No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 293: Greg Norman Deep Dive

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

Neil pulled some books off the shelves and went to work, doing a deep dive on the life and career of Greg Norman. We go into his background, the tremendous successes and the incredible volume of close calls, as well as his many business adventures, Instagram thirst traps, marriages, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's odysseygolf.com. Now I'm going to turn the reins over here very shortly to Mr. Eccarito. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. We are going, this is quarantine edition. This is a topic based pod that, you know, an idea we've had for a while to do, just haven't really had the time and opportunity. We have nothing but time and opportunity to do that now, solid here, playing the role of student in the classroom today, I believe, as well as DJ Pi.

Excited to learn trying Carter's here. Happy to be here. And our teacher, instructor, professor, if you will, what level class are we about to go through, Mr. Neil Schuster? This is intro, intro to the shark. So it's a 101 for sure. This is the first mega book report I've done. Oceanography 101.

Exactly. Intro to sharks. So I've been deep in the inner webs. I've been rocking my shark hat for the past two, three days to get the way of the shark. Also the title of Greg Norman's autobiography. Are you a marine biologist at this point? I'd say I'm probably an apprentice. Like a cadet.

Yeah, definitely. I'd say I'm either a merchant marine or a co-scarred. I don't know what the merchant marines do. We can take that offline. That's next week, exactly. That's a great question. That might be a good chapter off. So, but yes, as you may have guessed,

this is gonna be an oral history breakdown of Greg Norman's career. So we were, I guess, last week brainstorming on our co-vision board, and we're thinking maybe we dive into some players we don't know a lot about. So when the shark's name popped up there, figuratively jumped out at me.

Jumped off the page. Just, it breached, right? It breached the co-vision board Come and write at me, you know in 3d just slightly before your time. Yes exactly And honestly because he's it's been confirmed now for me the original Icarito Yeah, and like maybe the best version of Icarito Do got roasted by the sun Absolutely version of Vicarito. Dude got roasted by the sun. Yes, he did. Absolutely.

He waited. He, uh, he had an issue coming down the stretch, which is awesome. So as T.C. said, the sharks a little bit before my time, before I really got interested in golf, I was playing golf. So I was born in 1989. I remember watching the shark in person once at the, probably the 98, or 99 Bell South Classic, and Atlanta TPC Sugar Loaf, of course he designed, which TC, how do you feel about that course?

I mean, it's dog shit. There you have it. But I remember thinking, I was probably, I guess, 10, 11 at the time, being like, one, it's super hot out here and this kind of sucks, and two, why is he wear that stupid hat? And here I am wearing that hat. Tread lightly there, New York.

Let's just say stupid hat. I was wearing that hat, dude. It's an IDA. I didn't think I was never really into that vibe. To me, it was an old man hat. And but now I'm wearing that hat and doing research on Greg Norman. So what a world.

The guy is a branding expert, I believe we'll get into, but that hat is part of the brand. Well, that was that was exactly kind of my next intro point is that for me, Norman has just become business, right? And I think that's exactly how he wants it based on all the interviews I've read and he likes to repeat stories as a lot of probably older guys do. But one I kept running across was he's you know, he's he's kept running across was he's, you know, he's doing 60 knots in his yacht. You know, he's he's bombing off the coast of Florida down to the Bahamas with the boys,

you know, super chef Bobby Flay, the cubes. They're all just, you know, having a grand old time and all of a sudden the blip comes on his radar, the Coast Guard, you know, skiff boats after him. They think he's running drugs to Cuba. Drugs from Cuba are too cute. They picked them up going to Cuba in this, and I think it's a golf.com interview. And, seems like bad police work already.

So they're trying to go to the Bahamas and he was ending up in Cuba? Like, is he dope? How to fight? Well, listen, I'd have to check the tape. I don't know what that is. I had trouble closing this. It's a simple anecdote, okay? He couldn't get it all in.

So he's going too fast, basically. And so he gets picked up on the radar, and they call it in, they're like, you know, what's his name, Greg Norman. Oh, you know, the guy that makes the wine. He was like, yes, that's exactly what he was like. It was like the fulfillment of his dreams that like he was known as a businessman and not for golf.

This sounds like one of those stories like a politician makes up about themselves. Exactly, that's the thing. This scene has been seen that, that's the thing in that scene. I was seeing that corner pop on the back. I was crying, no, I was crying, it's a bad voice. No, both in written form and in like a video interview, he's told that story, you know, it's like,

God, he's just, he's going back to the well with this one, right? So. I gotta say, I'm excited to hear more about his golf career because all I know him as is, he's like the after version, and you know those like an old man, like drug and bodybuilding commercials,

where the guy's like, yeah, I used to be like a dork, but now I'm shredded and I play like a rock band. He always seems like the after version, that's like all I know him from. So I'm very excited to get some more content. His persona kind of reminds me of Kevin Spacey in American Beauty. Whoa.

She's getting absolutely swollen garage like. Probably pretty angsty by the scenes. Well, so what do you think of first when you hear the shark's name? Non, I guess non-golf related. The legit, the first thing I think of is the hat. The hat, we honestly. It's so funny.

So I was thinking about this as your talk about the hat was how painstead had his hat and Norman had his hat And maybe it's just like when I grew up but thinking about like that's cool Like those guys have a style and now in Bryson wears it. I'm like that is fucking stupid Why are you wearing that hat which it is just got I mean, I guess it's supposed to be a tribute to painstead But how do you feel about Tiger wearing the Norman hat? I? Mean I'm sure that had an, I guess, probably if he wore it, like now, but that was bad. I guess that

would be more of a parallel with the Bryson thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same, like 17, where's the hat? It's true. It looks great doing it. It does a good. I don't know. Listen, listen, it looks fine. For the record, I have no issue with the hat. I just remember as a 10 year old being like, why is this issue with the hat. I just remember as a ten-year-old being like, why is this guy wearing that hat? Nobody else is, you know? Maybe I should march to the beat of my own drug. Yeah, now I'm like, man,

may that guy have figured out, branding expert. But he also, like, in all the interviews I watched over the past week, he isn't pro golfer, Greg Norman. He's CEO and founder of Great White Shark Enterprises. Like, that's how he wants, you can tell it's such a conscious thing of him. Like, I am a businessman first and a golfer second. And maybe that's him whitewashing the fact that... It's like Brooks Kepp, he's a baseball player.

Yeah, and an interwet. So it's just like an interesting to see the way. Norman, like, he seems to really telegraph. Like, he's not a subtle guy. Let me put it that way. Maybe I'm jumping too far ahead here, but I would even say business man, second and a narcissist.

Well, we surely will get there. But you know, he reminds me of just a paint, yeah, even more clarity, Richard Branson. Well, Mr. Branson will play. Yes, they are, Brad. That will play into our time. Do you want to, before we dive into, do you want to acknowledge any sources?

Do you want to, I want to make sure we're all above board here. I'm going to poke some holes in this report. I'm going to be calling them out as we go, but Australian news, articles, I mean, the Google machine first and foremost, golf.com, Rick Riley features heavily. I'm worth noting, Rick Riley was a menace. Some of these game stories from the masters and the Alps, also, might have flown through too close to this well I don't know him he kind of maybe just decided he wanted to hang out instead, but you know, but some of these

You know SI game stories on Sunday nights are just talk about hitting a deadline, but just over delivering he took ESPN Just put the money in the back. Yeah, yeah, so golf.com for sure, golf digest will feature. I've actually found a really good newsletter. I'll call it out when I get there. Okay. Okay. But to kick things off, I wanted to get at least like other than the Australian news sources

in Australia's point of view, Maddie Kelly, Jack's Beach local or Pontavigia, what would you say? Jack's Beach. Jack's Beach. And Katty Mark Leachman's Katty, ProJoc. And pretty much the only Aussie I know with I can consider a friend. Who's phone number you have?

Who's phone number I have? Who I got from TC. So I asked him for a couple sound bites. Just to kick us off, I just asked him, what's the opinion of Norman Australia? How did they feel about him down under? He said a very respected sportsman and businessman, but personally, I think his Instagram let's him down.

Which I was like, that's kind of exactly what I needed. To be like, okay, here we have a, you know, Hall of Famer, I think he's been in the Australian Hall of Fame since like 1990, you know, and like just keeps getting his stature up, and up, and up. And also a guy that's doing everything he can to tarnish his personal brand by posting too much stuff.

With a certain group, I would argue. I think there is a certain group of people who look at that as like, man, this guy's got everything. Yes. That is so cool. So much, if you go to his Instagram, we'll just call that out early because I don't have it since it's last three or four years.

It doesn't really feature into our timeline, but it is full of some of the USDA prime examples of someone being not self-aware. Like, it's a ton of, you know, norm and on a private jet, it's like stock footage of rich people. Like if you were gonna do a photo shoot of like, yeah, private jet shot, this is sick.

It's like a rap video shoot It really is it is it's very entertaining You know it but there's no there doesn't seem to be any feedback loop I scrolled back to the beginning of his Instagram which took me about 10 minutes to scroll all the way through He joined in 2014 Thousands of posts. Did you get to the horse one? I did. The horse was great.

The chainsaw was good. Well, someone described the horse one for me. Two horses fucking. That's a funny thing. If you need to know, it's, yeah. But I actually personally wanted to focus more on the golf because that's the part I don't know. Stick this for us.

That's the untold story. And then the personal I don't know. Stick this, stick this for us. That's the untold story. And then, you know, the personal stuff we'll sprinkle in. Going back, DJ, what's your, what's your... Lasting memory? Lasting memory, your first memory. That's great one. Honestly, it's, I like to pretend I watched a lot more golf when I was a little kid than I really did.

So I'm, I'm kind of in the same boat as you guys. I mean, I remember the hat, I remember, honestly, I think I remember the logo, probably first, which I guess probably fits in with a lot of this stuff, is the colorful shark logo that was on the hats of, you know, all the people I was playing golf with, they're seeing at the golf course and I was a little kid. I mean, that was probably the first thing. I really don't know the first time I could have, like, actually told you a lot about the person himself, which is kind of existential in itself. And on that note, the question for you

that we can maybe get into is when did he become like a branding expert? Was this from the get-go of his career? Because this was happening during his career, this logo, totally. There's a specific moment when that, when that, let's get in, let's get in. Let's get in, let's get in, T.C.

Yeah, line was 96 masters. I mean, that was, Something happened there? I was 10 years T.C. Sorry. Yeah. Mine was 96 masters. Something happened there? I was 10 years old. No spoilers. I was 10 years old probably, you know, just getting into golf. And I remember thinking like, man, that sucks. Well, they felt like people...

That guy got to do that. Like adults. I feel like I remember my dad and my dad's friends and everyone. Like everyone rooted for that guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? And it doesn't seem to be that way now necessarily. But at that time, maybe it's because he was the heartbreak kid. Like everyone wanted him to win that master's

and maybe just people didn't like Nick Fowdo, which is possibility as well. But that was everyone, I remember that day, as a kid just being like devastated. Everyone was just devastated. My mom was just like, oh, another bogey. I remember that. I think that's one of my first golf memories.

It was surreal watching it, and not even really knowing the exes and os of what was happening, but just bigger picture and seeing how everybody was reacting to it was jarring. We will definitely cover that as well. Before we do get into it, why don't we just do this live if you're listening to this episode it is Tuesday Which means episode nine of season five of Taurus sauce has just aired on our YouTube channel The season is brought to you by our friends at original penguin

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but take us there. Well, well, people see there, that's it. You know what's cool is I was talking to Tronius, I think it's the first episode where we've actually shown, at least one shot of all 18 holes with golf course. So that probably tells you, like you heard here first, Pinehurst number two, excellent golf course. I'll just go ahead and say that right now.

Completely superb golf course. I know. I know. I don't want to spoil that. I would encourage you to still go watch it, but it's a really good golf course. It's the highlight of our golf. Neel and I. Neel and I.

Yeah. Neel and I played a hickory match, which I think we said was probably in our top one or two golf rounds of 2019. So Neil might be a woke boy now. He's he's Hickory to it. It helped tempo. It helped my tempo for sure. I'd also shout out original paying when the golf gears excellent, but the off the course. We've been deep in the off the course. The shorts have made, I think you said this on the on last weeks. The shorts have made, I think you said this on the last weeks, the shorts have made my quarantine that much more. I look forward to putting them on every Sunday. They're the most comfortable shorts I own. You know, you're outfit at Pinehurst number two that day.

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if you're above the age of 18. For sure, definitely. Well, also I think TC might be shining in the parental guardian on Instagram. Post, post, epi to answer all those burning questions you have. But guessing that will have already happened. Oh, I know. You can go back and watch the replay though. That's fine. Yeah, you have. But it's our guessing that we'll have already had. Oh, I don't know.

I think we'll go back and watch the replay though. That's fun. Yeah, you can, we'll post the replay. There you go. Okay, so back to the shark. Yeah, it'll dig her own. So early life, let's start from the beginning. Let's see it.

How old is Greg Norman? 64. Okay. That was gonna be the first number that popped into my head too, actually. I was gonna say 62. 65 years old. Okay.

Or 1955 Gregory John Norman. Collections of security. February 10th, 1955 in Mount Issa, Queensland, Australia. Ask Maddie, what's the first thing that comes to mind when I say Mount Issa, Queensland, other than the shark? He said, nothing really, apart from Greg. So there you have it. Queensland's hottest shit, right?

It's the southern, it's northern. Okay. It's the other, that's northern. It's northern, okay. It's northern. It's the other way. What European nationality are mother and father? Or mother specifically? So some sort of Swedish? Okay.

Maybe? I was gonna say Swedish. TC. German? German. No. As mother was the daughter of a Finnish carpenter. Yeah. Yeah. Finland. And his father and electrical engineer.

That's his heritage. Well, I've never been there. I think his father's a descendant of the Australian. I think he's the electrical engineer's guild. He's a robot. His father was a robot. It could be. Well, listen, next topic, okay. Do you think we weren't gonna roast you a little bit during this thing? No, we better. We definitely should.

Deals obviously like fuck. I hope this thing's really butted up here. Well, I got a lot of notes here, so there may be some of this place. As you guys know, I have issues with typos. Yeah, I did not know his mom was finished. So you aspire to be a professional surfer, played cricket rugby. He was a real rugged as he says in his own words. A sportsman, you know, an outdoorsman, kind of a backcountry kid. Sure. Says he was very timid, very shy, even up until his early professional career.

And then at some point he just decided to flip a switch. Yeah, that seems like the kind of thing that sociopaths would say. Yes, I agree. I've just always been so shy. But it's also, I want to let the shark speak in his own words to ask to do that. And so as he grew up, he picked up golf at age 15 through his mother, and he went from a 27 handicap. Who was finished? Who was finished, yeah.

Who was finished, yes. Which is ironic considering he could finish. Listen, you guys didn't know that though, so you can go ahead and hold on. Yeah! You guys, listen, you were all shocked by the other thing in the background, so don't, we're trying to really drive it home, you need to hear something three times in order to. Yeah, really out. Listen, he picked up Golf at age 15, which can be stopped on that I never believe when

anyone is like, oh I didn't play until I was 15 years old. Sounds like you told us. I want to do other cool stuff. Yeah, he followed his mom out to the course. According to, this is from a source, ABC, and not US version of ABC. We're talking about Australian broadcasting company. They did a video profile from the 90s. Picked up golf at 15, went from a 27 handicapped to a scratch handicapped in 18 months, according to the documentary, driving Greg Norman on ABC.

He's like one of those LPGA players that we owe, they pick it up at 11, they're playing in the US, women's open at 12. I can say I buy that, I can see that. Is the ABC's source on this Greg Norman? Okay, I have to go back. I'm gonna guess there is no corroborating source. I have red.

Listen, kids, kids pick stuff like that. Kids pick things up quick, Kids pick things up quick. They got ultra-confidence. We can move past that. Isn't that true? So we'll, you know, I use Wikipedia as well as a source. So we'll move past the early life stuff. I mean, that gives you kind of a background on the, stick to golf, stick to sports here.

But what happened on February 10th, 1975? He wins the Australian amateur. Sally? That would be my guess. Sure. Shark attack on a swimmer in Southern Australia has his right legs severed by a six foot shark. It also happens to be Greg Norman's 20th birthday.

So you guys tell me, I mean. I'm just, you know, Greg Norman's six foot, and he also turns pro that same year. So he turns pro at 20. Wait, a shark just bit a random person in Australia? Yeah, I looked up shark attacks in Australia. And there was one that happened on his birthday as a 20 year old, the same, and he turned pro, I think

there's probably shark attacks on a weekly basis in Australia, right? Actually, I shout out to be out there. Maybe not reported. There's it, it's really interesting. Like they have a whole, it'll tell you like, artery was severed, you know, died due to blood loss, you know,

outdoing abalone diving, whatever. No, no free ads, but I want to give it a shout out to the O-Street Shark Track or app. You can, they got all kinds of sharks tagged, you can follow them all around the globe, it's very cool. Well, if I can kind of guess where you're going with this. Is this kind of like a spider

man situation? Are you saying that like he became the shark on this day? I mean, I found it to be, you know, at 20 years old, you know, the shark grows up and then a six foot shark on his birthday. It's 20th birthday, the year he turns pro at a taxis winner. I'm also going to read it. Maybe there's no other good reason why he's named the shark. And you were maybe stretching for a while. Oh, this is the biggest jack retrieval time. 30 minutes looking for a shark attack on his birthday. I was trying to find one like on his birthday like when he was young, but I couldn't, but then it worked out. So listen, come on. Just allow me

a little bit of entertainment. So again, he turns pro in 1975, served as assistant professional Beverly Park golf club in Australia, and then he kind of starts on his competitive touring career. So. Can I ask a question real quick? Sure. What kind of shark is Greg Norman?

Great one. The great white shark. Yeah, sure. Yeah, great white shark enterprises. That's what, no, I don't know. I'm with you. I don't know where the nickname comes from. Well, I think so up here, it is. Yeah, it is. Great white shark enterprises. That's what, no, I don't know. That's, I'm with you. I don't know where the nickname comes from. Well, I think so up here, Queensland is the

the great barrier reef, right? And they had great whites and all sorts of stuff. Yes, it's very sharky waters all over Australia. Maybe something to ask, Maddie as well. But I wanted to keep my questions for him topical just to his respect, his period. All right, so let's guess at some numbers here, guys. How many professional tournaments

did Greg Norman win his career? Are we including Worldwide? Like that other tour? Yeah, like many tour events. And then I will ask you how many PGA tour events he won? 71 Worldwide. 108. I would say right around 100 Worldwide,

because I mean, he probably won 30 in Australia before he even got to the European tour or the US tour. He won 88 worldwide professional events coming in the ballpark. How many on his world tour? Unfortunately zero, which we will get to in depth. How many PGA tour events? 18. 15? I'm say 21.

20. 20 even. PGA tour events. Lifetime member. Yeah. Magers? Two, right. Two UK British opens, presented by our majesty, the queen. Is that it?

Yeah, it's crazy. Ah, two British opens. How many runner-up finishes did he have in majors? Eight. Six. I think it's six, actually. I'll defer. Solid gets it.

Eight. Eight runs. How many top tens that he having majors? Seventeen. Twenty. Thirty one. Thirty. Whoa!

But TC overshoots it. Price is the right. Dude! Hey, dog or killer. I guess I guess the shark. I will ask that at the end. Yeah, maybe we wait killer? I guess, I guess a shark. I will ask that at the end. Yeah, maybe we wait till we get all the evidence. My final question.

So we will also cover that. So how many times did Norman finish number one on the money list on the PGA tour? Three, nine, four, seven times. 1986, 87, 89, 1990, 1995, 96, and 1997. That's some pretty serious longevity. That really is. Yeah. Career earnings, golf related. Like on course, PGA tour, on course,

on course, winnings, all worldwide. Just golf. I consider, especially because Norman with the World Golf Tour, I think he would appreciate that I consider all professional tournaments and his global impact. So hard to place these because of the person. Probably not that much. 31,000,000,000.

I'm not like that. I'm just gonna say about 26 million. Just over 10 million dollars. What? Oh, shit. Let me just pause. You guys can write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write, write just pause. He just can't write everyone 15 minutes.

That is all. That is all. That's off. That's a Wikipedia. So that that's, I didn't get that from a, maybe the most trusted source, but I would think that's accurate. His estimated net worth as of this maybe.

300 million. It's $194 million. 600 million. I got anywhere from three different sources. Three pre-coronavirus. They're three pre-coronavirus. That goes good. Yeah. Well, good point.

So we're talking pre-COVID-19. So $350 million to $400 million is the- That's 30% off we get right back to that. That's a good one. I got almost 15 million in just PGA tour earnings on course for his on that site. So it's got to be more than that much. Yeah, I got it.

Okay. I think we're gonna have to get back with the fact checkers on that one. Okay, well, no, I mean, I'm, if some of my facts are off it, listen. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm moving fast. I'm moving fast. So I should have, I should have checked that one.

That was more of kind of a, to get the conversation going, but let's say it's under 20. Thank you for starting the conversation. Well, no, in honor of the shark, he's chumming the water off. I'm trying to spark some discussion here. So we'll say 15 million.

But still, like if it's under 20, it's still in that, that's still pretty shocking. The onus of any of these facts is on the listener to go verify all of them. Well, none of these are validated by the, by the, the sources. We're gonna get so many Australians chiming in

and being like, you guys are fucking more on these. Like for sure. You won 3.1 million euros on the Euro tour. So that's, so we're around 18 million between PGA tour and which is lower than I thought, which to your point is good. That doesn't include Australian money, but that honestly couldn't have been that much either. That just for

inflation, you probably, you're probably up around 30 million in today's dollars, right? claim to fame regarding majors. Close, close calls. Happy. You asked for one specific one or one one specific one to be 86, right? I would say 96. No, it's related to all it's related to all four. I mean 86 was bad too, but his runner up and all four. Close. The only golfer to lose in a playoff in all four majors.

Oh, yeah, he lost in a playoff at the Masters. Yes. Well, you're there he lies. Yeah, my my my. He's got my mind. My chipped in on him. I forgot about there. If you watch that final round, which we will get to, it is, he handles it as good as you could,

but you can just see him grit in his teeth. That was 87? Fucking can't believe you just chipped that in. That was 87. That was after... After he blew it again. Fucked away. 86 at the...

Yeah. Fucked away chipped in on him. That playoff. Yes. God. And then we'll get to the other ones. We used to like chipping it on DL. So career professional playoff. Yes. And then we'll get to the other ones. We start shipping it on deal. So career professional playoff record.

This is across all tours. And then I'll give you the PGA one. This is verified. Four and 12. Okay. Two and 10. I'll cosine, solid. Six and 16.

Okay. Worldwide and playoffs. That's tough. Two and eight in PGA tour playoffs. So you guys wanna do the dog killer question? Now or? Yeah. You guys wanna wait. But I will say this.

I asked Maddie this as well. What comes to mind related to golf when I mentioned Greg Norms' name. And he said, the best driver of the golf ball I've ever seen. Other than Trump. In an era when you could separate yourself. Yes. All heads. So I said, my an era when you could separate yourself. Yes. All heads.

So I said, my note here is the ultimate driver machine. And then I have a quote from Nick Price in a 2009 world golf piece. The best driver I ever saw was Greg Norman. When Greg and I first played together in the late 1970s, his standard ball flight was a slight up shooter. His ball behaving like a rising line drive. It would hang at the peak of its trajectory and then fall out of the sky. Greg was a straight driver and long enough, but he gave the impression he wasn't getting a full payoff for that great swing. Then at

some point in the mid 1980s Greg figured it out through a combination of finding the right driver and hitting the ball more on the up swing. He began launching it much higher. Moreover, when it reached the high point of its flight, it continued to fly forward rather than flutter down like a wounded duck. And it ran after it hit the ground. By improving the final one-third of his ball fight, Greg became super long with no loss of accuracy.

Why, that could be you. My recollection of him is just, it's the tempo and the ferociousness with fearlessness. He swung, there was no fear in the driver's swing. It's the tempo and the ferociousness with fearlessness. He's wanting, there was no fear in the driver's swing. Yeah, a little bit like the really early Tigers though. He lashes that. Absolutely lashing at it, but also perfectly unbalanced.

But I found like even on Wikipedia itself, it was a quote like he intimidated fellow players with the way that he drove the ball. Like they was just like, man, that is majestic. majestic the ball the ball flight sounds like it was just a although I will say this He struggled in the early 90s with what quick hook no idea the big right the big Like the original Bryson where he bulked up a lot and then started dealing with... Well, we get he bulked up, we'll get to that in the mid to late 90s. And he basically, early 2000s career kind of comes off the rails.

2005, 2006 due to surgery back in hip surgery. And he, I got a quote in here, but he says that if he had come to strength training earlier, he feels like it would have avoided. It improved his longevity. So first win was at the West Lakes Classic at the the Grange Country Club in Adelaide. He then set off for the Euro Tour in 77, winning the Martini invitation on the same year in Scotland. He ended up beating up the Martini in invitation on. I think he wanted back-to-back years. That's the Don Hill before the Don Hill.

I think it was. I think it was. Yes. So he wins that in 77. I think he wanted back to back years. That's the Don Hill before the Don Hill. I think it was. Yes. So he wins that in 77. I think he wins in 78, too. What was the, what was the shark's first national open win? Spanish open. Denmark. Aussie open. All good guesses. The French open in 1980, one by 10 shots. But he also wins his first Australian open in 1980,

his first of five Australian opens. Sheesh. So that's kind of, and I think that's, he had his way, those would be majors. I don't know this is more. Is that so? It's more for me. It is a, or I think that's the Aussie open win

is how he got into the Masters. If I'm, is that, or maybe it was his Euro tour, but the point being, 19811 is his first masters. Do you guys remember who won 19-1 masters? Fuzzy Zeller. Raymond Floyd. Ray Floyd would be my guess. Tom Watson.

So I spent... And Mr. Watson. An hour yesterday watching the final round like the last six holes. It is, it's appointment viewing. Like I would love for us to to do a live rewatch. It's unbelievable. The clothing, the telecast, everything about it. Watson's just an absolute swashbuckler. Norman or Jack Nicholas's plan in the group ahead of Watson and Norman. Norman's fresh on the scene. Just like bleach blonde hair. He's wearing plaid pants. He hits this unbelievable like three iron or two iron into 15.

Like TC said earlier, it's the way he's hitting the ball. You can just hear the way the crowd's reacting. And it was kind of like his coming out party a little bit. And that's also where the nickname, the shark, was born. Go on. Well, I don't know much more about it than that. It was bit by a shark in Augusta. No, it's just that's where from the quote sources, that's where the nickname stuck.

I don't know who gave them the nickname though. Do you guys know? No, no, absolutely not. Okay, so listen. There's a homework assignment. Homework assignment for the audience. I couldn't find the source of the shark nickname, but I did find that it was in his third place

finish at the Masters that year. Elkington claims to have given him the nickname Tiburone, which is just shark and Spanish, but that's all I can give you. Well, I'll take one of the most reliable sources. We talk about for a second his Aussie open record because that's, so he won five of them. I want a couple at Role Melbourne.

One, T.C. you're taking over the lesson. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Is that part of it? Yes, we're all, we're all going to- I want to make sure that the Aussie open again. T.C. is the kid raising his hand up to the answer for every question. T.C. panders to the Australia. So we equally base this.

So people can follow along. We're going in a timeline year to year. And I'll try to move it along here. So what else happens in 1981? It's not golf related. Ronald Reagan starts the war on drugs. I believe that's true. I don't know. Is this a personal thing? Mary's his first wife, Laura and Dressie, and becomes a permanent resident of the United States. He moved to

Jupiter. He started the whole Joupe life. He did. He moved to Florida, but he's never become a US citizen. He's always kept his Australian passport, something he's very proud of. 1982 leads the money list on the Euro tour for the first time and wins back-to-back British masters in 81 and 82. So he starts to really buck his head over on the Euro tour. 83 seems not a ton going on. I think he continues to buck over on the Euro tour. 83 seems not a ton going on. I think he's continues to buck over on the the Euro tour. He he makes the cut at the masters both 8283 84 first PGA tour victory. Where was it? The Kimber rope. The shark. Yeah. That's exactly right. No, I'm not. I just say I always get

a little bit bold in the Kimber rope. I'm sure you're not looking at. I swear to God, I'm trying to I just say I always guess that literally in bold in the camper open. I'm sharing out looking. I swear to God, I'm trying to find who gave him this nickname. Okay. The following week, he sunk a 45 foot putt on the 72nd hole of the US open, 1984 US open to force a playoff with who? 84 US open? 84 US open.

Like Dave's talking to me. No. I just talked to Dave yesterday. I didn't tell you how I was doing. That's kind of a layup. Uh, Larry Nelson. No. Hold on 84.

No, look at my scan tron TC. I'm staring out the window. Scan tron. A, B, C, C, D, A. No idea. Fuzzy Zeller. There you have it. So they go on to play a playoff.

Monday playoff. Fuzzy make any venture. You keep going. Fuzzy make any magic jokes about the potential US Open Champion's dinner. Not that I read, but I actually didn't dig into Rick Brown's game story there. So Zeller ends up shooting 67.

What did Norman shoot in the Monday playoff? This wing foot. Wing foot, yes. the Monday playoffs is wing foot wing foot? Yes, 75 that's exactly right. Yeah, so it's kind of his first Icarita whoa, that's not even an Icarito though. That's just a slow a will point I'll drip in nine in the 1981 masters walks in the final round heat doesn't Fade like he charges, right, but Watson just holds them off So he makes like an awesome 12 foot par put on 16. Like it's an awesome drive on 17.

Ike's tree is out there and all it's glory. So is this in 84 is this kind of the first, the first scar tissue? And how old are we at this point? Like 20, what? 29, 27, 27. So 75. 75 is 20.

So he's, yeah. He's born in 29. And golfers were so much in their peaks back then. Just to add to the, kind of, you know, for the record on the dog versus killer combo that we will inevitably have here, I feel like a lot of his wins, like the two British masters wins that you referenced

back to back back 81 and 82 one the first one by four strokes one the second one by eight strokes like the guy like when he get run away ran away that's what I'm crushed people getting that is so Norman also won another national open in 1984 what was it Canadian open trophy exactly right Canadian opening he shot 62 in the final round there. So like he had the ability. Shades of Roy. He had a real jock who stole gear. Or he did get players too, which I'm sure will get to. Like he, like a true shark like he stayed underwater. Like when he went low, he stayed way down there. But then he would breach, right? Then he would just fall. Fond around like just shoot up and try to end up on the beach. Yeah. So then he breached and

and that's when he had problems. 1984 was another big milestone outside of golf. What was it? I guess inside of golf too. 84, the Los Angeles Olympics? No, it is when he found it. So not when the. Like class, it's when he founded

great white shark in our process. So that was the beginning of the business shark. What open, that's kind of surprising actually that he was, you know, to go back to the age. I thought he was a lot younger when he was contending in a lot of these majors. And I thought he was a lot older when he started all the business stuff. So then in 85, he goes hand down in Australia.

When's the Australian open? Also when's the Australian PGA championship? I believe he won the Australian Masters as well. I think he won that tournament eight times. Triple crown. All right. P the Australian Masters as well. I think he won that tournament eight times. The Triple Crown. Yeah. All right, P. The Australian Masters. But then 86 is, in my notes here, it's the auto year.

And for listeners out there, that's the year of the takeover. That's when the shark... Almost. What about could we do like Yatoa? Like, you're almost takeover. You're about to takeover. It's worth noting, yes, there's a ample amount of heartbreak, but it's really where he establishes himself as like the guy, he becomes number one of the world.

It's an absolute feeding frenzy for the shark. How many worldwide events did he win in 1986? Seven. Twelve. Nine. Eleven. Including two PGA events, Vegas invetational, Kemper Open, again, wins four wins in Australia,

his first major, the Open Championship. Obviously, 1986 is remembered for a different reason, the Saturday, slam. The shark held the lead in all four majors after 54 holes in 1986. He, again, I just want to point out he truly is a real real ordinary. You say that one more time?

Literally all four majors. It was a leader of Saturday night. The shark was the leader of all four majors. He won one of those majors. Where was the, Office of Hardware? Where was the British Open that year? He won one of those majors. Where was the office of hard? Where was the British open that year? He won the British open at Turnberry.

So we'll start with the 86 masters. Norman began to final round with a one stroke lead, which he maintained until he double-bogged the 10th. After making four consecutive birdies on Holes 14 to 17, Norman was tied with Jack Nicholas going into the 18th. Norman, quieft, quieft, quieft! a four iron into 18 green and missed a par put on the 18th that would have sent him into a sudden death playoff Jack wins. Normans quote from Rick Riley's Game piece though, which wasn't,

I go back and read that one if you have time. Quote, we heard the roars for Nicholas on 15 and then another roar and another Norman recalls. By that time, Nikki, Nick Price and parentheses, and I were back there with about 50 people following us. So I said to Nikki, let's do something to wake these people up. And so he rattles off birdies, I think three straight,

14, no I guess four straight, 14 through 17. So again, there, he didn't necessarily choke that one away. I guess he missed the putt on 18, but if you watch the putt, I mean, it is a good putt. Like even now everybody's saying, God, how did this side of the game? I think it's more of the shot from the away. I guess he missed the putt on 18, but if you watch the putt, I mean, it is a good putt. Like, even now everybody's saying, like, God, how does that go? I think it's more of the shot from the foreiron. The foreiron.

Not good. Not good. Yes. Well, you also have the 10th key. It turns out that he hit that same club on, I think he hit it on 10, which led to the double bogey. How about hitting a foreiron? I was gonna say, how much more interesting is that?

Well, it's interesting you say that because he decides to take three, what off the tee at 18. Oh. And finds a fairway, but it puts fore iron in his hands, which is the clobby. It caused a double bow again. Ten is I would argue all from Rick Riley's game piece was he really leading? Is it possible to lead the masters after 54 holes? Cause the tournament doesn't start.

That's a fantastic point. So maybe he maybe the Saturday slam is not real. Can I ask you a question? When you were chasing the mega bonus at Forest Park and got to the 13th hole, what'd you hit on the tee? I hit a three wood. Listen, the shark and I are, you know, I don't know if the shark had a deal with the sea suite though.

I don't have anybody called him on 12T at Augusta. Question for you, what is he firmly between kind of two generations? Like who are his peers? That's a good question. So it sounds like Sevy is a they traded Sevy and Fowldo. Yeah. Sevy and he traded number one in the world. Also, I forgot to ask you guys a question at the beginning. I'm just going to pause because it's an important one. How many weeks did Greg Norman spend as the number one ranked golfer in the world? He held the record before the cat, I believe. It's like, I want to say like 300.

331 weeks. Yeah. And that was another thing Mattie said other than generational driver of the golf ball. He said I don't really think, I think more about him just being number one like for like years at a time. He was really good. He couldn't win the big one but he was the best golfer in the world. I think more about him just being number one, like for like years at a time. He was really good. He was really low. He couldn't win the big one,

but he was the best golfer in the world. Like kind of just like, yeah, Norman's the best. So basically throughout the late 80s, it's a DJ. Is he Ricky? No. No, but like if Ricky ascended to number one, Ricky might be like, without winning a bunch of,

very, very, very diet, all ass per tame. Greg Norman. Going back that that only only from a branding. So perspective Watson Watson's earlier Watson earlier than him. I guess Fowdo was it contemporary as like Fowdo as well. And seven right. I think price is definitely Nick price in the 90s, right? He was number one in like 95 90s maybe. I'd say so let's go to the US open, 86.

Where was that played? Like Southern Hills. Shinnecock. Oh, right. Was that the Ray Floyd one? Yes, it was. That was my next question. Who won it?

So Ray Floyd went Norman falters. He's leading after 54 holes, finishing with a final round, 75, placing him six strokes behind Rayman Floyd. So the guy ran away and hid. I think he had a one stroke or two stroke lead, but... I feel like planning it's Ray Floyd at Chinatown. Maybe he's in fair. Playing it's Ray Floyd.

At Chinatown, which is... Speaking of another oral history that somebody should pick up is, I don't know shit about Raymond Floyd. And he seems from what I've heard maybe off the record, it seems like he might have been like the biggest alpha on the PGA tour. He might not have been the best golfer, but he might have been the biggest alpha. I'll quote, I'll quote, yeah, he own Teddy joints, man. All right, so we lose the US open after shooting 75 to Ramon Floyd.

We move on to the open championship. Norman shoots 63 on Friday at Turnberry. Tom Watson described it as the greatest tournament round ever played in which I was a competitor That quote, remember this is all pre-canduc but that quote reminded me so much of stuff that TC says It's like that's literally the greatest golf ball I've ever played It's literally the greatest hole I've ever played, but it's not the best hole in the world It's not the best hole in the course. I feel like I've read several Watson quotes, like the Bally Bunyan quote.

Like it's the greatest piece of, you know, it's like he's making a lot of a... I'm not prone to hyperbole, you take this all the way. We can check the tape. Like you say I'm not prone to hyperbole, is hyperbole. We can check the tape.

I gotta keep in place three, four times a month, a week. All right, so from Rick Rye's game piece, quote, after blowing more leads than Inspector Cleeseau, including one shot last day margins at this year's Masters in US Open, Norman delivered a steady enough 169 on Sunday to plunder Gordon J brand. And anybody else you've hardly heard of by five shots. Gordon Brand.

He felt it inside, said Norman's wife, Laura. He told me on the Concord coming over. I'd like to lead for four rounds and win. I thought that quote for so many reasons was awesome. It has the Jack Reacher. I think she found that part. The Concord, it's so good. Bonus points.

Who was on the cover of Sports Illustrated for for that article? Who was who was this was 86 this was 1986 would be like July August Darryl strawberry. God, that's pretty close really Good true good. Yeah, I can know Ricky Henderson Ricky I was close as the Yankee Bronx burner lead off man extraordinaire. Who did Norman play with that Sunday at Turnberry? Watson Japanese pro Tommy Nakahima. God, I was gonna say that. Yeah, you didn't let these guys finish. So there's a great quote and Rick Riles. I think it's Nakahima. I don't think the J is silent like an age. So it's yogging then too. I don't think the J is silent like an age. So it's yogging then, too. Anyway, he's talking about Nakajima played great the whole week

and that his dad used to make him train for rainy rounds by making him hit balls with a shower head, just dumping water on him when he was growing up. Did it rain? Sounds like a crazy. All the weather at Turnberry that week was horrible. So he shot 63. I don't think anybody else broke par in that Friday round. What is it, Sean on the edge? Apparently the wind that week was horrible. So he shot 63. I don't think anybody else broke par in that Friday round.

Like, it's a shot on his head. Apparently the win that week was crazy. And Norman just like kind of vaporized everybody. And that's why Watson's quote was like, it's the best tournament round of golf I've ever seen. Just to be clear, a lot of people broke par on that second. Oh, buddy, shot 63 though. Didn't anybody come close to that?

Uh, I see a 67. That's, he vaporized the field, but there was some underpart. So I'm just going off of Mr. Watson's quote. You know, still. No, pretty good. It makes you think. Listen, I appreciate trust but verify. Thank you.

It was 87, what all four majors? That conversation's end here, and we're gonna start a new one. So he shot a final round 69 and that, twin by five strokes. Who else led the tournament that week? I have the Wikipedia open, so I can't. KGA Tor Commissioner Dean really.

Tim Fincher. For 30 minutes on Thursday with a first round 75. He was a leader in the clubhouse for 30 minutes. How about that? Yeah. And everybody, there's a bunch of quotes about how he qualified, went over and qualified for the open and everybody, like all the players like, man, you know, great player in his own right. So, and then they asked him, he misses the cut, he's a bunch of quotes about how he qualified, went over and qualified for the open and everybody,

like all the players like, man, you know, great player in his own right. So, and then they asked, I mean, Mrs. The Cut, he's like 78 and that. He was a commissioner at the time. I believe he was, yes. Oh, he was pre, oh, I guess he was. He was, that's the thing, he was a PGA commissioner. He was a commissioner. He qualified for the D&D, the open.

That's like, I mean, everybody is freaking out when, and great, it was very impressive. When Brando goes and like, qualifies for the senior open, imagine literally the PJ tour commissioner going in qualifying for the open. And so then, so then he shoots, you can check me on this, but like 77, 78, something like that, he misses the cut and they're like,

you know, I thought he should be, you gotta be shot at it up around 75. No, we open round, but Friday. Okay, so then he misses the cut by shooting like 78 or something, and they're like, man, you gotta be happier with the performance. He's like, I'm never satisfied with a miss cut Like something just like, you know, expect him way too much I keep your wake all great man. Can you imagine? T it up. It was I've achieved him getting a ruling

You know like all the all the all the artists are the theorists of you know like slugger Paramore whomever comes up. You should did he give himself any FedEx cup points for the mist cut? Listen, I'll let you look that up, okay. I don't want to overstep anymore. Okay, so 1986 PGA championship, Norman shoots a final round 76 after holding the 54 whole lead.

I didn't know that to lose by two strokes to who? Oh, that's Bob Tway. Bob Tway. I thought that was enough, okay. Going back, this would have been federal express. All right, not that. That's true, that's Bob Tway. Bob Tway. Oh, I thought that was an up. Okay. Going back, this would have been federal express. All right. Not a bad, not a bad, straight up.

That's a great point. So, I had a question. Sorry, final round 76. He was leading. I don't know about how many, but he was the 54-hole leader, shoot 76 in the final round. So he played the final group of every major two. Was this at Southern Hills? Uh, I don't have that in my notes.

I'm not sure. Usually, the leader does play in the phone. Well, yeah, for sure. Yeah. This was kind of a rich, rich, tendon bomb. Is it kind of a kind of vibe in varness? That's right. I kind of had a quote here for sparkly. A little. You had a four shot lead going into. Yeah, it was an a carito. That's fun. Who helped?

Who else? That's what has anybody else done something similar since where they either the Saturday slam or The you know just basically getting this close in a in one specific golf year. I'd be Ricky That's what I had in my notes 2014 when he goes how five and all of them second and two of them that's a something like that definitely pinehurst But but that's why it was like pine her's like yeah I finished that everybody lost by eight. Yeah, yeah speeds run in fifth day I mean he won two of them one two though. It was a shot out of the playoff in the open championship

And then finished second to Jason day at the PGA. So one one fourth second That's listen, that's pretty good so 87 Second, that's decent, that's, listen, that's pretty good. So 87, heartbreak at the Masters, burns the edge on a 20 foot birdie to win on 18. So it's five in a row now. Yes, Jesus. In a sudden death playoff with who? Larry Mies.

And? There's another, there's a three way playoff. God. Jeff Sloomin. No. Is it Fuzzy? Sevy. Sevy. Hmm. Sevy and Is it fuzzy? Sevy. Sevy.

Sevy and Larry Mies. Sevy eliminated on 10. Tough feeling for Larry Mies. And then I would think Larry Mies. A ton of fans reading for us. That's from Augusta. That's from Larry Mies. That's from Augusta.

That's from Larry Mies. Chips in on 11, which was super salty to watch on the YouTube Masters. But if you go back and watch it, people forget that Larry Mies hit the like, the mega alpha omega quiff in the fairway. And Norman hit to like pin high, like 25 feet. I mean, he, but before the ball, it's, he doesn't even complete his backsway. And he's, oh my God, it's just fume.

Like, it's almost in the gallery, it's unbelievable. He like turns away and disgust. And then yeah, then he chips it in. I mean, that wasn't even like a chip in. That was like, he hold a lob wedge pitch. It was 40 yards, he was so far right. Well, bounce is like two or three times on the fringe, and then just just a stripping boy down to the hole.

So, but also, I got a little bit in nostalgia. They announced twice during the playoff that we're going directly to 60 minutes after this playoff is over. So, something's never changed, which is sweet about CVS. Yeah, so it's like just a reminder that we'll be going right to 60 minutes after this is over. A lot of people have reshaved for the past week.

Yeah, I watch this masters, I watch that masters. Like CVS, it's the same exact broadcast today versus, like they have not improved or enhanced one thing. We were talking about what, go back to watch the 2010, because we're like, Anthony Kim makes a run at it. And I was like, guys,

what are the chances that CBS got his big birdie run on the back nine? So that same year, TC, shout out to you and all your Aussie hitters. Norman won the Australian Masters and the Australian Open. So that's 1987. That Australian Open was at Royal Melbourne.

This would have been the time when Tron would have been on Twitter, had it existed. Be like, yeah, I know he's not winning these American majors, but you're not even paying attention to what he's doing down here in this Australian swing. He won one of the... These are probably better permits. If you look at the course...

Stop looking at my fucking notes. It's okay. No, I looked it up. Well, you're not mentioning the margin of victory too. You want to- I haven't gotten there yet. You won by 10 shots at Royal Melbourne. These victories put them back on top number one in the world.

Who did the knockoff from number one? Nick Price. No. In 88. 87. 87. Fowl though. That's heavy.

That's heavy. Yeah, so they traded. It was Norman and Sevy and the Norman. Solid was Norman kind of a OWGR manipulator with some of these international wins. Makes you think. Now I'm into this podcast. That will be another.

Another pod. Covision pod. Another pod for another. On the OWGR. 1988, a bit of a quiet year. What tournament did he win though? Can't put it open. No.

It's Australian. One near and dear to NLE's heart. A player's. No. Heritage. Oh, okay. So he had it easy. It was all sweet.

Yeah. So five-tool player exactly. So 88, that's pretty much the only note I had there. And 89. Big biggest event of 1989. Followed the Soviet Union. No, the kid was born. Come on. But yes, there was a, I think the challenger blew up too.

Wasn't that 91? Maybe it was 91. I realized that was coming out. That might not be right. So what, in 1989, what two majors did the shark almost win? I don't know. The master's in the opening. Open in the PGA.

Open PGA. The master's shark misses a 12 footer on 18 to get it off, get into a playoff. She's in the 1989 master's with who? That 89 is Sandy Lyle, Fowdo, and Scott Hoke. Oh, okay. Fowdo wins it. In 1989, what sponsor was Norman Rockin' on his sleeve?

Cobra? No, it's a good one. Spalding? McDonald's. Really? Golden Arches, yes. So, he's in deep with fast food, which was, which is pretty interesting. He's kind of antithetical to his business. I middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market.

And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the middle of the market.

And he was in the middle of the market. And he was in the' K-Mart. Yeah, so foul or... Here we go there, no. There's sharp. He was wearing Reebok and he had the golden arch that's on his sleeve. And then 1989 open championship, what happened and where was it played? What did you tell us? Yeah.

I'm trying to get you guys thinking, I know. I'm wrapped with your story. Royal Trune, the shark shot of Fonda Round 64. Is this Calc? story. Royal Trune, the shark shot of Finer Round 64. Is this Calc? Yes. Royal Tron. Starting his round with six straight birdies to force his way into a playoff

with Mark's Cowke of Echia and Wayne Grady. Going into the final playoff hole, Norman and Calc of Echia were tied. Oh my God. But two successive bunker shots by Norman gave Calc the victory. What did he shoot? So he started off with six.

He shot a fine around 64 to get into a playoff. He started with six straight birdies. That might be the ultimate agreeable. I know, but again, he like charged to get into the playoff and then he just, I think he left one of the bunker. Oh, on the final playoff hole. So I'll say this, he made a lot of runs to get very close and then it kind of fell apart at the end.

And then when he had big leads, he just lit himself on fire and was not even close. That seems to be kind of a trend. Yes, but he also ran away and hid a lot too and just nodded the masters. The masters weren't great. He didn't have a 54 hole lead and grind it to the finish and win by one or two.

Right. No, he did not have the tiger formula. You know what he kind of sounds like? Oh. Rory. Listen, a recent C have the tiger formula. You know what he kind of sounds like? Oh, Rory. Listen, a recent C bias, Rory. Rory doesn't have close calls though. Like, Rory has Rory wins or is not there. Rory does, but he has a lot of one,

he's got a lot of late leads that he's been in his off-sutton is like a non-factor by like the 13th hole. Like especially this year, it seems like he's been kind of like the last five years in the majors. Yeah. Are they late? Are they late? Are they late?

Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late?

Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? Are they late? like he doesn't outright like he's got it, he's got to make, you know, he's got to play the, exactly. He doesn't do that.

But he does a lot of the, what you're saying where it's like Saturday night, it's like, oh, Rory's for sure the guy, and then by the seventh hole, it's like, okay, yeah. Who else, what else is going on? I mean, I think the shark was the original Omar Jeff though. Like, sounds like he's just a shark comment. I mean, like blood is in the water, shark is charging.

So 1990, what elite tournament did he win for the first time? The players. No. Oh. John Deere. The memorial. Oh, okay, sure. One of Jack's plays.

In 1990, but he also misses his first cut of the gust of that year. So, would you have been there in 1990? Nope, one there yet. How many masters did he play at that point? So 81 was his first. So he made his first. So he made his first. 81 masters? Sorry, 1981. So he made eight or nine cuts in a row.

Yeah. Right off the bat. And then from a psychological perspective, is he starting to build up scar tissue at this point? Is there anything any quotes that you found? Yes, you're maybe I'm see you're sniffing around the keyster. And I like it. Okay, he's bringing the teacher in Apple here. You are. Yeah, he's trying to be the teacher's pet. This is bullshit.

All right, so also in 1990 wins the, sorry, 1990 he won the Australian Masters for the six time and finishes atop the PGA money list. So it was a good year. 91, the shark slump kind of begins. Started working with what coach? Butch Herman. That's right.

Yes. So quote from Butch Harmon. That's right. Yes. So, quote from Butch Harmon, from a golf digest piece. I started working with Greg Norman in 1991, shortly after he lost his number one world ranking to Nick Fowdo. Greg had developed a flaw on his swing. He'd slide his hips so hard towards the target on the downswing that the club would drop behind him. Sometimes, sometimes causing a fatal block to the right.

That is literally the kneel tiger. Tag the big rightness. He's got a ton of speed, but his hips are out of control. He's just, he's, he's, he's letting it go too early. I knew we had to get him to rotate his hips earlier coming down to take away some of that slide. Greg is the most focused person I've ever been around. When he wants something, he is relentless and he, he's committed to making the change. It was grueling at time, but two years later, he got back to number one. The lesson for me was great players can physically

do whatever you ask them to do. It's a very transparent process. You're either right or wrong, and you better be right. End quote. So 91, 9,000,000. How about the truth? Not only with just like all the best players ever. Yeah, he he get starting like them. He kind of rebuilds it So I don't have I don't have much as far as career wise, but then 93 is kind of the return of the shark What's the big win that year the players? To start out that that that spring I think that was 94 No, that was not it. I don't want to talk about that with no this will lay up I got the open open open at Royal St. George and and sets what record did St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. third round. Good call. Also returns to world number one.

What was that you said? 93. But bigger and off the course. No, no, grace. No, grace was at Berkdale, right? Yeah. Okay. Disregard. He gets back to number one. Sorry, we breeze past that. Any any any other notes from winning the open. No, but I think it's one of the most iconic. I think everybody's seen, you know, Norman walking down the fairway. And so that was the second and last major. Yes, I think it would but it was a big it was kind of a return and then he gets back to world number one that year. It's a pretty pretty quick return to 90 91 92. Similar to the we're kind of the well bit of a wilderness similar to the tiger.

Yeah, you know the tiger wilderness years where he's kind of rebuilding so cat 10 years before. Yeah, big news there on's kind of rebuilding. So cat 10 years before. Yeah. Big news there on outside of golf. You also broke away from his agency IMG and began representing himself in 1993. Also very much like that. And he signed a lifetime deal with Reebok that year. Reebok CEO Paul Fireman, CEO at the time. Paul Fireman.

Shout out to Liberty National. Exactly. Said this, quote, a lot of athletes want to develop a brand. Fireman says, it's not so much what you do, it's what you're willing not to do. It's refusing the easy money when someone wants to put a logo on your shirt or your hat. Something that takes you out of character and makes you a billboard. Greg was disciplined, he was willing to follow the strategy and not sell himself short end quote.

I think I saw that guy. He was after McDonald's. Well, yeah, it sounds like he cashed in a little bit, but then he... This is when the PR industry is starting to really take off. For sure. I saw that guy on an escalator one time and called him Mr. Firestone on accident. What, what else? Roy. Uh, I was at the high in Jersey City, the, the week of, uh, the Barclays at Liberty

Night. Called him Mr. Firestone? I think I did. Yeah, I think that's a, that's a big flex. I think I'd have had some pops. So go back. He's, uh, we're, we were like going opposite ways on the escalator.

I was like, oh, Mr. Fires, dude. Reebok was an absolute. That's what I was like. Goliath in the early 90s. So did he. Simon Reebok and Reebok basically, does his logo come about then and Reebok is producing all of that? Good question.

So he signs with Reebok in the 80s. So he's wearing Reebok in, I think mid to late 80s. It reminds me more of what LeBron's done, where he was with Nike and then LeBron, like five or six years ago, signed a lifetime contract with Nike. And basically a vertical inside that. So then he now, he licensed the shark logo

was created by Reebok. It's licensed to him, but he makes like a, you know, percentage profit. Like it's licensed for him, but he makes like a, you know, percentage profit. Like it's a long term deal where kind of like what Nike has with LeBron or MJ where it's like, you know, everybody's gonna win here and like you're gonna get an equity stake in this separate brand under the Nike

or Reebok on bread. When did that go by the way? So I can't imagine Reebok is still, it's still the one producing all of the shark stuff. So I've got some, we'll cover some of the business stuff at the end. I may have to have you look that up. It may be in my notes, but this is when the lifetime deal starts and this is when the shark brand of clothing really starts to pick up and he's making a percentage of profit

owns a big equity stake. And then he's a big cobra guy. Always through this as well. Cobra, Quantus Air, and Land Rover. We're kind of like the four big brands that he was associated with for a long time. So moving on, 94. People say only one, two majors. What major did you win in 94, Solid?

The players. The fifth major. Setting the lowest, 1854 hole and 72 hole records. That was on TV a couple of years ago or something. Setting the lowest 1854 hole and 72 hole records. That was on TV a couple of years ago or something. I'd never seen any of that before. It's unreal. And it was just taking it over trees. And I think they had to redo the golf course after that

because he broke the course. I mean, it was just, just a little bit. It was kind of whiff of the 97 masters, a little bit. Pretty much, yeah. Fuzzy finished second. Yeah. And set the score under. So 24 under.

He finishes 24 under six shots better than the previous record. So when Fuzzy was waving the towel on the 18th hole, I believe. Yes. So 94 is also big for another golf-related, but non-PJ tour-related situation. World tour. Exactly. Unveils the world golf tour at the Shark Shootout

at Sherwood Country Club. So I used a source morningread.com golf at a glance, which has actually has an awesome, like pretty in depth piece they've interviewed Norman recently. This was from November 19th, 2019. So it's coming to Alex Macelli. Shout out to Alex. It sums it up pretty well.

Norman, quote, Norman's plan called for eight tournaments. This is related to the World Golf Tour in 95 with the first event to be held in March. The field would consist of the top 30 players, 30 available players from the Sony ranking and 10 sponsor exemptions. First prize for each tournament would be 600 K. Last place in the field of 40 would be guaranteed 30k. Season, the season long winner would get a million dollars. For reference, PGA prize money that year, Norman got 450k for winning the players. Ernie L's got 350k for winning the US Open. Norman goes on to be quoted in this article saying, kind of in relation to why you wanted to do this. Quote, wow, wouldn't it be cool if we could still play our 15 tournaments in America and

Princes required to maintain pga membership and still be obligated to pga yet still be able to grow the game of golf on a global basis It's all about growing the game and then he goes on to be quoted as saying we always looked at ourselves as independent contractors said Norman Noting stars such as Spaniards Sevi by Starros and Jose Maria Althable Who were more inclined to compete in Europe rather than America. Norman says it was very honoris, the regulations we signed onto as members of the PGA tour. If you were an international player, Sevi and myself actually went toe-to-toe with the tour, trying to get people to understand that we were independent contractors and you cannot prevent us from making a living anywhere in the world." So some relevant stuff, I think.

I think it's interesting Tim Finchim's first years PGA Tour Commissioner in 1994. And in this article he's also asked if he timed up the World Golf Tour to test Finchim. He obviously normanded in eyes of that. He's like, no, I just wanted to make it a global game. Or to test Finchham. He obviously normed and denies that. He's like, no, I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted to make it a global game or whatever. Finchham. Definitely. So Finchham. So Finchham began, so the F, actually at the same time the FTC was looking into whether, you know, it was kind of legal for the PGA tour to prevent players. So they were opening an investigation. Finchham cuts them off at the pass. He began hearing that FTC investigators

were going to recommend that the commission take legal action against the tour. At the same time, he was getting intel about the proposed world tour. On November 15th of 1994, he sent a preemptive memo to the PGA tour members advising them that anyone who participated in the renegade events would be suspended. So, time is a flat circle, guys. Norman said, quote, if that would have happened today, it would have prompted a massive lawsuit, but I just didn't know enough back then. I was gonna say, why would you have all

there bluff with the FTC and be like, cool, FTC, continue your investigation? Well, it could have been the same as what's going on now, where all the rest of the players just were like, all right, cool. I don't want to be suspended and it just lost all its steam. And then there was no players to play. So it's like, why do you keep, you know, why would you keep the loss? So this will add some context.

So in a night, 2013 golf.com article, I couldn't find the actual, the author, which Sean Zach was a contributing author at the bottom. Quote, it's kind of an interview with Norman. He says, quote, the abyss of my professional career was my run-in with the PGA Tour Commissioner Tim Fincham over the World Golf Tour. My idea for an international series of tournaments.

It was a beautiful plan and good for golf. I had the support of numerous marquee players, a lucrative TV contract in place, and most important, I structured it so the players owned it. I've always believed that if you help build equity in something, you should receive some of the spoils. Unfortunately, Finchum and the media ripped me to shreds. They said I was trying to ruin the game.

It got so bad that a lot of PGA club pros who carried Greg Norman Collection clothes began canceling their contracts. I was devastated. But I was so sure the world tours promised that I called each one of them to explain my side of the story because I was never offered the chance to do so with the PGA tour. It took weeks.

I asked each one of them to hear me out and draw his own conclusions. Everyone kept their contract. My tour never got off the ground, yet three years later, the PGA tour launched the World Golf Championship. I guess they didn't like the fact that it wasn't their idea. End quote. Thank you, Greg, for the World Golf Championship. I guess they didn't like the fact that it wasn't their idea. End quote. Thank you, Greg, for the World Golf Championship.

I think it's interesting the PGA club pros being in solid area with the PGA tour. They've never been... That again sounds like a politician's speech of... 100%. He personally called them. But again, I want to give the shark a chance to speak for himself. Of course.

He's welcome to come on and refute any of this for sure. In 94, who do you think the Ilgatan funds are coming from? It's not the Saudis, maybe it's the Sultan of Brunei, maybe Saddam at that point. I should have the shower on that. The salt and the brunai in 96 came to Atlanta, or is one of his wife, one of him, I don't know, came and went on a shopping spree that like the Atlanta Journal could constitution, covered, he spent like 10 million bucks in that bucket.

And I just remember like my mom telling us that, I mean like, whoa. Like he's the richest man in the world. I didn't know you could. So do you have any light from your Peter Jacobson conversation? He talked about, he basically just said, Arnold Palmer said, I'm out. And then once Arnold, it's kind of similar to how it's happening now with like, Rory saying I'm out.

It's kind of a trickle-down effect of, you know, Arnie says, we had a chance to do these a million times like the three of us. Like, we, and we helped kind of build this PGA tour. This is, this is greed. I'm out. That's pretty much the end. It's just kind of viral, because Arnie and Jack kind of did the same thing. That's different.

I mean, with the PGA of America, basically, it was the break off to start the PGA tour was essentially the, they were supporting like the 27,000 PGA professionals all around the world. It was basically the people who were working golf shops versus the people who play competitively. Yes. So it was. They went from supporting club pro guy too.

Yeah. Which now it's like Ches Reves. I was gonna say now Ches Reves, the only one who still works in the golf shop that plays on the PGA tour. All right, so moving on to 95. God, that's fascinating. Good stuff.

Finish third at the Masters and second at the US Open. Shout out to Crenshaw. Yes. What tournament did he win that year? Kempere open. Good guess, but no. Memorial. Yes.

Second Memorial. Also Norman builds the medalist club in Hobb. Is that right? Hope sound. Hope sound Florida, more on that to come. 96, what do you remember about Norman 96 guys? Who? Do we even need to talk about it?

Oh yeah, there's probably, there's some stuff to it. There's some interesting stuff to it. So what record did he set that year at the Masters? He shot the lowest opening round in Masters history with a 63. That's exactly right. Are you looking to eat?

Are you not? I'm not. I'm not in my calendar open. Okay. Very good. Very good. He's shot. Very good.

He shot, if I think I can recite it back, I think he shot 63, 69, 72, 78. I don't know the middle two rounds, but you're right about the first, he shot 78 in the final round. He shot 15 shots higher in the final round than he did the opening round. It got worse every day.

So he held the lead through three days, sleeping on a lead of how many strokes? It was a six shot lead going. Exactly right. He lost the tournament by how many strokes? Five, that's right. To Nick Fowdo, bow to three 67.

Six and seven and the Shark Shot 78. That'll cost you. They have a stationation. The lead from Rick Riley's Game Piece after the 96 Masters on the drive to the golf course, she saw a graveyard and she secretly held her breath, closed her eyes and made a wish. When your dad is Greg Norman,

you stop trusting Sundays and you start working on all the angles you can, six-shot lead or no can, six shot lead, or no six shot lead, end quote. Oh, do you have the whole by hole? Because the most staggering part about it is how early it was over. I do not have it,

but maybe one of my fact checkers can pull that out for us. I know, I remember thinking the whole time watching it, that it's like, that's not over. It's not, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, now four. A lot bogies on four. Yeah, it's not, oh sorry, Valdor did make a bogie. He bogied number five. Anyway, so they go, he bogied nine to, the lead was only, was down to two at the turn. So it went from four to two. So he shot two over on the front and Valdor shot two under.

How clear are they of the next? He's, the next guy is Michelson five under. So they, he had a six shot lead over third place. So then Norman Bogeys 10 Bogeys 11 and now they're tied and they doubles 12. So he's two shots back. They both birdie 13 still two shots back both par 14, both birdie 15. He almost chipped in for eagle on 15. I mean, he falls near the pond and like that, that's the clip. So that would have got him within one. And then he steps up on 16 and just hits like the weirdest, highest, just up in the air

forever hook that just splashes in the middle of pond. And it was, he doubled it and he was done by four and it was over. Fought up birdie the last just to put a little knife in his back. How those, listen, we, we bag, how the hell he's so fucking good. Taylor, Fowdo's a killer. Yes. Fowdo doesn't have these hard birdies. I'm also, I'm kind of curious how Fowdo fell off.

So I would thought, yeah, I would've thought he would've been a good like champions tour. But how do you feel like we were in Harbortown in like what 2014 or 2015? He's like 84. Cat killed in ruined his career. Yeah. I'm serious. People like the theorized, there's something to that. I have to do a deep dive on that,

but basically it was like, once you saw what Tiger did or the gust, he was rattled by it. He tried to gain distance and rework his game. Imagine being like the biggest alpha, and then seeing someone that's that much better than you try and it's like, oh God, now I need to keep up, now I need to like, do I need to change everything I'm doing? What's going on?

Well, that's kind of what, in that golf world piece I cited earlier with Nick Price, he kind of describes that like all these young guys are just like blown at bias. And he's like, he said, the quote in there is, you know, everybody, it used to be, you couldn't swing as hard as you could, and he had a real issue adjusting

because it was like fundamentally against his principles to just like try to hit it as hard as he can, because that's just not what my game's based on, right? It's about like tempo and finding tempo basically, but then all these young guys come out and just start wailing on it, because the drivers got so hot and they could just miss it anywhere off the face.

That's why I listened. Perpetual shout out to Jim Fierrick in that regard too. I will never forget the wild world of golf that we did which I promise will come eventually. Tron's blown past him and he's just like it. That's cool man. That's cool. Let me just hit this wedge into six feet. From the honey hole.

That's that's it. That's got to be so hard to do. Some moralizing's it. That's got to be so hard to do. It's a moralizing. Yeah. That's got to be so hard to do. I think I think Fowl to a 98 left lead better and start and changed his swing. Start to search. But here's the thing. So he loses that everybody remembers, remembers 96 for the masters.

He led the, he led the money list in 96. And he's number one player in the world. 95 96 97 lead the money list. So it's not like he had a- That's what made it harder, is it? He was the clearest player. He was like, come on. He's finally getting this master still.

This is it, this is your- How old is he at this point? So- 41. Yeah, in this- So- 96 minus 55. Yeah.

40-41. Did Cats rebuild to start immediately after the masters in 97 what else did cat do I think he played the rest of the year didn't he and there was kind of like offseason 97 98 And then was kind of back I think something we have to look at that But I know he writes about it in this in the book It's like I knew I had to rework things I if I could tie timed it up so well for that one week But I needed something that would be better when the timing just wasn't absolutely perfect for an entire week.

So, in 96, is kind of when the, some of the off the course, Norman stuff starts to pick up speed a little bit. Norman joins Bill Clinton on his first trip to Australia on an invitation to play golf. He almost didn't go because Clinton was a Democrat, but after talking to George H.W. Bush, he said, he said,

he said, Lyssa Manu, you need, you need to, to join Slick Willie down under. I'm gonna fact check you real quick. What? 97, you said he led the money list? 96. 96, 95, 96. I thought you said 95, 96, 97. He didn't, you know, 97?

Yeah, 97, he was third in scoring average behind Nick Price and Tiger. Nick Price Tiger, Norman Davis Love, Tom Lehman, and then money List wasn't even the top five. Okay. My mistake, thank you for the fact checking. We're moving fast, we're breaking stuff. Okay.

But that's what we're bringing it to a quorum here. So again, I still have some stuff here on 97, so we'll get there. But thank you, TC. So it goes down to Australia, they play like New South Wales and we're all Melbourne and they become friends more on that later. 1997. In January 97, Norman won his largest winners check to date, $1 million when he won what tournament. The Sun City one in South Africa. The players. The Anderson Consulting World Championship of Golf. Shout out to Entron. In 1970 also won the FedEx

St. Jude Classic and the NEC World Series of golf at Firestone. So he's just beating up these WNC's to be fair. And I think he won the NEC World Series at least twice, maybe three times, but you can check me on that T.C. Shout out to Firestone. I'm a Mr. Firestone. We're gonna go back 96 here. I'm gonna fact check you on 96. He was not in the top five on the Money List. Really? Tom Lavin, Nick, Mark Brookes, then you should encourage me.

Shame on me for trusting Wikipedia. You're seeing career Money List leaders, and he was number one at that point. Norman Kite, Couples, Paven, Paine Stewart. Don't try to throw Wikipedia into the bus. Well, no. It's more accurate Kite, couples, paid in painstead. Don't try to throw Wikipedia into the bus. Well, no. It's more accurate than many, many people. No, it is, it is, but that's the...

That sounds like user error. No, it is. I didn't check those. I took him at face value from the Wikipedia page. Let's, let's 95, you did leave the money list. Okay. By about a million dollars, or by about $100,000 over, I'll give you guys three guesses.

You're not gonna get. Great job. I'm John a complete man. So it was fifth was Elkington, fourth was Pathan, third was Lee Janssen, second was Billy Mayfair. Oh, Jesus. All right, we'll see you see Icarita regrets the air, but we're gonna move on. So 97, and if you wanna check the NEC World Series at golf, I believe you want it twice at least,

maybe three times. Let's trust you there. Let's take a round the horn, or a PTI. We'll keep the corrections for the last bit of the show. Okay, let's keep moving. Thank you, DJ, thank you. March 14th, 1997, what happens? Say that again. March 14th 1997, what happens? Divorce. No. Bill Clinton breaks his leg. Yes.

This is like in my notes again. No, I'm not. T.C. is always trying to show up the teacher. No, because you, you teased it. Well, actually, he's my dad said quote from the New York Times, quotes, Bill Clinton severely injures his knee at Norman's house in Florida. The incident garnered the attention of Kenneth Star, the prosecutor in charge of the investigation of Monica Lewinsky scandal. Shout out to Jimmy Walker.

Turns out. Well, all the boys are failure. So it turns out he tore his quad muscle off his kneecap. And I want to play a quote for Norman. Did Norman break his ankles on the basketball court? How did it happen? I'll get there. I'm a pod muscle off his kneecap. And I want to play a quote for Norman. Did Norman break his ankles on the basketball court? How did it happen? I'll get there.

Okay. I think Norman's going to speak for himself here. He flies down and he lands in the evening and he's coming to my house and we go inside. First of all, we went partying. The president didn't drink one drop of alcohol. I did that. There was no Monaco, Lewinsky there. I can tell you that. I didn't say my plane to pick up Monaco, Lewinsky.

I can tell you that. It's so dramatic. What's this from? Business insider. So we're sitting in my house. He's drinking Coke and we're having some to eat. It's getting late. So we were talking to a past two or a clock in the morning, I think it was, and we were

getting up early to go play golf and it was time to turn in and going out the front door down the front stairs. He'll go caught on the bottom step. His momentum kept going forward and he fell forward and he just tore off, he's quite muscle off his kneecap. Next minute, you know, I'm surrounded by secret service and counter assault teams, they call an ambulance and they just tore off, he's quite muscle off his kneecap. Next minute you know I'm surrounded by secret service and counter assault teams they call an ambulance and they whisk him off. It was excruciating pain for him.

He reviews to take any narcotics because if you took a narcotic drug then you have to hand over the power to the vice-prone of the United States and he didn't want to do that. And here's the testament of this man. Fast forward to about five o'clock in the morning. I get a phone call from Air Force One and it's the president and he said Greg, he said I'm so disappointed I never got to meet your kids. Can you get them to Air Force One before I take off? How many of us call up your friend and say he bring your kids over here? I forgot I didn't get a chance to meet him before I go and have surgery. I took him to Air Force One and he was gracious enough to allow my kids to come and meet him, walk around Air Force One, and then leave.

That's the quality of the human being that President Clinton is earned out. That's why he became one of the best presidents in the United States ever had. That's why. I wanted to let the sharks speak for himself really shoehorned that in at the end there that meeting his my kids meeting him is what they didn't become one of the best. He almost didn't want to go play golf with him in Australia because he was a Democrat. So we crossed the other.

Again, back to New York Times from the article the day after a quote reporters traveling with Mr. Clinton were not alerted to his fall into more than an hour and a half after the accident. Mr. McCurry, who I believe was part of the press team, said it, it had taken some time for Mr. Clinton to be examined at Mr. Norman's house and then to be taken to the hospital. And then more time to determine that he would not be returning to the house right away. Quote, you were able to cover the story and America got to wake up to the news. He said, that's the way it should be.

End quote. Solly, can you hit the conspiracy button? They had to fly him back from Epstein's. I was going to say what I'm getting at. I'm going to his friend Jeffrey Epstein who was on the site. His leg was totally fine. So, you know, he's there up. And people quote, shouldn't really look into it very much. Yeah, talking till late in the night and it

took about an hour and a half to maybe clean up the scene. Who knows? So that was, yeah, so that was 97. 98, he has some back and hip problems. So injury start to catch up. We're talking a little bit. We're talking, we're back to the shark now. 99 is kind of the sharks last gasp a little bit. Or, we're talking about, we're back to the shark now. 99 is kind of the shark's last gasp a little bit, though you could say there's one final breach later on in the 2000s. The shark's last gaps, he was tied for the leave of five holes to play at the masters and finished third to who.

Jose, Muriel on the table. That is correct. And then just other notable wins, not really PGA tour. He Tomi Manskeed, the Fred Meyer classic with Brad Faxon, back to back to back, 95 to 97. Thank you for the proper attribution for Tomi Manske. Yes, a lot of people forget about the third championship. Manske levels. I usually say now when it's back approaching a Manske level.

That's Peter Jacobson's charity tournament in Portland, which I'm not sure if they still play or not. He won the shark shootout in 98, his's charity tournament in Portland, which I'm not sure if they still play or not He won the shark shoot out in 98 his own charity tournament with who a little look at me Elk oh sure. Yeah, he and El teamed up for that. Yeah me and Greg We were mates and then he won what tournament in 2001 The players Okay, yeah big payday. Yeah, huge. He's picking off all the right ones.

So I, I, he played a little bit on the champion's source. So what's fast forward a little bit is 2005. Turns 50 doesn't do much on the champion's tour due to being an international business mobile, as well as hip and back surgery in 2005, 2006. In a 2004 interview, he says he thinks he could have avoided injuries if he had come to strength training earlier in his career.

But then he goes on to say in the same interview, quote, I was the one who first changed all that. Now 85% of tour players follow regular strength training programs according to Norman. My family's the same way. It's so easy for us to all self-regulate. I'm aware of my body because I want to be around a long time, end quote.

I wonder if him and Gary Player are like, they're almost like the same soul kind of like in two different dimensions. You kind of beat me to it because I was going to be like, listen, and I think you're on Gary Player's block number one. And number two, just like every quote from Norman, I hear it's like, he kind of alternates with saying between saying like,

I was the first to do it, or if he did get hurt, it's like, well, if I just would have known earlier, you know, like, it's like, if I just would have known earlier you know like it's like I just would have fall my own advice 10 years ago but it's like he's the kind of the source of everything problems I was too shy yeah I just you know I just I just didn't know about it can we say I don't know when this comes in exactly but the the norm in ESPN the body issue I how badly he puts keptpp get a shame. That's 2018. Okay. A long way to go. Yeah. We're now in a half in. So I wasn't sure we're getting.

Is he deep in the wine game at this point? Well, we'll get I struggle to put the end of the business stuff in because it was hard to find when those time on that. So we're going to go over those at the very end. 2006. This one thing start to heat up in the in the page six of the New York Post. Greg Norman leaves his wife of 24 years. I believe for a tennis player Chris Everett, who was married to good friend of Greg Norman's Olympic skier Andy Mill. Not that good, a friend. Yeah. Mr. Still Your Girl, what do you guys think the divorce settlement was for Laura and Rossi? 38 million dollars. Okay, I'm gonna say a little less, 24.

I'm gonna say a lot less and not very much at all. I think it was pretty agrimonious and I think he took the screws. You're all wrong, it was 105 million dollars. He still allowed me to fact check you out. If you trust Norman and interviews, he says, we have a great relationship, everything's solid. And we remain great friends this day. If you ask Lauren Drossy, you hear something different.

According to her, Greg Norman and Chris Everett accused her of trying to sell their wedding photos for profit within six months. In 2007, slash 2008, 2007, Greg Norman, I guess 2008, Greg Norman and Chris Everett get a divorce after 15 months. Why? According to People Magazine, which I think is the attributable source on the topic like this, Norman and Everett never set up a home together. He stayed in Jupiter Island, his mansion tranquility, while Everett remained in her nearly $3 million Boko Raton home. the couple would sleep over at each other's houses.

And then it also goes on to site issues. You got to have some space. Sites issues with kids, people magazine again, quote, Greg got in between Andy and his sons, which caused a great deal of turmoil for Chris, says a close source. On one occasion, Andy flew from his ass,

been home to Bokar retone to spend time with his sons, and before Andy even touched ground, Greg whisked Nicky off in his private jet. He took him to his own ranch in Colorado, leaving a very unhappy Andy crying on the phone to his son. Another time Norman told Colton, another one of Chris Everett's sons, that he needed to spend time with him

instead of going to a planned meeting with his own father. End quote. Call her Chris one more time, you know. That's Jim Rowe. And then a quote from Andy Mill, quote, divorce is like a golf swing. It always makes someone happy. End quote, huh? I said in the same argument, I didn't really know what that was about, but I thought I'd

share it. I've got a timeline of this business enterprises. Okay. We'll catch it up. Yeah, yeah, we'll go there next. 2008. Greg Norman shares the 54 whole lead with rounds of 70, 70, 72 at the British open at age 53.

This was sick. Where was that one? I burnt down. I burnt down. Burkdale? What did he shoot in the that one? I worked out. I worked out. Burkdale. What did he shoot in the final round? 78.

77. To finish third and plus nine. Who won that year? Paul Drigherington. At plus three, I believe. Burkdale's sweet. So another kind of the final Icarito moment. But yeah, and then the next year.

53 years old was leading the British. But that was sick. That was sick. I paved the way for next year. Tom Watson kind of cucks him the next year. He has it at 59, so kind of one-offson. And then- Amazing how much older Watson seemed

exactly the norm in. So we get to the business stuff here shortly. From the Australian.com, this is related to 2009. In 2009, when Norman's neighbor, Tiger Woods, who has never said more than 20 words in Norman, despite living a kilometer down the road, was going through his messy break up with his wife over his infidelities. Norman received a phone call from Bill Clinton. Clinton said, quote, he called me up

when I was in the backyard hitting balls recalls Norman. He said, Greg, go down there and talk to Tiger. The only one who can talk to him and tell him that how he's got to handle this, end quote. So I guess Norman became the subject matter expert on the SC divorce accord. And how did that go? Tiger was super appreciative. Yeah, I know, it doesn't really go on to say much.

Tiger had to pay out $109 million. So then, thanks, Greg. I think it was so awesome out to you. His divorce with Chris Everett in late 2008 or 2009, 2010 Norman Marius Christen Cutner on Richard Branson's nectar island estate in the Bahamas. There we go.

According to an interview with Andrasi in Adelaide now, Andrasi learned of their affair when she overheard a conversation between the pair in the early 90s, but Greg vowed to end the affair. Oh, so this was a long lasting flame. She was kind of the true apple design. The mistress for years, for over 18, 20 years.

So they're married. Cutner says in that same, I think the Australian. He was got hundreds of tabs over. Cutner says, quote, there's nothing better than relaxing with Greg. He's my absolute best friend. Physically, his energy is electric. tabs over. Koutner says, quote, there's nothing better than relaxing with Greg. He's my absolute best friend, physically his energy is electric. When he turns his steely gaze on you, it is almost unruly. He is such an interesting man who is curiously not egotistical or vain, but instead he is

fiercely protective, thoughtful, sensitive, devoted, affectionate, and romantic. Really? And quote. It's like your opinion, man. Yeah. Well, listen, again. You got to let them stick it all sides. You got to let them stick it all sides.

You're right. So moving on, 2012, this, this is sick. From Tim Rose for Gulf Digest piece, quote, the shark has demanded his name. And that of Codaziner Pete Dive, he'd taken off the medalist course he founded. And once his memorabilia returned, including the signature shark above the bar

in the men's locker room. Norman's issue with the club's hiring of former die-disciple sticky-ikki Bobby Wee is due to a frustration of the original Norman die design that opened in 1995 instead of using Norman's design company. I had never heard that. I added the sticky-ikki part, sure. That wasn't part of the quote.

I got a really acrimonial. So the club president was D-mud. Was the club president that Norm went to war with. He was also the former president, Kamae Farms in Chicago. And it turns out, this is the best part though. This is the best part. He insisted that his name remain on the locker room wall as the winner of both the gross and net dishes.

The club member guest. So we took everything. We said, leave my fucking name. I love one rose before it gets deep into the internal politics of these police. Paul Beach County. Shoot clubs or shout out, you know, Bob Ford, you know, what can you say?

And all the little updates that are so insider. So then, then this is when the Instagram stuff picks up. It's all, it's mainly all business now, but 2017, the shark becomes a go between between Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbill and Donald Trump. Turnbill is ambassador to the US, asked Norman for DT's cell phone and Norman shares the contact info saying, quote, I don't normally give out cell phone numbers of people in my database. But considering it was for the prime minister to call the president of the United States,

I thought this would be the right thing to do. He's kind of like an ambassador. Thank you for your service shark. Turns out they had a horrible conversation. Yeah. Like they got really, really acrimonious. But the shark kind of broke with that interaction between the two.

How about the fact that, remember that? That was like 2017. Yeah, that was big, big early in 2017, right? It was like one of the first things where everybody was like, oh my god, he's gonna nuke all of our allies. And the sharks set that up. The sharks set that up. How about the fact that DT's?

Also, Huck, you know, the DT's number. The same cell phone number. Yeah, that's okay. Before what? Yeah. Well also, so the shark has a long, long relationship with DT. He's designed, I think one Trump course, shout out to Dunebag. Well, Dunebag as well, but he designed another one in the US. I think it's like, it's designed, I think one Trump course, shout out to Dunebag.

Well, Dunebag as well, but he designed another one in the US, I think it's in Kentucky. I don't know, we'll get to the business of in a second, but they've also had some falling outs because DT's chosen to use other people to restore courses instead of Norman, and it seems like Norman takes it really personally when people don't allow him to restore the courses that he has his name on.

Which is like, hey man, we're kind of doing this with someone else because you kind of fucked it up. Well, that's what I could definitely see taking that very personally. Well then we hear, it's basically like your work of art, right? Then you hear, like, yeah, let's paint over it. How the FAS treats it. Exactly, right? It's check clear, right?

So Norman, you know, maybe he needs to separate the personal and the business. Like going back to TPC Sugarloaf, they've done that 18th hole like six times. And there's some really good holes out there, but it's also, it's the least walkable course on the planet. Well, they have to make room for the shark experience. Exactly. It's all, right?

Can I say, it's a whole ecosystem? Yeah, very regrettably. I really wanted to hate and dunk out and poof on the shark experience but it's pretty good. I thought okay. 2018 will finish it up here with the timeline June 25th 2018 poses for the body issue of ESPN the magazine which was quite a sight. Your review? I mean he's kind of built like a brick shit house to be honest like good for him he's in shape as an an older guy. I can't believe you, you didn't put him almost cutting his arm off with changing stuff.

Oh, I missed that, I'm sorry. That was a big one. I was hoping it up. What else did I miss? That's part two. In the business, we'll go to the business stuff next. But I got nothing else. Okay.

That was exhaustive. He does remind me of a guy on like a new Genics commercial though. Yeah. In the body of shit. He's a Genics is a good pull. He should join Frank on like a new Genix commercial though. Yeah. In the body issue. He's a good, that's a good part. He should join Frank Thomas as a new Genix version. All right, great white shark enterprises.

How many businesses are a part of great white shark enterprises? 17. Sally. 8. Tron. 20. 11. Greg Norman Golf Course Design.

Greg Norman Collection. Greg Norman Estates, which is the one. Greg Norman Real Estate, Great White Shark Opportunity Fund, Shark Wake Park, Shark Experience, Greg Norman Iwer, Wake Park. Greg Norman Australian Prime, Greg Norman Australian Grill, Greg Norman Turf Company, Greg Norman CBD, and some non-GWSC partnerships include CBD and some non GWSE partnerships include, he's partnered with Colberg and company to acquire Trunegolf, like a stake in Trunegolf. Norman is also the leading investment partner in Alchemy Global, potentially a sister company of Prestige Worldwide, a firm that seeks investors for sports startups. You forgot Greg Norman's signature

wagyu beef jerky. No, that did. I did mention that TC. Greg Norman Australian Prime. Thank you very much. That's the beef jerky. Forgradably that restaurant, like a, that's Greg Norman Grill. Greg Norman Grill in Murdle Beach. Yes. That's his only location. It is the prize, man. It's really good. Greg Norman Australian Prime is premium Waggy Beef and premium Waggy Beef jerky. Okay. Also worth noting the shark wake park

is established by his son, Craig Norman Jr. Yes, that's a joint partnership with Craig Norman Jr. And it is two locations in both, I believe both are in Florida. I'm gonna do that. There's the Challenger series, the one they did on the Schwab videos that they did on the shark.

He talks a lot about the wake park and that and they do flyovers of it. I didn't know that was a source. His son was a professional kite-border and wake-border. He's been 15 years traveling the world. I never knew that. That makes more sense. I didn't know that was a pro kite-bording circuit.

The more you know, it must be nice. You know who the shark, he's reminded me of a lot of people throughout this, but remember in Zoolander, when they're doing the awards and Fabio goes up and he says, it's nice to be recognized as the best actor slash model and not the other way around. Yes. That's the shark.

That's business man. Best businessman, golfer, not the other way around. So let's start with, there's a timeline on his business website, Greg Norman, enterprise shark.com. Okay. He owned shark.com. Which is a pretty serious business. I missed that. I missed that.

1984, first PGA Tour win at Camper, of course. 86, the Norman Slam season. Also the Saturday Slam. Yeah, so I'm not sure if that's, if that's talking about. Do you think Saturday like SAT or SAT? Because I feel like you can get away with Spone. S a day Saturday. Yeah, it's SAT.

Maybe maybe Norman was the original barstool. You know, Saturdays are for Norma. That's hard to say. Alonza Morning Jim. 87 he started his design business. 89 was the inaugural shark shootout, which talking to some of the people down there at around the club down there.

They said that he's always an interesting element of, it's now it's what the Franklin Temple, or the QBE Shootout, it was Franklin Temple to shoot out for a while. Yeah, Shark Logo 91, ReBock thing 92, Shark Enterprises 93, top of the food chain 95, number one player in the world,

96, the creation of the winery. Okay. Or just, I think he started sourcing stuff. 97, real estate. It's a good timing, a bunch of wine on hand. 9080 started a production company. 99, the Australian Grill opens up. 99.

I'll show you how you have the only. Got Shark.com. 2000 carried the Olympic torch across the Sydney Harbor Bridge. 01 World Golf Hall of Fame. 04 Environmental Institute for Golf. 05, he brings the Wagyu beef to America. The environmental institute's part of the turf company. Okay.

06 the way of the shark is published. He picked up the pen. 09. President's Cup. Captain. Oh, God. I wish I would have seen this timeline before. God.

2010 inspiring the next generation. Greg Norman champion's golf academy established in Myrtle Beach. 2010, he's starting to see clearly, Greg Norman Ioware launched. 2011, he leads the president's cup for the second time as a captain. 2013 was a big paradigm shift, repositioning brand and strengthening B2B focus. 2015, Greg Norman production company sells to Wasserman. Hashtag team was.

I've seen it either production. I've not either. 2015 also key milestone Greg Norman golf course is on opens 100th golf course, Eastern golf course. Yes, you're in Australia. 2016 great white shark enterprises rebrands as Greg Norman company Also 2016 the Wake Park opens up in Merdle Beach

Also 2016 Greg Norman design group like interior design. Okay opens up, which I think is his wife Yeah, well, I've got that in the news as well. 2017 accelerated gross strategy There's a, well, we got a fire. 2017 also the shark experience. Yes. Wow. Yeah. So it seemed like late, late night, like 97 through 99 was really when it started to really ramp up as far as the wine and the listen.

He had his boy, uh, slick willy just boost in the economy. Yeah. T.C. Thank you. Just sellers as my as my T.A. for for today's episode. Yeah, TC, thank you. Just sellers, my, as my TA for today's episode. Thank you for, thank you for adding there. So I want to go, I want to talk about a couple of the businesses specifically, Greg Norman Golf Course Design.

So one of my questions was how many courses do you think there are in the world? Did Greg Norman's design? I'm going to donate. Yeah, yes, it's over 100. I didn't get a specific count, but 100 plus. Course open across 34 countries and six continents according to his website.

What course do you guys think of when you hear Greg Normus name? I mean, very recent sea bias, but Dunebag is the first one that comes to mind for me. Reasonsy bias, the Bahamas one, the Exuma. Yeah. TC. Probably TPC Sugar Loaf, just because that was kind of the heyday.

Yeah. That 97, 96, 97. What is his best course? I think a Tiburone in Naples, just because it kind of has his name. But he did of course at PGA West. I think they play... If you do Ellerson down in Australia for Kerry Packer. Mm-hmm.

Isn't the San Antonio one supposed to be kind of good? TPC San Antonio. Yeah. So the one in Vietnam, so super sweet too. Ho Tram Bluffs or something like that. Well I've got some highlights here. Did I picked off Pompano Beach Municipal Golf Course? Pompano.

Pompano. Don't know much about it, but we'd love to check it out. Maybe it's a potential strap destination. Yeah. Allegria slash Sodak in Shake Zayed City, Cairo. For maybe five in the Middle East, four courses. Loda Belmondo in Hune, India. He also has four courses in China, 15 plus in Australia,

and El Desafio in Patagonia, Argentina. Sure. Yeah, two in South America, one in Cartagonia, Argentina. Sure. Yeah, two in South America, one in Cartagena, one in Argentina. All right. What else is left? I feel like we're bumping up against it here. The Greg Norman collection. But I would also like to finish on one,

I want to give a shout out to the shark because I have a few items other than this hat, but I have a pole over and the clothing's good. Sure. Like I like the way it feels and so shout out to the shark on that, shout out to Reebok too, probably. But lastly, Greg Norman of States, Tron, I wanna know what you as our resident Somalia thinks

of Greg Norman's wine operation. To be honest, I haven't, you know, I've had, the Australian wine industry tough because the churraz, as they call it, it was kind of a race to the bottom. And he was probably part of this, they commoditized it was kind of a race to the bottom. And he was probably part of this. They commoditized the shit out of that varietal

and basically made it fungible and made way for yellowtail. As I was gonna say, it turns out a big yellowtail, guys. All those to kind of, you know, just, they planted so many acres over hectares of vines down there. They've actually over the last decade or so. They've ripped out half their vines and got back to quality of equality. So Australian wine is kind of on the rebound,

but I can't really tell you too much about like the operation, whether he's growing the grapes or sourcing them from a variety of different growers as more of a negociant. And then, I mean, I'll give you a little bit of background. So fosters, which we all know is Australian for beer. I took a 30% stake in the business for the rights to use Norman's name. Really?

Greg Norman's States produces 14 different varietals from Australia, California, and Argentina. The brand is known for attracting attention from wine spectator having earned the number eight spot in the world with its 1998 reserve Shiraz. Greg Norman estate's control 60% of the market share of all premium and Australian wine. Sheesh. So there you have it. That's how he became the wine guy. He's the wine guy. I guess that's how he fulfilled his dream of being the wine guy. Yeah. And with that, I think, you know, the shark experience as DJ DJ said, I was gonna point out that, begrudgingly, I like it, but it is.

It's like smart golf cars. It's like the biggest corporate brand or G of all time. It's partners with Verizon, ClubCar and GPSI, which I think Norman has a stake in that as well, a GPS company. So it kind of feeds in, he's got a little bit of a flywheel going, you know, the real estate, combined with kind of feeds in, he's got a little bit of a flywheel going. You know, the real estate combined with the interior design,

combined with the golf courses, combined with the golf cards, combined with the apparel. I mean, you kind of have to give the guy credit. Clearly he's done some business, he's done some deals. He's done some deals. He's done some deals. When they had those wildfires on Colorado a couple summers ago, I know his ranch was threatened. I just remember that too, like he was out there

on the front line, it's kinda... Beating back the fire. Beating back the fire. You shall not be bad. With the hot shots. And then, yeah, I'm just scrolling through his Instagram stuff here, he is one of the most prolific Instagram posters I've ever seen. I mean, I've been scrolling for 10 minutes now

and I'm only back to 2015. I got another one. We'll have to people dive into the Instagram as dessert to this episode. But I think that's really all I had. You guys have any other other pressing questions? Oh, you asked for an exhaustive book from me. No, it was spectacular.

I think Dawgan Killer is the only other thing. Yes, that's, that's for an exhaustive book. No, it was spectacular. I think dog and killer is the only other thing. Yes, that's right. Literally, it's my last question. I mean, I think he's unprecedented amount of dog, not a killer. And decidedly not a killer. Maybe in the boardroom. Is killer in the boardroom?

Is killing yourself, count? Is your killer? That's a tough question. I'm here to ask a tough question, journalist. You've given you the last word here, Neil. I really enjoyed doing a deep dive. I tried to put in an hour to a day, so it was trying to pull from as many sources as I could.

I can't believe I missed that timeline on this website, that was a big, right, missed by me. But otherwise, I think the guy's fascinating. Is he raging narcissists as many people have been quoting saying, maybe? Yeah, but I give the guy credit for being hashtag more than an athlete, truly. And his career is, you know,

331 weeks as number one rank golfer in the world is impressive despite only two majors. Self made guy, you know. Self made guy. I got two things. Self-made guy, you know. Self-made guy. I got two things. His jet is sick. Like up there with like MJ, as far as like having just one of the better.

And Drake. Paint jobs and everything, designs on the jet. I think he's got a G550. Great helicopter too. And then the chainsaw was 2014. And he said, I just want you guys in case you're doing any chainsaw work out there. Working with the chainsaw was 2014. And he said, I just want you guys in case you're doing any chainsaw work out there. Working with the chainsaw always be respectful of the unexpected. I was one lucky man today, damaged, but not down and out. Still have my left hand. Huge. That would have been a very

sad way for the story to end. And then he killed himself with a chainsaw on accident. It wouldn't have been good. So, you know, maybe the shark wants to come on the NLU podcast and... And... I tried a lot of them to speak for himself through past interviews, but maybe... You can only do so much. You can only do so much.

So with that, thanks for listening. Thank you for the tour, Mr. Rikari. That was great. Thank you. I'll do this again, something. Yeah. Cheers. Thank you everybody for listening.

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