No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 238: Northern Trust, Bryson's Slow Play, Korn Ferry, & more

Episode Date: August 12, 2019

Bryson set golf twitter ablaze this weekend, and we discuss his slow play video, his reaction, the confrontation with Koepka, solutions to slow play, and the Tour announcing they're re-examining their policy. We also discuss the drama on the Korn Ferry Tour, the U.S. Women's Am, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Just quick aside. I'll tell that's the turn team. Oh my gosh. What a tour to force. Well, I didn't watch much golf this weekend, so we can keep doing this stuff, or you guys can tell us about the Northern Trust, what you guys witnessed today. Which would you rather do? Yeah, so it's about these two athletes.

They know these ones and the actor ones, it's not man. Let's just get through it so we get to Bryson. I know that's what everybody listening is excited for that. I can't wait to hear a big Randy has to say about his best friend. But tell us something about the Northern Trust. Patrick Reed won. I mean, you know,

I don't know, I'm kind of, I'm at a little bit of a loss. I don't, I don't mean to sound like flippant about this. I know it's a big event and it's a big purse and it's, uh, allegedly very important, but it was really tough to, tough to get into, man. The only thing I, positives first was fun to watch A-B answer. I'm psyched. He's going to be, uh, I be, I think, pretty well locked up for a presence, kind of spot. He was fun to watch. And he got into the top 70 for the BMW championship. Which is huge. Like, you know, you don't have to. Lidely hoods were decided. Oh gosh. Well, we're going to get into this in a million different ways, but like the difference between watching

watching that, and I know this is like the biggest hips or take, but the difference between watching that and watching the Portland Corn Fairy event, like it's, it's like two different sports, like it's not even, it's not even close, like it's so much more entertaining to watch. Watch those guys where it really means something and like trying to squeeze drama out of this, like Northern Trust thing where it's like, oh my god, and what a chip in from Troy Merritts. That's he's punching his ticket to Chicago. That's so cool. And you look it up and you're like,

Troy Merritt's won eight and a half million dollars on tour, like who gives a shit if he's going to play one more event or not? Are you really gonna try to make me care about this? Which to your point of view? You said also, 70 to 30 is a lot more interesting. Cause there's a master's birth on the line. That's what hit me this week more than anything

was like, it is cool to see some like, Harold Varner, again, it's the same kind of thing where it's like, do I care if Harold Varner gets into, look, nobody loves Harold Varner more than me. We all love Harold Varner. But it's like, do I really care if he gets into BMW? Like, no, not really. It's cool, it'd be cool if he gets into the masters,

like it'd be his first masters. And if, you know, there's always somebody that kind of blitzes the playoffs and gets into the tour championship and gets a master's invite that way. So like, that's cool. And I'm genuinely interested to watch the tour championship with their weird, like, the new format.

HandyCaf start and all that stuff. But yeah, this week was, there was tough, tough for me to get into. Randy, anything different than? Randy wouldn't shout out about how much he loved it. He felt the playoff form out was great. I told DJ Friday afternoon, I had some time to kill. I flipped on coverage.

Max Homa, one of my star pupils, was in the coverage window. I was like, oh, cool, you know, maybe I'll, maybe I'll get into this. And it just, this is, I just feel like it's so piling on when to complain, but it was terrible. It was, you guys leave it to me to do all the piling on. So please take this away. I get to, it just felt all the golf shots

were out of context there was no like I didn't know what I was looking at it would be like here's a John rom four iron that's cool right and then like here's Dustin Johnson on the tee boy he hits it far wow and then like you guys want to see Rory will Well, here he is. But they showed like six, seven guys. Nobody that I had much particular interest in, like maybe speed, I forget if he was even playing earlier late on on Friday, he may have played early. Time's a flat circle.

Exactly. And it's like Patrick Reed, Matt Kutcher, John Rahm. I'm just like, mm-hmm. That's the hard part, dude. It's just this, it's like Patrick Reed, Matt Kutcher, John Rahm. I'm just like, mm-hmm. That's the hard part, dude. It's just, it's like, and I know this is, it always comes back to like, well, you know, it's better than what it used to be. At the same time, like, that doesn't mean it has to be,

you know, interesting. Like, it's not, it's just, God, it just feels like the same thing, like, week after week after week, after week after week after week. Which is the same guy. We sound the same week after week after week. No, I know, totally. I totally, but that's, that's fair. Like, that's, we week, after week, after week. Which is the same guy. We sound the same week after week. No, I know, totally. I don't totally, but that's fair.

We're always gonna share what we think. We're not gonna turn around and try to pretend this was exciting or that we loved it. We're always, even if that's what you guys would rather here, we can't see her and fake it. You can't fake interest in something like this. And now that the coverage stuff we've totally retired, I think my retirement has been blown up. fake interest in something like that. And now that like the coverage stuff has just,

we've totally retired. I think my retirement has been blown up. I feel like I lost my whole 401K. I gotta get back in the workforce. So you're double dipping. You're back, baby. You're planning on the depression. It's going like.

So I don't, like you said, shots are out of context. And I don't think everything was just, but I don't think it's like a golf channel CBS thing. Like it's not like they're not telling you what hold they're on or who's in the lead. Like they're doing all that stuff, but the problem is like there's so many interruptions that you just don't, none of it sinks in whatsoever. It's two puts and then here's an A on update

and then another putt and let's go to commercial. We're back, here's three shots and then now let's do a FedEx Cup update and let's do an interview with Amanda and now we're over here and now we're in the booth and now we're talking about a CBS dude who like, you know, is retiring and now we're over here doing this and it's like, I fell asleep, which is, you know,

I'm sure pretty standard for a lot of people watching it, but I fell asleep and it was like disorienting because I had no idea how long I was asleep. Like I could have been asleep for 30 seconds or I could have been asleep for two hours because I had no idea where anybody was on the golf course when I fell asleep or who was leading or what was going on. I just felt like I was like, I don't know. I'm back and I have no idea how long I've been gone. What did I miss?

I'm glad you said that because I think that hits too a lot of what I was feeling in that. You know, you have this produced intro and then you have Nansen and Fowdo in the booth and then you have all this FedEx schlock and then you go to commercial and you see two shots and then they're telling you about like MetLife something and then you know a windum and then the A on. And it's exactly right.

It's like, whoa, what is, what is all this? What is all this? Yeah. And then, you know, you look up like I did and it's a half hour later and I'm like, I can remember like, six shots. And none of them, like, I didn't care about any of them. Yeah. And it's like, I'm out.

Yeah. And I literally flipped it off. And that's where I'm at, too. And it's like, I don't mean for it to be piling on. I don't mean for it to be unfair or whatever. It's just like, yo, I'm saying as a golf fan, like, I'm out. I'm good. I don't need anymore. But now, however, however, we're gonna get to all this, like, I know it's later in the agenda,

but watching the Cornfair event this week was like among the most fun I've had all season, like non-major season, watching the Women's Am was among the most fun. I watch more women's Am than anything else. So it's not like a, yo, I'm jaded against watching golf and I'm sick of it, like I fucking love it. I love watching it, like maybe more than ever,

just not that product. I can't of it, like I fucking love it. I love watching it, like maybe more than ever, just not that product. I can't do it anymore. Does it help at all that this is the official end of a CBS, a show? A little, a little. Oh, it helps a lot. It does, for sure. It does.

And I was kind of resistant. NBC's been pretty bad on the commercials as well. They are bad on the commercials without a doubt. And that's I think of like the biggest problem. Like I think the announcers are worlds better and I think the producers are like I don't know what the home talking about with producers and like who's good and who's bad but it seems like the NBC people do a way better job. But there's just there's better continuity between golf channel and NBC. It just sticks. It sticks more. Oh for sure. It feels like

you can actually get it. They're better at producing drama. It's not like this big show about themselves. It's like, they do a better job with big moments and they talk about pressure in a lot better situ, like a lot, they set it up much better than CBS. The whole time, like the feeling you guys are feeling watching it, like at all, none of it means anything because everything just kind of feels the same. You know what I mean?

Like this, at least even if they're faking it a little bit there, Dan, when we did our video with Dan Hicks, I told him I was like, my favorite thing about your guys production is if there's a big putt, a big moment near the end, you guys take time, you zoom in on the leader as he's like stalks the putt, and you talk about all the things that it means.

And it's like, oh God, I cannot wait to see what happens on this shot. And you need that, like even the most hardcore fan needs that kind of set up and like that's just something that the other network just does not ever bother to deliver, I think. It's just hard. Like, I don't know. There's, I think like, maybe I'm just kind of a focus

group of one here, but like the most interesting thing that was going on on Saturday was like, speak after these great two rounds is playing like shit and like struggling hitting it all over the park and I'm like, God, like show me that, like what? And it's just like, oh, here's spieth making a, he's grinding here, here's a 25 footer and, oh, it goes in, I'm like, oh, sweet, okay. I'm like, oh, well, I don't know,

I guess that was for par, apparently missed the green. I'm not sure, I'm like, oh, what do we do, like what, I don't know, I don't know. Did they address the price in situation at all? Did they talk about it all? I mean, I know we didn't watch every. Possibly, I don't know if I haven't watched it. Literally. I'm just trying oh, what do we do? Did they address the price in situation at all? Did they talk about it all? I mean, I know we didn't watch every, possibly, I don't know if we've ever watched it. I'm just trying to make a transition here.

Because even for me, this might be too much coverage. Well, what I was gonna say is like, you're officially unretired, is what you're saying. Well, yeah, I think we've already covered that. But if we're gonna get into like the competition stuff and it's like, you know, again, it's just, yeah, you know, Patrick Reed is like, he's been playing well for a few months now

and trending in the right direction and anyone and then they're gonna have another event next week. I don't know, I guess maybe he'll win again, we'll see. Where I thought you were going, I think CBS is totally ill-equipped to deal with the Bryson situation. Oh, God, yeah. Like in a holistic view. So I couldn't tell you if they addressed it Saturday

or even today, I was... I saw Fowler kind of bucking his head on Twitter about the slow play stuff. He was kind of joining the... Hashtag, he picked up his pitch fork at his torch, which was kind of good. But I don't know how those guys are gonna add any nuance or make it interesting or meaningful

on that telecast. Yeah, it costs us all to mix it up every now and then. For sure, he'll call people out for some things and he doesn't get like a full chance to, you know, really expand on thoughts or something. Like, Dottie has done a lot better with that in recent years too of like giving people take. Like, for a while, it's on such cruise control

that you don't hear anything, but sometimes every now and then like, yeah, they'll say like, oh, he's got to mark that ball or like, they really be direct and it's on such cruise control that you don't hear anything, but sometimes every now and then like, yeah, they'll say like, oh, he's got to mark that ball or like they really be direct. And it's like, oh, yes, that's why you make a shit load of money. 100%. Give us something that we can't see on the screen.

The only thing that I did here on the broadcast, like as far as pace of play and stuff was Ian Baker Finch mentioned one thing that was like, oh, the lead group, they went out in like two hours and 40 minutes. All right. Like what? Okay. So like problem solved or something.

Yeah. He's like, yeah, you know, some people are faster than others. Yeah. Dresses. Yeah. Yeah. In, you know, in closing the PJ tours, a land of contrast. Well, before we get to Rice and Witch, I just, I'm chomping at the bit here to do.

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All right, Bryson. Brandy, defend your king. Just come get your boy right here. Why don't we set the scene for people if they somehow missed it a little bit? A video emerged on Friday of- A video has surfaced. A murder. A Mr. DeChambo taking over two minutes and 15 seconds on a very normal eight foot putt.

He may have lost Mr. Status. It was, I think he was waiting for the grass to grow a little bit to slow the pace down on that putt. Tough scene. Didn't even come close to making it. Jimmy Johnson, who's JT's caddy, had to look away. JT got down into a crouching position, put his head in his hand, and then did a fake, a look at his fake watch.

Fleetwood and his caddy, Fino, were people just befuddled. People were giving me shit. They're like, no, he was, he wasn't looking at the fake watch. He was wiping the sweat off his head. My guys. The fake watch. Let me confirm that it was a fake watch. His fake watch. He did that. Like that. the fake watch, he was wiping the sweat off his head, my guys. The fake watch. Let me confirm that it was a fake watch. He did that, like that.

The fake watch. Yes. And people in the grants, in the stands, which is great by the way. Like JT turned to them and said something about him being really slow as well. Like this was a scene. Bryson didn't take it too well,

that he was getting lambasted on social media. This thing went everywhere. This was an attack. So this was, to quote, to quote, the mob. Yeah, the mobs after him. Well, but it was people on social media.

It was also tour pros, like several tour pros chimed in. But what the hell would they know about slow play? They don't know. They don't know what he's going through out there. He's personally attacked. Luke Donald was world number one. What the hell does he know about playing on tour? It was the next day finishes round, right? And says, let's talk about slow play. I the hell does he know about playing on tour? It was the next day, he finishes round, right?

And says, let's talk about slow play. I'll introduce it and talk about it. Yeah, so somebody, as I, the transcript kind of read, somebody was starting to ask him a question about it. He cut him off. It's like, guys, let's talk about slow play. Let's do it. Come on, I'll bring it up.

So listen to the beginning of this statement. So here's the thing, guys. First of all, it's like he's like talking to his kids. There's three other people playing out there. Well, I mean, there's two other ones, that's fine. And I'm not the only one out there playing golf, right? Is that correct? That, let me interject. That is correct. We've checked. We've checked. We've checked. Most of that is correct. So for example, let me give you one example guys. Stevie Williams.

Love it. What's the prison rule? You go right after the baddest day in there. You punch him in the face, first day. Love it. I played with him at the WGC, right? Guess how long it took us to play that round, the third round, does anyone know?

Might want to go check that out. What is he, what key Steve Williams has a first of all he hasn't played a tournament since he won that one at first. This is the greatest win of my career. Because we were on their tail every single hole playing with Jason Day and Stevie a lot of it's the caddies a lot of it's the other players. A lot of it's the lazy ass Caddies who can't keep up with him, not fast, he walks so fast. This was before he later said, just segue like Job from arrest development.

It's kind of the vibe he puts out. Did that time ever surface? I never saw, I don't know if I've read. I still am, he was playing with him or he was playing behind him. They were playing with them. And I kept, I guess they were high-tailing and played it super fast, that one round. Because if he's saying that's like,

I don't even know what the hell he's saying. I read it like Steve was playing the group behind. And like they were pushing him or something. I guess. But exactly, like, okay. But is he saying like the Cady, like Steve Williams is slow or fast? I don't know what the hell he's saying. He's saying slow, but then he's saying we're pushing the group in front of us. It's a smoke screen It's just now we're not talking about the video anymore. He's talking about this idiotic statement

I want to quote our friend of the friend of the pod Bunky Perkins who basically distilled it down to it. I'm not under arrest. You're under arrest Dollar podcast the Ross Pro? You guys are my host and is now. Well, you I would like you to keep I'd like you to continue. I got copied so much so many of his quotes in here because it's it's it's art. A lot of it's the other players they don't care

about walking fast. I play a different way out there. I take. I'm taking some liberties into how he said it. Now we're getting into slander live, I'm sorry, I'm with the inflection in your voice. I take my 40 seconds, that's allotted. Sometimes over, absolutely, totally agree.

It's maybe 5% of the time. Maybe 5%. So he's timing himself during the middle of all these calculations that he's making. That also might be part of the problem. Are you timing yourself, Bryson? That's true. I'll tell you it's really, but I'll tell you that it's really kind of unfortunate the way it's perceived because there's a lot of guys out there that take a lot of time which interjecting again. I think he's right. Of course. But a lot of slow players. Yes, he's not the

only slow player, but that doesn't like ignore the fact that you're and he's but the way he's all phrasing this is like, yeah, the other players in my group are like slow like they're the ones like holding me up and like they don't walk as fast as I do like we watch that video dude. We didn't wrap your head around how fast I walk you got there then why he took to Instagram and said that we needed carts they players need cars after say fat ass slow players that aren't like him, they need guys. He's like the human guy. Or the geriatric caddies too, like, flaw. Yeah, get those caddies moving out there. Oh, and then he talks about, I hate playing golf. I absolutely hate it. Which I kind of, I couldn't relate to.

Which is the same thing. But, and so I don't even know how much of this to really read. I look, I'm not that sensitive of a guy. I don't get hurt by a lot of things. It's not like I'm throwing clubs and slamming clubs, you know. Which is literally like the only other thing we know about right now. This is the guy who's the three things. He's like he's slow, he throws and slams clubs. He's slammed like green in Mexico to Randy's celebration, but in front of Stevie Williams.

In front of the supers too. I would like to say John Rom. You're right. Hit the green left on mark today. Yeah. On the supers too. I would like to say, John Rom. You're right. Hit the green, left a mark today. Yeah. Absolutely. Just a blemish. I believe. So glad that you have called this.

And then he went and fixed it. I cannot. I'm very classy of Hifteeco fix that mark that he took out. All you have to missing a play. All the supers out there, you guys are in my thoughts. I know this is a hard time. I'm just kidding. I love you guys. So he just blows up this whole crazy smoke screen of saying that he's not the... Again, to this point, he's not the only slow guy, but you can't...

You have to address what just happened there. What happened on that green and for everyone to see it, he knows the PJ... If you're playing on PJ to a live, you know you are. The cameras are out there. Like that, what happened on that green and for everyone to see it, he knows the PJ, if you're playing on PJ to a live, you know you are. Like the cameras are out there. So you know people are watching this. And the fact that he still didn't care and was willing to take that much time. And it wasn't like the wind changed and like, you know, call them off the shot. Like you, that was, it was comical. Like there's, I remember pulling the video up and I was like, oh, there's no way it like goes all the way to the end. Like maybe they say something after he hits the putt. And literally all the video up and I was like, oh, there's no way it goes all the way to the end. Like maybe they say something after he hits the putt and literally the video almost cut off before he finished playing the whole.

Defend your king. Which is gonna be a tough one. The court would like to introduce one more piece of evidence. You didn't even talk about the other shot from the same day where he walked it off. The 70 yard shot that he walked out. I think that's fair. To that one I didn't think that was a big of a deal.

So slow play, Twitter, slow play, like getting upside-down. Are we on the same legal theme or no? Yeah, we are. But we have to pick our cakes here. The whole thing was slow play. And I really hate getting involved in it because we saw the mob happen, the outrage happen.

It happens. This is like the Watergate for slow play, Twitter. This was a big deal. But you play the Panama favors for slow play, Twitter. The same reason I don't get involved with every backstopping thing is like, you have to take, nothing's gonna change. Let's not buddy the water.

No, backstopping is obviously a made-up fish. But the one that happened with Aerie of Jotanagar and Amy Olson was like, all right, this is the one. If nothing happens with this, it's a dead topic. And I have not mentioned it, I don't think, once since then, because it's like, here is the the example and if they're not gonna interpret the rules right Then we're never gonna so that with this one. This was like the worst slow play

I've seen caught on video probably that I can recall off top my head the JB Homes thing on the 72nd hall was the one at the US Girls junior that was floating around that was bad I didn't get all the way through that one But so like if this if this doesn't change anything then we move on like I'm done talking about so Play, but however, however the tour comes right on out and says we're gonna review our policy The powers with the people I feel like it was like bane We're turks of power Give it back to you the people

I was gonna say that too. It's sick that the tour was forced to essentially issue a statement. What a shameful way to go about it. Before the week even ends, like you have to come do that to like, all right, yeah, fine, you get, we get it, man. You guys have like beat this up forever.

We'll address the rules that we're not enforcing. Like imagine this happening in another sport. Imagine like an NBA fan like, you guys got to call traveling, you have to call traveling. When are you gonna call traveling? When are you gonna call it finally, like halfway through the year, they're like, oh yeah, we got, we'll start calling traveling.

Well, do you have the tour statement? The press release? I do have it. Recent incidents. I'd like to submit that to the record, please. Brady's like a public defender who's got a... You'll find quotes from Tyler Dennis. Recent incidents about pace of play have led the PGA tour

to take a deeper look at its policy on the issue. In shot length technology, could provide an answer, which I think is actually kind of sick. I'm actually kind of for this. Well, it's first of all amazing that they like circle a sponsor into the opening line of this. It's amazing. You kind of touched on this and I kind of refused to believe it

because one, I've worked as a volunteer for Shotlink. You have? I have. Because you have to pay to do it. I think so. Yeah, I got like a double XL shirt sleeve that went down to the middle of my forearms. I got to work the 18th hole with the 2004 Memorial World.

Thank you for your service. I've worked're 18th hole at the 2004 Memorial World. Thank you very, very serious. I've worked that before and I refuse to believe that like the people out there are. Yes, that's true. Closely charting the actual timing of when shots are played. Well, so, okay. So there's a lot. There's so much going on.

So we got a lot some pack. What can I get it into? Yes, please. Please, please, please. First of all, are you going to defend Bryson or like the idea of Bryson, first of all? A few things. A few things. First of all, we would not have any of this entertainment

if we weren't for Bryson. And this is where I'm on your side completely. So, people are like, oh, he's terrible. He's like, no, shut up. He's the most entertaining aspect of the VGA tour right now. That's what I was gonna say. I was very thankful that without all this, I'm not really thinking about this tournament at all this week.

But for sure, our brooks in Bryson are like, fight, so that's fucking sweet. This is exactly what I had down. This is what the NBA does. This is what the NFL does when shit happens like We got it we ever got to this part yet that Bryson went up to Ricky allie if you see your boy a great player in his own right Said if tell your boss if he wants to talk to me about slow play come say to my Down in the valley and say it to my face

So Brooks of course does walk downi and say it to my face. So Brooks, of course, does walk down there and say it to his face. I don't know what was said, but he confronted him on the range, which of course Brooks did. And the irony of Bryson telling a second, a third person, tell him to say it to my face was rich. But anyways, that's shit. Like that is what we need. We need Brooks and Bryson going at it.

Even if it's settled afterwards, we need that it. Even if it's like settled afterwards, we need that drama. Even like, can't it be, even if it's like fake and manufactured. Totally. Totally, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like this is the most interesting thing that happened

all weekend, like the most excited Twitter got about one single thing is like, drama, like it's not about like, who gets into the BMW champion. And that's the thing, like, that's maybe to put it simpler, not to go back to the telecast too much, but it's a product of the telecast is part of the reason I can't get into this, it's like, I don't give a shit

who wins, unless it's Tiger, Aurora, or Spieth, or a no-name guy who's gonna be a life-changer. I'm like, okay, Patrick Reed won again. Cool, Justin Rose won again. Cool, Patrick Reed won again. Cool. Justin Rose won again. Cool. Cootra won. Cool.

I watched the, oh, they're all just class acts, man. They're so cool. And they just, look at how they shake hands and they pat each other in the back. Like, what a bunch of class acts. I can't wait to see. That's my point. Which class act wins next week?

Like, how is CBS possibly, how could they cover like a fight on the driver range? When everybody's been marketed to be class acts. Like totally great. You guys are class acts. Everything they're doing, you know, just melt. They're just totally not equipped to deal with this drama. I will say with Bryce.

We need to go back to, you know, who had the match play when there was the Keegan McGell fight, NBC. That's very true. For sure. That's very true. We know drum. Here's what I was going to say about Bryson. Does he play slow?

Sure. I'm not even going to defend that he's somehow a fast player or anything. I almost think we can isolate this one incident from the entire rest of the conversation. If there's anybody who's like, no, he was well within his right there, like nobody's saying that.

Like this one, the putt was egregious for sure. He's saying it. He's saying he's within his right there. Well, I'm gonna say. Because he walks so fast. He's J.C. upwind. You're gonna fall. That's the caddies.

It's the caddies. It's the caddies. It's TV Williams fault. God. All right, anyway. The Caddies. It's the Caddies. It's Stevie Williams fault. God. All right. Anyway, it's the Caddies. Does he play slow, yes? Probably for sure.

Do other people play slow? Yes. Exactly. So that's one point. And what I'm going with that is, you know, he's a polarizing figure. So it all just is this vortex of people like really wanting to hate him and now they have their great reason.

Totally. And so he's just taking barrel fire for something that, you know, if Rory, which I guess the counter argument is like, well, those guys never do it. That's a saying, this is not an isolated incident. Like this bad of a thing caught on video is is isolate. Like we haven't seen something this bad,

but this is not the first time anyone's ever said he's slow. Right. This is not the thing. This has just happened to be caught on camera. Like this is the stuff that happens in players, know the guys that take this long and do all this shit. And so it's if, if this happened to Rory, we wouldn't be talking about it.

Like if Rory had took two minutes on a plate, we wouldn't be talking about it this way. It might be took two minutes on a plot, we wouldn't be talking about it this way. It might be kind of like, whoa, that was weird. Totally true. But I read there's something to like, people wanted this like Bryson, but it's also something like Kevin Nah, when he was slow, he was like, yeah, I'm slow

and I'm working on it. I do want to get better. Like I don't enjoy this. Like I need to be better at this. And for all his, I think he's gotten better. I don't time him every tournament that I go to. It's like 75% of the time maybe, but like that is how you address it.

It's not, it's the Caddies. It's the TV Williams. Yeah. Yeah. It literally makes me laugh out loud. Every time we do. Every time we do. I guess at the end of the day my defense is like,

it's kind of fun. Yeah. Like it's pretty sweet. It's the Cad my defense is like it's kind of fun Like it's it's pretty sweet. We're catty. Yeah, that's my answer to everything I just wanted to keep doing Yeah I want Bryson to keep being Bryson. I Listen, I'm not they were two separate things. I know and I know you're not I know you're not saying that I'm just saying I think the catdies are saying that I know you're not saying that. I'm just saying, I think.

The caddies are saying that. The caddies. The caddies might be a little pissed. But so part of what you're talking about, the entertainment factor, I'm like way in. We need this drama. This was exciting. I couldn't wait to see what happened with it. But there is an integrity to the competition.

Which was basically nothing, by the way. But for golf, that was a big deal. Yeah, totally. Oh, yeah, Tom said to my face. I'm glad you said that. Which is great. There is an integrity to the competition, and I'm glad you said that.

And I will say that solely lies at the feet of the tour to enforce that. That is not Bryson's responsibility. I don't think. No, I agree. I think that's what a lot of people have said is like, and again, let's take this one instance out because it was completely egregious and like so far over the line. But when you're taking a habitual line, he may have ground his feet on Charlie Murphy's

head. But when you're taking 60 seconds of a drug, when you're taking 60, 70 seconds, like instead of 40, and it's egregious, but less egregious than this, like you're doing it because there's no penalty, you know, there's no downside. And like, you know, close the loophole. If you don't like it, close the loophole. Yeah, I think there's something to that.

Now, how we do that? Like, I don't know if this is a solutions podcast or simply, we're going to solve it. We're going to solve it. Yeah, I think if this is a solutions podcast or simply. We go into problems. Yeah, I think we should offer up some of our own. But I do think to the tourist credit, it's a more complicated situation than it seems. I think. You know.

And this is where I'm worried to even like bring it up because I think it's so black and white on Twitter. And to your point, it's like, everybody on Twitter is just like, okay, this is so easy to understand. He's the good guy, he's the bad guy. I don't just fix it, like flip the switch and penalize everybody. Like I don't care, just fix it right now.

And I'm like, okay, I sympathize with what you're saying. But does get more complicated, like, understandably, it gets more complicated with weather, it gets more complicated with course setup, it gets more complicated with field size and like all of those things. And part of where the tours issue lies is the fact that the pace of play policy right now, as it stands, like only includes,

it only applies to players who are out of position, who have already gotten a bad time. So Bryson, is totally in position and they're they're up with the group in front of them. Bad time is different than being out of position just to clarify what he said there but continue. Well that was pretty much it but you know right so you made a good point we were talking earlier too of like there what's the point of like rushing through a shot or like through a party on the green to go wait on the next hole? Exactly, like that. When I played the USM call for, I had to slow myself down

or else I was just gonna sit there and wait on the next hole. I might as well take longer on this put, call myself a little bit, and let's get it figured out because I'm gonna wait on the next hole. And there's something legitimately to be said for that, where it's like, if you're gonna, yes, you might take a little bit over the time,

again, Bryson's was totally egregious, and that's not what we're talking about here. But you might go over this imaginary shot clock, but if the group in front of you is in position and you're up with them, and it is a little tougher to penalize someone for that, unless you want to institute a full-on shot clock every shot's the same, and... Which I do not support. Which I don't know if I support or not. Like the whole thing is complicated. Here's the benefit of the doubt we get.

Like we can come up with a bunch of half-baked ideas. Like putting something into play, you cannot be half-baked. And like right now, as soon as I say that, like what they have in place is pretty half-baked. It's kind of like, okay, well, like if you're out of position, then we're gonna maybe come time you

and if you get this many bad times and it kinda sucks. So like if you are, say, who is a pretty fast player? Say Kevin Kisner, whatever. If you play in a group that gets put on the clock and like you get over the ball and you're the wind shifts and you take 45 seconds to play a shot because you change clubs, like you get a bad time and you will get fined for that.

And if you're put on the clock, no, that's what it is. If you put on the clock 10 times, then you get fined. And if you get bad times, you get fined. Anyways, you can be put on the clock because of something that's not your fault. And like you are doing a great job of keeping pace, blah, blah, blah. And if one of your shots takes a long time, so this is where my solution comes in. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. So in line with what we're saying in that being out of position is the key to this, right?

If you're not out of position and you take longer on a shot, like it's just not that big of a deal, it's not going to affect the flow of play in any way. So the PGA Tours now saying that they have all this data on all the, you know, how long it takes people to play. Which we didn't really mention that like they said in their statement, which I don't know, we reached out to a couple players and haven't heard back yet. But they, uh, they said that, like, basically, they prepared these shot link reports that are accessible to every player that they can get access to that basically breaks down how long they take over individual shots and average, like, the different types of shots, how long they take, and if they're

faster slow or blah, blah, blah, which I think is great. Like that's a great step in the right direction. They have it for themselves only. It's not you don't have the date. You don't have everyone's data. Like you get your report for yourself. Right, right, right. Yes.

So here's my idea. Based kind of what we're what Bryson's saying and what a lot of guys are frustrated with, what Brooks has said is like the slow players rely on the fast players to keep them in position. Like they're abusing the fast players, the fact that other guys play fast. So you divide all the players on the tour into three categories. All right, you got a red light category, the JB Holmes Memorial category, you got the yellow light, which are the middle of the pack guys, and you got green lights. And you are only paired with guys in your light category.

Okay? Okay. So if you are a slow player, you are playing with two other slow players. So where do you think the officials are going to be waiting? Like they're going to be waiting on that group. And if that group gets out of position, boom, you guys are on the clock. And if any of you takes over 40 seconds, you are penalized one stroke. You think that'll speed up the slow players? And the fast players all get rewarded.

They all get to play with fast guys. They're not stuck with the slow guys anymore. And then the slow guys are going to have to play at the same pace as the fast guys do. Yeah, I don't know. I got to think about how that would work. You got to think about a retort because you don't have one. Well, the next problem solved. Wouldn't it just jam up the golf course? But you can't. Like you get paralyzed. You're pushing like, okay, so let's say that the red light guys

are playing at the slowest possible legal pace. And then you've got three fast guys right behind them. Like you're basically catering to the fast player. The fast players are gonna go out before the red light guys. Then you gotta like figure out how, I don't know, I think there's some holes in this. I think this is bulletproof, I don't see where the holes are.

Well, it's just like with when guys tee off and all that stuff, like, they're, but the idea is like, but based on what I'm saying is you, the slow guys don't get to lean on the fast guys anymore. It's like, you guys are all in this together. Why wouldn't a shot clock do the same thing? See, the shot clock for me, there's like a vacuum.

There's too many variables for that. So what if I almost feel like it could be like a daily shock lock or something, like a daily kind of like time par type thing that takes in the account course conditions and weather and all that stuff. I read somebody, you know, like how they do the chest timer. Like everybody has an allotted amount of time. Yeah.

And you can use it however you want. That's what you were kind of saying too, about like your time bank. Well, yeah. Like you can have a couple, yeah, you can, you know, if you have a situation where you need to like press time out and like I need a second here

because the wind is shifting and the wind is swirling, I need a second to figure this out. If you get one or two of those per round or something like that, that is more reasonable. That's reasonable to me, I think. Cause there are times when even the fastest player

is gonna take over 40 seconds. Right, which is where I almost think, the answer, I don't know, there's a lot of factors, and I'm sure we're not even touching on most of them, but the answer to me almost seems like a shot clock, but a pretty liberal shot clock, whether it's 70 seconds or something like that that's like, it's gonna basically,

and this kind of gets into like, is this really that big of a problem conversation? But I think like something that basically gives players enough time, it's going to, Justin Rose I think had a quote that was basically like, all right, you crank down on like, you totally fix this issue. Like what are you saving per day, like 15 minutes?

Like, what are we actually really talking about? And I get that there's a competitive, you should be able to play within the rules and all that stuff, but my point is like, it's hard to quantify just how much, I don't know, it's hard to quantify where to draw the line, because it's really hard. So many variables are the same.

I think it comes down to the most in that, like, players that are following the rules are getting punished the most of any of them. Yes, I do agree with that. And I agree, like, I think everybody probably does, is like, if you have rules in place, you should enforce them. It's kind of like doping.

It's like, you know, the guys that aren't doping are getting punished the most, because when they weren't testing for doping. So, so Bryson's on steroids, There we go. I think the time banks only the only real answer then because then that that lets the players decide for themselves when they need extra time when they need to run. I think is there official that the times follow something? I can think of if it's somehow linked to like the shot link. Yeah, which I think is what the tour was kind of said where it's somehow linked to the shot length. The hand-out. Which I think is what the tour was kind of said. Where it's like the person presses,

okay, whoever's now playing their shot, okay. Which imagine, and then if you run to zero, you get one shot penalty, X minutes over, you get tacked on a two shot penalty and then X minutes over that, you're disqualified. Imagine the scene in the scoring trailer when someone gets a one-shot penalty and they're looking at like the 78-year-old volunteer

on the 14th hole and it's like, yo, did you hit the button at the right time? Which admittedly, that wouldn't be the best way to administer. In my opinion, I think it would be who the tour to... Just hire, like I hear some people and send them the tournaments to operate a system like this. So there was a quote going around section some people and send them the tournaments to operate a system like this? There was a quote going around section from a golf digest my shot with slugger white.

I don't, did you guys read this or see this? I saw that, yeah. There was a paragraph basically that I'll read for you. It's quote. I hate slow play as much as the next guy, but I can't agree with the idea of hitting players with penalty strokes Maybe it's because I was a player once but I envision these horrible trickle-down effects imagine just think of this guys Imagine this say there's a player who barely let me first say They don't like the trickle down When it comes to the slow play kind of these but I'm sure they're great to trickle down

for other stuff. OK, sorry, carry on. Let's say, hypothetically, let's say there's a player who barely squeezes in the top 125 of the final FedEx cup point standings because he made a couple thousand dollars more at a tournament than the player right behind him on the list. Imagine if he'd been hit with a one-stroke penalty

at a key moment because he was two seconds over his time. Say the penalty cost him $5,000. Suddenly, he's so far down the FedEx' cuff list that he doesn't have a place to play next year. Which in turn means his kid can't go to college. Come on, that's, or he can't put a down payment on a decent house. Are you, are you still?

Or worse, or worse. Basically, it means you've drastically affected the guy's life with the click of a stopwatch. I'm all for looking at fine structures, maybe increasing them, but determining his fate with a stopwatch is a little harsh to me. Like, that sucks. Is it a ruler? Is it a rule?

Exactly. And not only that, like, okay, so we should like cater to the slow players then. So we should, you know, it's the same thing. Like we should punish the guys who are following the rules. Well, I guess my initial reaction maybe those guys don't, don't get in, you know, their kids don't get to go to college. Like, wouldn't that be his mindset on every judgment decision? You would think, right? A slugger internally draw the line. That's not really a good thing. Like, when they cut the cups decides like whether people's kids will go to college. Yeah, so who knows how these interviews get done and maybe it was an off the cuff kind

of thing or I can see that. I think that is a tough one to justify. I get I kind of get that explanation a little bit, but I don't agree. But so maybe you're talking about like a mechanic. Right. But you're like, I can't miss that time. So now he's fired.

What are we saving to your point on that? It's kind of like, dude, like, what is the downstream effect of this all gonna be? Like how much worse is it gonna, people are just gonna keep tugging, tugging, tugging, till rounds are taking five and a half, it takes five and a half hours basically to play in three sums on the PJ tour now.

So now let's get into like why the... I have no documentation in that. It seems like it, but many people are saying that. They're saying, sir, take seven hours out here. Okay, well let's talk about a couple things there. Because first of all, I think that's, I feel extremely bad for the players, the aforementioned caddies and

the fans who are at those events. But from a TV perspective, like I don't, I maintain that I don't think slow plays that big of a deal. I'm with you on that. If you have good producers at the helmet, it should be. It should. It should be. Yeah, I agree.

Now, the natural counter is that people are going to see slow play on TV and they're going to play slower on their recreational rounds, which is an experience that I got firsthand. Very recently, I realized how not often we play with random people. We always pretty much play with only ourselves, which is probably not good. But yeah, I paired up with some randos

who were just plum-bobbing on the double bogeyputs and just looking like reading it both sides of the hole and it was brutal. So having seen that now first first hand for the first time in a while, it's not good. I understand that. Did that did that person get it from the proso? Well listen, who could you talk to? Who can say? No, that was the last thing. You didn't get in front of him. Like, hey dude, why the fuck are you playing so slow? Can we all agree though that slow players should wear a scarlet letter? Like I don't think it's I don't think it should be. So now should be about some semi-serious solutions. I think there's plenty of like

no I just mean general like we missed one serious solution though and I would like to submit it to the record and that's they could continue to penalize uh Gwen T. Long T. Blanc. Objective. That could be a problem is that there's not enough like a 15-year-old Asian amateurs that they can pin these slow play They couldn't have analyzed CT pan this week and yeah, what are we doing? That's a great point. Are you ready? Is that enough on slow play? We didn't even talk about Brandl Getting involved in it and saying basically fast play was as equally distracting to the game as slow plays And they

There's play mode both sides that Keppka was standing in front of to the right of Rory, which Keppka then put Brando on blast. Keppka might have a little rabbit ears when it comes towards Brando. For sure. It's the best. The pros get so riled up by Brando. But all of this is the best thing

that has happened in professional golf in like the last two months. I mean, we even mentioned Tiger with Drew this week. I mean, we talked about it. Like, we need shit like this to happen. The cap might be dead. I think because the product is so bad, right? Yeah.

No, T. Can I do this? Can I do this week? Can we go back real quick? Peter, Mount Audi finished 126 on the money list this year and made $864,000. So I'd like to just like to wish his children the best in trying to, I would recommend maybe some community colleges

to start, maybe get an assurantly state school. Get an associate's degree and possibly transfer in after that. But we can maybe fire up a kick starter for those guys. But you got a factor in his FedEx Cup bonus too for $26,000. Which is literally a free year's worth of college for doing fucking nothing. Yeah. There's one more thing on slow play, which we kind of alluded to a day and a half around.

The other thing that could kind of fix this, I think itself, if you don't want to make any changes, which players have been complaining about this for 30 years on tour. And now today they're like, yeah, no, we're gonna look into it. It's like, okay, well, how long is an actual change gonna make? Which I get because the change is complicated and there's a lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what have you.

But one thing that has very much been proven to work this week is public shaving. Straight up, like dude, the slow players, other than Jason Day, is maybe the only person I've ever seen be like, yeah, no, yeah, I play slow. Yeah, I've never grinded my feet on sluggers couch. But he's the only one. And everybody else, when it's like, dude,

you're slow and everybody hates watching you play. And they're like, fuck, okay, I'm sorry. I'm gonna try to speed up. And so public shaming, like, listen, maybe there's something we can help with here. If we can start getting some of these shot link reports, we might need to get Woodward and Bernstein on getting some of those shot link reports distributed

out to the people. It is, let's identify them. Like, touch on it. It's amazing. What I love to do, like, let's not, let's meet, let's reach cross the aisle. Let's divide our players into green, yellow and red without actually changing like how they're paired.

And just post that. It's like, yo, here's, these are the slowest players. Go out and watch them in time and go see how they're doing and start blowing them up because like, I don't even know that we need to like change the policy all that much. It's like, just start nuking these people who are playing slow.

There were some good ideas rolled around. One, I don't remember where I saw this, but it was like, if you take over 40 seconds, like the crowd now has full permission to do whatever they want while you're standing over the ball. Well, I was talking to you. Yeah, that will make guys crazy. Randy, no, my associate, big rating.

I just can't get a few ideas around to the kill us after dude, but maybe like, I was almost thinking like a 60-second shot clock, which I think is very liberal. But if you don't pull the trigger within 60 seconds, like an air horn is gonna go off into your back, so you don't know, like, maybe it will, maybe it won't. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, I don't know. Do you have five seconds or do you have 10 seconds?

Like, who knows, you better pull the trigger. But if every time you go over 60 seconds, you lose a club out of your back. That's great. So yeah, I think I don't want. I think this is the creative solutions that are gonna be needed to fix the mission here. The mission here's a great, so yeah, take good one. I think this is the creative solutions that are gonna be needed to fix the mission for a day and we can fix all that.

Let's get to Cornfairy. That was some good television to me. I know I said at the beginning of the show, but that's among the best non-major golf. I think I've watched this year. For those that didn't watch it, I mean, it's great every year, like literally never disappoints.

The people at Golf Channel do an awesome, awesome job. It's, you know, it's the corn fairy tour, so it's pretty stripped down production. So you have none of those interruptions that we're talking about earlier. Like, everything is additive to the broadcast. When they put a graphic up, it's to help you understand what's going on in the tournament

or understand more about a player or whatever. And Steve Borkowski and Craig Perks do an awesome job, kind of every week on the KFC tour, but especially in that Portland event. And it comes down to the stretch. And every year, the last three, four holes, there are guys who are right on the cusp of like life changing PJ tour moments.

There are guys right on the cusp of getting into the finals or not. And this year was no exception. And God, it was brutal to watch. I mean, say the other thing. It's nothing down the stretch. It's great TV, but it's tough to watch. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. Because you like, because the people care. And there's a definitive like, here's a stake. Either they'll get it or they won't. And instead of just like, I don't know, everybody made nine million dollars this year. Like, let's go play another one next week. We're going to make another million dollars.

Like, I just don't get how you could care about that. But it's watching it goes to setting up the drama too. Like they do such a good, they follow guys in, like they do such a good job with the guys inside the top right around the top 25 and around the top 75. This top 75 gets you full web status for next year, as well as gets you into the Cornfairy Finals, which gives you another chance at the PGA Tour. So two kind of like capsules or two guys

that we basically became the story down the stretch and boho won the tournament and he's going to the PGA Tour and that's congratulations to him. Upper Arlington guy, I believe, Brandon. Golden Bear, that was news to me. Yeah. That's come about the 2003 district final. Did you whoop his ass? I made it.

You might have. He was like 15. Stuffed him in a locker like Brooks did. Yeah, we regretted my feet up. Bo's got. But no, so two people that kind of ended up becoming like the story down the stretch. I don't know. You guys want the good news first or the bad news first? I don't know. The good news?

The good news. So Scott Harrington was a player, very quick. There are much better reported stories out there such as Google, Scott Harrington, if you want kind of the full story, but the R stories, his brother was wearing a no-ling up by a certain, so he will not. We'll not.

Absolutely not be getting a discount. No or anybody in the hair. I would expect for him to hear from the FCC or someone on an ambush marketing attack that he launched on the golf channel. Yeah, no, Mr. Erickson, to go to college. No, maybe. But so the very cliff notes version of his story,

as I kind of understand it, is his wife was, he's 38. So he's been doing this I think for like 16 years without ever getting a PJ tour card and his wife has battled Hodgkin's lymphoma twice two different times including last year like during the BMW charity program he had to take like a family medical leave to just not you know like hey I'm gonna not play this season because I need to be home with her. So obviously you can extrapolate like when you're a professional golfer

and you're not playing professional golf and you know, for the little amount of sponsorship and stuff that these guys have, like, just not a lot of money coming in. So the rest of the tour players, I think it was organized by Scott Langley, shout out to the Forex Cup. All started like a go fund to me to basically raise,

I think like $150,000 for their family to kind of help with medical expenses and living expenses and all that stuff. Steph Curry, I think, heard the story when he was playing at at L.E. May kicked in like 25 grand. So it's just a really cool story. So basically he's on this medical leave and then a year ago at Portland, which is his hometown event. He lives near by, his wife was basically like, go play this week, like go back and try to do it. And so now a year later, he is coming up the 18th fairway, he's like tied for second, I think,

and projected number 25, this is the last guy who's gonna get a PJ tour card. Hits the middle of the fairway, flags it, two plus for birdie to get his card, and it was just like a mega tear-dricker moment. His wife comes out on the green and his brother's there and his dad's there and the golf town did an awesome job just like not saying anything, focusing on his face. He just all, he just kind of like, collapse next to the green and like, just look straight

down. Like, imagine, and we say this all the time, but imagine playing 16 straight years, where your only goal is to get to the PJ tour and just constantly not getting there. And it's, I don't know, break that down into individual weeks where it's like you're traveling 25 weeks a year and you're packing your suitcase and you're going to Wichita and you're going to Omaha and you're going to all these places and you're just not winning. You're not like, I don't know, for that to finally like break through and the due to be a PJ tour player now,

like that's the stuff that makes you like golf, at least for me, I mean, that's the stuff that like gets me tuning in. We get to do it again here with the Cornfairy Finals, too, exactly. Like it's a whole new reset. It's what makes that this tour so fun. And so the flip side of that is you have Vince India,

who's a fellow resident of the land of Lincoln, as much like myself. He is a closer Chicago, a deer field, I believe. But he is, I think the stat I saw was, he has gone back to the first stage of Q school each of the last six years and he keeps like climbing up the mountain and keeps getting knocked all the way back down. So I think the last four years, three or four years, he has started the first stage of

Q school, gotten all the way up to the web tour and gotten knocked all the way back down to the first stage of Q school. So he's coming in, he's like real sys of his story. I'm like, well said, yeah, exactly. And so he's rolling his stone this week. I think he's T2 or something coming into the final round. And basically, in really good shape to win and could possibly get his PGA tour card,

apologies if you guys watched this broadcast because I know I'm kind of rehashing what happened. But with a win, he can literally go to the PJ tour. So he entered this week like one 16th or something on the on the points list. So top 25, obviously get their card. With a win, he gets his card. And even with like a top four, he gets into the corn fairy finals. He's got his card for next year locked up. He's dialed in. Comes to 18, middle of the fairway, kind of fans it a little bit, into the bunker, hits his bunker shot over the green, chips one,

rolls back to his feet, chips over the green, chips gone, blah, blah, makes double and now immediately just just like that is going back to first stage of key school. And it's like, And this isn't like, you know, guy finishing 126 and making 800, you know, I mean, this is a big, it's like a, again, like it's a legitimate life changing thing.

I mean, it's completely life changing. It's way more relatable when people, I don't know, you know, players like him, they're full financial situation, but it's like, it's like similar to how we live. I was gonna say, do you know his, take a guess how much money you are in this year on the corn fairy tour?

I mean, it's, so he finished while like 87th or something like that and it was probably. 48,000 dollars. 67,000 dollars. So, that's, that's for now. That is travel expenses. I was gonna say that. That's for that is travel expenses. I'll just say that's not the 67 that we earned. That gets way more expenses to go with that.

You get paid $67,000. I'm like, I'm saying hypothetically, if we made 60, you got, wait, you guys are getting paid? You guys are getting paid. No, it's just, and obviously not bringing that up to like make a light of his situation. It's just to point out that like, dude, it is heart-wrenching and entertaining and dramatic and just like, it's everything that you want pro golf to be.

And that's what, that's kind of what I was saying at the beginning. It's like, dude, when everybody is just safe and comfy and everybody's got a couple of wins, it's like, God, who gives a shit who wins, man? And so you get to this point where it's like, God, I hope it's like tiger or rory or spieth or like someone like Nate Lashley, who's like a complete life changer or max. You know, it's like a, is another good one.

It's, it's, I don't know. It's in a weird spot. And I know I'm speaking as like the hyper, hyper invested fan and the casual fan is probably not feeling this way, but I don't know. I think they're going to feel it more and more as we go on. But if you're a casual fan that is, you know, becoming less, more and more disillusioned with watching the highest level golf, like this is some interesting stories to follow. Oh my God.

Yeah, so the, the Cornfairy finals now is like way more watchable. It's so much more watchable. Yeah, like that's what I was telling you guys. It's like all of a sudden I'm watching six players whose names I learned this afternoon. And I'm like hanging on every single shot, you know, and why is that so different than like watching six guys who I know intimately and like it really seems like it should be the opposite and it just isn't. Wait a year this is from Wil Gray. This is the first year that the KFC tour used points instead of money to determine your card and your promotion.

Points, Vince Waley finished 25th, Chris Baker finished 26th, Money List, Baker 25th, Waley 26th. Oh man. So the new set up cost Baker, his tour card. Oh. It's tough. You up cost baker his store card. Oh. It's tough. You got to have another chance. And like there's a whole bunch of guys

will have another chance here in the finals and it'll be fun to watch. The finals is like, I think we've said it out here before too, but I think they've done a, I don't know about making it kind of like the only path to the tour and all that stuff, but the finals is an awesome product, I think. I mean, it's cool courses, it's cool fields, it's a great mix of like, I mean, you were reading some of the names earlier that finished outside the 125.

I'm going to be coming down from the PGA. Yeah, which I don't know if any, all of them will play or not, but like, there's some big ass names in there. And you've got them going up against the Justin Lowers and the Charlie Saxons. And like, people like that, and it's just, it's awesome to see those guys kind of find it out. So that's, you know, I know we kind of bag on the tour lot, but that's one thing I think has been super successful the last couple of years.

Played in the Ryder Cup like 11 months ago. Yeah. Like now playing in other cards. It's a name any name. Oh, look, it could be anyone. I could be talking about anyone. Why don't you guys tell me about the women's aim? Oh, Rani, go ahead. The best. It was the best telecast.

I was up there. Well, that was out there. Because the contrary was good too. Yeah. So I'll take that back. It's the one I watch the most of. I'm really the Fox broadcasts are growing on me though. I do want to say that. I think they do an excellent job. Everybody seems to be coming. Yeah, I will. Yeah, I don't think I was ever out on them. Shane and Julie, Inc. Sturer, Brad Faxon. Yeah, great job. Everybody seems to be coming. I will. Yeah. I don't think I was ever out on them. Shane and Julie, Inc. Sturberad Faxon. Yeah. Did a great job.

Brick Wiggley was out there. Thank you, Brick Wiggley. Roll and balls are on the green and stuff. That's cool. Yeah. It was a commercial free. Thanks to which Rolex. I don't want to be speaking out of both sides of my mouth by any means today. Yeah. We'll get there today It was they could have had commercials The finals was but early in the week it made for for great television. Yeah So the final four right came down to Albane, Valenzuela from Switzerland who is a current Stanford cardinal She defeated... Not to coach Walker.

Yeah, it's really, yeah. Beautiful country if I may, yeah. She defeated Megaganny, and then Gabby Ruffles defeated Andrea Lee. I believe Andrea Lee was another Stanford Cardinal. But you were texting with Gabby's brother, Ryan, who's somewhat a friend of the friend of the program. I'm sure a friend of the program, yeah. Showed up in Wild World Golf number one.

Exactly. So Gabby's story is kind of nuts. So she obviously ended up winning, beating Valenzuela in the final, which was spectacular. We'll take me through the final, final holes. So Gabby was trailing basically all the day day all the day, all the day long. 1920. She was trailing for much of the day and flipped it on, I believe 15. She's going to flip that shit Larry. She scored the match and basically came to 17 was like this

170 yard, which is really 35. and basically came to 17, which is like this 170 yard. Which is really 35. 35th hole. 35th hole. Yeah, 36th hole. Yeah, in the heat down here in the southeast, that's no small feet. Yeah, exactly. So she sticks it to like six feet, makes birdie on 17, and then sticks it to probably 20 feet

on 18. Valenzuela comes in like after she sees her hit it to 20 feet, she sticks it to probably seven feet. Just two awesome shots into 18, and the to 20 feet, she sticks it to probably seven feet. Just an awesome, like two awesome shots into 18 and the Gabby makes this like, curler to just shut the door and not even make it dramatic on 18. So her backstory, which is kind of wild,

is she was like a all kind of, you know, all Australian junior national tennis player until she was 14. And basically like got to the, you know, point where she was 14 and Basically like got to the you know point where she was 14 I was like I don't actually really enjoy this all that much and I definitely don't want to commit my life to this So she just quit she started playing golf literally five years ago And just like now she won the USA have like imagine That's I cannot

state how freaking impressive that is to do that. So just, yeah, it's just awesome. I don't know. Again, it's cool to just see something that means something to people. It's cool to see kind of raw emotion and nerves and all that stuff.

Fun golf. They were at Old Waverly golf course. And this week we're going to Pinehurst number two and number four for the men's usm. I think tron's headed up there for at least a day or two. So hopefully some some dispatches from up there. But you guys like them playing playing both courses? Well, as long as the, you know, the participants are fully aware that it is, you know, spread out over a couple days instead of for the qualifiers,

they were not didn't communicate that very clearly. Which I would have loved to have been there for it. Had I known it was a two day qualifier. That's a great point. Yeah. No, it's, yeah, it's exciting. No, this is going to be really good. But I think Pinehurst is like, I've said it before, is like my favorite course to play

in the States. And it's probably, it's not, I mean, it's not like a Lynx course. It's obviously inland, but like the way a golf course should play, it's front and fast and like angles mattering. Like it's as good as a tournament golf course as you can get. And a lot of people's top players. A lot of people haven't seen number four, which was just totally redone by Gail Hans,

shout out to the golfers journal. There was a little piece in there if anybody is interested in. Hey, no, weren't doing that here., no, we're not doing that here. We're not doing that here. But it turned out awesome. Number four is really cool. It's a little more resort friendly at the number two.

I don't know if guys are going to just absolutely chew it up. But whatever, it doesn't really matter. They're playing the finals on number two and all that stuff. Actually, I think I'm sorry, I take that back. They might be playing the... They're playing both courses. Both courses for the 36th're, I'm sorry, I take that back. They might be playing the- They're playing both courses. Both courses for the 36th final, which is kind of sweet.

That's awesome. Yeah, so good stuff to come this week. And it's kind of USGA, SZN, right now. Big stuff tomorrow. And not to just a little teaser out there for the folks. I think the big guy's gonna get up to Old Chatham to the US senior amateur. Really?

Yeah, in a couple of weeks. What do you eat? You chasing a hard new story out there, what? I'm gonna do some on the ground reporting. No, we're just gonna kick up some dirt. See what's up there. Yeah. Hey, boy, it's Big Randy reporting, man.

What's the scuttle butt out there today? That'd be great. Yeah, so. And last USGA note, I believe we have another qualifier for Big Sally, Big Sir. By the time this will be posted, or by the time you're listening, I might already be out there.

But the mid-Aim qualifier tomorrow? 18 holes are 36. It is 18 holes. For sure. Justin Hubert on the bag for me, tomorrow. I barely touched a club over the last month. I don't even touch a club. I don't even, when I go home, I don't even touch.

When I go to Europe, I don't even touch a club. I don't even touch a club. I don't even, when I go home, I don't even touch. When I go to Europe, I don't even touch a club. I don't even touch a club. We'll see what happens. I'm just gonna send it. So where are you playing? Yeah, San Jose Country Club here in Jacksonville. So about 30 minutes away.

Don Ross. Don Ross course. Yeah, the boss down the road. But the boss, around today, I actually really enjoyed it. I guess that's a really well for me. Great. To be prepared for me to bitch about some pins just having the right to run.

That's a really well for me. We saw it at the set-up. It was... We saw it somewhere the pins today. If they double-cut and roll in tomorrow like they said they might, it's going to be some interesting situations, but we'll see. All right, on that note, we're going to wrap it. Thanks everybody for tuning in, and we will see you again next week. Probably. Cheers. We'll see you again next week, probably. Cheers. Give it a big thumbs up. Feed a right club today.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than most. How about it? That is better than most. Better than most. The most.