No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 195: WGC-Mexico Wrap

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

Dustin Johnson ran away with the WGC-Mexico Championship, and we discuss what a realistic career win total looks like for DJ, Rory’s runner-up finish, Spieth’s putting, Tiger’s week, Bryson’s antics, NBC, Chapultepec, the backstopping incident on... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 195: WGC-Mexico Wrap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Lang Up Podcast wrapping up from WGC Mexico, Chipoltapec Gentlemen, what are your biggest takeaways from the week? Shout out to my hitters at Group O Salinas.

They put on another great event. That might be the way to do it. Not put your name on the event and then just hammer home every single commercial break with your commercials. The group host Alinas. It should be the Mexican open. I agree.

I think it was just call it the Mexican open. I think club pro guys got rights on all that. So that might be, that might be why. But, uh, up suggesting humor for Mexican open champion. Is that right? Friend of the pod. More coming on that front. Yeah.

DJ Ranaway and Hid, we're going to break down a lot from this event, starting with DJ. We're going to talk Rory. We're going to talk Tiger and talk about golf course, coverage, speed, Bryson, a lot of things first. And we've got listener voicemail. We do. We have time ever.

Hope it all works. We hope it's all works. We got a big electronic thing going on over here. We're kind of in a lever line on DJ to DJ over here tonight. I hope it all goes to plan. But there's not, I don't think there's a ton to cover with DJ in that. I know I've made it clear how much I hate the who's A game is best. I think we can put it to bed.

I think it's got to be DJ, right? All right. Here we go. Say it. He's a great player of all time. Yeah. Parry point blank. Yes. I mean, he's he's won what 13 13 years in a row, 13 seasons in a row. So I have a little stack. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm here too, by the way.

I think if we accept the take that he's the greatest player of all time, we have to also accept the take that he's the biggest underachiever of all time. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. A hundred percent. Tryna and I are shaking hands. We're straight there, man.

Okay. All right. Can you explain the greatest player of all time take for anyone who's never heard it? Yeah. It's because it's not as straightforward as it sounds. Well, no, it's not. It's not very convoluted either. He is for maybe it's a one-hole stretch, maybe it's a three-hole stretch, but he is the greatest

player to ever play the game. Over that period. Over that period of time. Yeah. I'm not talking about a 72-hole tournament. I'm not talking about over a career. I'm just talking about, like, he's the greatest player to ever pick up a golf club. Yeah.

His ceiling is higher than anybody's ever even fastened. I used to think you were like the create, like just like messing with everyone. The more I watch, I'm like, okay, now I kind of understand what he's saying. Like, he didn't even put well this. He's not achieved the most, not even close, not were like the create, like just like messing with everyone. The more I watch, I'm like, okay, now I kind of understand what he's saying. Like, he didn't even pot well this year. He's not achieved the most, not even close, not even like remotely close,

but no one's ever had held more physical capabilities in golf. Did he really not pot well? Yeah, and I felt like every time I, I might have to fact check it out. He was making a pot. He lived the field in potting this week. Yeah, he was number one in Strixgate, but, what's this guy?

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Then he probably won a little bit of Pebble. You want a tenth of Pebble? Yeah, so he's got like two point, I don't know, two point three, two point four majors, depending how you slice it. So he maybe got a maybe like today was so disappointing because Rory is probably the biggest big game hunter there is. It's like he maybe used to be. Yeah, and he just, you know, he's in another big spot. I'm the biggest Rory, staunchest Roy defender there is.

And he didn't do anything today. I mean, except for trying to get a really, really cavalier drop. He shot, he bogeyed the last hole to shoot 31 on the back. I wouldn't, I definitely would not say he didn't do anything today. But he was what? One under, 200 for the day? Four under on the day. Oh, okay.

Listen, T.C. regrets the error. T.C. might have come the most prepared. Delta, Delta lost T.C.'s notebook, how the flight over. Listen to this stretch from November 3rd, 2015 to August 2017. Here's the only events that DJ won. This is not a select amount of events at DJ one. His wins were the WGC HSBC, the WGC Cadillac, the US Open, the WGC Bridgestone, the BMW Championship Playoff event, the the Genesis at Riv WGC Mexico WGC Dell match play and then the Northern Trust a playoff event the only non-playoff or WGC or major event that he won was the Genesis are you saying that he has a

hard time waiting fulfilled event you used to be the take that's a huge knock on solid that's it that's yeah so people might fight you that way if that's what you're saying. Well, this was thrown out today. You have a very strong claim on this one, but over under 30 and a half career wins for DJ. It's, what right now? Is it 20?

This is a PGA tour. We're not counting you. It's so hard. So it's 32, 34, 34 years old. I think that's an easy over. Over. I want to say over as well, but you, Kai, you read so many things about and maybe Phil is the the mega outlier here But you read so many things about how sharply putting drops off one of those guys getting to like their late 30s early 40s and

I don't know. It's really hard. It's it's one of those things that you at now, and you're like, yeah, if this trend continues forever, like, God, he might pass Phil. And I don't know, he would be a freak if he keeps up this pace for another 10 years, right? I mean, it's, so I don't know. Let's say he knocks off another two this year. I was gonna say, it seems like a new one 10 in the next three years. He has no injuries that we know about.

Yeah. He's pretty, I mean, other than, other than the Jets. He's keeping we know about. Yeah. He's pretty, I mean, other than, other than, like, off course injuries. Yeah. He's pretty healthy. I see no problem with him basically knocking off two or three a year for the next five years. Yeah, too low of an overrunner.

Should it be like 34 and a half? Cause he's won 11 times since the beginning of 2015. Wow, and 11 more wins sounds like a ton, but he's won 11 times in the last four calendar year. He's in the middle of his peak right now. 34. I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's a 40 and a half over under. Wow.

Well, then he's coming at your boy Phil. Yeah, well, he should. And I was going to say when you're rattling off his wins during that period, we're so like it just doesn't even sound impressive in a post-tied world. That's so wild. I guess I can't care. Kyle Porter's tweeted statistic today through 246 career starts victories. Dustin Johnson, 20 filmmakers in 19. It's very well. That's wild. How many victories does this row? We have 12. I think I want to say 12. That's well, man. How many victories does Rory have?

12, I think? I want to say 12, that was the number in my head. Four majors. T.J. Tourbic. Yeah, yeah. So going back to the Rory take from earlier too, Rory was, he was one over on the day through 10 holes. Well, once he was in that, and then that was at that point, I flipped it over to the Puerto Rico

open. Which we're going to get to. I'd like the folks to know that. Well, once Rory was pronounced dead, hitting that ball in the water on that part five then he played really well after that when it kind of didn't. Which is, it's like Rory's the ultimate. It's like too little too late. So so picture this these are Dustin's numbers for the week. Picture trying to beat Dustin Johnson when he leads the field in Stroke's game putting he is second in Stroke's game approach, and he's seventh in Strokes Game to off the tee.

He was second in Strokes Game to tee to green in first in Pudding. Like you can't, you're not doing it. How are you going to beat him? It's disgusting. And that's why he won by five. Yeah. Do we have somebody calling in with a question about Rory? I think we do.

Do you remember that? We want to get to questions. Sure. All right. If we're going to talk about Rory, I think we should talk about this question. All right.. Sure. I like it. If we're going to talk about where I think we should get. All right. Well, this is our first listener voicemail here. It's Jeff from Massachusetts.

I think the question I have is when are people going to realize that Rory may be dead considering how I don't care about the top five finishes. He keeps getting just vaporized in these final groups. And quite frankly, there are so many good players at the top of the world. How am I supposed to believe that he's going to have everything clicking? Could he win more major sure, but I wouldn't be shocked at the end with where he's at right now. He's going to have deep it is. So, yeah, one of people are going to finally admit that he's dead. That's a strong verbiage there for the first caller, which we definitely encourage in these

voicemails. It's like Bruce Willis from the sixth sense. When are people going, so I guess Randy, maybe we'll throw a T-Winter, people are going to realize that Rory may be dead. If he doesn't win a major this year, I think we can call it, pronounce it. Really? Why? Because he might be dead. So Rory's numbers this week, Stroke's game to off the T Third. Listen, I know you're going to tell me a lot of good strokes gained approach. 13th.

I asked for a stroke's gain around the green 9th, Stroke's gain putting 16th. So it's fine. So Rory's because on paper, he probably should have been. He'd be the entire field except for Rory by 10 shots. Yeah. And then Rory beat the entire field, except for DJ by five shots. So like if DJ doesn't play this event or has like a middle of the road week,

we're sitting here wondering like celebrating the return of the whole person. So like he delivered a performance worthy of winning. The problem with that is a lazy, no well that's like if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. It doesn't, you can't, it's the butterfly effect stuff. Like you can't just remove one guy and be like, oh, Roy would have played the exact same way. I agree with

you. I've heard you argue like, yeah, you know, if cat wasn't around, like, Phil would have been like the greatest ever. Well, that's because you can't have it. But what is man? That's fun. Okay. Well, when talking about a pro long like 20 year stretch, I think it's a little different than like one week So that's that's fair and they both they both thrive on very very similar courses Rory industrial Rory industrial. Yeah, I think that's fair I think It was like very delivered a performance good enough to win a golf tournament this week totally that out except for he Had one guy to be and he didn't chase him down right

right I would say that something didn't my biggest my biggest criticism would be the front nine on Sunday that was rough he didn't step up to the point and that's where it got it's so hard to make this take without sounding so local sports talk radio but like that's what it is it's like man when when the lights are brightest he just didn't he's didn't show he just didn't want it enough He just did not know man. He just like the sixth hole was really strange. That was really bad Yeah, really bad. So a lot of I don't want to do too much rules stuff on this podcast today We're gonna do plenty of backstopping stuff. Thank God DJ got a quote unquote questionable drop He took a pretty wide stance to get his foot on the path to get a drop from behind a tree

Listen, that's conjecture. It was a rory. He misses a fairway to the left, gets behind a tree and claims that he's going to be playing further to the left. And he takes a stance and his foot would be barely on the path if he was going to play to the left. And if he took that stance, he wouldn't have been able to make a backswing and get to the golf ball. Like it was... It was, yeah, it was like he was gonna play the left. And if he took that stance, he wouldn't have been able to make a backswing and get to the golf ball.

I think it was, yeah. It was like, he was clearly wiggling to his body open to be able to get that stance. And the rules of officials stood up to him and was like, no, like, come on, are you kidding me? And as soon as he doesn't get the ruling, he turns around, he hits it left handed back into the fairway.

It was reportedly a rules official not known for giving those types of draws. Yeah, great. So, Aasinger was riding hard for that on the broadcast, saying like he really, he should have asked for a second opinion, he should have asked for a second opinion. And I don't know, maybe Rory. So, the first time a rules official stood up to a PGA tour player in the last year. That was sweet.

And shout out to the European tour rules official. He was a four WG season. Shout out to NBC for just letting all of that kind of breathe. That was fascinating. They even got a close to that conversation. Camera angle of the ball. Yeah. Kind of what they were talking about where they're whether the club would hit the tree and all that. Was it my man, John Paramore?

It was not. No, no, no. John Paramore would have de-cured him. So he turns around, hits it left hand. It doesn't make it out to the fairway. It tries to hit on the green anyways, hits the water and makes bogey. And that was the tournament. Which was another good NBC thing where they're, I don't know if it was bones or azinger or both, that were kind of both like, okay, one thing,

do not hit it in the water. Hit it long, take a big number out of play, you cannot make bogey here, don't hit it in the water. And then he, yeah, it looked, I don't know, it's hard to tell from the telecast, but it looked like it wasn't even close. No, it really wasn't close. It was, I don't know, things were probably moving

a bit quickly, him at that point. He ended up actually making Bogey, he dropped it and then got up and down from the drop area. But Dustin has a, you know, tap and birdie. Yeah, it was like, he was kind of pressing, I think, at that point. Yeah, already, it's like, all right, if I lose strokes on this whole then it's probably over and it was. But, so interestingly enough, so Roy's finished this year, T4, T5, T4, and now solo second. First on the PGA tour in Stroke Skate on the season.

Roy has been the best golfer on the PGA tour so far this year, statistically. Which I guess, so my question about Roy is, why does Roy, why is Roy so good at turning it on? Almost like after it's too late, right? In the keys, he's got a propensity for turning it on and making a boatload of birdies. I mean, he made what six birdies on the back nine today.

He's got 31 with a bogey on 18. And he never seems to do that in round two or round three. Yeah, he didn't round one. He's got 63 and round one. But yeah, he kind of just fizzled for a really long time there. I guess in that middle stretch, where he thought he might launch himself forward. And maybe it's just sample size. Yeah. I guess we're just, this is just a weird, well, like trend for him, but it just seems like there's, there's way too many instances. And I mean, I can think back to like two or three at Augusta alone, where he's just,

he's charging a couple of different years at Augusta. Yeah. And he's, he's, I can think back to like two or three at Augusta alone where he's just he's charging a couple different years at Augusta Yeah, and he's I forgot he played the final group with Patrick Greed. So they said that yeah I forgot he was in the picture It's because he's deceased Well, he might be deceased. I thought about this some in it And you know, I was like man He's just not hitting it close enough to the hole and then I went into set tracker and he led the field in proximity this week. So it's definitely not that.

But I think the frustrating feeling comes from that he gets it so close to the whole. He's in such a great position off the T. He's, I would say the best driver the golf ball in the world. He gets in such great position that he doesn't hit it close enough for where he's hitting from. He's still hitting it like way closer than the field does or way closer than because he's so far up to fair. But he's so far up and he's hitting from. He's still hitting it way closer than the field does or way closer than- Because he's so far up to fairway.

But he's so far up and he's hitting, quote unquote, average shots from that distance. Does, do the strokes gain, like approaching the green, is that taken to account? You can't gain as many strokes approaching the green if you're super far down the fairway. Like you just, like cat this week sacrificed a bunch of pooties.

But you can lose them though too, right? I can lose them. So it just kind of has very average approach numbers. But basically what I'm saying is he's hitting. He's killing everybody so much. Yeah, off the tee. But like average from 120 is different than like good from 160.

So like his average from 120 is still better than somebody gaining strokes from 160. So the stats kind of are a little funky in that regard. The basis being he just doesn't hit it quite close enough for how close he gets it to the green. His mind is wet. He's too good. He hits it so, but that's the thing we've talked about for so long is he has so much speed and like the flash speed and the hip separation that, you know, when he, when you're hitting wedges that doesn't really apply, that's tough to dial back. I do think I noticed it last week at Riv. He, he started hitting, that's tough to dial back. I do think, I noticed it last week at RIV,

he started hitting, he's capable of hitting a fade now. For sure. Which I think is, like, he hasn't, I feel like now he's working the ball both ways and he's throwing his wedges off a little bit more, getting a little bit more distance control. So I feel like Rory's trending. That would say something more.

Nothing gets me more hot rather than good distance control as you guys know. Exactly. I'm trying to pan her to you. Which actually, I don't know. Solid mentioned that earlier this week, just like, man, I don't think anybody hits it past the pin more than Rory. Why is it always yelling sit? Of course, it kind of becomes confirmation bias after you hear that, but it was kind of stark. Yeah. Once you start thinking about it like that.

No, who else does that? Icarito. He's always that. I'm trying to tell him to be short of the whole. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, But I feel like that's what my eyes are seeing so all right speaking of not making pots you guys want to move on Let's do it. All right. There's another listener voice mail here. Hey guys. This is Clay from Alabama I just want to talk about Jordan's feet the guy's putting inside of 10 feet this week was just absolutely abysmal I just want to know if it's safe to say that he has the yips out of 10 feet this week was just absolutely abysmal. I just wanna know if it's safe to say that he has the yips. Don't know, you know, leave that up to y'all for a shot.

All right, a lot of good accents in the list of voice-mails. We got them. So the question does Jordan's feet have the yips? I wouldn't say that any of the four of us are necessarily qualified to make that call, but if you guys feel different. No, I think Randy is qualified to make that call.

He's battled for long and hard with the Should he go left handed? That's what Hank says the last resort is, right? That's the new option. Yeah. The first step is to, we got to, he already puts crosshand, right? The true first step is to diagnose. You got to figure out which hand your, your yip is in. Right. So the left hand is at the right hand. And then you got to get that hand essentially,

so a lot of it, a lot of them are the right hand and Hank says, you got to get that palm. This is a candy we're talking about. You got it, my friend Hank, you got to turn it so it's not facing the whole. Like you essentially have to reposition your hand. Okay.

So I was trying not to have this panic, I think, until I really dove into what happened on Saturday, where he, first of all, for the week, he was 51st out of 72 in Stroke's game putting, in far below average, not good. He lost 5.2 strokes to the field on Saturday putting. That is horrific. Wait until you hear the details. So he starts in the back nine. On 12, he missed from 4 feet 4

inches. On 15, he missed from 4 feet 5 inches. On 17, he missed from 4 feet 9 inches. On 1, he missed from 5. On 2, he missed from 3 feet. And on 3, he missed from one foot eight inches. And on six he missed from four feet. The one foot eight inch, I mean maybe it was one of those where you go to tap it and I didn't see it. But like that's the one that when I started diving into these, oh my god, he's one sixteenth on the tour this year just barely below average. Guys, everybody's, everybody's selling, I'm gonna buy.

Yeah. I don't know, I feel like he's just that weird athlete that wants it clicks, it clicks, and he's doing something to overcompensate for something, or he's got something, something mechanical going on. He didn't have Greller on the bag this week, which, shout out to Michael.

And his father, Bear, passed away. Anybody named Bear is a legend. Had to have absolute legend. Exactly. But yeah, I think he was probably out, you know, a little bit out of his element this week. And he's been fighting a little bit of late. And he's got what, four weeks now?

So really, six weeks now to kind of fix it for Augusta. So if you get going the wrong way on Poa, like, that's what I was going to say, we can go bad really quickly. And then you get back on, you get back on band or Bermuda and it's not the same thing. You feel like you're playing a different sport, right? So not this is kind of the, but the most alarming that we've got to be concerned about if his, if his, his long game was, was off. If like, if you couldn't find his driver, that would be more concerning for me. That wasn't good either. The data is not good there either. His short punting was always kind of a bit misleading, right? I think everybody's always

thought that he's the best fighter in the world. Yeah, and it was really that, especially in 2015, where he's making a ton of 20, 25 footers and skewing some of the staff. Which was nuts. Which was great. He's got him absolutely. He's part of it too. He's like the streaky is putter in the world. It could be never about could be. But he was really need to consider that option. He was never good never even above average from 4 to 8 feet. Like that was always been a problem zone for him. And like I remember like in 16 the

yearly almost won the Masters and should have won it like he was making everything above 8 feet and missing so many puts from like between 4 and 8 feet. So I got a question about putting stats and I think this is as good a time as any. So if you're below average from 48 feet on the PGA tour, like how many misputs per a hundred is that from like being slightly above average? So you to our players make an eight foot putt 50% of the time. That's the dividing line. And you make about six-foot putt about 66% of the time, I believe it is.

So, I mean, that four-to-eight feet is a pretty wide range, actually. I mean, a lot of putts come from in that area. Are you asking how many, what percent of putts come in that area? Well, I didn't. Yeah. And I guess my point is, I think I would trade being, like, the best putter from four to eight feet, trade being like the best putter from 48 feet To be like the best putter from 20 plus feet. I see what you're saying

I would prefer to be better from 4 to 8 feet because of way more well I feel like the range is so tight there where it's like okay I can believe below average from 48 feet But what are we talking about like one put a weekend? You know once you're aware as if I'm the best from 20 plus one putt a weekend, you know, one stroke, whereas if I'm the best from 20 plus feet, maybe that's finding, you know. Oh God, so speed is a-

Four strokes, but I don't know the answer to that. Speed is at 91 putst between four and eight feet this year. He's made 53, that's 198th on tour, which might be dead last. I don't know. From 20 to 25 feet, he's 89th, and from greater than 25 feet, he's third. So he's basically the best lag player on the planet. You said the leader. How many of the leader? The leader in putting from 48 feet is Martin Pillar. He's at 43 attempts made 35, so 81%. It basically goes 81%, 80% 80% 80%

So if speed was making 80% he would have made Somewhere between 25 more puts this year. So way more than you would make in the increment if you're from the from the long range. So yeah Shout out to the shrimp. He's T2 and that's that for putting for 48 feet. It's my guy. So I think, I think, way Mark Brody would say is like, everything above eight feet is relatively, basically what he tells Amiters is either chip it close or it doesn't matter where it goes, because once you get more than 10 feet away, it's probably gonna two putt.

It's so, yeah, you're probably gonna two putt. After playing golf in California for nine or 10 days, and putting on Poa, and like I was thrilled to get back to Bermuda which I hate. I'm the, I was the exact same way. I guess I'm talking about the big cat. Sure. What did you guys think?

Brandal made a big deal about his strategy off the tee this week, laying back a bit off the tee. Do you guys, was there anything to that in your guys' opinion? It was like with them or a hoi like in a six right? A little different. Different result. Yeah, I don't know.

It's, it seems really suspect when you saw Dustin and Rory bombing it overall in all these tight spots and I don't know, I don't know, I don't have a great, I don't have a great answer for it, but it doesn't, I don't think Tigers got that gear. Like, we've been, I feel think we've been yelling at the TV for years to take driver out of his bag. And like, you get to this golf course, which is narrow, is hell, with trees everywhere. I feel like he, he's not a guy that stands up

and has extreme confidence in jam and driver into some of these places that we're already in Tiger, we're trying to jam it. So it kind of almost speaks a little bit to the Chipotle Peck stuff, because a lot of people see this incredibly tight golf course and they're like, oh man, this is, you know, this should favor short hitters. And then why do we see Dustin and Rory up there? And I think what gets lost in that is Dustin and Rory for how long

they are driving it so incredibly straight. So straight. And Tiger doesn't do that. It's like not bombing Gals. Yeah. The people think it's bombing Gals, but it's like these guys are so unbelievably accurate. And they're like as accurate as middle of the road players and just way further down the fairway. Well, and that's where I was coming from. They're also, they're also driving and over some of this stuff. Correct. Yeah, without a doubt.

I'm still on speech page. And shorter guys can't. That's where it almost kind of seems like Chipotle Peck really punishes those guys in the middle because Rory and Dustin, when they're driving it over a lot of this stuff, it's like, you know, they're closer to the green and they can wedge out or whatever, and still probably get to the green from a shorter distance. Whereas Jordan, when he's driving a crooked at this place, he's giving up, you know, 20

yards or whatever, and he's way further back and all of that stuff and it just kind of starts to snowball. You can kind of see that with Kutcher in the third round. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Playing alongside those guys. Yeah, he finished, yeah, he was playing alongside DJ and he finished 23 shots behind DJ for the week. She's blown out to see things are really after his four pie, which was you don't have to tip 10% if you don't win. That's a heavy play. Yeah.

But so that's kind of where with with a golf course, which elevation equivalent was playing somewhere between 61 and 6200 yards. I have a hard time being like Hey, Tiger, you didn't pound driver enough when overall the overall goal is after two shots to be close to the hole Right Tiger was sixth and proximity to the hole this week, so like I don't he's coming in pots He's coming in pots coming in he led the field in approach But like it laying back to 200 yards at this altitude is like nine iron. Like that's not like a Insane layup. So I was I thought some of that was misguided. He didn't drive it well I mean hitting one OB off the first T to start the tournament

Set him back pretty far That is that is wild that he was that good in proximity. Yeah, that's sixth from from playing all the way back there Is yeah, I guess that kind of debunks a lot. Yeah, I almost feel like it out like I've never really played it altitude or the one time I played it out student like Montana I didn't realize I was at altitude until half a foot in the round and you and I looked at each other and we're Flavgar gas are like I just I just flew that dream by 20 yards man like oh, yeah, we're at 4,000 feet or you know but I feel like it would almost be tougher to hit half wedges and figure out what all your wedges were doing than just

to hit a full stock. It's not 25. It's not 15% for a wedge. Like it's not 15% for the... It's a very, very variable... Right. On average, Tiger hit it closer than Dustin this week. Yeah, that's nutty.

So yeah, he didn't put it great. I think the broadcast was kind of acting like he would have won this tournament if he'd put it normal. I mean, he put it about field average. He was 38th in Stroke's game putting. He did miss a ton of putts on Sunday, but they were just kind of like, yeah, he can't make it about that point. It kind of yeah, but I mean, it wasn't he heard himself off the tee.

That's kind of what held him back at least a little bit. Not not laying back, but like not even being accurate from the most part off the tee that's kind of what held him back at least a little bit. Not laying back, but not even being accurate from the most part off the tee. I don't think there's a ton to take away from that yet. I've seen that golf course ever before. I think it's a win for Todd. Yeah, I think if that's a performance that we're kind of somewhat disappointed in, then I think that's a good side of things to come. So he's taking next week off, then he's playing. Home time event. Bay Hill. I mean, it's not really his home time event. Well, I know it's he's going to be home in town and not play the event.

It's a, yeah, that's the best. Yeah, it's a dream. Right, too, right? Yeah. And then it's so that I'll play Bay Hill and then he'll play players and then he'll play match play. And then the schedule. And I guess they're there.

Yeah, the schedule did not do Honda any favors. That's like the event. This kind of like, when I guess Jack was kind of pissed about it, but at the end of the day, like they carved out a spot and made Memorial a priority and you can't have it both ways. And then you're going to, all right, cool. If you want to make Honda a big priority, then Bay Hill goes by the wayside.

So there's no good way to do it. No, definitely not. I think one, I've really honestly treated this event like a major this weekend. Like I was dead set on watching as much of as I could just because it's so fun to watch guys play golf halls like this. And to be clear, I think this golf course is like so bad that it's good.

Like it's so fun to watch guys navigate around these these these trees and play this crazy slopes on these greens and the crazy elevation. I think after more than a week of it, you could kind of sick of it, but I seriously love the change of pace in this tournament every year. Yeah, I agree. I don't know how, it's hard to say how quickly I would get sick of it because I really, really like it a lot.

And I love the recovery shots and I love all of that stuff. I'll club pro back. Club pro back. This is'll club pro that club pro. This is like, yeah, super bowl. Exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I loved it. I'm a little bummed that it turned into such a runaway,

which is so boring, you know, whatever, not that anybody can do about that. But yeah, I don't know. I just, it's the perfect change of pace, especially at this time of the year when you've kind of been watching like the Dittori Pines kind of slugfest type of places. And then yeah, I don't know, I love it.

It's great. What's funny is we were watching as Tiger went into the bunker on the ninth hole on Friday. We were like looking at where these bunkers were like sandwiched in between trees. And we were like, this is so bad. And then Tiger came up with the shot of the year probably so far out of that bunker

It's kind of like all right. Well it gave us that moment So okay, so when I for the for the for the listener when you say it's so bad I was just gonna say I take issue with the the adjective bad. I don't know what that means. I agree I think it's a little reductive. I know it's it's bad According to golden age architecture It's it's hella overgrown. Yeah, sure. Which, but I'm not quitting that with bad. Am I gonna...

I just, I out the case for why bad. It feels like the course that you grew up playing. Yeah, which is cool. Yeah, I feel like courses are like art. Like, your bad is fine. Your bad is bad, but it doesn't make it objectively bad. I agree. It's fine.

Yeah, I'm not saying objectively bad, but like just this particular shot, you're in a bunker already and there's a tree right in front of you. Like as a double penalty, it's kind of just like, oh, that's way more exciting to watch guys play a course like this than a quote unquote, like better test of wealth. Well, in my rebuttal, and we talked about it as it was happening, was like what that produced the iconic tiger shot of the last five years. So it's, you know, forced, but it's a shot.

Exactly. Exactly. So it's like, I'm glad they put a tree in between the two bonkers. I think it's quirky. I'm not, you know, for me, quirky equals good. I don't think it was bad. You just want to see a variety. You want to see something different?

I think that's what it's about. I just think like I would not want to see a golf course that tree lined every single week of the year. I think it just doesn't. I don't think that's a great, wonderful, entertaining test of golf. But that's my opinion. It's produced good leaderboard. So, I mean, some of that's the WGC. Not a real discussion. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah.

And we bang on the Torralot. I bang on the Torralot. The fact that there's a WGC event in Mexico City at this course that I was looking around Google Earth the other day and I can't figure out how they get even half the tents and people and you know all the infrastructure in there and It is remarkable that they moved the tournament from Daryl to Mexico City. Yeah. It's like a, it's a win for the fans. And the fans are awesome. They're awesome.

Yeah. Well, a, the fans are awesome there and b, it's awesome to watch on TV where Daryl was one of my least favorite tournaments in here. Right. Yeah. No doubt. Well, and it's, it's funny how, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, Mexico because those fans are so nice and supportive. Like he got harassed at Riv and the fans there are just like excited for their tournament. They didn't care about the coach or thing. Like, I know it's kind of a story going into.

It was he was he going to get harassed. But did DJ's brother, I didn't notice it today. Did he have the Trump logo on his sleeve? I didn't notice it. I didn't know we were looking for. Well, yeah, he always wears like that. That it's basically the Trump logo that he's got on the side of his plane was 737 or 757.

And he's got that on the side of his sleeve. We must mention, of course, the first T announcer is maybe one of the top five for great things about golf. Totally. That guy brings the heat. Calls the introduces DJ as DJ Dustin Johnson. He's got a great aesthetic too. Yeah, he does.

He's born. He's born for that role. The Yeah, he does. He's born. He's born for that role. The group of Salinas guy in the booth. I mean, he's got a greatest, he's got a great, he's got a maroon jacket and everything. With a big patch on it.

Which going back to the Austin Johnson thing, like I just asked that because I hope he didn't have it on there. I would have thought that would be a little bit. Super aggro and like, have some respect for the people over there. I think with a lot of people see this golf course, I don't know. I just, I think that the average fan looks at that and without looks at it as much more exciting than, like, quote, unquote, bad. I guess is my main takeaway from this week. And I think that, I think that almost, I don't know, I could see people making the case for, this is why we should play way more tree-lined golf courses, and I don't know

like how to necessarily argue that. I know that the stock argument is, trees are bad for the average player because they slow everything down and they make the game harder and all of those things. But at the same time, it kind of feels like swooping in and telling people that what they like is bad and I don't wanna to be in that business.

I guess. Does that make sense? For sure. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, I'm with you. Well, I think it's when people go back to their club and say, hey, we need to take down trees and they say, why? I just watched this tournament and it's awesome and that sort of thing. To a certain extent, you know, yeah, trees and forest decisions and they, yeah, they don't necessarily create options for you, but if you're going to prescribe the option and you got to certain extent, you know, yeah, trees force decisions and they, yeah, they don't necessarily create options for you, but if you're going to prescribe the option and you got to hit that shot, sometimes that makes for just as good a golf where, hey, you got to do this. And if you don't do it, like, yeah, your, your, your house, your, that's what the pros

love, though. That's what they love, like being dictated, like, where I need to hit it. But I think that kind of, kind of, it kind of, this is like extreme firestone, right? It is. And it kind of gets to the larger point, which is that the whole like with an options, with an angles thing, like doesn't work on the PJ tour. I hear you there.

I'm like, because either you're going to have to make it play extremely firm, which is hard to guarantee. I was gonna say the greens are always too soft for it. Yeah. And or you're gonna, like, or guys are gonna shoot 900 under par. Or the, or the tour doesn't have an appetite for explaining to guys.

Yeah, which I kind of hear. Here's why there's a short grass runoff that goes 30 yards from the green, like a trendy forest last year. Yeah, so it's, I don't know, it's hard. I think it gets into the, the Bel Rive conversation as well, why people were like upset with saying Belrieve is bad and all these things and Eventually when when we're looking at this is like an entertainment product You start to look at okay the leaderboard of Belrieve was really good and the tournament was really good and like I don't know

Why am I fighting on what's what's those back this is a bad boss? Yeah, but like I don't yeah I don't know I just don't care, I guess. You know, like, you say that, like, if Big Cat wasn't at Bell Reve, and Brooks would have ran away with it, we wouldn't have been like, but that's kind of every tournament, to be honest. Without a doubt, if you can, look,

if you decide Bell Reve, we design this course because it means Tiger's gonna compete, I'd be like, good, in on that. I don't know. Augusta should have done that instead of quote unquote, tiger proofing it or whatever they did. Like it was great for the game when tiger was dominating Augusta. So I think the onus is on the riddler.

For sure. So foring Augusta back to. Hey, everyone's gonna follow his lead. If the cat can hit it anywhere, he wants off the tee and then basically conjure something up on the approach shots. And you're gonna have great drama down the stretch. Why wouldn't you wanna do that? Cut down the rough, chop down those trees

that you planted off the side of 15, and some of those other holes, and let's do it up, man. I'll win on that. We ended the last podcast, or on the last podcast, we were quite hard on another broadcasting partner. What was your guys' assessment of NBC coming back into the fold this week? I'm retired, how long did you guys take this?

Randy, go ahead. Well, I was traveling in the RV last week, so I wasn't really a part of the conversation. I continue to think the NBC telecast is perfectly adequate. It suited my needs. And like DJ, I am to the point where I just can't muster the energy to care much weekend and week out. I watched the entire day yesterday. That was great. Yeah. I mean, it was fast paced. It was

even when they're showing pot after pot after pot, it's like they're showing twice as many of those pots as the other broadcast partner that we won't mention. But yeah, I mean, everything's working in symphony with each other. There's a certain level of comfort, and there's a certain level of confidence with the broadcast to where they feel like they've got the right people there,

and they've got the guys on the ground, and they've got enough cameras out there to capture everything and it's like, hey, let's Let's make sure this thing goes Point A to point B to point C to point D instead of just saying cool. We're just gonna go from point A to point B No, I thought they were I thought Thursday through Saturday was a really really solid and like a very refreshing change of pace Sunday whether it was actually true or not. I feel like I noticed the commercials a heck of a lot more. It may have had something to do with DJ kind of, it never really being that close, but Sunday felt a bit slow, a bit like, I was kind of like, I'm ready for something to happen here or something.

It's kind of captivated me the way the first few days did. I thought they did an awesome job with all the elevation stuff, like constantly putting up graphics to see, you know, that's so important to this event. And it does tell the story. I think I actually got an altitude headache by the end of it by all the time they mentioned it. Going back to the course, if this course was at sea level or, you know, let's say they were playing a 63 or 6400 dark course at sea level, would that be as interesting, would they be hitting the variety of shots?

Would they be flying greens with wedges? That sort of thing. I can think it's all, it's like a perfect storm of this is a really cool tournament and this course is good because of, because it's out to, because it's tight, because there's a ton of variables and everything that are kind of in play.

I think the other thing too is Thursday Friday, during an NBC week, that's when I really, really noticed the difference. And I don't know what the dynamics are there. I don't know who's producing that. I don't know if that's, you know, the NBC guys in there versus the other networks guys in there. But like the entire pacing and just motivation to show golf

seems to be different on an NBC week even on Thursday, Friday when they aren't technically the broadcast partner. What you guys think of Bryson's new incident Thursday afternoon after a very poor putting around takes his putter out. Randy's Randy's got a I was going to say I can't muster some energy here. This is Randy's boy, so we'll let him. I do like Bryson. Randy kind of wants to, Randy might make a leave Bryson alone video. Here's where I net out.

We're going to, trying to think of the right word. We're gonna pressure. We're going to, neuter. You know, essentially pressure Bryson into being newter. He's gonna, you know, be on his pees and cues at all times, you know, on camera especially. And you know, as a result, I think the fan is the one that's gonna get hurt because I guarantee

at some point in the next year, I'm gonna be on here talking about, you know what, there just aren't that many interesting guys and professional golf. Like who is grabbing my attention? Be it good or bad from a drama perspective. Like I love it. He eats, like who and what is he really hurting with that? One, I don't really get the outrage over it,

except for obviously it's on the heels of the bunker incident, and I think he's a bit of a easy target. Over the top. No, over like either of them, like, I mean, Sergio, like he was public enemy number one for 10 days. Like he basically took the heat off the Saudis. Sergio, the gut disqualified for tearing out his way worse. Well. Yeah, I was gonna say they don't really seem like equal no events So I don't think Bryson should have gotten there's a trend in play here for Bryson

I mean there's a like are you affected? I'm curious like how it affects I mean I wasn't affected by surges either, but that's what I'm saying like as a fan right back to like if golf is an entertainment product Well, like I don't understand why are we upset? Oh, no, I think it's two things like Bryson Like shouldn't do what he did like definitely not but do like why but Why let me pull that thread? No, no, let me pull that thread. Why like if every player is going out slamming clubs in the green like Distraught like is is that a horrible example of that? Same reason why, like,

is the green destroying issue? Like if every player does that, it's all the green we should point out. Yeah, yeah. Is that like, like the highest level, like do we want everyone in golf to be think that's okay to treat a player for one of us? All right, Rene, like do you wanna go out

to Jack's Beach this week and have the guy in front of us slamming this cutter and like, I guarantee people do. Like, you don't think people, not like that. I mean, that was, that was insane. I guarantee what happens at Jack's Beach is far worse than anything we'll see on tour. Right, but if that is okay to do,

then like, then so everyone could in theory do that. And like, what would a green look like if everyone came through and slammed their club into it like that? Right, I guess my point is probably like, what they look like now. I, I, I, no, we got a nice new product. Yeah. You can't, you can't be.

This seems like, this seems like the old Charles Barkley MBA, like, listen, I'm not your, I'm not your, I'm not a role model. Yeah, I'm, I'm not trying to raise your kids. And as, as an entertainment entity, yeah, I don't want Bryson to raise my kids, like be entertaining. Listen, I'm going for Bryson to raise my kids. Like be entertaining. I'm not pressing my kids either. You might be. I think it's such fo out. Like it's such misplit. Like, who everyone here is. Super fire. Everyone's so mad about everything right now. I am with like I'm weirdly with you, but I also think you might be a bridge

too far for me. Like I get the sentiment of what you're saying, where it's kind of like, let's, you know, if you wouldn't have destroyed the bunker in every the air last week. Yeah. Oh, come on. We talk about like it's like, it's like a crater in the, like, you know, it's like bombed out now. I just, oh my gosh. What would you, what would you prefer? What would you prefer to happen? In response to him doing that? Yeah. So he's shown on BBC or Sky or whatever it was, taking a big chunk out of the putty greed

and then fixing it immediately. How about that underrated element? I mean, this wasn't even, which is, this was in the background, but they're like, oh, scheme. but the caddy hands him the putter to do it too, that's the best part. It's so what would you have? Like we were all gonna laugh at it.

I just did it. And they move on. All right, so what a third guy, it's 144 minutes. I mean, John, you're asking me things that don't affect me. Like if 30 guys did it, I still don't care. I like it. It's chaos. There's not an idea of prank us putting green there anymore.

Well, I'm sure that the two, like, I'm sure there's money to fix it. It's just so far. I don't know. I don't like the slippery slope argument. Well, one of the reasons why is Bryson allowed to act like an asshole and nobody else on tour is?

I think other... Because Bryson's the top-up. I think other guys are. I mean, I think anybody could do that. I don't know. I guess, okay, well, you know, he's gonna fit inside golf's little box sooner or later, and then we'll be back to like, why isn't this entertaining?

Well, here's another term that I'm watching. I don't, these guys are all kind of vanilla and whitewashed and I just feel like we can't have it both ways. We can't demand more personalities for golf to like go back to how it was and then when we see personality, when we see stuff like that, then we just berate them. I'm fine with him doing that, as long as he gets, you know, if there's a wreck, was it

consequence for it and he wants to keep doing it? Cool, all for it. Well, he had the PR team of Watson Scott working with him to rectify this. I think this is why I'm so pissed about it. This is from Bubba's Ted Scott's Twitter. I don't know something This is a video from Ted Scott's Twitter something There's a locker room for those of you who didn't see this they're walking around looking for Bryson Is somebody shirtless on this one? No, I'm sure

Racens using his arm like a full chrome straight you can get it. Yep. We're gonna do is And he's basically explaining how he just destroyed this green. It's very funny You should see like words matter again. Like is the green destroyed? Look again, K. S. Theory loves this. Yeah, like do I actually care about this? No hold on is the green destroyed? No, it's not destroyed No, okay practice green Practice green destroyed. Well, so's not destroyed. No, okay. Practice green. Lame. Practice green destroyed. Well, so the search is someone call it the rubber green.

The Sergio stuff is way different. That was like competitive green where he's affecting the competition. Yeah. I kind of agree with you that this really doesn't mean anything. No. I think it's people who don't like Bryson want a reason to yell at Bryson. Totally. Yeah.

Totally. And I guess my larger issue with this isn't isn't this per se it's we're going to try to force Bryson into golf's boring box that everybody else gets placed into and I think that's a shame let's move on yeah all right this is another listener voice now hey guys Terry from Carl's bad and i have a question for you i heard it cowl way um... you know the best the most dynamic golf company in the universe here we go the number one driver at the world golf championship down in mehiko

and i know it has to be because the new flash face technology combined with jail break giving all these two players massive jumps and ball speed also looks so damn sexy with carbon carbon crown and adjustable perimeter weight. This color seems to have quite an agenda to be pushing against this call. Where are the cow's headquarters? So my question is, I'm thinking about irons on Twitter.

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Doesn't even seem possible. Yeah, Harry. There's got to be a question. Come on buddy Well if you couple that with a chrome soft golf. Oh my god, you know the ball that changed the ball because it brought golfers everywhere that combination of low compression Great feel fast ball speeds due to its graphene infused soft bass core, an ultra thin tourier thing cover. I've got two wins on tour already. Two wins. I know that. So, yeah, so my question is this.

Here we go. Do any of you guys backstop when you play casual rounds with your buddy? I'll hang up and look. Well, thank you to what we can only assume was the chief marketing officer of Cowlwagall, Harry Arnet, for that incredibly specific question. Do any of you backstop while playing competitive rounds? Tron, I'm gonna start with you here, I would think. This is kind of your bread butter on both sides.

On both sides. Well, Tron is currently doing the Ray Lewis dance to get ready to come into these takes. Um, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave that to you. Do it. Do I backstop? I've never seen someone so incredibly pro and anti backstop, depending on the context. Hey, typically when we're out at Jack's Beach or Tim Aquana or wherever we're out at,

we're playing a game. Sure. at Jack's Beat or Tim Aquana or wherever we're out at, we're playing a game. Right? And I have a teammate in that game. I'm typically trying to provide a backstop for my team. I think when we're in California, I heard you say, quote, Randy, don't you even think about marking that fucking golf ball? You might say it's applied differently

for a professional golf that it might be in. We're not playing for, you know you know as JB home said millions of dollars Well, all right, so the backstopping Reared it's uh, let's discuss it. Reared it's head this week on the LPGA. I Kind of want to I'm gonna retire preemptively from this one too because I do not care about back I gotta say I'm tapping out to yeah, I gotta say, I am tapping out too. Yeah, I gotta say, Sully waited in the backstopping this weekend.

I regret it so much. And Sully, how did that go before? But there's a good reason why I did, because I felt like I try not to get into it because I think for the most, first of all, Tron has covered this topic plenty for all of us, but this was,

I'm like a field of grass type, so to backstopping. This was the reason why I got into it was like, this was the most egregious one that I've seen at any level. And it had fist bump, everything to it. It had like, so what happened if you missed it? This video came from Duncan French. It's been looped 238,000 times.

So people like were really fired up about this. People are killing the backstop. Ariadge Tana-Garne hits a chip onto the green from green side. She guikes walks towards it to start going to go marker ball. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that.

I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna chip shot, waved her off, hits her shot. It's flying by the hole, bangs off areas ball stops right next to the hall. They go laugh about it and they go fist bump each other by the hole. So again, the rule in stroke play under rule 15, three, if two or more players agree to leave a ball in place on the putting green to help any player and the stroke is made

with that helping ball left in place, each player who made the agreement gets two penalty strokes. If that motion to like, hey, should I mark it? And like, no, no, your fine isn't an agreement. What do they expect? Like then to sign a contract on the green. It seems like it seems like areas was like, hey, that that's clearly in your. Yes. It's going to help you.

Yes. Like this is good. So my whole point to it was like, all right. And there's a couple arguments against it that are really bad I think we'll touch on those but if the ball was between where Amy was playing and the whole She would have given her the time to go market because it would have like negatively affected her or or within a probably a two-foot Yeah, window between yes, where her line was well, so that's not a pace of play thing if that's the case because like if I'm a hundred yards Out and there's a ball like a foot in front of the hole,

I'm not sending somebody up to go market. That's the only time when professional golfers ever give a shit about pace of play. It's exactly the point. And like if the ball was eight feet behind the hole, I wouldn't have really had an issue with this. It's like kind of that gray area. You still shouldn't do it, but like it wasn't as blatant

as this. And if you're not going to call penalty for something this blatant, then like, we're done in moving on. Like, that's why I want to put closure to this. Like, people that say, like, also, fingers crossed. The people that said, all right, area and, and, and, and not Amy were like, they're like the two most honest. I'm sure that's fun. Even if it was out of like ignorance, cool, like they still, like their intent was still clear. The thing that makes me mad is when people respond on Twitter and say, yeah, but like, if they're that good to aim at a ball

that's, you know, six inches behind the hole and two feet to the right, why would they just aim for the hole? Like literally no one's arguing that. I do agree with you there. But that's the dumbest thing I've's arguing. I do agree with you there That's the dumbest thing I've ever had that good and the ball was gonna go wave has the whole. Yeah Exactly, so hey like there's there's a dispersion pattern here, you know And what we're talking about pace of play when you're actually green side is we're talking about the difference between like 10 and 20 seconds like less than less than one percent of any part of a round

I think I think I think K Kit Henley said it on Twitter. And he was like, he was like, yeah, they were, they were really far off the green. They were like, eight yards off the green. They were, so they were like at the whole. I had to actually time this out. They're at the whole fist bumping 12 seconds after the balls made contact.

So like, that's how far away they were. And so my overall point to all this, and people have asked, like, it's actually a fair question to ask, like, where's the dividing line? And I don't think there's a far away they were. And so overall point to all this, and people have asked, it's actually a fair question to ask, where's the dividing line? And I don't think there's a definitive answer to that. But I know if I'm playing a green side shot, whether or not the ball should be marked. And golfers, this is a game of integrity.

You know whether a ball is sitting there potentially going to help you. In your head, you know. Actually, I had beers with Pricy, Aaron Price earlier. He said they should have the tours should have a Like 25 yards out 30 yards out or however far out they want just a just a simple line That all right cool if you're if you're outside of that Backstop things in play. You're inside of that you have to mark

Why don't they just get some more free volunteers out there to as soon as the ball touches the green They go out there and market like in tennis you touches the green, they go out there and mark it. Like in tennis, you get the ball boys, run it out there and tennis. That would be kind of sick. But yeah, no one's accusing, I wasn't accusing anybody of cheating. But it also states in the rule,

even if you're not aware of this one, I didn't say cheating. I think the rule was violated without it. Without any questions. I don't think they were, well, I think they were so ignorant to it that they weren't intentionally cheating. I think, like, area of junior guns, one of my favorite players in women's golf.

Like she's awesome, but, you know, A, just like enforce the rules. Like the fact that they didn't enforce it in this scenario means they're never, ever, ever going to enforce it, ever. And so I think the only solution here, and it's not going to get solved, but like it's on the player, it's on area jatana guard, get up there and mark your ball. And once you've declared your intent to mark market, the other player cannot play. Like it is a penalty if they play. So it's up to the players to do it. They won't police it because they haven't. They both said, I were never going to, we're never going to do this again. We're

all right. Cool. Well, if you, if you didn't do anything wrong, this time, yeah, why would you do anything differently? And if you got there playing a match against each other, there's no way she would left the ball. That's the bottom line line that there is if this was match because T.C That's no if it was match player you leaving up all there not a chance Yeah, if it's a 72nd hole There's no way you would have done it. There's a one shot difference. So that answers a question We can put it to bed until next week when a new incident

All right, we need to get some more voicemail. We need to wait wait Randy up here. Okay. All right. I'm back Cool. Hey guys We need to wait. We need to wait. Randy up here. Okay. Alright. I'm back. Cool. Hey guys. Are they going in from Goodwood, Ontario? A beautiful Canada. A lot of Canadian voicemails.

Great wood. Golf panel last night. Had a rebroad pass to the 1984 players championship. For a couple of one. It's a great watch. Had it all. Big question is why is golf channel doing this all the time instead of replaying the legend of backer bands for the 8,000

times? That's it. That's all. Thanks for all the content. It sounds like it's been a long winter. Yeah, very defeated sounding voicemail from Arthur. So as I understand this I mean, I think this is something that golf channel or the tour or whoever obviously has thought of like we're not the first people to To think of this, but I think that the way it works According to some hashakes sources is That basically golf channel has to pay every time any kind of PJ tour footage is on there. Their TV or is on their their air that comes out of a you know, a bucket of broadcast rights that they were that they paid for or whatever. And so I think the easiest way to say it is like it's cheaper to run the Legend of Bagger Vance.

Without a doubt. So I think they save these kinds of highlight shows for, you know, like the 1984 players was won by Fred Couples and Fred Couples is on Farity and so there was like some self-interest in actually running that one this week. And then they also save it for the Masters in the US Open and all that stuff, which is awesome. It sucks for it. It kind of seems like the worst of both of all worlds, both for the PJ Tour because they don't have you know like how sick would it be to have Old WGC. I guess it'd be derral or or whatever this week but like old some old tiger Derral win this week leading up to Mexico or that maybe is a bad example But some old Honda classic or some old, you know, whatever have those each week would be awesome for everybody

And you would think it would be awesome for everybody. And you would think it'd be awesome for the tour, but I also get that they got to, you know, whatever they sell something that's worth a lot of money and they got to protect that and draw the line somewhere. So like a lot of things in golf, it kind of seems like like the worst case scenario for all parties involved.

For all the fans. For all the fans for golf channel and for the tour, it kind of seems like everybody loses in this scenario, but say lobby. I guess seems like cutting off your arm despite your hands. Yeah, it's like a major like overlying issue we have with the tour is like a lack of kind of vision for what the game could be if it's reaching more people and like they would rather view it from a business perspective and not people.

Which I get. But it's at a small level I get it. If you want to meet your short term goals and hit your PowerPoint numbers, then yeah, I get it. But let's move on. Good question, because that's something we lament all the time. Real quick on that. I watched some of that. It was, first of all, it was awesome. TBC looked so cool. Lietra Vino on Sunday, while he was in contention, got interviewed on the 17th T before he hit his T-shirt. It was awesome. Like Like I didn't know that could happen. Well, that happens on the Well, that's the thing every time they every time they show one of these things where it's whether it's the Calvin P

Ear or like 93 or 94 when it that whether it was crazy I'm always left like man like I've watched so many more of these and it's all right cool Like you don't want golf channel shown cool, like if I'm a PGA tour live subscriber, I get access to these. I think they did this with YouTube thing a while ago. I forget what it was called. I think it was like PGA tour rewind

or something like that where they threw a ton of these up on YouTube and you had to pay like five dollars to access them, but they didn't really market it. I don't know. I don't know. Like the whole thing is like watching it with other people too. Like being5 to access them, but they didn't really market it. I don't know. The whole thing is like watching with other people too, being able to have community with it. But like part of the reason why we picture the majors so vividly is they have these highlight shows on around

pretty much every, you know, masters, they'll do a marathon, like do that with the players. I don't have memories of the players. So are you suggesting that the players should be a major? I didn't say it. If they want it to be a major, then yeah, that's the first place to start. So give people in it. Like what's your, I don't have memories of the, of the players in the 90s and yeah, I don't know.

All right, let's move on. This is Connor from Atlanta. Guys, I just want to ask, why do we always have to listen to the how to train your dragon here during the golf telecast? I don't understand why. But this one is really close to my while.

Why do we have to deal with the how to train your dragon promos on golf? I don't know the answer, but that really grinded my gears this week too. I got to imagine that's I don't know some Comcast. There's like four companies in the world. So I'm sure Comcast owns DreamWorks, the owns, whatever. I thought that was just targeted marketing towards... No, no. How to train your dragon was all over the telecast.

It's like one of the three things I remember most vividly about this broadcast. I was very happy to hear that voice mail. I don't have anything else to add. We can move on. I just wanted to air that. It always sounds sexual to me. How to train your dragon?

That's scummy. Get your head on your face. You woke up from your nap to say that. Yeah, get your head on the ground. You're not allowed to see Fred anymore. All right, let's move on. Golf channel stuff, why do I have to watch a live under par commercial every commercial segment?

There's a lot of like, hey, you're watching golf. Here's a commercial for golf. Yeah, like, like, players live under par or some other nebulous PGA tour commercial is it? Hey cool. We could probably we could probably cut down on on four minutes of you know like four minutes every two hours. Yeah of these commercials just from or use those commercials to tell it like we we lament a lot about like hey if you do all this great charity work like you don't do a great job of telling that story like let's I don't know use that time to tell the story of the tournament that you're watching or something like that.

But like the last thing that you need to do, you've made the sale to have a lot of this. Like you don't need to sell us on living under par. Like we're not the ones that are trying to live under par. The ones that are trying to live under par are the ones that aren't watching golf yet. Right. Yeah. I wholeheartedly agree with that one. All right.

Next question. Hi. This is Philip Johnson in Belfast, Northern Ireland, by way of Colgate, Wisconsin. This is completely irrelevant to the WGC Mexico, but I need to know if I'm the only one that has no idea why tour is capitalized, you know, all caps after PJs were. Why is tour capitalized as a stand for anything?

Am I the only one? Thank you. You are not the only one. You're not the only one. And this is for anyone who thinks like, you know, hey, you just bag on the tour all the time. This is this is the questions people have. Why is tour all caps? I feel like I can shed some light on this as as a former employee. It's just a brand standard. It's like whenever our name appears in any kind of print, it will be in our name.

Wow. Whatever. What a slip up. It is because it is. I'm speaking. It is because it is. That's exactly right. Yeah. Whenever it's just them saying. It's like when your parents say it, like, it's because we say so. Yeah.

That's exactly what it is. Not quite. I did some research. Okay. Shout out golf news network. It's because the PGA tours founding company is PGA tour ink. Yeah. All of it capitalized. Which is so-

Capitalized because of the brand standard. Like, like it's not- Sure. So to the listeners question, it's not in all cat, and it's not like an acronym, which would make more sense. Like PGA is an acronym. Correct.

PGA tour is not an acronym. For whatever reason, they decided to capitalize the whole name of the company. Yeah. And since then, they've, you know, it's accepted now to capitalize everything. I think it's just because it sticks out more when you're reading it in a press release

or you're reading it in whatever. I don't know. What I would challenge the listeners, come up with your own acronym. Which is an acronym. What does tour stand for? If they're going to capitalize it, I think that's question. Also, players is capitalized every single time as well. The players. Can we do some sort of contest? If you really want to do a chamber well because they're all under the same. The players is all caps because of the brand standard. What? They'll ignore their

trust is all caps because of the players. the gold standard because it's a brand standard I think brand standard just that you pick with a standard Okay, I think gold standard because of the gold solid can we do a pot can we do a contest? I'm sure we can let's assume that you can reply with your best your best acronym for any of the ones that we just came up with The best one will win something. We'll probably send you a Callaway driver of subkind, probably an epic flash. All right, next question. Ah. Huge sleep. Jimmy calling in from last full tendency.

If we're talking about anything other than they can't win in number 15, I don't know what the fuck we're doing. No. All right, sweet Jimmy. Sweet Jimmy. This is a children's show. Ah. Ah.

That's that. For the record, Jimmy, I agree. Sweet Jimmy. It might be the only thing that matters. Can we listen real quick again to the despotency in the beginning of this call? Sweet Jimmy calling it from last full Tennessee. This is what we're encouraging by the way. Huge fan of Sweet Jimmy and your whole aesthetic. You've been short, tight.

Look, we're not going to talk about him win a number 15 until the season of championship starts here in March. That was a player show, guys, whatever. So I got, I don't know, I feel a little bit sheepish here. Can we talk about masters picks? True. Sure. Yeah.

I got Tiger, Speed, Leesh. Well, you can't pay for this. Can we talk about masters picks? True. Sure. Yeah. I got Tiger, Speed, Leash. Well, you can't pick them. You're just not picking. No, no, no. I won five guys. No, that's not impressive. You pick one guy.

It's gonna pick that. From like the top ten favorites. I like Kim Smith. I like Lee Wood. I like Fred Cobble's one. I like Kat. D.J. Bottom line. If I have to pick somebody and I imagine that the odds are gonna suck. Yeah, yeah It's gonna be like eight to one. He's 12 to one right now. I might lock that in because I think cats gonna win

I'm waiting for speed thoughts to keep going up. Yeah, I was gonna say that I I don't know hard to pick against Rory right now, right? Don't spoil the master's preview pot. Yeah, I don't know Let's... Well, you guys got a... I'm sorry, guys. We pulled our pants down. You guys got a... How can you talk about the Master's before the players

has even started? Exactly. The Master's Championship. It's the season of championships. All right, let's move on. Let's go. Okay, my name is Tucker. I'm calling from Nashville, Tennessee.

I was originally from Philadelphia. That's my relative detail. My library is what is the point of whistling? Why would you ever whistle? Like, are you faking the song? Are you faking having rhythm? I don't understand why you would ever, ever whistle. having rhythm, I don't understand why you would ever, ever with lost. And it really pisses me off. So pretty much it. Thank you.

Well, be guys. Not all specific there. Yeah, I can wait for a golf aspect, but I think he just doesn't like whistling. That's amazing. But as someone who can't really whistle, I guess I sort of see. I've never understood it, but I think it's

because I've never been able to. Yeah, shout out to Bob Rubin, little sis. Well, I'll never whistle again I don't think after hearing that because now I don't know why you would ever whistle I don't know is that something that people are upset about typically I don't know how whistle the I could hear the anger And the frustration in his voice enough that to at least understand his struggle. Can any of you whistle? I don't know why you would I can whistle. Yeah, I I don't know why you would, but I can whistle. Yeah.

I don't know how to whistle. I got a game. I wish I had that loud whistle. I would stick two fingers in your mouth. R.C. Cunx got that. That's a little look at me. I feel like if you whistle, too, you should have hard candy in your pocket, and you should go around, you know, you were popping it in every now and again.

I can't remember what we were talking about earlier, where, like, Freddy's not allowed to talk to Randy. And this is just another reason. Like, Randy, do you have an ice cream truck out in the garage? I could see it in a non-scummy way. The big guy's got a huge propensity for visiting college campers. I could see you walking around whistling. Would very much fit your aesthetic, but if you can't whistle, I guess that's a whole

other thing. All right, very extremely weird question from Tucker, but we encourage the weird question. Yeah, that was not a weird question. It was a rant. Yeah, we like that. OK, next one. Hey, guys, it's Dan from McQuion. I just wanted to get your thoughts on Steve Stricker's

writer, Cup Captain Steve, Captain T. Bed. I know nothing of Wisconsin loves more than seeing another Wisconsinite succeed. But I just wanted to see if this is a slippery slope, just picking hometown boys to be captains or what's your general thoughts on it all i'll hang up and listen thanks by all right best acts on the callers i would say the northern people are the most worries from

very pent up a little bit that's what it seems like gosh that's like north of Wisconsin i will seem like northern miss other we'd listen back like is he playing a role uh No, I don't think that was very real. I don't know, Steve's trick or cap and see. I think he's earned it. God, he was macro, or micro sense. I love it. Yeah, macro sense.

I hate it. Why? Because I think it sets a crazy standard. Like, all right, who's going to be the captain in New York? Is it Mark Ternessa? It's going to be Phil. Oh, it's going to be Phil. Yeah.

But Phil's not from New York. He's going to be Lisa Payton. It's gonna be. Yeah. It feels not from New York. He's gonna be Lisa Payman. He's. She's an alpha. I appreciate that. Listen, you guys are on the US side. We can. The European side's been dealing with this for a decade now. Sure. Paul McGinley never won a major. You know, this is the slippery slope that you're talking about. And you're. You're talking about. I.all's asses. I never understood the winning major thing

mattering for cap and see if they agree. We can debate, we have debated a bunch. We're going to do a lot more Ryder Cup stuff here in the coming years. I don't know, either you're a good captain or you're not, and a lot of circumstances are out of your hands. I don't know. Either you're a good captain or you're not. And a lot of circumstances are out of your hands. Like, I don't know if Jim Fierrick was a bad captain because Patrick Reed went, you know, A-Wall in the Ryder Cup. But Jim Fierrick's won a major. And they didn't win the Ryder Cup. I don't know.

I don't think it really matters if you want a major. I know it's different than the question that's being asked. I mean, I don't think it matters that much who the captain is. If you're willing to put in the work and have a leadership style and make sound decisions, that's really all that you can really ask for. How do people know that somebody who hasn't won a major is a bad captain if they haven't had somebody who hasn't

won a major? True. Very true. I could see, I could kind of get behind if the PJ of America was like, hey, we want to limit this to only PJ championship winners because it's our event. And we can do whatever we want. I'd be like, all right, that seems stupid,

but at least I kind of get it. But just the random kind of nebulous must have one of major things like, yeah, that doesn't really, that doesn't really make sense. Yeah. So Stricker, I don't know, I think it'd be cool. I think fans are gonna be mega passionate behind him. I don't think the captain plays that big of a role

to begin with in the first place. And so I think it's more of a figurehead sort of thing anyways. And I think as the American team has been much more, hey, we want like a quote unquote players captain, and we want, you know, Phil's gonna run the team anyways. It doesn't really matter. So, just disgusting. I guess, but I think Stryker fits, fits in.

Well, I'm all for it. I actually liked the idea that guy in Twitter, who was it? who was like, one of the name Bill Bell-check. Yeah. Bill, so I'm a nuclear take. Some of the great, I believe he would say, like some of the great leaders, yeah,

Robert Kraft, right? Some of the great leaders of the guys. Some of the great leaders of the guys. Yeah. In other aspects. Yeah, like why does he even have to be a golf person? Yeah, I mean, maybe. I mean, I guess what the captain sees too is where the counter argument to that is where do you draw

the line? And it's like common sense. The people that are involved here have common sense. I have no concerns that Jerry Kelly is going to be a rider cup captain right in the next time that comes around and that's not going to happen. Yeah. I think Strikker is going to either be be a good or bad captain, but we don't have no one outside of maybe the people directly involved in the process have any information that would clue us into whether that would be the case. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. No, I totally agree, but I would say even the

people involved in the discussion probably don't have any idea. They've got a bottom line, more Lisa Havenavement. Yes. We want to get to some shout outs here. Before we wrap up, I was going to give a shout out to Kierdeck, Opie Bonrat, finishing T3, first full season with PGA Tour, moved up to I think 36 in the official World Golf rankings.

We're going to be seeing a lot more him around the PGA Tour this year. That's exciting. I'll give a shout out to Uncle Yost, Loit, psych to see him. Someone said he looked like a really grungy solid, which was the take of the week on Twitter. Could not stop seeing it.

And so the more we see that guy, the TV, the better. Solid, he's the picture of being photoshopped with his eyes. It's like my eyes. It's creepy. How much that one picture looks exactly like me. I think there was a little bit of Photoshop in that. No, I actually Googled it.

That was. That's his photo. That's his photo. OK, maybe we are long lost cousins. I want to give a shout out to the orchid spa and Jupiter. Sure. I don't think it's going to be an interesting week. Hurt a couple pro golfers have been, they were out of town during the whole sting thing,

so they are in good shape, but I heard a Hall of Fame basketball player might be in the mix. We'll see. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be fun to watch. More of that story as it develops. I'll give a shout out to Martin trainer for winning the Puerto Rico Open. That's very.

His first career, PGA Tour Vicar. It's a great functional shout out. Yeah, I'm going to wild resume. His grandfather is Eli Whitney. Well great, great, great, great grandfather. I'm sorry, great, great, great grandfather. Really a cotton gin gum? Yeah, really.

Just an race got every step. Yeah, yeah. All right, on that note, I think we're going gonna wrap it longer one, but this was a fun week, and we're gonna get fired up here again for the Florida swing, which somebody outside is very fired up about it. We're gonna wrap it there. That sounded like South Florida right there. Yeah, that was a shout out to the Haldi Clatic.

It kicks off the Florida swing, here we go. Exactly. All right, thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll see you soon. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

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