No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 247: Solheim Cup & Greenbrier Recap

Episode Date: September 16, 2019

Team Europe wins the Solheim Cup in Scotland, and we discuss Suzann Pettersen insanely clutch putt (and immediate retirement), the Korda sisters, Lexi Thompson, Georgia Hall, and everything else from the week. We also discuss Danielle Kang's comments, the overreaction, team events, Joaquin Niemann's win at the Greenbrier, Kevin Chappell's insane route to a T47, and some listener questions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast. Tron, you mentioned on a recent podcast you spoke with Alex Baldwin from the Corn Ferry Tour. First thing she said was you guys need to introduce yourself on the pod.

I ran into her yesterday. First thing she says, Sully, love the podcast. You guys gotta introduce yourself. So I'll I ran into her yesterday, first thing she says, solid, love the podcast, you guys gotta introduce yourself. So I'll let you take it away from here. Hey, everybody's Tron, there you go. It's easy. Hey, this is DJ.

Excited to be here. Yes, it's just the three of us here today. Not necessarily emergency pod, but that was a some very dramatic golf at the Soulheim Cup today. We're actually recording this as Greenbrieher is wrapping up. We have some other this as Greenbrire is wrapping up. We have some other life commitments tonight

that are forcing our issue. This is not meant as a disrespect to the troops in any way that we're recording this before the end of the military tribute at the Greenbrire. I think it is kind of an emergency pod though. I don't think we'd be doing one without the Soulheim Cup. I think that's fair. It's true.

I didn't get to see a lot of it. You guys did, I'm gonna lean on you for some of it. There's some overarching topics within the Soulung cup that I think will be interesting to discuss. We also have an event coming up this coming weekend. We do. Up at the great Pinehurst Resort, Pinehurst has been kind of a partner of ours for the whole year here.

So we're looking forward to kind of paying that off with a listener event, member event. I guess we don't have a listener event. And so yeah, we're getting a big group of people together at Pinehurst, we're going to play number two, we're going to play number four, and I think we might even shoot a wild world of golf out there on the cradle. So that's going to be extremely exciting this week. I think part of the reason, you guys, trying to just up there for the USA and but I think part of the reason we wanted to work with Pinehurst this year is they're kind of moving and shaking.

They've got a bunch of different stuff going on right now. It's drivable, it's nearby. I don't even think we make it up there. And it needs to be like, it's kind of, every time I go up there, it's definitely a reminder of how close it is and how convenient it is to Lorde's swath to the country here. So the restoration number two, I think everybody's

probably pretty familiar. You saw that at the USAM, it kind of kicked off this whole trend of these natural restorations. And it's as good as advertised, but beyond that, they have the cradle, which was designed by Gillhance. They have number four, which was just redone by Gillhance. They have a new brewery. They have updates to the hotel going on. So it's a, you know, what better place to take a buddy's trip

than like a place where we're kind of putting our money where our mouth is and taking a buddy's trip next week. So. I am dying to play number three at some point. Same. I've not played number three. I've heard it's funky and weird and wild. And if this is the first year hearing of this,

please swing by our message board, the Refuge. And join there, we kind of opened it up to members of the message board. It's free to join, to kind of fill out the spots, and it filled up pretty quickly, as we're finding our events are filling up quite quickly, which is, encourage us to keep doing more of them. So thank you, everyone, for the interest in those, and appreciate all the suggestions that have been rolling in

for future ones, and we will be doing that. Absolutely. And if you are looking to take a trip to PinehurstResort, go to PinehurstResort.com. And yeah, get a body strip on the book. It's got something for everyone, I think. And it's a good place to meet. It's a good place to get off the grid a little bit

without having to fly to one of these far-flung destinations that seem to be popping up all over the world. I've said it before, and I'll say it, I've been on quite a heater with golf, but I will still say Pinehurst too is my favorite golf course in the United States to play. So, there you have it. Listen, that's pretty good endorsement. All right, let's go straight to the Soulheim Cup.

Suzanne Patterson makes a winning eight footer, would you call it, ten footer? Yeah, maybe a little less. A do or die. Say eight. Say eight. Okay, but it was a gimmie in my opinion. Yeah, like no doubt. It was a good one.

I tweeted that Susan Patterson's a cold blooded killer before she even walked up to the green. Like, she was 100% gonna make that pun. She did what Tiger should have done. She made the winning putt and then retired. Which I think she tried to announce in the post-run press conference, and I think like, it's understandable.

Like, there's so much shit going on and people are running all over the place in Spring and Champaign, whatever. But I think she kind of tried to mention it to the golf channel person. Like, yeah, you know, I think like, it's understandable, like there's so much shit going on and people are running all over the place in Spring and Champaign, whatever, but I think she kind of tried to mention it to the golf channel person, like, yeah, you know, I think that's it for me, like I'm good. But yeah, it kind of started to trickle out afterwards. I think Lisa Cornwell mentioned it from...

J.M. Cornwell. General Cornwell mentioned it on Twitter, but she's like, no, no, no, like she's retiring. Like that's it, it's a walk-off, folks. It's a walk-off, Philly's Aine no, no, no, no, like she's retiring, like that's it. That's it's a walkoff folks. It's a walkoff, Philly's Aid, it's a walkoff. Hell of a way to do it. Regrettably, I mentioned I couldn't watch it, but like golf, team golf trumps everything.

And I love Sunday singles. I don't love the Friday, Saturday as much. I get it, it's rock as I'm sure, if you're out there, I've been to the president's cup before, needless to say, I don't think that's gonna engender the same response. Where did you go to the,

did you go to the one in Ohio? Yeah, it was awful. That was like, that's where in the, in the C suite the whole time, we were out there stuck in the rain. It was raining the whole time. You were there too? Yeah, I was there too, we were all there.

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I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, Ryder Cup and Presence Cup, the four balls in play, four groups in play, it's terrible for fans, because they let in enough people, as many people as you would, or maybe even more people, the 4PJ Tour event, and those people are spread out all over the golf course. But is it frustrating to watch singles

because you don't know what else is going on? A little bit, I mean, I think so, but it's fun because the leaderboard is, I mean, if you go trying to see everything that's going on, you're gonna fail. You have to go with the attitude of, I hope to see some good stuff. This is hopefully is dramatic. And it is dramatic to see something pop up on the board,

see a bunch of red or see a bunch of blue go up on the board. And that part is fun. And you just hear these murmurs every time they change the score. And there was one of those moments at the 2018 Ryder Cup. There was a moment where like, if it finished out the way it was, the US was gonna win on Sunday.

And then like 15 minutes later, like it was like, okay, well, we're gonna lose by six. So, let's fire a paper. Well, I think that was the thing about today at the SoulHum Cup. It was so, I've never seen it get that close at the end. For sure.

No, the like rare treasure of having a, this putt is to either win or lose. The Soul Hump Cup is like, God, that never happens. Which is torturous. If that happened to the Ryder Cup, I would have might have died. I could not have handled it. And I think she admitted,

like, because it all happened really fast, because Bronte Law won her match back on 17. Bronte Law? I think it's Bronte. Oh, kind of. It sounded a bit like a... Bronte. Br 17. Bronte Law? I think it's Bronte. Oh, it sounded a bit like a... Bronte. Bronte is saying.

Bronte is law. Bronte is. Listen, whatever, guys. This is not my forte. You're my forte. My forte. This is not my forte. My forte.

She won her match back on 17, and so that, all of a sudden, was what made Suzanne Patterson's putt for the win. So I think Suzanne admitted she didn't know that it was for the win, and I think by her own admission is probably good that she didn't know, but I'm with you. I think it was going in either way. That shot she hit in, and really all credit to the she did a great putt, but Marina Alex,

great shot in there, and really played well down the stretch. She kind of evened it back up, and I was frustrated early on because they weren't really showing that match. They weren't showing that match, and then played well down the stretch. I kind of even it back up and I was frustrated early on because they weren't really showing that match. They weren't showing that match and then they weren't really showing. They didn't show any of what's that in Anvandam, partly because they were so locked in on Daniel Kang and Carl Otisagonda who were playing so fucking slow. They got put on the clock and got bad times.

That was the part that I wasn't me. Did that like mean anything? Oh, so they got a second bad times. That was the part that I wasn't me. Did that like mean anything? Well, so they got a second bad time. Ooh, no, each of them would have gotten, or like, if they got a second bad time. Yeah, and so basically it was on the table and Segonda was still taking forever, Kang was still taking forever,

and it would have been an automatic forfeiture of whole if they would have gotten them. Which I would have loved to have seen them actually do, but it was. They should have done it concurrently to both of them on the same hole. They had a rules official come on the broadcast and be like, yeah, they have both have one bad time.

If the second one happens, then that's where the trouble starts. And I was like, wait, what does happen? That's what you're there for, right? What's gonna happen there? That was automatic forfeiture hole. Now that I know that, that was, and that was like four holes left. I think they were teeing off on 15 when that happened.

And Saganas was still taking it up to the limit. I mean, she backed off two or three times in the part three. She was like, Jags lady, who was taking it to the limit. Yeah. And then, speaking of which, shout out to Gardner Minchi, we could get to that later, baby. And I mean, the quarter match, she was down big early. Or Nelly, Nelly was down big, because I feel like

Inxter kind of tried to front load things. Kang, Korda, Thompson out first three matches, and Korda was down, she was down like three after six. A clawed back, she won five of her first six holes on the back. I feel like one of the weird things about Team Golf is when people miss short putts, it's like contagious on each team. Like it happens in bunches. Like I feel like around nine o'clock this morning, Eastern time, the Euro started missing a bunch

of short putts for about a 20-minute stretch there and it's swung about four matches. And that's one of those things that's like, yeah, is it some sort of like cosmic thing that goes around or is a good TV production or is it the rubbery green? So it's fake, but it's, yeah, getting that those like contagious moments is like it's the best part of team play. Crazy short pops. Yeah, I try not to get caught up

and like sports cliches of momentum, but man, in these team events, it really, really feels real. I mean, I imagine being out there and seeing, it's probably hard to ignore the sounds that are going around and the leaderboards. Being out there and knowing when things are going bad against your team, how much tighter that's going to make you grip the club versus if you know things are going great, how much it's...

Imagine when you're playing around with golf and things are actually going well, your mind is not thinking about what could go wrong. You're thinking about stuff it or boom, center of the green and center of the green. Play offense versus playing it. Exactly. And you're trying to keep taking it. Maybe I should have put it as when I'm trying to go low. Because I can't do it.

But probably it has to. Because these guys, it's what makes these things so fun, as much money as they play for when I know the women don't play for a ton of ton of money. But competing weekend and week out for yourself is incredibly, incredibly different than playing the back nut. You can't simulate that in any way. So watching people look like they're about to vomit is just the best theater. And it's how do, which is I think what's so cool when you contrast that with Bronti

Law and how she looked on 17. Guys, you'll see no happy he was. That was another one. She's just ripping that gum and just stomping after the ball. And even on 16, I think, 16 to par five. Well, that was the one that she kind of made a mess and then made the long car, right? Yeah, exactly.

She hit the second shot up there. And as soon as the club might not have even hit the ball yet and she's walking after it already. And she's just, she looked exactly the opposite of the vomit people that you, like she wanted the ball. She was, yeah, she was ready. It's always fun to see who's gonna play that role and they're gonna kinda, you know, tighten up.

I was totally blown away down the stretch too, cause Georgia Hall, great performance against Lexi. She's undefeated, I think, right? Yeah. For Celine Boudier. Yeah. Celine Boudier, if she was, I mean, I could watch her hit wedges all day. She's like so little.

It's like stricker-ass, like, yeah. But she's just super precise. And then the Yinn, Munoz match was like as good as it gets, too. I think Angel was up four after the first nine. And then Munoz won three in a row. And then they traded a couple there. Like it was legitimately some of the best golf I've seen from the ladies probably all year.

The week kind of kicked off with, I mean, is this manufactured controversy like with Danielle Kang and like all the comments happen? So I believe it was on a golf.com podcast, Danielle Kang says, you're trying to take souls, you know, you're going there to make people cry. At this point, just crush the other team. That's the fun of it. We don't ever get to do that. We're always alone. We're always by ourselves playing for us

and our caddy and our own little team. Is that even like, that's not even, that doesn't register on the radar for me. No, I don't know. She didn't say we're going to crush their souls and make them cry. She's like, that's what you want to do. That's why you go to these team events. That's the attitude you take to it. It sounded like a translation of Kellen Winslow's on the soldier. Like, you don't care about this you. Like you know about this. Yeah, the people in this locker room, like, you don't care about this you. Like, that was essentially what she said word for word. My buddy and I, we have a thing that we still do every time. So in that, Kellyn Winslow's speech, he's like, yeah, the reporter is there

like jotting down notes. He's like, yeah, you write that down. You make money off that. We always do this voice for the reporter's ghost. Oh, oh, believe that, will. And I see. Which she needs going there to say that because it's screenbrower week.

Correct, it's exactly full of to the troops. Also in that, Kellen Winslow tries so hard not to swear the whole time. He's like, we don't give a, you know what about a vault. And then at the very, very last line of, fucking soldier. I just, like going back to the Kang thing, all the, you know, all the butt hurt. Who gets upset about the usual suspect? Like the Eurojournose. Like the Eurojournose.

Huggin' and the Kang. Luke Donald tweeted at Alan Shipnick again today about his prediction about the previous Ryder Cup. Like, they are still, I can't get that out of their head. It's this crazy complex that's just like looking for this trash talk. Even Prontila was like, I don't know who out of their head. It's this crazy complex that's just looking for this trash talk. Even Prontila was like, I don't know who said we were favorites or they were the favorites. I don't know where they're getting that.

I was like, I think that was like the bookmaker. And I think it was like extremely slight. No one walked into this event, be like, the US is gonna stomp on Europe. It was not like the hype to be left alert. I don't think that other than maybe brought you, I don't think the European players took that tacky there. No, but I kind of just feel like they're looking for a little chip on their shoulder and like heading up

into the rider cup, it was kind of like, yeah, these players are really talking a big game. I was like, I don't really think they are. I haven't really heard that. You know it almost is is like like this should happens in the NFL every single week. Yes. To the point where it just like, it gets old, like you can't really do it anymore, but there's always like going to the playoffs. There's the people like, you know happen in the NFL every single week. To the point where it just, it gets old, like you can't really do it anymore, but there's always going to the playoffs, there's the people, we're just not getting any respect, and we're gonna, they use all these clichés.

Golf only gets to use them once every two years. To the point where they just don't get, they don't get old as fast as they do in other sports. So it's almost like golf has more lead in. We're like in the 50s, when it comes to trash.s. Yeah, exactly. Like we're yeah, we're 40 years behind 50 years behind all these other sports that have moved on. I'm being kind of ruffled here too, because I'm firmly team Euro for the soul. I'm comfortable. We got a few questions on that is with that.

Yeah, I just can't refer like see Thompson. Like it, it's just, it's so hard for me to watch her play golf. She had a good Fred Thompson's grand dog. Not a lot of people know that. She had a good clap back at that fan. That was good. What happened? She yet somebody yelled for. Well, she didn't yell for, which is a problem too.

You're out your out trolling. This is gonna be another set of the way back to the British haven. Brooks Kepp go only blinded a lady at the rider cup last year. That was a tough scene. Listen, yeah, we can relitigate that. I mean, the guy yelled for very, very, very loud, very vociferously, like right interface.

For? And she just goes, Jesus, it wasn't that bad. But like she did, she almost dumped somebody. So it was that bad. And then Scott Dunlap clapped back at me on Twitter and was like 238 yard par four. What the hell is this? It's like dude, it's match play, it cares.

Yeah, one is match play and two that's like equivalent to what a 280 par four for a male. And it was uphill and it was like 45 degrees and pulling 40 miles an hour. And yeah, one par never matters, part is irrelevant. We've been over this and two, especially doesn't matter in match play. Usually like the shorter the par four,

like shorter you make a par four everyone's like, this is the greatest golf hole. See, this is a genius of this desire. Golf needs more of these golf holes. The course wasn't disgrace though. I think we can get it. Yeah, I don't understand. How cool would that event be if you played it at St Andrews? If you played it at Cruden Bay or like anywhere,

if you're gonna have it in Scotland, have it at... Over the other courses on that property. I mean, I've never been to either of these. That's what it really says. The other course, Act on Eagles. But I hear Glenn Eagles, I'm just like, yeah, it's, we won the memory of the 2014 writer, okay? There were, God, some of those overhead shots

especially on like the 18th green After it was over like everybody goes and floods that here. I was like fuck. I've seen this picture Remember pop is a champagne too early like before the last group was still in the green at like the top flew off That was actually a great writer cup. I mean it sucked but like I gave us Patrick Reed It gave us Phil roasting Watson. Did anyone go to the... I think that was a... Yeah.

Not even because I root for the euros. I think that was an awesome writer cup, just because the content... Oh, sure. It was the best. Quick tidbit I had from today. This was Morgan Prussle's sixth writer cup, or sixth soul home cup.

She's 31. I mean, that's crazy. These girls start playing in a very young style. Which, I actually played when she was like 17 or 19. Which props day in a Norquist too, because none of that would have even like gone down the way it did today without her just basically closing the books on press. Yeah. And Norquist was only three going into today. Yeah.

So. The court of sisters both went undefeated. They're both 301. Nelly looks a lot like a killer. And I mean, it's all, again, we could do this every time, I think, with young American players. It's only matter of time before she wins a major, but it really is only matter of time.

Nelly's putting stroke is so solid too. Like, you just, you know she's gonna make anything. It's identity. Both court of sisters golf swings, I think I've said this before, but you can convince me that there's no better golf swing in the world than Nelly Corda has, and then you can also convince me

that she has the second best golf swing in her family. So, people. I know this is very obvious, but can you think about the odds of siblings being on a, like, Solheim Cup team or Ryder Cup team? Like, Mollin' R.H. team is another one that's like, you know, fucking impossible that is. That's nuts.

Imagine Icarito and I, you know, Ryder Cup team together. Exactly. The only thing that makes it, I can't even imagine you guys like getting on the same, I know you two together, like, even that would take some doing it. That's wild.

The only thing that makes it feel scuzzy is not the word, but just kind of, they both, they came out of like a golf academy factory. Yeah. And like their dad was a professional tennis player. Mom was a professional tennis player as well, I believe, and like they're both just, I saw her mom at the KPMG and you see like

where the athletic genes come from. She's like over six feet tall. And their brother's tearing it up right now on the tennis circuit. Yes, he's like number one ranked Amateur in the world. Tennis player. So I don't have much to add on it. I'm sure some of that's genius, he's like number one ranked Amateur in the world. Tennis player. I don't have much to add on it. I'm sure some of that's just wild. Yeah, that's wild.

I thought, I think she got a little bit of flag yesterday for breaking him up. Or I guess on Friday for breaking him up. But she was like, I'm not going to play him together. I'm going to rest in one session. I'm not going to play him together all three sessions because they're going to like choke each other. Which is very true.

Which, yeah, we love to second guess a lot of decisions, but also like the person in the room knows the players better. Who knows if the girls wanted to stay together for all three matches or four matches. And it's just so easy to sit back. Oh God, who? They just fun and fun. Yeah, it's really fun.

It's actually kind of the only reason we exist. So maybe I should go too hard on this, but it is, I don't know. Yeah, it's really fun. It's actually kind of the only reason we exist. So maybe I shouldn't go too hard on this. But it is, you gotta get one little thing. What I meant to say is it's bullshit. Yeah, it's bullshit. That should have broken up. Yeah, actually, no, think about it. Why did they break them up?

I did, like, the more that I see Julia Inxter interviewed and the more I listened to her, the more I like her. She's just seems like such a pleasant, knowledgeable, cool human being. Yeah, no, I totally agree. It was, she said afterwards that she's done this was her, her last one. Is it because she's out of like memes for like going to work? It's possible.

That's possible. Yeah, lunch fails, the lunch fails. Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's one of those things I think like you probably say this after every team event, but the captain's always get too much credit and too much blame and it's just kind of, it's like, yeah, the players play well or not. Like how much is this really? It's amazing how much more rational, I don't want to say we as an everyone, but us sitting

here, we are about this, that we are like the Ryder Cup. What an unbelievable, why would you send more to press a lot last? You know, in that scenario, after 4pm, you know, her game starts to dip. But even that, like I, I mean, I don't know as much about the Ryder Cup as, as say the gentleman to my right here, but like really the only one that I can really name off the top of my head is Tom Watson sitting, speaking to the read. That's the only one I'm like, dog, like that, that was stupid. I don't know how Sutton playing that.

Well, that, yeah, that was bad, that was a bad one one too. But the point is, they're very much the exception. Yes. All right, I want to talk a little bit about potential team events. Before we do that, it's time for a break for an award from our friends at Calaway. This one seems pretty targeted at Tron, I think. They had to come out with a whole new set of wedges. I think to help fit your game, they unveiled their new JAWS MD5 wedges featuring

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They're in stores. This Friday, and you can also get involved with Calloway customs. You can personalize some colors, some stamping, Toronto Pride Order, about three or four of each, you know, finish and stamping. I've been working on them all week. I'm naming them after different kinds of knives.

Look at it. So I've got a Santuco, a pairing knife, and a, what do you call it? A cut-cow, shout out, Neil. The Hardy Slicer. Not the Hardy Slicer, that would be too, that would be too aggro. The jaws might be how Tron gets his groove back.

You've been playing a lot golf with me. I've been, you've actually, yeah, you've been making some strats for sure. A lot of people out there need to open their eyes to Tron here, upcoming in the fall. I'm coming for everybody. I'm down to a 2.4, which is terrible. That's awesome. Let's get out on the golf course.

I'll play against as a 2.4. Ian, I birdied date this week. That's, that was scummy. We can take, maybe take that offline, but the T was moved up like 60 yards. Oh, that was gross. Whoa, whoa. I asked. If anything, it was, it was, they prior from the full T. It was straight into the wind. It was probably three, 15, 3, 20. Why was the T moved up? I'm not sure. They, they had aerated. Try and got there like 45 minutes before us. He's talking the tournament committee. They had aerated the T-boxes. A, it was not reachable.

If anything, it was actually a tougher hole from there. That's what you wanted to do. That was a great choice. That was a prepaid statement. I'll hear about Randy's round. I'll hear every single play. Tell me about it. Are we done with Callaway?

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Okay, go to go to CallawayGolf.com to experience Charles MD5. It's out this Friday and again, you can go hard on those Callaway customs. I mean, I think the fact that Randy shot the 74. It was a make you run out and go by Callaway. The ultimate. It's the ultimate Adry.

Yeah, it was, it was his best round ever by three. Yes. I don't want to overstate this. I want to keep this in perspective, but it was Kendook-esque. Yeah. Kendook-esque. Kendook-esque. Kendook-esque.

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Kendook-esque. Kendook-esque. Kendook-esque. Kendook-esque. until we got to nine, we started the back, we always fucking started the back, I don't know why. I love starting on the back. Oh, and then the wind dies and the front's super easy. When really you want 10, 11, 12, 13 to be easy. That's true. But if you get through 15, and then it's just like, there's nine birdie ops in 12 holes. We got to nine, which is a part three, kind of like 165, 170.

Part three and Randy kind of saunters up very sheepishly and it's like, hey, you know, I don't, I guess I'm not even gonna like jinx myself. Like I just need to make a five here to shoot my best round ever. And I was like, whoa, I didn't even, I was in my own world, I guess. I didn't even realize.

It was awesome. I was kind of shepherding him there for a little bit. He was working with Tron Stockton Jr. out there. Now he was in total control of his golf ball. It was remarkable to see. And the reason I love Tron Stockton Jr. out there. Now, he was in total control of his golf ball. It was remarkable to see. The reason I love Tron Stockton Jr. is more of a play on Jon Stockton than I'm sure. I'll give you a percent.

Yeah. So possibly the most impressive athletic achievement I've seen this year. I mean, Randy's 6'8, you know how much, like, limb and his irons are, or each, an inch and a half long. So those in them themselves just terrify me. As I believe you said, it was a celebration of life.

It was. Yeah. 40, 34 for his first underpart. Nothing gimmicky. Like, he just, dude, he hits it now. We played in February, right before we left for California at Timaquan. He shot 100. Like, he actually shot 100.

It was pretty demoralized. Because he counts, like he refuses to pick up. He refuses to give too much. He does, he grinds and he has turned his game around. I wanna, what did it do to his handicap? Do we know? There's been a new update here on this. So I don't have to say.

I don't have to. I'd love to follow up on that. A lot of, a lot of the movers and chakers been going on the handicap board over here. We got some work to do. Did he get any new birdies for the... Two birdies challenge. Two new birdies.

I forget which holds. I think he got three and six. Got rainy as a fish and is hell because he has not 30 any hole twice. Yeah, as we look up at the big board here in the kill house. But on to the green briar, as we record this walking Neiman has a four shot lead with five hundred to pull.

I think he's gonna become, looks like to become the first player from Chile to ever win a PGA tour event. Can I tell you guys, he was born in 1998. He used to it. 20 years old. He's one of those things like, kind of like Sanjay M where it's. where I think we did this a lot with

speed, too, where you just lock on to one player and it's like your brain only has capacity to process one really good young player. And you look around and you're like, dude, there's like six or seven more. And I think that's kind of been wolf and hovelin' or whatever, where people kind of slept on Moorakawa. And then they've slept on Moorakawa's what, two years older nemen yeah you know like it's a rookie this is what is like second second full year on tour like it's people that this is a price and see me yeah old and I came out like like speed like going like three majors yeah this 23 I watched on Friday most of

Neemons around you shot 62 and like it was one of those 62s were just effortless yeah you're not really like oh this guy shouldn't 62s were just effortless. Yeah, you're not really like, oh, this guy shouldn't 62. It's just like, no, like he didn't, he just straight up didn't miss it. Yeah, he's freakishly talented. So assuming he goes on to win this, that will be a well deserved win in another, you know, another one to move to.

Yeah, he does. Which I think is always reassuring and always like, I don't know, kind of heartwarming to see somebody that just not like is straight, you know, generic swing. Can we guess that for a par 70 golf course, Kevin Chappell is the first person ever to shoot 500 par without shooting in the 60s? If they don't put a plaque in for this performance, then what the hell are we doing here?

71, 59, 73, 72, and he should have shot 58. The key had chances. Yeah. He was, he should have shot 58. The key had chances. Yeah. He was, he birdied nine in a row, I believe, on Friday. And yeah, it was what, nine out of 10? T-47. He finished T-47, it was a shooting of 59. That's insane.

We usually look back at it. It's just for, I think, first tour event back. I've got back injury and stuff, but at 10 months. Yeah. But we do look back at the 59s. And like, really, like, furex shot, he finished third when he shot 58. Yeah. But we do look back at like the 59s and like really like furex shot. He finished third when he shot 58. No, we're like back at his even like no, he finished T 47. That was when I was like about Apple, he's 59 and Greenberg.

It was Sunday. Sunday. But I can't remember who else we say this about, but Kevin Schappel always looks like he's playing golden tea. Yeah, he's, it's like, it's like, it's the one that he, he's the one that kicked it off. Yeah, Randy said he it's like, it's like, it's like, what's the one? He's the one that kicked it off. Yeah, Randy said he, like, when you're playing Golden Tea, you don't take the club back at all

and you just, when you're, you're holding your hand forward at the screen. Randy said by the time he's 60, he won't have a backswing, just swing it forward like Golden Tea. Yeah. And every time I see the name Kevin Chappell or CMO TV, I think of that tweet.

Every single talk. I think of, there's a YouTube video, there's some language upcoming, if you have some kids in the car. But there's a YouTube video when he was on the nationwide to where I believe it was way back in the day. And like, there's nobody, there's no fans out at these events. It's like, dead silent.

And there's a microphone like right in his face. And it's just one of those like easy Thursday, Friday afternoons when there's nothing going on. You're probably asleep on the couch watching it. And as soon as he just whew, you're here like, impact just hits it. Get the fuck down. And it just like, I don't know,

it might have been scrammed from YouTube now, but it's like what my favorite video's ever. That's been in our lexicon for quite some time. That's what I think. Scotty Shephler. It's congrats on the 59. Was completely disrespectful to Amnors everywhere. Hit a shot.

I believe it was Saturday. Hit the shot and goes, oh, I shanked it. And it was in the center of the green. That's a tough scene. That's a disrespect for all of us that have serious shanking issues. Well, I mean, Shephler, I feel like you forgot how to play the last few days.

We had 65, 62, 71, and he's probably going to shoot 69, and 71 today. And I thought he had the tournament locked up. Well, do we want to give a quick shout to the Fred Excavac? Of course, yeah, it's time to do that. Go to the, in case you're not familiar, we have a second podcast feed. It's called the Trap Draw. It's hosted by Randy Entron, and we had our second annual drafting of our Fred X-Cup teams, which is... We do like a fantasy

league, essentially, where you draft from the 50 players that are graduating from the Cornfairy tour to the PGA tour. We draft 30 guys, six guys per team. That episode came out last week. It was a wild draft. There was a lot of shenanigans going on. I'm not sure shenanigans is the right word. It was, I would, I, Shrewd play. I agree, I agree with what you said.

It's from a lot of shrewdness, a lot of gamesmanship. It's one of the more lopsided, disgusting, short-sided trades I've ever seen. I was, Neil, Neil was on the Polish border, just waving the truth to him. Yeah, come on in, boys. So I'm hitler. Yeah, of course. It was disgusting.

Neil had the first pick. I don't want to spoil the whole pot. You're Hitler and Hoveland is the Sudetenland. Neil had a Chamberlain. Neil. Neil had the Chamberlain. Neil. Yeah. Neil had the first pick. I know we've only been doing the Fred X Cup for two years now, but there's no way there's

ever been a more obvious number one pick coming off of the Web Tour, the Corn Fairy Tour, than Victor Havilland, who just tied today the most consecutive rounds in the 60s in like when the shot like aro started so it could have been longer than that. So anyways, Neil trades away the first pick for like I don't know his words he's quote building for the future which I didn't know that one year league you only have your players for one year it was absolutely discussed. He only have your players for one year. It was absolutely disgusting.

And then he protected Pick for next year. That's the health. And then he proceeded to put together one of the most weird, he's labeled it the Zhang Gang. One of the weirdest collections of players I've ever seen before. So anyway, probably not a great look that Tom Hogi and Richie Wrenrensky, both guys, went undrafted in the Fred X Cup.

They are currently tied for second. Yeah, I was between Chris Baker and Ritchie Wrensky with my last pick and chose poorly for this week. It's a long season. It is quite a long season. Shout out to Scotty Schuffler, currently T6. And then Sebastian Munners, you guys were clowning me a little bit that I was making the joke that my team from last year was going to be, or last season was going to be, you know, fire

all cylinders, they're close, we'll subashimin you as T6, they have it first. Adam Woll have also T6 for my team. It's like a trading all-way rainy moss from the Raiders to the Patriots though, he couldn't play for you. He's going to play for you. I just think it's cool to see some of the graduates from this program, you know, go out and do big things in year two. That's what I'm looking for, guys like Adam Moore, Scott Langley.

Anyways, there's on our message board the refuge, dude. There is, I believe, a Fred X Cup version of the game that you can play if you're looking for some guy to shine for. But I have a problem with that one, because everybody got unfettered access to every single player. There should have been some sort of tier system or salary cap or something like that. Take it up with the commissioner. I don't even know who the commissioner is. There is, maybe there is no commissioner. That's part of the issue.

It's early in the season. I just worth noting that I had five of six guys finished in the top 25 this week. But that's incredibly impressive. I had it all, I think all six of my guys missed the cut, which is a tough thing. That's also incredibly impressive. Which I was stunned to see, and I don't pay that much attention

this little on a weekend, week out basis, how much money was up for grabs at the Greenbride this week? 1.35 to the winner, and all the way through 19th place made six figures. The ninth place finish was like $219,000. So that's the kind of stuff that these corn fairy graduates are playing for now that they've never played for ever in their lives.

That's what we said before. It's like even if you go finish 150th on the money list, you're gonna make 700 grand or something like that, 600 grand or 400 grand. Your endorsements are worth, whereas I think X, number one on the corn fairy money list probably made like 550 this this year something like that I'm not even not even I think Scott Harrington he finished t24 this week

I think pretty sure he made more money in this week than he did last season on the cornferry tour Yeah, so it's like where are they getting all this money? Is Jim justice just floating on this money this week? I think it's the military budget. It's coming straight out the dodees Yeah, it's right off budget. It's coming straight out the DOD. It's military. It's right off for that. It's all charity. Raytheon, you know, PAE system. Yeah, it's coming from black water.

All right, let's move on. A couple other things to catch up on. Driver testing is now entered the PGA tour. I don't think we have a lot of details really on how that's going to be done or conducted. It sounded like they were pretty from what I read about it thanks to J. Wall. They're doing it in conjunction with the equipment manufacturers. It sounds like it's like the right thing to do because it's going to be, you know, it's kind of on them. Like they're taking some of the onus off the players and more on the equipment manufacturers but I don't know. Yeah, there were little scan on details.

I think from what we've heard too, yeah, give me a minute, you're gonna test the drivers? Test the three watts. Now, I wanna look at the three watts too. It's interesting that they're only gonna test drivers, but just take a look. It seems to be there for us. It seems interesting in this,

might not be a causation correlation thing, like maybe this has been in the works for a while, but coming off of the British Open, the Open Chain friendship, the UK British Open, whatever you prefer, presented by your management. Seeing how quickly they got this turned around on the PJ tour, it's like, man, you can, when you guys put your mind to it,

like you can flip these things around pretty fast, whenever you seem to be interested. So I don't know if that extends to things like pace of play or any of the other myriad of things that people like to complain about. But if they're looking into their policy on pace. Well, that was another one to you that's like, well, actually I wouldn't say that that one happened fast

because people can complain about that for about 30 years. One could say that where there's a will, there's a J. That's poetic. Maybe a good segue here. Yeah, exactly. I got a chance to play with the commissioner of the PGA tour, Mr. J. Monahan yesterday in that charity event

at TPC Sawgrass. Don't have a ton to report from it, other than we had a great time, and we're hoping to have him on the podcast here. A lot of things are in flux currently with PGA tour, particularly with television contracts. Atop it, we are obviously quite passionate about. And I think once the dust settles on that,

we're looked to potentially have him back on the podcast to discuss a number of issues, including television, future of the PGA Tour and golf and whatnot. But the future of Live Underpar? Yes, future of Live Underpar, Trones, especially Keen on that one. And as critical as we are of the PGA Tour, that there wasn't really, at least on his behalf, there wasn't really an issue with the things we say or do.

I think he values feedback a lot, and at least at a certain level kind of gave us still a seat at the table, which I think can be more than some of the other departments of the PGA tour do. So it was actually pretty interesting to play around a golf and then pick his brain on a lot of things and hopefully see some changes here in the coming months and in the future of how golf is presented on television. So there's that character Latimer in the program. He has her student program. I like how like 20 years ago. He's obsessed with...

Shoot at the table. Shoot at the table. So I'll tweet it out, it's a great clip. But he's like, he finally cracks a starting line up and he's like, suit at the table. That was solid, folded to TCC sawag guys yesterday. How's this game? I think that's the 90 degree day playing without a glove. I was triggered. That's a strubber.

I hated it. If I don't have the proper glove on a human day, we saw what happened while we were golf episode one. I had to go to the rain glove. Maybe it was my grip is really bad, but yeah, he swings it really well. I mean, I know he plays a decent amount of golf probably as much as he'd like to, but he plays off five. He'd be a good partner as a five.

He doesn't miss. He doesn't really miss shots. He didn't really take it too deep, but he is very, very consistent. I think I saw something on Twitter. Do you guys have a chance to discuss Tron's infrastructure? Yes. I sent him the Commissioner for a day podcast. He's going to listen to it, but I did give him a spoiler on the idea of connecting the intercostal to the... Which I found a new route. They would even take a less. I swear to God. He's asking for a proposal. So, for people who haven't listened to the commissioner for a day podcast.

Well, I believe that to TC, this is his plan. He's the lead architect on this project. Well, yeah, basically we want to connect. It's the lead architect. It's kind of in conjunction with Randy's plan to put a hot tub in the middle of the 17th green at Sawgrass. I think there was a lot of misinformation out there

that said that I wanted to connect it to the ocean. I wanted to connect the intercostal waterway. Connected what? The water at? 16, 17, and 18. I want to connect those, so you can bring boats and yachts and jets, and then there should also be a lazy river over on 13 as well, which would be sick. That'd be sweet. But yeah, so just a lot of stuff in that vein. There's a lot of idea sharing and that was the one that perked him up maybe the most.

So the hot tub idea, in the middle of 17 green, he wasn't as keen on. Well, that's because he had just hit it right to the middle of the green. That's true. That's probably true. If we wanted to roast this, and I told him, I told him, we're going to roast my swings, I tried to make him nervous before hitting the shot on 17, but he just popped it right in the middle of the green. So.

There were some rumors of an alignment eight on 16. That was intentional. I actually put that there and I wanted to stir up some. Did you plant the core's light there, too? That was my core's light, actually. God, he's probably answering to all sorts of folks on that. I did not intend to do that. He was, he did not drink during the round.

The rest of our force was force was letting a few fly. And it was a great event for golf fights, Cancer. It was a great day. I was stunned to get the invite to do it. And it was hopefully some progress towards repairing the relationship between no-ling up in the PGA tour. Next time we're coming out the Jack's PGA. Yes, yes.

We hopefully this kind of part of the relationship continues. This doesn't. People that are thought this buys Curry's favor, buys favor for the PGA tour, don't do not know us well enough. We did not back down on really any of the issues that we believe in or maybe that I personally believe in and we I gave him gave him kind of what I think of a lot of things and he agreed to something to disagree with some. So it was a nice discourse if you will. You should have you should have seen how much money you could get for a home and home

to set up that match at Jack's Beach. You might have lost your bargaining power now that you already went to his place. Yeah, his place is Pablo Creek. Oh, that's true. Yeah, but it's easy. Yeah, so yeah, that's that. It was fun day.

All right, so this is the first event of the fall schedule, the new fall schedule. A lot more events, I think there's like 13 total events this fall. I love it. I think it gives the guys that are fresh off the new fall schedule. A lot more events, I think there's like 13 total events this fall. I love it. I think it gives the guys that are fresh off the corn fairy tour. I think it gives them an ample opportunity to kind of stay in the groove. Is there's more events before the reshuffle this year, is that correct?

I think so. I went to smarten on this and he couldn't even answer it. So he did the reshuffle. Yeah, the reshuffle and just exemptions and all that stuff. It feels like not a black box. I think it would be very transparent if you asked. It's very disentene. Yeah, it's just like, I don't even know what questions to ask.

Right. How the hell this system works. Either way, I think it's just, you know, it seems like they play a wide variety of courses. You know, this week, next week, say if we even, like, they're not bombers, parodises, like anybody can contend there. Jack Jackson kind of is I think. It is. I think Jackson's pretty wide open. Cam champ one.

Yes, he's a decimated people last year. Like Houston moving into the fall, the Zozo. I'm super curious about that one. So you've still got your kind of operational on events, Bermuda's into the fall now. That's a new event. CJ Cup I know is one of your faves. It just feels like the events that are now opposite football are the events that should be opposite football instead

of the playoffs. That's what I was going to say. It feels very, I say, it's kind of in a good way. It feels like you can kind of check in or check out. If you want to watch it, if it's a captivating leaderboard, if there's good young players that you want to watch, they're going to get a chance to shine. We're seeing this week with a lot of those new Cornfairy guys

that you guys mentioned earlier. But if you want to check out and you have want to go to a football game or you want to go play golf or enjoy the fall or whatever, it doesn't feel like you're missing all that much either. So it's kind of a cool balance. And I like it. I'm actually super excited for the fall.

A lot of it's probably a Fred X Cup and a lot of these young guys getting a bunch of starts and trying to reshuffle up. I think that stuff's always pretty captivating to sickos like us, but I get more excited for this stretch than I do late summer. A lot of those kind of dog days of summer events where everything has been, you haven't had a week off in like almost a year. And I'm ready for the fall. I just feel like there's more of a variety of courses.

And you're getting new faces. And I think it's incumbent upon the tour to, you know, I think they know they need to do this a little bit better, but to kind of tell the story of these new guys a little bit more. So they're not just faceless guys as soon as they pop up on a leaderboard on the West Coast swing. Right. I want to get to a few questions here. And then we can get close to wrapping this up. not just faceless guys as soon as they pop up on a leaderboard on the West Coast swing. Right.

I want to get to a few questions here and then we can get close to wrapping this up. Will Bard will ask with fall approaching below what temp is too cold to play golf. It's a good question, but I think there's some layers to this one. I think you've got to, you got to go beyond temperature, right? It's the wind. Wind in the sun. Wind, sun and like just course condition too. Yeah, that's true But I think it's 45 and sunny with no wind is very different than 45 and windy. Yeah

Yeah, it's so it's easy to kind of look at the forecast and say like oh, it's gonna be you know It's in the high 40s. We built let's go play But that's high 40s with 20-month-hour wins like that's not probably worth it. There was a course in Boston South Shore Country Club that would stay open until the first snow. I played there on New Year's Day a couple of years ago, and it was probably 38, 40 degrees, but there was no wind, and the sun was shining, and it was not a bad day to play golf on. It helps if you're walking to, if you're moving around.

Yes. If you're not in a cart where the wind wind is just whipping you like we played. God, well, I'm trying to think of like cold weather rounds that we play. It's also ironic that like the three guys are sitting here. Florida is actually. We've got very spoiled. It did point where I was like five. No, no. But we played, we had a chance of like colonial last year. It's part of like our stuff we do with Charles Schwab and Schwab. I think it was literally, well, it was like 32 degrees, I think. It was 28 when we got it. 28 when we got it up.

We got it up. Frost delay. And it was windy. It calmed down. Like the wind calmed down and at certain points, like we started shedding layers by late morning. I mean, actually, that was actually because the sun was out that day too. So I think it, yeah, it just depends on more

than just the temperature. Just be, if it's wet in 45, like, don't do it. You don't have to do that. There's a question from Mike Pichten says, does this soul-hime change solid view that the rider cup should be an annual thing? This was so good and to dilute it with a rider cup being played close to it,

would not be good or would it amp up the rider cup? I think I'm on an island here that rider cup should be every year anyways, but 100%. I'm very much every other year. I'm probably somewhere in the middle, but I would probably, today, if you're asking me, I would lean more towards every two.

I do like how the sole high alternates with it. I mean, I think that's a cool trade off. Yeah, I just, I don't know, I really like, I like not having it. It's kind of like out of sight on a mind when it's not there. Like I think it's easy to get beyond needing it. Like I don't feel, you know, we're right at that part of the year.

Like I don't feel like we really like need it right now. I don't know. Which I need to dig in a little bit on this UL international crown that the LPGA plays. Is that see like three teams? With teams of four I think? Yeah. Like because I'd be down to watch the South Koreans play

the US in an annual cup thing. You know what I was thinking was, I think we mentioned this either, we might have mentioned it on the commission for a day pot, but a mixed event feels like it needs to happen. Like that was my takeaway today was like God God, all these women are so freaking good that if you wanna talk about bringing more eyeballs to women's golf and helping lift up women's golf,

doing some sort of mixed event where you're having Dustin Johnson bringing eyes to women's golf, essentially. Like, I don't know, I think that would be so freaking cool. If you replace the president's cup with like six men Six women versus like a world team like that would be awesome And like they so good. I mean, I would assume the women would play the women and the men would play the men I assume you don't want to stack your teeth and try to figure out how to cross

I feel like you could play four balls with like yeah women playing a different tea. That would be sweet You know, like Charlie I don't think like Tom Odie would. He would. Yeah, that'd be so cool. That'd be awesome. Yeah, that makes like, I don't want to rag on the presents cup. We do that at every opportunity that we get. But like, there's just no like a rest of the world

except Europe. There's no natural rivalry there. I am, I'm really honestly looking forward to watching Roll Melbourne. They did an awesome job with the time of day those matches are going to be played. It's actually going to be prime time here in the US. It's going to be incredible golf course and it's that part is going to be interesting. But I honestly don't care if the US wins or loses. I think that's an issue because I couldn't care more about that in the Ryder Cup.

We're really even if you're a US fan, I think you want the US to lose one of these. Yeah, I do. Just hope it actually needs something, right? Presence Cup does a couple of things differently for the better. In the way that they spaced out better. Yeah, exactly. The way that they draw teams and the way that they legitimately,

I think sometimes they televised it, but a lot of times they have to do it, like wall matches are still in the course, but they'll bring the captains into the team room or into the interview room, and they'll do a whole, like, okay, going out first is Justin Thomas, and then the international's will gather and figure out who they want to put out. And so, yeah, there's a couple small things that they do differently.

It's just not, I don't know, it's not enough to... Well, I literally forgot about today when I was, I was tweet, like, the Swaham Cup ended, and I was like, thinking about team golf, and I was like, man, okay, so I guess what's next? Like, the Olympics. Like, oh, that's kind of interesting, and I like team golf and I was like man, okay, so I guess what's next like the Olympics like Huh, that's kind of interesting and I like tweeted something and someone's like oh throw and shade at the president's cup It's like who fuck? No, I just thought about it. Is the Olympics even team golf? It's not it's individual, but it's like it's still really good take. No, come on

But it's still I mean you're still playing for like you know, you still have a flag next to your name And you're still on a team and I agree, you still have a flag next to your name, and you're still on a team, and I agree. Like, it's not, I'm trying to be positive here. I'm just kidding. I guess. They could do it differently, and I think like, that was one of the things that, if you're watching today, and you don't think that,

like, the Olympics would be better as a team event, like, I don't really get what your, your goal is, but. Yeah, the Olympic Committee, their opinion was basically, if you wanna be in the Olympics, we are gonna compete the way, at the top level of your sport, you compete, which is a four round stroke play tournament.

It was not gonna be a team novelty of some kind, so. Whoa, I'm on the PGA tour schedule. Did I just totally miss this? They renamed the Palm Springs event, the American Express. I think that just happened this week. Well, I didn't know that. It's like, what? Wow. It's a guy's supposed to feel it.

Finally got sponsored. Long live the Desert Classic. It's not going to be sponsored by that warlord from the Philippines. Exactly. That was sick. Jason Grant, what's the know wide-chess Revee can't find a hat that fits? I got a weirdly shaped head. I'm gonna sit this one out. I really thought this was gonna be a layup for you.

Where's a special helmet to protect from CTE? They're broke skimmed up. I really thought it was where you're gonna go. Patrick Bluitz as win was the last time you paid for golf. Thursday. Yeah, Thursday. Yeah, I paid for golf. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday last week. So

where was that at? Where'd you play? Oh, now that we're talking about it, if you want to, if you want to discuss it, I made a little trip up to Philadelphia last week, got to play Marion on Wednesday and then made my first ever trip, which was also my first time there, but also made my first ever trip to the Valley of Pines, Pine Valley Golf Club in New Jersey. Clevver, yeah, the splash world. Would you guys were way more excited about it? Did you go to Clevver, in Splash World? We did not, we drove around it,

and took a bunch of pictures for you guys, really, as a thrill to send those home to the boys. Shout out to DC. Exactly. But no, that was, I mean, it's whatever, it's the number one ranked club in the world, and I was pretty blind on it, I've seen pictures of it, and all the pictures I've seen, I mean, it's whatever. It's the number one ranked club in the world. And I was pretty blind on it. I've seen pictures of it and all the pictures I've seen,

I'm like, huh, like that. I was like, a really, really hard t-shot. Like, where do you have landed? I'm sure in person when you get there, it's a little more friendly. It is not. It is absolutely not. It is the hardest golf course I've ever played.

So we played it twice. We got rained out last three holes. So I didn't get to, we played the back tees for a show and I didn't get to post the number. And I wanted to see like what, it's kind of like a USO, like what would you shoot US open? I was on my way to shooting like no better than 83, we got rained out.

But when you texted us about it, I thought for sure you were gonna say, yeah, like the, the catty pulled me off. A couple of the holes, I was like, I'm saying, you three, quite the opposite. Like it was kind of like expected, you guys, like could finish out. I wanna see what happens here.

This is supposed to be the hardest golf course in the world. And the caddies are amazing at finding your golf ball. And I put them in some tough spots. I'm not gonna lie. And they did not lose a single one. Fairways are wide, but they're wide from the uptees. You go all the way back. And I've always gone to tour events and looked at like,

I don't, I don't. The fairway is wide up there, but from so far you go all the way back and I've always gone to like tour events and looked like I don't. I don't. The fairway is wide up there but from so far back with the way like a dispersion cone goes like that is not wide enough for my swing. And once you stand over a few of those and you hit a few wayward ones those fairways get smaller and smaller and smaller and I hit some of the worst golf shots I've ever hit. I mean it was it was honestly embarrassing at times, but it was, I felt like I missed out on some of the golf course

because I hit it so bad, but we would try to do it at the end. I guess the game people would try to play there is like, all right, what's the worst hole? And you argue over what the worst hole is because you can't pick one out. And I had mentioned number six to ZB or something. Like, dude, I can't believe you didn't like number six.

Like, no, no, no, I didn't not like it. Like it was just, it was just okay for me. I was, I don't know. You hear about what it's like to play at Augusta and everyone just says it's like not a good hang. Like you are walking on eggshells the whole time and you're on bar of time. Yes, and you're just like,

and Pine Valley is strict on like, don't talk on your phone. Like that's like the rule. And the rest is, honestly, when once you walked in the gate, it felt like you were a member. I mean, it felt- You see it at the table.

Yeah, I got to see it at the table. See it at the table. It was just, you felt, I felt so comfortable the whole time, we got to stay in the clubhouse, which was just sick, but the whole, everyone there kind of treats you like you're a member,

and the way the members approach, I guess I never really thought of it this way, but the members don't really play with members other than like events. It is expected that you bring three guests and that you stay on property and you play multiple rounds and like it and I was fortunate enough to be invited by a member and his attitude was like I get a thrill out of like taking people out here and like showing them this place and experiencing it and that just really impressed me. It is of course a very exclusive club. It was shocking to me the way they described it.

It was like, this is a golfers club. I guess this is for play. It's not like you have to be a single digit handicap to get in, but it's kind of like, I don't know, like this is for people that have like dedicated themselves to the game and you know, want wanna bring golfers here that are gonna appreciate it and that was kind of their whole attitude. It was phenomenal, it was great.

They have a short course there. Absolutely blew my mind. Shot off to the falls. The falls, I guess claims he didn't move any dirt to do this. They have, there's 10 whole sets of style. They, eight of them are replicas of shots you'll see on the golf course, on the main golf course.

And they're nearly indistinguishable. I don't know if they like laser the greens and they're the exact same, but like we've got to play, we play the short course first, then we get out to like 13. I'm like, dude, I've hit this shot before. This is absolutely insane. And it was like the trippiest thing. It's spread out across this huge acreage and back in these woods, I guess pines, if you will. And it was staggering. I couldn't believe it. I'll cross this huge acreage and back in these woods, I guess pines, if you will. And it was staggering, I couldn't believe it.

So, got dressed, did the whole coat and tie and dinner and all that. And it was, I will say about the course, it was not my favorite golf course I've ever played. I wouldn't describe it as like, it's not that I didn't have fun. It's not like a fun golf course. It's just not the word I would use to describe it,

but it's like the best. I can clearly see what people say, it's the best. And there's just nothing comparable. Like we played Marion and Marion is similar. Yeah, we're sitting here talking about five hells. I know. But like Marion is unbelievable. But like I've played on grass like that. And I've played in a setting like that. And I've just never seen or played on anything that is like Pine Valley. I mean, it's just every single hole is just like unbelievable golf hole. Did you have, what's your specialty? Like, turtle soup?

I didn't have the turtle soup. I had the snapper soup, which was incredible as you might imagine. Maybe next time we're at. I'm in deep friends. Life's in the taste. You got to watch eyes to the taste. Why? You got to watch the whole thing. I'm gonna say it. But yeah, that was a hell of a bender, non-breed.

Well, yeah, I guess people should check it out. What is it, golf now? Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, say, a hot deal. Tuesday morning's a senior league. I know it's, yeah, it's not the, maybe sometimes not the most relatable experience, but a lot of people were asking about it, and that was, that was my takeaway. I mean, I was, I do wish we would have played the second round from a tee up. I feel like you're gonna have experienced the course

of this a little bit more. I mean, it's just so freaking demanding, and if you don't have the driver working and I did not, you are hacking out, and then you're like, you're playing your third and you just feel like you're playing catch up the whole time. I had a putt on the last hole to break 80. I missed it, I shot 80.

It's part 70 but it's rated 76.8 from the back. See, it's slope 155. And like the regular T-slope is 153. I mean, it's like, it's just nowhere to hide. But greens are massive, awesome, broad, undulating slopes. And there's so much elevation change. It's an nowhere to hide, but greens are massive, awesome, broad, undulating slopes, and there's so much elevation change. It's an exhausting walk. Like you, some guys were there playing 36 a day,

I could not have done that. I don't know how people are doing that. I think the first time I go, I want to just go to the crump and just watch and kind of, because I've never really looking at pictures and even videos and flyovers and stuff. It's the one course in the world that I've never been able to wrap my head around. It just looks so wild, different.

I think I just need a spinner to it round up before I even... Yeah, that's why I asked Bacon. I was like, what is Pine Valley really the best? He's like, dude, just talk to me afterward because you can't explain it until you see it. I see what he's saying. It's just hit after hit after hit and there's no again, there's not a bad like some people are like all number new number 12. Fosio messed up some of the bunkers or something like that and I thought it's all like a demon 12 is like my favorite hole. But yeah, that's that was quite an experience in the end of

a end of a about a month long bender. I guess what we going to be on Pioneer this week. That's right. Yeah, I was going to say it right in the right way. Think of it and then we have. We saw season five this fall. That's true. No, I don't we announced it. No. We're going to say where we're going. We say, yeah, but I'm not. Well, we're going. Yeah, we're doing it. Yeah. We have the right to do that. I think that's pretty much it. That's Rapp for tonight.

We have a player pod I believe that should come out on Tuesday night. Some people are asking, I'm going to do a recap of the England trip I just recently did. I'm working on that and we'll have that hopefully sometime next week I believe. And yeah, Sanerson Farms week. We didn't search yo also won the Kale and open this one. This probably just Kale and open. In Amsterdam.

And yeah, that's pretty much, pretty much wrapped for this week. Which going back, I know I was critical about Lexi Thompson. I'm still gonna be critical about it. I don't like watching her play golf. She seems like a lovely, lovely woman. And I just don't, I didn't want it to feel

like a personal attack or anything like that. When I watch her play golf too, I feel like she's, it seems joyless. She never looks like she's enjoying herself on the golf course. So that's... I also just don't know how that swing works. It's just, I don't know how she hasn't heard her wrist digging the club in the ground like that, but... Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Alright, let club in the ground like that, but yeah All right, let's wrap it up that thanks everybody for tuning in cheers Right club beat a right club today That's better than most That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.