No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 281: Genesis Invitational Recap, PGL, & More

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

Adam Scott wins at Riviera, and we discuss the abomination of a broadcast (27:30), Max, Rory, and what makes tournaments at Riv so fun to watch. We also dive deep on the Premier Golf League developments (50:30), the distance debate, the Women's Australian Open, and a bunch more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Good evening, Sully, how are you? I'm wonderful. And back in the saddle, been a couple weeks, been a little while, Mr. T.C. Tron Carter, how are you? Great to be here. All respect to the people out on the West Coast

for how often they have to come east because I've done three West Coast trips in the last seven or eight weeks and I'm feeling the brunt of it. You're playing the golf in California the last couple months, have you? I did, yeah. You've been in the, yeah.

I played a few. And we're out of time, too. No, but actually, I had a new appreciation for Riviera this week after having played LACC North. Okay, in what way? Just a handful drop there. For sure. No, it was just the biggest thing was how easy

the first hole is at both courses and then how hard the second hole is. It almost is like suspiciously easy, like wait a second here. What do we, and everyone's like, oh, that should be a par four. It's like, yeah, you don't get it. You don't understand the point. It doesn't matter what the par of that hole is. It is kind of easy as you in, but basically the first two holes are a par nine.

There's two par four and a half back to back. And I would imagine the stroke average on the two holes is very close. But anyways, we'll talk about Riv here in a second, but Adam Scott doesn't seem like he's one like five Genesis's before. This shouldn't even already have been a real winner at Riviera. We'll explain the whole real winner. We had a 36 hole win, which I don't remember, honestly, 2005. I can't claim to.

And then they went out and played some sort of modified playoff. Yeah, I honestly don't even remember. It was him and Chad Campbell, I guess, he and Chad Campbell. So did he get the full money for that? He got full money and I think he got the trophy. I just don't think he got the official win. Okay. It was the, it was the Dustin Johnson Pebble Beach title, you know?

Okay. Okay. The second hole at Rio this week played barely over par, by the way, which is maybe assigned the ball. I finally go too far. We'll talk a little distance on the back. And we obviously broke down the USDA distance report on last week's episode with KVV, but I want to get some Randall and TC's thoughts.

I think you were chatting before we started to hear TC about Adam Scott being, you know, maybe the wilderness that kind of the narrative that was being pushed was, you know, maybe a bit bit too far. Yeah, he's been in the top 50 in the world since 2000. You know, he had two solo seconds last year, farmers and Memorial and then won the Aussie PGA at the end of the year there. You know, it didn't have a great 2018, but solo third at the PGA championship. I am shocked to see him putting as well as he is. Is it, I don't know if there's anything to it that he put, these are the hardest screens on tour to put, statistically, this in Pebble, and he puts them really well.

I don't know, that's a sign of like, nothing matters on these greens. I don't know what it means, but I'm sure that, I'm sure he probably feels like, oh, nobody's making puts out here. I actually might have an advantage out here. Just freezing up. Randy, why is Riv week one of your favorites?

You talk about Riv more than I've heard you talk about any other golf course, I think. It's such a nice course. I think it starts with the course. You know, some iconic iconic holes first to mind is probably number 10, which I know we can get into a little bit 18 you know everybody can kind of picture that uphill dog leg right with the clubhouse sitting up there I think you know for me. It's just It just seems to produce such a good tournament year after year after year.

And I don't think that's an accident when we're talking about the golf course. It's the end of the West Coast swing. I think there's a bit of sadness or melancholy that my favorite part of the year is coming to an end. And like honestly, you know, Michelson always played that well out there. So that doesn't hurt. But yeah, that's, I don't know. I think it's just that the whole Ghosts' Sikamore trees, like it just really looks good on TV. And I think that for me, that's where it

starts with why enjoy the week so well. Kind of similar to Augusta, in some way, it's always creates a lot of drama in that guys and groups ahead have these little stretches of holes where you can get it a little bit, like 10-11. Like you know you make that turn, there's a couple getable holes and guys can make a couple birdies,

get up close to that lead and but the leaders that back there haven't played the easy holes yet. So it kind of creates this ton of excitement and you can't really tell who's in the lead. Like you can see who's most under par. But knowing that there's so many half par holes coming in, you don't really know who's,

as I was like, I won't point out, I was like, son Kang might win this. He like legit, if he like stepped up in birdie 18, he'd got in at 10. Adam Schollack, he looked like he was wavering there for a little bit, but he ended up surviving. I'd say just like a gust, I think that's a great comparison in that not only can guys,

you know, go low all of a sudden and climb back into it, but there's, you know, there's some car crashes out there. You can't get away with any of that. Yeah, exactly. So just that volatility. Shout out to Harold Farner. Yeah. The volatility is, it just creates a lot of excitement and it captures your attention.

Watching Rory get flustered today and just like not be able to find it was, I mean, it's jarring. I mean, the guy's been in total control of his golf ball for shot to Neil, of course, Kiwa for, I don't know, 10 months at least, maybe more than that. And just to see him have absolutely nothing today was just, it was, it, it harken back to when almost when Randy was calling for him to be dead before he had officially died. But yeah, that's what Ripple do to you, man. If you don't have it, you're gone.

Russell Henley, you're gone, but sorry, you're out of here. Very much apropos of nothing. The hospitality on 18 on the left side. Maybe it's just out of control now. It's our elevated status. Yeah. Which a lot of completely elevated. We're very elevated.

I was secretly hoping for a playoff, like the one they had, the six man playoff in 01. I just wanted the sunkang and Joel Damon to get paired up in a playoff. Do you think CBS would have ignored the storyline? Yeah, I think that's fair. I knew the answer. They probably would have just interviewed Kat again. Bad. Bad interviewing right there. Never asked a question. You already know the answer to. But shout out to the Genesis CEO by the way, that guy had Benjamin Button, if you will. The camera slowly zooming in to get his belly button

out of the frame, was perhaps the highlight of the Sunday. I mean, that was, I think you asked for Justin Ray, T.C., if that was the longest C.H.O interview of all time. It was well over a minute. Is that why they cut the field down just to get, oh, way over a minute, it was like four minutes. No, I know. I didn't time it out, but I had time to go back,

rewind, and get pictures of his belly button, and press the eggs that go live, and he was still in the booth. I'm like, no, no, come on, baby, put it live. He's like, no, this is live. Like, he's still in the booth. I couldn't believe it. But, I got max, gets heckled on the 18th halls,

he's standing over a putt for, was it legit, man, I had heckled? I 18th halls. He's standing over a putt for was it legit? I mean, I had called some are some woman Wait, what was it? I hope he won't mind if he allows me to do a you know directly from the source here He said we're we're scooping him scooping him up some poem and Screamed in my back swing. I flinched on the real putt after waiting for it to yell So that's tough. I mean, I think we can say she was probably under par.

Way under par. Residing under par. A couple more notes about the course. I think the fifth hole, I feel like we saw a little bit more of it this year. I don't know if it's just the way that things shook out. Or we didn't today, unfortunately, but. Like for as bad as it was on the main thing, I feel like I saw,

actually saw a lot of golf beforehand on golf channel. Got you. And I give shout out to Kurt Byram. I know he's, I've really enjoyed his coverage for quite some time, but it's always felt like when he's on the air, I feel like I'm watching, it's like a fall series event or, you know, an opposite field of it. He's not, he's not like a lead guy with golf channel and hearing him call like big events with the top players at a top course Was like some of the best insight. I feel like I was learning something from him

One year at Valspar they did the like the spotlight coverage of just one par three Mm-hmm And you got to see the whole field hit the same shot basically and they had I think they had Byron on that and it was fantastic Yeah, he just feel it looks he seems like a total pro and Somebody that feels like I've has played the game before that's not a direct comment at any other color commentators We might hear all weekend long For some reason for like 15 years, but we're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit about coverage So so this was DJ's first time at RIV.

Randy, you and Neil went last year. DJ Pahalski. Sorry, obviously. DJs never played RIV before? Neil and I were there last year on Sunday. Did it live up to your expectations? Yeah, I think that's, yeah. I think it's such a, it feels like a small piece of property,

right? It's very contained. You're in this posh LA neighborhood. And you know, you kind of start from the high point, like you say at the clubhouse and then it's just, it's all out there in front of you. It definitely lived up to it. And I was going to say, like you were saying, being able to see the front nine, like it's a course where I wish I could see all the whole, you know, it front nine, like it's a course where I wish

I could see all the whole, you know, it's like it's not a course where you just show the back nine. There's some fantastic golf holes on the front. But yeah, it absolutely lived up to it in person, getting to walk around the property. I was kind of blown away at how I haven't been to Riv once and then going to LACC, which is right down the street. I promised this is going so great. How much more lush, Rivas, it gets so much more, like it's like night and day versus how dry and firm LACC is. And some of that's maybe just the way that they condition it

in a tournament year or whatever. But the other thing was in the barrenca on five, there's like, there's no bad lies. It seems like. Seven. The double fair no bad lies. You're saying like seven. The double fairway one. The double fairway seven. Well, there's the split fairways left and right? Oh, okay. Yeah. The ones that that whole is really fun to watch guys play. They don't really set it up very well, but but I feel like both of them you're like even if you missed out on the branca, it's it's pretty smooth grass. That was what I was blown

away at. Russell, him they got boned up pretty good for that today. That was the beginning of the series. Can I interject, in that eight? What are we talking about? Eight's the double pair with the double pair. Okay, I'm sorry. But seven, listen. Seven's got the branca going on the right

and then five has it separated. Like, just in one. Yeah, okay, I got you. Okay, well I was wrong also, but the brango was not punishing enough. I agree with you. Yeah, I think to like Positimpo or some of those West Coast courses I've played with like that is nasty, brango.

And I'm trying to figure out if this is either great for watching golf on TV or not, because I personally hate this one I'm playing, but when you have firm greens yet fr fringes you can't bounce balls off of. And Nance kind of nailed this on 18. It was just kind of surprised by it, but Max's chip from over the green was like, hey, if he lands this on the green, it's gonna go by. And if he lands it short, it's not gonna get there.

Like, there's nowhere to land it. And that I always think is, look, you shouldn't end up back there. And it's kind of the answer to the question, but it's also, I hate when the possibility of a good shot is almost not there. You know what I mean? I hate when it's soft, not on the green and firm on the green.

Are you sub-tweeting Jack's beach? Not at all. That's not even a comment. That's not even a, you're the one that said it. I think is that a commentary on the cacoo, though? Oh, wait, it's just not. It's sticky, right? It's super sticky. I didn't know if it was sticky.

Yeah, it's very thick. It's just kind of grass that has. It's very sticky. The stickiest of the Iki Kakuya. That was fun as hell to watch Max. I'm sure he and Shane have a new podcast out, which we will, even though they called us out as rivals, we will give that a shout out.

I'm sure that's gonna be quite an entertaining listen. As long as you listen to that after you listen to us, I would highly suggest that. I thought Max hooped it on 18. I thought he did too. And I'm not even remotely upset that he leveraged the popularity of our podcast together to his own podcast that we're not involved in. I'm not even remotely bitter about that. But no, he was so fun to watch.

He played so well. I mean, just seeing how many, like what we're talking about, how many guys struggled and, and just faltered. I didn't feel like he faltered on 18. He, you know, you went for the drive, you went for the win, he striped it at the pin and made a bogey and it cost him $310,000 or so. But listen, he went for the win. Did it feel weird that CBS ignored him again after he tweeted yesterday? After reading a bunch of tweets about how I'm never on TV, I'd like to shout out my sponsors. Blank. You don't have to read this bunch.

Blank blank for supporting me despite my lack of popularity. And Travis Matthews one. You guys are the real MVPs. That's a pretty good tweet. That was, talk about what a difference a year makes. Take a guess, last year, 2019, Max Homa coming into the Genesis world ranking. Any idea? 381.

Was he in the Genesis last year? Yeah, he did play that. Good question. It wasn't elevated status yet. It wasn't an invitational. World ranking? 450. That's 5hmm. 450.

520. Whoa. What is he now? Well, he was 90 going into this week, and he'll move up after. With a solo second, he could have gotten inside the top 50, allegedly. That would have been a tough ask for a soloist. He would have had to birdie 18 to get a solo second. But there's some big money in this event.

Runner-up was over a million bucks this week. I was going through the purse on real. It know, it went up about $200,000. Just the winner share here. Did it go up enough? I don't know. I mean, we'll have that conversation here on the back end. There's some don't yet, get to the end of this because there are some things that seem to be happening with the premier golf league. And we're going to talk a little bit about that on the back end. Before we go any further, we got a lot more rived to talk about, but I don't know about you guys. This time of year in Florida at least, it is walking SCN.

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The clever little copy there. Learn more about the best bags in golf at ojo.com slash golf. You'll see us all over our videos with ojo bags. That's a good idea. I actually really would like a new bag. I'm going to check out the ojo. I want the white one too, but TC ordered it first. I couldn't. I had to get the gray one. I know, but I would also get it really dirty. But back to RIV. I will say also that bag is very, like I put it within the wet and rain

actually during my previous calyx flooring trip. And it's very much water resistant. So that's not a part of the coffee. I was getting ready, like coming into this leading this week to say, to start the take of being, hey, is RIVV, is RIVV like 5% overrated, like 2%, maybe it just seemed like it was trending a bit on that, but I felt like this weekend's viewing kind of steered me back towards, I mean, for what the, what we watch the pros do, if it gets firm, that's, that was, that's class, it's so much fun.

Well, Dottie was kind of saying, hey, we're on the edge here. Yeah, of course, it's on the edge. Which, yeah, it was touching down there for a little bit. No, I think you need to separate out any sort of criticism of number 10 right now with the rest of the course. Okay. Because 10 is probably gotten so lauded that... Yes. We'll separate out 10, but I'm even saying, I thought the setup was great today,

like where they put the pins and how hard it was to get to them, I feel like it can lead to some boring golf at times, and I did not feel that today. I feel like I'm on Friday or so, I'm like, I've watched this course for a couple of years and it doesn't always yield super exciting golf. I thought Sunday delivered though. So I'm kind of...

So that's just because Bubbo's... Yeah, that's probably true. Berba. Berba. Yeah, he is. Berba. Hi, I'm an educator. Hi.

Yeah, do we want to talk about... Yeah, do we want to talk about... Straight. Do we want to talk about 10? Are you guys coming over the dark side? No, hell no. 10 is sweet. Full stop, hell no. Tennis is sweet. Full stop, period point blank.

It's great. What more could you want from it? It's not really like risk reward. It's like take on the, yeah. Eliminate the risk and go for it. It's kind of, it goes kind of canned in hand with a lot of the distant stuff we've been talking about, but it's not really,

it's a somewhat, it's a good part, I don't know, it's a half-par hole, but not, it doesn't really make any sense, I don't think to lay up. I know some guys do it, but like just looking at the scatter chart, it looks, if you lay up, except except for a hair partner. Hair partner's lap was very sick. What do you have the whole stats in front of you? I did it. It averaged 3.88 this week. I'm glad you asked Randy. Yeah, thank you. 97 birdies, 221 pars, 48 bogies and six double bogies. No, no others.

No worse. Is that double or worse? No others. You know, for being a 300 yard hole. I don't know. I'm losing. I think the discussion maybe is, maybe there are two points to this, is could it be a little better?

Sure. Do I thoroughly enjoy it as it is right now? Yes. So, is it a good hole? Yes, is it a little bit overrated? Yes, that's where I stand on it. Right. Well, I don't think it's overrated.

I think overrated, Sif and from, could you tweak it a little to make it better? Like, sure. But I would caution not to do too much to it. But I think anytime guys are playing half pitches, it just feels like nobody's ever comfortable on that whole. And they still make good scores, right? It plays under par for the week,

but I think it's such a departure from what we get week to week and throughout the year that I think it's properly rated. I think it should be celebrated. That's all I have to say about that. So I hear you're thinking, speak blew it off the planet left today. It made double.

Double, okay. I just think it's not, everyone looks, oh, there's just so many options. Like there's so many options on number 10 at rib. So there's like two. It's like hit it short left. Hit it short left or like way short left. You hit a wedge pitch in there.

There's not. Just stay left. Like what, I said this during the presence cup, the first hole at Royal Melbourne, which is number three at Melbourne West, was more interesting of a short part four than than this is because where they move that pin, it made driver was the right play on some of the days and six iron was maybe the play on some of the others because

you wanted a full shot in. You wanted to be on the left side on one of the days versus the right side, which is I know they moved the pin around some on 10 with that green just so small that no matter what, you got to be coming into the same angle. Like the whole thing is trying to create a little bit of an angle to come in from the left. And it's just, it's just okay for me. Has the green gotten more extreme?

Yeah, it's like the bunker saying that comes out of the right side of the green has built up that slope to the point where it's like, you got to get, like where Rory or Max was today, he had no shot at the pin because the slope is so strong right to left. So, like, I always feel as if, so actually, I don't feel as if,

uh, I, Shaxx always saying, Hey, if they touched this place up a little bit, it would be, uh, I mean, it's a major venue, right? If they, yeah, if they polish it, like, but it's like the, it's like the black swan, uhan curb your enthusiasm owner, right? I have no idea. I really don't know the details on that. It sounds right. Yeah.

I think so. It's like a non equity club. Very, very much like for profit. You know, so anyway. I think, yeah, to know what to your point, last thing on 10, it feels like that, and maybe you said this, but it just feels like the green is a little bit less accessible that that like back portion of the green. Which, yeah, you know, if I felt like you could earn an angle from laying up,

like that would make it really a lot more interesting, I think. I think it just, you're gonna have a shitty angle no matter where you lay up to. Yeah, like your stuff forces your hand to get. Yeah, so that's the part where I'm calling it. Except except for if you're, if you're, you're probably that was the mega. That was perhaps that are we ready to just do this now? I mean, what that was the most egregious thing I've ever seen, maybe engulf coverage was them saying he actually top that drive. And he is one, let's keep going.

Let's keep going. Let's keep going. I got a few other things to talk about. Let's go. You got them. All right, we got, we got to talk about Rory. He's didn't. You want to comment? Well, people keep asking me, you know,

are you going to eulogize them again? Did he die? Like folks, he's dead. Like, he's dead. Period. I will let you know when the status changes. Believe me. Somebody wanted me to RIP him on Twitter.

I said, I can't. Hey, I don't do that for anybody except for the cat, which I did it this week for the cat. Yeah, he died. Well, and he was very, it's kind of jarring now these days. And I don't begrudge him for it at all, but the fact that the cat doesn't grind. Yeah, he's not gonna grind for that,

turn that 30th place or DFL into a 30th place or a 30th place into a T15, you know, which I don't blame him one bit. He was hosting, it's a busy week for him. For sure. But like, it's so weird to me that, and I know this thing. The class of the interview right after the round,

I mean, that he still spoke to media. Well, it's all about the kids, you know. No, I think. And he was working on a cool tribute with that final round too. I know you were tracking it the whole afternoon. Do you tell us about it? It's 77, right, which was 6 over par. I think, you know, 7 plus 7, 14 minus the 6 over par.

So of course, 8. I don't have to tell you where they're playing this week, just a very cool tribute by Saiger. Do you think they'diced the shot length numbers? Oh, this is the biggest, greatest theory. Like, of course, that's something I'm going to believe. Yeah, absolutely. So it was Thursday, right?

He made an ego putt on one from allegedly 24 feet eight inches. Ha, ha. I do it. It's just God. Some of the tribute stuff you read is just like getting more to be clear. We are not laughing at all about what happens. It's some of the it's some of the tribute stuff is it's getting absurd. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, anyway, all right. I want to talk about DJ a little bit. Okay. Not our DJ. Okay. Dustin Johnson. I feel like that one was there for the taking today, and he, you know, two bogies, one birdie, just, really, like, didn't feel like there was any sort of motivation or it was just like slow and steady, but nothing happened.

He's gonna win Mexico, though, right? Chetty might be the only one on the top 10 that shows up, right? Weird, right? This whole thing about a new golf tour and the WGC tour, which is what I'm calling it, and they're not playing the WGC's. Matsuyama, you pointed out a good stat from him earlier. He had negative 3.5 strokes cane putting this week

and finished three back of the lead. I mean, it's absolutely remarkable. Is that a typical week for that? That's remarkable. What that guy does without ever... He's the same way that honest Abe has never told a lie. The deck he's never made a putt. I've never seen him make one.

I've never seen him make a 12 footer. I've never seen him make one. Was he playing for Sweden today without outfit? He wears that sweater vest. So, like, just A sweater vest so often. And it's always one of those, he wears that sweater vest. So, like just A sweater vest so often. And it's always one of those like 1980s style sweater vest. Can we talk about ROMs shirt? I was hoping we'd get into some of the Sartorial stuff.

What is going on between ROM and the Nike wears Waldo look this week with Russell Henley and Rory. Yeah, just some weird, you know, I know it's LA and everybody's, you know, everybody's trying to be a little bit edgy. But yeah, that was a tough scene. Hadecki is 15th in on tour in Strokes Game total this year. 15th, he is 190th in putting.

Fourth in Strokes Game T-degree and has really not done anything too significant. Has he won? No, he's got second in the zone, that's pretty close. Somehow Brighton finished in the top five. That's first time hearing this. Allegedly? Allegedly? Can we do it now?

Are we ready to go in? Let's do it. T-C-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D- Okay, who wants to start? Do you want to just get to the last thing? I want to give a shout out to Martin trainer For making a cut. That's was first 21 or 22 or something like that Yeah, yeah, I mean I was looking down his his OW. Jar. I was like, oh, I made a cut and then I look at it's the century tournament champions 34 So yeah, he like he won Was it last year? Yeah, he won last year. Actually, Puerto Rico, I think I'm up this week.

One last year, he's 391st in the world. So I don't mean this to pile on him too much, but I'm gonna set you up. So I asked a professional golfer. I was like, who, all right, somebody who's like legitimate, not just like a club pro, but a legitimate player, who's the worst player, who's the worst of all of them? So ask me that question.

I'll respond the way this guy responded. So who do you think the worst player is? Martin trainer. I didn't even get the question out. He's like, I think you would beat him five out of 10 times if you played him. He would beat you one of the rounds by like 20, but you would beat him like a half of the time.

You might be the real microwave man. And he's won three times in the last 24 months. I was gonna say, I respect it. Yeah, I respect it. If there's a sport to do that in, it's golf, it's PGA Tour Golf. I mean, those puts coming down, so yeah, the difference in what,

how many max lose by three shots is over a million dollars. That difference between first and tie for fit. We need to set up a match between you and Martin Triner. For the record, I think he would beat me. I'm not saying I would beat Martin Triner. This is purely the opinion of someone that we know. But anyway, all right, let's do it. All right, you wanted to get the flame throw out?

You want to go, I feel like we should let Randy do it. Because from an unsuspecting voice. Yeah, I was beating the drum all day. I was upset. I do never cover it. Because someone unsuspecting from an unsuspecting voice. Yeah, I was beating the drum all day. I was, I was, I was upset. I didn't cover. I know I tuned in at like the only time you ever get upset is when is when you get pissed about the USGA sitting in the emails about about volunteering for. That's right. So we, for the record, we usually preface these are like, I don't want to do a lot of cover stuff, but I'm not even going to preface it this time. We time. We're doing this, it's time.

So Randy, upset, I wanna hear that. I was upset, I tuned in at 3.18 PM, Eastern time. We all love Max, I'm like, oh God, Max is right in it. And I think I've gone like 53 minutes, I have to check when I texted you guys. And I was like, what the hell? I haven't seen one match shot. Like, it was so, it was pissing me off. It was like a visceral anger that it should be such an enjoyable experience

and all I was feeling was frustration. And it would have been something if they were showing other golf shots. Yeah. They weren't even doing that. No, but it'd be like, God, everybody's hurt it, something if they were showing other golf shots. Yeah. But they weren't even doing that. No, but it'd be like, I got it. Everybody's heard it, but it's like, you know, here's some golf shots.

And then we're gonna go to commercial, and then we come back and show one golf shot. And like, this isn't against Amanda, but like, her doing the Scott Kutcher thing stands out about like, they're having different weeks. I'm like, you could just like say that while showing golf shots. And that takes up time.

And then they go to commercial after that. And then they come back and there's a Tiger Woods Hyundai, like info-marshall about the Fonda. And it's just like, oh my god, what? Like, they're not, nothing's, they're not showing anything. It was legitimately the best term in the years so far. Yeah.

And that's the thing. It's like, great leaderboard, great course, and a great tournament. And I think where we have coverage takes, do we have coverage takes? But today it felt like a tipping point in that it was all Twitter. Was everybody was pissed off? Everybody seems to be coming around to our side of the table here. So this always seems to be the week.

The week, right? This is gonna happen one of the times. It almost happened with speed in 2015. He almost won the damn tournament without a live shot being shown until the 18th hole. Do you have any idea the level of incompetence it takes for that to happen? It almost happened with like three different people today.

Not only on Sunday, on Saturday as well. Yeah, oh, I know. Like two full days of like six and a half, seven hours of coverage. Joel Damon, the only, the first time we saw him was when Adam Scott hit into him in the 15th fairway, which was awesome. Which was awesome. Like so, actually when I did the shot tracking

a few years ago, was that three or four years? I probably four years ago now? Was it this turn of them? That was RIV. Yeah. And it's always like CBS, just, I'm not sure of RIV, is there's such a good leaderboard, and they just can't keep up with everything,

and they're hungover from their whole extravaganza pebble. But for whatever reason, it always seems to reach fever pitch at this point. And then we get NBC the next, what, six weeks? I just want to, again, be clear, this is not nitpicking. This is like, what was the shot you would have wanted to see the most in the context today, the one, the most important, the one you would want to tune into. The leader topping it. I believe the words they used on the telecast

was cold topped a three wood off the tee. On one of the most famous short part fours in the world. It took them an hour and 15 minutes of us bitching about it on Twitter until they finally showed it. And if anybody out there thinks that they didn't show up because of the bitch, the bitching on Twitter is cause that. Oh, that montage they drew together

was absolutely in response to the public outcry. 100%. And it's just, it's offensive. And I hate the, you know, whatever. It's probably 5% of the noise but the people that say, like, oh, just turn it off. Like, don't watch.

Or all you guys do is complain. Stop. It's like, there's no other market for this. This is our only option for watching golf in the US. Like, I've said this before, if our podcast was the only golf podcast that was allowed to exist and it sucked ass and it had 18 minutes, it might suck ass, that's your opinion,

but if it had 18 minutes of ads and we didn't cover golf at all, how pissed off would you be? Wouldn't there be more pressure on us to deliver? Like what we actually do? There's no open market for it. So I went, I got in my car at like 4.30 and just sat on my phone and listened to PGA Tour Radio,

which those guys do a great job. Like if you ever get pissed off at the telecast, go drive around. Just sitting your driveway because you can still do shot tracker. And just listen to it. It's 2020, like look at all in 20 like look at all that's next level. That's next crazy I look at all the technology and shit. We have trun sitting in his car on shot tracker listening to PJ tour radio I feel like I'd almost rather watch you know

They're like those old wild world of golf graphics where like they show the drive and it's like this You like like they just like move a ball to this model fairway Like just do that on TV and like just show they just move a ball to this model fairway. Like just do that on TV and just show us where the ball ends up. And in the number of putts, I'll show where it's like, man, I wonder what, it would have been cool

to see what happened to get to that point. I don't really care about the, just tell me if the putt went in or not. I wanna see the golf shot. I swear, I promise. Across my heart, I swear to God, every CBS round, I set out as I go to watch it, be like, dude, all right, today, we're not doing it.

We're not doing cover stuff. I said that at the beginning of the day today, I said, I'm coming in with a positive attitude. Yeah, I'm really not doing it. And I end up with like, I end up just furious, just so upset, like, why would I spend my time doing this? Well, it's such a, like, think about any other thing you watch. I was going to say sport, but like, think about any other thing you watch on television where, like, yeah, I'll

watch a basketball game and be frustrated by the result. But in, like, what other sport do you watch and are frustrated just because you, like, you just can't, you just don't have a feel for what's going on because they won't show you. Well, Randy, it's funny you mentioned the basketball game because the basketball game actually ended relatively close to on time today. Absolute class in the Indiana fans, by the way. Yeah, they were apologizing to the interpreter.

Yeah, just sick. You know, big week for Indiana with Bobby Knight coming back and then ending on time. Just absolute class. And then CBS proceeds to go to five minutes of commercials straight after that. See, I was watching in the car, not while driving of course,

but I thought that was just like an app thing. I didn't realize that was all, that was actual five straight minutes. I thought it was just like a, oh, they're probably doing playing through or something here. But man, it's a fence. And I had one more thing. They put your DLPGA lead aboard. here, but man, it's just, it's a fence. And I had one more thing. As mentioned.

They butchered the LPGA leaderboard. I was, and you know, I give them a lot of credit though. You know, they only had a few hours to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to Ah, disgusting. Which we'll talk about that later. That was a fantastic tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and then, you know, like, so RIV is ostensibly this great golf course, right? One of the, you know, maybe the best on the PGA tour, year in, year out as far as annual stops go.

At no point do they even make an effort to show why that is or talk about why that is or anything like that. It's just great golf. We just take it as gospel. Do you know what's really wild? Sorry, I'm interrupting you. They go there every year. You just have to do it once and then you could replay these segments on what makes this

green great. You know, just do it one time. I just do a flyover the whole. You don't have to say anything. Just show me. And then I thought it was particularly telling today, they did do it one time. Just do a flyover the whole. You don't even have to, you know, have to say anything, just show me. And then I thought it was particularly telling today, they did an Adam Scott graphic. This was fantastic.

Alex Myers from Golfside just tweeted. Oh, yeah, this is sweet. And I think it, you know, ignored the fact that he won a Masters, ignored the fact that he won a Players, which was a massive upset. Slap in the face. Which maybe that's an NBC CBS thing. You know, it a players, which was a massive upset. Slap in the face. Which maybe that's an NBC CBS thing. You know, it said what it was like.

Nine-time president's cup, team member. It was college teammates with Charlie Hoffman. Shout out to UNOV, TARC, AVID Surfer, current FedEx Cup standing 108, born in the early Australia, University of Nevada, Las Vegas. avid surfer current fat ex-cups standing one o'clock born at australia university of nivola syvegus so the two shout outs to to you know the

college team is with charlie huffman founded the out of scott foundation in o5 nine-time presidents cup international team member that uh... the the i think i'll just to use this like what else could you possibly want to know about the all got the the the thing that made me the most upset like visibly upset What else could you possibly want to know about the guy? Oh God. The thing that made me the most upset, like visibly upset, was when Max had a three foot birdie putt on the seventh hole to get within one of the lead.

And they're literally showing his group on the green. They showed DJ Putt on that green. And they cut away to get to talk to Fowdo. And I see what they're doing. I see it's like, all right, you're roaring. Like we're gonna show a lot of your shots, almost no matter what happens. Coochir, you're a big name.

We're gonna show you, we're gonna follow this. The hurdle for them to clear, if you're a new-ish player and you haven't won a major, haven't won 10 times on the PJ Tour is so damn big that you have to get within one or two of the lead to get a shot shown. I really don't mean to keep harping on Max because there's some like Joel Damien. Yes, yes, it's not just because we're friends with Max that we're saying this like it's legit like

Sun Kang bright they forgot about Bryson today. Yeah. Yeah, and then you know I mean shit, Chez was T10. I don't think I saw, I maybe shot one shot of Chez today. My, our thing now, like my fiance and I will watch the golf and she'll watch the golf while I monitor like Twitter and shot tracker and if something interesting happens, she'll tell me she'll learn. So like the CEO, she was all over the CEO's belly button today, which was sick.

And you know, shout out, they, they had a dinner this week for Lance Barrow to recognize, you know, just to honor him on his career and everything. The other thing that kills me about the CBS broadcast all week were here and God, the crowds are huge out here this week. This is such a well-attended event. At no point does it ever feel like it feels like they're playing in a vacuum.

There's no, because they whisper. There's no mics out there either. There's no crowd interaction. There's no, like, it. There's no mics out there either. There's no crowd interaction. There's no, it's like they've turned the mics down to zero as far as the on-course mics, because they're afraid of somebody shouting something or something like that. Shout out to Icarito last year.

They've basically just knew this for the entire thing. That's crazy. That's crazy. There's somebody yelling. Yeah, Icarito on me. Yeah, somebody yelled, Icarito. That's crazy. It's somebody yelled. Yeah, Dicorito on me. Yeah, somebody yelled Dicorito. It was the biggest coincidence. Anyway, biggest take away. Listen to the guys on BGTOR radio.

And just like notice the difference when it changes this week into NBC. And I could be wrong. I feel like I heard something about this about potentially some commercial free coverage coming down the stretch of the players this year on NBC. Again, could be wrong NBC I think they still do a lot of commercials especially like during the Ryder Cup and the president's cup has been a tough scene I think but it's just such a markedly better product and it's just not insulting I think that pretty much covers it The varner thing I'll also about the varner thing today was like this is what we've been talking about guys finally

Everybody noticed and I think they kind of caught their mistake They didn't catch their mistakes. They didn't correct it But then saying oh yeah, you actually topped it. They just blew the top off of it right there. I mean I'll go to it didn't but they went to Rory I believe on 13 and Doddy's first thing was this is one of the most bizarre drives I've ever seen Oh, yeah, it's like you got the ground. Yeah, and like, oh, cool. Maybe that would have been interesting to see. Like, I'm sure you guys have video of it. So yeah, it's just, I was like, angry at you guys, because now it's like, we've accepted you.

Oh yeah, it's like, once you notice it, you can't unsee it. And that's kind of where I am. So going back, I think it's, this is the week where it kind of catalyzed for me where, because I think this is a good transition into our next topic. So you think about all this stuff with CBS, you know, even Tor employees talk to them, they're like,

oh yeah, you know, like we know, man. But then the CBS reupt on the next TV contract. I honestly and truly do think it's gonna look different. Which we can, yeah, we can talk about how Shackleford report, I believe Shackleford have the report that the tour is gonna be taking over the manufacturing of the feed of the broadcast and sending that out across the world.

Is that all four days? I would have to assume so. Which I think we texted about it some this week kind of our mixed opinion on that. I'm like, cool, that's better. Like that's better than this. For sure, I know that it's gonna be. It's major state-run media.

It is, but it's like, Fae Imjung, and you know. It's fake state-run media now. I mean, the Torah is such a hand in how it's done that I agree. There's kind of like some whitewashing potential in it, but there's already, maybe we'll see more golf, right? That's the goal.

It's like, we're not gonna get it on whitewash. Like, that's not a realistic next option. So, at least if the tour finally takes the reins, it's like, no, no, we're gonna put golf on. We're gonna show this many shots, and it's gonna be this, and it's not gonna be this, hi, I'm CBS, look at me. CBS so proudly presents, no, it's like here, it's gonna be golf. You guys can talk over it if No, it's like here, it's gonna be golf.

You guys can talk over it if you want, but here's what it's gonna be shown. That's a big step, I think. And the whole podcast is gonna look different. I can almost promise that. Totally, but I think even the fact that... Re-upping was continuing on the Lance being gone, I think is very clear.

Like, you guys can come back if you want, but we are not doing this again. It just, ostensibly all these, that's the second time I've used this, but we are not doing this again. It just, Stencer, we all these, that's the second time I've used this, and I know people are gonna get all on me for that. Best word, you have the best word. But I know people, like, I kinda lost my train, I thought when you opened up that hard seltzer,

no free ads. Free ads. But, and I can't really say anything I'm drinking. This is the sea sweet. I have water. I have water if any of my interest. It's sovenian blanc from New Zealand. A lot of minerality and stone fruits and citrus on the nose.

It was just what Echorito had, unopened in the fridge. Anyway. But all these changes that they made to their team and everything this was so pointless. Oh, so pointless. Word to appease the tour and all they've done is made their broadcast even worse. It's downgrades across the board. Davis love. I'm sure he's a wonderful person like, oh my God. He just seems so nervous.

He doesn't seem, and I want to give announcers runway in like time. It takes a while to get used to a new voice. Nobody hears somebody announce for the first time. I was like, wow, he's great. It just takes time. But man, it just like, but also like put him in on your farm system, like put him in on a golf channel, telecast. And then, hey man, you know what,

you've done four or five of these, you've done really well, you've got the chops. Well, we will bump you up versus, you know, hey, we're just gonna put a guy on the, on the player advisory council straight into it. Yeah, how you thought that was gonna be an upgrade over costus though, is like the most, the most offensive part of it.

And it's like, yeah, you're trying to make an effort, but you don't even have your finger on the pulse of what the issue is. So, a couple questions before we move on, Cheney Topics, Jed Rammel, TBC Jed, Genesis CEO with the most degree, just coverage cap of the year. That's what pretty good. That's good content. A lot of them are all coverage based, which we've gotten to a lot of those. So, I'll sprinkle some of these in, but if you guys want to keep moving, do you

want to talk, ladies, Australian Open, or PGL next? Let's go down on the... Yeah. So, the third hole at Royal Adelid? Awesome. Did you guys play there? No. Okay.

I'm dying to go back because that's the big wine. That's the big wine. You're one of the big wine growing areas. Okay. Yeah, no, it's just such a, and they show golf shots. That's amazing. But yeah, it was like the kind of a cool red clay-ish, you know, aesthetic down there.

The good doctor, who you're a big fan of, Randy? Absolutely. But yeah, the wind was fresh all week. Yeah, no scores under, I think there was one score in the 60s last night slash this morning down there. In B Park, Shout out to Mb Park winner this week. She had a great interview this week too, just kind of spelling out the issues and challenges

with being a professional golfer and being on the road so much. Like not, it was a really good answer. It was just like, yeah, you know, I mean, I go home, I love being around my family and stuff like that, but I can't go to the grocery store because if I buy groceries, they're just going to go bad because I'm hitting the road again and then I'm gone and I'm in different time. Like just the, it's, she's one of the most successful wounds, golfers of all time. I was underrated too. Yeah. And just like talks about the struggles of balancing life and professional golf.

And you know, I was kind of confused about that, about like, Anika Sorens' hymns, like retirement from golf and just being totally done. And when she explained on the podcast of like, hey man, I want you, I want you to summit the mountain. Like, you can't, like, nobody's, nobody's ever did better than I did. So like this is not her word literally,

but like, why would I keep going? What's there to keep doing? Why would I keep doing that to myself and went back and had a life? And I think that relates to both women's and men's golf. I don't think it's unique to either one, but sorry to distract from the Australian club, which was awesome. But that was cool that she gave that interview and then won in the same week. I thought her caddy, the Australian guyian guy, Brad Beacher, he's, I guess he tries to get her down there every, like, every year. And she's like, yeah, it's just too early in the season.

I don't really like to start my season that early, but having her win with him on the bag this week was cool too. I was going to say just, you know, in case you said she's one of the most underrated players. This was her 20th LPGA victory. She's won seven majors. She won the gold medal in Rio 2016. She's won kind of the grand.

She's won four of the five majors. She's never won the AVI on, the one that they added as a major. Right, that's when they added, right? Yeah, it's got terrible conditions. Yeah, it did last year, but then everybody says it's a great yeah, yeah. I think that listening was on It did last year, but then everybody says it's a great, yeah, yeah. I think they'd listen, it was on the edge last year.

Which shadowed to Adam Scott, you know, he lives in that area, over the Swiss border, but that always fascinates me. Adam Scott's, like, doesn't he have a residences? Is he's got Australia, he's got a place in Texas. Is he a Bahamas too? Bahamas and. London too? London, what's going on in that case?

I might be kind of make, does he have a London place? I think he does. I know he did back in the day, but he will after this week. Have money spends anywhere. Sorry, he hasn't even made a leave. Renny, you are the resident economist. You would, you know, actually the housing scene's tough in London.

If you don't have something already, I'm not sure if you want to buy into that market. In this economy. The ladies have been down there two weeks in a row. Now they're off for a month. Yeah, so let's talk about that real quick. We cancel the entire Asian swing. Yeah, because of the coronavirus.

Yeah. Which, I mean, you have to do it, right? I mean, because of the coronavirus. Yeah. Which, you know, I mean, you have to do it, right? I mean, if nobody's gonna go play, well, they're having like some makeshift events in the state. Really? That's what I was curious about.

Yeah, I didn't know. I think they are pretty much mandated to do so, but I think there's gonna be some like super low-fi West Coast. So I was talking to Lauren Kaufflin, or one of our young hitters this year, who you'll see a lot of once Torres Stas gets rolling into the Pinehurst area.

But yeah, she was, I was just talking to her about it because she's got pretty low priority on LPGA, but should squeeze in some starts here, the first few events, once they get back to Stateside, and just talking to her about how it's going to affect her status and her priority there. And it's weird. It's like, you know, it's like, you canceled, basically, you canceled Phoenix, Pebble and LA on the PGA tour. And then cool, like everybody's, everybody's starting at Honda, basically. Yeah, it's tough, but it's, it's necessary, unfortunately. But do you, well, yeah, I don't,

I don't, I don't answer, but answer, but it's going to be interesting, but the Olympics. Yeah. And they keep putting on a brave face and saying, hey, there's no way, but I mean, it's, you know, it seems like it's, there were rumors that it was plateauing and then it seemed like the stuff that came out a couple of days ago was like, no, it's still going crazy.

So, and then Amy Olson, exceptional week, wanted to say that, Maria Fossi, good week. That, no offense to Maria Fossi, that surprised me. That golf course was not like a, what I would imagine just to hate T. at high and let it fly. Especially in the wind. Like, hopefully people have tuned in and seen Maria Fossi's golf swing.

And she, I felt like I'm watching her in the KPMG women's PGA last year. I was like, you kind of had a lot to learn about golf. But to get around that golf course in those conditions, in a top 10, that was that. It is very, very impressive to me. But yeah, going back to the third hole, it was like a 290 yard par four. These big mounds in front and kind of this channel up on the right. It was, it was so cool to watch. It came on at 10 o'clock every night at 10.30

and it was the perfect thing to watch for an hour and a half for going to bed. I loved it. It's so weird to watch golf on TV and truly not really care about the result in any way. I don't care that much about the play. I'm gonna say I'm not even caring about the storylines at all. I'm just watching the golf shots being played.

You're just watching the entertainment, right? And it's amazing how good a job a sky does with that stuff. I mean, just the little graphics they show overhead, showing the wind direction, showing where each person's ball is, showing... Which to your point earlier on the PGA tour taken over a world feed? Like, that's a world feed that the LPA is putting out.

For sure. And so that's where I fee that the LPA is putting out. For sure. And so that's where I'm hoping the potential of this thing goes. And it's amazing how the contrast, it's like, in theory, this is a, I don't want to say this, but the reality is it's like a step below from an entertainment value of the PGA tour. Yet this is like more fun golf to watch.

How is, like, how can that be the case? Something they do a really, really good job of, and I've noticed it over the last, I don't know, they did it at President's couple a little bit, but they get super close-ups of the lie. Yes. They're starting to work that, and CBS is doing some of that. Yeah. Yeah. A CBS did a couple times this weekend. I know, and we see, they've been doing it. Big, big, big priority of it at Roam El Melbourne, but I noticed it a bunch on the women's Aussie open. It's, yeah, that's, that is definitely additive to the viewer.

Are we ready to talk premier golf? Let's do it, maybe. It's a gosh, I don't know where we left off the last time on this podcast, but almost, like almost unanimously, I think anyone we've talked to is like, shit, it's moving. Like things are happening. Well, that's what I was gonna say, like with the CBS stuff, like, all right, cool.

You guys are content to do the status quo. Don't really care about the fans. Like you've re-up CBS. Cool, you know what, let's burn it all down. Let's just burn it all down, man. I mean, is this a coincidence? This is all happening as the TV deal is like being negotiated slash agreed on, but not signed yet.

Like, is this coincidence? I'm sure some of it's related as far as timing goes. Is it coincidence that, you know, half the top 10 is skipping the WGC Mexico next week? Is... Why are they doing that? Let me play the role of like, fan that doesn't really understand the whole thing. I think some of it's probably scarier

or you really that fan or you play that role. I'm a method actor, so I have to get into it. I don't know, I actually don't know. I just been dressed up as a fan all day. I don't know. See, my understanding was that shit, the quote from a source close to the situation, if you will, was shit might be going down in Mexico.

I don't know what that means, but that was what surprised me about people to skip it a lot of possible. I mean a lot of things, yeah, in Mexico, that's. But the possibility of, or the reality of people skipping Mexico doesn't add up to that. So I don't really know.

I know Keppka's because it was Ney, his knees and worship, his more shape than he had led on, I believe Phil had already planned. I think he'd snuck in, but he wasn't gonna play that many in a row and he'd already play in something with his family. So if guys are playing Honda and API and then players, they have to skip Mexico. So the guys who live in

Which type do you play as cat going down? No, no Absolutely not worries going. Okay. I've been I'm calling it the WGC tour like the PGL It's gonna turn into a bunch of WGC events all the guys skipping the WGC and now I'm even more like a bunch of WGC events. All the guys skipping the WGC, and now I'm even more like, wait, why, isn't that what the whole WGC thing was made for? Which we just go pick up the money and run. But maybe they're processing WGC because they're not getting a big enough cut of, that's like the WGC is like their cut though,

is my point. But it's not a big enough cut. Yeah. That's the deal. Is it, was it something? Let's see, the purse is $10.5 million. The winner gets 1.7. So is that?

So is that place get any idea? Is it still like in the 40s or whatever it is? But yeah, but all you're doing is subsidizing some of those guys from the other world tours that are, that are getting, you know, that are coming in last place and getting that. Yeah. Um, Dong Chai JD. Dong Chai JD. Dong Chai JD is not walking through that door. Okay.

Well, I think it was interesting, LA this past week, had my ear to the ground a little bit. Was this an eye-tron investigation? A couple. Rumor, or not rumour, I've heard it from four different people now. They've got $200 million on the table to the cat. I heard 250, but I believe in it. I believe in it.

So, at least 200, which, you know, like that actually might even seem light, right? Because what's long as that deal? What's cats, I would assume there would be an equity stake as well in the team component of it. But I mean, what's cats? Well, I would assume there would be an equity stake as well in the team component of it. But I mean, what's cats PGA Tour pension worth? That's exactly what I was gonna ask.

But that doesn't go away. Pension and go away. Well, that's what, that's what, that's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask, that's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask, that's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask.

I'm gonna ask, that's what I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask, that's what I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask, that's what I'm gonna ask. Well, that's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask. That's what I that was intimate. That was that was kind of intimated towards it. I would love to see how they would get with that. Like, hey, no, you can't go play other golf events or you lose your already earned invested pension. I don't think it's been offered a quarter of a billion as like a broken down 43 year old. That's a double what is PJ tour on course earnings. Not to take it. That's a double what is PGA tour on course earnings.

I bet. Not to take it. So there was I mean, is it all about money, though, for the cat? If you're the cat, what's what is the, is there another sports equivalent of this? Just I don't know what the USF fell, right? Back how are fans going to read the ABA though? If cat leaves the PGA tour and breaks up the PGA tour, essentially. But like the legal... The PGA tour, it's current iterations only been around for 40 something years. But that's like a gen, that's more than a generation. So that's like what we all know and it's established and it's got flaws. Hey, you're a big, you're a big, uh, uh, uh, explained guy.

Yeah. World cricket. Yeah, World Cricket. Yeah, you literally learned this from, this is my point. I know, that's what I said. That's like, I've argued that there is a component that they could, we have this tour season, right? If players wanna take a step back,

there is a separate like team aspect, 10, 8, 5, whatever events that they could do. That would be so entertaining. That's Teach 20. That's like that separate thing. It is not, hey, let's go break off and do the same thing over here. Like 54 whole stroke played tournaments.

And I just don't think, I can't picture caring about that. I care about who wins Riviera. I care to tune in and watch that. Honestly, if they go play a brand new event and it's like the top 40, 50 players. So one of the things that Nicholas has brought up a couple times, they kind of kills me, is like, oh yeah, but like, what courses are they going to get to host these things? I'm like, they're going to find golf courses. I'm like, like, honestly, what course do they have in PGA Tour events at some of these weeks right now?

That's the least warrior who's gonna. From what it sounds like, it's, from, you know, everybody that's willing to talk about it, it sounds like Nicholson has three feet out the tour. Go back to the first episode of the, it was, I think you asked the question, it was like, hey, somebody asked, hey, who's gonna, who's the first person

that's gonna leave him before the question says, DJs, fill for sure. It sounds like Phil, DJ, Brooks, and Bryson are out the door. Reed is right there with him. But again, they're all hinges on the cat, right? And I know they were all, what sounds like Phil is like, what I'd heard, the quote was, Phil is close to committing, which I'm also, I don't know what that means

Can you commit if not everyone is committing all at the same time? Is this an all or is there a league without tiger? I don't understand that those are literally the million dollar questions I don't you know, I don't think I Don't think we know the answers to the to those questions I know they all this past week in LA, they all went through a house party at unnamed house, Ahmed Tayyab, went through a house party at his house on overlooking Riviera, the back porch. And yeah, they were about seven or eight of the top 10 guys in the world. Phil Brooks, DJ, Reed, Rose, Adam Scott,

and most important of all of this, and what's helped me kind of start to understand it, is it's agents. Like the agency, anybody representing anybody, it's like driving this. And that's where, so yeah, they're coming in. Yeah, my comment was kind of like,

the tour players don't sit and have meetings together and are all like, all right guys. What are we doing together? Everybody's out for themselves There's not a unified opinion on this if you talk to a Couple different top 10 players. They might say two very different things about it There interest might be too like very different. There's not a there's not a mission statement from tour players that says we want this We need this light and self interest. Yeah, but it doesn't, and a lot of time, not even in light. Yeah, it doesn't have, there's not like a list of demands that they're taking the tour.

I think the agents are drumming up, at least a conversation with the tour that's gonna lead, I said this right when this thing opened up, I said it's gonna end with the tour opening up more avenues for appearance fees It's the only way this can go I think but then you piss off all your long-time sponsors, right? Well the sponsors are the ones pony up. That's what I'm saying. You're pissing off all the All right cool like we were having a hard time

Developing a business case to justify this this expense because our CEO likes golf. Yeah, well, maybe some of the more. We have to pay another $22 million this year because we want Brooks, Rory, and Tiger to show up. At least they know who they're getting then. For sure. I mean, a lot of events don't even know you pay how much money you don't know

if you're getting Tiger or Phil. I mean, you have a good idea, but you don't know for sure, and you don't know if you're getting Tiger or Phil. I mean, you have a good idea, but you don't know for sure, and you don't know the next year or the next year. That's kind of the deal with, like, they feel like they're already doing that with, say, Genesis this week, or the three playoff events, or some of the elevated status events, right? Yeah. I mean, maybe it's, you know, if you pay whatever amount to sponsor an event, maybe every event has the same amount of money or something like that that is, that can go towards appearance fees or something like that.

You can use that fund to recruit however you want. If you want to blow all seven million of it on Tiger, go ahead. If you want to give seven different guys a million a piece, go ahead. That's how I see this continuing and playing out. I still just don't see them nuking the status. I've been on that block. I just, I honestly, I see this continuing and playing out. I still just don't see them nuking the status. I've been on that block. I just I honestly I think they should just carve out if the TV contract minus the digital rights is going from 400 to 700 million a year, just carve out 150 million of that, divvied up based on Q rating. Sure. Going

back to the PGL, the guys that, and I know we've talked about this at length, but the guys that I just don't know what you do, is a guy in that 25 to 40, like a Gary Woodland, or a... Do you cycle in and out? You've nuked your status. If you're 40th in the world,

are you committing long term to the PGL? What if you get relegated? Where do you go? What do you do? Do you go to the European tour? Is there going to be that kind of alliance between the European tour and the PGL, what if you get relegated? Where do you go? What do you do? Do you go to the European tour? Is there going to be that kind of alliance between the European tour and the PGL? That's like, I think those guys would be smart to stay. I think where...

And you're like basically smart to stay and you're essentially picking up the wake of this whole post-tiger era. All these contracts already signed with sponsors. Yeah. I was going to say... I think the interesting thing is centuries got 10. The PGL would do well to try to start plucking the guys

coming out of the amateur ranks. Well, that's the thing. And just bring that directly into. It's like a USFL. Like going and getting that Herschel Walker, like USFL. That's Steve Young, Herschel Walker. And that was kind of what the ABA did as well. The, you know, another example.

But it's like, you know, go get go after more Kala, go after Havlund, go after which I like, I understand the, you know, the ABA and USFL comparisons. Those were just in eras though, when the alternative league was not printing money the same way the PGA tours. You know what I mean? And that's very true. And I'm not an expert on any of those. That's probably the best analogy. I agree, but it's just like, yeah man, we're talking about like pennies compared to.

But by the same token, is that printing money? Is that, I don't know, I feel like there's this weird lag between the PGA tours, you could say it's popularity, but you could say it's just popularity with sponsors or with a certain demographic and actual popularity, actual viewership numbers and everything like that. And so if somebody were to actually tap into, hey, let's actually like boost ratings

and get this up worldwide, I think. What could it be worth? What could it be worth? And I mean, the scuttle butt is like, these guys have a billion dollars in cash sitting in the bank. Like it's a liquid billion dollars. Like, hey, we're ready to, I mean.

Part of me, like a cynical part of me, the arrogance that seems to come from the tour on this. I mean, is little bit of, I can never say the word, shodden fraud. Shodden fraud. Shodden fraud of like, do the cons of this stuff? We've been talking about man, it's come into fruition. Just the attitude of all it's not gonna happen. And like, he's a very close friend of mine, of course, but Mr. Monhan's email that just signed off,

it was signed off, I think it was to the tourist app or whatever it was, but it was just signed off. Don't worry, we got this. I was like, I mean, dude, I don't know if we do. I don't think there is some shit going on. I don't know if it's going to happen still, but I don't. And then in that reality, it's crazy how big the majors would get. It would be an absolute sweepstakes. It would be the best. Yeah. How much fun would they be? You know? I, I, it would be a, it would be a bifurcated world. Honestly, you know, what I'm thinking is,

and I wish I knew the circumstances better, but when what happened with the WCW versus the WWE wrestling, I mean, honestly, talk about like an organization that prints money and then, you know, WCW, they get Hulk Hogan, they get some of these stars to come over. Like I said, I'm now quickly out of my depth. I don't really know. No, that's that was good enough about that. But that is more interesting to me.

I feel like that's more analogous than maybe some other sports leagues. I think one of the things that the PGL was really smart, some of the subjective elements, where they, if they kept, if they lined up some yearly, they started leaking some details out. Like, hey, you know what, like our Australia event is gonna alternate between Kingston Heath and Royal Melbourne, or Kingston Heath, Royal Melbourne, Royal Adelaide, and New South Wales,

like something like that, or, you know, hey, we're gonna have our European event here. You know, like that kind of stuff where you start leaking out stuff that's like, hey, these guys are, maybe you're gonna nail the subject developments of it, and they are actually gonna improve the product. Yeah, but I think there's still a huge disconnect between what tour players wanna get out of this

and what fans want to see. I don't think that the tour players slash agents, they're kind of one and the same in this, but I don't think they care that much about the product or the fan experience that much. But I do think Tiger, I feel like Tiger was fulfilled by a young plan. I agree for the president's cup. Or like Rory seems like he legitimately likes playing Good Golf courses. Sure. Like you could kind of, kind of tug at their hard strings

a little bit with some of those subject developments plus the cash. Yeah, I'm gonna say, the whole thing is like. Yeah, but that's like, all right, cool. All things being equal here, it's tied. Here's the tiebreaker. Hey, we're gonna go play like legitimately give golf courses and...

Yeah, so what I'm trying to do though is point out, and there's a couple of comments I've seen on Twitter that are driving this and that we obviously complain a lot about things that go on with the PGA tour. My point is overall, I don't think this addresses like most of them. I don't think it's gonna be that interesting to watch these guys go play these tournaments.

That's my overall point. I just don't, I could be very well run. I don't, we don't know what it's gonna look like, but my instinct is not to be like, whoa, I am gonna be a PGL fan, I'm gonna have a T-shirt, I just can't imagine getting fired up about it. I guess I'm... I think worst case though, the competition forces the PJ Tour to get better.

That's best case. Or even the threat of it. I think that's best case. I think that's good for hopefully for everyone. Which year point addresses then some of our issues. I'm a massive Matt. I care more about the game within the game. Cool, there's 148 guys in the field this week,

you know, but for better or worse, we're not seeing more than 30 of those guys on a broadcast and work like so, you know, you can lot, you can lap off half of them. They don't matter. There's something to that. There's definitely something to that. I agree with that.

The tour could almost bifurcate in general and be more. And then it's like, and then I think if they, if they went after the young guys and kind of made, I agree with that. The tour could almost bifurcate in general and be more interesting. And then I think if they went after the young guys and kind of made, all right, cool. We've got the best dudes in the world and then we've got some of these up in commerce. And those are your underdogs, the up in commerce. And you've got that. So it may not be necessarily the 7th guy in the world, but it's a 21 year old kid fresh out of University of Texas.

Let's say Cole Hammer signs with them. It's like, cool, cool, Hammer's your underdog. And then if you're teeing it up 10 or 12 times with him, and then it's, I don't know. And then you come back to the majors, which would be so much fun. It's like, yeah, cool. How does it measure up now? Because it's like before I interle be so much fun. It's like, yeah, or cool, how does it measure up now? Yeah. Because it's like before interleague play with baseball, it's like cool, like nobody, like,

the NL might be so much better than the A.O. But like nobody knows, it's a little serious, you know? To be clear, I think this is pretty clear, but we're not just like drumming this up to talk, just to talk about it, like, almost surprisingly, I would have thought it would have been killed by now or dead, and I still think there's flaws and hurdles.

I think you were very skeptical at first, and I was like, this is sick. I don't know, I am still, no, I'm skeptical of what I think, even if it happened, I'm skeptical of how much will care. How much will care, or how fun it'll be for us. I was also skeptical of it. I think it is totally sick, of course.

I'm still very suspicious that it will happen. Again, I fall back on, I just can't see tiger middle fingering the tour. For 200 million, I don't care. I just be like, it just seems weird to me. It just seems really odd and I don't note tiger at all, of course, I have no idea if he would do that. But the vibe I've gotten is that I don't think he's that into it.

Now him not speaking out against it was significant, I think. The tour so badly. That's the crazy thing this week, right? Oh my God, he's hosting an elevated status event. They just got an invitational status. It's all the benefits. So, you know, him, Jack and Arnie, and the potentially, he's going to nuke all that to go play the PGL. He just capped in the president's cup team. He's gonna nuke all that to go play the PGL.

He just capped in the president's cup team. He's gonna give all that. What happens to the president? I mean, that's the least of our horse. What happens to the president's? I mean, now, now, we're asking real questions. But who will think of the president's cup? I still think they have that hurdle to clear.

But almost everyone we talk to is like, no, no, dude, this is real. Don't slide past this. Who will think of the players championship? I don't want to see the tour break up. I'm sorry. I don't know if that's sentimental of me. What if Tiger was doing like a Kaiser so say? This whole time.

Just like, well, you had, you know, I hesitate to take because I feel like that's kind of an overwrought term these days, but you had a very good theory. You're like, this is the only logical conclusion to... Yeah, if you think about Kat as like, you know, analogous to the Big Bang theory. And, you know, he touched off this massive rapid expansion and professional golf, and it's reached its limits, and it's going to suck back in and blow it off. Supernovae. Yeah, it's reached its limits and it's gonna suck back in and slow down itself. Yeah, it's got that gets me excited. But Cat is the one that both started it and finished it exactly. And is reaping the rewards. Like he's

reaping all the dark matter all the energy. And he's starting this new thing in a black hole over here. I think God, I think Cat giving the middle finger to the tour and be like, you know, you guys from the start, that'd be, I would be way in on that. Now I don't know why, you know, I, that's a whole different conversation. You're a sick guy, Randy. No, I think it'd be awesome.

It would just be so weird because it's not as if, unless there's, nothing Tiger does is secretive, but unless there's this whole secretive world where Tigers behind the scenes dictating everything that happens with the tour, pushing people around, manipulating things, which I've never heard of from him. I've never heard a complaint saying, hey, Persons need to go up.

I want blah, blah, blah. I want the Tigers never, again, I might be way over my skis with this, but I don't ever remember hearing about him pushing any kind of policy through the PGA tour So why how can you like walk away from it without ever being like hey, we need this we need this we need this That's right. I think it's so if he cared that much about the money Wouldn't you think he would have made a play for it sooner?

Yeah, but if you look at it, Yeah, that's a good point. But also the like, A, economic cycles, B, the archivist career, C, you know, desperate, middle-east money that's looking to, you know. Which, we don't talk about that element. Like, what happens if you like join the tour and then like you get hurt,

but like the, the Saudis aren't happy about that, like in force you to play. And, Well, that's some of the stuff about like them. Are you asking me as a viewer? Or as if I was that golfer, because as a viewer, I'm all in. How do they enforce, you know what they do? Like, beeps and stuff and Saudi Arabia? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no the ones that's beating the drum for, hey, I don't think the top guys are getting enough. Is he beating that drum?

I think he's been definitely one of the most of the ciferous guys on that and the ball. The ball, the ball stuff, yes. Where, like, for me, going back, it's like, all right, you got Jack Nicholas, Tiger, Rory, in the USGA saying the same thing about the ball. Like cool, like what's everybody else missing here? Rory spoke out on the ball, like in 2017,

on our podcast, talked about like, yeah, we're taking like two weeks to test tournament ball. I think it'd be really cool. I think it believes the phrase that he used, but to play one, so yeah, I don't know, the distance stuff I've already lost my appetite to debate it too badly, but should we talk about some of that now?

Do you guys have any takes you wanna get into that? Yeah, I wanna say, and I've always been right or die for the guy at my own risk, but could not be more disappointed in Brandl for some of the shit that he's putting out there on Twitter. I think it's, it seems like he's putting out there on Twitter. I think it's it's it's it's it seems like he's like it's embarrassing. Yeah, it like for being a smart guy and you know, he likes to be well read It's like dude like there's some nuance to this conversation that he just like he's throwing out analogy

He's like purposely not grasping. Yeah, it's like a lot of non-sequiturs I'm struggling with it. Yeah, I felt like he was kind of coming around. He and I had a good little debate on bifurcation and distance back in the pod in December of 2018, I believe. And I felt like after that, he kind of, I was kind of taking some pride. I think I got a spark of little knowledge on Brando. He's talking bifurcation and all of a sudden, he's flipped back around to, I don't really know. I mean guys were hitting Adam Scott hit Gap wedge into 18 today somebody you know yeah

and people all you know it was downwind it was for our cool it was a back pan it was it was you know he didn't get maximum roll out he went into the rough on the right like like yeah like I remember watching that tournament in 0102 and guys were hitting Hidden three-footer driver and then a four iron or other three would it yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean Scott and Rory absolutely melted it in but all the arguments of Is a guy gonna be like those guys are still gonna be the best players in the world. Yeah, it's not it's actually dumbing down Their advantage. Yes a little bit. I think you'd see certain players be more dominant if your answer

If you're if you're argument against the ball rollback involves we'll just change the par No, that's not where we're talking like the adults are talking. It's all relative over here that Paul Easinger I I love you, but his answer to it was like, hey, if it's going to like put another bunker in, I'm like, no, man, that's kind of not not the point. A point I wish I would have made the conversation with KVV is, let's just throw this out. Let's say in theory, the ball can go any number of distances that, whatever that scale is, let's say between one and 10. And let's say it goes eight point two right now whatever that is. Why shouldn't it go further?

Like how do we think that today's technology is perfect? Either way, I would rather somebody argue it should go further than it should stay out. That would be more intellectually honest. Yes, they're like, hey, it should go even further. If you're consistent with, I love seeing guys blast it, I love the long drives. Okay, let's go further then. And then we keep pulling on that string and then it's all right, cool.

Like we can't go to Riviera anymore. Sure, yeah, right. No, what courses are obsolete? I don't understand, just keep moving tees back. This is what, what, like why, here, in that, in me. And that's the thing that kills me about everybody is like, oh, me, Riviera is so good.

And like, you know, part or the winning score this week was what, 11 under, 12 under, like, yeah, 11, 12, 23, you know, like, you know, that was the same winning score. All right, cool. It was, it was, thought it was like, cool. It was on the edge this week. It was, you know, it was stretched out. And on that level too, it's like, cool, like, why aren't there more courses like Riviera that that's working go to every year?

There's not, like because- There's only a few masterpieces out there. I mean, we all really enjoy- Or I would say that there's a lot of masterpieces, but they can go to any of them anymore, because- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tour level masterpieces. It really hit me when DJI and I were at Wistling Strait

in October, and I foolishly, but for video purposes, played the tips, and the T-Box, it was, it just hit me. I'm like, why am I going 150 yards back on some of these? Like, why? Think of the, like, why would that make sense? You know what I mean? I get why, because it goes really far,

but why would it, you know, Randy, Randy, you grew up on a Donald Ross. That's correct. Of course. A private club. That's right. Yeah. High Park, 100 Club in Cincinnati. Allegedly. All the greens are right next to the tee boxes. Correct.

Why should that feel like something that's totally out of the norm? I see all the way. It should feel. Yeah. And we touched on this too of how the whole thing, the conversation all changed with these golf ball. Like the ProV1 basically changed the conversation because that is when the gap got really big. The people that generate speed had like hockey stick growth with distance. And the ammeter that is between a probably a three and a 36 handy cap doesn't experience this nearly the same gains.

So that's when the game. Even the guys that's team gains. Team, you're not team gains. Even the guy that's like 80th to 170th on the PGA tour, driving distance, like a Brian Gaea, or Jack, or whomever, like, yeah, exacting growth, but like, he's been left behind even more. And then... It brings everyone closer together with the driving skill. Like, you can't, if you look at Stroke's gain, you can't like gain that many strokes off of T-Shots. Even Rory, like, you go through this,

he won't gain even half a stroke with a drive almost ever like if you if you follow that and if you make an eight foot put you gain half a stroke That's where I think it's so interesting that the tour has cited with all the OEMs and because all right, they're like all right cool players are I'm assuming this is their logic players are getting paid by equipment companies to play their clubs and Not that much anymore, but I think you know that. And so as that money dries up, well, it's the, the OEM spend money with the tour too. For sure. Yeah. To a certain extent, like I think the, I think the tournaments are going to be a, would be a hell of a lot more exciting. If there was more variance in the ball spawn a little bit

and actual like the driver shouldn't be the easiest club in the back to hit. For sure. It just, like honestly, it took walking back to those tees to be like, why are we doing this? What the fuck are we doing? Why are we doing this? Why is this the best solution?

Like disproportionately playing golf holes that are, they don't even look like golf holes anymore where you go back to some of these teas, just to have a, basically the whole point of it all is you get too much of a head start with the driver. You bypass so much of the challenge of the hole, so the response is move the teas back so you don't get too much of a head start,

or you just don't maybe have equipment that will give you that much of a head start. And like, I'm gonna, you know, like we're sponsored by, I guess. And I put the Maverick in the bag, I got the right shaft in and out. And I, like I've driven it better in over the last, you know, three weeks than I have.

But we play golf for fun. We play A, we play golf for fun and B, like it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be the easy club my bag to hit. Right. But I still argue for bifurcation. I think you should be able to have a driver. Because I stink anyway.

Not even that, but we go out to have fun. And if you want to have the option to dial back, I've always played the best legal equipment because I don't want to give a competitive. I don't want to give myself a disadvantage. Why would I do that? Well, it's also like the game's kind of bifurcated right now as it is.

It is. It is. And that's what I especially when I'm talking about the game team games like team games of course. Like the top the guys. You look at all the testing these guys are doing. Yeah, the launch water stuff. And it's like they're you know, it all works together. So like, legitimately every point that some like rebuttal that somebody makes to the ball going too far is like, oh, it's a course design. Well, yeah, course design changed because the ball goes really far. It's like, oh, well, the biggest thing for me

is the ball doesn't spin anymore. Yes. Go back to a Beth page, and that's like, I'm not sure Beth page is right answer, but, you know, like, my car new see, for instance. All right, there's two 450 yard plus par four is to finish up. Cool, like, basically it's like a sunk cost.

It's a total, like you're just expecting the guy that's in the lead to make either eight or nine on those two holes. He's gonna go in par par par or par bogey because there's no variance off the tee. And the ball doesn't spin and like everything's just, I'm just watered down. It's just vanilla. So I was talking about this with one of the guys that played a tournament with this weekend

of how I feel like when I go play in Scotland or Ireland or something like that, I don't mind him to punch shot. My mind turns creative and I can do all that. And now that I've started to get back into competitive golf, I've become so much more robotic because like golf just doesn't demand the kind of creative shots. And when I had to go to hit a creative shot under the wind now, I've been struggling with that like a lot because I've been training myself to be this kind of robotic competitive golfer.

And I see that path, like I totally see that path. Like if you can enable the cheat codes, you're bypassing so many of these challenges. and you don't need that shot nearly as much. So, Randy, you're a big baseball fan. I mean, really both of you guys are like, what's to be? I'm getting, if they, if Red start like 10 and 4, I'm back in. The Reds have been a big off season, but for sure. Um, do you feel like baseball has been dumbed down at all via Android?

By the cheating? Yeah. The buzzers. Yeah, for sure. The analytics, yeah. I think it's not as fun of a game as, I struggle with this though because it's like, maybe anything is just more fun when you're 10, 12 years old, but- When are we going in it?

Yeah, but I had more fun watching baseball, like I came of age in the mid 90s Then I do now just seems robotic guys are swinging from their heels. It's a lot of you know three true outcomes strike out walk or or home run That's what the PJ tour feels like these yes. Yes. Yes, for sure I was just gonna add on top of this. I'm a hundred percent team team rollback. I think I'm anti-bifurcation though. Like, can you imagine if you got the general public playing, you know, rolled back equipment?

Like all of a sudden, you're playing, you know, we go out and I don't know, we'll tee it up from 6,500 yards. Like, what if the masses were all of a sudden playing 5,700, 5,800 yards on these tight properties. Like, when that speed up the game, when that promote more people playing, when that, I think the less crazy, and this is the toothpaste

and the tube part of the conversation, which I don't know if this is gonna happen, but the less horrible backties you have, the more likely the guys are gonna move up. You know what I mean? People love, no matter what, I play the two uptees. I play the one uptees. I love that.

And if there's no 7,500 yard option, playing at 57 doesn't feel so too far up. But the way golf courses have had to be designed in the last 20 years, they're designed more for, it's not these classic courses that the Greens roll into the teas anymore, where that next team makes so much sense for regulated equipment. Like now it just makes, those places are just broken. Like they're just, they don't make sense to go do.

The scale of things has been changed so much. And nothing is simple about this. So if your solution to this fits in a tweet, like you've not thought about this enough, like you haven't. All the responses of like, oh, just move up a set of teas or just move back a set of teas or add a tea, or like, there's any other handicap changes. No, it all works together.

Like everything in this all works together. And the main thing I think is, like we've talked about, all of these crazy advances happen at the highest level. And if your opinion is like, I don't care about what happens at the highest level. Okay, then you're not a part of the conversation anymore. That was one of the touching your equipment. About Rory's comments were like,

Hey, like I'm the point one of the one percent. Like, and that was, But that's influencing the game. That's, that's the, but he was, he was super up front about it. And he said like, yeah, like I honestly feel like it would be, you know, it would be really, really good for golf if we just, yes, went back. Like all, there's so many that the wide verification makes so much sense to me.

Again, if we're not changing anything for the amateur guy, it doesn't make that big of a difference to begin with. Stuff is more forgiving now. I think it makes golf more fun for a 10 handicap. I think some of those legitimate amateur competitions are probably gonna go to the same. Sure, they should. They should.

They should. And I don't, I honestly don't think that it should be that drastic. I don't think the changes, it's not a 10% rollback. So, like going back to, like, all right, like what, was there ever a time in baseball when going back to, like, all right, like what was there ever a time in baseball? When baseball said, you know, all right,

like metal bats have come along. There's an opportunity for the, for MLBE to start using metal bats versus, I don't know if they ever considered metal bats. I know what Major League Baseball has done is adjust like the pitcher's mound and so when it became a crazy hitting environment they raised the pitching mound and you know all of a sudden you guys like Bob Gibson posting

a you know one ERA. Yeah so you know Major League Baseball has definitely made tweaks to the way the game has played. In terms of, you know, pitching mound is kind of equipment, you know, in a sense. It certainly influences how the game has played. It's like, it's like tweaking a set. But I was going to say, you can go play Beer League Softball. They make like super illegal softball bats. And I've taken bad acting practice as one.

It's like, you know, home run, yeah. And it's like even beer league softball leagues have like specifications where you have to, you know, your bat has to be within a certain range, like length of weight or whatever the markers are. But it's like, yeah, like, you don't see just beer league softball dudes just hitting these trampoline

bands. Uncheck technology. Yeah. I remember when I was in Little League and shit, that would have been, you know, so 10, 11, 12. So I was, this is like 98 through 2000, you know, I think minus 14 was like the lowest as far as the, it's like the red line first and, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And like that was, here's where I met though. And like some guys would like take the core out and put tennis balls in the middle of it. So what, if you go play at Pebble at 8.30 in the morning, 55 degrees, like a little marine layer rolling in, what's that rollback?

Shout out to the cat. Of course. Oh, yeah roll back? That's a challenge like cat. Of course. Oh, yeah, I know that's super. Like, is that 10% is that 8% is like there are varying conditions. If you go play in Florida at 55 degrees versus when it's 85 in human in the summer, it's two club difference for me. Like, that is what we're talking about as far as the variance go. Guys go out, they're going to go to Mexico this week. It's going to a 10% difference in, 15%. What is it?

I mean, it's insane at the altitude they're playing it. They're playing it. They're gonna play the equivalent of like a 6200 yard course. And they adjust like week of, and Rory said on the pot, it would take him two weeks to test tournament ball. Like this is not gonna be this crazy of a change as people think it is.

We're an hour and a half. Yeah. I want to go to pass. Of course. Can we talk about the volatility on the cornferri towards this week? Luke Guthrie were following. He made like two bogies and dropped 35 places.

Exactly. There were no separation. There were like 40 guys with two shots to the lead at one point on a Saturday. Couple bogies. I saw the top 10. I didn't recognize like any of the any of the I was kind of a weird week.

Kind of a weird. We're. It didn't sound like it was a good challenge of a course. So looking ahead, we got Torresaw season, season five, episode four out this week. Drew Blue and Caledonia this week. Excited for that. Excited for the Puerto Rico open.

Shout out to Martin trainer WC Mexico. Cornfari is off. They go to the El Bosque tournament done in also in Mexico. And then the Euro Tour is off before Randy Hines favorite stretch of the year. Oman, Cotter, and then the Magical Kenya Opa. God, what a stretch. What a stretch. It's the best. I love that they had to read Jaguar. I hope the PGL doesn't screw up that. I love that they had to rejigger the... I hope the PGL doesn't screw up that stretch. I know.

They had to rejigger the whole thing because you couldn't travel from certain countries to Qatar because of all the, you know, so that could be a consideration with the PGL as well. Mm-hmm. That might break up the whole thing. Big mid-amps week this week as well. We got the gaspilla down here in Tampa.

I heard that too. I heard that too. So I'm gonna be missing a little bit of Mexico, but do you have your pair yet? If I miss the cut, I'll be seeing plenty of Mexico. Will you explain the gas barilla to me? It's a mid-amp event held at Palmasía Country Club in Tampa that I got an invite to play in and I'm gonna play it.

It's got some of the top mid-amps from the whole country. I've never played anything like this. A little 6,200 yard course with 12 yard wide fairways at certain points. And it sounds like you got some experience on that this week. I did get some experience on that this week. It's going to be a fun show. The wind's going to blow. It's going to be like 15 to 20, which is a lot in cross wins with the tie fairways, but we're gonna see what happens

I am very excited to do it. It's gonna be a great great Matt Parsial is gonna be there some some other top mid-AM names that you might know might not know But the slenderman the slenderman. He's not gonna be there. I don't think I did not see him at LACC this I saw I saw Trameruci, though. Oh, nice. I was going to, the gas pedal also, I was a senior division. I didn't know how to say how to the old guys do. I will.

Mr. Royak, you're, you're reaching exactly. Exactly, I will see. Yeah, definitely say. No, I have a lot of friends on the, yeah, in the senior AM circuit. You should come on down and watch. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. All right, thank you everybody for tuning in. I'm not going to apologize for the link.

This was a lot of fun. Appreciate you guys being here on Sunday night. And, cheers. Two crack one. Give it a big club. Be the right club today. Yes. Be the club.

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