No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 227: Rocket Mortgage Recap

Episode Date: July 1, 2019

We discuss a busy week in golf, including the Rocket Mortgage Classic, Nate Lashley, Doc Redman, Cam Champ, the European Tour, The Korn Ferry Tour, Steve Stricker's win at the U.S. Senior Open, S.H. Park's win on the LPGA Tour, the upcoming No Laying Up event, and a few voicemails.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Sully here joined to my left with by DJ Pie. Hello Sully. Across the table is Mr. Tron. Greetings across the aisle. Across the aisle and protesting this week. The protesting the PMI, what does PMI even mean classic is a big Randy,

he is not here, he stayed as far away from this event this past week as possible. Yeah, he's opted out, he's looking into, you know, whether anybody was hit with any big balloon payments this week up there in Detroit. You know, he's gonna be missed, but we'll try to sold around without him. I actually learn what PMI is this week.

I don't want to know. You don't is this week. I don't want to know. You don't want to know. I don't want to know. I think that's what they want. They want us to know what PMI is. Like they're asking questions. I didn't learn it from them. I was at like, accounting, tax guys.

I still think we should come up with our own. I don't know how we haven't come up with our own for what it should mean. Somebody responded to something on Twitter last week with something good. Yeah, I don't know. We're going to have to look into that. We're kind of on the spot. Nate Lashling has won the PMI challenge or whatever it's called.

Six shot win. Monday qualified and a six shot win. Well, Monday qualified and then got in as an alternate. Correct. It's double qualified. Double secret qualification. Double secret qualification. Is professional golf deep?

Yeah. The guy that barely got in the field won by six. Double secret qualification. Is professional golf deep? Yeah, the guy that barely got in the field, one by six? That's the whole point. I tweeted something about this earlier and I'm sure there are a million examples of, you know, of this inaction, but that's why when people bang on sponsor exemptions and when people bang on, you know, how guys get into the field and what the priority list looks like. And, I mean, that's why it, because literally any, like, most weeks and majors kind of separate themselves,

and certain golf courses separate themselves, but a lot of weeks like this, like literally anybody can win, it's crazy. And that's why it's cool to see someone like Nate Lashliving. That's what makes it such a cool story, I think. It pisses me off when people say, oh, like, why do you care about all this stuff? Like, because it matters.

It does matter. Well, to separate yourself from a field that was so bunched, unbelievably bunched, like more so than even week to week that you'd see on the PGA tour, even like the KFC tour, to win it by six is nuts. Absolutely nuts. There's a putting contest all week and he separated himself. Yeah, he was spectacular, man.

The stats weren't even that crazy though. It wasn't like he dot, it wasn't like an out of body putting experience or insane ball striking experience. He was just crazy well-rounded. No, he really, he really was. It was, you know, T29 Stroke's gained off the T, sixth Stroke's gained approach, 13th Stroke's gained around the T,

second Stroke's gained putting, and yeah, all that added up somehow to a six shot win. So I saw something that he almost birdied every hole. Yeah. I think he had one or one shot. Eight and 11 were the two that he needed today, I think. Yeah.

He bogeyed 11 and part eight today. But yeah, he would have, as Will Gray pointed out, he would have completed the No-Lang on birdie challenge in one week at a PJ tour of it, which is pretty odd. We should update on how ours is going here. There hasn't been a lot of progress in the beginning of the month. I don't think I've played out there in like a month and a half. I haven't touched a club in three weeks. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Greenville. I haven't touched a club. We haven't got, we've gotten through our time period that's been insanely busy and it's going to lighten up at least a little bit

on this back half of the year. I got a lot of work to do. I still have all of my eagles that I need to get. And for those that aren't familiar with what we're talking about, we have a challenge at our local muni that we all have to birdie every hole throughout the course of this year. It has to be during a nine or 18 hole round. And they're making me have to eagle the par-fives. And I haven't eagled any of them yet. So that's still pending. And I think I've got four other holes. I need a birdie left out there. Neal's got a lot of work to do.

Neal's got some work to do, although in very Icaredo fashion, Neal has, the only birdies he's got are one, two, and three. So very Icaredo. I think I still have 10 holes left. Looks like Randy's got maybe about 12 or 13 holes left. Trons, six. About six.

We're gonna get out there this summer and shoot an update and get a second video out. Yeah, somebody, there were a lot of comments on the Jack's Beach video. They're like, come on, do more of this, more updates. Oh my gosh, you really don't wanna see. That's hard to see. It's cool to see that maybe the first time,

but you don't wanna see a weekly update of Thursday. Normally we wanna. It's Skins game. Or do we wanna film it? Right. It's been at least like six straight rounds where I haven't checked off any new ones. Now, it is to the point now in the year

where you like, when you get to a whole young birdie debt you're thinking about. Totally. And that's been my biggest takeaway from the whole birdie challenge thing is, if I would have done this when I was a 12 year old kid, I mean, I wouldn't have made very many birdies and I would have come up woefully short,

but it would have made me so much more confident about making birdies rather than just shitting my pants whenever I have a seven footer for birdie and just trying to shake it in somehow. So if there is anybody with teenage kids listening, like make them do something like this, because I think they would be much better off for it. I could do one July, one to July, one, two.

Yeah, totally. Today is technically July, one. I don't know if they could do whatever that was. I could do one July one to July one too. Yeah, totally. Today is technically July one. I don't know if you could do it over that one. You could do a fiscal year birdie challenge. Yeah. Well, I mean, really, you need to do it. July one to June 30. We don't want to give them an extra day.

That's true. That's a great one. I did receive it up. It's a leap year next year too. So you may want to show it up. That's true, Scott me. I did receive an update from our friends of it, Anzli, up in Atlanta, where we got this from the guy who last year was out there

grinding in the rain on like the, it was like 40 degrees, course was flooded. He comes in, he's still had birdied 17, played it four times that same day. He actually closed it out. Hey, hey, less than halfway through the year.

That's huge. Yeah, I forget when we did that podcast, it was, That's the halfway through the year. That's huge. Yeah, I forget when we did that podcast. It was like one of our first of the year and we said we were gonna do it. And a friend of mine's brother, email me, he's like, Hey, great idea. Like a January 11th email.

Great idea. We started doing it. I just closed it actually so far. That's easy. I was holding it out of here. There's a lot of positives of having, you know, a big community of people that listen to this podcast, but they had just been constantly reminded it,

like how average you are golf. I think the hardest one of the positives. The hardest part about our local course is the wind. Yeah. Like the wind can be blown one direction for a week straight off the beach, and it makes certain holes straight into the wind, and the ones that you don't want downwind it makes certain holes straight into the wind and the ones that

you don't want downwind, it makes them straight downwind and it makes it... It's an easy one and a hard win and the hard win blows like 80% of the time out there. Listen guys, everyone's playing the same course. That's kind of, this is going to be a pro segue, but that's to take it back to the PMI classic for a second. I posted something about how Nate actually 63 yesterday. I haven't watched a ton of Saturday golf this year, but that was one of the most impressive rounds I've watched because it was so automatic. It was every

fairway and then he just hit it inside six feet. It was nuts. Someone was kind of chirping about, oh, this course is so easy. This is such a joke. Anybody could break par here. I'm like, yeah, dude, they're all playing the same place. And the guy's six shots clear of the field. So like, let's not reduce it to that. Like, was the course too easy for a PJ Tours setup?

Yeah, maybe. And we can certainly talk about that. You know what a reminder man? Fucking blow everybody's doors off. Yes. You know what, sorry to pick on what everybody's doors off. Yes, you know what? Sorry to pick on what you said there though. I'd hate like, they're all playing the same course as like being, because like if you,

if everybody goes out and plays Jack's Beach, like that's not a great test. And I don't mean to compare. Really, you guys were just rammed about very hyper local stuff. I was trying to get us back in the straight. Well, thank you for that. But I just hate that everyone's playing the same course

because like the idea is that the course should test different skills across You know and let a wide range of players in and you know benefit certain skills and whatnot And if you if the course is not testing really actually testing players I think that's an issue. I'm not necessarily saying that about Detroit golf club But I think that like it there is something to a course that follow what do you mean like yeah? So you're saying like oh everyone's got to play the same course. Like it's still as if like, I think it can neuter. It can kind of, I see.

Yeah, it can blend players all together. To sensitize. Yeah. So like it, you know, a course should be set up in a way to really challenge players in different ways. And the reverse arguments like during the US open, like when it's really hard, it's like, hey, they're all playing the same course. We want to get to the point where it's like, not even about talent and just about like luck in the draw and all that, I don't find that interesting.

So it's, and I will, but I will say, it's not going to watch the Open Champions. It's saying, I'm not going to go full-rehandy, but I will say it's, you threw me off. I don't know what I was going to say. We'd go ahead, John. I'll tell you what it reminded me of. Mexico.

That's what, yeah, I texted Toronto. I was like, man, you know what? I kind of actually like this golf course. And he's like, yeah, it's the American version of Chipultipack. Which is sweet. Which I think it's probably a little more, a little less overgrown and a little more run-of-the-mill than Chipultipack as far as professional golf courses go. But one thing that kind of pissed me off a little bit was, I don't know this golf course

very well at all. And there's some cool interesting stuff about it that we'll get to in a second. But one thing that just was not showcased at all this week was how bad ass the greens looked. It is not a cover thing. Don't give me that look. I didn't even have to say I was going to gonna say it. We can swing it straight forward. We can swing it into an agronomy take if you want.

Well, DJ could have received on the ground reports from spectators and gotten pictures. Exactly. Wow. Text exactly right. No, it's talking to many sources. Many people were telling me how cool the greens were out there. And you could see it on there.

Like you could see when, especially in Saturday, like actually was hitting some of these weird shelves and stuff, and I know a lot of that's because the greens were out there. And you could see it on there. Like you could see when, especially in Saturday, like actually was hitting some of these weird shelves and stuff, and I know a lot of that's because the greens were really soft, and that's where I think it's more of an economy take than it takes. It dumped a shitload of water. Yeah, and, but that's where you get a course like that.

Like they had, they were touting all these graphics about, you know, this is the flatest course on the PGA tour, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's like, yeah, when a course is that flat, like someone like Donald Ross is going to put challenge in there somewhere else. And that challenge comes in the greens. Flat is relative. Yeah, exactly.

Like the St. Andrews is flat, but it's like not flat at all. I guess flat from like the highest point to the lowest point is not big, but the Humps and Bumps are what defines the golf course. Exactly. And what sucks is when you have a course like that, like it should be such a cool, new, interesting example and a cool way to show exactly what you're talking about. And when it just gets water dumped on it like that, and maybe it rained a ton, maybe there was a reason for doing that. I don't really...

It didn't. Okay, no. I'm trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I try to do the same thing, and they'll blame it on bent greens. I think part of it was just it's the first year event. They want guys to come back. They want to make a shit with a birdies and make it accomplished. By all reports, it was a successful, like the crowds looked huge on TV.

They sold out Saturday and Sunday. People were pumped about it. It seems like, I forget who I think I was reading Will Gray's tweet or somebody's tweet is saying, like, it seems like definitely the fans there. Like, this is great, right? Like, we're doing good. How are we doing? Like, they're way into it How are we doing? Like how do it? It's like, they're way into it. And we've set up our time. Yeah.

We should be an event in Detroit. That's why I'm excited about next week in the Twin Cities as well. I don't know much about the golf course. Early reports are not great, but I think it's another one of those things like it kind of doesn't matter. You know, like those guys are getting, they're going to go support whatever. Just because they're kind of golf starved up there. And yeah, that's, that's the biggest positive of this week, I think, is like seeing an event like this, you know, I don't, I'm guessing the TV ratings were not spectacular today, but when you're on the ground and you're having

a good time and you're watching, you know, watching someone try to get their first win and stuff, like it doesn't really matter. So great spot in the calendar to be in the Midwest. Totally. This is the time of year that you should be there. There's times too. The TV ratings aren't everything, especially this time of year. It doesn't matter where you are. The TV ratings aren't going to be that good. So hiding your mortgage when it tax free is kind of the big thing. So you're quick and low. So you might as well go to a place where there's rabid local enthusiasm. I think they've done that. Now if we can just get a tournament in the Pacific Northwest and one in maybe Colorado,

that would be fantastic. Yeah. There's some interesting things about this golf course. I don't even give props to a former colleague of mine about BenEvera at PJTour.com who wrote, kind of a listical type thing. Just I didn't know anything about this golf course going in and he was was kind of assembled

a couple of facts here that I thought were pretty cool. Did Ben ever get a release from the Australian government to write something that wasn't strictly about Jason Day or Australian golf? Well, I'm only at the first couple of bullet points, so I'm sure maybe by number eight or nine, he weaved in Peter Thompson or something like that. at the first couple of bullet points. So I'm sure maybe by number eight or nine, he weaved in Peter Thompson or, you know, someone like that. Apparently the first 36-hole facility that Don Ross built, which I thought was interesting. His brother, Alik Ross, who apparently won a US Open,

which I did not know, he was the pro there. The other head pro is there, Horton Smith. Masters winner. The guy who won the Masters. And another major winner, Walter Burkema. Horton Smith, the guy who won the Masters, and another major winner, Walter Burkema? Burkema? Nothing like it was Walter's work. There's historians that are gonna be on me on that one.

Was this a composite course? Composite? I don't know. I don't know the answer. Between, like if it's a 36-hole complex? I'm not sure. Hey, listen, that's a good question. I don't know the answer, but we can,

we can certainly find out. They were supposed to have a rider cup there, but it got canceled for World War II. So then like basically just Google PJ Troor.com Detroit golf club, because it's a cool story. And I'm going to get all the details wrong, but instead of hosting a rider cup during the war, they had like Sam Sneed and Walter Hagen and all these guys come in and play this exhibition match. And they coaxed Bobby Jones out of retirement to complain this thing. And it got like very testy as far as like who was going to be on on which team. And it's just it's a pretty wild story. So I would like to play around. Like playground Dices stuff. Yes, exactly.

One thing I want to give a shout out to for CBS for Doddy Pepper. One thing she said on the broadcast today was just about the green expansion. The Bruce Hepner did. The Hepner is the Donna Ross fixer. He expanded a bunch of the greens. I guess on Thursday he said, I don't know what the percentage was of the pins, but almost all of the pins that they use on Thursday were all on reclaimed green space. That was good nugget.

That was great nugget. Like it shows that, you know, what they did to prepare for this event. And they brought, that was the best presentation that they gave of the golf course so far. I didn't watch the whole week until Sunday. How many lost rider cups were there? I don't know. That's a good question. They're supposed to be one of Pontavigia in and club, right? Yeah. Down the street. 39 I think. Right about to say if anyone wants to do a deep dive into Pontavigia's role in World War II, I would encourage you to do that as well. Thanks Hitler. The Nazi submarine that landed in the Pontavige of Beach.

The Sagittarius. Oh my gosh. We can take that off a lot. Anyway, let's maybe a trap drive. So we can dive into that. I'm Dan Carlin. That would call you core history. Let's circle all this back around regarding the crowd because I know Tron wants to get

some things off his chest regarding the drop that can put all this out. Where are you going to put this whole crowd? You got to give him a seat to sit in. I love the crowd, I think it's fun. I think I love to cry more the time. Listen, of course, replay the scenario for those that may have missed it. Cam Chan, first of all, it was the most

egregious misclub of all time. Set the scenes of people that haven't seen it. All right, I got a 14th hole in it. It was 250, 60 yards out in the middle of the fairway and after a lengthy conversation with this caddy ends up with I believe a three wood in his hand Correct Part five over water and Ends up hitting it over the green it bounces off the grandstands goes into an adjacent fairway and you's 75 yards

legitimately 75 yards over the great. It was awesome. It was so cool I think it was one of the highlights of of my year thus far just seeing the picture of... It was pure art. I love it. It was so hilarious. Yeah. And T.C. had a problem with the relief you got. Well, first of all, I had a problem with... He got so much coverage this week for somebody that finished T-46. Well, he shot 28. He was leading the golf tournament.

But then they kept showing him even after the wheels were falling off. Which sometimes fun. Anyway. He was also in the golf tournament. But then they kept showing him even after the wheels were falling off, which sometimes fun. Anyway, he got, I'll get them a pass on. The ball was still going up. The ball was still going up. That was a good, good record. That was not, still rising when it went over the flag.

Like to clarify, it was not. Like that was really, that was fun. There are eight of us. I mean, even to, like, because all these people said, it was not, that was really fun. That was a very fun, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, it's like turn a field when I was growing up, they had the Coca-Cola skydack or whatever. And if somebody had a home run up there, it was like right down the left field pole, somebody had a home run up there

and somebody caught it, you want a million dollars. But it was like, it was never gonna happen. I don't, yeah. Bring that around to the, that would be kind of sick, actually, if it had something like that. So it clears kind of sick, actually. Well, if bad, something like that, somebody clears his grades. So instead of making him like, he should have to play it back over the grandstand.

Instead, he gets a drop, 90 degrees to the left of the green, has a ton of green to work with. It's a super clunky chip, which I'm not judging. And then, you know, so a free relief, be great spot, see clunky chips still makes par. It was absurd. Is it the take that line of sight relief should just go away? Yes.

That was, you know, Randy's not really here to defend himself or to build on this take, but he was, we don't see the big guy really fired up very often. He was very adamant that Grandstands should just be You know in the field of play if you hit it next to a grandstand like you shouldn't hit it there. Don't hit it there. Exactly So there might be some problems I feel like in theory in theory. I love it This whole thing we're like if you look just fast forward like eight steps ahead in the discussion

Probably it ends with like well the fans shouldn't be on the golf course. No, all right. But I think there's a difference between Nestling up against the front edge of a grandstand next to a green or, you know, to the side of a green versus flying the grandstand and being 50. What if there was a committee, like imagine John Paramor just had, he had like in a gladiator thumbs up thumbs down, he could decide whether or not you get relief. It had like in Gladiator, thumbs up, thumbs down. He could decide whether or not you get relief. It was like the Formula One, you know what? You know what? He was in A to it there. He was in A to play that. He was in A to play that. If there wasn't, no, that one's good. You could take relief there.

If there wasn't water in front of that green, I would be more inclined to like, I think he was probably just caught between clubs and like probably didn't think he could clear it with iron, which he definitely could have. But so he took three wood and probably- He probably bombing gouge. It's disgusting. I don't disagree. Like, it's like the few, whatever, we when we play to Ronimic and the bleachers were up and like we're under in trouble in the 18th hole,

it's like, well, I'm definitely backing this off the grid stands. Like, this is tremendous. So I guess like the alternative to that is that they're just not grand stands. I don't think you can not give players line of sight relief over grand stands. That's like, first of all, like, it's

I imagine signing off like from an insurance standpoint. I'm like, oh yeah, the fans, you're fine there. We're gonna hit like just directly wherever you. Or just like make it OB. Like if you clear a grandstand, that should be OB. Now I'm listening. Okay. Like you're, you may have, you're gonna read you across the aisle.

You've hit it out of the stadium. That I'm, I'm listening to that. That's, that's a really good point. You know, I think that would you have to replay from the previous spot? I think that gets really difficult on marking what is OB and what's not and what not. But if it's closer, but if it's directly on the other side of a grandstand, just, you know, like I think you could probably do a pretty concrete, black and white. What do you think?

That's a better argument for he should have to play it over the grandstand. I think at Colonial, remember when you were at Colonial? When the Clark didn't. When the Clark didn't like where his nearest drop was, so he was like, screw it, I'm just gonna play over the grandstand and grandity, it was more of a flat top on top,

but I think he got it up and down, right? I don't think he quite got it up and down, but it was admirable, what the gap that he played through and did hit it over from the empty grandstand. It was from the first tee to the ninth green over the grandstand. That was a long time. Do you think, do you think there should be consistency in like everybody talks about using the rules here at Vantage? Do you think there should be consistency like if a rules and play, you should have to take that rule? So something like that with Wyndham Clark, where it's like, you know, you're entitled to relief, like you have to take that rule. So something like that with Wyndham Clark, where it's like, yo, you're entitled to relief,

like you have to take relief. I don't, no. Or your ball's in a grandstand, like you can either play it or not. And I guess actually that example, I'm like, oh, no, it's sick when they play it. Oh, that would be sweet. I actually do like that.

I don't know, that's not really an interesting question. I just don't know. Yeah, I just don't think they should have the, like the option relief, like you hit it there, dog. Like you either, either figure out how to get out of it or like go back and hit and re-hit your shot. You should become a rules official. That'd be sweet.

If there's any fledgling professional tours out there looking for a rules official, we would love to make a video about then Tron being a rules official for a day. In the US senior open, Darren Clark it's dinged from moving a fucking bird house. He's caddy. I mean, that, like, and then, but, but,

Cam champ can fly the green by 75 yards. Well, Cam champ didn't try to move the grain stand though. Well, as I was gonna say, like, I think it ends with if the, if the grain stands become OB, I think then players are like, okay, well, no more grain stands, and then it's like, how many less fans that would come sooner than like, that being OB.

Which shows how convoluted and messed up that players owning the tour and the way that things get done at the tour is. It's an entertainment product. And the grandstands are there for the entertainment of the other people all around it. But if it's an entertainment product, like them having to hit over the grandstands

is much more interesting. I don't disagree with that. Lean into it. Well, I think we're solving a lot of important issues here. I do want to talk about the Open Qualifying series here in a second here. A couple of things before we move on from the Rocket Mortgage. I want to show on Martin's tweets, Nate Lashley turned pro in 2005. He didn't earn a dime on an official tour from 2007 to 2014. He may just one start a piece in Canada and the corn fairy tour in that span.

I don't know if it was called the corn fairy tour during that span, but I thought that was really intriguing. And if in case you didn't watch the golf this week and don't know Nate Lashley's backstory, his parents were his parents and his girlfriend when he was playing in a match in college were on their way home from watching that match and were killed in a playing crash. I know that was mentioned several times and it's definitely a huge part of Nate's story, but didn't want to leave the rocket mortgage classic without mentioning both of those stories.

Yeah, it was kind of, I felt like at the US Open, this was a weird example of this because they're usually just kind of beating you over the head with these tidbits and information and stuff. But I felt like at the US Open, they kept alluding to, he's got a lot of trauma in his past. I was like, what the, what does that mean? And so it was kind of cool actually that we got this follow-up blowout performance. So they had some time to kind of shine light on his back story. And I thought CBS actually did a good job of talking about costus's kind of role. His son was a teammate of his at in college. And so it was kind of a cool moment. Like when he's after he finds a fairway in 18, like him and costus kind of little side hug is he's walk up the fairway. And I

thought they did a cool job shown his family. When someone's leading by six and you can flex all these other muscles, I mean, it is cool to actually let something like that develop and thoroughly kind of tell the story. So, tough draw, I thought that his girlfriend's was going to say. It was good, safe. I don't want to involve myself in their affairs,

but if they do get married and she wants to keep her own name, I think that's very understanding. Tough draw, Ashley Lashley's kind of tough, but listen, wish them continued blessings. Before we move on, can we give a shout out to Doc Redmond? Of course. You can hear that when we want. Alright, Doc Redmond, a lot of young guys play well.

That's what, I like tournaments like this because it shows, you know, A, it gives guys an opportunity to get in the field, young Hove, J.C. 64 today. Yeah. Which didn't get a whole lot of run early on in the broadcast. Pop a roach T3. Yeah, still T3 and still didn't move him inside the top 125. I don't know much about his career.

Seems like he's got some scars. That was that was you were too ready for that. That was it. No, I was like one of those women's world cup players, I just saw my window and had to strike really quickly. Walking Neiman, T5, to the Redmond point, he secured special temporary membership on the PGA tour. So hard to do.

So hard to do. You have to earn in seven or let basically when you're getting sponsors exemptions and you get maximum of seven sponsors exemptions, you have to earn the equivalent of the 125th place guy of the previous years FedEx cup points in seven starts. And he did it. But if you finish second place in one event, basically, you'll earn enough.

But this wasn't a sponsor's exemption either. He had Monday qualified. 62 to Monday qualified. It's for all, yeah. It's for all non-members. That's kind of how you would qualify for the tour through that through that path Which somehow which was not mentioned until he was standing over his putt on the last green when Would have been wonderful to set up that kind of drama leading down that hole But that's a different note and he's a he's got 62 to get into the event

Yeah, and you also got in the open. Yeah, so that's Rory Sabatini is like kind of Loki Balling out the season 41st in the unnamed season long point. Today's the yeah, the career. Yeah, Ted Potter Jr. up to for sure. Yeah, he was also T five Brian Stewart T five. There were a lot of a few true Sputra string. Golly Patrick Reed Patrick. Some signs are just formally noticed Patrick Reed.

I did think like like just truck of flake of flame. Shout out to Neal's Fred X cup team. Just looking down the leaderboard here, like Wyndham Clark, T17. JB Holmes played pretty well this week. A lot of guys that I felt like for a course that you wouldn't expect a whole lot of variety out of. There's all sorts of variety looking up and down this. Yeah.

This leaderboard. So what did you, what did you think of the course? Did you need to watch much of it? I did, yeah. I liked it. I just, I was just frustrated at how receptive and soft the greens were. Like, the whole point of the raw screens is like for them to be rolling out and be punishing slopes. If it's soft, it doesn't matter.

And I know whoever's listening to this at Tori HQ tomorrow, well, you know, Tron doesn't understand bent greens and like from an agronomy perspective, we got a dump water on these things to keep them alive in the middle of summer. Like the temperatures weren't in the, you know, high 90s in Detroit this week and you can, you can kind of plan for that when you have two years to know that you've got a, that tournament coming your way. So just, just firm them up a little bit next year, please. Close my eye, great. Too bad Randy's not here to defend the Super Zone. Okay.

All right, on the note, before we get to the European tour this week in the Open Qualifying Series, if it seems like Epic Flash is winning every single week, it might be because they are. Callaway staffer, Christianan, Bazedenhote, I had to spell that out in fact. That's pretty good. Bazedenhote used a full bag of Callaway staffer, Christian Bazedenhot. I had to spell that out in fact. That's pretty good. Bazedenhot used a full bag of Callaway gear to take home a six shot victory at the

Andalusia Masters, including Epic Flash Sub-Zero driver in Fairwaywood, X Forged Iarns. Sounds a lot like my bag. And the Odyssey works Big T number five putter. DJ, do you want to tell us about the stroke lab putter and what that means? Well, as I mentioned in the US Open broadcast, I thought Gary Woodland had a stroke lab putter or a stroke lab shaft in his driver for a split second. So I'm probably not great to speak on this. What you're a better putter than I am when I used to be kind of a little bit. Oh, no, I'm not. What's the big T? I don't know. You're the big sweet. You need

to, God, John changes his bag where like he's like, he's like a Danny Lee, I've got a Danny Lee level of tinkering. And it's now, as soon as he hears something like that, oh, big T-Putter, yeah, I think that's what I do. That's what I've been missing, I think. This is another driver win for Epic Flash in Calaway continuing to be the number one driver across the major worldwide tours.

Number one in worldwide driver wins. Odyssey passed 40 wins on the year, number one, Putter and Golf, number one, Putter across the major worldwide tours. Number one in worldwide driver wins. Odyssey passed 40 wins on the year number one Putter and Golf. Number one putter across the major worldwide tours. First putter to reach 40 worldwide wins in 2019 with Bazaid and Hoats. Win at Valderama and the success isn't large part to the innovative stroke lab shaft, helping to improve the tempo and consistency of the stroke. A lot of those numbers kind of blend together, but when you really think about it, it's so, so many. I know, obviously we get paid to read those numbers,

but when you, what, you guys are getting paid? They're, they're pretty jarring when you, when you really think about it. All right, TC, open qualifying series, what do you think? I'm, I'm like, I'm in on the fact that it exists, but it's current iteration seems so fucking convoluted. Let me take you through the current list of open qualifying series events, please, and how many spots are up for grabs.

We're talking about before he says this, I just want to point out that there's no bigger fan of national opens than Tron T-Royne Carter. Love national opens. Okay, continue. But I also love, national opens should be their own reward though exactly Well, I also love to bridge open presented by her majesty the Queen So we might have to come over the new name this year because it's not in Great Britain But we'll talk but they'll take that offline, but it's still in UK. It's not in Great Britain

So have you traveled before it's UK open. I think this year actually is what we UK open. I like that That's good. The UK Bridge Open covers us off. Let's do that. Yeah, okay. UK Bridge Open presented by our majesty, the queen. All majesty. And the Duchess of Belfast or whatever. In Roy.

In Roy. In the Roy Foundation. And Dubai Duty Free. So there's, all right. Pack on time, pack on time. That would have to be sick if it was sponsored by Dubai. You loved Dubai Duty Free. That's awesome.

They saved Irish women. They did. Which I'm so pumped for the Irish show. Oh, the hinge. It's going to be, that might be the best term in the entire year to watch. Do you want to be very excited for it, but it does not know when it is.

I think it is. It's got to be, right? Yeah, and then it's got to shine. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God, our week just got that much better guy? Yeah And it's the fourth of July Yeah, I was open this week

Sweet hell yeah playing as part 70 sound like some people are Triggered already about all the shortening up some of those It's gonna be the bot heart nation On on between four of between the Klondike and the Dell, it is going to be spectacular. But anyway, back to the open qualifying series. There's 46 spots up for grabs. It starts, as you would imagine, in November in Australia. The Australian Open, which we love the Australian Open, we're big proponents of it.

I'm going to be the Stephen A. to skip. You know it. Listen, you know, I'm a big fan of national opens, you know, tease and peace up for Stephen A. Yeah. After the next thing, free agency. I just saw the six who signed a whorfer to woech bomb. How about that? Anyway, back on topic. So you got three spots up for grabs in Australia. You got three up for grabs in South Africa in December, which makes total sense. You got four. That's the Joe Berg open, everybody's that. Not just the South African open.

You got four up for grabs in the Singapore open, which gives a sponsor exemption to drew love every year. Is that the one in Sergio one? It's one speed play a couple of years ago, because it was, it was, it was one thing operated by a logger deer. So, so one that maybe ruins speed career, as you've kind of like to elude to. So four spots for that one.

I don't know why they give three to Australia, three to South Africa, four to Singapore, three for API in March, four for the Mizuno Open in late May. Again, I'm a big Japan tour fan. I don't even know what the Mizuno Open is. Three for the Canadian Open, which again, that makes sense, national open, part of the Commonwealth. Get it. Two for the Korea Open. And then, well, they should be given to the Indian Open then. Exactly. Well, that's... Julian, sorry, you should the import to the Indian open then. Exactly. Well, that's joy and sorry.

Should have gone from the Indian open. Dej, that's a great point. All right, we take that off. And then yeah, I get it when it starts here, like the Andalusia Masters gets three spots, the rocket mortgage classical needs to, there's 12 spots up for grabs at final qualifying on July 2nd over at the Fairmont, St. Andrews.

And then there's three spots open for Irish Open, three spots open for Scottish Open, and only one for John Deere. My whole thing is why don't you just do like a six tournament kind of money list on the PGA tour, doing on the Euro tour, and figure out a way to reward some guys on the Eurasia tour, whatever,

and figure out how to kind of weave that in. But for the most part, it's like, this seems so convoluted and roundabout and random. See, to me, it feels way more concrete than like a qualify, like the US open. Basically, it comes down to a day of golf for a lot of spots, which is cool in its own right, but like so much golf in that meat of that calendar

is played in the US where there's just not a lot of golf played like in the UK during any really part of the schedule except for like that one month in July. So instead of like having these random qualifiers over the spot, you have these professional termites which are insane. Like compared to qualifiers, like really elite fields, and it's a four round tournament. Like this is like, it kind of seems kind of fluke.

You're like, oh god, you finished T2. You got them in the open? Oh my god, that's crazy. But it's way less fluke in my mind than like a one day, going out for 36 holes and shooting blah, blah, blah. So you got to get into these fields as one thing, which is challenging. And then to actually do really well in them and knowing that carrot is there kind of in some of these events, I'm sure it helps with some of the fields in some of these events, at least in some kind of twisted way. And also like if you're hot and you're playing really well and you know this is up for grabs,

I think it's a totally valid way to give out spots. I just think like Singapore open. It's seven months apart from the British open and it's the Singapore open. It's part of the Commonwealth, isn't it? No, it's like a independent city state, right? It's one point part of the Commonwealth. I thought that could be rough. Well, yeah, I will be going there. That's a point. The sun never said on the Commonwealth technically. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe somewhere in the middle. I see where you're coming from, Salih, on the fact that it, that's a fair point. Yeah, the fact that it's, I don't know that it

necessarily helps with the fields, because I think anybody who's would help a field is already in the open, based on world ranking. But I do agree. I mean, I do agree that I think like a mini-money list, and I almost, I feel like maybe they used to do this. I'd have to check my notes, but. It just didn't always feel this convoluted, right?

This is, I mean, it's obviously a fairly new thing. It's only been going on for the last couple of years, but I feel like they used to do a mini-money list type of thing, or maybe I'm thinking of another tournament, but you know, a lot of it just doesn't pass like, it's just, it's stupid, but it's just like an eye test, like West Roach playing on a pop-a-roach, playing on a golf course that like, you know,

didn't really look like it had much teeth in Detroit. It's like, yeah, yeah, now you go play Royal Port Rush and you're in the open championship. It's like, that fucking stinks. But like, no offense. So like, you don't say that about the US Open, like if somebody's like, oh and you're in the open championship. It's like that fucking stinks. But like no offense. So like you don't say that about the US Open, like if somebody's like, oh, you're way in the sports area. And I know it's like, I don't have a great indicator.

Like I agree, it's a better, you four rounds of PJ Torgoth is a much better, higher level of competition. But I just, it feels like that should be like about the PJ Torgoth event. How do they do, you know what I mean? Like the PJ Torgator board should be the PJ Torgator board. And when you do, you know what I mean? Like the PJ tour leaderboard should be the PJ tour leaderboard. And when you go, like, US Open sectional qualifying,

you wake up and you're thinking about nothing but, yeah, US Open qualifying. Like, like, it only goes top 50 in the world, which seems kind of light. For the automatically exempts. Yeah, and I do kind of agree, like if you want to do an open qualifying thing and you want to make it one spot at each of those events and you want to make it

15 spots that are up for grabs and like cool, let the top 75 in the world in you know, I like it because there's like at least one like more drama in today At least somewhat drama like I don't really actually care if pop approach goes to the Capricorn show but like at least like there's more it was the actual pop or more to play for like there's more things going on I do think it makes it somewhat more intriguing comes end of Sunday evening. I always appreciate how many randos are hard. Yeah, the GMAC was cool.

Right. Like when Shiv Kukur went nuts. Yeah. Like every year there's something like that. So I totally get that. And so I guess it is kind of at odds as well with what we said up front where it's like there's so many good players and, you know,

any given week. Bob Bob Bob. It seems really arbitrary, but it seems a little arbitrary. I'm sure they have a way that they came up with this. I don't know. I couldn't tell you why. Like seven months in advance, guys earned spots into the open whatnot, but I imagine it's, it appears, at least from the way they do it, is it's very worldwide.

It's like not concentrated on like all most people are in the US, so we're giving them most spots in the US. That's not the case. So there are some crazy amount of spots proportionally that go to Asian players then go to US players. But even like the counterpoint to that with the Singapore Open would be,

all right, there are some American guys and some guys that come over and play in that. Why would you do all your spots for that event? Why wouldn't you split it between two events? You know, I just, I feel like you're diluting it for your own members, basically then. Oh, we're way, we're way down the wormhole right here.

I just wanted to vent on that. I think it's a hard thing to, it's a hard thing to message to people as well, maybe. I mean, I know it's easy once all the puts have dropped to say like this person got in the open, but it's a hard thing I think maybe for the casual fan to wrap their head around, how the system works and how many, you know, tournaments are getting different numbers of spots and all that stuff.

And I don't know, I just think it kind of blends together a little bit, and I know this sounds stupid, but it kind of blends together when you're watching a PJ Tertelicast and they're throwing all this like open qualifying series. You kind of just let it like wash over you with the Aeon Risk Award challenge and the Windom Rewards and the FedEx cup and the must see moments and the problem. Well, the problem is, I'm just like, dude, I, okay. They promote that stuff more than the open and even something. Absolutely.

No, no, they didn't skip the, they didn't even put the open emblem up or anything like that because CBS doesn't carry the open. Like if it was NBC covering today, they would, I mean, they would be promoting the product which is they're going to cover the UK British Open presented by a magazine roaring the Dubai duty free foundation. That was a very interesting way that Amanda phrased that question to, to lashley, which was like, oh my gosh, you just got into the masters. You just got into the players championship. It's like, yeah, well, you just got into the open in like three weeks as well. Like that's for that's pretty wild. It's like, hey, you got a new girlfriend.

It's like, not what you're going to get her for like Christmas coming up. So what are you going to get her like, you know, for Valentine's day next year? Exactly. So going back to the national opens thing, like, why, like, it's in a good way to do this. All right, you won them because they, they do give spots to the winner of the, Argentinian open, the Japan open. And those are really the only, and then the BNW Championship, or if I had to be in the BNW PGH Championship in the players, and then the senior Open.

Those are kind of the ones plus the majors. But if you did, all right, cool. Like, I realized that the Canadian Open, South African Open, they're all showing Open, they're doing it with a couple of them, but do it with more of the national Open. Well, you know, I was thinking, even like the Colombian tournament on the web tour, you know what'd be cool? You know what'd be cool? Well, that's what I was gonna say is,

even just limited it to just winners. And like when somebody wins the heritage, everybody knows like, oh shit, that guy just got in the masters, like that's awesome. And even if you just limited it to all winners of national opens, if they're not already exempt, like get into the open. Like they're on the, whoa, that's awesome. And even if you just limited it to all winners of national opens, if they're not already exempt, like get into the open. Like, you're on the,

whoa, that's sick, okay. You're on the narco store and you're playing the Panama Open. Yeah. And you win and you just got into the freaking, that's sweet. People don't like what you call it, the narco store. Taco, twerlar, what else for man?

That's what all the players call it. I love it. It makes me laugh so hard. That's a deep cut. We haven't talked about the Dark Coast tour in a while. Before we get on the silence, the corn fairy tour. TC, I believe you have some updates you want to give us here. Oh, yeah.

So if you tuned in at all this weekend, you saw our hitter, Justin Lauer. You ain't even saw Charlie Sachs in two. They played exceptionally well. Justin didn't have quite as good of a Sunday, but still putting together great season, poking around top 25, or as we're calling it, the bucket. Nearly in the bucket. But Justin's wearing a Holderness and Born, no laying up a peril out there.

Which is still sick to see on TV. It's crazy when it comes up on TV. It's like, is this seriously happening? Like, it does not get old. It does not. And he's been raven to us about how comfortable it is. We started partnering with H&B three years ago when they were kind of, I don't know,

I'd never really even heard of them. And then I bought one of their shirts up in Boston and was blown away, contacted immediately. They're pretty much the only company we've ever worked with on our premium. This is how it goes. Just to let you guys know, Tron handles all this stuff.

He gets a bunch of like, hold on to samples and he'll be like, all right, he saw your larger, take this. Like, oh, okay, this is my favorite one we've ever done. Like three months later, we got the next, like, seasons line. And like, okay, well, this is the best one they've ever done now. And then three months later, it's the same thing over and over again. They just keep improving, keep improving. It's the best quality material.

You know, everyone always labels Neil as the merch star, which certainly is, but it almost feels like a bit of a house of cards. Situation to me where Neil is kind of the Kevin Spacey and Tron is a, like, you know the underling, the guy who's the bald guy? Yeah, the guy who's knocking people off when they need to be kept quiet. Like, the guy that's a fixer, the guy that's like really handling all the shit. I'm kind of the shadow master. That's Tron, Tron's sourcing stuff, he's making deals.

Neals like the, the, Neals structure customer service guy, I'm kind of the sourcing guy. Exactly. Um, but yeah, we got Maddie into the, into the quilted, like Tronnie Versace. sourcing guy. Exactly. But yeah, we got Maddie into the into the quilted sweaters. Johnny Versace. We got Maddie into the sweaters for Pebble. Yes, for a couple of those. We got another couple of caddies that saw those at Pebble and they said, shit, send me some of those for Port Rush. So we'll have a couple more guys wearing those. So go in the shop, check

it out. It's stuff that you can wear off the course or on the course. I think that's what we definitely like about it most. So go in our shop, check it out. It's stuff that you can wear off the course or on the course. I think that's what we'd definitely like about it most. So go in our shop, check it out. Go into your local pro shop wherever you play golf, member, public, whatever. Talk to the pro, figure out if they have it in the shop by it. If they don't ask them why not. Speaking of the corn fairy tour, Charlie Saxon finished T3, one shot out of a playoff.

We were, yeah was, I was, Yeah, the kill house was kind of loud for, you know, June 30th, whatever, you know, I thought about firing up a periscope as he played the last hold on, I was like, nobody cares about this. We do right now.

Yeah, shout out to Charlie, man, that was an awesome, awesome week to watch. Kind of wow, he was one shot away from what would have been our young hitters second playoff this year on the, on the corn fairy tour. So big week for him. I know things haven't been going exactly how he wanted earlier this season,

but you know, it should be a massive step in the red direction. He's got his ticket to top 75, I think, at this point. Yeah. Really for the most part. So should get in the finals. He's got much guarantee for the finals, which is big. And that looks up his card for next year, too.

And John, you said some things on Twitter about the KFC tour and the AK, the Corn Ferry tour and the new name and whatnot. But, like, clarify what you said on Twitter, it was actually really insightful. I didn't mean to say actually really nice. As far as the new name, just like if the name is done, but like listen, they're going to put some support behind this tour. Yeah, it's also like, all right, cool. Like there's jokes there and everything.

And they will be lots of just, they will be big. We're gonna make them and that's fine. But like, they're, I don't know, this is going back to what we were saying earlier on the podcast with like the margins are so thin and golf is so deep. And this stuff matters. Like, it's really cool to see a company kind of come along and this is not sponsored by the way or anything.

Um, it's really cool to see a company come along and actually put their money where their mouth is and invest in the product and feel like their business kind of matches up with what the tour is all about. It sounds corny and business KC. Oh, I see what you do. I hate you and try to. But as far as, we identify talent

and we're like a HR consulting firm and all that, but on some level, that's kind of what this is for the PGA tour. So I think if they pour resources into it, like they say they're going to and kind of keep improving things and keep building out the schedule, they've made so many strides the last couple of years with it, I'm excited. I think the new TV contract in the next couple of years with it. I'm excited. I think it's, you know, I think the new TV contract in the next couple of years too, that they're working towards should, should help things out too, because it's, I mean, it sucks. Like, this is the first week. It's

been televised since Greenville wasn't televised for a few weeks before that. You know, and like, we got cut out of the viewing window during Greenville tough, tough break. You know, but it's like Portland, Boise, Columbus, some of these tournaments down the stretch, coming up over the next six, eight, 10 weeks or so. Portland tournaments, especially. If you've never watched that, that event, the last event of the regular season where guys are throwing up all over themselves, coming down the stretch, trying to- Like Kevin Doherty last year.

Exactly. Yeah, trying to get inside the bucket, inside the 25. I mean, it's like is if you're a golf nut, which if you're listening to this podcast You probably are I mean put that on your calendar. It's like as good as it gets to I think I'm gonna fly out there for it Like I've enjoyed watching it that much last two years. It's awesome. I haven't forgotten about the $150 cameo budget that I have Well, that's true to taught you to taught you for getting and finishing runner up to me at and at BMW. I think we should start a, you know, not sponsored, but maybe a weekly freak on a leash segment, just to highlight.

So what are the cord fairy tour? I think would be I love that. We'll be nice. Maybe starting next week, we'll say Steve Stryker won the US senior open by six. He's played two of the three majors this year. He won them both by six. I think that's the real reason that Randy didn't,

like, I know he's in Ohio and everything, but we haven't heard from, he's been apoplectic about the scoring at odds with the USGLA. Up at those 16 under. It's like 19 under. Yeah, Randy took it easy on the weekend to knowing how Randy was getting picked up. I don't know, Randy can't sleep on that.

I feel like Stricker was primed to be like the guy, I feel like every year, you know, when a guy turns 49, it's like, like, it's gonna fuck all over. When he gets to 50 and he goes the champion's tour, he is gonna dominate it and burn out longer, kicks everyone else's ass. And Stricker's actually stepping up

and kicking everyone's ass. I feel like Jerry Kelly was kind of supposed to be that guy and he hasn't just, just because eight or like, or B, Scott McCarran is killing people too. Like he's like it's like a one two punch with him. It's kind of like the anchor. Anchor Dan. Like it's in the anchor position at the top of that leaderboard was where I was going.

Yeah, I don't have it. We didn't watch the time of it this weekend. If this honestly, as much as like I don't have a problem with Lo's scoring, like if it was tougher, like I probably feel like I would have tuned in, but it was just it was, which sucks too, because like I feel like I should have watched it, because it was a core cranchon. I felt like I probably, and I love, I feel like the seniors, they could play more, actually seniors and corn fairy. They should play more university courses. Can we give a shout out to Tommy Armor for starting the day in fifth position, shooting 41. It was like the third time Niels ever tweeted about

like being excited to watch golf. They're like, oh man, can't wait to watch T-8-3. Like here's him at the play like a champion today's side. Then he goes out and shoots 41 and other front WDs. We don't know why he was with this. Yeah, I don't know if he was hurt or what was going on, but tough scene for Niel. Gankus was all pumped up about him being the next he might had too much speed Yeah, I could have been the issue on the LPGA tour sung on park one's one by one with a birdie on 18 would have been a

Four-way playoff with her Daniel Kang H. J. Kim who's Randy's girl and MB Park which would have been an Absolutely sick playoff Parks and absolute killer though, it was a very easy birdie on 18, and she won a Daniel Kang birdie, played her last five holes in 500 to tie the lead, and almost make the playoff. She finished tie for second.

I think she was probably the most, maybe top two, most like impressive players at KPMG that I followed. I don't even think she played that well, but just seeing her part. Park, park. Just seeing how she had her irons. It's insane. She, like, I say it says, like definitely as a compliment.

Like her swing is like more like male tour players than it is like female tour players. Yeah. Like it's really, really, really impressive. Like total commitment. It's not like crazy speed, but it's like it is just a very vertical and like a textbook golf swing and really fun to watch. We breeze by it talking about the European tour in the qualifying series earlier, but DJ has a little bit of info and intel on the the winner on the.

Yeah, that was wild. I'm done saying it. You have to say it now. Christian Bizzadenhott. There you go. I believe. Christian. I believe it's Christian A's in there. You're right.

Christian Bizzadenhott. Yeah, fascinating story. Kid out of South Africa. I believe he's 24. And South Africa. Ryan Lavner, golf channel wrote a great story, kind of recapping thing. So again, I would like earlier in the show,

I'd recommend everybody search that out because it's pretty wild. But his back story, so you had this kid when he was two years old, basically as Lavner describes it, he grabbed a Coke bottle and tried to take a big swig out of it. Turns out it was filled with rat poison, not a story that you hear every day. So he was rushed to the hospital, had to have a stomach pumped, had to get basically kind of like, they had to save his life at the hospital, which obviously he was okay,

because you saw that he won today, but apparently, he ruined the surprise. He ruined the surprise. He lived and went on to become a European tour winner. But while the poison was in his body, kind of ravaged his nervous system. So it left him with like kind of this,

this really pretty debilitating stutter and a lot of anxiety and stuff like that. And so because of the stutter, and this is, I'm going incredibly quickly through the story. So again, go read the whole thing. But because of the stutter, he kind of bullied really badly. He ended up deep, you know, kind of slipping

into this pretty dark, deep depression. He got, because of his anxieties and stuff, he got prescribed these beta blockers when he was kind of a teenager that let him just kind of function like a regular person. You can probably see where that's going with professional golf. Eventually, he got drug tested and got suspended because of testing positive for these beta blockers are supposed to be a two-year suspension and got whittled down to like nine months. And anyways, just this really wild story. And so seeing him come back through all of that stuff, going out winning it felt a

rom in today and beating people like Sergio and John Rom and all these big names out there is just, again, not a big name wins every week. And so I think when someone who you've probably never heard of does win, I think all you kind of hope for is like, hopefully there's a cool story or a cool way to connect with someone or be inspired by someone or whatever. And I mean, that story, especially in its post-round interview, I mean, he still struggles with stuttering and things like that, but to kind of be brave enough to go do a post-round interview in English and really fight through it.

It's pretty powerful to watch something like that. So, yeah, I wanted to share as much as we could. We didn't talk, we didn't do any reporting on it or anything, but I wanted to share as much as we could on that because I thought that was a pretty cool story. I hadn't read Lavner's article. I read Huggins articles this morning, which, shout out, I know he's a big friend of the lot. Yeah, a friend of the lot.

Huge fan of ours. But yeah, and it was cool to see the guys on the Euro tour, it seemed like there was an outpouring of support and enthusiasm for him winning. It's not dissimilar to a player, a foreign player that doesn't speak English as the first language standing up and trying to do an interview in English. Yeah, no totally. That interview that we were that you were playing earlier was kind of like knowing that backstory makes it that much more.

I don't want to say interesting. It kind of feels, you know, exploitive to say interesting, but seeing somebody like struggle with that for obviously his whole life and face a microphone in a camera and still address people people as it takes some serious balls. For sure. It kind of reminded me a little bit, I mean, on a different scale or different, whatever, but of when Stephen Bodich won a couple years ago and just knowing a lot of the stuff that he had gone through

with similar kinds of depression and suicidal tendencies and stuff like that. And just got seen people kick that stuff and get all the way back to, like, you know, fucking hard it is to win on the European tour, win on the PJ tour, like, to get all the way back and do something like that, I mean, it's just, that's like as impressive as it possibly gets. Two things. That was a very tough course to win on too.

Vavarama, it's like overgrown and just the hardest shit to begin with. And then B, this one kind of hit home for me on a personal level. I struggled with the stutter when I was little, still do it from time to time. If you asked me 15 years ago, if I would be a podcast on camera all the time, like I used to shit my pants when I had to speak in front of the class. Or, and I can't tell you how like a masculine and just frustrating and terrifying it is to, like, I was reading at a, I don't know, probably a junior in high school level when I was in fifth or sixth grade

and sounded like I could barely read when I had to read in front of the class. So, to see a guy like that, like to see that, that's really, really cool. I knew Roberto Diaz on the PGA tour and Corn Fairy tour. He also was kind of dealt with that his whole life. Tiger Woods as well. Tiger, when he was growing up, dealt with a stutter.

And I've heard some really cool stories about people who have kind of reached out to him about that and some cool letters that he's written on that front. So yeah, it's just kind of hit home for me. And again, it's weird. Like it doesn't, sometimes it'll come on you and it'll like, I kind of got to plan out what I'm going to say. And sometimes I do stutter or stammer, but it's also a matter of just like a comfort level too when you're comfortable doing something.

You know, it just doesn't, it doesn't really come out. It's got to be, I'm glad you said that. I imagined for anyone that doesn't have the issue, you can't understand it. Like it's, you just can't, like't have the issue, you can't understand it. Like, you can't, like, you don't understand what it is like. You have never gone through it. It's almost like, I think about this too with drug addictions and alcoholism and things that I've never experienced.

Like, how can I know what that's like? So when you, like, I just go back to, I remember when I asked David Ferredy a question about, when he was on the podcast about, you know, his drug issue and alcohol issues in the past and I kind of referred to it as like, I just go back to, I remember when I asked David Ferredy a question about, when he was on the podcast about, you know, his drug issue and alcohol issues in the past and I kind of referred to it as like, you know, but that's in the past. And he said like, that's not how it works, man.

Like it's always there. And I just remember like losing sleep for like two nights over that. Like what an idiot you are, like think that you understood how that works. So not to give a big meaningful life lesson in the video. But I think it's kind of like... Well, one of the coolest things about just sports in general,

and like I was thinking about this the other day, is one of the biggest losses that we have in kind of media, and I think that's why Pat ourselves on the back, slightly I guess, for having a podcast, but mostly Salis done all the interviews and stuff, but giving people a platform to actually tell stories like that is so important because when you have this sanitized whitewashed state media, you fucking lose a lot of those stories, man.

That's the point is trying to connect with people on a level like that. The more that, the better. That's one of the stuff that keeps you tuning in, right? connect with people on a level like that. And yeah, I mean, the more it, God, the more of that, the better. And that's one of the stuff that keeps you tuning in, right? Like, when you let somebody tell their own story versus telling somebody's story for them, I think that's a big disconnect between those two things. Yeah, and then also just go back to your point, Sally.

Like, it doesn't really ever go away. I think for the, I took speech therapy when I was little, but I don't think it was anything that was, you know, that was probably a part of it, but it was more just growing out of it and learning how to cope and learning how to, like, little different coping mechanisms. But it's also, it's weird because it's like, it's not really mental. It's not really physical.

It's in this weird ether between the two. Well, credit for how wrong it seems to me like. It's like chipping you. Maybe they come from the same place. It's almost like... I imagine it would be the harder you're trying to fix it, the harder it is. The more conscientious you are of it, it's like... So, don't think about elections. Yeah, but you think about breathing or you think about slowing down

or you think about, you know, planning your words out ahead of time and then you get there. But when you're... It's like once you're thinking about it, planning your words out ahead of time and then you get there. But when you're, it's like once you're thinking about it, it's already too late, kind of thing. So, well, on a brighter note, why don't you tell us about, hopefully you guys are,

if you're listening to this currently, you're part of the brigade that downloads in the first 12 hours or so, because we've got some important information that is gonna expire by noon Easter, known Monday on the first, but tell us about it. For real, I think we've got an over-under going

on how long it's going to take to sell out. We've got, a lot of people have that same over-under for us sitting here as well. We've got 100 spots for the summit. The NLU Summit out at Common Ground Golf Club, Colorado Golf Association, and knowing up knowing it's our first event. We decided instead of- We're diversifying.

Yeah, a little bit. Instead of doing more or less a cash grab, we figured, hey, let's find our way with these events, experiment a little bit, work with obviously an organization that knows exactly what they're doing with the Colorado Golf Association. Do it in a really cool course out in Denver that's easy for people to get to on a national basis, get the community together too.

So it'll be August 23rd, if you haven't seen anything on social or anything yet. August 22nd and 23rd, 22nd will just be a big party. We're going to have a band there. We're going to do a live podcast with guest TBD, but we've got some really, really cool stuff of parsley, his spelling, guest. Some contests, all sorts of stuff on Thursday night, and then Friday night will be better ball.

I was corrected earlier. A two-man best ball is a better ball. Oh, I see. I suppose that makes sense. So, somebody came in really hot on that one. I'm not really worth getting fired up with that ball. I guess I do. I'm glad we're organizing this for the people.

Thank you. And then the afternoon round will be a Scotch ForSums, which, which is the best. Probably not the right name for that either, but, green sums, I believe, and a lot of places. Which basically both guys, orgals, hit their t-shots,

and then you pick the better one from there, and then play all-shot in from there. So it'll be a two-person partner competition, 36 holes. You can either sign up with a partner, or we'll parry up. But yeah, basically just trying to get this thing from the internet and social and podcast to meeting people in real life

and really, I think that's the most rewarding part of what we do. And trying to bring that a little bit more to you all. As well. I think the weirdest part about what we do is that, you know, all of us have played a lot of rounds with people that we've met on the internet, you know, and just, hey, do you want to come out to this course?

Like, yeah, sure, I'll meet you there. Kind of thing. And what's so weird is, and maybe it's golf is like the unifying threat. We're getting kind of heavy on this podcast. Maybe I think it's this angry orchard hard side of it. We're all looking for a beverage before the podcast. And we had a raid, Sully's fridge.

But our house dad, Randy's not here. All that was there was one natural light in there. It's probably been there for about 12 months. One spiked seltzer and one angry orchard, Rosé. Disclaimer none of those were purchased for yet. No, for yet. But yeah. No, maybe golf is kind of unifying threat

or something or everybody's kind of speaking the same language. But of all the people that we've met, all the people that have come up and said hi to us in an event, all the people that we've run into at golf courses, all the people we've run into at gas stations, like, shit, DJ, we met you on the internet. Yeah, thank you. You're on Twitter and now like we all live here because there's literally all of them have been positive experiences. And it's so weird to say that. And I'm being so completely genuine in saying that it's it's not how Cool it is to just meet people who all kind of speak the same language and just go have like a really good time So if you have any

Availability and any interest in going to this event like It's gonna be really really really fun and you're gonna have a good time and you'll be very welcome and everybody will love to see you there So people are hesitant to sign up on your own, just do it. Like, don't even think about it. Like, it's, you're going to meet a shitload of people and I mean, I keep, like, you know, we kind of, the only thing similar that we've kind of partake in so far is Zach Blare's the ringer and like, we keep in touch probably with more people, different people that we met at that these days than we do, like, necessarily.

Like, it's not just a meet-up. Like, you're going to meet a ton of people and you're going to stay in contact and you're going to find common like necessarily. Like it's not just a meet-up, it's like you're gonna meet a ton of people and you're gonna stay in contact and you're gonna find common friends you have and it's gonna be a blast. Yeah, the reason, I mean, most excited I was up in Minnesota last week was going out with Guy Whitehead at the ringer for drinks and everything.

But last two things, sign up is at noon tomorrow, Monday, noon Easter and so 10 mountain time, nine Pacific. So, but I promise you, it's going to sell out quick or at least we're hoping so. And then it'll be a snakes on a plane situation. Where everybody was talking about it and they thought the box office was going to be huge, turning to a big flop. I didn't know that.

It was another perfect club. It was you. You know, snakes on. It was another perfect club to see. You know, snakes on a plane was critically acclaimed. By some critics. I think just acclaimed. And then B, I forgot to mention as well. This is kind of the reason we're doing it. The Colorado Golf Association has a really, really cool

caddy program that we figured, hey, this is a great cause. The Soluch caddy leadership academy. It's kind of a feeder program for the Evan Scholars and basically getting the Evan Scholars program to look a little bit more like society at large and not just a bunch of middle class white guys. Basically, so I think they're succeeding in a big way with that.

And it's something that we want to showcase to A, bring here to our community here in Jacksonville as well as showcase to other people coming in from around the country and raise some money in the process. Awesome. Can't wait. We had a couple of voicemails. We didn't get a ton of calls. I think people are people who will check out a golf this summer or maybe checked out of us, but we did a couple of voicemails and we'll get to those and call it. This is Tony Colling from Collin Allen, Illinois. This is a question for Randy. If the use of a Bob Dylan song, in a rocket mortgage commercial,

would be worst use of that song? There couldn't be anything that's less capitalism and mortgage based than Bob Dylan. Look forward to hearing what you have to say. Thanks. Do you want to answer this in honor of Randy? Who's next? Yeah.

Scotch, Tony, tough luck with Randy not being here. So you're stuck with the rest of us. But, Deja, I think you're probably better qualified to answer this one. Sure. Yeah, I can weigh in. You know, Bob Dylan is kind of, nobody loves Bob Dylan more than me.

He's kind of dipping his toe into the late stage capitalism pool as of recently. I mean, we've seen him in a lot more commercials. We've seen him kind of appearing in commercials, which is very weird. I think it was in like, forget what it was. It was like an Apple commercial or something a few years ago. Listen, I definitely get what you're saying. I don't think that the, you know, the Bob Dylan of the Newport folk festival, I don't think he's necessarily signing up to do rocket mortgage ads, but, you know, I don't know who knows. Maybe Jacob

Dylan and the wall flowers are, maybe they're pilfering some of his inheritance and he needs to, needs to ref-plunge the coffers. Either way, it's not great. It made me, it kind of devalued the Big Lebowski. Obviously, it's the opening credits song for the Big Lebowski. So, yeah, it's just a tough scene all the way around. So, Tony, I feel for you. It's not a great look, but all around the board. I think we got one final one, right? Yeah, which, as an aside, I never realized it until...

I can't remember what was the big deal on it, but the U2 iPhone thing where they automatically downloaded that album. That oh my god. That pissed people off more than anything. It did lead like one of the best tweets ever, which was like, do I need to buy you two concert tickets? Are they going to show up at my house? which was, it's like, do I need to buy you two concert tickets? Are they gonna show up at my house? I can't remember what, like, what got us on that topic or what. I was talking to somebody about it. So you just found out that that existed? No, no, but just how big of a deal that was.

Oh, how big of a fiasco was it? Yeah, how piss people were. It was, it was bad. I think a lot of it was because, like, I don't think it was like, I forget which album it was. If it was... I've been so stressed was. If it was, I've been so much out of this man. How did this man tell you?

I'm a Tom McBomb, the one that had Vertigo and all the really popular ones on it, or if it was the one after that, which sucked. I don't know. Well, again, we could take this offline. All right, last voicemail here. Hey guys, this is Brian calling from Los Angeles, California. You may have addressed this previously, but I was wondering if you guys

have thoughts on commentators letting the audience know that he players Catti is a good player in his or her own right, and whether that should be something that we add to the official no-link-up golf-ealing drinking game that I hope you guys release for Christmas. Thanks, bye. This one may be the last way too hard. I love, I think that's kind of why the whole business exists is picking up on these tiny, tiny, tiny minutia of golf and just blowing them out into the ether and that is, that's right in the wheelhouse. In their own right is what made that call.

That's what made that work. It's actually quite a player in his own right is what made that call. That's what made that work. It's actually quite a player in his own right. It's shades of like when a basketball player is father's, you know, he was a good player in his own right. It's one of those words that like could never, like it never gets used in another context. Like that's the only way you ever hear in his own right. It's like, you know, in this example.

We're gonna, just for that person pointing out, I promise, we're gonna work that into the next Wild World Golf. You can, you can bank on that free preview, which might be the best one yet, or to come on that. I think it is. Also, lastly, shout out to Christopher Ventura,

won the Utah Championship on the third playoff hole. Yeah. While we were recording this. Did he Monday in this week? Less than I don't know. I feel like he was either Monday or sponsored exemption or buried borderline. This was only his third or fourth web event of the year.

But another Oklahoma State guy, another Norwegian Oklahoma State guy could be many people are saying he might be Victor Holland's dad. I've only heard one person say, I've've heard him say it five times today that's T-Rong Carter. That is wild. I did not realize that. All right.

He was a sponsors invite. Oh, sorry. He was a sponsor, he was a sponsors invite at the BMW charity program and he's parlayed that all the way into this is why matters. Why stuff matters. On that note, we're signing off. Enjoy July 4th week, everyone. and we will see you back here soon. Cheers!

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