No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 28: Barstool Trent

Episode Date: January 13, 2016

Barstool Trent swings by to talk 2016, Rory, Spieth, DJ, the 2016 majors, and of course, Making a Murderer. The audio is less than stellar to say the least, which is my fault. I’m working... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 28: Barstool Trent appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up podcast. I'm going to turn it over shortly to my session with Trent here from Barstool Sports. But when I have a quick note, I apologize for the lack of quality in the audio. I've had a lot of technical difficulties recording the podcast lately. I need... If anyone has any advice on how to record a call on Skype for podcast quality, I'm all ears. But again, apologies for the audio of the recording.

It comes and goes throughout it. It gets better, it gets worse. But, uh, you're an in. I promise it. Still worth your time. Thanks for listening. Give it a big club. Be the right club today. That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. All right ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast for the first time on the show. He's my friend Trent. He's your

friend Trent. Known as Twitter as barstool Trent, Trent, what's going on buddy? Not much man. It's good to finally do this. We've been talking about it for a while. I mean, this is a video podcast, but it's good to put a face to that No-Lang Up Twitter handle. So I'm excited to be here. I really am. This is a treat. Yeah, it's funny how you can kind of almost get to know somebody through Twitter, never talk to them officially, never talk to them outside of DMs. And then like, I think I watched your video

when you went to the Iowa Michigan State game. I realized like, I'd never seen you before. I had no idea what you looked like, who you were. I was cracking up by that. But so yet you're not shy on Twitter about being from Iowa and a huge Iowa fan, so how have you recovered from what happened in the big, big, big, big game? We're further away from now, Coach Paul came to it last night. It still hurts. I mean, we got murdered in the Rosemolls, so that didn't help at all.

Iowa basketball is now ranked. They've had a couple of big wins recently, so that takes the stinger away a little bit. But after going 12 and 0, and even we weren't sure if the team was all that great, but would have been fun to be Michigan State and the Big Ten Jamage of Game, which I was at, like you said, which was a great time, minus the loss. And we would have been cool to see if I could go to the playoff.

But the stings were further away from it now. Basketball's role, and I think we're going to be okay. Were you mostly hoping to win just out of your Iowa fandom or more just to shut kid off that was sitting next to you during the game? Oh my gosh. Dude, he was on me. Like, we put a bunch in the video, but it was even worse than that. He was all over me.

His mom, the next who she didn and cared, she just let it happen. But I think I honestly would rather have like, talk shit in the face of the kid. That would be better than the win itself. He was at that age where he just doesn't fully get it yet. I don't think. I was probably like that up to about maybe even two years ago, so I understand it. He has no idea how to be respectful of him just taunting you every first down. I'm sure a lot of you couldn't help but laugh when I felt your pay the exact same time. I think you deserve a medal for not having questions.

A little bit more part of me, so I've got a guy that's obviously got a video camera, so I don't think the kid was playing enough for now. So I'm expecting a game, him and I are going to shake hands, whatever. We've been talking smack-o game. Games over, clit just bolts, he's out of there. No, he knew that he was doing, he didn't apologize and that's fine, it hurt, but we're invested. He knew also Trent had been drinking and he did not want to feel the wrath of that.

But yeah, it's been a long day. All right, let's talk a little bit about, for those that aren't familiar with you, what you do, you work for your right or for virtual sports. It's talking about how you got involved with bar stool, what bar stool really is, because even I don't know really much of the background about it. Okay, well for me personally it actually connects to the Iowa thing. So I started my own blog, I've been with bar stool two years now. So a couple of years ago I started my own blog called Fly Over Sports.

It was all, it was in the same bar stool vein. It's just kind of like, everything that happens on the internet, pop culture sports girls, that's what we do. So I did that, but I did it all towards Iowa. I did it specifically Iowa. So I did that for a while and then, I don't know if you know Fran McAfry is, he's the head coach at, all right, he's the head coach at all right He's the head coach of Iowa basketball team and he sort of turned the program our last last four or five six years And he's got this red face that he makes me get's mad at the rest

So he yells at the rest he throws stuff is that he's an animated character So I meet these shirts with his face on him called Fran face shirts put him up on my Iowa specific blog called Fran妃 shirts, put them up on my Iowa specific blog, sold a shit ton of them, did really, really well with them, and I ended up getting a cease and desist letter from the University of Iowa, saying, of course, right? It's a dream. It's a dream to get a cease and desist letter. Yeah, it'll like when you have, either way, the nights are good, they'll like when you have a better idea that you make money on them.

So you get a cease and desist letter and say, you can't make money, because we made a point not to put IOR Hawkeye's on it, because we knew something was going to come back on it. So when we got the letter, it was from Fran, quote unquote, saying that you can't make money off my likeness, shut it down. I don't have lawyers, I really can't do anything about it. So I emailed our store sports, and because they have sugar wheat, we have shirts that have like people's face on blah blah blah I figured they had dealt with the same situation. I asked them what do I do about this and they hit me back

They important I the guy who runs it my boss. He said take the shirt down. You're so small that you can't fight illegally But we like the blog. Let's try you out on a trial period with us So that's sort of the conversation with me and him and it just kind of kind of took off from there Where I got it to be full time with them And then how did you get I guess are you where you're golf you talk about golf a lot you read about golf You're always doing about golf or your golf fan growing up or how did you end up in that realm of for bar stool? Yeah, I've always just been a golf fan I grew up my dad loves golf my mom lets golf grow around it Played it a bunch watch on TV a bunch and that's far as getting having a bar stool I got a golf fan, I grew up in my dad's, my mom's golf, grew up around it, played

it a bunch, watched on TV a bunch. And as far as having a bar stool, it's a self-appointed, I'm a self-appointed bar stool get the put off guy because nobody else, I got there, nobody had it, I watched it, I thought maybe this would be a cool thing and to be totally honest, I didn't know if it would work, I didn't know if people were interested in like live tweeting tournaments for blogs all about it, but it is, I'm sure you've seen it now too because you don't know if people were interested in like live tweeting tournaments or blogs all about it, but it is. I'm sure you've seen it now too, because you do the same thing that I do. Tweeting about it goes over like gangbusters. People love it. People do it too.

So that's sort of how I got into Barcelona, but I've always been a golf fan my entire life, and playing it and watching it forever. Yeah, golf food is going to be interesting. It's kind of like the so-and-little, own niche of the internet really. It's hard to, I think you do a great job of it as far as crossing over to other stuff as well. But sometimes I feel like when I cross over to anything else other than golf, I just get absolutely crooked. Absolutely crooked from there. It's very difficult to kind of mesh pop culture. I was making a few making a murder references on Twitter.

People were like, what are you talking about? You're never going to get through to everybody, but it kind of like... We're going to talk about this a little later, I think, with making a murder. But if people aren't getting your murder jokes, then everybody is watching it. Like everybody is watching it. That's their fault. We are going to talk about it later. We're going to end the podcast with it.

So in case anyone that hasn't watched it, you're not going to be worried about any spoilers or anything like that. And then you would ask about how far so general gets hurt? So in case anyone that hasn't watched it, you're not going to be worried about any spoilers or anything like that. And then you would ask about how far so a journal got started. Yeah, that's right. I don't hear about that. Well, started by David Portoic, who has still started at 2003, I think, in Boston. That's where it's headquartered right now.

He started as an actual newspaper. Like a gambling newspaper, kind of driving around town, put it in newspaper racks, as it gets further along the internet, you know, the internet happens, that's an easier way to reach people. I think even when he got to launch the internet, we actually got to let things. What's the thing? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it?

Who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it? Who's it really he started it himself 2003 and just has really built it Up to what it is now. That's that's really the story of it I get to get familiar familiar with it through through following you

A weekly thing you do there or any any any frequency Keep a frequent basis for just kind of go with someone ever you get in your vehicle. It's all, yeah, full time, I'm every day. So we're doing like, I have to do, it's about a blog an hour from like for like a nine to five thing. So it's constant, constant, but no, it's not always golf. It's, I mean, now we're getting more into the golf run

for some more golf vlogs, but it can be anything that's going on in the internet. That's kind of our thing. We cover the internet. I think you would be the inventor. It can credit you on the hashtag. What is this? You're the speed hashtag to trademark. Hashtags snap in there. Yeah, snap in the next and cash and checks and you called him winning the masters last year. and you called him winning the Masters last year. Or did you? Just kidding. Speed your guy.

Speed is my guy. Right now, I think overall Rory's my guy. I really like Rory's. But Speed, you can just see it. You can see it coming. The Masters, I really felt that it was coming. That snap in the next caption checks, he's never once said that.

I mean, I'm not. That's not. That's not exactly like something he would say. I really wanted to say it, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't know what exists, so that's fine. But he never said it, but I really helped that I called. He was going to win it. But some people were like, oh, go, of course he's going to win it. I called it. I did that hashtag, and that kind of helped to get a little traction. But yeah, he's obviously the guy now. He's just got his first one in 2016.

It could be even bigger than 2015. Who knows? But he's my guy right now. Rory, I need him to get back. He's probably my favorite golfer of this of this young core But to deny what speed is doing. I mean, it's crazy. Well, anyone call you a front runner. It speaks to your guy now and you're waiting for Rory to get back into it. Don't let anyone. I'm the biggest fighter to fight for the fight. I have no problem rooting for a receiver, maybe in the top-down of a lot of golfers. Well, I mean, you say people are kind of rolling their eyes at you

predicting speed to win the match. But it is. You can look back now. Or I guess it's hard to look back and remember what it was like leading up to the match, or for instance. It wasn't the turn-space we currently know yet. We were still waiting for the full breakthrough. Bowscar he did win, but we hadn't seen full speed yet. He had the huge off-season, I guess you could call last tree one, the hero and one the Australian open, but I think he was one of the top two favorites to win the master's, but it wasn't like this speed. He would

laugh the field pretty much, but that was not like an easy call by any Look back on the phone off you already a real chance to win a grand slam It went to major is my internment He's just thought we're putting me $53 million so yeah I know but yeah the time it was like your son he was one of the favorites But you can see it coming it was like almost you'll play just that speed wave coming around That was gonna happen actually be bird the field of Augusta. It was almost a little late. Just that speedway of coming around, it was going to eventually be

better than the field that I gust. That was the thing of viewing. Well, it's kind of, and I was watching a little, they had this highlights on recently on golf channel, and he won that thing by Friday. I wasn't sweating it at all Saturday and Sunday. But I remember, I forget to tweet at the staff though. If you look at all of these scores from Round,

I think it was from the last like 45 holes, take the back nine Friday and all the weekend rounds. Like if you've just taken the score from that, Rory would have won the Masters. Like he just got such a slow start. And Speed just kind of went on cruise control. I think he was 14 under or through two rounds or 12 under through two rounds or something.

And he kind of went on cruise control and wanted it, but Roy just started himself too far back and couldn't, couldn't, but so that, that kind of excited me. That's kind of like, I mean, you tend to look back at the results from a tournament from the year before. And Roy never threatened to win that thing last year, but that kind of makes me think like, wow, it's just, it's timing. It's more timing than almost anything. Well, you're right, because before you had said that, I only had no idea.

It's interesting to look at what I mean like you said, you look at results, it's all speed. If you want that master's out right, it was done by Fred here absolutely right. But if you look back a little bit, you say, we're right by, but what I want, Tiger was in those final groups trying to tell you, snap the phone and it's not gonna be. Some surgery on himself in the middle of the golf course. Right, right, he's a man. I can't do a podcast without that coming up. I cannot.

Every single one, the bone pop again and this really comes up. I'm not going to bring it up. It's incredible because I remember the interview, I told her, they're like, what happened to you out there? And I respect them, like, I'm fine, whatever. He's like, I snapped a fucking bone back into my... My order would I leave your order? I mean, it was just casual about it. He's like, yeah, the bone popped out, but I just a fucking bone back into my... My arm would... I don't even know what it was. He was just casual about it. He's like, yeah, the bone popped out, but I just put it right back in.

That was the thing, it was so casual. Everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then, so yeah, you look at it, it was really easy, it was all... And it went all over. And then there were some guys up there, which is... The issue, how does Renaudi not have a follow-up question to that? How do you... Somebody breaks a bone in their body or pops a bone out.

How do you not have a follow-up question to that? How breaks a bone in their body or pops a bone out. How do you not have a follow up question to that? I'm not a Rinaldi guy because it seems to me like he's just trying to make you cry at all times. Yes. So every time he comes on, he does the college game he wants to work. Like, as soon as he hits his voice, it's like, all right, break up the clean ex goes. He just has to affect all people. He's incapable of asking, like, how something feels.

You know, you hit the shot of the 18 as a 175-yard draw right into the flag. What did that feel like? I'm a Ronaldo-all this way. I understand why people don't like it. That's our first disagreement. I think we're going to have one more disagreement at least later on.

But I want to get you, all right, so if you predicted speed to win the Masters last year, I want to hear all four majors. Okay, how much thought you have to put into it? Who are your winners are of the majors this year? I definitely just put you on the spot. I definitely have a comment. Do you want to go on a world tour. You can do whatever you want. I think order makes the most sense. A master's in April Augusta.

This is the... I can see speed repeating. I can see him coming back repeating. I don't see why not. That's the thing. Right now he is way hot so you know is that course he obviously can play that really well I think he comes back and does a repeat that's mine as well I think for me picking that I had a lot more to do with him finishing second the year before than it did necessarily him winning last year I think inherently results are really hard to repeat but finishing second then first in the manner that he did kind of makes me think That's really could be a course where that he's specifically set up to succeed on so I actually he's the one I call it in my email bag

Speed to win the master so on the same page Oh, looks okay. U.S. Open is it Oakmont in June in June. And I haven't even looked in it. So I'm going to be a complete shot to the dark. I'll say this, does some jobs that you're going to run into? That's my pick for the US Open. Are you serious? Yeah, you can go see it.

I think it's a December mail bag I have on the site. Those are my first two picks. And I've not even seen it. It's going to be in the US Open. Right. He's like, he's the kind of guy who honestly, might down alone, can walk in. He's still leastingly to me in multiple majors.

Like, he's just, he's just got it. He's come close a couple of times and we know that they have been completely disaster. It's like last year Chambers Bay. But he's one of those guys, yeah, maybe the US opened this year, but he's one of those guys who, he can overpower a course.

He's talented. He seemingly has forgotten about all of his failures, the second after the after. Did you see that story about how after the Chambers Bay, Massacre, I guess we can call it, the next day or the next couple of days, Wayne Gretsky went out with a couple of buddies and played golf. And Justin was like, yeah, let's go play. I feel totally normal.

I play this league just think he is of a different breed from all of these guys. I mean that almost in the worst but best way. I mean this point before that I don't know what Dustin's actual intelligence is. A lot of people like to assume that he's not very smart. I don't think that's necessarily fair, but I think there's a little bit of evidence there. So I think he makes that work in his benefit and that he doesn't get in his own head and man if there's ever a guy I didn't feel that bad for missing that plot on 18 it was DJ because I just like I feel like he has the mental Fortitude or lack thereof to be able to handle something like that where if that was me I'd still be in tears on that 18th

Green like I would I would have a questiony that would ruin my life. I get what you're saying though, there's a line that people are, I know what you're saying trying to struggle where it's like, you know what I call dumb, because I'm not sure you still have a, but I guarantee there's some athletes out there that wish they could have a short-term, a short-term memory like that. Like he has to completely forget, I just asked for the camera's bay and then we'll see that the open chain picture was such a, such a mess, but I mean he was dominating that course for, I can't remember cause the rounds were cut up

cause there was so many delays. It felt like it was his for all of the, the six holes. He was the leader after 36 holes I think. And then it did not go well and we couldn't at all for him. But I mean, again, that just doesn't, some people might think that that scar tissue

built up for him, but I just don't buy that at all. I think he has to break through at some point I don't think he choked on the 18th green at Chambers Bay. I think he kind of got screwed a little bit by the greens like everyone did the timing Just didn't really work out for him. So Well, he just went for that eagle putt so hard, you know He went for that putt He wanted to make that he didn't care about the comeback. You probably wouldn't even think about the comeback or I just don't think that plot on that second that birdie putt was a joke. I don't think he pulled it that bad. I think

it just it's hard to predict when you're putting on greens like that which direction the ball is going to come off on. I know a lot of people gave me a hard time because I was learning a lot about the greens and a lot of the players were. But if you put on uneven greens, you just can't't you can hit a perfect button it starts on the complete wrong line and that's not a player's fault I just don't think I didn't want to come to come down to that moment and I hated them for it. I don't understand people coming at you by the chambers they greens did they see them as soon as the telecast card you can see it's like these

are there's even one plan for getting what I'm providing it but they put and it hits all the way. Yeah. You guys put it in its own, it hits a little rim. Yeah. It's not that you guys did it to fuck very well when you got shitty dreams like that. Well, I think the point is everyone's got to play M, so why does it matter? And I get that a little bit, but it's just like, I don't know. You just don't want it to come, I don't want it to come down to that. It's kind of the same way, I don't get to watch a lot of NFL anymore,

but the new extra point role, I think it's stupid. I don't understand it at all. Like, and why do we want to make a football game potentially come down to an extra point? Like, look at that being a deciding factor. I just, I just, I don't know. That's not the way I wanted to see the games decide. I see, I see both ways. I see it, I see it that way, but then I also see it.

I think what they did is they went back and looked at the history of PATs and when you're over a certain amount and kickers have made all kickers over all the time, it made like 90% of something. It almost seems like it's not even, there's no point in doing it unless there's a child. Right, but I think strategically it makes a lot more sense in that here's the thing, you score a touchdown, you have six points, you can take the free point. Let's call it free, let's assume it's 100%. You can take the free point or you can gamble almost 50-50 that you'll get the two-point conversion. That's kind of

a cool dynamic. If the extra point really made you think of that, really consider going for two more off. I don't think a lot of teams really did that this year. They were hoping probably for it, but I don't think that really affects the strategy of it at all. It just kind of affects the what happened to Blair Walsh. It was not an extra point but like, you don't ever want a game to come to that. You wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy. I'm sorry. I did like a little bit of pleasure watching something like that. The whole thing. The action... You know, going on, I'm holding now that those Vikings react to videos.

They put us like a lot more so. People just these Minnesota people, and I'm living in this weather right now, because I'm right by minutes only, where it's negative, 23 windshield. Living and dying with your biking to the essence of Shikshaw. But I can't even point, I see,

like if it didn't push more people to go for two, which you're right, I haven't seen it, I can do that. It's just been getting us looking scores when I kick our misses one or two. Yeah, so yeah, but I just don't understand there's dry day and wine to make kicking more important. But yeah, that's anyways, that's completely different

subject. So let's get back to, all right. So we got speed to the masters, DJ, the US Open. British Open this year's Royal Trude. But you got, I bet you're going to probably pick the same guy I think I bet. We're going to go for it before. Um, let's say, oh, let's say this is Royce. Are you reading my mail bag right now? You have it up on your screen?

I have not. I have a small one. I have it up with your screen? I thought it's where I'm at. I have it. I don't know what the fuck I have about it. I have it really there. I'm not that familiar with Trunard, but I think Rory, I've, I've, I've, I've, include on the last three majors, all of them are like, guys that I think are going to win majors this year. I couldn't, couldn't pick which way I wanted to shuffle them. So I don't have a specific reason why I would take Rory and at the British over and eat any of the other majors, but I think he's going to win one of the decent fit.

I mean, Bill, it's exactly what you said. I don't know if these guys are going to win these exact majors, but it feels like these are the guys, and they are the guys kind of circling in. They're always in the most talented player on the planet. I mean, speed this, this fine, he's obviously great. I'm not supposed to laugh that guy speak this fine. He's obviously crazy. I'm not supposed to laugh that guy. When I said fine, I already had a medallion regret about that. That's like, that's like kerb metapimia. He's not obviously crazy.

He doesn't do anything that great, you know. He's not my face kerb. But okay, what the worry is, you know the one that was going to need to probably get up for the omachini and chill. You know what as fast as that. Well, I feel like a lot of people have the opinion and I don't necessarily disagree with people say Rory's A game is better than anyone's A game. But maybe in maybe Capeluvans not like the best look into a actual, that's for a player or a challenge.

But I'm sorry, did you see anyone that could have beat what Cap would speedow would speak just did that was speeds a game I say Kaplow did you see anyone that could have beat that even Rory is best like I think that's a 10 out of 10 I think it's as good as you could have hope Rory could have played there but I don't think necessarily like Rory has this gear that speak doesn't have. I think that's right and And this last tournament, the way that he won, he strokes 30 under, and it really didn't even look like he probably swed some of it. It didn't look like he played that well. It was kind of, he missed like a lot of little, like, kind of shortish plots. And like, yeah. And then you see it's like 64, 65, 66. It's like,

yeah, I guess that's probably true. I mean, a game, we're in a game speed. I cannot even love to watch that do it. Yeah, and that's why I feel like as good as 2015 was, speed, we're in day. We never really got them all really going head to head speed day at the PGA, but it wasn't that close. We had a day kind of kept them in a bay for the most of the whole day.

Oh God, we get bus this year. Let me rest on the fast. Yeah. So I've been thinking about Rory and Tommy and I on the video. You see, and this is gonna kind of work with him while he doesn't care about all. But I feel like he's one of the guys who, just like some of the things he said that he, like see that I look at him and I see like a psycho killer.

I see him like one to slip through with some B-2 by H-Trunks on the first frame of the year, but then I remember when Roy came back from his ankle surgery. But he was coming back and some rapport asked him, how much did you miss the game of golf? And you're expecting somebody to say, oh my god, this is my life and it encapsulates me, I couldn't even watch golf because I wanted to play so bad. Roy says, I actually didn't miss it as much as I thought I was going to. And then he says, he doesn't care about winning the tour championship because he doesn't need the money for the money.

What do you, I see, I look forward to those. I actually, that's kind of one of the reasons I really like him. Can I humanize the same? He's not saying can't answer as that. He knows the media are going to pick up on, but I feel like both of those things that I said rub the media, the normal media the wrong way. I just wonder how you feel about that. No, I totally agree in that. I think Rory is one of the most candid

interviews in the game when he's feeling on his game. I think he's not the times which he should the way the media speaks with us. But people, it's not the first time really his desire level has come into question. I mean it's mostly based on comments that he said. He even says like and I don't have the quotes in front of me, I don't know them exactly, but something about when he won the last two majors last year is motivation level just kind of dipped and he's not really, I think he kind of needs that, like what what's beef and day did last year. I've heard some similar quotes from him saying how much that motivated him and that got me motivated.

Like here and that was like, holy shit, we get the full rory back in the mix this year. This is going to be absolutely, but I think it's a fantastic question and if I ever get the chance to speak to Rory, I want to specifically ask him about that and say, it's been floated out there, the people question your motivation at times and you have even referred to it a lot. It does your motivation dip. I think the answer to that question is going to be truthfully yes. Even somebody like Tiger back in his prime, I don't know if you've ever read Hank Haney's

book, but he talked about just being done for the game and I'm not necessarily that had to do with his success, but going into the Navy SEALs and something like that. Once you kind of kind of, something you and I can't relate to until we get to the very top of the blogging game. We can't relate to just being the best and not being able to be beat and feeling a sense of accomplishment and being done with that. It's like, no one is feeling a good time. Yeah, like nobody can really relate to that.

I don't think ever. So, I don't know. I think Rory is the first one. But every. But I think Rory always snaps out of it. He goes to these little dips where he's like, all right, now I'm back at it. They happened last year after speed one of the masters. He went out one of the Wells Fargo, one of the match play, and it was like, all right, speed you had your run, I'm back now. And then he rolls his ankle. It was really frustrating. That's another thing. Roll the ankle just to eat.

I don't want That's another thing. Roll the ankle just, he's not a one-do-one or something. But if you said that, you know, you have to ask him that question, you do. And the good thing about Rory, and this is to come to the point, is that most players would be like, not telling a disrespect or questioning, you know, like they'll snap your head off. But I think Rory would actually be thoughtful and wanting to answer it. So it's something that I have a thing about it, and I think it's interesting. No, he's referred to it too, So I think it's definitely a fair question. I mean, I think for this coming year,

I think we're gonna see Old School four, five win, Rory. And so somebody asking the question, that I think Speed Day, Rory Rickey combined when more events this year than the rest of the entire PGA tour, I kind of spelt at the question first like, come on, no way. But I think if you, if you fact, if you talk about the tournaments we're all for them are playing, I would say they probably will, don't you think? Probably, yes. I would think so. And I've seen the same question you have where Rory is now saying that watching speech and day, there's emergence as, you know,

that everybody's talking about when all the tournaments, that gets me fired up too. Because I do think he needs something to rail against. I can eat something to get him going. And this is a perfect situation. Yep. That's easy to forget too, he lays a four-time major winner at age 26, 27 or so.

Like four majors is a lot. I mean, it really is. And it's, it's, oh man. It's a short list. Four majors is a lot. I mean it really is and it's it's It's a short list four majors of shortlets. It really is and definitely active players And he's got so he got 15 good healthy years in front of him. He doesn't go full tiger on God, we are just strapped in for the best run of non-tiger run of golf it I know as much as I I best run of non-tiger run of golf. I know as much as I I I beat the tiger drum as much as I can because I feel like people are kind of forgetting about him but I mean golf cannot be set up better with guys like day, foul or rory's beef. It's incredible. I really, it's all right. I

hate that we even have to talk about this topic. We'll get to the PJ Chambership in a second but that we even have to talk about this topic. We'll get to the PJ Chambership in a second, but worry, sorry, Ricky, the high tops and the joggers, yeah, you're nay. I'll tell you why, because I think we might need to sit on this. I don't, I don't love it. Like I don't, I think it's interesting. The reason that I'm into it, and it's good that it's Ricky doing it, because this is his, the fascacist thing. He dressed like an orange highlighter for the first couple of years. People love the kids with crazy for it. So if it's anybody else, I might be inclined to like, what are you doing? Like you're an asshole. But with Ricky, it's good because I think injecting youth into the game of golf is far from the worst thing you can do Right, I think I think I could be wrong, but I think that he is the most popular

Golf for American golfer amongst young kids like I almost think there's no doubt about it So I think all these announcers kind of being like oh You know shaking their head at it. I think that's kind of just kind of old guys doing old guy things I think this is a good thing. I'm not like I don't I don't like it. I don't love the look, although I kind of do. I love the idea of it. I can get a steering golf in a younger direction and to a younger family is a great idea. Then I can get behind.

I can get behind that. I said this on Twitter, I'm fine with the high thoughts. I don't think it looks great, but I don't come with that. People have problems when golfers in a way that's been a shoe look or whatever. And I love that look. I think it's a great look, it's comfortable. I don't understand with that people have problems when golfers and a wimp that's been a shoe look or whatever and I love that look I think it's a great look comfortable I don't understand the purpose of high-times from a bunch of the audience to end point but again, I let that slide but man

The job is it looks like sweat pants out there. I know you love sweat pants It just does not look good. I'm not I'm 29. I'm not a curmudgeon I'm not the whole like a few years older than Ricky. You just won't see me out there with a elastic waist fit. I lost the pants on the finger. You need the jogger's sort of a focus in terms of fashion, because you can swim with the joggers and the high tops.

You can see the high tops better, you don't cover that up. And Ricky's been said in the inter-post-traumat review with this last tournament where he's like, they're like, why are you wearing what you're wearing now? And he's like, oh, I wear jogger the whole time. They're comfortable. But he said there's footpants. He's like, I figured I would why are you wearing what you're wearing now? And he's like, oh, I wear jogger the old time, they're comfortable. That he said, there's sweatpants. He's like, I figured I would just take it to the corpse. And that's exactly what he did.

He caused, I thought, that whole narrative of him wearing sweatpants and joggers almost overshadowed the entire term. I know, I'm dead. That's why I hate to even ask you about it. But I feel like, I feel like such an an old, old hag even taking this take. Because I, I didn't want to, when I'm agreeing with like the old announcers on TV, but I know how to golf to me is like looking fresh, looking sharp. But I'm also a proponent of the White belt and people seem to hate the White belt now.

So maybe I'm not the best fashion guy to be asked to be able to do it. I think, I think you just got to keep the bigger picture in. And it's Ricky, which is good. This is his thing. And it's just, we're trying to steer it a little bit towards the orange generation because golf is obviously like a little old person. Yeah, and I'm all for it. I'm all for bringing in people into the game.

I just, maybe this does resonate with them, but, you know, I don't care enough about it to talk about it as much as I already have. But before I want to ask you about one particular person, a major pick for the PGA Championship to talk about it as much as I already have. So, I'm not sure this guy's gonna win this particular tournament But this feels again sort of like detail kind of do Ricky feels do okay Was that your pick? No, it's not my pick. We did not go for for four so Ricky daddy people thought he was overrated which was Ricky did it, people thought he was overrated, which was complete bullshit. That's another thing with Ricky. It is the first couple of years why some people are so turned off by wearing orange or wearing

the bright colors, it's because there's no substance. There's no winning behind it. You don't want to be the guy who wears crazy outfits and doesn't make cuts. So Ricky's no longer that guy. That's why he kind of do what he wants. But you won the players players one a couple others this I think this is his next step up even what was a laughter or two years ago He finished in the top five and I don't major two years ago No, I don't give me a wrong about what I said about the joggers. I'm a big Ricky said

I've been a Honourman for a long time. I didn't pick him to win the PGA, but I could easily be convinced for him when he made this effort. I think it's not very hop-tick, it's pretty easy taking it. People just were kind of critical that the flash, the look wasn't quite matching the win total yet. But again, it's just like, you can't judge somebody on that before they turned 26. It's just ridiculous. He came out so young. He was 20 years old and he came on P.J. for, got to give these guys time. They never do.

It's nice to see him match his star power too. For some spoiled that one, it goes like Roy's, he's a beef world. When are these majors? Before they get their mid 20s? It's ridiculous. Some of these amateurs are out there. I had this guy's playing pretty well. I then need to cut this week.

It's like now flash over to Jordan Speed, who's younger than this amateur in the field. Like, if people get on, you know, he gets beat to death as well, how young Speed is, but you can't lose sight of that. These guys, I forget, and I lost track of his college years, but I think he's still supposed to be,

like maybe just a few months out of college, right? Six, eight months out of college. He left Texas as a sophomore. I think he left that for one year. Yeah, he did that one and done. Number one pick in the draft. So yeah, like guys like we're right to be that completely nice up the curve for. Yeah, I got a little brother like Ricky who otherwise could would be like this is great.

You know the players. He's got a couple other ones under his belt. Yeah, it's just yeah. Yeah. I went with the PJ Championship again. I kind of took the mode, I think he's going to win one this year and I have people with me. My guy, Bruce Cunca, Bruce Cunca, I had to do it.

Now, no, you don't know him? That's such a, that's such a, you, that's a UK. Yeah, sure, it is. I picked my picks, well, I'll take picks. That's what I, I can already hear people say it. I picked four in this. I picked DJ is I picked my picks were all hot take things That's what I I can already hear people say it I think At least kept at least he got some balls picking kept up. Yeah, I'm gonna pick like the 16th ranked player the world is the lowest ranked player I picked a win-and-mater this year Hey, I and you kind of got on me. We were talking about this you kind of got on me and I were talking about this, you kind of got on me, and I was talking and we were sweet with Ashley about how I love Brooks now. I love it. I thought he looked great this weekend.

The Nike gear really helps with me. I think I'm such a tiger fan, that when I see somebody else wearing Nike, I'm like, that's going to be, he's going to be a winner. I like Capco. We'll see. I'd be great if you could wear it. I'm glad you said that about the Nike gear because my man crush, we were wearing, or everyone's aware that it's It's bordering on like you know restraining water levels and I'm fine with that, but I'm glad you said it out the Nike gear because I think he looks so fresh and in the gear and I It looks so athletic and I maybe gotten in a little bit even better shape between the last time I saw at the end of the year He just looked like an absolute athlete out there, and he looked at you as swinging even faster, and I was expecting some growing pains with

the new equipment, and preferring to finish third in the first event of the year, was like, whoa, all right, maybe I shouldn't take him lightly. He's one of the few guys, and it might be each, it might be the other one, where I wrote this really this week. I feel like you put him on a basketball court, put him on a baseball diamond, and they would be fine. They're just athletes, and that's what Brooks reminds me of. He's an athlete. Yeah, and I still think his game is, it's found with, I guess, I think he's tough, you

know, whatever the world likes. I think his game is a bit raw in that he still just has some of the, he makes like a lot more mistakes than the guy likes to be the rory is going to make. If he grows out of that phase, I think he always tends to make a big memory. He throws up a quad when he when he has at least a 4-2 or just hit that one shot and people love reminding of me of it whenever he does hit that shot. You've been carrying that flag, so you gotta take those twins. I'll take it, but it's like,

people were getting on me, I mean, bogey the first two holes someday, it's like, wait a second here. Like, he could be in 20th place, and not even on the broadcast, nobody would be saying anything to me right now. You should be, honestly, you should be happy you're getting those twins,

because at least he's playing well enough. That's 63 on Saturday, was something else. I missed most of it. I was out because I get Saturday night for me, like these Hawaii tournaments are terrible for me. I come home, I had a few beers, and I can put these tweets, it was like,

but kept you just burning six in a row, and I missed a whole damn thing. I watched so much of that turn of this weekend, missed a couple of them. Where do you live, what play did you live on? I live in the Netherlands. I live in Holland's. And they have started it.

So yeah, we're calling across seven times zones here. That was great. That turn was great for me. I'm Central Times zone. That's like prime time calls. It was running from like five to the end of the 90s. It was great. Being a sports fan in Holland is not the best.

That depends. I'll sometimes it works out really well, but some of these tournaments I just can't do, the West Coasters and the Hawaii ones I can't do. Basically, any night football basketball, anything I miss, so I gotta do it. So what time is it there right now? It's 9.40 p.m. right now, so 2.40 p.m. for you.

Wow. That I'm a big West Virginia fan, West Virginia plays Kansas tonight. 1 a.m. tip here, so. I'm gonna nap a little Western in place Kansas tonight one a.m. Tip here, so I'm gonna nap a little bit when we're done here and then set the alarm and were you living there at the last writer cup? No, I moved the week like two days after the writer cup basically. I was gonna say that would be perfect because that's stuck for me watching that.

Yeah, that was brutal. They started seeing off it to a hill. Yeah, that was brutal actually. I actually is our teen off at 2 a.m. Yeah, that was brutal. Actually, it actually helped me get on the Europeans sleep sketch all right before I moved there. I think I moved on. Yeah, I moved September 30th and it ended the week in the morning.

All right, I think we've done well with golf, because I'm just dying, absolutely, itching at the seams to talk, making a. If anyone that hasn't seen making a murder yet, I'm going to get your opinion on this at first. I don't feel like it's that bad of a spoilery show, right? Like, but you could listen to this and then still go back and watch it and be fascinated by it. You agree? Totally. Yeah. You can't like, and this was a big thing on Twitter, like, when can we start tweeting about it? When can we start trying new matters? But it's like, you just get bits and pieces like you can't explain, especially show like this,

and a couple of tweets you can't spoil, unless you're like you're saying, how it all ends up like the last episode or something. But just talking about things here and there, I know, I don't think it's a spoiler show like that. Well, if you want to watch the show first, then come back and listen to this moment. Please go ahead, but I'll start now, and with spoiler from saying, you know what it's gonna be at the end. You know, they're not putting that whole trial together for him to be, to be not guilty, right? And the documentary doesn't even make it, if he's not guilty, right?

I think it's still a bit like a minute. I'm also the way through. I was still wondering what the verdict was gonna be for Steven H. I really was, because the main thing for me is that this his defense team wasn't credible. They are super stars, deem strength and uh... Jerry Beauty, Jerry Beauty. I've got their, I've got them on speed down. I'm trying, I'm like ready to commit a crime just so I can have those guys defend me. I felt the same way. So you went into it, I guess, early as while you watching you thought you knew it was going to be guilty of that.

Well, I just seem enough with the outed and it's sort of a few headlines that as you're watching, you're like, there's no pathway, he could be guilty. But I suppose people have learned that maybe I just subliminally knew that he was going to be convicted and with the real opening the cases somewhere else. I'll stop it like that. Okay. You just, I don't know.

You, you, unless, I feel like we would have heard about it if he wouldn't have been guilty and like, because the police department would have had to be prosecuted basically for framing and committing fraud, basically. So that's a real like that would have been a bigger story than him getting convicted. Right. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know, that's the ad has been perusing the Reddit, the making a murder or a Reddit board for the past,

like, weak plus man. And like, somebody made a great post and just said, like, look, he's one of the lucky ones. Like, he had great representation. Like, how many times does this happen where, like, it just sound, I don't know. And, apparently, you wanna believe that the people in charge there are not abusing power.

But as you just watch this clip after clip, you just realize the power keeps building on top of each other. And you're like, there's no level you can go to to trust anything, even though when they write FBI, and you're like, what are the FBI did with shady as hell? Like, how high up can this possibly go? And, obviously, the documentary is saying, if they want you to think he got free. But

it's not like a big intellectual leap to think. Okay, so this guy was wrongfully accused of a rape. It's been 18 years of his life in prison. Gets out is trying to get $36 million is suing the county sheriff's. It's not an intellectual leap to think that, all right, let's pin something on this guy. So so everything or the whole loss it goes away and we don't look like fools it's that's a scary thing yeah so I'm gonna I'm just gonna read this read this post that I read on Reddit today it's called Steve Avery Schrodinger's criminal simultaneously a mastermind an idiot I don't know who Schrodinger is but anyways a mastermind and idiot, I don't know who Schrodinger is, but anyways, I probably won't read this whole thing, but it says, alright,

this is his genius, apparently. Abdux woman in broad daylight without anyone seeing. Abdux woman who was known to be going to his property, so it's like comparing the mastermind and an idiot thing of him. Blinds and rapes woman in privacy of own home, idiot-side, invites young nephew to join. Cleanse up, rape, and kill area to a spotless degree leaves completely visible jobs of blood in women's car. Again, none of this stuff is like making it does not go together. Hyde's woman's vehicle unlock covered in debris. Doesn't use crusher to destroy

it and all the evidence inside. That's one of the main things for me. The guy had only a salvage or a heavy empire crusher and he's just like, oh no, I'll park it near the entrance and come with a couple of dry like boards. What is the biggest piece of evidence for you that makes you think he's guilty? Like, you're like, oh, we need an explanation on that. You haven't gotten me quite there yet. But what do I think makes him guilty? Well, honestly, there's nothing that's

worse under the documentary. Everything that makes the documentary make me think he's innocent. But there were a lot of people who saw these articles that come out with stuff that wasn't included in the documentary. And there was one where he had requested that Theresa Holled on. Come on to his property a bunch of times. He had called her, he had done all these things.

Which again, weird, but not enough for me to think that. That doesn't make him a killer. Right, now, for me, I think like everyone, thanks for watching the documentary, upset he can't possibly be guilty. Go to read stuff about it. You see this article, nine things they left out of the documentary, upset, he can't possibly be guilty. Go to read stuff about it. You see this article, nine things they left out of the documentary.

You read it, blah, blah, blah. Until you realize the source of this information was Ken Kratz, the prosecutor. He was the one that came up with this information. And so Dean Strang actually made a video or something responding to each of these things he said and just tears him right back down. So I went from like, not guilty at all to reading it

be like oh this guy did it this documentary is shit and then coming to coming right back to even being even more confident that he did not do this just does not make sense. I can't say I just want to kill him. I can't get a kill. I'm Kaczynski, Sheriff Colburn, James Lake, all these guys just drive you nuts. I mean, okay, sure, there's a question. Do you think he did it or not?

I do not think he did it. Do you? I don't think he did it either. It doesn't, the motive is not even close to being there. I don't understand it. Like, for his, is it, the only thing that the compelts the composite come up with that is that a sexual desire, joy, whatever. He tells his whole family she's coming there that day. Okay, it's broad daylight and supposedly he's just gonna rape her or kill her, burn her there, then spread her bones in different places,

and the white completely, where did he kill her? Where did he kill her? They can't possibly explain that. Right, that's the thing where that's where Brennan-Dassy's testimony makes no sense. He says that they had her on the bed, fighter up, slithered through. There's no blood. No DNA. Nothing, they're fingered, not on the, not on the,

not on the, not on the DNA. Nothing, nothing in the, nothing in the bedroom. Nothing in the, the garage except, it potentially, claimant blood that they didn't find until like the fourth time and the man at so hot guys found it so it's yeah it's and another thing for me there's over so many but the blood in the back of her Rav4 that's like from her hair why would he transport the body from is garage or trailer to a burn pit that's 20 feet away. You know what, one of the best things, not best things,

the biggest like, the document doesn't go into too much as to who they think the other candidates could be, but the two most suspicious guys to me are Scott, Tattich, whatever Tattich, and Bobby Dassy, the only two guys that can verify it to an Alibi. But what the document does not say is after this incident, Bobby Dassy had unexplained scratches on his back that he claimed were from a puppy.

Yeah, like what puppy, I don't know what the scratches look like, but it's like, that sounds like something I might want to investigate a little bit more. And this, and Matt, what you just said is one of the things that they did sort of not the scratches, but they talked about during the trial was the judge or Wouldn't let and this was a big flaw they wouldn't let the defense bring up other potential culprits of the crime So as soon as they wanted to maybe if Trang and dirty wanted to go down that road it got shut down. That's that's not fair You can't be a QZ a guy a murder and not let the defense team if it's, we don't think it's him, we think it's this person.

Right, and they're almost like doing the prosecution's work for them. Like this should have been thought of and investigated as well. Like, it should have at least been able to say how they've ruled a certain person out. There should be documentation as to how they've not, they've not included, but they, you know, have effectively, I don't know what the word is, eliminated a person from being a suspect. But there's none of that. They didn't even try.

Another is the ex-boyfriend who's still needing voicemails, guessing her password. I have a name. I read a great theory on that. I don't have them in front of me. I can't repeat it. I can't really read it back. Something about, somebody tied that all in together. Maybe I'll try, if I find it, I'll link to it in the description. I can't really read it back, but something about... Somebody tied that all in together.

Maybe I'll try... If I find it, I'll link to it in the description. This isn't the thing with this, because I went down to say Red or Warhol, but you did. And I might've seen you down there. A pretty good thought about it, about how I felt about documentary after just watching it. And then you would eat 50 theories,

and you'd kind of get all confused. But I still don't think you did it, that would be my main stance. But they definitely didn't have enough to convict him. If I wanted to hedge, I would say, maybe he did it, but they didn't have enough to convince. I mean, definitely the Manitoward Sheriff, I have him saying, all right, definitely stacked the deck against him. If he did it, then they definitely just wanted to get a conviction. So they planted the bullet, they planted, they syringe the blood out of the vile. That's just...

Yeah, that blood thing doesn't... I think mixed things I read about, I guess, whether or not you, they do put a needle in the top of those two. Because a lot of people online say that it's normal. I'll over in the documentary, Joe Buting says we talk to a technician here and they don't do that here. So I don't know how I feel about the blood. But somebody also on Reddit, I don't know if you saw this, put blood on a Qtip and then like put it on their car, just like in that same area. It looks exactly like the blood looks exactly like it does in the documentary. Like it would have been applied by a Qtip.

Oh man. But then there's the... Yeah, I'm not sure, because I've read the same things that you have where different companies, different lab companies do things differently. But then there's also a key in his bedroom, which it's like a small bedroom, and after they went through it a couple times, the fourth time they found a single

key out in the open. Same guy. Binklank found it. There's no question he was framed. There's zero question about that, if you ask me. But Bullet makes absolutely no sense in that in the garage six months later, whatever, on the 18th, searcher, whatever that was. And then no splatter, like a gunshot splatter.

He's obviously cleaned, only heard blood out of that garage, yet there's still deer blood in there, somehow. Yeah, his DNA is still all over the place, but none of her DNA, or I don't know, Brennan's DNA, I'm sure Brennan's DNA would have been anything. Yeah. I think they said, if you bleached out in a complete area, then you're not going to find any

DNA. Everybody's DNA is gone. For him, just to clean up Teresa's DNA is... And no blood to go in the concrete at all. No blood dealing with like texture criminals, dealing with Steven A. Green, where they say has like a 70 IQ and Brendan Dassy knew I just feel horrible for who's getting manipulated by these these investigators. That that that one that makes even less sense to me. I was I guess I should go back and I acted like I knew it

was gonna be guilty all the time. I was still like when Avery was guilty I was damaged like it just sunk me. But when the Dassy thing came up I was like he's probably guilty to now that Everything's corrupt here, but and then I went back on to you. We watched the Dassy trial episode What do they have on him that might be even more ridiculous that conviction might be even more ridiculous All they have is his initial confession. He's changed his story 18 times. He has no idea what to say He doesn't know what the word inconsistent means He thinks he thinks he's guessing on his homework that's that's his logic in

this head even said I don't know how's guessing like I do in my homework like no bread and dassy should not be a present it's even a great still growing up definitely not bread and dassy when you got a kid who you interview for four hours I mean it's to this horrible horrible crime of raping and murder and trace all of that. And then once it's all over, it says, am I going to get to go back to school? Because I have to present a project six hours. You're not dealing with a person who can fully understand what's happening to them. No, not at all. You can just confess to that.

And again, the documentary is going to be, it's pretty one-sided, I'll be honest, but I'm fine with the way they present it. I think it's pretty accurate from what I can tell. But, Avery, again, we're not talking about a mastermind criminal, we're talking about a guy with an IQ around 70, so they say, never once ever seems to slip even slightly to implicate himself. There's not like, and again, you start to tell when somebody's lying or not,

but if you just listen to the interviewer, he's like, why didn't do it? I mean, it doesn't sound like a guy was lying to cover anything up, it just, right. It just, it's like a... And it's like for a guy to not drink. Like eventually I feel like somebody if you're guilty, maybe not, but you're gonna break.

Like if you're in there for a amount of time, but like all of his phone conversations, everybody calls it and he's like, I need to do it, I don't know if I, because they say really, if I was guilty, I would say it. I would tell people, but it's like, he's not,

that's a big thing for me, he's taken by his guns. Yeah, it's like a 36 million, he wasn't gonna get 36 million, it's have to make multi-million, why would he screw that up over one girl, I think it's done that up. And even, he talked to Bob Bobby Dassy and Scott Attach or whatever, their timelines are

really messed up because they don't match with the bus driver and as well the propane tank guy who a boat said that they saw her there after 3.30 yet. I don't remember the specific thing to do with Dassy. Dassy claimed to be a gun by 245 or something like that. So the timeline doesn't work. Then we even talk about the jury. Have you ever read all the stuff about the jurors? I saw him.

I think Good Morning America. One jury came out and flipped. So that BKQ was innocent. Yeah, one juror got excused. And the details around him getting excused right before the deliberation are really shady. His daughter got in a car accident. the details around him getting excused, right? Before the deliberation, or really shady, his daughter got in a car accident and like somebody slammed on their brakes

and like tried to turn right on the front of her or something. She got, she rear ended them. The cops showed up within two minutes without anybody calling 911. And he got excused. The reason why he got excused was a death in the family, which wasn't even true. It was just his daughter was in a car accident.

He was excused for that. So he interviewed him, the documentary, the same guy, and he was like, he wouldn't know, not of what had happened. He would have been saying, not guilty, he doesn't know what it up to. Like, how do you go and that group here? The three people saying they were guilty and ended up walking out with 12 people saying you were guilty.

I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, straight and said that they went in and it was like majority that they thought he was not guilty. That's there's so many layers to it and I just, you don't know where to start and it's so frustrating and again the big thing is how often does this happen. And I, that's really, really frustrating thing. And I mean, it's like, all right. It doesn't, it doesn't all add up, doesn't all make sense. And everyone's reacting to brains and reddits working really hard.

This is the dirtiest conversation I've ever had, by the way, I love it, but I love it. But reddit is like working, people on reddit work so hard at trying to figure stuff out. Looking at satellite images and whatnot. But there's a whole element that we can't, if you believe what I believe, I think you have believed the same thing.

And then she was murdered somewhere else, not on the property. And it doesn't look like that was ever investigated. There's this whole part of information that we don't fully have. Like, if she was killed somewhere near the quarry and then moved to where she moved to the Avery property, that's why we can't piece it all together yet,

because that was never investigated. They've tunneled in on Stephen Avery. Right! And the frustrating thing, another frustrating thing is that in Ken Krasnamp, they hammered the song, is that you have to take a leap of that authority figures are corrupt, and they can be corrupt, and police officers can be corrupt and people I get it like people don't want to think that they don't want to bleed out on their heads and that's a real barrier I would imagine for a lot of the jerks yeah yeah cuz they laid out the documentary I'm sure the most corrupt

looking moment made in the documentary when you stand that all out over six weeks maybe the effect of that was a lot less on the first and it should have been or maybe they don't want on us first and it should have been made that it was on us. I totally get that, but... Anyway, so news broke today. I don't know if you saw this that Steven Avery's court records from yesterday, January 11th, there's a motion for bond and new exhibits were filed. What does that make?

I don't know. He's got a fancy new attorney named Kathleen Zelmer, who has, she is a freed 17 emissant men from prison already, and she is boldly claiming that this is paraphrasing that this is a done deal that she's going to get him out of prison. You're beautiful. This is sort of the thing. I don't know if he's in a serial season one. I did, yes. I think this is, I think serial season one actually spawned and made me a murder or something.

Something I don't know, maybe that's not right. But yeah, like, you see what happens, that's not going to get a new trial, I think. Maybe Steve Avery will get out, that being something. You know what this is going to create though, it's just like 15 different copycats of trying to follow this and they're all going to be terrible. They're all going to rush them out. No one could have predicted the success of this series and it's going to spark a wave. Serial Tuesdays going through it. Serial Tuesdays going through that right now. Nobody is near as

it used to in the bonebergs all story. Nothing is not a good story. Not them, whatever, but it's, yeah, you can't, you know what's going to grab everybody's attention. It's something like this. And this, this is what I did over, we have a little bit of a break between Christmas and the New Year. I was just making a murder. That's what I did. I did it on two days and I'm proud of that. I'm aware that it's a riveted accomplishment. I made myself an award and it hangs on my wall for two days.

Two days. Alright, well we've solved everything in the golf world. We've solved the crime in Manitmore County in Wisconsin. I don't think I've got anything else left in the tank. I'm gonna do my friend. No, I think I've got all of it out. All right, for those still listening, you can follow Trent on Twitter at Barstool Trent.

You should be doing that already. We will be catching up with you, of course, throughout the year, and I can't thank you enough for giving us an hour of your time, and so good time. No, this is fun. Thanks for having me. I'll have to be emailing back and forth on more making murder stuff because I'm still not done. That takes not anything.

Absolutely. Let's do it. Thanks, man. Take care. That's me too. Let's give it a big blow. Be the right club today. Yes! Yeah! That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most.

How about him? That is better than most. Better than most!