No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 23: Kyle Porter, PGA Championship

Episode Date: August 20, 2015

Kyle Porter from CBS had some DJ takes in the oven, and we had to get them recorded. We had our usual giggle-fest, with some stronger than usual takes, including Whistling Straits, Jason Day, the... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 23: Kyle Porter, PGA Championship appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything to- Alright ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. I'm Chris Solomon and back with me for... I've lost track of how many times we've had this guest but Probably my favorite guest only because mostly because we will just spend most of this podcast laughing

But from CBS Mr. Kyle Porter himself Kyle, how was Whistling Straits? Yeah, it's just a giggle fest every time we get on here. Whistling Straits was, man, you know, okay, so that was my second major to get it to cover. I'm actually being there. And, you know, Shaper's Bay was cool. It was fun. I met a ton of people there,

but Wesley Straits was awesome. Wesley Straits was, I feel like what Chambers was supposed to be, like in terms of, it's a really hilly or kind of difficult terrain to get around. You've got the water right there, but it's just everything's so much prettier. The course was so much less annoying,

I guess is the best way to put it. In terms of like, everybody loves it. The scores are low. It was just a really fun way. I met Dan Jenkins last week. I was fun. Just, I don't know, I loved it. It was my favorite, I think I tweeted this,

but it was my favorite week, I think ever in the last three years of covering golf, it was a really great time. Yeah, I mean, it was funny to me how little Whistling Straits was talked about, both leading up to it and during the week. It was like, that's how a golf course should be. A tournament should be.

It's like, the whole talk during the US Open was Chambers Bay. It's like, that's not fun to sit and talk about a golf course the entire week. The golf course is the setting, right? You want to have a good setting for it, great views, and you want something that's going to give you a great tournament, and by all means, Wistling Strait lived up to that. I'm biased because I haven't played a lot of these tour courses, but I've played Wistling Strait, and I loved it when I played it, but I mean, it's just, it seems to be like, I think I tweeted this, it visually especially on TV whistling is is what chambers Bay was supposed to be like

Yeah, absolutely. I mean I I rolled up with I saw something at hashtag chat and I was like The Lincoln looks like the Caribbean does I used to live in Chicago and Lake Michigan does not look like that in Chicago. I don't know what they put in, literally what they put in the water up there. It looks fake. Yeah, I was talking to somebody. I think it was Steph Way who said that Matt, every convinced his caddy that there was

a whale in Michigan. It was, it was, it was that was, there was like a huge rock out there and every convinced this caddy that it was a whale, like coming up to the surface. Well, I don't know Matt, every's caddy, but that would be like the, one of the top five guys who was caddy, you could convince me I would actually believe that. That is phenomenal. So were you really buzzing from milwaki yeah yeah brutal

what actually wasn't that brutal so so we say in the uh... at the high end of the walkie with that you know i don't like the walkie i've never been up there i've also never been to chicago i would assume it's kind of like a like a uh... like a poor man chicago maybe but uh... very poor man Chicago maybe, but very poor man Chicago. But continue. But yeah, we bust over from Milwaukee.

And the reason that it wasn't bad is because all the buses that we took, I sound like I'm like like 80 years old right now, but they all had Wi-Fi. It was amazing. You can't. And where you guys all on the bus together and two, like you could talk to other writers and whatnot on the shuttle? Yeah, I mean, the people that they had veteran's, I guess you would say,

had rented houses actually closer to a street. Yeah. But yeah, for those of us who were not, we were, yeah, just saw on the bus over there and back. And it was fine. Like it wasn't, I don't think it was as bad as a lot of people made it out to be. Yeah. Well, it's time we talk about it. I mean, it's the moment everyone's been talking about this all over, definitely all over Amsterdam.

I'm sure back home in Texas, everyone's talking about it. But on your bond Lahiri, T5 finish at the PGA Championship. Okay, so true story in the media tent. Oh no. I am sitting next to a journalist, he's on my left hand side, and all week I had to do these like video, like basically tape myself on my computer using a video cam. DJ Pied knows about this because he actually had to hold the camera at Chambers Bay because

I couldn't find a spot to do it. And so there's this like shaky video of me in the V.S. Center. Like it's unbelievable. But I figured out how to set it up at Whistland Strays. And there's this Indian man next to me, this journalist, that finally on the last day he started talking to me, said, oh, you know, you're very good at this, at making these videos in one take and just doing it the first time. I was like, bro, I don't even really know what I'm saying here. Like, I'm just like saying a bunch of stuff and, you know, throwing tigers name in there and making a video and The conversation of course turned to Hunter Bonn and I asked him about you know You know, what what is it with this dude like you know, you know, we love we love on her bomb like he's the man

Where is so I need to have this guy on the podcast, not you. It was great. It was one of the highlights of my week. I mean, I said I admitted on Twitter album, and admitted live on podcasts. I made Lahiri, the poster boy, for my early season rants against the official world golf rankings. And like he got in the masters basically I thought the route

that I, that route that I hate by winning, he did win in Malaysia a bigger event but he won like the hero Indian open and got like a lot of world golf ranking points for that more than like Henry Extensen got for finishing T4 at the Valsbar or something like that. So, Lahiri just became this official World Golf rankings joke to me and he's backed up his pull. If you're going to finish top five in a major, I got it back off. So I've officially suspended my honor bottom Lahiri jokes. He's a legit player.

I'll say it and we'll just move on from this topic forever. Hold on. So I was following his group on Saturday with him and Finao. And that was kind of a smoke show off the tee. They were bombing. And one thing I noticed that I thought I should mention to you is, HonorBunt has, so I forgot to have a sponsor, but all over his half,, he's got like four or five of them now, but all over his hat and his clothes and his yardage book,

it just says, bon, like that's his nickname or something. It's like, it's like, I think he's kind of like an Indian badass. I think that people in India, I mean, I think he's like the tiger of India maybe. I don't know. I mean, he's got the track record to back it up, that back up that statement, that's for sure. He's more competitive than tiger is these days, that's for sure. That's true.

That's true. But all right, so Jason Day wins a PGA championship by three. In my wrong, this might be, you might the, pull out the fire retardant suit here. No, it's already all. I think it was the best major performance of the year. Yeah, I mean, it's tough to say because I don't know, I feel like whistling straightsits was probably playing the easiest of the four videos.

I mean, yes, he had the lowest score of any of the winners. Yeah, I mean, I think it's between that and Speed that I guess, right? Yeah, that would be obvious too, but I mean, Day just put on an absolute striped show. I mean, not to take away anything from what Speed did in the Masters, because obviously we know I'm Speed fanboy, but like, I forget what I,

he ran, Speed wanted basically on Friday. What was he through two rounds, 12 under 14 under something? Yeah, I think he went like 64, 66 or something. Something completely ridiculous. It was basically over by Friday afternoon, and he kind of, I mean, held on as a ridiculous thing to say about a guy that won the Masters by five or whatever he won, but.

Day had speed breathing down his neck the entire weekend. And other than laying the sod over that ball on nine, was pretty much unflapable. Like that's when I thought like, oh, here we go. Like I didn't want to see day blow, and I was rooting for speed, but I love Jason Day. And I mean, the shots he was hitting on that back nine. And that moment when he put that ball on and two and on 16, and I don't know if you got to see his reaction, you might have been out on the course, but he just turned and basically did the Vince McMahon strut up the fairway while staring at his at his caddy.

The Vince McMahon struck up the fairway while staring at his caddy. Well, the whole the whole back nine he was at I wrote this. He literally was like on the on the lady's t-box by the time it's tried. But he was not he wasn't picking up the T. Yeah, you mentioned that. He didn't pick up the T. He wasn't looking at it. He was just he literally would hit it hold his club out to his caddy and just like start it basically running after it like he likes jog like like a dog chasing after like a frisbee in the air go get it boy go get it go get it

It was amazing, but you're point about the scoring. I think there are two things that were telling one He's just poor Justin Rose by the way. He said he said after his round on Sunday that he thought 14 under I don't know when he thought this I think at the beginning of the week he thought 14 under would win it and that's what he finished he got me by six and then a spieth on Sunday said that on Saturday night he told he told grower that he thought 68 on Sunday for him would win it He was too bad going in he thought 68 would get it done. No, sir. And he got and he got smoked and I mean, I mean, I just thought that day is performance on Sunday was just sick. It was 67 It was awesome. Yeah, and I mean a don't know people are hyping on the you know it were the majors too easy or what not it's like for me

it looked like the wind was basically pretty much a non-factor I mean it was not like wasn't straight straights as supposed to blow out there like it's supposed to be windy and it really was not that much of a factor am I right in saying that? Yeah I mean you got both I mean you please these majors at these courses like St Andrews and like Whististling Straits where it, if it doesn't, whoa, it is easy. But I mean, you can't like not play them at courses like that just because it might not, whoa, like I, I think it's, I mean, I don't know. I don't really like that it's too easy. I hate it. I hate it. What is wrong with birdies? Like like the alternative to that

is making you know one of those long par five or like mid mid range par five's like a little bit shorter and making it a par four. Like how does that make the tournament better? Like I don't follow that. Yeah I saw this so I'm a big you know Oklahoma say guy read the Oklahoma papers and there was a column by probably the best sportswriter in Oklahoma about how the majors have become too easy. I'm like, what does that even mean? Like, you're not, you don't like compete against the course. It's not like a, uh,

this is why we can't have nice things. This is why we can't have nice things. Like, we just got the greatest major season of my adult lifetime, non-tiger related. And you know, they're too easy. That's an actual problem. Well, it's like, it's like, oh, beating Jordan's teeth at Rory McRory and Dustin Johnson

at Wistland Straits is easy. It was easy, no, it was easy on day. That was really easy. I just, I don't know, I don't get that. Yeah. Well, all right, so I want to get into DJing a little bit, but yeah, I had this thought today on speed and that in my, all right, he only only won two majors this year. So yeah, I mean, there's

Hogan won three in one year, Tigers won three in one year. But I would argue that no one's ever been closer to winning the Grand Slam. I'm, I'm, let's discount Hogan because when he won three in one year, he couldn't play the PJ I'm, let's discount Hogan, because when he won three in one year, he couldn't play the PJ championship. So let's talk modern era. The misses boat back. He missed his boat back. His kayak.

So in the modern era where you can play all four majors in a year, this is the closest anyone's ever been to doing that. Am I right? I mean, he finished one shot out of the playoff at the British and finished solo second at the PGA. When Tiger won three, he was not much of a factor in the Masters that year. Yeah, he lost by what was his five or six or something like that to VJ.

He was like T-5, I think, yeah. It's interesting because speed was far closer at the tournament that he finished T-4 in than the one he finished solo second. I mean it didn't really ever... I mean you know there were a couple moments on Sunday or where day wavered a little bit but I don't know it didn't really ever feel like he... the speech really had a shot on so they'd be yeah you're right I mean like in terms of like I mean you're nitpicking at that point because tiger finished bitch. Yeah. Then won the remaining three majors.

But like yeah, I think it's a good point. I think in terms of like all four. But I mean you could say the same thing about like a guy like you don't even have to win any of them. Yeah. Like if you finish one back, like you know, one shot back and all four majors, you can say that was the closest ever. So in terms of title, it doesn't mean a lot, but I think in terms of like, yeah, like just based on the definition of the words, yeah, I think you're right. We'll call that the Sergio Slam, the guy that finished like, once got back. Yeah, seriously, seriously. But so where do you stand on the whole, I mean, of course,

as soon as a guy wins that people are going to do the whole rivalry or try to classify this era, what not, when they, when people started thinking saying this big three thing of day, macro, and speed, what was your first reaction and where do you currently stand? I know it's only been a couple of days, but I was the reason I'm asking. Yeah, my first reaction was just to be annoyed by it, which is my, I feel like I'm like this old, like, bitter sports rider. Like I'm just annoyed by everything right now. This is the reason why I exist is I hate everything, so I, I hear you.

But the more I think about it, the more I think it could possibly be accurate. I don't know. We always overreact the majors. It's one of the things that is, I think, somewhat frustrated about mainstream media just kind of dive bombing in on the majors. It's like, the player's championship is a really big deal too. We don't, I don't know, whatever. We make too much out of, I think, wins generally,

but also winning the majors. I know that sounds ludicrous, and we'll get into that later with DJ. But I think it could be accurate. I mean, I think I keep going back to Rory's, the best guy. Like, yes, Speed had a great year, they had a great, you know, second half of the year, and a really good year overall. But I don't know, like, I don't know what you have to have

to have a big three. I do all three guys have to win, you know, five or more majors, like you had with Nicholas Palmer and Gary Player, I mean, I don't know, like, what the definition of a big three is. And generally, I don't know what the definition of a big three is. Generally, it annoys me because it seems to shut out the celebration of really good golfers like Dustin Johnson, Patrick Cree, Brooks Capigah, Adequim Hotsi Ahmed, etc. I think I've kind of had the same initial reaction as you did, and then the more I started

thinking about it, the more I'm on board with it and The point I wanted to make or try to make was that we've talked about this in the past about how being Close to the top but not pushing through is painted as a bad thing in golf and in other sports in general like think back to like LeBron How many times he's been he's lost four times in the finals, right? And people legitimately make the argument like, oh Jordan never lost in the finals, like cases shut right there. But Jordan often didn't make the finals on his way up before he, I mean, once he established himself obviously and they won six straight titles when he was on the team,

that's a different case. But there were many times when he didn't make it to the finals, couldn't get through the Eastern Conference. Sometimes I feel like in sports, we, I don't know what the word is, but we bring down a guy that is close but doesn't push all the way through. You'd almost rather be a non-factor. No one's really, and we'll get into this with DJ, like no one's really ripping on Koocher this week for not winning the PGA, but DJ's been close a bunch of times this year, so now it's like, what is this whole focus is on this fact that DJ,

quote unquote, can't close or can't finish the deal on a major, which I feel like day has kind of become a victim of that too, where I mean, he's got what for seven top 10s in majors in the last three years alone, like, are you kidding me? Like, it's a bounce here or there, and he may have one or more of these titles. And so like, just being up near the top has made him, and people gave me comparisons to Sergio when I said, after the, after the British, I said, it's only a matter of time before day wins.

Really hot take, I know. But I said, it's almost like it's a bad thing that he's keeping getting near the top. And in my head, I'm thinking he's gonna learn from these experiences and he's gonna figure out how to close one of these out. And that finally happened, the golf.com headline, day finally gets his major at the age of 27.

But I feel like, I mean, the other factor to think about with Dave is, this is his first really healthy year. And we say that and he fell on the ground because of Vertigo at the US Open and this is the most healthy he's ever been. Yeah, a lot of people ask me after, I did some radio stuff on Sunday night and Monday and

people said, you know, what keeps him from winning multiple majors? And my answer to that was, was injuries for sure. I mean, he's a dude like, I mean, like your boy Justin Thomas, who just swings out of his shoes every time. And, you know, he's been, like you said relatively healthy this year but it's it's been rough on him in the past. So I think that's man that just watching tiger that's one thing that people underrate when it comes to golf is keeping your body healthy for 15 or 20 years is a difficult thing to do. But yeah I mean you're right about him, you know, being at the top and push.

I mean, are you saying that that's, like, what was your point about the big three then in terms of that? No, I think that it's a, when you factor in how close he's been in prior majors, which I know that doesn't count as wins. I'm not saying, you know, finishing top three, four times in three years, whatever he did,

between 2011, 2013. I'm not saying that equals a win. I got no winning majors is important. But the fact that he's been so close for so long while still battling injuries basically every year of his career. It's like maybe he does belong in the category of speed and rory as far as the most talented players on the currently on the planet and having the potential to win 3, 4, 5 more of these things. Like, I feel like people say, took him this long to win one. I can't put him in that category. I'm fine with not putting him in that category yet,

but I think we might be looking at a clear cut number three player in the world. That's what he's ranked, but I think it might be this top three guys in the world for a long time as long as they're healthy What are we gonna have to take this podcast down when one Brooks Keke rises to number two? Like six months. Well, we won't see it regardless. So I hope the official world golf rankings don't go off the number of air Television shots because we won't we won't ever see the rise. But I know you work for CBS.

I promise I was gonna. I don't get fired moment for me. Yeah, I promise I'd bite my tongue. I even thought to myself, I'm like, I may have to do like an interjected audio in later. Edit in part where I just go off on CBS and like make a disclaimer that Kyle Porter does not support these claims

and does not has these claims and does not has no affiliation with this might have to be a separate podcast with just myself. But we'll save that for another day. But yeah, that's good. I didn't see the proof of life parody with Kevka. Somebody needs to like, somebody posted like the poster of the proof of life movie. I think somebody needs to have Photoshop job on, is it Russell Crowe that's in that? I could not tell you that.

I don't know. I'm not familiar with that one. Yeah. It's like, I think it's like 10 years old. So I need to do a Keppga Photoshop job. Okay. But I didn't, just because I think you never, I didn't see this because I was out on the course.

But when I got back to the medias and pulled up the Bobo video with the ants. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh My god. Oh my god. I was in the airport in Rome watching it on my phone Like with my ear up against my phone like trying to listen to it So I'm watching it with my buddy and I was like, I think he's arguing with him about ants right now And my body's like, what? Like, and so we're both leaned up against my phone trying to hear this thing. And we hear him say something like, oh, so if you're allergic to ants, you don't care. It's like literally only person that could happen to is Baba.

Literally the only person. So you're saying they don't burrow. They're just, we're calling them. They're tunneling. So I don't know if you remember this at the Waste Management last year or two, this year or a year before, I don't remember which one. He got away with that ruling. His ball was under a bush and it was near a little hole

And he got a free drop out from the side of it and I threw up a huge stink at the time I'm like the guy that's that's taking advantage of the rules That's not playing by the rules and he tried to do it again in this pj official would just not let him have it And then he's sarcastically. Yeah, thanks a lot. Thanks for your help Like literally the guy did his, you asked him for a ruling. The best part was every 10 seconds he'd look over at Ted Scott and Ted would just be like, Yeah, I mean, they're burrowing, I don't know. What's Ted gonna do?

Ted's praying for his own life at that point. Oh, and by the way, Bub bubble made birdie on that whole. Yeah, of course. Of course, but all right, I'm ready. I'm handing you the blow torch and a wild brush field. And I want you to lay waste to the whole thing. Because you specifically asked me for the microphone for your DJ take.

So I'm ready. I got my fireman outfit on. I got the hose over here if I need to put it out. But sedative lays. So I'm ready. I got my fireman outfit on and I got the hose over here if I need to put it out, but Senator Blaze. You know, I don't even know, I don't even know where to begin with with any of this DJ stuff because people like you know, people say, oh, you can't close, you just choke or can't get it done. We've got it done nine times on the PJ tour That's more than bubble lots in that's just a couple fewer than Roy McAis 31 years old I mean, it's not like he's you know, it's not like he's like kin Duke out there Like a rowing around till he's 45 Ken, don't, I'll, I'll look Duke. I shouldn't, I shouldn't say that but

It's just it's annoying because people don't even understand what they're saying when they say that he chokes like people don't Pro, I mean, they don't even define like like what they're what they're even talking about. And, you know, just because they see like a 10 second clip of him three putting on these greens for you, like you'd be better off putting under water, it's easier to put straight under water than on these greens. It's like, oh, DJs, and it's like you said earlier,

like he gets punished because he's good and puts him and he hits a 350-yard drive and then 240-yard three-wood to 15 feet he gets punished because of that like I It's I don't know it wasn't man And I mean if you want to make the argument that make the argument that he has a three-putt at all year On the PJ tour from 15 feet and in and whatever. But like people just like like these easy lazy narratives and it just I don't know it annoys me because DJ is a really good player and I don't know it's just I don't

know it's frustrating I don't even know why I'm so upset about it. I got I'm getting pretty upset with it too because because I, Tron, you know, this Tron is a huge DJ fan. He's been, he's basically predicted he was gonna win two majors this year, which it was a really good prediction. It was because DJ kind of, I mean, he was, he was close to winning a couple majors this year, but what I, I was making this point

to Kevin Van Volkberg on Twitter the other day. It's like in sports, we put so much emphasis on what happens at the very end because we get in our head that that is when it's decided, right? When in actuality, it's the sum of all parts. I know like, so have you ever read Mark Brody's book every shot counts? No, I've been needing to pick it up. You really should, it's a really easy read,

it's a very quick read, but he just makes the, I never thought of it from this perspective until I read the book. It's like when you miss a six foot par putt, you are upset with yourself and you're like, damn it, like a six footer. I should make that. That's my putters fault. I'm better than that. I just can't putt. If you think back to it where you hit a drive slightly in the rough, you had a bad angle to the green, you hit it in slightly in the rough, you had a bad angle to the green, you hit it in the green side bunker, you had a good bunker shot to six feet and you missed the putt, you're like, damn it, it's by putters fault.

In actuality, if you hit the fairway and hit it in the middle of the green to 20 feet, you probably leave yourself a tap in for par, but you don't think about that. You don't think about the sum of what got you there, you think about the missed putt you made. And in actuality, there's not many, there's not a large differentiating factor on the greens. I mean, obviously there's good putters and bad putters, but the larger difference is made up from T to green. The same way that the first 71 holes of a tournament are way more important than just the final hole. It's the same exact way. It's the sum of all parts. It just has so happened that DJ has been close on the 18th hole at Whistler Strait, at Chambers Bay, and it just didn't go his way. If DJ3 puts the first

hole of the week, you know, from 15 feet, no one says a word, but because it happened at the end, everyone thinks he's a choker. And yeah, there is some element that's different to play a 72nd hole under pressure than rather than playing the first hole in term I'm not saying I obvious that's obvious, but like all of a sudden like I don't know people just emphasize this Final round thing or lack of ability to close and it just frustrates me it's saying the same goes for any other player But it's like it's not the whole choker narrative. It's, I don't know, I'd like to hear how you want you to find a choker because for me, like the choking is van-developing

or Scott Hoking or Doug Sanders, somebody who's got it won and completely gives it away. Like, so comes, clearly succumbs to the pressure, right? Like, I can't say that DJ really feels real pressure, you know? Yeah, I think that choking should, and this is probably good at what? Because nobody, if you make a nuanced, like well-afforded point about somebody being a choker

or like not being able to perform under pressure, then I'll listen to it, of course, because it's well-reasoned and it's thought out. If you can back it up with data, if you can back it up with data, then I'll just use that. Yeah, I really just like picks these like pressure points that's like, you don't even,

like you don't even know what you're talking about. You don't understand the way DJ play. You don't, you just go away, like you don't understand this. But to me, like choking is doing something wildly different under pressure that you normally wouldn't do. So, if Van de Vell plays the 18th hole at the British Open, a thousand times, he makes a average of 4.3 per score or whatever. I can't remember if it was at a par five or a par four? Yeah. Even okay, so he makes a average of and this is the other thing about the whole like speed choking at the British open thing like he played the last, well, was it three holes in even 12th? Yeah,

even part 12 strokes like that that's not different than what he would have done normally. That's like an average thing. But we, like you said, we put so much emphasis on it because it's at the very end of a tournament that it's like, I mean, I feel like the biggest example we've had of choking this year, I can't believe I'm saying this. I know it. Speed 17, you Chambers back. Yeah. Exactly. You made a double bogey that would never have, I mean, that like totally agree. I even said that your, the piece you're talking about is Luke Kardonine's piece for, uh, for

the win about, you know, it had the title, Jordan's beef, Chokes, the British open. I think that was posted before the playoff was even over. And, uh, and I made that exact same point to him. I said, I would argue that Speedh choked way harder in the US open than he did at the British Open. He just had an extra hole afterward to recover from. And he ran out of holes at the British. And I mean, I accused him of using selective endpoints

and endpoints as well by starting his narrative with the 17th hole, bogeying the 17th, and then not birding the 18th. It's like, yeah, the guy made a 45 footer on 16th even put him in the mix. Like, if he doesn't make that putt, you don't think much about his bogey on 17. Like, there's a difference between choking

and I don't even like using this word but failing. Like, the game of golf is about failure. Like, speed technically by his standards and by ours failed coming in on 17th and 18th. I'm fine with somebody saying that. I just, I hate the word choke. I think it's a, like you said, a lazy, lazy narrative. And it just, once you label someone that,

it's like a label that doesn't really go away. I don't know why I care about what people say this much, but like, and I've never been like the one that really cared or defend DJed as much, but it just, it just starting to wear on me. This whole year is just starting to wear on me. By the way, before I forget this, in his pre-turtle man press conference,

Rory said that he watched the last nine holes of the British open, but didn't watch the playoff. So yeah, well, yeah, same as all of us. Exactly. But, uh. I just, in terms of DJ, like, I think I just get frustrated with people, just pick like the hottest take. And this is, by the way, this is not a shot at Luke.

We met at the PGA, he's great dude. Like, we had a lot of fun together. But when people pick the hottest take, narrative possible, and they don't, like, if you back up, you're reasoning with the fact that DJ had not put it from 15 feet or in all year then okay I'll listen to your point more so then if you just say DJ is a choker because he three putt it like you don't even know what you're saying like it just I don't know

it just frustrates no I understand I feel the same way I mean Luke Luke does not I think he even admits that he would do that piece differently if not over again. And we had a private conversation about it. He owned up to it and we, I mean, I just thought he's better than that. I thought that was, I think that, I told him what he wrote, Roe was complete crap, but I disagree with it. I do know he's better than that, but it's also a sensitive subject. If you come after speed, I'm going to be, I'll get on the defense real quick. I get that way with speed, they enroll. I get that way with 33% of the PGA tour at this point.

I talked to, or I saw Justin, which is called Justin, and we go in with Jordan Speed Spesprone. That's, Jordan Speed's good buddy, Justin Thomas. Hashtag.jsGB. I saw him with a PGA, as Shikas Ayn said, I was a good moment. He wasn't, I couldn't tell. I don't think he was wearing his no-waying up shirt

underneath his whole oil on. It's on Sunday. It's on Sunday. I don't know what the deal was. But OK, I tried to get into this on Twitter. And I realized it was the wrong medium for it. And I may or may not have been under the influence of several beverages as well when I posted this.

So, like, it was all week. It was like a theme of sports writers kind of jokingly, or I felt like they were making fun of DJ by them posting these simple quotes he was giving them. Like, I thought this was a fantastic answer actually. When they asked him, how often do you think about what happened at Whistling Straits? And his answer was about as often as I'm asked about it. Like, you guys keep asking about this. Like, I don't give a shit about your narratives. I just don't, that's why I truly think that like, DJ is on an elite level on the mental side of the game. And this is how this is about to get flaming.

I'm one more to you. That was already. Listen, but listen to how I get there. A lot of people think DJ is really not intelligent. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm willing to accept that. And in general, I believe that as well. But like I said, I don't know that. I do think that DJ's mind when it comes to golf is so brilliantly simple that that's

what makes him as great as he is. Like we're talking about the most mental game ever. Like the most mental game I've ever played. I mean, I'm sure there's some statistically proving wrong that's not the most mental game ever. Like most mental game I've ever played. I mean, I'm not sure there's some statistically proving wrong. That's not the most mental game ever. But the mental aspect of this game, so many people overthink it, right? I mean, so many people are making swing change,

fixing this blah, blah, blah, sports psychologist, blah, blah, blah. Whereas DJ maybe doesn't have that much going on in his head and definitely when it comes to golf, I don't think has much going on in his head other than seeing the ball hitting the ball and doing it Why isn't that like the perfect formula for golf like isn't he's I think he he's almost so blindly dumb that it works out Perfectly for him and golf Well, I think your last point is is the correct one and that you you have to

I think your last point is the correct one and that you have to act, or you have to think the way that best suits your game. So that wouldn't work for Jordan's speech. If he just went out there and like, was his mind was just empty all the time, he wouldn't be as good as he is because that is what works for him. Like for DJ, he's so talented

that what works for him is empty in his mind and letting his talent take over. Now, you could argue that he needs, and I think he's actually gotten a better team around him in terms of swing coach and just people around him to put him in positions to be successful. But for, I mean, yes, you are correct. That if DJ went out there and started trying to analyze courses,

it would go very, very badly for him. Like, he needs to perform the way that he's been created to perform. Like, I think that's correct. And, you know, I don't know if he's unintelligent either. He doesn't come across as, you know, like he't know if he's unintelligent either he doesn't come across is you know what you is a road scholar anything but like i i i just i just think that main point is that you should just stay in their

lane do what they do and and you know wait the end of the week if you're the winner then you're the winner and if not then you know we saw this like looped on old i mean people people think about this in terms of physical things. They don't think about it in terms of mental things. So, we've Donald goes out and tries to change a swing

to get more distance. It's like, bro, that's not who you are. Like, just be who you are. And if that's good enough, then so be it. But you're not gonna suddenly, you know, jump up several standard deviations just by trying to like change all these different things Standard deviations damn we are getting we are nerding it up. I love this. I love it But no, I think like I think I've kind of made my point with the whole DJ thing, but it's like

You can't expect The the golfers don't owe you anything like to the media like they just DJ's just one guy that just really doesn't care what you think about him he doesn't try to put on a show no one will ever accuse him of being fake I think he just gives honest answers when he's like I'm just chilling like he is literally just chilling out there like he like if there's anyone that can handle all these things that have happened to him it's DJ right? I think so. I gotta ask that after the US Open.

It's like, oh, this is career over. I was like, I don't know. Like he's probably like doesn't care. Like I don't think he's thought about it really. I like it. And yeah, I mean, I think that's just, I don't know. I don't know.

Like are people gonna feel silly like when DJ wins a major? No, I think it'll be like, oh, I think it'll be the narrative thing. It's like he finally broke through. He conquered his demons and put his past behind him and stopped partying and stopped sleeping with other players' lives allegedly. But yeah, too soon.

Oh, your reaction caught me off guard. And now I forget where I was going with that train of thought. But, um, but, oh, here's what I was going to say. So we've been, I think you and I have talked about this before in the past about how like, think of a team sport and how fans take it more seriously than the players sometimes. Like players like, they, they,, like they, in certain cases, somebody like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady

probably cares an awful lot about the outcome of a game, but like think about like a defensive back, like a nickel back for the Patriots. Like, shout out to Nickelback by the way, but anyways, like, if they lose a game, you tell me he's not gonna go out and go drink it and go live it up, like how much can he really care about losing a game? It could this kind of be the case with DJ too is like when he quote unquote loses that we care or we react way more than just he cares about it

Yeah, I mean, I think that's like I think that's generally the truth about most professional athletes I think about it like you don't like if I work for like FedEx, shout out to FedEx. Let's go. I can't wait for this one. Synergy with the FedEx capcom, you know, sponsored. You can't work on CBSports.com.

Sponsored, sponsored by this podcast is sponsored by FedEx. If I work for FedEx, it'd like, and like, I, you know, deliver all my packages on a Thursday, and this is going down, Bill. Like, I don't care if FedEx, like, like, what their margins are for the third quarter of 2015. You know, like, I just, like, I just want want to this is the best bad analogy I've ever heard but I just seriously though like I just want to promotion and I want to make more money. I think I think that that's what like professional athletes like and in the the dude that

writes the the secret to a pro thing for golf digest not to be confused with the guy that's on Twitter but like the golf digest column. He was like the kind of dirty little secret out here is that people don't really care about when in turn of this. They want to make a ton of money. That's why they play golf. There's a handful that sort of cat. I mean, we've seen this with Rory, right? Rory did a press conference before the US Open, Abby Whistley and Straits previewing

the PJ Championship. And he was talking about 2014, and he was talking about, he was in his final round in the last group with Weissberger, and he was like, I didn't really feel motivated. He's like, I had to talk myself into the fact that this was a major, and I was leading, and that I needed to get more jacked up than I was. And I was like, such an honest thing, like we project the fact that these dudes like should be on 100% of the time and forget that they're humans

that sometimes don't feel motivated, sometimes they just wanna make more money. Like I think that we forget that a lot of times. That makes his the way he played in on the 18. I'll make a lot more sense after that quote too. It's just like, he was basically trying to squeeze in as many holes as possible for dark like the same way I do like Like oh we can finish 18 we can play this in the dark like he didn't care whether or not He won the major. He just wanted to be done that night like it was I don't know if I play that aty-toe

hole in that much in that much light like it was so absurd No, you can't but but you've already hit. So come on up, young prick. By the way, Phil, wave him to the boat or we're going to rank on all time. Oh my god. Doesn't that have to leave the two or so's part five? I mean, I think that will never be replicated, right?

I mean, like, that's truly, truly historic moment. Like, I don't think that can truly historic moment. Like I don't think that can ever happen again. I'm trying to think of a scenario where it could. It was so casual too. I was I told you I was walking at the time and just the way he did it was like oh hey hey both guys how are we doing? We know that's not even the most ridiculous thing he did away. He slid down a hill on his ass like that was him ejecting from the attention by the way. Phil, he ejected.

So we've gone almost 40 minutes now and we've barely mentioned Brooks even just in passing really. He's favored this week, did you? I saw that 14 to 1 i was what i saw like is this the actual arrival is this is this it he's even he went out in forty can we talk about that to an almost he could have won the pg a i mean he's been three top two by the way people

go back to the day real quick people like don't think that three top tens and four majors is impressive. Oh, it's about winning Kyle. Come on. Okay, whatever. Anyway, Brooks says three top tens and the majors in the last two years. Three top tens?

What's the... I know he was T-4 at the U.S. Open last year. What's the other one? I don't remember. Maybe the master's. Oh, this year. This year at the Open Championship the British Open he's finished T10. Okay. Well, it's been pretty

quiet even like I don't even I was like kind of borderline worship like kind of creepily like didn't realize like there's last several results T5 obviously the PGA T6 at Bridgestone T18 at Canadian Open reach up final round 74 T10 at Bridgestone, T18 at Canadian Open, we shall find around 74. T10 at the Open Championship, T18 at the US Open, T3 at the St. Jude Classic. He hasn't finished outside the top 18 since early June. Yeah, it's pretty solid. By the way, first of all, you were on point on Sunday the PGA on Twitter, but I think your best tweet of the last week was about a Jackie and Tiger warning from the greatest effort. When did this week? I mean, they're just four, they got to be, they're just hashtag blessed.

That's what Tiger shouldn't tweet it when he found out he was paired with Brooks Kebke this week. I walked with Brooks and I wanted to tell you this too but I walked with Brooks and Rory on Saturday when they were paired together because like I was going to miss that. It was just it was a joke. I don't know if you saw my tweet on that but but I just put a picture up of a sock on it. The sock on the door. I did see that. I mean, it was, it really like seriously though.

It was incredible to watch. It was really fun. They seemed like, I mean, they're like friends and they were just kind of chatting and it was cool to see two dudes who are so good at golf play together and Brooks played obviously really well in the weekend. Yeah and Justin Thomas too man, I think you've still finished inside the top 10, you know rough finish on Sunday but I mean it's happening, it's been happening all year and it's still happening.

I have a feeling that Thomas is going to make some major noise in the FedEx Cup playoffs. I think he's going to win a FedEx Cup event, put it on the board right there. Do you think that he will oppose with his shirt on or off after the 2016 Ryder Cup when he goes 4 and 1 against Europe? He's going to show us no laying up tattoo he has a crosses chest, I'm pretty sure. The nose in green, just like our t-shirts though. I'm already excited. Like I'm begging my editor and my boss to go to Hazelteen next year. Oh, you have to. Yeah. What you're not going to Korea. You're not going to the president's cup. You're not going to the president's cup. Actually, I haven't told you this, but they contacted you out to cover that for CVS.

But please no, please no. I do not agree to that. It actually is starting to shape up. It might be kind of an interesting little event that no one's going to watch or hear about, but it might actually... Why does Phil want to go by the way? I he probably just like doesn't want to take this kids to school for a week I don't know. He can't like he can't go right they can't send him right? It would be we would need to get some like a forum

diplomat involved I think too. I already I bought a pitchfork just to have ready for when they they inevitably screw up these captain picks because I am already mad. They haven't even made the selections yet because... You're not excited about Bill Haas and the scrubber telling over the to courier? Because there's only say for some reason that Streb doesn't get inside the top 10, which I think he will with Kirk's injury, and it just seems to be something to be proud of him. If Streb falls out, and there's only two captains picks, so if Streb, Horshield, and Kebka are not, if they decide between those, no matter what they decide, I'm going to be upset.

I'm just saying that right now. If they don't kick one person off the team and put those three on, I'm gonna be really upset. Yeah, I mean, if I've already said that Forshals not involved in the at Hazel team next year, that I'm not gonna cover the amount. I'm out. I mean, I don't know. I was looking at the international Adam Sarson

riddle thing about shaping up the teams at this point. Like, yeah, it was great. I didn't know it really. I'm kind of afraid to say this, but I'm kind of starting to get interested in this event. You have the presidents come? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it'll be cool because you've got, by the way, do we know what kind of putter Adam Scott has to use? I was just trying to think of a funny joke. I don't have one, but he can to use, he can use the long one It doesn't happen till January 1, 2016, but I didn't know if it was like the different rules and career or something, but yeah, the I mean, but between like I mean, like here he's probably gonna go what four one five and oh maybe like I can you I already heard a lot Stuff on the here e this weekend, which is fine. I deserve that Can you imagine if he starts like stabbing US players in the heart?

If he takes Patrick Reed down, can you imagine what my Twitter mentions are going to look like? All six people that are watching it are going to be tweeting at me. What if he just gets 7 and 6 against Brooks and just starts flexing on the core? Just, he just aims his Brooks out on the cores. flexing on the core. Just, you just aims his brooks out on the cores? Well, I kind of like the presence cup because they just play so many matches. That's usually why it's never close, but like they play, it's four days, and two of the days are 36 holes.

Like, it's just, and it's 10 matches, it's 10 players out there instead of eight at a time. It's like, it's too much golf almost. Yeah, it's, it's a lot. Lessons more in that case. So are we gonna talk about Tiger by the way? I've got so many tags. You got some?

I'm out. I'm tapped out on Tiger. Well, just the whole, I mean, I looked back, so like you know, you mentioned earlier that you had had a few beverages before you tweeted about DJ and I looked back at what I said about Tiger on Twitter on Saturday night and it felt like I had had a few beverages even though I had

not at all. I just lost my mind. I don't know what happened. I like snapped or something. It was... What night was this? It was Saturday night after he missed the cut. Okay. Because I think I read it when I was on several beverages as well, so I don't fully remember the rant. Yeah, it was just fire. I mean, it was something. Oh, I remember waking up. I think I tweeted a picture of just a field laid ways to fire, because that was my reaction

to waking up and reading that. I just, it's a charade. I think I'm gonna write this comment. The whole thing is a freaking charade because we roll tiger into these press conferences and like expecting to like say, I don't know what we expecting to say. Like, just wanna get better shot by shot.

Like, that's what he says every time. And then we throw him into feature group coverage. Any shoots of 75, what we've got you know Capca shoot in a 68 and Justin you know phenal these guys that people actually want to see and The part I'm not annoyed at the media like I understand why the media doesn't I do it like I Did that you that was your favorite part I think Yeah, oh yeah, okay now this is all coming back false coach me What did you said yeah, I do it sex cells like even bad sex

That's what I'm saying But it's true like I don't that's the serenity by the media I think the whole thing is just like The general public is it's it's just I hate it because they're so attuned to Tiger, even though, like, we just let him go away and like, just work on his game, shoot his 74s, maybe he gets better, maybe not, but like, I just hate that we just keep rolling him out there as like this side show to the main event every week, it's just, the whole thing is just stupid.

That's exactly what it is, side show. But I'm actually pretty punky's playing this week it's like and you I think you referenced it uh Tron and Phil wrote this in our in our preview this week just about how he should just go play the web.com tour playoffs like how how awesome would that be like he's a rap baby get some rap too I think I even made this point like way back in 2011 back when he was in his in his big slump Like he's above no event at this point. You are not above the John Deere classic at this point Tiger No, you don't roll into the wind him trying to sneak into the playoffs and you're in your yeah, you're I mean the barba sol is in play

Marvisol is employees. But I mean, I don't get what he's going after this week. I need reps. It's like, you're shutting it down until December after this term. What are these reps for? He's playing the fries.com. Is he? Yeah. Okay, so that's what I think.

I think Rory might be too. There was some agreement I don't know it was it had to do with them going overseas and paying back Something oh in basically oh in the fries dot com something so I think they're both playing at this year He played it a couple years ago too if I remember right he did I think yeah What wins the fries dot com is about 30 seconds after the end of the 2015 season I think yeah, what wins a prize that comes about 30 seconds after the end of the 2015 season

They were handing out the trophy for the fries calm as Horser was still counting his money No, you know, I don't know he talked about how like He's still got a lot left to do in 2015 I I'm like, like your daughter has a busy soccer schedule this fall or what, like he's talking about like playing globally, apparently him and Kutcher were supposed to go down to Argentina last year or something which sounds weird and kind of shady, but like, I don't know, he's whatever.

I forget, I'm so like, you just reminded me that we're about to be in golf silly season. And it's like the worst, the worst time of the year. It's the reason why I feel like the winter is my favorite time of year for golf. A January through March, it's like the best. It's cold outside. I don't want to play golf. I'm never outside. I just want to watch golf. We get so excited in that off season because it's so terrible. Yeah, and then we remember that the US Open still like nine months away. Yeah.

And then yeah, exactly. And then we get major season. It's like hard to get up for the small events in between. I'm also. Yeah, and like next year, the start of the US Open and the end of the PGA championship are 45 days apart. It's absurd. They have to be like, you can't tell me the PGA,

well, they don't want to go up against football, I guess, but like the PGA championship in like February, how awesome would that be? I made the case, the global schedule. The global tour. It would be hard because like people don't care about tennis and that's what tennis does, but I don't know. People like you and I would love it. Of course, I mean.

Still going from July to February would be way too long of a time anyways. Like, it's going to be, I mean, it is what it is. It's not changing. There's no point in us rehashing it. We'll brainstorm on this, come back with a better, a half-baked idea. And we'll solve this. Yeah, for sure. So, all right, man, that's enough. We've, once we've gone full, Tiger, playing the web.com tour of finals, I think we're set.

So, but yeah, time to get pumped for the web.com tour finals. I think I think we're set so But yeah time to get pumped for the playoffs the wind on this week and yeah, I'm sure we'll do it I don't these presidents cups probably not podcast worthy, but if something interesting happens Yeah, I'm sure you'll be back before we know it Well, we'll need to have a podcast to discuss what Patrick Green's gonna do with his $10 million fake Oh, that's your call. All right. All right. And if Lahiri goes off in the President's Cup, I will do another podcast. How about that? We might need to like bring my India journalist friend in and have a translator and do something

there. I mean, I think you actually brought it. If all right, here's the deal. If he, if Lahiri goes off and the international's's win I will have that guy on the podcast He's a great dude. I loved him. He was a good guy and I'll yeah, I'll look you guys up now Just let him just rail on me just go just go absolutely off of me. I can promise you he won't do that He was literally the nicest person I've ever read in my life. It was it was unbelievable He I heard I told him that I thought day was gonna win on Sunday and he said well I do not think you're right but I really really hope that you are we got in from the course after day one and he goes you were right my friend that's awesome

that's awesome great great all right man well thanks a lot for coming on again and we'll talk to you again soon. Okay, we'll talk to you later. See ya buddy. Feed a right club. Feed a right club today. Yeah! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different.