No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 285: Honda Classic Recap

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

Sungjae Im wins the Honda, Paul Azinger has some takes on Tommy Fleetwood and the Euro Tour, Mackenzie Hughes makes an incredible run, and a lot more. We also chat about PGA National (35:30), the recent Golf Channel news (49:45), answer some questions from the listeners, and do a fun Ryder Cup segment (1:04:20).  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Battle the most! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast Sunday night here in the Killhouse. Sully here to my left, a fired up, Tron Carter, ready to roll. Let's do this baby.

Across the table Mr. DJ Pie. Hello greetings. It's gotten so much better at introducing ourselves. We're killing it. I never forget now. Well why don't you, what are we drinking tonight? You want to kick us off on this? Sure. Hello greetings. It's gotten so much better at introducing ourselves. We're killing it. I never forget now. Well, why don't you, what are we drinking tonight? You wanna kick us off on the drink?

Sure. Oh, just some delicious home brews. This is actually not a, not a, not a, not a, no, no. Just, you know, we were talking about, it's kind of a running trend. I don't know if that's a growing alcoholism trend or just a running, you know, we're laid back. It's golf season.

Delicious home brew from a, I believe it goes by CBD or antler spray on the refuge though. Thanks, shout shout out to him for I'm gonna take a little sip of this right now I think it's called that what it was that the downtown Something brown Seattle super hot. Yeah, downtown Freddie Brown. I believe Not good. Not gonna lie. We were texting this morning. All right, T.C. What do you do? Oh, you have the same thing? I have the same thing. I if you guys the same thing. If you guys need, if this is really good, there's any sort of head of HR, or a CREDO, there's any sort of drug testing going on.

You may not need to have it after the CV deer antlers. Exactly. We were texting this morning, kind of like, yeah, I don't know about the pod tonight, man. Like, what are we gonna talk about? I mean, the tournament was not exciting until today. I know it was challenging. It was different than the normal PGA Tour event,

but holy shit, that it delivered today. I said it was challenging, it was different than the normal PGA Tour event, but holy shit did it deliver today. I said this on Twitter, but either NBC is better at delivering the, either they get the best tournaments somehow, or they are way, way better at making that seem exciting. The best tournaments, tremendous tournaments. TNT, we know a drama. They know drama.

No, shall it secure a set? Yeah, we don't need to do a bunch of broadcast stuff. No, I don't. I think it's like, think back to all the non-major PJ Tour events that you really are seared into your memory, like how many of them were on NBC. How many of them were on CBS? That's into the prosecution rest. Procution rest.

We're going to talk about polyzinger a little bit. I have a feeling, but that's the end of coverage takes other than that. What do you want to start with Sungjae? You're driving the ship. Can we go with a question? A question. A Hongjae. A Hongjae.

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I was gonna say Sergio Garcia at $50 million. Pretty much even. And that's just his PGA tour earnings. That's not your tour. But that feels low. Oh, right now that feels low. Like I said, we don't know what the future of money. I don't, these things don't count FedEx. Bubble at some point. Well, FedEx money's, I mean, it's if rumor to be $25 million to the winner in the future and he's going to be in like the top 10 of that for a long time. That counts as official money. I don't know. It does not on the on the list. It does. It's just black. So that's the craziest. Yeah. It's wild. It's just the it's petty cash. You would teach us a bubble. So there's something to a player that as far as we're concerned the personality's

not there because we don't hear him speak. Like we don't hear him speak, he speaks through an interpreter. But the fact that he is that entertain to watch play golf without getting to know his personality says a lot for his playing style. I mean, that was those shots coming down the stretch. He was the only one hitting shots directly at every single pin. Maybe not 18.

But bones was losing his mind. It was, it was amazing. It was awesome. The one you know, 16 was like the, out of the bunker was like kind of like a high fan cut, five iron. And he just perfect, perfect weight over the hazard, taking on the pin directly.

I mean, it was on it. Un-fucking believable. It was nuts. I didn't see until the, I just saw the replay just before we started of Mackenzie Hughes did the Pedro Serrano, like the the marbles. He did the GIF like after some J shot into 17 for that line that he took and they're going head to head.

How great was that showed unreal, man. So good from Mackenzie Hughes too. I know he's a friend of the pod, one of our you know, one of our guys we always read for, but cool, you know, he's had a rough six, eight months here, so I could just see him find some form. May be cut on the number and almost one of the all 3666 on the weekend. So does the PGA like the PGA Tour literally cut the number of players that make the cut from 70 to 65. Yeah, in part because yeah, the guy still makes it on the number. Imagine, I mean, I don't know, it's probably a good thing. Yeah, but like the guy still makes it on the number. Imagine, I mean, I don't know, it's probably a good thing.

The whole, the whole MDF thing felt like it's kind of, it is kind of kind of silly, but it is. All right, you know, these number of guys we're going to cash out bottom line. But it's kind of crazy to think that you could, you know, you're, you have a plot on the last green on Friday to decide if you're in the tournament and you could still win it come Sunday.

So do we have a stat on how long it had been since? Brantsoneticer in 2016 according to Justin Ray was the last one at the Farmers. Was that the year it was biblical with all the wind and crazy weather? Yes, was that a Monday finish? Yeah, I think it was a Monday no fan finish or something like that.

I didn't realize this was going to be like, begin like 12 shots on the field of the whole farm around. By shooting like 300 or something. Carl Patter on the field of the world on around by shooting like three under or something. Carl Patterson did it at the 2010 RBC Canadian Open and Rory McElroy at the 2010 Coil Hollow Championship. A backdoor win. His first win was a,

that's right. He shot like 62 in the final round. Yeah, I think it was 61. I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna get leaderboard up because that's, you just peaked my engine. Yeah, shout to Sean Martin who sent that over. He's always willing to throw in some stats when needed.

So Sungjae, we gotta talk about Fleetwood. Got one by four, too. I got, not only did he make a cut on the number, that's what I'm saying. He's like, are we cutting or too many eyes? And on Hellcareira, that's, are too many guys getting cut? Question mark.

Probably not. I'm gonna say no. Probably not, but it is interesting that it could happen. Well, so I wanna, before we move on, I wanna give Sunjay his due here, because what is it that makes him interesting to watch, do you think?

Because you said, two-part question. One, you said, you don't. Before you even go there, I don't think we're gonna move on. I was gonna talk about Sunjay. Yeah, we're slamming the brakes on that. One, you said, you don't. Before you even go there, I don't think we're gonna move on. I was gonna talk about something. Yeah, we're slamming the brakes on that. Two things you said. One, I agree. I think without knowing anything about his personality,

he's still fascinating to watch, which begs the question. We probably mega overrate people's personalities onto it. And that's worth acknowledging. I will say though, some of it has been guys that play with him in the president's cup. Ricky would be a good example of that. But I as a CM weekend, we got on tour and it's like,

he sounds like the man. Dude, he's drinking milkshakes of breakfast. I would say that overwhelmingly, you need a reason to root for people if you tune in to watch golf. Why do you root for Brooks? I don't necessarily root for Brooks. Really?

No, I haven't. The last major is I root for greatness in the majors. Like that's that's really not rooting for Brooks necessarily though. That's just rooting for greatness. It's almost rooting for selfish purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I would not be rooting for Brooks down the stretch of P.J. national for him to like win a tour event like for him. I wouldn't care about him. I wanted Fleetwood to win today. But I was I mean, I also wanted SungJ to win. Why? Why? Well, that's what made it so fun. It's like no matter who won. Yeah. I wanted Fleetwood to win today. I also wanted SungJay to win. Also Mackenzie. That's what made it so fun. It's like, no matter who won, we're gonna be good.

I think we're rooting for Brooks not to win Tor events. Yes, Major, or regular Tor. In the top screen. Well, maybe Dustin Johnson's a good example then. Like, there's, what's the personality reason to root for Dustin Johnson? I'm pretty bored when he wins PGA Tor events. I love it.

I always root for him. You're rooting for history. He's the greatest player of all time. I'm on a one to two shots stretch, for sure. Patrick Cantley, I would kind of put in that category. I root for him to win. I don't know fucking anything about that. I think Cantley lives in that category. Zanders in that category I'd say.

Yeah. I think Zanders more into, I don't know. I think both of those guys are just more to it than we don't. We just don't know yet. But we're trying to get in the fight. We are in the three massive golf fans and we don't know. I think both those guys are just more to it than we don't that we just don't know yet But like we're trying to get in the three massive golf fans and like we don't know it so like who like who does? It's true Check it out into their we'd love to hear more about it Sanders upbringing and all that stuff sounds fascinating, but yeah, the reason I don't both of their podcasts episodes can't lay and

Zander Shoffley they were both on the altous podcast earn your edge podcast They're both really interesting, listen. A little more technical than ours, but sure. Free had an exchange for some golf, let's shout out to the other guys. All the boys and dollars. I know, I will let you know. But seriously, like, why aren't those on

and no disrespect to anyone? No disrespect to Cam and Cory Lumberk, but like, it's just like cool. Like, if those are really, really good, then like, get him out to a wider audience. Yeah. Those are guys that are in the mix on a weekly basis and we need to hear more from them.

We're working on it. We're working on it. So that gets back to the first part of the question. It's like, why do you think it's fun to watch something, Jay? His playing style. I think it, for some of you that's going to play that aggressively. And, you know, there's so much on tour. I feel like, and I can't like prove this,

but I feel like there's a lot of people when they come down the stretch, it is a balance between trying to win and still place well. And today felt completely reckless at times. Yes, 100% trying to win. And just trying to win the tournament. And that makes me... To do it to seven feet on 15 and seven.

Oh my God, that made me feel alive though. It did, I mean, I'm sick. And so to try for it is one thing and to actually execute on top of it is another. So I'm trying to still fund a watch of the president's cup too. Totally, yeah. No, but I'm with you.

I was thrilled watching him. But yeah, I'm curious. I just, I think I'm, I'm dying for some more. I wanna know more about him. I wanna have more dimensions. He doesn't have a home. He just travels every week to week. Exactly. Somebody that's guy plays almost every week. Somebody want to know more about him. I want to have more. He doesn't have a home. He just travels every week. Exactly.

Somebody that's guy plays almost every week. Somebody had to get a question. It's like, what does he do with the trophy? Does he put it in his hotel room? That's a great question. That's a great question. One of the other things I think just with, like, it seemed like he made a lot of puds down the stretch.

He made it put on 15, made it put on 17. Those were big time puds, but he also missed a six footer on 12, and then he missed a 10 footer on 13. So it's not like he, you know, like he could have gone away and he missed those and he's still one. I think one thing that's really interesting about him is he has the potential. I'm sure there's going to be examples I'm not thinking of, but does he have the potential to become basically like the first non-English speaking superstar in America? That is.

I think he knows English better than... No, no, no, I don't even mean that. I think he's gonna be interested to see if he's the guy because so far, I mean, who has kind of been in that category of Hideki? Like we're told that Hideki's big in Japan. And of course, like those guys are massive in Japan and Korea.

But to be big overall. None of them seem like they've really crossed over. Hideki's the closest. I got real nervous listening to Zinger and Jack Nicholas say that Sungjae reminded them of Hideki. They brought it together. It was about the backswing. They saved it.

It was like the delay in the swing and the taking it. Sungjae reminds me of, I like his swing a lot better. He's not as good of a putter. But he reminds me of the taking it. So, you sang your reminds me of, a little bit, I like to swing a lot better, he's not as good of a putter, but he reminds me of the Asian rom. Yeah. The way he's very, very close to at that same level. Slightly different temperaments on the course, but the rom was really working hard.

But just as far as their actual shot shape, and their ability to hit iron, and their ability to just... Mashed. Yeah, and it was impressive just, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very because it's like a South African the way to say it. I'm probably not saying. Well, you're not South African. I know. I would worry about it. Eric, Ben Ruyin, South Africa.

I don't know if you heard him talk about the Maverick, the Calais Maverick three wood. Have you missed it? He said he loved it. The minute he got it, putting it behind the ball, he said it sat really well with the classic three wood shape. But while we know about the shape, of course, the Maverick looking classic, but the interior has all the futuristic bells and whistles that Callaways R&D team has to offer

Just like the Maverick drivers the new line of the fairway woods benefits from artificial intelligence and intelligence design faces There's the Maverick fairway wood that'll fit just about anyone There's the standard head the sub zero head that typically is used by the high-speed high spin players like mr. Van Royen Like mr. TC. Yeah, you're you're your sub zero three wood guy now. I am all right. It's it's such it's a smaller head which people T.C. You hit it all over the club face. I would need a smaller head, but is anybody insane? I don't know that I say that. It's actually a hitter really well. No, I know what I'm saying. I don't think anybody. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying. I don't think anybody can find. Yeah. No, I'm saying,

give yourself a little credit. The listeners, the followers. I don't think they say that either. The haters know you hit it good. No, it's really, it's super clean. No offense to anyone, no offense to the flash, but I like the Maverick Threewood shape will up better. And if you need a little bit more help,

there's the Maverick Max, of course, so artificial intelligence. If I may, you take it from here. Do you use the threewood? Oh my God, it's the best three wood I've hit in. Yeah, a lot of times. I hit the three wood, yeah. They're all making me jealous.

They're awesome. And I was kind of, I liked the epic flash, but they felt very, the max three wood is so comfortable. And maybe I'm just in the honeymoon period right now where it feels like you can do no wrong, but yeah, hitting off the tee, a little bit of a draw bias, so I don't hit those big like kind of block fades out.

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That's calwaygolf.com. I actually just switched to the Maverick, the regular driver. I put it in play this weekend. I haven't played with it yet. We're gonna find out tomorrow, but I hit on the range, which is a change from the sub-zero, so I'm excited to see that. Awesome.

Where do you guys want to go next? We can go Fleetwood. We can go Grandstands or we can go Zinger. Let's go Fleetwood. Fleetwood. Okay. I got to get off my chest. What did you think about what Zinger said about Fleetwood?

Not kidding. Oh man, that was chest. What did you think about what Zinger said about Fleetwood? Not kidding. Oh man, that was bullshit. What? Are we being serious? Well, I was joking because that was, that's more Zinger related than Fleetwood related. But we can talk about that. Yeah.

I think it's time. Okay. But I think, it's more about Fleetwood than, yeah, like what, what, what was said? What did Zinger say? So Zinger said, basically the Tommy Fleetwood hasn't made it yet because he hasn't wanted PGA to work with. Which that's also suggesting that Monty hasn't made it yet because he hasn't won a PGA tour event. Which that's also suggesting that Monty hasn't made it yet. Or.

Well, which is a take I would listen to. That's kind of sweet. The way he's, I think he was like, I like 10% agree with Zinger. He delivered it very poorly, I would say. He referred to the Euro Tour as that tour over on that European tour, which just felt a little disrespectful. He didn't, I think he was, I don't think he meant to be that bigTour as that tour, over on that European tour, which just felt a little disrespectful.

I think he was, I don't think he meant to be that big of a dick about it, but it definitely came off that way. A lot of people rallied to Fleetwood's defense. It's complicated topic. It's not a, I don't, I definitely am not like, yep, Zinger's right, but I think that there's something to it. Like there's at least something to what he said.

So you're saying that, oh no, here we go. Whatever you're about to say, no, that's not what I'm saying. Whatever that's, whatever you're about to say is now what I'm saying. I'm trying to see around the corner on what you're saying. I haven't said anything really yet. I'm not, yeah, or what you're intimating here, but we were in Abu Dhabi two years ago. 2018. 2018. Fleetwood was going, was it back to back? It was his second consecutive Abu Dhabi. Yeah, so going back to back, I think the strength of field

was probably up there with the Honda. I'm right there with you. It strength of field for that event was 351. The year before when he won was 330. The French opened that he won was 270. And this week was 261. You're exactly right. So that, so and and this is relative to other tournaments on this PGA tour that we're discussing

right now. Where does the Honda fall in the priority, you're in the, I don't have that prepared for you, just not, but it's low-ish. 40th to 50th percentile, like, probably, the average. For this stretch of the tour, it's definitely on the lower end. For January, February, March into it's definitely on the lower end. Like for January, February, March, into March, definitely on the low end. It's probably somewhat closer to the American Express, I would say, just because like, not one of the top 10 shows up.

So, the way the strength of field ratings work is, if you get, like, if Rory would have shown up this week, it might have bumped it up to 330 or something. What was this week? 261. The AT&T Pebble Beach Pro Am was 227. Oh wow. This Saudi event was 313. The Wasteman's Phoenix Open was 389. I'm not disagreeing with you. The strength of field of

Tommy Flea Woods wins is not in question. So I think that's what Zinger's whole thing comes down to though is unless you want to say that the world rankings are vastly far off, which I can listen to the thing as far as, but if, you know, four or five of the top American guys go over to Abu Dhabi, they're represented. You've got best of the European tour and he goes back to back. Oh, yeah. And then just passing the smell test, going back to the 16th hole on Sunday, when we were there watching him,

the wind was going 20. Oh my God, I still think about that shot. Like that thing rang in my loin. I was aroused. And I don't think that Zinger is questioning Fleetwood's ability. And he's got two solo seconds and majors. Okay, I think it's as simple as one NBC relationship,

PGA tour is like you need a PGA tour wins, what we're talking about. It's literally like a factor. I kind of almost think it's not even with it. It's not even worth like dissecting. It's a sports talk radio tape. So you're saying this is connected directly to the communications apparatus.

Not necessarily. We need to hit the conspiracy. Yeah, we got a new mixer that built it It's a sound effect. What's the conspiracy sound? Shout out to our new mixing board. I don't think that this is directed. I think this is like you hear if you're around the tour Enough you hear you talk to the tour you hear enough enough things in your mind you are thinking like we are promoting the PJ tour. So I think that's a factor of. On that point too, he's got two top 10s at,

that's fun. Down here at Saga. So here's all I'm asking, who is, I wish Big Randy was here because it's more directed at him. But there seems to be a bit of inconsistency of how we apply these policies. You're going to come back to Ricky winning the Scottish Open, which is sick.

I'm awful. I think that should be trumpeted as Ricky, but Ricky's also won what, six times on the PGA tour. Five times. So I don't think that's what the Ricky conversation's coming down to. But it also gets, it gets cited as a Ricky's only one five times. And I think any, did he win Abu Dhabi one year too? He did. Or Dubai. Yeah. I think it was another big one. So like, but that doesn't count. And whenever that argument comes around, I think so. So, so, and to your

point, just a few, just a couple of weeks ago, that's a great point on Tony Fino. We are saying, well, why, why hasn't he won? Well, he has one one, but why hasn't he won? Why doesn't he win? More, why isn't this this happening it's an inconsistent application of the policy well i just think it's like it's just like you want to record or to recover no i know he's one of the world around the world it hasn't yeah yeah he doesn't want a bunch of your tour of it he's saying like yeah we're all over the place here a couple things like there's a main headline that needs to be pointed out here, which is, this was the 64th event that Tommy Fleetwood's played on the PGA tour. And of the events he plays, he pretty much only plays the best ones against the best

players. And the Florida swing. And the Florida swing. And so it's like, dude, winning is, Tony Fienaust played 152 events. I'm just, I don't know where the line is, where you draw it. Ricky Foulish played 240 events. I'm just, I don't know where the line is, where you draw it. Ricky Foulish played 240 events. I'm just saying. I looked at just for total random, like I think he was like 10th

this week, Mark Hubbard has played one and a half times the amount of PGHR events as Tommy Fleetwood. What do you think of this quote? What do you think of this quote right here? The next stage in Fleetwood's career would be to win on the PGHR tour. If you want to be one of the world's best players, you have to do it in America. What do you think of that quote?

I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. TC. What do you think of that? No, I mean, that's, that's basically saying that that Monti, who was world number one for how long was never one of the world's best players because he never once won in America. I don't know if he was world of one. Was he? He won the order. Order. He was. He was, I think he was. I think, no, he's not in the tiger here. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if he was worth everyone. He won the order, order merit. He was, I think he was. I think he was. He sent the tiger here, I don't know.

Yeah, I would. So you disagree with that statement, TC? I disagree just because basically Fina was exempt from this argument. I'm just focusing on this statement. You want to be one of the world's best players, you have to do in America. Puerto Rico is technically in.

Do you want to know who the source of the comment is? Well, it's an A-Singer, right? Tommy Fleetwood. Oh, sure. That's why he's playing over here more often than a lot of those other guys. That's right. I know it means something too.

But also like, I'm saying, it makes Zinger's comments more fair. If from Fleetwood's mouth, he said, if you want to be one of the world's best players, you have to do in America. I don't agree with how he came across. Like, you should not call the Euro toward that tour because if, like I said, those the Euro toward that tour because if it's

like I'm saying those people, we have some of this money. If Fleetwood's wins on the European tour were, I mean, he's won the Ned bank and the Johnny Walker as well, which were like one 91 and 81 strength of field. If that was like leading the charge of his wins, yeah, you could probably say that, but he has one big time offense. But I think there is something to it. It's, it's different style golf. It's different to play against a top field almost every time you teed up in America. It's just a different grind. And I think there is something to it. I don't think it's reflective of Fleetwood or anything,

but I think that's, I think both clearly incredibly good players. Both things can be true that like, yes, he would like to win an America more. And also, no, we don't need to like, he doesn't not have it or he doesn't like it. Well, I'd listen or actually chime in on the Twitter. He said, have what it takes. At DJ Pies, it does Tommy Flea would, hashtag have what it takes. And it's just trying to join the conversation.

It's just like, it's a stupid sports talk radio. All right, I apologize, everybody. I don't think, now, if this was in season or whatnot, maybe it was different, but Monty topped out at number three worldwide, but he finished 1995 and 1999, both at top three. He finished like eight seasons in the top 10. But I think so. I think Monty's hurting your kids, to be honest, I think because he had so much success on the European tour and came over and couldn't win on the PGA tour.

Like that is more indicative of anything of Fleetwood. Fleetwood's won five times. He's not like repetitive order and error winner. And Monty is said on the pod. He said, he kind of regrets that he didn't commit enough to the United States. I think that's a factor. And Fleetwood has committed fully. And I really respect how Fleetwood's set up

his schedule over the last two or three years, especially. Like it's not like he was coming off of being well-rested and everything. He was coming off of the wilderness and then he just all of a sudden started playing like one of the best players in the world and went from winning the Kazakhstan Open or tournaments like that to basically like,

he spent, you know, four or five months. We talk about SungJab not having a place to live or whatever. Like Tommy like he spent you know four or five months. We talk about SungJab not having a place to live or whatever. Like Tommy was on the road for four or five months during that initial stretch. Didn't go home, fired from the Middle East to Asia to the US. Like that's, I respect that man. So Tommy is gonna win. I have no fear of that. Going back to the specific.

Let me, the last just real quick. Yeah. What needs to be said also, I think he's a fine player, he's a tremendous player, I love watching him at root for him. He does not look good in final round. No, so that was the first one I wanted to talk about that.

I was really like today. You opening in like today, there was the players, the US Open. They shot off the, then he should have final round 63 at Shinnacock to finish second. He did. Third round.

He kind of should have. Yeah. He was in the mix and then he wasn't. He had a look at 62. It is. It didn't crown on that day. He said it more than a, it's more than a couple of times now that we've seen him with chances to win and not win.

Oh, and that's the thing where I'm winning's hard. I know. But I think, I think in my mind, I view him as this like cool. He's this world class. He's this top five player That just hasn't done it yet versus like all right cool. You got to do it Come on he's decidedly I think a perfect dog not a killer. Yeah, so so he went for the win on 18 He went for the like I respect the way and the fact that he made birdie on 17. That was that was sick. But he also made some dumb ass. Like going back to on the back.

Not for sure. The one that he hit out of the fairway won't get the hit the lip. I, you know, I was legitimately confused. I texted Maddie. I texted a couple of other guys. It texted packs. I was like, you know, like what, what's the caddy combo there? Like are you, is your caddy trying to talk you off of that? Was that, was that Tommy trying to, you know, trying to,

uh, be more balls than he should? Was that just, like, sloppy? What was it? And he was like, I don't know, I was, you know, like, they were kind of like, it was just a bad shot, you know, sometimes the nerves just get to you. This is, um, a way out over my skis with this take, but for the way that Tommy hits the ball, like kind of compressing from the inside. It's like, that's a clean and cool. Yeah, that bunker shot would give Tommy hits the ball, like kind of compressing from the inside. Like, shi- Like, shi- Gaffeline and shi-

Yeah, that bunker shot would give me night. Even if it's a wedge and a nine iron. Like, when I'm hitting a fairway bunker shot, I am like taking the club away outside and trying to hit like a cut flop. Especially again, shot at the Sanjay on 16. Or westwood. Or westwood.

Or westwood. We even got in there. Yeah. It was, I have been very anti-westward for the last like five or six years, but just because like it was before he was now in this kind of divorced dad, anything goes. Living is best life. Like living is best life. Point of his life.

And now it's just like, all right, I've weighed up this guy. You can't not be. Now he's like comfortable with his own skin. He's not trying to, it just, he was not easy to root for for me personally. I also 10 years ago. Yeah. Eight years ago. I didn't watch that much golf this week, but I feel like I heard the, the, I get it, I heard it like four times though. Oh, he just doesn't care as much. I'm like, I'm kind of over this and then it cut to him on 18 with three with the book. And I'm like, oh, he really doesn't give a fuck. I was saying it was like the, it was like the 12 handy cap,

where it's just like, hey, you can't get to the greed. All right, that I guess it's three ways. Let's fucking go. Hit it up there. It's so aspiration. That's great. It's kind of unshaven probably a couple too many drinks last night. New timer asked what do we know why Tommy hasn't broken through yet. I think we kind of think we got to cover that one. But, but like, going back to Tommy, I was thinking like, also, it does him hitting down on the ball. Like, like you said, and he seems to always kind of take a big thump. So out of a fairway bunker, that seems, it seems like it's going to come out lower, but with higher spin.

So he does hit the ball relatively high, but it's just a matter of like, he's such a, yeah, and then he's such a digger versus a sweeper. Yeah. And again, this, you know, I don't want to go way too much on recency, but the shot that he required into 18 was a cut. Exactly. And a lot of guys hit cuts on the back nine on Sunday, and he hits a lot of draws. So I don't know how much that plays a factor, but it might contribute.

It's the Patrick Reed fact. Yeah, I'm sure that Jam that pin all the way over there on the right. They didn't want to ruin. Racist set up against the English. Well, speaking of Patrick Greedy, got blindsided by the line drives from the county. He was into the grandstays. Great, great tweet by Eddie Johnson. Oh my God. I hope Patrick Greedy wasn't sitting in those great stands in the live drive section. What are we? Let's talk about McKenzie. Yeah. Well, we talked a little bit at the top just about the crazy run that he had there.

But that was, that was like, we've been kind of waiting for an egregious moment of the grandstands being abused. And that's not like it. I don't even let's not go there first. Okay. I feel like he played better. Like let's talk about the way he played because it was, we talked about that at the beginning, a little bit.

What more do you have that? Listen, it was sick. It was. The put on the chip in on 17. because it was, we talked about that at the beginning. A little bit. What more do you have dad? Listen, it was sick. It was. The put on, the chip in on 17. Or the put on 17. I didn't like that one quite as much. I got, I got a, well actually,

and this age well, Twitter, in my ass on that one. I was, the whole time he's making this charge, again, let me repeat. I love all Canadians. I love McKenzie Hughes. I was just dying for like, God, I gotta get a good Canadian spelling, a good Canadian spelling out there on Twitter. He just like, I don't know if he fan one

or just kind of lost it a little right on 17. He had like 60 feet, 50 feet. Yeah, the put on 13. I was like, I'll hit into the center with RE, hit in the center of the green. That's not gonna get it, not gonna get it done. You were too excited to use the joke. For sure. Yeah, you gotta to just you can't chase it.

On the back nine on Sunday, you can't chase it. You got to just let it come to you. You made a 30 footer on 13 like it with a the one on 17 was the one with a fist pump. Yeah. Yeah. That was quite the fist pump. I mean, he fired up. He did it before the ball dropped. I mean, it was he walked that one in. That was that was pretty, pretty aggressive. But I'm dying to talk about the drop. And then blow in the ball. We have Blaine Barber blowing me up, saying,

this is a bad take on the grandstands and everything. I said, it might be a bad take, but let's talk about it. It's not, but yeah, we can talk about it. So, so go back, like, what's the take? Well, I just said that there's, we talked about this on the cam cam drop. This is a quote from you. You were like, scam champ. The drop he had in last year. Why isn't it for pimping

sungje am like they pimp cam champ for for two years. Do you want the answer? Listen, for sure. That's the whole thing. That's where it's like dude, it's hard to do. I have any great ideas for how you make how you make him a bang that conspiracy button. Go on. Do I have any great ideas for how you make how you make him a bang that conspiracy button. Go on. Do I have any great theories on like how to make him a crossover star in America? No, I don't have I don't have a bunch of them dripping off the top of my head. But I do despise a little bit and it's getting better because just because he's on TV more now. But all the people are like, oh, you know, if you haven't heard of this, SungJM guy, you know, you're really missing out. It's like, dude, he's the fucking rookie of the year.

Like, no other sport. You've never heard about this guy. You've got your head on it. And what other sport is like, oh yeah, this guy, yeah, apparently he was rookie of the year. I haven't even heard of this, dude. Or it's like trusting your own schedule. And also, you purport your president's cup

to one of the biggest events of the year and it's still like hey, there's SungJM, but I do think that helped a lot. I think that like, I think hardcore to even medium core fans have at least heard the name and kind of at least know who he is now. At this time, I also wanted to note that in the 2019 FredEx cup draft, which was auto drafted as I was traveling, all of you guys passed on something. No, we all knew he was going to be good. in the 2019 Fred X Cup draft, which was auto drafted as I was traveling. All of you guys passed on something. No, we all knew he was going to be good. We just didn't want it.

It felt like it was like fish in a barrel. It didn't want to, you know, it wouldn't have been way too easy to pick them. I'm just saying you guys all passed on them. So thank you for giving them. You're welcome. Cool to see him come through your program and do such great things. Yes. Honestly, going back to McKenzie, I feel like he gave it his best.

I would say 66. He tried too hard with the ice cream scoop in the bucket that is bicep, like just, you know, he was he was trying to scoop everything he possibly could have. And his bicep just like failed on him. It was like, cool, like you're stuck in ice cream now, man. You got green. There's two that reminds me of the drop. Yeah, there's two shots that you could hit at 18.

You could do the one that Tommy Flea would hit and the one that McKenzie Hughes hit. And I was saying that, all right, if the penalty for the hitting it out of the mega snap hooks, just do the snap hooks. Or you could hit a good shot of green. You're, well, I'm saying, but your quote was, if you hit it out of the stadium,

you should be, let's the out of balance. You leave the stadium. Oh, in fact, you hit the mega angle. That's what the rule is, but you were suggesting that like, if you're up against a grandstand, you should get a free drop, but if you hit it out of the stadium. You should have to hit it back into the stadium.

Yes, or like if you hit the baseline of side-grants and if you hit the grandstand, you should not get the mega angle drop. Like that was, for one, I would think from a safety standpoint, like, do I, is that the leading reason why? No, but if I'm the tour, I don't want guys aiming at grandstands as of right now.

Like when you're in, like when we, when we, when we played a Rodamick before the BMW, I missed the 18th fairway right under a tree. Oh, yo, I know. And I punched, I was like, I'm just literally gonna bank this off the grandstand. They, they weren't set, they were setting up. Well,, oh, I know. And I punched, I was like, I'm just literally gonna bank this off the grandstand. They weren't setting up my heroes or doing it on TV. Yeah, I was like, this is clearly the play right now.

Meanwhile, the workers were in there. No, they were sick. They were sick. Not even close. You're truly a sick, they had hard hats on. Hammering all the, you know, seats in and on. So it's like very clearly a motivating thing. So now, if the punishment for going

into the bleachers was out of bounds, I would not be playing that shot. So that would be that would be sick. Before the haters and losers come at you on this, you need to be clear. But this is not the shot he was trying to hit. It's only why would he try to get the grandstand exactly. We obviously that's not what we're saying very clearly. Yeah, but there are people in sort of that's not intentional.'re saying. Very clearly. But there are people in sort of, that's not intentional. You think he's trying to do that? Exactly.

That's my exact point. If it was OB, he's not bailing over there. Like that is it. OB or lateral? What is freedom? The abs since it's OB. If you hit it out of the stadium, it's out of bounds. Like if you hit it into the grandstands,

you think it should be stroke and distance? Yeah. That's OB, like that. Not just stroke. Lateral as it's just a stroke. That would think it should be stroke and distance. Yeah. That's all be like a not just stroke lateral hazard. I'm fine. That would be a yeah, that would be enough. I can meet you at lateral hazard, but that's fine. It's stroke and distance.

The absence of fears and move the grandstands back. Right. So if you give a little more space. Yeah. Make it a hazard. Yeah. All right. Done.

Next case. There's no fear. You're going to swing as hard as you want. Yes. Down the left hand line. If it fades, it fades. Otherwise. Zinger said that before the shot, he's like, aim left side of the green. If it fades, it's great. If not, and he just, quack, goes way left.

So yeah, there's a reason why guys bail towards things that are like bumpers. That is a bumper, that is a freedom. Speed set it out loud at Riviera. He tried to hit it behind a bleacher, so you get a free drop. That isn't issue. Like you should, this needs to be addressed.

One reason would be the safety of your fans that are drinking and not watching the ball come in. There's no chance. That are living under par. Yes, they're living way under par. So yes, I think this should be addressed. Like the port rush, the drop area from those grandstands was shit.

It was like, you weren't, you weren't released. I love that. Something like that, like you are dropping in was shit. It was like, you weren't in that, you weren't released. I love that. Something like that. Like you are dropping in absolute shit. That's the goal. Yes. That could be, you know, if you didn't want to make it a full on hazard, maybe it's just one consistent drop area.

Just in the ass. But make it the most fucked up spot on that core. Yeah, that would be kind of silly. Charlie Murphy gets his step on your ball with the rough. So I don't know, I think that is, if that's happening on the 72nd whole of your championship, this is something that needs addressed. I don't think it will be, but this is bullshit. And it's only going to get worse when we get to Detroit. Minneapolis, some of those other courses, the backstopping capitals of that.

This wasn't even back, grandstopping or grandstaking. This was, this was side-sci. It was pushing the limits of what's possible. Can go back to the fact that he hit that wedge into the bunker. Chumquets. That was a second old. I was like, whoa, what the fuck's going on? That was, I think, what's so cool. Maybe this kind of segues into talking about the golf course, but it was wild to see it's so cool.

I think the dream scenario for watching tournament golf, like whenever we get jaded and we're like, God, PJ Tour is so boring to watch. Buh, buh, buh. It's because you don't have days like this where you can see people hit both heroic shots. It's very, yes. And completely nerve struck, like horrible mishots.

It's like good is good. Yeah, and that's why I think, and I don't know how you guys feel, but PJ National, I think we're well in the records. Like I have no interest in playing there. I do things before you do this. I want to give a shout out to Grebs, who asked the question on the last one. Propecial shout out to Grebs.

Car for the course is Honda, the tour stop that ranks. Highest on entertainment for viewers, but lowest on enjoyment to play. 100 per... Well, I would... Yeah, I think I would think so. I think it leads the tour for me. Yeah, I mean, I have no desire.

It's just, it's a lot of, you know, like when we talk about like, oh God, this is such a great golf course. So this is such a proper test and blah, blah, blah. I think we're rapidly approaching and you can blame this on distance or you can blame it on whatever. There are PGA tour tournament golf courses

and there are good amateur fun golf courses to play. Yeah, are you suggesting that the game is bifurcated? It's massively bifurcated by golf course already, I think. and there are good, amateur, fun courses to play. Yeah. Are you suggesting that the game is bifurcated? It's massively bifurcated by golf course already, I think. But, and Honda's a perfect example of that and to explain it a little further. Who else is in that? For the golf course, I think the golf course is

the soccer asser's in that. To Honda? Really? I would say the conditions of soccer are a problem. Yeah, but you're a fucking plus two handicap, dude. No, but it's fun, like for you. Yeah, go hit it. Go hit it one 90 off the tee and 50 yards off one.

Tell me, tell me how much fun you have. I've played well at Sawgrass, like relatively well, as a three or four handicap, and I've shot like 84, 85, where, and then I've kind of faked it around, but done the right stuff and shut 75 76 so that's kind of like I have played out there and like wanted to quit golf Really? Yeah, you like you have low handicap privilege you have no idea what the common man goes through I've had to play it from two feet off the back rough the back tease as a plus as a

T-ratch or plus I have gone through it being very, very hard. It's only I also feel like you like, I don't know, you're probably better at playing really, really hard courses. Yeah, there's something to that. I don't know, I always thought. I think it's a bunch of pauses versus golf. Go play around and go for it where you lose eight golf balls. And tell me like how much fun that is. Like it is, you're not in the right, I feel like I,

that's, I've just never heard you guys say that before. Yeah, oh, I think so. Like if you're playing well, or if you, like like I've just never heard you guys say that before. Yeah, I think so. Like if you're playing well, or if you, like, I've said this a bunch of times, but when you, the most fun I've ever had out there is playing it from the white teas with no drivers, just hitting irons into the parallel. It's so much harder. That's so fun.

So we've got a new series coming out crash course. Yeah. We got out DJ and I did an app on a podcast. A podcast series. A podcast series. Basically for, this is an unplanned side story here, but for all the people who are like, oh, what'd you think of this course?

What'd you think of this course? We don't want to, you know, blow-v8 on this in this space for the people who don't want to hear that. So here's an opt-in reason. If you want to hear about our thoughts on specific golf courses, there you go. It'll be in the crash course feed.

I don't know when those are coming out, but we might've just rushed ourselves along. I like it. Anyways, we did one on TBC. Basically going out there, it's harder for me to hit three woods and hybrids and four irons off those tees because I'm more accurate with my driver at this point

and it chokes in at all the places and I can't hit driver over a lot of these trees. Like it's harder for me at 6200, then is it 7100 or more? I can see that. To pull your question a little further, like what what other courses are in that category? I think D'Aral would have like I and obviously we don't play there anymore, but D'Aral would have been in that. That was more length related than anything. That's just I don't know. I've never played it, but I've walked it a bunch and it's just weird angles. Yeah, weird angles. It's just so hard you get like you get

the wins in the afternoon and stuff. It would just, I would picture that being very miserable. I think Bay Hills kind of in that category. I don't really want to play as a hill, but I think it's a great test of golf. I think Valspar, when the wind blows a little bit, Valspar, you got to work the ball both ways. Like, you got to work it one way off the tee and then next way. Like, there's a lot of double dog legs, a lot of trees coming in. I think Tori pines maybe. I know there are many reasons, you know, it's not that.

So I think Tori pines has gotten so long though that guys that hit it so far down there can just yeah. Gouged out versus other guys are gouging out with a five iron versus some guys are gouging out with a wedge. I think Hilton head when the wind blows at Hilton head, like that, when was it Grammack Dowell one? Yeah, but I would want to play at Hilton head. Are we talking about a fun to play? Or a fun to play? Like enjoy the way you want to play.

Like, more or less, just like proper tournament golf on the weekend, week out, PGA tour, right? Because I think Quail Hollow used to be like that, the first couple of years they had it there, especially especially down the stretch and then now it's like, you know 18 No offense to Maxwell fence to anyone's it. I mean, it's it's a hard fair way to hit But it's also 480's not 480 anymore 460's not 460 anymore, you know for G Collins 30 says What's your favorite hole in the bear trap for For me, it's hard to pick just one. Hashtag Rar.

I like... Another shout out to the mixing ball. I laughed very hard at that. Hashtag Rar. I like 16. I think 16s are really cool part four. The two part threes kind of feel somewhat similar. They feel like they're getting paid by the mention of the bear trap.

It's like no, no one is out there talking about it. Well, Sally, it's funny you mentioned that. Barbara and I were just thinking there earlier. Yeah. Barbara. Yeah, Jack, what do you think of the of the of the of the bear trap? Well, me and me and I, I, me and Barbara.

Yeah, I feel like the Jack Poppin was shorter this year. It was less than an hour, yeah, which was it was less than an hour. But ribbing Mike says, who is the best player not to win on the PGA tour right now? Not very well phrased, but he was the best player to know. The best player he hasn't won on the PGA tour. Monty. Oh, the best.

Oh, currently at golf, I think is where that would go. I mean, it's got to be Fleetwood, right? I know that. I know that's the reason for asking the question, but I don't know who else, I don't know how he'd really put in that. Fleetwood's number 12 in the world, probably moving up a little bit. And he's the highest ranked player in the world to have never won the PGA tour. I don't even know who would be next up after that.

You know, who gets a complete burnt feast burger? You know who gets a complete. Burnt Feast Burger at 23rd. Who gets a complete. It's total 23rd. Do you want to hear my, my rant on the official world golf rankings? We could talk about that. You know who gets a total pass for never winning. Louis.

Yeah. Well, yeah, like nobody cares that he never wins. He won the open. You kicked it. 10 years ago. I was getting ready. Literally 10 years ago, and he has not won since on the PJ Tore.

Not once? No. Okay, he gets a lot of passes. Right? I don't think so. Mm-hmm. I was giving, I was giving. He won the Masters, right?

You know, he finished how he lost the second in all the majors since then and hasn't won on tour. And then he or she probably I hope I'm not wrong on that but I'm pretty sure he probably should have either here or leash would have should have won that 2015 for sure. Pretty sure open against corn boy. General general corn wall. Can we talk about the leaderboard this week? Yes, one PJ tour win. You're exactly right. That's crazy. Go ahead. General general court wall. Can we talk about the leader for this week?

There's one PJ tour win. You're exactly right. That's crazy. Go ahead. What do you want to talk about? I mean, we talked about Westwood a little bit. The steel dossier. No, you know, don't need to talk about that at all. Such a stupid joke that baby laugh so hard.

But the headshot completely unexpected. DB straight vibe in 69 70 69, 70, 69, 69. That's a lot of 69 and that's a lot of beach. I was just good to see him back. I want to see him in the mix more. Luke, I'm all faded a little bit this weekend, but overall he was T11. Aren't you getting it? Aren't you coming at him on his exemption status or something?

He could have, was it a direct response to T.C. to play well this week? Oh, maybe, I don't know. Shots fired. I just feel like it's a little bit, it's a little bit disingenuous to say, hey, like I've, you know, I've won this much money in my career during the Tiger era

and then, you get to stay on tour. And then get an extra two years of exemption. For it, it's like, cool. Hey, you've. If you're in then get an extra two years of exemption for it. It's like cool Hey, if you're in the top it won for top 25 and one for top 50 Hey, you've gotten this massive piece of the pie already and then be like you know, dude That's what the money's for and like you didn't earn like you didn't win a major You didn't there's a lot of different like like that's what winning a major's for did we talk about the fan yelling Fleetwood shot. Yeah, okay. We should probably talk about that.

He was asked about it after the round. Yeah, apparently he didn't hear the yelling. Said he didn't hear it. It was a fan that yelled, getting the whole, what sounded like on NBC sounded like right before his downswing. Yes. And I probably synced up, was probably right out. But yes, I was on top tray.

People, there was like no, if they got the impact sound right, all the minds are flowing correctly. So that was yelled. There were some, if you want to hit the conspiracy thing, there were some, there was, that's so loud, I'm sorry. You can turn it down a little bit. I'm the last one. Oh, I'm sure.

I will hate that. Right side of the editing. There were many conspiracies that it was a greenside mic that was being kind of pumped into the whole mix. Where it sounds being pumped in. Which, shout out to NBC though, because there were many people before this happened. Many people, like, God, I could hear the fans so much more,

if just felt so much more alive at this place, which I think there are a lot of fans, and I think they are rowdy, but it was, turn the microphone up in my head, there's ambient noise. Yeah. So yeah, I think it was definitely yelled before this wing now. They clean. They didn't hear it I don't think they're lying. They have no reason to

See no Some people were coming as like oh, it's just It's audio yeah, like no, somebody yelled it and As oh, oh, oh, we move on. It doesn't matter. I guess if they didn't hear it doesn't really matter But there was a lot of a lot of people upset about the mega class acting pretend like you didn't hear it. Could've been maybe the most the most class act, but if that's the case, the tour got away with some Get a fan living too far under par if they could have some of the yelts. It's gonna happen at some point I mean it did and the fact he didn't hear it is kind of amazing, but if that happened greenside

There is a gap in like sound traveling. I mean, if you, if you're sitting greenside, you can watch a player hit a ball and it's sound, it takes a little while to hear the impact sound. So if somebody yells at the top of this wing, you might not hear it until impact and you might, they might get lost in all the noise. So. I want to go back to McKenzie. Shot 66, 66. Yeah, we talked about that. It was comfortable. We didn't say that he shot 66. I literally said it checked it. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm still blown away. It's so cool. He's he is He's such a class. He could be the biggest class. I got good in an actual like he's the definition of one to where people don't realize he shot 6666. Not only that. He's the devil.

people don't realize he shot 66 66 not only that he's the devil like three years ago when the players and nobody like nobody knew I'm TC like I mean Kenzie Hughes cannot have been nicer and every time I've seen him since he's like he's across that could have been a huge win for a team booster juice too so I'm sure Ches Revy and all the boys were we're probably really sweat it which why does Ches skip this event? Why does everyone skip this event? That might be the question. We want to go back to that because that's-

That might be the question of the week, right? There was a thoroughly dumb question posed on PGA Tour Radio as I was trying over here. Which, you guys, hold on. You ride for those guys. This was very dumb. You're a real guy's objective. The gripper.

At your age? Is that a PGA Tour Radio? Yeah, I think it is. ride for those guys. This was very dope. You were a real guy's objective. The gripper. At your age. DJ Torreira. Yeah, they're, I think, is it? You know, the gripper. You know what? Listen. Listen.

I don't even know what to do. So the question that was posed was, they're basically just riding hard for, for this event. And it was a very bagged ed Bob, like nothing to see here. They were writing hard for it all week. You know, who cares that none of these big guys are playing? That's not why I watch.

I watch it just to see really good competitions. Like cool, there's gonna be about fucking 500,000 people who disagree with you this weekend. But like, let's check the ratings when they come out. Yeah, man, there was really good competition on the Corn Fairy event in Mexico. Yeah, how, there was really a competition on the corn fairy event in Mexico. Yeah, how much of that did you? How much of it?

It was probably even better. How much of the Oman Oven did you watch this morning? How much did you, Sam, how do you say his name? Sammy Valamaki, the finished player, the one that you won. Yeah, there was two fans. There were two fans. Shout out to Uncle Yos. Uncle Yos made a good run.

My, my, my, my brother in arms many people on How did we get that video? So there's so much room McDonald's in it to us. Hey, hey no leg up Uncle Yos is delivering He's the best uncle Yos joke is maybe the dumbest ever but also maybe the I mean there's a six-way tie for the league going in the last round ever but also maybe the next. I mean, there's a six-way tie for the league going in the last round of the month. This week, I've been more excited about that event

on the Euro tour than anything on their schedule so far this year. It was awesome. I was a little bit disappointed with Jordan Lewis. He was in the mix and then kind of dropped out. Sorry, Jordan Smith. Not in the audience. I was like, I'm Jordan Lewis.

Uncle Yos is delivered. Oh, uh. Uncle Yose shot like 75. It was fast. One thing I think is the biggest news to come out of Oman, the Oman Open this week was that people seem to really, there's been a groundswell of support for the Yose Lawton looks like Sully. I believe KVV said he looks like Sully if he was living in the frigid of society.

The margins, the margins. The tweets that are like, guys, you won't believe what I just discovered. Has anybody ever mentioned that Sully looks like Yos? But there's been pulling a lot of the threads now because he's Dutch, right? Yeah. And so it's like, you know, I don't know how old is he?

How old is Solid? Wasn't he, did he spend a lot of a bunch of time at AFSRDAM? Never seen him, we've never been pictured in the same place at the same time. Nobody's ever seen Chloe Kardashian. That's what he's doing. Yeah, that's right.

Nobody's ever seen Chloe Kardashian in Solid in the same place at the same time. Uncle Juice. That's a Jack Reacher. Man, are we ready to talk golf channel? What were we talking about? I'm ready to talk juice guy. That's a Jack Reacher. We ready to talk golf channel. What were we talking about? I'm ready to talk golf channel. Oh, news broken exclusively by no longer.

Hold on. We know, dude, 66. We got it. Hold on. Luke Donald shot 66 in a second round, but that doesn't have to do with this. Talk about him, they got the name. Oh, Luke McDonald.

Luke McDonald. They got the year that he won wrong. Oh, Luke McDonald. Luke McDonald. They got the year that he won wrong. And they mispronounced his hometown too. Yeah, it's like the trifecta. It's incredible. There might be people that have fringe jobs and golf that don't know very much about what they're doing. That might be it, I'd say.

For sure. Though it, yeah, I don't know. Speaking of which, listen, I know, let me, I know Randy's not here, but this is, his block would be, this is what you get when you, when you exploit volunteer labor. I doubt the guy reading off the first tea is a volunteer. Or like, uh, he's not like a signed up off the street volunteer. It's like chairman of the local foundation.

Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Probably doesn't get paid. No, he definitely doesn't get paid. I don't, I definitely, I have no idea if he gets paid. Uh, news, as you mentioned, take us there, Deach. Must, uh, must, uh, reference, no, reference credit, most credit, no, I'm no idea if he gets better. News, as you mentioned, take us there, Dege. Must reference credit.

Must credit no, I gotta do this. Which seems harder than it would look like for a lot of outlets in the past. We're not talking about this instance. No, listen, we have nothing but friends in the media. Golf Channel moving its headquarters to Stanford, Connecticut, shout out to Dunder Mifflin. As they, I think, informed their fan,

or their employees this week on Friday, saying like they're kind of quote moving the whole operation, I think if you were to read the T-Leaves, the whole operation would probably look a hell of a lot different than the operation in Orlando, both personnel wise and everything else. I think that, you know, if we're gonna put our not-so-risk-y speculation hats on here.

Which to be clear, whole operation is the golf channel operation. We've got a couple messages like golf now is staying and we're talking about... It's crazy. If we talk to, they're like, yeah, golf now is the engine of the entire business. Like how much money golf now makes. It's crazy.

So it is the golf channel. The talent. Break up the monopolies, but that's a lot of other. Yeah, the way the way of I understand it is. Listen folks, I'm a hotel guy, book direct. Go direct to the course. Book with the course. Do not book online.

Call them, you know? Okay. Anyways, back to back to this, they're moving to Stanford within sometime within the next 12 months. Which seems pretty soon. Yeah. We're ambitious. Yeah. I believe you were getting to the point

where it appears that the- Yeah, if you wanted to be increased, of course, has to play a role in- If you wanted to connect the dots as maybe connected. As one person said, I don't think they're moving there to spend more money. I think this is clearly a money saving operation

where it's like, so NBC Sports is based in Stanford. So they're by all accounts moving, you know, kind of absorbing into the NBC Sports. Before you get any further in this, there is zero, like we get zero joy out of any of this. We have friends that we're sharing. Yeah. Kind of got confused in all the Twitter mess

that, you know, we rushed to report it all that. And I was like, no, like this is a thing that happened. We of got confused in all the Twitter mess that we rushed to report it. And I was like, no, this is a thing that happened. We're gonna say, all right. Cool, if nobody was gonna lose their jobs and then they give everybody a 10% raise, that's still a bad move for all those people. There's still losing money. It sucks for everyone involved.

You're thinking like their families and all that. It's just a total, like it sucks the soul out of a company. Yeah, so fingers crossed that they keep their most talented people and most hardworking people. And but I would imagine there's going to be a lot of good people out of jobs out of this, which is very shitty. And I think comes at the cost of, like you said, the increased rights fees for broadcasting PJ George off. Some of it comes with the cost of the golf fan. Yeah, which I don't. That's listen, maybe I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I can't imagine how this is going to make the product better.

Yeah. So inherently, I guess how it works from a structure standpoint of cameras, crew, studio spaces, the NBC studios in crew studio spaces, the NBC studios in Stanford are not in use, I got 24 hours a day, right? They have the hockey night stuff that they're producing at night and whatnot, but you have a camera crew in Orlando under the NBC umbrella and you have this camera crew in Stanford. Now there is one camera crew, not one camera crew, but everyone's in one place, right? You don't need to have special, you know, it's expensive to run the office,

I assume out of Orlando, take everything to one place and you can use the same studio, they have four or five studios there, I believe something, they'll just be efficiencies on cameras and editors and all kinds of stuff. They have unused space, or space that's not getting used enough hours during the day.

And that stuff's not free. It may sound like, you know, it's not just like renting an apartment that you're not using, it's expensive. And that stuff's not free. It may sound like, you know, it's not just like renting an apartment that you're not using, it's expensive. So that, and then yeah, they're counting on, I believe there's employees that are, and not everyone knows yet. Nobody really knows if you're getting offered

to stay with a company and go or if you're gonna get offered severance. Like, and there's a lot of people that work there. So. And what sucks about it, I don't know how you guys feel, or if this is just like a media thing, and maybe nobody, you know, people want to talk about other stuff.

But think a media thing at this point is also society thing. I think so. Right. And I think that the golf channel being in Orlando as cheesy as it can be at times with all the, you know, the Mr. Palmer stuff and kind of leaning into all that, like the golf channel being in Orlando gives it more golf credibility.

You know what I mean? It's in the- It's not a heartbeat of golf. It's just, yeah, it feels so much more authentic then. I don't think we have to preface this because the reaction to this was incredible from my mind. I didn't realize how big of a story this was, even when I just didn't think-

Literally, that much. The biggest golf media company, potentially gutting its staff and moving it to squares. Like does that seem good for everybody involved or does that seem like a bad thing? Yeah, I mean, I just can't believe that people cared. My mind's that's always been, why would I care? Like, all the ESPNs moving their show to New York

and they're doing, like, I don't care. I don't care where you do your show from. It's my attitude always, but the reaction to this was, that's all sports. Yeah, this is true. That's very true. I think on the broadcast today, I thought it was very good. I did want to point out, a couple of people pointed this out

in the DMs, they said, notice a couple things on the broadcast today. No more crane camera for the bear trap holes. Interesting. No more wind gauge and no more limp shots. Who? It also goes to show that it's too windy. That's possible too, but I've noticed that not only this week's. It's too windy. I need a wind gauge. I mean for the blimp, but it's also it goes to show that how... And there's not a whole lot of track man info going either. Yeah, how not essential that some of that stuff is because like I didn't notice that. Yeah, I think so. So some of that below for sure,

but but on some level, all right, cool. We're trying to invest in the product. We strip these three or four features away. I am fascinated to see what happens, especially just kind of hearing some whispers and rumors around town and stuff. I'm curious to see what NBC comes with for the players, because I think as much as we want to make fun of, you know, is it a major, is it not a major, blah, blah, blah. I mean, NBC treats it like they get paid to treat it like a major, but they treat it, you know, like a major. And so I think any bells and whistles that they have

or any kind of new tests and stuff, we'll see at the players there. Yeah, but that's interesting. I didn't notice any of that stuff. And I think part of it, the reason you don't notice it is because Tommy Roy is really good at his job. Well, I think yeah,

you focus on the storyline and you let the golf play itself out and the drama speaks for itself. But I'd be remiss if we didn't say across the board both NBC and CBS the commercials are disgrace I mean, we'll say I it should be mentioned every week. We don't have to talk about we have to break it down But let's never forget the commercials are complete disgrace the fact that they did a little video like Little mini video between the playing through Commercial and the action and they blocked out one of Fleetwood's Shots today during the

playing through video. It's not good. It was one thing I didn't just a very like, just total lack of taste. Just before I forget to mention it, one thing I didn't think of that the greatly enjoyable Twitter account, anti-Faldo, just posted, what if is Sunjai going to have to do mandatory military service? Yeah. He's got to win a major.

Wild. If he wins a, to do mandatory military service? Yeah. He's got to win a major. Wild. If he wins a, how old? 20, I think it's before you're like 25 or 20, so he's got older. Because Sangmin Bay did it, felt like he was older than. Which Sangmin Bay was like in the mix in Mexico.

That's all that. I thought he was like 26 or 27 when he went. So, so Sangja has got basically four years then. To win a major. To win a major. That's not a lot, man. One out of 16 chance to do something that most...

The best majority of people. I mean, going back to the Zinger thing. All right, cool. Or, do you count the players as a major? Like that's the... Oh, God. That's the ultimate. Oh, God.

Does the Korean military count the players as a major? That's true. Maybe we can, if we start training like a major, maybe we can save him from having to go to military service. Anyways, wrapping up the golf channels, moving to Stanford. Our thoughts are with the people of golf channel and many friends that we have there. And yeah, it sucks. I hope the golf fan doesn't pay too great of a price for this move.

I don't know what things are going to look like. I don't know how gravely things will be affected, but there's going to be a lot of turnover. What's talks about it is, I don't know who to blame on this. Maybe this is just the cash rules, everything around me. The free market takes its toll situation, but... A.K AK cream. You know, I wonder if I don't know if it's a PGA tour reaction that you're looking for or what really sits so kind of unwell here, but it's like, man, dude, do the players really need to make enough money that you need to fucking put, like, blitz and network like this, the only network that covers golf? Is that the trade-off that

we have to make that these guys are so hard up for cash that they need to make, you know, this much money so that a network can't afford to keep its headquarters. That doesn't seem good. That seems like the scales are tipping here. Counterpoint I guess would be cool NBC like negotiate better. I guess. Yeah. I mean it's and I'm not saying that is like that. I think the counterpoint I think the counterpoint would be, you know, we always like to pick one player to kind of shit on. It's like, dude, maybe William McGurth, maybe you don't need to make that much more money. Yeah, Rory, you probably deserve more money. One of the PPL stuff.

Brooks, you probably deserve more money. Like William McGurth, dude, you don't need to make enough money to put golf channel out of business. Yeah. This doesn't make any sense. Like Rory and William McGurth don't have the same vote. I should rephrase that. Golf Channel's not going out of business, but you know what I mean?

It's getting squeezed to death, essentially. This is where I'm definitely, we're waiting, at least I'm waiting into waters that I don't fully understand, but this race for live sports rights. Like people are willing, networks are willing to lose money on this stuff. It's like you just have to have it.

Like if you don't, they didn't have this, they'd be gone. Right. The other thing somebody reshows the other day, kind of explained it a little bit more. The other thing is everything else has gone down and value so much. For like nobody watches anything else live and everything's recorded and you're not watching. So that ratings may have gone down for golf and for sports at large, but overall, relative to everything else, everything else has become so spread so thin that sports are actually more important than ever.

Yeah, I agree, and that's what, I mean, the cost of what's talking about, how Fox just loses money off the US open, but I got admit, I don't fully understand why. Also, that's why, you know, like you're not, when a lot of these mean ad agencies or buying agencies that go out and buy up all these expensive commercials that are running, a lot of these companies aren't necessarily buying stuff with the PGA tour, right? They're buying stuff with an agency and then PGA tour basically guaranteeing them this audience.

Well, I think the tour of guarantees them a lot of advertising too. Like that's how the whole official marketing partners work. All those sponsors and official marketing, I'm talking about the underpinning of the entire NBC or CBS broadcast beyond the tour as well. Oh, right. Yeah. But then going out on the open market and selling as against PGA tour golf because because you know, I think there is probably a third half of it is endemic to the title sponsor that we can do official partners in this whole other marketing ecosystem

there too. I'll still never understand why when I'm trying to watch PGA tour golf, I see commercials for how great PGA tour Golf is. Oh my God. It's incredible. Two, the music on the Pacific Life Summary. Shout out to Bruce Hornsby. And I'm the, he's coming to the Ponte Vigia concert hall. Really? Next month.

Really? Yeah, or actually this month, March. I'm so excited. I'm a huge Bruce Hornsby fan. I hate it for the Pacific Life Summary. It's so bad. Like it's just like, it just like waving a flag of like, yo, like we're outdated, we're over here.

Like someone I think it was- I think it was Jay Rig did. I think was talking about this the other day. I didn't expect to go to this Bruce Horns video. Rabbit hole, but I'm down for it. He was saying I wonder if either Bruce Hornsby, like they paid him like an upfront rate, so they just beat that song to death,

or he just gets royalties out the ass. He's like, I wonder which one it is. It's really, I don't know, it makes you think. And be going back to golf channel. The fact that they announced this on the Friday, before, Bay Hill. Bay Hill.

Yeah, it's going to be Bay Hill living in Orlando for a couple of years and working in got we worked. I worked at golf week for a couple of years and our office were right down the street from golf channel. And like Bay Hill is a big deal. It is like a while's morning drive was on the air. This meeting happened. Not.

And then we caught some slack for posting it at the end of the day. We waited five, six hours after we had our meeting happen, which is kind of like, if they want to announce that they can, but like this is, this is new. It's already disseminated throughout the company. And we've heard that there are either an exec or execs that have had their houses on the market for weeks, which is extra shitty. I think they've known about it. And I don't understand the ethics fully behind that, but those are rumors.

Who knows? I don't know any, any names. You got well, well, source rumors, if you will. Are you guys ready to do this? People have fuck those people. Fuck those people. You guys ready for a little surprise segment that I have arranged?

Sure. Um, as you guys both know, BMW is a wonderful partner of ours. Wonderful partner. Global partner of ours and a global partner of the rider cup. Are there any of our partners that are not global partners? That are just purely domestic partners. No, they're global partners of ours. Yes, global partners of ours.

The global partners of ours. I'm gonna think about that. Yeah, think about that. I've been doing a lot of traveling lately and I just realized how much I appreciate driving around in wonderful BMWs all the time. And they are a global partner of the Ryder Cup, and we are introducing this segment.

We've done a couple of these, but this is the first one where we're going back. I don't know if you guys listen to the oral histories of the Ryder Cup, we did two episodes, summer of 18. The detail to each Ryder Cup from 99, all the way through 2016. We need to get the Wayne's World Flashback noise on that board.

I don't think. Peter, did you know that we had that? So I wanna, oh, I didn't need to hit it again. Oh, so sorry. I wanna talk about. Shocked jokes really make this look a lot easier than it is. I will say we only have colors on the board.

I'm just randomly pressing buttons hoping that it's the right sound. It's like a fuchsia color though. So I just went to get a good move. We're gonna talk about the 1997 Ryder Cup. Cause I did a little research. Valderama. Valderama.

First one in continental Europe. Sevi was a captain. I think he was. He was. He was a captain. He was, wow. T.C. I will bet you don't know.

That was like the first Ryder Cup I knew what the Ryder Cup was. I'll bet you don't know that was like the first router cup. I knew what the router cup was. I'll bet you don't know What I'm about to share though. So Prior to the event Miguel on hill martine. Have you ever heard that name? No, I think that negative No, I have not he was in 10th place on the points list But he had not played since the UK British open presented by her majesty He had not played since then because of a wrist injury

So by the way We're also gonna get roasted by some European tour fans of like, oh You know Such a stuff No, they're gonna handle that really well. So legend of Salamonco Sounds like he's like the brat wetterick of Wait until you hear what they did to it. So in the game was swirling. In the final event, both Jose Maria O'Fable

and Patrick Harrington had chances to overtake Martin or Martin, I don't know, but neither succeeded. So O'Fable finished 11th in the final points and Harrington finished 12th. But because of uncertainty about Martin's fitness, the announcement of the cap inspects, the two picks, which was supposed to be immediately after the BMW international, they canceled it.

Fitness being like injury or just the injury. I was so lucky. I don't know, but he hadn't played because of a wrist injury. Play with a bunch of fat loads on our team. This is from Wikipedia that on Tuesday, Martin was given an ultimatum that he was required to play 18 holes on the following day to demonstrate that he'd be fit to play in the rider cup. What? Martin refused and was replaced by Ola Thabble who had finished next in qualifying place.

Really? Whoa. I had never heard that story. He refused. I mean, he probably must have been. Maybe he was. Oh, I'm sure he was. Yeah, it's just so good to hear.

All right, so let's say he goes out and he plays, but he plays like shit. That's why I think that I wonder what would have. So it's just like a try. Basically, he had a world ranking of 79 at the time of the writer cup. So he announced, by a stereo, announced the picks on Thursday choosing Nick Fowdo and Jesper Parnavick. And I think they did all a bubble. They have their records. I can, I have that very handy. The fact that all the thobble won the 94 masters. Fowdo went two and three. And the 94 Volvo PGA. And then by 97 was totally on a cap,

that's picked basis. The rider cup is kind of wild. Well, anyone the 99 masters again. So there's a little bit more job on the U.S. Radar Cup side only because I found this article. So, that's an unbelievable story. I'd never heard that. I, my, my, he was a little, man, he was a little guy.

Five foot six, a hundred and fifty four pounds. And that's why they didn't want to do it. Yeah, I know what I'm taking this little shrimp on our team. It was a home, it was a home. Where's he from? Spain, he's, he from? Spain. He's Spain. Oh, good.

Madrid Spain. Let it. So unbelievable. So not only did Miguel and Hal. Martín. Or sorry, Miguel. He's on a little fable kick. Jose Maria.

Oh, gotcha. Sorry. I'm. You're racist. Way down. Jose Maria won the, the Canary. And the Canaries opened. In.

Oh. In 97. 66 so I'm having trouble looking off. They don't have round by round scores there. Can we get to the US side because this is extra fun. Not really extra. That was the we already we crescendoed there. Tom Kite was the cap news 47 years old. That year he finished second at Augusta to Tiger, 10th at the UK British Open and 5th at the PGA, and he didn't pick himself. Whoa. Yeah, he didn't qualify on points. What a classic.

And he picked couples in Lee Jansen. So Ron Syrac, we can look that up. Fred Couples record was two and two, and Lee Jansen went two and one. Can I give you a little more kismet here? Sure. Miguel on Hell, Martin won in 97 at the Heineken Classic. One shot win over, Fred Cobbles.

Is that the one that they give you a lifetime of the fight behind again? That's a great question. Let me look that up. So, oh, so one in Australia. That's, I think they give you Heineken like forever. So this guy, think they give you a honeykin, like, forever. So this guy, maybe... They give true.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of in... It's kind of in... Yeah, exactly. Can we talk about Tom Kites, 1997? Sure. Like, solo second at the master's... Are your headphones working? No, I'm listening.

I'm just... No, I heard him say that. I'm gonna repeat it. It's remarkable. Solo's second in the Masters T10 at the UK British Open presented by our Masters to the Queen. Solo fit to the PJ Championship. That's fucking crazy.

It's fucking with the first shirt. Yeah. I want to go back to, I want to go back to McKenzie here. I just had to include this line. So Ron Syreck basically wrote this whole article about how Tom Kite should have picked himself. And there's a line in this article that I just I lost it.

There's another more important reason he should have been taken. He has a heart as big as his home state, Texas. Who? Tom Kite. Yeah. About Tom Kite. It's like, that's the most 1997 written thing I've ever seen. Can we get Tom Kite on the pod?

I hope you can. It's a answer for not picking himself. Tyger put it in the water on 17 on Saturday. Very cool. If you watch the replay that, it looks like he was trying to do it. The ball is accelerating as it goes into the water. There's nothing in the whole world. That's my first Ryder Cup memory.

There's nothing in the world that makes me happy that Winston would put it in the whole world. That's my first Ryder Cup memory. There's nothing in the world that makes me happier than what someone puts in the world. I've always seen it in person like twice, shout out to Solid, did it once. It is like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's time to go. It was Atlantic Beach. It was like, maybe my fourth or fifth time

ever playing with a professional. First time I ever played with Luke Guthrie and Justin Hubert. I was a little bit nervous, and I buried the first hole, and then I hit the green with a professional. First time I ever played with Luke got three and Justin Hubert. I was a little bit nervous and I buried the first hole and then I hit the green with a three iron on the second hole and I'm like, I'm gonna shoot the course record. Luke's a very intimidating player to play with. He is so proper.

He doesn't, except for off the tee, he'll just hit a foul ball with the driver once while, but he never misses a putt inside of 20 feet. Like, you think everything's gonna go inside 20 feet. And then all of his irons, they're the proper shape, the proper height, the proper tempo, everything. It's, he's a proper ass player. Anyways, I putt in the water on the very second hole.

So, US was down 10 and a half to five and a half going into singles and they lost by one. They won eight of the matches. Cat win, one three and one is first rider. Seriously, can we get kite on? I mean, I'm working on it. Listen first. I just, like, I tried to limit the boomer.

We've had a lot of boomers like this. People seem to like the boomers. They do like the boomers. The boomers have takes. We got on Hell Martine. Never played a US Open, never played a PGA, never played a Master's. You play a rider cup.

How about that? You didn't want to take the boomer? You didn't play a rider cup. You got kicked out. You got kicked out. You know, in my boat, he day played a rider. He refused to play the game. He wasn a writer cup. How about that? You didn't want to take the boat in play a writer cup. He got kicked out. You got kicked out. You know, in my boat, he day play a writer. He refused to play the game. He wasn't going to play there.

He was just shrinked. You know, sink to their level. Come high on 19 times. Can you imagine that happening today? Like, oh, yeah, you got to play for your right. Like, can you go back practice around? So sick. Oh, god, I can't wait to see you.

I think that would be cool. It's kind of in line with my 12 captains picks thing. Oh, for. Just like, approve it. Yeah. Go make them make them earn it. Thus ends my list. Well, I know they got to earn it with points, but that's not what I mean. Thus ends our look at the 1997 writer. Wow. Thank you for going on this ride with me. That was delightful. And then we got to, we got to check off before we, uh, we call it a night here. I think that's about it. Straight up, I'd never heard of the guy that won the corn fairy. The corn fairy. Corn fairy is, yeah, we got to re familiarize

ourselves with some of the names of the tour this year. Speaking of, it was only a six star. He played P.J.'s for China last year. He never played any other tournaments before that. Speaking of the corn fairy tour, shout out to Albin Choi, who was cadding for Sun Jae-in. That was unbelievable. He was like a stud, man. He played on Golf Canada,

national team. Played at NC State was really good and he's played the corn fair for like four years. So he shot out Wolfpad. I don't know if he's totally hanging it up or what, but that was kind of wild to see him catch a big check on the bag. One final shout out before Great Weekend this past weekend for McKinsey Hughes. Shot 66, 66 on the weekend. So with that, let's wrap it up. You're a bad guy. Thanks everybody for tuning in and everybody have a great week. Jews.

Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different.