No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 266: Presidents Cup Recap

Episode Date: December 16, 2019

The 2019 Presidents Cup delivered an unexpected explosion of content as the US came from behind during Sunday's singles matches to win the cup 16-14 over a feisty International squad. In addition to the breakdown of the matches, Royal Melbourne,TV coverage, and Tiger's 3-0 performance as playing captain we do our best to recap Patrick Reed's interactions with the crowd, Reed's caddie getting suspended for an altercation with a fan, the Tour's response to the entire Reed drama and much more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I Get a right club be the right club today That's better than most Better than most Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no-lang at podcast. I'm I'm here with my boys love my boys All the boys are here all the boys big Randy how we doing this morning great? You got a hard out in about 40 minutes So we're gonna get all your takes in on the on the top of the hour We're gonna front load your takes early much like

You know the commercial breaks. That's the voice of DJ Pi Mr. T.C. How are you doing this morning? I'm great Randy keeps detonating Lisa Cornwell on Twitter General Cornwell is we can get there. We can get there. I just certainly don't need to lead with that I we're gonna start this on are you man. I'm great Sleep schedule's been way up more more often I think I realize. I thought I'd just wake up at a good time this morning, woke up at 10 a.m. I can't fall asleep.

I get to end up. I get to end up. Yeah, exactly. It was like a legitimately one of the most thrilling fun events to watch. I think like actually not caring, like truly caring about the result, frees you up to enjoy the competition so much more.

So much more. I just couldn't get any RAM. I couldn't get any RAM. So just let's kick it off here. If you missed the president's cup, if you watched the president's cup, either way, you probably forgot about a lot of shit that happened.

So just a very quick overview of some things that happened. Any one of these on a given week would be a lot of content. Man, that's not good. From the content, content gods, but all of these is just crazy. And this is not an all-encompassing list. Let's just go through them quick. Cam Smith calls Patrick Rita Cheater to start the week and says he has a bullshit response, which was sick.

How tongue Lee shows up with his physio as his guy who's never caddy before. The most visible group of US fans on the first T were all for some reason Australians. The tour in a rehab kind of thing poses video of Patrick Reed signing like signing a video for a golf like or signing a golf ball. We were fighting a kid under the rules. Yeah, it was very unsettling. At one point there was 23 minutes of commercials per

hour, almost 40% of the broadcast. Read, someone yells, miss it after one of his butts, after one of his butts. Who knows? Sometimes the audio slips and gets messed up, but it seemed like it was after. And read does this weird grave digger shovel thing that either was supposed to look cool or was supposed to, I don't know where we'll get to that.

Read and Smith apparently at the opening ceremony's bump shoulders, like a 1982 high school movie, and don't say any words to each other, just really flex and test us around. The tour also posts the video of redoing the shovel thing and so having fun with the fans, fun with the fans. Yeah, he had, you know, this later the list,

but he had a lot more fun with the fans later. A bunch of people missed the first green from like 20 yards away, which was sick. In honor of Hanukkah, Ricky's birthday, apparently lasted seven days and seven nights. There was a video of the whole US team like very dishearteningly singing happy birthday to Ricky, which I don't really, I know that was,

we could get to that. I'm sure you have another five, 10 minute kind of segment carved out for that. Kassler Crane literally fucking attacked a fan. Like jumped off a golf cart and sho attacked a fan, like jumped off a golf cart and shoved a fan, maybe swiped at him, not good. He was banned from singles. Bryson jumped unrelated, jumps in the stands to celebrate with the potential crisis actors, maybe Australians, maybe Americans, Ricky and JT blew a five-up lead with eight holes

to play. Cat ends in interview saying, quote, I'm always good, doggy. And for some reason, it almost ended in a tie. And that's not a whole list, but that's where we're starting from. Wow. Those are some of the things that happened. It's a great, it's a greatest, greatest content providing week that I can remember in the year. I'd also like to mention JT begging for. I didn't even get to that. JT, yeah, either jokingly, not jokingly.

We're not really sure. It's weird. It was doing the whole like measure. Do you see how short this putt that you didn't concede? It wasn't that short. I'm sure we had to play that. It was pretty short. We had to replay another shot?

It's just, and like, I kind of thought it was just gonna be like all Koala videos and like, just really ringin' the towel for- And Ernie getting on tent this week, and it was a complete fucking bonanza. Ernie getting in Tigers' ass about, like Tiger kind of complaining about the crowd a little bit, and like, wait a second, here. I think Er Ernie got a lot of people's asked privately too.

Yeah. The tour of like, hey, like why would you ever post that read video? Why, like just just going to war for his dogs. He had some good stuff. After last night too, just saying, hey, like, like, we need to be able to run our international team independently of like, tour headquarters. Just like how they formed the team, like the World Ranking Team. That and just the way that, you know, basically he's like, one of the reasons

the Ryder Cup works is because, that you're a versus. So European team is totally independent and they have their own leadership and everything like that where he's like, I have to go to guys at tour headquarters to ask for permission on stuff. Right. Well, one thing on the read video, getting posted, and learning to get in post about it,arkened back to like five, six years ago.

Just golf Twitter. It felt like a free for all at times. Totally. People, like lots of people, nuking other people. Like, literally, you had to keep your head on a square. Everyone's a big fan. I golf Twitter. Yeah.

Going back to the, the, I haven't fun thing. It would be like Bill Belichack, you know? Yeah. Going out on the field after the game, actually like he's filming himself. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Just, Bill Belichack, just having some fun with the fans. Well, I know we wanted to talk golf stuff too, but I'm dying for Randy to just expand on his, because Tweet Storm that he had, I think, on the Saturday morning, just about the situation, like with Reed's caddy and everything. It was wonderful.

It was perfect. Yeah, I don't know. I, you know, like you guys, you wake up, well, one, you can't decompress a night, and then you wake up, just feeling frisky. Yeah, I feel like I was stepped into Tron. She is the last thing I've ever made. Is this what life is like all the time?

Yeah, man, the heavy, like it's just a burden. You can't turn it off. Heavy lives the crowd. So I, yeah, I wanted to get in the tour's ass. I think, you know, my big thing is they certainly had a role in their lack of leadership and lack of action. I think you can trace a direct line to the whole read fiasco and what happened with the caddy.

Essentially, they let a bad situation just kind of boil out in the public. And then like, of course the Australian fans are getting a ton of shit. And of course, like Patrick and Kessler are gonna get pissed about. Like, I'm not even... I'm gonna remember a bunch of shit. And of course, Patrick and Kessler are gonna get pissed about. Like, I'm not even...

I'm gonna remember a bunch of more things that happened, but there was also the fan video of JT, like poking fun at like, hey Patrick, is this how you do it? Like sweeping the sand away? Like yeah, it wasn't gonna be good this week, no. Oh, I, so I don't know. Go back to your point about like, the punishment,

like not receiving punishment, actual punishment for it, and kind of getting brushed off and laughed about, like brings him into the court of public opinion. Right, because I mean, there was no forced apology, there's no remorse, there's no, it was like a slap on the wrist, two-shot poundy, like slugger, man he took it like a gentleman, like what a absolute gentleman.

And so then you have people who, and players too, like Cam Smith, rightfully, and other players we've talked to, are just like, yo, what the hell? Like, you know what was Bullshit? I forget who was pointing this out on some various group texts yesterday. Might have been bread and poor at there, someone. But the fact that Cam Smith gets painted as like the instigator on the broadcast is bullshit.

Well, that's the thing. The kind of, oh man, he really stirred the pots. Like no, he's the only guy who was like, yeah, he fucking cheated, man. He literally, he literally cheated. That's the thing about like the tour, you know, called golf channel a bunch this week, leaned on him when they were actually discussing it

in Frank Terms or like on the broadcast, you know, after everything Patrick reads been through this week, like just like the tour forcing them to frame it like that is part of, is part of the issue and that's part of what. Yeah, so so my last like tweet in this storm, I, I don't want to just like rehash a verbatim, but the, and to your point, Tron, is the toured just continues to whitewash like player behavior. And when everybody is a class act, it leaves them so ill-equipped to deal with situations

like this where, you know what, I kinda cheated. And you guys need to do something. What goes all the way back to him being selected for this team, like, which I called out when it happened. I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? Are you serious? People not remember what he did in Paris on the way out? How does that earn you a captain's election?

The very next of the best part is. It's one of Tiger's boys. Yeah, I like it because he tells him like it is. The best part is he's definitely, definitely making the Ryder Cup team for sure. Next year on points, it's gonna be. But I think of telling thing thing with with the read too was

after you know they kind of made the Australian fans, hey you got to you know we're gonna start throwing people out for stuff. Read then like amps back up the whole stick of like like listen I know you fuckers can't say anything. So I'm gonna waiting for him to really do it. He just kind of like did some fist pumps and kind of looked around a little bit. She just I thought I was like I thought he was gonna go to the the shish. bit. She was like, I thought I was like, I thought he was gonna go to the shush. I thought he was gonna get him. I'm like, yeah dude, they're already being quiet.

This is a complete projection just by watching, you know, the shots that are put in front of us. But it looked like there were a couple times you could kind of see at his face like, oh shit, like I might have pushed it a little too far at this time, especially early. And then he started making more birdies and was like, like I was saying, I think he probably left Royal Melbourne shouting total exoteration. I don't know

he's gonna talk into. I don't know how much contrition there's no cheating no fan of structure. It's a witch hunt. I think it's gonna be really interesting to see how how he's treated you know once we get to the West Coast swing here once we once the golf season ramps back up, the rank and file of the PGA tour, not the top 10 or 15 players that have shit to lose, but those guys in that 25, the 125 range, how they treat him. Because I know for a fact a lot of those guys are pissed off about it. Well, if the Kutcher thing lasted all year just like for not tipping a caddy,

like what people think that he should, I have a good feeling that this read thing is not going away anytime soon. And it does like, it sucks. I got, I thought the J.C. like dragging the club thing was dumb and silly, but like, it unnecessary. But like, the guys were put in a really difficult spot, like totally, like to start the week, what do you do? You either nuke your teammate or like the, like the NBC golf channel, like go into them to like try to defend it and like help bring, read back into favor with everyone. And they do, like it's, it's pretty totally undeserved.

A totally falling all over themselves, like undeserved. I forgot to list that in there, Patrick Reed, or the web sims and interrupted the interview to say all the heckling of Reed was totally undeserved. Like, not only was he not asked the question, it was like slugger, like he just interjected and felt it his duty to defend Reed's honor.

Which, at solid to your point, is like, who puts the players in that situation? Like, why does it come to that? Is because the two are like, just didn't do anything. Well, they could have stepped in and either suspended him or, you know. Would things have gone differently when this went down if there was

no team event next week? If he wasn't on the team this coming week, could they have potentially looked into this immediately or known in that split second that they made that judgment like, hey, we can't suspend him for next week. I'm biting my tongue on the whole hero scheduling thing. Oh, because that was part of it.

That was great for the event though. The US, the US, the US, just showed up, just sleepwalking. You should love that though. They showed up handicapped, which is kind of sick. I mean, even if they're like, yo, Patrick, to play in the presence of, we're gonna need you to, whether you have to fake it or not,

you gotta issue some type of like public apology and like Show some contrition about like hey like I messed up. I realize it looks terrible. I'm really sorry Which they might have and he might have been like no well and then to your point though It lets guys like Thomas and web simsons like yeah, you know like he they can point to you know You apologize we're moving on like it gives them a much easier out to answer those questions. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a lot of fun. Well, why don't you guys keep talking, and I'm going to mute all your mics, and we're going to miss a bunch of stuff that happens while we play through this break. We do want to step away. Shout the bony there for a minute. Because our friends at Calaway

want to remind you that just around the corner, in March, there's an event coming up. It's going to be on television. There's a long walk between the 16th hole and the 17th hole. But just so you know, that's coming up in March. But no, just kidding, come on, we're just kidding. Calaway does want you to know that Zander, Zander Shoffley, of course, was the first player

to gain the new latest Gen Apex Iherns, was the first player to add a new T-Box weapon to his setup. And he said about it. From the minute we tested it, I knew 2020 couldn't get here soon enough. He actually had to get special permission from the company to get it in play this early.

That is, of course, the new Maverick driver, which we'll be talking about a lot coming up soon. That club helped drive his Sunday's singles takeedown of Adam Scott and to tie for the second most points scored on the president's cup in the president's cup. In the announcers called out his toe-to-toe T-box superiority during Saturday's alternate shot match-up. So see a little bit more about Zander's early holiday gift, calwaygolf.com slash think maverick that's MAVRIK,

and now back to our regular scheduling programming. What I miss. We had a long discussion this week about being a dog versus a killer. For sure. And here's a dog and here's a killer. Oh, convinced. And how you define these things

and there's a big semantic conversation. We want to go through and who the dogs and the killers are. Oh, sure. That would literally take hours. There's only one killer. Yeah, I think we understood. like that was kind of the problem. It's like, try not to, I'm not exaggerating. Probably talked about this for three hours.

I'm Friday. We gotta go have lunch. Like, we had to take it offline. You go to his Cuban place. No, we went to Mick Flamingo in Pontavigia Beach. It was awesome. No free ads, but it was great. The only true killer after this whole conversation

is unfortunately the cat. I mean, the cat is the only killer that maybe has ever existed. And the only one capable of killing him is himself. Correct. Otherwise, he would have just been killing people for like another decade. I think Xander's a dog.

For sure, lots of dogs. Lots of dogs. Dogs are like, you know, junkyard dogs. You want them on your team. The way I was ready to fight, yeah. I was just crying. I just want to roll with. If there's a bone in the room like in the room

They're not stopping till he get the bone, right? Apes, apes at the honestly dog. So where we, It's Smith, Gamsmith dog. Smith Smith's a dog. Where we kind of deferred a little bit was DJ brought Kevin nod to the conversation for some reason. Well, there's a lot of different kinds of dogs. Seriously, I think there's a whole other podcast.

See the Chihuahua? Well, I said he's like kind of one of those like yappy Seriously, I think there's a whole other podcast. Is he a Chihuahua? Well, I think he's one of those like, yappy dogs. Like, he's a dog, just not the dog that, you know, he's not a junkyard dog. Sure, yeah. Patrick Cantler?

Dog. Dog. Yeah, yeah. One question we got, like, does, I don't have it. I didn't save all the questions. At the house. What did this week change your view of anyone else? Anyone's career.

Anyone's career, either for the future or the past, or did they change anything you think about them? For me, if you want me to kick it off, I don't think it changed my view of anybody only because I don't think I had a view of a lot of these guys to start with. I don't think my context on A-Bancer or SunJM or what, like, I know they're good, but I haven't watched them enough candidly to, like, know all that much about them.

And now, after watching them, like, yeah, I think they're studs. You know, I think, like, the way A-puts, the way SunJ, like, SunJ maybe didn't miss an iron child the whole week. And SunJ was one I had of, like, we knew he was good. We knew he was good. We knew he was good, but that was, like, dude. We knew he was good, but that was like, dude, he fit in with the cream of the crop. If you're drafting from these 24 players,

I think Sungjae probably goes in the top six. They were to play this event again this week. Totally. That would be a collection. I think for me, I really thought, Hedekki, I mean, Hedekki was playing exceptionally well. I thought that was a big missed opportunity for him. Yesterday, and our friend, the party panther down in Australia.

He texted me, he said, Matsu Yamma has the best handbreak in the game. He could stop a semi on black ice. But imagine being like, literally never ever making a putt and being that good at golf. He's never made a putt. No, just the same way that, that good at golf. That's what he's never made a putt. No, just the same way that he never told me. He's never told a lie.

Yeah. Is that right, Trump? Yeah. No, he's never told a lie before. He ain't even chopped down a cherry tree. Other players, like, I'm definitely not going to go so far as to say the president's cup is like an indicator of the rest of time and space, but Dustin did not look good. I don't think he wouldn't.

I don't even think he checked out. He didn't even pretend to care now. I think he was doing a lot of jet skiing. Oh, shit. He said it's a hobby. It's a hobby. He lives in jute, man. No, I think how songly, I thought that was.

Yeah, that's bad. Just crazy. Yeah, I mean, just talking to people that are close to situation down there, and I will say like not the people you think I was talking to, like not players or caddies, maybe like that, just people around the team room or people, you know, close to your national team said like, yeah, he just showed up totally unprepared, like basically a waste of a roster spot was the quote from the team room.

And he seems like a really funny, like lighthearted dude. So like, it just didn't seem like he gave a shit, which is kind of like the international's version of DJ. Like he is, he is many DJ in all forms. Just not quite as good a call. But like, think about that. Ernie and Oglevy and those guys, hiring all the analytics guys,

going through all these different simulations and iterations and leaving no stone unturned, being just thorough as fuck. And then Halhtong Lee comes in, has his physio on the bag for him. Guys never caddy before, doesn't speak English. And Halhtong doesn't even English. And you know, like, how Tom doesn't even want to hit the clubs off the tee that, you know,

basically just wants to hit driver everywhere. And Arnie's like, cool, you're just not going to play, dude. Which Ernie, you know, they've mentioned this on the broadcast lot, but like Ernie, course record holder at this place, Jeff Ogowie literally lives on the golf course. Like, you couldn't have two people more. Like, I know a lot of captains talk about, you know,

I'm kind of a player's captain. I'm just there to kind of, you know, make sure everyone's vibing. But this seemed like, and it seemed like it was successful. The first time in recent memory where that tactic, where it's like, no, no, no, listen to me. Do this. Has to work so well.

Has to work so well. It's a coach, like you should be coached out there. If you don't know the course. And like you could see that on the American side as the week went on, jet lag wearing off, and being like, oh, that's how I should play this shot. Like, oh, okay. And then once they figured that out, it was kind of like.

And just like flipping their brains on, and like, man, like I can't do certain stuff around here. Like I have to be restrained and disciplined and all that. So like, I think to me, that has ripple effects too. Like, Lee has to play all five sessions on, you know, he's not in the best shape. You've got, you know, it just puts so much more pressure on everybody else.

Same with, you know, like Bryson, showing up and playing like shit. I mean, I guess that's, same deal on the US team. So I don't want to make sure, like sure, I wanna make sure that it's clear that the international weren't the only ones with that problem. Well, to that point, we talked about this in the preview too,

is the top guys on the international's have always felt so much pressure just because of how not weak the bottom half of the lineup is, but comparatively speaking, weak the bottom half is. So Adam's got every time he plays in one of these things has to be like, I gotta go five matches and I better get like three and a half points or else like we're in big time trouble.

Like you said, leash had to play all five matches when he was pretty clear. He didn't have his a game and I'm sure he would have loved to sit a session. Hideki even got sat at one point, which was kind of crazy. I was kind of confused that Cam sat two sessions. I thought they were gonna play him more. He didn't look good the first round he played. I think that probably had a little something to do with it. And I don't know if the comment, who knows what Ernie's reaction was to him,

you know, grossly going out of his way to instigate Patrick Reed. Based on all of Ernie's other comments this week, he probably loved it. I was going to say, he, yeah. Dude, the top question we got of the most, from, oh, it was from Harry Higgs. He said, can Ernie Captain the Ryder Cup? Yeah, he seems like, and Nick Price was a little bit like that too,

just like fully invested. The guys completely were in his corner. Like, he seems like, if he wants to do it, like, I don't know who you have Captain instead of him over the next eight years. Like, he might as well be four in a row, three in a row. it, I don't know who you have captain instead of him over the next eight years. You might as well be four in a row, three in a row. Well, I have a take. I think the president's cup should be played internationally every time. That'd be great. That'd be cool. Yeah. We already have the most ridiculous advantage in this event. We're going to coil hollow. It's going to be liberty national all over again.

For sure. Look, look, how much better is a competition when the, when the course plays this much of a factor in a positive way? We saw it in France, like in a totally negative way, like it just neutralized all the excitement, this course brought, helped bring the internationals into play because it's not just a bomb, you don't have to just crush it everywhere. And I'm not saying that like it neutralized the US, it just like show off different talents other than distance. And it's not just a bomb, you don't have to just crush it everywhere. And I'm not saying that it neutralizes the US, it just like show off different talents

other than distance. And it's going to be a distance bombing fest at Quail Hollow. It's going to be boring as hell. So question for you guys. Do you think? So I'm sorry. Do you guys think the, and I don't mean it's disrespectfully to Tiger because he played exceptionally well. And Tiger, the Tiger, the player who was like the MVP of the week, I think the US won in spite of Tiger the Captain. It was, I think it was totally unnecessary for him to be the captain.

Like, it was just like a weird flex. But it was also chosen well before his resurgence and all that. So that's, it was important. It was what'd been getting in 2018, I think it was. So he had just started to come back a little bit. I agree.

It wasn't like, it wasn't like, oh, he could be playing it. But I remember when it was announced, kind of like, oh. Yeah, he might be playing it. But from all I've gathered, he was chomping at the bit to do it. And like as soon as the tour approached him, he was like, I'm it, I'm it 100%. Like, whatever you need, I'll do it.

And which was like, we've seen the cat evolve a lot in the last, you know, 24 months or whatever it is, but that was new at that time. That was still like a, whoa, like he was actually really involved in the 2017 Presidents Cup, but yeah, at Liberty National, he was like celebrating when Phil made a putt, and like people had that image of him raising his fist

when Phil made that putt, it was kind of like, oh, it's kind of a new tiger. And we've come a long way since then, but it's kind of like a whoa for the tour. We get an opportunity to get tiger and pump this process. Oh, I mean, I get all the reasons why I'm just saying, just specifically, especially the first couple to is. Like I just feel like he, you know, he didn't,

his guys weren't in a position to win matches. They flew in jet lag from the hero. The scheduling reasons I'm with you there. Like if they really had really taken it seriously, they would not have held the hero. The scheduling reasons I'm with you there. Like if they really taken it seriously, they would not have held the hero like the week before it, which like they played 27 holes of practice out there. Which, right. Like the intricacies of where you need to land balls

on these greens to get to certain pins. There's no way you can learn that. And I'm not sure the international's official plate more than that, but like that's. I mean sending read in Simpson out three sessions in a row. It's bizarre. You know, it's just boys. It's boys.

Because one thing that I do want to law the President's Cup for is the, and it kind of sucked because it was like the last thing every day and it's 2 a.m. our time by the time we're watching it. But all the match selection stuff is so good. And the schedule's better. Sputting up the first day session in a two days is better for every single viewer in the world.

Like, we can sit around and watch golf for 12 hours sometimes. Like, who, what working people on a Friday can just sit and watch, you know, two straight sessions of team play. It just break it up in two days. It's great. But I just thought it was very, very telling to see Ernie and his guys kind of, you know, choose their guys, just up on stage there and then watch Tiger and

Cuppie. Cups. Cups. Yeah, their process looked radically different. I think Ernie, we've alluded to this. I think he squeezed like every bit of toothpaste out of the tube. Yeah. From an analytic perspective, like he did, all he could to get his team into position to succeed. Once you roll him out there on Sunday, I mean, there was nothing he could have done order-wise or any strategy wise on Sunday to stop what was coming. I mean, it felt kind of inevitable

that they weren't not gonna be able to hold onto that, but he got as much out of them as they could have possibly done. Then that that Friday, whatever Thursday here, the second day, like letting that afternoon slip away was what like that was the sign. Like, okay, yeah, it's not going to happen. It's like you can only hold back the damn for so long, especially when like and I love his game and I'm super impressed with it. And I think he'd win a lot more if the setups were different

and different skills were tested. But when CT pans, one of your best players in your team and you're going against JT, Intiger, and Sander, and Fina, that's a tough ask. Yeah, that's where going all the way back to how you choose teams. And I know Randy, you've been on this block too of just like, you gotta throw general thinking

out the window. And like if you were the US and like, CT Pan had a great week, right? I mean, what other guys like on the, like is Abraham answer, no disrespect to Abraham answer. Would he have made this US team? Like if he was American, would they have selected him for this team?

Like I don't know if it would, but like I can answer that, no. Right, but like look, he can show up at a present scup, go against a very strong US team and go three and one. Like you don't have to fit into this mold of, this is the safe guy, Matt Koocher, come on in, you're on the team, I know Koocher made it on point, so I'm just saying, like they're thinking

for Captain's Pixies so inside the box that look at some of the guys that are successful and like looking ahead, this is why I was arguing for Speed. It's like two holes into this thing. How many people in sort of like, whoa, Speed would have actually been a really great fit for this thing. Or Kizner. Yeah, Kizner, fantastic.

So I'm glad Zander was there. I'm glad Kanteley was there because those are two guys that weren't in Paris that look like they could have helped that team a lot. But it just goes to show man like it doesn't always have to be a very uniform set because you roll the ball out and a lot of these guys can be each other on the right day. For sure. For sure.

For sure. I don't know what the answer to that is though. From an actual like real structural standpoint, is, does it become six automatic qualifiers and six captains picks? Does it because, you know, it's not gonna become 12 captains picks. I think that would give a lot more flavor. But I think even six and six would be,

like, I don't know, that seems like kind of a no brainer. Oh, six, yeah. For sure, but the problem is though, sorry. I'm gonna cut you off. I feel like the problem is though, there's this pressure to, even if it's six, right? Then you're gonna pick like six of eight from, let's say like, spot seven through, you know, 15,

or whatever it is, seven through 14. And I think that's what I would like to see somebody get away from and actually build the best team for the course, for the event. And maybe that's taking a guy like Kisner, actually build the best team for the course for the event. And maybe that's taking a guy like Kisner, or Speed through, you know, has a short game, you compare him and force him with somebody. There's just not that like creativity.

I think it gets back to the, there's this pressure expectation too. You just have to pick out of those like next three or four guys who didn't qualify. Two things. Make the points private. Make the point list private. That will help free up people so much to actually select

people that they want to take. Want, make it six people and make it private. Yeah, I think people figure now. People default, just say, come up one day and say these six people automatically qualify. Okay, I don't know who's seven through whatever is. Because I think, like you said, they feel pressure to say, oh, I gotta blow up

because people are gonna say, what, he was 7th in points. My challenge to that always is, hey, tell me how the points work. Go ahead, tell me how it works. Why is that the best determinant of who is gonna play well in that, like, can you explain how the point, you probably can't,

because like, people just take these points as gospel and it doesn't mean shit. Like, what's the core, I'd love to, I should probably looked into this, like the correlation between who earns the most points in qualifying and what their Ryder Cup records are. I guarantee, I would almost bet, I'm not gonna guarantee, I would almost guarantee

that it would not be correlated very strongly. It would be sweet if they'd had, the US team had to abide by whatever, you know, the tourist current structure is, and then they just gave the international team cool. You guys wanna, like, because they're basically doing it with earning with one hand behind his back right now as far as you know like having to have how tall on the team or how you

know like he's got less depth as it is and when one of those those pay or one of those qualifiers just doesn't even show up that like, that hurts the international team a lot more than I think it hurts to have us. And you have to play them at least once. Yeah. I think, I think Kebka not being there was like a big, I think the US team probably would have bowed race a little bit more.

You would have kept going with that. On that golf course, I think. That's why, like, what if they just did away with points? And you want to make a captain important? Let him pick his own exact thing. Well, and that's the whole thing. Literally puts his name on the team. Like, yo, pick your guys.

And that's where I think, like, when you talk to players and you talk to whoever about it, it's like, well, you know, they really, they should be rewarded for having a great year or for having a great two years, or it should mean so it's like, to who? Yeah, that's what the money's for. Yeah, we're gonna get into this when we talk about kind of like rooting interest and stuff. But like, like, Sally, like the money's for. Yeah, we're gonna get into this when we talk about kind of like rooting interest and stuff,

but like, solid, like you said on the preview pod, like the thing was created in a conference room, and it's a pure exhibition, like who says that you need to, like that anybody's entitled to be on the team, like it's pure entertainment and pure spectacle and pure everything, like you said, if you want to have the captains not be like ceremonial figureheads, then make them like pick the team. And I started saying that a couple years ago as kind of like as a joke, like oh, it should be 12 captains picks.

And the more I think about it, the more I'm like, God, that, you can even- Are automatic qualifiers like Team USA basketball? That's what you are saying, yeah, make it like a dream team. And that's the thing, like the most famous international team ever, the 92 dream team, they left off some really good players because Jordan didn't like them. I did.

Yeah, it's like there's no automatic qualif, like, oh, you scored this many points, you get to be on the team. It's like, oh man, they have triouts and they pick the team and the coaches, you know, roll with the guys they want to roll with. A book has literally been written about this by the guy himself. So it's like, this is not a secret of any kind, but like the one guy who went outside the box and changed Captain's picks from two to four

and selected Steve Stricker, a rookie at the time, as far as Ryder Cup, Hunter Mayhan, a rookie at the time for the Ryder Cup, JB Holmes, a rookie for the Ryder Cup, and Chad Campbell, that's 2008 Ryder Cup. That's the captain's picks from Paul Azinger. And like, 100 Mayhan played five matches. And like he said, no, this is, he came,

he met with the guys who were automatically qualifying and be like, who do you guys want in your group? Like, who's your guy? And they're like, we want that guy. Like, boom, you're good, you're in. And it was not, I'm sure that, I don't have the guys that got snubbed from that team, but I'm sure there was some great player to left off that team, but I was like, no, what is the fit?

Who are you gonna play with? And I don't mean like take Web Simpson to babysit the biggest trouble boy on the team. I mean, like, why do you fit into this group? This is a hell of an emotional support at all. He was. Poor we have, man. So two other guys won't be able to.

Patrick, have you thought about finding Jesus? But even like, yeah, like who looked like they wanted to be there more? And of course, it's easy to cherry pick the stats after, but was it like Xander and Cantlay, or was it like Cooture and DJ? Oh my god. Well, so, so that's another guy I want to talk about is kind of putting this within their career arc. I think Cantlay had a massive week.

Yeah. putting this within their career arc. I think Cantly had a massive week. I think for just, you know, his profile in the game, making some huge pots, I mean, I was really impressed with him. For both Cantly and Zander, how's this? How's this for like your career trajectory? Hey, Tiger Woods picked you to go out and play five matches. Yeah.

How can you not stand over the ball with the most extreme confidence after that happened? Which I know we've talked about, it's hard to define. None of us are in the team room. But can you imagine how, in some of the guys that I talked to, how fucking cool would be to play for Tiger Woods? And that's where getting stuck. Like, all the way back to your question about the captaincy and like, did they win

despite Tiger? Like, I hate getting into the sports rider, cliche's and who wanted it more. It's subjectively no, right? But like I, yeah, I think that probably had a huge factor. Which I think Tiger Woods comes up as like, you'll get a fucking point. Yeah.

All right, I'm gonna go do that. I think regime wise, I'm with you. And like the overall four captains, the duties are shared more than like the broadcast will let you like lead on. Overall regime, I thought it was like a very average, and if you factor in scheduling in front of it, below average leadership.

Like for mall, we, like, Tiger trying to talk on analytics, like some of the I think Shane Ryan asked him about like how they use analytics was kind of like, okay, so you don't really, you know, you're not using the same analytics, the international's are using it, like the Europeans are using it. It's very clear, it's very much still gut feel, so you don't really. You're not using the same analytics, the international's are using it, and like the Europeans are using it.

It's very clear, it's very much still gut feel and who you pair with who. But at a different level, like going out and playing for somebody like Tigers got to be the biggest thrill. And it's something that should happen in an event like the President's Cup, right? I mean, it's even more of an exhibition

than the Ryder Cup is. Like Ryder Cup's more of a competition note arguing than the President's Cup. But Like Ryder Cup's more of a competition I would argue than the president's cup. But the other guy I want to talk about on the international team, Joaquin Neiman. He was a big discipline. That was the best way. Yeah.

That could have been a big break out. That was like, like two holes in it. I was like, oh, he does not hit it hard enough for this golf course. Which is so cool, and we'll talk about the golf course. We haven't even got to that yet, but it's so cool to see like how many different particular skills you needed to play this place. And like if you don't check got to that yet, but so cool to see how many different particular skills

you needed to play this place. If you don't check one of the boxes, if you can't control your spin, you're gone. Yeah, I'm gonna check. It was like Sungjae was everything we thought he was in 10 times more and walking. I just don't think he's ready to come out of the oven yet

as far as he's just incubated a little bit. Yeah, he's got some shit to work on. But his ball flight works on the tour. It's gonna, ball's got to be incubated a little bit. Yeah, he's got some shit to work on. But like his ball flight works on the tour. Like it's gonna, ball's gonna stop on the greenness. Like he, and he hits it incredibly straight. And there's just here, it's not gonna work. I know we've said this a bunch of times and said it leading into, but the fact that a place like

Roel Melbourne can make, you know, you're basically talking about 24 of, for all intents and purposes, like literally the best players in the world. I know the international teams weaker on world rankings and whatever, but they're still the best players in the world. And the fact that a firm, fast, place like Royal Melbourne can make some of those players look really stupid and is wild. But the fact that it just makes Tiger look that much better, just going on skill skill set, like you have to have every shot. Like other than maybe bogeying the two par threes in the singles match, like I don't know what else Tiger did

wrong. Watching him, watching him control his distance with his irons and shape the ball, where I mean, and and and singer, I think ran out of terms to say, we're like, yeah, he's dropping this one from a hot air balloon under the green, you know, but like, you know, high draws low cuts, just he hit dropping this one from a hot air balloon under the green, you know, but like, you know, high draws, low cuts, just, he hit every single one of the shots that, like of those 12 shots

that he does in the warm up. He hit all 12 of those multiple times. Which, like, I want to, like, we should be praising the setup, not just like what they let it get firm as hell, and where they put those pins was fucking awesome. Like, it was literally, like literally, I didn't really love, I forget what the back nine hole is, was it 14, the part three, like the front left pin it had,

but it was like, nobody could get close to it, but it was like, all right, the question is now, hey, you gotta hit one really high, you gotta hit one really high, if you wanna land this and get this close, you gotta hit it super high and stop it quick, and not a lot of guys could do that. And like, whatever, two holes before it was like,

all right, you need to hit a low fade to get to this one because you have to use this slope, blah, blah, blah. It was, you had to have every single shot. And like, there's no better example for like all the things and people kind of get on us for complaining about the torque courses and the setup and professional golf and all that. It was like, no, no, no, here's what we're talking about.

The problem is this doesn't really exist in the States. There's not one of these golf courses. There's not. I understand this is up there. Yeah, it's, yeah. But part of the reason some of them don't exist too is like because of the way, you know, and I know there's a very unique set of variables

and circumstances down there with the sand and the climate and all that, but also like part of the reason all these tour courses look and play the way they do is because they are overwatered and they are like, you're never gonna get it all the way to Roel Melbourne, but you're also like, there's actionable things that you can do that would actually be more sustainable too.

Yeah, I also just like, those courses that we're probably talking about aren't just aren't designed to be played that way though. Like Roel Melbourne is designed to be played like this, you know what I mean? If you go and bake out, like take whatever a random course they play in the summer and bake it out, still with like the rough around the greens,

nowhere to land the ball from it. But also, like even... That's what makes Borough Melbourne the literal fucking masterpiece. Even thinking back to the Quickenloans national or whatever at TPC, Potomac forms. Like a TPC course, and that place got firm and fast and baked out and was like TPC, Potomans farms like a TPC course And that place got firm and fast and baked out and it was like man like we're seeing some different

Skills and stuff. Yeah, and you still see it. You still see it the majors most yeah more often than not I just want to separate out like like we're literally talking about the best like this We're not we're not saying hey take rural Melbourne and do this every week on PGA tours not possible Yeah, it's not it's also a big ask to say, okay, make it firm, do all these things, but also have enough space for this. It's a hard puzzle that they're trying to put together. They should bake out Trinity Forest. Yes. There's a good example.

I have a hard out, is there anything you guys need me to answer before? Let's talk Rick out of here. We need you. Ricky undefeated your reaction. Undefined. 103. Somehow Ricky continues. It's he's got an uncanny ability to both play well and kind of staying.

It's a. How exciting are you when it looked like it was going to come down to Ricky for the top? Legitimately, I wanted to see it. I'm just like anybody else. If he would have like busted through and earned earned a decisive point in the 1718th whole of his match, like, hey, credit to him. I was rooting for it.

His backline though was a little squirrely. He had some great shots. He's going to be a pot. Yeah, for... So I legitimately like, you know, hyperbole aside. I think that would have been great theater To see how he responded Ricky might be like the most Like the least I would question their game and that it is never like better than that and it's never worse than that

Like he never it's never like oh, I can't wait to see what Ricky does today Like you literally almost know exactly what you're gonna get, you know Yeah, I did get like for being he's always cited as one of the best putters in the world. He doesn't make a lot of like big putts. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like back nine, one at counts, it's like, yeah, that one ran by. So I don't know. I certainly, you know, I love getting to retire the bit. Win a major. I just want to thank you for your time. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit.

I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the bit. I'm gonna have to do it for you to retire the it. What is he gonna have to do for you to retire the bit?

Win a major. I just want, I figured that was a case, but I just want to get rid of it. Right, I think that's the thing. It's like, Randy's not necessarily even rooting against. You're not rooting against him. I mean, not necessarily. I think, he's just like, yo, dude, show me.

Yeah, yeah. People are like, man, this is so tired. This is a tired bit. Well, you know, that's kind of like on my world. I was kind of tired of hearing about the guy called. And when he does win a major, he ran to be first one on the 18th degree to congratulate him.

Exactly right. With that, you got to, we're signing you out. So yeah, guys, you all have my best. I'm going to go play with some youths at Jack's Beach. For anything, you're always generous with you. One other thing, you know, granted, people can say Kebka best. I'm going to go play with some youths at Jack's Beach. Great thing. You're always generous with your team. One other thing, you know, granted people can say, Keppka, missed it on the US side, but like not having Jason

Day as much as I can't stand the guy and think he's a Charlottain and, you know, all get to the point. But he like he like not sure little to not having one of your best players On the international team when you lacked depth and all that like Subbing in Ben on for Jason day like that. I spent on looking for a while His record does not represent how I felt like he played one two and two and but I think having been on instead of how tongue and Adding Jason day would have been a big step in the right direction. Yeah, it definitely would have. It was, God, it was just a, how much do we think the golf course fed into

how much we enjoyed this event? Oh, massively. And like, I've been a proponent of like, yeah, Ryder Cup, I got the venue doesn't really matter that much. Like, it's more about the match play. And now I'm like, oh, well, well, you've got to go on, fucking Melbourne. I have course, that's like the greatest viewing experience

you can have as a fan. Prime time, they did a great job with the TV times. It was a little late at times, but there's not much else they could have done. In December, when people are kind of the hold up and ready. We're also talking about like, we're the only people in the world. Like our time zone is the only, yeah.

That's true. Well, like the majority, like they're targeting like East, like the East, everything is in TV works around the East coast of the US for the most part. But yeah, it was just unbelievable viewing. Well, you're going to get the coverage here at a certain point, and we're not going to get to it before then.

I think as far as the golf course, I don't want to pivot away from the golf course. But to your question on how much did that feed into your enjoyment of the event, I do think that was a big part of it But I think that was a big part of it because it allowed the internationals to be competitive Yes, and I think the internationals taking the lead was 90% of my enjoyment on this And I want to talk about this like at length because I know my associate Trond has there's been a lot of haters and losers coming at Trond about rooting for the international. Actually, people have been almost surprised.

Like, oh, you're rooting for like, yeah, I know. Like, that's not a bit. Like, I just, I don't know. I just don't care to root for like, Bryson and Webb and Zach Johnson in the past. Expound on this a little bit. One, I think we covered extensively. There's some players on the US team that are just not inspiring, and that's not to say the international's

are all that inspiring, but, like, my question or my challenge, I guess, to anyone who would be pissed about an American rooting for the international's, is like, what do you think this event is? Because, like we said, it was created in a corporate boardroom. The whole thing is like, yeah, it's the US versus the rest of the world, but not Europe.

But one of the guys is from Texas, but, you know, like none of them speak the same language as each other. They speak the same language. Yeah, it's kind of just, it's so cobbled together. Some of them hate each other. That when you really look from South Africans and Australians butt heads all the time.

Yeah, it's like when you look from 30,000 feet, like the only thing that would be interesting here is the Americans not winning. And so it's not like, this isn't a fucking like my country tiz-of-the-situation. Like, we're not talking about a war. It's like a made up, like corporate orgy thing. Which is why they should draft the teams.

Which is why they should draft the teams. Which is why it's like, yeah, of course, I want the international to win. Like, why would I root for the globe traitors? Like, this is stupid. And that's why all the air was completely sucked out of the balloon. As soon as it was like,

our coach makes the winning point, like, yeah, go USA, proud to be an American. Like, no, come on, this isn't that. Whereas I do think the Ryder Cup, trying to tie all this together, I think the Ryder Cup feels different because the atmosphere is so much thicker and so much. It's clear sides.

And that's where I think the golf course does matter. Like if it was on a better golf course, would it be better, of course? But I think the golf course does matter a little bit more because the tensions ratchet it up so high because it's so much more competitive to where it's like, you know what I'm getting at.

I think so. I just don't, like I don't ascribe me being American to, oh man, like I, these guys represent me and like it's, it's, it's an arbitrary team golf competition, like you said. And I just happen to think, I just happen to like the underdogs in this scenario where like, with the European team in the past, like I've just liked watching those guys. I just wanna go have beers with those guys. Yeah, I was kind of like,

I was, I said something on Twitter yesterday, which was probably ill advised, but it was like, you know, I'm not rooting against Tiger, but essentially I was kind of trying to say like, I'm not rooting against Tiger, but it would be really, really, really cool to see someone like A-Bancer take down Tiger at the peak of his powers. Because of course, Tiger's supposed to win.

So it's not fun to root for the thing that's definitely supposed to happen. Right. I think where I net out on this is if I'm ranking what I would want to see happen, maybe the least I would want to see happen is the US win in a route. Unless it's like a comical, like 17 was so bad that it was comical.

But like, I'd rather see the international's win it than the US win in a boring route. I think that would be way just more interesting. I cannot say the same for the Ryder Cup. For the Ryder Cup, I would want to fucking pound those guys into the dirt. It's fair. But like, when it comes down to it at the end,

why do you think that is? Why is that different? That's my point. It's a competition that the guys actually, I'm not saying people don't care about the president's cup, but it is second billing and everyone has to say they're their only thing, right? And it's not, but there is no real continuity within.

They're not strategizing year round of how we're going to do the president. They're not the same nationality. It's not, but there is no like real continuity within. They're not strategizing year round of how we're going to do the present. Like they don't, they're not the same nationality. It's not, it's nothing. It's, there's no real continuity on that team. And the Ryder Cup is just so different for the history between it and like how much pride the guys take in it and how serious they take it. And how much it like makes them actually tighten up.

I don't think the presence cup makes anybody tighten up. I think it's a really fun team event, but I don't think that, like, I don't think Justin Thomas talking about he couldn't put the ball in the tee in France. And like, I don't think he has that trouble at Ro Melbourne. That's the difference for me. And what going back to like the set up thing what I'm talking about is I've been on record in the past being like both sides, US and Europe in the Ryder Cup are messing up this core set up thing. It's going too far in the extremeder Cup are messing up this course setup thing. It's going too far in the extreme each time. And we've had one close Ryder Cup in the last, like, 2002 was close, and 2012 were close.

And that's it. And like, it's the home team wins like every other time by like a lot of then 2004, which is a disaster. But my point being like, there's something like a course setup like this that it wasn't necessarily neutral. I think it was just like an amazing golf course to play a term. Like you're telling me like Italy's golf course is gonna, it's gonna be like an amazing set up and it's gonna look a lot like

France I'm sure and that was not made for good theater. This, like, you're regardless, I don't know if that's right word of how, I don't actually even think that is a word. The final result, like a good setup and an exciting competition should be the goal of this thing. Yeah, more so than that. That's a golf exhibition. Like that was my thing.

I wanted my, what I liked the most was seeing the Aussies turn out, you know, it was an amazing environment that they created and all hats off to them. And the whole thing with like, oh, you know, like why don't they have more golf tournaments down in Australia? Like they do. It's called the Australian Open. And like granted golf Australia needs to get their shit together

and have more of those in Melbourne. But like they have the World Cup. They have certain tournaments. Like you can watch them. Like you want to support Australian golf and you want to see more golf like this. And like watch the Australian Open. Like what like support golf in Australia as an international viewer

and just fan of golf. Like the golf is richer and better with Australia well represented in the ecosystem. Like back in the early 2000s, they had a WGC down there, 40 of the top 100 in the world didn't show up. Which I think is a shame. And that's where in the city schedule, they had it like in early January didn't show up, which I think is a shame. And that's where it is. It's a shitty schedule issue

that they had in early January when the tour was, it was just, that you can't make it easily skippable, right? So if we have a WGC in December, there's no more weeks that aren't easily skippable. It's too saturated with other WGC down there like in December. That's your best chance I think to get guys to show up, right?

But before you take time for the holidays. And like guys are going to, man, I'm not saying Australia and China are close together. I'm just saying guys are traveling out of their way to go play the WGC in China or to go to the CJ Cup or whatever. And I have no problem with that part of the world being represented,

but I just have a problem with Australia being drastically underrepresented. And I know some of it comes down, a lot of it comes down to money. A lot of it. Taxi. Which is tough and that sucks, but it comes down a lot of it comes down to money a lot of it tax which is tough and that sucks but it's almost like hey man like I think we're talking about supporting the game not just not just your bank account and I give credit to guys like spieth and Abe answers the defending or before this year is defending

as you open champion kuturs gone down there a bunch like there are guys that go down and play it and kudos to them I just think like this proves that this proves that it needs to be more of a focal point. Yeah. Where's the event going in 2023? I'm hoping it'll leave this open. I think Royal Montreal. I hope that's what's going to say. I hope it's like we're staying open to see how this goes this year.

And if it goes well, we're going right back. So I know they were deep into discussions with Royal Montreal as far as that being the next venue. Do you think they do an audible? I don't know. Well, I deep into discussions with Royal Montreal as far as that being the next venue. You think they Do an audible I don't know well. I would just think with Royal Montreal like what time of year you got a you got to move it up drastically Right, that's what that's what helped is doing this in December Yeah, if this was at the end of just feels like an afterthought after thought and during peak football season like they avoided all football this week Yeah, it's it's over like a solid obviously doesn't support the troops. Army Navy, man, come on. That's a good point. No, it didn't run concurrently against Army Navy.

Not the troops, man, get off me. Tron case the troops. That's why you're risking an actual. So like that is there's that's where I wanted I wanted to take carve out time to make sure that we point out like how great of a job the tour did with everything they went into planning this event. Like a scheduling point? Except to hero world challenge. Well, like being at help. I will argue that that helped the competition.

Yeah, I kind of agree. And that's what is a little scummy about this, but it even kind of reinforces my point on why I think it's more fun that the international's played well is for this thing to be close like the US basically had to be like jet lag and not really know the course that well. Like that's not that's probably not a good sign for the future. No, but it was it was great. It was good it was good viewing.

Let's talk about like the specific course like what what what was what whole stuck out to you guys what was the good viewing experience part. I think for something that's so match play based, I mean, there's so many good short part fours, right? And this is not a coverage take, I'm not back into that, but I watch literally every shot all four days, which is crazy. I cannot imagine predicting that I would do that, but that's how like invested I was. And I still don't have a good feel for the holes, because all you see is pots. That I mean. I got a really good feeling of what, one, two, and 17,

and 18 are, because I could see guys hit shots in there, and I could see, like, OK, I can see that they're going from here to here to here. But three, and three, and five, I know are the part threes. But beyond that, it gets really hard to know, like, oh, 10 is better than 11 is better than 12. Because I struggle to picture those even though I've played the golf course.

Yeah, I'm really all messed up just because of the, which holds I think I've in my head, it's not the same number. But number six, which is 10 West. That was one of my favorites. The short drive will dog like left, part four. So this is going to be hybrid of the cognum of the course and the coverage here, but now,

I didn't see one fly over of a golf hole. We see them every week on the PGA tour when they're the most like, they did a cup of holes. They were even like the graphic instead of the real. Yeah, like flying over with like, you have, you have bones on the team. Bones has catted this golf course.

Bones is no, knows how to navigate a golf course and can describe the strategy of a whole. Having him to fly over is like, that's like step one of what I would have recommended. That's not even like step eight. It's like, hey, yeah, give, give viewers an idea of what we're looking at here. This is, this is a fucking masterpiece of a golf course.

Masterpiece, like you went there for a reason show it to us Like you got explained to us why that's important Yeah, I thought I thought the first hole was fantastic and that first hole like going back to that J.T. There was the first alternate shot round Tiger hits iron and lays back to 160 yards and like you hear the conversation between J.T. And his caddy and he's like his gap wedge, right? I'm like he hits a gap wedge and he has to land it it in this little five-yard area in the front of the green to get it to roll back, and it rolls to like 20 feet.

He lands it five yards further, hits it down so open, goes over the green. And the announcer's like, yeah, that's pretty good there from J.T. I was like, no, that was awesome. You're gonna see why that was awesome here in a second, and then sure enough, I think the next shot hit the down so open, went over the green. And so it's like, you go into the viewers to Like put in context of like I hate and this is a golf It works on the PJ tour like a tee off. All right. He's just fine there because it's usually not that important to be on a certain side of the fairway

Whereas like they when they would hit a shot there back up. Yep. He's fine there or up that crept into the rough It's like sometimes being rough is not bad. On that golf course. Having two balls where you can definitively say, like this guy has a great angle. This guy has no chance to get it close. And like building the drama for like no day thing, you know, when the guy who doesn't have a chance

hits it to 10 feet. It's like, oh my gosh, that was a great shot. And like number one, the line of play changed from day one to day two. Like it was down the right on the first day, and you were screwed if you were on the left. And then the next day, it was like, you hit it right, you are screwed.

I thought they did a really good job of pointing that out. But the problem is like after number one, and a lot of this I know is more matches to get on the course and more balls are in play and all that stuff. But yeah, other than number one, like I can't think of too many great examples 18 and 18 11 11 was good. I thought they did a good job of explaining it on

Number nine as well just 17 West. It's like one of the better Yeah, the world something else that they did that I liked was that where they showed all the lies You know granted like you, maybe devote those resources to, you know, other stuff, but I thought it was a cool thing, but just, it's like, it's weird that they're not showing any t-shirts, but they have enough resources to do that. And this is the whole, the whole point of how important it is to play back, work from the whole backwards

on these holes, is like, it makes the t-shirts important and intriguing. And their strategy this week was just like, we're not showing T-Shots. Which, and this is the part of the podcast where I will happily put my hand up and say, I'm not a TV producer and I don't know what the demands are that they have, if I had a guess,

they got just shellacked with commercials that they had to put in there, which means that, you know, working backwards in honor of Royal Melbourne, let's work backwards from the commercials. But you have these fixed number of things that you have to do. You still have to tell the story of like,

who's winning the whole. So then it's like, okay, well, how do you do that? You do that with whether or not they make putts, right? And so in the limited amount of time you have, it's like, literally the only time we have is to show you this putt because it's for him to go one up. Because otherwise, if it was like, yeah, let's show his TV or his t-shot, but not his putt, then we'd be like, well, how did he get to one up?

How did he get to blah, blah, blah. So it's like, they're set up to fail. And this was kind of the point. I kind of went off on Twitter about this a little bit, but this was the point of even, like, I don't want to do coverage stuff like it sucked, it always sucks, like, whatever. Expect anything, expect anything different as we play through.

Like I don't know who to blame on this, it's kind of my thing, because like it's not just an NBC golf channel thing, it's not just a whoever sold the ads, like it's just, there's a lot of, it's just bad. It's pointed diminishing with brands, with the ads. Like it's just, there's a lot of, it's just bad. It's a point of diminishing returns with the same ads over and over and over again.

It's like what, like people are, like you're actively turning people off of your product versus trying to advertise future products. Like that's the point of like, well not only that, but just like how many times do we see the, we are, oh, the Stanley commercial. Well, my point is when you're advertising for the players and are a Morgan Stanley commercial. Yeah, well, my point is, when you're advertising for the players

and for future presidents' cups, it's like, well, I know when I tune into those in however many months or years, you're gonna do these, you're gonna get me with more commercials. Like, why is that the big payoff of like, yeah, just stick with us until the players and then it's gonna be good viewing.

And that's what I don't, I know we, we don't like, like, people give a shit. You've already got us. People give a shit for all the coverage stuff, but like that was the most vitriol reaction I've seen out of Twitter on the company. You can distill down and correct me if I'm wrong

because I kind of glaze over at points during the telecast, but you can distill down what happened yesterday to Koocher, like flipping that match, basically, right? And did we see that Louis had driven it in the trees and had to punch out, and like that's why he lost that hole, and that's why culture flipped it, and then culture goes on to get the winning point.

Like, did we see any of that? No, there was no context. No, it was in commercial. It's just, but even when there was only four, you know, like they were good on the last day when there was only three matches at the start. And then it was almost like they couldn't figure out which matches were important and they lost the plot.

And literally there's like three matches on the course right now that matter. There's maybe six or seven. And then even at the end when there were only three, like physically only three matches on the course, they still struggled to keep up and show the proper stuff. And just it's just cutting back and forth quicker. And that's where I think a lot of it was, people always say they front load, don't worry, they're just front loading all the commercials,

the end's gonna be really good. The end sucked yesterday. It sucked. That's the high point of the drama of this four days. This is why I sat around watching this all, and you just get bludgeoned and it's just it's like so I don't know like insulting and patronizing and well here's what here's the take I have watch I was at I went to my fiance's company Christmas party on Friday night

So I was unable to sit and watch the coverage, but it was on like it was obviously the sound was not on And you know whatever just music playing whatnot, but like I was drawn to watching it I think golf is actually meant to just be on in the background. Like, I honestly think that, because I was like way more intrigued watching it without the sound on and while I was distracted, then when I sit on the couch and listen and get engaged to it. And I didn't notice the commercials as much.

And it's almost like, it's designed to be reliant on like, okay, you got to trust us that we're going to show you the important parts. And you can be blind to all the things that you don't know are going on. And you can sit and watch and be like, wow, God, that was, that was good drama. That was great.

But when that trust arose, when you, the second you start like looking around at scoreboards and like tracking other matches and doing any work on your own and realizing how much other stuff's going on, you're like, you're just, you lost the plot, you lost everything. So it's, it's, I agree with what you're saying

and that I don't think that they, I, somebody at some point made a decision, whether that's the tour, whether it's NBC, whether it's golf channel, to be like, we are going to give them a middle finger, like we are going to. We're gonna give them 23 minutes of commercials in an hour.

We're gonna, the most I hard fans that are gonna start watching our broadcast first, within an hour and a half, you decided, I'm gonna time how many commercials, that that was your reaction to their product. It all comes back to the same thing with the read tweet of like, it all comes back to how the tour views, they're all fans, it's like, cool, like you guys are idiots. And I know people that are really not smart,

like to make the comparison, like, well, you guys have sponsors on your, Do you have any idea what this podcast would sound like with 23 minutes of ads per hour? We do maximum two. Do you have any idea? Like there are every single break they take is longer than all of our any breaks and you don't miss anything while we're in break. Like there's not like imagine if we just kept the conversation going, but instead of hearing it, we just played ads. That's what playing through is.

Their production costs might be a little different. Yeah, that ours. But just saying, the comparison to this is not, we're not being hypocritical in this scenario. We are, it's not the same language. I think that was the big struggle for me. It was like the, whatever. There was the ill-fated golf channel producer who tweeted like,

do people not get that, like, that's how we have to make money? Do you not get that people pay a fucking cable subscription? Like, we already paid for this channel and now, like, we can't even watch what we're essentially paying for. Like, the whole model is, I don't know. People kept saying, well, you know, sitcom TV, like, it's blah, blah, blah, like, it's this much ad time. Like yeah, have you seen that market,

like get disrupted at all over the last 10 years? Like, in some way, that doesn't mean that's the only answer, man. It's like take the middle to, you know, kind of the medium term version where it's like, hey, like you gotta, gotta invest in your product a little bit. Like maybe if the ratings improve,

each of these ads is worth more and you don't need as many of them. Like that's a fucking novel thought, huh? Well, the alternative to like what we're talking about here, legitimately is there's one alternative. It's like, okay, deal with it. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

What are you gonna do? That's their challenge to us. What are you gonna do about this? And we can't really do anything except complain about it. And so we're stuck in this, like so imagine, like there's no competition here, right? If we had 23 minutes of ads per podcast, what's gonna happen?

People are gonna go to other sources for podcasts. Like they're not gonna listen to it anymore. When there's one person that's bought the rights to this thing and there's no other viewing option, we have nothing to do but to sit here and complain. Is this what comedisms are like? So you know you're talking a lot about anti-menopathy practices.

I would love to get you some literature on that. Going back to the course a little bit, I think one of the things, the biggest theme for me was how it, not diminished, like it de-emphasized the importance of driver, of getting off the tee. Is there anything more fun than watching Tiger stand with an iron on a par four?

I just know that he's painting right now. I was thinking that- I love it. I know he's not the only player that does this, but for whatever reason, it's just, it's so much more fun to watch Tiger hit it to 12 feet. That's- That's what I'm saying. Like, when somebody else hits it to 12 feet, I'm like, oh, okay, they might make it.

When Tiger does, I'm like, oh, do you realize all the decisions that went into that? It's like, yeah, I guess other players probably felt like that too. But as far as like, it allowed, you know, guys who maybe aren't the best drivers of the golf ball or the longest drivers of the golf ball, who aren't gaining a ton of strokes off the tee to compete just as much and to show off the strengths of their game versus weekend, week out. You know, it's for better or worse. It's like, you know, Rory and DJ and Brooks, like, part of the reason, you know, and granted they've got well-rounded games and that's why they're the best players in the

world. But some of the other guys that succeed on a week-to-week basis on the tour are pretty, you know, diminished in the other parts of their game, but they're really good drivers of the golf ball. You guys want to get to a couple questions we got? Sure. Golf and whiskey asks, is Tiger happier than he's ever been? Appears to truly enjoy golf, have friends, can interact and smile. It seems like it he's ever been appears to truly enjoy golf have friends can interact and smile It seems like it we can't speak to that Porter I would ask tiger Porter's feet was awesome was just like he's been like the best for so long

But like realizing that the true joy comes like being able to share it with other people like he's been He was the best and a loner in the true a sense for so long. Like he would tell Elon, we're not celebrating tonight. Like we're supposed to win. First is like now what we see out of him hugging people and like, it kind of when they won, it kind of cut to him. And it kind of looked way too much like Jose Maria LaFabla at 2012 at the Radar Cup, which was like the most amazing. Like he closed his eyes almost like he was ready to cry.

And I was kind of like, yeah, I don't know if it's that or man. He did look like he was ready to cry, and I was kind of like, yeah, man, I don't know if it's that tremendous. He did look like he was gonna cry in the interview of Steve Stance. But it was like legitimately exciting for that. Oh, it was awesome. No, it's like between, I was going back through stuff yesterday too,

and just pulling up like the photo of him and Charlie at the Masters, and like just seeing him hugging everybody in the team, and what I was like, hey, the cats, the cats happy. That's great. Good for him. A lot of really good questions. And we're not going to get to all these.

But somebody asks, golf and moose asks, is this change or level of anticipation for 2021? I wouldn't think this was going to be a boat race. I was glued to it the whole week. I think the problem is just that like, many, many people predict the international's to win. that was not surprising. No but like I already got I'll already go on record and say the US is gonna win like 1911 at Quill Hall. Everything that happened this week doesn't translate the

Quill Hall. No, almost like almost literally not the opposite. Yeah. Grant Gates asked what do you think Coochers said after he made the winning putt? We'll leave that to you to imagine it. Subscribe to the nest if you like some more unfiltered stories. Tell us about the nest really quick, could people let all know about it? The nest is a membership that we have. What is it? NoLineUp.com slash join, I believe, is the nest. There's a bunch of things you can get on that.

Just go check it out. We don't do no extra commercial time. Go check out the nest. We're an hour and an hour and ten minutes don't, you know, no extra commercial time. Go check out the net. We're an hour and a half and a minute, so we can get a little extra commercial time. I need some time to sculpt the questions as well. One other thing I forgot to say about the coverage was, just, I wish they'd mix up the camera angles.

Oh my god, yeah. You know, like the long camera wave, I'll tag it, the replay when Tiger was hitting that putt from off the green, like that context of the scale that I want to see. And then you capture the, like, if the tour wants to tell this story about the presence cut, meaning something and all that, like, give us all the texture

of the fans reacting and how many people are out there, like that gets so watered down and lost when it's just these straight on tower shots, straight above the green. That's what makes Fox like Intra. It's not even that it's an amazing camera. Oh my God, how do they think of it? It's kind of like, oh, that looks different.

Yeah, like my eyes are fixated on this right now. I'm not continually making excuses, but I wonder if it was harder to get stuff to Australia. Cameras and infrastructure. But even then, like, then cool, have more handhelds. Like, yeah, I think of anything that actually goes, that would play more into it, right? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I also hate, like when somebody hits a putt, slowly zooming in on the ball as it gets close to the hole. Like, keep the player in the shot. I want to see the reaction of the player at the shot. Like, I just, I hate when things get overly zoomed in. It's like, you're not, you're not really adding to the drum. Somebody had a really good point too, just going back to the core stuff. It's not about green speeds.

It's about green firmness. Correct. And then the speed will come. Jeremy Wilson, if no lineup decided to pay fake fans to go and root for a player at a Torrevin this year, who would it be and what if it, we did not talk enough about how there was fake fans in the front row of a PJ Torrevin.

And then the Torre releases a statement and basically says, yeah, like these guys, you know, we have marketing partnerships, so like they weren't paid, like, all right, so literally what you're saying is like, you have partnerships and marketing relationships with companies that are providing, like, mercenary fans. That's not.

I don't think that's exactly what happened, but I think what did happen is these two like tour groups, like the fanatics and we the people. The kid spent some time with the fanatics. I was one of the fanatics. In Korea. Yeah. Last year for Halloween.

Right. So I got to know those guys a little bit, which was very jarring to see one of the main dudes, his name's Gareth. See one of the main guys all decked out in red, white, and blue. So I'm like, you're like the face of the main dudes, his name's Gareth. See one of the main guys, like, all decked out in red, white, and blue. So I'm like, you're like the face of the fanatics. What are you, like, what the hell are you doing?

And I think what happened was, I don't know if it was him or whoever, started a tour group, we the people, I was on their website yesterday, preparing for this part of the podcast. And I think what they do is they sell packages where it's like seven nights, seven days, whatever we're gonna all get decked out,

you're gonna get room and board and travel and food and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I think the tour, I think they're involved like they're not paying them to be there. I think the tour is saying like, yeah, we'll give you space on the first tee or we'll give you whatever. We'll help negotiate your hotel rooms.

Like there's other things in play here. But it is sweetening the pop. To be fair, it is misleading to say that like, okay, here's, you know, here's your thousand dollars for pretending to be an American family. That's not what it is. I mean, their experience is getting subsidized, right? Sure.

It's very funny and I very much want to laugh at it. I just want to make sure that we're setting the right context. But it's like, well, but the question is, like, why are they all Australians like riding hard for the US team? And why are those people not getting blown up on Twitter? The way you're getting blown up on Twitter, Trot? Oh, for sure. Well, they are.

You want to get the Australians fired up on Twitter, like every single one of them to a person and like, they are an absolute disgrace to that country. Yeah, the fanatics. They all, they hate the fanatics and we the people like just scum of the earth they've called them. The many people I've said. I'm not, yeah, not my work. I think, well, I was on there.

I was on there. And I know it goes to charity and stuff like that too. I don't know about that. I think the we the people stuff like it's, like it's not a non-profit thing and it goes to charity, but even then, I'm like, just go to the event and root for whoever you want. They're selling their Ryder Cup packages on the website right now,

so I think they'll be front and center at the Ryder Cup as well. The point being, you can't fake that stuff. Like the Ryder Cup first-tier atmosphere is the realist thing out there. And what happened on the first-tier of this event was borderline embarrassing. Like the songs were so half-assed, they're not funny. So no one's laughing.

No one's getting pumped up from them. Like the players have like awkwardly acknowledged them. Like that needs to go all the way. Who is that yesterday, DJ? DJ. It was just like, yeah, we're good, man. I'm gonna have's time to hit How about Bryson Whistler get the crowd? That was cool. That was sweet

He thought that was way more badass than it actually was His drive was pretty badass after that it was How far was Melting? I think you're exactly right like having been to Like the one in Korea Having been to the one at the Mirafield Village I forget if the fanatics were at that the fanatics right that one. Oh, yeah, were they? Yeah, that much pre fanatics, but no, no they were there. They were there. So yeah

I do remember a time being on the ground where I'm like, oh, you know what? Like this is fun because it's like natural and authentic and wow these guys must have flown over here And they just love the internationals and like wow, this is like okay. This is pretty cool And that's why I like went and did a whole story about it and they just love the internationals. And like, wow, this is like, okay, this is pretty cool. And that's why I went and did a whole story about it. And they were just like, they're just like drunk Australian dudes. Yeah, that's why I was like, this is sick.

But now where it's just become like organized by the brands. And like, the fact that this is conjecture, but I'm guessing the fact that because the fanatics are like in bed with the tour and have these partnerships, they didn't talk about to read at all. That was the whole thing going in. It was like, oh, I can't wait to hear what the fanatics

have to say about this Patrick Reed cheating thing. It's just an early inauthentic. If this thing was real, and those guys were just organized chance about Reed cheating, mega-signed me up for that, that would be sick. But the fact that it's all just this, it's so emblematic of everything in Pro Golf, where it's like, man, we're gonna, we're just gonna walk right up to the line, but nobody

crossed the line. Absolutely nobody crossed the line, but we would, we want to have some very sanctioned, very legal, very cool fun here. Everybody, everybody dance now, kind of a situation. It's funny dance. And it's just so like, it's so fucking fake and fraudulent. And like, it's fake juice, as Tron would say. Thank you. Did we talk enough about like,

Reen's Caddy literally went in the crowd and fought a fan? Like, legitimately, I don't know what else there's to say. About it. It's unbelievable. Like, so he wants to be a threat. Everyone's a threat. He won his Sunday match. Otherwise, we could be standing here and saying,

he's the worst captain's pick in the history of any team event ever. I'll probably pose that question to me. It may be left, or I kind of brush it off at first. He's like, hey, do you think he's the worst captain's pick ever? I was like, oh, I don't know, whatever. He's like, no, no, no, like, think about it.

He's 0-3, and he's been a distraction the whole time. And his catty, like, jumped off the cart and like assaulted a fan. That has anybody ever been worse than that. He's like, potentially dragged on his whole team, having to speak on his behalf for cheating. And acted like nothing happened, so made everybody else have to act like nothing happened.

I actually feel bad for Kessler. To where like, you know, he was in the shittiest position all week. And the fact that as many people support him as possible, everybody's hard to go on tour. He's a good guy. He's always positive. He's always, he's his own person. So it sounds, I mean, obviously he made a big mistake. It's not the right thing to do. You don't do that. And I mean, shame on the tour for not having enough security around them too. I mean, whatever they did for the sunshade. Like that was an issue.

Yeah, yeah. Right? And so, yeah, if it was an issue then, yeah. I don't know. I just can't do that. I just can't do that. Yeah. And you know that he knows that.

There's almost like one thing you can't do. Yeah. So even if you just wanna yell that kind of, like do what you gotta do to like for catharsis. God, I like get it out but like jumping off a cart and like physically. On the flip side like you know I know we've talked about it a little bit on the pie before but like one of my top two or three favorite sports memories of all time was the mallets at the palace. Like that guy's face when that guy's face when when our test first goes into the stands. He's like,

the Jermano Nail. Oh shit, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no So between it the other day or something like it is the Jermano Neil punch that missed like would have killed that guy that guy's head would have fallen off he hit one guy He hit one guy but then he had like complete wind up like all his entire body and it just happened He like slipped I think if he would have connected like the guy would have died another thing on the course I know I just keep sprinkling in these five last things. things were all wound up a lot of a lot of eight offs Yeah, because you well talk to the people about the bunkers. You leave the yeah, the bunkers are for like there's varying degrees of Firmness in the bunker the balls wouldn't stop when they got in the bunker. Yeah, that was sick I you rolled one yeah on the wrong slow like a way like going on a down-slip rolls into a bunker

It's gonna roll for like 20 more yards One of the things like the best American players like guys like Fina and Kutcher and Can't like like these guys woodland like yeah, these guys are obviously good bunker players She's being befuddled and like sculling them and leaving them in the bunker I think Zinger did a good job of saying that yesterday like like that wasn't a bad bunker shot There's just you just missed it by four inches. You have to take a chance of leaving it in there. Like you're out there have to land it four inches past the lip

or you're gonna be 30 feet by. And like, you might as well be in the bunker again. So I do, that was a big takeaway for me when we played down there was at Metro and Vic and especially Kingston Heath and Roman Albert was the varying firmness of the bunkers. It almost penalized you more if you, like, yeah, you missed in that bunker, you're extra fucked

because everybody knows you can't go in that bunker. Sometimes on the PGA tour, guys are aiming for bunkers. So on par five, it's like trying to get the ball to stop the bunkers. You are not. Again, it is, you're a whole exercise is plotting yourself around these bunkers and that you could just tell how bad of a mistake

it was when you would hit it like Bryson on 17, hitting it right at the pin, right into the bunker, which is like, oh, that he's screwed. Like, you're not getting that up and down and God, that's what's on that point too. Like some of the bunker shots that that Abe answered hit yesterday were insanely good. There's like 60 and 70 hour marker shots. Yeah, he got another planet. One thing I couldn't help but think of while watching the whole weekend was I think it's the dope quote where he said like a great golf course has the line

between Bertie and Bogey is very close. And I was watching like some of those balls come in on part threes and it's like if you ride that bunker and catch that slope it's gonna bend around to the right and come in really close. But if you miss it like a couple feet to the left it's gonna go in that bunker and catch that slope, it's gonna bend around to the right and come in really close. But if you miss it like a couple feet to the left, it's gonna go in that bunker and you're gonna have the hardest bunker shot of your life.

That course epitomizes that line between Birdie and Bogey being very close better than any golf course I think I've ever seen. Yeah, well, you saw a lot of that in Abe's match too. And even kind of throughout the week, just taking on, you know, just what we talk about all the time, like taking on the hazard in order to try to get it close.

You saw it with like Ricky on one of the Part III's late, where he was trying to fire out at the flag and a little short and you're, again, like worst bunker shot, you can imagine. And it, yeah. That was a cool thing to see. You can go back there more. Guys, all week to like see the evolution of the US team.

Like once the lights started going off and they started adjusting and figuring it out, like so impressive in that show, like that show is just how good they are and just how, you know, I mean, it's obvious. They're like the best, literally the best players in the world, the best person in history of the game. But to see them learn on the fly like that and adjust their setup and everything, like, it's not,

they're so predisposed to doing things one way and give them two or three days and they're, boom, they're doing it another way. Yep. Can we talk about the timing of handing over the reins of the Twitter account to you on Friday evening? What happened after that? Well, right after it happened, JT did his little measure, the game-beating, which story about that.

It was like a 3.5 footer, right? I don't, I have no sympathy for not conceiting that putt, but which maybe again, maybe he was like, I don't know, maybe they were joking or something. But shortly after, you know, we had to get a couple hours we're cruising doing a little DJ pie AMA. Yeah, then somebody slides in the DMs basically saying, hey, Kessler,

Karan just punched a fan. And I'm like, ah, like, you know, funny. Like, no, no, no, like, dead serious. This is about to pop off like everywhere. And it had not, decidedly not popped off anywhere. I hadn't seen it anywhere. So I'm like digging in on every source I can possibly think of that's on site.

Love, love on. Like right as we're kind of getting ready to push that live to the people. Sans comes out with his kind of like pre after we sourced it from the multiple other people. Yeah, because well, I was texting you guys. I'm like, there's no way this can be real, right? Like there's like, Reed has done nothing but been a massive distraction all week. There's no way. That would be the kind of like the punchline to the joke.

So yeah, at least it's fanned and you know, at least it's caddy didn't beat up any fans. And like, this might have actually happened. Like, this is very rock solid. And yeah, there's, and then Sansy pops out and was an unfortunate incident, altercation, blah, blah, blah. It's a tough scene. Well, it was funny. I was kind of distracted with the first part

of the party and stuff, and I was like, you know what, let's put the phone away. Like, it's fine. Like, we don't need to follow every second of it, whatever, it's probably fine. And I flipped it on, like, if you want to say, actually, what's going on with the gobbels? Gobbels, gobbels, gobbels, I haven't looked in a lot.

Opened on my phone, 145 messages. It's just complete mayhem. And she sees my face dropping. I was like, reads Cady Punch the Fan. Oh my God. Oh my God. And I just like, how it all unfolded was, I was every the weirdest foam of like,

how does this happen one night I step away from covering? Which there were three, three different eyewitnesses that were saying they threw a punch as well. But many people describe it as swiping the beer out of the hand. Many people describe it as a shirt punch, but... Who can say? Either way, I think that part was left out of his carefully crafted statement.

What did you guys say? Which then that came out and I was like, well, this isn't real, right? It's not like a notes app. Like the four play guys got it, but it's not like funny. Like maybe it's real. But it's like the worst PR you could possibly, he's like making fun of the guy that he assaulted.

And it came out right when he was in the meeting with Mona Commissioner. And it was pretty much, yeah. I remember crying my feet on it. Exactly, yeah. Shout out to team Reed. Like working overtime. Just the, how big is that team now?

Fleet content farm. I thought it was bullshit that Justin didn't caddy for him. That was, like, we, he should have had to forfeit his match. For sure. Which he did play sick on the top. He thought it was.

Yeah, that was impressive. Kevin Kirksy, can we make the Olympics a team event? Yes. The team events are pretty boring. I'd rather see more 72-holstrog play events. One thing I will say, and this is going to maybe be unpopular because we just had maybe the best president's cup of my golf viewing lifetime.

I didn't really watch much of the O3 event or any of that, but that's the most exciting one I can think of. I don't think it's gonna be like that every year for reasons that have been talked about, which is why I still think that it should be a mixed event. And I think having men and women teams would be awesome, especially if you're gonna play at a lot of the American golf courses where the competition's just not gonna be close if you're going to play at a lot of the American golf courses where You know the competition's just not going to be close if you're playing US versus internationals

One other thing I think that would be sick two other things I think that they should look into is Maybe don't have singles last like the team part of And this has been floated on Twitter by a few people so like maybe having That be one of the things on Saturday or you do you do two two different singles sessions or whatever. I like that. It's a different single sessions. It's cool. You know, but but like lesser I don't know less players. So you get your best guys out there and then and then on Sunday you do either four sums or four ball and really you know and really

lean in on that team thing. Yeah. And then also, I think that if both guys on a four ball team make birdies, like both stinks, like that should, that should, that should supersede one of the two guys. Second ball breaks tie. Exactly. Oh, that would be, that's the way to save four, but it would go even slower somehow. But four ball is stinky viewing. I mean, four sums is so much better. The pace is so much better. And they think maybe it just doesn't translate to TV because the TV can't keep up with that many balls in play.

I think that's more what it is. Like, it is way more fun to work in the show. Four balls in the show. That's like the, it's like the purest form of golf. I dig it, but. It's bad on TV. I agree with you there. But it's like,

but thinking about it, the strategy of like, I'll go for it, you lay back, should I put first, should I do that, like that's the top. But thinking about it to work, I like go for it, you lay back, should I put first? Should I do that? Like that's the top. But thinking about it to where I like do if we both make birdie here, like we counteract one of them make them. Yeah, that's a dirty pepper. Yeah, birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie, birdie. Buck Cup does that like a morning for some afternoon singles, morning for some afternoon singles the two days. So that's that would be cool.

That would be cool. Can you go back through that original list that you started the show with DJ just to make sure we covered off on We gave proper time to all the things that happened. Tommy Gainiel is what happened in the middle of the list. God, I didn't even think about that. And then shot 66. Yeah, did he get through? He's the last day. Last day of the last day of the last day. Last day is today. Yeah, he shot 74 yesterday. He's currently T 56. For those that made this that story, uh, he was caught in what was it operation Operation Santa's not even Yeah, Operation Santa's not even

Which little Constitution or yeah, Paul County Tough scene. Yeah, I think we got to I think we got to most of it We didn't really get to to read shovel motion We don't think there was anything like to say about it, right? Do you know what was like, if, you know, big rules of the game guy over here, what was his intent with that? Like, just to be a fucking dickhead, right? I think it's his new fun, he thinks it's fun thing

to go with the shish mushroom, I don't know. Like, they're harassing him for being an excavator, the digger and he's a shovel, and like, he makes a putt, and wants to shut him up, so yeah, I'm the excavator. Like, yeah, that was wild. Can we, the one thing I will say about that, his form on that was fucking spectacular.

Like it was exaggerated and on point, like it was. It was. It was, that part was actually very impressive. God, I still can't believe Fina backstaffed off the grand's and it came back on the green. Well, you're talking with that. He should have he should have for the whole. He should have for the whole. Yeah. It should have recused himself from that batch. I never know what's what's real and what's fake. Actually, it was a big leash was regulating on backstop. That's true. This week, I was never when you think you need to.

It's like a, it's a team get. You shouldn't be able to leave your own ball there for your teammate. And like you would never want to do it for your opponent. Like I would think it would, it should regulate itself basically. Well, it doesn't. Shout out to leash.

Yeah, it's wild. No, I mean, it should be like illegal in match play. You could help your teammate. So I'm saying, but like you, that should be so obviously. But it's against the rules. You can't. Yeah. It's like not technically against the rules. My point that should be against the rule. That's what kills me about the whole like doing it on tour. Like like leash can't like it's so obvious. leash can't regulate. He can't tell Ricky,

you have to mark your ball. Nobody can tell the rules official. And the rules official made him mark the ball. Yeah. You made him mark it. Yeah rules official made it mark the ball. You made a mark in? Yeah. It is part of the rules. It's hard to the rules. Yeah. I didn't know that. If you're across the ball to get marked, they can mark it. Interesting.

I thought, the rule in St. Louison's Struck play is like, if you have indicated that you want to mark your ball, if the other guy plays before you do it, that's a penalty on the guy that played before you marked it. That's where I don't know about the rule that's like, you can request a ball be my, clearly that's the case. As always, if we're getting into the weeds on backstopping,

it probably means it's time to wrap up. It is about that time to wrap up. So, hour and a half, I think we got to most of what we wanted to. It was an awesome, awesome week. It exceeded my expectations. I think we were all really excited for it going into it. I think I'll be wearing our ass. Like, oh, you couldn't have been more negative about this event.

It's like, no, honestly, I don't think that's the case at all. I think that's why I enjoyed it so much was I didn't overhype it. I didn't like it was a pleasant surprise. It's like the summary for me is how I learned to stop caring about the tourist marketing bullshit and just enjoy the presence. Yeah. Sounds like a bug. Tron's got a novel coming out here.

So, all right, thanks everybody for tuning in. That was a really fun week. And we will, let's see, we have, this is pretty much the end of the year actually. We're gonna have a couple highlight episodes coming out around the holidays, but it's time to, we're on to 2020. We're having the decade here, so huge.

It's been a fun year. Shout out to Australia to great hosts. It seemed like, you know, you guys are awesome. All right cheers You know right club be the right club today That's better than most That is better than most Better than most That is better than most. Better than most.