No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 269: Sentry TOC Recap

Episode Date: January 6, 2020

The chaos is here! 2020 starts with a bang as JT edges out Xander and Reed in a playoff as Reed gets heckled, the wind blows, and it got darker than our cameras made it look. We recap the crazy playoff, Reed getting treated with kid gloves, JT's nerves, Xander's wild three-putt, and everything else from a thrilling opening weekend.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang-Up Podcast. It was just gonna be, this is Sally here, what's just gonna be the C-suite doing this? We got TC across table from me.

Hello. Great to have you here. Angie Shoe, Neil, is in town and leaving very early for a trip tomorrow. And we didn't think we'd have him, but he's stayed away watching a lot of golf and now he's in. Concerned about missing flights. So here I am. I was going to pull like the early Bachman move where like the you know, start was going on inside your house, but instead I've decided to jump in and get involved.

All right. Well, maybe a stretch of a take there. Very disruptive. The chaos theory is bucking its head very, very early in the year. We had a whole bunch of things ready to talk about. I did not know that tournament was going to get that good. Looked like JT was going to cruise all the way to the finish line. I feel like he got a lot of, he just kind of lost his swing down the stretch. He just completely just looked uncomfortable.

For the moment that that putt lipped in that he didn't think that he thought he made, he didn't really seem to swing it very well. And I don't know about you guys. I wouldn't want to be hitting shots off of those lies at that golf course when I lost confidence in my swing. I actually thought the one that he hit, I think the second playoff hole,

the kind of the bad job that he hit up on the right, hit a super flat lie. So I didn't think that was actually a bad hit. You can't really get there. For sure, but that was actually one of the ones that he hit probably the best shot from. You know, some bad left misses there. Did that look familiar to you, Neil?

The first three when he hit into the ass, or the very familiar. He's put the left miss in place. The Twitter, the Cavalier police, were out very quickly and put very much to it. They were. They were. There was video evidence though.

I was just feeling what we could say at video evidence. You know, you got to ask the questions. I believe it was period point Blake that didn't cross there was the quote. Well, honestly, at first, we were both thinking the same thing, but you get an aerial, you see the bunker, there's a bigger cut in of the hazard, and then it kind of like,

cuts back into the fairway, so that it made sense to me. And there's obviously an element of shot shape to that. And we'll also, Azinger said immediately, he's gonna be dropping way back there, so that kind of feeds into people being like what? What what happened here? I don't know if we're taking everything Azinger says at face value. I think Azinger that's a separate conversation. Take that well we can circle back to I think Azinger is gonna get better as the year goes along because he's he's watched golf for a year now. It's true. I don't like senior as much as a lot of people do. We're not gonna do coverage stuff just yet,

but we're glossing past the best part of the day. Patrick Reed with a putt as the sun is setting. It's already set, it's dark out there. Don't bear the lead, this is the lead. It's much darker out there. It was way darker than the camera's made it look, but can you believe he almost was able to overcome somebody yelling cheater as he gagged a putt on the 18th green and the third playoff.

He, uh, you know, what a story about all those overcome is the All the adversity. Yeah, it's been a tough tough couple months for him going all the way back to the rider cup. That's right. I mean all the things that were brought on him totally not done by him himself and only himself. I will say the guy that you're a cheater, one he outed after the putt. We watched it a couple of times. He outed after the putt was gone. Well, after the putt, balls away, balls away. And I mean, that's that's kind of that vigilante that's fair game. It's a vigilante stuff. You're you got a you got a he's got to be ready for it, man That's that's a fact of life. He didn't get any punishment otherwise like he's a classy from the fan

No, but is he is you wrong? No, can we talk about the fact that yeah, Kessler tried to fight a fan at the most recent PGA toilet and got zero punishment on the bag Maybe he got fined. Who knows? Who knows what their jurisdictions like? It was in a different country. You know, I mean, maybe the PGA is maybe their hand are tied. I don't know. Interpol's involved.

Exactly. Like, there's a lot of moving parts, you know? It's international. If Kessler wasn't able to be there, how much, you just adding that to the list of things that Reed would have to have had to overcome. Exactly. Does the PGA Tour honestly, can they like suspend Caddies?

Is that a thing? I'm sure they could do something. Do something. Or they, I guess they wouldn't let him, Caddy, the final day. They could not let him on the grounds, right? Like, they credential everybody. Yeah. So they could pull it, they, of course, it's got to be in the contract somewhere.

Everything else is, right? Like, everything about video or any little minutia or ambush marketing. Like there's a cause for everything. There are army of lawyers. Well, why is the tour and the golf channel bending over backwards for read? Like why read?

Because everybody's a class act. Yeah, but like, unless you smoke pot or, no, no, no, no, no. Unknowingly take a ban. It's that. It's because he's in top 10 in the world. Because if you're in like the top tier, you're a marketable dude.

We'll just, yeah, we'll cover it up because you're making us money. But like if you're not and you do those things, it then be, you can be made an example of. I haven't got the keys in an example. Why isn't there been any commentary about the reaction to what has happened? I know we're making fun of this whole thing

of them talking about him overcoming stuff. Why isn't there anybody explaining how many people are out there, including players that are extremely suspect about what happened and have said things and are continuing to say things about it? Because the torch just expects everything to blow over, like it always does and everybody's a class act. You know what I think the sickest thing would be? Is if the European tour of which Patrick Reed is a lifetime member decided to indefinitely suspend him? Why is he a lifetime member? Your guess is as good as my name.

No, he was a European tour member. If you're a European tour member and you win a major, they make you a lifetime member. Really? Yeah. So let me ask you this, Sally, what are you looking for from the tour, like, for them to make a statement of some kind? No, like release a press release.

I'm talking about the broadcast right now. Okay, okay. The announcer's like, at least give both sides of the story. Yeah. So it's more on the coverage than it is. I thought a tour. announcer's like, at least give both sides of the story. Like, we saw. So it's more like, it's more on the coverage than it is. Like, I thought a tour.

It's two different conversations, I think. I think the tour is, the boat has passed. No, no, no, because I think the tour is leaning, they're leaning so hard. Like a golf channel in NBC. But at least the,

at least golf channel in NBC can present both sides of it very fairly. Oh, you don't have to say like, everyone thinks he's a cheater. All you have to say, like everyone thinks he's a cheater, all you have to do is present and say, he did some things, he's very questionable past, he has clearly, we had this whole violation, explain the violation, instead of acting like

it was just some horrible event that happened to him, explain like he made his bed here. Well, I think, I do give Azinger credit this week. I think Azinger's done a pretty good job of addressing the elephant in the room a little bit. While Dan Hicks just tries to make it as class acting as possible.

Do you think our so pre-production meeting Wednesday, they know it's on all the players. There's notes on read. I'm sure they have a paragraph or like bullet points on like hey Here's how here's how we want to address this. Yeah, I think it's just like is that is that influence It you think like from the tour from the oh there are new law like it's already in motion Yeah, well like it does fall downhill from straight up during during the president's cup week And I'm sure in the whole lead up to this there there were guys, like there were certain VPs of communications

from the tour watching every bit of live from and golf central and calling golf channel to complain and to advise like you guys better not, you know, you better not go down this road basically. I don't know. That's how much they're trying to control the narrative of, hey, let's just make everybody be quiet and make sure this goes away. And the more they do that, the longer it stays in issue. I know, but we're going to keep it alive.

The fans are going to keep it like, clearly somebody there at the tournament, like, somebody, I forget I just saw a million tweets go off when this happened, somebody said, imagine what happens is gonna happen in New York at the US open for reads, it's gonna be amazing. That's like the one time that I won a event. New Yorkers to actually be New Yorkers. Otherwise, it's a total novelty and you hate it,

but, you know, well, I mean, but if you look at, if you're looking at it from the tour standpoint, there's probably a million examples of stuff that they have, Barry, not Barry, but, I mean, but if you look at for if you're looking at from the tour standpoint, there's probably a million examples of stuff that they have Barry not buried but like said let's not talk about this anymore that did go away That's true, right? Because I think about it in the last five years There aren't more than a ton of outlets for people to like keep it alive if it wasn't live from or something on the golf channel It's very very so they you know the playbook may not be working anymore

But we'll see like I mean you could look the only example you'd have is like the coocher tipping stuff last year. And like that's still alive. It's kind of become like a, you know, a parody at this point. Like I don't know if it's still like, but that's not as egregious. I guess that had a six month life side. It's still growing. Like Rory shredding him at that one event. Yeah. But that's at least like good nature. Yeah, completely off course and no technical rules broken. It's like, no man, like there's a reason why everyone's upset about this. And who do we think is like on the wrong of this?

Every all of the people watching this or read? Like what do we think is wrong? I really want to talk about reads post-round interview. And just, he's like a cartoon villain. Like the way he, that's what they have to make him out. I know what he is the reality. I know. It's right there for you though It's there for you take his body language is he's like Dodgy eyes. It's unbelievable We're all black

When JT mr. I know it's crazy like he really can't help himself. It's crazy I think read and Bryson should team up to be the bash brothers I know it's crazy. He's like, he really can't help himself. It's crazy. I think Reed and Bryson should team up to be the bash brother. That would be, I mean, maybe somebody's, it kind of out there, maybe DJ said that it is, it feels like, with Reed to me, it feels like WWE. It really feels like pro wrestling, man.

What is it? It's like, what is the bad dude, man? What is Bryson gonna do to get the attention back on himself now? I mean, he's got a real the game has been up Read is the only one you think the Bryson shirtless pick is coming Right, I mean he's been lifting when's Bryson gonna play Tori is his first tournament I don't know is he playing Sony this week like I feel like he's been he's been in the gym a bunch You know trying to get to that like to what was like to 28. He's got a new website I feel like he's gonna probably in the gym a bunch, you know, trying to get to that like two, what was like two 28s, got a new website.

I feel like he's gonna probably give us a bodybuilding pick at some point in the next couple of months. Can we go back to read and talk about the lost ball, found ball situation? I think it was yesterday, right? On Saturday. Can we take a quick break to talk about Zander for a second? For sure.

And then we'll get to that. We'll talk about Zander. Zander played some golf this week. I feel like everyone was getting really amped up and it's everyone does this in the beginning of every season of like all right. No, so JT and Zander are going to win all the majors this year. But what is the realistic like projection for Zander this year? I think Zander's going to win the PGA.

Okay. I was getting ready. I think by the end of I'm guessing by the end of this podcast or next week we will have given out 12 major championships. But I'm willing to say I love that. I think that he's a great, great pick for the past. I also the way put the masters last year. I mean, and he did he's so solid, man, it's unbelievable. Like the way he hits those those three woods, like he did it last year to win here at Capulua. And then I just, like, Iron of the 17, it's kind of like the Stenson three wood, you know, that thing is just nuclear.

That's crazy. The only one I didn't, I was expecting him, I think it was on 15, the short four, the bunkers all down the middle. He had the good drive. He had the great drive, JT was in the bunker and then he kind of laid, you know, just shit, wedge shot and I feel that, man.

But I was like, genuinely shocked that that happened. That that transpired. I just, I love watching this tournament. I'll, we're gonna talk a bit about that. But how many different shots the guys have to play? But he seems, he doesn't seem on the surface to be the most like creative player. Like, he hits it really high

and it's kind of a formulaic approach. But his success at this golf course is pretty hard to ignore at this point. Well, the fact that he hits it really high and it's kind of a formulaic approach, but his success at this golf course is pretty hard to ignore at this point. Well, the fact that he hits it so high, but the, but plays well at such a windy golf course, I think, like, lends itself to, all right, the guys got some serious touch in artistry in this game.

Well, some would say that it might be because of a new Callaway prototype driver that he has in play. Shee-ee! These are two hundred is 270 episodes. I don't know how to do this now. He used it to win three matches for the victorious US team at the president's cup. He said he liked the prototype driver since the first time he tried it. It has served him well at Capelua this week.

So get this. He led the field in Strokes game T-Degrean and Strokes game around the green this week. We're using, you ready? Are you ready? The new Chrome Soft X golf ball. I don't know if you saw the triple track on there, but it is the new golf ball. He has the prototype. He has the prototype. He has the prototype golf ball. After his round on Saturday, he told PGA to radio, I'm using a new golf ball. It's Calloway's new Chrome Soft. I'm not even trying to solicit it. It's just, I feel more comfortable with it

because before I was a little worried with little half shots and spend now I'm more comfortable impressing the ball lower to the ground and not worrying about what it's going to do, either blow up or get too flighted. I'm comfortable with how I'm heading it, especially on the slide and just. And he's playing the crombs off decks.

The crombs off decks, the new one. Well, you know, it's not out yet. It's coming out though. Not the one that I play the same triple track Chrome SoftX. I'm trying to tell you that this ball is not out yet. You don't want to listen. I'm just making sure. You know, maybe I, maybe I'm getting the new stuff.

You're gonna get the new stuff here eventually. All right. You're gonna get the new stuff eventually. You can find all that information, all the what's in the bag information at kowagolf.com. Fair enough. I'll take your word for it. I'm trying to get you guys excited for the new equipment.

It's about to come. Absolutely. I was bummed, you know, I thought he was going to just vault into the rest of that playoff. He putted super well. The stat that Zinger threw out was right before he missed the putt on the last hole. He was 95% from inside 10 feet this week.

Can we throw that stat? I know that stat is so bad though. Literally said that. He said 100 to Tron, right? When he said, I was like, that is unbelievable. Neil said, we're for it. That's wild, man. I mean, that stat is meant for Neil though.

Why? Because he only had like, that stat means he was like nine, it's probably like all five footers. And so they just like, you got number. He just doesn't really, it doesn't really tell you anything. But they love that stat Listen, that's the kind of data analysis I need there you go. Okay, so I love see me I was I was

Calling off guard great inflation Well fair enough. I need to watch more golf. I guess yeah, he did out where they're I like reading me a straight You're kind of getting this right at the beginning of the season. The most exciting part of the PGA tour season right now. Sure. You're here for it. You're down at the killhouse. You're going to soak it all up with us and you're going to see why we get to that. Well, it was kind of sick when he said that and then he missed the putt. What did he do?

Oh, man. Did he chunk the putt on the the one from the fringe? Yeah, I think he had that he did not get good. There's the 18th green cap. Do we like it? It seems a little it's Mickey Mouse. I want want to say this I said it to TC as well and tell me if it's a bad take 17 18 They're they're like the same hole, but ones apart for ones part five like they look exactly the same from the blimp or from the aerial

They're pretty similar, right? So that to me. I don't really love that I like the 18th of fun hole to watch golf on, but I see what you're saying where, if you hit 20 yards in front of the green, it rolls the same way to the back of the green from all those, whether it's within a 20 yard wide dispersion of where that ball lands in front of the green, it still ends up in the same spot in the back left.

Unless you get gusted. Yeah, I'm not sure you gusted. Good call. So that what you just said right there is always my response for people that say they don't understand what the term shot value means. It's like, for that whole wide range to have the same result means the shot value

is somewhat limited in that. Now, I think there was just some randomness with the way the wind was blowing. It's a first year with all these grass. It's not a lot of growing. But like I'd say you're letting it grow in. But like JT's chip that stopped, we were talking about this, JT's chip that stopped from by the bleachers.

And Xander's putt that went. I know, that was crazy. They looked like they were the same, JT's looked like he was moving faster. And I don't know how JT stopped. And it was a little bit different angle, but still. And then Reed's, like, I thought Reed's was gonna stay up at the top of the hill

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Come on, man. It's also not the TC way. Yeah. So all right. So moving on, you wanted to talk a bit about read and the rules issue that happened. Can we first talk about the refinement of capital or the plantation course?

What did you think? Well, it was a renovation or restoration. Can we stop calling it a rejuvenation or refinement? There is a reason why it's called that. It was a rejoicing. Yeah. I think there's some political shaking moving around that comes with refinement. It deals with like the city government.

I can't confirm I couldn't be I couldn't tell you that listen for sure. Yeah, it's something along those So there's reasonably a lot they call it there's read on TV Well just because just because they're calling at that doesn't mean we have to call it well I like to stay on brand, you know they did some good work. Can I say this? I didn't watch a ton of, I watched the golf the last three hours. I didn't really notice a difference. So in that's a casual, the eye of a casual fan. Yeah, yeah.

So it's not, it's hard for me. And it's like, hey, what's the difference? Oh, the greens are, they're going to be a ton firmer. The course looked really soft, obviously weather related. But like to a casual eye, yeah, to a casual eye, it's definitely not. Maybe a 17, 18, or I guess 15 through 18 aren't a good indication. Maybe the, you know, what, restoration.

My biggest takeaway, it looks a lot less grainy. Yes. It's also, which, it's celebration, Bermuda, to celebration. It's celebration. But like, they did some good segments on golf central, like the 5'30 to 6'o'clock window with raw things sitting out there and talking about like all the changes that it made, changing the angle on six, what's the part, the big part three across the ravine,

like how they changed the angle, why they did it, and how it's better for amateur golfers, harder for pros, and like how much pinnacle space they added by flattening out some spots and helping to ramp up the green speed. I thought it was really good interesting. They put a sinline bunker there in the middle of the fifth fairway, which was kind of a dumb hole before that and make players think about going around. But are they going to take that sinline bunker out? I don't think they're going to. It seems to be, I didn't hear anyone complaining about the bunker.

What I loved was those guys, no, I think they all complained about it before the week. Did that? Yeah, that was like a big storyline going into it. And Wensloth and the tour people were like, we'll see how this goes. All right, we let them kind of have their cake over here. But in that golf, in that golf week,

column that Adam Schupack wrote, where I think 60% of the guys that were surveyed said they would have core and crenshaw design a course form and it's like, yeah, a lot of the same guys saying that are also skipping 24. That's correct. Yeah, so do pros.

I just don't think they were just, it was, I don't think that's different than designing a tournament course though. I do think that there is a difference there. Of course. Of course, a very fun to play, but a lot of guys don't compete on them. Especially the way the tour sets up. Yes, tourney fours.

Do the pro's just hate center line bunkers? I know Kutra does. What we're getting at. Well, the TPC Boston thing. I talked to JT a little bit about that this week. What do you think of the new bunker? He's like, it's a very very easy hole I think it makes total sense and he's like why are you asking I'm like oh you wanted the one in Boston taking out he's like he

was at Adam's like dude it was a great hole before that it just the bunker doesn't make any sense there blah blah blah and he's like it will die on that he's saying that it's a case by case it was like that whole specifically yes that bunker sucks yes he's not like people have made it out to be like he just hates all send line bunkers, but like, no, it's, and so then why do you think they're complaining about it this week? Because I didn't see, I didn't see, I didn't see the whole thing about them complaining this week.

But I was, I mean, I think that was in the lead up to where, how, how wide is that fairway? It's like 140 yards wide. If Luke Donald was in the field, he'd probably be calling Bill Korakak, which is speaking of fairway. That's a story that he hates people don't know. Yeah, please.

He just said, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you

know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, he's like, you're like, you know, he's like, you is like, it was awesome. I was gonna say that with the fairway though, like 18th in regulation when Jay-Z hit that drive, and it was like, oh my God, it's off the planet. It's still the fairway.

Not only that, it had like 15 yards. Like, it's like, oh, and then, he's gonna say that might be gone. He's like, oh no, he's fine. And it was like, come on, man. Neil, I think you would thrive at Capelua. That's what I'm saying. I was like, oh, that looks like a really appealing T-Shot for me.

That's what I don't understand about. Like, why does 18, even the T-Shot just messes with JT? Just aim down the left and you got the whole world to the right. That's what I think, like, you just look like his confidence was shook. Like, when you put it, make a cup, like, when pros have a couple left misses, it's hard to stand up and wail on a ball.

I would imagine. I mean, I, especially because you have to get there all the time. And so I mean, something, Azinger said that, it stuck with me, Patrick Reed, like it makes a six footer, so that's a $704,000 putt.

Like I think a lot of things change when that kind of money's on the line. I don't care how much you've won. I don't think Perot's get real nervous, like really nervous down the stretch when they're playing well. You just kind of blacked out a little bit. And I just think that JT was not playing well coming

on the stretch, trying to hold onto a lead and that's like the nightmare situation. Again, when you, especially when you can't hit shots on flat lies, if you're uncomfortable and that balls above your feet on a downslope and all that, I know thank you. I don't have to do it. The step through shot, I don't understand it.

I don't understand it. I know we're in all. That's the anti-left thing. That's what they were saying on the telecast. I think it's literally just downhill and you're keeping your balance as you can. I tell you what I do off that lie though. I start dipping my right shoulder so much in the ball just,

oh my god, it's an auto chunk for me. Oh yeah, trying to whale on a long iron or a wood, like no way. I don't even understand the physics of it. I know we've had our fun in the past with Mark Rolfing on his allegiance to Hawaii. I love Ralph Rolf. I do too. He takes it so well too. I love Rolf, Rolf. I do too. He takes it so well too.

I have a hard time not just like laughing along with him. It's become a bit. It is a bit. And he knows it. He's steering into it. He tagged us in the tweet that was like, like today, the plane was coming in from Molokai, wherever he's at. Yep, that's a nine-seater right there.

And there's a couch in the back. Man, you know what, it's Ralph, and I think Hicks said, Ralph, I don't know how you've done it for all these years. He says, man, it's tough to leave, but that flight home is really easy every time. He's the best. He can take a joke. He knows that he's steering so far

into the Hawaii bit at this point. And it's actually, if you do, like, if you look past the whole bit and everything, like it is very insightful stuff. All the stuff he knows about the course is nuts. I've got a bad question then. Go ahead. Why is he so associated with Hawaii?

Obviously he lives there. But did he not live there and then he just started living there recently? He's there a long time. He's part of the reason the tournaments, even though he helped convince them. I think he was helped build a core.. Yeah, he was like he convinced Cory and Krench. He is he is he's Kunu. Yeah. Okay.

For getting so emotional. He lives down near the beach. When he moved out there, stop wearing a watch. Did he? Yeah. That's sweet. Yeah. Well, so was he. No, was he like, was he a regular on the broadcast? Because he's not on the broadcast every week. Not every week, but he's, but he's, but he's just golf chance. Was he more involved before with like announcing? Like what did he like,

does he back to it? Yeah, was he like a weekly guy say like, you know, on six in the booth on 16 and then he's like, I'm gonna move to Hawaii. And he'll do golf channels some time. I don't, I never keep track of when people aren't there, but he's, he's on there. He's okay. I'm gonna move to Hawaii. And he'll do golf channels sometimes. I never keep track of when people aren't there, but he's on there. He's okay.

All right, yeah. But he is the writer cup guy too. Cause I've always kind of had that question. I know the Rolfing Hawaii, he always the Hawaiian guy, but I'm like, what, what, like, how do you get, you know? Well, I said, I guess you just live there for long enough. You talk about Kona wins enough. Well, great.

I tweeted a couple of years ago as I said, if if Rolfing was a vegan who did CrossFit, the first thing he would tell you was still that he lived in Hawaii. And like when I met Rolfing, he's like, I had a good laugh about the CrossFit. To eat like he gets it. He did on it.

Do you think they call him a howl? You remember that? Is that slang for? That's like a main lender that comes over. Kind of a derogatory term for, I don't know know he knows from Hawaii. He's been there long enough. I think he calls other people that It is my favorite ring. It's more the stony open when you get to it's like Thursday or Friday and it's like There's nobody really you know, there's one or two guys I scattered about Hawaiian shirts on just like oh my god I just remembered it's gonna be the return of the canoe jiff so week on pj tour the speed and smiley cough

No, what about for smiley? Oh my god But no the guys and the the guy you're like how did that guy? Like man, you know like when you live in New York City or it's cold and it's like How do I get to do what that guy, like, you know, it's like, he gets to hang out on the golf course on Friday, like, what am I doing in my life? Yeah, and shout out to Barry, because that's also become a new tradition.

Our guy, Barry, in Hawaii, he's, like, he'll be in the background of some golf shot this week wearing a no-language shirt. Scott is guy. Talk about, can't lay Talk about Katelyn. About Katelyn's scene on the 17th. What was that Friday night after dark? He sounded like Milton Lattemn's talking about my ties.

Katelyn's caught with a hot mic, saying, I've been waiting for this win for 40 years. These pampered fucks need to play. Okay, two more holes in its time for a my tie. And Katelyn,, doesn't even drink? And people are speculating that he was making fun of raw thing, I guess, but people on the ground are adamant that he, like as Cady was adamant that he wasn't. And I talked to one of the person on the ground,

I was like, no, he honestly was not making fun of raw thing. But I don't know, it's a weird moment. I don't know who he's quoting. They're telling some story. It's out of context, quote, but it was awesome. You said something on Twitter that was like, this is not going to be good for. This is why we can't have nice things.

We're not going to get much more mic'd up player conversation. But it's like, you guys, that's your fault. Like just don't, you know, just turn on, have someone monitored, turn on the right time. It doesn't always have to be live. It's my point. Yeah, true. I mean, you can record. If you get some good audio bits, like record, like hard knocks. It's like hard knocks. Yes. But you get the best dialogue on

shows. But the problem is the, you know, the tour is going to all that guy said something mildly insightful. Like, we're, there's no way we're going to let that air. I know. I, I agree. But if you're going to as long as you give the players the confidence that you're going to filter out all the things things that are gonna really embarrass them. Somebody said, if it's after 9 PM on the East Coast, all bets are off. I agree, of course they're not gonna agree with that, but I mean, NFL films is a good example

when it's really, really produced. I'll show you. But like NFL Mike Dup is never good. When it's like, you know, Russell Wilson, like, come on, come on, let's stay hot. You know, like it's just like this, you know, like, that stuff is never good when it's like Russell Wilson. Like come on, come on, let's stay hot. It's just like this, you know, like that stuff's never good. But the NFL films, the hard knocks, but that's almost after they went through

all the one-hours hours of it. The one thing that happened this year, when Sam Darnold, I think they're playing the Patriots, he was Mike Dup and ESPN had the sideline mic and he said, man, I'm seeing ghosts. They were like, why the fuck would you ever let that air? Like the entire Jets organization was livid, I guess. And it's a tough balance, I can see,

but I think that's a better, a closer and more realistic option than like, hey, mic up all the players and let them go nuts. It just goes back to something you retweeted this week, it was like, basically, it's endearing and interesting and just makes the game richer and more colorful. If you do let these guys have a little bit of personality and a little bit of honesty and authenticity to them. Whereas, it goes back to the tour thing, everybody's a class act, nobody's ever said a bad word in their life.

I totally understand golf channel or the tour, whatever, removing that from the replay of the broadcast. I completely understand. They remove the cantile part in when they replay the broadcast. That makes complete sense. It gets like FCC violation if you do that during the daytime. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

That almost is, I got, I really honestly don't have an issue with that, but like the point the Garrett Morrison tweet, I think I, you're talking about that, I retweet it was like the fact that they celebrated like the tour celebrated Reed making fun of like mocking the crowd and then act like this thing never happened is like, but can't least least got a 5k fine coming his way but that is well worth it. It's just such a he got some fans as we get it. It's such a variable for them that would yeah who out you know it's just would it's just something that keeps people up at night like what we don't know what they could possibly say so we're just like not gonna we're not gonna

we're not gonna do that it's it's really refreshing to know that, not hard to understand that, I guess. That can't lay is not like Patrick Bateman from, from, I think American Psycho. But I think can't lay just doesn't, I truly doesn't give a fuck. Like he really doesn't. And maybe we get this kind of post-hype sleeper emergence like Keppka.

Like they, eventually we're gonna find out that can't lay is actually pretty interesting if he decides like start letting it fly. Uh, going back to the, does the tour fine golf channel? I think they're finding them in the new, uh, TV rights deal, the $700 million. The tour, I was in the tour, find them, the FC, I would have to imagine like, you can't air F. I was gonna say like, like CBS and NBC crying, and crying poor and saying hey like this is not a profitable

Rye cast. Oh here's here's almost twice as much money Oh my god, we need to do a separate pod on it hasn't been announced yet It has been reported in this port's business journal that the PGA tour writes overall went from 400 million a year to 700 million a year So enjoy your commercials. Congrats to Big J for getting the bag. I mean, yeah. Well, I will, let's wait until the details are out officially. I hope they come out and say that they have a whole new plan for commercials. Do I think that's going to happen? Of course not. But let's give them the chance to at least come out with it. Quick point. Today did you notice that they had

like Mike Thomas, I think he was walking with Ben Crenshaw. First of all, Mike Thomas got so much airtime. Yeah. But I think he was walking with Ben Crenshaw and they just totally ignored district or any of the Crenshaw's crazy. Hot Lewis was like, yeah, Mike Thomas is out of here. Like yeah, that's an interesting tidbit right there too.

Next to them. Can we, I don't even know where to go. Maybe we did a lot of re, real quick on the broadcast. I just want to say how fun that event is to watch. I think 34 guys is a great number for a golf network to be able to kind of wrap their hands around it. And give them some space to talk about things.

You don't need to rush from shot to shot. You don't need to share all of them shot. You don't need to show. Well, they're all, and they're also relaxed. Yeah. They're all sluggers in his Hawaiian casual. He's not wearing his cowboy hat. It's a fresh off-a-way allotching. Yeah, honestly, they're talking about some inside jokes

and stuff and bones and then we're going back and forth on Thursday or Friday, I forget which day. And I was like, man, I'm listening right now. When you guys say, hey, he's got to, you know, when he's coming off the right and he's got to lead us out there. I don't listen. I don't hear it. So like, if you do some dumb stuff,

like I'm watching the screen. Well, TC called it out today too. They get some great camera angles coming in on 18. Like the low camera with the ball coming out, like slinging out to the, JT and the playoff. That's the one thing. That's the one thing.

That's the ocean out behind it. It's a good, I mean, it's obviously just a good looking course, but like the elevation change and they helps a ton with that. I wish they'd go with more super low camera shots. Like all the towers out there behind the greens are and it seemed like they're entirely too high and everything gets washed out and looks so flat. I said this after the presence cup. What's the one shot you remember from the presence cup?

Camera angle wise. I'll help. I'll help. I'll help. I'll help. I'll help. I'll help. the presence cup. What's the one shot you remember from the presence cup? Camera angle wise uphill, part four. Well, the camera angle, we were talking about from the present cup. The putt tiger head on the part. Yeah. With like the con. It's like you put the context back into it. You know, it strips all the context out when you're up above and you just see, you don't see any reactions, you don't see any to slope in the green.

You don't see the vista, the 40 mile vista out to mole, or whatever. I was going to say in the presence, it was the whatever that short part four is with the crazy blowup on current the left that the guys were. There's number six was the number six, I think. Yeah, and that just because of the elevate you like the camera was low, kind of behind them. And it was like, you know, you'd see it shooting up and then they'd switch it

and show you where it landed. Number six on the composite. Of course, number two on the way. But again, I think, you know, camera, height, but also like anywhere you can, showing the... That's part of the elevation. I feel like sometimes they're... With a ball stick.

They air so much on the side of being focused on being buttoned up and having these perfect stable shots. And sometimes it's like... It looks so much more authentic and real when you've got a handheld there and you're behind the guy or you're showing the crowd and a little bit of texture. They did a way better job of

cady conversations this week. That was, especially down the stretch. Like a clearly focused approach to doing that. I felt like we saw a lot of wolf and morocalo. And that's where like if the miced up stuff, like just stick with that. Like you can, there's not a lot of wolf and morocalo. And that's where, like, if the mic dup stuff, like, just stick with that. Like you can, there's not a lot of horrible things these guys are going to say, they're caddies, right?

And they usually know when, like, they're having, like, when they're talking about, they're talking about, like, the mics right on them. Like, they can see the mic right on them. It shouldn't be a surprise. But, but that's where I'd almost say, like, go with the mics on the player, but just, like, have an agreement with them where it's like, we're just here for the caddy conversation, or mic the caddy up,

and know that like, you know, it's almost like make the mic less of a intrusion, so that you're gonna get more, and then you can go, it's just another tool in the box. Can we talk about the read rules thing? I don't really need, I don't like,

we can't even go too deep into it because it wasn't it was just weird it was So like he hits his ball in like a hat in the penalty area or something to the left of They should put snakes in that high grass. It'd be sick. Randy said velociraptors and Reed It was just a weird situation. They looked for the ball for a while. Apparently a volunteer found it and moved it. And it was, it's just unfolded weird. And read said to Todd Lewis after the round,

the volunteer went to separate the grass to look at the golf ball and then the golf ball moved and sank to the very bottom. Like are we? So then, so then what did he do after that? Well, how did he know that? As read standing right next to the volunteer as the volunteer moves his ball and sees it stink to the ball.

Funny story. So Zach, when he was at the US Open this year, Pebble just lit himself on fire. In the midst of that, his playing partner, Alex Proop, stepped on his ball while they were looking for it and ended up finding it because he stepped on it and the rules official comes over and was like, yo, you have to recreate that lie.

And it's actually like, I don't know what the lie was. And he was like, well, you got to bury it down in there, man. Like, you got to make it is, like, it was probably pretty gnarly down there. And it was like, wasn't it the opposite if he stepped on it? Well, that's what we're saying. It's like, if you don't know what the lie was.

So the USJ rules officials were like, hey, man, you got gotta like basically make this, the assumption is that you had a bad lie and the PGA Tour rules officials were like, yo, the assumption is like, you had a, it was fluffy. It went over very easily, very quickly. This being, I don't know if this is the first rules incident

or ruling that read his head since then, I'll have to say about it is like, the benefit of the doubt is completely gone here. And the rules official spent like 10 seconds and came in and made a rule. Like, oh, yeah, you're good. He was just, hey, be careful in there. Read was talking about it being embedded or something.

And you're in the penalty area. There's no embedded ball rule. It was just weird and guess, I guess I got between the camera and the ball as read like, went down to go pick it up and everything. It was just, again Kessler got between the camera and the ball as we like went down to go pick it up and everything It was just again, there's nothing Noticable on camera that says for sure that anything happened, but considering all the background on it It was just so I think a singer's a singer did a really good job at that moment of saying hey like Patrick

Read needs to be careful here. He's I got the quote It's pretty important for Patrick Reed to get it right at this point in his career and he's going to have to get it right for a long time to come. We're going to watch him like a hawk with the cameras. That's as aggressive as they were willing to get. Of course, you're supposed to get it right

at this point in your career. And every drop of your career is kind of the point. So I just wanted, because I didn't see any of this, he was in a hazard. Yeah, penalty area. Penalty area, excuse me. Volunteer found his ball, moved it while he was moving the grass. And then he got it dropped.

What happened then? It's like put it back from the bottom of the reads up into like a better lie because the volunteer moved it and it went to the bottom. Because he's a class act. So he claimed, like the, the, the, he was a very confused look in his face. But it was very,

in a penalty area, like with, was that in a penalty area? It doesn't matter if you're, if somebody kicks your ball, or something happens, you get to, even in a create the lie. Okay. I don't know how anyone knew what the lie was. And yeah, so again, this is not the same as what happened in the past.

Well, the rules officials are all in Mahalo. You know, they're in their SSBDs. They're probably like, yeah, for sure. Come on. And then, and then after that same round, Todd Lewis walks up and, and Reed gives him just the biggest load of jargon about, you know, like, like, Hey, Patrick, last question. I got to ask you about the president's cup and everything you've been through since

the hero world challenge and all that and reads like, yeah, you know, just amazing going to play for your country and going to battle with your boys and all that. Well, so I want to know if how closely read follows everything that's been going on with the United States and the international foes in recent weeks because he sounds like he's ready to sign up when he says, I think the biggest thing is just enjoying going to battle, especially with my team fighting for my country and play for the red, white and blue, especially with those guys down there

for the captain to believe in me as well as the team to believe in me to be a pick but also go out early and earn a point. It meant a lot. The fans were hostile as you'd expect, especially going behind him, enemy lines, but at the same time, I loved the game of golf. I never would have missed it. Patrick should go over to... It's WWE.

Yeah. He's just a... Patrick should go over to the Saudi Arabia event, which is now presented by Softbank. Really? You're Chinese boys, yeah. Japanese boys. Sorry, Japanese boys. And then do a corporate outing in Iran.

Is that my name? With Softbank? I saw it on the Euro tour schedule today. That's powered by Softbank. Can we slide on a bit from the century and please talk about the new handicap system real quick? One thing on the century this really really just Pissed me off today Can we talk about they had a ten-year extension to the deal really?

They're side through 20 30 Martin trainer finished dead last by eight shots 33 shots off the lead. 64,000 dollars. You know what, the money's whatever. He earned it from, yeah, it's tournament champions. He moved up 39 spots in the FedEx Cup this week by finishing dead last. That's tough scene.

Well, I mean, granity moved from like 225 to, you know, 186, but he got the equivalent points. It like it doesn't matter if it's the tournament of champions or he got the equivalent of 30th place, 30th place or whatever. 30th second place or whatever. Like they don't make any any, you know, uh, change between this and a normal regular. She don't just trying to get you to notice that. She talked about the FedEx cup. You fell for it. You fell. I would say this about the century extension of all the tournaments. I think this is one of the best ones

for a sponsor. I think about like, I remember Hyundai, like Mercedes, you remember, it's first term of the year, golf hasn't been, you know, very relevant for most fans for the last couple months. And it's like, I think it's a very good brand awareness thing. So I'd completely, like, I can see. I can see yours. That's a long time.

This struggle partners for, which on the flip side, after everything that's Sony, like there's business has been in the tank forever. They had the hacking thing, all that stuff. They have never wavered from the wildlife event. And I know it makes sense because, kind of halfway between the US and Japan, but it's like, man,

that's some pretty, that's some pretty remarkable consistency from a company that's been embroiled in some deep shit for a while. Can we please tell what the handicaps system I'm so excited to. Do you have any Advil? Because a preemptive league is going to make my head hurt. Just the handicaps system? Yeah.

I actually think we can kind of explain it that where it makes sense. What do you know about it? Well, I read the piece about like maybe what the issues with it would be. Where do you keep your handicap? MGA, Metropolitan Golf Association, unfortunately. It charged me like, you know, 90 bucks a year.

90, Jesus. 40 in a lot of places. But, you know, hey, New York crisis. They send me a quarterly magazine. Do we get charged? Like, how does that work? Like, they send me a quarterly magazine. Do we get charged? Like, how does that work? Like, we get charged through. I think you would get charged, yeah, through.

I don't know. I don't know exactly how. It's like an e- it's an e-club. So they only have TC pays for golf. I could also play in some of his, you know, dumb tournaments or whatever. But, and no offense, the MGA tournaments, no offense anyone. So you can't keep it at flushing meadow, pitching plunge. No, they're not.

They don't have a G. All right. So the key components of the new handicap system, which if you're listening to this, I think it's going to come live here Monday, January 6th here. It might be live right now as we're recording this at 12.09 a.m. But so the key components, it's eight of your last 20 scores instead of your, instead of 10 of your last 20.

Now, I got some of these quotes. This is from the Ryan Harrington's article from. Now, I got some of these quotes. This is from the Ryan Harrington's article from Golf Digest talking about all the changes. He quotes Steve Edminson, who is the USGA director of handicap and course rating and saying, it allows for greater responsiveness to good scores and rewards more consistent play. First question, how does removing two scores from counting reward consistent play? It seems like it doesn't reward consistent play at all. Yeah, that would be seemed like the opposite. And the it's 1209 on the 6th the app is not working. So I assume it's like 8 a.m. Yeah, it might be. But So yeah, I don't I don't understand the first part going from 8 8 of I I've always hated that it's like 10 of 20 because I'm I feel like I'm a pretty streaky player. Yeah, and

I I've always hated that it's like 10 of 20 because I feel like I'm a pretty streaky player. Yeah, and I Just feel like the handicapped system takes advantage of me a little bit and when you're when you go out as a zero and shoot 82 It sucks. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing, but I don't know that that's that's the first one The index is update overnight now not every two weeks. That's gonna be a disaster for like trying to flight every two weeks. That's going to be a disaster for like trying to flight a horrible. Yeah. Because basically for turn, I mean, I get it for every day play, but for tournaments. I think like member stuff. There's going to be a cutoff or something. They have to set it and forget it. I think it is, it is nice to like open up. You also got to be like very, which you should be anyway, obviously, but sometimes you forget to log your scores. So you know, you plug it in a couple days later, whatever. That's my big thing. That's going to change

some stuff too. Like people aren't going to, a lot of times, you won it in a couple days later, whatever. That's my big thing. That's going to change some stuff too. Like people aren't going to, a lot of times people won't post it right after they play. Yeah. You know, they forget to do it or whatever. They keep crowing about this, this whole, you know, oh, well, if it was a tough day out there, it's going to take that into account. So that's the next one playing conditions calculations. Which I thought was a cool idea. But then red and article, it was like, well, what if it's, what if it's windy in the morning and perfectly sunny? Like it was a cool idea, but then Red and Hardcore, it was like, well, what if it's windy in the morning and perfectly sunny?

Like it was a jack speech yesterday. Or, you know, rainy and then it's windy. I think in general, that's gonna even itself out. I don't think somebody's gonna play on the bad side of a draw. You just got a bad draw. You got a bad draw. Yeah, true, rubber the green.

But like if the people that are the people that play first off, like every morning, and it's warm, if you live in a warm climate and you're like one of the people that play first off like every morning. And it's warm. And if you live in a warm climate and you're like one of those guys that goes first off and you have no wind and you have no one holding you up and like you can zoom through the course. Like that's gonna, I don't know.

I don't know. I'm willing to let this play out a little bit but I'm suspect based on one of those. You sound like the UK and Ireland. Yeah. Supposed to be the world handicapped system. That's why, yeah, we're just gonna wait and see. It's like the whole thing was to unify this

and get the UK and Ireland on board basically. And then now it's like, all right, we're the guinea pigs. We're gonna eat the shit for a little bit on it. And I think the biggest problem is they've been totally, pretty usual, they've been totally ham-fisted about rolling it out to individual stake-off associations. Like I retweeted that article from golf digest,

the one that we're referencing, and had no less than like four or five different people who, you know, club pros, state golf association, like director of competitions in the southeast, actually multiple reached out and they said, like we've been totally in the dark, there's been zero communication communication the USG. You can up on it. But those guys are are those guys on board those are the guys that are supposed to be implementing it

Yeah, on a day-to-day basis and directing their like like the Georgia State officers like those guys are supposed to be helping their Thousand or whatever member clubs implement it and they're just as in the dark as we are So here's the the the two that are the most troublesome, I think, about this, about the new system. And this new concept of net double bogies being your max score. So like, depending on your handicap range,

if you're like a 10 to 19 handicap, the max score you can take as a seven. If you're above that, max score you can take as an eight. And if you're like anything nine or below, you most you can take as a eight. And if you're like anything nine or below, you most you can take like a double bogey for equitable stroke control. Which actually I made a triple, like a net double the other day,

and I had to go back and correct the score. If you get a triple on a hole that you get a stroke on, like that is now your max. It's like helping better player sandbag. Pretty much. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Say that to me one more time. So like it's really going to be confusing for people because if you're getting a stroke, you're the maximum score you can take on it now is gross. Like a so it's a par four, but you're getting a stroke. Yeah, you're maximum you can take used to be a six. Yeah, now it's a seven Yeah, if I'm getting a stroke based off of yeah, like your handicap. Okay, so if you're a five handicap

So the fight and I'm and I'm playing the second hardest hole in the course. Yeah, so now my I Could get a triple there correct Because it's a net double correct So people are gonna have to like be very conscious of where they got when they're already pissed off and don't care Yeah, you can have to remember well, which I do think the new scoring entering depending on where you enter your scores You are either allowed or encouraged to enter whole by whole scores Are they gonna use like is that part of the reason are they gonna use that to help handicap like or re handicapped some courses? I would hope so I don't I'm. Okay, so but then that's,

like I had an app before where the only way you could plug in your scores was whole by whole. And I found that to be so annoying because of like, I'm trying to post my score two days later. I remember what I shot. I don't have a score card on me. So now I can't plug the score in because.

I think you can do either or. I don't think you have to do hope. Thank you. That's all I need to do. I would ask this. That's gonna, that is such a turn off. Like I know you should post right after you play, but sometimes it just, it doesn't happen, right?

Well, here is where things I think get the most wonky. And so this guy, Dean Knuth, as soon as I say it, wrote the article for Golf Tigers. To be fair, he sounds like Dean had quite a lot to do with coming up with the current system. Sounds like he actually made the current system. Dean Ween. He has what he calls serious concerns with some of the details of the new system in an

effort to create a one size fits all process. Every golf association can accept. I believe the World Handicap system is a downgrade from the old USGA system. And he gives a lot of reasons why, but one of them being, so you used to come up, a lot of people don't do this properly. I just learned how to do this this year. So I'm not preaching from this, but your course handicap is your index

times the slow rating divided by 113. That's how you come up with like, hey, this is how many strokes I get from these T's. That's the last question. You never know how to do that? No, I never know how to do that. But that until I read this. Yeah, cool.

And also, if you have the gin app, you can also choose a course and T's and it will calculate your handicap. I knew that. I knew that. I used to do that. But that's how I did it. But I never knew the one 13 thing.

So now it's the same thing. Handicap index time slope rating divided by one 13. Follow along if you can. One 13 point part. it's like golf pie. So the formula part's gonna be hard. That's a great day. It's gonna be hard to follow here, but then you also add the course rating minus the par.

Okay. So basically what this is gonna do is cause a ton of variability between the amount of strokes you get from one set of tees to the other. So I looked it up at Jack's Beach, the gold tees are something along the lines of just under 73 course rating. So if my... So is it really a four stroke differential between the two sets of tees?

So it's like three, it's like three strokes. It's high 69 for the blues and high 72 for the goals. But so what that does, you take, but it's a par 71 course. So like, let's take your index times the slope, whatever, you take the course rating and then you subtract the par. So we play goals and let's say it's just say 73, but it's par 71. You are automatically just adding two shots to whatever your course handicap is for playing the gold tees.

Now, T-8 forward, guys. If we played the blue tees, which is like a 69 and a half for a par 71, you take your index and you just subtract off 1.5. Like random, like par, we've talked about par this many times, par is irrelevant. Very relevant. But apparently with the new system, we're bringing we've talked about par, as many times par is irrelevant. Very relevant. But apparently with a new system,

we're bringing par in for some reason, which course rating has already factored in the difficulty of the golf course. The par of it means absolutely nothing. So like everyone having to change their index. Well, and it totally goes against the entire ethos of what the yes she has been trying to advertise of Haiti it forward. Like they're basically saying basically saying if you want like if you want more strokes

and you drive the ball relatively well, T. at back. Yeah. And this guy argues basically the part is so arbitrary that adds nothing but noise to the calculation. For example, where once a course handicap was a 12 from the back and middle tease and an 11 from the front under the new calculations, there would be much larger variations as many as 18 shots in some instances between T's, which I don't know where he gets that math. That might be like legitimately the biggest ends

of the spectrum possible. And I don't think a lot of people are playing, you know. It's five or six, like. so go back to say, for instance, when we were doing Taurus Sauce season three and we're figuring out how to, you know, which, like, which T's to play at Pasatimpo or which T's to play at Harding Park, it's gonna be who've, it's gonna be who've me to take us back as far as possible.

Like me, me being the higher handicap is gonna, it's gonna be who've, like, let's say, you and I are gonna want to keep us back as far as possible. Like me being the higher handicap, it's gonna be who've, like, let's say you and I are playing this whole thing. You're gonna wanna keep moving back to me. I'm gonna wanna play the freaking championship tease. No, you're just gonna wanna play whatever I play. Like there's no advantage. Like if you have a higher, a mid handicap,

or a low handicap, there's no advantage. There's no handicap. It's not gonna wanna move up a box. Exactly. Like you're gonna like play back a box to play because you're gonna get more shots out of that, compared to, yeah, up a box. Exactly. You're going to play back a box to play, because you're going to get more shots out of that compared to, yeah, there's just not nearly. It's overfactoring the T-boxes.

Is there a reason in there for why the USJ brought par into this? I don't know of a reason. In this example, again, you, a scratch golfer are no longer zero handy caps everywhere So basically if you're zero no matter where you you take the handicap, like you're gonna be like a zero Yeah, actually Because you like doing the math on the part the one third the slope rating like zero times whatever You could be anywhere from a plus 12 to a six handicap On to the new system on a, depending on what T's you choose.

That's how it reaches. Which again, it's extreme. It's extreme. It's extreme. But it's still the you just play a par 72 course that's course rated 60 to be a plus 12. But yes, which is insane. But basically, things are gonna be changed.

So in other words, one of the courses that they're playing on strap. I didn't want to say. I didn't want to say. I'm kidding, Neil. I knew we were gonna go there. I knew it. Here's an observation of all this.

Personally, I never really understood the handicap system to begin with, and it's flaws. So I think the USGA just has a tough time even explaining the basics of it, and like, kind of uses the, oh, we want to get everybody included, like, you know, the UK and Ireland aren't involved, but then they just can't explain this stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, kind of explaining why they're doing it. It's like, to UK and Ireland aren't even on board.

Not even on board. And that's the whole point. That's the whole point. What are we even doing this? The whole overall point is like, all right, yes, if this is totally implemented successfully, people from the US will be able to play against people from the UK and Ireland much easier.

Which seems like a very small, sample size of people. Yeah, like anybody that's playing like friendlies across the pond are professional golfers, right? Or your, or your West hardened from Greenfield. Yeah, yeah. Or like a very small subset of like international members in Ireland. Like I don't know. It did, doesn't seem like the real problem that needed to be solved. I do want to see it roll out. It also says in the original article that do not expect your handicap to move,

but your index to move by more than point 1 or point 2. Like it's not gonna blow up your index. However, the applicability of it, and I wonder people you're gonna know to do that. But that's what I mean. I don't think people use, like you're saying all this stuff. I'm like, man, I didn't even know that's how, that's usually like when I go play with friends that don't play a ton of golf, it's like what's your handicap? It's this. All right, cool, you're getting all this stuff, I'm like, man, I didn't even know that's how, that's usually like when I go play with friends

that don't play a ton of golf, it's like what's your handicap? It's this. All right, cool, you're getting five strokes from me. You know, you're getting whatever, it's really like, I think, it's almost just like a benchmark thing. Randy will be a very good person to,

we can calculate his handicap the old way and then his handicap the new way because he'll have a couple of 74s on there. But Randy's like, is one of the people that will pay the highest price, I think. Exactly. Because like he's going to have to move back boxes or give up a lot of shots. And like he doesn't hit it that far. So he actually loses a lot of shots moving back.

I don't know. Maybe it'd be an interesting case study. All right. We're going to do a couple. We got a lot of good tweets, a lot of questions. And then we're going to wrap it. It is getting pretty late good tweets, a lot of questions, and then we're gonna wrap it. It is getting pretty late here. Tommy Tuputs, one of the best Twitter handles.

What's more likely to happen this year, Brookswin multiple majors, the Torin Vorses, enforces a slow play penalty on a non-Asian amateur. Reed gets caught cheating again, and the Stratboys hit the mega bonus. What's most likely? Most likely? Define caught cheating. Cause he got caught cheating last time. What's most likely most likely to find caught cheating because he got yeah caught cheating last time

But no, but well, but they did he really get caught cheating caught cheating Megabones My as as the franchise once told me film vote for yourself who should for navigate for MVP all right, so megabones all day I bet they I bet they enforce slow play on somebody. Do they have, are they ready with like the appenalty system now? Like they're gonna hit somebody who will go on over 40 being out of position? I think that that's under the current rules

that's the only way they can do it. If you're out of position on the clock and you take over 40 seconds first shot, which seems like a weird flex at this point, I would think. I bet they do it, just to say hey look at us We're we're enforcing the rules The first time ever what if that guys kids don't get to go to college because of it Who can say? I know?

God said I would hate to see that it would be just heartbreaking, you know even even Martin trainers feature children are going to college So you're saying it's likely they enforce the slow play he is I think the most likely thing is That the strap was at the megabones. Oh come on. So you're you're the scummy courses. You'll go to your shorting Brooks I don't think he wins multiple majors. All right Brooks Brooks is listening guys. Yeah, oh no Here it comes. Uh-huh. So Kumbha Very very shots a berry Wendy and Soft at Wildlife today. JT pulls a Jimmy Walker circuit 2015. It cleans up the Hawaii swing, right?

After what he did in the Hawaii. Mr. 257. I bet I would, I would, he would be my, I didn't tell anyone this, not a single soul this week, but he was my pick to win this week. And I would think he, I think he's gonna win again this week again.

That'd be sweet. I've been telling ZB, he should just go ahead and win while I get it over with. Lock up his card for a couple of years. Yeah. That'd be great. Let me sec. Great, great track for him. Ricky Lagoon's, so this broadcast has been kind of good.

Is it Ralph? The no-cut limited field? Hawaii prime time? Is it okay that Zinger is growing on me while acknowledging he says weird and dumb things? I saw that tweet. I agree with all the things he said. I agree with you.

I think he just basically wrapped it in a bow what we just talked about. Zinger kept talking about the corner office earlier. Which is basically the cease-weat. I didn't watch a ton of golf this week, but I heard like, I think three different times, Zinger talked about Matt Wolf lifting his left foot. Yeah, watch this right here, watch him lift his foot. Am I watching a replay here?

All right, this is always one of my favorites. We got to do as early in the year as possible. B stakes, no BS. Number one ranked player in the world on 12, 31, 2020. Number one ranked player in the world at the end of this year, yeah. You guys are looking at me like I gotta go first. I'm gonna say the make rib. That was gonna say make rib too.

Say something, say something crazy, Neil. No, honestly JT after the stats I just saw about the youngest player, him, Jack, Sam's need and Tiger to win, what is it? 29? No. How many tournaments? He's won 12 tournaments now 12 before the age of 27 That's that you've shared earlier on Twitter about It basically detonating speed. Yeah, I didn't mean it

It puts him perspective. It's well JT's last six starts. I'm excluding the hero challenge on her throne But he was win T3. I lost the page, but like T17 win T4 win. And Randy says he's not a killer. Well, but it's cool. And he won today, Ugly. He's won running away. He's won Ugly.

It's almost like he's just getting more and more comfortable doing it. Like I would say, I'd say JG. Yeah. The best SM Elliott 11, best hole at Capelua. I want to apologize earlier. I said 15. It was actually 16. I was talking about the par four with short par four. That's a GC away. That's that boy. What's your favorite hole at Capelua? I think 16. 16. That false front. And then when they put the pin up front Right over the false front, but then you can use this slope right behind the pin. That's dope. I love that Do you have an answer now? It's 17 and 18 because I will put the same to me

Because of the same because they're the same halls. I like the 11 the par three. That's cool. It goes down the hill That's a really cool. I think I see shanks does the PGA tour golf need to always have a villain like Patrick Reed. I think we kind of come up with that. Yes, yes, it helps. And I hope he continues to wear black on Sundays. He's the undertaker.

Ben Abraham J. Who's the best player going into 2020 that no one seems to be talking about, also shout out to all the nesticles out there. Right. Is that what we're calling them the nesticles out there. Right. Is that what we're calling them? Nesticles? I guess, apparently. Nestians.

Best player that nobody's talking about. I have an answer for this. And I said, I think on the last pot as well, or the one with Porter, it's John Rom. Yeah. It's the forgotten man. He's been so good. Second half of the year was unreal.

He won the race to Dubai. It's not a secret to anyone across the pond, but I feel like he's kind of gotten just kind of forgotten about on this side Hmm, I don't know I'd have to watch more golf dance for that question I thought that's where that was good in. Yeah, I'm not gonna no take because I don't have a good one Like I don't like him and you know, I'm not proud to Paul Morgan Stanley. Oh, good answer. But I feel like I haven't heard about Justin Rose in, oh yeah, at least six months. Yeah, that's kind of like career though.

Like, yeah, he's always been like that. I kind of forgot about him. Um, I think that's a pretty close to being it. You guys have any. I had there was one question in there that said, it was a question like, why does Hawaiian clothing get so much, like Hawaiian shirts, get so much love? It's like, can we spread that around

like other parts of the country? I thought that was a good take. But do other parts of the country have their own shirts? That's why I was kind of thought provoking because then I was like, I had to start thinking about it not really, but what if maybe other regions should like develop their own clothing? Did you like Rick's outfits all week?

Rick, Ricky Fowler? Rick Fowler. Yeah, for sure. What's not to like about pineapples? BDR, big degree. Yeah, but I thought that was just a thought-provoking question and I wanted to shout them out for that. One thing I had to add, I was just poking around a little bit. Tonight I was curious if the A, if they were doing the A

on Risk Rural or Challenge again this year, B, if the A on Risk Rural or Challenge Hole at Capilua was 18, because how would you handle that if the guys were playing it over and over again in a playoff? But it was actually, I think, 14 is the A-on-R-Score Challenge Hall. Then I saw Jason Day is leading. Jason Day and Kierdeck, Opipon, or leading at 1.500 par on the A-on-R-Score Challenge Halls. Jason Day has 10 rounds.

Yeah. Opipon has four rounds qualifying. So Jason Day is getting ahead of it. So he can shut it down early. I can see it now. It's coming from past. I was gonna say, why are you calling out the A on risk or a challenge to art?

It just stuck out to me. But yeah. All right. Got some agency person is just loving that last part of the tape. Did you hear him call it out? You're John Carter, call it. On the No-Langup podcast.

He's pimping us, man. I have one question, because I'm curious, because it's gonna be very different answers from both of you guys. Who do you think has the better season out of Morikawa, Havland, Wolfe, or Walkie Neiman. I want to burn on this. I want to spend some extra time on this in the future.

I was thinking to answer that question about the best point I want to talk about was Walkie Neiman going into the presence cup I felt that way. I was like, man, this guy is like unbelievable. But then, you know, they're analyzing his golf swing, talking about how it's probably not very consistent, like with how he moves his head and stuff. I think, and then, I mean, I guess you could say Wolfe is unorthodox too. Haven't seen Havon play and feels like six months, I don't know.

He's, he's, he's resting right now. He's going to be back in, I think it's Hoffman. I think Hoffman is big as me. I'd say, but Wolf is, I'd say Wolf is gonna be, I'm gonna say Morricawa. Okay. Wolf is gonna be better than I think. People think he won last year on tour, but he's like literally,

he should be in college, right? Yeah. And we're gonna like watch him play out his junior year on the BGA tour. I think all these guys should be in college, right? Yeah, Neem is 20. Yeah. Yes. If I have all these guys should be college, right? Yeah, Neem is 20. Yeah. Yes. If I have any concerns about Morricawa, it's that he's too polished. It might be too good.

Also, I just, I was, I'm kind of flummoxed by Zander, like not executing there at the end. That was weird. It was bizarre. I know he looked so solid up until then. It looked like he was just there at the end. That was weird. It was bizarre. I know he looked so solid up until then. It looked like he was just... That was out of... It fell out of character. It's not like we've seen Zander. We saw him do it here last year. It got busted on. But it's almost like we expected him to close, even though the body of work isn't there. I put it in my notes. put in my notes, like, I'm always so impressed by chocolate when he's under the gun. He's so steady and totally in control. And that was after, you know, I think he's still worthy.

He just three putt. He looked like, I know we're kind of laughing about it, but if a guy's saying he got gusted on, like that ball, that pro does not hit it but that far past, like something weird happened there. It's new, new grass, I don't know what to attribute it to, but that was really weird. I liked his post-run interview, too.

He's like, I should have won that tournament. Everybody knows I should have won it. I like Shoffley. Well, I think he blew that one put the first equal put by just because he's trying to make it. Answer this as quickly as you can. Okay. How many Ryder cups has Andrew Shoffley played in? One.

Zero. Oh, crap. And that nuts. That he wasn't in Paris. That's right. I feel like guys always play in more presidents cups than you would have ever imagined and far less Ryder cups. Because they'd never take rookies as cat and picks for Ryder cups.

All right, cool. Let's wrap it up. We're going to be hitting the West Coast swing,, the West Coast swing hard and heavy here in the next couple of months. Uh, good to get it started here. Safe travels to the Strat boys, uh, heading out somewhere. Listen, that's private. That's private.

Make sure you take your CBD, Randy, Randy Snores. Yeah, that's true. Can't tell if people were going on Strat. Now they're going to be riding. I didn't say you were going on Strat. I said, I said, you're blowing our covers, man covers man to the strap boys. You just blew your own cover. We're not going on strap trip Finally here. Okay, I'm gonna see here rabbit at that cheers exit to her name Right club beat a right club today

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