No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 277: Waste Management Recap

Episode Date: February 3, 2020

Webb Simpson edges Tony Finau for his 5th PGA Tour win, and we go deep on why Tony doesn't win more, why people find it hard to root for Webb, and what makes the Waste Management a fun event to watch. Randy and DJ go on the offensive about Finau, while Soly remains loyal and faithful. We also get Big Randy's thoughts on the Premier Golf League (47:00), discuss Rory's recent interview (58:00), and take listener questions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I Give the right club be the right club today That's better than most Better than most! Oh! Oh! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast. We are skipping the Super Bowl to bring you this heat.

Big Randy is saying to my left tonight. Good evening. All fired up about, uh, we're going to find out here shortly. Mr. DJ Pie, here as always. Hey, greetings. Can't get rid of you. Um, do we want to talk super? Well, because it's already happened. About a time this goes up. I literally asked somebody earlier in the week who was playing. I don't think anyone would have any any, uh, analysis from me.

I'm thankful they dedicated a decently sizable part of the broadcast today to talking about what the golf commentators thought was going to happen in tonight's game. Shout out to, uh, Frank Novela, who predicted a 16 12 score. Chiefs win. That's a just a safe pick. We, which could have been a, I thought it was not. I think it had been just a massive middle finger to like, why are you asking me to do this? Which is what I'm hoping for.

V2. I'd be remiss if we didn't start the show by wishing the happiest of birthdays to Mr. Lance Perro. We should spend the most important part of the podcast. I was gonna say they almost forgot. They had to wait till the 72nd hole to... And they almost forgot to mention that it was a palindrome that February 2nd was a palindrome. So, listen, let's not do CVS stuff.

This is what we've been saying for two years. It's like this was the first tournament anybody watched this year. I got so many messages like, man, is the coverage always this bad? What's going on? Like, wake up guys. This is what we've watched this year. I got so many messages. Like man is the coverage always this bad. What's going on? Like wake up guys. This is what we've been talking about.

Welcome to the party pal. This is what we've been talking about. The best part that I was like yeah, Hudson Swaffer needs all the FedEx cup points to keep a status. Did you know that it's a palindrum today? I still don't know what he needs. Like I don't know. Who could possibly say it?

Do you guys know when the next palindrum day is after today? 12 to 21? No, that's not right. You're close. Really? Yeah. 12, 12, 21, 21.

So 101 years from now. Oh wow, how about that? Shout out to squeeze that in. That's great, thank you. That's great, thank you. Web Simpson wins the wasteaste Management in dramatic fashion. Do you guys want to go first on Fienaude? Let's start with Web.

Okay. Web, what a win. It was. I think we've just questioned cold-blooded killer. I don't think it's well, not a killer. Extremely loaded question, because you know that we put people into two categories of killers and dogs. Classic two categories that you know.

Or neither. Or neither, yeah, so really three categories. And there's some house cast as well. We don't have to name any names. But there was some spirit of debate on whether web is a dog, which I, he's going to get his open and shut case that he's clearly a dog. He's someone who's just going to,

he's just going to nip at you until, he's just gonna keep going until he gets, you know, I'm gonna say until he gets the job done, he doesn't really get the job done a ton, but that's what makes him not a killer. Six PGA Tor wins is a lot. It is. You know who he passes.

Oh! Didn't see this one come in. Did that, was it Bryson? Is that what you're gonna get at? Exactly. You're a boy. Well, no, to be fair, we got to air him out a little bit. Tron was the one who was pushing back

against the idea of what being a dog. He said he had dog tendencies. Sure. But at the end of the day, not a dog. I think it's, he's definitely. He's so open and shut. Yeah. Like, I think we, we, I'm speaking for myself,

I've been putting off just proclaiming, shouting from the rooftops for a long time at like, how good Web is. He's really, really, really, really good. And the fact that this is his first win since the players in 2018 is is pretty alarming. Which we've been on this actually. We are never on this before it actually happens. So, hey, look how many top finishes he's had in recent months. He's been all over the place. Just hasn't won. And it almost seems like glance by feel like Adam Scott became the poster boy for the anchor band. And really I think it maybe should be Web Simpson. Yeah. No, I think that's

that's exactly right. And I know Adam Scott has come back and played good golf, but he hasn't played as well as Web Simpson has. And he didn't fall off as far as Web Simpson did. Adam Scott had success putting in his career prior to switching to the long putter. He led the tour. I think the first year they kept Stroke's game putting in. It was like 2003 or whatever. And I was clicking around there and yeah, number one on tour was Adam Scott. So that's wild.

That is wild, man. But Webb could never do it without the belly putter. As soon as that went away, he basically went away from the game. I saw some people in the mentions trying to say, like, Web's definitely still anchoring it to his arm. That's literally legal. That's totally fine. You can do that. He's not secretly stupid. Maybe. I don't know. I don't understand the whole thing. The anchoring band to begin with is stupid. I never understood. The ball goes a million miles and we care whether or not the end of a putter touches somebody's chest or sternum or belly button

I which on the ball going a million miles it sounds like the usga distance reports coming out this week so stay tuned for that Yeah, I don't know what to expect from that. I don't either if they're I've already preemptively warning if they're gonna Try to spike the football the distances down from the previous year, which was literally the longest year in the history of the sport. And if this is gonna be like the second longest year and they're trying to like, hey, distance is not a control, there's gonna be an issue. I don't think that. I think they're, sorry, I don't mean to sidetrack us

into a USGA conversation, we're, though, web, of course, a USGA champion. But yeah, I don't have any real insight, like surprisingly little insight, keeping, you know, considering how big this could be, should be. I really have not heard much scuttle butt about anything, but I would assume they're just gonna slam the brakes on everything, right?

I don't think they're gonna roll anything back. I don't think they're going to change anything wholesale. I would just think they would kind of be like, all right, you know, we've gone through enough. You would think, but you would have thought that a decade ago and it hasn't happened. Speaking of the USG, I think you are, you are a MacLear dog if you win the US Open.

Is Web the most forgotten about that? Is it really? Is it the most forgotten US Open? Like a major champion in today's, like Jamie Walker, though of course, as we mentioned, that could have been a simulation. That was fun. Lucas Glover, I don't hear a lot of love for Lucas Glover.

You think Lucas Glover is a dog, though? Yeah. Sure. Is it any major or just the US Open? Automatic dog status. We'll have to think about that. Jeff Ogleby? These are dogs, for sure.

Yeah. You got crowned a little bit. He really got kicked around? You really got get crowned? Did Webb got mega crowned? Well, listen. Who could say? If you're coming here for consistent takes, you're in the wrong place.

I've never come here for consistent. I think somebody slid in the DM's ass like, hey, do y'all still hate Webb? I don't think we were hated Webb. I think he's easy kind of got it. He's easy to make fun of. That follow through is cringey. For sure.

First of all, I don't think any, maybe walk anything back. I don't think anybody here hated web as a person, of course. And then he's a class act. Nothing I'll could do. And he is a class act. And of course you're saying that, like tongue firmly in cheek,

but he is legitimately like a great guy. By all accounts, you know, he never hear anything bad about him. Has he always been super fun to watch? Like no, no. Absolutely. It could anything bad about him. Has he always been super fun to watch? Like, no, no, absolutely. It could be two different things. Yeah, of course. And but I think, you know, between the Ryder Cup, between how I finished last year, between

the players, like, he's kind of, he's won me over. I was rooting for Web today. He became a rooting for Max. He became the butt of a lot of jokes when he texted his way onto the 2014 Ryder Cup team, which was, that was, that was, that was a tough look. Yeah, and he didn't play great and shouldn't have been on that team, which is fine. And the shank and at 2012 at Medina, that was also pretty tough to overcome. But he was awesome.

He had a great shake at the Masters too. Awesome. In 2018, he that whole year won the players and then of course went and made the Ryder Cup team. And that was kind of at least for me when I stopped making him the butt of a lot of jokes, I was like, hey, he's gonna play well throughout a cup. He's gonna do well and he did. So I think in that regard, he's redeemed himself.

Can we still make fun of the follow through? Of course. For sure. It's becoming a little more endearing though now. Yeah. Once you've kind of pivoted your perception of it. Swash cut. Yeah, now it's kind of like, oh man, look,

he's just going for it. That's great. I can't believe we didn't lead with this, but the big takeaway from this is obviously his caddy who happens to be a great player in his own right. For sure. So many people have been talking about, of course, the mid-am win that I had a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Many people. Well, the race for the winners, the Florida. The winner's G.A. winner series title. But I forgot. I forgot. I forgot in part of that is one of my playing partners, Mr. Paul Tassori, was supposed

to be in my group that Monday, that following Monday. Web refused to show. Web made a great run at the Sony and he couldn't make it in time and had to withdraw. Here we are again. We are paired together tomorrow in a tournament in Tampa and Web goes on a wins the tournament. I don't know if he's going to make it in time. I reached out asking for an official statement from him if he's gonna make it or if he's gonna keep running scared.

But many people have been, there's a big topic of conversation. Yeah, just for all those who have been, the dozens and hundreds of people that have been asking. There you go. I sent a request out for questions. I think somebody might have, might have mentioned that.

I don't remember the exact word of it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was in there somewhere. Yeah, something about, does Tony finish his dinner? I think that's what you meant. Do you want to do this? Web's 11th in the world coming into this week. I mean, I don't know how high he's going to move up, but like, he's, he's, I almost said

a certified killer, but like, he's, he's not. He's not a killer. No, that's the, well, so what keeps him from being a killer? I believe this moves him to two and six in, in PGH or playoffs, which is not great. Listen, I think just the sheer exclusivity of the killer space is what you know, he just is not a killer. Hardly anybody can be a killer. For sure.

There's no, that's not a knock against Webb. You know what, let's talk about if he is a dog, or yeah, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say his finishes this year. Shriners T7, RSM second, Hero World Challenge. We don't need that one. Sony third in this week first. So that's good. That's pretty good.

He birdied 17, he birdied 18, and then birdied 18 in the playoff to one. That was, did he have a lob wedge from one to one? I know, I know. There's no way. I know. Dottie had a tough little playoff hole there. Lob wedge from one to one.

He must be really pumped up. This is not passing the smell test here. Lob wedge bent to 52 degrees. And I know this part of the job is very hard and this is not the issue we have with CBS, but what's the point of doing this if they're going to say, Hey, Dottie, what's the read here? Right edge and firm. And they show Web's putt it starts six to eight inches outside right.

It breaks right in the heart. Get a bit of bad camera angle. Shout out to Patrick Rees. Are you guys ready to do feed now now? Well, I was very quickly just going to ask what kind of dog would web be? I think he's a golden retriever. I think he's like an Aussie shepherd. Yeah, that's what Neil said.

Okay, I think he's a... Never mind that. You know what who I think he is? I think he's Cerberus, the dog that guards the gates of hell. He's like a bizarro. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Cerberus, Cerberus. Is this Greek or Roman?

One or the two. Who could be so sure? Okay. Yeah. Congratulations on that. Okay, carrying on. I'm gonna let you guys go first on Fina. I feel like you got some things to get off your chest.

Listen, I think Tony, first of all, is he a killer or a dog or neither? He's a house cat. I think there, many people are standing that. I think Tony's a great guy, of course. He's a class act of course. Okay. He, um, he was out there looking for a big break this week. He didn't get it. Okay. That's a stupid joke. But I've, you know, there's been much clamoring to turn the guns towards Mr. Fee now.

Yeah. And, you know, what do you guys think? I think it's time. A couple of numbers here. Okay. Okay. This is entering this week. his stats on the PJ tour. Stroke and these are Stroke's game.

Off the tee, ninth, Stroke's game to approach 21st, around the green fifth, tee to green second, and total seventh. He's made 151 starts on the PJ tour and finished in the top 10, a quarter of the time. 24% of the time. That's well, man. He's finished in the top 10. quarter of the time. 24% of the time as well. He's finished in the top 10. That's damning.

And he has one win. Yeah, it's damning. How is it damning? How is it damning? How is it damning? How is it damning? Michael Bradley has more wins in order to open. Yeah.

Yeah. How is it damning? I want to, before ever, but how is that damning? He can't win. It doesn't look good, bud. Keep going. I'm gonna let you get it all out, just do it so you're not misquoted on anything.

I want your full take represented. And then I'm gonna demand the floor. You're the prosecution here. Listen. You are the prosecution. You go first. Our examination will show. Our exam is, given the opportunity to win,

he has come up flat time and time again. Yeah, many people are saying he might be an empty vessel. He, listen, I think, you know, Ricky, of course, is synonymous with late-stage capitalism. Ricky, 148 starts three wins. And you know, Ricky is five wins. But I'm saying in his first 148, he had three wins. Okay.

Tony is, I think we have to call it. I think Tony is neoliberalism. This is, of course, a reference to. It's Ricky being late stage capitalism. Yes, of course. Why don't you flesh that out a little bit? It's globalization, run a muck. Okay, it's sold as, you know, going to make our lives

so much better, right? Sure. And at the end of the day, what does it do so much better, right? Sure. And at the end of the day, what does it do? It just carves out our towns and our cities. It leaves people, you know, we're slaves to consumerism now. And you know, at the end of the day, we got to look around.

Big friend of the brands. Exactly. Are we better off with it? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. It's empty promises and an empty suit, you know, straight out of... Looks good in an ad campaign. Straight out of corporate casting for, you know, the perfect marketability.

And I'm not doing it anymore. He's a house cat and I think he stinks. Dave should petappelle voice. And I still would like to know how is how he played at a gust on that angle. You think there was foul play or there was there was something nefarious going on. In true CBS style, we're gonna get to this here in a second here, but first We've talked a couple of times already this year about the new Callaway Maverick driver. In addition to our good friend here, Mr. DJ Pai, who has put the Maverick Max into play, I believe.

We saw some switching of note in Saudi Arabia. Phil Mikkelsen put it in play this week and recorded a T3 finish, his best finish, since winning at Pebble Beach last year. Someone else, I think, put it in, I can't confirm legally. Legally, we can't mention it in an ad. We could not, but you could, you could Google who switched to it this week. You could. By their own accord. On you could totally figure that out. Out of Maverick Sub-Zero driver. It's one of the top one players in the world, I would say. Yeah. Although not anymore, I don't think,

because I think you know my lostest. But anyways, by now you probably know that Calaway used artificial intelligence design unique faces for each Maverick driver head, the standard, the sub-zero, and the max. What you may not know is that the new line of Maverick fairway woods also benefits from AI design faces. There's a Maverick fairway wood that will just,

if it's just about anyone, there's a standard head, again, sub-zero head, typically used by the high speed, high spin players. And for those who need a little bit more help with the fairway wood, there's the max. No offense, DJ, of course. No offense to anyone. But I've never hit more fairways than I have

in the last two weeks playing the max. So if it's a high handicap club, I don't care. That's completely fine. We also need to discuss how you and me. I hit it past Neil twice. You and Neil won. He was in the rough, but it's still it might have had the weights wrong in your endurance. I don't need to talk about that.

For the tires. I may have wasted 10. I can't believe it. I may have wasted two years of my private life. With an improper equipment. We'll talk about that later. We don't have to get to that. Through your own fault for the record.

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Chots gain, you know, inflating, inflating their persona over, over social factors that might not be easy to quantify. So yeah, what are you going to say? So go ahead with your defense. I'd say the safest block to be in eng is to criticize some a for not winning enough. I think that's the safest. Okay. Safest place to be when you guys are standing very proudly on this block. We have to be excited.

He's the sign guy on Instagram right now. Tony Fienau doesn't win tonight. Tell me I'm right. I want to focus on a very specific point that the prosecution made here, which is the use of the word damning. Now there is a burden of proof that comes with that statement.

And that in that you're assuming that him beating a bunch of players consistently is a bad thing. And that's the problem I have. The biggest issue I have with critiquing or criticizing players that are consistently near the top, but don't quote, win enough is like, quote, win at all.

Well, he's won once, technically. But golf is a different sport in that sports radio has trained us to say that Tony Fienault is the loser of today. But we haven't even brought that up for that. We've given it like three years. Yeah, I agree with everything you're saying. For sure. And he ends his career with one win in its Puerto Rico. loser of today. But we haven't even brought that up for that. We've given it like three years. Yeah. I agree with everything you're saying.

For sure. And he ends his career with one win in its Puerto Rico. I think that's probably like, what the hell happened there, and, or it also could be, and we did a whole wonderful study on this on Nolik. Jake Nichols did on Nolangup.com. It says, hey, Ricky, like in theory, I probably shouldn't want a lot, but he run into a buzz thought this tournament, and this tournament, this happened here. And like by the law of averages,

he should have won this many tournaments. I would, without doing the study, I would imagine that Tony Fiennell's performance in the game has indicated that he probably should have one more. If your position is that, yeah, he can't handle the pressure, he's too nervous in that scenario

and always chokes it away, I'm gonna need to see more evidence of that. But that is not the point. Because today, the point is like it's, so he's a, I don't know world ranking, let me look it up, but it's 13 to the one. Okay, I was gonna say, top 15 players in the world. He's been in the top 40 player.

Now there's like his fourth year going, I can think of like two times that he's ever been in contention. Two times? Like actual like honest to God, like last three, four holes of the tournament like oh my gosh Tony Fino might win this thing. Yeah, he's really good at being like faking contention. Yeah masters of course I'd say that was pretty close to being in contention. Okay. That's one. Yeah. What what else?

What was the Northern Trust the playoff event in 2018? I don't know because you don't just because you don't remember it doesn't mean that he has to be good say. This is an indictment of you. This is who it's say. The prosecution is completely unprepared, your honor. No, he was in the playoff at the HSBC champion. Yeah, he that was just fall, right? It was on count of 2018 against standard.

That was a different time zone. That doesn't count. Doesn't count. Yeah, you can't just conveniently ignore the evidence here. The jury, I would like to call attention to the fact, it just needs a big break. Finish second at the Hero World Challenge. There you go.

That was in contention, does that not count? No, I just, I hate that, I hate when people say, LeBron has lost six times in the finals, like that's a bad thing. Would you rather him lose in the first round? Would you rather fiend out finish T20? So like legitimately, why? Yeah, honestly. Why though now finished T20? So like legitimately why? Why, honestly, I think I would.

Why? Because it's a complete like shit or get off the pot mentality for me. Act completely disagree. You're welcome to feel that way, but I just can't imagine a situation where it's better to lose to 18 more people than it is to one.

I can't, I can't, it's not all equal. Like all finishes in golf and I think it's not. But in the definition of like second place is just the first loser. Like at some point it's like, yeah, like, like third, fourth, seventh, eighth, like it's kind of all the same. If you're not winning.

It's not, but I don't get how that's worse, how that's how that's worse than not being there. It's not. Not, of course. Of course, that's where I think we're just fundamentally talking about each other. We might be talking about each other. Yeah, exactly.

I think that's what's going on. And I think I've almost come like 360 degrees on this take to where like talking about Ricky and like defending Ricky for the last three years, four years, like I'm so on your block. And with Fina, I don't know what it is, and maybe we can get into this next, but I don't know what it is about him.

I don't know what it is about watching him, but I think it's just feeling like you don't ever see him with an actual chance to win it. It feels like the numbers are fluffed a little bit or something. I don't know. And I know that's such a stupid, trust your eye. Sports tradiotake. Yes, it is. I know it is, but stupid, trust your eye. Like sports, trade-ears, take.

Yes, it is. I know it is, but also I can't shake it. I don't know what to say. 35 times, he's finished with the top 10 and it just never feels like he's gonna win. Did it feel like he was gonna win today? Honestly, like he had a two shot lead. He had a two shot lead.

He had a two shot lead. Like even that, I was like, oh, Web's gonna birdie 18. Two shot lead with two balls to play, made two parts. Did you think he was gonna make that put on 18? Hell no. I did not, he didn't leave it in a great spot. I did not think he was gonna, oh, Web's gonna birdie 18. Two shot hold, Lee with two holes to play, made two parts. Did you think he was gonna make that put on 18? Hell no. I did not. He didn't leave it in a great spot. I did not think he was gonna make it,

but that's not, he was shaky too. Like his, his drives kind of mid-round. He knew the drive on 18. The put on time was, the put on time was big. Front nine was like the, the most passive. I know it was got more windy and I know it got more firm and stuff, but just hitting wedges to 40 feet and hitting,

like there was no aggression it didn't look like. And of course, let's just get out in front of this one. I'm a six handicap who fucking stinks. So of course this is not me, you know, be like, oh, he should have done this, he should have done this, or he should have changed his swing this or whatever. But it's just, I don't know, it's kind of a,

they are who we thought they were, kind of situation today. I mean, everyone tried to leave them off the hook and he just wouldn't, as Tron said, everybody tried to crown him. Everyone tried to crown him and he refused to crown like Megan Markle. Here's the Tron said. Here's the part that's best taken.

Here's the part where this all falls like crumbles though is, okay, web doesn't make a clutch ass 20 foot putt. Like, what was web's percent chance? Maybe between five to 10% that he would make that putt on 18, probably 10% at the most like an 18 footer of PGA tour player. So 90% chance for him to win at that point. Sure. Maybe if that's if that's what you're presenting as evidence here, the jury cannot compete on that.

I think it gets to the neoliberalism take. I really like that. Like, web just... Like, what are the numbers? They fucking went in, man. I don't know. Yeah, because that's exactly what I was going to say. Like, yeah.

I had a 10% chance to go in, but like, I don't know, it went in. It's kind of the speed take, right? Or it's just like, yeah, I don't know how to explain it, man, but he just keeps like making them. So I'm not really sure what to tell you. How many, like in the last four years, how many top tens does web have? Who could possibly say that? Who could possibly say that?

Yeah, how do I use this PGA tool? Oh, it's the worst. I don't think it's a career there. Oh, I got it, hold on. It's the worst. I can't, I can't even... What did you ask last four years? Or just like, yeah, I just want to see like year by year.

So 2020, he has four top 10s, as, as mentioned. 2019, he has, he had six, 2018, he had nine, 2017, he had six, 2016, he had two, five, nine, five, seven, and then 12 in 2011. That was wild. Those were dark times with him and Luke Donald were battling for player of the year. I think the juxtaposition is, you know, a guy like Webb, he just wins. He's able to win. And... If I could sidebar, he kind of doesn't.

He's only won twice in the last like six years. Well, in the last six years. But still, he's won six times on tour. Yeah. And like, I think that though, to your point is, yeah, he just, like, some guys, they just kind of win. And then other guys, they just kind of like don't win. So do you think that Tony's not going to win? some guys they just kind of win and then other guys they just kind of like don't win

Do you think that Tony's not gonna win? I think he might win a couple more But like is Tony that's a lot a couple like that's a lot and that's I think I should preface all this It's the same thing I talk about with Ricky like is Tony a like an excellent world-class golfer of course He is like he's literally one of the 20 best golfers in the world. So I think people have to rise. This whole discussion is taking place in a relative construct. So relative to other top 20 players, I don't think his career wins are going to be that impressive. Also candidly, it's just kind of more fun to talk about it like this.

Yeah, no, I don't know. I'm sure they'll come. He's an excellent golfer. Great player. I was doing a lot of things. I'm really good at the safe block. I don't think you're on the safe block. You're on the safe block.

You're on the safe block. If saying, yeah, just be seated away. He's a very fine golfer. Look at the indicators. He's very fine. No, it's way easier to keep betting. Love him if you're not going to win. I bet that he will win.

That's not as nearly as safe as like, yeah, he will continue not to win. Every time he's got his tee up, 144 dudes, they gotta play. But he's the 13th ranked player in the world. Yeah, he's very good. He beats him going to win. But he just, like, it's wild that he hasn't. So what is that?

And we all agree on that. Do you think it's wild? Oh, it's wild. I think it's a mathematical. In case he kind of stinks for some reason. I think it's a mathematical anomaly that he didn't, like like he should have won today. Through a no fault of his own, he was in great position.

If you were to told him, you get two powers in the last two holes, but the two shall lead. He'd probably take that chance. See, I think that's two, I think you're a slave to like the numbers there. Where, you know, there's some human soft science-y, like just it factor involved.

And I think some guys have it, and some guys don't. I mean, throw to the drive on 18, hit a great wedge. He looks like ass on the front nine. But then he missed the putt. It was a tough fight. If he makes anything else on the front nine, he wins. Like let's be real about something though. Like it wasn't a tap and putt,

but many guys have made putts much more difficult to win tournaments. And Fina was 16th in Strokes game putting today out of the field. So you didn't even have a negative stroke game putting today. True, but he just also like didn't hit it close enough to make anything. He was, yeah, 32nd in Strokes game approach today. It wasn't a great day approach. Yeah, conditions for tough. I just, I hate it. I hate like, the part I have the hardest problem with is being close and not closing it out as being an indictment of somebody.

If you want to say like, hey, he can't put very well on the final round. Like he always sucks at putting the final round. He gets nervous. Like that, if there was evidence to support that, I'd be like, yeah, there's probably an issue here. Like, this is not great. Or if he's beating like 142 out of 143 other golfers, I'd be like, that's probably pretty good.

And I think that's a big issue. Sure, it's good. Yeah, it's good, but he kind of stinks. Can we admit, can you agree on that? I think the net, net takeaway is, you know, Tony is now in focus. It's Ricky and it's Tony and that's the thing. Look, it's been bubbling into the surface. Let's at least just talk about it.

Sure, okay. I bet he wins twice this year. That's not a safe block. No, it's not. All right, I'll take that bet. Okay, I don't know where we're betting. Okay. It's just, yeah.

You can don't got me if you want. All right, twice. Twice is a lot. We're like half way through the season. We're like's really. He's a double in his career total. Yes. I have like he's I think he's I think this is truly a year where he takes the next step. I thought today was part of a big break. I've said that.

I keep saying that. That's all people are saying. Yeah. How do you not count the big break win? You're going to keep setting quarter to win. Two wins to it. Yeah. Two wins.

Two professional wins. I think if you give me through the end of 2020, not just this season, you're in the 2020 round. I'm asking for the reach route. You got to use a finger. How about speaking of that? What are the people me when he's like, I heard one of the commentators saying Tony was hitting like two finger drives today. Oh, he's just feathering a two finger drive out there. What does that mean? What made sense out of the broadcast? Let me start with that? I think what they mean by that.

Actually, I think there's some merit to that. I'm not saying it as like, oh, I literally don't know what that means. Talking to some folks about why he has quote unquote, taken the next step in his game. It seems like he was a dude who swung extremely wildly from the heels. I think as Tron would say, he used to be a hitter, a lot more than a golfer, and I think he started to throw

or not a bit. He started to figure out how to be a lot more of a golfer. So I think that's like, so it's kind of his version of the Moab. Yes. Talking to someone like, dude, he could hit his 30 pass, what he hits it now, but he just like, he's like, yeah, 315 down the middle is pretty good.

Where is this thing like like, two fingers? I think it's just two fingers on the club, or I don't think it's literal. I think it's just kind of like, you know, we're taking something off this one. Like instead of a full pour, it's like a two finger pour. Oh, maybe.

I really don't get it. Maybe it's like it moves. It slides like the length of two fingers is like the curve in it. I don't, maybe, I don't know. I think it's just kind of like a, enough about that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's just kind of like a... Enough about that. Yeah, I don't know.

But you know about the palette? Yeah, it was a palette. I was about to circle back to that too. Lance, happy birthday. 65. Where do you guys net out? How are those super ball picks look? For this event.

Do you guys like watching this event? I had a great time today. Oh, actually. I mean, the broadcast was... Oh, poor. But I thought it was fun. It's a fun event. What's fun about it?

I think, no matter how over-corporateized 16 and really all of it is, it's still cool to see that energy at a golf tournament. Literally 100,000 people going crazy. I think the course actually showed out really well this week. They had good conditions which helped. My big complaint, I think it's fun to like see 16 early in the week, but Sunday we do not need

the early telecast cutaways to watch like the non factors play 16. Yeah. We get it, just actually show the golf tournament on Sunday. Yeah, JT almost snuck up and won this thing. They didn't show it until the 16th. I have some other coverage.

Yeah. I don't know if we want to go there. Oh, wait, wait, wait. I like, I think the tournaments, I think the tournaments good. I think they do a lot of good stuff. I think that, I mean, we kind of talk about this a lot, but I think the firm greens today

helped a ton on competitive side of things, right? Like it kind of talked about this a lot, but I think the firm greens today helped a ton on the competitive side of things, right? Like, it wasn't a dartboard out there, and I'm not pegging that as like, why Finaw didn't take hold of this thing, because he plays well in majors, and he plays well all over the place, but like, not quite well enough.

But yeah, I thought that made it, you know, I think in my head, if you ask me like, I thought that made it. I think in my head, if you ask me like, I'll describe the waist management Phoenix Open from a golf perspective, I'd be like, I don't know, like, 55 under wins and it's a dartboard. And it wasn't that this week at all. And not since they renovated it.

Yeah, it's totally different. Exactly. And it, like, competitively seemed a lot more interesting this year. So it was fun to watch. Two things. I think not I swear this isn't as coverage And it like competitively seemed a lot more interesting this year. So it was fun to watch. Two things. I think not I swear this isn't as coverage

taking as it sounds, but they don't do a good enough job of presenting the atmosphere. Like don't even, don't even address it. Like the broadcast is so sleepy that it makes that crazy ass atmosphere. Doesn't bring it to life. That's like patronizing. Not even remotely.

It's like this is so crazy. It's like,izing. Not even remotely. It's like, this is so crazy. It's like, why am I asleep then? That's one thing. Exactly. So that's so cool. It's great that there's one week on tour like this for people. And it is such a, if you've never been to it, like you should go to once.

It's super fun. It's wild. It really is. And it's amazing how, like, as a huge ass golf fan, I could go there and forget that I'm not a golf tournament. How much stuff's going on? We probably say the same thing every year, but there are places, you know, that corner of the property,

10, 16, 17 are nuts. But if you are a pure golf fan, like you can go watch golf on, you know, I would advise that. 13, 14, like it gets, you know, it's still a normal golf tournament. If it's not just, you know, if you've got kids or whatever, like it's kind of where I'm getting at, it's not just a big drunken buffoon fest.

It certainly will be on like the way in and the way out, but you can kind of make your day whatever you want. One thing I will say though, is that golf course coming down the stretch is awesome. So good. It is a tailor-made PGA tour golf course. And that's kind of faint praise a little bit, but it's a ton of half-par holes with some history behind them

and specific things you know to look out for. You know what that first bounce on 17 means. You know when that shot tracer starts leaning left, like there's no, it never stops. Like you never stops when you go left on 17. Well, you mentioned the renovation. I didn't even really put it in that context, but I think you're totally right that,

like that history that you're kind of starting to build now is really like post-renovation. Yeah. I mean, like the last three or four years have been awesome golf tournaments to where you can build this bank of memories. Like, I don't really remember stuff from back when, you know, like, Hunter Mayhan wanted or stuff like that, but I think he wanted, right? Didn't he? I think it does matter.

Sure. But the point being, I don't really remember that stuff, but I remember a ton from the last three or four years. And so yeah, credit to that renovation. I will say 18s a bit of a boring hole to finish on. I thought it used to be harder. Like a lot. They made it easy. They made it harder. Yeah. Because you made it harder. The church, the new bunkering makes it more difficult. Just in my head, I thought it was like a, maybe I'm literally thinking of Oakmont, but I just pictured it as like a much more difficult hole. Now I could grant it when you're downwind and Finau hits it 370. Yeah.

A flip wedge. Well, 15 is a, you know, it averaged 4.6 for the week, which is plenty of birdies, but like there's good chance for bogies there. You can go in the water very clearly. 17 is obviously an opportunity for 51 bogies at 17 this week. Average 3.7 shout out to max homo for making two mega parrs after two water balls on 15 70 sending it. Uh 14 is a is you know was today a really tough par four.

Uh, sandwiched in but not too tough is 4.4. But it was playing harder than 13 the par five was. So the point is there's a ton of holes there where it's like, oh, wait, he's making a run because he birdied 13, but then you got to play a tougher hole. There's just a ton of back and forth. Very, very, very, 12 is a great hole. Very, very with the water in the back.

Very Augusta light in that regard. In terms of like birdie opportunities available in the back, you know guys should make birdie if they're gonna win these tournaments on some of these holes. So I really enjoy watching the tournament in that regard. There, I'm trying to think of other great finishes on the PGA tour, like non-major. Like the finishes you see every year.

Like what else is in that category? Besides like sawgrass, say maybe like River Highlands is in that, I think they will finish with the drive of part four and then the part five, part three. I think, well, I always say Riviera. Yeah, I think that like whole, whole. I think that whole course is fantastic. But like, Jack's to post that with farmers or something.

Like, Tory Pines, I don't know. I'm not doing the Tory Pines architecture thing again, but like, 18s cool because there's birdies, but like, 15, 16, 17, I can't really tell you much. Even though I've been there and watched the tournament every year, like, I can't really tell you much. Do you like the finishing stretch at Quill Hollow? I would remember 17 to par three.

Yeah, I remember 17 and 18. 18 schools. 18s got the crew. Yeah, but they have the short for. Yeah, and they have the short for. Yeah, 14 14 14s. 14s. 14 and 15 of the birdie holes.

And you finish. I don't love finishing with three straight brutal holes. I like the mix of TPC Scott's Dale is genuinely fantastic. And 17, I think Capaloo is kind of cool with that. Yeah, really hard 17th in the birdie hole. 18, but 17 is somehow an underrated hole with how much intrigue there is on. At Phoenix?

At Phoenix, yes. And I know everyone goes for it, but I think some of the, some things like you can say it's not really And I know everyone goes for it, but I think some of the, some things like, you can say it's not really risk reward if everyone goes for it, but that's not really the point, because if you bail out right, you've, you've, you've not, you've not taken on the risk,

and you're not gonna get rewarded. It's not easy from the right side. There's a reason why you see guys hug that left so hard is that's where the birdies come from. And when they move that pin around them, and they put that pin in the back on Saturday, the scoring average goes up every single year because it's just way tougher to get to that pin.

There's so much intrigue to that hole. And I love, love, love watching guys play it. I don't care if it means they're gonna shoot more under par. Give me holes like that that are extremely interesting to watch. Yeah, I thought it was. I was what it helped your guys argument out to do work for it. Fienaou not taking driver on 17 was curious in my mind.

And like, taking an iron off 10, when you can just blow over that corner and hit an iron in the bunker, like that's kind of the stuff. Not gonna do a job for you. Yeah, thanks for bringing that to our attention. That's no, it's disclosure. You got to show your notes to the other legal team.

That doesn't mean make sure you're in my- You're legal case, my cousin, Penny. It's called disclosure, you dickhead. I think the tournament last point, I remember like, why did I use to really enjoy watching? And I will say that the combination of McCord and Faraday on the coverage, I thought was a great match for the energy.

Yeah. And now without both of them, it's to your point, it just seems flat. Like Davis Love, who ever was on 16, trying to explain like, oh my god, it's bananas. I think it was novela. But the fact that you don't remember it's kind of point. You're not really selling it to me.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good take. It seemed like McCord and Fairet were the only guys who would actually fit in. Yeah. Like who could go sit in the grandstands and have some beers and hang out? Whereas everybody that I could possibly picture

on the CBS team now is, people just, cup! Right, cup! Get the fuck outta here! I had a buddy that went for the first time this year to your point about, you know, if you get a chance, go. And I asked him to describe the experience. And he sent me a text, he said,

it's a holy, talking about number 16, a holy, forgettable golf hole in the midst of a boost soaked sea of Instagram influencers, creating a memory. I'm so glad that I had, but not sure I want to experience again. Oh, it's the most good of them once. Yeah. He said a couple of, he said, I did call today short and I got a flight 16 hours early. 16 is a very forgettable hole in every regard other than the crowd. What do you think over four rounds? What do you think is the most distant somebody had into 17? 86 yards.

Yeah, yeah, like 57 yards. I want to give a shout out to Adam Schenk. It was 125 yards. He made Bogie. But other than that, it was 89 yards. I'd say, yeah, you guys were right in the wheelhouse. I think Fina was going for it. Maybe just, I don't know if he hit it like spinning or something. I just have to see that bunker come into play for anyone. I mean, I know people have hit it in it, but no one that's really in contention hits it in that bunker. I don't think, which was just a just a curious play. And I think it almost brought more trouble into play.

I know he's trying to play short of the water, I'm sure, but I just pound driver and you're, I mean, he made par still, but I don't know. I think he would have could have put a little kept a little more pressure on web. I think Web saw an opening there when that happened, but a couple people on the schedule. That looked like they hit it left to the water, which is sick. Well, there was one. There was one way to get away, way, way, way left to the water, which is sick. There was one there was one way to get away.

Way, way, way left of the water, which was there was Martin trainer. He went. Martin trainer and Matty on McKenzie Hughes. It looks like it was left of it somehow and somehow made birdie. Anyway, what do you guys think of the bibs? I'm in on that. I thought that was great. I actually I saw that.

I didn't think about it since until you said it, but yeah I'm in on that. I thought that was great. That's a cool touch. I saw that, I didn't think about it since you said it, but yeah, I remember seeing that. I mean, like, yeah, you know what, that's a good way to tie your brand to the tournament and do something that doesn't like punch people in the face. And yeah, it was great. Well, I don't know what. They're like the reflective like trash collector

for catty bibs. I didn't notice. There's a free ad for waste management. Good thinking. One thing, maybe we can make this a segment on the pod is putting into perspective what 14 million for charity means. Like, waste management, that's insane.

That's not. That's insane. We can continue to monitor that as the year goes along for as far as, you know, who is leading in that category, what that means, but that is so much money for charity. Yeah. And I know it, like you always say, it kind of glosses over when they say it on the broadcast and whatnot, but that is so much money for charity. I know, like you always say, it kind of glosses over

when they say it on the broadcast and whatnot, but that's seriously impressive. I know we mentioned this a couple of weeks ago when Trinity Forest moved away, but the whole thing with AT&T, and they're charitable donations bumped down from like six million to three million. And when you really start breaking that down into,

okay, there's a bunch of nonprofits around your place that now have 50% less budget. It's like, oh, that's not good. Yeah, it's like, yeah, maybe the 17th hole is not great, but like maybe that's not totally the most important thing. The only thing I have to say about, I don't know if you guys felt it with waste management, like the crowds being a bit lighter this year because everyone was in King Abdullah economic city for the Saudi invotational. Just a, you know, party like a King Abdullah economic city

party. Outstanding turnout at the event and a great preview for the Premier Golf League, which I'm sure we- I'm sure I was over there, I looked a banana. Looks like children of men over there just complete desolate wasteland. How much of that did you guys tune into this week? Oh, none.

Yeah, 0.0 shots. I went back and watched McDonald's round today. Shout out to the European tour. They do those cool, like, final round recap videos on YouTube, which are awesome. So I was able to watch McDonald's pretty much his whole round. It looked like he was an absolute grinder out there today. It was not going well.

Not easy. But yeah, it was just willing in some puts and I fucking love Grammack Dall man. And that was, it was the real one. The ultimate Alonzo morning gif of like, man, like GMACC play the Saudi event, like, God, that sucks. That's a good for him.

But now he's in the top 50 and he's gonna get the master. He's gonna get the WGC's. We're gonna get to watch him more. Like, okay, yeah, that's a good for him. But now he's in the top 50 and he's going to get the master. He's going to get the WGC's. We're going to get to watch him more like, eh, okay. Yeah, that's pretty good. But even that's like, that's different than, you know, again, Phil or Stenson or Brooks or any of those guys. Yeah, it's a, you did get a bad time thanks to him giving a TV interview to the middle of his round.

I just don't understand. Why is it that slow play blows? There's no rhyme or reason. There's no common sense that ever comes into play with any of the thought process of any of the design of any of the rules around slow play. Like, can't we release that? That's how it gets messaged.

I'm sure maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, but yeah, it never seems to be handled. What is the specialty of a rules? Like a rules official should have, like referees in basketball have, I mean, they don't necessarily do a great job of it, but like have a standard for how they call a foul, not all referees would call it the same,

like there is judgment that goes into that. Like why can't there be some kind of judgment? We all know slow play when we see it. JB Holmes at one point took a minute and 20 seconds on his putt on 17th, CBS actually cut away from him lining it up to show a shout on 18 then came back to him. Like that is slow play. Like that should not be allowed. But there's no never any common sense that comes with this assessment of this penalty. I don't know. You're looking to just turn people loose with martial law. Let's call him like you see him.

Maybe I think maybe that's what slugger white has. He never calls penalty on anyone. But I just don't, yeah, that's not the story of the week I think from Saudi, but I will say that we're breathtaking views of the Red Sea, which Brooks had told me to look out for. So the leaderboard was low key, like VGood. It was.

It was. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not gonna pretend like I said, like I watched it, but I didn't watch it. I didn't have it either. They're doing it, I don't know. I'm not gonna pretend like I said, like I watched it, but I didn't watch it, I'm either. They're doing it, I respect that. Maybe that should be the, you know, maybe that's a key takeaway. They had, like maybe literally one of the best leader boards

they'll be all year, G-Mac, Dustin, Phil, Thomas Peters, answer, Victor Dubieson, I didn't know he still played golf, Sergio, Kimer, Lowry, all on the top 13, and I was like, yeah, no, I'm not watching. Shout out to Sergio for making it all four rounds this year, though. That's true. Not good to fall for.

Showing himself. Yeah. There was a good piece by Dave Shedlowski, Golf Digest, Golf World. Honestly, candidly, I don't know if those are different or the same, but GMAC split with Pete Cowan, which I had never thought about this before. This was the first time I've ever thought about a player in this way, but he was like,

yeah, I just couldn't see Pete enough because I literally wasn't playing the top 50 schedule anymore. He works with Stenson and all those guys who are these big name players. He's like, yeah, they're all playing W WGC's and I'm playing like opposite field events so like I never get to see this dude anymore. And so he started working with Kevin Kirk, who I think was a disciple of Pete Cowns and yeah, kind of got things dialed in.

And I don't know, I just thought that was an interesting little tidbit there. We need to get G-Mac back on. He was kind of, he was on the pod the fall of 2017. He's had a lot of success in various ways since then. I think he was, yeah, we needed him back on to tell some more. He was kind of down on his game and his future at that time. And obviously it was still a great guess,

but we need to get him back on to tell some more. He said a lot of cool stuff after the round too, just about, you know, all this stuff can be like, throw away kind of trite fluff, or you can kind of take it to heart, but he's talking about his kids. You know, he's like, had a couple, I think a couple of kids now,

and just kind of what you hear Tiger talk about, where it's like, you know, I've never played well since they've like been old enough to really realize what's going on, and so all they could do, you know, either I can like have a second chapter to my career and they can see it, or they can just watch old clips on YouTube. And so I'm trying to, you know, actually do something in real life. That's still from the cat. It is. It's great.

It's true. Like, that's, that was a cool way to think about it. I also was thinking like, you know, if you're going to take a bunch of, uh, MBS's money, like spending it on Guinness is a good way to go to Orlando, I guess, as good of ways, you know, as I need to spend it. We talked a lot of world tour, premier golf league tour last week on the pod. I think me, Tron and DJ went about an hour discussing it. Big Randy, you know, you weren't with us last week.

I just wanted to kind of get the listeners in on what your initial reaction is to the tour, the proposed tour, where are you, where are you on it? Well, as it shares my initials, I'm completely all in. I wholeheartedly endorse. A lot of people are thinking that you were the guy in the press release, responding to all those questions.

You are PG, you are PG. I feel like Gordon Landis. I think, where's it George? It's George. My sincere take is I think it's interesting. Almost as a chaos agent, I think. I don't know. I don't have any answers.

I mean, are there aspects of the PGA tour that I think need to change? Will this be a catalyst for some of those things? Potentially. I don't know. I know that's not a great answer, but I need more information. The situation is being monitored. It's all there.

No, I know. The press release actually was kind of funny. I was a fan of that. I think it's interesting. I mean, if I had to bet, does it ever get off the ground and have legs? No, probably not, Just because something like that, there's like so much shit that can go wrong and, and whatnot. But, uh,

well, the developments on this front, since we last talked about it, we're monahen, like drew a line in the sand. Pretty, yeah, boldly. It was like sending email to players. So it was basically like, you will not be a member of both of these things. You're going to have to choose one or the other, which I think, you know, you can kind of see that coming.

I don't think there's any, you know, the whole, the PGL, like, yeah, we plan to work with with these guys. Like, yeah, well, I don't think they're going to be down to that as soon as, basically as soon as this gets off the, if it get, whatever get off the ground in any kind of way, shape or form is how they've proposed it, which as we said many, many times in the last podcast, like they can propose anything they want

because it's just like a pie in the sky idea. But if it does, like the PGA tour immediately becomes a feeder tour for it, right? And so there are many, many interests that the PGA tour would have and not letting that happen. It is kind of funny to see the PGA tour start to pull the open doors card,

which for those that don't know that, it's when they use a function called OpenDorse to essentially take over PGA tour players accounts to retweet their own content or share their own content. I believe the tour players or agents have to approve the post once it goes through, but they basically, so go on, whenever you see a tour players tweet that looks incredibly obvious that they didn't

write it, just click on it and see if it's via open doors. And then you know it came exactly for straight from the PGA tour, which is kind of sick. Cause it felt like they went on the defense pretty quickly. I'm like, love the love the app PGA tour here. Like congrats on the three billion in charity. Like so proud of what the app PGA tour has built. Yeah, I'm not sure how much of that was bad timing or conspiracy, but yeah, it's just kind of funny.

It's funny. I don't think they timed up the $3 billion announcement with all of this happening. I'm guessing that was in the works for a couple of weeks. I think they timed up the player's purse amount in this area. That could be true. That could be true. What was that cricket documentary you watched? It's called Explained, and it's about, it's called T Explained. And it's called T20.

I think it's called T20. So there's explain series on Netflix that it does like a whole episode on the female orgasm. Or... I was wondering which one was gonna be that going that was top of my view. Say that again, like let me write that down. I don't remember anything that was said on that episode,

but there's one on the human brain or music and all these things and just kind of, it's, they do one on cricket and how this T20, it's, I wouldn't even call it a variation of the sport. It's like a different sport of cricket that became made for TV. It is, I watch it and I'm like, oh my God, this could be golf.

Like, holy shit, it's the normal version of golf pretty boring. That was my takeaway. We watched that whatever, like a year ago, two years ago. And that was exactly the reaction that I had was just, oh my God, someone's gonna make another tour. Like this is so obvious. So obvious.

Like this is the world that we live in. Like the PJ Tour is not built for being a pure entertainment product. It's just not. It does a really good job with the tools and the restrictions that it has. But it's the whole thing we said last time. If you were going to start over, you wouldn't build it like you do now. You wouldn't make it a member-run organization. You wouldn't make it all these different things.

You would be focused solely on media and creating rivalries and creating all these like crazy things and that just can't always happen in the way it's set up now. And I think, yeah, the point in asking that was, you know, I think that's a model for the PGL. Of course, there's countless other examples that have not gone well, the XFL and all these other sports leagues, XFL 1.0 or 2.0. I should say 1.0, good point. And so yeah, I guess, you know, like I like to say a lot, you know, we'll see it'll be interesting to watch, but I'm more and more convinced that it's got to be they've at least struck some nerves. Yeah, you know, they've at least

They're some of their thinking is at least interesting and varied enough that you know, it's worthy of attention Well an interesting note this will be we can play this now We went down and interviewed Peter Jacobson this last week and he we talk he was kind of in the room i guess we're not kind of he was in the room when greg norman proposed uh... the world tour idea in the nineties and we talking great detail about i'm gonna play a little clip of that interview now a story of i'll hear it right now the story about

our own paulmer and how that all played out, Mr. Palmer, Mr. Palmer. I was playing in the shark shootout Greg Norman's tournament in Los Angeles in the early 90s. I was playing with Arnold Palmer as my partner. And Greg called us all to a board meeting, a board room at Sherwood Country Club and he had a proposal for us. So I was one of 20 or 24 players and they're all the name players that you would know, Paying Hail, Irwin, Lanny Watkins, Bruce Lyskey, Curtis Strange, Arnold, on and on. And Greg proposed a new tour, it was called a World Tour.

There would be 48 or 50 players, there would be 20 tournaments worldwide, big money, big opportunity, and we were all invited to be a member of the tour because we were in the top 50 on the world ranking. Arnold Palmer was completely insulted because he said to Greg and everybody in the room, he said, fellas, when I was playing in my heyday, I was one of the big three. It was Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer and Gary Player.

And he said, how many times do you think we were approached about breaking off and starting our own tour, our hand-picked tour of 20, 30, 40 players? And we said, well, probably quite a few times. And he said, yeah, that's right. And you know why I didn't do it? Because it would have been detrimental to the game, and it would have hurt the PGA tour.

And he got up and walked out. He said, if you guys want to do this, good luck to you. I'm out, I'm done. Now Arnold wasn't playing much golf back then in the early 90s. We played a lot together in some basketball tournament, Shark Shootout, Fred Mart Challenge, CVS Charity Classic. But Greg knew that it was a destructive idea

because the PGA tour, when it was formed in 68, 69, there were just a few players. They broke away from the PGA of America to form the tour and that it's grown into what it was then and what it continues to be today. Now I'll say this, if it's about the game, making the game better, I'm all for it. But if it's only about money, which this seems to be what it is, then I want nothing to

do with it. It's destructive. I'll echo what Arnold said. If it's about money, I want no part of it. Because think about it. If we've done the World Tour with Norman back in the 90s, or Greg, or excuse me, the big three had broken off, you never would have heard of Tiger Woods, or Phil Mickelson, or any players of Jordan's Feath,

Justin Thomas, because the Tour would have been fragmented, and I'm not sure you would have been able to put all the pieces together once Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall. I don't know who's behind this, but this echoes so much what Norman tried to do. Don't forget, we would have had to rescind our tour membership back then also. Now this new tour member, this new tour that comes out,

they're going to do 18 tournaments, and they're going to help the PGA tour. That's a lie. There's going to be only 18 tournaments that Tiger, Orrari, or Phil, or Justin play. They're not going to go play Tampa, or Greensboro, or the Bob Hope, or the American Express. They're not going to do that.

And I would say again, if the tour was hurting for money, and these players were hurting for money, I might understand it, but they're not. The tour is flourishing, they're flourishing. I just wonder maybe if there are some agents, some of these players agents behind it, looking to get richer, I don't know, but I worry about the influences these players are

and the advice they're getting because that's why I wish Arnold were still alive. And I don't know what Jack says and I don't know what Gary says. I'd like to hear from them. But I think it's a bad idea and I think it's a destructive destructive scheme. So yeah, look forward to that interview in its totality on Tuesday night.

The audio of part, I'll explain it in this week, the audio kind of got messed up a little bit. But we're making, we're making lemonade. Did you ask them about the FedEx Cup rap? I did, but I don't know if that got recorded because we had about five different recordings. We had some lost audio. Sure. I don't know what's there and what's not. Honestly, we're going to see what happened there, but we did talk a lot of music

and how all the songs that he played with Jake Trout and the Flounder. Yeah, Jake Trout and the Flounder. So, no, he was, I love getting to know the TV personalities. I love getting to see them outside of their TV personality. Like, kind of get more and long form in here. I'm discussed certain things. So, maybe more on that to come this next week.

We'll see. All right, so, you wanna mention the Rory Q&A. Yeah, big massive shout out to Paul Kimmich at the Examiner, Irish Examiner, I believe. He does these long form Q&As with Rory McElroy. I believe the last one was in 2017. And he dropped part one of that, his latest installment. This, I guess, today, Sunday, I think's the first time I saw it floating around anyways.

And it's just awesome, man. I don't know how to... I've been thinking all day on how to describe it. And I think he actually does the best job of describing it up front in his intro. And luckily, I had time to read the whole thing today in its totality during the commercial breaks of the golf. So that was nice to be able to multitask, but he sets it up with kind of this great anecdotes

about like, which is something I know that we are very familiar with, which is the world that we live in now of media and superstars and trying to get time with people and trying to get them to be their authentic selves. And it just, for a million reasons that you can agree with or not agree with, it just doesn't happen. It's always set up by, you know, he talks about Roger Federer doing an interview that, you know, the journalist was forced to ask about

Moe Shandon Champagne. And you had like this Nadal interview where someone had to ask about this. And it just turns into such a brand orgy that is impossible to get around and impossible to like live without the access to these guys. It's just like it has put journalism in a really shit spot for quite a few years now. And so the one notable mega star exception to that rule that any of us has come into contact with is Roderick Mukhalroy, who, I don't know, unless we're missing something,

just appears to be the realist of the real. And he's the real one. I think we can, I don't know, I think we've seen enough of him and talked to him enough now to know that I don't think we're getting swindled or duped. But. Hoodwinked, bamboozled. Or Hoodwinked.

But anyways, he, Paul had the same experience that we've had with Rory, which is, you know, just hate. Let's sit down and talk with zero strings attached. And I'll tell you actual answers to actual questions. And it just got to turn out so good. And it just reminds you of why you want to root for Rory so much. Yeah, it's, it's this is only part one. And there's several good parts to come from what I've gathered. And it's, it's this is only part one and there's several good parts to come from what I've gathered and it's, it's just fantastic. It's, it's stuff that I would like to think I knew, but I didn't know about how things like played out in 2018 and 2017 and the things we look back on and how he came to the decision to hit a certain club off

of the tee at Port Rush on the first tee and how much all that meant to him and it's, it's fantastic and it's fantastic and it does not exist. Like you said, like Paul said, anywhere else really at the top level of golf. So it's definitely worth your time. No more, don't stop bitching or coming to me for your username and password. It's literally free to read. I thought it was going to be behind a paywall.

Like let me just sign into Google and you can read the article. Please do. Like you could just put a fake email address. I don't know. I guess you do got to confirm your email address. Whatever it is. Just do it. Yeah, just do it.

Hey, this is kind of the whole thing. People need to get paid, man. Yeah. Yeah. We can't afford to starve on praise alone, Randy. It doesn't even cost money. It doesn't even cost money. Yeah, definitely worth your shout out little one.

Shout out to little women. Me and Randy got a movie's trap drive that's coming out this week actually. Can't wait. We both thoroughly enjoyed little women. Oh, it's a quote from, what's the added for getting her name? Mary Alcott, something. Mary Louise Alcott.

Mary Louise Alcott. Speaking of Louise May Alcott. Louise May Alcott, that's what it is. Speaking of being Hoodwington, Ben Bousield, I have to raise my hand, I was duped. I too was duped. The clip of a web sipsids hole in one on Saturday. It really does sound like as the balls rolling in,

Fowldo starts like mumbling something as he always does. It sounds like Nance goes, stop talking. And he doesn't. He actually says like, I'm talking really, really good. They fall all over each other. It's horrible, but just so you know, he didn't, he didn't tell Fowldo to stop talking. As badly as I wanted that to be the case, I had to leave the tweet.

That's really cool. I know. But I, yeah, I was, I felt like Jaw Rule there. I was, it was my own personal fire fest. I wanted that moment to be the case. Couple of questions we got from, and we were going to wrap this up. Alex Hansen, how was 16, not the playoff hole? You see this pretty much every tournament. It's 18 just because of moving the crowd, especially the crowd that size would be a nightmare.

I think this is one of the few tournaments. It's like, no, no, we're playing 18 until we're done. I don't think they move it at any point. Thank you for what? No, that's not true. Because that was out there. Slogger on 18 today said, well, maybe they changed it.

He said, we're gonna keep playing 18. I remember when it was Ricky and Hedecki, they went to like five holes or whatever. I remember because I was walking all five holes and it was definitely not just 18 Who are you walking with? I was walking with I told you that in confidence I was walking with bubble Watson Very randomly. I don't think he would remember that. Oh, yeah, we had a great conversation I want to point this out go look at Bubba's gonna do do this forever, only play well in even numbered years. Only in Ryder Cup years.

He's going to go away and we will be finally done with them and then Ryder Cup year and he's going to make the team on points. I had that. He's going to go one and four and we're going to go do it all over again. I had that in my little like miscellaneous notes. There's like, I don't, this doesn't fit in anywhere else, but like I regret to inform you, Bubba's playing really well. He's probably going to win really soon.

I don't know what happened in that shot on 614 now. It could be, it could be, it could be, it could be Riviera. He probably will win Riviera. John Dempsey, what the fuck was in the pond along 18 when Webb was lining up his shot and look like the catty shat gofer? Uh, correct. You'd be right. Yeah.

The why of that question, I think would be the important part of it. We can't confirm it was the actual go-for-for-for-check. I don't know why this was happening. It was a look alike. But that was a thing. They were using it on transitions all week. Yeah. Dominic Gallo.

Shout out to Calvin Vendor. Dominic Gallo's thoughts on how webs, one in five playoff record coming into today being deemed pretty darn good by Fowdo. How that impacted Females first put in the playoff while hanging up in the, I just wanted to get one more thing. Well, I would point out that, you know, being in six playoffs, like that's a good thing, right?

It's a very good thing. It's a very good thing. It is a very good thing. That's pretty darn good. You're exactly right. Uh, uh, um,

where in, uh, Mike's St. Jack, where in the world was Max Hama going with that shot? He absolutely yanked into the lake. Uh, he was going for the win. He was going for the win as what he was doing. He was turning his best. He was sending it. He did a text afterwards that he hit the quote, Newkey boy three, uh, which is patented

by Neil. Neil always says, you know, I could either hit like, you know, I could either hit a large, a stock eight or I could hit the Newkey boy nine. And so I think maybe Max was trying to squeeze another, another yard or two out of that three iron and then he made a mega five. And he made the mega five. So yeah, as a chestain was, was the Sawasius thing this week, Harry Higgs's bull dance. That was awesome. Yeah. Harry Higgs quickly becoming a fan favorite with his West Coast swing. Like, honestly, I don't think it's that hard of a formula.

Just be like a normal human being. Just be yourself. Like one ayoda person. Yeah, exactly. Just be cool. Like everybody wants you to be cool. Nobody's rooting for you to be a dick. Listen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna concede this some more evidence for the prosecution here.

Jay Andrew, Andrew, just female have a kid for every close, but no cigar? Oh, cool. A runner-up trope. Might be a correlation. Causing situation. I'll say they're any relations there. A runner-up trophy for each of his kids. All kids.

May, Gustav, what do you think it will take for Tony to finally be able to close and get a win this year? I think we covered that for the most part. Well, we didn't.'t talk about what would change. Yeah, maybe. Hey, he's, I, I, again, more evidence for you guys. His putting stats are not very good. Like he should be about, he needs to improve his putting.

Oh, I think I actually left that out. So all those things like he did, this is gonna be a mistrial. No, no, no, no, no. I was trying to prove, no, I was trying to prove a point that like all the stats are so good. The one stat that's not so good coming in this week and putting it was a hundred was 140th on tour. Which he putted really well.

It was great. Didn't he putt well this week? Yeah. Gosh, just a coincidence I guess. I don't even understand what the coincidence is. Couldn't well, I don't know how it happened. He just couldn't win the one week he putt's. I just didn't win.

Sean Bisson, Web Simpson is a very good player, but what is it about him that just makes him one of the least exciting and almost downright boring guys to watch, or am I being too harsh on him? Like honest. I don't know, I'm like, it's wrong. No, I don't, I'm just a little. I think it's just like almost two, maybe two polished.

Tyler Vanilla. You know, yeah, Vanilla. I think this is an extremely unrealistic hurdle for golf fans to get over. But if you go out and do extensive amount of your own research and talk to people that know him and can tell you the amazing stories there are out there about him, which there are a genuinely great person. Like if you knew the stories, you wouldn't ever root against him. He's a class act. He's a class act. But like, a lot of guys get painted as class acts

and aren't actually class acts. That's a good take. That's true. Named names. Genuinely, he is. You won't. He is genuinely a class act. And he, like that is the only reason I've kind of gone

from making fun of him a lot. It's kind of like, there's no real, at least when we started, at least when we started, it was totally, like part of the bit was like, just randomly hating players that didn't deserve to be hated. And then it's like, I got away, it's that.

I was gonna say, well, that is not made into this, into the deal. It's gone away, but like, you at least gotta be failing. It's always gotta talk to him. You at least gotta be failing. I don't know why you said that, man. I think he was joking. He knows that, man. I think he was joking. He doesn't actually think you're dead.

I tried to go over the account that day. No, I think you got to at least be fair to the person. There's, Bubba gives you plenty of reasons to dislike him. Web does not give you any actual real reasons to dislike him. Sure. Yeah, I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Yes, yes. I will say

though, getting back to like using golf purely as entertainment and separating out like any tiny, tiny, tiny bit of like journalistic, you know, integrity we have to have. Like if we were just as fans, it's fun to just hate people for sure sports hate. Sports hate. Yes. That's a good way to. Yes. I think that's people for sure sports hate sports hate. Yes, that's a good way to yes. I think that's I think the word you said, you know, it was like entertainment like sometimes web's not entertaining. Oh, for sure. That's that's kind of it. I get to get I said it's extremely big hurdle to be like, Hey, go out there and find reasons to do for well. I will say one. Yeah, you did the jungle bird dirty. That was that was he

spiked the football in the jungle bird. but he had already authority. He had already had an an intro. Point had been made. Yeah, also the jail cell pal. Well, that was, that was very classless. Kind of a gross misunderstanding of the law as well. Like, what do you think he was going to get prosecuted with? I mean, I think jungle bird has got like a ticket for that. I don't think he goes to jail for that. Jungle bird, if you're listening, we read.

I've tried to reach out to you so many times. Many, many, many times. Many times. To come on to reach out to you so many time. Many, many, many times to come on any podcast. You keep ducking us. But if you're listening, we'd love to have you anytime breaking news that I think we can wrap the pod with Paul Tassori, a great player in his own right has confirmed nothing. But he said, I'm a solid 50 50 right now on my flight, web keeps messing everything up with this good play thing. So we'll see what happens if he makes a debukorn's brings by one o'clock tomorrow for the shotgun start.

Turn them in, we're in tomorrow. I have another announcement, Randy and myself and Tron are also playing, making our return to competitive golf this week, playing in the FSGA one day event at Amelia Island, the die Oak Marsh Course, I believe. There's six people in our flight, three of them are me, Randy and Tron. So, it's the gross division.

It's the gross division. Yeah, not everyone wants to be the man in the arena in the gross division. No safety net, a stroke. Handicap it, handicap it right now. Like what are your three odds to win? Literally handicap it. Like Tron has the lowest handicap.

Like what is Tron's odds to the other three? I know, that's the part of the fun. I didn't put a snop in. Okay. I think there's a guy in there, they're all guys. There's a guy in there who is like a 1.4. Listen, that's gonna be tough. Which is gonna be real tough to beat.

We're hoping for an off day for him. Hopefully the winblings. I think the guy playing with us is like a 5.6. So I think we can go toe to toe with him. We should bring a camera. And then the other guy was a wild card. Either he has a different name in the FSGA system, or he doesn't have an official handicap in the FSGA system.

Seems doesn't compute. So if it's going to get him this other name, I think he's like a three DJ sitting the ball. Very fantastic. Thanks. It's a handicap manager. He's got to play in the grow. We'll see.

We'll see what happens in the gross competition. It's going to be fun to play rule golf, Reggie. Yeah, rainy plays in every game. We're hitting cups. We're hitting cups today. I can't wait to see you guys get bit with the competitive spirit. Just turn into just, I might turn pro depending on how I go.

Penalties on each other. Well, you can request to play together. So the three of us have a featured group. No, sweet. I'll say this, there's an outside arbiter. There's, there's, there's, there's four of them. If I go like 140 tournaments without winning, you're free to say I stink.

What a fucking statement though. If you step up and win this one for one, block off. You've had that hard Tony. Yeah, I'm not technically as good as these guys, but you just got to want it. Yeah, there's winners and there's not. You can only play the schedule out there in front of you. Say it exactly.

You guys are just, you guys are gross. You guys are scum bag. Speaking of TC, are we not reading TC's question that he submitted? What did he submit? He said did Kurt Schilling paint a sock? Sure. It's Jerry still out on out.

No, definitely for sure. uh... sure jerry still out of the for sure uh... anything else before we wrap this a couple things tron also want to be to mention uh... this is a little jimmy rock c-files this is a legitimate one that uh... he's extremely psyched that the vick open is this week down in australia which is if you remember from last year's tournament where men and women play the same course at the same time for the

same purse, I believe. So that's cool. And then the only other thing I want to mention is that Colomor Cowai had three Eagles in the same round, which is wild. He's very eagled four parfas in a row. Yeah. That's wild. I said this last week, like right before he played bad in the fourth round, but he placed some elegant ass golf. Like he might be the, he has potential to be the classiest act we've ever seen. His golf game is so elegant.

So I think this is gonna be a thing. So let's just do it right now. Every time one of the three is mentioned, it's gonna have to be who's gonna be the best out of Maracawa, Wolfen, and Hoffman? So who's it gonna be? That's the rule on this on this pod. If you mention one of the three Eagles in one round.

It's Moracawa. It's gotta be Moracawa now. So sorry, lay breaking request from Trond that the Corn Fairy Tour also goes to Poe Guitar this week, which is always a great event. Also Gary Mule Tour. I don't think you can watch it or not, but you can follow it.

So shout out to the Corn Fairy Tour. Here we go for, it's time for the Super Bowl week of all weeks. Kerry Mule dear, Kenny G. What's your gut impression, Pebble? Give it to me. I don't know. I think we've done this.

I like Pebble. I think Pebble's sweet. Oh, Pebble the golf course? No, the tournament. Oh, no. I like it. It's not for TV. You know, the coverage is got Saturday coverages

the worst day of the year. For sure. Which I actually think that they've gotten better. I think they've gotten a shred better on all the, like, I think probably the tour actually has put their thumb on them a little bit to get a little better, but it's not quite as big of a circle jerk as it used to be. I thought you were talking about Janela's Twitter meltdown. About the couple.

You know, folks are free to check that out at their, at their leisure. Granted though, if you're gonna enter that, I forgot he said, the Thunderdough or something, he's gonna swear you a lot. You did not see that. Yeah, I was gonna see that. One final, final thing.

Speed. Ffff. Not good. The block I've been riding on is it, like at least he's not missing cuts. And he missed a cut this week. And not, he's not dead. This week will at least he's not missing cuts any miss cut this week And not he's not dead this week will be he's not the semi-split okay, right? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah This would be a good indicator right this film seals like a

Termin you know he's one before he there was a course is it set up well for him here somebody made the comp to do ball No, no, it's too early for any of that. I know it is. I know. They asked, is he? So that's your answer? He's not. I would say he's not.

It's an interesting question. It makes you think. I still think Jordan Spees might be the best player in the world. Right now. Occruesfully, right now. Again, you have no idea how bad I want that to be true. He is a killer. He is a complete killer. For sure.

I still have a kill in a while. It's going to take me at least 16 more years before I lose faith. Someone asked about, wow, this is a whole other tangent. Someone asked about Master's Picks. This week, and I was like, you know, it's going to be hard for solid pick speed this year. I will do it right now.

I'll pick them up right now. Speed wins a major, or Tony wins just a tour event, which happens first. Tony wins a tour event. Yeah. As much as I love Speed. Yeah. Tony, one final thing on this is his game,

again, I'm doing your case for it. Speed wins a tournament or Tony wins a tournament is a good heads up bet though. What, his game is so, so tailor-made to give himself so many chances to win I know that's the whole point that he hasn't actually done it but it's I've do strongly believe it's gonna happen because he can compete on so so many golf courses on this on this tour I think that's true yeah I agree

okay he needs what he just needs a big break just needs a big break that is it we are done let's go actually watch the Super Bowl. I have no idea what's happening in it so far. Thank you very much for tuning in. And officially the defense press. Cheers. I'm going to be the right club. Be the right club today.

Yes. Be the right. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most.