No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 287: Bay Hill Recap with Matt Every

Episode Date: March 9, 2020

Tyrrell Hatton wins the Arnold Palmer Invitational, and Matt Every joins us to break down the week at Bay Hill, his 65-83, his success there, and a lot more. We discuss Hatton's antics, why it's fun to watch him play, Leish, Sungjae, and everything else from the week in golf. Matt also discusses the Big Break, the 11 he made at the Honda Classic (and why), marijuana, and so much more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast Sunday night here in the Kill House doing a recap of the Arnold Palmer invitational TC is here. I'm enthused. Great tournament this weekend. We're very excited.

Back from New York coming from up North for back for extended period of time here for the players. Mr. We're very excited. Back from New York, coming from up North, for back for extended period of time. Here for the players, Mr. Neil Schuster. The snowbirds back, TC and I had a delightful day on the couch watching the golf tournament this morning. What is the zoo? Took Friday to the zoo. It's been a great day. And you know, I mistakenly called it

the Arnold Palmer Invitational, but a lot of people do call it the Matt Every Invitational. And he's here to recap this past week. Mr. Matt Every. It's like the weekend off tovitational and he's here to recap this past week. Mr. Matt Every. It's like the weekend off to be here. It's good to be here, guys. Well, I'd be remiss if we didn't start this whole show the right way by, of course, paying tribute.

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All right, let's go straight into Bay Hill. I think we can sit here and talk about what it looked like to play in these conditions on television, but let's turn it over to Matt. Compare and contrast Bay Hill, how it played this year versus previous years. I think it got a little colder over the weekend. That does a lot of things. I mean, it makes it the course longer, the greens faster, firmer, the win was up, the rough was, I mean, the rough was worse than usual.

Yeah, I mean, like that shot Bryson hit today on 18 is, it is so ridiculous. I didn't understand that. I can't believe he hit that. I really can't. I don't care what it, like there's no, it looked dark green where he was. I could see if it was burnt out and still would be a hell of a shot. But like it just, I don't know, it was super hard. It was super hard.

Well, we have a bunch of questions we gotta get to, but first one, this just, this made me laugh. I believe his name's Matt Ward, he just asked, or M Ward 2002 to say, Matt, what happened there? Yeah. Yeah. First round leader. What's talking about the good for you?

Let's talk about the good. It was, I had a, it was a great day for me. First round 65 on Thursday. Yeah, I made a few longputs. I really didn't make any, like I made like three bombs, but then other than that, it was, I felt awful over the putter to be honest, like awful. And, how does that work?

It just does. 65 feeling awful over the putter. Yeah, I mean, I don't mind saying I'll believe you. I just like, how do you make it? I tapped in on 10, I tapped in on 12, I tapped, I two putted from like 12 feet on 16. It just, it just float. Is it just hitting greens and kind of a lot?

Well, you can feel awful over it and shake them in too. Well, that's what, but so everyone listening to this has the understanding of like playing really well one day and playing very poorly the next day and like not being able to figure it out. Well, what's that like for a Tor Pro in that scenario? So it was the smoothest 83. It really was.

Like, I never once kind of lost my cool. I really never felt rattled to be honest either. I was playing hard. It was just as windy as it was the day before, with a different direction, maybe a little colder. And you miss a couple of fairways there by two yards and it's a penalty, especially going into the win. Greens are firm and I fell off over the putter

and it showed like I didn't, I don't think I made anything. My longest putt was probably three feet honestly, and that the whole day. And 10, I hit a tree it kicks backwards out of bounds. 11, I was just an idiot and tried to press one into a front flag and rents it. And then next thing you know, like should have

in Cinezute 83. But you didn't walk off feeling that different about how you played. Didn't feel 18 shots worse, I assume. Oh no, no way, no way. My mind was different for sure. I was disappointed, but I didn't feel like, man, my game's lost. I've had my game lost before.

I know what it's like. It's not even close. So how different, and on how well you remember what your mindset was, when we, you came on the pot of right this week like three years ago and how do how different is your game now compared to that time period? Uh well I have a lot more belief in myself now for sure. That was a pretty open honest raw. I mean I think I specifically remember a bunch of people reaching out saying man like that's

that was super open and honest and shockingly so, as far as just being lost with the driver. Yeah, it is a terrible feeling. I'm not even close like zero out of 100. Yeah, well, I think it must have been therapeutic because at the time you said something like, I don't wanna say it, but I don't wanna know if I wanna call it that,

but I had full-bone driver Yips. Yeah, and I've had buddies that have them now. And it's tough to watch, man, and it just ruins the game because you can't get off the tee. Well, some of you also said on that podcast, which was, I don't remember the exact quote, but somebody tweeted it out this week of, I don't give a fuck about missing cuts. Yeah. How do you still feel the same way?

A little bit. Well, a little bit. I would, you know, obviously, in order to win, you have to make the cut. But I do wish I could be a little more consistent, for sure. But I just don't think I have that in me, man. I really don't, I don't think I'm made up that way. I feel you. I think so. Yeah, so it's have that in me, man. I really don't, I don't think I'm made up that way. I feel you.

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so it's almost like accepting it, really. Well, you give a really interesting press conference answer this week when talking about the 11 you made at Honda. For those that didn't listen, I'm wondering if you could just run that back, kind of what, how you ended up making the 11th Honda, why you did, and what you got out of that. Sure. Um, well, when I'm not, when I'm swinging well, I'm on top of the ball and, and I can, I'm pretty good with my irons when it's, when it's good.

And I hit kind of a nice, a nice fade when I'm not swinging well. The club head gets inside my hands a little and it's just tough to fade it from there. And, uh, so right to left wind, especially if there's any kind of strength in it, is a problem. Because in my mind, I'm still hitting cuts, even though I'm not cutting it right now, I'm gonna do that, because I know that's what I should do. So, when we got to that hole, I think we probably had like four holes. I was finishing on nine, and I was way gonna miss the cut. And it was a back left pin and I was trying to hit the shot

just like I would hit it any other time, hold five iron, back up into it and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't do it but I was gonna do it till I did it. And because I already, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because I already know I can skank one out to the right and get up and down or not get up and down. What I'm not going to learn anything from that.

Right. So you can only simulate these situations so many times. So it just took me five times. And but that's like we can sit there and look at the shot tracker. And if you don't have the video, we can be like, oh man, every, he must have thrown his clubs in the play. No, I can't, I can't get fine again. So like my, I'm serious.

So like my attitude is, as changed a little bit because I can't like, I don't think I have a anger issue at all. Like I do get mad when I get mad, but it's just to get it out, right? Right, it is to get it out. Why can't you get fine again? Because I've been fine so many times. What's the count at? It's a lot. I mean, it is to get it out. Why can't you get fine again? Because I've been fine so many times. What's the count at? It's a lot.

I mean, it's a lot. It's not good. One hand, two hands. Is it kind of like when you get fine a certain amount of time, it goes up. So no matter what the infraction, you are in a different tax bracket when it comes to the fun.

I think it matters like the length of the throw. All right, you know, something like that. They take into, yeah, I think I'm a little more. If it's the same, if it's the same, I'm gonna I think. I think I'm the lord. If it's the same, it's the same. I'm gonna get my money's worth. Yeah, far. The hubs are going too far these days.

It's constantly my money in five. It is. Yeah, so, no, like when that, that 11 happened, I was, I bet you my heart rate was the same the whole time. It just, I'm not worried about if I shoot 77 or 81. It's, I feel you're there. No, that makes, that makes total sense. I feel like, and it's not me quitting either. It really isn't. It really isn't. It's kind of, it's kind of the opposite of creating. You're trying to get something out of it. I am, because there's next week, and

this week's done, it sucks it's done, but it is. Because I feel like where you're 32, 33? 36. I'm not even close. I feel like at this point in your career, I was listening back to our episode and you said you were 33, that's why I had that in my head. But I feel like in this point in your career, especially you've seen so much, you've experienced so much

that it's not life or death on a week to week basis. And nothing surprises me anymore. Like nothing surprises me anymore. It's not, yeah. That's interesting. Can we talk about pebble? Sure. Cause you were right in the mix.

You were right in the thick of it last month. 76, 66, 68. I remember you were final day. Sunday at pebble, you buried the first two. Yeah, I was rolling. And I'm like, man, he's gonna fucking win this. I felt so good. I felt so good.

I should, three, I hit two really good shots and missed a, you know, maybe a 15 footer four. I missed like a 12 footer or two really good shots. I was dialed and then on eight, I just, somebody was like talking in my swing. It was, I'm not making excuses, but it was really that. You could say that. It's okay to have it as you say. It was, I think.

I'm like, I promised, like, if I pull a putt, I pull a putt. But it was, the timing of it was awful. And I hit this quick hook off the tee and I got, and it's blowing so hard and it's cold, so that winds even heavier. I got like 220 in off the left. I actually thought I hit a pretty decent shot and I was so far back you couldn't see where the green, you couldn't see the green. So like when my ball was flying I was like walking up.

It kept your flying shot as it was much less if you can't see the green. And it just kind of peeled a little too much. I thought I was going to go in the bunker and it went into the crap and then triple. And then it just played really hard after that, man. It was kind of the same thing. Like for some reason when the greens, I'm having an issue with my putter right now when greens get really fast.

I feel like it's always too heavy. So like if I have a 10 footer and it's downwind and downhill, I feel like the putters are too heavy now and I can't even take it back because it's, like when we were growing up, putters were like C swing weights. And now they're heavier and I think they say they're heavier because the M-O-I, it's more forgiving now. But I think that science is based, I mean,

kind of for hacks or whatever. I don't think it's more forgiving. But I think that science is based, I mean, kind of for hacks or whatever. I don't think it's for us. And I don't know, maybe there's something to that. So I might try something like as light as I can get this week. But it's an issue for me. It was an issue for me there a big time because I would have like six footers and a swear to God. I'm already, I was already thinking about the next one.

Really? Yeah. Like not having a next one. Really? Yeah. Like not having a next one. Is it specific to the greens you've been playing recently? Do you think, or I mean, is that a normal thing on tour? I feel like, especially the last few weeks, the wind has baked out these greens, and it's just,

I mean, I didn't play, obviously, I didn't play this weekend, but Friday, even Thursday too. I mean, those greens were so fast. They were so fast. I do not want to compare contrast this to tightly to the mid-Amp terminate play a couple weeks ago in Tampa, but it was 48 degrees blowing 15 to 20. Yeah. And once I got to, I hit the, I hit the ball totally fine to be honest. Once I got on the greens, the five footers, I changed, I didn't feel like I was hitting putts. You know what I mean? I'm just like,

well, yeah, I was thinking about not running it back. Yeah, it just was a stroke of it. It was eye opening to me how I didn't have exposed how I was on how to make putts in the wind and how important. I never really understood that challenge until that moment. So you're saying there's something to that. That makes me feel a lot better. Going back to anybody that you quit at Honda, you birdied your last hole. I did.

I had some nice, I was sick. I was sick. Well, I want to pick back up with, that was sick. That was a nice hole, it was nice. Well, I want to pick back up with, we have a lot more questions to ask you. I want to talk a little bit about what happened, how it finished, but I really want you to kind of weigh in here on what you saw and how you saw in that final round.

Before we do that, we should mention Therohaton one, the Arnold Palmer Invitational, but if you didn't catch the exciting finish as well on the European tour in the commercial bank cutter masters, you missed the tour's longest playoff in six years. It was a feature, a pair of Callaway guys duking it up. Jorge Campio eventually edged out David Drysdale on the fifth sudden death playoff hole. He made his third birdie on the same hole in the overtime session.

It's 513 yard par four. I watched the replay because I had six or seven people reach out. Like, yo, did you see that playoff, man? I mean, both of them, Bernie and the first two playoff holes, just stuff in it. I mean, Campio made like three different 30 footers in the playoff. He's got a full bag of cowboy clubs, including the jaws. MD5 wedges, Maverick Sub Zero, Fairway Woods. We heard Eric Van Royen talk about those. Some local favorites around here, I think, are in on the Maverick Three Wood as well.

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So, Tyrell Hatton, How well do you know Tyrell meant? Not well. No. Well, that by the love of him. You can relate to him. Well, he's mental like me. So, I was telling these guys, I feel like naturally attracted to those kind of people. God, that was fun to watch.

How do the finds work? Well, he just get a, what, wait, did he do something bad today? He flipped off for a while. He flipped off for a while. He gave it up you like a, after he doubled on what was behind the water? He hit it directly in the water on 11. Like there was no bad break.

Yeah, yeah. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around.

And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. And it turns around. It points in the water and fires and then does like a low to the ground middle finger at the water Like dude if you hit it in the wall like there's certain say if you hit it if you go like a a bunker But there's a ton of sand you can't get it out I understand like a little You at the bunker, but you you can just hit it in the water

We gotta talk I mean just the best was the up yours like I haven't seen that I think that's a signature move though. It was great before. Yeah, it was a real blow. He didn't think anybody was watching. You're the leader. We were hoping to an Opus Day kind of thing. Because he's very, he's always,

do you think he thinks man, these cameras around me all the time? Well, he may not, that's all he cares. Yeah, maybe he doesn't care. Maybe he's not used to that. I don't know, I know for me, I would reel me in a little bit.

Oh, the camera's being on you would be less fun. Well, maybe because of my fine situation. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how it works for him. He seems to play it up. The more he's in contention, the more he's ready for the contest. He's not a member. He's not a PGA-tort member. I'm pretty sure he is.

He will be now. He is. The way I can tell is always He will be now. He is. Okay, well, the way I can tell is always on the leaderboard Scott, if you have a projected standing in there, that means you are a member. So he did have a projected standing and he was, he moved all the way up to 14th in the race.

The season long race for the FedEx Cup. That guy's a bulldog, though, man. He is good. He's a great, great player. Yeah. And he is extremely tough. I, it's just like, people are getting all upset. Some's a great, great player. Yeah. And he is extremely tough. I just, it's just like, people are getting all upset. Some people get really annoyed by that.

Like a lot of golf fans, especially on Twitter, just if you show any kind of weird quirks, give me a set. I'm way in. His emotion to me is not whiny. So, it's, no, it's like, it's pissed off. Like he gets, he like beats himself up. It's kind of inward.

Yeah, yeah, it's not like, like I think he also wants, you know what I'm saying? Like, Bob is blaming someone else. He's blaming, I mean, okay, that's fair. There's probably some wanting. But my point, it just feels a lot more hostile and I, it feels more relatable for me at least. It doesn't feel odd.

It feels very, really more aggressive. Aggressive, yeah, exactly. Which I'm like, yeah. So Neil, Neil, can you take us through your Opus Day? Yeah, so basically, Terrell is a founding member of golf's version of Opus Day, which is from the movie The Da Vinci Code, or I guess the damn brown book first,

where the priest kinda self-flagelates, is that the right word? Yes, I believe so. Okay. It's risky, but yes, it's right. Yes, so I think we, do you see now we're talking about some power rankings? So we pulled my list here. Rob's up there.

Well, Rob was number one. To Rob, just straight up, not. Yeah, like, you know, he's a volcano. And so to Rob, I think takes number one now, just based on like, recency bias. Sergio's a Hall of Fame member. Like he's been on the list for years and years. Chorzl, TC and I saw him at the players actually on the range

after his round. I've seen him lose it. He was yelling at him. Like, gap wedges and just going nuts on himself. And his caddy's just like on his like, not like on his phone. Like, he's just like, oh, regular day at the office. Yeah. who else would you put on the list, Matt? Well any South African really and yes They're animals are the most fun people to hang out with sure. I've also got Thomas Peters. Yes He's a I mean, he's got the club break it true club breaking over your knee

Yeah, which is another one where we're very aggressive right? I like that on the course Yeah, I think we're out of the statute of Did you get a fine for that? Oh, nothing Patrick Reed is gotta be on there for his break at Pebble I didn't have one of this but that's a good that's a good addition Matt Wallace of T.C.'s Mike Wallace and then I've got Some kind of I think Bryson's opus day. I think Who is sneaky beat himself up Seaboo Kim really really? Yes

Yes, he gets down on himself. He yes, okay Watch out for this. We'll put him on put him on alert. I love it. Hadecki I think is kind of quietly You know, he's always disgusting. He's always like, you know, one handed follow through. You know, it's not as, maybe not as visual. We were talking, Boba. Boba's not Opus Day, because he plans everybody else. He doesn't plan himself.

Yes. Which is not the kind of emotion I speak. I think it's not count either then. I think speed is more of a disciple. Like he follows the teachings, but he's more verbal, right? He doesn't, he doesn't physically, you know, says no physical penance. Hadn't at one point was hitting himself.

Yeah, literally hitting himself with his putter. And then I've got Tiger, Tiger used to be, I hope to say, maybe not quite as much, but he used to beat himself up pretty good. Tiger, yeah. And then we talked about Billy Ho, Billy Horseshoe, real, real admiral, Billy Ho. So honorably discharged from the pitch.

Honorably, honorably. I think it was honorably. Honorably. I don't know exactly what happened, but. Honorably. Yeah. So that's what I've got. So I'll add, see who came.

Anybody else we should be on alert for, over stay wise. Who's, that's a little, that's a different way. Who is top three most interesting guys? If guys were mic'd up, if every tour player was mic'd up, who would you want to watch on TV the most? Cause I said, Hadden was one of them. Yeah, I probably would pick him. Interesting.

I mean, most guys that I know, like I already know him, maybe someone I want to find something out about. Who would we find most entertaining? The maybe people wouldn't think of right away. Like I don't know if I'd want to listen to like, Ram, I don't know, that'd be pretty entertaining. I think like Damon, Joel Damon seems like a good dude. Like he's got some, like he'd be fun to have Mike up,

like to have, I'd love to listen to, I think Rory just because Rory doesn't want to talk about golf all the time. And then I think Bryson just, because I think it was so full of shit. Like it, it's, I would like to listen to time. Yeah. And then I think Bryson just because I think it's so full of shit. I would like to listen to it. Yeah. Yeah. Bryson, if he was miked up, would play it up even worse. It's like performance. Are you see that clip from the third day of Friday when he missed a pot low, I think on 16 and he's it's a one and a half percent slope. I did see a video of him doing a track man on like his practice round every shot.

Oh no no, he's got a guy. He's got a guy that goes ahead and like prepares the track man on the next hole or it's a different version of that. That's not the way you play golf. I just couldn't, I couldn't, I don't think anybody does that. I heard a story too that he was, you know, like they went ahead and they set it up from like 165 in the fairway for him. They had a practice shot and he comes,

he's like, yeah, let's go over here. And like went over five yards to the right and five yards up. And he said, they got to reset it. They got to reset it. They got to recalibrate it. And the towel guys got to get set. The two guys, the shade.

I think I need to take it. Oh, it's so entertaining. Have you played with Bryson? I think so. I'm not sure where, but I'm pretty sure I have. I think I might have played with him in Vegas last year. I'm not sure. I think I have played with him.

I've watched him hit balls. I've asked him a couple questions. I'm all right with Bryson. Pick up some literature. When you ask him a question about something, is he just light up and just wanted... Yeah, yeah, man. I think he's like that.

I'm gonna tell you all about it. I think he's totally willing to share information I've heard from other guys too like that I've asked him how he gained his you know Put on the weight and he's told them Can we just definitively say it's work I guess working for him The like putting on the weight and hitting it for well it's a 18 which yeah, so I'm saying I think it's gonna open some doors like the last few weeks hasn't even been a great test case for Because it's been more about

Accuracy and you know distance control versus just raw distance. So like it's gonna he's gonna crush it in the summer when I'm Parting park. Yeah, that could be a very good match up for him if we play there We got some inside info. Conspiracy about it. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. Where are the rumors circulating anywhere on tour about event cancellations? Or I'm assuming you're referring to the corona. I mean, I don't I doubt it. I saw the NBA said something else weekend about I don't see events getting canceled. I could see fanless events. I don't think I don't see events getting canceled. I could see fanless events. I don't see any reason to cancel the events. Yeah, I could be wrong there, but I'd be stunned if there were.

I mean, you guys are flying private anyway. You know, you guys. You know, you pro guys, come on. SungJ today made a run for it. What do you finish? How many shots back, two shots back? Leesh had a, Leesh has had exciting, he's exciting Sundays. He was, what, 10 out of 10 out of the bunkers

this week? Or something like that? I mean, he's getting up, he's getting up and down out of the bunkers a lot more, he's hitting fairways. That's a lot of work. Leesh is exhausting to root for. Like, not to interrupt, but sporting an NLU towel. Yeah, small shop. You know, check us out. The oranges and they have the orange and black. I felt like leash, even when he won at Torrey, I felt, I mean, he's putting really well. I missed a couple of the day that I felt like he probably, he made some puts.

He made some really, really big putts. Like the one on, it's so hard to make putts. 16, that stuff. That stuff. But the one, the one shot I think he wishes he had back was that the drive on three that he rinsed. Just right off the tee left, but bounce back, birdie on four.

Like I feel like he's playing well without his A game. But then did he bogey five or six? Bogey six, which wasn't great. Bogey eight and then birdie nine and then birdie 12. So he was right there. Shot 73 on a tough day. That was 74 was probably part of that.

I think I just want to call out. I know it's, you know, cap and obvious over here, but number six is awesome. Like that whole, I just, I love it. Like I think the way that they said. Which way was the wind today? It was down off the town. And Vory took the most agro line of all time.

Vory possibly could have driven the green today. He drove it through the fairway and it went 348. And like the carry from that T-Box on like Google Earth to the front of the green is 340. Okay, but if you go on the other end, it's a different win than now. And that's for sure matter. Yeah, I can imagine so.

And there's so little reward I think for doing that. He made double so he could have tried it. Yeah Um, it is just it is so hard. I guess is there ever a wind that would make sense for him to go even further left than he did I don't know if you saw it, but uh, I think he could have covered way more space on the left. I think he was upset They thought he was upset because the announcer said like he hit it too. Oh, that might be too far left I think he was upset because he too far right. It was too far right. Yeah, he cut said like he hit it too, oh, that might be too far left. I think he was upset because he, too far right. It was too far right. Yeah, he cut right.

Yeah, he didn't, it was the wrong line the other way. So Bay Hill, I do not think it is a great golf course. I don't, I've played it once. I don't, I'm fine if I never played it again. But weirdly still, I'm, I'm struggling with this today. I'm like, I'm having fun watching this tournament. This is extremely entertaining tournament golf. And I feel like either a course has to be absolutely excellent

and almost flawless and have a pro event on to be really entertaining. Like the next tier of just like solid courses don't always produce good golf. But then there's this whole other brand of tournament golf is interesting at this place. And I think Bay Hill is one of them. Is that fair?

I think so. I think it's something where you gotta hit good irons. You can't fake it around there, right? Oh, yeah, that's for sure. That's for sure, fair. Yeah. That's the two-time winner. Yeah.

No, but I was texting with my buddy today too about how much, you know, I really don't watch a lot of golf, but like the Florida swing is special to me. I mean, I grew up here and I enjoy watching the Florida swing. If I miss the cut, I will watch it, like, especially at the end on Sunday. And it is, the theater is awesome in the Florida swing. I don't know if it's the way it's presented or what, but like, in the water thing too, is like Bay Hill has

like water hazards, sometimes create memories or, yes, you know what I mean? I totally it does so much and I know it doesn't make it the best course But it does so much for like coming down the stretch. You never know what's gonna happen if there's wind like this Especially I mean when there's not wind like that 11th hole doesn't strike fear in anybody I mean the pros are so good that from greens from greens plus rough Plus wind is is maximum entertainment. Well, I'd add to that. I think that water creates iconic shots, like going to six or 18.

But I do it. I do it so much. I give NBC credit. I feel like I saw every important shot in number six and every important shot in number 18, two holes where like they're kind of majestic looking with the water and it's like a lot of risk reward stuff going on. It's not as much strategy as it is just truly, truly risk reward and what I'm biting off.

Yes, it's the second up. Bryson shot into 18 today was, and like, Leisha's had some shot into 17. Yep, hadn't shot into 17, but Leisha shot into 18 too. I mean, it was kind of like, all right, how hard do I want to go at this? But there's not, yeah, it's not a ton of really.

It's such a hard shot. Yes. Leish actually did the right thing and people might not think that, but I would have hadn't have to do what he did. Yeah. I mean, and he did it. So, yeah, it's just not, that's not, yeah, it's not, well, you can't just fire it. It's not, it's so, it's fire the flag into and off the right.

Yeah, and you don't know how much is it really hurting, how much is it really fire the flag into an off the right. Yeah, and you don't know how much is it really hurting How much is it really you know really off the right? It could be a little more off the right and you think or a little more hurt and you think and it could make all the Difference in the world. It seemed like it was swirling a lot today too Hatten on 18 was totally confirmed that happened to Bizzadenhout on the front nine bones was calling it He's like he was really uncomfortable and then as he got over it, the wind shifted from down to off his right, and Bones like, this wind shifted on him. This is gonna be short, and it came up short.

It was really good commentary, I thought. My friend Jobfick had a point, earlier today, tweeted about how a whole like six is actually getting better with distance increases because it's bringing, in tough conditions, you know, in tough conditions, it's truly a three-shot par-five. But now that guys are hitting it so much farther, it's, you know, much more of a risk reward second shot. And you can actually, you feel like you're giving up a shot if you're not going for it. Yeah, one to add to your point that you made at the beginning where it's

like, you know, I don't know if I'm never played by Hill, but it's like, yeah, I'll take her leave it as like, of course you want to play on your bucket list. But like a good example, like 17, like I look at that T-shot and I'm like, wow, that looks extremely hard. Like I know it's hard, I don't want it, but it's not like a beautiful looking hole. It's just like, but look at all that sand up there.

And look what these guys are dealing with. You were right about the thing. I played the Pro-M with Sam Saunders a couple of years ago and we got to 17 and I was like, you know, I never been here before but I kind of thought it'd be a little bit tougher. It's a hard hole. I thought about the course.

He's like, I thought it'd be a little tougher. I mean, we're playing like white teas for the amateurs. He goes, what'd you say? And I was like, I don't know. I know what you mean. From further back, it's tougher, blah, blah. He's like, no, no, come back here. Come back here.

And he made us go back to the 17th tee, like where it goes in between a couple of houses and like look at, he's like, look at that shot. Now do this like 18 times. I was like, oh, okay, you brought it. We're like, we're like crosswinded from green. 17, I didn't meet it that way. That's a shot though.

Okay, cool. Was it 205 today, 210 today? Yeah. We're too talk to back right, pan like, yeah, yeah, like I'm good. I don't know. That pan wasn't even back. That pan was like in the middle of the green. And the balls rolling out 50 feet.

Well, it's, I'd imagine. Was it back right today? It was. Yeah, somewhat back. Because Lee should have left the left back left. It wasn't in that finger in the back right. No, no, it wasn't that. You're right.

One thing I, as I'm watching this, there's so many shots we watch today that I felt like there's literally no chance of hitting the ball close to the hole from where these guys were on a lot of them. And I love when it's watching firm conditions, but mostly when it's like links golf, those golf courses are designed for you to be able to play run-up shots or like you go you have to create an angle to use fairway and bayhil is not designed with like hey here's your landing area to get it close here. So I think it's entertaining still to watch pros hit shots that are like I truly believe that possible. I mean so 15 the approaching to 15 today where hadn't yeah like there's just no stopping the ball. I mean I know happens in the rough. It is possible. You gotta land around the front.

Yeah, but like so many of those shots were, yeah, you land around the front, you just can't hold it. And it's gonna go through despite how good you hit it. I still think it's more entertaining than just like, hey, plop it right here. But I think there's something to be said for how hard a target golf course like Bay Hill plays

when it's firm. It's different than just firm in the, and the, Well, parts truly a good score. The other thing too is it puts such a, the fairways are wider there than most weeks probably, but it puts such a premium on hitting it in the fairway because you can't play that course out of the rough.

I mean, you can get lucky a couple of times, but you can't play out of the rough there. I thought Leesha's drive on 15, that three-wood that he hit, was sick. It was like a spinning three-wood hole. Like he had their way. Yeah, taking a balloon and a little bit. Whereas, whereas, hadn't had driver hit what looked like a perfect drive, and there was no way it was going to hold the fairway,

ran out through into the rough. Right, but that's one where there's a runway. I mean, it's, you know, the greens built up a little, but there's a runway between the bunkers where it was okay to be in the rough there. It's not always like that. Right. Every hole there. Yeah. AJ, AJ Willie WX asked, do you prefer minus four or minus 20 winning PGA tour events? I'm not sure if this is directed to you, but we'll go to Matt first on that. I would rather minus four, just as a fan. I think if you can, depending on conditions, let's just say we have perfect conditions

all week, like minimal wind, average rough, whatever, 12 under would be the max, probably four under would be the minimum for where I would like it, but definitely closer to four than 20. What about you guys? So, I would say minus four as well. And I think some of the excitement today was, instead of it being, you know, a birdie shootout, it was like, there's a bogey waiting around every corner. Yes.

It's like, I'm not a guy. I'm not a guy. They're gonna get killed here. This is awesome. I thought Bryce didn't have a chance to win when he made that. Yeah, I can't talk to him. You're like, I think he did.

And it's like, all these guys are gonna come back to these, just finishing up on 18. This is great, you know? So that, that, it's like excitement on the other end of the spectrum. And I feel like we don't get a lot of that on the PJ Tour these days. I feel like it's just a fresh thing.

This is gonna sound, I'm admittedly dumb, but like it almost seems at times too easy to win. Like when guys have a two shot lead, I don't fear that they're gonna give it back. But today it was like, I do not know who's gonna win this tournament and that is drama to me. I'm sure that statistically doesn't necessarily hold up, but I hate to keep banging this drum.

No, you do not. Whatever you're about to bang, you do not hate it all. I go back to the Lanto Griffin when it used to be. Oh, this is so cool. Banging it down the right, not even having to take anything on and just making an easy

bogey on the 18th hole. And it's like there's no downside if the greens are soft. Yes, you can always recover. You can always doesn't punish you for being at a position as much. I would say the tour for

the most part does a pretty good job with letting the conditions dictate the scoring. I mean, they'll water it at times and soften it. you know, if they need to, but I don't want it minus four winning if the conditions aren't like they are today.

Like, if you have to manipulate, of course, so badly when there's no wind and like four enders going to win, that's going to be a disaster. Yeah. I don't know what you'd have to do to do it, but it wouldn't be fun. You know, it's interesting about that I love Lanto, by the way, and I'm trying to decide to kind of know what you're talking about. I kind ofanto, by the way, and I

Toronto decided I kind of know I kind of know what you're talking to. I didn't really watch his win. I think I was actually playing that day. But what's interesting, but what's interesting, what's interesting about that is the tour could I know what you're talking about where you can just, you can, you can hit it so far right on that hole and be fine, but that's like the parking lot over there. They can move the out of bound stakes. Yes. That hole should, that would be a hard ass drive-in hole

if you had to hit that fairway under the gun. Yeah, really hard. So it goes back to a couple of years ago, we were at Atlantic Beach, or a web tour championship, and we're talking about it and like yeah, you know, this is bullshit These guys can just blow it right off the tee Yeah, blow it right in the second shot and then get a drop from the grandstands right and you know Have a really benign chip up and make and make birdie

Yeah, and I think that that's part of it too We talked about it a little bit last week, where, you know, if you do hit it behind some grandstands, like, you should have to play it back into the stadium. Yeah. That brings up a topic near and dear to my heart, temporary, and movable object. OK.

What's your stance on the free drop from the line of sight relief? I think if it's in, I don't know. I mean, I thought it's bullshit. It probably is. It probably is, but I mean, it's in, I don't know. I mean, I think it probably is. It probably is, but I mean, it's part of the tour in Grand Stans. And if it's, okay, I'll say this, if it's intentionally, I'm not okay with like guys,

say you're in the rough and you got like a heat or lie and it's all carry and there's a grandstand right behind the green and the water. Sure. Yeah, but and you can just be like, well, I'm just gonna take one extra and gas it And it's all carry and there's a grandstand right behind the green like the water short Yeah, but and you can just be like well I'm just gonna take one extra and gas it into that grandstand like I think that's that sucks. Yeah, and but It probably happens going back to the setups. Yeah, you think You know just talking to guys yesterday today Thursday like you know

Almost every guy that came through scoring was like, those bullshit, that setup was unfair, like, fuck this man. And like, that to me kind of rings at the core of this of like, what do you do if you're the tour, if all of your constituents are saying, this sucks, we want it to be easier. A lot of your fans are saying that was awesome. Where do you, where does that leave them? Well, I didn't play today. So I don't like, it's easy for me to sit here and say that was awesome for me to, it was awesome for me to watch and it would have been hard as hell.

It was hard as hell out there, but it was doable. I mean, I'm like the two yesterday, doubled the last and shot two under. I mean, it's, it was possible. It is possible. It's Patrick shot. What did he shoot today? Four. It looked like they moved a couple of teas up today. At least a little bit. The pins were not in especially hard places today. I didn't think they set it up especially hard as the conditions were just that tough. They didn't have a bunch of front pins on downwind holes or anything like that. Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's annoying. If it it's Patrick shot shot 300 today with a double on 17.

Oh, that's pretty good. So it was out there. What would I forget? Sorry, somebody asked this, but I don't oh, here it is. Chris Rosel at Gap Golf, realistically, what would a scratch player have shot out there this weekend? I know you weren't there this weekend. Like this weekend, like at two days score.

Yeah, or one in one round of golf, either one of those days, but with a scratch player Max said it somebody would shoot 130 not a scratch player But I think it would be I think if you got it eight in front of it, it would be good. Yeah, I really do I believe that because if you're keeping you know, I Know you know you know you know I could have shot that looks not it's not how Three footers were toughs right yeah 11. I would have shot that. It's not, it's not how we're, there's three footers, we're top. Right, yeah. 11, I would still be playing, I'm pretty sure. I don't have a shot that could stop in play.

That's an, a weirdly underrated part of that hole is how many guys were like close to going, they went over cart pass. Cart pass come close on this golf course in a lot of places. And gosh, when it's firm and you gotta aim and near the cart pass, that's scary as hell because cart path means OB.

So Can we talk about sunjay sure? What a dog man. I mean, he's a stud. He's so good back of the ball every time no side spin I mean, it's just unbelievable just heavy ball. Yes. Have you played with him or watching? I play with him. Yeah, one of my buddies can't inform for a while And I remember when I played with him he shot like four under and it was like he left seven out there and my buddy's counting for him for a while. And I remember when I played with him, he shot like four under and it was like he left seven out there and my buddy was like, dude, he does this shit every day, like every day. Super. Full blow of five under and gets nothing out of it.

Full blow. Super. Yeah, I think so for sure. It wouldn't be fair if that guy was like a great putter. It wouldn't be. I mean, it's it's so good. He made some, he made some positive. Yeah. He's probably one of the ones today. I know I saw a stat where he's like four of 16 greens or something like that. Yeah. Go on to 17, but I'm telling you that

guy hits it really nice. Well, I also like to call out his shirt game is very strong or the same shirt. It was a nice piece. He was a son day. Annie wore it at Honda. Oh, same. I love that. I love that. I know. This Sunday, Annie wore it at Honda. It was. Same Sunday. I love that. I love that. I know. I wish he bring back the Nelly bandaid

from the president's cuff, though, that he had on his ear. Oh, yeah. I remember that. I know we still got more. We don't talk Honda, but you guys want to do our our pick segment for next week for the first.

For sure. Okay. As a part of our partnership with Draft Kings and the Draft Kings sports book, we are going to be doing some pick segments. And we're going to be tracking our picks. Matt's going to leave the room for us. Yeah, Matt is not participating in any of this.

All right, here we go. He's leaving the room. Yeah, he's gone. We're going to be doing, doing some picks here. We're going to track him throughout the year for each of the five majors, right, Tron? Six majors. We should do the John Deere too. We do the players we have to do John Deere. Yeah, that's a, that's fine. That's fine. We should do the John Deere too. We do the players we have to do John Deere.

Yeah, that's a better con. Okay, that's fine. We'll do that. Neil, why don't you tell us about your mega bonus parlay and how that went this week? Well, yeah, on our other podcast, the trap draw, the bespoke, craft podcast that we do, Randy and I are doing a mega bonus parlay every other week where I basically come up with a pretty gnarly bet. And I'm driving New Jersey and plays the the bet because that's the only way you can

place the bet. Gio location. Yeah. So my, uh, has a tough, tough opening week. I'll read them off. See here. Like, how many teams are we talking about? Well, we're trying to get like a $10 bet to pay off like over $1,000.

Okay. And they kind of limit the odds for you. So I went with, uh, Tommy Fleetwood to finish better than Roy. This is a big hill. This is a big hill. Bracen to finish better than Matsuiyama. Here you go. Finau to finish better than Fowler, loser.

Havlin to finish better than Billy Ho, loser. Max to finish better than Harris English, who was in my keyster all week. So he ruined that one. And Lee Westwood to miss the cut, which I got. So I went two for six. Okay. At one point, it looked like you were gonna run the table.

It was the awesome. Which I kind of think you should get paid. Oh, that should be it. You should get like a, some type of bonus from, if you go over six on a parlay. Like, can I? Yeah, yeah. So it was $10 to win $1400.

So it's like a true Florida. Yeah, yeah, right. So it was $10 to win $1400. So it's fucking like a true Florida man. Yeah, right. So, no $1400. Well, at least once you read the first one, I was like, you're already lost, you don't need to do that. The best part is, I was able to put it up on Thursday because everyone was like, you know,

Fleetwood's like four over and Rory's leading. I was like, I love this though, like creating our own reality. Like the Fred X Cup makes me check guys every week. Yeah, I was saying, you passed your part later before guys everywhere. Yeah, I was saying you bet your parlay before the turn. Yeah, I did it the read on the chapter I was reading. So I was like, I'm really excited about Fleetwood.

He's got a ton of momentum. Like, I think it would miss his first time. I would say, what's your betting name gonna be? Well, we're going back, it's kind of in the Vegas day, then, so I was thinking like, Sikakis shoe, we Hawkins are, or something stupid, like Newark Neal. Newark Neal said you got to go to New Jersey to place the best.

Exactly, so I'm going to take the ferry over. The far hills fuck boy. The far hills fuck boys and option. Let me do this call to action here in the legalese and then we'll get into our picks. You can download the top rated Draft King Sportsbook app now and use code NLU when you sign up for a limited time.

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The deposit bonus requires 25 times play through restrictions apply, see DraftKings.com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem, call 1-800-Gamber, or in Indiana, call 1-800-9 with it. So I don't know, did you do it? Did you want to take a break after that? Yeah, I'll take it for five. What, you guys made your picks. Have you scoured the odds here?

I have. Okay, who do you like? You only put the odds to 150 to 150 to 150. I got tired typing them up. Because, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, the drafting's odds were not up as the time that we were. I live in that 150 to 250. You can select from that.

I'll give you two. Okay. One pick. You get one pick. I'll tell you, I'm between two of them right now. Between Bryson, as we were talking about earlier. Bryson, sorry, into the mic. Bryson.

25 to 1. And Sanjay. 28 to 1. So I kind of want to root for the scientists though this week. So I'm going to go with Bryson. All right. I can't tell if the tour would love or hate this. I would think hate but they've seemed to have gone out of their way to fall in love with this guy over the last couple weeks. I think it's gonna burn. I think the I think golf Twitter burns this week.

I think it's either the players or the masters. Yeah, I'm starting to think about it for the masters. If I had a flyer pick, I honestly think Max at 150 to one is, yeah, 150 to one is crazy. What's crazy? He reads 33 to one. 33 to one for Patrick Reads. But Max is legitimately playing some excellent, excellent golf and is 150 to one.

I mean, come on. I like Cant live. What's Cant live? Oh, it's Cant leaves us. 25 to one. He took Mexico off for surgery on. I like Cant live. What's Cant live? Let's Cant live. 25 to 1. He took Mexico off for surgery on a deviated septum. But yeah, I don't know. I just, I got a hunch.

I got a hunch. He feels like a player. Chance. It's a great coach for him. I got a hunch on him too. Okay. Okay. All right. Did DJ and Randy send in picks?

I didn't get a chance. I think DJ did. DJ did. Okay. Let's see. If you were to make a pick, Randy said, got a I didn't get. I think DJ did DJ did. Okay. Let's see. If you if you were to make a pick. Randy said who can't lay long shot big dick Rick and I just have any list that was a long shot. You're DJ has winner the rib the rib and long shot more kawa. Okay. Good iron player. Great. Kawa's 40 to one. I don't know if I would call that a long shot. Well, that's what he's talking about.

I'm not looking at you, but I'm talking about speed. Speed 70 to one. Yeah. Times are dark. I'm not taking that one. Those are all good picks. Yeah. Well, if you were to make a pick, who would it be?

This is, of course, not. This is a hypothetical situation. None of this matter. Who did you say, John? Cantler and Fitzpatrick. You get one pick. Can'tler. Fitzpatrick. I just think it's... Can't lay? TBD.

I'll walk it in. I'll eat it later this week. Nobody's gonna be able to keep track if we've all got two multiple bits. I'll go Fitzpatrick. Okay. Cool. I'm gonna say web. Oh, I was thinking about that one.

I mean, you want it two years ago. Let's get your take on this. So we consider guys dogs or and or killers. I love to hear you explain this, because I don't know how to explain it. I'll let TC explain it, because it's more from his kitchen. Well, yeah, you're out there.

See, you can be a dog, a killer or neither, or a dog and a killer. So a dog would be, I think Leisha is a dog. I don't think he in a killer. So a dog would be, like I think Leisha is a dog. I don't think he's a killer. Ricky's neither. He's neither a dog nor a killer. A dog is somebody,

I think you wanna hang out with. He's one of your boys. A killer is just, I think Patrick reads probably a killer. But also on the golf course, specifically, it'd be like a dog is someone who's gonna hold on when they're a condition They can win but there may not track someone down and just execute them on the back nine on Sunday

Like cat is both a dog and a killer. Yeah So we've gone back and forth on whether like JT Well, I'm trying to say that like web is kind of like a sneaky. He's like a gold retriever. He's definitely a dog I think he's a killer too like I mean it's starting it's starting to, he won the US Open, right? Like, that's like an auto killer. Well, maybe not auto killer status because there's some US Open winners that have disappeared. But I'd say he's the more I said dog killer ever. Talked to whatever. He's a dollar killer to be clear. We're not a daughter shout out shout out to Mike. It's not a dog killer.

But he's really good. I think the most underrated guy out there is the playlist plate. God so many. I played with Max home. I know he's huge on social media, but I played with him when he got his card back like the round he got his card back. It was in Cleveland. Cleveland. He was super impressive, like really impressive. I was really good. And I know he's not maybe under the radar anymore. You're preaching the choir.

Oh, okay. Yeah. We're like right or die on him, but yeah, I think that's somebody that would qualify in that. Yeah, there's some proper. So many good players. Harris English is really good. I mean, he's really good. I can figure out how how he hasn't I called him too big to fail I called him a sleeping giant. I thought he was like the next You called him too big to fail because he was gonna be an ATM machine on tour. Yeah, look like he was gonna make about 50 million, but he's still might man. Yeah, I mean, he man. That guy is probably got 10 more really good years in him. I mean, he's really good. So I got a question for you. About probably about 40% of the replies we got when I put

a request on Twitter that you were coming on for questions for you. I'd say about 34% reference marijuana in some way. You talked about it in your press conference this week. And I'm wondering if you could kind of pick back up on what you said on the press conference because I think people probably misconstrued your relationship with marijuana and what and so I wanted I don't know how to ask that but I wonder if you could explain that. Yeah so I mean where do I start with this. You can background information is probably helpful for people as well. Okay, so a couple years ago, WADA,

were anti-helping, they raised the levels for marijuana to like 100, it went from 15 nanograms to 150 nanograms, okay? And then I read an article, I think it was in the USA today or something, was when they made the change, a spokesperson from WADA said, we don't want our athletes testing positive for cannabis if they're not using in competition, okay? I've never used cannabis in competition, never, okay? It is not performance-enhancing.

Anyone that says it is hasn't done it, and they definitely haven't done it if it mattered. You know what I mean? Like you lose a depth perception, feel, everything is gone. I mean, it's lost. It's gone. Yes, everything is gone. I use it, I'm a mental person.

I can deal with myself during the day, I love it. At night, I need my brain to slow down. That, I use it for, for nighttime only and not every night, but I'm not doing, I would never, it's just stupid. So many of us, when they said that, I was like, great. I also, it's hard, a lot of it's hard for me to talk about because it's medical history stuff. It's the safest thing for me to take for what I'm trying to treat. Like I can't

take Xanax. I can't. So it's safe. I know it does what it's supposed to do for me. I'm not gaining any advantage by it at all. I just I think the stigma behind it sucks. That's why I don't walk around with my head and the clouds at all. For the most part, like, I love being awake and doing stuff. It's not necessarily like a, again, the reason why I asked is the replies and the perception people have, it doesn't seem to be in line with your view of it. It's kind of what I'm getting at. It seems to be like a, everyone's treats like kind of a joke it's that bother you um No, it doesn't bother me if people think it's a joke. It's It was funny. That's on that's on their end. I mean it's it's it's not like

There was a headline on if it was the British tab or your poster your post yeah, there was you know, it was like, or Jeff Shackleford. Weed user, Matt, every, like, all right, like, you know, what about like, you know, dude who got a DUI, Tiger Woods, you know, and there was never any, really anything from that. Like that's, that's the thing that kind of gets me is like, hey, like cool, like this is, this is probably safer than going out and getting loaded

three nights a week. Yeah, it's so, honestly, it's so innocent. There's so many ways to take it now too. Like, I'm not saying if I use it or not now either, by the way, for the record. But there are so many ways you can take it. It's not like I'm, when I have done it before, it's not like I walk around

With a cloud of smoke coming. It's not it's not how yeah, it's not snoop dog culture No, yeah, it's not like that at all right, and I would I would never Ever be under the influence of it and playing it in a tour event that that's a first class take it off the tour No, that's that all that makes sense and I wanted to give you a chance to speak on it Here's the other thing that kind of bothers me that, it doesn't make any sense to me. It's like there's, okay, okay, so let's say you use cannabis a week ago and I used it last night, right? And we both get tested tomorrow and you you metabolize way faster, or I'm metabolized way faster than you, okay? We both get tested. I pass. You fail. You used a week, you know, a week before me and failed. I passed. It's such a, it's such an exact science. Yeah.

And it's such a harsh penalty. So you're telling me at 145, I'm okay. Nothing gets said. Everything's fine. But at 155, I'm a drug abuser. Like, what? Like, that's that's silly to me. It's it's way too big of a, I don't know, I don't even know how we got there. No, it's it's career defining almost. It can be if that's what that threshold, like if you're on one side of that threshold and it can affect your career, which it has in the past, like pretty great. I just find it nuts that your doctor prescribes this for you legally in your home state of Florida. Well, it's it. So I think it's more of an FDA issue with the, I did apply for a TV and

What's that temporary use exemption and It got declined. Do you see any changes on this front like how the tour handles it or I kind of actually think yeah Yeah, I think Jay is on top of things and it's not the easiest spot for him. It's not golfs in and I understand that I know that's part of it and I'm not I really don't want to be like a spokesperson for for this at all at all But I do think something good is gonna like something and will happen soon and the other sports doing things Probably helps us a little bit. Golf just always. They don't want to be the first. Yeah, they're always behind.

Wait, what? Like, not even close. So I had a couple of random nuggets here. I took down from this past week, Justin Rose, no longer with Anma, which they didn't announce. I was going to say, is that public knowledge? I don't know if we can say that now because they didn't announce it because of out of respect for Arnie's event this week. But speaking of Arnie's event, the toward leaking, not leaking, just posting featured groups

for players championship and showing guys arriving on site. Did you see that stuff? Like showing guys arriving at saws. There was a, I went out there yesterday and there was a camera out there. I was like, what the hell? Yeah. During the last hour of the broadcast showing people arriving on the site. Yeah, but they're trying to keep people hooked on the product. I had a respect for Army though. But yeah, like come on, this I mean, is this what Mike

Stone would want? Unbelievable. Well played. The PGA tour is decidedly not an Arnie's Army. Yeah, I don't, it just is like, I don't know, I just reeks when they do stuff like that. It's like, come on guys, the players is awesome. It's legitimately awesome. We don't need to see. Yeah, quit telling us, it's awesome. Yeah, we don't need to see.

So yeah, there is gonna be every shot. Every shot is gonna be broadcast live on PGA Tour Live this week. Subscribers only is what I believe to be the case. I'm not sure what kind of free previews are available, but I think that's fair. How does that work? Where are they going to?

Like there's going to be stationary cameras, like on every tee, every green, and I don't know if it's in every fairway as well. I think there's going to be some scenarios where guys are like behind a tree and you can't get to the shot, but you'll get the shot landing. But basically if you want to follow, name your player,

if you want, you know, if I want to see everyone in Max's home of shots, I can tune into a brought, I can watch that somehow. I think it's interesting that they're doing that. They're putting it behind the paywall and they have a big hard on for Augusta. They want to be the masters really, really bad. And masters.com has it for free.

Masters doesn't have the live for free though. Masters has every shot after it's happened, so they have like a shot chart. We're not doing anything behind a paywall in Master's. Nothing behind there, but this is different than Master's.com I would say. And I think it's fair. I think like if they're trying to draw,

they've invested significantly in this product, it's for hardcore fans only, I think, asking people to pay for that is fair. And PGTOR Live is a great product. I really do think that. So for people that, you know, there's a lot of people online that will say, I myself included, like, I will pay to see this.

And they're actually giving it to you. Free ad for PGA Tour Live.com. But if you are the one of the people that says that, like here it is, like, here's your chance to pay for that and view it. So. TV media deal tomorrow, right? Coming out tomorrow.

As I'm sure, like simultaneously with all the the markets probably imploding for the coronavirus. It's going to be like Jay Monahan standing out like Baghdad Bob. Nothing to see here. Everything's like Nelson. Nothing, nothing wrong in it. Things are blown up in the background. Matt, I got a question about the players.

You like this event? Like, have you played in the past? Is it? I don't think I'm bleeding good here. I mean, I probably have like a something between 20th and 30th or 30th. It's nothing great. But I do like the event. Yeah, it's kind of a hometown event. You know who else I was thinking might play good here this week is JT Poston.

Really? Yeah. Why is that? He's just really good. And he hits a nice, he hits a nice, he draws it straight off the tee and makes pots, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why is, I feel like this is the one course when you can't go look up and see like a player's

history and know like a player's history and know like, oh yeah, he plays well here. Oh, he doesn't. It is truly as much variance as you can imagine year to year. What makes this course like you're a horse for course for Bay Hill. In fact, there's no horse for course for TPC sawgrass. Right. Like not a single one.

I think because here it's like it's you're kind of running the gauntlet the whole day. It's just something bad could happen at any point. Is it just straight up execution? Like you just can't like it's it's not it's not favoring one ball flight or one. I think it favors a guy who draws it. I do. I mean other people might not think that. The only reason I say that is the right to left holes you cannot start it left and cut it back in off the tee. Like two and sixteen. Yes. I mean, eighteen, if you want to start it over the water, I probably will, but not everyone

does that. The other way, you can start it, left to right holds, you can start it right for maybe not, but for your hitting, it's a straight shot off the tee. It's not really a cut. So let's say five, you can blow it right and draw it in there. If you want to, seven, you could really, if you want to. That's interesting. I'm not out of that.

What other nuggets you got for us? What are certain things to look for this week for fans at home to watch for? I just think in the Florida swing, it just gets firm and short game matters a lot like that. I mean, Leesha and Hatton are bold up. Their games actually remind me a lot of each other. I don't know what you guys. Like, I don't, there's no coincidence that like getting up and down. Well, this week, it's not a coincidence. They were firm greens.

Right. And when it gets hard, you're going to miss like a lot of people think hard courses, oh, ball strikers, not necessarily because if it's that hard, everyone's missing greens. I mean, everyone is. And then it matters who's the best chipper. And you see guys like Fitzpatrick come in who else is a leafs the Prager Chipper. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I think there are, yeah, for courses like this, like we talked about earlier, like when you can't hit greens, I'm not literally, but almost can't hit greens that everyone's going to kind of end up in the same spots and just going to be a chip like we talked about earlier, like when you can't hit greens, I'm not literally, but almost can't hit greens that everyone's gonna kind of end up in the same spots

and just gonna be a chip off of them, it makes sense. All right, let's get to a couple questions here. G Gorsky asks, are Tor players colluding to shoot higher scores during the Florida swing as a way to invalidate the calls for equipment rollback? He did call for the cue for the conspiracy music. I don't even know if we wanna answer that. I just wanted to actually use the conspiracy. Our guy's gonna be the best. He is one for the cue for the conspiracy music. I don't even know if we want to answer that. I just wanted to actually use the conspiracy.

I'm gonna be the first person to put it in. It's Mixer's awesome. I do love the guy's circle back. The people who are like, oh yeah man, this is crazy. The ball doesn't go too far. This is, it's like using a two week sample size and using reference to par.

Like everyone's like, look, minus four is still winning out here. I just hate when people default to par. Like we've covered this many times par is truly irrelevant like it doesn't matter What par is like some people legitimately think you all just changed the part of 70 and then the then they're only shooting like eight under par And it's just I that's like the worst possible argument. It's like we're not even scratching the surface and I guess You can blow the conspiracy thing in here too. So I feel like we've had a lot of tough conditions. So far, like Riviera seemed like it was quite tough. Farmers was tough.

Honda, obviously, this week at Bay Hill. And then, A, I feel like everybody's going to be kind of worn out by the time they get the players. B, is this giving the toward license to truly live under par at players. Set it up easy. Set it up easy. Water the greens.

You know, it's the overseed imitation. It's going to be very great. It's very green. It is overwhelmingly green. How did it look out there? It was very green. Yeah, it was very green. I mean, it looked good.

The roughs not up. The greens were today. They were firm, but like it was blowing. I got sub-air zone plus the wind. It's been windy as shit here. Yeah, it's been 20 miles an hour out of the north for three days now. As we saw, TC got picked up by the local meteorologist. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Shout out to the man, Tommy and Lutzer or his weather takes. Would you like March better for the players? Is that make more sense? Do you think is a player? Yeah, I don't mind it.

I kind of I think I probably do like it better, but it doesn't really, I mean, I'm not in the majors, so it doesn't really impact me the way it does other guys. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Where do you qualify? So will you qualify for US Open this year? Yeah. Will you do that in Columbus or? I don't even look to where it's that. Probably yeah, I'll do it in Columbus. Yeah. How many times have you played the US Open? Three or four? Three. We had some news break this week. So I'll just try to qualify. All right. What do I need to do? I got to go locals. You don't have to go locals.

I'm doing locals at McAteewa in Cincinnati. Okay. Old Ross course. You're cherry do it. Well, I gotta go locals. You don't have to go locals. I'm doing locals at McAtewa in Cincinnati. Okay. Old Ross course. You're cherry picking your local one aren't you? I did. You're getting out of Florida. Yes. Smart man.

That is an enormously huge decision. Smart man. So I'm hoping that like a lot of people within the handicap range of 1.2 to 1.4 would be inspired and also want to come join the same exact site for me. You know what? I'm trying to get some vanity handicapped. Don't tell me your plan. You know what?

They're going to sniff you out now. No, come on. Come on. Help me get in the US open. You can get through locals. I can get through locals. You can for sure. So I wanted to go somewhere where one it's kind of like, yeah, one, getting out of Florida

because like, somebody shot seven under in my mid-an qualifier last year. Like Florida is just so unbelievably stacked with depth. And I didn't want to go play, there's a very good chance, I can shoot 75 and that's not gonna play anywhere. But what I don't want to have happen is shoot one or two under and have that not get through. Like if I get, you know, if I show up at a site here

that has five local pros playing in it and I play a good round but not better than them and I get ousted, that's gonna hurt. So this has the most people of any side, it's 144 or something like that, it's for eight spots. So I think if I play a good round, I can get through that. I just gotta play a great round.

So that's kind of the thought process. So that's all you gotta do. Just jerrymatering. I'm trying. Just play great. I'm trying. You play better. You're ready to improve that. You play better on hard courses, making a ton of pars, picking off a couple of birdies here and there

versus making seven birdies. Yes. You know, and when it's demanding, you have to make birdies, I don't necessarily succeed, but I can make a lot of birdies on tough courses. And it's hard to make cars, you're really good at it. Yes. Yeah, that's a good set up for me.

So I might need some coaching if you're willing to kind of walk me through what, how to get to your qualify. I'm so bad at, you know, when I had to to do qualifiers to like get in tournaments on like the whatever it was the web at the time or nationwide, I was really good at them. But the second I didn't have to like qualify it like I qualified for the US open like in a qualifier in college. And I haven't qualified since through a qualifier. I've gotten in through like World Ranking at once. What's the difference? Like you have to change your mindset for

qualifiers or like what? I mean, I don't know because I'm not, I mean I'm hungry for it. Like I want to play in the US Open. It's the biggest turn. You know, it's one of the biggest tournaments. It's important. One thing we're trying to convey through this project is, and I'm wondering if you can help me here, try to explain the depth between like a scratch player. So you're a tour player, and I think people can see like, oh, there's obviously the tour players are incredible. There's a lot of them, and then there's Cornfairy, and then there's Let's You Know America. What else, what are the other layers? Because there's even more layers between me and the lowest level of professional golf. What can you speak to some of that?

I mean, so. I'm talking like retired pros. I'm talking. Get the moonlight towards college players. Middle level college players. Yeah, I didn't even play in college. Right. So can you possibly even estimate the number of players

that are in that bucket? There's a lot. There's a lot. It's like when you said about Florida, you go to a qualifier in Florida, you're dealing with every college kid in Florida, basically, and there's a lot of colleges here. So they're playing golf year round. You're dealing with these world-beater juniors that are at these academies coming at that

qualifier. Like you're not getting hacks. I mean, there will be some, but, you, it's there's a lot of good players. Yeah. Yeah. That's what, yeah, the few amateur events I've played just the people that still have their college bags and all that is kind of like, oh my god. I didn't even think about like that layer of player that I got to be that.

And it's like bosses in like a video game. Yes. Yes. Oh man. I got to get through level one. Um, the one thing we haven't covered here, Harley Moore wanted to check in and said, how about McKenzie Hughes at the Honda?

He shot 66, 66, 66. When we get, oh that's good. Yeah. Yeah. So TC, I forgot to mention that. Anything else before we wrap it here? Oh, five. He was open.

Low amateur. Pioneer. And you got in through sectionals. Where was sectionals? It was in Woodmont and Maryland. Yep, we missed, we had the national championship and Caves Valley and... Shout out to the Faws.

What's that? It's a Faws, welcome to the party pal. Yeah, there we go. I got to tread lightly here too, because he plays a Pavo, which is also a Faws. Shit, what were we talking about? Your US Open Qualifier. Oh yeah, so we were playing in Caves Valley.

We missed the cut. I got to go over to the qualifier and play a practice round, which was nice. And then I ended up getting through. I was in a playoff and it came down to my, it was like, it was stupid. It was like 11 guys for six spots and it came down to Paul Goetus and I played like seven holes and I kept hitting it 10 feet, every fucking hole missing it. And then finally I hit it 10 feet again and it went in and it was like, it was weird. I didn't even feel like I qualified for the open.

It was like, finally I made like a pie. But yeah, that's how it got in. Did we ask, I forget, we talked about this last time, the big break, did we talk about that at all? I don't know. Well, you might have talked about that. Okay, well, can you refresh us on that? What do you want to know?

I want to know everything. Which one do you want to know? I literally, that is like so far removed from my life. I can imagine. Holy shit. So I was out of college. I knew some people at the golf channel. And one of the guys, I think he just said he just, I think I actually think Steve Burkowski played a role in me getting on there. He was like, hey, this guy would

be great for the show. And then I went on there and it was that a, where was it at? Is it in the desert somewhere? Esquite. There you go. And I was there as good good guys. And it was out of casino. And it was weird. It was like nothing I've ever done before. It was like you would get there at, you know, some of us were staying up all night, gambling and, and then you'd get to the shoot and it's 6 30 in the morning, you're super dehydrated and you got to hit one shot and then wait like four hours to hit the next shot. And I'm already like, you're nervous because like there's no, there's no, there's no plan. And it's one shot, you know, and it's not like you've been sitting on the range,

practicing. Because they've filmed the whole thing in like a week, right? It's pretty a couple of weeks, maybe. Yeah. And yeah, I was out of there, and I think on the second episode, it was nuts. I remember like not, my legs were shaking so bad because I was dehydrated and I was like 24 years old, maybe. That's not a typical path for a three time first team all-america, Ben Hogan award for it. Yeah, because of the big break. Big break.

Well, fuck, we don't have a draft in golf, so yeah, that's the way it works. Your nickname on the show was the natural. Ooh, I wonder who gave me that. That's awesome. I've never talked big break. Yeah, I've never, I mean, you know but I was like, did he win it? I don't even remember what happened.

There was some interesting people on there. James Niddy's is a great, great guy. He's still playing. There was a guy in there named Josh, Warlin, I believe. And he caddies at Pebble when I see him every year. Josh was the dude. The dude.

The dude. He caddies out at Pebble, so I run into him sometimes, and I see, I've seen a couple of other, the other guys. One thing I always like to ask you about, he's tell, like, it's my favorite thing in the world that you play with. Spenser. Well, no. Yeah, first of all, how's Spencer doing?

He's all right. Yeah. Hanging out in Sacramento, just. He is. Yeah. No, but the walker cup that you played on, Chicago Golf Club, you and AK. Yeah.

And it was an interesting team. So, it was the USGA. There was only a few of us that were old enough to drink or go out. Go out downtown Chicago. Yeah. And I think they rented like a limo or party bus for us reunites and I think it would be like me Anthony and Jeff over to going to going downtown Chicago. That was it and everybody else like playing video games back at the hotel. What a legendary fucking crew. It was. It was such a good time. Yeah, it was great. It was great.

Can you retell the Jeff Overton Pat Perez story? I know you said it three years on the pod, but I listened to it literally today and it is such a good story. I mean, do you really want to hear it? Yeah, they just go to the pod and you're so handsome. They can, but they won't. I haven't heard it. It's so far back in the archives. Yeah, it's like episode 71 or something like that. I'm gonna be like Elkington telling the same story as over and over. They're good stories. Yeah, me and Bubba make really good stories. There's so many good ones.

Yeah. So Jeff, I haven't talked to Jeff in a while. I know he was struggling a little bit, so I hope he's doing okay. All right, so Jeff has been a good friend of mine for a while. I mean, I've known Jeff since junior golf. And you know, you get to know people, people change and you get to know more, you know,

as you go through life and I'm, and we work in the same industry. So like, I see it, you know, he's one of those guys where he, he's mental too. I mean, like, really mental and he'll go nuts on the course like not just just eating the crap out of it. Yeah. Um, but he, uh, so him and I have laughed at each other plenty of times. Like I can laugh at him when he does something dumb. He laughs at me when I do something dumb. Um, so I got a new phone number and we were, we were going to the Barclays at Liberty National

and Martin Flores, I just got this new number and I was gonna fuck with Jeff about something. Somehow Jeff was on, like, he got brought up, I don't know what, there was a reason I sent it to him, I don't remember. But I was like, let's mess with, or no, let's mess with, it was Perez, that's who it was. It was like, I was like, let's,

he got brought up, I was like, let's mess with Perez and tell Perez, that's who it was. It was like, I was like, let's, he got brought up, it was like, let's mess with Perez and tell him, I'm over 10 with this new number. Something like, hey, it's Jeff, this is my new number, whatever, do you wanna play a practice round tomorrow? And he's like, and I think they had just played with each other and Pat was like complaining to me about Jeff, you know, maybe whining about a shot

or something, we were just messing around. So he's like, no, I can't, I got four, you know, maybe whining about a shot or something. I was weird to spend around. So he's like, no, I can't. I got four, you know, whatever. I'm like, oh, man, he goes, all right, fine. You know, 9.30, I'll meet you on the T.A. Tuesday. Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning. So I go out and I play, I like quit after nine or something. I don't think nine goes, it doesn't go back to the clubhouse, but I'm walking up I'm walking up 18 or something and I end up going by the putting green and

I'm walking up like number one somehow and Phil is coming down number one with with over 10 and I'm giggling I'm like this is so good because he's it's like nine nine 15 and this is happening. It's perfect timing. So I get on the putting green and Perez is there and he like, it's the weirdest thing. Like he just, it's like he wanted to just come talk to me about this. He just beeline towards me and he's like, hey, you're not going to believe what fucking Jeff did to me. He, he told, he asked me to play with him tomorrow. And I'm like, yeah, it's your 9 30. and then he just walks right past me and goes to the first

You have failed done say anything. I'm like no way so The next bat night I'm I go to dinner with Martin Floyd Martin Floyd was with me too the night before we were messing with him and we go to dinner again The next night and I'm telling him about it and we are just we're in're we're peeing ourselves you know I'm like let's keep messing with him so so I text Pat and I'm like hey man sorry about bailing on you today and he's like oh you know sorry about bailing on you today Phil asked me to play and I can't turn that down and and Pat's like oh you know probably said something like

fuck Phil or you know fuck you know I got you know, probably said something like, fuck, Phil, or you know, fuck, you know, I got, you know, whatever. And yeah, but you know, it's Phil, he's got all experience, I got fucking experience. So then I'm like, hey, do you care if you, I'm looking at houses out in Phoenix, do you care if I come stay with you, you know, in a few weeks? And he's like, yeah, sure, just let me know when.

It was unbelievable. So I kind of dropped it that night. The next day, they take a ferry over. I could have had this going for a little bit. And the next day they took of the ferry over the same ferry and Pat like went up to him. It's like, hey, you know, thanks for fucking bailing on me yesterday or something like that. And just like, what are you talking about? And then they figured it out. They figured it out. I love that story. That's fantastic.

All right, Matt, well, thanks for coming to the Killhouse tonight and helping us wrap up Bay Hill. T.C. I do want to give a shout out to our newest young hitter, Lauren Kaufflin, low round of the day today in the Sumatra Tour. Not on Winter Haven, the Florida's natural. I think it's an orange juice sponsor, great team markers.

But I think she's solo third. How many young headers do you have? How many young headers do you have? Probably over half a dozen now. Yeah, we're getting up there. Brandon Matthews. You got to get nod for sponsors exemption this week. Take a drive, number six.

Yeah, if he could have, if he had had the right one today. Yeah, he'd keep on the planet. He definitely should have tried for that That you're welcome to be one of our middle age hitters miscellaneous hitters, whatever we know Yeah, you're like 33 right exactly. So all right. Thanks for coming over and thank you everyone for listening cheers You're the right club. Be the right club today right club today. Yes!

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