No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 268: Holiday Medley (Highlights from 2019)

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

It's a two hour holiday special! We've compiled some of our favorite clips and moments from our 2019 interviews into one episode. Guests include Steve Elkington, Jason Bohn, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thom...as, Scott Van Pelt, Max Homa, Joel Dahmen, Colin Montgomerie, and many, many more. Thanks to all of our guests from this past year, and to everyone for listening. See you again in 2020.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Holiday Medley highlights show, whatever you want to call it. We're trimming this down to just one episode this year. I know it was two last year. Hope it helps you get through your holiday travels. And if you're starving for more, I hope this motivates you
Starting point is 00:00:51 to go back to a podcast episode you might have skipped or missed early in the year, or maybe even listening back to one you've already heard. And personally for me, I really enjoy putting this together because despite even being there for the interviews and editing a lot of them, I often forget about. Some of the the amazing stories a lot of our guests have told and it's great to be reminded of them and it just it does. Even if it's been nine months or six months, you can listen to a whole episode and forget you've already heard it because a lot of the guests have just told some
Starting point is 00:01:17 amazing stories over the past year and I've really enjoyed hearing them. I know a lot of you guys have as well. I'm going to squeeze in a couple of thank yous before we call the year. First off to you, the listeners. We truly appreciate you spending so much time with us this past year. You guys have a lot of options when it comes to golf podcasts. And it means a lot to us to continue to see this thing grow significantly year over year.
Starting point is 00:01:38 I try to only ask the listeners to do this once a year, but a rating, a review in iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts, helps us out a lot. It takes two seconds to do, and a year, but a rating, a review, an iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts, helps us out a lot, takes two seconds to do, and it is sincerely appreciated. I know people often ask how else they can support us besides listening, I say just tell a friend. The highlight ups are a great start, I think,
Starting point is 00:01:55 this is a very forwardable episode, if you think someone might like the podcast or maybe even isn't even into podcasts, they're a lot easier to do than people get overwhelmed with technology, but they're not that difficult. Forward this episode to them, I think it's pretty representative of what they would hear over the course of the year on a pod and maybe it would inspire them to go back and listen
Starting point is 00:02:14 to some full interviews. There's something in here for everyone. I think we'd like to think I know this podcast is not for everyone, but if you like hearing from Champions Tour Guys, top PGA Tour Guys, lower level PGA tour guys, corn fairy guys, LPGA players, architects or even big Randy, I think that is here in this episode. It's all there. So tell a friend that maybe isn't maybe isn't into it yet.
Starting point is 00:02:38 That is something that can really help us out a lot as well. Thank you again to all the guests who came on this year. Us, I know us as hosts and listeners, very grateful that very busy people are willing to sit down for sometimes hours and tell very personal stories about themselves. I think they get a lot of benefit out of it, but us as listeners, I get and get the most out of it. Thank you again to our official podcast partner,
Starting point is 00:03:00 Callaway Golf. It's been the third year we've worked with these guys and the relationship just keeps on getting better. Either the equipment is getting better as well or we might actually be better at golf. I think the first part of that is a lot easier to believe than the last half. I can say the epic flash and the truvas truly did change my gain this year. I can't wait to see what they got lined up for next year. No, Xander has already put the new driver in play. They're going to have to rip the epic flash out of my hands, but they keep one uping themselves. So they've earned my trust.
Starting point is 00:03:29 I know they've earned a trust of a lot of people that have shopped with them in the last several years. They've had a lot of turnover in the marketing department and lost some guys that we've really liked working with. A lot of people have been asking us if the partnership is going to continue. We're happy to report they will be back and better than ever. Next year we got some great ideas for some video projects. One of my favorite things we did all year last year was the driver video, which it sounds like it's a bout a golf club, but it's actually related to
Starting point is 00:03:55 the driver of the Calloway truck, Kevin Napier. He specializes in tweaking clubs and for professionals on tour, but he also drives the truck from location to location. Randy Tron and DJ did it right along with him and that video was one of my favorite ones. I know it's, some people don't love sponsored content, but if you can't get on board with that, then I don't know what we're doing here. That was awesome work by the guys. So if you do get a chance, check that out on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And if you get a chance, hey, thank the Callaway guys as well. If you run into them or you do it on social media or whatever for supporting our little weird operation, they don't have to do this, but they do, and they help make this show possible. And us being able to live this dream out, it wouldn't be possible without them. So, the best of partner with,
Starting point is 00:04:39 they never try to control our content, never control what we say, and they are constantly coming up with great ideas for us. So, can't wait to see what we're able to put together next year. One final thank you again to herbal active, you are B, A, C, T, I, V. I didn't even know what CBD was before this year. We tried it out for several months,
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Starting point is 00:06:03 Here is a bunch of highlights I picked out from the year. This is probably not a perfect list. I'm sure I'm leaving some off. I'm sure I've left some in here that you're wondering why they're in here. You know, there's some really great episodes that I went back and you know, there's not just a really good digestible
Starting point is 00:06:16 one or two minute clip. It's not necessary, they're just the whole context of the conversation is better than a, it's not really click baity is what I, I guess I'm getting at, but I did my best to accumulate some stories. Some you'll hear from a couple people more than once. You'll hear a couple stories that are over five minutes long and whatnot. But first up, easily my favorite story of the years is episode 233 with Jason Bone on his million
Starting point is 00:06:40 dollars. Oh yeah, that million dollar ace. There you go. Like I still smile. You came out early 1992. And yeah, so I turned pro. Well, you came out, yeah, I think you did. Yeah, I came out of my head, too. Well, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like,
Starting point is 00:06:57 to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like,
Starting point is 00:07:04 to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your amateur career up to like, to that point, what was your Pennsylvania kid. Like, I didn't have anything. I had some scholarship offers in the Northeast to play some college golf, and I wanted to go in the South to play. And so I did a recruiting trip to Alabama, and the University of Alabama was at that time was the only team that would allow walk-ons. And so I was like, I'll take the chance. And the coach said, if you walk on,
Starting point is 00:07:18 I'll give you a partial scholarship. And I was like, great. I didn't care. I just wanted to play golf, and somewhere in the South, because I wanted the weather. So I'd go down to Alabama, I walk like, great. I didn't care. I just wanted to play golf and somewhere in the South because I wanted the weather. So I'd go down Alabama, I walk on and I've read, I've heard my freshman year, and then the beginning of my sophomore year, they have this charity fundraiser, a home one competition
Starting point is 00:07:35 to restore a home that wasn't burned in the Civil War. It was a dollar ball. It had to hit within six foot circle. It was down on the driving range. You could buy a million balls if you wanted. Every time you hit it within the six foot circle, it was done on the driving range, you could buy a million balls if you wanted. Every time you hit it within the six foot circle, it qualified it for the semi-final. I had ten bucks, which I actually borrowed. And I hit one ball in the six foot circle.
Starting point is 00:07:54 And they did this over the course of a weekend every month. And at the end of the month, then they brought all the semi-finals, qualifiers back. And they, you would all hit. So if you had 10 shots, they measured the 12 closest. They were just trying to get the limit it down to 12. Well, the night before is Halloween. I'm 19 years old Tuscaloos, Alabama. And let me tell you it, there's costume party on every street corner. And I think I visited every single one of them. I didn't get into about 4 30 that morning and had had a lot of Halloween punch and I didn't make it to my bad
Starting point is 00:08:26 It was on the living room. I passed out on the living room floor and my roommate came in the next morning It's like hey man, you got that whole one competition, you know the semi-finals and the thing or whatever and I'm like Nobody's gonna hit a home one, you know, I'm like I'm so hungover. I just like just leave me alone And so he's just we wait a few minutes and they kind of kicks me and it's like hey you gotta go and I'm so hungover, I just like just leave me alone. And so we wait a few minutes and then he kind of kicks me and it's like, hey, you gotta go. And I'm like, all right, the only reason why I'm going is to hear you shut up. So I get up, I drive out there to the University golf course.
Starting point is 00:08:53 And there were about 150 qualifying shots to be hit. And they put everybody's name in the bag and they pulled my name third. And I was like, this is great. If I had a shitty shot, I'm going right back to bed. Wait like three feet, nine inches. So now I've got 147 shots. I guess sit there and walk.
Starting point is 00:09:09 On a November 1st and a humid November 1st in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and I'm going out and I'm laying on the range and I'm just kind of fall asleep and my coach comes up and he is, he can tell. I had had a rough one last night. He just starts kicking me and he's like, man, you're disgrace to the team. And you know, like, come on, like, you know, shot at him. I was just, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:28 I was like, Oh, I can't hear it. You know, the bells are ringing in your head. You're just like the sucks. And so I was, I was a third, close to shot in the final. And so there was one other teammate of mine who qualifies. His name was Greg Letson. And the coach was all proud because this guy was a nice groomed young man and he put him in the cart and I stood on the back of the cart and I'm hanging all of my clothes in my shoulder and because we were all this had been done on the driving range and now we're going to the actual hole to hit the shot and he's trying to explain to us that if we win a prize of more than 500 hours that we could lose our eligibility and they had prizes for all 12 of us. So he's like, we gotta make sure that, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:06 this is the NCAA rules, you know, screw it up. And I'm over there, I'm reaching down, leaning into the card, I'm like, man, I've turned pro today! No, no, no, no! You know what, he's just like, you're such an idiot. I mean, he could tell, it's just so disgusting.
Starting point is 00:10:19 I get there, since I was the third closest shot, they wouldn't let us use our own ball. They gave us a top flight tour at the time. And right now it's maybe one 32 in the afternoon. I'm just ready to go to bed. And I tossed the ball on the ground. I only teed up and I hit this little heel cut, nine iron, and it's looking pretty good.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I'm like, oh, this is gonna get pretty close. Two hops, wham. Hoops it, million bucks, throw my club up in the air. I start racing to the green. And I'm high going nuts and my body halfway to the green says, that's it, and it just gives out, I hit the turf, I'm rolling up the hill, I'm trying to get up, I can't get up, I mean, it was off my thirst and dust all over me.
Starting point is 00:10:58 And then it was filmed too, I didn't think. Yeah, it's on, yeah, they had to film it from Trevor. From Trevor. Well, I asked probably on YouTube, yeah, they had to film it for the show. For the show, for, well, I asked probably on YouTube, yeah, you probably see it on YouTube. We'll put that up with the, yeah, we'll have to find out.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Yeah, I'm sure it is. I've seen it in like a million times. Yeah, but, and so, but the, the, all right, to kind of continue the story. So anyhow, I like, at the end, all the other guys had to hit too, because if everybody makes all one, everybody gets a million bucks. So I was kind of pulling for other guys, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:27 the next guy just cold shanks it because I had taken like 15 minutes run up there, give my ball like screaming. I mean, I have to be it was my first home one ever as a boss. And so I'm sitting there. I was I think is excited about the whole one part is I did the million bucks didn't really hit me like at that moment. It was the whole one like, oh, shit, I've been a whole one this is great But my coach is standing there after the whole things over we're in the pro-shopman There's a sheriff there for the witness and all this stuff and he's like, you know if you sign this You know he's trying to explain to me. He's like, okay
Starting point is 00:11:56 You will lose your scholarship you will not ever be able to put I mean he's right the middle of a sentence And I'm like where is, where is the fucking pen? Where is the pen? Exactly. Like, I mean, I'm in the middle of a million dollars, man. It's a million dollars. Where's the pen? I got a sign to sing. And so I sign it and then that, I mean,
Starting point is 00:12:15 oh, yeah. I don't mean to keep dragging this on, but the great part about the story is after the fact of hitting the home one. So it's Tuscaloosa, it's a Sunday night, and it's a dry county until midnight. And so at, so I'm just going nuts. I'm running around, like I'm getting everybody, I'm like, hey, let's go to the tower, whatever you can get out, get me the cash, we're going to go down, we're going to party like it's 1999. And it was actually 92. So we're interested.
Starting point is 00:12:46 But, um, and, uh, so I, I round up 1100 hours from all my bodies and I have this IOU statement. I still have the statement that says, uh, who I own and how much. And, um, I, I, I go down to this bar, it's called the brass monkey. And we start pounding on the door at
Starting point is 00:13:03 1145 at night. And this bartender's just looking at me like, you know, and I start pounding on the door at 11.45 at night and this bartender's just looking at me like, you know, and I guess it was the owner. I don't even know. And I pull out the cash and start waving it. Well, he comes shuffling over the door and he's like, how can we help him? And I said, I had one hell of a day. Here's, here's, I gave him all of the 100 bucks. I said, just tell us when we're done. And there were like seven of us, or 10 of us went in there at the first time. And by 3.30 that morning, they had opened up the rib shack next door. Everybody was in there.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I mean, the place was going nuts. And the best part about the whole thing is they had it on ESPN. Sports center picked it up. And Keith Uberman ran the thing. And so everybody were all in there and they're pool hall, I got two beers, I'm 19. So I had to show a fake idea to get in. And I'm saying in there, and I got two beers in my hands, I was like,
Starting point is 00:13:49 shot up here. There's here. There's everybody gets real quiet in this bar. There had to be 150 people in this bar. It was a tiny little bar. They said they flash up 19 year old. And I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, I'm gonna win a million dollars and go to jail the same day. I'm like, there's not going to be many people that are going to be able to same day. I'm like, there's not gonna be many people that are gonna be able to do that. But it was great. The owner of the bar came out, put his arm around me and said, you don't say anything, I don't say anything,
Starting point is 00:14:11 and I'm paying your cab fare home. I'm like, done deal, baby. Seven a.m. that morning. They kicked us out. It was great. It was so much fun. So then what do you do next? Do you get a check in the mail?
Starting point is 00:14:22 Oh, you get a call, man, you did it. You just hung one. Oh yeah, I was a big young now story. It's pretty weird. The insurance company obviously comes to you. And the way it was initially set up was a 20 year newty. So I would have got 50,000 a year for 20 years. And they came to me and they were like,
Starting point is 00:14:39 all right, we're gonna make you a lump sum buyout offer. And so I was like, all right, let's hear it. It was like $167,000. And I'm just sitting there and I'm like, I know I'm an Alabama. I know I'm 19. But I'm like, I might not be the smartest person in the world, but I know if I just stayed in school
Starting point is 00:14:55 and kept the 50 gram for the next four years, I'm like, I'm more than that. I'm like, you know, I just pay earned income on my taxes. And I was like, you know, we need to be somewhere around that between four and 500,000 for me to think that if I would stick it all away, pay taxes on it and vest it, that'd be worth more. And so I just ended up taking the 50 grand a year for 20 years
Starting point is 00:15:13 and every November first, it would come and it would be in the mailbox and I would pull out the video and I would make my family sit on the couch and I'd pop in the video and I would play that video over and over and there just said No So the last one were you? 2012 I don't even think we watched the video. I think it was such a disappointment But yeah, I got it so I clicked it all oh
Starting point is 00:15:38 50 checks or all 20 checks for 50 grand so it was pretty cool next up one of the great story tellers in the game of golf episode 204 with Steve Elkington on Colin Montgomery I don't know if these stories are true or not, but he tells such a great story We're including this one in here for sure. What what's your favorite Monty story? Oh Monty's a You know, this is I've been trying to wait. It took us everything not to lead with this I couldn't believe you guys hadn't gotten there I'm like 40 you, 40, you're like, get there.
Starting point is 00:16:07 You knew this story. Monty's, you know, do you know that he went to Houston Baptist University? No. I did not. Do you even know that? Monty, like, misunderstood. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:21 Monty's the greatest. He's just, I mean, we love him. But genuinely, yeah. He's the greatest Monty's the greatest. Yeah, he's just I mean we all you love him But genuinely yeah, he's the greatest Flack ever. Monty is the greatest He's just he just gets himself in more trouble than you know But you know when I won the PGA course he went so we okay? So he went since so we have history right he went to Houston Baptist University I even know that was a place or a thing.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And there's a guy named Tim Thielin. You know who he is? He's like the PGA Club Pro Champion. He was on Monty's team. So Monty was like the second best player on the team at the time. And I was at University using, we were winning everything and we were playing it. Monty was working the range at Lockham R golf club.
Starting point is 00:17:05 And I said, what are you doing? What are you doing over here? Fat tits? What are you doing here? And he said, oh, he says, I'm going back to England next week. I'm going to apply for a job at IMG. I said, well, why the fuck would you do that? That's the worst idea I've ever heard.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Well, you know, I can't really play. I'm not very good. And I said, well, let me tell you something, Monty, you're a fucking really good. Oh, really? You think I'm that good? I said, I think it's what I think you should do. Mate, you should go back to England
Starting point is 00:17:35 and you should try for the tourist school. And then if you don't get in that, then go work for I'm G. How's that for a fucking idea, Moti? Really, you think I could do that? I said, yeah, I think you could. So he does, and you know, seven, whatever he's one later, one all that. So when I beat him at the PGA in 95, as you could imagine, the next day for me was, you know, the next week was a, you know, a lot of going on, right? But I, and this is well known that I stopped everything and wrote a letter to Monty and said that,
Starting point is 00:18:12 you know, I congratulated him on how good he played at the PGA because basically our stats were the same. And I, I beat him by one putt to win him, I imagine. I know he wanted as much as I wanted him on. I just wanted him to know that I was thinking about him on that day, this day, with I was winning and it could have easily been him. So I wrote that to him. So that we got to put that in the file. Okay. So then we went over to play the World Match Play and he, we both get through two or three rounds.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Now I'm going to play Monti in the semis, right? And the press over there. Where was this? It's a went worth. Yeah. It's the biggest stuffiest club. Talk about bunch of fucking racist. Those English people over there. They don't even let you in. They wouldn't get in with that facial hair lad. That facial hair's got to go. You can't be in here like that. They wouldn't even let you in the clubhouse with trainers on. What the fuck's a trainer? Are you talking about tennis shoes?
Starting point is 00:19:07 Oh, you can't come in here with those. Okay, whatever. So we're gonna play the semi-final match and it's a 36 hole match and the press is, it's a rematch of Wilkinson vs. Monty of the PGA, blah, blah, blah, blah, bullshit blah bullshit all this bullshit so it's 36 holes So one day so we go out and I told my wife I said look this fat son of a bitch is gonna be out for me today I'm gonna have to play my ass off to beat him and I think I shot about seven under in the morning to be one up on this guy
Starting point is 00:19:41 I mean this guy can play he hits it so straight. I mean, it's hard to beat. So we go into this big clubhouse and we're the players only. And they've got this huge buffet down the middle of the club. And Bonny's over there, this huge table looking out over the gardens and all the observatory. And he's got about four or five royal Royal palace people there and The captain from here and the captain from the field was there Is it drossed you in here to you Anyway, so out in the middle out in the middle of the of the
Starting point is 00:20:23 Buffet is this custard castle. The clubhouse at, at, at, wait, worth, is a castle. It's a fucking castle. It's got all those little squares at the top, you know? And it's custard, it's fucking magnificent. It's, it's unreal. So anyway, I'm sitting over there having like a cheese sandwich because I can't, I can't eat when I'm playing.
Starting point is 00:20:47 I can't eat much. Can you? I don't know. Don't answer that. You've never played a 36-hole match with the rock. You're right. That's got the rock people here. So anyway, so we're going to go back out in like 30 minutes.
Starting point is 00:21:00 So Monti gets up, he goes over to the table. He's already had lunch, by the way. Grab the dinner plate, goes over to this custard castle with his big fork, and he fucking takes out the whole ladies locker room. He takes out the pro shop, the fucking upper deck on the back observatory and puts it all on the display. I couldn't fucking, I couldn't believe that he's just done.
Starting point is 00:21:24 I said, he's going to feed the whole table. He's going to take 12 spoons over there and put this out in the middle. They just destroyed it. Nope. Nope. He sat at the end of the table and he fucking ate it all. I turned to my wife and I said, honey, there's not a man alive that can eat that much custard that can beat me. That's how the afternoon goes. I rolled him like five and four. He couldn't go when you have to. Next up Jordan's beef episode 206 is just before the master's talking about some of the
Starting point is 00:21:56 things he's been dealing with in his swing, his swing feels and how he's addressing them. The feeling to me is that it's still not where it needs to be. There's still something slightly off. And we've finally got on top of it recently. We've finally figured it out. And now it's just a matter of repetitions. And it's I started putting extremely well. I've putted better this year. And even at the players, I think I love the field. And it feels the putting feels back to where putting and chipping where it needs to be and it's just kind of now getting into that full swing and it's all it's funny how similar it's all related. Like some for me I've never had to work on something mechanical in my putting and had it be the
Starting point is 00:22:40 same problem in the full swing. That's the eye alignment you were talking about. Well, yeah, it's more of That started to cause me to get behind and in other words kind of Body get out early and with putter the the hands get out and ahead early and therefore the club in turn becomes open and behind you and It's not a fun way to play the game right Right. You play scared pretty much the whole time. Well, you play, yeah. And yeah, exactly. Because at loom.
Starting point is 00:23:09 Anytime there's any kind of trouble right, like my putts would miss right, even though I'm trying to hit them left, there's just nothing until you start to kind of just retrain exactly what it is. And I would say it was half-camera and half-me, just through trial and error to get it back. And it feels good.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Like I'm excited. I mean, for a while there, it's like when things are off and it takes over, you're sleeping, like you're just, you're like, when you can't figure it out, it's just, I mean, when would you say it started? You know, it was in late 2017, I started not really, put the ball really great in that kind of off season fall and then in 18 I just had a really rough start to the season putting and it started to get better towards the end of the year
Starting point is 00:23:54 I started to figure out a little bit and then kind of the ball striking out a little bit off in the middle of the season So I normally have it's weird. So I normally have one of three swing fields I have my, what I call my early 2017 feel or 2017, I played with a very similar swing field the entire year. I needed to work on the same thing the whole year and I couldn't do, I couldn't do it too much. But it was all, it was the best, it was the best I'd ever hit the golf ball. You were second on Struxgate and T-Degrees. Yeah, it was the best, yeah, it was the best I was the best I've ever hit the golf ball. You were second on Strokes game T-degree. Yeah, it was the best Yeah, it was the best I ever hit it my scoring average was lower than
Starting point is 00:24:29 2015 and in 2017 I was technically a better player in 2017 than 15 although everyone's on results And so that's that's what you look at but if Certain guys or I time my better rounds at different places my results are technically better there The ideas to have the lowest scoring average you can possibly have. You wanna win the scoring title and results come from that. I have my swing field.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I had at Tigers event in 2014. I played really well. The Masters in 14, a lot of 2014, I played from a swing field. And then I have my one that I had in 2015. So I have these like three swing fields. And what are the swing fields, sorry. One of them is like, okay, I've gotten really turned
Starting point is 00:25:10 inside and almost pointed too far to the right at the top. So I feel this kind of like sat back, flat laid off backswing. And from there, it just feels nice pocketed. That was where I played 2014 a lot from. 2015, I'd kind of overdone that a little, so I try and work this rolled open face early, get a nice real depth in my back swing, and then I need to kind of feel like I'm coming over
Starting point is 00:25:35 the top of it from there. 2017, I played from this real drag my left arm as low across my body as I can, get that left arm nice and flat and hinge that wrist angle to try and get it back over my head a little bit. My tendency from when I was 12 years old was to take the club out and up and lay it off a little bit and then drop it from the inside and hit these big sling and draws. And when I started working with Cameron it was to try and make that more
Starting point is 00:26:04 consistent closer to one plane. Just get it back and through, um, similarly. Uh, but my tendency is always to take it and not quite complete the backswing. And therefore, when I don't complete the backswing, uh, the lower body starts a little too quick and my miss is a little spinny, um, right ball, which if you have one miss and it's just short right, you literally get away with that almost everywhere, except for 12-a Augusta, which I didn't one year because that was my miss. I didn't want to say. And that's just, you know, that I was hitting the ball poorly that week, and every other hole you, you know, you run into, you're fine.
Starting point is 00:26:38 And that's it. And I've played golf that way for a long time. Well, that started to bug me that that was my miss. Well, how do I compensate? How do I make sure that that miss isn't there? And it would only really come up under pressure because I would get a little too quick and I wouldn't have the patience to complete my back swing. Well, now none of those swing fields worked.
Starting point is 00:26:57 And I was trying all three of them different times through the end of, through the middle to end of last season. And none of them were really feeling good through and I wasn't getting consistent ball flights. And so I just had to try and think like where exactly is it getting off. And I start using video more than I ever have to try and dissect it. And the problem is I'm not a very good instructor. Like I could be a good caddy. I'd be a good caddy,
Starting point is 00:27:25 I'd be a really bad swing coach. You can't notice yourself. Because I'm looking at it from one viewpoint behind, I'm not looking at it from a face-on view to see that I'm actually almost like stack until, like stacked and I'm moving forward. And that's what's causing it to look a certain way from behind instead.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I'm trying to make it look a certain way from behind. Instead, I'm trying to make it look Adam Scott from behind. And just, I'm like, but when I make it look Adam Scott from behind, I'm even more stuck, which makes sense. If you're stacked and you try and tip it even more. So it's been this kind of, this retraining over the last, I would say month, January was rough hitting the ball.
Starting point is 00:28:04 And then from then, it's been a little better each time. And, uh, and with the putting coming around to and now really figuring out a nice, I mean, you saw on the range today, I was working with Cameron. We're just hitting, you know, same ball flight, same ball flight plays many of those draws as you can draw, draw, draw, draw. Next up from episode 201. This is first of two from Kira Deck, Abby Bonrat, our players championship recap. Let's think that the good golf swing like Adam Scott.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Yeah, okay. I was dreaming like, I couldn't have the golf swing like Adam Scott. If I practiced there, I got to swing like him. I can't just practice three hours per day. But the swing like me, I have to practice six hour per day. Because I, I mean, I need more, hitting more to let the memories, to remember it was a movement of the bodies, compare with Scott, which is like, very nice.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And, you know, but look, other way, if I'm like him, I'm not like golf, he's, you know, he looks good, smart, I mean, somewhere in the room, maybe, I mean, that's why he's just walking the golf course. He looks too good for the golf course. I think it's only spot that, I mean, you're, I mean, short and big fat guy can play. Yeah. So Lee spot.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I bet you never seen like the guy like me who run around in soccer, basketball, feel, yeah, for sure. How are you going to run? 90 minutes. Do you imagine? Yeah. There's only a spot that I can play. And playing with Scotty, sometimes it looks funny to me. It's like, what the hell are you doing in this?
Starting point is 00:29:35 I know, it's the best. It should be on the catwalk or somewhere. Golf needs more swings. Yeah, like yours. I really, I truly believe that. What was it like at the Olympics then for you? I mean... Oh. Man, when you walk into the village, that, all the athletes. Yeah. Well, you have seen all the boxer,
Starting point is 00:29:53 all the like gymnastic or running guys. Let's just go run around. And just, you know, look at them like, what are you doing? Why do you have to run? Why do you have to work out? Man, just sleep. We got it five for what? We just we got a 10 and playing 12. Yeah. But and then they eat just like cat eating. Yeah. Just you know three bites and then done. No, we just eat what you want. Ice cream, sweet, whatever it is. They never enjoy life. I would kill you that. I love it. I mean, I don't know how long I'm going to leave though. I just want to enjoy every bite that I've taken.
Starting point is 00:30:31 And for good measure, one more from Kierdeck. Well, I want to have a kid. Yeah. But it's not coming yet. I've been dead with my wife for 11 years. I've been married for three years, it's not happening yet. I'm working on it, I'm keep petting, I'm on the making process, but it's not that easy,
Starting point is 00:30:52 it's not sharp enough, like I'm playing. You're deeper in the process, yeah. Sometimes my iron is like solid, but something that doesn't that solid, so I have to work on it. Maybe a shaft is not strong enough You have to build build a new shop maybe listen that that could you know, we got to experiment with the equipment a little bit Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to working on it
Starting point is 00:31:14 But I got it very soon. I'll let you guy know. I could good the next clip is from episode 248 with Justin Thomas his annual visit I think this was our best one we'd ever done. Here is a story on Tiger Woods' son. Charlie, his little boy, he's amazing. He's, Apple definitely doesn't far fall from the tree there. I mean, he's identical to Tiger, and just such a little smart ally, and so then, Erica and the kids and his mom, Rob, they're all sitting in the corner of the clubhouse.
Starting point is 00:31:42 His Tiger was kind of on, you know, 15 you know 15 16 17 and I just went over to say Hey to them and and what's up to Charlie and And I just kind of saw myself was like what's up dude and he just looks at me goes, oh, hey look. It's the guy who can't put Thanks, man, that's stuck with you. I appreciate that Next clip is from episode 258 with Colin Montgomery talking about his relationship with crowds, the media, and everything else in his evolution of how he's treated the United States. Oh, yes. I mean, aren't you two questions we're well out of that time period now?
Starting point is 00:32:17 I mean, the support I'm getting in America now is fantastic. So thank you to all the fans and supporters, spectators, that era is gone, but I didn't help myself. I'll have to be honest with you and I didn't, I did not help myself in what way? Well, it was 1997, it started really. I was leading congressional in the US Open, I'd started well and we're still leading or tied to the lead playing the... I'll never forget it. Playing still leading or tied to the lead playing the, I'll never forget it, playing the 27th Hall of the event, which was the 9th Hall on the 2nd day, there was a rain delay and you know what happens in rain delays, the crowd
Starting point is 00:32:55 tend to go to the bars. Oh yeah. You know, because one is dry and two is wet, you know what I mean. And so I came out after that and somebody said something and I answered back and it's a thing you don't do and I did do and that I regret. I gave an inch and it was and a mile was taken, you know, really. And it's anything in life. When you make a mistake, you know, it's a sort of two second mistake, but it takes a few years to actually get over that, you know. And I'm glad we're over it now, and it's a lovely place to play. I mean, I've always,
Starting point is 00:33:29 I've always had a huge respect for America, the whole scene of America, the whole might of America, I've always had a massive love affair for it in many ways, and it was a shame that I made a mistake by answering back, and somebody heckled and answered back. And then of course it was on TV and of course it got worse. And that was that. But it was unfortunate and I blame myself. But at the same time, it turns your second question again. It's changed dramatically.
Starting point is 00:33:58 And it's a complete reversal. And I'm really, really enjoying myself. Has that changed because of, would you say that people have evolved or have you handled it differently, which has caused you to come out of it? Well, I think it's a few things. I think, yes, people have evolved, people have matured, we all have, you know, I have personally as well, I'm giving back the crowd, I'm noticing that they're giving back. And also, I think the Champions
Starting point is 00:34:25 Tour is a slightly less stressful place to play. Sure. Anyway, so I think there's three things there that the Champions Tour is the tour to play on. They all say that and I can having witnessed it and having me through it now. I can only say, you know, there's a great comradeship between the players before and after, after the round, more so than the PJ Tour. But then it's amazing when the gun goes Friday morning
Starting point is 00:34:50 or Thursday morning, if it's a four round, it's amazing, it's competitive. Oh, right, God, it's competitive. Which is what it's supposed to be, you know? Next up, episode 261, the episode that undoubtedly helped me with my personal game the most this year. Brendan Todd talking about the Yips, it was hard to pick a certain part of this interview because the whole thing is so good, but I especially enjoyed this part and I highly
Starting point is 00:35:15 suggest going back to this one. Episode 261, Brendan Todd. Yeah, a Yip is when you can do something automatically, a movement automatically that you've done, probably thousands, 10,000 of times, which is the Goswink for me, or the Pudding Stroke for any pro, Pudding, Chipping, Goswink. We've all done it 10 plus thousands of times.
Starting point is 00:35:37 And in a way, it's really automatic. You go up and down the range, it appears to your event, and everybody hits it good, they put it good, they chip it good. But you'll see guys in baseball, basketball, free throws, probably archery, field goal kickers. Golfers, they get what's described as the Yips, where they're performing in automatic motion that they've done tens of thousands of times. And when it comes time to do it in competition, they have a performance anxiety or a mental block that causes their motor
Starting point is 00:36:06 pattern to stop working the same way and kind of spas out. And so what was your yip in particular? The ball's going way right. Is it just at impact you had trouble closing the club face, you're coming over the top of the, I don't understand the call for the ball. Right, so for me, the thing that was so frustrating about it is that we pro golfers work on our routines and we get our routines dotted to be the same every time. That's what a sports psychologist would tell you is going to be the answer to hitting
Starting point is 00:36:39 the ball consistently well. I've had the same routine at this time for six or seven years and now I've had it for probably ten years. So while all of a sudden that routine stopped working for me, well, when I would get over the ball and I would take my last look at the target and I would take my last waggle, by the time I start pulling the club back, I've got so much pressure in my hands and my arms and my brain is literally just like, oh my gosh, don't hit it right. And for me, all that extra attention to my hands and arms led to a faster transition at the top and then a little bit of a steeper downswing and just no time to square the
Starting point is 00:37:19 face up as you set it impact. And the thing is, like I said, we hit 70 some shots around or 60 some shots around and it didn't happen every time, but it would happen for some reason a few times around, just enough to shoot 74 instead of 70. Enough to throw fear in you. I imagine not be able to play with confidence because the way you guys aim shots and the way you guys approach shots, you can't stand over ball and fear it going some direction. It's like, no, I've got to hit it at this target. And so I imagine you have played at least,
Starting point is 00:37:49 to the point where you've got to be extremely successful and competitive, that the way you're aiming is very different than when things started to go wrong. Yeah, so the difficult part for me was, it did change the way I aimed. I'm all of a sudden aiming to more general targets. I'm aiming just in the middle of greens, in the middle of fairways, in the middle of the fairways.
Starting point is 00:38:06 It was more difficult to create that visual that you went over the ball. This ball is going to start right center and turn left center and get 10 feet right of the flag. As it starts in the edge of the left, you are often just fading into the middle of the fairway. Like you said, professional golfers are on. Their aim is very specific. The picture in their head is very clear and You know, we are able to get You know hit it very close to the hole next up episode 263
Starting point is 00:38:32 This is Harry Higgs one of the upcoming players on the PGA tour telling a pretty damn funny story from his days on the Latino AmeriCator days on the Latino America tour. Cordable Argentina, they have one in 10, are 10's like a 150 yard par three downhale, and one's like a 390 yard par four going the other way. So everybody tees off from there. And the sponsors from the event bring in like three or four or five girls, and they all have like shorter golf skirts
Starting point is 00:39:01 on with, they are like the sponsored t-shirt and it's to my knowledge at least everybody there all the sponsors wanted to kind of have like the three or four five of the best-looking women so it was a competition and they all are around one in ten and then on eighteen to this usually the traditional Sunday flag is like back right. So one in ten are really hard tee shots. These girls don't really know anything about golf anyway, but they're just beautiful women all around.
Starting point is 00:39:32 There's like 60 of them just staring at you. I don't really know what's going on, but they're just staring at you. Almost always hold umbrellas and looking all nice. One year, the first year I'm there, I finish up, and I'm in like 15th or so, and this is going to be my best finish of the year so far, and it's like 5th or 6th event. And I hit it like 12 feet short and left of this back right hole, and this grandstands are right, like literally, three to four paces from the flag. Like you could easily just kick, just whoop the grant.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Like you could just land it in the back fringe and just hit somebody, shin, and it just comes back. It was so aggressive. It was so aggressive I was looking at my putt thinking like I can't even get behind the hold. I kind of want to squat down around these people. Like so I kind of walk back, I do, I wind up walking back behind the hold,
Starting point is 00:40:24 I get my read and I come back on the other side and I like, you back, I do, I wind up walking back by the hole, I get my read, I come back on the other side and I like, you know, get squat down and I'm looking through. And the girls are in the front row. And sure enough, you look ball-hole and some of these girls were not sitting very lady-like. And it's just like, how am I going to make this punk? Like, what? How do you focus on your read? Like this is ridiculous. And sure enough, I left a 12 footer short. Next up is Lizette Salas. This is from episode 225, our KPMG Women's PGA Championship recap and event. We've really
Starting point is 00:41:01 enjoyed going to the last couple of years. Lizette is Mexican and she grew up playing golf, with not a ton of support outside of her family. She heard things such as, Mexicans don't play golf and she speaks on that. It was a very fun interview. This was probably the most serious part of it, but I really enjoyed her perspective on her background and how she was able to be successful in golf.
Starting point is 00:41:23 I just, obviously I've had a lot of support and I think everyone for that. But you know, you come across people that don't really understand the opportunities that golf could give a female athlete or really just don't think of outside their box and set expectations based on race or ethnicity. And I've always been curious as to why. You know, if someone has the talent and the ability to do it, why say things that would put them down. And so I mean, I've even heard it from family members. Just told like as a kid you
Starting point is 00:42:08 would hear that and it's very very hurtful. And but I've been lucky enough to have parents that just say you know what don't even listen to them like you're you're good enough and you could do this. And I mean if it wasn't for my parents seriously, I would not be here today. And even my sister, yeah, my sister I'm gonna call her out. She would refuse to come watch me. I mean, she had three kids, so I know it was tough, but she goes, she's like, I'll just, I'll watch you when you turn pro.
Starting point is 00:42:40 So every like, A&A, we'll show tournament. I'm like, you remember, you're coming out. You gotta watch me, remember? She's like, I&A, we'll show tournament. I'm like, you remember you're coming out. You got to watch me remember. She's like, I know, I know. But back on this year's note, yeah, it was super hurtful. And I just, that was kind of my motivation to just prove everyone wrong. And I've always just had that little chip on my shoulder.
Starting point is 00:43:00 And I think it's worked out in my favor. And I just want to kind of pave the way for younger generation and to, you know, I don't want them to have to deal with that. Up next episode 197, this was probably the surprise interview of the year. For me, this is Morgan Hoffman. We're going to play another one of his clips later. But this was his story about flying his own plane, how he takes life in his own hands with his plane
Starting point is 00:43:24 and flies it anywhere he wants, as well as the scariest moment he's had in the sky. Oh yeah, definitely. That's the most fun. My fiance now and I, we are notorious for just having a day off and sitting around and being like, oh, you want to go down to Key West, ride some scooters, have some key line pie, and then for dinner and come back. Like, it's, no, it's so sick. And then, how long does that take to get down there?
Starting point is 00:43:51 Oh, 45 minutes. Oh my God, that's awesome. But it's like a four and a half hour drive, so it's pretty incredible. And then, one of my tournaments, it's even more fun. Like, the last time I was in Greensboro for the wind them, we went over to Nashville for dinner one night and then like it's just cool to have that freedom once again.
Starting point is 00:44:16 What's the scariest moment you've had in any at any point, taking off landing or in the air? The scariest was probably when I was still only a private pilot so a visual flight role is not instrument and I was flying at night and dropping a buddy back off in Orlando and Orlando's class braver space and you need to follow the AirTrav controller's instructions to a tee and know their lingo and So I was kind of new to it and I dropped them off It's like nine at night and I knew that there was a thunderstorm
Starting point is 00:44:55 Kind of near the airport and I knew that the ceiling which is the lowest part of the cloud was 3,000 feet I didn't want to go above that because I only had a short flight home so They were like, all right, my tail number was 431-6 Fox start at the time and they're like clear at the 3500 and on 250 heading whatever. And I was like, hey, I'd really like to just say at 3000 if possible. They were like, no, the traffic volume's too high. You're clear to 3500. So I got whatever. So I went right to the hit 3000 as expected, hit the ceiling in the clouds, went into a thunderstorm and my head hit the ceiling, my headphones came off. It was pitch
Starting point is 00:45:38 black, there was a lightning around. And I get my headphones back on and the planes all over the place and all I hear is them calling my town number and say turn left immediately there's a 737 headed directly at you and I'm like in the clouds and it's night so you can't see anything outside and you're just looking at your instruments which I wasn't allowed to be doing at that point. And they're like, I turned left to this heading and I couldn't get the plane to turn left because the wind was too strong.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Holy shit. Yeah, so I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna just descend and get down to like 2000 and you guys can figure it out. And I got down and I could see again and they were like talking to me like I was a child, like, hey buddy, are you okay up there? Is everything alright?
Starting point is 00:46:34 And you know, I was kind of comforting at the time because they, you never hear them break code or professionalism and you know, it was nice to just hear that like comforting kind of voice like that they were checking in on me and ever since then like that was probably within my first hundred hours of flying and now I'm almost at a thousand and that's kind of what stemmed my crazy planning techniques. Up next episode 199's's is for Inchesco Molinari, the day after he won at Bay Hill,
Starting point is 00:47:08 telling the story of how they got the photo of he and Tommy Fleetwood, or the video, I guess, of he and Tommy Fleetwood with the writer cup, the night of the celebration. Yeah, it was pretty much middle of the party, like, two, 13 in the morning, one of the European tour media guys, which does the idea. And we're like, yeah, sure. But, you know, I think we, you was a bit unfair because we were in
Starting point is 00:47:31 conditions, we weren't really able to say no to do anything. So yeah, we, we, so yeah, we, I think it was just the three of us that knew about it, maybe some of the agents heard the idea. So then we decided to go up to the rooms and I didn't want to go to my room, Tommy didn't want to go to his room, so we ended up in the European tour media guy room. Well, tell us what Tommy did. Also, we know the story, I'm going to make you tell it. So we get there and obviously the script was, you know, you're getting bad and you say this and you say that, right? So tell me, get there and get like fully native and get to bed.
Starting point is 00:48:16 And I told him, don't, I'm not going to get it. I'm sorry, but there needs to be at least some clothing. So yeah, he put the minimum clothing possible arm and We got him bad. So the media guy had to sleep in that bed after Tommy guy naked in it Next up is actually big Randy. This is from our UK British Open recap episode 232 This is the only one the clips in here that is of one of us talking, but it's his putting Mr. McAroy laying him to rest after not winning a major this year, and he explains a bit a little bit. But here's Big Randy episode 232.
Starting point is 00:48:55 So unfortunately, tough transition. Lori, he's dead. He has died. He has not won a major now in five years. He came home to live out his last days. He's spent them peacefully among friends. There will be a celebration of life. Is there a visitation? No. Well, it's family only. In lieu of flowers, we ask that you all subscribe to Golf Pass. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha coming back. Oh my God. Well, you please explain the beginning of this bit. Yeah. Well, I just said we're getting a year. I kind of gave Rory an ultimatum where I was just getting tired of, you know, this is Rory's week. Well, he went it and was like, listen, if you don't want to major this year, he's these dead to me. He's gone. And here we are. He's dead. So who's next up?
Starting point is 00:50:06 Well, doctors have just informed me. Dustin. Dustin Johnson has 12 months to live. Oh my god. Eight months. Oh yeah, 12 months. That's a big difference. If he does not win a major by the end of 2020,
Starting point is 00:50:21 it will, in fact, be fatal. Next up is episode 246 with Mel Reed on her decision to come out. My fan base has become different. For sure, I mean, listen, I feel like people have just completely took on the sexuality side of it, which was not, I didn't expect it to get the attention that it did. But like I've said, you know, I feel like I can only speak on behalf of kind of the LP J-Gales, but a lot of these girls give back in so many different ways, which is incredible, to charities and their own organisations, whereas for me, because I've been in it,
Starting point is 00:50:53 and I've seen the dark side of our community, of the LGBTQ community, like I see the struggles that a lot of people deal with, and some of them have been my best friends. So for me, it was just important to kind of be brave enough to say like, look, I'm not. People interpret it. So sometimes, interpreters is certain people. And it was just important for me to kind of give back
Starting point is 00:51:16 in that way and just be proud of who I am. And that was kind of the big thing for me was just to be brave enough to be normal about. I hate the word normal but for other people to be educated and be like look there's nothing. Has it been welcoming feeling? Yeah for sure. I got some really cool messages from the girls. Which actually meant a lot to me. I was kind of a little bit nervous about how some of the girls would react. Because obviously we do have
Starting point is 00:51:46 gay girls out here, but some of them are going to be very private about it, which I 100% respect, and 100% understand as well. But I had a lot of girls I didn't expect reach out to me and give me support, which I thought was really, really cool to be honest. Next episode, 260, Billy Andrade, talking about his relationship with Larry David and staying at his house in LA. Yeah, so Larry and I have friends through the Fairleys. They all live on Martha's Vineyard in the summer. And I've been over there, played golf with them over there and Larry. So Larry and I have been friends for a long, long time. And so I just called him today. I'm coming out, love to get together, maybe play around a golf like last Wednesday. I wasn't in the program, so maybe we can play on Wednesday and the fires hit and he was not gonna be in town
Starting point is 00:52:28 I was flying in a Monday to have dinner Monday night I just was flying actually flying in and my phone blew up and Larry to email me and said that because of the fires there He's home and we can do dinner So I just left the you know, I got my courtesy car and drove up the Santa Monocan dinner with them and ended up going to his house first and we watched the end of the Nick game and then went out and had sushi. And so I had to play with it. So we took a photo, I said, let me take a photo and we took a photo and I said, I saw my life coach, my sports psychologist, you know, all these young kids got all, they have their team.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Sure. So I figured, you know, who better than to be my life coach today at 55 years old than Larry? So I walk in the door and the first thing he says is, you flew with shorts on? And I'm like, yeah, he goes, really? Is that weird? Is it weird? He goes, you didn't see the curb I did on that? And I guess there's a curb enthusiast. He gets on an airplane and the guy sitting next to him's got hairy legs and it really spooked him out
Starting point is 00:53:29 So I never thought of that I have hairy legs and I fly in shorts all the time Yeah, me too, and I don't really have hairy legs, but I didn't think it was that big deal, but Larry Thought it was so give me a sense Larry David on camera versus off camera. No, no, no difference No, okay, I was hoping, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to LA open one year and he just got divorced so he was staying in the condo on Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica where all the famous people go after they get divorced. So I walked in one day and he was a lot of quote air quotes being thrown around and saying that. And I walked in one day and he was getting a massage from this woman and he was, he was, she was hurting him and he was just yelling and screaming the whole time. And it was just hilarious. And then we went, I took Bill Koss and I went to dinner with him.
Starting point is 00:54:32 This is a very, very funny story. So I just emailed him and said, hey, I'm coming in for the LA Open after Pebble Beach, you know, you're going to eat room at the end. And he says, yeah, you can stay, but you have to leave on Thursday because I got other people coming in. So I get there Sunday, he's got a girlfriend that came over and they're watching the Grammys and I went to bed. I was tired. I just flew in from Pebble. Now it's Wednesday and we're going to dinner. And Gretzkis with Dustin Johnson in the 16-year-old Polina. That's when they met that night, and they ended up hooking up and getting together, right? So that was the first time they met.
Starting point is 00:55:17 How about that? They were next door at the next table over. But anyway, so we're walking in, and it's the first round, it's Thursday, and I got to check out, and I got to get a hotel room because Larry's got people coming in and he had his buddy Nick Stevens with him who's he's an agent and did some stuff with sign the sign fell stuff. So as we're walking in I've asked Larry three times like you know when do I need to leave? You know check out like I'm playing late. Do I check out in the morning or can I come back after one of these other folks coming in. And he said, no, you're good.
Starting point is 00:55:50 I said, okay, you know, I asked him again. He said, no, you're good. You're good. So I don't know what that means. So we're walking into his restaurant. I say to Nick, I go, Nick, what's the deal? I've asked him three times. He says he's got people coming in.
Starting point is 00:56:03 I don't know when I'm need leave and he says I'm good. He goes, he said you're good. He goes, let me and you made you made the cut. I mean, what do you mean I made the cut? He goes, see, it's a Jewish thing. No Jew would commit to someone for a whole week if they don't really know him that well. Okay, so you commit for half a week and then if I'm a pain in the ass, and he can just say, well, I got people
Starting point is 00:56:28 coming in, he had nobody coming in. Yeah, that's brilliant. So it's absolutely brilliant. So if you have a summer place in Rhode Island, and if we don't really know the folks coming in, say, hey, well, we can only go three or four days. And then if there can we come up for a few days in the summer? Sure, yeah, no problem.
Starting point is 00:56:49 No problem. But it was really funny. So I made the cut so I was there the whole week. So I didn't get kicked out. Next clip is from episode 255 with Brad Faxon. This was the one that I had the hardest time selecting a highlight from, because it's just so good in large 8 to 10 minutes snippets. I included one of the shorter clips here.
Starting point is 00:57:08 I could have included an 8 or 10 minute story, but we're going to keep it short here. I highly suggest listening to this episode. It's one of my favorites of the year, Brad Fax and 255. So if you're an instructor, I don't want to say a typical instructor, but if you're an instructor that's used to having a student come to you and putting everything on video and then breaking down on the true mechanics of what's happened in that stroke, that stroke gets affected by a player's thoughts before they go there. And if there's doubt, if there's tenetiveness, if there's bad memories, if there's nerves
Starting point is 00:57:43 that come kicking in, whatever you're seeing in the stroke, you can't measure those two things. And when you look at a player's statistics over a course of a year, what's never measured is, and by the way, the shot link stuff's changing the game for how players practice, what part of the game they have to practice. But you know, I tell all my students, I hate to say students because I feel like I'm not like a teacher instructor really. But it's, I feel like I'm more of a friend. I don't know. But it's, is there such a status strokes game attitude? And you know, it's an immeasurable stat. And almost all players put their par-puts better than they put their birdie-puts.
Starting point is 00:58:29 That's a fact, yeah. It's a fact, but why? Mental. I mean, it's really mental. It's so that they can't be technical, can it? No. You know, if you have 10 footers for par versus birdie and you make, you know, say you make 45% of those things if they're for par and 30% if they're for birdie, and you make, you know, say you make 45% of those things if they're
Starting point is 00:58:45 for par and 30% if they're for birdie. How can that be technique? Next up is Tom Doak from episode 243. This was live from our event at the summit at Common Ground. I hope to see a lot of people out at our events this coming year. Another one, another clip that was hard to just, I guess another episode that was hard to select one highlight clip from because he speaks so eloquently in a more long form version.
Starting point is 00:59:14 But here he is talking about misses on professional golfers and how that compares to recreational golfers. I found this really interesting. You know, some like pro golfers think that the penalties should be proportionate to the miss And if you're really really good that makes all the sense in the world but if we did that then Most of the people sitting in this tent right now would give up Because we all miss shots all the time much worse than Brooks Keppga and Roy McEl all miss shots all the time, much worse than Brooks Keppga and Rory McElroy
Starting point is 00:59:46 miss shots. So you can't do that. I mean, if you made every yard offline worse, most people would just give up the game and are hurt. You kind of have to do it the other way around. You have to make it where you can miss by a lot, and it doesn't necessarily cost you too much, but it's really hard to get close and make Bert, but it's not really hard to move the ball forward
Starting point is 01:00:13 and make par or bogey and get on to the next hole. Scott Van Pelt is up next. This is from our UK British Open Preview episode 230. This story came highly recommended by people on Twitter for it to be included in this episode about someone he ran into somewhere in some town before a the final round of a playing of the open championship. I'll let him tell the story episode 230. I was out.
Starting point is 01:00:38 You asked, do you go out? Yes, I was out. I saw a player, an American player. And he was absolutely, he was like a zombie, like a functioning zombie. That's how, he was completely, completely blotto drunk, took a wrong step off the step, and I mean off the curb, and fell down in the street in front of me, but wasn't injured, was just laughing. Like, look at me, I'm drunk, blah, blah, blah. I immediately find out who is this person paired against tomorrow so that I can bet
Starting point is 01:01:13 as much money as I can against this person. I could see where this is going from a mile away. Of course you can, so what happens? I go with, like this is early on in the days of me covering it, don't have a lot of money in the old account But I'm gonna unload and go against this guy and I want to say he was like matched up against SK. Oh Or somebody that made like a brief appearance on open championship leader boards And I don't know what he's doing at the moment
Starting point is 01:01:37 It might not have been SK whole but it was it was it was a player from Japan and and all you need to know is that that player from Japan played pretty well on Sunday But that American that fell down on the street in front of me was tied to the low-round of the day on Sunday Which is one of the great rounds ever played in golf history because eight hours earlier he fell down in the street so I Learned my lesson there about the ability from certain players to play hurt and And why there's no such thing as a sure thing Next up episode 226 with Joel Damon
Starting point is 01:02:10 This is I think the only time I've ever heard him talk in long form on the incident He had the rules incident. He had it with Sun Kang So here it is episode 226 Joel Damon We're it's Sunday on the 10th hole with a big dog I left par 5 and basically you hit a straight drive and then it goes 90 degrees left. Mr. Kang goes for the green and his ball I did not think crossed by the green he thought it did. 25 minutes later even bin crane played through us played through us that day.
Starting point is 01:02:43 Bin crane Ryan Palmer played through. It able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that.
Starting point is 01:03:00 I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Starting point is 01:03:16 I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be being the second spot. He won the first one by the hold. Then we went back like 30, 40 yards. It was not close. And I know he made a great chip, great pot made par, and he ended up finishing third.
Starting point is 01:03:32 And honestly, the British open. And I decided to somebody asked me on Twitter that night, it's like, hey, what was the incident on 10? Because it was at half an hour. We backed up everything in the group. And yeah, somebody just goes, hey, what was the incident on 10? Because it was at half an hour. We backed up everything in the group. And yeah, somebody just goes, hey, what happened on 10? And then I said he cheated. Just kept it real.
Starting point is 01:03:54 He used a seward cavalier. Yeah. He had a cavalier drop. He used a wrong seward. So that night, I'm actually staying at a friend of a friend's house. And he's like half an hour from the golf course, but he's kind of in the boonies. There's no cell reception. So go to bed, don't think anything of it really.
Starting point is 01:04:10 And I wake up and I have like three or four texts. It's like, oh boy. And then I drive, if we have to like, you know, pack up and we're leaving Monday and all of a sudden my phone goes off and then everybody's sending me like, it's on Yahoo, it's on like Apple News, it's all over the place. I'm like, oh, this is good. Apparently, you're not supposed to use that word.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Or people will take notice. Next up here is again, Steve Elkington episode 204 on a story with Bubble Watson. I'm sure that none of this story is embellished at all. This is it, but this is one of my favorite Steve Elkington on his showdown with bubble Watson. Well he thinks he's with straight I think so. He said you know I think the line was was yeah yeah bubble he's a highly uneducated fucking guy and he knows it that was one of my favorite ones.
Starting point is 01:04:56 It could be you know he probably is. The tablets. Oh yeah yeah on the tablets got anger issues. Start that would start that story over and people have seen the highlight. Clear. You guys just love that story. Yeah, it's had nothing actually had nothing to do with me. Honestly, he just snapped. I mean, how many times have you seen him snap a lot?
Starting point is 01:05:18 And we were playing, we were playing this with, I was playing with a shigeki Mariamma and I were leading the tournament on the 10th hole. Of course, I designed for the PGA tour with Pete Dye. We're playing the 10th hole. We're both eight under. Bubba's not playing so hard, but he said this drive so far down the fairway. Now Shigecki, you know, I'm back here and all the camera crew are all theirs. A bunch of there, shooting our shots in there. So after we both hit, everybody moves, you know, 12 people move up the fairway.
Starting point is 01:05:52 And he should have even been there yet. He should have been here, but he was already out of position. He was up there waiting. So everyone walked up and bullet my caddy had the bag on his shoulder and hunched it just chimped it. Yeah, and when he did Baba snapped and called us, you know all kinds of shit and And so I fucking fucking veterans man fucking fucking veterans bastards and
Starting point is 01:06:18 So I went up to him and he wouldn't even turn around. I said I'm gonna fucking talk to you When we get off the green on 18 and Roger Mopi's over there going, I've never seen anything like this, but I'm gonna watch some asshole. Everyone thinks I'm an asshole, but anyway, I'm not shaking. He said, I'm not sawing his card. And when I walked into the scores tent, there was security in there. And they said to me, elk, whatever you do, don't punch him in the score is 10. It's okay, I'm not gonna do that. So anyway, I lit him up in the score is 10.
Starting point is 01:06:51 I told him I was gonna kick his ass and he started crying and told me all this stuff, but to his credit, he did come back to me and say, you know what, I was wrong, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But the great story about that whole thing was, we're in the buy later, me and Shigeki Mariamma and a bunch of guys and we were all just having a few beers and One of the two
Starting point is 01:07:11 Officials said, okay, well you guys need to write this up. What happened? so It's just okay, so you know Shigeki says I write I write, I write up, I write letter. So it's okay, you go off and write a letter and come back. And I'll read it and say, you, you add it, let it for me. I said, yeah, I'll add it for you, mate, no worries. So he leaves for a while and we're having a couple of beers
Starting point is 01:07:36 and Shigeki comes back in, you know, real Japanese, real official, you know, half-bow. I mean, so if you two sign, I have a letter for you to read, you know. It's okay, I got it. So he says He's gonna he's writing what happened. He so it goes something like me Elkison's sign play 10th hall at golf course and We tied lead hit ball. Baba wasn't hit fucking dry way up here and
Starting point is 01:08:02 Elkison's sign I I hit ball we move and then bubble was in snap say fuck you cock sucker motherfucker cock sucker and I said I'm reading this letter and I go you're a super rider this this is well done really I said yeah mate this is you don't have to do anything there's no editing done. This is put this straightening envelope to the tour. This is perfect. That was the funny part about the story. Next is Max Homa episode 212. This was the day after he won the Wells Fargo championship, talking about the nerves he's battling down the stretch and the thought process of whether or he's actually going for the win. Max Homa episode 212.
Starting point is 01:08:45 Yeah, I think the hardest part, and I've actually thought about this quite a bit in my, and just like my, my life as far as like just kind of thinking about other golfers is, I've always put this thought up, use this hole as an example. 18 at Torrey Pines. Second shot, if you hit the fairway, it's obviously a risk to go for it. I don't care how long you are. If Phil Mickelson, Tiger Woods and myself are in the middle of the fairway and we're all tied for the lead Phil and Tiger have a lot of freedom to go for it and I in some respects
Starting point is 01:09:15 Could lay up make sure I make par and not you know lose the opportunity to keep my card, right? That's like a serious thought that I think I'd probably have. I've always hoped that I would get up there and think, screw it, we're winning, we're in this position, that's why we play. But I don't know, that's the hardest part. So the whole kind of weekend, I kept thinking, man, it'd be great to win, but like, you can't,
Starting point is 01:09:39 like, don't screw this up. Like, this is, we gotta have some job security, and it's such a weird blend in your brain because I don't want to think like that. I felt like I was being kind of soft doing that and I kept trying to push out of my brain and I think as the Sunday went on I did a better and better job of thinking we're winning this thing. Screw second, screw third, we're winning this thing. I don't care about the job security, I don't care about winning. Obviously those things come.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Here's one more from Max on his antics coming down the stretch of that win. Club Torell off the 14th tee after laying up. Do you have anything to explain about that? Yeah, that was good. It's like one of those shots. It's like not hard at all, but it feels kind of pressure feel because it it's one of those. It's easy to screw up, I guess. So I don't know. I do everything I did. I realized after I did, I was like, that's so corny, but it all like,
Starting point is 01:10:34 it all just comes out, like it's weird. I was proud of that shot. So it just starts, starts to twirl and then the one on 18 was the funniest one. That just because Joe literally ran up behind me me goes are you freaking kidding me with that club Toural are you joking and I'm like dude I don't know I'm sorry goes don't be sorry That's a cool thing I've ever seen you have the biggest balls I've ever seen and I'm like all right cool at least it looked decent Oh that one was bad at back to episode 206 with Jordan speed talking about his relationship with Augusta the 2015 and the 2016 Masters and the reaction to it. What if anything, what would you say the main things you learned from 2016 are?
Starting point is 01:11:19 You know, I think the, what I learned the most was how much input people put on a certain whole versus the entirety of 72 holes or how one-sided whether it's the public or the media's view is on something without actually diving into the details of why or what happened. It's like, I didn't choke. I legitimately was missing every shot short-right. And it wasn't like the moment was too big for me. I just won the year before. And however many other tournaments I had already won earlier that season. It wasn't like I got here and the moment got the best of me. It was like, no, I just legitimately had this thing
Starting point is 01:12:09 wrong in my swing. I hit it right on 11, had to punch out, hit it right on 10, had to punch out. When the pressure was on that day, I was hitting them all horribly. Yeah. And so yeah, I didn't over protect to hit it left. I made the same mistake of hitting it right,
Starting point is 01:12:26 which you can't do, but it wasn't because of, it was Sunday at Augusta. It's like, no, it was just like, I was just hitting it that bad. And unfortunately, that's just not the way it can be or would be looked at, no matter what I say, who I say to it, which is okay. It is what it is.
Starting point is 01:12:46 I don't look at myself as not able to close because I've done that plenty of times before and after. So, that's what makes it weird. It's backwards. You wanted the year before and then the disaster happens the next day. Yeah. If it was the other way, it had been the greatest master story ever. If you look at it, so 2017, I made a nine on number 15, but it wasn't Sunday. So nobody really even talks about that,
Starting point is 01:13:07 but that was as bad or worse, because that was a wedge in my hand in the fairway that I'd hit like two of them where I shouldn't have. Well, I want you to kind of say. It's like, and I was in the second of last group Sunday there. And I think that was maybe Friday. And so without that hole in 2017,
Starting point is 01:13:27 I'm in the lead starting the final round, which is actually a better starting position on Sunday than I was in 16. Next up, Eddie Pepperel, episode 202, talking about Yips, Demons, Monsters, all that kind of stuff. Eddie is the absolute best. This is a very good one to go back on if you get the chance.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Episode 202. I had a period a few years ago where I literally had, I get the yips around the greens for like two weeks. And then it went. And I was like, I've always been a good chipper. And it was purely technical. And it literally is.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Tiger was just to get the yips. I mean, the problem with the yips is people only see it when it's happening. And then they think that's a psychological problem. Which at that point it is, but how does it start? It never starts as a psychological problem. A psychological leader. It starts as a technical problem, and then it's like a monster. Everyone's got potential monsters in their pockets or in their shoulders, but it's small.
Starting point is 01:14:16 And you have to keep them small. The best goal from the planet is the guy with the smallest monsters. It's not the guy that doesn't have any. Every fucker's got monsters. It's just dusting, probably has a great. Every fuckers got monsters. It's just dusting probably is a great handle on all of his little remnants. So that's the guy's dusting, you know? It's crazy that you say that like that because I feel like the last two or three years watching
Starting point is 01:14:35 Jordan's speed. He's made absolutely everything, but like his, the, the grips crazy and he's cross-handed and all that. Like, he's making everything and he looks super comfortable with it. But I can tell there's a monster on our shoulder. Yeah, it does look like he's just trying to fight off that monster for as long as possible. And now he's finally dealing with that monster. And he's going to be good when he gets the other side of the monster. But yeah, I mean, yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:03 So what's your biggest monster? Well, historically it was my driver. So, you know, and I'm gradually, the thing is also the hardest thing with golf is that monster can grow so fast, so big so fast, and trying to shrink him, I mean, it's just a fucking shit, yeah. When you, you know, it probably gets bigger when you're trying to shrink it. Possibly? I mean, possibly, or what probably happens is it actually doesn't, but other monsters
Starting point is 01:15:26 get bigger because you're not focusing on them. And then aren't you, like, this is like life. Like, I know we're talking about golf, but this is really just life. Golf is life. Yeah. Golf is life. For sure. I mean, your front room and there's just flags every at golf is life.
Starting point is 01:15:39 We can change some of these words and we could be having a self-help podcast on a different topic. Absolutely. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want.
Starting point is 01:15:52 You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want.
Starting point is 01:16:00 You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. You can do that if you want. I struggled to sleep when I was at my driver for the planet. Here's Morgan Hoffman, again, episode 197, talking about the debilitating disease he was diagnosed with, and the treatment he went through and actually traveling to Nepal to get holistic treatment.
Starting point is 01:16:13 This part really blew me away, has ability to speak on this topic. After that visit in Miami, I was like, I'm looking up complete out of the box situations here and trying to figure this out. So I found online this doctor Robert Morrison. He's a, I don't know how to describe it. He's a holistic healer, but is just a guy that pursues changing people's diets dramatically
Starting point is 01:16:43 and having food cure you, by eating certain types and certain times and how many servings and what type of vegetable all that kind of stuff. So ironically, he was in Tampa, so I drove over to see him and I still believe in his approach to this day. It just takes a lot of time. But he told me he's like, look, he believes in your ideology, which is the study of your eyes to
Starting point is 01:17:14 tell you what's going on in your body. So like the the membranes, like in your pupils are around the edges and all that stuff. and then like gives you a full body check and he's like look you have great you have great genes and are very strong and he goes if I was trying to fight disease off I would want your genes I was like well that's that's awesome thank you now what do I do and he said I need you to eat a raw vegan alcohol on a diet, which is basically just fruits and vegetables, and get rid of meat and dairy and all that kind of stuff. And I've been, I started not eating meat like a year and a half ago, and it was awesome and great change.
Starting point is 01:18:03 And major increases in energy. And then he's like, you know what, if you really want to speed things up, I suggest you start on a cleanse. I was like, all right, great, I've heard about cleanses all the time, you know, let's go. Because all right, I want you to eat red grapes for 16 days and just drink water. I was like, all right, let's do it. 16 days? Yeah, so I, I bought, I calculated that I like to get a decent calorie account. A amount each day I had to eat 800 red grapes a day. So I was eating 800 red grapes a day for 16 days and in in the first four days, I lost 11 pounds
Starting point is 01:18:46 and crazy amounts of weight and zero energy obviously. And his whole thing was like waiting for a, I don't remember the word, but some kind of big thing to happen in your body, like have a fever or start throwing up or you know that kind of stuff and it never really came and I went back to him and I was like, look how long is this gonna take? You know, I wanna get back on tour like I can't,
Starting point is 01:19:16 I can't be playing golf right now if I'm like look like a scarecrow and he's like, I don't know, you know, it's gonna work but it could take two months, it could take two years. And I was like, all right, well, I'm gonna look for other avenues here. So at the time, my girlfriend, Chelsea, was in Nepal because she loves helping kids.
Starting point is 01:19:38 And when I was 19, when I was 20, my best friend, Sean Einhaus, who his mother is from the Paul, we started a charity over there and helped build a school and like gave kids computers and that kind of stuff. And I've been over there several times before and I just love the people. So Chelsea was over there helping at Camp Hope. It's to help these kids from the earthquake a few years ago, which
Starting point is 01:20:06 they still haven't rebuilt their cities. And all the parents are rebuilding the cities while the kids go to school in Kathmandu. And so she was there and ran into San Gita, who is Sean's mother. He played at Oklahoma State with me, Sean, I and House and they were having dinner one day and she's like, yeah, I'd love to free to meet this doctor. His name is Dr. Kamal Josey and he's a healer and he's cured hundreds of people with cancer and he's kind of ticked that off the list as if you have it. It's easy to cure. And now he's on to muscular dystrophy.
Starting point is 01:20:48 And he's been treating a patient here with muscular dystrophy in Parkinson's for the last few weeks. And he's been in a wheelchair for 25 years, never walked. And now he's walking within two weeks. And she'll see like a few, if this situation over there that your big cleanse doesn't work. I think you should come try this I was like all right. We'll get me more details and look at guys like all right come here for 90 days We'll prepare the herbs just give us like two months to prepare
Starting point is 01:21:19 And then you can come over and it's a 90 day treatment and I flew over it was 90 days of herbal, Ayurvedic treatment of me just pretty much laying on a bed and then rubbing these herbs that they would mash up in front of me every morning on a stone slab I would be there for a two hour session in the morning and a two to two and a half hour session in the evening and The stuff smelled terrible. It was like, it's not relaxing.
Starting point is 01:21:50 It's not a spa. Yeah, they don't speak English. I had a translator there. And I mean, it was an incredible, incredible journey. And maybe one of the toughest things I've ever done, but I think now when I put my hand on my chest where the atrophy was, where I could just feel ribs. Now if I flex, I can kind of feel like a little muscle in there, which I haven't felt since 2011.
Starting point is 01:22:20 So it's pretty exciting. I'm not making any claims. I don't want to, you know, have a public statement and say anything about being cured or whatever, but in the process and I'm still taking these herbs that he gave me and I'm still waiting on a blood test to see if anything has changed genetically because every single day when I was over there, I just studied food. I studied plants and vegetables and how they can heal you. It's just insane.
Starting point is 01:22:56 You can change your genes. People in the states, North America really don't believe that. Like, you know, no one's taught that. Next up is Anika Sorenstam episode 189 talking about playing in a men's event at Colonial and the nerves that went into that. This is someone who is the probably the greatest woman to ever play the game. And how much this moment affected her was a moment that is stuck with me throughout this year.
Starting point is 01:23:25 And then on to 2003, you win two majors, almost win the other two, but I could be wrong in saying this, it seems like the 2003 colonial stands out as the moment of 2003 for you. What was the process like from getting a sponsors invite into that event to deciding to play? Is it something you always wanted to do? Was there any kind of decision to actually be made there or once you got the offer
Starting point is 01:23:47 where you all in? Well, you're right 2003 was was a big year for me. You know, again I've been number one now for for a while and I was I still felt like I could be better, you know, in my mind. I mean, I of course I looked at the rankings I looked at, but I also looked at my statistics and I knew in my mind that I could be better. So I was trying to figure out ways to push me to kind of get there. You know, I practiced with the guys, you're living in Orlando,
Starting point is 01:24:13 there was a lot of PJ Pros in the neighborhood, I practiced quite a bit with Tiger, learning from him, and you know, I grew up when I was a young girl, and it was, it was just boys at the club, it was my sister, and then the two of us, we would hang with 10 boys. It wasn't like a gender thing, it was just more at the club. It was my sister and then the two of us would, we would hang with 10 boys. It wasn't, it wasn't like a gender thing. It was just more we play golf together.
Starting point is 01:24:29 So, so I said, well, I remember getting a question at a press conference where they said, hey, would you ever want to play with a man? And I was like, yes, that's what I need. And I said, sure, I would love to. And I remember walking away from that press conference Mark Steinberg who was a tiger and a few other guys agent and it had been mine for a long time. He said do you have any idea what you said in there? And I said yeah I'm playing with a man and he
Starting point is 01:24:56 guys okay so this was in January and then eventually we you know we decided to play at the Colonial, it was called Bank of America. And it was a great journey. You can call it a journey to get to prepared for, first of all, a long golf course, different competitors and all the things that I thought I could that I needed to be ready for. So it was an amazing experience. I mean, I look back in my career and that's certainly one of them that pops up and it's not so much about how I played. It's more about the experience, the people, the, you know, the lessons I learned and you know, to kind of generalize it a little bit for for other people to
Starting point is 01:25:39 kind of put their own perspective is, you know, we get opportunities in our life, but we never know how many we get, and then they do come. And, you know, being shy, it's very easy to just say, no, because, you know, you maybe don't have the courage, or you just wonder, you know, if I'm going to make a fool out of myself, but I said, if you don't say yes, you will never know. And this was that opportunity. I could certainly say, no, but I probably sit here here and I was still wondering what it would be like You know if you're gonna get better or something if you want to test yourself You know, you need to have the courage to say yes, you know I had four months to prepare and um, I'm so glad I did it You know, I don't I really didn't really need to play over the weekend because it wasn't so much again about the golf
Starting point is 01:26:21 It was more about the experience and I remember going back to the LPJ the the following week or the week after. And I just had so much more confidence, so much more just belief in myself. And I think it's, that's the reason why I, I highlight that event in my career. Because there couldn't, I imagine that they're at that point, you've already won several major championships. You've accomplished so much on the LPJ scene. I imagine there's not any situation that would have made you any close,
Starting point is 01:26:48 that could simulate the nerves that were like, taking it up for the men for the first time. I remember seeing and reading about, kind of, you struggle to get words out on the first tee, is that right? I mean, take us to that first tee the first round, Thursday. But like you said, I mean, how do you, again, how do you prepare for, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:02 what happens after you win? How do you prepare to play against the men if you've never done that to be on, I mean, this, to me, was, you know, the biggest stage or, you know, the biggest stem in talk about something I never would have thought I would do, you know, when I was missing tournament on purpose to, you know, fast forward 15 years, you're going to tee up when everybody's looking. Because for perspective, no female had played in a pj torrevin since 1945 Yeah, so it was yeah, so it wasn't something that was very common right so yeah, I mean there was I remember
Starting point is 01:27:32 You know a few things is that's the thing is I remember a few things and there's some things I really don't remember which is funny because you know I was there, but I guess I was so focused, but walking down from the putting green to the first tee, I kind of looked at my caddy and I said, I'm not really sure what we got ourselves into. He goes, well, it's a little too late. We're going to be on the tee in 50 yards. He told me after Terry McNamara, my caddy the last nine years of my career, a super guy.
Starting point is 01:28:05 So it was kind of an experience together, but he told me afterwards that I had turned to him before it was time to hit, and my lips were moving, but no words came out. Oh my God. And he said, yeah, that's kind of what he said. Oh, how is this gonna go? So, yeah, it was, I mean, we all deal with nerves differently.
Starting point is 01:28:24 I played extremely well from tea to green. Around the greens, that's kind of when I get a little nervous. You know, I have a tendency to lose the feel a little bit on pots. So it could be a speed thing in these greens, of course, but very fast. So, and speed is so important when you have hundred lady greens to kind of find the combination. So, but, you know, I had a pat to shoot on the par.
Starting point is 01:28:46 So, I mean, I was very pleased with my performance and, you know, to go out there. And I mean, I knew that the guys I would play with, first of all, they could not have been an in-ice. I knew that they would out-drill me with, you know, lots of yards. So, I always be hitting first into the greens, but just having that mindset. So, but, you know, again, you but just having that mindset and so but you know again You know what doesn't kill you makes it stronger, right? This is another Scott Van Pelt clip this is from episode two fifteen talking about eating pizza with tiger woods after one the US open Favorite my favorite tiger story
Starting point is 01:29:18 2002 right that was the unit play there and you know so Mm-hmm. I have that right? We have three. Two. He wins the master's that. He wins the master's that year. He comes in just out to the Sunday conversation and says, how are you doing? He goes himself, believe in Hungary. He said, we're trying to pizza.
Starting point is 01:29:34 I said, if you win the other side, I get you to pizza. So we won it. I saw it as a GP. I'm fine. Filed out of way. Well, he's going to win the other side of the other side. So we've heard her a pizza, local spot, we'd like to get like a police escort to get it brought in, when
Starting point is 01:29:49 it's clear he's going to win, and we've got a sausage pepper on a pizza. When he comes up, sit down for the conversation, he walks in, looks at the chair and goes, what's that? I said, he's told me at the masters, if you won, you want a sausage pepper on a pizza. And he looks at Stein, and he says, can we eat that? And Stine said, you just want to use something and you can do whatever you want. So we shut the door and we sit there and proceed to eat sausage and pepperoni pizza for, I don't know how long, we're talking about the Lakers not doing the interview. It takes forever.
Starting point is 01:30:19 I am the guy from the USGN. Once his name was Craig Smith. I'm pretty sure I'm getting it right. He, remember I told you before, the Tigers' agents wanted to kill me when I did the sit-down at the golf channel? Yeah. The USGF guy, I really did think, was going to put his hands on me and maybe murder me, because all of the press is waiting to talk to Tiger Woods, and he's sitting in this room
Starting point is 01:30:41 and the back of a clubhouse at Betpay eating pizza with the idiot from the SPF. The hardest one of all of them to just pick one story was probably episode 241 with Scott Harrington. All he's been through in 16 years playing professional golf heading to PGA tour for the first time. This interview was done just after he'd earned his PGA tour card on the Cornfairy tour and talks about what his wife is going through and here is a snippet of it but I highly recommend going back to episode 241 with Scott Harrington. That's something that was really special for us. Part of going back to
Starting point is 01:31:15 Greenville when I had met with the tour and talked them about it, you know, as part of my medical, you know, when guys go on a regular medical, there is usually a bit of some financial assistant, you know, based on your prior years play, you qualify for medical, you know, you get paid a little bit, and it's not on the archer, it's not much at all, but it, you know, it's something coming in, and, you know, but for this particular type of medical, since it wasn't my own, it wasn't an injury to myself. We didn't qualify for that.
Starting point is 01:31:49 So we were looking, we were in a pretty, you know, it was going to be tough, but I don't know how, or if we could have done it financially, I mean, these medical bills are intense, and not to mention just trying to keep our lights on and all that and you know it's kind of been written about but Scott Langley's a friend of mine here in Scottsdale and he was on the player board at the time when our tour and they actually had a meeting in that weekend Greenville and he brought up the idea to the to the pact you know hey is there any way we can help the Harrington's out with some of that, you know,
Starting point is 01:32:27 financially over the course of however long it may be and then everybody to their credit, like everybody thought it was a great idea. The tour brass decided that they were, you know, going to do put their full, you know, full weight of their tour and the PGA tour behind it and really try to help us out. And I remember when Dan Glott, the commissioner, I mean, he told me that that was what they wanted to do. I mean, I start, I mean, I start, I'm not a cryer and I just, I kind of start crying right there.
Starting point is 01:33:00 And I was just like, man, this is crazy, unbelievable. You guys want to do this. And it took a huge burden off of me. I mean, for her, our concern, 100% was just doing whatever was necessary to get her better. And you kind of worry about the other things, how you're going to pay for all that. You worry about all that later. I mean, the first and foremost is just, let's get her healthy. But yeah, I mean, on this tour, I'm still
Starting point is 01:33:31 living year to year, can't afford to have a bad year and much less just stop playing. And so for them to do that was crazy special. But even at that point, I still thought, hey, every little bit will help, but I mean my expectations were, I mean, they wanted me to kind of try the best I could to budget out exactly what, or the rest of that year was gonna look like with all our medical bills and living expenses,
Starting point is 01:33:59 their goal, I mean, their goal was to get us covered for everything. So essentially, I could start out whenever I was able to come back, pretty much being the same financial situation that I was when I started it. But I still thought that was extremely ambitious. And I knew every bit would help, but I mean, I had no clue that it would kind of take off the way it did and that people would Really like rally so hard around us and there were some so yeah, I mean the players
Starting point is 01:34:36 Obviously it's started with players both on the PGA tour and and corkberry you know chippin in and and and that all meant so much just because I know what it's like to be a player on this tour and we don't have a lot of disposable income and you know guys just chippin' in whether it's 20 bucks or 50 bucks and some a lot more I mean there were guys Sam Burns made an unbelievable pledge that and I literally had never even met Sam Burns before and you know I think the first week they had the fundraiser up they you know he he pledged I think it first week they had the fundraiser up. He pledged, I think it was $100 a birdie for the rest of the season. That was, they were still probably 12 or 15 events left in the year. A gesture like that is just unbelievable, especially for somebody that you don't even know. Next up episode 249.
Starting point is 01:35:22 This is Jim Wagner from Hans Golf Design taking a break from roasting me to tell a cool story about Dural and how professionals were perceiving work that actually made them think. Let's walk me through this whole process, right? Because the way I understand it is you have to figure out ways to combat how far they hit the golf ball. And you got to make them think about where they want to hit it. And then you do that and then they cry and then it goes away.
Starting point is 01:35:45 But you just said the keyword, think. Yeah. Right? Yeah. That is the keyword which a lot of professional golfers, no offense, they don't really want to have to think their way around the golf course. I've said this before and when we redid the Ralph or Trump, I don't want to say the golfers and the anger you could probably find in on another podcast.
Starting point is 01:36:03 Come on. Billy Horsill. That's here, so sure. Cheers. And it was at a maybe like a polo thing at the in-approach out the evening before the event. And they had played a couple practice rounds, right? Now mind you, we're going into a World Golf Championship, right?
Starting point is 01:36:22 Zero cut. Yeah. Right? Limited field, everybody's guaranteed what, 75 grand, or whatever the number is. Free money, okay. What do you think of the golf course? Well, you know, Jim, I get up to that seventh hole, and the problem we have is that every hole we have to think. There's no let up holes. There's no holes that we can just get up there and hit the ball. And I'm kind of looking at them thinking to myself, I'm like, seriously? I said, most people come Thursday, right?
Starting point is 01:36:55 And their normal job of a week are worn out. That's why Thursday is the biggest party in the week, right? Because everybody's beat up after four days of work. And here, you're complaining. After four days, you're going to work for four days and make 75 grand. That's what most people make. That's the average income of most people
Starting point is 01:37:11 for an entire year. So comments like that. But you have to understand who you're playing with, who you're working for and with, is that, and we all know this, is that nothing can be their fault. And there's a lot of, no, seriously, right? There's a lot of professions out there that once you start to bring doubt into your own mind
Starting point is 01:37:32 that you're no longer gonna be successful. As soon as you start doubting and worrying about whatever, we go through this, right? If we're working on a golf hole or working on a golf course, we're shaping a bunker. And I'm worried about what Gilles gonna think or what he would do in that situation or if I'm worried about what the members are gonna think or if I'm worried about you know the tour players or something like that I'm never gonna do what I think is right okay so if you start downing yourself you're
Starting point is 01:37:57 gonna change and now you're not you're not gonna do what should be done. Next is episode 235 with professional poker player Daniel Negranu. He isn't much of a golfer, but maybe gambles the most of anyone I've ever heard of on the golf course. Most gamblers won't name numbers, but he talks about the actual figures they're betting out there and some crazy bets he's taken on. There was another bet that I made. One night we were out, we were like this, you know, we're having some sake and some beers and we were talking about, and my golf game was not very good. Like, the back tees at TPC Summerland is about 7,000 yards. I can't hit a driver more than 230, so I don't hit any of the greens from the back there, but I bet them give the figure me a
Starting point is 01:38:37 year that I could shoot 80 from the back tees there. So I'm drunk and we're all drinking and I bet $550,000 on this. And so I have a month to spare, but I get as many rounds as I as I need. So with about a month to spare, you know, I go out there and I'm like, all right, 110, 108, 106. Okay, that's my first three rounds. That's what you're starting at. And you go ahead and break 80. And I have a month. So we woke up at 7 a.m. every day.
Starting point is 01:39:00 I went, we practiced for an hour, played 18, practice for another hour another hour played another 18 played nine more and then practiced again So I would go from 7 a.m. till about 8 p.m. every day and For you know within about a week I was shooting low 90s You know, maybe a week later, you know mid to 80s and with about a week and a half to spare actually And they I was too under after nine and so then all the cards started coming out No, because they were like oh oh boy, here he comes. There was probably 60 golf carts on the last three holes, sweating me.
Starting point is 01:39:29 And so in the last three holes, I needed to go bogey bogey bogey to win the bet. And there was the three toughest holes also, just the way that it set up. And of course, you know, on the first one, the first one is the easiest of the three. So I of course double bogey that. Now I need to par one of the last two. and I make par on the second to last one.
Starting point is 01:39:49 And then I have a six footer for all the money to win. I'm actually a good putter, but this putt I hit the putt and as I hit the putt my knees sort of kind of fell to the ground in a way, but somehow the ball went in. Next up, episode 254 with Bill Kor, another one that was hard to pick, just one story, but I really like how he discusses centerline bunkers here, how they affect strategy and how it implements them on his golf courses. They're often so effective in just influencing thought and breaking up the what we saw often for over a period of years or saw as the best place to play is the Middle of Fairway Middle of Fairway Middle of Fairway. You'd hear that on television, you know, you just hear it and the fairway has got so narrow that the Middle of Fairway is the only place you could play, almost to be in the fairway. That became a very
Starting point is 01:40:45 standardized form of golf, particularly in America. But Ben and I were both enamored of so many of the old courses that gave you so much or latitude in terms of width of the fairway. But it was not uncommon to see a bunker or a mound, a feature that was some sort of a contour that was right in the absolute spot where you, most players would most want to be. In some cases, it's the safest spot to be right in the middle. And so, you know, we would see those old courses with that sort of thing, and we'd read the stories about whether it might be a hot club where they didn't put the bunkers in until, you know, they'd quite watch the players, the best players play the course and wherever the most, the shots of the very best players ended up off the tee is often where the bunker was placed.
Starting point is 01:41:46 And to give the best players to create thought, not just randomly, you know, play between one side and another like kicking field goals, but if there's a centralized bunker But if there's a centralized bunker right, ex-evaluate where you most want to be, particularly I'm talking about very accomplished players, then a decision has to be made. They're like, ooh, I really wanna be as close to that as I can, do I play short of it, left of it, right of it, where I'm my capable of hitting over it.
Starting point is 01:42:24 And that is much more thought-provoking Left of it right of it where I'm my capable of hitting over it and That is much more thought provoking than just a expansive fairway out there between some heavy rough on both sides so Here was a Gough architect and see if you've read about Max Bayer from California who actually wrote a whole treatise on this Central type hazards in Gough. He called it the line of charm. And it's just, it's been one of the most interesting aspects of golf architecture throughout history. Here's Jason Bone again talking about his infamous crotch chop moment at the TPC Scottsdale. All right. Yeah. Cross fell. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:05 16. Hard saw. Sock grass or Scottsdale. I mean, Scottsdale. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The big one.
Starting point is 01:43:10 The big one. The tour if you did it at 16 saw grass. Yeah. That's true. That uh, it was uh, it was a Sunday and I was, it was great. I was playing with Jason Co-Crack, who is, you know, big guy, six, five tall, like, just would send it. And uh, we're on 16 and he goes, um, five tall, like just would send it. And we're on 16. And he goes,
Starting point is 01:43:27 um, we both hit up on the green. And he's got this red and white, uh, shirt on with white pants. And we walk up on the green. And these guys, I mean, it was pretty early in the morning, uh, maybe noon or something. I mean, we were, we were anywhere near the lead of the tournament. And this guy yells out, hey, co-crack, you look like a giant fucking candy cane. All right, and on 16, you gotta admit, they're pretty witty, they're funny. They say some good stuff is pretty funny.
Starting point is 01:43:54 And I looked at them, and I play with them all day, and I'm looking at them, I'm like, you do. I lost that, I started dying, and I was like, you do, you look like a giant candy cane. That's pretty witty, you gotta give it to that guy. So I kind of tip my hat to him or whatever. And then we're both about 20 feet from the hole and he steps over it and right in the middle
Starting point is 01:44:11 of his puddings felt they, you suck, you can't make it. And it's okay. I mean, it's one hole. It's fine. And we're in like 35th place. So it's not really gonna change it. And he rolls it down there and he missed. And I just got up over mine. I had just a few feet inside of them he missed. And, you know, I just got up over mine.
Starting point is 01:44:25 I had just a few feet inside of them and I'm like, you know, it's coming. And you just absolutely know it's coming. As soon as you pull it back, they're gonna go, you suck, you can't, so I pull it back. And they said, you suck, you can't make it. And I made it. And so I turned to him and I pointed at him.
Starting point is 01:44:40 And I said, why don't you suck on this? And I give you a crotch trot. And they've loved it. They all went crazy. They erupted and they roared. Adam and I said why don't you suck on this and I give you a crotch trot and They've loved it. They always crazy. They've ruptured and they've roared and I'm just sitting there going man That just cost five grand, you know, was that worth it? You know that thing and that's conduct I'm becoming a professional and so he did was Momentarily that hit me in so we get down we get done playing and as soon as I finish playing my phone rings PGA tour headquarters I know it's Andy Pazner. It's our guy who does all our five. Jason, because I guess this is right when golf channel came on the air, whatever, you know,
Starting point is 01:45:14 when they got it. And he's like, hey, I just want to ask you on 16, what happened? And it happened to be Scottsdale that night. The Super Bowl was being played and Seattle was in the Super Bowl and he said, what's going on? And I said, guy yelled out of the crowd, who's going to win the Super Bowl? And I said, Marcion Litch and I gave him, you know, because that's what Marcion does when he's, you know, and he's like, I, what really happened? I don't know, that's just totally happened. He told Puzzle, you're just here so you don't get fined.
Starting point is 01:45:43 Yeah, I told him, man, He's like, that's pretty good. And I was like, nah, then I told him kind of what happened. He's like, I didn't, and so did you get fined? I did not. No, no, they were pretty cool. He falls out of tag himself. Well, I just keep tagging. He just keeps tagging, and then you forget.
Starting point is 01:45:58 You're gonna get fined now. I was also sitting on the policy board at that time on the PJ tour, so that made a difference, baby. No, I don't know. I don't think that they're biased. Yeah, they're biased. I'm sure they're. Yeah, they're just dumbed out.
Starting point is 01:46:08 They're biased. I can't wait for you to phone call after this, because that's super big. Here's Joel Damon again with a story on a hungover round of golf. The biggest story of my career until last summer was Springfield, Missouri and the Web Tour in 2015. It was my first year out there, and I took it off in the morning, and you have to make
Starting point is 01:46:29 so many birdies there. I think I shot four or five under for two days, and I was like, oh, that's going to miss a cut. So we go out and start drinking. We're going to play like a par with three-quarters under the lights with my caddy and a couple of other buddies, and a bunch of beer, end up getting a fireball. And it was late, and all of a sudden we check, I have a text from the tour.
Starting point is 01:46:49 It says UT off at 7.30 with Craig Barlow. And I'm like, that's, I made the cut. Oh no. So continue to drink, obviously, because it's not point there's no turning back. And the throw up that night, Gino takes me me to waffle house on the way to golf course a couple balls uh... it's really hot springfield mizurian july it is a hundred degrees with ninety
Starting point is 01:47:14 five percent unity and miserable so now i'm hungover with this geno goes to the tits like two hundred walk and i film myself to my buddies walking to the tms and it's gonna be you know, this is the death of me. I love you guys. I'm going to shoot 79 a day and I'm going to like it. And, you know, I'll chat with you guys later. And that's like a two minute video that kind of went, went pretty big in our small golf world out here. So I don't
Starting point is 01:47:42 think it's hit. I don't think it's hit the airways yet. I have to track that. We could change that. I was gonna say you just sent a lot of people to track that day. So we'll see. Nothing's too bad in there. So that was that. I ended up shooting 63 that day, made 10 birdies. I was gonna say there's like a butt to the story. Yeah. I walk off the golf course. I'm in third place. And you want to write to sleep. I went right back to bad. And I think I finished eight or nine
Starting point is 01:48:11 that week, locked up my web card for the future year with that, with that turning. We're going to end this one with two more clips from the Paul Goidos, Kevin Sutherland episode. Thanks a ton to everyone for tuning in and for making it this far. And we'll see you again in 2020. All the tournaments that Tiger, all the match the match played Tigers Tiger one when they didn't
Starting point is 01:48:28 change the format had nothing to do with it was the McCarran Sullen final. Yeah. We're like, how do you guys change this? Well, it's not but it all do respect Kevin. It's not just that tournament. Every time Kevin played really well at tournament, they either redid the course or move or that's the or when they did the years ago, when you won the match. Oh yeah, exactly. It's the whole format.
Starting point is 01:48:50 It's called like, we can't have that. We play the woodlands now on the campus. Is there a truth? It's the truth. It's the truth. It did. We get to know, I love the woodlands. We played there.
Starting point is 01:49:00 We play there now on the campus. We play there in Houston Open. Kevin gets an apply off and lose system to Phil Bach. Mark moved it to another course. Torrey Pines. Kevin played well there. We played there now on the Champions League. We played there in Houston. Open Kevin gets an apply off and lose System to fill back Mark moved it to another quarter Torrey Pines Kevin played well there. I liked playing that they took Torrey having played there like three or four years in a row Redid the golf course. I mean Reese Jones. Give me well completely redid At I was hoping he'd play well at cog hill, but you know, I hated that place look hostile the next year Yeah, they switched the ninth they switched nine They moved every tea back like 30 yards
Starting point is 01:49:27 and grew the six inches of rock. I'm like seriously. It's unbelievable. I like seriously. I was kind of offended. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, but it's happened. It's not, it's not an isolated incident. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:39 He always used to say he was hoping I'd play well in a cock hill, so they'd change golf courses. And it's all good. All right, we we're gonna let you guys out here shortly, but I got two questions. How many times have you guys been fined in your careers? Zero. Zero? None?
Starting point is 01:49:53 Four. Four times? What were the incidents? Well, one, I will say this real quick, before he gets into all four. One of them is actually every single player on the PJ tour, including a few employees, should be chipping in. One of them is actually every single player on the PGA tour. Including a few employees, should be chipping in.
Starting point is 01:50:09 It's a prepay. To prepay for his fine because it actually, they changed. I've been changed. I met the World Series of golf, which used to be at Akron before it was a World Golf Championship. And I'm leading. I shoot 66 the first round. The only time I ever broke in 75 at Firestone. And the first round I played there. And I'm playing Billy Mayfair the second round We both shut four and they repair something the last group and we get rained out
Starting point is 01:50:31 So I want to play 34 holes on Saturday you play started seven in the morning I'm done it you know five o'clock at the afternoon or whatever and I proceeded 34 holes. I think I made 15 bogies and 19 bars It's a hard course in the world. I think I made 15 bogies and 19 pars. It's the hardest course in the world, I think. And I go, now I go from lead and the turn, it's like 55th place. And so now I can get a flight home, I go to home after this week to Orange County,
Starting point is 01:50:56 I can get a flight home on Sunday night instead of Monday. So I call PJ to her travel. But we're going ahead. And so they go, sorry, you know, we're closed. Our hours on Saturday are from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Please leave a message and we'll get back to you. And I go, you're open from 10 to 4, but guess when we play golf, from 10 to 4, you should
Starting point is 01:51:14 be open from 4 to 10. And every word that I have, I mean, I'm in a bad mood. I mean, I just shally shots, you know, 76 or 78. It was a voicemail. Voice mail. Every word I got, I mean, I released the shot you know, 76. Is it a voicemail? Voice mail. Every word I got, I mean, I released the entire vocabulary that I have. I even made upwards that work that are dirty.
Starting point is 01:51:31 And I just went off for about two minutes. And they find me and change the hours. I have a random question for you, Paul, too. You were a assistant captain on the 2010 Radar Cup team. You never played on a Ratter Cup team. How did you end up in that role? Yeah, so yeah, no one knows. I mean, I still, I mean, you really have to ask Corey.
Starting point is 01:51:53 So like way before, way before, yeah, because I don't really know. So way before like, so in Mexico, playing in my a Comma tournament. So Corey may have just been named captain. So this is not the year of the writer cup. This is the 2009 maybe March way and he goes I'm you know I'm I say I dinner with him. Yeah, I'm okay great. You know you're gonna be captain good and he goes and I'm picking my assistants and you're one of the guys on my list. I said why?
Starting point is 01:52:23 I mean okay, I mean I just think he's probably got 30 people. That's nice, thanks, appreciate it if you need to, let me know, and just kind of whatever. So, nothing really came of it, but I knew, I play a practice round here in their record, I mean, nothing really came of it, and then we go to Sony in 2010, first event of the year, and I get a call from,
Starting point is 01:52:44 hey, Paul, I'm staying in room, I'll stay in St. M. Hotel and you come down to my room and I go, okay, and he's got this beautiful room with the dolphin pool right there, it's great. And he goes, I've decided on my captains and you're going to be one of my assistant captains and I went, why? I go the close I've ever been to the writer cups when I got
Starting point is 01:53:00 up and turned up the volume on the TV. That's the closest I've ever gotten. And secondly, I don't get the writer cup. I mean, you got the 12 best American players. You can't figure out who can play with each other. This is nonsense. So what were you doing? I go, this is nothing.
Starting point is 01:53:15 Yeah, well, so that's gets even worse. So I show up and I don't know if I should tell this story. This is the other story. Is this the Tiger? Oh, yeah. So I show up and I guess, I mean, I don't think anybody's even remotely said anything other than why don't you buy clothes that fit. That's the biggest compliment I've ever gotten about how I dress. How come they don't fit you? That's it.
Starting point is 01:53:44 I dress terrible. I was going to ask you? That's it. I dress terrible. I was going to ask you why you always button your... That's because I have really big neck and really small shoulders. And so if I don't, if I do unbutton the button, then it opens up and I need to wear gold chains. So I have a 19 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 3 2 big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big Actually, you show up in your room. I didn't pack this so if you show up at your room and they have all your clothes lined up And there's a book you wear this on point. We need you to wear every day And it's all there's like yeah, there's like a giraffe and you're right match up the pant and they'll do
Starting point is 01:54:34 So I so so I get the little curry what do you want me to do? I don't know when you know what I'm doing. I have no idea I mean I what I'm how am I gonna help who are the other assistant captures? Davis love Tom layman and Jeff Sum and major champions at Scalp. I'm sure they're kind of going, you know, I was involved in the captain's picks and I picked the wrong guy there. We got it down to the last, we had Tiger and Stuart Sink and Zach were done. We had one last guy and I said, you know, it came down to, there's a good story.
Starting point is 01:55:07 It came down to Ricky Fowler, JB Holmes. And I actually had a player, Charlie Hoffman came up to me. That was like after the Deutsche Bank playoff event. Charlie Hoffman comes up to me on Tuesday and goes, if I win this week, would I be considered for a pick for the Ryder Cup when I go? If you win this week, I'll be for a pick for the writer cop when I go if you win this week I'll be more than happy to lobby hard for you and he won the tournament Charlie Hoffman, I mean I thought I would have picked them on the spot This guy came up to me before the tournaments and if I win would I be a guy and he wins the tournament called a shot
Starting point is 01:55:39 That's pretty impressive. Yeah, and and so we didn't pick him So we came't kind of what do you like came to the side like JB Holmes he played well for for A's area hits the ball really long he's a really good player and they said and everybody else like Ricky Feller and Ricky Feller out and played great. So he gets a lot of credit for having that one match but I don't you didn't win a match at that at that at that at the very home didn't know Ricky Feller. He went O2 and 2. Okay. He did birdie like the last four holes to tie the match
Starting point is 01:56:07 That's right that allowed us if yeah if hunter man would have won his last you hold it will retain the cup or something so My job the first for early the first few days was I need to sit at the end of the hallway before the elevator makes Everybody's more in the right clothes This is my job. That was you dude. I was so hoping that you designed the rain suits but continue. No, I was a little surprised when they came up to see you need to talk to the guy at Sun Mountain.
Starting point is 01:56:35 I go, we have Sun Mountain Boy. So the rain gear, and they make rain gear? No. Yeah, I thought I had the names on them. We're thought to, um, so everybody's coming by and I have to look and they're with great pants in this shirt and that sweater blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, but the tiger comes out and got the wrong pants on. The tiger not wearing, that's the wrong pants.
Starting point is 01:56:57 He goes, they're the great ones. I go, whether it's the other great ones. And I will admit, they looked exactly the same color. Just a slightly different cut. We got to wear the other great ones. I mean, I'm some schmo goidos telling me I went up to wear. Can you imagine what Tiger Woods and having me tell you what you're not wearing the right clothes?
Starting point is 01:57:12 Could you imagine that? I mean, that's unimaginable. That could happen in the world. This guy is telling me I'm wearing the one pants. So he goes back and he changes. He's always the last guy too. So he goes back and changes and we get in the car and whatever we do whatever we do that day.
Starting point is 01:57:27 Second day again I'm sitting there and I got, I mean I'm like in the penalty box sitting in the corner or you know everybody comes out, tiger's last guy and he's got all the right clothes on. Beautiful. So now I'm gonna get, we go down the stairs, it's me and tiger and Steve Williams. We're gonna get the caddies run the other wing.
Starting point is 01:57:41 We get in the car. It's like a take us to the course. We're not, I think, a five minute ride. And I go tiger, you're wearing your white belt, right? And he goes, yeah, and I go, I need to see the belt, because he's got a sweater. I'm wearing the white belt. I need to see the belt.
Starting point is 01:57:52 And he kind of gets up out of the car, goes upstairs and switches, but Steve Williams is looking at me, he let knives are flying out of his eyeballs at me. He's wearing the wrong belt. He wasn't wearing the white belt. You did your duties well. So he had to run back up stairs and change belts. And.
Starting point is 01:58:09 That's why they put that. That's why they put you in the back of the building. Because I have that. I have that. Yeah. You know, if the holes cut in the wrong place, I could care less. But you know, the little things is driving bonkers.
Starting point is 01:58:20 To this day, you don't know why you were selected as an assistant. He thought, well, I think he was looking for, he looking, everybody has thought. Outside the box. Yeah. That was his thought process with me. I lied. One last one, Max Homa. This is Kim calling us after he had just won the Wells Fargo, feeling the emotions just a few minutes after
Starting point is 01:58:37 sinking the final putt and giving a shout out to the Fred X cup team. That is officially it. That's a wrap on 2019. We'll see you guys in 2020. Are you serious right now? I try calling you, dude. Are you serious? I called you and your voice feels full.
Starting point is 01:58:52 You got the wrong number probably. Are you serious? Did you just win? I do it. Yeah, I thought you were, I thought you were more mad about the pun. No, no, I'm just, are you kidding me? You just won.
Starting point is 01:59:03 Yeah, shout out big Randy. The team was making a comeback. But I gotta run, I don't know. He just wanted. Yeah, shout out big Randy. The team is making it come back. But I got to run. I don't know if you're with the boys, but tell him I said what's up. I'm going to run real quick. I'm in Philly. Let's chat tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:59:13 If you guys, I'll call you tomorrow. Just text. Get the right club, be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different.
Starting point is 01:59:35 Expect anything different. Expect anything different.

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