No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 237: Zac Blair

Episode Date: August 6, 2019

Friend of the program Zac Blair is back to discuss his win this week on the Korn Ferry Tour and everything that's gone into regaining his PGA Tour card. The past two years have been a struggle for Zac after finishing No. 126 on the FedExCup points list in 2017 and bouncing between the PGA Tour and the Korn Ferry Tour. He talks about some of the low points and how a change in mentality helped him regain perspective and secure his spot on the PGA Tour for the 2019-2020 season.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lingup podcast. I am not Sully, as you can probably tell. Sully is off gall of anti-g around Europe with his brand new fiance. So congratulations to both of them.

Instead, you get me today. This is DJ. And today, we are going to be speaking with friend of the program, Zach Blair, Zach won the Ellie May classic on the corn fairy tour this week to lock up his PJ tour card for next year. He got it back after losing his card and pretty, pretty devastating fashion two years ago, all of which we are going to get into in this interview. But it's a story that kind of makes what happened on Sunday, just that much better.

If you are new here, you have absolutely no idea who Zach is. He's someone that we met a few years ago. He is a golf sicko. He absolutely loves golf more than anyone I've ever met in my entire life, which is not an exaggeration at all. He actually helped us organize our first ever season of tour sauce down in Australia And we've just kind of all remain friends ever since and of course, you know a lot of you have gotten to know him or kind of feel like you know him Over the years as well. He's super active on Twitter and Instagram and so there were a lot of people on Sunday afternoon kind of clamoring for an emergency podcast of sorts with Zach. So here it is just a few days later.

Before we get to that interview, I wanted to say we're a little bummed that we didn't get to do a recap podcast this week. We had people scattered all over the place, obviously. But we wanted to give a belated shout out to JT Poston, who won the Windom Championship. Shot 62 in the final round. He didn't make a bogey all week. As you probably saw, I think the stack on around He was the first player since 1974, Leitrovino to win a tournament without making a bogey the entire week Which is insane to think about he was one of the first ever guests on our trap draw podcast a few years ago with with Tron and Randy And he's a good guy good player and so we're all just really happy to see that win this week.

But now, without any more delay, let's get to our chat with Zach Blair. All right, first question I have. So this win on Sunday, this was your first win since what? I think I won the sand hollow open a couple of times in Utah. Back to back, I saw. Back to back, yeah. So, you know, it's been a couple of times in Utah. Back to back, I saw. Back to back, yeah.

So it's been a couple of years though. So it was nice to kind of get something a little bigger than the sand hollow open for sure. Is there an illustrious list of people who have gone back to back at the sand hollow open? I mean, I might be the only one. So yeah, that's a pretty good one. Well, so obviously it was not on TV on Sunday.

So take me and the people listening. Take us there. What did we miss? You know, it was a pretty, there weren't too many fireworks to be honest. It was kind of a lot of people hanging on. And it wasn't like it was a crazy, tough day or anything. It was a little windy, but you know, the kind of nerves of the second to last event of season with PGA tour cards on

the line definitely can kind of get the juices flowing. So I played pretty good. You know, no bogies, which is kind of, of it helps for sure but just kind of I had a two-pup birdie on the third hole of the day. After I hit a couple of really good shots just on the right fringe and then hit a wedge in there close on five a couple holes later to about two or three feet you know kick in there which was nice and And made the kind of the point of the tournament that was really crucial was on 7 and 8. I made two really big putts, like a 10 and 12 footer for pars. Both of them, just to kind of keep the round going. You know, everything was pretty tough at that point. I had to make a couple of good par saves.

Wasn't it hitting too many shots close after five? Kind of had a 35 footer on six, and then, you know, I got up and down on seven and eight that really kind of kept the round together. And then on the back just kind of kept hitting it to 20 feet and barely missing, and then finally hit a good wedge shot in there on 14 and made it from about 12 feet and then you know part in. Mr. short one on 15 which was kind of sad but you know two put it on 16 17 18 to to get it done.

Have you played in the last group a lot? I feel like that's got to be that's got to be kind of a first in a while right on a Sunday. Yeah I mean guess the last one, my first event on the PGA tour was saying that Bay at the Safeway was probably the last one, the last one. So that was a while ago. So what, I mean, what was that like Sunday morning? Were you extra pressure? What was, what was the, the vibe? You know, it was kind of weird because I was, we were originally supposed to go off in two two sims And I was supposed to play with Maverick And the second to last group and then there was a big fog delay again

And they kind of sent out a text saying hey, we're going to three balls Here's your new tea time and I happen to be in the final group. So it was kind of You know, it wasn't like sleeping on playing in the final group or anything like that. But it was fine. I've been playing well, so I kept just telling myself to keep doing the same things I've been doing for the last couple months and kind of really stuck to that game plan of just hitting a lot of greens, trying to make some pots and taking advantage of the opportunities when I got a really good number or kind of green light, and then just kind of hit towards the middle of the green on some of those shots that weren't perfect numbers and it worked all week.

It kind of has been working the last few months. So it was nice. What's, you know, I don't keep me to keep kind of bagging on like, man, you really haven't been in contention a lot but I'm curious, you know, it's got to be a different a different feeling to you know You play a shitload of tournaments, which we're gonna get to in a minute Just looking through your schedule. You've you've played a ton the last four or five years But like I said, I mean, I'm not a ton of that has been kind of like coming down the stretch Sunday afternoon So I'm just curious how you seem to handle it so well, you know, coming in bogie free on Sunday and just kind

of like you said, hitting comfortable shots and two putting your way to victory seems like kind of veteran stuff. Well, again, I've been playing really good the last four or five weeks, you know, been right there, a bunch of top 10s, you know, and, you know, been right there, bunch of top tens, you know, and, you know, not all of those, I'd been in contention. They were kind of just like hanging around, a couple of good rounds, but not ever, not really ever threatening to win. So it was definitely new kind of being back in that situation on Sunday, but at the same time, I've won a lot of golf tournaments growing up, maybe not on the PGA tour or the web.com tour, I guess

the corn fairy tour, but winnings kind of the same anywhere. You just kind of either have it or you don't. So it was nice to kind of show myself that I still have it and hopefully get some more. What's your most memorable win outside of this one? I won the state Am when I was a senior in high school. That was that was pretty fun. What was that like? I mean it was cool if my dad wanted it. You know it's obviously like the biggest tournament in Utah.

So it was just cool to match play tournament. So I've been playing well all week and 36 whole final on Sunday had a bunch of family and friends out there and played pretty good. So that was fun. That was a good one to kind of hang my hat on. It's kind of wild that this happens, you know, the week of the windum. If you go back two years, you know, obviously you missed missed your card, you know, finished, you were missed your number

of 126 by a point back in 2017, one point behind JJ Henry. I mean, you know, what a thrill it was to be able to watch him in 2018. But it's curious what what you remember about that week and just kind of, you know, we'll kind of get to all the stuff that's happened since, but starting on that week at Wyndon, what do you remember about that? Well, I mean, I was 125. I mean, I was 120 going into that week in basically a position that no one's ever not

moved on from. You know, I think the most it had ever moved was like three people. So kind of going in the whole week everybody was like, oh you're fine, you're fine. And I was like, you know what, I still need to go. I need to go make the cut. And you know, if I make the cut, I think I'm golden. And when I played okay, I think the first day was kind of battling the second day and made like the biggest putt of my life on the ninth hole my last hole of the day on Friday like a 25 footer up the hill knew I needed to make it to make the cut thought it was

basically to assure keeping my card and just buried it right in the middle. It was so pumped. You know, the whole day that's kind of all I'm thinking about is, you know, if you go out and make the cut today, you're gonna get a couple of points. No way. Six people are gonna pass you. It's like unheard of. And so to make that was really cool. Then I went out the next day just kind of, I mean, just played like shit, basically, shot a few over. Actually had some close calls coming down the stretch on like 15, 16, 17, where I think I made a good birdie on 16, stuck one close on 16 and missed it, and then stuck one close on 17 and missed it, and ended up MDFing by a couple, maybe like one or two,

and just kind of still thinking, you know, I'm okay. I kind of had it all like mapped out that night. I'm a little OCD about it, kind of freaking out. Like, you know is this is the only situation where I could possibly not make it and it was like the perfect storm and it was it was it was kind of crazy because there was about there was about 12 or 15 people that had a chance to pass me. And about like eight of them were playing in the morning, or seven or eight of them were in the morning like first off. And none of those guys passed me,

which was crazy because there was only like five people left that could even theoretically pass me coming up in the afternoon and every single one of them just went like full blackout. I remember like Flores making a hole in one. Rory Sabatini shooting like 61 and like all of this is like okay you know this is this is okay know, we just need like one person not to do something crazy. And then I remember like Johnson Wagner, shanking one in the water on 15 that, you know, slid him down from like, because he was having a good week, you know, he went from like fourth place to like 10th place. And so that allowed everybody that was behind him to move up a couple of spots. And I mean, it was by fractions of points at that point. So every single shot that everyone, you know,

every single shot coming in from everyone was moving everybody's points, you know, fractionally. And so it was pretty crazy, because it was on my birthday and I'm sitting there just like, sitting and dying over everybody's shot, watching everyone, you know, got everyone pulled up on shot track or going like, okay, you know, all I need, you know, all I need is this person to par or, you know, this person not to like birdie the last two holes. And you know, and that was the moment when like Flores made a hole in one. And that was like, okay, this is getting a little dicey now. And then it came down to JJ Henry and he blocked one like way right

on 18, like almost out of bounds, just left to the car path. And I remember the chin button texting me going like JJ Henry's right right no chance you can birdie from there. Pin was back left and he hit this like gross hybrid to like 15 feet, maybe like seven, maybe like seven feet above the hole. Still like a dicey pot like no way you're going to make this pot to keep your torque hard. And this thing just like that gulped up by the left edge like no chance it should go in. The purple mom of the strikes again. Yeah, yeah, at least from my point of view. I'm like, are you kidding me?

That puck goes in like, come on. So, and it was crazy because, you know, if you, 125, you're onto the playoffs, the Barclays or whatever it was at that point. I was just so like, get me home, get me out of here. Like, I don't even want to be thinking about this that I just hopped on a plane and everyone was like, well, what if you make it? And I was like, I don't even care. I'll fly back to New York like tomorrow. Like, you know, like, I just like, I can't even think about this right now and sure enough, you know, I ended up JJ Henry made that putt on 18 but Johnson Wagner still had a chance to birdie a couple holes coming in or anybody really like, you know

Like I said, it was like fractions of points So it was kind of wild, you know, just hoping for somebody to like birdie the last couple holes to, to, you know, get in a tie with JJ Henry. So he didn't get, you know, that extra half a point. But, you know, it was pretty crazy. It sucked for sure. It was like the most, they had the worst birthday ever. Well, well, again, not to, not to keep, you know, digging into this more and more, but the story has a happy ending as we kind of covered at the beginning here. So I don't feel too bad doing it. But when you're talking about fractions of fractions of points, I think there was like

six cuts or something that you missed that year by a shot. And when you're talking about fractions of points like that, it's basically comes down to one shot over the course of an entire season. I mean, did that drive you nuts? Are you sitting in your room going over tournaments and thinking about shots or are you able to like block that out? I mean a little bit, but at the same time, like you're saying like, you know, yeah, yeah, like six or seven cuts that I made on the or missed on the number like by one, but at the same time, every shot from anyone the entire year not just you know what I mean Yeah, like any any tournament that JJ Henry played in the entire year that if he took 57th and tied with five people Any shot from any of those people behind him better or worse from him or anybody in the field

So it's just like I mean, it's too crazy to fathom or think about that, you know, I've always been pretty good at not, you know, dwelling too much on the past, but that was definitely a rough like reality check. Like, what were you doing? Like, like, could you not, you know, why did you have to miss the secondary cut there? Kind of, it sucks not being able to play on Sunday. Sunday was my birthday,

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Because sometimes on the broadcast, I mean, it gets painted as like, oh my God, like this guy's gonna have to go in unemployment. He's not gonna, he loses his insurance, you know, all this stuff, or is, you know, I think you played 20 PJ tour events the next year or something like that. So, how does that work?

I got pretty lucky because they had done something to the fall schedule where they had added something to the fall schedule where they had added maybe a couple more events. Right, okay. Asia. So I ended up getting in every single fall event. And I was the first person to get in the field after the web guys.

So usually like the web guys, not all of them get in like Safeway and Vegas and mya coba like the you know 10 or 12 web.com category guys don't make those fields usually. So I got really lucky that I ended up getting in everything in the fall. So I had every opportunity to play well enough, you know what I mean. And you have to play good in the fall to stay on top of your category. And I obviously couldn't improve any, you know, I was the top of the 126 to 150 category. So all I could do is move down. So I knew that I had to play good and I just didn't play as good as I could have. And ended up moving down four or five spots. And didn't get in a few of those events on the West Coast. Like I didn't get into Sony, which kind of sucked because I had lost by a shot the year before.

And a couple of years before that I had taken like six. So that was a week where I was like, okay, well, if I could get into Sony and then I missed the Monday qualifier by one, bogey the last hole to miss. So that kind of sucked. So it was just kind of like, it was just like a nightmare, like a couple of months, not playing good, and at the same time going like, man, like you said, thinking back, like if I would have one shot better anywhere the entire year, and I'm not in this situation, trying to figure out where my next start's going to be,

because that is the one tough thing. It's like I was the last person in in my Acoba. I was one of the last people in in the safe way. So it's kind of hard to plan a schedule and kind of get yourself mentally ready to go play a golf tournament, you know, not knowing if you're going to get in the field that week. But you're just kind of on standby for the whole year. Yeah. But like you said, I did get in like 20 events.

So that's like, that's a full schedule. So, but I did get lucky because it was the first time that anybody in that 126 category had gotten into those fall events like that. So beyond that, then, you know, kind of back half of the year, you're splitting more time between kind of there in the web tour. And I'm curious what that mentality is like, because you've kind of heard from a lot of people that end up having to do that.

I mean, you kind of end up shooting yourself in the foot on both tours a little bit. And I know yours was a little different because you would have played all the PJ Tour events you could possibly get into. But it's a tough thing to break it between those two tours. Yeah, it is really weird because you're playing your PJ Tour schedule, wanting to get in any tour event you can.

But at the same time, you then have periods where you don't get in for three or four weeks in a row. And you're like, well, I should go do something to stay sharp, maybe. So you think, oh, we'll all go down and play the corn fairy tour for a couple of events. But then when you get into that, then you're not fresh. When your back getting starts on the big tour, you're just more worn out. Because now all of a sudden, you're just more worn out because now all of a sudden you're playing

15 to 17 PGH or events and 7 to 8 web.com events and the points don't cross over. And then you're just in a situation where you're like, why did I waste time even messing around with one or the other? You need to really just pick one or the other. You need to really just pick one or the other. You can sit there and go, okay, if I go have a solid year on the web and just put all my eggs in that basket and have a solid year, I can get my card back or you go, you know, if I have one or two good weeks on the big tour, I can do everything that I was going to do on the web, you know, to try and get status that way. So it is really just a weird situation that is kind of unfortunate, but at the same time

you're still playing golf for a living, so it's not the end of the world. Right. So then basically after last year, then you're kind of leaving, like you said, both tours a little, you know, a little bit without a country kind of after that, right? I mean, you had, I guess, conditional web status to start this year. Yeah. So after that year, I finished 126. Like you said, I got in like 20 PGA tour events. I ended up taking like 170th or something like that on the FedEx Cup,

which is not good because then you don't, then you're not in that one 26 to one 50 category, which really is big because you like, you know, you're going to get a bunch of starts and you're going to then you're not in that 126 to 150 category, which really is big because you like, you know, you're going to get a bunch of starts and you're going to, you're still a member of the tour and you can get, you know, it's just a big deal. 126 to 150 is so much better than finishing 151st. So, so yeah, I went back to Q school, even though I didn't really need to, I was going to have Status from making web finals like I was going to get in the first few events on the

Yeah, it's like the first four or something. Yeah, I was going to get in before the first reshuffle They, you know, they tell you you don't really know and they don't really ever They don't really ever tell you for sure. They just say, this is what it's been in the past. So, you know, you don't really know for sure. So I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll go back to Q school because if I finish inside the top 40 or whatever at Q school, I can guarantee myself eight starts and that's better than guaranteeing yourself maybe four starts. So then I go back to Q school and I play really good for like whatever, I don't know, I think it's four days now.

I played really good. I felt like and just whipped outputs like on the last three holes of the final day and end up taking like 40 second. So it was like, why did I even go to Q school and waste my time? Now I have the same status that I, you know, basically would have had by not even going to Q school and I just wasted like a week and a half of, you know, when I could have just been home hanging out. But I got lucky, I got in the first couple of events on the of the schedule the next year in February or whatever of the schedule the next year in February or whatever and played good the first event took 6th or 7th which is so big you know not having any for sure status going into the year

kind of walks you up through the basically the rest of the year you know what I mean. So I knew that I was going to be okay and have a place to play the rest of the year, which was nice because that you know If you're only guaranteed the first three or four starts and you go out and lay an egg then you're really kind of Hot with your pants down not knowing what to do, you know Do I go Monday qualifier or do I wait until I maybe get in some events in the summer? So it was really nice and I felt really just, I was so pumped that I played well that first week,

kind of had a really big back nine when I needed it and kind of guaranteed me some starts going forward. And then hit a little bit of a cold spell right after that for a little bit, but then kind of got it going later this summer. And it was, uh, yeah, nice to, nice to get playing well again. Yeah, that's for the story, you know, it gets it's happy ending. I was speaking of, I heard you mentioned kind of in your post-round interview and stuff on Sunday, just some of your

whether it's attitude stuff or or just kind of, um, you know, lack of perspective or whatever that you said you'd kind of been going through and and we're ready to either take a break or get your card. I'm curious if you can speak to that a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it's just been, you know, it was, I mean, all everything has a different look, the way somebody's looking at it, right? But it was a pretty shitty couple of years. Going from my rookie year finishing 50th on the FedEx Cup points, getting in every single tournament

the next year, all the invitations, not having to worry about anything, then making the FedEx Cup playoffs like the next couple of years and getting to plan a schedule and not have to worry about any of that to missing it by a shot and then playing shitty golf the next year and then kind of struggling on the web for a few months. It kind of all weighs on you. Every missed cut and every bad finish, you're trying to figure out what you did wrong. And then, but in all reality, it's like, you're not really probably doing anything wrong except thinking about it too much

or worrying about it too much. And I kind of just stepped back. I actually saw an article maybe like three months ago about Brooks talking about, right, when he, I think it was Brooks, when he got out there on the challenge tour, he was like, you know, we should, like, let's go make the cut. And he was kind of always, you know, right around the cut. And he was like, you know what, let's just win. And like you know what let's just win and then he won and then he went

up you know then he went up to the European tour and was like all right we're on like the European tour now let's just like try and make some cuts same thing was always right around the cut and it was like you know screw this let's like win let's win some tournaments one you know got it got his ranking high enough to come over to the PGH tour and kind of fell into the same thing was like, oh, this is like the biggest tour in the world. Let's just go make some cuts, kind of fall right in the same trap, right around the cut line all the time. And then was like, what are you doing?

Every tour you've been on, you've won, like just win. And then he started winning. And I was like, that's the mindset that I need to have is like for the last few years, I'm like, well, if we could like make some cuts, that would be good. And then I think right after the US Open, I was going into the Utah Week. And I was like, you know what, like you're good enough,

like you are, you're good enough. You play with all these guys all the time. And you're just as good as everybody else. You just need to go like win. And kind of got into contention, you know, that week in Utah and then played pretty well the next week in New York and then had a good week in Omaha and had a good week in Springfield where I played well before and then I had a lot of confidence, you know, a lot of friends kind of pushing me and, you know, telling me like, all right, now it's like time to go get it done and finally got it done.

So it was definitely nice. It's got to be almost like when guys get into into contention. And that's why I brought that up at the beginning is, you know, it's so impressive to see, to see, you know, someone who hasn't been in that situation too many times go out and played Bogey free golf is like you see it all the time where people, you know, they see their name at the top of the leaderboard on Sunday or they're playing the last group or whatever and all of a sudden it just becomes like, okay, four corners off. And off And it's man like let's just slow it down. Let's just get this thing across the finish line and and I think you heard Shane Lowry talk about that a lot at the at the open this year where he was talking about blowing that You know, whatever that was three four shot lead at the at the US open at Oakmont and how he just changed everything that he possibly was doing the first three days and

changed everything that he possibly was doing the first three days. And I imagine it just kind of like sweeps you up like quickstand or something. So yeah, it's cool to hear kind of more insight on that feeling. It was a really weird situation on Sunday. Like I said, I've won at every level that I've played at. So I know what it takes to win, and I love winning, and I know how to win. So I knew I could win, but then you have to really go out and do it, which is different than knowing you can.

But I went out there, and I knew I'd had some chats with some people, like one of my old caddies, Andy Martinez, would always talk about like Tom Laman, you know, just trying to make like four bogies or less for the week. He was like, if, you know, if Tom could make four bogies or less, he knew that he would be in contention that week. And I always like, whenever you would tell me that story, I was like, dude, what are you talking about?

Like that's so like obviously yeah like like duh you know you just need to go out and like play good though like that that shouldn't matter and I was literally sitting in Savannah by myself like I don't know however many months ago and I was on the phone with my friend, Chad, and I was like, dude, I'm just gonna like go out and like not do anything except like hit the middle of the greens and like not go for any par-fives, I'm just gonna give myself like a bunch of wedges because I'm like one of the best wedge players I've ever seen and I'm a putter, and I'm just gonna like not go make mistakes. And I went out and had a pretty good tournament without like putting good. It wasn't like a great finish or anything, but it was like something to build on.

And I was like, dude, I think I've got it figured out a little bit. And he was like, well, just keep doing the same stuff. And then you kind of fall into some traps of, you know, trying some new things to just get that little edge and try and get a little better when, again, like in all reality, you just need to keep doing the same things. Like, I had figured it out that week. But I was still trying to, you know, tweak things and, you know, fix stuff. And then really in Utah Utah I was just like you know I was talking to Tron and I was like dude if I can have one week this year if I can have four bogies or less coming in and any of the next like 10 events I'm gonna get my

card and I and I got closer I got closer a lot of those weeks you know it was like eight bogies for the week and then then seven, and then five, and then six. And then finally, this week, I had a good round, the first round. I made two bogies, and I was so pissed because I shouldn't have made any. I shouldn't have made any of that first round. And then I had no bogies the next day, and I was like, okay, now we're on track. We could have won the next two days and do it. And you're going to be in contention if you do that because you're playing well. And then I had one bogey on Saturday. And

I was like, okay, like, you know, you can do this. Now you got three bogus for the week. If you have none tomorrow, you're under four and you're going to be right there to win. And so that was like the whole mindset, the whole day, whatever I had to do to not make any bogus, I knew I could make birdies out there because I can get to a couple of the par-fives and you know I had a couple of wedges in and I mean it was so nice like I call no bogies rounds trophy balls and it was just like always something my dad growing up would just like beat into my brain like how important trophy balls were and it was the same thing with like Andy. I was like well no shit like you

know like obviously no bogies is like good like like obviously but I never really understood like just how important it is just to not make bogies but it was so it was so cool to have around like that yesterday where I kind of grinded it out and made a couple of really big parputs to not get those bogies, you know, in the middle of the round and kind of stay right in contention. But then it was really weird. I got down to like the last four holes and I'm a big leaderboard washer and I'm like sitting there going like, okay, I'm in first,

so I'm at 17 under right now or 16 under, I don't know whatever I was at that point on like 14 or 15 and there was really only like four guys that really had a chance, you know, and I was playing with a couple of them in Maverick and a couple of them were ahead of me. And I was like, oh, all we really need to do is take a top four, and we'll probably get our card, or at least it'll be close enough to where if we have a good week next week. And I had to keep fighting. There was that angel on the left side of my wing

or on the left side of my shoulder. And the devil on the right side of my shoulder going on the left side of my shoulder and like the devil on the right side of my shoulder Going like fuck that like you go in, you know like like like stop thinking that because that's that's the same Trap of like hey, just go make a cut, you know if we go make the cut that's the right week So so it was really funny because there was there was three or four times coming in the last four holes where I was like We could like bogie out and we would like take a top four and like get our card. And I had to be like, I had to like snap myself out of it and be like, dude, go just win. If you win, there's no if ands or buts, you're getting your

tour card. You know, you never know the other way. And so it was, it was, it was really cool to kind of fight all those little things coming in and improve for myself. I could do it and get it done. And, you know, I made a good putt on the last hole that was a lot longer than everybody thought. Yeah, that's what you were saying this morning. That looked a lot closer than it was, huh? Yeah, I mean, I mean, everyone was cheering after I, after I lagged it up there to about what people from behind, you know, maybe looked like a footer to. And when it was more like three to three and a half on like Poana Greens kind of blowing a little bit, you know, with the tournament on the line, and I was kind of like, oh man, this would be so embarrassing if you if you missed this. But I ended up being not nearly as nervous as I thought I would

over the pot. I think kind of the instincts just took over a little bit and just made it right in the middle, which was so big. I mean I was so excited. I didn't know if I was gonna like cry or if I was gonna you know like be in shock or what. But it was just like normal, just business as usual and just felt like another win, just like any of the other ones I've had. Well, you sent us a video from underneath the grandstays where you can still literally hear people cheering from the last spot, which is pretty good.

That was a highlight for me for the day. So I mean, I feel like I've heard you kind of talk about the mentality a bunch of times. I mean, I have written in my notes the question kind of what was the biggest lesson of the last two years. And it seems like it's that, but I'm curious if it's that or something else. I mean, it's just kind of a lot of things.

It's having a good attitude. It's just kind of like trusting the process, doing the same thing over and over. I remember, so I had four good weeks out of five or five out of six. I think I took like a ninth or something in Utah and then I took a tenth the next week and then I missed the cut the next week in Denver and I played really good. Did the exact same stuff that I did the weeks before. I just missed some pots. I didn't put as well as I had the couple other weeks and I was talking to my friend again and I was like dude it's all right. Did everything the same. I'm not going to change one thing and I'm going to go play good in Omaha.

And that's what I did. I didn't worry about it one bit to where, you know, the two years or three years before, I think I would have tried to find something to change, you know, whether it be my putting or some clubs or anything, just like finding something to kind of blame that mist cut on or find an excuse to why it didn't work that week when it was just the putsting going. It's too many Puts.

And I just couldn't make any Puts. So I think it's a combination of things, you know, and then just like that stupid thing like Andy and my dad said, it's like just make less bogies, which, you know, seems to work. So I got to meet your dad for the first time at the US Open this year.

Describe him for someone who has never met him. I mean, he's the best. He's awesome. He's like a golf whisperer. He's just like, he doesn't even do a lot of whisperer when I met him. He's definitely a little different. You know, he loves golf.

He's just a total golf junkie, kind of like me, but definitely a little different. He was describing his experiment. What are my favorite things I've heard? He was describing his experiment to prove, basically that the ball goes too far. And that, and that he's still among, yeah, among if not the best players of the world, which is,

he's like, I just drop my I drop my ball Where Dustin hits his ball where he hits his t-shirt like I drop my ball there. No, no, no, no No, he drops it. He drops it So if Dustin Johnson hits it 50 yards past my dad my dad's dropping it 50 past Dustin Johnson, okay Right right so I see I see I see okay I see. I see. I see. Okay. 30, you know, my dad's dropping it at 380, saying like, well, if I hit it, 50 yards past the number one player in the world, like, no shit, I'm going to be good too. You know, like, I don't even have to put right. Okay. And I'm going to go shoot like 63 or 64,

which is, you know, I think I think he's kind of got him. Yeah, I think so too. I think when he was describing it to me, I was picturing it as him dropping it where Dustin was, he's like, yeah, and then I shot 63, I was like, shit man, like that. That's really good. Like yeah, maybe you do have a point, but I didn't realize it was another 50 yards V on that. That makes it less impressive.

You know, respect. Another for Dave. But he is, he is really good. I mean, he's like, he's unbelievable at golf. Like, the best player I've ever seen. Hits it dead straight, unbelievable. Like Iron Player, great chipper and putter, and just somebody that just didn't hit it far enough.

Honestly, I just probably didn't hit it far enough and just could never kind of break through. But he's been a huge help with me. It's nice having somebody like that that knows everything about your game and can kind of pick up what you're doing wrong within 10 seconds of seeing it. Like I've been playing really good

but maybe just fighting the Draver a little bit the last three or four weeks and he showed up to the event last week, maybe 10 minutes before my tea time in the first round. And I was like, how does it look? And he goes, well, I think you need to change your grip, which was like a little like, yeah, yeah. I was like literally hitting my last driver.

And he was like, you know, you need to, you just need to do this like right here. And it was just a little simple change, but still like, what are you talking about? I've like, I've had like four top 10s in the last five weeks. Like, I don't need to be changing anything right now. And he was like, this isn't a change. This is like where it needs to be. And drove it really good all week. So it was like, you know, here, shout out to Jimpup.

The recoil on the 18th T was impressive. If you went back and saw the video, that was pretty good. No, I haven't seen it. You should check it out. It was pretty, pretty soft. That was a good drive. I got up on that T and there's a bunker like 270 down the right. That's like the only place you can't hit it

It's like kind of semi-chip out if you get it up against the lip And I was like I'm one shot ahead I had just seen Maverick leave it in the short bunker or in the bunker short on a second shot And I was one shot ahead of the guy I was playing with and I I was like, kind of, I was talking to my caddy. I was like, do you think we should hit three wood? Like it takes the bunker out of play, but then we're gonna be hitting like a seven iron in, maybe a six iron, like, but I'm still going way left

of the pin, you know, I'm not firing at that pin. And he was like, dude, you hit your driver's your best club in your back, just smoke. And I just smoked it. Hit it perfect right down the middle which was so nice and it was just great. It was good. I hit a good shot, kind of 35 feet left of it and you know, two putted which was awesome. I mean, two putts for the wind that's kind of like what you dream of right? Well, I know, so we're talking about Drivers we're talking about driving the ball. You know, this is a fairly obvious talking point when it comes to your game

But let's talk about driving distance a little bit you are 140 eighth out of 151 on the corn fairy tour the KFC tour as as many people like to call it Yet who's who's behind me? Let me look that up. I would honestly like I would be shocked if there's anyone that's Honestly, so do you wear it as like a is it a point of pride now at this point or what? No, I mean, I think there's like a lot of people that are right in my range, you know, not a lot But you know, there's there's 15 or 20 that are like I Wouldn't say that I hit it past them or they hit it past me.

It's kind of like, we all hit it about the same. So the people who are behind you are Billy Kennerley, Steven Alker and Jimmy Beck. I mean, I haven't played with a lot of those guys a lot. So I wouldn't know. But again, like, there's no way that what's the, does it say the distances? You're it. I mean, it can't be more than like you're at two eighty five point two. Billy two eighty two point six and then two eighty two two seventy eight. So you're flying it past you me back. There's a I've picked up some. I was gonna ask that I didn't want that to sound like patronizing. I'm like yeah you're 148 out of 151

But like when I played with you seems like you've gotten a little bit longer I think my like few years on tour. I was I was always right around 278. That was kind of like That was my number was 278 So I think that 285 is a little misleading But maybe I got some firm weights where I hit our box. I remember I will never forget Cadi. I was Cadi for you for practice round at Atlantic Beach Country Club, the web tour finals a couple years ago and it was like Monday or Tuesday or whatever and they're they're figuring out where to put the crosswalks. Do you remember that on

10 and the lady comes up to us in the middle of the route just like, Hey, so we were going to put a crosswalk here. It's just like normally where you're trying to hit it or because like everybody else has been like way further up. That's just normal stuff, man. It's so sad. It's like, I hit it so short. Well, so what's your perspective on that or what I mean, what's your perspective on that?

What's your what's your feeling on that? Obviously it's something that you think about a lot. I mean, it's just how I play, you know, I do a lot of different things. I play a driver and kind of like a setup that is probably not like optimal for distance, but I know that I can hit the shots that I need to with it. So I could go out and get another 15 yards probably, but it would be, you know, I would sacrifice some accuracy and I just don't feel like that's worth it because I just don't

make like a lot of birdies and stuff from the rough. I think I need to be in the fairway. So I'm a good iron player though. I hit my iron is pretty good and I'm a good putter and chipper. So as long as I can get it in the fairway and get it on the green, you know, I feel like I have a good chance. Yeah, I mean, so the stats we didn't mention your second on tour and driving accuracy and third in scoring average. So I guess who's first in driving accuracy? Brock McKenzie. You've got 15 more rounds though than Brock also.

So you know, it's a smaller sample size. So what about the iron zen? I mean, how do those, how do those factor in everybody looks at like driving distance, but can you kind of set level set for me? So if you have a stock 190 yard shot, you're hitting what? No wind, no elevation, no anything. And if it's like hot, I can hit a six iron probably, but probably just like a nice five most times, whereas Brooks and DJ and Rory and those guys are hitting like what, seven?

Probably, I don't really know, like, honestly, because everybody has like different life. Yeah, it's true. And loft and everything like that. So it's kind of hard to tell. But yeah, I would say I'm usually like, at least a club more than people, right? So if they're hitting a seven, I'm hitting a six.

And then when you factor in that they also hit it, like 20 past me, that's where it starts getting a little dicey. You know, they're 20 by me plus they hit like two clubs less than me. What was the, did you have any rounds on tour that were just like extra glaring in that regard? I mean, paired with anybody that just like extra glaring in that regard. I mean paired with anybody that that just like hit it. Yeah, I played with Brooks one time in Phoenix and I remember I will never forget he like gets up to the eighth t box and there's a bunker on the left and he looks at his caddy and goes like, I can cover that right.

And his caddy is like, yeah, you got that. And I was like, I flipped, pulled out my rubbish book so fast. And it was like, it was like a 309 cover. And I was like, it was cold. It was still like morning. And it's like, I was like, it was cold, you know, it was like still like morning and it's like, I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I couldn't even get to the bunker. Like the bunker, it's on the left side of the hole and it's not even, I don't even register that bunker being on the hole.

And he was like, I can cover that. And I'm like, what the heck? And then I remember the whole before, I hit like a five iron from like 192 hundred. And he hit like an eight iron. And I'll never forget my friends were all there watching and they saw him pull out eight iron. He hit it like four feet. And I'm hitting five iron.

And I was like, I mean, that doesn't seem right. Like, sitting at seven or an eight iron, I just hit five iron. So the two sides of it are kind of like the technology versus the skill and obviously hitting it that far is a skill. Like nobody can argue that, but is it hard to not get resentful of seeing those kinds of things?

Or how does that feel? Yeah, I mean, I think you always get in situations where you kind of get like, like some people look at it like if I ever say anything about distance, like, oh, you're just mad that you don't like hit it far. And I'm like, well, like, I'm definitely mad that I don't hit it far, but it's like not as hard to hit it far. Everything's like exponentially, you get such, everything gets, the harder you hit it, you know, once you get to a certain, like club head speed and ball speed, the, it just goes so much further every like one mile an hour harder you hit it. You know what I mean? So I could go out there and I just like can't swing it any

harder than I do right now. You know not much harder and I can never get it. You know I just don't have the physical you know gifts to do that. So it just it's just sucks sometimes thinking like I mean like 20 years ago that wasn't the case. You know what I mean? And now it's kind of gotten to a point where you can't rain it back and you know it's just the way it is now. But I think there's definitely situations where there's like skills being lost in the game. You don't like long iron play and iron play in general is kind of like more of a lost art in golf. You know, there's definitely still like really, really good iron players.

But I mean, like a lot of the good players right now, like they don't even hit irons in to a lot of holes anymore. You know, you're just hitting like nine irons and wedges all day, getting to every par five and two. And golf is a lot different when you can get to every par five and two. Then when you can't. Yeah, no, it's, it's crazy. Like I know this is cherry picking, cherry picking stats and you can kind of make

stats say whatever you want, but I was just digging through some of your numbers and stuff and like, so like a 2015, if you look at your season 2015, I was looking at approaches from 175 to 200, right, where you're hitting those kind of like mid-Irns and whatever. You had 275 attempts at that. And this year, Brooks has had 97. So granted, like, he's played a lot less events. And I was even looking at like SungJM, who. M. who is someone who hits it kind of medium-length and has played a ton of events more comparable with what you did.

But even still, he had, you know, it was like 50 less attempts or something like that. And it's just, when you really extrapolate, you know, 50 attempts that, you know, one guy has 120 and one guy has 160, it's like, dude, you know, how much does that add up over the course of a season? It's just wild. And that's what it is. And it's just fractions of shots all year. So those that add up, they might not add up one week. But when you look after 30 events or 27 events,

like those five or six seven shots are huge. I mean, I should know, I took 126 that one year. If I was hitting pitching wedge into 30 more holes or 50 more holes that year, I can promise you, like I would have picked up a half a shot somewhere. Yeah, exactly. Well, so speaking of some of those like, what's the deal with playing so many events? Are you going to keep that going next year, you think, or what's the,

what's your plan there? Well, next year and now, I'm kind of in a situation, again, where you're in the blackout. You're kind of limited to what you can get, I guess. So, you are limited, but at the same time, you kind of need to play enough to reshuffle. You know what I mean? So, but it is a weird, it's kind of a, you gotta walk a fine line there. And I've learned that for sure, that my first couple of years out there,

I just felt like, I just felt like I was giving so much away if I wasn't playing, and was going to lose so many spots and I just kept playing and kept playing and kept playing and you kind of wear yourself down to where you're not playing at the best of your ability. You're just not physically and mentally able to. You just can't do it. You see the best players in the world, you know, the top 40 guys, probably, they're probably playing like an average of what, like 19 to 20 events, you know, and

that there's a reason for that, you know, they're peaking and they're peaking at the right time and they know, you know, they know that they can play two or three events leading into a big event and kind of get their game where it needs to be. But they also have that self belief and they've proven it to themselves like, hey, I could go take a couple of weeks off and come back and win or I could come back and have some really good weeks instead of just beating yourself up for five, six, seven weeks in a row and just playing mediocre golf. You know, so that was definitely one thing that like Daniel

Summer Hayes had told me, you know, maybe my first or second year on tour and I just couldn't do it. You know, I couldn't believe it. You know, he was like, dude, you need to, you need to take some breaks because you can go out and rest and then come back and play good the next week. And I was just like, gosh, I just want to keep playing though and keep playing. And that's just how I play a lot of golf. So it's like, honestly, I play as much golf, or at least I used to.

I would play as much golf when I went back home on a week off as I would, you know, when I was out there. So, but it's more of the mental fatigue of things, you know, you start getting, everything just starts to piss you off a little easier and a little more when things aren't going your way when you're mentally tired. So we're talking a little bit about some of the bombers and diminishing iron play skill, I guess, is what we said. I'm curious.

The Cornfairy Tour has a bit of a reputation for for getting increasingly kind of bombing gouge. I'm curious if that was your impression seeing seeing it up close the last kind of year and a half or or what you know the different styles of play or kind of any trends like that that you've you've seen. I think it's such a week to week basis, just depending on weather and how courses are set up because you just you literally can't do that stuff if it gets firm. You know what I mean? Like I know there was there was you know several weeks in a row. Like Utah was super super firm. You know the next week up in New York was pretty firm. So it honestly just depends. I mean, if you get on a soft course where you can do that, like I know Springfield a little bit, got a little softer and you can kind of just hit it

wherever you want, which it kind of sucks. It really does when you sit there and guys just swing as hard as they can. And it's not their fault because it's something that works. They're doing something that you're allowed to do. You're going to hit it as hard as you can. You can get it up there past 3, 10 and hit a wedge in.

And it doesn't matter how soft the course is. Here, how firm the course is, they're able to do it. And that's just kind of everything. From course setup to conditioning, to how far the ball goes now and how well you're able to control shots out of the rough. So it's just a huge mixture of things. But you know, you definitely see it. And I think you see it a little less on the big tour because the courses are just taking care of that much better.

You know what I mean? There's a little more, like, it seems like you play some more weeks that everything's a little firmer. The rough is just a little bit longer. All of a sudden the pins get tucked a little more behind some bunkers and stuff like that. So I mean, you see it on the web or on the corn fairy tour, but I mean, you see it everywhere now. It's just part of golf.

Yeah, I mean, is that the biggest difference kind of between the two tours? Is you just see it to that degree a little bit less on the PGA tour? Yeah. I mean, I think the courses on the big tour are also longer. You know what I mean? I think that's on the big tour are also longer. You know what I mean?

I think that might be the biggest difference. You know, you get courses where a guy isn't getting like 10 wedges in the hand every day. You know, now all of a sudden you're getting like five. And so you can't really bomb and gouge as much when you're hitting like eight irons in. You know what I mean? Can we talk about the US Open a little bit?

Yeah. So talk to me about round one. I know we had dinner the night before, seemed like everything was feeling good and then maybe a little bit of, yeah, what did I shoot? I think it was 83. I think it was 83 83

godson like I everything was good I was playing pretty well I was definitely tired kind of running on fumes I had played you know several weeks in a row leading up to it plus the 36 hole qualifier the week before kind of had a nightmare like travel situation, made the cut on the number or something like that. And at the BMW, I was playing with you and had just like crazy weather delays just sitting around all day. You know, couldn't get out on Saturday or on Sunday. Had to wait till Monday morning and just, you know, a long get out on Saturday or on Sunday, had to wait till Monday morning

and just, you know, a long travel back to the West Coast. But, you know, it got some good practice rounds in, was playing pretty well, loved the course, you know, it was set up so perfect. And just, I mean, like the ultimate getting behind the eight ball like after the first hole I hit a drive right down the middle on 10 had like two 35 in which is like, you know for like hanging lie But it was just like okay hit the green you know hit the green make a par and let's you know Let's get on the horse right here and just I thought I hit an okay shot Pushed a hybrid like right side of the green,

didn't even think twice about it. And it came up like 20 yard short, kicked right down in the hazard. And then the guy I was playing with, stepped on my ball, down in the bushes. And I had to recreate the lie that no one saw. And so the road was sitting there. I have no idea. I had to recreate the lie that no one saw. And so the real picture was sitting there. I have no idea, never heard of it.

And I was like, this doesn't seem right. Like no one saw it, he just stepped on it, like walking down to look for it. And I had to put it like right in the middle of this bush. Like, nowhere where I thought, like this ball probably wasn't here. And the lady was like, yeah, you gotta like, now push the bush, like, nowhere where I thought, like, this ball probably wasn't here. And the lady was like, yeah, you got to like, now push the bush around it, because no one could see it. And I was like, I don't think that's like how it works. And, but at the same time,

I had like, you know, one of those shots that you just kind of like need to splash it up on the green out of the long rough. And I just hit it a little too hard, went over the green, made a double I think. I think I started out. Maybe a triple actually. I don't even know. Who can say? And, you know, who really knows at this point? And, I mean, just like not the way you want to start the US Open, because it's like the ultimate. Okay, now I just got four birds coming in. Exactly, exactly. It's not the place and especially the way you know it is out there, the thick rough, all around the greens, small greens, the wind was blowing a little bit.

It's not really a place or a tournament that you can go chase birdies and try and get them back. You know, it's kind of more of a, let's hold on to this thing and make like five or six bars coming home. And just, I mean, I had such a good mindset going in. I thought I was like, I'm going to play so conservative and like do all the right things and I'm not going to let anything dictate like, you know, I'm not going to let a bad hole like dictate how I play and it was just like through that straight out the window after the triple and was like push one in the right

rough on 11 and was like we need to knock one tight here and it's just like you can't you can't knock it tight from the right rough. Short-sided in the bunker Bogey next tall pin was tucked back left all week I was like back left pins we need to go like 50 feet right of it and put down trying to hit like four iron to like three feet pull it left short side it. I honestly I got I got I had it to the point through like nine holes or ten holes where let's just say I had missed seven greens in regulation. Like six of those greens, I didn't even get the chip on the green. I didn't even hit like three or four greens in over regulation.

It was like, it was the craziest. It was like, I would blacked out. I didn't even know what was going on. And then I played awesome for the last nine holes the first day and grinded my ass off to shoot 83 or whatever I shot. I felt really good about it. And then I came out the next day and did the exact same thing.

Just the worst start ever. I know, I knew at that point, you know, you're not making the cut. You're not, you know, maybe one in a million, you're going to go out there and shoot like 61 or 62 to make it, you know, but I just wanted to go play solid. You know, go just play good, keep good shots, do the right things, and just the same thing. Just like firing at all these pins, and just got so behind the eight ball again where I really had to just sit there and go like, dude, what are you doing? Just play the right golf for like the last 10 holes. I had some stuff on the line with some friends walking around with me that were going to be really bad if I didn't pull off, you know, a great finish. So I kind of had to strap in and make some birdies coming in. But it was, it was, I mean,

it's the US Open. It was awesome to be there. I'm not like ashamed at all how I played. It was just one of those weeks where it was definitely a learning experience. You know, I learned a lot more from missing that cut than I did from the 35th or whatever I took in my US Open that I played at Pioneers. You know what I mean? Because you really learned that you just, you have to stick to your game plan and you can't let One hole. I mean I let I literally let one shot On the first hole of the golf tournament ruined my weight When it really shouldn't you know, I even though I hit it in the bush and had to drop or it had to place it and do all this weird stuff

like I could have easily just hacked out taken a five, got out of there, you know, and had a very nice week. And instead I was trying to make a par. And that's kind of when disasters happen is when you're trying to, you know, make a miracle happen. That's kind of the only reason I even bring it up is I remember talking to you after the round. It's just, you know, hearing, hearing the words like I just completely blacked out, like I don't even remember what happened is maybe the most relatable thing that there is to like the average golfer because that happens to me three or four times

per round. I mean, that's literally how it felt. That's literally how it felt though, for real. I got done and I was like, what the fuck happened like the last like three and a half hours. I was like, okay, I remember like my last six holes, but like what happened that first three and a half hours? Like was I even golfing? Like I could have been playing,

I might have played better left handed. For four hours. How do you think you could shoot left handed? I've played left handed a few times. I got on a kick in it, like one winter when I was down in St. George at my dad's house during college where I would go out and play every day. And I could hit it pretty good. I would play from the red tease because I can't hit it. You know, you don't have the power. It's just a lot different, but I could I could shoot like four or five over for nine holes if I

Didn't hit it in bunkers. Okay, that's a different I was actually it it's just weird, but I was actually a pretty good putter and I could and I could hit it really good But if I got into like a short-sighted situation like like where you had to be like delicate with the wedges, I mean, it was just like a game over. You know, the day was ruined. It was like the first hole to use. A couple quick ones, and then we will let you get out of here. But first of all, so obviously like I keep saying,

you know, the story in the two-year kind of nightmare has an extremely happy ending. You have your PJ tour card back. You're going back next year. We're all very excited. What events are you most looking forward to getting back to? I mean, I hope I'm not playing, but Reno was one four or like a couple of weeks ago. I was like, gosh, damn it.

I love that place. It was so fun. It's just a fun event so so that was one and Hawaii's kind of an easy one I've played well there you know I really like the course and but I mean there's definitely a few in the fall that safe way I've had a couple of really nice weeks out you know shout out to Johnny Miller holy thing yeah exactly you know BYU boy about their Napa so it's very excited to get back there and

Have played well in Mexico. So excited to get there and then you know starting out the the year at my boy Seth Reiner's place TBC old white him and CV McDonald's so would like to just go out and get a win there and just kind of You know hang out with the boys very good. That would be a good plan. Well, there you go. I think it's all the Brooks mentality. Just don't go out there and try and make the cut. Just go win. Yeah, because it's literally like, it sounds

too simple for it to work. You're like, yeah, go out there and try and win. And then go out there and not make bogies like, OK. Sure. But it really is kind of like, okay, like, sure. But it really is kind of like, you just got to do it. So we just posted a Commissioner for a Day Traptor podcast, me and Tron and Randy.

I'm curious what your number one, what's number one on your campaign's agenda if you were a Commissioner for the Day? Well, I mean, for sure, dredging out, you know, all the, that's our grass. I mean, that's a no-brainer. So you try to have a co-versa there. A vote is off.

I think this is what I heard it on, I heard Jeff Ogleville and Andy talking about it on the Friday egg podcast. I think going to one tour for the web and the PGA tour. So it would just be the PGA tour. And there would just be two tiers of events going on each week. And so your category or like people would be like, you know, Brooks would be number one on the priority list to get in an event and say I would be,

you know, 190th or whatever, you know what I mean. And you would just, you would just go to the tournament that week that you got into. And they would have, they would have FedExCutpoint values that were a little different depending on the tier of the event, whether it was a tier one or a tier two. And it would just make everything so much better, I think. Point being, it's kind of easier to move between tours a lot easier. You would think, right? Is that...

We're just happy just to everything. If somebody was playing good in a situation, if you had your card, if someone was playing good, they would move up to the Tier 1 events, right then. You would just, everything is based on where your priority ranking is. So, and if somebody's playing bad, you don't keep getting in events that you shouldn't

be playing in at that time. I like it. Okay, so you are the guest in our next Wild World Golf, which I believe is going to be posted. I'm going to say this just to hold myself to it, but next Wednesday, I believe, whatever the date is on that. It's like the 14th or something Don't give away any spoilers, but I'm curious if you can if you can share what it's like to be in the wild world of golf call Dran I Mean it's great. I mean playing golf with some of my you know best friends at at a place like sweetens cove is I mean, it's just fun. It was fun to have, it was also fun to have it the way we had it with a bunch of people watching, you know,

it was right before the ringer, and we had a bunch of people out there cheering us on. And, you know, it was definitely an interesting format that I think, you may see it replicated in Progolf lately. I mean, it would be crazy if you did, but no, it was great. It was fun. It was hopefully I get the invite back for another.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll certainly put you on the list. Perfect. And lastly, any updates on the TBC, the Buck Club? I mean, it's going great. It's just got a lot of support, which is crazy. So many people around everywhere I go, if people talk about it and ask about it, but really, honestly, the biggest updates, I guess, is still looking for some land. You know, we have a piece of property that we would like to do it at up in

up in Utah, but haven't bought it yet. Still kind of in a little bit of a stalemate. They they want a little too much for the land and we you know, we just don't you know, you can get land for better deals places and we we don't wanna get too deep in the hole right out of the bat. So just looking for some investors still and looking for a nice piece of property to build a place on that we can go have some fun. Investors, possibly you. Exactly.

All right, well, I gotta say I'm a little bummed that we're not gonna be able to defend our like T17 finish at the Greenville BMW charity pro am. Next year, since you're going to be no longer qualified and on to bigger and better things, but you don't know that I can. That's true. Yeah. I think come down for a while. That's true. Yeah. Finger. Maybe, maybe we could pull some strings and get you into the.

Oh, there you go. Yeah. I like it. Now that would be a big one. Cool. I'll make some calls to Randall Stevenson and Clint Eastwood to try to make that happen. Yeah. Yeah. All right, man. Well, congratulations again. It was awesome to watch on Sunday. Thanks for taking some time to go through, you know, kind of all of your deepest darkest secrets of the last couple of years here. And looking forward to watching you out in Portland this week and then beyond, you'll be full send in the Cornfairy Finals, right? Yeah, I think I'm going to definitely play one or two of them and get a couple of weeks

to rest because it's a little different now. I think most of the web, I mean, all of the web guys get in basically everything in the fall. So you just got to go get in basically everything in the fall. So, you just gotta go have some nice weeks in the fall and yeah, plenty of golf coming up. All right, man. Well, take care and good luck this week. Okay, man. We'll talk to you later. today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than most.

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