No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 223: US Open Recap

Episode Date: June 17, 2019

Gary Woodland has won the 2019 U.S. Open. We discuss him flashing his stones with his 3-wood on the 14th hole, Koepka's incredible run, Pebble Beach, the setup by the USGA, Rory, Spieth, Fox, and everything else from US Open weekend.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Lang Up podcast Gary Woodland, aka Fake Brooks Keppka is the 2019 US Open Champion. He wins with a score of 1300 par.

Brooks Keppka runner up at 10 under par. What's first? What do you guys think? I thought it was phenomenal. I thought the golf course was great. I thought the competition was great. Brooks Capica runner up at 10 under par. What's first? What do you guys think? I thought it was phenomenal. I thought the golf course was great. I thought the competition was great. Woodland was exceedingly well-deserved champion. I thought it was a home run this week.

We will go to Randy now for a counterpoint. It was a totally great regular tour event. That's what it felt like. Favorite AT&T Pebble Beach pro-wet ball. It felt like the Wells Fargo moved west. Yeah. Let's start. Let's what I call it. Like, favorite AT&T Pebble Beach pro-wetball. And it's like the Wells Fargo moved west. Yeah. Let's start. Let's go right into that then.

Let's do that. What would you have rather seen them do with Pebble Beach? The issue is there's probably not a whole lot they could have done, which we can get into. I don't, you know, maybe we need to talk about Pebble Beach perhaps becoming obsolete as a championship venue. Woo! Yo, sucker.

You're gonna love the 2021 Oven Championship at St. Andrews. Right. That'll take a listen, too, but continue. Apparently, sources were saying they dumped a lot of water on it early in the week. So I guess that's one place I would start. They maybe should not have done that, especially with the forecast, the Marine layer all week.

Do you care to name your sources? Is this Peter Kessler's guy that he was saying was watching from his backyard through his blinds? Well, that was more of a corroborating. Oh, I see. I would. I would, this is not the grad. But the other...

Toronto is my back. Shackleford, Chimnuck, they were all saying it was heavily watered early in the week. Yeah, and then Kessler came in. And then Kessler came in and the guy living off the ninth hole for the last 25 years. So I'm dumb, but ton of water on it. Slowest putt I think. Slowest putty he's seen in the last 25.

No, no, stupid. We all know Randy. He doesn't like superintendents. Yes. That's true. He's got his qualms. That's not true. I was just sticking out for the supers when Gary was chipping on 17. You guys were like, oh, this is sick

This is sick. I'm like think about the supers You know what you why else really hated this week. They showed so many dogs on the beach. That's true He could be barely watch. I know that's another scuzzy thing you guys try to pin on me I'm just not comfortable with dogs There's a difference between not being comfortable with them and not liking them. You kind of think they don't like you. Yeah, I think they say my nervousness. Exactly.

They're like babies. But no, baby's not liking you either? No, no, babies are good. I'm great with babies, but I'm not good with dogs, but babies can send you nervous holding them. So my enjoyment of the open, I was thinking about it. There's an inverse relationship. Like the happier the playing pros are with the course the

unhappier I am and I thought you know this this week almost to a man I thought everybody loved the setup so great you know everybody happy to be here at Pebble Beach it's like Kumbaya yeah and it's like yeah I'm not in I'm I'm really not here for that that's not how I like my US Open to into that, you mean for this one week a year as a fan? As a total, yeah, as a total fan, that's all I am. You just want to be entertained by it. One week a year. It's almost like we got a little of that at Beth Page,

quite honestly. Yeah. And so I guess that's a little bit of a, what was more fun, Beth Page? So, overlining. Beth Page, your pebble. Well, the thing was, I mean, Beth Page, those couple days was a little bit more fun,

but it's the whole brand. I mean, that's part of the issue. Like the USG A needs to decide what, like, what are they trying to do? What, because they build their brand on like protecting par and tough, right? Like hitting drivers, finding fairways. And then I'm watching like guys are hitting,

you know, Woodland hit a 190 yard shot out of the rough today and is holding the green. Well, the fact that you know, Woodland hit a 190 yard shot out of the rough today and is holding the green. Well, the fact that you didn't have to hit driver in the last four or five holes of the US open is a little bit. Maybe what, one driver on the back nine today, two drivers coming in. So, the indictment, not to stick up for the USGA. The indictment of the USGA that I'll listen to is what you're on to, and that, I mean, because of what they've done on this end of the spectrum with the technology and ignoring it for so long, setting up this championship for what you want and what a

lot of people want out of this, I'm not singling you out, is almost impossible. And we saw that on back-to-back days last year with Jenna Cock of like too far on Saturday which I think you would have said was, heck, and then Sunday softening it too much. Like finding that line is such an impossible. Well, let me push back though, because as a fan again, like again, I don't have to play in the tournament, right? That's part of the beauty of like,

I'm just watching on TV. Last year at Shinnecock on Saturday was awesome. Like I can't find any fault in that. Like we're pros and happy, yeah, of course they were. That doesn't bother me. You know? Where I've net out a little bit is, I feel like they were in a really good spot

heading into the weekend this time. I still feel like they ran a good tournament. It was all good. But I think your complaints, Randy, are more about the golf course itself than the setup. Yeah. Where there's not gonna be a whole lot of train wrecks out there. There's only so much they can do with small greens about the golf course itself than the setup. Where there's not gonna be a whole lot of train wrecks out there. There's only so much they can do with small greens in Poana

and with the Marine layer. It is what it is. Drank for sure. And I agree. And it's all I agree with you too. The elephant in the room is for sure the USDA in action on the technology and the distance, like that probably underlies everything.

So I completely agree with both of those points. And then I think going back on your point about the USGA and what they want to be, I think they're getting back, I think they're gonna get back to that, but it's gonna take a couple of years and they need this free established credibility and they can't have Bowdenheimer or whatever's name is, just nuke everybody, his first year out there and then they get to wing foot next year and

people already want to head on a platter. Well, so I kind of, on some level, I vehemently disagree with you, Randy. On another level, I totally agree with you and Tron, I'm on the same spectrum with you, but let's start with, like, they couldn't just come in and nuke this week because, like, why not? Well, like, do we legitimately think like players are gonna boycott it? Yeah, yeah, no, I think that was the run-up,

like, Rory and Phil, like, the golf dodges article. If they would have done it, like, if they wanted to do it, they would have done it. But at some point, it becomes such a distraction and such a, such an onerous thing for the USGA to deal with from PR perspective and all that to where all right cool, like it kind of defeats the purpose of a lot of the other stuff

that they're trying to do too. It's definitely, I don't really know what else they're trying to do by the way. Well that's another discussion. There's not much left to wrap through. So many good nebulous commercials about like, you know, in addition to this great championship,

this allows us to do all the other things we're doing to, you know, connect people to the game. I was like, what the fuck does that mean? I'm never seen anything from the USGA. I don't know what that means. I saw they took the anchored putter out of Radys. Hey, that's about the only other, the only impact they've had of my life.

So you're in some other topic. With golf, with golf, governing bodies, I think it's very similar to politics, right? Yeah. Politics is local. You know, so get it's very similar to politics, right? Yeah. Politics is local. Exactly. You know, so get involved with your local, muni, get involved with your local course, get involved with your state golf association.

For me, I don't think I've ever had other than planning a few qualifiers here. I've never had any interface with T-SGA. Yeah. I might need to write our U.S.A. congressman, see what they're really doing. So, at one point, you make their idea. I think, you know, about protecting par, which I feel like I hear this so much year in, year out. And I know we won't get a USGA person to put that on the record, but I get the feeling that that is a era of the past.

I don't know what when that stopped, but going to Aaron Hills, and I know it's supposed to play harder than it was, but going to like a par 72 golf course I don't think that at any point they thought this is gonna be around an even par winning score And I think they've done a good job in that regard of saying I don't actually we're not gonna actually care what the final score is Conditions dictate the scoring like pebble beach that little clip they showed of Tom Kite in 1992 hitting six iron on the seventh hole into that win was like, that's what could happen when you go to Pebble Beach and you can't, you have to set up a bumper in your set up in some way. They got as benign of conditions

as they probably could have realistically got. And that's what we saw at 13 Under Wind and they let the conditions dictate that. And I thought that was a good way to run a term. I know what you mean as a fan, you wanna see people whine and bitch. Randy's a big sandy Tatum guy. I love sandy Tatum. Sandy Tatum was a lot of Sandy Tatum. Listen, we're gonna he was an other day. We're gonna kick these guys in the nuts for a week every year. And there's

nothing they can do about it. Which I think to to the players defense in this as well. And I'm kind of an advocate for both sides in this. But I don't think the players mind it being hard. Like I don't think they mined difficult golf course. The best players definitely don't mind it being hard. And the one thing, I mean, the leader scores were really low, but there were not a ton of really deep scores. There was not huge bunching and huge batches of birdies from guys that were able like maintain it

all the way through. Like everyone that made a run also gave a shitload of shots back because there was just stretches of the golf course that you could take advantage of, you could make birdies, and I found that way more exciting than Beth Page because I felt like Beth Page didn't have those stretches of like, all right, here we go, he's turning onto this part and he's got this opportunity. If he executes that shot, he's going to make birdie and like, even some of the holes on the front nine this time around, or on Sunday, Keppka missed an easy opportunity for birdie on six, an easy one again on seven.

He kind of let some of those get away, and it looks like a par on the car, but it's really like a half shot lost. So I don't know. I thought that made for an interesting competition. I think when he looks back, he'll look at those two holes as really the par fives in general to the ones. But six and seven today, I think we're, yeah. What hill lament the most? Yeah, so I guess Randy, and this is not, you know, you're not being deposed here or anything.

I'm just, I'm trying to voice it. Well, it's much more interesting than all of us just saying, like, yeah, I agree. Let's, you know, let's all say the same stuff. But I guess where I'm at is, do you think that there's something different they should have done or do you feel cheated because we didn't get good enough conditions and or were maybe at the wrong golf course for what you like? It's a good question. I'm probably not smart enough in a course set up manner to really answer the first question. So I guess the easy answer is I don't know what was at their disposal to do necessarily. So that's part

of my ignorance. Isn't that convenient? Whoa. I mean, I don't know. And then, sorry, what was the second? We'll just repeat the question, too. Just if it's not that, then it's basically feeling like, you know, yeah, maybe there was nothing you could have done, but I feel cheated because either the ball goes too far or this wasn't the right golf course

or we didn't get the right wind or whatever. Yeah, and I don't know if cheetahs are right word. I just think it's just, like, and maybe it's just nostalgic or whatever, but when I think of the US Open, I think, like I don't think it guys necessarily going on runs. I think it's almost like a war of attrition. Like if I can make 18 pars today,

it's gonna be a hell of a round. And it's almost like the ultimate tournament where you're not really scoreboard watching because it's like, dude, I just gotta take care of my shit. And I gotta just make par. And if I make 18 of them, it's gonna be a hell of a result. When Danny Willett and Marcus Kinhole got in, she'd 67s on Sunday, it's sheepens

that a little bit. I guess. And again, that's for sure just like my preference. That's what I want to make clear. And I think we've just, you know, like you said, it's all like, maybe that's just not possible anymore with the US Open. But I think you're on at something with it being a beef with pebble beach because with the amount of wedges, these guys are going to hit into greens here. If they thought for one second they were going to get scores around even

part, what they would have had done to that golf course to manipulate it that much. I mean, Marion was an abitative disaster on that part. I mean, it was just like balls with wedges, hidden greens and rollin' off and three over par one. That's right. When I picture Marion, like all I picture is Justin Rose hitting a literally perfect golf shot into 18 and it like one hopping over the green. We got all right, sick. Like chip in, chip, like what I don't want to say, I know you're smiling and nodding like

the body of that clown golf. But what I don't like to see is like a chipping contest. And that was my point, like regarding Pebble Beach is a lot of people kind of nebulously saying like, oh, they should have gone harder They should have done this. They should have done this. I'm like, okay, let's break like let's get into that What should they have done juice the rough like the rough was chip out in some spots? It was thick with three Okay, they should have made the greens firm the greens were mega firm You could hear like what the first hop sounds like which is sounds like a major championship

Which was awesome and then if they go even firmer than that, like, the greens are so small, a, there's not really any, like, there's not very many pin locations on any of those greens. And b, if, if you make them even firmer, like, yeah, we're just going to be seeing a chipping contest. And then saw that I think we mentioned this in the, in the preview pod. But what ends up happening there is like, okay, me, DJ, shitty golfer is coming into, you know, number two with a three wood. I paid my $700 for that. Well, it's okay, me and Gary Woodland are both playing,

you know, I wouldn't be able to get to number two, so we'll pay, number nine. I'm coming in with a three wood, and I hit it around the green, and it comes in hot and it eight hops over the green into the back rough. He's coming in with a eight iron and it's the same thing when the greens get that firm

because the greens are so small. And so it's like me and Gary Willan should not be in the same spot in that instance. Like a good shot and a very, very average shot should not end up in the same spot. And that's what would have happened, I think, if they would have pulled all those levers and really tried to like, which I don't,

so I completely, completely agree with you on Shinnecock was phenomenal because the pin locations were brutal and like I think that was the difficult part was the pin locations, right? And like, if you played, if you played, Randy, if you had played Shinacok, you would know that the greens there are massive

and they're so crazy undulated. And so they can find pin locations like that. We didn't see anything close to that this week because they're not really out there. The slopes of Pebble, you saw maybe on 14, they could have had something crazy, borderline unfair, which I would have agreed with you there, that would have been sick.

But outside of that, it's just really hard to find those pin locations, because the greens just aren't like that. Two things, one, I, but real quick, sorry. Maybe they should, maybe that's an answer. Maybe you go blow up all the greens and you make them, if you're gonna have a 7,000 year golf course for a major,

then maybe the greens and you make them, you know, if you're gonna have a 7,000 year golf course for a major, then maybe the greens. Maybe the greens should be absolutely bananas, which is, I think, we're all, we're eight thumbs up on that one looking around the table. Which I think to that exact point, and we talked some in the preview part about what we think of Pebble and what not, and I think as a test of major championship golf,

I think it's phenomenal. And there's a lot of things that I think for like a playability for everyday players that they should do. A lot of reasons why they shouldn't do it also, which is they print tens of thousands of dollars every hour in tea times. And they're not going to shut the course down. Late stage capitalism is not going to be the way to win Randy over here. What they've already started doing is expanding some of these greens. And I think that is the one thing they can continue to do to make this even better test for major championship golf,

to give you opportunities to bring the pins even closer to those bunkers, get rid of some of that rough that is in between the bunkers and the green as it stands, and have even crazier slopes and crazier pin positions and make the playing of angles, even that much more important. And Rory talked about how important angles was. I think this was like the best blend

that I've seen in recent memory of like tight fairways, but on every T-box I'm standing there being like, okay, he needs to be on the left side here, or he needs to be on the right side. You really had to decide on a line when you're standing there. Exactly. It was not just like, it wasn't just hit it down the middle of the fairway, on 11. It was like, do you want a pound driver all the way up the left, or like, do I want to, you know, fade towards the center, I get a better angle down the left, but I'm risking going the left rough.

And I think as much as we love with an angle, it's not the best at tournament golf because of how far the ball goes. Oh, this was a great combination of like an angle still matter, but we're also not gonna let you just mash it out of the rough. It's gonna pay a price. That didn't really get enough play, probably on the telecast,

is like they have been slowly making those changes to Pebble Beach, like 13, 13, they added pin positions this year, I think 13 and 14, they both added like a back right pin position that wasn't there in 2000. 17 has got expanded. Yeah, exactly, 17, they read, God, that green is like, so I was out there for a couple days this week and that was 17 minutes and he finally went to this.

Oh, God, There he is. But seeing 17 green is the highlight, I think, just seeing like the left, how different, you know, everybody can see like the 2D shape of the green that it's that hourglass green and whatever. But seeing how much of like a punch bowl the left hand side is and how thinking about, you know, Gary Willen, I think hit for him, he wasn't close to going at the pin, but Gary hit for him, I think, into 17. And seeing what a downslope there is right over that bunker, and how fucked you can get if you hit, like if you land that ball in the wrong spot, it is so much more subtle than it looks on TV.

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Visit OdysseyGolf.com or head to your nearest retailer to experience Stroke Lab for yourself and start making more puts today I've seen so many stroke lab putters. I was looking at Woodlands driver and it was like two-tone I was like oh cool. He's got like that that that stroke lab shaft and I was like oh no man. That's a driver That's right. I don't think the double flex would would quite work as well for a driver All right, let's get back to the show. Okay You guys have brought up a lot of good points.

And I agree with him. No, no, I'm not gonna, I'm really not gonna rebut. I have a question for the group. There's one lever that the USGA could pull that maybe placates everybody. Oh yeah, I know what it's gonna be. Why don't they make number six apart for, and number seven apart to make it like a part 69? And then it's the same conditions and 18 should be a part four

and 18 could be a part four make it a part 68 and then What did that change about the championship though? Well, that's what I'm saying but the perception like make part for the course like like factor in the technology in the distance and the you know like like like Make it an actual par 68 then. But I think you're actually, like, you're talking about, all right, so you're talking about changing the perception, but yeah, earlier we were talking about just the actual viewing experience and what you wanna see out of it.

That's not gonna materially change anything. I do think it would. So, well, it would change some strategy of the way that guys went about stuff, but I don't think it's gonna change the way that the tournament played. Maybe, it'd be a fascinating experiment. I wonder if it would.

If 18 was playing as a quote unquote par four, I wonder if you would see different clubs that people would hit off the tee. I don't generally would. Yeah, I'm rolling my eyes at it because of it. No, I know, we all are on the same page. The dumbest thing in the world, you'd be like, oh, there's this number

on the scorecard next to it, says it should be a four, so I'm gonna play it differently. You're playing against everybody else playing that hole. It doesn't matter. It could be a part eight, and the strategy should be the exact same. Literally, if somebody told me like, hey, I know this used to be a part five,

but now it's a part four, I'm gonna fall. I gotta get there too. Oh no. Okay, I better sack up here. But this is relevant because this is how pros think. I'm telling you, for sure. Yeah, so before we get too far into this, Andy Johnson wrote a piece like

word for word on this exact topic. Uh, I don't know if that's where you've got it from or not, but that's where like that was his argument is just dude you A. That kind of illustrates like yeah, fuck maybe we we might have messed up on the technology stuff like these These par-fives are not part-fives. There's nothing we can do anymore. Like think about lengthening Part five's are not part five's. There's nothing we can do anymore. Like think about lengthening 18. Like you literally can't. Like the T-box is on a rocky like outcropping.

And the green is on a rocky outcropping. Like you can't move either. See it's shut up to the fuzz because some of those rock outcropping have been working out and out there. It looked very fuzzy. What do you do? You're gonna have to tee off from a drone

to add length to this part. Well, yeah. And I know people through the part is irrelevant back at me and I'm like, okay, cool. Then if it's irrelevant, then let's make a succeed. Yeah, like everybody should be on board with that.

And then maybe it will like fans like me and Joe fan who tunes in thing and oh, you as open and supposed to be really difficult. I want to see these pros make some bogies. You know, maybe it's best for everybody. And that was that was Andy's point is A, you get that kind of peace of mind. B, and this is where it gets really laughable. If you think about them going to, I'm trying to think what's coming up.

Let's just say, so Wingfoot didn't, I think Gil Hans did a whole renovation at Wingfoot, right? A lot of that was probably, you know, in anticipation of this US Open, it's like, okay, we can go like continually spend millions and millions of dollars at these future host sites by lengthening teas and lengthening holes and moving greens and doing this stuff or we can just like change the scorecard. Print new scorecards. Yeah, well, exactly.

Like, I don't know, what do you think would be like a better use of the resources of the USG who's, quote, connecting players to the game. And so it's just, when you think about like that, it's like, whoa, that's pretty interesting. I think going back, it's such a different lens that we look at the US open through, where, remember last year at Carnegie State, it was just like, this is what Nature gave us,

so we're just gonna accept it. Well, this is what Nature gave us this week, but nobody seems to want to accept it, right? What was funny, I saw another tweet too, that was, I forget who posted it, but why were we all okay with 13 under winning at Pebble Beach because the wind didn't blow? And everyone's like, oh, hey, that's the way it goes.

There was no wind, but at Aaron Hill's everyone, this is a fucking disgrace. I can't believe the scores are this low. It's like, it's the same issue. I don't know why people are upset about this. Yeah. I would, you know. Or we start Truman showing.

If you're getting $93 million a year from Fox, maybe bring out some, put a domo in it and control, you know, start Christoffing with elements. You just read enough and like, you know, psychology, behavioral, finance, like, it would have an effect, either on players and or on spectators, that would be fascinating to see.

Totally. And they've already changed the par. Like it plays as a par 72. Am I right in that other one? Yeah, no, two plays as a par five for the resort. Yeah, so they're already changing it. Like, shit, just make it a six. Make it a six.

Yeah, you can't make a par below 70. That's a rule. Right 70, that's a rule. Right, somewhere that's a rule. Well, so Andy's last point that he kind of made in this article was, if you extrapolated that out to every event, and so I think the example he used was Trinity Forest. So there's two or I think three, two or three par-fives

that should play as par-fors. There's, I think in his article, he said there's two par-fives that should play as par-f. There's, you know, I think in his article, he said there's two part fours, two part fives that should play as part fours, and there's one like 300 yard part four that he said should play as part three. If you did that, like everybody's like, oh my god, this is stupid, 28 unders winning or whatever, and you did that like all of a sudden 12 under wins

or something and everyone's like, wow, what, you know, that's a pretty good test. Pretty good to Aaron Wise, He played really well this week. And so what you'd have then, like if you did that every week is to his point, like you'd have so much of a better barometer event to event, is like he was saying like, okay, 1300th US Open, like what does that mean?

In comparison to like how well did Gary Wooden play? In comparison to like 12 under at so and so event or 20 under at another event. Then like when someone shoots 20 under, then all of a sudden you're like whoa, like 20 under like adjusted par, man, that guy must have like really golfed his ball. And it's just, I don't know,

it's a really interesting way to think about it. Yeah, and so I get the par as a relevant and it's like the theory is there and I get it, but if we're not going to take the action then, like, then what do we talk about? It must be somewhat relevant, or else, make it a damn par 68. What was the other lever that you thought you was going to pull? Yeah, where did you think I was going? Did everybody had to play the same golf ball?

Yeah. Oh, well that's a limited, like, for sure. Yeah, that's a no brain. The more I thought about that, it's like, I can't believe there's not a uniform golf ball. It's at the professional level. And it makes absolutely, I mean, it would address, it would be stuck for like 20 minutes already on, it would be like, take like almost all of that away.

Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, I know it's like changing the score, we can show up at Pebble and Play it. It's like, yeah, it's like changing the score card. It's basically what it'd be like. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's like apples and oranges, but like imagine tennis players like rolling in with their own tennis balls, like on their serve.

Right. You don't want to play with mine. You know, you play with your specially designed ones. It's like, it's an ass of mine. Back to the actual golf tournament in the winner of it. I know we talked to Gary Woodland. I mean, I don't know really exactly what to do with it. We weren't expecting him to win, but it's not a totally out of left field.

It's not a Ben Curtis, Todd Hamilton winner. Woodland was on a certain career trajectory and he kind of stopped rising. He kind of just leveled out to what I thought was this level of door player. And I was not expecting him to step up and win a major championship, but man, he was unfasible. The shot that he hit in the 14, 265 straight up a hill on seaside. Like one thing it was really refreshing to see guys, actually like have to hit normal shot, normal yardages because the ball does not fly out there.

That shot he hit on 14, one on the tournament. Like when he was standing over that, I thought back to Michelson's quote that he told bones when he's in the pine straw on 13 at Augusta. And Phil's quote was like, at some point I'm gonna have to hit a shot under a lot of pressure to win this tournament. I'm gonna do it right now.

And he stepped up and did it and got up and down and then made birdie and won the golf tournament. That drive too, I mean, I know a lot of, you know, what we had kind of said was, is it good that he, you know, he didn't have to hit very many drivers coming in? And I guess it's probably 14 and I'm trying to think where else He would have even hit driver on the back nine. I mean maybe that was in

But even that drive on 14 I mean he would like hugged the corner perfectly gave him a chance to get there into and then so that's ranting You know, and we're kind of past the you know watching guys get ejected conversation, but I thought what was really cool was like actually seeing guys showcase really great shots because again, I don't want to keep prefacing sentences with like I was out there this week, but being out there like you would ... trust me, I saw a lot of guys get eviscerated this week, shout out to a couple of our friends of the program. But like it was not as easy as it looks

watching the guys who are literally playing the best of the 156 players. And seeing the shots, like what Woodland hit, like the shots that kept get hit on the front nine, like that's what, maybe there was just like lack of context. You know what this just came to me, maybe they need to stop showing as much of the winners and just show a lot of guys who were playing shitty

Listen, it was that one tweet that was like Certainly watch Justin Rose enough. It's really head on FS2 and that's what I The tweet that was like for all Olympic races. They should have an average man Yes, totally. Yeah, so you see what it looks like so I don't you know I don't want to air him out too much and maybe this is a weird segue from Congratulations to Gary Willand for winning. But followed Zach Blair a lot on. You could say it might have been ZB the guy on Thursday. But he shot 83.

Zach is among the best players in the world. When you comparatively look at how many people play golf. 0.001%. Yeah. And he said that he tweeted this too but like he missed eight greens with chip shots. Like that, it was not easy. Exactly.

Like we played with him in Greenville and literally like we had breakfast with, like I had breakfast with him that morning. And we're just kind of talking about the course and talking about his game, whatever I was like, man in Greenville, like you chipped your balls off. Like it was crazy to see like how good of a chip or you are. And he went out and over the next two days, he missed eight greens with chip shots. And it's like, dude, I promise it was not playing easy.

It was playing really easy for Gary Woodland and Brooks Capka, because they were hitting a lot of fucking good golf shots. Oh, they got a lot of downcock. And they got a list of them, of course. One of the best, a lot of downcock. Yeah, so that's actually, you know what? I just thought of that now.

That might be the way to save the US Open, is play like, just show more shitty golfers Show more like guys who are really struggling. Yeah, I'm I might be how you get your Joe attention for sure Yeah, I think going back to woodland Thank you. Sorry. That was a segue. I'm a I'm a steers back normally on the one Go back to woodland when he was in the web.com Honestly, I don't I don't I remember with on the web.com. That was kind of, kind of, me my point. He's, can we, I just, because I don't think we're going to get back to it.

Can we get, there's one block I want to get on. And I, so, I don't know if they're making the announcement today or when, but apparently web.com is out as a title sponsor of the web.com tour. And it's going to now be the Cornfairy tour, which is a management kind of like Cornfairy consulting. So Cornfairy consultant, I don't know if the C is going to be part of it, but that was the block I was getting getting on as I would love to brand this thing like the KFC tour. A fraud-shaking tour? No, let's call it the KFC tour. Everyone listening to it forever referred to it as the KFC tour.

Forever. Let's make this a thing. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first.

We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first.

We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. We've got to go lay our feet first. I'm a FKFC Tour event. Instead of calling it the 25, at the end of the year, they should call it the 24-feet bucket. The bucket. I mean, you're going on a load. I saw that twinkle in your eye, Taun. Taun, I love that.

No, I mean, I think Taun- That'd be tough for people like Justin Lower. We know he was 26 lives here just outside the bucket. Yeah. The bucket's tough, man. Sounds like some ambush marketing potential. That's true. That's true.

That's true. Sorry, Woodland. No more distractions. Can I tell a quick Woodland story? On Woodland specifically, I think I said this on the live show, but this is not that significant of a story, but how crazy it was to me. My dad and I were at the 2010 US Open at Pebble Beach.

Never heard of Gary Woodland in my life. It was down his bragging. And just I'm walking around, we're just walking around and we get to 2T. Nobody's following Gary Woodland in my life. Now who's bragging? And just, I'm walking around, we're just walking around, and we get to 2T, nobody's following Gary Woodland, and he just is, you know, he walks with a certain swagger now, he was walking with double the swagger back then, just oozing, talking to his.

It's like the Vince McMahon. Yeah, that's what it looked like. And he hits his drive on two, and he just absolutely bombs it, and kind of like even grinned to the crowd, and a little crowd that was there after he hit it. And you know, we start walking up kind of, we're making our way out to the good part of the property.

And we get up there and it was just ball like almost in the bunker way down there. We're like, whoa, somebody already punch out and we got up there and it was woodland. He hit sandwich in a number two at the US open. And we were all like at the same time like, who is this guy? So he immediately became like one of my favorite players back then. And to see it all come full circle from to win the US Open at Pelobiche nine years later was a very weird and out of body kind of experience.

So I was gonna say, just going back to 2011, when he kind of first burst on the scene, he has not finished, he fell outside the top 100 at the end of the year in 2012, but since 2013, he has not finished lower than 63rd in the world at the end of the year. That's what I'm saying, he's kind of like plateaued. Yeah, and he's always, he's had at least one second place finish on the PGA tour every year since 2013.

That's a pretty remarkable consistency. And at least really three to five, 10th place finishes are better every year. So I think, A, that, and then B, just earlier this year, I mean, the light bulb that went off in his head as far as putting has been absolutely remarkable. You guys are never gonna guess the answer to this question. Never, I promise you won't get this. Who do you think has more regular PGA Tour wins?

Gary Woodland or Brooks Keppga? You'll never get, or Ricky? Come on, come on. Come on, right? I mean, does he have more Ricky? Woodland has three regular PGA Tour wins and Keppga's got two, now he's got, Woodland's got four wins.

Rick's got five. Yeah, that's cool. You need them. One other point on Woodland. So I want to give a shout out to Maddie Kelly. Every week before a major, I always ask him, hey, who should I be looking for this week? He said, like, first thing off his tongue, dude, Woodland,

I really, really like him on this course. He's going to hit that two or three iron. He's aggressive. He's confident. Like, in Maddie, like, I hit that two or three iron. He's aggressive, he's confident. Like, and Matt, I think that's the only thing about woodland is all these guys out there seem to like him. Like he kind of comes off as this Uber aggressive bro, but he's actually, I think there's a good,

I think he's just soul behind. I think he's just crazy confident. Exactly, yeah. You know, it's like, how can you get to where he is without being like that? But he's not a douche.. Yeah. You know, it's like how can you get to where he is without being where he is? But he's not a douche. Yeah. Which is very hard line to straddle.

Well, when I was in Malaysia and during the fall of 2017, we're walking back from a restaurant. The players just, I mean, stick out like sore thumbs and we ended up like at the same stoplight giving it across the street. Was Gary Woodland stick out in Malaysia? Yeah. And Woodland was there with a couple of other guys and I've never met Gary Woodland in my life. And we're just kind of standing there,

and he just like turns to me, he's like, Sup, bro, and gives me like the dapp and shake. And I like had to ask his agent after I was like, yo, like, do I know Gary? I've met him, he's like, no, he's like, he's like that with everybody. He just goes up people and says, what's up, and just starts talking to him.

So he seems to be a very, very well liked guy. So good. That was good. I thought that was fun. Look, I thought Randy legitimately, I thought you had a lot of very good criticisms from the fan perspective, but at the same time, I thought I was a great championship.

A couple of things specific to Woodland, I did find it surprising. This was the first time he's closed on a 54-hole lead. Yeah, he had been 0 for 7. Whoa, I didn't realize it was that stark. Yeah, which is... So there's hope for Ricky. That's very interesting.

That's very interesting. But to your point too, it's like, man, if he could have converted even two or three of those, he's, you know, in our minds, it's probably... I always pick him for the master's. Seems like he always plays well against the... Which I looked that up, he is one top 25 in his game. But I feel like he's one of those guys,

kind of like Rosewood. Maddie was messing with you, that was. No, I don't know, man, I don't know what it is. Like I always feel like he's just, he's got a good game for Augusta, he hits fairways, but he's never quite potted well enough this year. Yeah, I was still bummed, like, you know, really being in this week,

and then when he started leading, I'm like, Woodland really, because he beat Ches last year. Well, that, like, you know, really being this week and then when he started leading, I'm like, Woodland really, because he beat Chess last year. Well, that's what, so, yeah, he beat him in the, uh, in Phoenix at the waist management. He beat him up, too, afterward. I was trying to remember, who won Phoenix this year? Ricky Fallet. Oh, I know.

Oh, I legit, I didn't know. That's my family game to play. At the end of the year, just like, who, who won? I could probably tell you, I watch every tournament and I could probably tell you maybe 40% of the guys. Yeah, you know what? That's fun like for the Sony, like the next year's Sony, like the chance, or not the Sony, excuse me, the fun day, the capeloo is like,

try not to trick me. We just like, how is this guy? What did he win? Especially now that like the, yeah, the opposite. You're all naughty. The opposite field guys get in and like the, the Zurich team guys get in. That's cool.

Julio Bell gets in. That's such a deep cut. No comment. God, that's a deep cut. You know what doesn't quite feel right is that Gary Woodland and Louis Ustazen have the same amount of majors. This is Woodland's first ever top five in a major in Dustin Johnson. Oh

God's not disappointing week for Dustin. Go ahead. You want to say it? Dustin? I mean, he's got a he had to have this circle on his counter for like five years. They're like the same age to Dustin only wins 54 whole events at that true He wasn't that great after 54 this week either now one major gets you on a list with some interesting names Yeah, there's some some Freddy Davis love Jason day. Yeah Justin Rose JT. Ben Curtis Sean McEwett Curtis rule. That was sweet. That was cool. I was gonna Curtis went on a heater for the next two years or so He won a few more out of the booze out in classic. When you win the booze out in classic good

You could you could shit up the Curtis 400 Allen Classic. When you win the Booz Allen Classic, you could shit up the greatest. He was like 400 in the world when he won the British Open. He was like a third of it. He backed it up. He made, he won a few more times. So, question, no Creek Ohio. We're kind of on the subject, but.

Been Curtis? I really, I've been itching. No, with Gary Woodland winning, does he fit more as a, you know, we've been on such a run of like strong major champions recently? Like where do you see him? Is he kind of a one time outside the box type winner? Is he, he might be the Mendoza line.

He could be that, he could be a, it could be a, it could be the Woodland line. You know, is he above or below the woodland line? So is, is Woodland above or below Tarl Schw line? So is woodland above or below Charles Schwarzel? Let's say above. That's a good question. That is a good question. I think like Schwarzel, Danny Willeter, the two that kind of come.

He's above Will. He's above Schwarzel because he's had a longer, like for me, the fact that he's had eight years or nine years or almost a decade out on tour. And he's been as consistent as he has. And he's won. And he's just a really solid golfer. There's nothing fluky about it, and I could see him win in one or two more over the next decade.

Yeah, I would say it's definitely not a fluky winner, like some of the throwaway names that we just listed off, but I think that it was weird. It's one of those things that, looking at his stats and stuff, you're like, man, he's number 25 in the world and he hits it really far. And he's been putting it great. And like you said, when you're watching, you're kind of like, oh, I'll care of it with them. There's no way he's going to hang on.

And then he wins. You're like, yeah, of course he won the US Open. Let's do this. Well, stop me or just kind of yell out Fluke when we get to like a Fluke major champion? Right. All right. And disclaimer here, like these guys all one and made the show.

So, right. So, we're just shifting that. Flue million plus dollar. I think like almost none of us have won a major. Correct. All right, Gary Wood. Maybe Neil, he's not here. Brooks Keppka, Tiger Woods, Brooks Keppka,

Francesco Molinari, Brooks Keppka, Patrick Reed, Justin Thomas, Jordan's Beath, Brooks Keppka, Francesco Molinari, Brooks Keppka, Patrick Reed, Justin Thomas, Jordan's Beath, Brooks Keppka, Sergio Garcia, Jimmy Walker. Fluk, I'll say Fluk. Fluky. He was like top 10 in the world. Yeah, he's a backstop. He was playing so good.

He was on a run then. So good. Henrik Stent. Also, we don't know that that one happened. That's true. That could have been a computer simulation as we've mentioned many times. Dustin Johnson, Daniel Willett.

Danny Willett again was like 13 to four. You just called DGF Luke? That's like the block I'm starting to scope out. I've been Hal's hunting in the neighborhood. Just waiting for something out. Jason Day, Zach Johnson, Jordan Speed, Jordan Speed, Johnson, Jordan speed, Jordan speed here. Rory McElroy, Rory McElroy, Martin Kimer, Bubba Watson, Jason Duffner, Phil Mickelson, Justin Rose, Adam Scott, Rory McElroy, Ernie Ls. Luke, that was the fluke.

Yeah, Ernie Ls. It wasn't a fluke that he won in major, it was a fluke that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying at that time, that was fluke. Webb Simpson, Bubba Watson, Keegan Bradley. Webb's win was a little Flute key. It was, see like Woodland feels

a cut above Keegan, I think. For sure. Keegan was a rookie. Is it, like he was fresh off the thing KFC? Part of the deal too is how you, what I deal too is how you win. Which I think he was like number seven in the bucket that year.

Woodland, that was Bob's. That was Bob's. He stepped on people's throats. Yeah, like, like, to me, I don't, it was the fifth. Even if he didn't have the eight to nine years of, of background, man, like he, he's still sleeping on the 36 and 54 whole lead to win. Like, that's why Jimmy Walker was wired a wire.

Like that, that, I have a hard time calling that flicking. Again, they, what, that's conjecture alleged, that's alleged, like I go back. Wired, on a certain, Darren Clark. To the computer. Again, that's conjecture alleged. That's alleged. I go back. Wired. Daring Clark. To the computer, so you can say that. That's the one that is like the Bowser fluky reason, like fluky win,

because he didn't do anything after that for the rest of his career. And then it goes roaring. You should have won that one. Is that the one DJ shranked out of bounds? Yeah. Yeah. That was sick.

So in the realm of what we've experienced recently in majors, that was a somewhat fluky win I think we can say but at the same time like in the great It was the 25th ranked player in the world which is like speaking to what we've been through in the last several years Yeah, that's what I mean we kept saying that in all the previous like dude It has been so good lately. Yeah, it's crazy how good it's been. It's still good. We can play it every day Speaking of clay about everything. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of the way about everything, what? Can we talk about his coverage?

Fox is the worst. DJ will now step out of the room. Yeah, good. What did you guys think of the television experience this week? I'll get mine out of the way, because mine's very service level. I thought it was, I think Fox is great.

I think their audio is top notch. There's a clean modern presentation to it that I think is lacking by CBS. I think Fox and NBC do a good job and I really like Fox for some of their shot tracer, some of the camera angles I thought were very cool and I think their audio is probably the best audio of all the broadcast. Isn't it crazy what a difference that makes? It seems like you're there. It seems like something that would be you know the least important and it's got it's everything.

Objectively, on all the objective fronts, they do a really, really great job. I think it's just the fact that they don't get as many reps. Yeah. They can't practice this stuff. And they made huge strides the last few years. I felt like they kind of, they made a plateau a little bit this year. They make more errors than anyone. huge strides the last few years, I felt like they kind of, they made a plateau a little bit this year. They make more errors than anyone.

There's more like audio cut, which is the most forgivable thing, I think, because I know they're trying to do a million things, and I just don't care that much about small little errors. If you're showing us golf shots, the tolerance level for what we'll put up with is exceptionally a lot. Exactly. I think they buy a lot of like favor with people like us, just of how much golf and I got an email from somebody today that you know I sent out the request after I timed that CBS did 28 golf shots in 30 minutes

For somebody else the time of segment. He's like, do I time to segment and like they had five and a half minutes of commercial in that segment Which is like kind of a lot for Fox and they showed 48 golf shots in a 30 minute segment, which is pretty damn good I thought you know Fox and they showed 48 golf shots in a 30 minute segment which is pretty damn good. I thought, you know, just one little thing to that audio point that, first of all, Graham McDowell got a lot of cover on the broadcast this week, which is fine. I like Graham. He was just on there a lot. But one at last time.

Yeah. One of the things that I thought was so cool and I followed him, I think it was all Friday afternoon that before every one of his shots, it was just. Right. And they got that every single time. that before every one of his shots, it was just... Ssshh! Ssshh! Right. And they got that every single time. It was the deep breath that he took right before he went to hit a T-shirt.

And I was like, dude, now I feel like I'm standing on the floor. Yes, you are. Oh man, what's gonna happen? Yeah, and I'm not getting somebody talking over it. It was like, that's his routine. And he did it every time at every section, like at the same spot of every pre-shot routine. And I was like, whoa, I never knew that.

And now I watch a lot of golf. And that's really cool. Yeah. Tell you what was wild was nants coming in the booth. And being like, man, I've never seen some of these shots before, like the drones out there and all that. This guy has done the broadcast from Pebble Beach. How many years in a row now?

For CVS? 78. I mean, it's wild. It's like, yeah, man, like this is, that's kind of what we're saying, Jim. Yeah. And then I think Fox, they'd lost a little bit of, I don't want to say identity, but they lost a little bit of their mojo when they hit prime time each night when they switch, like they would switch it from FS1 to Fox on Thursday and Friday. I feel like they were trying to be all things to all people and broaden the base on Thursday and

Friday when they did that. Really, it's like you got Stanley Cup and NBA finals on. Like you got golfers are watching your telecast. Just keep doing what you're doing and keep the flow going from the afternoon. A lot of segments, a lot of features, which I don't even, I don't, we pretend like we know the business, so I don't know how the business actually works and what not. I don't know why they have to do so many features and I feel it. And you guys are on for fucking 15 hours a day, and they need to go to the bathroom.

Well, they have commercial breaks for that, and they have two different booths. You gotta make sure people are watching that, Sedgwick, the entertainer. Oh, I missed that one. I was at Pebble, I don't know how I mentioned that. What was the Sedgwick, the entertainer? It miss that one I was that pebble I don't know I mentioned that uh what was the subject in the entertainer it was like him rehashing tigers run in 2000 there's like a five minute segment and they replayed it twice it was it was not great listen

what what's his he was in uh he has some show on fox he was he was in who's your caddy also so I don't know if he had a unique perspective on the golf in that way he's Steve your type a unique perspective on the golf in that way. He and Steve Irtaid. I thought Brad Faxon really emerged as a true next level analyst and the best color guy that Fox has. And I like Paul Azinger. I do. I really do.

I didn't hear one nice word on social media about him this week and I did not think he was spectacular. I definitely did not think he was spectacular on the broadcast. And I like the folksy charm and the, I feel like your buddy's talking to you. I felt like the reservoir just ran a little bit dry, a little bit early in the weekend with him. It almost seems like Azinger needs to be part

of a three-man team. Yeah. It should be a host, Azinger for kind of the folksy, you know quick Yeah, it's jokes and then like a Brad Faxon. Yeah, why not bring facts and analyze that's what I'm getting getting Just make it a three-man booth and have the two of them play off each other. Yeah, and I feel like a Story telling is probably better and like a more free-flowing It's a lot a lot is being put on singer and I don't think he's put in the best position to succeed and I think like Faxon and Bacon are the best prepared golf guys to talk about golf and like buck and Zinger together

Just don't bring that same kind of golf centric energy to it You know, it's kind of more of the like you're talking about being all things to all people Buck is kind of brought in there in some way I know he's a very polarizing figure But he's recognizable and like, people will want, even if you hate Joe Buck, you will tune into watch him kind of like, how you tune into listen to Howard Stern if you hate him.

But I don't know, I feel like they're really onto something and for true golf fans, like that bacon, facts and duo. Brett Quigley, I think's pretty good. They're on course guys, do a really good job. And the combination of all the different shots that give you is a really, really cool viewing experience. So I think where I fall out, at least with this weekend, is it didn't feel like weaved as much in and out of the two booth crews.

It seemed like it was mainly zinger and in a buck, at least Saturday, Sunday, late in the day. Whereas I feel like in the past, they've kind of switched on and off a little bit more Also DJ you had a really good idea for Steve Flesch to drop the C in his name That was a private thing. I just meant because he's bald and Flesch I get it That's coming for you to bring that up. I thought I said that it confidence Did you know Steve Flesch from Northern Kentucky? Yeah, because you mentioned every time he's on TV. So my retirement from Coffitt takes,

I know you guys criticize this, but I can set the parameters of my own retirement. It was from complaining about the broadcast. So I do want to say something positive. I thought Gill Hans was exceptional. I thought he was such a cool addition to the broadcast. I thought he did such a good job explaining a lot of like, you know, what you're about to see,

what guys are trying to do, what the history of each hole was, why some things can't be changed, why some things could be changed. I thought like, I forget. I think it was him. Was it him and Joel? Yeah, it was him and Joel Collat for a while

and they were going back and forth and I just, that was one of the more entertaining sections of the day. So more of that I thought was I wish they'd do more hands later in the day. Well in next year I bet they will next year because they're at wing footies doing the whole you know the renovation there. Which that was my thing. I'm just I'm I'm fucking tired guys the whole like primetime it's But like man it's hard to just keep yourself from watching too much golf because it comes on.

Yeah. So early and then it eats days, you know, I've been able to go to sleep the last couple nights because I've been jacked up. Well, that was probably due to Chez Reeves' performance. Well, listen, of course. What a gritty performance from Chez. And they showed what, that was the other complaint with Fox, where they missed. It was my, listen, we're really hard on other teams for, you know, missing a lot of shots.

I honestly thought Chess had ejected it. And you played like one of the steadiest US open rounds you could play today. And they just didn't show, bother to show. He was never a factor to win and I get it. Like, there was some real drama going on and there were three guys in the mix. So they were, they focused on that. They got really honed in on that and they delivered on that. That was the most important thing.

They missed some of the other Encelerary stuff and not showing Chesry. He felt a little personal. It did. It did. He's a walk on. Well, yeah, I mean, that was kind of like- Why? I was kind of my blog as he reminds me of, you know, when you're playing high school football

and there's a kid who, you know, like he's got no business starting. He's got really no business feeling. He might get hurt, but he's just trying so hard and you've got kind of the apathetic, much more talented starting quarterback or starting receiver. And so the coach kind of uses Chez's,

like Chez is the, you know, you can pick which one he is in this analogy, but he's the one so the coach kind of uses Chez's, like Chez is the, you know, you can pick which one he is in this analogy, but he's the one that the coach kind of uses to motivate the other players. It's like, I think I mentioned this actually in the Phoenix pod when he got B. It's like, God, if I had 11 Chez Reeves on this team, you know, we wouldn't have to worry about getting bounced from the playoffs in the second round. Which was really cool to see Rory play with Chez this week, because I think Rory could learn a lot. Rory, like,es this week because I think Rory could learn a lot.

Rory, like it literally is that quarterback. That's it. Mike Davis might be the coach of the team and he put, you know, he put Rory like, hey, I think this is good for our national championship. If you could see Ches, you could see Ches is great for one day. That's going to make you a better player. Is Ches the guy we always use to say would would be racing down a Delmar in the afternoon? No, that's he's slow.

He's slow. That's right. No, that's he's slow. He's slow. That's right. That's right. No, Ches is like that, that 195 pound defensive tackle who's got the face mask that nobody wants. That's what you're trying to say. Yeah, the bar, yeah, the centerpiece bar of the face mask that would like,

you're going to high school football practice. Everyone's like, oh God, please, just like, don't give me that one. Just give me like the D on one or whatever. We're pretty far into the pot. I don't think this name's been wrenched. Yeah. Until it just now, Roy McElroy. Yeah. Cat was not a bad guy.

I mean guys, I am proud of myself. Roy's, you know, no one loves Roy more than me. Yeah. I was proud of myself that this week like going into last night, I was like, dude, this is- I did not fall for it. It's not gonna happen I've seen it like I'm not doing this Yeah, you peaked early peaked Canada. Yeah, which and that's where it's like you can't need more wins I'm fine with him peaking I'm actually fine with him not winning the us open because I feel like it's more important for him to win

The British open by her majesty the Queen. I don't know who won. I don't know if it's an either or. Yeah. I think he could. Brooks has proven it's not an either or. Yeah, I think they're all in a vacuum. It's very important this year that he win it. Well, why is that? Because he's going to be officially dead if he doesn't.

Five full years without winning a major. And you know, some of the prime years of his career. So who disappointed you more, Rory or DJ? This week or this week? This week? This week? Probably Rory, but that's more of a reflection on like, my expectations for DJ have been lowered.

Yeah, not like in a joke and like. Quit listening to me when you see it. Yeah, no, I mean, I just don't, there's something about DJ. I just, I don't have much confidence in him. Quit whispering in tron's ears, you say that. No, the Rory, how well Rory has played this year and winning two events and one of them being a fake major.

Like, it elevated what we thought of him for this week. I've taken that back though. I didn't expect him this setup to be great for him. We, DJ and I both picked him, or no. Rory and I both picked him as or no. Rainy and I both picked him as, he's not gonna win this week. So, him top tenning was actually not a surprise, but I think it's a good fine week.

He showed some grit. More than usual, I think, just with, you know, chipping and kind of manufacturing some stuff. He played the parfod's like shit, which was a theme for everybody. That's kind of a theme for everybody. It's kind of like, yeah. Yeah, it's hard to, this is where the takes get dumb, I think, but I'm gonna make them even

dumber. But it's really easy to just forget that somebody wasn't in contention. Nobody's disappointed in Tony Fiena, he missed a cut. But we're saying, gosh, Rory, the way that he played himself in a contention and he didn't win, that's so disappointing. And so it's, on one hand, you gotta give props to like, got he was six under three, three rounds at the US Open. That's really good.

And played really good golf to get there. Yeah, he did. And then he comes out and like, when you're like, dude, all right, Rory, you're one of, you know, five guys on the Slaterboard who can just absolutely flame throw that front nine and you got and like make like the worst double ever on two and it's like all right cool well that's over that's very disappointing how many top

tens you think Roy's got in majors all of them probably like like like 50 he's no it's it's not a 20. 20. Exactly. Oh, there you go. He's supremely talented. Yeah, he gets he gets graded on a different on a different scale. I mean, I think we've gone into that, but this is his first made cut at the US Open since 2015. It's processed. Yeah. That's that's pretty jerry. Yeah. So I think Wingfoot next year will be, should pretty good. It should be good. It should be good. One for him too.

That page should have been good though too. But again, I think that just kind of puts into perspective not to bring everything back to Brooks, but just how freaking consistent and good he's been. And they're like, if we'd have got this out of Rory, that's what it felt like a win of like, well, God, that was as close as he's been since 2014. Like he's not going back on the doorstep. And if Capca would have won today, he would have eviscerated Rory's major career in two years.

Yeah, that would have been nice. I think with Rory, it's still, he's trending, right? He's trending in the right direction. He's making like, he won, he won last week. He, well, it's kind of like him going into the players where everybody was like, oh, I don't know. There's all these close calls. Like, is he gonna win?

Is he gonna, and then he kind of goes and boat races. Just gonna give him, go race, boat races. The players, I think that's, yeah, that's solid thing. It's like, it's never bad to just give yourself chances, shout out to Ricky, be in contention. Where we have a Jordan. Well, before we get there, on the Brooks thing, like I don't know if we're gonna talk about Brooks more or not,

but I almost feel like, I have a very similar feeling to, I know this sounds stupid, but to what we felt when Tiger won the Masters, and I'm just like, dude, I can't even, I kinda can't wrap my head around this. Like, Brooks has been, like, literally that good. Yeah. It's shocking.

You don't, I don't hear anybody talking about it I've been literally that good. Yeah. It's shocking. I don't hear anybody talking about it in a way that makes sense. Like everyone's just kinda like, yeah, I don't know, it's pretty good, right? It's like, no, it's historically good. It's insane. Like people should be freaking out, but I just don't know if anybody

really knows how to feel. It's kind of weird. It bothered me and I know by technicality, Willie Anderson, 13 three straight US opens ending in 1905, I wanted to just be like, dude, no one has done this before. Like nobody's fucking one three straight US opens. What? Like, no one, like that would have been-

You're going to be hearing from Willie Anderson nation on Twitter. Listen, it's a niche. Guys, I have a question. Did Brooks not win today because Nike put him in a white plane hat? Well, I think he not win because Nike was like, dude, we can't pay out anymore bonus money Yeah, I can't we can't have you with this one. I think bringing Randy's whole thing back into this This was as live under par as a us open setup gets and Brooks does not win on live under par golf courses It is interesting. Well, it's why the nary hills. It's why quite under when week to week on tour either. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Uh,

spieth. Still bandating it. It's not great. It's not good. It's not great. It feels like he's giving me anxiety when I watch him. Yeah, it doesn't look easy. You know, it's an outside observer. Like sometimes you just watch guys and you can just like, it looks easy. You know, it's an outside observer. Like sometimes you just watch guys and you can just like, it looks easy. Like you feel comfortable watching them, speeds you don't get to. Well, that was my thing.

I was texting you guys on Thursday before it's, before it's T time. And I'm watching them. I don't, I'm not at that many events. I don't really get to watch them warm up. But I was watching them go through his whole routine. And the cam McCormick's out there. And I mean, he's like hands on and this is 15 minutes

before he's like getting ready to go to the tee for a major championship where everyone's like you should definitely win like you're this is so perfect for you and they were grinding like it was so unsettling to watch and it's like very like routine stuff and of course like I wouldn't begin to you know think that I know what they're working on or whether that's abnormal or not, but it's weird as hell to watch. It is stressful to watch. I feel like maybe this is the analogy I'm going for and that it's like watching somebody try to do to stack like 52 cards up, like I make a house.

I'm not calling his game a house of cards, but it's like for a while, it was like, dude, you get to the second level and it would fall apart. And like, it would, you know, and then for a while, it's like, oh, now he's on the third level with the cards. And like, is it going to happen now? And then it like falls apart. He keeps climbing levels, but like, it's still like, he's got, like, he's leaking oil in so many places that it just never gets all the way to the top.

I'm not calling his game a house of cards, but here's a two minute analogy. So that's so cool of you to like make that analogy on Father's Day, because we've been trying to potty train Freddie, and like that's kind of how potty training feels. Like, it's getting closer. Like, oh, you got on the toilet, but then like, shit on the side of it.

Like, you totally missed it, but like, man, you're closer, you got to the third level. I was gonna say what level is he at today? We've regressed since he got sick last week, so. But it just feels like... Happy Father's Day, by the way. There's more and more good things going on, yet the things that are bad are still there,

and looming, and they bite, they just rear their ugly head, and you just... It's the gremlins. Eddie Peperal talked about. Yeah. He looked like he had mad fucking gremlins in his way. Yeah, that's a good way to think about it. He just... Woodland had no, like, no gremlins. Yeah, and you like he had mad fucking grandma. That's a good way to think about it. He just wouldn't had not like no grandma. Yeah, and you look at Capca too. It's like, dude,

he is so free and easy. Yeah. Like it is just pure in the moment, competing and speed. It feels like he's fighting man. He's fighting. That's what I go back to with Rory and feeling like I just don't feel the real threat in it because we're watching the guy who is the threat. Like Keppka is the guy that we wanted this killer that we wanted so many different players to be and we said this after the PGA, but like, I don't want to say he proved even more to me in not winning this event, but like,

actually coming in with real pressure of having one two of these and having to double defend and having one guy beat you, maybe the most impressive of all of this to me. Well, yeah, no, you're exactly right. Like we've played three majors and two guys have beat him. Right? You know, it's like. I've had the last four.

Out of the last four, yeah. And it's just, it's like, dude, yeah, when, this, you know, Jack talks about this a lot and stuff too, but it's like, when you put yourself in that position and one guy beat you, it's like, dude, it could go either way. Yeah, you're like, you're kind of at the, it's a proverbial rub of the green at that point. You know, it's just who gets the breaks, who chips in,

who makes pots like, what out, and that's just, it's like, dude, Brooks is playing good enough to win every time he tees it up at a major, which is hilarious. Which is the funniest qualifier. Yeah, yeah. But like, not only that now though, he's got nowhere to hide, like we expect it.

Like now this week was like the most expectation we've ever had. It's like, all right, do good. Like we're watching, go do good. We're gonna watch all your shots. And for the, maybe the first time since he won the first one, I felt like I cared. I felt like I was rooting for him to do it

and getting pissed when he was hitting bad shots. And it felt like maybe he's burst through and he's not always, I don't think he's ever going to be the real likable guy, but he's successful enough now that we feel like we're watching some history. Yeah, there's a certain validation you get when you watch, when you feel like you're watching something that's... That matters. Historically relevant.

Yeah, it's a lot different to watch him at Aaron Hills where you're kind of like rooting for, you know, rooting for the train to go out the tracks or rooting for someone else to come back and win or whatever. It's different to watch that than, you know, watch him today after everything that we've seen. It's like, no, dude, he's better than everyone else. Like, he deserves to win. You know, and that's where it almost felt like to me was like, if he doesn't win, he's, he's getting robbed because he's the best player. Well, it kind of felt, I was trying to find like a good, good, me. It's hard to meme in the middle of all this going on, but like Thomas Jefferson said that.

You ever see, when he was writing the, you ever see like a pen, independent. That, like, somebody will have like a fake, like a stuffed animal that's similar to like a pet, and the pet will look at it, like all confused, like who's this imposter? I felt like that was Capco watching Woodland a little bit. You called him the Ronaldo statue.

That's wonderful. He was like the worst version of Capca. Then I looked up the Ronaldo statue and that would have been very insulting to him. Who is the Ronaldo version? That's like maybe Cocrack. It's like the Ronaldo version of Capca. The Ronaldo statue we're talking about, like that notoriously famous bad bust.

What else we got? Victor Hoveland? I don't want to start with this with Victor Hoveland, but it was like a lot of the treatment he got. He's incredible player, like seriously, gonna be a very good pro. A lot of the treatment was like unbelievable accomplishment, and I looked it up, I was like,

when Jordan Speed was 21 years old, he was winning the US Open as his second major won. That's my lead in to be like, yes, he's an absolute stud. The fact that he doesn't take divots like with mid-Ions and stuff blows my mind, I don't understand. It is a sweeper, like me and Randy. And he swings so hard and he has zero fear in that swing

and he looks like he's tailor-made to be a tremendous professional. You know what I'm like, unlike DJ? It's like when Gank is told Randy, holy shit dude dude you were like that you're even more shallow than One thing I absolutely love is and I am still bummed about this a year later that I didn't really watch I forget what we were doing but didn't get to watch much of the usam at pebble last year I love when the usam is like a lead-in to the US open. That's a great way of doing it. I so cool. And the USGA gets a good test run to figure out what they want to do for certain, you know, pain locations and how they want to grow the roughener.

I think that's such a cool thing. I hope the USGA keeps doing that. I don't really, I guess we could look up at the schedule looked like, but the Pinehurst year where they went back to back weeks of US open and US women's open. I thought that was great. That was a really cool touch. So the US AMS going back to Chambers Bay, right? Didn't they announce that? I think they did. In the future, it's part of the year. No, no, no, not this year. But down the road, it's going back to Chambers Bay, which maybe that's a... But be a trial balloon for another US open there. Yeah, but watching this week also made me think like, guys, what were we doing with Chambers Bay and their nails? Like, there's enough really... When you look back, it's a really bad fashion stuff. Yeah, it's like, what were we doing? Like, I get what you we doing with Chamberlain, or Nürn Hills? There's enough really. When you look back at some really bad fashion stuff. Yeah, it's like, what were we doing?

Like, I get what we were trying to do here, but like, we got these golf courses. I love Chamberlain. I was gonna say, I want another look at Chamberlain. What the new dream is up there should be, it's supposed to be pure. I just think, yeah, I just think that there's, like, I started thinking about it.

It was like, man, how sick would it be if I knew, if we knew in five years, we'd be going back to Pebble. We know the shots, we know the golf course, and I think it's... Didn't they know that's it? And I know it's going back to Pebble in the future, but I think what they do with the old course, and it's like every five years, I know it's going to be every six now, it's frequent, and it's enough time that you forget the golf holes and forget the shots and whatnot. So speaking of Pebble, if you'll indulge me

a few things from being on site, I thought that, hey, it's awesome to be at a US Open I haven't done that since Chambers Bay. And one of the things that really stuck with me was kind of one of the things I said in the last wrap-up that we did, which was like the gap between majors and regular events has never felt wider to me.

Like I have been to the AT&T Pebble Beach, and I know this is obvious because we're talking about the US Open, and there's a ton of fan interest, and it's, you know, one of the four biggest tournaments of the year. However, I think, like I've been to the AT&T Pebble Beach three or four times, and coming into the gates this week, like I thought I was on a different piece of property. Like I've mentioned on this podcast a ton, like oh my God, go to the Pebble Beach tournament, like it's so relaxed, it's so chill,

like you can go see all these great golf shots, there's nobody stressed out, you're not like this week was jarring just at like, how much infrastructure there is, how many people there are, like I was walking outside the ropes with like some buddies and stuff and just not being able to see shots of like very, you know, low priority players.

Like there's just so many people everywhere that it's impossible to see shots. So where I'm going with that is not a complaint. It's just like, it's crazy to see the interest in these things compared to a regular tour event. And that's, I'm telling you, that's something to keep an eye on because I don't know how that can be.

I don't know what happens to the tour. If that chasm keeps getting bigger and bigger, it's almost like the more guys, the more the tour promotes guys, I don't think it's like people tuning into, you know, regular season events more. It's more it's like the more you promote Gary Woodland for winning in Tampa, the more like people are going to be jacked up to see him at the US Open, you know, and it's almost like it's, well that was a crazy deal. It's almost like ripping the thing in parts. It's really weird. I said how like what does Tiger's schedule look like for the rest of the year? Because the tour still seems to be at you know, Tiger's still the needle and they, what she is.

Yeah. And he didn't, like, all right. So he didn't play between the masters and the PGA. And then he played the memorial. Yep. And then he played the US Open. And then it doesn't sound like he's going to play with again, before the British Open presented by our majesty. And then so he's like, he's playing like five or six regular tour of the year now.

And that's where, again, I'm fully aware that maybe I'm just biased on this because I worked at the tour for a long time, but yeah, these events just feel like they're turning into wraps or something. It's really weird. From a casual fans perspective, and maybe it's always been like that. I was going to say, I think PGA Tour events week to week are like a local event. It's for local people. It's for you to come out to local tour stop.

Except for it's major. It's dependent on like big-ass TV contracts. Well, that's different. Like attending an event, like you're talking about, a major is like a worldwide thing. People fly in for it. People travel, you'll see it. And you, those events are not meant for you

to be able to follow people. I tell people this at Ryder Cups, like get a spot where you can see a jumbo tron, you can see the other action, and you can watch everybody come through, do not try to follow a group. You can't do it. And at majors, don't try to follow a group

because there's so many people. When you have an, like the USGA, it runs one huge large men's professional event every year. They're gonna try to make a shitload of money off of it and they do so they have a ton of hospitality. They have, but it also means there's a shitload of demand. Yeah, that's DJ's point to where like this traveling road show that is the circle that the tour like it doesn't, it's not really engendering that same demand and then when they they, when they pump up tigers, the main draw and tiger only shows up five times a year, six times a year, like that really hurts your product.

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like it seems like both the majors and the regular tour events are like built on the same model, right? It's TV contracts, it's, you know, presenting sponsors are in the majors perspective. It's, you know's presenting sponsors of Rolex and the people we saw this week. But when those events are getting so fundamentally different from a casual fan interest perspective,

like, man, I don't really know how you solve that. And I don't know what that looks like in the future. It is, I'm not rooting for chaos, I'm not rooting for these events to, you know, become irrelevant. But it's like, dude, how do you watch the US open at Pebble Beach? And as a casual fan and then get jacked up for like the 3M or the, you know, the quick and loans in Detroit. Like I'm going to watch those events and I'm going to be psyched about it.

But it just seems like more and more, like they're gonna be so dependent on really hard core golf fans to support those events from like a TV perspective, especially as things move, you know, you move into like a new TV contract and streaming and streaming services and people paying for subscriptions and that kind of stuff. I don't know, anyways, it's a whole other topic, but I was blown away at the infrastructure and the footprint

and just the spectacle that a major championship is because it's, it is wild, man. And so to see, and did you notice it being very, very stark even in relation to say the PGA championship? No, I think it's probably similar. I mean, the PGA is a big deal. Like, there's a lot, a big footprint there as well, but I think what it really drove home was just, you know, it's so easy to sit and be like, God, this place should host a

major. They should take the US open here, here, here, like, there's 20 places in the country that can legitimately host the US open. Like, it's nuts. They'd amount of parking and hospitality and all that stuff. It's just, it's a good reminder and you know something to think about is we're casually throwing stuff around the other thing was Pebble like is so much more subtle than I think I ever realized like seeing it up close and actually like looking at a critical eye Just from like a major championship perspective you start to look at you know I think a lot of people saw the green. Oh God the balls are spinning back on the greens. Like this is bullshit to US Open. But then you look at like, look at it, you're in.

You take a whole like number four, is a perfect example. And people are like, oh my God, like what, look, these balls are spinning off the front of the green. It's like two, that green is tilted like 30 degrees from back to front. And the fairway is tilted like 30 degrees.

So talking to like some players about this, it's like, when you're in that fairway, you're freaking out because you're on an uphill I to a green that's back to front and like controlling the spin is half the battle. It's not like, this is what I'm saying where you just make these rock hard. That's not the challenge. The challenge is supposed to be things exactly like that. And so I just saw a lot of stuff like that.

A whole like number three where you're basically, a whole number three where you basically, you're sitting on a draw lie and to get to a lot of those pins, like you have to hit a fade. There's just little things like that that even are hard to come out in the broadcast even when you have all the time in the world and you have someone like Gail Hanson, like you still can't capture all that stuff.

So just, yeah, I don't know. Both, I'm both saying like don't go to a major because there's too many people who can't see anything and definitely. So just, yeah, I don't know. Both, I'm both saying, like, don't go to a major because there's too many people who can't see anything and definitely go to a major because there's stuff you can't see on TV. For sure, I think almost any golf course, like going in person, like when I went to Firestone for the first time, I was like, oh, dude,

this looks way different in person than it does on TV. It doesn't make for an any better viewing experience on TV, but having that appreciation for like, oh, there's like land-in movement out here. It looks, it's, TV flattens everything. And there were a couple really good pictures, as we could just tiger and guys hitting shots in like, in nine fairway, showing the depth of the beach back there. And I was like, do that.

Even, that's what the drone shots were so key. Showing the elevation change on the seventh hole. Like, how many times have we seen that hole? I forget how much downhill that is. Yeah. So that wrap around view from the ocean showing how much higher that 7T is is really, and that's kind of some of that,

like you're talking about, that nuance to pebble. And the discussion we had about pebble being overrated before the event, I think I have even more appreciation for the golf course, again, as a major championship venue now. I think a lot of our discussion was more based on it being a course that is, you know, the other 51 weeks of the year as a major championship venue now. I think a lot of our discussion was more based on it

being a course that is, you know, the other 51 weeks of the year are just, people pay a ton of money to play it, that I think there are still a ton of improvements they can make to it. So for that to be a better experience than like whatever the fifth ranked course in the world. Right.

Now that's a separate conversation for like watching an tournament there, that was fucking awesome. That was great. Like I was tremendous. I don't have a ton of criticism on that front. Well, and I think that's where things as simple as like the brownie points segments. I know we don't get enough of we harp on this how good these are a lot, but something like that is such a perfect indicator where CBS like they'll laugh. I'm not supposed to use that word. Other networks will use, you know, like a graphic,

they're like, you know what people need is like like a graphic, that this is looking at, look at how things moving, and now we're gonna have an arrow that comes over the hill and it's gonna show you 34 feet from top to bottom. No, sometimes, you might see it all break through the floor. I don't know what this is, just roll fucking beach ball down the hill and show me how much it rolls down the hill, like that, I'd be like, whoa, look at that, down hill, that is, that's crazy.

And folks, that DJ's retirement from... No, no, no, no, no, no. He's like the school administrator who retired and took the pension and now like, come back. It's disgusting, scumbag, very disgusting. I have a couple of lightning rings. He's gonna be doing cameos with Brett Farve. I'm gonna have double dipping.

No, this is disgusting. You guys don't respect my privacy. We didn't talk any cat, by the way. A lot of people are speculating these hurt. Like, his back was all messed up. Some people were speculated that he died. I don't have a lot to add on the cat. The cold weather was, he was making an excuse

for the cold weather. It was not good for him. For the first time in my life, I have not, maybe for the first time in my life, but definitely since the first time, you know, since all the scandal and the real bottoming out of the cat, I've hit this point now since he won the Masters where, and you watch him at the PGA too, where it's like, ah, you know what, it's just not as weak. Whatever. That's all right. I'll show some other guys. Everything feels like gravy now. Yeah, whereas it used to be like, gosh, show every shot. What's he doing? Why are we not watching Tiger?

And now I'm like, oh, it's whatever, it's okay. And Capca kind of feels the void. Yeah, totally. And that like, you know, he sees the guy right now. So I don't know if the casual fan feels like that, but I think back then, like, you know, looking at 2014, 2015, even like before that, 2012, 2011, where there's injuries and he's playing really good

and then he's out, now he's hurt, now he's okay. Like we've had this long stretch where he's just been like readily available to go play golf. And it's like, yeah, I mean, we don't need to see him shoot, you know, 73, like that's what I was saying. Yeah, we're good. I think treated him good today, on Saturday.

Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah, it was appropriate. Matt Wallace, T12. Matt, it was appropriate. Matt Wallace T12 Matt Wallace Matt Wallace Matt. I thought this is one of Sally's favorite jokes in the world. Picking on poor, Verlundquist at Augusta a couple of years ago. Oh, it was at the PGA or the PGA. That's not really. What do you call him? Mike Wallace. What do you mean it ace?

Good for the big an ace. Not only did he call him. Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace. Let's shocked. Let's go. Now is it now? Sorry, that was Ed Wallace. 60 minutes. That was the cut over to Verdi's. It's clearly very excited to call this tape-to-late ace. Thank you, Jim. This is Mike Wallace. He steps up and makes it. You keep Verdi's name out your mouth. I didn't say that now Sally does it for every player whatever they they like first see this is Greg woodland coming up. Well, what I was gonna say Matt Wallace T12 Having pretty good year on the heels of really good year last year really really good year last year

He's gonna be popping in the top 20 in the world here if he wins once or twice more. He could be the new You so I wanted to just put a good thing to put on the radar put a little You know calendar reminder there Zander how about Zander Randy you were all over that one you you've straight us opens You look he's finished like six fifth and now third is he the control over years? Yeah, he seems like a very... Well, that should tell you it's a good setup. Without looking at the anything online,

how many guys or what were the guys that shot under par in every round this week? That's always my favorite. Well, I know one, because I mentioned on the broadcast. It was John Rom. Yeah. And the other two were woodlanding. Did woodlanding? OK.

It's only three. When I started to ask it, I thought it was Shaftley. It was one of them, but he was not. But I thought quiet T3 for him. I thought Matt Fitzpatrick had a good week. Expect him to play well there, and he did. Adam Scott has been contending his balls off lately. It seems like he is in contention all the time

without really being a threat to win. He just always seems like he's on the other side of the golf course. Yeah, he's just a catch up with him real quick. Here's Adam Scott putting for birdie with a pin in for 15 feet. He's playing the North course today. You should see what he's doing out there.

Joey's leaving the pin in on this plot. Yeah, and then they come, and then inevitably, they come back like 45 minutes later. You see him miss like an 18 inch plot. So, I guess it's just not as weak. Shout out to Nate Lashley, finished one under par for the week, hung around. I think people were expecting him to get vaporized a little bit.

Aaron Wise bounced back today after 78 or 79 yesterday. Can we talk about the speed, growler exchange? I know we talked about it on the live show on Thursday, but I missed all this as well. So Speed hits his T-shot on the eighth hole. The Thursday or Friday, one of those days. Both days, it was Thursday.

He hits his T-shot in the water on eight, goes over the cliff. Long? Long. And then he hits his third shot, it drops his third shot over the green. And then with the Fox camera guy, like right there, almost like he turns to the cameraman

to say this, not even Greller. Breaking the fourth wall. He's like, first shot, two perfect shots, Mike, you got me in the water off the tee and another one long there. And then Twitter just melted down on that one. Which I was partially responsible. At first I tried to be responsible and I said,

hey guys, I'm not gonna have any, Mike and I aren't gonna have any comment at this time. And then I said, you know what, this really chaps my ass. I couldn't sit silent and- You can't sleep on that. No, and I think it's just because he does all the wee stuff all the time.

Yeah, that's bad. And I feel like just the chirpiness has gotten to the point where he's just, it's tough to watch. And then the rake happened the following day, which I don't know who's putting a rake up at the top of the bunker. The rake, I think, is a totally separate thing.

I don't think he was ever blaming Greller for the rake. I don't hit it. He was very, I don't know what's separate to do, but he was very clearly blaming Greller for what happened on eight. Which, to me, know, and I want to separate the two. He was very clearly blaming Greller for what happened on 8. And they, Which, to me, like, Greller tried to talk him,

like he said, I like one less than this and speed hit. Which we don't know if he hit one more than Greller had suggested. We don't know what he had in his hand. It wasn't like, no, I'm hitting one more and then going along. I don't think that would have happened. The whole thing just seems so, like you seem so removed from it. He seems so emotionally detached from the decision-making

and the conversation to where, it's like he just needed somebody to blame on the back end. And that's fine, and maybe that's part of their relationship. I had a bunch of people reach out and say, oh, T.C., this isn't, you know, like, this is nothing, you know. Like, if you think about this, it was bad. Yeah, I'm like, it was bad.

I'm like, I get it. Yeah, certain guys, but those guys don't stand up after the round and say, we, we, we, we, us team, team, we, you know. So yeah, shot to Victor Dubeson. Right. And I think kind of the conclusion we got to was like, it's very clear that the speed should take responsibility for all the decisions being made. And at the same time, like,

Grelor should probably, probably would admit that he made a mistake there. Like he should not have had a club in his hand that could have got in the water off the sea. We're gonna have our sit down this week and we're gonna, we're gonna talk to the wall. We're gonna walk away badly and we're going to go from there. I thought that Will Bardwell, a friend of the program, had a fantastic tweet about Jordan's beef. And basically basically this is just a veiled, you know, a veiled shot at bitching at the caddies and, and all that stuff.

He said, I, I fancy myself an intellectually consistent person. I've always liked Jordan's beef, but disliked bubble Watson. I'm beginning to feel intellectually inconsistent, which is pretty fair. That's like, it's always like Bumma says anything and people like, fuck this guy, what's his deal? I saw some of that dudes, like he'd bubbled in that, you'd have been all over and I was like,

you know what? I, I, I, what, yeah, that's actually that's a really good player. Yeah, speed is, it's not, like it's not great. I like what he winds about everything else, but I can't stand to see him and, him and Griller.

I know, it's a trouble and, you know, that's like the one, that's like mom and dad in this crazy ass world. And talking to some of the guys who were there like kind of following that group, they're like, you know, it's really weird being like in the vicinity and this is where one of the really unique things about golf is,

you know, it's so quiet out there all the time that when somebody does yell something, it's just like a vicious headshot, like everybody hears it. And so it's really quiet out there all the time that when somebody does yell something, it's just like a vicious headshot, like everybody hears it. And so it's really quiet after a shot. People are just kind of milling about and someone will just yell like, great read, griller!

You know, and you know that like everybody heard it, everybody's thinking about it, everybody's like, God, people think that we're fighting and now they're gonna analyze everything we do. Now it's a thing. And so yeah, apparently that was, that was really thick in the air out there, which is kind of fun. All right, so we're like an hour and 20 minutes in here.

I do wanna give a shout out to the guy on the Canadian tour, McKenzie tour, excuse me, he shot 59 today. I don't know, I don't know, I can't remember his name. Shhh, shhh, shhh. Shout out to him, shout out to everyone for fun. Yeah, let's shout out to everyone. Can I give a shout out?

Yeah, Charlie and Savannah. Nobody will understand what that means, except for Charlie and Savannah. Maybe one other person. All right, thanks everybody for tuning in this week. Major weeks are a lot of fun things for tuning into live shows. And everyone here, if we're staying up late on a Sunday night, now we're back to normal schedules.

So we're going to be upermid west this night now we're back to the normal normal schedules so we're gonna be upper Midwest this week we're gonna be in Minneapolis this week. I'm Tron Randy and I for Tron for a few days Randy and I all week for the KPMG women's PGA or annual stop at the LPGA so it's we have one more thing going on this week Tuesday at noon almost for God noon Eastern the debut of Tourist Saus Season 3, our road trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco. So tune in for that. Randy, I'll give you a quick sneak peak.

Randy gets absolutely baptized by his learned savior, George Gankus, in episode one. So Tuesday at, what did I say? Noon. Tuesday at noon Eastern. I think we used to do 11. We're gonna do noon, because it's our show we do whatever we want.

Tuesday at noon on the YouTube channel, youtube.com slash and then laying up. What time Tuesday? noon. Thanks for asking. Hi noon. Sure. Measure twice, cut one.

Crap on. Two. It's gonna be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. I'm so close.