No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 242: Tour Championship Recap

Episode Date: August 26, 2019

Rory McIlroy wins the $15 million prize, and we discuss money in golf, the new format, whether or not it worked, and everything else from the Tour Championship. Also, are golfers underpaid? We talk about how money gets distributed in golf, and struggling as to whether or not we should care. We also talk Korn Ferry Finals, and debrief our first event, The Summit at CommonGround in Colorado.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. We are Coming to you from downtown Denver, Colorado. We're out here for the summit this week Sally here. I got Mr. DJ Pie to my right. Hello, Sally. Mr. Tron to my left. Hello. We didn't watch a ton of golf

this weekend. We were out in Denver for our first ever event that we put on called the summit. And we'll talk a bit more about that on the back half in case you want to just shut the podcast off, which is totally fair. If you weren't attendance, but we learned a lot about running an event and got to support a pretty cool program and think we have some interesting things to say about it, even if you weren't in attendance. So please do stick around if that is the case. But we're here to talk, of course, about the second cornfairy event. Let's leave with that.

Really? That's really cool, you guys. We're throwing Tron a bone. The Albertson's Poise Open was truly wonderful, remember. Well, before Tron actually gets going there, we are awaiting official statement from Big Randy on on Rory I believe. We are that should come into the newsroom at any any moment while we're taping this party he just said he was finishing mowing the lawn he was gonna give us a statement here shortly. Which can I spoil it like for people like you're not getting it at all

like winning these events only makes him more dead and in Randy's eyes. That's true. I thought you're gonna say Randy moves along with an electric mower. Oh yeah that was my fault though I bought the electric mower. Oh, yeah, that was my fault though I bought the electric mower It's among the worst calls I've ever seen I'm on the yard with carrying the extension cord behind us. It's a tough scene. I at least just cut the extension That was my my misery. It was an accident. I should not have bought that mower But he tried to buy one of those 1950s ones. Yeah, so that one was that was his fault

Because he couldn't push it through the Bermuda. Thick, like Mike Davis asked Bermuda. Yo, Randy, not no, Hio anymore bro. Yeah, exactly. The thickest rough on the entire golf course is in our front yard. That's exactly right. So of the two mowers we have, I actually did buy the better one.

No, I think it's important. I know you're joking at first, but I think it's important to kick off this podcast by recognizing the season-long champion, Big Randy, winner of the Fred X Cup. He is. We're waiting for the season-long champion Big Randy, winner of the Fred X Cup. He is. We're waiting for the final tally to come in, but it appears that he has edged me out

for the championship. So, he's desperately looking for some hanging Chad somewhere. Well, we decided to count the Fed X Cup bonus money because it's technically tied into the tour championship. Unseparable. He's inseparable. He's inseparable. And so, yeah, whether it's deferred cash or actual straight cash, it all goes in.

So it looks like like Big Randy is one. But all right, let's get into the Torch Championship. Rory is the winner. $15 million dollars of pro-shop credit. You just were dying for it. Well, I heard you say that six times today. That was KVV's joke at the summit this week. But I think it's actually only 14 million credit and a million deferred as well

Okay, so yeah, I think you're your commissioner for a day idea of you know, you need to spend what I'm what a third of it I said a third I'd be willing to reach across the aisle if anyone had a counter proposal But I think a third of the money to be spent within I think three months a three month expiration date You have to go spend at least five million, and you have to publish the receipts of what you spent it on, because that would be a gift to content. People would get to, and I said,

if you wanna buy something very boring, if you wanna invest it in long-range mutual funds, that's fine, but people get to really see what you're made of by what you spent your fuck you money on. I think three months is way too long for that. Maybe three weeks. Like I said, we have open to counter proposals. I just reduce.

All I'm doing is introducing the bill to the side. Because I think reducing the amount of time, just, you make it that much more outrageous. Yeah. Maybe you should have to ask on the 18th green. Does this reduce your taxable income? Like the taxable point. We can get in all that.

We can get in all that. Does Harry break off one point five million? There's no taxes in golf. It's all taxable. We can get in all that. Does Harry break off one point? I don't think there's no taxes in golf. People, it's all tax rate. Well, that's my question. Is how do the, does the state of Georgia get a big win fat? Was an awesome question. Here, because it's technically a season-long bonus, I guess.

But they're getting a 15 million now as part of the tournament, not part of the season. So I don't understand, I think the big winner might be the state of Georgia. Now, if there's one thing the PGA tour knows, it's how to get around tax. Well, I might be the state of Delaware probably. But all right, so Rory, I actually was a little upset

with Rory's comments before the event started. Somebody asked him about the format, what do you think? And he was kind of shaking his head at it and kind of asked me on Monday to see if it works out. I was like, that's one, for two people, like yourselves that love the process. That's not process-based thinking.

That's results-based thinking. We knew what the format was. Yeah. You can't be like, oh, we'll see if it works out on Monday. Anybody who is anti-format, I guess, like the format was stupid before, too. Yeah, for sure. You know what?

Yeah, I wanna say, I don't think like, there's a lot of people like spike in the football. I'm like, oh, all the people who hated it now, it's Rory and Brooks, like, what's up now? It looks like it's pretty good. I think we were into it. Like, we were definitely into it. For weeks and weeks, like, you know what,

I'm actually pretty fascinated to see what happens. I have a hell of a lot less convoluted. For sure, no, I think the new format is genuinely a big win. It was way more simple everyone knew exactly what you're watching at the end only thing we missed out on sanzi with the projections of course on the whiteboard you seem to like that more than more than everybody else well kind of just for the memes I don't know like actually like it sanzi looked a lot more refreshed about that pop John's van we saw today that had me

month or pay down the free ass side of it ass. Well, I don't think they were actually a pop of jobs trucker. They were following for like 70 miles. That's actually true. I think I would have to imagine successful in the towards eyes this finale. Yeah. I mean, Rory would have won if it was the other way

anyways, he won the gross end of the net. Uh-huh. He won the first full log drive as well. Annie, he won some of the paring mutual betting. Brooks put some money on Rory and the cow-cow-cow-cow-cow. Exactly. The people that are bitching about it, the hardest part has been done.

Making the change, I imagine, was the hardest part. There's no way they're going back. First, cut as the deepest. Exactly. I mean, it's kind of like the way I view certain things, it's like the only reason the Ryder Cup is every other year is because that's how it's always been. And if you move the Ryder Cup to every year and did it for 10 years, there's no way after 10 years to be like, you know what?

It needs to go back. We should go back to every other year. I'm gonna push back on the Ryder Cup thing a little bit. I think the starvation of not having it every year makes it a bigger deal. I disagree because if the masters, like imagine if the masters was every other year, it's, we treat it like the biggest deal. Yeah. Every single year. It would be an it like the biggest deal. Yeah every single year Even bigger deal I think I do not agree. I've that's always been my case that you played every damn year

But enjoy the present last It's more But it's like it's kind of like all right in certain instances once you've made a change You can't really go backwards and it doesn't make sense to go backwards because the previous option was just kind of shitty to begin with too. So the whole reason you make a change, it's like when you take a tree out on a golf course you never go out to that spot and look and be like oh like oh you know what we should we need to put this tree back in there. This hole was better with this tree sitting right here. Gill Hans said that a lot of the older members at Aronnamink said that though.

They're like man we got to put these trees back. There's no shade out there. Shade I can actually agree with. But no, I think this was a huge success. It was fun to watch somewhat. I mean, it's kind of like, I still believe that the amount of money is so big. And it went, I had a tweet that said that we went to the guy with the highest net worth.

And everyone's like, well, should it not have? I mean, should it be distributed? Like Bernie Sanders wants to do. No, that's not the point. That's a bit of a jack-reach. Yeah, that's a bit of a jack-reach. Now you see what the replies are actually like. I don't know, never read the replies.

But it was kind of like, I wanted to see the money in a perfect world to go to somebody that would actually change their life. Chas, you chose. I just don't think that's just not the world we're living in. Oh, I think that's just not possible, right? So why do we care? That's the point. No, of course. So going back to the format thing, I think that's just not possible, right? But at my point, so why do we care? That's the point.

No, of course. So going back to the format thing, I think that's my big takeaway. It's like, who gives it shit? We're talking about the FedX cup. It's hard to, yeah. The thing is, it's called the FedX kind of in our point. I don't either internally or externally. It's like, what sanctity are you like preserving here?

And what's the like, you know, what's the honor and tradition that you're really like the thing is changed every single year just about, you know They've changed it. What's it's been around since oh four or something? Oh, seven. Oh seven. Oh seven. So 12 years and it's like It's probably changed seven times six times. I still remain. It's better than nothing Tiger and Phil skip the oh six tour championship They also skip this year, but Different reasons like it is better like it's better than nothing and I like the doom spot in the schedule three events makes a lot more sense to I still think There's a more exciting way to do the finale. I think match play would be more exciting West Coast But I think a big distinction is I think it's been like quote like I kind of not personally But I kind of hate that it's better than nothing.

Quote, because I think golf falls back on that so much as a crutch, where it's like, well, you know, it's, but I know it's not great, but it's better than nothing. And I think this year was a step toward like, no, you know what, like this is actually a fan improvement. And I think this actually improves it. It's an entertainment.

You know, it has been better than nothing, you know, for the last 10 years, 12 years. Like, I guess it's better than not having an event. But this year I feel like it actually did take a step forward and I feel like it actually became something that was more interesting and I don't know. I enjoyed it. You know, it was fired.

That was kind of inspired. Inspired is a strong word. But I thought it was good. The event is essentially a, it's a way to distribute a lot of money, which is fine. That the tour generates that money, sponsors pay into it. Like it's a market-based economy, like you're saying. And that's what the market is, and FedEx is willing to pay that.

I don't think anybody, I think this will probably segue us into a little bit about how golfers get paid. And it's merit-based. And you could probably say that, I think, the top guys are probably underpaid. Well, I want to, yeah, I do want to discuss this. In the middle tier and low, like, what do you mean by the top guys are probably underpaid. Well, I want, yeah, I do want to discuss this. In the middle tier and low, like, like, what do you mean by the top guys are underpaid, though?

So I think I can mean a couple different things to different people. Like, based on the value that they're generating, they're worried, like, nobody's going out there to see Troy Merritt play a golf tournament. I'm sorry to Troy Merritt, but like, people probably don't want to see Troy Merritt play a golf tournament, because they shit they do where. But like, there's a lot of... No for as, but you can't give reverse ads.'s there's a lot of guys out there that like 126 through 150

gets $70,000 dumped into their job for okay this week. Shwam. Can't show whatever. It's a way to distribute a lot of money. If if anything, you know, I think the guys that probably get like the guys that finish fourth or fifth or sixth are probably the ones getting shafted a little bit here to where it seems super arbitrary for the guy that wins this thing to make 15 million when it's really like, it's a way to distribute money to the best players in the game, right?

It is, and I just don't view it. One, I don't think anyone is really underpaid in golf. I think to your point, you know, if Rory finishes T6 and Chez finishes T6, they take home the same amount of money. And that's probably not right. But in theory, like, bro, for a season long race, you're saying, or just for like a one week. Just like based on the market, you're saying that.

I'm saying, well, I'm saying in a world of what has been generated for like the tour, Rory's providing a hell of a lot more for that than Chez Reveas. Sorry, to make it personal for Ches. How about Ches making a million dollars today? Hey, congratulations. He made a million dollars for finishing eighth place.

And so, and there's some people chirping on Twitter this week that's like, oh well, you know, compared to other sports, like golfers are underpaid, compared to NBA and NFL and all that. Like, that's, it's totally irrelevant to me. I feel like there's like six golfers that are underpaid. Who's got to be the guy that's what I'm saying. Six golfers are underpaid. I don't know if it's totally irrelevant to me. I feel like there's like six golfers that are underpaid. Who's got to be in the center? That's what I'm saying. There's six golfers that are underpaid.

I don't know if it's exactly the same. It's vast majority of our overpaid. On course earnings are underpaid. I mean, Rory makes a shitload of money off the course. I'm not saying he doesn't make a ton of off his marketability, but like for a basket, if golf was like other sports, if you're forming teams, let's say, like how much money is Rory fetching

on the open market compared to Ches Revy, to be on your team? And he would get paid a lot more. I got to pick someone else. Okay, so pick one. Cooke, pick one. Jason Cokrek. Jason Cokrek, well, you made the tour championship.

I know, that's what I'm saying. So that is, if it was a free market economy, I mean, under their salary caps and football and basketball and stuff, but compared to baseball, it is performance-based, but it's like projecting going forward. So like no one is buying a shitload of Jason Cocrack stock, but he can go out next week

and make more money than Rory does. And that's kind of the hard part of this conversation. It's like I think that's one of my favorite things about golf too is like, I don't know if you missed the cut, man. Like yeah, I'm not saying a problem with it. I just have a problem with people being like, oh yeah, those guys are underpaid.

This is an injustice of any kind, which I know it's not what you're saying, Trump. But some people out there are and saying, this was the way to get players paid of the rest of athletes, get paid. No, no, you get paid based on who's willing to spend the money. In this case, FedEx.

I don't know what would happen if FedEx just wasn't there. Would somebody else pay half as much to sponsor the season one? I think a good comp is tennis. Because tennis is basically strictly merit-based and strictly kind of eating what you kill. Career money leader in women's tennis. Yes, how much? Total earnings. 78 million dollars.

Serena's 190.6 million. Venus is second at 41. So Serena's like the cat basically. And then Venus, but you've got SharePova at 38 million. You've got Wozniaki, Shout out Rory at 34 million. You got some pretty big numbers. So I do think just in the grand scheme of things, golfers, the fields are bigger. The top guys are probably overpaid based on the value that they're underpaid.

Oh sorry, underpaid based on the value that they're bringing to a tournament with ratings, gate and attendance figures with, you know, the stuff that they're basically just people giving a shit. But it would be the same way in tennis. Like, you know, if you finish in third place of the USO with US women's open in tennis. Like, you know, if you finish in third place of the USO with US women's open in tennis, you get the same, if you're serena Williams or if you're, I don't know, more than five women's tennis players, sorry, but you get the same amount of money.

But I'm just saying even just looking at the PGA tour career money list versus the WTA career money list, like that's kind of jarring to see that serena Williams, like, I mean, and this isn't anything against women's tennis or anything, but that like, there's probably like a lot of the current players and women's tennis are making probably more than a lot of the guys on the pro golf. The US women's tennis is the same thing. The champ of the US women's open makes like 4.7 million bucks or something like that.

But again to that point, and this is why it's not translatable, because a lot of people this week were saying, well, I'll look at the LPGA purse this week versus the, it's like, those are two completely different markets. In the same way that women's tennis is a completely different market. And women's tennis is truly a global tour and there's a lot more sponsors that are, you know, so I get that, but I think it's those guys in that, you know, good friends with some of them. That guy's in that 50 through 90 or like outside the top 50 or 60 in the world that are like I think

they're making they're making out like bandits because it's not just the stuff that they're earning on course here. It's also like the stuff that's going in their pension, these deferred payments and all that. I mean there's some of these guys have pensions well into the eight figures. Well and that but I don't I'm trying to think of you know before I ask it like who's the most under the best example of an underpaid player in golf? And I don't know if I have one off the bat.

Well, we're talking, and I'm counting with this on and off course. Who is getting screwed by the system currently? I can't. I have a hard time thinking anyone's getting screwed by the system. There's a shitload of money to come to the golf. The only thing that I can possibly think, and some of it, is like, he just doesn't have an equipment deal, but like Brooks.

Yeah, but like, so to this point, I mean, it's far away the best player in the world. But the money, the money comes to the tour, right? The tour pays, it's executives, a good amount of money, but like, you know, you could, that's every sport I think. That's what I'm saying, and they pay a lot of employees to run it, but like, there's not like an owner

that's holding back money from Pugiot to our players. No, I totally agree, and that's what I'm saying. And they pay a lot of employees to run it. But there's not like an owner that's holding back money from PGO to our players. I totally agree. And that's where I kind of agree with both of you. I guess that's pretty typical, I guess. But echo chamber DJ. But no, I agree that there are five, six, seven, eight players that are probably woefully, like quote-unquote,

underpaid. But I also don't think there's like really much you can do to fix it or change it. It's just kind of the accept appearance fees. Yeah, that's the good point. I'm not going to quote underpaid, but I also don't think there's like really much you can do to fix it or change it. It's just kind of the, accept appearance fees. Yeah, that's the good point. All right, I guess what I'm saying is on this, you know, and it's totally thrown out the window if like Chaz wins or something. But if, you know,

Mom, man, we're not doing this. Rory wins 15 million, the guy that finishes fourth wins, how much? And it's a season long competition. It's like, all right, like are you really distributing that efficiently? Three million, for sure, you know. And that gets into the whole point of like, whether this money matters from a, a, from an entertainment standpoint,

like do people care that they're paying for $15 million? Well, the tour needs to make up their mind, right? It's either like, hey, like you're gonna advertise it, they're playing for this and like lean into it or just like, don't make it a thing at all. Well, I think on the broadcast this year, you kind of had more than, I felt like you heard more about it this year than in years past.

Like I feel like you heard the 15 million number a lot more. 10 million, you know, back in, like, I feel like if you went back and watched the broadcast, like whether that's the tour pulling the strings or whether it's whatever, it's a lot more like the FedEx cup, the FedEx cup rather than like about 10 million. But again, I thought, you know, to a point,

I didn't care that much. I'm trying to germ up interest of like, wow, Brooks gets us up and down extra million bucks, but I just have no clue what the hell that means to him. And it doesn't seem to really mean that much to those guys. And JT, you know, climbing the leaderboard there at the end was making like a million bucks for every birdie that he made, which is again, I'm like, he made 20 million bucks two years ago.

Like, how much does he really care about that? But I felt like, and this isn't, I don't mean to, this is a backhanded, make this the last shot at NBC, or I'm sorry, it's CBS for the season. But they did a good job on a post, this is a good noir. No, they did a good job, NBC did a great job of like,

promote like talking about setting the scene. You know, when Xander came out of the tee box, you and I, I tune in the back nine, DJ. We, you know, we tuned in and we missed out on Xander, kind of a front nine and they just set the scene. 10th tee, we're going commercial free, rest of the way. Xander has had trouble for Hidden Fairways all day. He's two shots back and where he's sitting right now,

this is the situation. I was like, oh god, god, they just explain the situation. The drama is right there. So I thought they delivered all they could for what the tour could have wanted out of the last two hours of the season. Commercial free, which is phenomenal. Frustrating that they don't do it the rest of the year. But now we see that it is possible.

It's also figuring out how to bake in commercials to the action, like kind of what we were talking about. What you were talking about with like new bar on a few pods ago where, like kind of what we were talking about. What you were talking about with like new bar with a few pods ago where like, hey, this 20 minutes brought to you by so and so company, it's basically like, I'm sure they dropped FedEx enough times to where. Which is fine, totally.

Like it's a win for the viewer, I think, overall. Two takeaways I had were just how cluttered the trophies were in the past. That seemed a lot, and granted, we didn't really watch the trophy presentation, but like them talking about, yeah, he gets this calamity chain, putter, and then he gets the actual FedEx cup,

and then he gets all the money. And it's kind of a manifestation of how many cooks in the kitchen there are. And even this year, it's still, like I keep saying, I mean, it's a step in the right direction towards like streamlining this and keeping some of those hands off of, you know, just away from like distracting people even further and further and further. Like trying to explain, it's still not perfect.

And that's what I want to kind of have the other side of this coin is trying to explain like to my wife or to various people this weekend. Like, oh, okay, so this, okay, so wait, what tournament is this or what's going on? I'm trying to explain the whole, well, this person based on a semi-arbitrary points list that kind of changed over the last two events,

but not the previous 42 events. Like, based on where they are there, they're starting at this score, but then there used to be two trophies, but now there's not. And so now there's only one, and so it all gets rolled together, and two of very casual golfing or even non-casual golfing, that was still kind of like, yeah, okay, I don't know.

I'm going to say you've got a simple sentence you can say. It's the culmination of the season of champions. That's really what I'm saying. Season of championships. That's true. Speaking of the season of championships, Jay Mon really what that is. Season of championships. That's true. Which speaking of the season of championships, Jay Monahan figured out how to get that in there at the end. And then also, is it just me, or the shoes that he wears?

He always looks like he's wearing some like DJ. I think you called him first communion shoes. I do don't think I said that. I don't remember saying that. But they just look like these clunky, like, you know, it's like, yeah, good job. You graduated from A3. The last thing I need is someone reflecting that back and criticizing my shoes. That's where I come in.

I like to strike that for the record. But to your point, though, I think, again, maybe this is the best comparison, but compared to what it was before, I guess it's easier to explain than it was before. I think it's like, based on your to date season, they've handicap this final championship, and that's what they're doing. They're going to go play for it. It's handicap, and then once it's out,

once the first T-Shots hit, you know exactly where it went, Stain. No, I agree, it's better. It was easier. Do they do that to Tour de France? For the last day, I don't want, I've never won. No, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all mine.

It's all mine, no matter. It's all mine, no matter. See, that's what they should do. And the Tour de France, the last stage, doesn't matter. Like the guys are, it's already locked down that, you know, Champs-Elysées with champagne. But I think my problem with it, I just don't like East Lake. And I'm like, there's a take there.

From Atlanta, I just don't think it's good for this format. For, it's not a volatile golf course. It's a bombers paradise. I don't know, I just don't think it's not a volatile golf course, it's a bomber's paradise. I don't know, I just don't think it's a very engaging golf course for being a viewer. I think it's way better with the Nines lift. I think there's some interesting goals coming in. You got 15, but like 16, 17 are not great.

They're super interesting. They're made great birdie on 17. And a great par save on 16. Like that was interesting to watch, but those aren't cool. 17 is not a good hole. 18 is cool. 18 is a good hole. Yeah, 18 is a good hole.

And the par, you know, having the par 3 as part of the kind of like finishing 15 I guess. Yeah, having part of the fifth hole or whatever. Yeah, having it as part of the finishing stretch is great rather than having it on it, you know, two in the afternoon or whatever. But yeah, I'm with you, man. And this isn't related to the lighting strike stuff, but there's always seems to be weather. And it just really drives home.

I know Sally, you've said it a million times, and as have other people. But something on the West Coast, in prime time, would be so much more preferable, I think. I think the people, and maybe this isn't maybe the best bridge for what you're saying. The people though that were upset about the format that tried to protect like, oh, like a 72-hole tournament, like all the rest of them are. I'm like, no, that's the exact reason why you shouldn't be a 72-hole stroke play tournament.

We don't need another 72-hole stroke play tournament. And I know that wasn't in direct relation to what you're just saying. I didn't get that. I didn't get that. I forgot to say that earlier. They should do a shugout. Hold the shit we don't do. We don't do more of those. Yeah, sure.

Totally. Hey, the top 10 guys, we're going out playing in a single group. And be phenomenal. Winner take all in. That would be, yeah, that's must see stuff. I mean, they're ancient. Again, I never thought they would go for what they currently did.

I did not think that this is something that they would have the balls to do. And I'm so glad they did. So glad who was second in the net or in the growth. And the growth. Xander was second in the growth. And that was third. He was, I'm not sure. I mean, checking with the DC 606 on Twitter was falling.

I think Xander got closer to the pin on 15 as well. They had a great shot in there down the stretch. I was blown away at how far back some of these guys finished, too. Yeah, we just let themselves on fire. For sure. Paul Casey was minus seven, Xander was minus 10, and Rory was minus 13. And then Capca was six, Adam Scott five, Ches was five.

But again, I mean, the way the, the way the money would have been distributed would have had to be incredibly similar to how it was last year. I'm sure. It's just way easier to follow this year. And who the hell cares who actually wins the tournament. I mean, like, why would you? Well, the only thing is like, so now this counts as like an official full-on victory for Rory, which I guess like, it just happened, just so happened this year that like he did win both but but if if people are upset Paul Casey finishing fifth like would have had the lowest score like I Don't know if people are giving giving a getting a victory for this is really weird protecting

If you were trying to protect the sanctity of the official world golf rankings This is not where you start. This is not this term is not where you start all right There's so many other issues don't don't try to be a hero Like they're the amount, the amount of, you know, and we're about to enter the European tour SCN where they have all these events this fall and they're gonna rack up a bunch points and jump inside.

Couple guys are gonna sneak inside the top 50, getting the masters. I'm telling you, there's so many issues with the official world-offering. It is not gonna come down to anything that happened at East. Like, so. The Salis, like, he's like one of the politicians running for office where no matter what question you ask him, it comes back to their like stump speech stuff and that's the official

world golf raking. No matter what you talk to him about, he's gonna shoe-horned it. I'm fighting for justice, all right? Will you ride with me or will you not? I need your vote! Will you join my campaign? All right, a quick break. Chad gave me Dealer's choice actually on whatever I wanted

to talk about, whatever products, cowboy product that I wanted to talk about. You can probably guess I'm going with the truvis. Had a lot of people asking about it at the summit this week. Why I was obsessed with these things. Everyone got a little sleeve of truvises in their bags at the summit, truvi trying to say, we're recording this in the car, sorry.

Tell the people I shot by loader. No, okay, they can't hear you. I'm under the air with the truvisin we're recording this in the car sorry uh... the people i shot my lower uh... i agree they can hear you they can hear you they can hear you did you make sure that gets entered uh... the truvus golf balls all the chrome sauce that you know and love the ball that changed the ball i don't know what it is about the pattern on these things but it's helped my putting immensely my chipping immensely

it you for whatever reason it helps to see the ball rolling end over in and makes every putt look beautiful. It's helped my confidence. I couldn't make any pots this week but I still am sticking with the truvas. Just give it a shot. I promise I'm not asking to go buy it. Five dozen. Just try them. I have a feeling you like them. And if you do, calibagolf.com for all your truvas needs. They're so good to chip with as TC. But please, please do not take that as any kind of actual endorsement. It is not getting better. Now let's get the... Let's get back to the podcast. I was blown away at, uh, a, Koocher, you know, that was kind of sick.

Really, he was plus four today. Really went backwards today. How far did JT, what did he shoot in the, in the gross? JT in the gross. Again, this is courtesy of VC 606 on Twitter. He shot three under. He tied T9 basically for the gross. Three under, so he was what, seven, what did you say, seven back of Roy? He finished, ten back of Roy. Yeah. So I did like the, you know, the people saying that just how big even an advantage like two shots was at the beginning of the week, like disappears very fast. That's what I'm saying.

After third day, the lead report is going to be jumbled. Yeah. Like halfway through third day, it's going to get jumbled, and it's going to kind of just be a golf tournament going forward. I think, I think who's, he was terrified, he was going to have to write a big ass check. Yeah, what do we think happens with like for you with players with caddies of how they pay out this this event?

I've heard of both ways from I know I think like Billy Horser was one that gave the full on 10%. Yeah. I think other guys have I can't really remember any other kind of like names of people who have won it or what they've done with it. But I know he was one. So I've definitely heard of both ways, where some guys will give 5%, some guys will give whatever. But it's up to 15 million, which is a little bit more now. I would think like Rory and Harry are pretty close. I'm guessing he would go full 10%.

Right? I don't have to think. Big ass here for you. Or there's the cash component, and there's also a deferred component too. Which I think it's 14 million in cash. 14 million cash, but but for the guys farther down Yeah, so I didn't realize that everybody who doesn't make the tour championship they get no cash all deferred Yeah, how long is it deferred? It just goes to retirement count

I'm assuming just goes into your pension in your retirement count like that's what I know That was off the people's radar is like look how much money we're giving away But well that was the thing with the whole VJ He's off the people's radar is like look how much money we're giving away But that was the thing with the whole VJ lawsuit like that was to be all the summer that that like they didn't have to open their books and show everybody that was gonna be sick Jamie Kennedy tweeted since Rory since Harry Diamond has been on Rory's bag, which was the 2017 bridge stone Rory has made 29.2 million dollars 2017 bridge stone. Rory has made $29.2 million.

That's wild man. That's deep. And he says if you give away 10%, if he gives 10 to Harry, it'll be 2.9 million, but you can't, he's don't necessarily earn 10%. Yeah, but if you won every single one of those, that's certainly quite out. That works. But the other thing, like Harry's just fun. Like when Fieryck won or like, when it was all the, Reop in the nightclub. Or cat won like, when it was all deferred.

Yeah. Like that, that, that shit grows to, Oh, can you imagine? like a bike club. Or Cat 1, like we mean. And it was all deferred. Like that shit grows to, oh, can you imagine? 40, 50 million dollars. Yeah, some time, you know. Yeah, you know, maybe these guys are not underpaid. Don't really put it in that regard with how the pension stuff works. That's pretty wild.

It's a black box. It is kind of funny though, how much, you know, it was like, oh, don't talk about the money. And now it's like money money money money money But it's yeah the cash is different than like what we're actually paying them and whatnot because 10 you know 10 million dollars deferred is very different than 10 million dollars Like today. I won't do a full economics lesson because I don't remember Nobody wins a lottery and takes the takes the lump or takes the deferred amount they take the lump of course, you know yeah the lumps are takes the deferred amount they take the lump of course yeah yeah

Speaking of a lump sum you got to look at these OWGR points how they're distributed because it's absolutely disgrace See you're taking my points boiling down in a one little thing that you could label and make fun of and criticize and No one listens to the details anymore So the total the total on the cash for the guys in the torch championship field, it was $34 million in cash. First of all, I think it's very obvious. I think everybody would agree that should have that cash on the first tee. Yes. That should not be hiding in whatever banking implement that you

have. And then they have another nearly 12 million in deferred, which should be goes basically like, I don't know how you put that on the first tee, but you figure out a way. So you finish 30th, you get a 190 cash 205 in a fur. Put a little chart up there of what the current day got you. Yeah, they should have like the, yeah, well, no free ads,

but there's a commercial with the guy who's doing all the, you know, the line drawings and stuff up on the murals, they should do one of those to show just how this money's going to work for you. Starting tomorrow. I think the, I think, don't touch the, I think the other thing to remember is, so there's another 14 million in deferred income going to the guys

that didn't make the tour championship, the 31 through 150. So you finish 150th on the money list this year, at a file accounts, you know, not a great year, didn't keep your card, not a successful year, still get $75,000 or $70,000. Thanks for playing. Do we have an official statement from Randy yet?

Or so he was a little confused on what I was asking for. I, what I was asking was a statement on the Rory win. Yeah. Here's, this is what he sent me, quote, quote. Big Randy would like to sincerely congratulate his team on winning the inaugural Fred X come Max Homa Dylan for telewindem Clark Matt Jones who Steve and

Yeager and Jose to Hasey Sradriga as you may know him as a shrimp. Each one of these men displayed the heart of a warrior and will forever be remembered as champions from inauspicious beginnings we stayed together trusted ourselves and the plan kept fighting with resolve and determination and found success individually and collectively. Class acts each and every one of you. Celebrate this tonight with each other, your loved ones and all your friends, teachers, mentors, coaches, and people that made this possible. We will enjoy the pizza together in the future, but for now, enjoy the moment. You deserve it. God bless Fred X. God bless the supers.

And God bless, pay at their bike. End quote. What a sick guy. God. And you accused me of twisting everything into one topic. His team, God was so bad at the first four or five months of the year. I mean, in a suspicious beginning,

can you get his Rory statement? Yeah, let me clarify. Let me follow up on that. Who finished last? Me or Neal? That's a great question. We'll have to look into that We're into a whole another we're gonna do a whole trap draw I guess it is worth noting the reason I was asking for that quote is ever since Randy put DJ on his deathbed DJ finished dead last He tied for dead last. Excuse me. He took home. I think four hundred thousand dollars

He's been he had a tough little finish to the season there, which we don't really see out of, this is Dustin Johnson, DJ RavGuard, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. I think people probably realize. I mean, DJ and Lucas Glover finishing plus 10. Saturday, Sunday, can you imagine just how checked out?

Yeah, that's the same. I'm sure the 400 grand helps a little bit. For what is worth, Randy did issue a statement on Twitter a bit earlier about it. Oh, that's right. Roy St. Roy was living, quote, six feet under par. a little bit. For what is worth Randy did issue a statement on Twitter a bit earlier about it. That's right. Rory saying Rory was living, quote, six feet under par. After winning the players and the FedEx Cup.

I mean, it is such a weird year for Rory. I mean, I know, like, he played such unbelievable golf. Maybe the best golf he's played from beginning of the year to the end of the year in his entire career. Yet all of the most important events that he would have wanted to play that golf, he did not play it. Two, like non-competitive top 10s at majors and missed cut and a non-competitive non-competitive. Whatever man.

He bookended the season in championships. Like that's never been done. That's a rare error. That's never been done. Does anybody care about the PJ Tour player of the year? Does any, like any... For sure, I think it's fun to argue about. It's fun, nobody cares, but I think it's fun to argue.

Every year, it's like, oh, what's it gonna be for the player of the year? And it's always so obvious who the player of the year is. Well, last year we got that video, right? About the, this bad boy's coming home with me. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, you know, that people talking.

That's true. Who do you, I mean, it's Brooks, right? The bad boy's going home with Brooks. He already said it. I mean, I don Brooks, right? The bad boy's going home with Brooks, he already said it. I mean, I don't get any care at what end. Like, it's not even a conversation, but I don't know. I don't know if the tour like plants this, like, I get the journals talking about it and stuff.

Like, no human has ever sat around and talked about, who's the PJ tour player of the year? I think this is the whole thing that's just like, no, like, maybe there shouldn't just be year long golf. Maybe there's just not that much to talk about. That player of the year thing almost feels like that a little bit where it's just like, let's squeeze a couple more things to bridge this between the Tour Championship

and the Motor Championship. What do you think, Roy? Should Roy buy out his golf pass contract with the 15 minutes? No, for yet. That's a great idea. We've got to win that. We've got to certainly crunch the numbers on that. We made it pretty far without talking about Brooks's ESPN the magazine photos going on. I didn't see him until you kept showing

him on your phone. Everybody at the summit. It was just my background. I hate what's up. I'm solid. You guys see these photos? I was more sure the Greg Norman was more than I was Brooks. So you know, I was the stuff that was filmed early in the year when you lost the weight. Yeah. Yeah. I've was the stuff that was filmed early in the year when you lost the weight. Yeah, yeah. I haven't seen him. I don't know. I think the photos put an absolute end to any statement that

says he's built a linebacker. Like, please just end that. Yeah. I'm not waiting. Again, I'm not. It's like the shoes thing. I'm not waiting. Torel Suggs, Patrick Willis, would care to disagree.

He looks like he does bicep day and then skips chest day. That's what it looked like. It was, yeah, it wasn't. He's got ILS. I don't know what that is. Invisible lat syndrome. Oh, there's many treatments for that. I'm sure you can get with the $4 million you just won

this week and probably get that treated. But guys, we're, we're, we had 14 top 10s this year. In 19, 19 events. We went over that in had 14 top 10s this year in 19 events. We went over that on the live show. God, that's good. That's so good. Like I said, he played, I'm going over all the time. I'm going over all the time.

I've let him stroke Skaint T to green. He led. Singer was raving about how much he improved his putting this year. He did have a really good putting year. Which statistically it bears that out to? It does. Now, the thing with the PGA Tour stats always is like it doesn't count majors.

So like you could have your four weeks, four worst putting weeks of the year and still rank very highly in putting. So here's stats this week. What a love to. Stroke's gained off the tee first. He gained 5.3 shots on the field just off the tee. Should that be the weight-gulf of split? Stroke's gained tee to green first.

He gained 10.9 shots. Tea to green. Seems helpful. Driving distance first. Driving accuracy T3. That seems like a tough combo. A hard, the jazz reviews in the world to combat. Stroke's gained around the green second.

Stroke's gained potting 11th. So I mean, it's a beautiful formula. That's pretty cool. That's going to probably get it done. Did you guys see the, somebody had crunched the numbers that driving distance was down almost three yards on average this year? Really?

Yeah, I don't know what all really goes into that. I don't know if that's like all drive stat or if, you know, there's a lot of different factors that go into it. Or how what it was. A couple people were celebrating that pretty hard I was like, okay, I also like to point out in the 500-year history of the game of golf. This was the second highest driving distance

Everyone's like, oh, I guess it's not the golf ball now. Oh look, it's going down It's like this was like somebody pointing to a big winner storm being like Yeah, where's your global warming sure? You some of that global warming. It's with some more global warming. The fairways would have been more firm. That's true. And actually, the global warming is probably causing more rainstorms.

Yeah. There you go. Well, hey, man, we're going to get it. You know where it's not raining. South Africa, where they're playing, and they're giving away too many world ranking. Now, you got the hang of it. We should put him on a embargo on an OWGR taking bargo. go like you were on a coverage taken bar. No, I welcome it. I think it's I think it's great I just want to point I just want to point out that it like I'll often shoot horned it like three months ago

Tron goes you guys see how many play points fourth place gets on the Euro tour this week I was like yeah, I've been trying to tell you guys that I was just trying to poke You were actively rooting for Alex no one that is not true at all So you could that is what my face. I would that is a baseless accusation I just would have thought you guys would have apologized for how right I was about Alex no more but you guys haven't and so here we are I have to bring it up again First of all another shout out to Rory that putt that he hit on, what was that on 16? That was massive.

That was a big ass putt. The part that was, I said this to DJ, as soon as he hit the putt, it's like, that was a burn on 17, so. The par save on 16, it was like, that was the putt that when you're there in person, you're like, whoa, that is a burn putt. And on TV, it's kind of like, oh, I was burning up that one.

And then the birdie putt had a shitload of curve in it. Yeah. Dude, he played great, man. Where's got stones, man? He played great. Everyone else kind of, I don. And, dude, you played great, man. Where's Got Stones, man? You played great. Everyone else kind of, I don't want to say you got crowned, because you played great all day. Well, a couple little hiccups, but there

were some wilting going on around the day. It seemed like the money affected some people. I'd have a hard time. I think you're more used to competing in majors and in big tournaments, because just knowing that's the prestige that you're after, but I in majors and in big tournaments because just knowing that's the prestige that you're after, but I would imagine a different feeling playing for that much money. I'd be really curious to know how the guys that once were already kind of left ahead,

how those guys were doing calculations in their head about. How much money? Hey, all right, third nets me this, fourth nets me this, how much that's playing in the strategy in real time. Paul Casey, all he had to do was two putt from six feet on the last hole and he left the short. It was so obvious that he didn't even dig it was roasted. I'm like, yeah, he knew exactly what he needed to do there because he couldn't gain any

strokes by making or gain any place by making the putt. On the corn fairy tour, Victor Hovlin is heading to the BGA tour officially. Unbelievable. I think we knew that might happen. What a freaking stud. On, yeah, he finished second place behind Matthew Nismith. Am I saying that right? Nismith.

Nismith. Yeah. James Nismith. James Nismith. He's great. He's a great son. Brandon Haguey wrapped it up with a runner-up finish after a close call last week.

We got one of our young hitters, Charlie Saxon. He's currently in T23. He's inside the cut line right now. He needs another good week next week. Hank Lebiota is up there, hopefully looking to get his card. And it looks like Robert Strab is locked in now. This shrimp, 20th in the finals bucket. The extra crispy finals bucket.

Give me some people on the bubble. Another young hitter, Justin Lauer, T34, going in next week. So I could lock it up with a good week next week. It's volatile, with three events. It's totally volatile. And ZB had another good week. And so the Fredis cup draft, I think we need to draft all 50 this year.

Yeah, I think that's probably right. That'd be fun. For sure. Listen, all for that. I also think, just, I can't get over Houghland, like just coming off the tours and like missing it that that narrowly and then just coming in Just taking care of his no doubt just getting it done. Which like he's super talented and quote unquote like should do this But it's like not a guarantee you gotta go to you like start hitting a little bit shaky and even if you're that talented It doesn't mean you're gonna beat a ton of really seasoned professionals.

The Gornferry Finals, it's not the Cornferry Tour. It is 75 guys that played the PGA Tour previous, this season, and it's not just another Cornferry event, so it's a much better field and much more challenging than just the normal Cornferry event. Airbnb, keeping his card back, Honour Bottle Harry. That took a lie with my friend. Cramer Hickock, Bronson, Bergoon. You know what, I want to give a shout out to Ryan Brem. I've been critical of Ryan Brem in the past. I think you could call him the worst golfer,

either in the world or in professional golf. But yeah, I think I did. So there's a difference between player and golfer. Exactly. It's kind of like the throw or pitcher analogy. Exactly. We use a lot. So, yeah, another good finish for Zach.

Can we be very big, Scotty Sheffler? All those guys up there. Can we revisit Isvoria, a throw or not a pitcher? One more you need to see. Yeah, I'll have another part. I still think he's probably, he's more of like a closer, or like a eight thinning setup man than he is like a coherent number one or number two starter. I just got an update on statement from Randy, by the way.

This is regarding Rory, who he pronounced dead after he missed the cut at Rural Port Rush. He says quote, nothing changes. He's dead. Only a major can bring him back in a green jacket gives him eternal life Okay, there you have it. So stop every time he wins stop blowing rate actually keep blowing radio stop adding Stop adding no laying up on this I don't read these anymore All right, you guys want to wrap it here. We can talk about the summit here a little bit before we get into that Can we talk about the a on risk reward challenge? Oh, yes, please take this. Oh, please. Tell us.

Sick. Or yesterday. So on the LPGA, they're doing the extremely convoluted A on risk reward challenge, which I don't even know how it works. The basis is there's one hole each week, and there's some sort of cumulative score throughout the year based on what you do on that whole, right?

Shout out to the Codec Challenge for about a day. Which was the OG, like that was a good one where it was very simple, straightforward. And this one, yeah, that one was like a relation to par, right? Like 25 under. On the most picture-ass goal. And this one's like your like minus 7.865 and I, yeah, I don't know how it works, but the winner gets a million dollars. There's, oh, there's another free million dollars that Brooks got this year

Brooks wanted her Jay day wanted Brooks one. Okay, which yeah good for him. Yeah, but they're doing the same thing on the LPG I tore it's the same same money same prize and everything like that. So Leanne pace Who's currently leading in the aggregate? She made a quad. She made a nine on her 14th hole, which happened to be the A-on-risk for a challenge hole. This is at the Magna Golf Club for the CP Women's Open. So she withdrew toward the end of the round.

withdrew. Yeah, just didn't even sign her card. Just withdrew, thus negating the scores. She cited a hip injury. She said, listen, I know what the optics on this look like. I know what this looks like. It's not like that, which, you know, honestly, I think she should just lean into it and say.

So yeah, it's a glitch in the system. It was, you know, like it closed the loophole. She's currently in the lead by 0.49 shots. What is that? It's got to wrap up pretty quick, right? I think they've got like, probably, what, four or five more events for this thing. So we'll see.

It's gonna be interesting. I always have a very hard time projecting any injury thoughts on other people. There's no way to know. Yeah, it's possible she made the nine because her hip was hurt. Yes, like very much so. She said she was like,

hey, like my hip was like very out of place. One leg was five inches longer than the other by the end of the round. How is that possible? That sounds horrible. Yeah, impressive. She made a nine. Yeah, use that million to get that corrected.

I don't know what to think. Well, let's say that she did WD to protect her standing the a-on-risk war challenge Well, how would you feel about that? I celebrate It's sweet The game went in the game like it's close the loophole, man You know all right, anyway, I just wanted to give a special shot to that because that was really cool Yeah, that's an important one to get on the on the gen young Young co one again on the LPGA tour won the CP women's open. Brooke Anderson gave it a run.

I thought she was going to get the podcast bump, but yeah, gen. Young co is unbelievable. I didn't get to watch any of it, but it's all right. It was her. Her one leg was five centimeters longer than the other. That's the way it makes sense. Yeah.

Five inches. All right, let's wrap this with a little discussion here on the summit. We had our first ever no-ling-up event at Common Ground Golf Course here in Denver, more specifically in Aurora, Colorado. We put this on with the help of the Colorado Golf Association, and mostly with the help of Aaron Gregory, which we will touch on as well, but had a very, I would call it a very successful event.

TC was our head chairman and CEO and founder. He's like Fred Ridley. Yeah. You guys invited me to boot here to talk to you about. Yeah, talking about. Everything we're doing out here in the community. First of all, let me just say wow. Great to be with you guys.

Great. Thank you for everything you guys do. You're welcome for this community. We had a great dinner. That's my favorite when the CEO comes in. We had such a great dinner last night, Jim. The fans don't know what the hell I'm talking about. You and I, we were tipping a feedback.

It was great. But before you turn it off, and if you were in attendance, I think we want to talk about what our goal was with this. T.C., I'm going to turn it over to you and talk about what was successful, what worked, and hopefully a lot more of these in the future. Yeah, so ideally, this is the first of many. For the first one, we knew there were going to be

possibly some kings, possibly. We just didn't, A, we didn't know what the hell we were doing. So that's why we brought, my partner with Collar Golf Association, and with Aaron, who runs an events business here in Denver that's all over the country, private collection consulting. Basically, wanted to do it for charity for a good cause that we all, it's not near and

dear to our hearts because none of us are from Colorado, but it was almost like, hey, let's find the best example of people that are doing good stuff in the game and then figure out how to shine a spotlight on that and get some funds there away. So I think we accomplished both of those things. We had a great Thursday night party. Tom Doak was, I'm sure people will be listening to that. This will release that this week. We did a live podcast with Tom Doke and Eric Iverson

at the event on Thursday night. We'll put that out on Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. And so you guys will hear that conversation in full. Which, to their credit, I'd never played coming ground before this week. It was blown away. It was such a cool course. And it was really valuable to be able to hear Tom and Eric talk about the process of building

it. Which to that point, we talk a lot about common ground in the podcast as well. And if you haven't seen the golf course before, I still find the conversation extremely relevant. I mean, yeah, we had never been out here. DJ Ben out here, I think you mentioned it maybe 78 times this week. That played here a couple of times, but it is a public golf course, like 20 minutes from downtown Denver, maybe not even that far. That is $48 for locals to play, a Tom Doke design,

and it's an incredible condition. And it's about, it's got always amazing practice facilities, a part three course for juniors, which is free for juniors, free for adults. If you bring a junior, they have a youth-owned course program there, $5 for youth to play there. They have this sole, oh, let me get the name right. So we're caddy leadership academy,

which is a caddy program that they have there, which is where the funds that were raised to this event were are sent to, and it's just so much good energy going on around this place. And it was just kind of, and I ask, we'll get to this, but it's kind of like, what are your ass doken? I just want to compare these for this and they kind of struggle to come up with an example because this is, you come here, you play it, if you're ever

in Denver, please go check out Common Ground and you will walk away being like, why doesn't my city have one of these? I think the comms for like, stopover in Scotland. Yeah. I think it was very different from anything else I've seen here in the US and it's owned by the Colorado Gulf Association, which I think is a cool model that you don't massive very often. Yeah, and there's just a different priority at stake rather than, you know, it's not a land developer that owns it. It's not anything like that. It's the people who are trying to, you know, do it. People can roll their eyes saying, saying, grow the game, but it's people who are trying to, like, make the game better in their own backyard, and they have a facility to do it, which is awesome.

Yeah, so it was our hope that people would kind of come in and see this, bring those seeds back to their home community. Bunch of locals come out for, especially the Thursday party, and then we had a bunch of people come in from around the country. We had a band on Thursday night. It was awesome. The views with the mountains were fantastic.

Just a wonderful golf culture here in Denver. A lot of good public golf all around too. They've got a 400 person mens league at this place. It's just everything that you can kind of picture right about the game of golf is happening there. But yeah, just again, thank you to Aaron Gregory if you're looking for any sort of event in the future. Unreal.

I mean, the stuff that went into this, we were kind of like, dude, this is not like a one-day golf event. We kind of want to keep some of this stuff, like all these signs. They made a mobile killhouse out where we recorded the podcast. They took the wall from the actual killhouse and printed it and added some Colorado pictures into it too. I mean, just the little touches, they had a little frame picture of me with Alex Noren, which was Photoshopped pretty heavily.

They had Randy and Ricky together. Yeah, they had Neil with his juicy tattoo. It was just, all the touches were amazing. The incredible group of people gathered and it was just so much good enthusiasm around it and we can't wait to do it again. It was one of the most meaningful, like selfishly, one of the most meaningful things to,

I think, I don't wanna speak for the entire group that we've ever done. That's how I felt. People always ask us what is knowing up and we struggle to answer that sometimes. Is it a media company? Is it, you know, what are we? And at the end of the day, it's kind of, it's kind of a community, right? And this was the manifestation of that community and getting to meet a bunch of people from a bunch of different places that, you know, kind of, and you brought them together.

So that was a cool, I don't wanna give a huge shout out to the actual Cadi program, because like you said, there's just not that many $50 golf courses that you go to that has a junior Cadi program, and it's something that's typically totally reserved for private golf courses,

just because of the way the economics of cadding work and caddy programs. But Colorado Golf Association has put a huge premium on making sure that they have a place for kids to work and have jobs and be introduced to golf and all these things. So my caddy who deserves a huge shout out, Lindsay is her name. She was 14. She was a second year caddy. All the caddies you can tell which year it is by what color hat they have on. I got the second year caddy, which is a huge advantage. I think I'll have solid. Meeting someone like that is like she had never been on a golf course before she started cadding. Never didn't have one idea what the hell golf

was. She showed up now. She's just a complete sicko, she's wasting all her time on the range and the short course and they get free golf instruction, they get all these different things and just a super impressive like young person that I never would have ever crossed paths with. And then they get, and then after they're two years is up, year two is up, they basically get placed over at, you know at Colorado Golf Club or Cherry Hills or Castle Pines or any of those places and then eight to ten years that this thing's been around. They've had twenty of them in scholars.

It's just insane. There's a cool sign in the clubhouse too and I forget what said before but basically the sign would just like bring someone along or introduce somebody to the game because someone brought you to the golf course for the first time at some point too. Yeah. I was like, that kind of stuck with me a little bit. bring someone along or introduce somebody to the game because someone brought you to the golf course for the first time at some point too. And I was like, that kind of stuck with me a little bit. Like, yeah, every person's relationship with the game starts with their first trip to the golf course.

And big thanks to Gary Albrecht for helping us out as well. He was a big kind of, we met him at another event and he was instrumental in getting us out here to Colorado. He actually qualified for the US senior AM and shows to be at the summit instead. So shout out to him and then that's, yeah. And then we had the occasion Thursday night

to play with Ari Hockman, a little seven-year-old guy. That was like probably the highlight of the week for me. This kid was, he's got Down syndrome, he is the most pure driver of the golf ball. I've never seen. Future Special Olympian next year. Yeah, so yeah, his dad, along with some others, is trying to get Special Olympics golf program

kind of off the ground here in Colorado. So that was really cool to hear about, too. Yeah, it was just great vibes. Callaway, BMW, Holderness, Schwab, all contributed greatly to the event and contributed equipment and tickets and all kinds of cool stuff. Imperial hats, too. Imperial hats. It was awesome. It was just great, great vibes. We can't wait to do it again. If we come to your town, then please sign up. Or if we don't come to your town, just come out and join us.

And in our winners, the snow brothers, they made a quad on their first... They made a triple hole. A triple hole. A triple hole. And still one, I think it's a lot like that. And it is in modified alternate shot mode. Two brothers, one's like a one handicap and there's an 18 handicap. So the fact that they did what they did, especially in the all shot, it was remarkable.

Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it at that. We are headed off to play a little golf before we head back to Jacksonville and look for another podcast going up Tuesday with Tom Doke and Eric Iverson from the summit and Thank you to everyone for tuning in cheers Right club be the right club today That's

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