No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 283: WGC Mexico Recap

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

Patrick Reed edges Bryson in Mexico after getting buried by Koepka and Kostis, and we recap everything else from Mexico including the golf course, Rory, JT, NBC, and a bunch more. We also discuss Hovland's win in Puerto Rico, Peter Kostis' dynamite interview (52:30), the recent PGL interview that surfaced this week (1:14:00), and a bunch more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

That's better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lang podcast full core press here Sunday night here in the Kale House. Solid here to my left. We we rallied the big guy for tonight. Bryson's involved had to get him here. Big Randy.

Hello, gentlemen. TC is here. What are we drinking tonight, Mr. Tron? The scene bottle one last week. Just finishing it off. That's very cool. DJ Pies here. Hello. We have a story from DJ Pies day that we're going to get to here at a certain point. And I'm very excited to tell. Yeah, we don't need to lead with that. No, we're definitely leading with that story. Patrick Reed has the content king. I think it's fair to, to call read the content king. He has won the WGC Mexico championship for the second time. I think it's fair to call read the content king. He has won the WGC Mexico championship for the second time. I'd say he's like the, he's the, you know,

alternate field content king. What do you mean? The cats, the content king. But he's like the Puerto Rico open of content compared to cat. Well, read is actively. It's very abd. He's creating the, but Tiger just is a machine. He's not like actively creating it. Readiness is going out of his way to create it. I would argue Bryson's above read as far as content creation. Really? Maybe content optimization. I don't know that necessarily creation.

The guy's a goon. We're going to get to that. I did see someone tweeted like a shirtless picture of him. He had a point about the abs. I went tweeted it. I didn't see that. It's not that you saw it out. No, no, no, no.

I think it was Dylan DeChair or somebody tweeted an actual picture of Bryson like, like an Instagram, a mirror picture that he put on his Instagram. Like they showed off that he had a point about the abs. I will say that. That's all I'm gonna say. Yeah. I thought he was just a thick boy, but he apparently has been working out some muscles. So I'm a little disappointed, very disappointed that we didn't get a Bryson Reed playoff. Three three Wiggles

from Bryson. Three three Wiggles on the back nine or just a total for the day. I mean, I thought he with the put on was not a good but that's 17 or 17, which is 18. That was 18. That was a. That was three feet 10 inches short on a putty had to make, basically to win. I don't think Reed had made the birdie yet. Maybe he had on. Okay. I watched the very out 70. I watched the cut of the Wilmington episode from this week from Torres St. There's a putt just like that in there that I needed against you So you can relate what he's going exactly Well, all right before we just like make fun of Bryson Are we ready to say he might have been on to something by like with gains SCN and?

I mean you want to explain what your what your boys been up to do you think he's he's on to something? So am I the Bryson fanboy fanboy is that why don't you And I mean, you want to explain what your boy's been up to? Do you think he's on to something? So, am I the Bryson fanboy? Fanboy is that? Why don't you, if I may, why don't you start by explaining your stance? Talk to us about your relationship with Bryson DeChambo. So have you accepted him as your Lord and Xavier of content?

I believe the quote from the 2017 Golf adjacent video at the at the P.J. championship was that's my guy. I'm in on big data. I'll stand by that. I'll say this. It was eye opening. You sent off a very just easy tweet, making fun of Bryson with his putter slam.

And it is quite eye opening. How much people do not like him. I think his agent, his representative, anybody who cares about the image of Bryson D. Shembo would be well served to understand that. There are many, many people that do not like him. I, however, do not. But isn't that part of their, maybe their objectives?

It could. I feel like the guy's making money. It could be overfist. It isn't that part of why you do like him? I was gonna say, I do not count myself in that group. I enjoy him. I think he's great. Group O. Group O.

I think he's great for the PJ tour. I love how triggered he makes people. I initially liked him coming into the Puma stable because he was the real alpha in Tama. Oh, God. That's a good take. I think Gary Woodland's in the Puma stable, though. to the real ass table because he was the real alpha in town. Oh, God. That's a good take. I think Gary Woodland's in the Puma stable though.

Chris Baker's in the Puma stable as well. That's true. Yeah, that's true. What happened to rule number one on this show, huh? What's that? No free ads. What happened here? I didn't know they had a stable.

Well, I'm just saying, he's like a pack, Puma's traveling pack. It's like a terrarium. Yeah, I'm just saying he's like a pack like boom is traveling packs like a terrarium. Yeah, he came in, you know, I'm on the record saying I think people who go about things differently, you know, for lack of a better term, you know, people who are kind of weird who are different. I just am drawn to that out of natural curiosity. I don't think there's anything inherently like good about that, but it interests me. And so it makes you feel things. Yeah, I pay attention to him and I'm glad he's different.

I think, you know, everybody has a right to not like him. That's fine, but I do think whether you'd like him or strongly dislike him, it's more fun to feel that way than if he was just a vanilla like him, it's more fun to feel that way than if he was just a vanilla guy who, you know, was just forgettable. So I, he doesn't bother me. I guess net net end of the day. Like his, his antics, his weirdness is, you know, his whole deal, like, doesn't really bother me because I don't, I don't care. I kind of like how much it bothers other people. And I think he's good for the game. I hope that's fair. I think that's... I don't. This thing would be very boring to do if there weren't people like Bryson to make fun of and talk about. I love that Bryson is part of the scene. Do I think he's a

chowed for the way that he... He basically throws all of his colleagues as... I thought that was interesting that Bryson actually said in the post-round interview that you know stuck up for read on the Post-round interview with Todd Lewis and said hey, you know Patrick reads my coworker all this I've never heard Really? of players coworker But I feel like he's he's always Gone out of his way to make sure it's it comes off as hey, I'm the smartest guy in the world Nobody's ever thought to try this before. You know, all these other guys are idiots. Yeah, I

think the true smartest people are just go about their business and do the smart things and don't have to tell everyone about it. And maybe that's just the media that's just run with his whole all that I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but all the irons are the same length. And it's, which is kind of cool, which is very, it is. I, stuff you're doing is really, really working and giving you an advantage. Why do you want to tell all your competitors about it? It's same thing Phil does though.

That thing does. I mean, it can handle it. Phil does very guilty of this too of like, I, here's what I've got figured out. It's frank and wood time. Like people don't even know about the Frankenwood. Bill's truly just fucking with us. Yeah, that's a very fair point. Didn't Max say that on our podcast like forever ago though, that Max Homo was talking about playing with Phil and how that can come off as you know, all the fig jam stuff.

But really like, if you get to know him, it strikes you much more. It's just like, man, like, I'm so psyched that I can tell you, like, how to hit that shot that I just hit. Like, let me break it down for you. Still, then you know how it works. It's like, it's so cool to know, you know, I think that's how at least those close to the situation think Phil goes about it. What's going to be next for Bryson? I mean, we have the gains with the driving. We have the iron length. We have soaking balls and Epsom baths.

We have the putting. We were seeing it right now. I know the butthole something. See, this getting pretty, pretty big, maybe. I know Tron and Randy are lockstep with the other one. What is this? Certified health nut. Yeah.

There's a guy we follow on Instagram. Certified health nut. He's getting so much if I had him in B12. It's crazy. So I could maybe if he had thought of that, I could see that maybe be the next one. But you know, too, you kind of asked the question up front, which I think is like the headline question. We haven't even really talked about Reed who won the tournament. But, you know, are the things that he's doing working and man, it'd be pretty hard to argue for sure. I don't think I'd ever really,

it'd never really dawn on me until this week, like the whole towel guy thing. Oh yeah. The, the, the, the, the, I mean, it's not fucking real. It was so you could see a laser better on the green. Oh my God. And then, and then he started,

and then he started, great. And he started saying the laser was, like, he doesn't have to use a laser that's too powerful. If he could have used, if the, like, to be clear, if people are on Twitter, there was a photo going around of someone on Team Bryson holding up a towel to block the sun, so Bryson could put in the shade.

It looked like they were just like cooling him off. It's a page out of Mr. Burns book from The Simpsons, blocking out the sun. Which even to Bryson's credit, he's been like this since he came out of the car. For sure as the team goes, like right when he came out, I'm a Washington heritage and Randy and I were there

and he had five guys and, you know, they were all like, man, how the fuck is this guy supporting such a big team? And we now see how, I mean, I do totally agree the way he does everything is extremely interesting. I just think he's a douche. I guess both things can be true. Yeah, I think it's speaking of douche's, can we talk about the winner of this tournament?

For sure. I would also like to point out last thing though. I think the tour can run with anything, the least bit. Yes. Funny or interesting and they just bludgeon you over the head with it. It's not even a tour that's called media in general. Golf media in general. And so there's a natural kind of backlash when you've been just force fed, you know,

brison so interesting. Like I get that too and that's not all his fault either. You know, some of that like you said is all a golf media. Funny note there. Did you guys see the Euro Tour tweet about Eric Van Ruin's birthday? Mm-hmm. I'll have to retweet it.

There were like 55 tweets about his birthday yesterday. Well, there was a highlight package that the Euro Tour put together from NBC of all the times they mentioned that he was the birthday boy. Oh, no. It was at least 20 times. It was incredible.

Rainy, what's your take on birthdays? Once you pass like six years old, completely unnecessary. I kind of agree. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. There are worthless like drain on productivity. Quite literally everyone has one. Exactly.

Everyone that treats their own birthday, like that's a very special thing. We talked about butthole son of her. Yeah, everybody has one of those too. That's great. But not everybody's using it the proper way of hair. So, Patrick Reed was in the news this week for a couple of reasons before winning the WGC Mexico Championship. What's in the news?

That's what it is. We're going to break down the Peter Costas podcast that hit the airwaves this past week, a little bit more in totality after we get to a couple of things. But Peter Kostas mentioned in the podcast that he had seen him improve his life for separate times. And that was the first I had heard of that. That made some, made some waves. And Keppka called him out on PGA tour radio or some kind of serious

XM radio show. Of course, with Sway. With Sway. One of my favorite golf journalists. Sway Calaway. Yeah, that of MTV news. Exactly. It was in that winter XK.

No, so I was Sway, Sway, Sway. Sway, Sway, Sway. I struggled with this. Apparently, this is a thing because I was googling other Sway stuff after this interview dropped in. You're thinking of Salmasa Kayla. Yeah, now I'm going to sound like him. No, I was thinking to say, no, no, no, I was thinking of Salmasa Kayla. Now I'm gonna sound like him. No, I was thinking the same thing.

No, no, no, I was thinking the same thing. They did a whole interview. No, this stays it. Look up the YouTube video. They did a whole sway and Salmasa Kayla interview together about how they always get confused for each other. So it's not just us. Oh yeah.

What's sway, what up world? No, that was Tiger Woods. That's what I mean. On MTV News. Yeah, got it. Sways on, uh, uh, Series XM, Journal 45. XL, Shade.

Shade, yeah. Which, very proper for, uh, anyway. We're saying Nina, Nina tech nine, though, should have done it. Nina say what? Yeah. Anyway, his brook's Kafka says on this show.

Yes, I'll, what do you need? That, uh, Reed was building sand says on this show. Yes, Ali, what do you need? That Reed was building sandcastles or whatever down there, which I don't even, everyone's like, oh, he kept a call to him out. I'm like, no, he's actually just like describing what happened. I don't even think that was a call out. I think, correct me if I'm wrong,

and I'm sure that I am, because there's no way that nobody has asked players directly this question. But what kind of blew my mind was that sway noted golf journalist, hit it so head on in that he was like, so what do you think? Was that cheating? And Capca was like, yeah. And I was like, wow, like has anybody really asked this in just like a yes, no way? Or is it just like, hey, I'm just curious,

your thoughts on the read situation? Well, you know, obviously, let's read it. Let's read it, because when asked by host, Sway Calaway, if read was cheating, when it proved his lie, Keppka said, yeah, I don't know what he was doing. Not 100% no. The first part of the interview, I watched it 30 times.

The first time he says, was that cheating? And Keppka says, mm, yeah. Okay. Like straight up. He says, yeah. And then he pauses to think. And then he says, then he goes into his whole like, yeah, I don't know what he was doing, built in sandcastles.

But like he, period point blank said, like, yes, that was cheating. Well, the part that I thought was the best was I took three months off and I can promise you, I know if I touch sand. Which was our whole thing. Of course like nobody. Yeah, it was like you're not even using the right defense. I can't even yeah, I do feel like if you're going to deny it, that's not that doesn't even make sense.

If you asked other players, yes, no question. They would say, all right, well, yeah, you know, that just depends on your definition of cheating. Depends on what your definition of is. It does. Uh, so that was going on your definition of cheating. It depends on what your definition of is. That's what it does. So that was going on leading into it. And so I kind of, I don't, I feel like NBC definitely turned down the all the stuff that he's overcome this week.

I thought they didn't pump that too much. There was a bit of a rise above the noise and everything was like, it's not really noise. Like the dude cheated. So I looked this up. Simon Dyson got two months for the ball tap, like he, there was a, Noah's, like the dude cheated. So I looked this up, Simon Dyson got two months for the ball tap, like he, the result. Simon Dyson got the electric chair.

The spike mark in his line and he tapped it down and got two months suspension, okay. I think would you guys agree that what redid is worse than what Simon Dyson did? Hell yes. Would you agree, DJ? Yeah. Mr. Big Randy.

Who can say? Who can say? So imagine at least on par. Yeah. He got zero great content for it. Two months after the incident, Patrick Reed is one again on the PGA tour. Should he should Patrick Reed be playing right now? If he'd got a two month suspension that would have started January one, he would not be currently playing.

And he just won one of their biggest events. And the tour has threatened to penalize people who talk about it far more than they penalized Patrick Reed. Yes. Like his, the suspension thing, people seemed really, I guess, turned off with the punishment, but I never heard a lot of people saying calling for him to be suspended. I called for him to be suspended. I called for Sergio to be suspended when he got for him to be suspended. I called for Sergio to be suspended

when he got disqualified and sat in. Maybe the last year. That was sick. So I just, he's now won. In the end, that he would have been suspended. We're gonna find out. It's gonna find out. All this time that they chopped off Sergio's hand,

he's got a fake hand like Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker rather. I want to know real quick though, that Dyson, I don't think, actually had to serve this suspension though. Oh really? It would have gone into effect had, according to a PGA news story. His band will become effective only if he commits another rules breach in the next 18

months. So essentially they gave him probation. Really? But I think what was the late breaking news, just coming into the show. Well, on his Wikipedia page it does not note that as far as I'm concerned. I think what was also the air as a as a history majoring college First thing they tell you is Wikipedia is not a proper source. I think Wikipedia's got better in the last like 12 years I spent 60 hours a week on Wikipedia, but

I'm just saying. This is why you're at the Vietnamese place. I would love to audit that, but we have other things to do. So as far as I just got done louding, it's ways yes, no questions. Your should Patrick Reed be suspended. Yes, no question is a very interesting one. And I'm curious before we answer that,

does it make a difference that it was the hero world challenge? Is that a stupid question? Not a stupid question. I don't think it makes a difference in their ruling. I think it's a PGA Tour sanctioned event. I know. I do think it is maybe a little bit different. If that happened at the US Open,

or not, that's a bad example, because it's USJV, but if that happened at the players, would he be suspended? Or does that make a difference on you? I don't think he would have been because I think they would I think there's a it doesn't it shouldn't make a difference to me personally. There's a good parallel with the European tour with Lucas Herbert last year in Dubai and they didn't suspend him. Yeah, that's true Maybe we're the I was a big event. Only ones that actually care about.

He gets the chance to be playing golf. Well, I was going to bring back with Dyson and I'm curious about Herbert. Did he show like contritions? I think Dyson like really apologized. I think that's what's, I was going to say that seems to me what's lacking from the whole read incident is any type of ownership or like, I'm sorry, you know, I made a mistake. I see it's bad. It's the whole reason why people are still pissed about like, I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I see it's bad.

It's the whole reason why people are still pissed about like, why this, this astros scandal has so much leg. You're tweaked this week was fantastic. It was just like, yeah, the way that people are reacting to the astros thing is very similar to the read thing. Like the punishment doesn't fit the crime even remotely. And people are like, not okay with the way that this has been dealt down. When people feel like somebody's gotten away with something or and even almost encouraged to get away with it and it gets brushed under the rug and all it does is make it a bigger

issue. Yeah. And now we've, you know, we find out this week that it's probably more like three, four, five times. Yes, it happened. Slash, maybe like an unknowable amount of times when cameras are not on. Exactly. And poor, I've had a good point in his article this week, fresh off paternity leave, by the way, right back to the laptop, spit and fire, said that, you know, with all the sports betting, to like, you know, how, like, people need to be assured that things are above board, right? That things are going to be handled objectively. That's on the tour.

Yeah, I mean, I can agree with this thought process if I think what happened this week was a good setup and that two different incidents happened with Reed. This thing has not gone away. So, this is still a story this week. I respect Steve Sands a lot in his work. I would imagine he's put in a tough spot and is told what to ask in this scenario. I need a lot more on that 18th green than how rewarding is this win? Can I kind of stop? I like Sands too. But a lot of the time Sands's interviews can be, man, you've been the greatest things in sliced bread. Well, I just mean him out. Yeah. And you're, you're, you're God's gift to earth and to golf. And man, what does this mean to you? Yeah.

That's, that's a lot of his stuff. But as a viewer, I needed like, hey, you got dragged in the mud yet again this week. There was or any extra incentive this week to kind of silence the haters. Like, I would love to see what Patrick Reed's response that would, but I know what it would have been. Like, I'm just out here trying to buy the best I can, but I needed him prompted on that more than how rewarding is that I think the press is going to be more interesting. I was going to say, do you need it in that moment? Are

you willing to let the, the writers, the scribes ask him that question? Cause I got to think that will be a big. Well, let me hope so. If he would have said, I don't know, I think the TV is so much more transcendent. Like I think agreed. Like if he would have said his top five player in the world thing in a press conference, I don't think it nearly gets the amount of run that that it got from the interview, which was at the same bit, which is awesome. I think what a cool same event. I mean golf channel is right now. 2000 miles away. NBC golf channel. They're in a pretty precarious screen with you. But you can ask you, you don't have to frame it like,

hey, you're a cheat. What do you think? It's kind of like, hey, man, like you're getting some shots. So not you, here's your chance to defend yourself actually. Like, what would you say to all that? But I wonder how much of it was, not that it's an excuse, but I wonder, like if the coverage went over,

like they were already into America's Got Town. Yeah, that did seem quick. I wonder if they were just trying to kind of get in, get out, get grab bonk. Well, I hope that we wake up to some good stuff from the news conference. So before we move on, we got a lot more to talk about from TPC Chipotle, but there, uh, if there was a lot of tour action, keep track of this week. And if you saw any of it on TV, you probably noticed a lot of caleway, Maverick drivers and Odyssey Stroke Lab putters in the bags.

Caley, the most drivers in play of any brand in both Mexico and Puerto Rico, led of course by the new Maverick driver, and Odyssey had the most putters in play at both events. I saw a lot of both of those also at the gas braille that I played this past week. So a lot of top players are choosing to play with Callway. Eric Van Ruin is one of them.

He led the field in the unofficial stat of ratio of shortest pants to longest putts made statistic. I think red that somewhere. Are you guys in on the joggers? I want to say I kind of am. I think it looks kind of good. I had a few people asking on Twitter. I don't mind them.

No. I'm the right person. Yeah. Could you pull them off? He thought he looked great. He's kind of a unit. Yeah. Could you pull them off?

No, absolutely not. I don't think any of us are, maybe Neil. Neil could pull them off. I think Neil could pull them off. I don't think any of us are maybe Neil. Neil could probably Neil could pull though I think Neil could pull them off. I don't think any of us are pulling them off. I'd like to see it on big Randy But he was using a stroke lab marksman and route to one of his best ever global finishes Back to the driver you heard a say it before but Maverick comes in a standard head which fits to most players The max for those that need a little bit more forgiveness DJ pie DJ can you do that? That means yeah Oh, you guys don't use that one. I thought it was you know because I was just that need a little bit more forgiveness. DJ pie. DJ can you put that means? Yeah. Oh, you guys told me to use that one.

I thought it was, you know, because I was just peering it so hard. Well, why don't we let me get through this and then you can tell us about that. For giving the maxes. And for high spin players, there's the Maverick sub zero, which also is used by Vanderbilt standout. Will Gordon, he used that to Monday qualifying in Puerto Rico, had a finish of T20. He's best finish of 2020 so far. So learn.

I said, young Claire. I learn. Yeah. And TCs is the sub-zero. TCs is the sub-zero as well. That's right. Learn more about the Maverick at Caliwigolf.com and Odyssey Stroke Lab putters at OdysseyGolf.com.

DJ, will you please detail what happened with your Maverick Max today? Is it very forgiving? Well, after just melting it on the first two holes, one in the fairway, one not in the fairway. Listen, no, I'm not going to tell the story. But I'm not telling the story. DJ, I were out playing with our friend Justin Heuber today and you know, a hall of Amhert Jim Furek and DJ, tops his drive off the third hole. It hits a, hits the white T marker and ricochets into the bunker on the second green behind us.

Behind us. You know what I'd say? It was a healthy, as I said, 8,000 CCs of rubber the green. Just, I mean, just the, it was so deep. I've never seen you were laugh that hard. And I was so flustered. Did you take them all again? No, no.

I take them all again. I hopped down on the bunker, punched flustered. Did you take them all again? No, no. I took them all again. I hopped down on the bunker, punched it out. Did you rake the bunker? Made a six. Yeah, of course I raked that. That's disgusting. Well, I just want to say like, you know, sitting at this table a month, you know, such as steamed company, I don't want to really hear a whole lot about topping shots at Tim

Aquana because there's much, much, much video edit evidence from many of the people here of hitting some dog shit shots. Solid you play the right. No, I had you to I don't think I've ever had to drop backwards. So go backwards. That's that's decent. That's decent. And he was I had a top-shank internament this week. So thank you. Listen, I we all have our bad shot. I will say it was it got a laugh about him. That's the whole point rattling. place with Thursday game with DJ this week And I thought he drove the ball really really well. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, he drove it really well the rest of the day

And I I think it was an outlier I personally fit him in the Maverick. Yeah max max. Yeah, or the yet the max after after We've got some content coming out. I did a map. I'm a master fitter. You're a master fitter. I am very excited for this. I'd like to propose something real quick. I think with the late Senator John McCain passing, I think there's a real dearth of anybody nickname Maverick and strands these days. Strands also is gone. I'd like to I'd like to TC. I think you could be our new Maverick. How would you spell it though? M-A-V-R-I-K. Yeah. I think that would be.

No offense to Maverick, mainly. That's true. I think so. TC, I hear by annoying you, Maverick. That's really cool, yeah. Well, Katie, he's kind of like A Maverick, maybe not the Maverick. And DJ, it sounded like you and Big Jim took home.

Yeah, we want some cash, but yeah. I don't know if that's in the PGA Tourntagogy program. We don't have to get it well within, you know, the amount we were playing for today. I missed a 50 foot birdie putt on the last hole, which hurt. We're also, we also have an announcement. We're thrilled to announce a brand new partnership

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We go. Come on. You go. Absolutely. Go ahead. You can tap down spike mark. Does he know that? Does he know that? Honestly, that's what he got. Does he know that you can do that?

I don't know. It's a nice habit. Like as soon as you see a spike mark, or as soon as you miss a putt, like, oh, that hits something. Totally. Yeah, I think that's the whole, tour player confidence, right?

Like it's, yeah, I wasn't a Nicholas that said that or something, like if you ever think like anything is your fault You're you're probably not gonna make it kind of a thing I did love rom solid solid texted earlier today on our group thread Rom might be that dude. I thought he was Literally 15 seconds later he imploded hitting the water on the second shot. I have an act for doing that, but Rams Run has been absolutely insane. And I don't think people have fully appreciated it. He finished T3.

He was T17 of the Genesis, but T9 waste management, second of farmers, 10th of the century, not great. Second of hero, he won the DP World Tour Championship and he won the Spanish Open in the fall, like he's playing some unbelievable golf. But he didn't win. Listen, he didn't win. JT did not win either. He didn't win.

JT hit some squirreling shots. He did not have it today. The left handed punch out was, that was wild. That was wild. Among the cooler shots, we've seen in 20. Which is a tribute to this golf course. I love watching a golf course where you can hit driver. I go ahead, but you can't miss with driver anywhere.

There's nowhere to miss it. So seeing- We saw about the first hole. I mean, I know we got car path and everything, but it was what, a hundred yards over the green. A hundred and something yard part four. Was it the second hole? It was the second hole.

Might have been the second. But then there were 76 yards long. There were some other screen grabs like I sent to you this week and I said, this is disgusting. This guy can't win. Well, it's kind of funny to see in comparison to like Leashman's win where he just drove it all over the map and was somehow able to kind of like

piece it together. As soon as you saw JT hit like three of those or whatever, it's like there's no way. This is, there's no way this is happening. Yeah, I'm as you saw JT hit like three of those or whatever it's like to there's no way This is there's no way this is happening. I was stretched to JT hit one He was punching out and then hit it through some trees Banked left And then you know within 12 feet. I was like that was that was the best shot of salt Yeah, he his drive on two went 449 yards and he had 76 yards back into the hole. Which

like this. Again, the course is, I love that's going to be. I'm watching off course where it's so intriguing as to what's going to happen on the T-Shot. So much of PJ Tour Golf is there's not a huge risk reward. Like when you pound driver, it's like, oh, you're barely in the rough or you hit it in the fairway. Here, it's like, no, like hit in the the rough or you hit it in the fairway. Here, it's like, no, no, like hit it in the fairway or you're punching out. And up against a chain link fence. Yes.

And there's like, I wish there's an Uber stand over there. I do a honking. It's just so fun. And it's so fun to watch. I think we said this last couple of years, but it's so fun to watch or answer the question of what would it look like if pros played my local Munich course? It's the world Munich championship. Yeah.

The course is, I would say, so bad that it's good. Well, let me, let me ask you this. So this tournament's been going on for what? Three or four years? I think it's the fourth year, fourth year. And it's been an exceptional winner to my memory every year, exceptional tournament every year, great competition. It's what is top three favorite events of the year.

Like, if not favorite. But let me ask you, like, do I think this is like a good golf course? No, by the standards, you know, that we tend to assign good and bad. But, let me, okay, but that's, okay, then the question goes to you. Like, does it matter on the PJ tour,

or like, is this all we need? Well, you'd rather have the variables, right? Like, you'd rather have just something totally off the wall. I think that goes, you have to be on one end of the spectrum. Yes. And I think this is on the goofier end of the spectrum, which is great. I agree. But I don't assign that end of the spectrum as being bad. I guess that's where I disagree with.

I disagree with you. Yeah, that's fair. But you wouldn't host the US Open there, is what I'm getting at. Yeah, probably not. Well, it'd be tough in my time. It's TPC. Thank you. Is TPC Twin Cities a good course?

I would rather, I mean, like I'd rather watch on this. Yeah, I think that's the point. That's the point. That is in the middle, right? Right. So there's the world-class golf courses on the PGA tour. I mean, I won't's the point. That is in the middle, right? Right. So there's the world class golf courses on the PGA tour. I mean, I won't, not all inclusive.

I would put off top of my head, I think Riviera, I think is very fun to watch. Of course, I think TPC sawgrass is extremely fun to watch. Memorial can be debated, probably, but that's like what came to mind. When you get into the next group, I'd much rather have group bones. Let's get them. I'd much rather have the TPC, Chipotle, not TPC Chipotle. I'd rather watch that than the next tier. Like, at the middle of the road, PGA tour course, I think is very boring to watch

because it's just, it's a, it can get into a lot of reasons why, but I'd rather watch them do something screwy like this. I think it comes back to, it asks different questions than what we used to, right? And it does, but you'd rather watch them do something screwy like this. I think it comes back to, it asks different questions than what we're used to, right? And it does, but you'd be surprised. If you look at our friends at Data Golf

have a weekly chart, like a radar plot of the importance of the driving distance, driving accuracy, your approach game, your game around the green and your putting, and astonishingly, Chipotle Peck, like matches up extremely close to the averages of all the PGA tour courses. It seems really different,

but it is like driving distance is extremely important at this golf course. I don't really know, in my head, I don't really can't wrap my hand around it, but that's how the numbers weigh out. I'm just saying, as far as, as far as, I mean, it does take some imagination. It does take like, it's not stock shots.

Yeah, as far as pitching out or, you know, on some of like, on some of those par-fives, like, cool, if you go for it, you are, you are really making it to the devil, you know? And it's just add in the, add in the altitude, add in, you know, with the altitude, the lack of, the increased lack of spin.

Right. Like, And you need to curve it of the increased lack of spin. Right. Like, and you need to curve it on some of these holes. That's really hard to curve it. It's, I think it's, it's just amazing though, how hard it is for these guys to hit greens when they're firm and an altitude. I feel like this is like the chipping invitation. It's just like a chip off. The whole thing is just to the broadcast.

Six different seven broadcasts. Like guys just like three or four feet. Yeah. It's just like a chip off the whole thing is just a big. 60% of the broadcast to air guys just like three or four feet. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. Or in bunkers above the green. Like, fuck yeah shots. So that's the one thing. The bunker shots where like the guys, I saw one from speed.

I saw a couple from Rory where their, their sandwich goes in and it stops. They don't follow through. It's like chop shots, gouging it out. It's, it's crazy. It's, I love it. It's the, the first T announcer just brings a different follow through it. It's like chop shots. Gouging it out. It's crazy. I love it. It's the first T announcer just brings a different energy to it. Sure.

And the excitement there is just a little bit different. And I think it kind of harkens back to some of the stuff we talked about coverage, though, on like NBC just does a better job capturing sound from the gallery and the energy level is just way, way, way higher than a normal week. One of the things that NBC did a great job of it, I'm sure CBS would do something like this too, but the elevation stuff out, that seventh hole is just mind blowing

to see that that plays, it was playing 240 today. So like, okay, it's 240. At elevation, that means it's probably 215. Now it's downhill, which means it's probably 1.95. So all of a sudden, these guys are hitting like six irons from 240 between the shoots trying to shape it around that big tree and like giving you like info like that. I'm like, okay, now I can see. I have so much more appreciation that like they're doing that on literally every shot. And once you figure that stuff out and it's, I think you're giving CVS way too much. Well, I'm, listen. Well, what's weird? We don't need to make that an unnecessary knock.

A point about altitude though is, so if you have a 240 yard shot and let's say it plays 195 or whatever it is, they make it a bit sound like, oh, it's just an eight iron then. It's not for me, lay. It is, but it's, it's, the ball still gotta go 240 yards.

Yeah. So the misses get exponentially, they get exacerbated. It's your normal miss with a 195 yard shot is not the same at altitude. 100%. And that's why I think it was Eric Van Roy and hit it to like eight feet, 10 feet on number seven after they do all this calculus.

Like yeah, that's pretty good there. I'm like, that's fucking great. Man, it's 240 yards. It's all I'm saying is yeah, that's pretty good there. I'm like, that's fucking great. That's man, it's 240 yards. That's all I'm saying is like, it's not necessarily good guys are good guys. Come on. It's not stock through the bag. No, where like they can show their yardages with,

you know, that was a big, that's always a big thing on Twitter. Hey, Rory's stock yardages, stock yardages this week or whatever. And you know, there's different, like it it depends on how you're going to hit a wedge. How far it's going to go. There's a matter of like... But seeing the cream rise at this tournament every year is kind of where I, again, not

to include all of the rollback stuff in the conversation, but where I go with like, hey, the best pleasure is still going to be the best. We're just going to see a much more interesting style of golf if everything gets rolled back. Cause these guys are the best at figuring out all the shit, all these elements. They're not, there is an element of roboticness that comes with bombing it and hitting wedges on,

but there's also an element of figuring out distance control and all these things. And I forget somebody on the pod that was a player that is not a top 50 player in the world. I feel like said this and said, look, if you put, like, Hickory Shaff's, like, Kepp is gonna be the best player in the world

and Roy is gonna be the second, or they're all gonna be right there. And I don't know. I just feel like watching this is watching the best players screw around and dink it around and try to do weird things for four days and it's way more entertaining then watching the WGC at Memphis. I think Memphis is a punching bag, but I'm sorry. It's making them think is a good thing. Yes. Because the, because the best players typically

are good at thinking. Yeah, why they're good. Yeah, shout out to Bryson. Uh-huh. Anything else we need to cover from from Mexico? Uh, Rory. Yeah. Oh. Just, just another guy. I like Rory. That's not fair. But I think my big takeaway is like, the word that came to me is like the cachet, right? Does he intimidate anybody? Does his presence, you know, cause anybody to, you know, get a little tight? Like, I just feel like he, he doesn't affect.

Does anyone's, I would throw that out there. Does anyone's presence? The cat. you know, get a little tight. Like I just feel like he doesn't affect the players. I would throw that out there. Does anyone's presence? The cat. The cat. I think Capca's was going there for a little bit. In majors. Yeah, certainly.

That's only because we didn't really see it anywhere else. But he didn't really like show up anywhere else. Well, when he went and had to head with Rory at the Torch Amhert Chip with 15 million bucks on the line, like, Rory backed, kept it down. That's true. So we're talking about Rory. We're talking about Rory.

Not a lot of other guys have how many majors he has. Is it five? Four. They both have four. Four. So yeah, it's just startling. Like it's just, I don't know. Like I said, I like Rory.

I'm not trying to pile on him necessarily. But you watch that whole day. That's why I'm saying like he's dead, but I'm not, you know, you don't speak ill of the dead. Exactly. I'm not, I'm not piling on his grief. Yeah. It's just that's not his grief.

It's disconcerting watching a final round where it's like, yeah, he's just kind of out there doing his thing. I don't know. So Roy's played six PGA tour events so far this season. This is going to be a detonation of Randy. No, no, just what do you think his worst finishes? Which is like eight, maybe like seven, there it was, it was today, fifth. But that's what I'm like, he's to read. But what's he doing?

What's he doing? I mean, one of the WGC HSBC champion, the last WGC, he won that. He finished fourth and sorry, that was Dubai. So I counted it. Yeah. Rady, I think what he's doing is like, is prepping for major SCNs. I was going to say this is actually working out decently for him. It's been six years or I'd rather him not be winning now.

Yeah. I hope he doesn't win the players again, because that's just going to, would you be, you'd be rooting for him if he was in like the final group at a guest or a, absolutely. I wish no ill will. Yeah. I hope he doesn't win the players again because that's just going to. Would you be, you'd be rooting for him if he was in like the final group at a guest or a guy? Absolutely. I wish. No, he'll will. I think he's you just want to know. phenomenally interesting. I think he's great for the game of golf. I think, um, yeah, I just think his his games in a rut right now. I'll ask you this. This phenomenal run. Well, that's phenomenal. He's been on, is it inspiring golf? Like you know when you see inspiring golf, you know when you see exceptional golf. And it feels like he has totally raised his floor is what I would say.

I would agree with you. I don't think he's, I don't think he's scratched his ceiling. I think he's just like, I'm going, I'm going to, he's got what Tiger has always sought, which is that can get misconstrued a lot of different ways. But Tiger always wanted to be in contention with less than his A game. That was something that he went to Hank Haney with. I would say that Tiger, obviously, Tiger's had way more success than Rory. That's that.

I'm just saying. I was afraid you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, would go like eighth, 12th, second, third, and you're like, God, like, what's wrong with Tiger, man? Like what? It does have whiffs. Tiger was more multi-difficed. No, it's not fair, but that's the curve that the truly exceptional and truly world class should be graded on, because then it's like, he's a great golfer. Sure. But he's won one of his last six PGA tour starts. And if you win one out of six tournaments, you are, that's really the whole fans before you turn to 30.

I will say Tiger was more multi-dimensional. Oh, for, oh yes. You could take the, I think that's, that's the thing with Rory is he's still doing it on the, on the basis of driving an exceptional role. Yes. And Tiger was, yes. Whereas extremely, you could make Tiger hit much better.

Three iron off every key and and You know, like still figure out a way to do it to probably win. Yeah. Did you have any JT takes you want to get off your chest? DC before me move on to Puerto Rico Not a not a killer is he a killer or a dog have we decided killer or dog? You know the last couple of time like Randy said on equivocally that that He's neither. It was neither. Now, you guys think he's a dog, so that's fine.

He's no, I said, I go awesome, a killer at one point, but then he keeps kind of kicking his way. I asked Sully today, I said, I'm not sure he's a dog. He's at minimum a dog. I won't accept that. I think he's got dog tendencies, but. Keeps kicking this away. Like, he literally won the last one that he was in contention at.

I just remember God he got. He won the center. No down by Cam Smith, down under. I go back to the 28th. I think your guys' memory is a bit selective on some of this. I go back to the 2018 Finch brochure. I was about to say like, yeah, I don't know, man. He kicked away a century, kicked away today.

I've got to know, I guess he won away century, kicked away today. I got it. I guess he wanted to. He wants to enter. He did try to kick it away. Exactly. So all of a sudden the hero, the world challenge counts. Oh, no. 2018 French Open, Norton beat his ass.

Okay. What about the 12 wins? What about the 12 wins? Like, what would you do about that? Norton kicked his ass. What about the two wins this season? The century was tough. That was an absolute crowning.

I don't even think he should have accepted the trophy. He got tested on. Yeah, please. It brings me no pleasure to do this, but please put it on hold until next year to we have a more deserving champion. Exactly. To be fair though, today he shot 75 today. Oh, it was bad today.

He didn't have it. Yeah, he just didn't have it. Yeah, he's going to be about 70 days. You could say that. We're in the spirit of exaggerating things here today. I mean, the guy shot 85.

Is Victor Hovlin, SCN? It is official. Racking up yet another win for team Sully in the Fred X Cup. Very cool. Hey, shout out to Neil on that one. Neil, that was an awesome trade, man. Yeah, and Neil's still fifth in the Fred X.

I bet you're super glad you don't have the Hovelin that you're team. And Neil's defense, Hovelin is like the fifth best player on my team so far this year. Well, yeah, we'll count them all up at the end of the year. Sure. How about now that he gets in the players? How about now that he gets in the,

you know, is he gonna get into the match play? He's probably close to getting in the match play. He's probably getting in Memphis like sick, Neil. That was sick, man. I think that's Zangay. There's a guaranteed what, like, of just free crack giveaway money. There's, you know, I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. $2000. Solly's entire team's built on this Lotto Griffin foundation. Being really good golfer. She has the goal of this thing, I think.

If the ball gets rolled back, Lotto, they should automatically take his draft based on the ball getting rolled back this year. I thought I had got some sources that don't be this year. I'd like to give a shout out to Sky Shaffler. Unlike Hovelin was in the WGC field this week. Matthew Nasemith was T6 in Puerto Rico. He just wasn't our week, but he was right there. We're firmly in second place.

We're on to Cincinnati. Okay, seriously. Congratulations. Maybe my favorite stat I've seen in quite some time, the curse of the Puerto Rico open. Oh, this is wild. Nobody who has won the Puerto Rico open has gone on to win a tournament after winning the Puerto Rico Open. This is wild. Nobody who has won the Puerto Rico Open has gone on to win a tournament

after winning the Puerto Rico Open. Except, except Michael Bradley who won another Puerto Rico Open. Well, that's the only one. Nobody's never won a different tournament. You can't, it's the hotel California man. Check out any time you want. So I'm quite concerned for Mr. Hovelin.

I think it was a horrible career choice for me choice. I didn't even think about that. I wonder if he probably do you want to learn mainstream media for I didn't even ask about that. Would you like to wager on that that they won't win another tournament? Ever. Ever. I think that's what you said the other week. That's kind of the easy side to be on right? Exactly. That's right. Who will win first? Fina or Hovlin? Oh, that's a great. We should propose that to DraftKings.

That's a great question. There you go. That's a really good one. I am in on that. I think it'll be Fina, but I mean, if it's skipping this week, a lot of people are skipping this week. How am I winning the NoSkip in John D. The WGC?

Oh yeah, a lot of people do that too. Crazy. There's a lot of weird stuff going on. I don't go on back to JT. My biggest takeaway was, now I have, there were some, I had some issues last year with that stretch of Phoenix and LA where he crowned Rick on Sunday in Phoenix. Oh, and then JB Holmes backed his ass down. What happened here? A Riviera. Oh, yeah. That was tough to again. I would have to call this selective memory. And again, except for close calls in front of

and Cam Smith down. I would I if you want me to help you, your Honda kind of backed of down your. You're getting the bunker guy. I think that went the other way of that. Maybe I Thought if you want some free evidence you could you could look at his his wins his resume of wins And we were looking at this a little earlier. I think eight of the 12 are no cut events This was a no that's a pretty much what he was gonna win now. I can do your job for you if you want Tough soon. All right. We're ready to talk. He's down on the border.

He go open though. Josh Teeter had quite the interview after the round. I don't know if you guys caught a clip of that. I didn't see that. No, I missed it. It was just like, just he was just like near tears of having, you know, he's almost, I think he's 40 or almost 40. Had a chance to win on.

I mean, so the winning these small, small opposite field events is such a big deal. Like you get, you don't get in the masters, but you get all of the benefits of winning on the PGA tour, except for it's not as big of a paycheck as not as many FedEx cup points, of course, shout out to Costas on that. But it is a big deal. And he had a chance to lock up two extra years of employment. And and Hoffman just made a long putt on the 18th green to beat them. But Hoffman's, Hoffman's so easy to root for man. I feel like people haven't really

figured that out yet. After they've seen him much, just like I suck at chipping. I suck at chipping. I got so exposed out there. I need to work on that and I've been working hard though. That's true. Which they nailed that too. He's getting ready to hit a chip on the 11th hole. And I forget the broadcasters were there like, yeah, he's 230th and strokes gained around the green. And he was it was Randy's boy Terry again. Yeah, he hit the divot further than the ball on this. It was it was a tough scene. So he's got to get better at. I was blown away. He doesn't. He's green. So we're on a throw the couple of other guys and they're like, dude, that's not a triple hole. No,. Like how the fuck did he triple that hole?

But he is a PGA tour winner. So again, again, they're always gonna get lumped together, Maracawa, Wolf and Hofflin, but now the fact that they've all won within a year of being on tour without ever having to go to Q school. It's unbelievable. It's so hard to do.

They were fighting for status not even a year ago. And now that all is changed. Yeah, but that's a little a year ago. And now that that's a little bit, I don't know, that's a little bit disingenuous. The whole key school thing because the corn fairy tore. Yeah, but it's not like they don't he got he earned corn fairy final status through the sponsor exemptions. Like he got his status through sponsor exemptions. For sure, but like like, uh, well Gordon is probably going to like, I think he's gotten his. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close.

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It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to be close. It's going to get seven sponsors, exemptions, that's hard to get 120. You see, you have seven exemptions to get as many points as the 125th player on the FedEx Cup got in the year before. It's basically a full season. You got seven stars to get like, hey, get it. Get it. Get it. Earn your card. Yeah, you got to think 125 guy probably played 27 events. Yes. Earn your card in one fourth of the events. And they all the more cow and wolf one. So they bypass all that. But then Haven was between one twenty six and 100 is too busy winning,

which got him into the finals. So so that's why I'm saying is is you know, the inside the one twenty five is exceptionally impressive. What I'm saying is the one twenty five to two hundred. Yeah. That's essentially like going to Q school, going to Cornfairy Finals. Cornfairy status through the getting those points. Like if you had, so it's not even, it's not like Q school with those guys is.

But that's essentially like, you know, playing, playing your seven exemptions on tours, essentially going to Q school for those guys and then it gets them into Cornfairy and then they win in the finals. Well, if you get, but if you're into Corn Fairy Finals, you already got a Corn Fairy Caravan next year. The Q school is, you don't have to status anywhere. If you go to Q school, like Corn Fairy Q school. No, I know, I'm saying. Maybe we can take this off of one.

Okay. I'm just saying that. Why do you hate Scotty Shuffling? Because of you. I was gonna say, get to the brass tag. We'll go back to JT four years ago. I just looked up the 2016 hero guy sucked. You guys ready to talk costus? Sure.

I do want to give a shout out to Jay McCluen. Tracked his career for a long time. He's part of the test or oral or test or oral. The cabal of people snatching up sponsor exemptions. Yeah, the purchase sponsor exemptions. And it's on, and I don't think he hasn't hit a whole lot of, I've never really understood the whole financial structure of that. Like, man, how is this profitable? So to be clear, this is like a lot of struggling tournaments, not even struggling tournaments, just kind of mid-sized tournaments.

A lot of corn-fair events they'll sell their sponsors exemptions. They'll have unrestricted sponsor exemptions and they'll sell them to the highest bidder, basically. So this guy always pops up in those. Yeah. And he made a cut this week. He finished almost that last, which I'm sure that check from Puerto Rico is like, eat grand or something, but probably not even, but it was just kind of age-rarring to see him make a cut. And then, yeah, I just got to thinking, I'm like, eat grand or something, but probably not even, but it was just

kind of age-ruring to see him make a cut. And then, yeah, I just got to thinking, I'm like, man, how is this a profitable business for whoever's staking him? Yeah, that's, I don't think it is. Even if you're taking 50% of his cut. I was going to say, I think there's, I'm not saying it's those guys specifically, but there's there's a deep dark wormhole to be, to go to a rabbit hole, I should say, to go down there on the, kind of lone shark vibe that some of these things have, because it's moochot knock it. Anyways, sorry. Oh, anyways, so hopefully, I assume if you are listening to this podcast,

you listen to the Peter Coss's podcast from this past week, which almost everyone seemed to have listened to that one. That was probably our top three downloaded podcasts in our history. It was the most we've ever gotten a week. I've never seen a podcast of ours get that much run. And it just goes to show, I think, when people are going to be real, how much that resonates with people. And it's, I think it's reflective of conversations we've had over the past four years in a lot of different ways, all in one place

and all on the record and not coming from us. And I think that meant a lot for people to hear. And to be clear, I think the read stuff was just kind of an added bonus. Like, we're not even talking about the read stuff. I'm not talking read stuff right now. I didn't know that was going to come. That was when that happened, I was my jaw dropped

when he claimed that read had improved his life four times. I'm like, okay, well, I already thought this thing was gonna go kinda nuts with what he was already saying. And then that was like, okay, this is gonna go into the intro. And then having the YouTube video to back it up. I remember tweeting that when all the shit went down in the Bahamas, my dad even reached out.

And he's like, like, Todd, I listen to your podcast. We can like, well, thanks dad. So when you listen to it every week. He was like, man, like a lot of my friends have been reaching out to like, you know, 60, 65 year old guys and they're like, man, like you, you guys captured the, and you specifically saw, like you captured, because I wasn't on the podcast. That's what we're like, great job interviewing. We're like, it didn't feel like, hey, you, you let him to say stuff that was, you weren't leading him to a conclusion

or you weren't forcing him to say certain stuff. It was like, hey, man, four years. And then basically what he and his friends had, you captured the way we feel after every time we watch golf on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, especially when CBS is doing the cut-rich. Yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know what about it on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, especially when CBS is doing the cut-rich. Yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know what about it, was the most shocking to you guys,

I know the getting pulled off of interviews because he wasn't citing the 500 FedEx Cup points, was interesting to get on the record. We hear about things like that happening, but I was surprised that I guess that he said that or that he admitted, he did it again, just to spite people, which is kind of like Well, yeah, that probably might have been why you got pulled off of interviews

What up, but I I you know, I'd been in contact with Peter for Four months probably leading up to it basically begging him ran with pga show. I'm like, hey, we really want to have you on And he just is like I need time. I just need time And I kind of I it's suspected that was to lead to not wanting to do it or, you know, just decided not to do it. I have nothing to gain from this. But really, it was a calculated move for him to be like, I want to control over what I'm going to say.

I don't want anything to be too reactionary. And it played very well shortly after a week when I think we can all agree the CBS coverage was a disaster every year. So I ran a quick poll today on Twitter and just to say, hey, I'm gonna let the people give feedback. There's about 300 responses to it. The tour is welcome to read those. NBC is welcome to read them. CBS is welcome to read them.

Just feedback, man. Just feedback on what they think of the television coverage in which network they preferred to watch. It ran 88% to NBC, 12% to CBS. How many votes? And last thing for things for $5,000, over 5,000 votes, which maybe if you love CBS, you've unfollowed us. I was gonna say, that's a pretty targeted audience.

But yeah. I don't know how you can watch the, I got watching this past week. It is not flawless on NBC. There are issues. There are some of the issues we have with CBS or prevalent on NBC as well, but it's not even in the same stratosphere of coverage. And I suspected that and I felt that this way.

You're talking to two co-cats. Yeah. Me and Tron of the Coke brothers love love Gary Coke. And we were saying Randy's kind of like the weird third Coke brother that the like art collector one. I'll take it. What did you think of the telecast this week? You were locked in. Yeah, I honestly, I was locked in today. I didn't watch a ton yesterday.

I took a big nap around the turn today. It was delightful. Sure. It just feels there's more action. It just feels like there's more going on with NBC. It's easier to watch, you feel more involved in the actual tournament going on. It's better.

You feel like they understand they have a burden to show you a lot of what's going on in the tournament rather than like, hey, hey, we're gonna show you what we're gonna show you, and you're gonna like it either way. There's context. Yeah. I think there's split screens and stuff. That doesn't seem like an active thing

that they were trying to do a lot of. I'm kinda out of the split screens, but that's, we don't have to, we don't have to. DJ, do you point earlier that? You lay for that. There's a lot more crowd, a lot more audio. Just like all the mics seem to be turned up. There's a lot more camera angles that show,

the crowd show, the galleries. You's a lot more camera angles that show, the crowd show, the galleries. There's just more texture there, right? It's just like, I don't know anybody on either production side. Like I have no personal favorites, I have no personal like vendetta's, but it just seems like NBC's like trying to teach you something

and trying to like set up drama. So trying to just like make you, you know, like reward you for watching and it just really feels like CBS is going through the motions. And I know that's not fair to like a lot of very talented people at CBS and a lot of like very great camera operators and graphics people and like all those people I know do work so hard and do a great job.

But like it just feels like, it just feels like they're just going through the motions every week and that makes you fucking tune out. And NBC makes you want to stick with them and listen to what they have to say. And I think the talent's a lot better on NBC too. I think the way they interact with each other is a lot more interesting and I think CBS tries to make it, this is the point we've made a thousand times. But I think everybody, NBC tries to say, like, here is, you've tuned into watch golf. Here's golf.

And CBS says, you've tuned into watch golf. Here's golf on CBS. And when you do that, you better have really interesting people to carry it. And they just don't, so it just makes you check out. Yeah. And I want to steer this back towards causes a bit just because he was what he kind of was the interesting person. That's what I agree.

But I'm saying he was hesitant with understanding to flame CBS too hard. I think he has with good reason, I think, upset about not returning to CBS and some of that relationships with some of the higher up brass. But from a production standpoint, he didn't go very hard on CBS production, which I understand that he's worked with them for however many years,

and lobbed a lot of the criticism at the tour for different reasons. And it's things that we've cited, you know, forcing narratives that nobody really actually cares about and stuff like that. Did you, what did I guess, what did you guys think of that criticism or that kind of pent up energy towards, like the towards holding back CBS and the networks? I think, well, first of all, going back to learning something, I learned a lot about Mexico this week.

Sure. Thanks to group of Salinas. All those Dan Hicks little. All those initiatives that they've got going on here. Here's the statue downtown. Shout out to Geronimo and all the boys. Yeah, how about Geronimo? We don't have to do the Geronimo thing. Crisis actor, potentially.

So even talking to tour people, just way, way, way off the record, they seem to be convinced that Lance Barrow, this CBS stuff starts and ends with Lance Barrow to a certain extent where it's like, yo, he's the problem. I know we're talking about golf, but I think, I think NBC sports just presents sports much better than anything I ever see on CBS sports. So I think that's some of it, too. Like, I think NBC just institutionally does a better job.

Like Sunday night football. Sunday night football, the English Premier League, the Tour de France, like they have. Hockey. Event after event. Yeah, events that frankly, I don't care about, but I'm drawn to watch them because it's such a good presentation, Formula One.

Doc Emmerick stuff, like on, yeah. And I think, you know, why wouldn't golf be the same way, right? Like there's, there's a certain pride there. CBS has Romo with the, or they, they do, they have had Romo in the past football. That makes difference. That's a perfect example of CBS. They, how long did they hang on to Phil Sims? Yeah. In the booth with Nancy. How many wasted years were there with Phil Sims before they brought Romo in? So back to your point, because I was

going to answer it about the tour. And I think that that's my biggest takeaway from, you know, you asked earlier, like, what's your biggest takeaway from the cost is podcast, and for me it was that, which is every podcast, I think, like, to a tee that we've ever done. There's gonna be somebody in the mentions,

or DMs, or emails, or whatever, that's like, you know, you guys were so far off on this or I hated this, I disagree with this. The fact that this got so many more downloads than everything else and I didn't like see or hear one of those people is like, let's say hypothetically, we haven't really talked to anybody at the tour, but let's say they heard everything

he said and we're like, that guy's full of shit. It's some level,, it doesn't really matter because everybody, like what he said resonated with almost everybody. And it's like, man, if that's the case, then it kinda doesn't even matter if it's like who's fault it is or what's going on. It's just that, there's a problem here

that it needs to be fixed. And hopefully that's the takeaway. And it's not like, well, I'm gonna nitpick, he was wrong about this one specific thing. It's like, no, that is not the takeaway. The takeaway is like there's a holistic, systemic problem. Broking problem here.

And this is where, let's, I wanna separate this out, right? Because there is criticism to be lobbed at the PGA tour and criticism to be lobbed at. IGA tour and criticism to be lobbed at. I'm just gonna group the networks together. Right, the groupos. So I will say, I've said this in the past, and the more we've learned about this,

that more of the blame goes towards the tour on the structure of things than we've led on. And the most. By that is like must see moments by mere metric and FedEx file and A.R.S. board. 18-minutes.

Well, that's I think a commercial. 18 minutes of commercials per hour, FedEx cup summaries, all of the stuff that it's just like, God, you've put these networks behind the A.R.S. ball. Now I will say, from that,

NBC does an unbelievably better job of handling it. I think NBC does it as good of a realistic job. It's not perfect. Nothing's ever perfect, but I don't need anything more than what they give. Now, I will say with the shitty deck that, shitty hand that CBS has been dealt, they also suck with it. Is that fair?

We were talking about it earlier today. It's a drive that, like, it starts right and it's going right. Go way right. Go way right. If it was NBC doing it every week, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No. Agreed.

It takes two to 10, go. I think it would be very simple and that like, whoa, there's still like a lot of commercials, man. Like I could, I could do it with a lot less commercials. But I feel like they get in and out of the fluff a lot better. They show way more action when they can. And I just, I like the way they set up drama better and they just seem to give a shit about the fan.

But the connectivity between golf channel and NBC is very real. Yeah. Like, there's no coverage gap. There's not a switch over a package. There's not a change in pace or flow when it goes from golf channel to NBC because it's the same network. I think it's worth mentioning or at least acknowledging a couple things on the tour side too, which is one,

like should all of those things have been included in that deal in these TV deals and all that stuff? Like no, because it's a fucking disaster and it makes me hate golf. But I wonder how much of that is left over or residual from really long TV deals. Talking to just a couple of people over there, you get the sense that some of this was written in or some of this

was inherited or some of this were changing slowly. You can only do so much inside of a deal that's been in place for 10 years. I think that's a, like a big lesson to take, you know, for the next TV deal, not that, you know, we're big, you know, contract writers here. But like, that's one thing to learn is like, man, getting set in stone for 10 years on like this stupid, unproven shit is not a good way to go. And from what I've heard specifically, the year eight of the new TV deal is going to look different than year one. They have built in possibilities for like, honest, I don't know what year. I have no idea. It might be year three, it might be year seven,

it might be year 10 of the next deal, but there's going to be algorithms that are reading. And if you can say, like I've got every, I've got every shot of every player going. So and I want to watch DJ, Ram, JT, Tiger and Rory. And you can pick those players and it's going to create a feed for you when they're about to start their shot. It's going to send it over to Tiger and then over to ROM and all this stuff that on all these platforms that's like all over the top on top of what is, you know, made on television and stuff. So like the possibilities, I don't know when they're going to get there. I don't know if it's going to be every event. I don't know what events.

We're gonna get a taste of that for the players this year where every shot is gonna be captured and online somewhere. And it hopefully will be a future and look at how. And there's a reason why we're spending so much time on this now and having the past is like, this is the time when it's gonna be changed. And if you guys like watching golf on TV currently, I don't know how you do. But if you care about it, this is the time to voice your feedback to these networks. when it's gonna be changed. If you guys like watching golf on TV currently, I don't know how you do,

but if you care about it, this is the time to voice your feedback to these networks. That's what announced it in two or three weeks, the players, right? And in all that, allegedly. Well, people have said, oh, it's just interns moderating the social media.

Go back and listen to Peter Koss's podcast, okay? We've known this for a while. They're literally reading social media while they're on the air. This is a real thing. So I know it's a coverage take and you guys have gotten sick of, a lot of people have gotten sick of them,

but there is a reason behind it. Well, I think the biggest thing that gets me is that it's just not adding up for me. And I know it may be cleaner and all this, but all right, if ratings are going down, like the, for instance, Genesis, I think the ratings were down to full point. Here we are, and the tiger was in the mix last year on Sunday, I think their ratings were down at full point. Here we go.

And a tiger was in the mix last year on Sunday. But if ratings are going down at that steady of a clip, and the TV deal is going from, just the linear, you know, main TV deal, not the digital rights, is going from 400 to 700 million. As reported a couple months ago. Yeah. How does that add up? How does, if CBS has basically been crying poor,

saying, hey, this thing's worth way less than what we're paying for. We have to sell all these ads against it because of ratings suck and all that. Then how do you justify paying 60% more for it? 70% more for it? Yeah, I don't see how, I don't know, it would take some serious creativity in order to squeeze that much more blood out of the stone while not making literally the entire thing

commercials. Yeah, it's pretty close to right now. Well, so that would be kind of sick. I've heard of making commercial. I've heard some things as to how that's going to work. And basically with more networks being involved yet. So let's say potentially CBS is an NBC or whatever, as it has been reported, that's who's going to be the television providers in the next deal.

That if CBS is running production for the tournament, there's also ESPN Plus, or whoever's rumored to be involved in all the digital streaming, is going to have access, and potentially I don't know, I don't get confirmed this, but paying a fee to CBS for access to their production that they're running. And that is where the streams over the top are going to be coming from. So part of the burden that comes with being a rights holder in the next deal is you are handling the production for this tournament. You got to get 30 due cameras out there. You got to get this whole, you got to get it all. Like that is contingent on

this deal. And you're getting, I don't know if you're getting some of that money back, or if that's just like a prerequisite in this new deal, like, no, no, no, this is what you're bringing. CBS, if you want to golf, this is what you're contractually, you have to do. But to me, that's where some of the, this is what you're contractually, you have to do. But to me, that's where some of the numbers don't add up either, where, you know, whether it's ESPN plus who's been rumored to be taken on a lot of the third. So the 400 to 700 is the total revenue for the PGA tour.

Okay. Including digital, because I heard digital was a whole separate. I don't know. My understanding was digital was a whole whole thing. Okay. So the biggest thing is, all right, like, you know, let's say ESPN plus is paying however much. The views

that we're seeing on like when when the tour puts PJ to rely up on Twitter, for instance, for views, like this week on Friday, they got like 8,000 views, even including replays, like eight hours later. Well, so here's a good one for you. I was thinking about this. Those numbers don't add up. I said this through earlier.

There's other places you can access PGA tour live, but yes. So that's not like NBC sports gold counted in the Twitter number. No, I know, but I'm saying, hey, we're giving this to you. For free. We have 2.1 million followers on the PGA tour Twitter account for reference. When we put up a live from the kill house to our followers, we get at least like counting replays.

We're the needle. Tron's the needle. 15,000. You have probably 15 to 20,000 including replays. Like that's literally, it's almost impossible. You're saying there might be some fake numbers on social media from some legacy. One of the things that blew me away was something I sent, I think you earlier saw the Sony numbers.

I was just digging around through some of the ratings numbers and stuff and the, so Sony obviously a late, you know, late broadcast, but like prime time on a Sunday, it was up against an NFL football game. So of course, that is like the, you know, playoff game. A playoff game. They started the NFL games three hours earlier this year versus last year. Correct.

That's the big thing. Correct. So it was, you know, that's a massive draw, but to me, that's almost like, okay, so now the people who are watching golf are the hardcore golf fans, right? There were like 220,000 people that watched that final round on golf channel, I think was the reported number. Like a normal CBS Sunday is like 2.7 million,

something like that, less than a tenth of what you get on like a Sunday afternoon. And to me, that says a lot of things. Obviously, a people love football, but be like, man, the network effect is so fucking real. Yeah. When you have an eight, like an old demographic who's watching your product, like, I don't think nobody would be spoon feeding it. Nobody would argue that like, it's a very old demo, trying to get increasingly younger. But yeah, all of where I'm going with this is like,

yeah, I put it on like a bunch of platforms if you want, but man, I'm very dubious that people are gonna be like, oh great, yeah, I can't wait to fire up my app and download, like yeah, we have, I think our audience would be down with that, but like our audience and the grand scheme of things is not that big. Yeah.

Definitely not big enough to justify numbers like we're throwing out here. There's a bunch still to be worked out. I'm happy that this interview happened and that people are taking this a little bit more seriously now. I feel like people need to hear it not from us because we've been talking about it for so long. But the first hand stories of the other, I think a lot of people would debate, at least on the tour side, the whole, yeah, the tour doesn't give a shit about a rats ass. I believe it was the phrase about the telecast.

I'm sure they would debate that, but that's where people feel. That's how we feel. That's how a lot of people feel and it's time that gets addressed. How about Peter Costas working for them for nearly 30 years? Unbelievable. And he gets a one minute phone call. Send me a John Deere letter. I mean, tough scene.

Shit, man. And then, and then, them saying to them, hey man, we need to get fresh, we need to get younger, cool, we're gonna bring in Davis love at Thursdays. That's where I didn't want to put them in two tough of a spot of like, I mean, Davis love's not very good, right?

And, but he didn't date in bite. But that's not on Davis. That, I phrased that as like, yeah, it's not on Davis. It's like, it'd be one thing if they had a plan there, you know, if they had like bite, but that's not on Davis. I phrased that as like, yeah, it's not on Davis. It's like, it'd be one thing if they had a plan there. You know, if they had like an incumbent or somebody ready to like knock him out, you know. If the Davis, Davis had never really been done TV. Like there, there's no practice there.

There's no, I bet that would, anything more to add on this front before we move on. Big guy got anything else. No, my eyes are starting to glaze with other TV deals stuff. I would say to just from the perspective of, it's not just the way that it's covered on TV. It's the way that the tours, Twitter account and the tours social media, like.

I would argue the tours social media has improved. They may be coming, the machine may be coming self-aware. Shout out to Andrew Yang. But it's always interesting during the WGC's when EuroTor has access to all that footage and they're covering the same stuff. I go to the EuroTor feed and the pressure.

And everything is golf centric. And everything on the PGA Tour feed is like, they're trying to trick this larger audience into watching golf. And then if by chance they do tune in on a Saturday or Sunday and see the telecast, like, what the fuck would you ever watch golf again? Well, I don't think, I don't know that we ever

have so true. I don't know that we ever like preface all the coverage stuff with this. And this is kind of leading into the next point. But like the coverage is the pipeline, right? Like that's the lifeblood of the entire, that's the whole thing. Definitely, I'm not saying the whole sport, but the whole professional sport that's the lifeblood of the entire, that's the whole thing. Definitely, I'm not saying the whole sport,

but the whole professional sport, like the lifeblood of everything. Why is this a so important exactly? It is the product. Yeah, and so I think that's, I think the last thing we had on our agenda here was PGL, premier, premier Goff League stuff, and I think the telecast stuff kind of

kind of leads right into that, because I think a lot of it is kind of, you know, all these ideas are, you know, kicking the tires, kicking the lot of it is kind of, you know, all these ideas are, you know, kicking the tires, kicking the tires for how to spice up, you know, professional golf, and I think at least some have found that the answer is the Premier Golf League. Andy Gardner was the apparently the man behind the Premier Golf League, made an appearance on the Rik Shiel's podcast, answered a lot of questions about everything that was going on and what the league

is and what a lot of the considerations are. I thought the podcast was a very interesting lesson. I would suggest people go seek it out and find it and listen to it. My overall reaction was less enthused about it, I think, because he's pretty modest about a lot of it and that you got to understand this is an idea. This is not a league yet. This is an idea for a league, and it is also so contingent on the players and the commitments

and what they want and what I guess kind of what viewers want, and that it's not that I walked away thinking it's not that close to happening. I don't know what you got. Drawing a new listen, I walked away thinking it's not that close to happening. I don't know about you guys. Drawing a new listen, I don't think. What is homeboy from Radio Core? I was just about to, what's the most dangerous thing in the world?

I was gonna interject and I didn't, I didn't want to interrupt you, Solid. What is it? Yeah. Ideas, the most powerful weapon in the world. So I'd say they're doing pretty well if I'd tell they had. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, that's funny.

Yeah. Before we get to the meat of it, I'd never listen to Rick Sheel's podcast before. It was a little bit like Russell Brand's character in what do you call it? For getting so much. For getting so much. I thought he did a great job. I thought he asked good questions. It took him into minute 75 to get to the Saudi Arabia thing, which I thought was.

Wait for that. Probably a criticism, but, uh, but yeah, it was DJ please do your impression of well, I can't just do it. I come dance for it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dance for it. We'll work it in it.

We'll work it in it. Yeah, he's a big influence. He's a major, major, major influence on me now. Terrible. Uh, I think I'm, I'm not totally taking my cues from Rory, but from a consuming information standpoint, I think I'm leaning towards out on the PGL until we shout out to Rory. It said the tour needed, Desperly needed a big time player to speak out against the league and it finally got it.

I agree with them or disagree with them. In fact, like nobody else has put themselves on. Exactly. Completely. And before we get to the podcast, I think we do need to address the PGL's first tweet. Oh, yeah. That was just tough. Tough scene. Basically, who owns golf?

Nobody owns golf. You own golf, you're the fan. Yeah, which is kind of what we've been saying, but also steering way too directly into what we've been saying. Yeah, talk about the of what we've been saying, but also steering way too directly into what we've been saying. It was, yeah, talk about the machine becoming self-aware. Yeah, that felt like a bot that had almost written that part. I still struggle. I felt better about the team stuff, having listened to it

about, you know, possible trades. And I still just, the questions that didn't get answered were the most frustrating to me of, and maybe I missed it, I was driving, I wasn't paying total attention, of course paying such great attention to the road, but like what happens to the player status? If you go, like you can't talk about that.

That was the big thing I had to do, it was relegation, it was like, all right, cool, like you're getting four or five guys there and they're mid to late 40s. Cool. Like how do they transition out or how does that work with the teams or? Yeah, it's that question. Maybe that is a better question for the tour and not for the PGL, but Jay has been very adamant and saying that you either play our tour, you play another tour.

So again, that's the biggest hurdle, I think of all of this. And that's where I'm getting to exactly where it's like, okay, man, if you don't have, if there's no answers and I'm not saying anyway, I'm not blaming anybody for not having these answers or whatever, but like, we probably don't need to keep pumping this thing full of air. If it's like, there's, there's no new developments, no players are, I did think. No, players are set like it's all, it's, it's all like it's like, it's all like, we're having some fun. It's like the PJ Twins has been fun. It might break up.

It probably won't, I would bet. But that's what I'm saying, it's insane. At the very least, it's gonna force some changes. You would think. Maybe. But not, also like not, but probably not. But probably not, like not if nobody goes down with it. Like what I'm kind of getting at is until something happens,

I don't know really what else there is to say. And they fill came out this week and was like, you know what, I'm joining. I'd be like, oh shit, now we got something to talk about. But until it's just like, people given this dude a mouth, like allowing him to be a mouthpiece for this thing that doesn't exist, I'm like, ah, okay, I don't really know what it,

there's nothing else that I'd like to really say about it. I disagree with that. I'm not. I'm never getting, we're off the West Coast. It's gonna be so boring. But we've already had this discussion, like yeah, team events, like, yeah, cool. I'm down with exploring the concept

in an academic standpoint, but there's nothing else like real to talk about other than Rory. Rory is the only thing that happened. And now that we know, like, every time we got asked something like new, like I read Jeff Shackford did a whole long, like interview with him and I read that all

and like I didn't listen to the podcast so I probably missed out on some stuff there but it almost seemed like every time there was like, it could have been a major, tell me, tell me like, you know, there's been some questions about this, like, please lay this out.

So, it's like, ah, you know, I just can't talk about that. All right, so, Dej, so one of the things he said, all of these tournaments will be in situ, which I thought was a great, great term. Listen, that's a great word, but like, I don't, what does that mean? In the context of the season, so that, you know, the stuff in July will be around,

you know, will be in the British Isles, because that's close to the British Open presented by her majesty, the Queen. So like that's the shit. If they start laying that stuff out like, okay, in June, we're gonna be at Akron. So I'm gonna, so hold on, I think I probably can't do that,

because that's what I'm saying. Because there's nothing there. It's gonna take a lot of cues. The biggest analogy he made was the ATP 1000 series, which we've talked about a little bit, and just to tell you guys what that entails, it's basically eight events a year, which that's always been my big thing,

is the 16 or 18 events. Like that seems really unwieldy. Do 10 or 12, if you're the PGL, and then you get cat attention, and I've heard about some exemptions If you're you know like the legends thing for Phil and Tiger if they don't want to play 18 events But so the ATP 1000 they've got eight events a year Indian Wells, which is California Miami Monicarlo Madrid Rome

Every year they switch between Montreal and Toronto They go to another world city in Cincinnati. Thank you, the real Queen City, I'd like to say. Shanghai and then Paris. And so I think in this case, you know, some of those European events would likely scatter with there'd be one in the Middle East, there'd be one in Australia, and then there would be more in the States. He said they would like to get six permanent tournament sites

so that there's a little bit of cash in, and you know, year over year consistency. The biggest thing that caught my attention was the open transfer market. That's sweet. Yes, I love that. I love like, I don't know, I guess it's just, what is, so you would,

I need something, I need some rubber to hit the road here at some point, because like it's just, and when that happens, I'm so down to talk more about it. Well, I think part of it is, this was the first time this guy's actually spoken publicly. That's what I'm saying. Like, we unveiled like, who is behind this? We're very, very early in the process. Yeah. This, I would say this qualifies as something.

Okay. This is some sort of rubber. I didn't listen to it. But like, think about, all right, Kat's saying, it's basically the FredEx Cup draft, like Kat's saying, you know what man, I'm gonna pay, fill $30 million for the rights to Victor Hobbler. Yeah.

Or, or, or I'm paying Neal 20 bucks for it, then you might get it. So this transfer market was within the PGL, or is it like the soccer transfer market where they can go between leagues, like worldwide? I think it's within the PGL, but I would assume it. So that was another thing that he didn't really lay out how the drafting process would look or any like that. And I think, but interesting, the team concept is one of the things that I was least excited

about at the outset. And now I'm probably the most excited about that because it seems like there's so many variables and there's so many. I just maintain should be all team whoever can figure out team golf. I think yes has a leg up going forward. I agree with that. And that's why I think this whole conversation is interesting. But again, let me quick pause. The only thing that has happened is that you have the most visible player on the PJ tour other than Tiger Woods. I would say, I mean, Phil, I guess, but you have like the star of the PJ tour saying, like, yeah, this is kind of, I'm not in on

this. This is kind of dumb. Like, that's going to carry a lot of weight, I think. And so if you have like, I don't know, I think him saying, I think him saying that like went a long way. I'm not totally agree. I think it took a lot of air out of my a lot of air out of my balloon. And from what we've heard, Tiger, I've got a quote from a player this week that said, there's a zero percent chance Tiger does this. And that's zero. I'm like, I don't know. Like looking around, like, could I see a splinter cell of like Brooks and Phil and Bryson and Pat Reed like going and doing this? Like all rumor names to be involved.

That would be sick if that happens. But then you have, like, do I think, Rory, like if Rory says this, do I think like JT is gonna go do it? No. Do I think Spieth is gonna go do it? No, like, I don't know, man. It's just spitting.

Well, sorry, that's fair, but. That's what I was man. It's just invited. That's sorry. That's fair. Those guys don't want to get this thing in it. I will say like listening to this guy talk because he was basically like all this started as just like an idea on a napkin right and he said you know taking the 30 to 50 to 70 year view which you know I don't know if that's necessarily too long. What mostly got under word. necessarily too long. But you know how things work these days? Some of this stuff, like the tour takes an 18 to 36 month

of you look at, like, all right, cool, how are tour execs bonest? Their bonest based on starts of it, like total starts, total purse and element of their bonus. Yeah. And so that's why the wrap around season exists. That's why we try. We try should that exist. You know, like based on how the schedule is shaking out and and and a lot of the changes that have been made.

Like it's I think I think the tour his great point was if you started golf right now. Yeah. When we said this to like you it wouldn't look like it does currently. Like if you were to start a league now, it wouldn't look like this. Totally. And you look it. All right, so going back to this week, Friday afternoon, you look at WGC Mexico's one of the tour's premiere events, right? I mean, it's a elevated WGC event, worldwide field,

limited field. It's got this level of prestige attached to it, whether that translates to viewers or not is a different question. In the midst of that, instead of the 36 whole lead, a lot of the headlines were about how weak the field is gonna be at Honda this week. And then I'm sure it's gonna be the same thing

at Arnold Palmer Imritational the following week. And then basically, all the new schedule is done, is diminished the importance of anything else except for the majors. And I will say it's, it's probably elevated the players, which, you know, which was a goal. Yeah. I think there's too many good consecutive events. I would consider like most of these events in a row pretty damn good events. They're great events. Yeah. But now it's, I can't, like Phil was going to skip this no matter what because he's just playing the last five. You can't play them all and you got to skip some tough

ass events. And then you get to the summer and it's like so the tour's got 42 or 44 events on the schedule. And there's and and I mean honestly how many of those matter? Yeah, I mean well that's the problem is like you know in terms of the FedEx cup, like all of them matter like equally. And so you have this, this thing I think I sent you earlier where it's like, you're like the 70s like sitcom character trying to like juggle two dates at the same restaurant where you're like trying to keep one happy for a second.

And that was like the Hondas and, you know, Sony's and tournaments like that, you know, Sony's and tournaments like that, you know, five, 10 years ago where it's like, all right, we're going to implement this wrap round season, the FedEx cup. We're going to elevate all these events. We're going to do all these things to like make sure all these, okay, you guys are all taking care of. You all feel good? Okay, cool. Genesis, Bay Hill, like, okay, you guys are not happy. Cool. You're elevated status now. WGCs, all right, you're elevated even more like and it's just whack a mole.

It is. And it's like, man, how can you, like what the fuck are you going to turn around? Okay, Zurich, you guys aren't happy. You're a team event. Okay, over here, you guys aren't happy. Okay, we'll do the, you know, players have to play a tournament once every five years thing. All right, what else?

Who else is pissed off? Like, and I get that that's just like how things work. But like, man, I don't know how many more times, like you said, I don't know how many more times you can kind of whack them all. But yeah. So I think from an economic perspective, his big point was, hey, at the end of the day,

the biggest metric that matters is how many people are watching golf. Yeah, right. And so to me, a lot of, you know, and I'm not saying this out of support, I'm just saying it because I'm intrigued by it, is it seems like this guy's coming at it from the perspective of, hey, if we can get more people to watch golf, like that's going to be like it comes down to the economics, it comes down to

straight money, like more money in the door. And it seems like money over bitches. The tour has has gone the other way and said, you know what? Like we're going to care so much about our sponsors and all this that we're going to we're going to cut off the fans. We're going to bleed out basically. Let me ask all this that we're going to cut off the fans. We're going to bleed out basically. Let me ask you this. Let me channel my associate, my colleague Sway in a yes or no tough questions only. We just absolutely flame throwered anybody who was playing the Saadi event a couple weeks

months ago, whenever that was. This entire thing seems to be propped up by the Saudis and Softbank. Does that matter? Is this apples and oranges? No, I think it does. I think that's why that was the one thing. I was like listening to this whole thing.

If you went out and said, hey, I found other money from somewhere else. From somewhere else, I think it would be a lot more palatable. I totally couldn't agree more. Yeah, it doesn It doesn't. Yeah. It just it still feels kind of gross. I just don't I don't necessarily tune in to watch golf tournaments just to watch the best players in the world. I think there's there's still a bit like WGC's are not the most entertaining. Mexico usually tends to be, but I just think there's more to golf. And maybe

it's because I'm obviously air on the hardcore fan, but I would have loved to have seen Eric Van Ruin win today, because I think that would have been interesting. If you gave me a choice between watching the Puerto Rico open and watching the HSBC, WGC champions, I would choose Puerto Rico 10 times out of 10, for sure. So I agree with you that there's not like we can't just have the same conversation every weekend. I do think there were some developments and it, like, if the tour, like, this should be, this should be the biggest story in golf. There is a chance that the BJ tour basically evaporates, which is,

Oh, I think that's, I don't think it's going away. Like, I think it's not going to be like, well, it would be who's playing the WG if the top to believe who's playing the WGC Mexico? Are you watching it? Is that what we're leading with this maybe? Maybe. That's the new Puerto Rico. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, maybe you'd get some more starts. All those, all those, all the woke golf boys we watch. All those Japan golf tour guys that are on the bottom of the leaderboard still playing that's true. That's true. They might be. But the more I think about it, the more I could see this being, you know, like you said, trying to get a template for someone else to come in and say, like, okay, cool.

This is a really good idea. Now we've got like some much less stigmatized money to put behind it. All right. We're an hour and a half in. Pretty close to rap. Rainy's ready for bed. You're going to love the next segment. You can leave another segment. You can leave if you like. I got to at least, if you don't want to hear about the

gasprile, you are free to sign off. No, I'm sorry. I didn't know that was the next one. I have that on here. I played it. I'm going to take out your fine. You're welcome to use that joke last time. Come on. Come on. Yeah. I played in my first real golf tournament this weekend, the gasprile. I had a real golf red. Wow. You're're gonna throw the FSGA in the sling. I don't mean that. I meant like some real talent. Like some, there's depth of talent, I should say. This is an invitation.

I got invited to play the gasperella at Palmacia Country Club in Tampa. And it was incredibly, incredibly fun and lightning. It was, I got to, I never knew what the cocktail tour looked like. I never knew if it was an official tour. I didn't know what it was. I feel like I kind of got a very good glimpse into it. Played some pretty good golf. I missed the cut by one.

It hurt. It's done pretty bad. I fought my hardest. I'm pretty proud of the way I played. But yeah, it was a fantastic, wonderful, wonderful experience. And I would love to do it again. And I would like to ask you, but yeah, it was, it was a fantastic, wonderful, wonderful experience. And I would love to do it again. And I would like to ask you, you said, you said on the, on the text thread that a guy said to you the night before over cocktails or over beers, it was a wonderful man, wonderful

gentleman. He said, don't break as much as they look out here. And after playing a couple of practice rounds, you, you listened to him. Well, and you took that advice as gospel and you applied that to all your puts and exercises. Well, so the golf course is 6,300 yards. It is in some spots, 12 yard wide fairways. It is a tight little place.

It's a cool, Donald Ross course. And the golf, it's similar to a gusta in the terms of that the golf course is only like the gas burrila during the gas burrila. So the practice round beforehand, you hit there like do not fall in love with the greens, do not fall in love with them. Like don't practice on the putting green tonight

because you are going to see a different golf course tomorrow. And so I practiced on them and I honestly missed every putt in the practice round. This is great. I'm gonna be great for tomorrow. And they cut and roll the greens overnight. And then they cut and roll them in between shotgun starts.

It is. Shout out to Len Matisse. It is, yeah. It is, you know, he was going to think. Baked out like fast green setup that I have not practiced on. I don't know where I could practice that. I've not, can't simulate tournament nerves

standing over a putt on glassy greens. I just, that was my downfall. I had a four putt on Friday that just, I had a five footer from above a hole that I ran 12 feet by. I used, it was like, I'm making this or it's going way past and I missed it. And so yeah, that first day I missed and I'm thinking, I'm sitting over like a six foot birdie putt and I'm like, I don't want to leave the hole with this, thinking that I could putts are not breaking that much.

And I missed like all three of them on the low side, which is not his fault. Of course, I probably pulled the putts more than anything, but I missed so many short putts. I shot 71.79 and I have more regrets about the 71 because the conditions were perfect that day. And the 79 on Friday was just like holding on for two. I mean, Matt Parsiali, who is an unbelievable player, he made the cut of the US open. He shot 78 on Friday, which great player in his own right. Great player in his own right. And so I felt like

not to throw him under the bus for what he shot, but somebody who also shot 65 that day. So obviously it was possible. But that same guy, he turned, I think, on Saturday with a nine-shot lead and shot 47 over on the back, and he won by three. The course had so much bite, it was only a matter of time before this kid just stopped going your way. The conditions were tough. I will... Buzz B was, I didn't realize it,

he's part of the H&B stable. Is he really? He is the top ranked player in the field. And he won. Congratulations to it. Was it there? He's from Louisiana. Yeah. There's two players that finished under par on a 6300 yard par 70 course

with reachable par 5s and some drivable 4s. It's it's an unbelievable tournament and golf course. I thought it sounds like a course I would hate playing. It sounds like a style that I would hate playing. It is so engaging, so fun, and a awesome test. It was very much, when it's that glassy on the greens, it is a test of your golf skill. It's like, hey, can you die a five footer in and I cannot?

I learned that. I, yeah, it's just disappointing to miss the cut because I felt like, I battled so hard on the Friday round. I lipped a birdie on my 16th hole. I birdied my 17th and almost birdied my 18th. I knew I needed to get the plus nine and I almost did it. And especially for somebody who's not a mudder.

I'm not a much more mudder. I played like, so what sucks is I, I four grindy-ass parses to start that day. I mean, it's 50 degrees, 55 degrees, wind blow, and 15-20 cross winds. I pared my first four holes, and I hit the green with two great shots into the 11th, my fifth hole,

and I walked off two over, because I four-putted it, and it was just like, it was just a punch in the stomach. Drove it, you know, 14s, four, 20 dead into the wind, and I drive, just thread the fairway in a divot boom bogey like probably green. Robert it was a next one's a five iron off the tee. I missed the fairway.

I shouldn't have it rolls in the rough in a divot. It's a rubber green. Hidden the bunker. Roll goes on the back slope and I had to of course rub the green chip it into the lower part of the bunker. My putt then the wind blew my putt up a hill which which I played with it. Sean Napp, one of Randy's boys, a former senior, a former senior EM champ. Of course. He was had the same line and he was like, I don't see that break and he was like triggered by that putt. So yeah, it just like it happened

really quick. The the strokes getting away from me. I will say after playing a six hole stretch seven over, I then hop shanked it with a five iron off the 17th tee. It was in it rain down the cart path to 70 yards away. And I made three. It was the greatest three I've ever made. We're all the green. That's the other exactly. Give it the take of the green.

So gosh, it was fun. I was kind of pissed this off because you weren't inputting your scores in golf games. I didn't want to touch my phone. I was so focused. I've never grinded that hard. I've never really had a hard time. Really good conditions were really tough.

But the first day they were not. And we got the better into the draw too. So there's no complaining about the conditions as far as how it compares the rest of the field. Everyone had to deal with it. Good and make me buzz that first day. I think I teed off. I was in like 13th place on Friday when I teed off. Yeah, I'll see my lines on Friday.

Computer. Computer, look. Of course it was tough. And this was really tough. Had a great time. Spent a time with Ryan Whitney down there. He's a great player in his own right. And to bunch the Northeast guys.

And yeah, we just had an awesome time. So I learned a lot. There's a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of really talented amateur players that were like not coming into the event in shape. And they're like, well, I played with wonder. It was six over through five and shout to Park Ulrich. And he bogeyed the last hole to shoot one over because he made seven braids coming in. It's just astonishing.

It really, It really is. So I have a lot more respect for turning my golf after that. You know what? You learn on the edge of uncomfortable. Oh, I was like, it sounds like I can work. Down in Tampa. In Tampa. For a gentle,

I'm self-reput for a long time. I will tell you that big Randy, I was uncomfortable at times. I over standing over putts. And that was my biggest disappointment. It was like, whoa, I've practiced pretty hard for this and I don't feel prepared for these puts. And I don't know what I could have done differently,

but kept telling myself, don't be nervous. I hit it great, honestly, I hit it great for both of the days and just couldn't put it in the hole. So. I showed Freddie, my son, for the listeners, the tournament page, and he said, ah, the pirate team. And he said, yeah. The pirate team.

The pirate team. The pirate guy. No, that's great. You get a member number for the week and you can put whatever you want on your member number and you get to drink and eat. The number of people that showed up for this, they have bleachers, they have electronic scoreboards. And there's like a thousand people out there on Saturday, which I really wanted to play

Saturday just because that atmosphere looks so much fun.'s like a thousand people out there on Saturday, which I really wanted to play Saturday just because like that atmosphere. Sounds like a make-a-wish thing. If I felt like a make-a-wish kid being able to play in that, but didn't embarrass myself, which is step one, I really wish I could have made the cut, but is what it is. Onward. I learned. So why there's the next one? That's why there's the next one. All right. We got Honda this week.

Yeah. We got the Oman open on the European tour. It always looks like that. Sure. We've got the Mexico event on Cornferry. Yeah. LPJ is off. Thank you. They're off for a bit.

Yeah. I can confirm that they're off. Was this supposed to be the Asia swing? Correct. Yeah. Which we haven't talked about, but that should be maybe a good future topic. What's that like? What if the coronavirus starts fucking its head? We talked about a little bit last week.

Yeah, it's not only Olympics, but I would say it's going to affect a lot of it. It's significantly bucking. Yeah. Anyway, now it's getting vertical in Italy and Iran. So it's Korea. Yeah. Turn it to an it's getting vertical in Italy and Iran. So it's Korea. Yeah. Turn it to an end to a deep dive here on the trap draw. This is coming week. So a virus episode. Can I make one point that we put into this? There's five people left at an hour 40 anyway. So the Saudi stuff.

So one of the things that people brought up on Twitter was, Hey, Saudi money is involved in a lot of elements of life. Right. A lot of startups, a lot of like, it's permeated through Silicon Valley. How do you differentiate between, you know, this being funded by Saudi money and every time you fill up your gas tank or every time you, you know, you download an app,

that app is probably, you know, soft bank has its tentacles and do a lot of different stuff. How do you differentiate between those? I don't have the answer. I'm just saying, why do we feel so? You know, I feel like the answer is probably because sports is, sports kind of represents a little bit of who we are.

So I'm asking you guys, what's, you know? I think it's a very interesting point. I think for me, and I think what, you know, the Saudi Arabia Gulf event, it's just so clear cut and like you can draw such a straight clear line between, you know, the thing and, you know, the money behind it. But it's an excellent point.

I think that's one of the hardest things about living in a global society and in a modern age. It's, I don't have an answer for you. I wouldn't have to think on that a lot more. I think the other thing too is the Saudi event, and I'm sure this would be a motivation for the Saudis as well, would be with the PGL, would be, it does normalize them. That's my, that's part of Western society.

That's my thing was going to be like, when I, they're not getting into the app game. I think was going to be like when I they're not getting into the app game because then you're going to change how you feel about Saudi Arabia, whereas this is so like, you know, sports washing, I believe, is the the term of the moment. But yeah, it's so much more obvious like what the the reasons are so much more sinister, you know, then just making money, which is the players players becoming mouthpieces for the golf in the kingdom is kind of where it's like, okay, very clear. I don't know where the line is to your point.

It's Michael Murphy, but I know where on the side of the line that falls for me. So maybe to explain that in a future week. Let's wrap it at that and thank you for tuning in and we'll hopefully be back soon later this week and if not, we'll see you next weekend. Cheers! Dude!

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