No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 220: California Road Trip (Tourist Sauce Season 3)

Episode Date: June 5, 2019

For season 3 of our travel series "Tourist Sauce," we ripped up the west coast in an RV and played some golf along the way. We breakdown our trip from Rustic Canyon, Ojai Valley, Sandpiper, Monterey Peninsula, Pacific Grove, Pasatiempo, Stanford, and Harding Park. We also met up with George Gankas, camped under the stars, and had a blast in some unseasonably cold weather. Stay tuned for the video version of this trip, starting June 18 on YouTube.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Bits, doing this a bit delayed from when we usually do a trip wrap up. Wanted a podcast to go along with the release of season three of Taurus sauce. If you've somehow missed that, season one of Taurus sauce was our trip to Australia.

And season two was a much longer trip to Scotland. Season three was in California. First off, DJ, I want you to tell us a little bit about the spirit behind this series. And we can then break down how season three went. Yeah. First of all, Sally, thanks for having me on the show. Always a pleasure. Thank you. And we should mention, and also we got the whole crew here. That's right. on the show. Oh, it was a pleasure. Thank you. And we should mention, and that's what we got the whole crew here. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. Last time we did a whole crew podcast, this is wild. That's wild, man. Have we ever fully done that? I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, we did the trap draw. The franchise first of all. First of all, the only one. Well, that's true. Well, listen, we're D-Rail already here. We'll send him post. Yeah, so the spirit of TuraSauce, I think, can most easily be summed up by, you know, it's just a, it's our take on the travel series, you know, it's showing hopefully what

a, either an aspirational or a very regular golf trip can look like depending on the location. I think Australia was kind of in that, you know, hey, none of us have any idea what golf in Australia looks like, so let's bring your cameras and go check it out. And Scotland was, okay, here's a place where a lot of us have been, and a lot of people have been, and there might be some more familiar things that you're used to seeing, but let's cover it in a hopefully different way and maybe work a little history in there, or a couple characters in there. And then season three, I think we're trying to do something totally different.

I think it came out much more, I hate using the V word. It's much more of a vlog style, I would say. Kind of a day by day breakdown of what it looks like when people stop being all polite and start getting real in the RV. So yeah, I think it's hopefully people enjoy that aspect of it and enjoy taking some golf trips that are a little different than going to making a video on a one-off resort trip or something and really exploring the space to quote Bruce Dickinson on the more Calvoss

sketch. Yeah, and I think we kind of just wanted to do something different for the domestic season, right? Yeah. And one thing that we celebrated so much in season two was the whole golf culture of Scotland and how you can go over there, you can show up and play literally their best courses and you can pay to play it. That really isn't the case in California and in the United States.

You'll see in the season we didn't go to LA Country Club, we didn't go to Bel Air, we didn't go to, we didn't go to Monor Open Itself. But that's a different story. But that atmosphere doesn't exist, but there are, I don't even want to call them second tier courses, but the next tier of golf courses in California are also incredible and accessible. We found some that are crazy, but the next year of golf courses in California are also incredible and accessible. And we found some that are crazy, well, the first one we're going to talk about is the crazy, maybe the cheapest deal in golf that I've ever seen. The best value in golf. Yeah, to be.

And so, yeah, we want to do that. Places that were accessible. And we also wanted to just add a little wrinkle to it. So, we rented an RV and the five of us lived in that RV and took it from LA to San Francisco and played eight rounds of golf along the way But TC was our our organizer of the trip and laid out the itinerary want you to kind of break us down break down the itinerary for us and Let us know some of the courses that didn't quite make the list because itinerary I tinerary guys coming for It's gonna be hot and heavy with itinery guy there for probably a good eight weeks while we

All we release these but You know, I think we wanted to get a quintessential California experience while also kind of marrying that value element of it to that make it as approachable as possible so We knew we wanted to start in LA. We kind of bandied about starting down in San Diego, but it was just going to be a little bit too too far-flying a little bit too far-flung, a little bit too, not dense enough of a trip. So, ended up starting in LA. Some of that was predicated upon where we could pick up the RV as well. Can you talk about renting an RV, by the way?

What was that process like? It was like, it was on this app. Let me just, what's the app? Outdoor-Z. Nope, no free apps. Okay, I will believe that. And, yeah, yeah, beef. I got a little bit of set in place. But yeah was it was kind of I mean, I was kind of like man

like I can't believe you're gonna give us your $100,000 RV and let us just Take it up the Pacific coast highway is a is a hundred thousand art dollar RV like an expensive one Is that middle the road? I don't even know if it was $100,000. It's assuming it was probably more than that. I mean, this one was basically, we got the longest RV that we possibly could without having to get a class C driver's license. So it was like 32 feet, I think, and had a giant slide out.

But as far as the actual itinerary itself You know there was certainly some like we didn't really the possible robles or possibly robes I don't know I would say robes But we were planning on getting up there hunter ranch Soul Park was one in in the Ohio region that we didn't get to on our main trip But actually kneeling Randy on their return down to SoCal, they returned the RV got to. Shelf the strap was. Just lying, lying in the weeds, they're waiting for their moment.

We love to have gotten up to Northwood, up north of San Francisco, but it was two or three hours up there. We thought about Sharp Park, we thought about Presidio, a few others in the San Francisco Bay area, but it know, just bottom line is it's pretty tough to to squeeze in more than seven and eight nine rounds of golf in a 10-day trip when you have to drive the whole way too Which was plenty and short days, which was plenty of time in the RV And so and this was this was February so You know the days are a lot shorter than, you know,

when we go to Scotland, it's, you know, 15 hours of daylight, 16 hours of daylight. And here it was, you know, probably nine or 10 hours of daylight. Well, I think we were kind of also picturing sunny, so-cal, California vibes, like cruising down the Pacific Coast Highway. Randy, breakdown, the, what was the reality of the situation that we got out West? It was unseasonably cool and wet. Now, we got lucky. We didn't get rained on,

per se, but there had been a lot of rain. We did get wet. We got rained on, yeah. Well, I guess a little up north. I was thinking more like SoCal. It was the wetdest run I've ever played. We got right. Well, I guess a little up north. I was thinking more like so cow. It was the wetdest run I've ever played. Yeah, so it was just soggy everywhere we went. The big joke was, like I think I was perpetually just cold for, you know, in my case, like 14 days. It was.

And it messed with our itinerary a little bit. Like I know we had to scratch Moro Bay from the itinerary midway just because we were kind of lost. We lost around, some of the courses were closed. When we played some of the courses, it was the first people, we were the first people planning them in four or five days because everything was so washed out. We were like, what is the first storm? Yeah. We were almost the first responders.

The first storm. Yeah, the first storm. The other thing too is, is everything had to match up with like having a place to park the RV and stay overnight. So Which where did we where did we park the I was certainly a you know a fun thing to figure out and like RV culture is is wild. It's so tell us about it You feel a certain connection or certain kinship to all the people, you know, all your fellow RVers all the way along the way. You know, you're just kind of giving that affirmative head nod. But yeah, I mean, the first night, like, our, the park where we were supposed to stay down in Ventura Beach got totally washed out. So we ended up staying in the parking lot at West Lake Golf Club.

So George Gankus. Day zero, we spent the evening with George Gankus. He had just got back from the waste management Phoenix open and just came right over. He was like, yeah, what he boys up to just showed up. And I thought he'd give us like crash lessons, each like a crash lesson. He's spent like 45 minutes with Randy Fixey. He laid his hands on him.

It was a bit of an experience. We'll save some of the breakdown for the actual episode. But Randy was a change man. You got baptized. It was a bit of an experience. Well, save some of the some of the breakdown for for the actual episode, but Randy was a it was a change man. You got baptized. It was transformative. Yeah, I don't want to give away too much because I think it will come across in the video appropriately. We spent like three hours with him in the pouring rain after he just thrown back from Phoenix. Yeah, like he absolutely did not have to be there. He did not have to put in that much time, but he was so much fun to talk to. I Loved his vibe, his energy. He's such a so-cow. Just bro in the best sense. It was a real shot of life. A great way to start the trip. My favorite part, I think that we, uh, the became kind of some of the part of the lexicon of the rest of the trips. He left me a message after we met with him

I they're just thankful for coming out. He's like, yeah, your boys are dope It would be hard to picture someone with a more opposite vibe to Randy's vibe than Gankus. You think so totally Super-energy super-entangled. Oh, yeah, I think it kind of masks a very West Coast apathetic. That's probably true. Yeah, yeah. But I know he's like a very type A West Coast. Yeah. He reminds me of Zach Blair.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, golf nut bouncing off the walls a little bit. It was passion. Like it was like true passion. Legitimately, he charges. I don't want to know how much he charges per hour. It's a lot. And he just showed up. I was true passion. I legitimately, he charges, I don't want to know how much he charges per hour. It's a lot. And he just showed up.

He was enthusiastic about coaching us through the golf swing. Neil, what's on your mind? First tour saw a season back. You missed season two. It's nice to come off the bench and, you know, heat up quick. You're going to call me the microwave man for a reason. The fifth man award. I appreciate that.

The beginning of the trip was your first full-time day with No way Up. It sure was. When we picked up the RV, I felt like we were going through a master's class. I felt like I was taking notes, like a mechanic trying to figure out how to work the slide on the RV. More to come on that later. But I will say about Gankus and Randy.

I'd say opposite end of the spectrum with what Gankus was trying to do with Randy's game in that he was trying to add hashtag speed. Yeah. And you know, Randy, it's like a freaking erector set with him getting from the top of the swing down the ball. So it's, I mean, it was quite, it was quite a confluence of ideas. Yeah, when you get that speed going, there's so many moving parts. A lot of things. Shick can go wrong really fastly and really quickly. It's like a rock anti. It's like a G forces, you know, it's told Randy that his clubs were like two feet too short. Not one not two feet, but yes, significantly short. You're sick, say you should be hitting the shit out of the ball,

man. Well, Neil, with the RV, I wanted to compliment you. You kind of became more or less the keeper of the RV. I thought you were a little bit Mr. Mom that way, in a good way. Well, T.C. and I were kind of the only ones with the manual, because it really wasn't like an owner's manual. And I just felt like something was going to go wrong if you didn't follow these steps. It's like the Apollo missions, you know? Like check, you know, like flip this, check. You know, they go through like all the exercises

before they actually launch. The procedures are in place for a reason. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I will say it was fun seeing all the different places that we ended up parking that thing in sleep. And we got the whole spectrum. Yeah, we were at RV parks. We stayed at Stanford one night in the parking lot.

We stayed at West Lake one night. You guys stayed at a truck stop. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we also introduced a little competition element, which we're not going to spoil on this podcast, but the idea behind it was that the loser,

we had losers of the competition just had to do embarrassing or uncomfortable things. And we won't say what those stakes are yet. There's a stroke play component. And then qualifying and graduated to match play. Went to match play which went all the way to the last hole. So that was fun and there'll be more on that one season too. Ready to break down the courses? First stop we made was at Rustic Canyon. This is it's hard to say distances or kind of time frame but about an hour from downtown LA we say say? I think everything might be an hour.

Yeah, I think it would be a bit of a take. It also might be like five hours, depending. Yeah. Gil Hans and Jeff Shackleford Design, I think I alluded to at the top of the show that this is the course that for me was like light bulbs flashing, like a must play course. I mean, I pictures things being so, and they are so expensive in LA, I do not fathom how we played a weekday twilight rate, and it was $20 per person. And their most expensive rate I can find on the website

is $67. And it's called embarrassed that I wanted to give them more money. Yeah, it just did not add up, because the golf course is absolutely tremendous. I thought, you know, that's, I don't know what the exact type of grass was on those fairways, but every single place we played was the balls backspending mud balls. We played it up in the fairway everywhere.

And even with all the rain they got, balls were rolling out in this like, fachy fairway. And there's no rough out there big wide fairways. And just really bold holes, five par fives. It breaks a lot of rules. And it just has drivable par fours. And it's the exact style of fun golf that we, I don't know I don't want to compare it to sweetens, but it's like in that same kind of realm of weird different wonderful tremendous fun golf experiences.

Some of the best collars for greens I've ever seen before. And the greens were super pure too. That was, I could go a lot of different directions, like my favorite haul out there, but the sixth hole stands out the most, the long part three over the canyon with the big punch pole. to be a super pure too. That was, I could go a lot of different directions like my favorite haul out there, but the sixth hole stands out the most, the long part three over the canyon with the big punch bowl. But I mean, gosh, that was just a fun, fun round in a place that, you know, I'm looking back at it.

Somebody texted me and he's like, hey, should we, like, go out of our way to play rustic? I was like, yeah, I think so, but, man, do you expect, like, it's, you know, and I look back at it and like, no, do that, that is a proper promise. That's one of my favorite, I think it's one of my favorite courses I've ever played in the US. Right, it's, in that back nine, it goes up the like, no, dude, that is a proper promise. That's one of my favorite courses I've ever played

in the US. Right, it's in that back nine, it goes up the hill, up the canyon, I guess, into this little different part of the property, you got to between these mountains and it was tremendous. I can't believe that that course is available for play. Apparently it is a very busy course, which I would imagine that price it should be.

That kind of speaks to the whole, you know, why is it busy? It's because it's fun, it's playable, it's cheap, it's, I don't think the formula is, you know, crazy complicated. You know, when you look at these kinds of places that are super fun to play and they happen to fill up, I mean, why don't we replicate that in more places? I don't really know how we got away from that. I'd say a theme I noticed there and some other courses that we'll talk about on the trip

was, I got very different vibes from the front nine in the back nine and I think out I'd say a theme I noticed there and some other courses that we'll talk about on the trip was I got very different vibes from the front nine in the back nine and I think out there Not as much as like Pacific Grove where they're just very different courses, but here it was like the lighting changed because of the mountains and then on the back nine There's a lot more elevation which does not come into play on the front nine Um, which I I don't know I pros out to the group like do you guys like when courses do that or do you like them when they feel A little bit more uniform front nine, which I, I don't know, I pros out to the group, like do you guys like when courses do that or do you like them when they feel a little bit more uniform front nine and back nine? Well, Shaq first of all, Shaq said, like you must play it

in the afternoon, because we'd initially scheduled it in the morning and Shaq was like, no, you've got to play on the afternoon, the lighting gets crazy good and it's West facing or kind of Southwest facing. So that was, that was a component of it, but I thought it flowed. Yeah, I didn't think it was, it was, you know, bipolar or anything like that. I thought it flowed pretty well.

It just got a little bit more severe as you got to the back nine. Um, I could have played that first hole. Like it was, a lot of the holes were just very, very unique. I could have played that first hole 10 times and probably played it a different way each time. I thought to your question, Neil, I mean, I thought it was kind of two sides of the same coin. It felt very different, but very cohesive at the same time. And I love when golf courses do that, when it feels like you're, this is way too grandiose of a way to say it, probably, but when it almost feels like you're reading a book or taking a journey

or something through it, and there's peaks and you know, you get kind of like the entire journey throughout the round. I think that's like unexpected flourishes. Yeah, that's like the sign of it really good. Some of the things, some courses like sandpiper, which we'll talk about, is like you got to taste the ocean on the front and the back nine. Yeah. Whereas I felt like here, you only really got to taste the mountains on the back, like elevation. Otherwise, the front was like, sometimes it's almost like they weave into the feature, whatever the feature is on both nines. And some courses leave it all for one nine.

Yeah. So I think it's, it's, this really worked for me because it kept you guessing, like it was not formulaic at all. And, you know, if you play, you know, enough, if, first of all, the if you play enough, if the first ball of the old course might be my favorite golf course in the world, the whole two through six are formulaic. They all go the same direction. They all have the same principle to them. Individual nuances to them.

But this one is like, when you turn the corner especially when you're playing over the first time, you don't know what the hell is coming next. Look over and see greens and you're like, wait, is that a golf home? And you get there like, whoa, shit, it like bends this way. And it's got an 80 yard wide fairway. I could play it all this different ways. I think it, and it really a finishing stretch too

when you go up the hill and kind of come down there at the very end on like 15 and 16 were awesome. And we got that mega light that Shaqlfer was referring to in that. You push cards? Yeah. Our man Deetson. Our man, Deetson. Yeah.

Brian Deetson from NCIS, which, you know, we're not, I don't think it really is a number one show in the world, which is news to all of us. Yeah. We're not in the NCIS fans, but he's like, yeah, I was like, how's the show doing? He's like, yeah, it's been good. It's been number one for like 15 years.

For sure. Yeah. Is that good? Is that good for you? Yeah. I think that my favorite thing about Rusty Canyon was the par fives did such a good job of they were so distance limiting if that makes sense. It was and starting even with the first hole you mentioned, Tron. It's like that second shot, you're kind of it's like,

yeah, you can go for it if you want, but we're pretty much taking the three wood out of your hands here. You're going to, if you miss, you're going to be absolutely boned. And I thought the fifth hole did an awesome, yeah, kind of all winds through this barrenca, which is kind of, to your point, Neil's kind of like the highlight feature of that hole front nine. And the fifth hole was the same kind of thing where it's like, if you're going to go for it, you better absolutely hit a hero shot here. Otherwise, yeah, it might be a short par five, but like you are laying up.

Three was like that. There was a short four, and I think I made a seven or eight. That was gonna be my vote for a favorite whole album. For sure. It's just such a good example. Everybody talks about the ball and how far everything goes and blah, blah, blah. I mean, that was the perfect example of raining that in a a totally smart totally fair totally interesting way I'm dying to go back and play that course in August or September when it's been hot and it's

Copiable not coppable like imitatable like that that kind of style of it's conditions obviously you need it playing fairly firm and stuff to make it Play the way it's supposed to but yeah, I mean the the traits are are there to copy playbook is, the playbook exists all around the world. Well, so the distance limiting theme, I think feeds right into the next course. I felt that way about. That oh, hi, Valley. I don't have Valley. Randy, do you have anything you wanted to add on Rustic?

No, you guys covered it. I was kind of mopey that round. I was a lot of Georgia's swing thoughts were going through my head. And I, uh, He was jet lag, Randy. Admittedly, I was a little jet lagged and just, I was a lot of Georgia's swing thoughts were going through my head and I used jet lag raiding. Admittedly, I was a little jet lagged and just I was playing very poorly. And then he was also quite taken by, you know, the valley was kind of an area that we were

totally unfamiliar with and we actually made a stop at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on the rink. On the rink, you got to be such a big Ronald Reagan guy. So magnanimous of you guys, that was really classy. So I think he was just in a really reflective mood out at rustic. Yeah. I feel like we should try to drop some pro tips in here for anyone who's going to go play these courses or plays the only thing that we kept hearing while we're there is everything breaks to the gate. So I want to make sure I still don't know if it's true.

I didn't make one fucking putt the entire day. But allegedly everything breaks towards the gate that you could that you drive in through. So I forgot that for the whole first time. We got to town. I'm like, oh yeah, it did tell us that I love courses like that. I love what it's like. Oh, everything breaks towards Phoenix. Everything breaks towards a mountain of Michigan, which everything you'll play with somebody every now and then and they'll be like, hey, you know what, everything breaks toward the ocean. And you're like, I don't think it does, man. Just because that's where the water is, it doesn't mean where it breaks. So, yeah. So take that with the greatest solve,

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Up through this high mountain pass, and then, oh, I was really cool. Like the town is kind of secluded. It's pretty close to LA, but it's so secluded and very throwback. Yeah, up in this kind of canyon. The Seoul Park is up there as well. That's their beauty course up there.

And oh, hi, it was George Thomas design built in 1923. By George Thomas and Billy Bell, we got a big history lesson on George Thomas. He actually did this one right before he did LACC, I believe in he, he wasn't even a full time, like golf course architecture was a hobby. He was a botanist. He was a botanist.

He was a neurosis. Specialized in roses, which is crazy. Made some crazy developments in roses, too That apparently we still we still use species. Yeah, didn't get paid for his design at Ohio Valley Yeah, we did it as a hobby. Just did it for fun. Yeah, well sometimes people get paid for the love of the game Right, well, I think I like to say we get paid for I'm gonna say that's not with you. It was a strong implication They get paid very much, but it was such a wild...

On that cue, let's throw a two-cameras away. It was such a wild throwback course to where this another one with a front nine and the back nine were pretty radically different, I think. Yeah, that's out of doubt. We played the back nine first. It was so cold the morning we teed off. Like it was a frosty lay for probably two or three hours. There's snow up on the mountains next to the course. We had a delightful breakfast in the end.

And I know that's- As a former hotelier, I was blown away by the property. Well, I know it's not like the weather and the coldness doesn't, you know, isn't that relevant to the reference to the golf courses, but it is gonna be an important kind of theme for the videos when they do come out. So that's why we mentioned it as like, man, it kind of wore on us by the end of it,

I'm not gonna lie. So, but yeah, we started on the back nine and that I was like five holes in, was kind of like very much, it was super wet and the, it's kind of, the condition is tough. And it was sort of back and forth. It was stretched to the UFA.

It's a different, it was a different part of the property than the rest of the course. And then when we turned to 16, so 16 and 17 were these lost holes. Original holes designed by George Thomas, but that were lost when they were so good. And they redesigned following World War II. And in 99, they brought those holes back. And those were like two of the best golf holes out there.

And then you flip over the front nine, and I was blown away by the front. Yeah, it got crazy on the front. There were, I mean, there was a short four that was probably, I don't know, 260. Yeah, two, you know, dog leg right, but you could, I mean, like, three, 40. One was nuts, it was this crazy dog leg right.

Another short four. I'll kill like 70 feet. I couldn't have no idea where you're hitting it too. Two was, you know, you could hit a variety of different shots, but bottom line is your distance control better be on point. Yeah, you could hit drivers having an iron off the teeth. Three with anywhere you wanted to get. 100 yards?

Yep, 110 yards. This is short. Yeah. Don't postage stamp kind of green. I think two would be my vote for favorite hole. And it's another theme I like. It's like, I don't really like it when courses use elevation like all the T's a hundred feet above. Yeah, but I like it when on that second shot there over the ravine I was like this is supposed to be 120 yards it looks like 190.

I really have to do that. I don't think it's gonna make it of course I airmailed the green. I've seen the way. Listen, the apexes are hot. What do you want to say? Well, and that's what the whole, they really started clicking me when we turned over the front because it felt like, all right, now I see what he's doing here. This is a use of this land.

It's bold, it's kind of wild, and it is, I wish we could get it, of course, when the balls release rolling out a little bit, but they really use that land and create in a creative way. It wasn't like, oh, there's a golf hole right there. It's like, oh, this is kind of screwy, and this is kind of wild. I really enjoyed that part. So, demanding par fours on that side. There's another really, really short par three. There's a, you know, kind of par four and a half. A lot of watches, which is kind of in that same category

as number 10 at Riv. Doesn't get much more different than Russ at Canyon. Yeah, I think the other short for on the front was six, which was the best example of, it was really, really, really short, nine holes. I forget what the front nine actually played on the card, but so short, but that was the perfect example of like, dude, if you can't hit a draw, you absolutely can't, you cannot go for the screen. And it just, the 80 yards, like the approach shot was like I think I you're hitting wedge, but you're still like the pain was on the left side

Yeah, it was reminiscent of 10 of Riviera the green was so narrow. Yeah 6200 yard golf course to be you know, and it's not a long golf course No, but it was and I think it would be really fun to play I don't know I'm speaking on both sides of my mouth I guess but it'd be fun to play with almost like a limited flight ball, playing from the kind of member teas or whatever, just to have fun kind of trying to shape it both ways and to play the course out kind of the way it would have played in the 60s or something, because it did. There were a couple holes that were just, I mean, they just played too short. That's kind of just

the reality of how it is, but there were, at the same time, even though they did play short, there were still holes like that six where it's like, okay, we're still gonna dictate which way you have to shape the ball, otherwise you have to lay up. Like, you know what I'm saying? It kind of took some of the distance out of your hands

a little bit, which is cool. The two part three is on the front nine, or 115 and 128 for tips. They were two of the most demanding holes we put in the entire trick. I don't think I've partied there, though. It is at $170, I would say that courses definitely not cheap.

That's more in line with the expectations of what I had, which made Rusted Canyon stick out a lot more. I think it falls in line with the resort. The resort is this getaway for people north of LA. That LA people that want to get out of town and go up into the mountains and kind of check out So I think the price kind of comes with that and I'd add there Randy and I played Soul Park down the street about ten minutes down the street on our way back down so it won't be

Intour sauce, but I would have almost added as it makes Ohio Valley in a More attractive destination because you almost get like a two for one because I think it was 30 bucks to play out there. Yeah, if you think about, you know, instead of 170 for one round, you can play two rounds for 200. Yeah, I think it helps justify Ohio Valley for sure. How the two courses compare in your guys mind? It's very similar like Rustic canyon versus the fairway,

like tea to green was not anywhere near rustic canyon at Seoul Park, but the green run offs and the green complexes were really nice. Which is, yeah, I think a bit scruffier, more local flavor of rustic canyon. I don't know the exact history of Seoul Park, but I know Gil Hans came in and redid all the greens and reshaped everything, right?

Yeah, cool stuff. Yeah. I think that one of the coolest things too, and Randy probably speaks to this better than anyone, because I remember you kind of gushing about it a little bit while we're there, but just the throwback vibe of that place, it felt so, like you can picture, it felt very like rat-packy, kind of, you know, you've- There's a scorecard, maybe the best scorecard. Yeah, yeah. You see all those old Crosby Clambeck kind of photos

and being Crosby and all those dudes, going out and playing golf and like, God, you can picture that so easily on this golf course and at this resort. Yeah, you can just imagine, you know, those guys having drinks, smoking cigarettes, cigars, it's a course, probably some locker room talk. Yeah, yeah, boy some locker room talk.

Yeah, yeah. Boy, you like that. It's such a course where I can, you just almost feel like, I know DJ, you say with the limited distance ball. You can just imagine people playing it with the old equipment and yeah, just, it harkens back.

It's a throwback for sure. That was a cool that night before we played it. That was a cool campground before we played it. That was a cool campground we stayed out to. Campgrounds of America, Randy's Big Fan. K-O-A. Yeah. K-O-A. Yeah. But it was up in the mountains and it was up next to this river and spectacular kind of light

in the morning there. Also, to speak to DJ's point of insider knowledge. If you play in the afternoon, we played O-Hi in the morning, but we played Soul Park, layered in the trip in the afternoon. At sunset, there's something they call the pink moment, where the sun sets through O'Hai Valley and the west, and it hits the mountains, and it creates for like two minutes, just this pink moment on the hill that turns the mountains pink. How about that? Yeah. It was, what a thrill that was. Neil and I got the pink moment. It was a push and Parker. Yeah, it was great. It that was Neil and I got the pink moment. It was a push and it was a push and Parker.

Yeah, it was great. It was a really nice nice evening. And I was gonna say, I should. Oh, and to give you an idea of the conditions we were dealing with, we had what an hour and a half frost delay in Southern California. Yeah, which was great because we could kind of kick our feet up and have some breakfast. That was not upset about that at all. That's way both ranchers, hasn't it?

Yes, maybe ever. All right, let's move on to the next course. So that took us to San Piper, which was in Santa Brabra, a home of Pushtati. A home of Pushtati, who's been Micah Pushell, lead singer and guitar player for the band Iration, who you've probably seen in some of our random stuff throughout the years. He was in two or so season two quite a bit. And so he was nice enough to host us at his home track there at Sandpiper, which is a

public accessible golf course. Yeah, and this was kind of probably, unless I'm forgetting something obvious, maybe besides specific grab. I mean, this was our ocean views all day golf course, right? I mean, this was like, this was the drone porn course, this was the, you could take, can't take a bad photo kind of place and we showed up there, it was, what was it was like 32 degrees, 34 degrees?

Something like that. We've previously got rained down on previous day and then just opened the course back up next. Yeah, exactly. So that's what Tromba's saying earlier, we were the first people to play there in like four or five days. Thank you for your service, guys. We're gonna write books about us.

And so we showed up there and that's the coldest I've been on the first tee. And quite a while, it was a little nervous how that first tee shot was going to feel on the hands, but it was all good. We started on the back there. We started on the back a lot on this on this trip, but we started on the back, which was kind of great because it was right around sunrise. It was probably, I mean, not probably. It's easily the most scenic 3, 4, 5 whole stretch there at San Piper.

And I don't know. I really, really like Sam Piper. I know, you know, TC, I know it wasn't maybe your favorite course that we played, but I thought it was, I thought it was cool. I think Neil, Neil and I know, and probably everybody else, but we've talked about this a ton where it's like,

I think that it's so hard to have a ranking system that doesn't take into account how you feel playing in the ocean. Because I know it's so hard to have a ranking system that doesn't take into account how you feel playing in the ocean because I know it's so stupid and I know that I should be able to think independently of was this a good hole, was this a bad hole? It irrespective of whether or not I'm standing and watching seals playing, but I can't. I, there's some holes where you're like, yeah,

yeah, I mean the hole's kind of, yeah, it's whatever, but like, look at that giant boat. Look at that beach. How cool is this? Waves breaking behind. Yeah, it's the 11th green. It's like, why? And Randy fell to the home.

There was oil rigs out. All in the bay, all in the channel. There are the channeling. Yeah, Randy had all the ins out there. Randy had his drill baby drill side. This is the scot's thing. T.C. is putting all his, he's... It was a four-wheel drive, I mean.

It was a four-wheel drive, too. Yeah, I think T.C. like, audibly cheered every time we saw it. And oiled rig off the coast. I don't know how to weigh up. I was gonna say, you know what I always, like, in my mind, sandpaper, it almost feels like the Tory pines of the central coast. Yeah, I think that's really good.

I just... I just... I just... I thought it was a crappier version of Tory pines of the central coast. Yeah, I think that's really good. I just could take. I thought it was a crappier version of Tory pines, so that was my take. Um, and this is the one course where I, I wish we started on one because 10. We could have built two. Yeah. 10, 11, 13 are the, are the, are the money holes. And I would have been much warmer, both, you know, I hid literally and metaphorically,

I was checked right into the butternation. Right off the first tee, there on the top. Oh, Mr. Schuster, welcome back. I was like, oh, as Solid says, is your visit for business or pleasure? I don't know, I think it's just fun to play golf next to the ocean. Yeah, honestly didn't think about, you know, T-Skin and I made some points after he

didn't, wasn't crazy about the architecture, and I was like, you know what, I just played a whole round and didn't think about that once. I had a smile on my face the entire time, weirder. I was triggered the whole way. Don't downplay the medicinal benefits of a good seaside breeze. Of course. Oh, you're tired. How long almost did you? He was feeling on the yards. All the yards. How long have you almost done?

You're filming on the pops of the car. Oh my god, Neil almost killed me. Yeah, that's coming. That's coming. So weird to see you, Aaron Meyla agreed by that. 20 yards. I've never seen a car. I was posing over that car.

I was going to be like, how can I say? We all thought of playing with Neil and where I gots probably in. We should catch it. So, Sal and I are filming, we're playing over this whole trip. We're basically playing two different groups and Sol and myself and Pooosh were playing in the lead group Well, the chuckleheads were behind us with the local course not with the local Helping in the yeah, be that as it may early rounds ranking

so without the without the ranking. So without the local course knowledge, Neil had no idea how long of a shot he had into the par 3, 18th. He's posing over the shot and none of us can see it and it literally comes within I'd say four inches of solid head. Just would have absolutely brained it. All over his logger dies. And then he went back through his legs. He rolls through my legs. Shratchic, tragic vlogging accident. He kept the camera on the whole house. The camera was rolling though. I was dedicated to getting that shot. And we got it.

Absolutely insane. influential golf vlogger. Okay. Can we talk about the night before? Sure. I think that was part of it. Oh, that was probably the best camping experience. Yeah, the Santa Barbara, it was this, right off the 101, this little place we stayed, little little mom and pop RV

stop. And then we went to a pizza place in Santa Barbara and then went out in the funk zone, which is a variety of fun, yeah, which all the vint, you know, all the winery is kind of tasting rooms there and just really cool, really cool area, great dogs in the tasting rooms and all that. We're sipping on some good dishes. I, Tron, I need to compliment you. You kind of, one, you led the wine tasting exhibition, but then you were somewhat of our guide

and helped us choose what we wanted and it was a lovely experience. You kind of blew our worlds apart. That's why I was gonna say, I've never been a big wine drinker. And the Srirah we had, I think, completely changed my mind about what wine can be. It was a paradigm shift, I was kind of an hunt for... You're gonna be chasing it forever.

Some funky red, it's ever since. It's like that Asian Caesar at Bandit Trace. We're gonna be chasing that one forever, but I don't remember get to find that. Well, back here, trust me, control him. I'm gonna be the one. Chase, these are Somali's. I got a Somali.

I've got a Somali ace vacation. My wife's a Somali. Anyway. I thought Santa Barbara, the last thing I thought Santa Barbara was, I would love to go back and spend three or four days. Oh, yeah. At least a couple of nights in Santa Barbara.

Yeah. That's a town I could have some fun in. I think Sam Piper is also not cheap. It's like $160 to play during the week, 205 around there on the weekend. There's a lot of varying rates for a lot of these places. But honestly, I think one, a whole time we were playing there, I think you even commented on this.

I was like, how are there not houses not houses? Like this is prime ocean front property. But I think you said they probably couldn't permit or build up. It was like in a brown field site. Okay. Oil refinery. So they had to basically remediate the heck out of the land, I'm sure. And then, you know, I think that's part of the reason it didn't turn into a new area.

Like nobody wanted to buy it because it was so, because you had to bring it back to usable land. Yeah, but, yeah. And the Reds Carlton's right, like right next door. And I mean, it's a prime time real estate, but yeah, it's, you really don't know what you're buying and the crown there. Yeah. And I think that's, maybe sounds estate, but yeah, you really don't know what you're buying in the crown there. Yeah.

And I think that's, maybe sounds cheesy, but I think that's part of what the, part of the whole ocean take that I started with is, and you know, with as much development as you see and everything turned into a hotel or housing or whatever, I think just that feeling of like, God, how about the fact that like this link, it's used for golf? Like, what a, what a, what a weird, feeling of like, God, how about the fact that like this link, it's used for golf.

Like, what if, what if, what if, it's weird, it is expensive? Cool thing. Support it. Yeah. Like, to speak like if we were gonna say a favor, whole number 10 sticks with me. Oh, it's just really unique.

Like a slingshot, bar color, like a drawer, like a corner, like a, it looks like a runway. Yeah, it was an exhilarating teaching. That was, that was, the highlight and those are very first. Yeah, I'm with you. That would have been fun to play when you were a little more.

I was holding on for dear life on that whole. I couldn't feel my hands. I was trying to find the club base. And then 11 is this downhill part three that plays right to the ocean, which is like whoever says feels like you're at Capillou. Yeah, going back up the hill on 12, the next one's like, this is like, that's too far uphill.

But it's like, this is like what I imagine what playing capillaries 13 is the par five over the gorge It's almost like a flat version of number six that pebble beach or something. Yeah, you know, instead of playing straight uphill It's kind of the same it's got the the chasm on the second shot. You can either lay short or go for it Yeah, I don't know. I thought there was a lot of cool holes. I guess on the front nine, our second nine, there's a lot of kind of, you know, 380 yard par fours that are, it would be kind of tough to go through and run you through the entire front nine right now from memory, but that start, I think, set such a good tone for me that I'm like, yeah, yeah, I just, yeah, I had a smile, smile of my face a little bit. I think if you ended on that stretch. Yeah, exactly. Like, which is something I'll talk about with Pasitampo.

And you ended up part three too, which is always kind of different. Like that. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's worth it to just bring it back to what's there. I was going to say that price, I think, seems fair to play golf next to the ocean. Yeah.

And if you took the ocean away, it goes back to the Opele Beach debate. It's like, if Pele Beach didn't have an ocean, but it does. Yeah, but it definitely does. So let's move on to the only real exception to the rule of this trip, which was accessible golf courses. We can skip over big, sir.

Well, hey, listen, I'll get us there. He'll get us there. Just like I piloted the rig. Up through big, sir. I'll get us there. Okay. We ripped across face. We, we, I was curious about the rig up through Big Sir. I'll get this there. Okay, we ripped across face. We shared it out of the other way. Out of sandpiper after lunch with Pooch. And we got up in the big,

we passed the big rock in Moro Bay. Yeah, it's not like, all right. The Moro Rock and the Bull. We'll see y'all, you know, it's almost like, all right guys, well, we're going into the bush. Yeah, see we lost, literally lost cellphone servers. Cell service is gone. But man, I've never it's almost like, all right guys, well, we're going into the bush. Yeah, see we lost, literally lost self-serviced, but man, I've never been through Big Sir and I live in California for six years, mostly because of some of the landslides I had, they cut off highway one. I mean, that gets gnarly out there. It's just big country.

Yeah. Harsh. So, you know, we got through, we camped off the grid I guess a pro tip would be the meal we had at tree bones. No, it was great I will say I think it was the highlight of my trip well Randy I'll say what I'll say is the highlight of my trip was watching the concierge back Randy down and say that Wi-Fi Password is only for guests. I've never been so upset and I realize it's not a big deal at all Randy was trying to consume content on his phone. No, we haven't had cell service for Come on hours. There's no phone zone. They have Wi-Fi so I go to lay

I'm like hey, we're you know we're dinner guests and it's not like a cheap dinner menu You know, it's not you we're not getting like $5 dollars in the middle of nowhere Well, I'm like you talk about a mountain.. I'm like, what's your wifi password? She's like, are you a guest here? I'm like, no, we're just having dinner. She's like, I'm sorry. The wifi's only for overnight guests. So you're gonna have to get the fuck out.

And I was like, excuse me. She's like, it's satellite. I didn't push it. But I want to be, are you guys, are you a full vacancy? Could we maybe squeeze a couple of the the vacant room Wi-Fi well the rest of the dinner you were in the butter nation well Yeah, it was it was bullshit. It was bullshit What she you didn't have international play for the under nation reserves to write to refuse service to anyone for sure Ranny when you open your restaurant you can treat the Wi-Fi however you like I

Was just take one of that. What did it title? What did it title, okay? Our server was fantastic. You like it? And he was a DJ. He was a DJ, he was a DJ. Yeah, huge.

That night the stars were as good as I've ever seen. Well, that's the pro tip, I think, on this whole thing is how good a deal some of these campgrounds were. You know, and it's like, well, you're going through, and you're going through one of the most expensive parts of the entire country.

And it's like, yeah, you can kind of stay at one of these hotels or whatever, and it'll cost you $700 a night. You can stay nice ranching for $3,000 a day. Or you can get a permit to sleep right next to the ocean for $30. Herk Creek State Park, or so. ocean for $30. Her Creek State Park. Oh, Creek Ground in the State Park. That was exhilarating.

We sat outside, watched the stars, had some deep conversations about the Fermi Paradox. The Fermi Paradox. Yeah. My mind was blown. Self-replicating berserker pros. It could be coming. Camping site number 21. If you're interested.

Yeah, it's a mix. Yeah, you look up the beach. You feel like you're not alone. Yeah, it's very cool. It was one of those nights where you look up at the stars and then your eyes fixate a little bit and you see a whole nother layer of stars behind those that you didn't know was there.

And the more you look at it, you're like, where is the big dipper? Because I see all the way more stars than I'm used to seeing. I think I saw the vest shooting star in an actual one. Yeah. Because sometimes I always see like, I'm like, wait a second, once that shooting star, I can't be sure. But I think DJ, yeah, you would have locked it.

We locked on for like two full seconds. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that talking about the Fermi Paradex, led Neel and I to actually listen to that podcast. And I had to turn it off when they said that there's a hundred billion galaxies in the world. What's the podcast? I think we should give them a shout out. It's about the end of the world.

The end of the world podcast. Yeah. All the different ways the world could end. It's very much my speed. And it's, yeah, it's wild. And so it's like talking about is there life out there and blah, blah, blah. So there's a hundred billion galaxies. So, you know, with that said, this is the fight between us. But we have everything in the world.

But we have everything in the world. So, all right, so we make it through the picture. I thought the colors at the next course were really... And we were able to... So, those are the, I'd say, moderate a... Peninsula Country Club. It's where we were going. It is private, but I think it's in some way successful.

That's private. And so, that's private. It's a good police report. So we play with Al Shipnuck, the whole thing. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. And he's like the club ambassador. So I think he's written a club history forum.

So we've got some good details out of him. And there's two courses there. And I would sum up Monterey as, if you were going to create a golf club from scratch, not knowing a ton about the vibe, I would say it's kind of what would be like a five-star five-tool player in the MLB. It's like two courses, awesome practice area, it's surrounded by other really really awesome golf, it's on the ocean, and it has like a large but probably mostly out of town membership. So I doubt that the course is getting beat up with rounds throughout the year.

And a lot of different feeling golf also. Yeah. And a lot of like that first nine holes especially on the dunes course where they like winds through kind of the Del Monte forest or whatever that is with the tall trees and it makes you feel like you're almost in Oregon. Or we're going to North Carolina. I thought that was holes we're going to North Carolina. I thought I thought those holes were going to lack interest.

I was taken by this for seven or a whole. And then he break through those and you just get punched in the mouth by the ocean and everything. It's so cool. And this is like we were getting punched in the mouth. It was by the rain. Well before. These were tough.

In this area. Yeah. It was trench city. So the trench city, you as a tournament's playing the short course while we're there the AT&T Which you guys I played the short and it's awesome. So I hope that you know you guys can get back out and do that Just to let you know like it's it's really You know found a memory as a strap fan anyway, we gave the Strapboy the the private course that I would doubt for us. But club was just to give a little bit of a history lesson. Club was founded

in 1925. There's been some controversy over the logo. Oh, yes. We can deep with a couple of members on this. I don't know what it used to be, but now it's like the sea monster wrapped around a golf flag. What did you not call it puff the magic Seamonster dancing Seamon's the dancing Seamon's the whole day of Seamon's Yeah, the dancing dragon. Yeah, I don't know if that was him to call it that I think that was someone else Yeah, listen Alan did not Alan has the utmost respect

From on or apron until the country club up most respect from on or even until the country club. Oh man, so the dude's course is kind of, I mean, from what I was hearing from Shipnuck, it's kind of like a bastard reiner because he designed it in the middle of its design so the good doctor stepped in along with Robert Hunter and finished the original design and then, Tron, your boy, Reese Jones was delighted to do the redesign in 1998. Don't mind if I do. He said I would love to step up and take over here for the good doctor. So that's Tron's hitter, stepped in, and then most recently Tom Fazio,

and more importantly, also Tron's hitter. And his associates, Mr. David Con and Mr. Tim Jackson, put together a really strong redo. I think we all found it. I love it. Absolutely loved it. I thought it was going to be like this second course. Yeah, and the first hole, I'm like, wait a second here, guys. Especially, God, those last five or six holes were absolutely phenomenal. So cool. First part three on the front was this 130 yard part straight downhill.

Straight downhill with this weird like sand scape-dune thing on the right on this whole hill. That was a crazy hole that that short part four right after it was fantastic. And the greens were wild. I was willing to say that part three was Like up there in probably the top cool top 10 coolest part three is a very place If you get that shot right like two two thirty downhill It's such a satisfying feeling because you're just hitting a giant cut and you they can put the look for me with a big Big hit because it's hard to pin yeah, and they can hide the pin behind the hill But you can use the slope to get back to it. Like that was, that was like really peak golf to me.

I was like, this is a true world class golf course. And you guys have a very different experience. This is again, we're gonna split up groups. Literally don't remember the first 11 whole house. And the keeper got in the corner of the pilot. The order started raining. And probably the point where we were doing auto two puts for four or five holes in a row. It really got to the point where I was like we should not be playing right now.

We have damaged the course. Too much, we were reshaping the greens with each step. Yeah, basically. It probably rained like two inches. Had two. Over the course of those first nine holes. Randy once putted it into a river stream that was running towards the hole, thinking that it would like ride the river and

Last it was bananas. Yeah, I think by favorite part about that course though is how it almost like winds down into the ocean Yeah, like basically with the rain. We just kind of like And so number nine's along like straight almost straight away part five that you get a peak in the ocean. And so number nine is along like straight, almost straight away, part five, that you get a peak of the ocean. Actually, I think from number eight, the part three T before, which is really cool, like through the trees. And then nine, you can see it,

and then you start to hear it, and then you step up on the T on 10, which I'd say the part three's all four of them. Oh, I'd say three of the four are pretty much all world. Ten with the ocean, it's basically like an infinity green, it like drops off and you know it's like the ocean's right behind it with just a great left break and across. There's some surettas there were and then 14 is like on a nice day. There's a bunch of tourists that are standing there like watching people hit T shots

Because it's right off 17 mile drive. Yeah, it's like 14's the postcard Yeah, it's on the it's on the west 14's the postcard But say they're in their virgin side is is just like 1677 we being used of the ocean on every single hole But even beyond that 15 plays away from the ocean But it's a long par five that plays straight up hill with like the bunkers are in the perfect place. You're always thinking about where to hit it, where to leave it, where to run it to.

Green was awesome. Green's from Massachusetts. 16 was a delightful little par four. But no, no. A drivable par four. It's a really wide green. Yeah, a drivable when it's when it's firm probably, but yeah, the green just was so skinny and kind of went on forever It's just yeah, absolutely love it raining. I

So yeah, we'd blacked out on kind of those first 11 holes or so Trying to just survive the rain felt like we're in like rainy season I think all my energy was just trying to keep a positive attitude because we were playing with Alan So then we went in the halfway house and just got a couple bulls of chilly golf all our layers gossiped with Alan Through the through the clothes over about a fireplace. We kept going you guys kept going I don't know why we're not coming Well, and I didn't think we were gonna finish but we stayed in there long enough where the weather got really nice and

There are a couple couple lady members in there Completed about the logo and how they don't like it. Yeah, they've just they got these giant dragons on all their nice polo shirts now Yeah, it's kind of plugged into the local club Which nothing god nothing gets me more excited. Yeah, nothing gets me more excited than like to really Small stakes club minutia basically and like the people who really take it very seriously. I love love that. We got back to our roots the next day. Randy, you want to take us to the next one? Yeah, so I think wherever Monterey Peninsula sits on the spectrum, I think Pacific Grove, like go to the opposite end of the spectrum, and that's where Pacific Grove resides, and not in a bad way. It's just kind of polar opposites. So quick biographical Pacific Grove opened in 1932. It was originally nine

holes designed by Chandler Egan, and then in 1960 they added a back nine designed by Jack Neville. Which was a good decision. Yeah, and so what's, I mean, Neil to your earlier point, it's completely, I mean, it's Charles Diggins, a tale of two cities. It's two completely different lines. The front nine is more parkland and kind of sits on one side of the road. And then you cross the road. There's a very short part, three number 10. And then number 11, you go out to the dunes. And the back nine is essentially a proper links got,

at least 11 through 16, 17, 18. Well, we can talk about those. You know what's the number holds on the course. But it's really the poor man's pebble. I think that's a fair nickname for it. It's the most accessible public friendly golf on the Pacific Ocean. Was it $50 or something?

Yeah, it's a fun way to pay it. For sure. For sure. And I think it just has that. And I don't even, it's not like really scruffy, but it's just got that scruffy, muni feel to. Yeah, the front line looks like literally any muni, you could, you could pluck it anywhere in the country.

To trees, yeah. You have to work the ball. All different kinds of people like practicing on the pudding green, and you know, just all kinds of people teeing off. So what's unique about the front line, I think it starts with two par threes. So you play two par fours and then you play two par five's Which you know, I you probably not gonna get that

That was yeah, that was the first but worth worth pointing out. Yeah, I'm not sure. I do you guys feel there any I mean the front line Is fun. Yeah, I definitely would play it. I'm not disappointed. We played it I mean, the front nine is fun. Yeah, I definitely would play it. I'm not disappointed we played it. People kind of shit on the front nine and say, you know, you only play it to get to the back nine, which I mean, the back nine is better, but like I was intrigued by the front nine.

There's two, some of the part threes are kind of lame. Like two and nine, I think we're just kind of very, very average holes. Yeah, they're just fine. They're fine, municipal, like, if that's all you expect. Yeah, it was one of those places that struck me as Of course, that would be really fun to have as your home course to learn all the nuances of that weird front nine and learn which trees You can get carry in which ones you can't and where you got to leave it and all that stuff I would love to play there every day

We got to talk about their policy on playing from the wrong fairway because between that was Okay, so that's on the back nine so it's not starting on the front nine on the front nine oh I did have that time yeah I'm sorry if you want to start on the five and six yeah if you hit in the wrong fairway you just drop it a clubbing inside the tree line of your own whole which is kind of okay yeah yeah on the front yeah on the front so it's okay like get pace of play and whatnot you get over the back nine and I think it's between holes Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, If you really wanted to be OB, technically that means you've got to retie. Do you want a non- municipal golf people retying and spraying in the other fairway? Well, that's a good point. Yeah.

I'm still a little buttered about going OB. I'm glad you had a chance to use your platform to tear that agreement. When I think DJ, you were a little frustrated too, because they had the... Well, frustrated. ...the native areas were... Yeah, frustrated. ...they turned them into penalty areas. Frustrated myself.

We're not reading the local rules. I mean, he's just an eco-terrorist. Yeah, he was like, what the hell? I can't hit out of here. Well, I was like, I look at these dumb plants. You know, that was the best round I played of that trip. And I was kind of feeling myself a little bit. And I, 12 to short part five.

I was like, oh, I'll just bang it up near the green somewhere. And even if I hit it in one of those sandy areas, just kind of chipping pot for birdie. And yeah, I didn't realize that was... It was gonna be a penalty. In the sandy areas, just kind of chipping pot for birdie. And yeah, I realized that was, it was gonna be a penalty. In the sandy areas defense, it was roped off. You hit on the other side for ropes. Guys, it's my own fault.

I was like, yeah, dude, that's a penalty. I think we'll have parls of 16, 18. 13 was, 13 was prime, my favorite home, of course. I think it was a finisher. 18. So why thought 17 was more than other? 17's a part three. What I loved about 17 is probably what you're gonna say. Well, so 17 was... 17's a part three. What I loved about 17 is probably what you're gonna say.

Well, so 17 the T-Box sits just off this little parking lot, which is off of 17 mile drive. And we had let... There were a couple of groups ahead of us, but it was like a two-sum and a three-sum, I think. And, you know, we were kind of... because we're trying to film and stuff. We're not playing that fast We're not pushing anybody and we've come off the 16th green and there are five people on the team of 17 We're like jeans and jeans or yeah, we're like we have not seen these people all day And they all proceed to tee off and they all proceed to play the whole and as best we can figure is they just parked in the parking lot

We got out and Played 17 things out and stuff Yeah, so yeah, so then it was a you know In 18 what have they done here moment? Have they just lent you on what's like 280 yards? But it's up the hill into the winds. I really played like 360. Yeah, yeah, oh be on the left So so max had just finished his round at the Pebble Beach program

and for some reason. First night basis. Yeah, for some reason thought it would be fun to come out and watch the end of our rounds. It's cold as shit. Putty in the round. Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna lovely Italian dinner.

We did. But I thought 17, 18 are kind of weak in it. I mean, they're just like, first, good as the back nine is. 10, 10, yeah, 17 was whatever. 17 was fun. But yeah, I mean, 10 and 18 for sure, they're just like, connect or hold on.

They just get you back to the club. They get you from the club as to the ocean property. But that God, that back nine is like, I mean, I know that's kind of a point of this whole podcast, but absolutely go play Pacific Grove if you can. I mean, it's like, it's like properly British open style. Yeah, Pacific Grove itself was, yeah, it's good vibes going on compared to like Carmel by the sea. No, almost a refuge. My, well, I'm almost surprised that that Pacific Grove has remained the way it is as just a municipal

18-hole golf course because I could see if anybody wanted to up in the apple cart a little bit turning the front nine almost into like a not executive course but kind of a standalone very municipal nine-hole golf course and then just charging an arm to leg for people to play that back nine on the ocean. don't give them any ideas. Well, no, I'm really glad that hasn't happened because it's awesome to play it as is, but yeah, it's just it's cool. Again, it's kind of like the campsite thing where you're in the Monterey Peninsula and you're walking past shops filled with shit that nobody could ever need in six lifetimes, you know, just all the knick-knacks and cashmere sweaters and like the most golfy It's really seen, it's really seen for sure, which I'm surprised we even were able to drag him to the golf course But you have, it is the the golfiest, I don't mean this as a compliment, the golfiest place on the planet

And then you go to Pacific Grove and it's just, bucks to just you know everybody's welcome go go do your thing Yeah, you can definitely tell like which area gymnans I want to talk about the the place we we stayed up in up in the Carmel the hills up. Oh, God Carmel two nights in a row there. We got actually we got a caramel by the river. Yeah, and I was kind of up on this big hill and in just probably 20 minutes east of Carmel by the sea. And it actually put us close to the refuge. Shout out to the refuge. Which is what you think is just called refuge. Yeah, just called refuge. Yeah, let's go let down. Drop the dust. Refuge. Yeah, let's go let down. Drop the, just refuge. It's cleaner.

It's cleaner. It was everything I could have hoped for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably a little bit more. Big guy and I hit it on the way back and we took books and we hung out for what, four, five hours. Yeah. If you, uh, cycles, if you have no idea what the hell we're

talking about, I would recommend you go listen to the trap draw Which I believe is just called trap draw Neil Schuster Yeah, that's like a young Neil. It's from like Christmas day a few years back Yeah, and Neil goes into great detail about going to the refuge with Tommy armors the third and fourth and It's it's really it was cool to be able to see that in the person and it kind of lived up to the hype, right? I think it did for sure Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course It was cool to be able to see that in the first place. And it kind of lived up to the hype, right? I think it did. For sure.

It lived up to the hype. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And then they make you sign something that says you won't talk. Yeah. I think it's a great wrinkle. It's like, take the pledge. So then next day we went to, we started ripping across face, got vertical up the coast,

through Santa Cruz, to Pasa Tiempo Which I think is one of my top two or three favorite golf courses in the world Alistair McKenzie design Dark doctor. Yeah doctor. Good doctor mr. McKenzie Mr. Doctor McKenzie Marion Holland's commission did who also had a large hand in Cypress Point. But it's definitely, I think the back nine is probably stronger than the front nine, but there's some exceptional holes on the back nine.

It's the perfect example of bringing the Scottish model of golf, the Scottish financial model to the States. It's semi-private, they basically subsidize their, you know, club with public grounds. And 75% of the play is from members, but 25% and they are not shy about it. They'll flat out say like, it's expensive. Like it's like 260 bucks to walk the golf course.

Like, yeah, we charge a lot, but like you get a chance to play it at least. Like, you can't walk up to Monterey Peninsula and do that. You can't walk up to a million courses along that coast and do that. I think they're in $60 there, is it? Without a doubt.

Because it's that good of a golf course. Without a doubt. I mean, it's not only is it, and I was termakenzie golf course, it has been renovated by Tom Doak. So it's like, restored. It's the correction. Which means a lot.

Like, he took a ton of care into restoring it in the way it was meant to be and playing it for modern technology. And you know when you go back to a place like that you visit as a kid or you went to like 10 years ago and you go back to it, everything kind of feels smaller. I was like afraid of that.

I played the course name almost 10 years ago and it was bigger. Like the scale was bigger, the slopes were bigger out there, and the whole thing felt even more grand than I remembered it. And I agree with you, I'd have a hard time naming like 10 golf courses in the world that I like more than Positamp. I'm with you.

This was the second time I'd played it in the first one being six, no, four years ago, five years ago, and I was worried. I was like, maybe I'd just building it up in my mind, remembering what I want to remember. And it was even better this time. It, it, I'm with you, Tron. I'm, I, I don't think I can name three other courses

I'd rather play. And we got the worst possible conditions, grass conditions, while we were there. The greens were shaggy because they got so much rain, the, the polo was super bumpy, and it was drenched at a USA on our feet. So we didn't even get the full experience and we all walked. I shot my highest round and I was like,

that was my favorite round of the trip. I think that's- It's the only clouds I've ever played and been thankful. Like a previous time I played, I had punched the greens and I was thankful. So I was just nailed it. I've played that play six times and I usually shoot over 90 and every time I'm like, man, that was what a thrill that was.

You know, it's like, it's a special place when you feel that way at the end of a round. It's like I just got beat up in a sparring session but I didn't go into the fetal position. Yeah, all right, well, whatever. My nose is bloody, well, whatever, right? But I will say also two things. One, it's one of the only courses

that kind of compares to the ocean courses. Like it's like I get a similar feeling. It's ocean of jays courses that kind of compares to the ocean courses. Like it, it's like, I get a similar feeling. It's ocean of J, it's ocean of J, like it's not on the ocean, but you can kind of see it. From the first two, from the first two. I think it can be put in that category, right? Like I just think it, it's about a freeze or something about it. There's an energy out there.

Yeah. And then I think, so 13 and 14, the back part of the property on the back nine, you get like 14 T, and I love the trench clamp like some 14 is like my favorite thing in the world. Cool. But usually I get, I shoot a million over par on the first like one through like 12.

And then on 13, 14, it's like I've shot like, you know, even or one over and you come in and you're like, oh man, like that's what a great day that was. It's like, what I shoot, 72? No, it's like, no, I stay still. But like it leaves you with good jujube. Even the folds that I thought, like, I thought 17, the first two or three times I played it was a weak hole.

And the more I play it, I'm like, oh, that is a brilliant green. It's just long, narrow, uphill green. And there's just these subtle ridges that run long ways in the green. And it's just, it's a low-key brilliant hole. Sixteen is one of the best par fours in the world. Yeah, that was, that was my first time playing out there. And 16 was the only hole that I knew anything about really. That's what's so weird and cool about POSTIM, but I think probably because they don't have really any televised tournaments there. It's like the most famous course that you never really see or that it's hard to learn

anything about it really or visualize it. So 16 was the only hole I knew anything about, just because we had a big like golfers journal spread about it a couple of issues ago. And yeah, I could play, I would happily play that whole 18 times in a row. And that would be just fine. Well, I don't think, again, that was similar to what we were talking about, Randy. I didn't, when we pulled up to the hole and we got some drone shots of the hole before we played, when we pulled up to it, I was like, oh my God, look at that green. It's the wildest green I've ever seen. And we played with one of the pros, Chris,

and he was on the top tier of the pimmes in the middle. And he's like, dude, if I had this put in next month, I would put this into the rough on the middle tier or else it would go off the front of the green. Like it is the most hazardous green, maybe in America. I can't think of like a more threatening and scary green to put than that one.

I think putting four pin flags on that green and just taking a bucket of balls from different spots in the fairway might be as much fun as you can have on a golf course. And then, yeah, I mean, two, three, four, five. That's what I wrote down. Is it my favorite one? It's my favorite one.

You could argue, I wrote down two, three, eight, nine, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, and 18 and 18 were holes that I thought about making my favorite home. Eleven blew me. I was like in my pocket after about three or four shots on 11. It's the hardest hole. It's so hard. It's so difficult. It's my emphasis.

That was the most satisfying part I've ever made in a golf course before. My whole thing this time around was like, I'm not hitting it into the barank on 11 and I didn't. And but it took all my attention. Like essentially all my focus and energy was I saw already make the most sensible layup on his second shot over the baranker. And I'm really proud of you. Like I refused to hit it in the baranker. I'm hitting it. But I thought like number six green is like unbelievable. And I loved your theory with the six green. I'll let you say it, Tron. Well, Mackenzie's house is right there off to the left

of kind of, it's like it's probably a hundred yards out. Yeah, there's a plaque in the cart path. And nice crib and everything. And he, yeah. Like I can just imagine that he just went out there and tinkered and tinkered and tinkered and tinkered. Like there's a false front on the back end that I've never seen before.

Which is the most diabolical mean spirit and the picture I've ever seen in a golf course. It's just a ton going on in the green. And seven was, I don't know, seven, I forget who was saying it, just kind of doesn't, maybe it's the one hole that doesn't almost feel like it fades to something. It's so cool.

It's awesome. It's just this shit straight out. It's like, hey, there's the hole, it's straight out. And there's these real tall cypress trees on both sides. And you have to hit the ball straight. And that's where I know I can't do it. And it's awesome. I literally every time.

I know. It's not a hard shot. Everybody says it. It's like variety. It's awesome. I treat every time. I know. It's not a hard shot. Everybody says this. Variety is kind of the most important thing in designing a golf course. That's where it's like, that's the one hole. And so many of the other holes are like, yeah, we'll give you, like, you look at like 10.

And it's like, yeah, you hit it anywhere. But you know, you better hit it on the right side if you want to have a good angle and you want to, all this stuff. And yeah, 7Z only where it's like, no. There's a test. just hit it that straight. It's not very far. I think eight. Hit it straight, eight.

Come on, something hard. Just hit it straight. Eight green is one of the most insane. Yeah, yeah. And again, we got it super soft. We didn't even get the whole roll out of everything. I think part of the reason my people get a little but heard about seven is those trees

were planted after we designed the golf course. Yeah, safety, said it. That makes sense. I get complain about that, but it's fun to play. Which is what you ask me, do you think it was easier because the greens were so soft? And I really, I don't know. I don't think it was.

I made one putt outside of three feet. That softness made them impossible to putt because of how bumpy the pole was. Well, and I'm just thinking too, like, your ball would end up in places on some of those greens. Yeah, that's a good point. It was never going to be there if they were dry and fertile. And this course leads by a mile.

The course is where I read a putt, and it literally goes these. Because the exact opposite of what I read or in the even better is, I read it one way, I'm like, oh, this is going left. And you go and look it from the other way, oh, my God, it's going right. And you literally, like, both, it's like left. And you go and look at it from the other way. Oh my God, it's going right. And you literally like, both, it's like, I'm looking into a mirror, it's going.

That was how I felt at Rustic Canyon. There was so much fun. I don't see any nuance in those greens. I don't think I'd run a single part right the whole. It all breaks to the gate, guys. Yeah, sure. What did you guys hit on number three? So the three is an uphill 230 yard,

part three that played dead into the wind for us. I hit a driver. I hit a choke driver. Three would, I think. No, on the green, or anything. Three would. Three would. Yeah.

I also had a six there. There's like a... It's a bunty driver for me. Yeah. There's like a decorative bunker that's about 150 yards from the tee, like before it starts rising uphill and I caught my three with thinned and put it in that bunker. I had a nipper off. I had a hundred yards in the apart.

A squirrel skewer in a bunker. It's a cool course and that you can look back at the tee from from all the greens and not see any of the bunkers. Yeah. Yeah. Master camel flushing by the good doctor. I think you could do a whole podcast on that golf course if we wanted to. Yeah. All the history behind me. We just touched on it and we're gonna try to wrap that up in an episode of Taurus sauce. I'm not sure how we're gonna be able to do it, but I'm gonna do all fog too. Yeah. He was a shot alive. He was a great guy. Yeah. I've been, I never met him when I live in San Francisco, but we changed information and he happened to be coming back from cadding down at the AT&T. Is the golf qualms anonymous? Are we allowed to say who he is? I think we can add.

He's the golf qualms. He's the golf qualms. He's the golf qualms. And he's wore the follow. He takes it the right pick. All right, we have two courses left. DJ tickets to the next one. Yeah, so the next one was the Stanford golf course, which was awesome, the farm. There was another one that I didn't know anything about. There kind of mixed reviews from people who played there in college, and there's family spec. People who went to college to play other sports, Chavots and Neal. And yeah, it was another one kind of that same age,

golden age of architecture, whatever you want to call it, late 20s, 1930, I think it opened January 1st, 1930. George Thomas and Billy Bell, names that you're going to hear obviously a lot on this podcast, kind of the titans of California golf. Yeah, it's a campus course, which already is I'm predisposed to like all campus. I don't know if I've ever seen a campus course which already is I'm predisposed to like all camp I don't know if I've ever seen a camp course. I don't like well Then what a treat to share that with you. Yeah, of course. I think we highlight a check in another one off Our yeah, which we actually we got to see the flag of college last night. We cross that off our list as well So I'd never been to Stanford. Tron got very triggered as soon as we as soon as we rolled Into Palo Alto by all the high achievers. I'm a farmer.

There's just so many high achievers. Yeah, he was feeling very insecure. I'm with you, Tron. I'm actually going to give you a couple of dollars. He was at a Starbucks looking around to get everyone's try to take his watch. You're right there on Sand Hill Road. You got all the venture. Yeah, for no, another highlight was taking Randy past Palantir.

Yeah, and some of the big data coming in. Did you stop in and see Peter Teele while you were there, Rady? For sure. We're doing big things for society, I guess. You couldn't stop gushing over all those guys. And then they're disruptive. So we spent a lot of time, more time than he needed to give us, certainly with Conrad Ray, the head coach of the men's team,

as well as Ann Walker, head coach of the women's team. And they toured us kind of around the whole Stanford Golf of the men's team as well as Ann Walker head coach of the women's team and they toured us kind of around the whole Stanford golf facility and it I've never been more disheartened to not have been a division one college golfer in my life that would have been so fun to play college golf there. Just a lifestyle like with I was state though too., I was state was great as well Listen for sure, but just Being is seeing both places. It's like more evidence of like man

Should have like all yeah, we should have taken it should have practiced more You know, it's also evidence of what there's a lot of money Don't let anybody tell you there's the schools don't have money. So we hung out there for a, whatever, I don't know, a couple hours just walking on the praxility conrad played on Tiger's team. He was telling us he's actually the guy who he hosted Tiger

on his when he came to, when he came to Stanford on like his recruiting trip, he slept on Conrad's futon and they watched Caddy's act, which is like the level that Conrad's plugged in at, which is pretty fun. So, he told us a million stories that I'm sure you'll see in the episode. And then we went out and played the golf course. The golf course was closed. It was a Monday.

Met Freddie Lee. We met Freddie Lee. We met his friend from Perth. was closed, it was a Monday. Met Fredi Lee, we met Fredi Lee. From Perth. And we, yeah, the golf course was closed, so we were able to get out there basically by ourselves. Not basically, literally. By ourselves, there's nobody else on the golf course. And they were nice enough for some reason to just be like, yeah, you know, there you go. Go do whatever you want. Go have fun.

It's a giant playground for you guys. So we went out, played our matches, enjoyed the golf course tremendously, and then we had nowhere. This was the one time, kind of the night, like you don't really like tell your significant other about what it's like. So where are you gonna be parking this RV?

And we're like, ah, honestly, like, we'll just figure it out that night. Like, I don't know, we got nothing lined up. We'll just, someone, something will happen. We'll do it live. Yeah, we'll do it live. And Conrad's like, yeah, why don't you just park it in the Stanford parking lot, man? Just, you guys, do whatever you want.

I can see. He's like, yeah, if you guys want to go in and take showers in the locker room, you guys want to hang out there, charge your clothes. Fight a very crucial. Yeah, so we hung out there, we did some night putting, uh, that right at the, the Seaball golf performance center. And that was maybe one of the most delightful nights of the trip. It was the love of us. I think we, we, we glossed over the previous night saying the redwoods.

That was great. Yeah, that was. Redwoods. RV Park. There was, I mean, the trees were, I don't even know there were redwoods. Santa Cruz. What was that? I was trying to convince us that there was no redwoods.

There was a StarClean accurate. There's a word for a stand of redwoods. Yeah, correct. There's a stand. There's a stand of redwoods. What was the name of the restaurant we went to? The Dutch Goose. The Dutch Goose, which is apparently a stand for the institution.

It came highly recommended from Matt McNeely, friend of the pod, among the best golfers in Stanford history. And it was good, just like a local on campus, Greasy Burger place with lots of cold beer. Lots of hot beer. Significantly last after we left. Let's talk to course a little bit.

I suppose we should do that. So can I interject just because it's whole number one? Whole number one, the T-Shot requires a carry over. Oh my God, yeah. Busy thoroughfare. I haven't been that uncomfortable. I think it's literally a sandhill road. Yeah, it's over like a four lane highway

that you have traffic light. It has a light right there. Yeah, hit your T-Shot. All I'm thinking is, do not top this. Do not top this. That was it. It was. Not uncomfortable there. Yeah, hit your t-shirt. All I'm thinking is do not talk this do not talk this That was it was not comfortable stuff. No, sorry go ahead. No God I would know thank God I cheated as high as I could He slid the dragon. Yeah, I think I repressed that from my from my memory because I did not hit a good shot there, but um

I thought the golf course was just I don't know if you had one word, it's like absolutely classic. It was so, it was very handsome golf course. I think Bo Welling and the, it was cool of them to give some work to, you know, their alumnus Tiger Woods. It was cool for them to throw a little work to his design so I I played the course before and I my first congrats Nieland. Yeah, let's and California for a while. Was this when you were working with computers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I just bring that up to be like,

go on the kid on the kid. I mean, I am the kid, but yeah, it's more just to say like I already had some first impressions and preconceived notions, didn't love the Stanford course, the first time I played it. The bunker redesign was like, I only reduced it to the bunkers, like how much could that help? Well, I was pleasantly surprised. But I do think it is a tail of two-nines.

Yeah. I like the back nine, it goes up the hill towards the satellite dish. More dramatic, and it just feels like more intimate in the hills. I will also say some of the best infrastructure. Oh, the bridge I've seen here. You're going over roads, you're going through tunnels. The bridge on 14, the part three.

I mean, come on. It was like a public works project out there. It really was. It felt very Tennessee Valley. I don't know how much of it was the bum, I would have liked to see it, I guess, before the renovation to see how much change. But God, the bunkering, it's not even something I usually noticed all that much, but I thought

it was just, it was like beautiful. This green tea I was. Yeah, the greens were great. It was just, again, I know it was broken record, but that is absolutely, of course, I would play every single day. The course kind of reflects the student body there, right? Well, we'll flush that out a little bit. That's kind of the take thing that we've discussed.

Yeah, you want to jump in? I think it's still in the oven a little bit, but the take. Yeah, a little bit. It's kind of like it's got like a stand-up. I'm standing up there talking about it. Stanford kind of looks great. The course looks great on the resume. We can just scrape.

Check everybody. The LinkedIn profile looks awesome. Sure resume. It's great. The check everybody. LinkedIn profile looks awesome. Sure. A toothy smile. Tons of activities. Yeah, got a good head shot. Great, great cover letter. Student Council President.

Yeah, Chaplin. Yeah, you know, very polished. It helps out with the local habitat for humanity. You know, it's 7200 yards. It's a championship course. It's got everything you need from an infrastructure stamp. Awesome test scores. I think there's somebody on every hole It's got everything you need from an infrastructure stamp. Awesome test scores.

I think there's somebody on every hole that's like, you know, clippin' the grass or there's horse stables out back. Like, you know, it just, it looks good and uniform. You got like the large, like the weed. Large Hadron Collider. Yeah, yeah, just put it left me. But first time I played it left me. What a privilege to welcome them into our school.

It made me feel like, like when I finished it, the way I feel about past Tampo, like really memorable. I, less than I feel like when I finished it, the way I feel about past TMP, like really memorable, I left them like, I guess I remember the whole with the trees in the middle of the fairway, but other like front nine, I still kind of feel like, I, and that's my, I think the back nine was demonstrably better than the front nine.

And the front nine isn't bad, but I think the back nine really kicked it up, I'm trying to say the course stinks. It's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying some of it, it's almost like, so polished, polished, that it's like it kind of runs together for me a little bit. So I thought like the pictures and stuff on them video

and it doesn't like represent how fun it is to play. Like it's not gonna pop really on video. I agree with that. I think that's extremely well said. But I was like, man, I look like that was really fun. Yeah, I'm not like totally agree. Classic kind of course, it is. Korean core three.

Yeah, it's not like wide fairway with angles, all that stuff that I feel like as the common theme of a lot of courses I love to play. But I was like, man, that was just fun. That was like a lot of challenging fun, interesting golf shots. There's a really cool T-shot where you look out and you see all the way out to downtown San Francisco.

18, I believe. 18, which is sweet. The one thing I will say, 11 is great, to a lot of good back nine holes. To pull the thread on your joint stand for it. That's a strapped approved piece. That's right there. To pull the thread on that take a little bit. It was very safe.

There's nothing wild about that, of course. For sure, you're not getting in trouble. Went to the SAT tutor. You know, had to up that math score. The course's parents. Has been in music lessons since they were three. Can really play the flute. That course's parents know exactly where it is.

I was ready to run through a brick wall for coach Ray. For sure. Yeah, that's a good tip. brick wall for for coach for sure Yeah, that's a good day. I would play for coach right that's to be a highlight episode. I think it is serious So what'd you guys think of it? Well, we got a talk about number two. I love it There's there you guys think it sucks. There's one How about three and guess what I hit the tree. Yeah, I got ejected They're big. They're there's a perfect drawing set this up for for someone who who hasn't seen it There's three giant oak trees in the middle of the fairway

So it's a little bit of an elevated green. Yeah, slight Like I'm sorry elevated tea slight dog like so you can kind of see the whole the whole hole yeah and in the middle of the fairway. And it's not that wide of a fairway. No, probably to start now like 270 out. Yeah, yeah. From the team, you know.

You can't really blow it. You've got to really be kind of blow it. They're just these huge, I don't know what kind of trees. But just these large oak trees right in the middle of the fairway. It was like the tree from Harry Potter, they're like the whopping Willow, just like just out there waiting to eject you. Kevin and Tombo.

And then there's two other, and then there's the big one, and then there's two other ones. Just like it's like a giant middle finger. Yeah. I thought I had a great drive up the left side, hit a great second shot, and so I got crushed.

I guess that would be the only, that would be a wild thing. That was wild, so it's almost like the tattoo I can't see it mom it's dead I don't know yeah it was cool to see the experimenting a little bit exploring them so I had a couple fears I took it I took a drag but I didn't hailed yeah I thought that hole was cool just because it's like you said rain. I mean it's so in front of you It's like dude here's the challenge like there's no tracks. There's no tricks. Yeah I'll just hit it over here. Over here. Yeah, yeah You're such a long hold it down. I'm gonna get to green. You can't hit it over the trees because yeah

Because they're coming in with the wall and iron. It's not like they're around a corner where you can't see it. It's like, do you go exactly where they are? I fully subscribed to the trees. I thought the trees were. It was kind of chaos. It was. The only, I guess, the only downside would be that, yeah, that was kind of the only part of the golf course that was like, whoa!

That was really out of character. Yeah, the rest of it was so, like, so kind of... We're gonna ask him about that in there. It's like yeah, yeah, you lash down a rationaly. Yeah, what let me just ask you during the interview here What what happened in the sophomore Trig and Hama? I see you got a C-minus there There's the weed out class. That was calculus. Well the teacher kind of had it out for me You'll find they were like, oh, the school shortly after that. Oh, man.

We're going off the rails. So then we went north to San Francisco. To the finale. To the finale, I would say that, so it was a hardy park. I believe it was 19, found in, Zan built in 1925, 27, right around there named for. We're in 20. I know. I know. All of you named for. We're in 20, I know. I know, all of you are sure.

President Harding, who actually... We're in G. Not a tour in G. We're in C. Harding. Who actually died in San Francisco. They actually, they said he died in the palace hotel downtown, but there's a legend that he died across the street at the brothel.

And there's a tunnel under the second street where they like took him back into his hotel room. Really? Yeah, he like had a heart attack while I was, you shit don't change time so hardy was a menace that's for sure but so the the course is named for him I would say it's the closest I've come to a home golf course since I was a kid I played out there I don't, 20 plus times while I lived in San Francisco. A very affordable for city residents. I mean, all this we covered in Torres Stas, but like was basically a parking lot for

the US open and they got redesigned and it's a good example of a public private partnership between the city and Sanitatum, Charles Schwab, you know, I'm just talking to Chuck. But the course itself is like everything you want from like a parkland golf course. It kind of uncoils itself. Like the front nine is pretty easy, I would say, especially compared to the back. And there's a lot of long, girthy park force. And then it opens up onto Lake Merced with some of like these like really sweeping views of the Olympic Club across the lake and the row houses

that are like kind of iconic to San Francisco and then at the winds blowing it's you know it kind of shows its teeth a little bit but Tom the GM who we played with basically said it's like what you see is what you get. It's kind of like right out there in front of you, which I really like about the place. So you can really, if you're playing well, you can really score. Yeah. But when they grow the rough out, you know, you can just, you got to put the ball in the right spots.

And I just, I love that place. It's like kind of, I get nostalgic out there. So it's, so to your point, it was $66 with a resident card. Yeah. And it's $110 if you live in the Bay Area. Yeah, a big walk. And then $175 for it's not a big push card course. Yeah.

The mom is like rolling deep up there. Yeah. Yeah, it was a gorgeous walk. I was comfortable. I was prepared to not like just based on having seen it on TV and the three letters in front of it too. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's like, you know,

it just seemed like a much a long car for us and Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's like, you know, it just seemed like a bunch of long par fours and relatively, I was blown away. I loved it. I thought the greens were absolutely outstanding. Like just some of the most interesting contours and smoothest greens we played on the trip. The 16th hole was a standout for me, like a short par four. We played with Patrick Boyd, former GM of Sweetens,

the GM of Meredith of Sweetens' Co. It's like one of his best friends, John Norris, who was fantastic. And then there was also, there's the police, the shooting range across the lake, which I know Randy was, he felt right at home, he's a big concealed carry guy. Yeah, exactly.

You guys have fun projecting on here. All your things on me. I think it's a good example too of like Parkland course, put like with awesome trees, which makes a huge difference. For sure. The corridors are wide. The trees are far set back from the,

like the fairways, there's plenty of rough between, you know, so you're playing amongst the trees, but they're not getting in your way. If you're behind one, you deserve to be behind it. That's exactly it. And that can so much more interesting. And you can still hit recovery shots, because they're very tall trees,

and so you don't have a lot of scruff near the base of them. There's not a ton of them, they're just really, really big and wide. Yeah, and they're like, there's a lose on gorgeous. Yeah. The prettiest trees in the South of the Yeah, and they're like, there's a loser. Gorgeous. Yeah. The prettiest, the reason that's the thing.

It's so cool. Yeah. I was gonna say, our round, I felt like, was quintessential San Francisco, a little cool, cloudy. You have the trees. It's a huge tower, bucking its head. Yeah, you got water nearby. You can see the old club across the lake.

So there's a lot of public golf. I think San Francisco is the best public golf town across the lake. So there's a lot of public golf. I think San Francisco is the best public golf town in the country for, you know, that's probably a different topic, but you know, there's Presidio, there's Golden Gate, there's some stuff north of Bridge and South, but like Harding kind of wraps all that into one. I think if you're gonna play golf in San Francisco,

whether it's private or public, you have to play Harding Park. And it, yeah, it just feels when you get there, it feels like the crown jewel muni, or something, you know? And I know it's a TPC and it's got all this infrastructure behind it, but it really doesn't feel that way. And it's right. And it's right better than any course we play it.

Yeah, and it just, it's well kept. It's one of those places, like you said, they can ratchet up the conditions if they wanna make it harder. Otherwise, it's really hard to lose a golf ball. You might be in a bad spot, you might be behind one of those trees. If you hit it off the planet, but you're gonna find it, you're always in play, pace of play is moving. I mean, it's just, it was like, yeah, it's the perfect kind of city course. It's a course that we don't really have. I mean,

we have Jacksonville Beach, you know, not that I'm saying, Jackson's beaches on the level of hearting park, but You know, we don't have like kind of a crown jewel There's we don't have enough of those crown jewel munis around the country I thought it was just such a cool cool vibe great reflection of the city Yeah, we showed up we showed up in the whole grounds career This was like what a small thing to notice but like the whole entire grounds crew all meets together for coffee every morning I thought that was so cool. It was awesome. That's what I was going to say is literally just seeing the words TBC in front of a course doesn't, doesn't make me think like a soulful place, like a place with history and culture to it.

And that is what I really hope that comes away from that episode is going to be, you know, it helped the people we play with and the interviews we got. But I walked away feeling like I played something, a place that was important to a lot of people. Yeah, that's really. And I thought, I expected it to be, it is a factory. A lot of people come through that, but it's a lot of local people that play it. And I just walked away thinking like that place is so totally

different than the image I had in my head, which is kind of the point of us going and playing these places to begin with is learning that and hopefully kind of getting that message out there. If it's a factory, it's a factory that's producing essential like life saving implement. Yeah, it's like, it's like Call of Head breakpads. Yeah, it felt like going to Call of Head breakpads.

Yeah, it's a fact, it's like, it's getting people exposed to the best elements of golf. Yeah, without it out, no. I love hearing more about, I've always wanted to learn more about the San Francisco city championship It's a big deal Which has been it's like the oldest oldest city championship in the world that are in the country I think and So many millions of stories of I love just like the local legends that are famous in San Francisco and nowhere else

I think those kinds of stories are so cool. It's cool to go. I mean, sorry. I think you nailed it like it's It's really cool to go to a place that you can tell that everybody's super proud of. Right. And that's how Jack's Beach is starting to feel, and that's why I think it's so cool about having that in our city here, and that's what I, you know, hopefully, again, I kind of bring this full circle. I think the model is there, and taking the key elements from these places, gosh, it seems like if you were going to build a new course now, it seems like there's plenty of good templates for what is successful. So hopefully people take the right examples. To that point, having people care and be proud of the right things too, it's not like,

we got a new cart path project going on. Check out the new cart. Do you like that hole? Just see how hard it was. Do you see the sweet seats we got in the cart? Or like the thounds that got put in on 16 years? I would say, reluctantly, we omitted this. Oh, yeah, that's right. From Ohio Valley, but we did have the shark experience. Oh, in the car, I was riding pretty hard.

Which we really wanted to hate. I wanted to. About four holes in it, we're like 80s. But I also think that it was actually. What's a brand orgy? It's like all the biggest telecom. And it's like every big conglomerate you can think of like wrapped into a cart. And then it's like, you can watch Sunday ticket. And it's like, I don't think I'm like,

football, wow. Like the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the Brock, who's your driving. Like, that's not really what I'm looking for, but the music was good. Music was good. So that was it. I mean, that was that was the way the oh club that's a recourse with from a vista and view standpoint We didn't really get the You know the sunset or really a heavy like Carl Buck in his head all the fog kind of in between It was kind of gray, but I mean, I think you're up about 100 feet

on these bluffs, a lookin' over ocean beach. That was another example. It was rough. It was rough, and like the preserve abandoned. Yeah, for sure. That was another example of, man, they used this land for golf, like that's sweet. Yeah.

Well, not only golf, but like, I don't know. Like for their parts, real cars, yeah. It's like that, man. So you guys, the lake horse is like, I mean, that's what you guys show the world forces. I guess that's what I showed the world. Pulled the wall or the eyes of the Coastal Commission, where I guess they parked cars there for the US Open.

And they converted into a parking lot. They're like, well, we've already converted into a parking lot. We might as well go off course. What do you guys think? Mm-hmm. So yeah, that was it. That was Tour of Saw season three. anything else of note from your guys. So Neil and Randy drove the RV all the way back to LA

while the rest of the boys headed back home. Well, the weather got worse. That's possible. It got, oh my god. We went to Pacific, I was staying in the RV park and like the wind was like howling off the coast and like shaking the RV. And Randy got food poisoning. He didn't even get to go to the cool taco like shaking the RV. And Randy got food poisoning.

He didn't even get to go to the Cool Taco Bell in Pacifica. No, we did get to go to a USF Don's game. We did. We went to see the Don's play. Shout out to Kyle Smith, former Columbia basketball coach. We sat behind the bench. Randy was smitten with his coach and he's telling he's getting after the refs.

But Randy was, or the coach was. But Randy, we were sitting right by the bench because the homie Brian Barber set up some tickets because he was basically Kyle Smith's like boy guard at Columbia. It took him a little while. But they were down 10 and they were like, I was going to say it took him a little while to figure out how to guard the picking run action. Once they get on the wagon and they want to, you know, a good see.

USF is I think top 30 in the country. They're getting better every year than the WCC. Kyle Smith, formerly of St. Mary's, had coach at Columbia, almost turned the program around. Now it's a smoldering heap of dog poo since he's left, which it says a lot about how good he is. But I think USF's going to start bucking its head and the NCAA tournament the next few years

Bill Russell going there. Yeah, so it did Kate was it Casey Jones The guy for the great from the Grateful Dead song No, no build cart right it maybe there's a point guard that played with yeah, maybe Casey Jones Yeah, they won national championships back in the 50s. Yeah So anyway, we had a great time National Chamois chips back in the fifties. Yeah So anyway, we had a great time Yeah, so we went we did that we went got foot massage We have to have a shot on a happy garden. We did our laundry in pacifica some guy was like some homeless guy was on the couch and Laundry mat laundry mat was quite an experience pacifica our way back from the film massage

We saw him getting like a rest it or something. Yeah, it was great Well, he would know what bothered us when we were filming That that that Dean Jane Salin I actually flew out The day early. Yeah earlier which was I was kind of thrilled about because the RV was like a palace when you guys left What did you guys think of the five people in the RV? Oh well? It was manageable for unforeseen circumstances. It became a bit of it snug of its snug Yeah, yeah, also like I think the RVs meant to be parked somewhere for extended period of time. Yeah, you know I meant to change that to

Moving and grooving yeah, and you know, that's gonna make it a little tougher to how is that? Lin how is the truck stop in Salinas? Well, I was gonna say that was probably the highlight of the return trip. So it turns out Pilot truck stops will let RV sleep there, but there's kind of a rivalry between truckers. You went to a pilot? Yeah, because they're like, they like, you stay for free. Well, so it was one of those nights, when you, there was only option.

Which you alluded to earlier, where I was like, I don't know, we'll figure something out. Yeah, like, we just waited till now. So then you can't really book an RV spot because they closed the bookings. So then we're like well we're just trying to park on the street. Well it turns out Monterey has some serious city ordinances against

recreational vehicles. Um which you know is bullshit. Uh so we end up driving. We're like well we gotta get south and we're gonna take one on one anyway let's just go to Salinas. There's a truck stop there. When we go in I asked the manager on the hey we shout out to John Steinbeck. Yeah, so exactly. So we went east to Eden and we, I asked the guy, we parked our V here, so he asked pretty full of night, but give me your name, license plate, make it a vehicle, and your cell phone number, and just basically, in case anything happened to us. And we like parked it right out front, but there were definitely some, there were, there were a couple of sleeper creepers.

right out front, but there were definitely some sleeper creepers. They were creepers right out. That was like Rainy and Wendy. Randy thought, Randy was kind of like, I was getting French right. Yeah. I had the power position above the cab though, so I would have been able to spider monkey something. You were like something to see.

You took the high position. You know, two guys who basically purport to represent the folks or you know We didn't have an option that was supporting Jimmy Haslam and there wasn't another J.E. stop for us. I gotta say you know spending a night at a pilot truck stop if that's not If that's not amongst the people Understanding the American dream. I don't know what is man But apparently if we had like parked the RV in a truck like what's made for the 18 wheelers like apparently it's like you it's a reason to go

Absolutely back down. Yeah, like they'll fight you like get out of here. They don't really like the RV crowd So anyway, so then we went back to So park and then we went to the terminal. Yeah, we went to oh yeah, we stopped in a river a river which was delightful It was awesome. You guys play or just watch just watch that day. Yeah Something somebody that they yelled Igarito. Yeah, man. It was really cool to see That that kind of support from yeah crowd. That's awesome. That was awesome. Did you guys send any autographs out there? We actually someone asked us a pin flag I felt so bad, I was like...

No, I swear to God in the club house after the round. We were like, we're huge fans and we were like, we'll... Sick. Yeah, and they were like, they were a lovely couple. Like a pinflag amongst other PJs. No, players signatures are just as sensitive. And they went, they played golf at Oval. Were they messing with you guys? Yeah maybe they're messing with you maybe well

I saw my name and she's like what what's your name we return the RV and the rest was history we hit the LZ have you ever been as happy and I'll pose this to the group getting home and showering and be sleeping in your own bed. I wasn't right for like a week. Yeah, my back was Significantly messed up which is a long time. I think it's important to know like this this trip was really fun to do I think I called it the best trip that I never want to do again I'm I'm on the other side of that argument. I don't do it again, but I would just do it with less of us I love the RV. Yeah, I love the way that we did the trip. I just wouldn't, because in the sacrifice for the content,

we had to move and group pre-quit. Or one of us gets a class C license, and we really get a bigger rig. I would recommend, I don't know. I think budget wise and all that stuff, I think like an RV golf trip is something I've always been serious about. It's very doable

Yeah, I think especially cross, you know like Randy I know you spend a lot of time up there and stuff but like northern Michigan would be awesome Maybe a little less driving than what we had but yeah bouncing around the Midwest I think it could be an awesome awesome Pacific Northwest would be cool even Florida Florida like during the winter. I think it'd be really cool I'm sad. It was 70, it would be totally different. For sure. Well, in some place, you can park it for like five days.

Because you would have wanted to be, we would have been outside more of the RV hanging out. Now it was cold, so we're kind of all trying to get cozy. It's tough in California too, because you can't live. The fire is too much. So that kind of hurt the vibe a little bit at night. Yeah, but shout out to all the people we saw along the way, all the people who came up and said hello,

and showed us their towels or head covers or t-shirts or whatever, and let us part the RV and their lot. Which reminds me, the shop is stocked, store, not knowing up, not the shop. Might be by the time this gets posted. Might be cleaned out again. It's true, we never know. We're about to take the top of that defense in there.

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