No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 205: WGC-Match Play Recap

Episode Date: April 1, 2019

We break down a busy week in golf, from the Dell Technologies Match Play, Kisner’s triumph, formats, Tiger/Rory, the Sergio/Kuchar feud, and a lot more. We take voicemails from listeners on topics such as PGA... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 205: WGC-Match Play Recap appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. right into that. Shout out to group of Selenis. Yes, you know, that's what it was. It was group of Selenis, the group of Selenis. Really, really bucking their heads on the commercials this weekend. I think this might have a hostile takeover of this WGC, which I kind of thought they

were maybe sponsoring this for a little while. I was like, wait, it's like I've seen more group of Selenis commercials than I have Dell technologies. And we saw Bernard from Westworld, schlepping all the Dell technologies, which is kind of, kind of, jarring. Did they mess with Texas? I don't think we can confirm or deny that. I didn't notice that, but I can't deny it either.

I think that weekend might be like the most golf played professionally in one weekend. Match plays so much golf. Yeah, there's another PGA tour event. Champions tours happening this weekend, LPGA tour, web tour and European tour all had events in one Web I said web you said web. Yeah, I don't forget the web Sorry web only had one event. Sorry We want to do interest people as get pissed that we don't yeah, that's fine. This is how you are of course I'm DJ people know who Tron is T.C. C.

So that's why I don't think we need to do it, but let's look now We did our due diligence. Big, big Randy's over in the couch. He's been on vacation all week out in big sky, skiing a little bit. Good to see him let it tear down. He came back and just lit up the USGA and just went right back up to his room. So good to have the big guy back in the house. But Kevin Kizner has won the WGC match play.

G-Mac wins in the Dominican Republic.. Eaked out Tony Romo down there. The big homie Julian Surrey let one slip away in India. That one hurt a little bit. That was a tough way to wake up. Tough way to wake up too. A quad on the back nine in the end of losing by three. Steven Gallagher wins out there. Dan McCarthy wins on the Web Tour. The Red Star. The McCarthyism going out on the Web Tour. Dan McCarthy wins on the web tour. The red star McCarthy is going out on the web tour. Smoking it's shout out to Smoking Scotty.

Yeah, runner up a lot to cover here. Gonna get some questions, listen to voice mails as always or as is always for the last couple of months, which has been a lot of fun. We're going to kick it off talking a bit about WGC Kevin Kisner. The good prevails over evil in the final. Is Kooch official? According to some. Well, we'll get to the whole quick raking thing.

I think we maybe have a difference of opinion on how all that shook out. Toronto wants to ride for poor misunderstood Sergio. No, not even with the ketchup break here. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull it. Don't pull I mean, like it really felt kind of by Saturday morning there. Like it was going to be Kisner or Molenari, right? I mean, those guys just looked like they were in the class of their own this week and really fun to watch Kisner play golf.

I think you mentioned on Twitter, Sally, but whatever you might think about the excitement of watching Maccouture or non-excitement, it was cool to see that the final four wasn't all bombers. It was kind of a cool mix of sort of tactical guys and and bear guard who really moves it and it was just a really cool week in a golf. It's just fun that they go. This golf course is so good for match play and it excites me but it frustrates me at the same time that they think that they can't go to a course like this for stroke play. Yeah. And that there's a lot of half-par holes, a lot of short-par fours that are really fun and

those would just be viewed as too easy in stroke play. And that there's a lot of half-par holes, a lot of short-par fours that are really fun, and those would just be viewed as too easy in stroke play, yet in match play, they promote a ton of excitement. And those holes, like the first hole, especially like the 18th hole, they give you enough rope to hang yourself with. Like you can hit you, get it into trouble if you get to aggressive, and you get out of position. That golf course is, it's one of the few places on tour where the angles actually matter. Like if you get out of position and on that course you can't stop it near the hand. It's soft. It's firm. Yeah. Like watching balls roll out, I was out there in the early part of the week, walked the golf course two holes in. I was like, I think I'm in love with this place. Just watching JT

and Tiger during their practice around sling big draws on the second hole and like trying to get it up on this slope and let it run all the way down through the speed slot. And then add the wind and the cold. It's just not grab driver and hit it as high as you can and as long as you can. I mean, it's a legitimately interesting golf course. So it's for as much as we pick apart all the setup and stuff like this court,

this tournament's awesome. Well, that regard. Yeah, great job. I think we've probably talked about this at Nazim on this podcast, but do you guys ever get worried about what the score is? And when somebody's 22 under par after three rounds, or is that freak you out?

Or do you not care? Before we get there, I think it is refreshing just to see when score doesn't matter. That's what I'm, well, that's kind of what I'm getting at. I was kind of crunching the numbers and through like, what was it? Through three or four, through four rounds.

I think Molinarri, through four rounds, I think. Mollinari was through four matches. I should say he was, I think, 14 under relation to par and he hadn't played 12 holes, including one of the par five's like three different times. So he probably would have been, it probably would have been a 20, you know, 20, 23 under par for him.

Granted, he looked like he was playing head and shoulders above all the other players in the field, but still, I mean, I think it would have been a place where they would have gone crazy low. But you also, because it was match play, maybe you just saw some guys getting eviscerated too, which was. I was watching on, I think it was Friday afternoon in Woodland and Rose were playing. I don't know the way they were playing. It could have been two guys grinding to make the cut or two guys battling for the lead going into Saturday. But it didn't matter. They were, they were playing, it could have been two guys grinding to make the cut or two guys battling for the lead going into Saturday, but it didn't matter.

They were playing each other. It's all relative. Yeah, and like, and like going into 18, I was captivated. It was, it was, I was absolutely captivated because it didn't matter what the score was on the whole where it was just total match play and it was, and it shouldn't, it shouldn't be that stark of a juxtaposition, but we only see it a couple times a year. We're going to talk a bit about the format and how it wasn't the most exciting weekend,

but I think Tron was the most exciting Sunday. Saturday was awesome. Correct. I just think it's always going to be that way with match play. However, that doesn't need fixing. We're going to get into some of that. This tournament is so important to the schedule because the more you start talking about how to fix it and what not, the closer we get to stroke play. And it's just like every other week. So listen, the finals is not going to blow people away. It rarely will unless you get dubious on Jason Day.

To your point about scores going low, I think it gets really monotonous in boring when there isn't the risk element introduced. Hothears are super easy. If like, pars are super easy, and guys are just pinning their ears back and going for birdies, that's boring, I think. And throw decisions in their face. Yeah, and it's not, there's no volatility factor, right?

So I mean, that's what I think happens a lot on the web tour is, like, there's just, some of these holes, there's just not really risk involved in the hole, that everybody gets jammed up the top of leaderboard and just comes a putting I was so we'll get into this later too, but try and I were out at the Savannah event this this week and talking to one of the players out there and Kind of asking you know, what's the difference? What's been the difference kind of going from college golf to pro golf to now web calm to Orgoth and like you know, what are you learning as you go along? And and I kind of half expected him to say, you know, well, I just, you know, I got to figure out my game management. I got to know that I can't go in every pin and

I got to be patient and blah, blah, blah. And he said the literal exact opposite, which was it's taking me a long time to realize that on the web tour, I need to fire it literally every single flag. That's the only way you can compete is every single time, no exceptions, you have to go at the flag, which is insane to hear. I think there's a cat. There's a little bit of a caveat with that one. Oh, it was, yeah, it was one of our young hitters, Brandon Matthews. He's probably the longest player in the world. Yeah, he's up there. He's in the top three. Well, there's also, that's the juxtaposition of him and Morty, the long drive, the web

tour versus the PGA tour. And that if you are on the PGA tour and you make a ton of cuts and play pretty conservatively, you retain your tour card and you stay out there another year. On the web tour, if you finish like 25th every tournament, you don't get graduate to the PGA tour. You need top five finishes on the web tour to actually move on.

So it is even more promoting pinning the years back. But the golf course, again, I just want to take another second. I think that the ultimate barometer for me is, you know, especially working at the tour and whatever I was, I got to go see a lot of these courses in person. And there were a ton of them where I play a lot of golf as it is. So there were a ton of them where the the shine kind of wears off. And you're like, you go to firestone or something You're like, dude. I don't want to play this because like I'm gonna go shoot a

I'll pay not to play I'm gonna go shoot a hunter or a PGA national or whatever It's like I'm gonna go shoot a hundred. This doesn't look fun. You go to Austin Country Club And you know like God I would play here every single day this place looks so so so fun. It's definitely a course It just it sticks out. It sticks out. Pete dies good. Yeah. I think there's certain, there's certain, you know, like people shit on the format, like the whole group play thing. It's really, really hard to advance from a group.

I don't like the group stage stuff because I just, I love when it comes to the weekend and you watch, you turn on the TV and you know exactly what the guys are playing for. Yeah. I'm like, I watched a good amount of the golf between Wednesday and Friday and I like had to go online to be like, okay, where does this match mean? What does this mean if this happens? And Ganon and Fowdo were like trying to figure it out on one of the matches. I'm like, all right, if the announcers aren't going to be able to tell us what's going

on, how do you expect viewers to follow it? And that's why I think the solution is to have, have, like, make one of the other WGC events, a match play event, but do the first 36 holes make them stroke play. Yeah. And do just basically make it like the USM. But I think the best day of match play. Yeah, we're going to talk about this earlier. It's like, if you're going to have a match play event, just make it match play. The best day of match play used to be the first day. The first day. The first day. Arbitr That's what makes it fun. I think I agree.

I think I don't know. I'm going to clap back and say I like the group stuff. I mean, how how timely is this way? He went two and one. He beat Brooks Keppka. He went to play off, I think with Noren, you're poor, Sally. And it's I don't know.

It's like a it's a chance for some of these other guys that don't play too many PGA tour events to shine. it's like a little super bowl within each group, you know, and to be the one that advances from that, there's no perfect way to do it. Right. But I'd rather four guys duke it out. The way that you do it anyway is like there's going to be two guys playing each other and the two guys play each other and then those guys are slotted in and against the next guy and that's still, that's almost a little pool or a little group in and of itself.

Right. Yeah. It is. It's just, like, I feel like the first few rounds are much more diluted now. And the later rounds aren't any more exciting. Like if the trade-off was like, we are almost more guaranteed that better players are going to make it through. I don't really think that's been the case since they've gone to this format. I don't think that they should have expected that. I get why it is. And the whole reason why it exists is like you go to, you get a new, first of all, a new sponsor for this event. So I think Dell probably has a lot to do with dictating how this is going to go. Dude, you're getting a Dell. And it's like, all right,

do I want to, do I want to guarantee that Tiger Woods is going to be at my tournament for three days? Yeah, I do. So this format works from a sponsor standpoint. And I think for fans, that sucks, but like it all comes back to the money in the spots. Follow the money for everything, answered every question, never posed on this podcast probably. But it's a weird tradeoff though, because I don't have a ton to back this up, but it's like, you know, if you're doing it from a Tiger perspective, then you're almost doing it, you know, like for ticket sales and hospitality on site, I guess,

which is in the relative scheme of things, such a small amount of what's its take here when you consider kind of like the TV rights and all that stuff. So it's hard, like I guess a larger point, I'm getting at it. You get three days of TV ratings though too, with tiger there.

It's the same point. Only tiger, I would say. Correct. Yeah. Like literally just just tigers the only one that factors into that conversation. Correct. But my point was going to be and let's say Tiger's not playing, you know, that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, audience, I think the floor on that audience is pretty high and the ceiling on that audience is pretty low. Anyways, so when you're making this pool play and you're saying that this is going to draw on all these new fans on the weekdays, I have a hard time believing that. Well, I think going back to, it's an illustration of how deep golf is these days, where it's not

like this is going to be 2002 when you've got Scott McCarran versus Kevin Sutherland. Which was sick though. But I don't think that's going to happen anymore because you've got, it's so much deeper now. It's not crazy. Like whoever was the 64 seed this week it just would not have been crazy. Nothing crazy, crazy.

What was the kids there's like the 46 seed or something. Which is like, oh yeah, of course he won. That makes total sense. No one batted a nine at that. I do love this event for, you know, kind of, you get an extended look at guys, like if Lucas B. Erkard was in the top five of this and it was a stroke play event, not very little attention would have been paid to him unless he had the lead and like blew it to

fall back into that. But we got to see him want to help that he played against Tiger Woods and beat him. But that guys are just put on a better, a bigger stage. It's so much easier for the broadcast to track them because there's very little golf actually going on. So it's always cool to see the guys that, you know, pop up that people are not familiar with. It was funny when I was there earlier in the week. Beargaard, we were kind of walking near each other through an unroped part and these kids came running up to Lucas Beargaard and asked him for his autograph and one of them started to walk away and they came back and he goes, sir, what was your name? He's like, I'm Lucas. He didn't even say his last name,

which I'm sure the kid that didn't help the kid really at all. But I remember this back in 2017, I think it was like February, we did a podcast episode 67 around the 20 minute mark. Peter Uline was on. I asked him, who's like a European player that you play with or that people just don't know about yet that you think is going to be like a really big name in the game in some way. And he said Lucas Biergard without hesitation. So to Biergard last year in Abu Dhabi for like 14 or 15 holes. And it was stripes it. Yeah, he said, Loki, you didn't. You won the Dunhill last year, right? He did. Yeah, that's he had like a trap. I remember getting a trash rocket that just ripped my pants off on

the 17th hole. When you go to an event, the best thing we've said this a bunch, but the best thing is to go watch somebody play 14 or 15 holes, like Tron was just saying, because you see them build around and you see the ebbs and flows. And that's what you got from Lucas Biergard this week, because you know, he's one of the only matches on the course, you see every shot he hits and it just makes you learn so much more about his game and his tendencies. And it seems like the match is always drag just because one, you're going to see almost every single shot. But that's also better perspective on what a final round of a golf tournament is like.

Because if you play kind of poorly and then final round of football, you just kind of get dropped and they show the highlights or you're really bad shots So that it is just like a better perspective. It also shows that it's actually pretty boring like for the most part It's not that exciting of golf but This event's important and I think that it's you know, it's easy to get caught up and what we got to do this differently I still think there's a ton of things they could do differently my my idea of like the players choosing their matches Which takes a lot longer to flesh out. But basically for the selection show, there should be like a priority in pin system

for putting your name up there and stuff, which would be awesome. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good.

That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good. That would be so good to do stuff is so hard. It's like dude, make it man. You get 30 Gs or whatever for show. This is one of the things though, where it's a WGC. It's not the PGA tour or it's not any like it's kind of. Yeah, but then you have even more cooks in the kitchen.

You have more cooks in the kitchen, but it's farther away from the players. Yeah. As far as they're, you know, they're you can pass the chair the plane a lot more diluted, right? Also, I just want to give a shout to England. In general, they had 10 players in the field this week. That is out of the top 64. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's Matt Wallace. The big, so for as much as

we're saying about, I guess what I was saying about not liking the format, we did get Tiger Rory out of it. So I had to kind of swallow my sword a little bit on that one and that lived up to the hype, would you say? I swallowed your sword. I don't know how that is. Is that a phrase? Swallow your pride. God.

Your fall on your sword. Start that over. No, no, no, no, no, you didn't start over in Mexico. You got to leave that one ahead. God, just swallow your sword. That's like a magic trick, man. No, you're not saying that. It's like, all right, we got Tiger Rory out of it.

Which is, walk me through that. I admittedly had to miss it. Oh, God. It was it was everything you would you would hope it would be. I thought other than a couple Jack Reacher takes on Royce Pudding. He did miss. He missed some shorties. Cool. So you always talk about this. What's the 50-50 range for eight feet? Eight feet, exactly what I thought. So through the first like 10, 11 holes, he missed like an eight footer and eight footer and a nine footer. Oh no. And everyone's like, oh my god, this, he just doesn't have it.

What's the deal? I'm like, well, still a little bit. I don't know what it's like. It's not that crazy that he would, he missed three of those. He missed a five footer, which was, which was not good. How many holes had he lost into that point? Yeah, he lost zero holes coming into that match. He was three holes total. Is that right? Yeah. I thought it was okay. I thought it was even less than that.

Well, anyway, so he's he's coming in. He hasn't finished outside the top six since November. He's three and oh, and then he comes out and like loses the tiger on was it two and one or one up? Well, listen, I think they went the distance. It's tough for me to talk about 16 toll. And then he comes out and like loses the tiger on was it two and one or one up? Well, listen, I think they went the distance. It's tough for me to talk about 16 toll because I was I've been there a lot. That was bad. That was exceedingly. Yeah, he had like a 398 or a drive right on the middle. He's got, you know, buck 70 and I think downwind and he any totally air mills

agreed and he's up against the boundary marker that wouldn't fence there. you know, buck 70 and I think downwind and any totally air mills of green and stuff against the boundary marker that wouldn't fence there. And he was trying to hit a wedge like 178 or something, right? Yeah, where it goes back to like, which then like there's certain stuff coming out now to where it's like, hey, Roy, you've done a really, really, really good job at certain things this year. And one of the things you've done well at is like stepping off of certain numbers and being a pitcher and not a thrower and he went back to being a thrower. And then he blew off the media, Harry lights him up and I know there's some other stuff going on there with the golf pass.

Which is yeah, I wonder like if are they I don't think that really is how it's going to go. I don't think I don't think it does either but Tiger with golf TV. No, they're not they're not tied together. I think Roy was pissed. Yeah, but but they're gonna ascribe because it's constantly covered up. That's a that's a tough look for Faire. Right. Like nobody wrote harder for Faire. He's following the sword. He's following the he's following the sword. That one. He has had like some seasons that have gone really weird with a lot of guests, but like this one's been come back. There was the first

head scratch. It was like Ricky and like John Isner. There's like mixing about that. And like Leachervino. And it was just, there's been like, like sending out group texts. It's like, who's in Orlando? And I could come by the studio. And Carson Daly, just a headshot up in the air, I guess.

Anyways, Ryan Lavender had a good point on Twitter. Just like every other sport has the cooling off period, basically for the losers to give him five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, whatever, and then I know that's different when you want to try to get them on TV, but there's six hours of coverage on the day, more than that. There's like 10 hours of coverage on the match play days. It seems like he's out there. It's like, you know, it's a pro. Yeah, I don't get to worked up when guys skip media But it was weird. It's like dude. You've played some amazing golf this year. You can't be like that but heard after the round

He's also like him open up front guys too. So for like how many times is Tiger skip media? Not very very few Not at all. No, he has been more this year, but he does it all the time when he loses. He did it after losing to to be air guard. And especially after he ends a tournament, he's only missed. But Harreg didn't flame him. He did. He, Harreg mentioned it after Tiger Skip after Mexico, it was. Okay. And and Harreg was like the only other time he's ever not done media at the end of a tournament was this Bolo Bolo. So he's the gold standard at stopping for media.

Like he's so good at it. He does it and he does it when he shoots 77. Yeah. That's part of the deal. Yeah. I don't think it's just like a normal. It's not like so and so played bad and skip media. Like there's various reasons why they would end up doing it for and I don't know it's just like a normal, it's not like so and so played bad and skip media. Like there's various reasons why they would end up doing it for, and I don't know what

they are, but I don't really care. Yeah, that's, I think it's all the headline here. Yeah, it was, it was the end of the tournament for Rory. Yeah, like that was, that was kind of the thing where I was like, in last time before Augusta. But it also kind of throws into perspective how different match play is like you don't really give a shit about talking to a guy Who finishes T7 or T12 or whatever at the end of At the end of And then they've just lost to somebody the other and it's yeah, and it's tiger Rory

It's like them. You know, it's gonna be the marquee match the other the other kind of awkward tradeoff about this is that the marquee match. The other kind of awkward trade off about this is that the TV interviews are no offense to anyone in the business, but the TV interviews are pretty giantly pointless. And granted, the writers in the media center do a much better job of getting to some specific questions, but like we can fake the TV interview right now with Rory if you guys want to hear it. Yeah, it's the one major I don't have. That was pretty good. Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break and then let's go right into some questions.

So did I don't know if you guys caught this. Did you hear what Kevin Kisner said almost immediately in his interview? It was like, uh, uh, uh, Brennan Porth called it NASCAR sauce. It was pretty impressive. Yeah. He gave a shout out to his Callaway Epic Flash driver. Only other person I've heard do that is Phil.

No, Lee, she's done it too. That's true. And Kiz didn't seem like the kind of guy that we've talked into the sponsor stuff right away. He nailed it. He crushed it. Uh, it was an epic showing by team Callaway at the WGC Dell Technologies match play.

Kevin Kizner took home the big win. He's got the Epic Flash driver and three wood in the bag. And he mentioned how much he loved the added ball speed. He's generating with the flash face in the driver. Speaking of the epic flash, as more wins on the PGA tour and more wins worldwide this year than any other driver, including 10 Callaway driver wins this year by non staffers who are choosing to play Callaway based on performance alone? That's nuts.

That's actually pretty sweet. I think that's the only staff. That might be the only staff. Yeah, I agree with you. Visit CallawayGolf.com or check out Epic Flash for yourself at your nearest golf retailer today. Get the right shaft in it. That's been a big game changer for me.

I'm sure you're excited about that. And that's a role-rightened question. Hey, guys. Tom from Virginia Beach. long time, first time. Just wanted to get your guys opinion on who's going to be the first person kicked off the Ryder Club squad in favor of Kevin Kisner. I'm thinking it's going to be Patrick Greed myself. Thanks. Patrick Greed's in an interesting spot here. If he, I mean, look, we're like 18 months away from the Ryder Cup here, but if he's playing the way he is now, his, I don't know how

much his, his Captain America status still, still travel. Are we sure that Kizner's the first guy on? Well, here's what I'm going to say. I'm just going to have the first guy on. I've got no matter what the stats are. Just let's, let's, I got like six water buckets here, waiting here to just pour on the fire that I think it's gonna be like six straight questions that we're gonna get where I have it feeling I'm gonna have to host some people off here. He wasn't even considered for the last one though.

Kisner? Yeah. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. I know, but like we're 18 months away and we are gonna go to a golf course that is not a Kevin Kisner golf course. So my instinct when I saw this question was like, yeah, Bubba should not play anymore. But you know, who's probably going to be a great fit at Wistling Straits?

It's probably Bubba. So yeah, should Kisner have probably been on the last team again, go back to when they made the captain's picks. You're not taking big, you're not taking big cat. Phil, I get in hindsight, yeah, you wouldn't take. Bryson was one of the hottest players on the planet and Tony Fee now Was obviously hot going into it and played great at the Ryder Cup So can we talk about who who is who the first guys off the chopping block are? Web that's what I was gonna say to Probably I think Ricky Ricky's Ryder Cup record is two four and five and you know

I know Randy's Randy sitting over the couch. Yeah, I mean again Like match play records Ryder Cup records like Patrickri Read was 612 going into the last one and he played like absolute shit. So it's not that sad. But I would look to it. But I would look more towards, I would throw out, the reason I pulled these other than being fucking lazy, is because it was on a totally non-secret or course,

which they haven't played in the last four or five Ryder Cups, like that course. So this is what you're going to get with how it was set up. Yeah. You know, Madonna, Hazel, team, all that. So if kids, he's obviously a tremendous match by player. He played great in the president's cup at Liberty National. And sure, if the Ryder Cup was next week, sure, I'd have them on the team, but like, we're a long ways away. And we need, we've learned, hopefully learned a lesson, we need to pick a team based on the golf course. Like Ryan Moore should not have been on the 16 team, he played fine. Like Baba should have been on that team over Ryan Moore.

Like, it's set up with no rough and it's set up favor for Bomber. So, and Kizner should have been considered for for a year. Well, yeah. I still have a hard, I think it's hard to justify kicking any of the four guys off that you Let's go listen guys you can you can this is why first of all it should be it should be 12 captains picks But that's another sure that's that's like the the baseline of where we all need to be starting from here Yeah, that should be the case. It will never be the case But like never be the case. That's it should be all my euro guys play pretty well this week though. Congratulations

Thank you Yeah, no, I mean, Mollinari. So I was prepared, like Saturday, to like, to say this on, like, you could, there's a take somewhere out there that Mollinari is the best golfer in the world. For sure. There's a take out there that you could say that Brian Gays the best golfer in the world. Correct. But like, like on like somewhat neutral golf courses, there's no one whose game

I'd rather have than maybe Francesco Mulling. Yeah. Like the guy doesn't miss. He does not miss. Like, if he would have won, I think I would have, I think I would have finished like the top five of the NLU bracket challenge out of like 37 big what if. Which they think they're really signed up for that. Yeah, it was fun. A lot of people signed up for that. Hey guys, Patrick Dallas, Texas. First time long time. Anyway, calling to see what we can do about this excitement on Sundays for this match. I mean, I accidentally watched 20 laps of NASCAR because this thing was so boring.

Anyway, thanks for all you do. Patrick, we're going to move it to Monday. We're going to move the final. We're going to move the last day to Monday. We're gonna move the final, we're gonna move the last day to Monday. That would be sweet. Though I don't think that'll ever happen with the PGA tour.

I think it's kind of one of those things. It's like, is what it is. You can't fabricate excitement. Excitement happens when it happens. You're gonna see every shot from a match and these guys are tired at the end of the week. The golf's probably not gonna be that good. So for all the reasons why it's going to end on Sunday night,

it's all the sponsor obligations and ticket sales and all that stuff that we're going to be kind of stuck with probably dud matches at the end. No, I mean, they started on Wednesday. Why can't they just start on Thursday and finish up? The answer to that would be they're not going to have 500 volunteers come out for another day for one match And get all the camera crew out there and all the house everything that goes into setting up a day of tournament for one match They're just not gonna they're not gonna add that on for a Monday. Yeah, I want to offer what about for three matches

Still won't well. I liked so you you were shortening that you're keeping the tournament the same way You're just moving it from there from Wednesday to Sunday to Monday. Going into the next tournament week. Put it on the West Coast and put it during prime time. I just, the Monday idea is interesting, but also I don't know what it really accomplished. It's because you're not making it more exciting. You're just like, punting on,

you're just punting to like a less exciting day. Yeah, but you have the biggest audience during the day on Sunday, right? Like, like, after you're on Sunday. So the most exciting golf is to me is like the quarter finals when you've got. You got good matches. Yeah, we got four good matches out there.

And I mean, that's the, like, that's the day that I watch. Why not just put that on Sunday afternoon and then everything else after that is like, it's not an afterthought But it's it's kind of the it's kind of the dessert after the main course I would love it to be in prime time. It would have to be West Coast Dell is the sponsor again It's like would Dell want to do that and I don't I don't know the answer that I would be shocked if that would ever go through

Well, I thought you're the better idea was Fill in the rest of some of the rest of the golf course with other more interesting matches. So doing like a six club match with the guys that have already got the party to kick out. No one gives a shit about the third, fourth place match. Have a play of six, like have a play of six club match or something outrageous where like the other guy gets to take a club out of the other guys back.

Like it's, I don't, to me, that doesn't cheapen like nobody, like you're not cheapening anything because nobody cares about the third, fourth place to begin with. It's just filling out the telecast. Yeah. Listen, I'm all in for that. You have a both a T3. There's no chance like FedEx would, like the, the, the, the, what they would say is like there's this many FedEx cup points on the line here and this much money.

Like guys would be the player advisory council has to like approve all these decisions first of all to they have proved JJ Henry getting a 300 cuts made exemption like full year exemption. I don't know how to tie that back. Why would I play some like I'm saying they say anything's possible. They approve outrageous shit to begin with. Right, but the competition. What you're trying to say is true love is fine.

No, it's just it's like basically nothing matters. And I'm I love it. Listen, you have to convince everybody that gets eliminated in the in the first match play round gets ties for 17th, right? Let me know that's not true. It's not true. No, they they change it with the pool, the pool stuff. It used to be everybody would tie for for so what do they do now? 37th or whatever now. It's like based on your seating in the pool. That's not many points. You got to finish that's stupid No, it's really smart. It's way more sensitive to 17 for everybody that shows up so What if and I can't even believe that I'm suggesting this because this seems like it would fly in the face of everything I stand for But what I'm thinking back to the match and how you know there was like boring, boring

times in the match and then Charles Barkley started being like, why don't I go play someone right now and I was like, fuck yeah, I would definitely, definitely like to watch that. So what if you had Kevin Kizner and Matt Kutcher playing the championship match? You had Molinari and Beargard playing the consolation match and then you threw like two Wild at you had like Luke Wilson and I don't know some other Austin celebrity out there playing like a some weird loose match where you is just like a pure Like comedy

Yeah, you got you count on the PGA tour to get that right? Well, no, no, but what if you carved out, let's say, let's say you carved out 300, 400 K Luke Wilson used to voice over the PGA tour. These guys are good commercial. But like, don't know what to do with that. There's an existing relationship. DJ going back, like, I don't really care about watching Luke Wilson play either. But like, what if you carved out 300, 400 K and you said,

Hey, we're going to put this up for grabs and they do a fan vote. A fan vote, right? A Friday thing and they say, hey, we're gonna have, you know, a, Rob wants to play whoever or, you know, cat wants to play Sergio or like anything like that. And you just basically pair these, these, you pair these matches up and you figure out, cool, all right,

Kizmer got a limited, he wants to play Patrick Reed. Be sick. And then you throw it on PGA Tour live or something. That'd be awesome. Yeah, I'm sure there's just like 50 million reasons why that's like, yeah, listen, that'll see the world and ask why. I know sure. That's like, yeah, listen, that'll see the world and ask why I know, but it's like, we're a big, big, big, big hat match for the commissioner for a day.

Okay. More to come on. Is there a voicemail about Tiger? No. Yes, there is. Yes. Okay. This is Josh from Atlanta, Georgia. Can we please all just start a petition to get the PGA to change its format back to matchboy?

This is so much more entertaining to watch and frankly the PGA blows. Thanks. I love the show. Hot take from Josh there. Well, I guess this kind of goes back into everything we just got done talking about it pretty much. You're going to wind up with a lot of PGA Sundays that are pretty boring. Or would they not be boring because it's the PGA championship and you'd be into who cares? It's just moving the interesting stuff from from Sunday to Friday Saturday. Yeah, I would never happen one because ratings for these events always kind of struggled and there's no real reason the PGAM which would want to do this. The reason why everything is stroke play is it's deemed probably the most suitable format for television.

It won't go back. How do I want to go? Match play is like living over par because there is no par. Right? That's a well said. So it's totally destroyed the common stuff of living under par. Yeah. That may be a good sense. Hey guys, Jeff from Jack's Beach shout out to Taco

Lou and Sunrise Stripshop, I guess. Maybe I'm biased being a UGA alumni dog. Shout out to Neil's red XCUT team. But it's safe to say that Matt Coochar is the real world equivalent of Matt Damon in the departed. She's quote on the third year of six inch rakes was a disgrace. Thanks for your time. Take care guys. I'm all fired up for this one. I'm gonna let you lead it off though. I'll give you the last word. So I'm gonna kind of ride for Coochar on this one. And if let's just do a quick review of what happened, right? Break it down. So I forget what hole it was, but Coocher made a bad bogey. He's in his pocket with a bogey. Sergio's got maybe like a six footer for part to win the hole. Misses it. Quick rakes it immediately.

Try to knock it back in the hole. He misses. and you know, it looks like they've tied and they're both going on in the next hole. They get to the next t-box. Cooters says, hey, I don't really know what to do here, but technically I didn't concede that putt. So I don't like, I don't know if that's going to be an issue. I've seen a lot of, I'm paraphrasing. I've seen, you know, seen a lot of rules violations.

We've seen a lot of weird'm paraphrasing. I've seen a lot of rules violations. We've seen a lot of weird match play stuff. Maybe we should just call in the rules official here to make sure that we're all good. He calls in the rules official. The rules official says if you never conceded the putt then the putt wasn't conceded. Sergio you lost the whole. They're trying to figure out what to do. Sergio basically says cool why don't you just concede me the next hole. And Kutcher says well no, no, that would be, that would be stupid. Think you're missing a key to a crucial detail.

Please. That Kutur was like, well, no, like I wanna do the right thing here, like it's not, you know, like I have no, Sergio deserves this, Sergio completely brought this upon himself. I have, I would have no issue with Kutur saying, fuck him in, like you're basically, like you have brought this upon himself. I would have no issue with Kuture saying, fuck you man, you're basically,

like you brought this on yourself, your anger got the best, you quick-dragged it, you deserve the consequences. It's when Kuture starts playing, the starts trying to play the good guy role, saying that he wants to do the right thing. If that's what you wanna do, don't call the rules official over, just do it. But then But then I don't know. I'm not putting words in his mouth or assuming how he felt,

but if I was him and looking at how other pros handle all this rule shit now, it's like they're probably walking up such on egg shells that they're like, dude, I don't want to do the wrong thing or put myself in a bad spot because I've seen 50 million people over the last six years here just you know get in the scoring trailer and then figure out that some weird thing happened or something right with that many microphones and cameras Exactly if it came to like a video review of like hey, we no one ever heard Matt Koocher gives that photo We could have given an Knowledgement of it. There's another camera angle that shows that he didn't do it and then he's lying and then.

But at the end of the day, it's match play. It's man versus man. And it's not like somebody's going to, it's not like a video review is going to come in and say, hey, this is, you know, I saw this or I saw this, you know, obviously Sergio is not going to call him on and if he gives him the thing. I mean, it's like, he's never going to get penalized for doing the right thing in this instance. And again, I want to say, like wanna say, like, I'm not faulting him for, I have no problem with him winning the whole

because of Sergio's actions. Like Sergio deserved to lose the whole, but I'm saying, Kutcher can't have it both ways. He can't say, oh, I wanted to do the right thing, and then know that like, it's pretty black and white. Like, you don't need to call them fucking rules. That's what I think. And then afterwards he says he keeps talking and talking and talking.

It's just like the thing in Mexico like, koocher, just stop talking. I totally dis. Just own it man. Just be. Holy omelette. Like just be a just be kind of conniving and be be a little bit of a competitor here. I will disagree with the PR firm of Tron Carter

Limited here, which is that he goes in and he starts doing that in front of the cameras He says you know what tough tough shit man like he should have yeah, he should have known the rules then everyone's like dude What did dig I would have had a lot more respect You just want to own it I I guess but like to me it almost seems like a car accident two cars get in an accident You look doesn't look like there's a ton of damage, but you think, I don't know, like maybe if my frame is fucked up here, like I might want to have my self-covered, so why don't we just call the police and get this thing taken care of?

Like, what did Kuchsa after the whole Mexico thing? He said, oh, like, you know, I made it right. It's this is the way it was. Right, but that was a lie. That was so. But none of this is me defending coachers. I really want to do the right thing here. Like, I mean, coachers sounds like the waiter or the employee

who says, hey, listen, I clearly know what the right thing to do is, but this is a policy. This is out of my hands, man. Do you want to talk to my manager? I'm going to call my manager over. He's the rules official. He'll tell you how I'm gonna call my manager over he's the rules official like he'll tell you how it is like listen I wanted to do the right thing but like you know I'm gonna call him over just so it's totally off my plate well is did coach or me by doing the right

thing like I want like to be clear like I wanted to concede that putt like that is my doing the right thing like I want to concede that putt but I didn't say that exactly that's what that's what I read from it was that he was going to the rules official basically saying Like I want to concede that putt, but I didn't say that. Exactly. That's what I read from it. Was that he was going to the rules official, basically saying like, I didn't concede this putt, but I would like to. Like, can I concede this putt? At what point are you sporting, or at what point is it common sense,

or good, like, if that was your intent, like, and going back to the USJ, all the rules changes, everything's intent based now. Like David Hurns anchoring the shit out of his putter, but he's not intending to. So it's not a penalty. Like, not a culture. I mean, okay, so let's say that. Not a culture intended to concede the putt, but he didn't get the chance to.

So the rules don't, it's kind of fake, the intention thing is not really gone through all the way. So yeah, even if he intended to, that doesn't mean the rules read that way. I mean, what, like, and the idea behind this was intent, but it has not been translated. Exactly, but I'm just saying,

so philosophically, the rules of golf are basically bifurcated, right? Like some stuff is intent-based and some stuff is. It was kind of presented PR-wise wise as intent but the way I understand them is they've not really been rewritten enough to really have that be a matter of fact within the rules I don't think it's bifurcated I think what I think my issue is before he calls the rules official over is do you need do you need to be a narc do you need to call the rules official over you can you just say, hey, like, this is between Sergio and I

and I can see the puttum bottom line. And like, that's where, and again, if he says, I don't have a problem with, like, I don't have a problem. If you would have said to Sergio, Sergio, fuck you man, like, your temper, you didn't wait for it, that's fine, but he wants it both ways. That's what I have a problem.

But Suzanne Patterson did that and then, that was different. Yeah, I was ready for this to come. That's far different. She wants it both ways. That's what I have a problem. But Suzanne Patterson did that, and then that was different. He had this to come forward. He walked off the green, and just verbally didn't shout it out. This was not a quick rake situation. Everybody moved off the green in that situation. This was different, and this was, again, I don't want to defend Kutra over this, but it's kind of like, this happened so fast that if somebody asked the question, and again,

as much as there's so much rules rules controversy is guys take the rules very seriously so if somebody asked but no the rules either that's different like but if somebody asked Koocher hey did you could like you quick-wrake that putt did you verbally concede that putt I don't I wouldn't want to lie and say yes like that is even if no cameras catch it, even if no mics catch it, like we're going back to like the integrity of the game and how close these guys police it, I wouldn't wanna lie and say yeah, I gave it to him.

So like, all right, technically man, I didn't, like I, we have to call in rules official here. I gotta cover my ass here, because I didn't have it. I agree, and I think it's like a, this has nothing to do with, again, like this is nothing to do with kutur or sigio or anything This is like player a versus player b and if if player a has a 1% chance in their head that like god This might come back to bite me in some weird way that I don't I can't even think of right now

Then I had don't blame them at all for getting that covered and sigio lost one down like do you think he should have again? He should just let it go and then they tie and then Couture loses in a playoff or something? Like, I don't know. It just doesn't, I got no issues. The whole thing is like, you know, when Couture comes in and says, I didn't want that to be how the holes

were lost. And he said, you know, then I'm not ready to concede the hole. That's, that's all fine. Just like, but don't, don't don't like don't try to come in and be the the good guy. Like I feel like he's just trying to like be the dick. I would have been the dick. If you if you were going to concede the putt then figure that out. If you weren't going to concede the putt and you were going to make him putt it then do that too. But like granted I don't want to be the one to defend Sergio here because he's kind of indefensible

In and of itself. I'm just saying I just have a problem with the optics of Kuture after the fact Okay, yeah, I think we're just at an impasse here. I think we just strongly disagree All right, and those are the cans from Mexico Calling collect just because Kuture's track has not cleared yet. Uh, I was wondering, do you think Quinter's went to sleep if I was on his back? Adios por a rada. Uh, you know, L2 can.

I know you've done good work in the past. I don't know that you, you quite know this, uh, uh, know this golf course quite like the one down there. My Aikoba, I laughed at this so we had to include it, but I'm so ready to move on from the two cats story. Hey fellas this is Chris from Abeling Texas here just wanted to see if you saw any of the takes on Twitter that big cat intentionally missed that put on 18 so he didn't have to play 36 in the cold on Sunday. I'm not buying it but just want to get your take. Thanks guys. I got my cold bucket of water here ready.

Yeah, man. I'm going to go ahead and say no. He did not. I know, Kat's the most competitive guy on the planet. I don't think he missed the put on purpose. Okay. I was ready to. I think it was the best thing that could have happened to him.

I agree. I agree. 36 holes today and the cold and wind would have been awful. It would have done nothing for him. It would have not benefited him in any way. And overall, this tournament doesn't matter in what happens in two weeks does matter a lot. So I can't tell if Tiger Twitter is a parody of itself

and that went something like, yeah, he hit the ball on the water on purpose at his tournament in DC on the media day. Like that's their boss. That's maybe or he's plating bunker shots into the stands and on purpose at waste management. I only got heard either of those. Oh, yeah.

Oh, the Tiger conspiracy theorists are I'm surprised you said that the WGC's don't matter after your after your presidents cup tweet this weekend. Listen, some J.M. It needs a need a shout out. And he said he was quietly one of the planes of the basketball. He said like two top fives in the last three weeks. Yeah, quietly.

People aren't paying attention to that. Nobody's talking about that. That's what quietly means. I'm paying attention. Well, of course you are, but I paid attention to how he played on Sunday. Hey guys, this is Lowe and Angie Randy from Jacksonville. How done away with

Azinger and high parboise. Thanks. Take it easy. I mean, not done. I'm rubber tired. Yeah, DJs are keys to himself from all the broadcast takes. I think Azinger is still in his honeymoon or what four weeks in five weeks in. I think the worry there is that we're in the honeymoon period and we're hearing a lot of the same things on repeat and we're not out of the honeymoon. He's in your Hezant watch golf in like four or five years. Yeah. Which he's watching golf again.

Let's give him some time to replenish the reservoir. I've kind of always thought, you know, he was the best fill in for Johnny, but simultaneously thought like he's kind of good one week a year. He's a great one week. So we'll see. Uh, not great to be honest.

I love zinger. So I'm giving him the, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to prove to prove that wrong. He's still better than Fowda. He gets the, he gets the opportunity over the next, the rest of the season to rise the occasion. It's going to, it's not a, it's not a, hey, let's judge him after five weeks. It's like, let's not a hey let's judge him after five weeks. It's like let's judge the whole product Yo big play right from Jersey over here

Friend of the pod want to say how great the Calaway fitter video was Kevin Napier seems like a really solid dude, but He's kind of telling himself short honestly He could absolutely light in that truck if he wanted to. All right, all right. You are signing off. Yeah, thank you, big play, Ray.

Kevin's a happily married man. We would never imply something like that. But I'm glad we included that because please go to our YouTube channel and check out DJ's video. All the guys. That's guys saw the video. Well, your editing was fantastic. Fantastic. I think I saw it.

And Randy and then went down and rode from, with the cowboy truck from Bay Hill all the way to the players and Asked a bunch of questions long way is awesome. I thought it was one my thing. We did learn some good kind of related to the to the listeners question some good terminology Everyone's very familiar with lot lizards, but sleeper creeper. I thought it was a pretty good one Randy keeps me of being a sleeper creeper All right, let's move on. Hey guys, Mike from Iowa here. I was watching the tournament today and kind of had a thought with all the different statuses and educational elevated status, major season of championships and all that garbage. Wouldn't it be great to see at least one of the WGC's maybe rotate between regular two events?

So we have the WGC John Deer Classic. It just sounds like a fantastic thing for all these tournaments that are certainly going to be overlooked. And yeah, let me know what you think. I mean, sure, that'd be great. I think like it's probably not going to happen with now FedEx taking over. Yeah, I think you have a much better chance of having Luke Wilson go play with WGC Sunday than you do of this one happening. But I would like to see it happen. I'm not with the John Deereness, Sarah. I don't think we should be messing with any of the majors.

But. The HSPC, that's the worst tournament of the year. Like how cool would that be though? If they move it from like, you know, one year it's in China, one year it kind of takes over like the Dun, you know, one year it's in China, one year it's, it kind of takes over like the Dunlop Phoenix, one year it takes over. It goes Australia. Australia.

And like that would be that would be cool. I don't take over the Kenya Open. I have no idea what the feasibility of that is and I would imagine it's close to impossible because all of these things are so multi-year deals and you're, you're getting a, you know, a sponsor like Dell. This is going to shock the ex. It depends on the sponsor. Yeah.

We love to go to their hometown. Here's a question though. So the WGC, it seems like it's been very PGA Tour dominant. When it's really all the, it's all, like why isn't there a WGC in like the Middle East? There's sponsors galore over there that's a market that the PGA Tour is basically seeded to the European Tour, but the European Tour could basically manage that that tournament, turn Abu Dhabi or Dubai or, you know, Cotter or any of those

events into the WGC instead of having one that kind of a fish out of water in Shanghai, where golf is essentially illegal. I think that regime has reversed their stance on golf being illegal. Well, and like, you know, the European tour had won like the American Express championship was in I really was an iron it was at the K club one year. Yeah, yeah, it was a little bit but but but basically there's there's been no There's been no WG season. I know some of its just sponsorship related and they don't you know There's just not as many sponsors. They're willing to pony up that kind of money over there. But, you know, at least one out of every four or five years,

it seems like, hey, step up and actually move these things around. Which, I don't know. I think it's hard. I think those things have gotten so, the price tag on a WGC is so, so, so high that you're already weeding out so many companies that are even possible to vie for it. So then it's like once you have a company, like, and then you're going to go tell them

like you can't do it in your hometown. It's just, it seems. And I guess that goes back to like, is, all right, cool. Is the business model broken? Who are like, like a WGC is supposed to cost twice as much or, you know, 75% more than that a regular Torrent. It's hard because it's cool. It should.

I think it costs whatever, whatever people are willing to pay, right? They have sponsors for all of them. So, Pluto. I just feel that this, the match play has an identity in Mexico. Now, how's an identity here? That like the other two are so ripe for any kind of structural change. And I can tell you what the answer is not. And it's not moving it to Memphis and having just turning it an event. In August? Yeah.

So I don't know what, I mean, that's a good question. I don't know if you guys have anything off the top of your heads, but if you're the tournament organizer in Memphis, like what are you doing to make that one stand out? I mean, And I have no problems with that course. It's a good, I mean, it's a good course, but it's just Memphis in August.

Like why are we having a golf tournament there, much less at WGC? No, listen, I know all the bad things about it. I'm just trying to think if you could redeem it at all. And I get a question. I don't know what the answer is, but I mean, I would much rather see it be in line with the Open Championship or in the UK in those months in the summer.

Yeah. Like, how is a WGC not in the British Isles? Like, the home of golf and how many golf fans there are in that region. Like that's one of the biggest golf markets in the world. I know that's European tour, but these are European tour events. Like all the European tour media got and like it's a co-sanctioned event. How is there not one in Europe?

I'm sure there's answers to that question. I mean, sponsored by the British masters is struggled to find a sponsor. Right, but if Tiger's coming over, if the guys are coming over, like you can find a sponsor. Right, but if Tiger's coming over, if the guys are coming over, like you can find a sponsor. I mean, if you did four weeks in a row, the British Isles, you know, basically split up the Irish and the Scottish Open,

you put the WGC right in between it, so the guys that, you know, they'll be unbelievable. It'll be awesome. Hey guys, I'm Spencer from Saratoga, New York. I'm calling in to talk about the Ponzi scheme that is PGA Tor live. Am I on an island or is it just maddening that they continually give it away for free on golf channel? Why do I pay for the app when I can just get to watch it for free?

And it's like everything the Tor does to appease the casual fans at the expense of the loyal ones. And can you think of one initiative, literally any one initiative from the Torah golf channel to reward a loyal fan? Pipe dream. I'm racking my tiny brain and I can't come up with one. Part of me is excited for the day. I'm tired. Tires and the tour short-sighted ignorant fool.

Fan comes back to fight them in the ass. That's all with all the shitty, the shitty products they've got. They're good. Those raven haveans five ten years 20 minutes of dick pill commercials every hour in between Southville babbling on about No to the gay being wrong about literally everything except maybe the color of the sky and that's 50 50 any given day and Peter Jacobson talking over literally anything we anything of interest that's ever happened

Anyway, that's all I got crack on that's it. That's all you got that seemed very premeditated I don't think golf channel is giving away PGA tour live I think they're just giving away on Twitter. Yeah every weekend He brings up a fair point In that if people that pay for it, and it's also given away for free on Twitter. It's kind of like, as an attempt to draw in new fans, but like, gosh, I don't know who's turning into the HGTW Twitter account that isn't already a golf fan.

I get it. It's like, all right, trying to convert their fans into PGA Tour live subscribers, but it's like an hour of coverage outside of the free Twitter window. I think it goes to, we're not talking about the product, the product's good. It's more like their willingness to, or their philosophy of catering to everybody, but the core fan. And his point of like name one initiative or name, and it's kind of what we've been saying for

her quite a long time in that the loyal they've got the loyal fan hooked and we are going to talk about golf every week on here you're going to watch golf if you're a loyal golf fan and they can try their hardest to scare you away. And DJ had a great one today I was like hey how's the golf going he goes you I don't really watch golf I just kind of sit on my phone while it's on TV. I technically have been watching it for an hour but I don't know I couldn't tell you the shots that I've seen coverage take.

That's a coverage take. No, that was no. That was so close to the logical take. That was close enough. There was a really good moment today. Uh, it was today or yesterday where they said they made light of a catty player combo that happened during the playing through. And they said, oh, you know, like the, the catty player combo that, that you

got to watch during our playing through coverage, which I like to play the three thing. I think they've abused it to a certain extent. But to make light of a Cady player combo, where like I don't need to see them. I need to hear them. And there's no audio during the playing through commercials. I'm hearing the commercial audio. That's a coverage take. I think that something that Spencer said during his his five-minute misive there was something John and I were talking about the other day

Which is I think that I think I think a huge part of the reason of why I am a golf fanatic slash maybe even like a sicko at this point is because there's no shortcuts to it and because I've invested so much time of my life like getting to that point and I think that's kind of where some of the frustration lies is like dude you can't you can't fake this stuff man like it takes a really long time to learn the game it takes a really long time to learn the rules takes a really long time to learn the players it takes a really long time to learn the rules. It takes a really long time to learn the players. It takes a really long time to learn what's a good shot versus what's a bad shot and why he's trying to fly it high versus flight it low. And like all these different things and like that's what makes me fucking love it is because I've done all

that and like now it's so much richer for the experience and trying to just hook people with like here you go look at how it's. Like, look how cool this is to watch. I was like, here's what that was me. I'd be like, God, get this. What the hell is this? Why would I ever watch this? Here's some puppies. Here's a trick shot artist.

My favorite was you made this point when they were like streaming it for free once on Facebook or something. Like, just a minute, I'm trying to imagine like my aunt like scrolling through her Facebook feed. Be like, oh, this is a delightful rom romper I don't need any context here I'm just gonna tune in and watch this beer guard yeah let's see what this guy has to do well it's it's all gonna go in some slideshow of how many people tune into pjtor live on twitter and it's like you scrolled your timeline it counts probably and some I don't know what you need to count as a view but it probably

counts as a view and something and it all is going to look good on some fake number aggregation. And, but the bigger point is kind of the frustration. I think golf fans, a lot of listeners of the show and the people sitting in this room have felt and that they felt like a lot of things are going towards this like mythical golf fan that doesn't exist. It's a unicorn millennial that makes 250 grand a year that's never heard of golf before and it's going to...

It's super valuable to sell to, but it also doesn't like golf, but also will watch golf, but also will cut it through to it. It's an enormous amount of free time to learn this for. And I think a good example is, I think last week, the web tour, there were probably more people watching that live stream of the end of the web tour, there were probably more people watching that live stream of the end of the web tour event that play off than there were, than there have been in a lot of the kind of free streams on Twitter that I've seen of a me PJ tour event where you like just focus, like I get the need to grow the tent, but at some point you got to take

care of the people in the tent. And that's the hard part is like I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, that's the hard part, the tent is. We have carved them in oxide poison again. Yeah. It's one of those like house debugger tents. It's just, it's a female tent.

It's filled with noxious fumes. And that's the hard part is like, if somebody, if somebody's, and it's a lot easier to, you know, harp the the problems rather than Come up with solutions because like if someone said like what would you do differently? Like I don't have a ton of good answers, but that's why stuff like European And honestly maybe well, maybe we can bring in big randy because this is tangentially related to one of his things, but it's like I really think a lot of this stuff goes back to like playing golf and just understanding

golf. And I don't know what the data says. I know people say that these things aren't correlated and you can watch golf and enjoy it without playing it. But damn, that seems hard to buy. Right. Or, hey, let's say, all right, here's a prime example of a time period when or an opportunity to get new people into an event There's a big 10 basketball game on Saturday or Sunday afternoon That leads into the PJ to our telecast and then you then you lead with 10 minutes of commercials and you show a bunch of putts and you show the you know the met life summary and then well That's kind of the thing and it's like like, hey, like, just improve your product,

and maybe more people will start watching it. And this is, it's very simple, and on the bottom of the baseline. Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say, and this is not a telecast take, but it's, sure sounds like that. You just, you can't, like, so there's a bunch of universal truths here,

which is one, we want more new, we want to grow the fuck out of the game. We want more new people play in the game, watching the game, consuming the game. Everybody, I can't only think of one person and he's sitting over there on the couch that would disagree with that statement. Randy, who wants to shrink the game. Number two is we're going to not change anything about anything that we do. We're not gonna change any of the formats.

We're gonna not change any of the telecasts. The biggest concession is that the players can now wear shorts. It's like, dude, how did those two things go together? Man, how do you just keep doing the same thing you've always been doing and expect more people to tune in when there's more competition than ever? How? Because we're more influencers. How dare you?

Just miss the golf dogs that quickly. Okay. We're in the golf dogs era. Like how do you not see the way things are trending? All right, we're ready to move on here with our last few. Yeah, a couple more questions. Gentlemen, we'll go from Mississippi with a very important question. What is the best appetizer on the known blue menu and what is the appetizer to stay away from the most. This is a trick question right. Because the menus are slightly different at Lake Nona and Ponte Vigia. I didn't know I don't know if I knew that. I don't know if I was that deep in the scene. First of all shout out to GMAC. This isn't an ad or.

Right now that very much not restaurant Restaurant tour, slash PJ Tour winner today. The only PJ Tour winner who's restaurant, you can go eat at right now. I'm gonna say it's the art of jokes. You can kick art of jokes for kids. Woods Jupiter, right now. No, I meant the only guy who won today. That you could, yeah.

So, that's a good call. I think all of us have been to both the Woods Jupiter and No No Blue. Which would you eat at? Well, No No Blue, they got the French Quarter Pente pasta. I would get it for a whole week because it's enormous. But I would go known blue as well. I thought, I thought, it's been well documented.

Woods Jupiter was mega stuck between release packs. The only thing that the Woods Jupiter has that known blue didn't have was the moist towel so that you have to give it to the two courses. That's true. And all the waiters had white belt stud. I think the popular answer here is gonna be the Spinjen Artichoke dip, but the fire cracker shrimp is fire.

I wouldn't put either. I would say the GMAC and cheese. No, I'm not saying that. That's not a shareable. I'm not talking about the Spinjen Artichoke dip. I'm talking about the full baked artichokes. The fried or the children's jokes. Those are insane.

Yeah, gotcha. And will to answer your question, I don't really know what happened. I'd say I would go check out either known a blue location right now and I just go buck wild on the venue order whatever you want. I've never had anything bad. We had the muscles there the other night. They were just okay for me dogs. So that'd be the one I would say.

Well, that's good to know. Still worth going. Let's move on. Again, that was not an ad. Hey, boys, Jason from Kansas here Wondering what's what's up with the Jack's Beach birdie challenge get a throw two assumptions out there One is that DJ is doing all the heavy lifting with editing putting the videos up Second one's got to go along with that that I'm assuming he just hasn't made any birdies at the first step What the hell? It was an update.

I'd love to be wrong. BrutanVrayDJ. Cheers. Well, Jason, let me go ahead and just start by saying that you're actually wrong on both counts. The first one, thank you for assuming I was busy with the heavy lifting. That first video was all Sally. Sally's... Sally's been bucking his head in the editing department. Something I believe you guys are going to see twice this week.

We've got two videos coming out this week that are solid projects. I did my toe in from time to time. So yeah, the video that was cut together of me making five birdies and like six holes. Yeah, that was, I edited that. Great work on that. No, we don't film every round that we play at Jack's Beach. No video in the queue for updating the Jack's Beach. We'll post a picture of the...

If people are into it, we'll do it more. I just... Yeah, I would find it hard to believe. I keep a lot of key tabs on every round. A couple of things I found interesting. Neil doesn't live here. He has three birdies. He's played two rounds of jack speeches here.

Which, as someone pointed out, is very on-brand that he is in full Icaredo spirit. He's birdied one, two, and three, and none of the other holds. Let's take a quick time out to explain what this is. If you're not sure, we have a challenge that we learned from some trans friends I think in Atlanta that. Yeah, and it's a lovely golf club. It's you play, you get with your buddies, throw in a bunch of money into a pot, and everyone

has to birdie every hole over the course of a year at your course. And so we're doing this at Jacksonville Beach here, just down the road from us, and there's a lot of stickers up on the wall for us here But it's already it's in the march here into the first quarter and I personally I tighten up a little bit on the holes. I don't have oh for sure. I think about it already Totally I think about it before I get to the golf course. Yeah, and so it's gonna be a true I'm close though to just having to play the back nine Well, Sally's got it eagled all the part five, which he's of which he has none.

I equal to part four this week. That was fun. It's cool. That's cool. It was a hole that I hadn't birdied yet. Actually, what I was going to say is Randy's, Randy's made four birdies. Neils made, but they're all in different holes, which is big.

Yeah. Neils made three. I've, uh, Randy's got two birdies on that I don't have as well. I've birdied eight of the 18 holes. Yeah. Randy's got two birdies on that I don't have as well. I've birdied eight of the 18 holes Yeah, right Two of the toughest Randy's got boardwalk right now. He's got boardwalk and park putt It's drawn actually has made it a lot more birdies in me, but still has also only birdied eight of the 18 holes Yeah, interesting. I just keep burning the same hole

Charles got a great game plan out there at jack's feet I've almost I've almost aced a par four twice now I just keep burning the same hole. So burn it over again. Charles got a great game plan out there at Jack's Beat. I've almost, I've almost, I've almost aced a par 4 twice now. I need 9, 10, 11, 16 and 18. It's got five, five holes left, but I also need to eagle 2, 13 and 18. That's even birdie 18 yet.

I have 9 and birdie, because I keep trying to eagle it and I three put it every time, which is sick. So yeah, it's a fun challenge to get with your buddies and figure it out. It's a good day to start. April won't do April 1 to April 1. Or you're in the Midwest, your season hasn't started yet. Anyway, it's a fun challenge to get with your buddies and figure out. It's a good day to start. April won't do April 1 to April 1. Or you're in the Midwest, your season hasn't started yet anyway, it's probably so. It's two and 12 months rolling.

Yeah. I've heard it called Taliban in the past too. My Swedish, my wife's Swedish uncle. They call it Taliban over there, I guess. Somebody called it passport, like stamping your passport or something like that. It's a little more fan-friendly. Yeah, it's fun. So like more inclusive.

As you get down to the end, like I came back from Atlanta thinking, you know, it was December like stamping your passports. I'm like that. A little more fan friendly. It's fun. So more inclusive. As you get down to the end, like I came back from Atlanta thinking, you know, it was December 27th and there's a dude out there playing in the pouring rain. The only holy head, but he hadn't buried with 17. It was 35 degrees in pouring rain and he comes in still hadn't buried it. And he's like, I'm going out and playing 36 the next four or five days because he owed his buddies like a thousand bucks a piece. If you didn't, it's something we were talking about in the course the other day.

I think that I really, really, really wish that I had played this game when I was a kid because I think it would have made you so much more comfortable with making birdies rather than being petrified over birdie puts the way I think all of us are now, except maybe solid. It's the brand of madness philosophy. Yeah, just go at all. Yeah, I think if I had done this when I was a 12 year old kid, I would look a lot more like Kevin Kizner than, I don't know, which this is not the paid portion of this, but

putting with the true, I think I'm all in on truvas. Putting with the truvas balls has been a factor. This is a backdoor way for us to say the shout, solid shot 67. No, don't say that. Are you playing truvis? Yeah, I'm he did. He made literally everything.

It was with the truvis ball. I shanked one in the water, made par. Hit another one in the water, took my shoes off, got up and down for par. It was disgusting. It was, he probably made 600 feet of putts. I hit it very poorly and shot four under somehow. So, no, if you guys want to talk about it more, we can, but we can go the next.

I know. I think we're about out of cards, but there. Well, why don't you guys, you guys want to the web tour event in Savannah this week? It was like all web tour events. It was absolutely a shot of life. It was, it was a life hole. We got to spend some time with the young hitters. Four of the five young hitters, Justin Heuber was unfortunately out with injury, but I think you'd be seeing some content upcoming, hopefully getting everybody to know the young hitters

a little bit better. We wanted to do kind of like the tour truck video that was mentioned earlier. I'd like to do one of those kind of on each guy telling their backstory a little bit. Sponsored time with them we played the Pro Am very nice of the tournament to invite me and my head or TC out to the Pro Am we played with Southern Charms Chef Rose who was absolutely delightful. I got more DMs about playing with Chef from our site. You know people I haven't talked to for a really, really long time, my, you know, ants and people from college that hadn't, you know, that I didn't know, followed me on that.

Yeah. And, yeah, he was, he was great. It was quite full. Course was fun. Yeah, it was pretty, it was premium cheesecake. Yeah. It was fosio. Uh, yeah, actually greens were mega pure.

Greens were super fast. Like some of the best, best greens they'll play on the web all year. Played with Willie Wilcox on the front line. Who was a revelation? By the way, I think he, like, and I don't say this in a pejorative way at all, but I think he kind of semi intentionally

puts out a vibe on Twitter and social media, shout out to Wave god will cops won on Instagram of just kind of like that serve for bro and he could not have been less that in person he was thought he was super thoughtful super smart fun engaging guy and then Harry the hitman Higgs on the on the back nine was a big fame of the podcast and just a good good guy all around Harry almost ace the short par four number five of the front which and Zach was playing in the group ahead of us but just just going out there and hanging out on the on the range and the putt and

green on Wednesday afternoon at the web event was the music blaring out on the on the range it was awesome it was like you know we're talking to talking to mav we're talking to our hitters watching brand of mathies hit the ball 390 yards well that was one cool thing that I will say about about the young hitters is I didn't know you know the I don't know how much insight we've given people as far as kind of how we chose those guys and I'm sure some of it will come out a little bit more in the video, but like basically all of them, we kind of concepted the idea with... We're sponsoring Five Players on the Web.com.

Yeah, we have not mentioned that, sorry. But we kind of concepted the idea with an agent, Drew Carr, shout out to the Fidelity fam. And he's sponsored, or he represents, he thought we had, you know, he had five players that would all be a good fit. So I didn't know how well these guys know each other or anything. And we're out there on Wednesday after the program. And all four of these dudes who were in the field were all out there hitting

balls together, watching each other hit balls, shooting the shit. It almost felt like, I don't know, it felt like a NASCAR team or something. It was like a high school team that was out there. And Charlie's got the staff bag. And everybody's standing there watching Brandon hit because Brandon, you know, literally Brandon's driving him across the road on the other side.

The road is like 355. Like I'm like Cam champ. And then like, you know, Frank Licklighter's three or four spots down, grinding, like the whole, the whole scene is just outrageous and fun and low key and casual. It's like, I love going out to PGA Tour events, but I love going out to web events more because it brings you back to kind of that foundational, why I love golf. It feels like golf. Yeah, exactly. And if you're, if the web tour is coming to your city, go out there, watch it. You can get so close to

the players. You can say, Hey, to the players, if you see any of the young hitters out there, tell them you're your fan of the podcast and that was one of the coolest. Or if you list, if you hate listen to the podcast, you can tell them you're not a fan of the podcast. That'd be an interesting conversation too. That was one of the coolest tweets this weekend was like guy like had all the hitters flagged on. Yeah, he's like, I'm checking web web.com scores. Which is sweet. And we're lower. Lower got a he used T12 backed up his solo second last week with the T12. And also, I mean, I think we bagged on the tour a lot. I think they've they've

added some really good events to the web tour of the last couple of seasons. This is a second, even without sponsors. This is a second year for the Savannah event. They've identified it as this isn't them talking. This is me talking even without sponsors. This is a second year for the Savannah event. They've identified it is and this isn't them talking this is me talking is like cool like why don't we have more events in the southeast we just have to in Georgia We don't have any anymore. There's said all right cool. We'll add one in Savannah This is a tournament or a Market that we want to be in long term that's got you know, it's kind of a middle market. It's perfect and it's a great course

Like we need more good courses. So they did that. So the whole thing they are doing, like, TVC Colorado this year, Sarasota they added, San Antonio. They've added four or five really cool events. And, you know, I'm psyched. I think the web tour, top end of the web tour, and the bottom end of the PGA tour, Not far off. No, no definitely not at all

So a lot of content to come from that one and additional content Tuesday night going up our Peak with Jordan's beef. This was about two years in the making of this interview a year and a half actually the We're actually supposed to do it around the 2017 open championship He went on to win that and kind of screwed up scheduling and asterisk kept getting bumped and bumped and bumped and we finally met it happened. Good timing for it and he breaks it all down. Everything that has gone wrong with his swing in his game and it, man, it was really interesting

to me. I think he had convinced me by the end of it that he's got it all figured out. No, people are asking if I'm backing off my pick, I'm not. To be honest, I didn't know he was playing the Lairo. So I wouldn't have planned it. I would have tried to, I would have waited a week to give him the podcast bump. But no, that'll come out next week. What is the FedEx 186?

Something like that. It's not great, which is wild. It's like halfway through. It's crazy. Yeah. Also, I watched a lot of Punta Kanna this week. Can they just put the guys standing in the event? It's amazing.

Next to the score, like I don't need to know what the guy in the Punta Kanna event is in the FedEx cup. I need to know what he is in the tournament. You're forcing me to my phone. I'm gonna get distracted and then I'm gonna tune out from coverage. Just put T4, just put it up there. It's not that And then I'm gonna tune out from coverage. Just put T4. Just put it up there.

It's not that hard. There's 50 other numbers on there. Just put it up. I was watching Julian and the Euro Tour of it this morning. And I saw, like he was playing the 18th hole. And I saw a little fourth thing up in the graphic. And I was like, what the hell is that? Rolex.

What the hell does that mean? Fourth. Like he's playing his second shot. It's the 18th hole. I was like, oh, he's fourth in the tournament. Yeah, that makes a total of a piece of Info great piece of info. You sure there wasn't his standing in the Windom reward challenge or whatever that is Shout out to the Windom reward challenge eternal shout out to them. All right. Let's wrap it up Get back to the a on-rish reward challenge this week as well. Yeah, we go. Yeah, keep tabs on that Cool. We're off to the ringer this coming weekend. We're not gonna wrap up there

I don't think, but be ready for some masters. It's time. A day loose. Here we go. Master's content is coming. It's all coming. The takes are coming.

Thanks for tuning in, cheers. Two, fuck on. Let's get it right club. Be the right club today. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is better than most.

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