the feed for like the PJ tour social people or for the scratch social people or whatever

So then that clip doesn't end up anywhere So then golf digest doesn't embed it and post about it somewhere So like there's just all this like snowballing stuff Speed like I'm sure he got he probably declined media or something I didn't see his any quotes from him after the round but like There's just you miss out on so much from not having this stuff in the telecast and it's not like it's I don't think it's that unfair of a fight here to be like dude. I don't think this is good I think this could be a lot better. Did they mention it? Did they mention it at all?

They mentioned it like when he tapped in on 18, or I guess he made like a 15, 20 footer for par on 18. And they're like, oh yeah, he had a bit of struggle, made an eight back there on 10. Because I remember, that's all I needed to know, thanks. Moving on. When Howtong Lee made the ace last year, and they didn't give it the shot of the day,

or mention it because they didn't have video of it, it was like, that's just like propaganda. Like actually, this thing didn't happen and just kind of going with what your, whatever your own thing is. But I think it comes from a place of, instead of covering the golf tournament, they're, they're doing themselves like a service and, and doing their own thing.

Like they have, it's, it comes from a place of arrogance. That's right. I'm like, I don't even, I have no idea where it comes from. And I'm like, that's where I'm retiring from the TV takes. It's like, I don't know why it's no idea where it comes from. And I like, that's where I'm retiring from the TV takes, is like, I don't know why it's happening, I don't care why it's happening, I just know that I'm like, very disillusioned. Yeah.

And it sucks, because I love golf. Well, here we go. Chipotle spec, I see it. Just watch how different this week is. Like, that's all I would say to people. And again, like, if nobody else feels this way, by all means, I'm happy to be the only one, and I'll be like, okay, cool, I guess it's just me.

Maybe I burned myself out, maybe I watched too much golf. People who are the last five years or whatever. We're saying there's plenty of juice here on the ground. Like there's, this is a captivating event. The crowd's electric. We didn't get any of that yesterday. Oh, are we worried about speed?

I mean, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm not, I'm not, I'm not either. Not at all. I'm not worried I'm not either. Not at all. I'm not worried. What are we worried about in particular? Well, he played really well for three days. He did, he did for sure. And like, I guess worried is a,

I guess I'm not worried in the like the macro sense, maybe just the micro sense. I don't even know if that makes any sense. But he hasn't had a top 10 since July. Oh, good. Since the open. Like that, that's not good. He and Kat are slated to miss the FedEx Cup playoff right now.

I know you guys love the golf week sagger in rankings. Mm-hmm. He's dropped to number 38 in the golf week sagger in rankings behind Tyler McCumber for the program, which probably he's only played seven. He's only technically played against seven top 50 players. So that kind of skews those numbers a little bit. But maybe we found a flaw in the Sagger. There might be a slight blind spot in the Sagger. But they projected the Ryder Cup really well for me last year.

I do think yesterday, like the 81 was just a blacked out for six holes or nine holes or whatever. But you could say the same thing about what he did in Augusta. Well, or Pebble last week, he was, I think, one off the lead going in the weekend last week. He was like, what fourth going into the final round, I think yesterday. And I mean, I'm not like worried. Like I don't think he's going to like lose his card, but I mean, it's not good. People are asking, are you still digging up to the masters? Like, yeah, dude, I made a lifetime vow, okay?

I'm gonna uphold that vow that I'm gonna pick up the recipe. We're also, what, I mean, masters is late this year, we're also like eight weeks from the masters. He's got, like, if anything the last few years, I think he's peaked too early. And he's played too much golf early. I'd rather see him play really well, masters, and then lead up to PGA.

Like, I mean, May and June, this year, banana land. And I do think like, when it clicks, like it tends to click in spurts almost, and you see like the really high highs, but what goes away last is kind of those brainfarts on the weekends or, you know, whatever, that's the last thing to go away. He's probably working on stuff right now. I think he's definitely trying.

Is that it? For sure. No, but like I think there's, I think there's going to be, there's going to be chinks in the armor because he's, he's worked like now is the time to work on stuff. He, I don't think he gives a shit about like, I know he, I know he wants to win and everything, but he's not going to, he's not going to lose sleep two years from now because he lost.

No, totally, you know, Genesis. Yeah, yeah. On Sunday, he's going to lose sleep two years from now because he lost, no, totally, you know, Genesis. Yeah, yeah. On Sunday, he's going to lose sleep two years from now because he, because he let a major slip away. And I think he's working on stuff and, and, you know, it's, it's a process. Yeah, it's a process. I'm excited for Tiger Chipotle Peck this week. We haven't, as fun as Chipotle Peck's been, we've never seen the big cat there.

And that's good. That's one of the eight times. So I didn't. Yeah, that's good that's one there eight times Surprise he's playing altitude. Yeah, I don't really get it. I don't either I guess it's guaranteed points and Yes, this means he's probably gonna skip Honda when he's gonna be like home. I would think I don't think hot I mean, he granted he's driving the driving the fuck out of the ball right now like he is Only he's driven the ball this well in 15 years. But I don't think Honda's a great tournament for him. He's played well there. I mean, he said some good... He's kept up well everywhere though.

That's true. He actually like, righted the ship there last year. He's, I think he top 10 there. He was like 12 or something there last year when he hadn't, it was his best finish obviously in the two years. But I think it's like a grind for him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That place will wear you out. God, it's just weird that schedules falling out this year where Phil, Phil skips his hometown event Tiger might skip, like they're going to be there in the stage like the biggest. The players. Oh, no, those comments were amazing. What do we, he kind of walked them back a little bit, which I or two like I kind of, I kind of get, I don't think that that's exactly what he meant.

He didn't mean to like, when he said, like, yeah, I don't know that it's like a must play for me. I don't think he meant, you know, I've guys read my lips. What I'm saying is that this is not a big tournament. But I'm feeling like that. I'm taking it like that. Yeah. And that's how people took it and blew it up and so whatever.

But, I mean, I guess based on his whole thing where he's like, yeah, if they have four inch rough and they have all this, but yada yada yada, like I'm after the rider cup. As you said, I think the rider. I can't just not gonna play those. I'm not gonna play those courses anymore. I think what Tyga falls in line with that. I'm more shocked with Tyga that he's playing just after hosting an event for a week.

That has to be the most exhausting thing in the world. And then on top of that, playing almost 36 holes yesterday and waking up early and all that stuff. I just threw it up. I mean, Kat was there, so I'm gonna go ahead. With TPC though, it's pretty wide. It's not narrow-ass fairways, like it is in France or anything like that.

And there's not that much rough up there. There's a lot of pine straw now. It's not like, I know it's gonna play a little different in March than it has in my mind. It's not like, I know it's gonna play a little different in March than it has in May. And it's pretty gnarly when that Bermuda rough, like when it sits down in that stuff. So did they just oversee the fairways?

I don't know. That's how to my depth. That's the other thing. Talking to people, I'm like, just let the place play dormant. Like do dormant Bermuda. It's, we're here in Jax. It's like the best time of the year to play

golf. Yeah. It's it's kind of firm. It's kind of fast. The wind is up. It's not too hot yet. And the PGA toward dumped like eight times the amount of overseas on the fairways just so it looks green. It's gonna be mega green. Which I guess apparently is really important for TV for some reason. That's a very important question. Okay. Is it time to worry about JT not being able to close? Sure. Let's do that. Very much. If Randy was on this podcast right now, he would be taking the screws to you.

Well, I looked up that stat, by the way. So JT had a four-shot lead yesterday, walked away without the trophy. He's still six for nine with the 54-hole lead, which can I trust that with Ricky's one for nine. It's slightly different. That seems like a similar sample size. That seems like a very similar sample size. He's playing really good, insanely good. Do you see Porter's stat or something on his stroke's game to praise? Like going to like maybe set a record in stroke's game or not a record, but best basically since Tiger so far this season on Stroke's Game of Perth.

So I know we're on the No-Lang in a podcast, with his layup yesterday on 17 to a number. What did he do? He laid up to a number that was far enough back to where he knew he wasn't gonna rip it back with a wedge, but he was also close enough to where he was, like he knew he was good at that number, and he played to that number, and he hit a good shot. He was just slightly above the pen,

missed the pot, but I don't know. I don't know how to hit an 18 was better than he got credit for it, too. Absolutely. I think so. I've been highly critical of JT, and I think he's displayed. Just watching in this year, I think he looks a lot more mature, just post-round and during play Then he has the last couple years. I thought his comments after yesterday I know you wanted to you wanted him to torch JB for the slow play, but His stuff about like JB pulling them under the ropes when he was a kid and like oh, that's I thought that was pretty cool Yeah, I mean he's not gonna flame a fellow Kentucky in. So he's basically hitting it better than anybody

on tour right now. And his stroke scheme putting in those first three rounds, he was first, fifth and tenth in the first three rounds. And then he lost three shots on the back nine. Yeah, what was he putting on the last round? Like, 50th or something. So not even that bad, just. It was, well, 50th out of 70 that made the cut ever.

So, but he lost, it was like 3.2 shots on the back nine just with his putting it's like when the conditions got brutally tough and and blah blah that's basically like comparing him to you know the people who played earlier in the day and all that stuff I've butchered the stat earlier but so only five golfers is a from cardboard only five golfers are currently gaining at least one stroke per round on the field on approach. That's the season. JT is nearly at two, the highest number in the shot link. Eras, Tiger at 2.1 in 2006. And Adam Scott was second that year at 1.1.

Like he's just like, it's so hard to strike this. Oh, six, Lidtham went cat. Yeah, couldn't even hit a boy like, or high boy like, yeah, that was. I mean, the only other player I kind of wanted to talk about besides see who came back to back top five, rounding into player season. The big woo woo. The big woo woo is Rory. Rory has finished in the top five in his last three starts, which you could, I guess like you probably could have convinced me that that wasn't true because I just not know that it was true. He hasn't

like he hasn't been a threat to, it doesn't seem like. I know he's technically up there, but I haven't watched the ton of golf this season. I haven't ever felt like, oh, Rory's definitely gonna win this and just he keeps finishing in the top five. So take from that what you will, I guess. Well, that's what people can kind of almost treat. Present company in this room,

not excluded from this can treat like backdoor, top finishes is a bad thing But I always go back to like and I feel like I'm way over explaining or dumbing it down too much Be like it's a four-round golf tournament and he beat like a hundred and fifty guys or whatever Hundred and rankings. I love that. Yeah, they will love that and it's like it just because a guy isn't close to winning Or you know feels like he's winning or maybe it also probably has a lot to do with television presentation as well. It doesn't mean anything necessarily.

It's like if they're beating other top players at golf, that's really, really important and a good sign. So it seems like he fizzles. Am I wrong? No, it does seem that way. And I think maybe we're being unfair to him because his ceiling is so damn high. Well, that's, I think, the frustrating part is we we've seen we've seen him like break through that ceiling before

So we know what it looks like and we keep waiting for that to happen I was thinking about it today I was like running back through my head on like all these all these times that were where you thought it was gonna happen and when that kind of went away And I go back to almost like Chambers Bay where he made that long eagle putt I forget what hole was like eight, or something like that. And that was, I remember feeling the highest of highs where I'm like, oh, here he comes.

He's gonna do it. And then he just, like he just doesn't. I've had that feeling like nine times since then. But you're in my question. Is Rory a Thriller, not a pitcher? No, is Rory Icarito. Rory might, he keeps self-Icaritoing. That's a great question.

I think he already touched the sun though. He made it all the way to the sun. He's had seven top five since he won last year at Bay Hill. And I definitely can't remember seven times where I was like, do Roy might win right now. And it was weird how he won at Bay Hill. He just like cut it his ass off and made everything he looked at,

which was kinda like, all right, this is sweet to have him back, but I don't think this is the most sustainable way for Rory to win tournaments. Even yesterday, it's like, okay, conditions are getting rough. You think some guys are gonna get exposed. Rory holds that bunker shot in 16. You're like, okay, here he comes.

And then he's in the fairway in 17. And I go, my gosh, he's gonna make Eagle. And he makes par from the fairway on the downhand. It's like the only hole playing downwind. And it makes Bogey from the 18th fairway. And I'm like, I think part of it going. Five again. Going back to the back door top 10 thing is a guy like Kutcher, you know, he'll do a back door top

10, but he'll get, you know, T8, whereas Rory, like he's, he's coming, you know, you know that the firepower is there to, you know, to close a deal and chase people down and like just hunt. And when it doesn't happen, you feel, do you feel a tinge of disappointment? Maybe whether that's fair or not. Maybe it goes to this here. I think that's a good transition there

to another topic we need to find out. We need to, this will be done. This topic will be done and dealt with once we get through this one. But a lot has happened in the last week on the developing Matt Kutcher L2CAN story, which I'm ready to be over. Many people took to social media too. You're too expressed their videos out of this.

God, people are still so incredibly fired up with this. It all started with, I guess the latest development, since we last discussed on this podcast, was Michael Bamberger doing some investigative journalism, getting some quotes actually from L2Kan and that he, a whole arrangement that was made, it was gonna be, you know, 3000 if you missed the cut or blah, blah, blah, basically implied

that Koocher was gonna pay him $4,000 if he got in the top 10. And then inherently, I guess Koocher, in his mind gave him a thousand dollar bonus. Well, then it was like a bonus to, like, if we win, it's like a mystery bonus, basically. Yeah, so like, he kind of thought more money was maybe coming. He got paid five thousand dollars in cash, and kind of thought more money was coming, and this whole stink horizon, social media, Kucher's agency reaches out

and offers him an additional 15K, which he turned down. Which I thought was kind of a weird decision at the time, but I think it was a good idea. uh, uh, Kutcher's agency reaches out and offers some initial 15k, which he turned down, which was sick. Was that what I thought was, which I thought was kind of a weird decision at the time, but no, he held his little feet. Call the fire. Uh, and then Kutcher came out and just, just honestly jaw dropping comment. I couldn't believe this.

Kutcher kind of acreed it. I couldn't believe this wasn't a bigger deal. Wasn't made of the, I'm saying for a guy who makes $200 a day, $5,000 a $5,000 a week is a really big week. It was kinda like, dude. What, like, even at Mark's time for school PR. I guess, man, if you're, how you could think that quote is okay to say, and there is kind of,

I don't wanna take it too far, but like the racial undertones of that comment, like if that happened at Riviera, this week, 100% would you say that? Like, exactly. And it, and, ah, God, it was like, I couldn't believe this actually happened. I kind of said someone Twitter,

and just like if, but this is why players should have, like social media and be engaged and manage their own accounts, like one look around the room would have been like, oh my god, I need to sort this out. And I get that Twitter is bad look at society as well. And it's, you know, this echo chamber

and it's, you know, everything becomes this huge deal. But for a guy who's like, you're golf, like your reputation is everything. It could have been so easily solved. You could have been like, dude, I messed this up. Like, I made a mistake. And he finally got there. Kudos for him for finally getting there,

but I definitely don't want to get into this credit. That was super inspiring how he did the right thing after he was publicly humiliated. And just probably behind doors completely threatened by people important. I'm sure, but he did finally say the right things. He's like, you know what, I thought a deal was a deal. And-

But even men, even in the statement, or even he said, I know, I thought a deal was a deal, but evidently a deal was wasn't a deal. I'm like, what are you saying here, dude? Like, you know, and then, and then like no players until today, a couple of his mafia osos came out and supported him. No players came out in support of them. I thought that was telling.

Yeah. So yeah, I'm ready for the story to go away. I'm glad the guy got his money. And I know that a lot of varying opinions on this on how much he should get paid. And, you know, we were never advocating for him to get the full 10% like a normal tour win, but thought, like, give the guy a bonus

for how you could change his life. Especially after you'd tap him up in the poster. I'm like, you know, it'd be one thing if he was truly detrimental and he cost a few shots. It's another thing when like, you know, it'd be one thing if he was truly detrimental and he lost to you. It's another thing when like, you're, you're saying, you're playing into it, you're saying. You're taking pictures with him and calling your good luck charm.

It was my good luck charm this week. Well, you know what I mean? Like that's a really, really bad look. By the way, El Tucan, David Ortiz, how does he not go by big pop? He might be big, he might be big poppy now. When the check layers, he's a big pop. I mean, do we think it's a coincidence that he suddenly came to his senses three days

before he goes down to Mexico City for the W. What? I'm very, very, very curious to know how involved the PGA tour got into it because the statement came from PGA tour communications. Jay Monahan released a statement. Like I have a feeling that it was everything but the blue curtain. Exactly. He may be the hardest head guy in the entire room and I think Steinberg's right there behind

him and I think they're probably a match. Well, it was almost like when he gave the initial interview about it, it was almost like he didn't even agree with his own agency on it. And like he was kind of embarrassed. The article said that he was in, oh, it seemed almost embarrassed that Steinberg had reached out and offered additional money because like he didn't believe in that. And he had his foot down. And yeah, yeah. Bamberger basically just like let him hang himself, which was, yeah.

Bamberger is a pro move. I'm sure we say this, not as much as we should, but more often than not, Bamberger is a national treasure. The more we can have him involved, than not. Bamberg is a national treasure. Yeah. The more we can have him involved, the better. Oh, gosh, the emails. This is just like something that should have never happened. But emails were sweet, dude. But like, I'm fine getting him out of his office.

It was fair. Yeah. It's like handing waste off. Like getting him exposed, it's what we wanted out of this. And getting to Can't Paid is what we would have wanted out of this. Our guy Dan Horner in the comments had a good one. Has anybody, has anybody ever lost more by winning than Kutcher and J.B. Holmes? Basically. Kutcher owes J.B. Holmes a fruit basket though for getting the little pressure off of him after, um, and Sergio. Yeah. Which Sergio went on a big

apology tour, went on and said, this is not who I truly am. And the whole porth did, I think, a tweet on it where he had, he had an Instagram story, Sergio did. He was posing with the troops, and he was posing with the kids. And those were like, the two, all right, check that box, I checked that box. Which people like, I don't know, it'll go away.

People will forget about it and, I don't know, kind of the recency bias that comes with, I don't know, it'll go away. People will forget about it and I don't know. Kind of have the recency bias that comes with, I don't know if recency bias is right, what to say that. But can we talk about price? Sure. That was worse than... That was a roller coaster. Well, the, like, the whole bunker damaging thing.

Well, we can't mention the bunker thing without the big fishing rod thing as well. That was truly the duality of man, basically. It was on full display over those four or five holes, whatever that was. Did you see any of this? I was not. No, I was gone. I was poop partying. I think he chipped in like two or three times. I forget if that was the first round and a second round, but he chipped in and he's doing all these theatrics and he does his big like he's boating a Marlin like really good in because I don't

know if he sucked it back. It went the whole whole it's like he was hanging out with Daniel burger on his TV straight five and vote I think the gif was sped up just a little bit everyone's gonna yell me for saying gif instead of gif get over it I think it was sped up a little bit so made it look even more ridiculous and like he had an even bigger fish on the line it's oh I'll show it to you it's like the one where the guy has the dollar yeah exactly it was that and then juxtapose that with he had a shitty It's oh, I'll show it to you. It was like the one where the guy has the dollar. I mean, yeah, exactly. It was that. And then juxtaposed that with, he had a shitty bunker shot

and just turned around and took like a dollar sized chunk out of the lip of the bunker. At the rib. At rib. Like the nicest bunker edges on the PGA tour. Then, somebody in the superintendent community said, like, hey, you know what, rib's bunker edges probably could use a little bit of that work.

Sure, they may have been edge into a Bolivia in the years. They didn't know as you still like that. But so he went on golf's crack PR squad, this crack, the agents of shield, jumped into force again. And it was like, he posted something about, like, love Riviera. Want to give a special shout out to the grounds crew out there for keeping that place dry.

It's like, dude, we saw it, dude, come on, man. We saw that, we're not idiot. It's crazy. So, Sal, I do wanna talk about it for a second. You were watching, you were sending us video clips from the SLS Miami. Correct. Cool, yes, for that. Correct. Yes, right.

This is just, this takes us through that. This, if you couldn't tell, this was not by choice. A good friend of mine was getting married in South Beach and there was Sunday brunch. Was it Will Smith? The Sunday brunch that is traditional after a wedding was actually just a pool party with blaring music and just kind of a different realm of humanity that I used to think about. There were some smoke machines.

Oh my God, there was every, so much extravagance. I guess it, we found out what it cost. If you order like the bottle of champagne and like that comes out with the big whole champagne shower, so what they do is they come out with big smoke machines and then pour champagne over everyone in the pool and just spray it everywhere.

And we found that cost was $40,000. So it sounds like the first he had got a golf six. How do you put a price on memories then? We only got two of them. So, well, when I was talking earlier about like, the broadcast isn't exciting enough, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about. That's what I would like to see.

That would keep me to did all day. Which I did post on some of my Instagram to it. I'm so proud of how many people reached out That would keep me to did all day. Which I did post on my Instagram to it. I'm so proud of how many people reached out and said shout out to the FAS. I think they were going on out there. But there was a flashback to the old Europe days where I would try to be somewhere ever mode and be watching golf on my phone streaming it,

trying to keep up with social media. So somewhere very, very foreign. Correct. Which also shout out to the FAS. Sweden's flooded again this past weekend. The TVA. It's just, you foreign. Correct. Which also, shout out to the FAS. Sweden's flooded again this past weekend. The TVA. It's just, you know, they. Waterfeatures everywhere.

Yeah, and a bunch of people reached out. I guess to Rob and we're like, yeah, shout out to the FAS. So to catch Sally up, basically, we had tweeted something last night from the main account that was kind of like, send in your best high-coups to sum up the week. So I think maybe we should go through a couple of our favorites here in no particular order. This was from LL Cool James. Great name.

JB, and of course anyone who's not familiar with the high coups, five syllables, seven syllables, five syllables. JB reads the put, believes change color once again, Practice stroke number one. I thought that was pretty good. From Brian Phillips, from Espeonation, more practice swings than this hub swing vision cam frames, homes, fuel busters. This was from Laz vs Salis, friend of the program, friend of the refuge. Is it Laz vs Si? Oh, maybe, I don't know. Is it, is it Las Versailles? Oh, maybe, I don't know. I thought it felt differently.

I don't know, whatever. Las, I'm sorry. This I think is in reference to the gentleman who screamed Icarito on the ATFT yesterday. Cry Icarito from the Eucalypti Trees, a legend was born. So it's all I just catching you up on that one. Danny LaHon, Kutur and JB, a member guest teams nightmare. Stiff your pay.

Slow play. And we'll wrap with this one. I think this was probably our favorite. This is from Steve Arrowwood. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay, go. I thought that was pretty good too. Oh, man, yeah, so it sounds like I missed a lot this weekend, regrettably. Yeah, it was a good one.

We're excited to be back. We were obviously out in California last week filming season three of Taurus sauce. I'd love to say you'll see that soon, but those things take a lot of time to edit. So in coming months, you'll see it. Yeah, coming months, for sure. It'll be around. So we missed what happened at Pebble last week and all that. But excited to work, start working through some of that.

We're going to do a podcast about that whole trip. And we took an RV from LA to San Francisco. We left a couple men behind. We did. We did leave a couple of men behind. We took care of getting the RV home safe. But shout out to Uncle Tron for all the playing. They went into that one.

That was a blast of a trip. We got hit with a little different weather than we thought we were going to get. Conditions were tough. Conditions were actually really tough. The beach boys were full of shit. Which dance yesterday? He said, conditions were tough. Yeah.

He was going to shout out to the golf channel impersonator guy. Yeah. This was are tough. Yeah, it's a really tough shot out to the golf channel impersonator guy. Yeah. This was really tough. They also played Imagine Dragons on the on the broadcast yesterday, which I'm starting to think maybe there's a tie in between them and Faldon. Pardon, shall they? You might have a special partnership with those guys. More to come on that story is a developer.

And Job was pretty fired up about them zooming in on the vineyard vines. The vineyard vines thing. Now that N them zooming in on the vineyard vines thing. Now that Nance has a deal with vineyard vines. Well, they even have to get all this. We'll get back to you. Showing up last year, like, the war gym, Nance war drove provided by vineyard vines is like, this is so perfect for golf. Like, this is the perfect partnership. This is it. So looking forward to this week, Mexico, we've mentioned a few reasons why we're excited. Why are we so excited this week? One, number one for me, Phil speaking in Spanish to the fans again. That was, yes, that was among the highlights of the last year.

A lot of people are begging for the coverage gap show to come back, which now there's not a coverage gap in the next several weeks. So it's just such an entertaining tournament. It's so different. Like the course is really, really short. And then you add in the elevation change and it's even more short. I think it's the equivalent of 6200 yards.

Yeah, it's awesome. It's just chaos. I think that's the whole, you know, anything you ever read about golf course design or golf course, whatever is like variety is number one. And I think that extends to the different tournaments you see throughout the year, right? Like, like this is so unlike anything else that we're gonna see.

Is it a good golf course? Probably not. Probably not, but like it's fun for one week to see like an over like overgrown trees where it's like, dude, if you missed the fairway, who knows what you're gonna have in there? The ball doesn't spin at all. Yeah, it's, I love this event.

The bunkers are like above some of the greeners. Like they're not dug out at all. It is like the dream of, if I could watch pro players play, of course, it looks like my municourse, what would it look like in this week is that tournament. And the field's great. And the telecast is great. The fans are great.

And I'm not sure if this, the fans are just that rabbit and boisterous and everything relative to other events, but whatever NBC does to show it. They're suggesting they're on the take or something? No events, but whatever NBC does to show it. They're suggesting they're on the take or something? No, whatever NBC does to show it like that. Right, exact. They certainly bring that totally. So, you know, whatever that is,

like that acts as a viewing. It might be the setup too, or like the fans feel like they're right on top of the action. Yeah. Especially like that was at the 17th, that part three, remember they had this game. 16th and 7th playoff ended there last year, I think. And playoff ended there last year I think and yeah, it's just I don't know It's just wild

Of all the tournaments on the schedule This is the one I most want to go to. Well, I think we talked about this a while ago And it's like if you think back at 2018 golf season like non majors What really sticks out to you what events spring to mind immediately that you remember and Mexico is like we were having this exact exercise and that was the first what events spring to mind immediately that you remember. And Mexico is like, we were having this exact exercise and that was the first one that came to mind. I'm like, yeah, that turned me this. I would even say if you're going to go back two years, Mexico this year, last year and 2017 was unbelievable. That was the year where Phil was hidden out of

everywhere, you know, God knows where. Yeah. It feels playing well. Yeah. It's gonna be infinitely more exciting than if it was going to Jorral. Total, like without a well. It's like, yeah, it's gonna be... infinitely more exciting than if it was going to Daryl. Totally, without a doubt. It would feel like such in every other stop on tour. And for once, one thing we've always clamored for is we need WGC's to move to other countries. And we have that. And we have just the fan excitement experience

that you're talking about. It just feels like a different event. And that's what we've clamored for for a long time. So we're excited about that. Very. We'll be kinder next week. No, I told you it was a compliment. Well, yeah.

All right. One thing about WGC's Sean Martin tweeted something earlier, and it was basically scoring average in WGC's, and it was all the usual suspects. And then Daniel Berger was number four, number five, of like all time. And I know it's a smaller sample size, but it's also, he's also one de FedEx Memphis event twice

before it was even a WGC. Whoa. It's Daniel Berger, like the WGC master. It remains to be seen. Is he qualified for the Memphis one? Keep an eye on it. What is he doing? Is he playing?

I don't know. No, I didn't. Is he vibing? All right, I didn't. Is he vibing? I have no doubt he's vibing somewhere. He played Wasteman, Mr. Cut and played Farmer's Mr. Cut. That's for some hearing of this. But I feel like we haven't heard from Daniel Burger in a long time.

Finish T12, the Desert Classic, T35 at the Dell Technologies year before. He's one of those when you talk about too many good players. He's one of those guys that will pop up and win and everyone be like, dude, he's going to win. He's going to win 20 times on tour. Like, well, maybe, but yeah, there's's one of those guys that'll pop up and win and everyone be like, dude, he's gonna win, he's gonna win 20 times on tour, like, what, maybe, but yeah, there's a lot of these guys out here. There's like tomorrow if he picked off a major.

Yeah, we know, it's probably, yeah, you know, this guy's been trending for a while. I know, for sure, yeah. I'm gonna if he never heard from again, he'd be like, you know what, like that guy was a flat-footed plan. Yeah. Yeah.

He hasn't had, he had, he finished T6, the US Open last year, again, first I'm hearing this. So all right, let's wrap it at that. We look forward to a fun week down in Mexico and we'll hopefully be back. Hopefully soon to our California recap podcast and whatnot. I might go into hibernation webs off for the next four weeks. That hurts. It's been a fun track web scores for the last several weeks. But yeah, get child to Mabbing Neely on the runner up there and anything else before we close it?

That's it. Cool. We'll wrap it up that, cheers. Crack on. I'm getting right club, I'm being a right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different.