No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 198: Bay Hill Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

ESPN’s Kevin Van Valkenburg joins to discuss Francesco Molinari’s victory at the Arnold Palmer Invitational, Rory’s final round struggles, Tiger’s absence, Players Championship hype, theme music, 5th major talk, and a lot more. And of... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 198: Bay Hill Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Alright guys, we got a great podcast coming shortly. First off, I don't think this is gonna come as any surprise on what I'm about to say For Inchesco, Maulinarys first week as a Callaway staffer led the field in Strokes game off the tee with his epic flash Sub-Zero driver led the field in strokes game off the tee with his epic flash sub zero driver. Oh, and he just had what he called the best putting round of his life with his too long Madison Stroke lab putter. I've been using the the O works putter. I've got I've got a too long one sitting over there been hesitant to use it, but after seeing that I might have to at least at least try it out. I've been a little afraid to switch putters, but it might be time. He's also gaming in Epic Flash, Sub-Zero, Fairway Wood, Apex, MBIerns, MacDaddy, Four Wedges. So again, just to follow up on what was said on the most recent episode, when he said the golf ball is the best one he's ever played, I think it's fair to say he meant it, remarkable achievement

to win the first week after an equipment change. I think that speaks volumes for the quality equipment that he's using. Without any further delay, let's roll in. Kevin Van Volckerberg to wrap up from Bay Hill. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang-Up podcast. The guys are not here tonight. They are off at a concert.

So we called in the reliever, called in the righty, made the motion to the bullpen. Kevin Van Volckerberg, it's been a little while. It's been since the Ryder Cup. I think the first question people, people want answered is we need Gary players take on the European and it's taken over the leaderboard at the Arnold. Chris, thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

First of all, an exciting win for Frankie Mollinori and an exciting win for Callaway. You know they're going to be moving puddles off the shelves right in left. And he beat a 17 year old man, Matthew Fitzpatrick. He got to just be impressed. It isn't, I'm not particularly pleased with his fitness. It's got a little bit of a jelly tummy, Ricky hanging over his belt, but an incredible ballstacker. And I'm so happy for Frankie. Tuffy. Tuffy.

They fringesco Molinari, a woke European golf Twitter. I hadn't heard from them actually since the last time you were on the podcast and talk about the Ryder Cup. I think this should be my role. It's to come on every now and then and just get your Twitter ready to go again. They're kind of lied dormant. They're just enjoying their socialized medicine and you know, Quaint lives while we wither way and the throws of late capitalism and then now European terms is Twitter is back I'm I'm hoping that they're kind of playing a parody, but there were some questions of like all right

So now are you guys really gonna dominate the Ryder Cup for the next five years? Oh my god listen No one turns the page on the next Radar Cup faster than I did. And I was stunned at some of the things I was reading today. But no, yeah, obviously the whole landscape of golf has changed. That's one week at the Arnold Palmer invitation without a doubt. They're going to put rough all like at the Sanderson Farms

times share. I'm sure as a result of this, it's just you're going to see all kinds of firm and fast courses playing throughout the playoffs. That won't make the players upset at all. Today was the finish finish was not exciting. But for the actual finish that we, the finish was just way earlier than it was the end of the actual telecast. It was about two hours before Rory and Fitzpatrick made their way around. But

so yeah, it wasn't that exciting, but it was the Monari's putt leading up into it. And I the broadcast team, it was almost like they knew what was going to happen. They spent so long before that putt. And I know he was already in the lead, but they really did set it up really well. He drains it. And then Paul A. Hissinger says there's never been a bigger moment in his career. and then Paul Hezinger says there's never been a bigger moment in his career. I was like, I think Hezinger in that moment believed that that was true or that he just totally forgot that like this is the defending open champion. I want to chalk it up to like getting caught up in the moment and maybe he's referring to like specific PGA tour career. That's a big kind of leap to make, but I know he wasn't on the broadcast team now, but your new network also broadcasted that event less than like nine months ago, whatever it was. It literally wasn't like, it's the biggest moment in his FedEx Cup career.

You'll remember this FedEx Cup moment forever. Oh, I mean, that putt was, finally round 64, gained almost eight shots on the field Sunday. So I think, I mean, it's kind of an obvious question to ask. And you know, luckily the, and the post round interview, it was the second question that was asked. But how do you think this win affects him for next week for the players championship? Probably gives him some good confidence for the players.

You know, it's a, I'm sure he won't skip it now, you know? And, um, I don't know. I mean, it's talk about the answer to the question that nobody is asking. Like, literally nobody. Hey, we're also broadcasting this event next week, which really secretly, quadrally trying to sell it as the fifth major after years of saying that we weren't doing that. Could you just segue quickly into that event and talk about how, like, important it is for that, for your focus next week.

Well, we're going to do plenty of player stuff, but looking back at it now, I always kind of pisses me off when the other network, well, after somebody wins, we'll say, like, on this gets you in a Augusta, and I never really noticed the difference of how they don't do that when it's on NBC. It pisses me off, though. It's like, no, like winning a PGA Torven is a big ass deal to a lot of these guys. Yes, going to Augusta is a big part of kind of the benefits of that, but it's just so funny to me that they transitioned immediately to the play.

They don't even, like, you're not even allowed to mention the masters. Okay, we'll get to the player stuff. I don't, I don't, I really, all joking aside, I don't put any stock into the fact that there was a ton of euros at the top of the leaderboard actually meaning anything to you. Not really. Okay.

You know, Rive had like really good rough too and it's not as if like the euros were like dominating that, you know, that was a bunch of Americans in Rory who were sort of in the mix of that. I mean, I think you just get weeks where I think there might be something to say like if you combine crisp, you know, greens that you know, and hard shots where you got it, you're hitting long errands and hard rough that that might suit, you know, it might just sort of make the bombing gouging sort of harder to do but I don't think that like one sort of event can really, you can play that trend out that much further. I mean, like a bunch of dudes had a good week.

Like, you know, Keith Mitchell also had a really good week. He's not exactly like a stylist who like, you know, could sort of think his way around the European tour. He's a guy who just rips it off the tee every time. So I'm not sure those quite things quite hold up. Yeah, I mean, so we're not saying that Keith Mitchell is the best American player in the world right now. Clearly Keith Mitchell should be the captain of the next rider company because he could

get it done in whatever course they're going to play in Rome if they've even built it. All right, we got the most, almost all the questions we got were basically about Rory. So I'm ready to start talking about this. I've tried so hard to defend it. I feel like I'm bursting at the seams. Like I feel like I'm in an infomercial, you know where they have that like flex seal stuff where they smack it on the water leaks and everything.

Try to hold up all these leaks and they would defend it in a split. Yeah. Well he's fixed now, you better believe it. Well he finished T6. Now he's not even logging the top fives anymore. He's making me even harder for me to make these arguments. He's turning the wrong direction of solid.

He's not. This is really disappointing. Well, here's as I was kind of, you know, compiling a couple notes for this evening, I started thinking like, you know what used to be a quote unquote knock on Rory was all the back door top five finish he's had. And now he's going the other way. Which is worse, which way do people want it? You can't have it both ways. Like, you can't like fading into a T6 or a back door in a T6 or a back during a T6 are both just completely unacceptable results for Rory. Is that fair to say?

Yes, that's fair to say. I actually have some stats here. I came prepared. Yes, I love it. Yeah, thanks to Ben Cali of one of those gambling websites over there in Europe, I'm sorry that I can't remember it off the top of head. But he, so here is Rory in the final group since 2016.

These are his, okay. 74, 69. He won that one in the Irish open. Nice. 68. Second, finish second. 70. Delete, that was in the, like the Dubai thing.

74, spatic read. 70, ball and R beat him. 73 to JT, JT won Firestonestone, 74 to Tiger, 1 Tiger, 1 to Tour Championship, 72, the Tour Championship, 67, that was against DJ, and now 72 against Ballonari. So we're looking at kind of two years, almost of data there. Can we extrapolate anything for the fact that he only shot in the 60s? Was it three out of ten rounds there and one one time like I feel like I I'm always so torn because like is he's really one of my favorite athletes like of all time He's just such a thoughtful and insightful person, but I think that we would be doing like the listeners or whatever are the readers that I have

of disservice if we didn't sort of talk about the fact that like it seems like he needs an exorcism or something. It seems like whatever he had in 1415 where he could just throttle down and take over tournaments is just missing. And I don't know what it is and I don't know if we'll ever come back. I do know that I'm kind of tired of like reading the story that's essentially been written even by me.

That's like, Roy's got it figured out now. Yeah, Roy's, you know, this is, he's in a great place mentally, and he's talked of Brad Faxon, or he's talked to, you know, Bucho and Rukumwever, and he's got it, he's got it dialed in now. Like, until you do it, I just don't really want to hear it anymore.

You know what I think that could be working against Rory is that he's a bit too smart and that I think when he was really young, especially going up until he turned 25, he'd won four majors by the time he, before he turned 26, he was a bit young and dumb. I mean, he's got a smart guy. He's always been a smart guy, but didn't know his,

what's the word I'm looking for? Like the fact that it couldn't go his way. Like he just, he was tricked himself mentally into thinking that this is, you know, the way it's gonna be for me and when I get in contention, I'm gonna blow people away. And I think as he's matured, he just kind of has become more aware

of all the talent that is around him. And I don't he's maturity, just kind of has become more aware of all the talent that is around him. And I don't know if that makes sense, but it kind of is like, he doesn't seem to have that I can beat the world mentality anymore. It almost seems like his ceiling has lowered a bit. I'm not exactly sure how or why, but I mean, he's still obviously incredible, incredible, incredible golf. And I kind of wanted to, I don't like a serious question. Like, would you feel better about his play going into the players, of course?

Would you feel better if you had one win, but like let's sub out two of his top finishes for Miss cuts? Like, would you feel better about about his season? I don't think so, although it's interesting. He once said, I remember, because I was, like, was basically following him for like a year to do a big feature about him. He said, I've just I know that my game is going to be like win three times, mystery cuts. Like I'd rather have that than like the

bit finishing the top five a lot. And I wonder like if you read that quote to him now, what he would think. Like I wonder, I mean, you could flip it and look at the other way and say, if he had one win, it would sort of like give him the the shot of self confidence of like yeah I'm still the F and man like I could still freaking do this who cares if I miss the cut, you know at this this thing But I know I can throw darts and make pots when I need to and I just I remember when we were like kids I would you know when we were kind of just kind of learning golf, you'd hear like whether it was, you know, Venturi or, or January Miller are talking about like guys who had scars on like from like, mishandputs over the years and like, you know, that those mental, that mental thing kind of built up or time.

And what I think now is that like, we've seen like the whole entirety of Roy's career and we've seen those sort whole entirety of Rory's career and we've seen those sort of scars start to form. And it's like if the narrative is always like you can't figure out putting and every time you stand over a four footer and you shove it and two inches right, you can't help but like think and I think this is exactly what's going on with speed right now, like God shut up. I wish people would just stop talking about this.

And that's the kind of mental scars that like, you know, build up over time. And how do you, especially if you're a smart person, you're pretty intellectual, and you can't just kind of like go blank or go take it to black, I think, is what A's in your shirt talks about. How do you not think about all of that other shit swirling around you and just, you know, put and just trust

that it's gonna go in? I mean, I think people used to say, oh, when speeds can't put, like you can, he's not gonna be the same player and I used to sort of say, you know, screw that, you're so stupid, like it says a dumb take. And now I find myself a little bit like, oh yeah, I don't know, like did some of those scars

start to build up to the point where that is I was gonna feel that way? And even he is one of the best iron players in the whole world is that going to linger for a long time or is he gonna be able to find the thing that helps them kind of just make his mind go blank again? You know, I was thinking about this today and I don't want this to be taken too literally,

but kind of what you're just saying is something that somebody like Francesco Molinari does not have to deal with and that, and I don't get, don't mean this literally, but no one cares how Francesco Molinari plays. Like when he plays great, like that's wonderful and people celebrate, he's an incredible player, but if he plays poorly, like no,

he doesn't have to answer questions about it. It's not a worry, nobody's panic, there's no expectations on him, there's no one he's got to deliver for, he doesn't have to answer questions about it. It's not a worry, nobody's panic. There's no expectations on him. There's no one he's got to deliver for. He doesn't have to think about what will people say about me if I don't close this out. And that's something that guys like Rory and Speed all have to deal with at a totally different level.

And I have no possible idea of understanding how that affects your game at the top level. But I would have to think that when it's not going great, when it's not going your absolute best, it has to be a detriment to you. Totally. I used to say that about Brooks Keppka. Like he doesn't know how good he has it, like not having to answer interview questions

after shooting a 71. And for whatever you feel about Tiger, like like he for the entirety of his career Essentially 99.3% of the time stood up there after every round and answered questions about every little like Putt that wiggled or left or right like he he knew that like that was kind of his role in his part of the game And like he's seen already like in in Rory Speed's career where they didn't love that fact. Like, you know, Jordan shoots 74 or 75 at the US Open and he's furious and he doesn't want to talk to the press or whatever.

Like that's just part of the burden. And that's why I was a sort of joke about Kepp, because like, you know, he was complaining about it. I was like, all right, every major that I'm at, I'm gonna go up to him no matter what he shoots and ask him, what did you think about it today, whatever, because if you're that good of a player, that's part of the burden of it.

And then you realize how what a kind of like devil's bargain that is. They might give you a little bit more attention, but oh my god, every time it doesn't go great, like you still have to stand up and talk about it. That can be, it's like a mental cycle of misery. And again, that kind of goes back to Tiger Rooning Things Force. Tiger has dealt with that for every round for 20 years. And obviously handled

it better than maybe anybody in history. But that's like a superhuman level of dealing with it. And you know, as much as his longevity hasn't lasted on a major championship level, the fact that he has, you know, he's come back and wanted his 40s and had this super long career with some obviously some big gaps And it was some injuries. It says a lot. I mean Rory has not been able to he never reached full tiger And you know expectations or you know that kind of play which we weren't really counting on him to but he hasn't even been able to maintain the top level that he's reached at so Again tiger ruined everything for us. I think that contributes so much to this sports talk radio culture of

This winning thing being so so important Again, Tiger ruined everything for us. I think that contributes so much to this sports talk radio culture of this winning thing being so so important And we got a couple good questions about Jared Gowd just as if Roy's recent superb form encourages you Going into the masters or his inability to close these tournaments. Have you have you more concern for his chances to complete the career slam? I don't know. I don't I don't want to read too much into that, but again, I go back to like playing really well, honestly, for the Ferrois sake, like winning a bunch leading into the Masters would be the opposite of what he want. I'm sure he's trying to win these tournaments, but from it, he always talks about how he wants it quiet, he wants it quiet going into the Masters.

If he wins two events beforehand, it's not going to be quiet going into it. No, the expectations would be absurd. I was thinking, actually, this is kind of a little media insider thing, but so many of the guys at Augusta every year, they have to do the Tuesday press conference where they go in and they get questions from everybody for half an hour or whatever. It's convenient for the press to all have that and have a transcript of it. If that could be a worry this year, I'd be like, you know what, if convenient for the press to sort of all have that and have a transcribe it. If that could fire Roy this year I'd be like, you know what? I'm just if you want to talk to me you can meet me after my practice round under the big tree

Like out by the Miranda, but I'm not doing any presser this year like there's I've no no obligation for it I'm not a defending champion like there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to say no to that Just I want to keep it sort of casual and keep it like to share and so I'm happy to talk to you guys But I'm not gonna there and bear my soul and tell you like, yeah, I've, you know, he's someone pointed this out to me years ago and if you look back at the transcript, it's true. Every year that he comes to Augusta, he has some sort of like, you know, and this is especially true in the last four years, but ever since he sort of blew it in 10 or whatever it was

11, he has some sort of like a new mentality of like yeah, you know I've been like grinding over it so hard to share or yeah, you know actually I've I've not taken it that seriously sure. Oh, yeah, like I've got a mental coach. Yeah, I've got I've written really sort of working on my putty Yeah, I came here 10 times with my dad. Yeah, I didn't visit the course at all and it's like Dude like you're already down the weird rabbit hole of this like you can't keep sort of just like trying a hundred different things. Just don't even talk about it anymore. Just I know as a person in the media that that seems like absurd for me to say,

but for his sake, I think it'd be like, yeah, dude, it's like, I'm just not going there. I don't care if I'm, that's how I've always been, but now I'm not going to do it because it's not helping me. And it's not like he got you go into the masters with like a 50% chance of winning Tiger it is absolute best never win in with like an actual better than 25% chance of winning it. I know the odds state differently because that's heavily influenced by how much people bet on you and whatnot.

But like if you went straight by data, like Roy's never showed up with a greater than 10% chance of winning the master. So, like, imagine, I don't know what the comparison to that would be, but you can't change up your approach to it. And I know he probably feels like he hasn't played his best possible golf there, which, you know, if that means you have to change your approach to it, I support that, but just because you didn't win doesn't mean you have to change everything you do about it.

You may be able to take the same approach, same kind of repeatable approach, and learn and build off that, and learn the state of your game. I mean, it's all variables because you can take the same approach one year and be totally lost coming in the next year following that same approach. That's where I think two separate things. One, you busted what I was getting ready to say by citing all those bad scores in the final round that he said.

But like he walked into today, like when he woke up today, he had a per day to golf. He had a 25% chance of winning the golf tournament today. And I think people like look at the final pairing and look at, he wasn't even in the league going into it, but you know, when you have that many people up there and it's only a one shot exchange, people think that just the top player

is gonna run past people. But, and again, that percentage factors in his ability, the field he's going up against, the golf court, all that stuff, and it was a one in four chance that he would win today. And I know he didn't play great, but I think that's two separate things. Like, if he just shot 69 and he shot three under,

he still wouldn't have even made a play off. So, he just excites us. He makes us think that like, when he, when you look on the graphics and he's 50 yards past, Matthew Fitzpatrick. No, I know. And Fitzpatrick is occasionally still hitting it inside of him.

You're just like, why aren't you converting more of these things? And that's what's, that's why people, that's why like all this conversation is about Rory, not Monari, not Fitzpatrick, not Raphka Barrow. So it's like, it seems like he should be able to, he has the skills to convert more of these things.

And that's why the potential for him was always so high. Like everyone just thought, like, oh my god, like how is this 59 kid out here just ripping the ball, like, and making, hitting the kind of like towering shots that Tiger could eat. Well, why can't he do the other part? And the truth is, is that tiger was a freaking superhuman. Yeah. And so like, yeah, like you were, you might be able to do some of the things the tiger could do, but that's not what made tiger great. Like tiger was great because he could convert all that kind of stuff. And so I think our expectations have always been a little bit out of whack, but you know, I think I feel

Ver would still be amongst the five players or so that I would say with most likely to win the Masters. The thing about, I think we've even talked about this, probably literally on this podcast before, is he doesn't need to put that great to win the Masters. Like everyone, like putting is sort of neutralize there because it's so freaking hard. And so if he played fairly safe and well and hit to the middle of every one of those greens and birdied all the par-fives and threw an eagle in there and you know limited its bogies, he'd be right in it. And all you got to do to really be, you know, to win it is to be in it come Saturday afternoon and Get hot at the right moment and he's had some rounds where he's kind of gotten hot at the right moment. It's

It's just he doesn't have to like figure out putting before the masters He just has to kind of get the combination of luck and not making dumb mistakes like Years ago when he was like left in the trees at 11 was like, let me hit a hard hook around the corner here, see if I can bounce it off the mound into the middle of 11 green. That's probably not a particularly smart play. I love it though, listen, I'm a little... I mean, I can't resist in my own game, but I have the election, Rory. I think an important distinction that you just made there too is,

again, we're not comparing Rory to Tiger, but the way that you know Rory coming after Tiger just screwed up our curve for what we expect in somebody. You know like even if you're not going to be Tiger we need you to be this and it's right now I would say it's I think he would even agree he's fallen short of what he thinks his full potential is. So also per data, he is number one on the data golf trend index, which indicates how many strokes better or worse a player has performed in relation to the field in their last 20 rounds.

So as much as the results haven't totally followed, he is trending, they would say. Keith Buckout asked, well, one of you guys let Ashley Bongeo-V, know if that Rory is deceased because the poor girl will be heartbroken and she deserves to know. That was a shining moment in going through the Twitter replies today.

Why? Yeah. Someday, I feel like there should be, like, you know how sports literature does that poster where it's like they cut out a little piece of every college basketball player, every and sibling thing. There should be like a no-ling up origin's poster that has like, you know, like Panther Mike, and I got the money.

You know, KVB doing the game, player impression. Oh, man. It's all part of the origin story. We still plan to do a podcast, and hopefully this week on just all the stupid dumb inside jokes that we have over the years Just to just to catch anyone up if you've ever if you ever lost as a while We call you host loud and uncle juiced like they were gonna explain all that so I forgot to mention the top Banty Fitzpatrick gets zero FedEx cut points for today since he's not a PGA tour member So that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool

On the big cat on the know the big cat Was him missing this week a big deal to you? Um, I thought it was a little strange. Um, why would I don't know, obviously he kind of decided I'd want to play enough tournaments to share whatever to get into the playoffs. I don't even know why that really matters, but I would think that someone at the PG-Tor is probably begging him, like, please don't just play like Ted Tertiman so she'll like, please, you know, be here for a long haul. But you know, if his neck is really just kind of sore and he just feels like you can't do it, it was weird that I think he didn't talk to the press the last two days in Mexico

and then kind of pulled out of this. It's a golf, it's the golf TV era. Yeah, that's, that to me is, here I'm gonna switch, I'm gonna completely flip off in one thing where I think Roy shouldn't reveal as much himself and then complain that Tigers are only talking to his like state sponsored media, this in-house media thing.

I don't know, I mean, we'll see how he looks this week I suppose, but I, what is him playing this week? What does he have to prove? Like, to be exactly to rack up a ninth win here at the ball marina, is he really feel like he needs to? I mean, it was maybe different when he was living in Orlando, I was like, so I was talking to Justin Reed at one point, I'm walking around the rounds

and she was like, I was like, oh, that putt so hard on 18, she was like, yeah, let's give him a tiger mate at all the time because he lives like two blocks away. You could see the course all the time. I was like, oh, yeah. He just goes out in the dark and reads that putt. It was pretty sweet comment. I was like, yeah, that bet tiger totally

sneaks out of here late at night. Just plackers that putt throwing that. I actually heard from a very credible source that Tiger does not even like Bay Hill. I know that sounds absolutely insane, but he doesn't even like the golf course. You know, I actually wrote down that, like, I've actually changed my mind since I wrote this down that I thought him missing this event was a big deal. Since he's won it like 75 times and he skips the Honda because he wanted to play this one.

And I look back at him and I'm like, honestly, what does like winning this event or doing well in this event do for him? If he's feeling slightly less than healthy, he's assuming he's playing this week, he just wanted to be a little bit better shape for the players. He's going to, you know, put the clubs up or get back on the grind session and try to peek for a gust. Like it really doesn't matter for him this event. I know he's won it. And I know it used to be a hometown event for him, but I really, I've changed my mind on it. I don't think it was a big deal that he missed so if there was no such thing as like the FedEx Cup playoffs and you just could play whatever he wanted and there was no like minimum tour requirement I really wonder how often we would see Tiger play every I mean

I they'll hold like well I got to get reps and tournament speed and all that stuff, but like you know I'd to be honestly like you're if you're playing with a tiger and you're like exempt in like 80 different ways and you're never how you could get a sponsored invite into literally anything you wanted, like, what would make you really want to play like some of the regular sort of stuff, you know, like, there's, there's plenty of NFL players who basically like, I'm sitting out the first four or four weeks of season because that's not what matters. And I, it's, a little bit surprises me that he isn't more like that. And that's plenty of NFL players who basically like I'm sitting out the first four weeks of season because that's not one matters And I it's a little bit surprises me that he isn't more like that And that's kind of probably sideways a little bit like Phil saying like what is the point of me playing the players other than like The pressure internally from the tour to say like you need to play our biggest event like it's

Phil saying I don't want to like develop and dumb bad habits of like, you know Before I go to Augusta because that's what really matters to me I've won the players. It's not gonna do anything for my legacy Why would I want to do this like again and screw myself up in some way? It might if it gets shifted to a major which we're gonna get to here this What do we what do we kind of feel about where this event stands in the game? I don't know in general. It's a conversation every year of like, you know, do enough players show up to support this, to support Mr. Palmer.

Has anything changed in the way you view it over the last few years? Not really. I think that it's still, you know, a sort of, I guess a event held in high regard. I mean, all of that kind of like, what tears this event and how important this is the event, like, oh, that's kind of like a made up thing in our heads, right? Because it really matter, you know, as long as the event still exists, I mean, you know,

it's not a WGC, it's not a major, it's not, you know, a playoff event. There are all these categories now that we were sort of shuffling this stuff into Does it really matter like if if it's not seen as quite the having the sort of prestige that it wanted once did? I don't know. I mean it winning the winning it is a big deal the purse is a big deal and it's a hard course to win It's not like any sort of you know Nuclehead can come out here and just sort of steal one. So I think I'm okay with where it is. I mean, people still, I do think a little bit that it's hard maybe for our generation of golf fans to really grasp just how important Palmer was to like the

building of the actual PGA tour and like the sort of, you know, barnstorming of America that these guys did basically to build up sponsors and why. The reason why all these tournaments exist and why they're all non-profits so that they can funnel money in a different way. You can tie a lot of that into the Palmer and the love of corporate America of him and why the tour exists the way it does. And so I think it's important for if you're someone who makes a shitton of money on the

tour to understand that Arle Palmore was a huge part of your ability to live a really good life. And I often wish in the covering NFL that the NFL players had a greater appreciation for the guys who had to work construction in the off season so that they could still make a living as football players and they formed unions that were able to get collective bargaining to be part of it. You want to maybe throw some money in for their health care and long run. So it's the same kind of thing.

If you value your standard of living now, you want to pay some homage to the people who made it possible in the past. Yeah. How many, two questions here? How many mixtures are there in the game of golf? And how many also are currently playing in this generation? But we haven't gotten old enough yet that they'll be called Mr. Oh my gosh.

Like is Tiger going to go by Mr. Woods in his later years? No way. Can you even imagine like what are people really gonna show up to? Like, you know, our Roy's kids gonna show up to Riven be like, well, Mr. Woods here is really gracious host. I really hope he can still break Jack's record, you know, he's 61, but you never know. Mr. Mikkelsen, will Phil Mikkelsen ever be like a Mr?

I think I could see that. Who was the first, we were talking about this today a little bit in the kill house. Who was the first Mr. of golf? I think I think it's Bobby Jones. Nobody was like Mr. Old Tom Morris. I mean, there was a reason why there's a young and old and funnier names. But can can heroes be Mr. There seems like more of Sir. fun. Yeah, their names. But can can heroes be mischievous? There seems like more of sir. Sir, yeah.

Do people go up to Fowl though and are like Sir Nick? Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure they do. Absolutely. Except for it, unless you're the drunk guys that we saw on to the 2006 Memorial, I read a putting green just yelling, Hey, Fowl, no, hey, Fowl, no, come over here. The twist being it was actually Nick Price that was putting in the price, I said, price, turn, I said, dude, I'm Nick Price. Like I'm not found out. I was always taught in journalism

that you shouldn't address like a coach as a coach. Like you should just say their name. Like, so when I cover the Ravens, I used to just say, hey, John, to John Harbaugh, like, do you have a sec? Cause, and you slip up sometimes cause coach is just sort of a natural thing, but it gives them sort of an elevated sense of power

that if you're trying to look at it from the perspective of like, hey, you have your job and I have mine, where essentially equals, then you're seating that power immediately by saying, hey, coach, because he's not my coach, or whatever. And so, I don't know, I mean, golf has sort of a weird elevated, like gentlemanliness to it. And so I certainly, I don't know, I mean, golf has sort of a weird elevated, like, gentlemanliness to it.

And so I certainly, I don't think I would go, hey, Jack, you know, if I saw Jack Nick was. So you're saying, if Jack ever comes on this podcast, I could just greet him with a, yo, Jay, money, what's good? Well, I, I crashed that, like me here. I am, well, that's not good. I laid up a lot during my career and I really thought it paid off dividends I need obviously did differently, so you know, so I have the majors that I do and he had the ones handed

Could you do all all the big three? That's two out of three of the of the big three that you got I've never even thought about how to do our own polymer. Yeah, yeah I'm not gonna make you do that on the spot One last thing I'll be here on the transitions into the next topic I wanna discuss, but I think they got a pretty raw deal out of the new schedule, all these kind of crammed events.

In that regard, one, this is kind of has that elevated status. It's got the three year exemption on tour instead of two. It's got the money. It's got the same kind of status as the memorial does. Isn't it kind of a dick move to be showing guys warming up and arriving at TPC during the Sunday of an actual golf tournament and actual event? 100%.

Like, who cares? Like I really, I got to see like, who is it that they were showing? As somebody that absurd, I think, who we were texting about. It's like, who, like I care about, you know, somebody going through their warm up routine on the range at sawgrass? Like, it's like, I can't, it's so unbelievably forced. Like, imagine, imagine caring about the players arriving at TPC.

Like, I honestly wouldn't watch like footage of them arriving to Augusta. Why the hell would I actually care About them arriving at TPC and like I know again this it it sounds like a dumb thing to to focus on or care about but like People dedicated Resources time money all that goes into setting up video and like all the reasons that people say so much can't happen with a broadcast Like think about this is what they're willing to do. They're willing to send, I know it's a home game, but I've sent camera crews out there

to TPC. You got to pay these people to do that and pay to run the equipment and like submit all these, you know, the transmissions for this. For, it's not even tournament we get. What the hell is going on? Here they come, the driving down the va of 100 meter Boulevard, pulling in past the fountains. There's a Chili's, the Jacksonville on the, on to the left.

This is some of the players will have a meal throughout the week. What a majestic sight it is. Like how many times have you seen them pull down PGA tour Boulevard? Just like Magnolia Lane. I know we're going to, like, I know it's fun to make fun of the players now. It sucks because it is a really great tournament. I'm looking forward to going this week. And I'm glad it's back in March,

but oh my God, this being jammed down your throat is again, it's so representative of everything we talk about and how the Hardcore Golf fan, which is most listeners of this podcast, are just so ostracized by absolutely everything and just need to be spoon fed everything. And like, again, we kind of touched on it, like no mentions of the masters at all on the telecast today, which is without one single doubt, a directive from the tour. And like you might say, it doesn't matter.

And it might actually not, but it's not how anyone in the real world talks. And that just means you're getting spoon fed. Like we all get excited about the masters. No one truly gets excited for the players other than the tour. Like I'm looking forward to it, but I'm not truly excited about it.

I just don't, I mean, maybe this is why people go to school for marketing and they figure out how to do this stuff. And maybe this is why people go to school for marketing and they figure out how to do this stuff And maybe this is why like some of it still feels forced is because you can't learn this kind of shit in school But like you can't make something like happen unless it happens organically Right, if it has if the players hasn't become You know what you most want it to be by now. It's probably not gonna happen. It's just You can't keep sort of pretending like, oh, you know, we're sort of,

we're not really trying to make it a major while you're hiring an orchestra to have it some theme song and you're sneaking it into the graphics and be like, and you have like guys on the golf channel being like, well, you know, this is just a really great sleet into the five majors, you know, it's like, there are not five majors. Oh my god It's what it would be wait. What did you make of the of the theme song and the the rollout?

Well, first of all we can definitely declare that the the old joke of oh my god Is that so-and-so's music? That's officially dead because the player is Twitter account use that And that was one of my favorite with go-to's too. It's a few years all of it. I officially has to go into retirement. Well, eventually you live long enough to be the hero or you live long enough to see your own jokes, turns back at you by being fear your audience.

I can't decide if it was brilliant because now they're clearly gonna jam this theme song down our throat So I mean the what other reason would you have for rolling it out and Everything they've done for it, but now I do actually notice the theme song now when they go well first of all is like every 20 minutes for commercials And today's broadcast, but yeah, I can't wait to see how much they're gonna they might instead of like you know The announcer's usually talking over player, Cady Convos, they might play the theme song over some of the conversations on the ground this week.

I mean, I went to that cost. You'd had, you know, hiring all those like, musicians had to cost $100,000 some dollars. Like, you tell me that that, yeah. I mean, it's, yeah, it is, but like that is kind of a normal thing to do, right? I mean, like every kind of major, like Sunday night football's got a theme. Like I'm sure a lot of money goes into that.

I actually don't have that much of a problem with it. It's just the fact that it's like, here, here's, here's what it is. Here instead of it just being like, again, it's very representative of the tournament instead of just letting it be what it is and just playing the theme song for it. It's like, all right, let's, but again, I also feel like it's working. It's working. But I think it's working because we're talking about it and now people are gonna notice it So all right, so what the hell is going on with all of this major stuff? You touched on it just now I don't even want to give like credence to it because it's I feel like it's like the

Almost in my lifetime like one of the oldest golf debates ever is like is the players the next major How is this gaining steam? How is this like an act? Is this an actual thing? Are we are we seriously talking about this? I don't know. My feeling is like if if we do want to have a discussion about this, fine, but there's no like grandfathering in of old major with at one single down. If you say to like if if my hand got on the on the on the mic on Monday and it was like we've decided that this is a major it's the deepest field in golf and we will consider

a major going for it's gets a 10 year exemption on tour and blah blah. Then like what would there be to stop him first of all like the majors as a made up thing anyway. There's no like governing body that overseas. There's no no you're wrong. So that would be such a power move by Monand if he did it. But like I don't know like what there's no like thing. Well then Ricky has a major now.

No like it starts now. Like that's what you have to do in that sense. There's no like going back and saying well Jack now has three more and Tiger has two more like nope like it starts now. Like at some point, the US amateur was no longer a major. And so like we didn't take Bobby Jones as a way, we just said like going forward, you don't get accounts for a major of this. But at the time, that was the major. So you get credit, Bobby Jones gets to keep the British amateur and the US amateur as part of his major total. So that's where I think this debate is a little bit silly.

Does Craig Perks as a major? No dummy. Craig Perks is not a fucking major. What about Fred Funk? Are you kidding me? All right Fred, you get half a major. We did get a question for Brad Burling. He said, is there a statute of limitations? Like can we go back a certain amount of years and give people majors for it? I think the burden on Brooks Capka has never been heavier than it is this week. We will know whether or not it's a major if he decides to try this week. Well, all he needs to do is get really pissed off about his tea time or whatever.

And that no one interviews him and all of a sudden he's going to totally like show up on Sunday, win this major. If Anhel Cabrera shows up and wins this thing, done deal, Jay, you can have your major, like it is all yours, all right, it is a, it is the fifth major, it can comfort two majors for all I care if that's the case. I still think, I really, like it would be such a power move if like Tiger was like, well I consider this a major, So I therefore have 15. And because you know that it would ignite this huge debate, all these people would be like,

I think Tiger's right. I think it does count as a major. The field is way deeper than Nicholas says. So Tiger has 15 majors now. Like, the major job is over. And what would there be to stop him? Who would be like, no, there's no one to appeal to. The sports writers are the ones who made this shit up.

Anyway, so like, if Tiger wants to call me up, and be like, can you support me? If I say the players is major, I'll be like, yeah, Tiger, that's it. Give me a round of Blue Jack National, we'll do that. Who says the media has been compromised in this era? Tiger is the one guy that I think could shift it, but this is taking like, embrace debate just too far.

I feel like it's just debate of debating it. And I get that it's a really strong field and it's an event that players do take more seriously than a regular PGA tour stop. But man, I just, I don't mean to be a curmudgeon about it, but I like my majors the way they are. And I get that the majors have changed over history. And I'm not like the most versed in why they've changed,

but correct me if I'm wrong. The reasonings for the seemingly reasons for why it changes is because of like true different eras in golf. Like post-World War II is a different era in the game of golf. And like the PGA, I don't get on the full history, but talking the PGA between going match play,

to stroke play and all that, but this doesn't feel like a new era of golf. Like a reason like we're not at a stopping point of like, oh, we have to make a fifth major else the game is gonna die. I don't know what that really does. So I agree it's kind of arbitrary what's a major and what's not.

And but like I don't see a reason to change that. Yeah, I just like that for 60 years or whatever it's been since I'm a master started in 35 or 34 or whatever. So I guess it's like seven years that you get four chances every year and that's it. And if you throw a fifth into that, I think it's sort of, it waters it down a little bit to me. Like, I want, I want there to be four chances. There's four chances in tennis, there's four chances in golf. If you go blank in a year, then you got to wait the whole count a year to come back. And that's what makes the masters so exciting. And so fun is that we've been sitting around waiting

since the last major for eight months. And now, like now that's why the Masters is the hardest one to get in the sort of impregnable quadrilateral, as they say, that you have to think about it for the longest time. You got two weeks between the US Open and the British and no one cares about the PGA, but you have to think about the Masters for eight freaking months if you don't win it. And that's why I want to say where it is. That's a really good point. And no one loves a really strong flex more than a gust it does. Like, what could they flex on the tour?

I'd be like, you're not doing that. Like, what could they threaten them with? Or what would, I'm just curious, like, how that would work. But I think they would literally say, well, you know, you're not doing this, but how could they actually stop them? It's kind of like the political primaries

where like New Hampshire and Iowa basically say, we're the first two primaries. So do you think you're gonna move a primary out of us? You're dead raw. No, I guess we'll not have. We'll move it up a year if we have to. The masters is now contested in January. What do you make of Phil's weird flex

of going to the event before deciding if he's actually gonna play, going to the course today to see if he's actually going to play it. I think there's another example of Phil being kind of like bored with life and just needing to create your drama to keep himself interested. Like, you know, he's, well, there'll probably be like some helicopter thing, you know, where he's got to fly from this to that. And, you know, Kenny, he's got a corporate commitment on Tuesday.

And so he used to fly helicopter in and get a Tuesday time or something like he just needs that little edge. It's like the gambler who's bored and he's like all right what's you know it's the guys and dollars thing. Let's bet on cockroaches racing because there's of course racing isn't as fun anymore. So that's the flip failures like ah maybe I'll play and then if he with by some like by hooker croak if he wins he's like oh yeah like I ah, maybe I'll play. And then if he, if by some, like by hook or croak, if he wins, he's like, oh, yeah, like I just, you know, I really wasn't sure I was gonna play here, wasn't really feeling it and then all of a sudden

things just clicked for me, you know, but now it's like, he's gonna play and he probably won't do that well because it's just not a course that fits him really well. And he's, if he wants to skip it fine, like I'm sure the hundred and twenty six player who's on the list would love to be in. There's like 80 reasons why the players isn't a major. One of them is the fact that Phil might skip it, although he did skip to US Open in

Aaron Hills. So remember that, like, didn't some guy skip the PGA too? Like, did I have Scott skip the PGA? Like, the Westwood skip the PGA. That's not like unheard of. Yeah. Like the thing like that's what. You know how you know it's really not a major?

Is it was 95 degrees last year and he showed up in a long sleeve shirt just to flex his new sponsor and he did not care about the cult tournament at all. And you know how you also know it's not a major that we keep getting emails confirming players for this event. It's like, okay, guys, we know. And they've ran a promo, again, going back to them kind of screwing over Bay Hill.

They ran a promo for the players with Tiger featured, like as the guy on the, I mean, I know he's, he's committed to the event and hasn't withdrawn, but like he didn't play this week because of an injury, like he could withdraw, he could technically withdraw from the players from everything we've heard he is going to play, but like he's not even for sure a go. You skipped the Bay Hill tournament. They're like promoting him for the next week. That just also made me, I have no ties to Bay Hill. They would make me on this unreasonably upset, but it's somehow dear.

He must have like winked whispered to them behind the scene or something. I guess it would be as pretty like enormous gaff if he was like Oh, yeah, definitely not playing the players and they were just like all right promote tiger anyway We just we need this man. I think the tour went full. What's that guy's name from the fire fest documentary Andy the the guy that wasn't willing to I think they went to tigers like what do we have to do to get I think they went to Tigers like what do we have to do to get you to play the players? And I went in there fully prepared. So I know we're supposed to wait till after the players to start thinking about a gust of which I actually think is kind of fair and I try to wait as long as possible but today

was actually the first that I really started to think of it. I don't know what that doesn't mean anything in particular But now it's like starting to get into that time frame where it's it's time to get your game figured out and I know Jordan Speedway wasn't playing this week, but he hasn't had you know literally zero good finishes leading up into it And I think this is this is the time frame when it's time to stop Asking the question like should we be worried about somebody like if they're not playing well at this point Then we should be worried about them if they are well, then that's obviously a good sign. So, but this is getting to that time period

where it's time to start thinking about it. So, got a few Twitter questions for you. Okay. Brad, Bachman is asking, what does Gary Player think of Fitzpatrick's ability to read a putt while doing a plank and could Gary give his opinion on what could happen if Kierdeck adds this to his repertoire

heading into Augusta. First of all, I'm very impressed that Matthew Fitzcudrick was able to fit in his putting routine in the midst of preparatory school because it's clearly his I think his peck him is being about a six year hog horse this year and he's his fabulous young man but I'm not sure he shaves more than twice a week. What happened if Curedeck tried this at Augusta? Oh dear God. I mean, first of all, there's a reason that they have the heating system underneath the grounds. So it says his Curedeck's belly sweat gets on the greens. I can dry it out right quickly. Curedeck's belly sweat. I'm sure Dexbelly sweat gets on the greens. I'm happy to clean this up. People should read the fine print. But the contract stated there was clearly a certain level of physical fitness

required. How can you complain? You didn't get your master's experience. When you were too fat to fit in the false bottom of a large laundry bin, we planned to drive through the service entrance. Listen, when I first played the British equipment as he'd undruse, I slipped on the beach the night before. I had the heart of a champion. How can you say you want to go to the masters, and then say you won't help dig a tunnel from the basement of the publics across the street that goes under Beckman's road, and leads to a trap door in Clifford Robertson's cottage. It's a disgrace! My young man provided all the way to get in and people just complained.

No idea what the hell just happened. What is this story about the alleged fake tickets? I guess his son sold a bunch of passes to the masters. I was like, oh, I'm running this sort of like, essentially, like, fire festival. Whatever that fire festival guy's name is. He was selling tickets to, like, Nix Games or whatever. So this is like a similar kind of deal.

Like, game player's son did like this. Like, hey, you get a weekend with, you know, at the masters and you get to beat Gary Player and all this stuff. And then these people showed up in Augusta and like, Gary Player's son was nowhere to be found. And like, he basically just kept their money. This is like being alleged in the lawsuit against him. And he got charged with like a felony for the thing. And I didn't see anywhere where Gary commented on it. So I just took the liberty of making up a story. for the thing. I didn't see anywhere where Gary commented on it, so I just took the liberty

of making up for it. You heard it here. You're breaking Muscredit NOU podcast for the first official quote. I actually don't know the answer is I don't know if you will either, but Kyle Jensen asked why the broadcast doesn't ever touch on equipment. It was a huge win for Moanaari with new equipment in the bag and he wished the broadcast would touch on it. If it's compelling to the tournament, which it was this week. I assume it's like you just, you can't, it would just really muddy the waters if, you know, as far as equipment companies

getting their names mentioned on the air, if you could like pay announcers to mention on the air. And so, a safe assumption, I actually don't know the technical rule, or if they all have an agreement with each other, not to do it. Do you have any insight on that? I would bet that essentially that the,

like say NBC is wants to say, like, look, if you want your name mentioned on the broadcast, you're gonna pay for that. You're gonna buy a commercial money because we're not just gonna like get around. Like we have, because let's say that, you know, they were really like growing about Callaway stuff, which

on art using, and this new Stroke Lab putter, they've got that's a two on whatever Stroke Lab putter, and you made like 150 foot of putts, whatever. We'll say that they were just talking about that, like crazy, and title-ists is like, wait a minute, why are we paying millions of dollars to have Scotty Cameron ads on this if you're just

talking about Kelly putters or whatever, we're just going to basically like pay Francisco Mallnari that money and we're not giving any of that money to NBC because that's you know that can be like Viagra ads or retirement commercials or like fucking work day software or whatever. So but I think that's probably but if you're Jim Nance and you would, hey, if you would like me to voice over your titleist commercials, I could do that as well, though that that's clearly my line gets drawn. That makes it.

It's probably an informal thing, but like I, you know, obviously it's like a guy, it seems like there was some, when a guy doesn't play well with new equipment, they certainly talk about it, right? Like, you know, when the guy makes a switch and it's like a huge deal that they were like, oh, he's really having trouble adjusting in these new tidalist

hires. Are these new Nike driver? But yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just because he's not like a marquee sort of player, just being a foreigner and stuff that they're kind of weren't kind of really going to harp on it as much. But it does seem like it's a deal, right? Yeah, I did forget to ask you. Have you listened to the new Rory McElroy podcast? I did not. Okay. Hi, I was unclear.

At first, it was behind a paywall and I, there's only so many things I will pay paywall. I guess it's free, but I used to watch a TRL a lot in high school, and I feel like Carst Daily seems like a good guy, but I've kind of grown out of that. I'm not really sure what he offers to the golfing world in terms of expertise for interviewing Rory, but... So, it's a riddle me this. Yeah.

If you are creating something called golf pass and you are the golf channel is your strategy to Bring a bunch of Carson daily fans into the game like is is Are people craving are the Carson daily fans craving so much more Carson that they're gonna pick up a new sport and tune into and pay for the content. I don't, I'm absolutely befuddled. This is golf getting in its way again. I listen to it and I think Rory is as brilliant as ever and I just want to hear him talk and I could do it every week and every month or whatever they're gonna do it. And honestly, I, Carson Daly might be

getting paid per interruption because it was just like People will have to make the joke of people getting paid by the word And it was by interruption and as as a podcast host I it drives me absolutely nuts and it's first episode and people you know that is I wouldn't want to be judged on our first episode And you know there's a lot of chance for evolving, but I'm just like, man, this is a past deal. He's been doing this for 20 years, though. Like he's been interviewing me over 20 years.

This is not like, this is his first tango in the game. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it was, it was quite frustrating to me. And if that's kind of, you know, Roy talked about that being like his use of his way, he's going to do media now. And I'm like, man, I hope that's just disappointing. Especially if a lot of that stuff is gonna be behind a paywall. I don't really still quite understand how the podcast is gonna work. But the people...

I mean, what makes me mad is like, Roy's got more money than he could ever spend in a lifetime. Ever. So someone is convinced him in this sense like, hey, you should do this podcast the Carson Daily because we could sell it and we could get it, you know, you can make $10 more million with golf channels, part of this, whatever. And where is part of the guy?

Oh, okay, yeah, sure, you know, I guess. I mean, I don't know. What does another $10 million mean to me? You know, and maybe it's the sense of like he would rather just control the content in the sense of like, well, I don't want to be asked any question that I'm uncomfortable with. And so we're going to have these kind of things where it's essentially like sponsored content. And you know, for a great, and that's fine, I guess, but it's a bummer to me because it's sort of Rob's big game of, you know, one of its most authentic voices.

And I'm sure someone out there is going to say, oh, you're just mad because you're not going to do the L.U. podcast anymore. Like, well, I don't know that that's truly might, but I'm a little bit about that. But you're the one that told them not to talk to the media ahead of Augustus. I don't know what you're getting out of there. But he did, he did touch on it. How the appeal of doing things on a podcast, which I think is why he's one done this podcast in the past and done others. And while a lot of players continue to do it, it's like people hear the conversation, they hear the context and it's not like headlines being made about what happened and things kind of taken out of context

and made people choosing 20% of what he said to make it sound more appealing. I totally subscribed to that. And like if he had, honestly, if he had his own podcast and there was somebody there that just like facilitated the conversation I would listen to it. They'd be the first thing I would download. So It's a little just a little bit kind of it again It harps back to just what is representative of golf problems in general of like trying to be something

It's not I mean we we're I just can't imagine like this is gonna go draw more people into it because Carson Daly's co-hosting it. But that's just such a marketing scam. It's someone who's saying, this will bring younger listeners in to whatever. And it's like, no, even if Nile Horan was posting the podcast, that would make more sense from a perspective of like, we're trying to bring new listeners in whatever, because all the new direction people would like,

and Dingwood might download it for just a juiced abuse. Is it all the direction? Wait, did I say all the new direction people would like, and Dingle might download it for like, just to juice the views. Is it an old direction? Wait, did I say old direction? No, I said, oh, it is new direction. Sorry, I thought it was old direction. You said new, sorry, I don't know. I don't know.

I was like, you with it. Yeah, see, maybe this would make me a new direction fan. I actually do agree with you. Like, they're buddies and like, that would be kind of more interesting than, I don't know, I don't know if they had a previous relationship. Again, it might improve, but I don't know if it goes behind a paywall at some point

or whatnot, but kind of a tough spot. It's hard to critique other podcasts. It's kind of a, you can, no matter what, you're gonna come off a little bit but hurt, but I just think that he's a brilliant guy to listen to and I really enjoyed listening to him on that episode and I was getting very very frustrated by it. So a couple of last, a couple shout out tweets that we saw Brian Evans and how can NBC golf channel give Fitzpatrick credit for being a Northwestern guy on their college leaderboard. He was there for a fall semester. That was that just maybe laugh.

And then I made a joke today on Twitter. It was like, is it possible that Bryson played rounds longer than Fitzgerald was at the poster? Like, it's just connection, but he has to question, like, Hey, I admire it. Like, you maybe that was what you felt was really like great for your time, your life. But like, that I always tease my, one of my friends, who's the golf rider in Chicago to ruin about how he like covers mass fispatrick like a local. Like, what? Like, who would Chicago? I would Chicago is like oh I feel really connected And then Tom Hobb said do you this is the I actually bookmarked this one Do you still think the US will dominate the writer cup in the coming years? That was just picking that was picking one of the many buttes we got so well dominated in America

I'm gonna dominate in wistening straights when there's you know we're able to I don't know be put the rough all the way out in the ocean. I think it might be time to pump the brakes a bit on the cam champ for rider cup captain. So that was that was ugly. So he flew a little bit close to the sun. Yeah. All right, KVV, thanks for joining on a Sunday night and we always appreciate your insights and thanks to thanks for making me laugh so hard I sweat sweat a little bit really well if there's a subair that's clean up your sweat your belly sweats ending it on that kvv thanks as always man cheers That's the right club. Be the right club today.

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