No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 295: Top "What If?" Guys & Moments

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

Another new format being put to the test this week, as we each come to the table with three of our best "What If?" guys. There's a lot of different interpretations of what that means, but we explore some of the great "what if?" moments of our lifetimes, how differently a few careers would look with just a stroke here or a stroke there, and some likely forgotten stories and events from over the years. This was a lot of fun.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Solid here. We have full force all five here in the Killhouse ready to we're plowing through our co-vision board of ideas for the podcast for this weird period where there's no professional golf across table and the guy that's going to steer the show for us here. Mr. Neil Schuster. Professor Icarito back with you. Happy to be here. Happy to have all five of us. I'd say carefully distance here in the podcast studio. That's very, very fair to say. TC is here this morning. Hello, I'm a little bit worried about our continuity

of operations should something happen to the killhouse here with all five of us being in the same room. Oh, I don't think anyone's has any were done that's seen their business right now. So I'd say we're, just as guilty as the next small shop out there. The CFO at the head of the table, Mr. Big Randy. Hey guys, I've been pouring through the new stimulus bill,

trying to figure out, you know, if we qualify for the small business loans, I will, I'll have an answer for you guys when I have one. So, appreciate you looking out for it. Just know that I'm on it. Thanks to you, we don't, we don't need them loans. Well, yeah.

Yeah. Today. Right, not right now. And Mr. DJ Pie. Hey, greetings guys. Glad to be here. So, I guess I should probably intro what we're doing today. I believe today's, the title of today's podcast

is gonna be What If Guys? What If Guys of Golf? Neil, much tell us a little bit about what we're thinking here. Yeah, we're gonna try to put together a list of the top 10 What If Almost Guys. Guys, it just couldn't quite break through. And it's a very loose definition. So I think we're all bringing,

we all separated last week when we came up with the idea. I was gonna say, one of my guys definitely broke through, but it's still a great what if guy. So everyone's got a different deck in this. So if you can, everybody's bringing three guys and you need to, you know, pitch the group, right? Just kind of on your idea, on why they are, why they should be a top 10 what if guy.

So we're gonna go around top five. Top five, whatever. We're doing top five or top 10. This is important, that's how we're gonna end the podcast. We're gonna wh around top five, top five. Top five, whatever. We're doing top five or top 10. This is important, that's how we're gonna end the podcast. We're gonna whittle it down, right? Well, yeah, so we each have three sets of 15. So I thought we literally just talked about this before we fired it up.

Well, I had it sorry, I had it in my notes, it's just top 10, but I agree, I think top five's probably better. I think it sparks more debate. It does. Embrace debate, you ready? Hashtag embrace debate. All right, so we'll go top five. Everybody cool with that

I love that DC totally cool. Okay, are you looking for a rubber stamp? I'll give you a rubber stamp nail. I'm cool with it All right. Good. Thanks. Are you a no-no-re yet? Are you a no-re public yet? No, that'd be a cool thing to work on though during the Yeah, the quarantine. I trust your stamp Randy Thank you. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna go one guy around. Just kind of one thing I was gonna say about it is in going through trying to find guys and seeing, you know, when you look, look at old highlights of any event, you see how thin the margins are in some tournaments and how golf history can change on just a shot or two. At least that's the approach I took at it. I think we all could have different definitions of what if, you know, what are what if moments,

but it really does, a lot of things can change with just the rubbest of the rubb of the green. I think that's a much better definition than what I picked. I'm more excited to hear you guys than I have to share my guys, I think. Rubbiest. Did you guys turn into the art class guy? Rubbest.

You try to make sure you go some cosmon stinks. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're just awesome. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not necessarily a picture. He goes, he goes, he's mind stinks. No, no, no, no. You're just awesome. No, no, no, no, no, no, I appreciate that. I appreciate that, but that's all I'm doing. Early for compliments. No. I would like to kick it off though with the big guy, the CFO.

I want to hear him go first, and then we'll go T.C. Myself, Sully, DJ. DJ goes last, this is his worst. Yeah, exactly, that's fine. Thank you. Before we start, I can just balance it if you guys don't even hear it. It's okay. Brandy condolences.

I know it's baseball opening day. Today is opening day. I have my Joey Vado for Prime Minister shirt on. You think Joey Vado is going to teach her to you on right now? You have to be pretty sick. I tell you what, that would be pretty sick. Why don't you look up to yourself, Randy? Yeah, I'm going to you know, I'm gonna celebrate my own way today

The reds are having a hashtag reds opening day inside or something might rewatch last year's opening day But thank you TC. I appreciate the sentiment My first guy with the first pick so for the what if draft first for listeners sake My individual criteria. I wanted to pick one guy from each of the last three decades so I have a guy from the 2010s the 2000s in the 90s for my first guy. We're going to start in the middle. We're going to start from the decade of the 2000s.

Okay. This gentleman has three career PGA Tour wins plus a Euro Tour. I like this style. Win. Get to try to guess. He lost in a playoff at the 2004 PGA Championship at Whistling Straits. He was in a three way playoff there. Started the final round, five shots back of VJ Singh.

He was the only guy in the last nine groups on that Sunday to shoot under par. He missed an 18 foot birdie putt for what would have been the win at that 2004 PGA championship, and then he lost in a three-hole playoff by a stroke. This man is Florida Gator, Chris DeMarco. Sure. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa But that's not the what if. All right, that's the pretext.

I wanna take you to the 2005 Masters. As you'll remember, the weather was chaotic that week. It pushed not only the Friday, I believe it affected every the first three rounds. Thursday finished Friday, Friday finished Saturday and Saturday finished Sunday morning. Christom Marco was 13 under and Saturday to finish Sunday morning. Chris DeMarco was 13 under par going into Sunday morning. He had just shot a front 933.

He was four shots up on Tiger at the time. All the momentum in the world. Play gets suspended due to darkness. They come out Sunday morning, first thing. Tiger shoots a back nine 34 DeMarco shoots a 41 Off-scene So now we're going to what if he hadn't done that right well a little what if there is what if the weather's good right and his

Momentum doesn't get broken So we're heading into the final round Tiger is now flipped it. He's three shots up They go back and forth. They're into the final round. Tiger has now flipped it. He's three shots up. They go back and forth. They're in the final group together. They end up, we all know they end up going to play off, but let's go over everything that happens down the stretch in that final round. 2005 was of course the Tiger Chippen on 16.

Of course. The simulated Nike commercial. Exactly. Basically. I mean, no stronger proof that we're living in the matrix conspiracy music What are the odds that chip falls right? Like literally literally what do you think the odds are? Like less than 1%

One of the amount of germs that are left over after you per rel. You know what I'm saying? Give him a bag of a hundred balls. What he makes three of them. Maybe I'd say one. I would say one. And then to make it like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well Tiger then does something he never does. He follows up that historic moment and he bogeys 17.. I thought you were gonna say he does something he never does. He follows up that historic moment with a botched high five. Well, that too. We get a lot of fun with that. I thought you were gonna say he properly tips somebody.

I did. Tiger, if you're listening, I did not say that. The restaurant's getting more business because he's there. That's the whole thing. And then he compounds it. Something he never does. He bogies 18.

Oh my God. So he's surely to Mark. He'll chip in. He's up two shots and then he promptly gives it back 17 and 18. This is the high peak. This is the height of Tiger. If you'll remember, Chris to Marko on the 18th hole,

his shot comes up short. It rolls off the front of the green. He's left with a chip shot. That chip, it misses the flag stick by an inch. And I think an inch to the left, his left, it hits that flag stick flush. It drops in the cup. Chris DeMarco wins the Masters with a walkoff on the 72nd hole. As is he misses, they go to a playoff.

Tiger makes his, I don't know, 10, 15 footer for birdie on the first playoff hole in number 18. And he wins the 2005 Masters. The legend of Tiger is intact, right? Everything about Tiger Mania stays intact. And so I think at Christomarka won that Master's, how much of the invincibility of Tiger goes away in that moment and then how does that change the next five years? Does it speed up? Tigers off course issues.

Hmm. Does it? It basically fast-flights the Y-Yang. It makes Y-Yang a lot less important. Yeah. And then the only thing I want to add on on Chris DeMarco specifically, I mean, he ends up he finishes runner up at the 2006 British Open. The guy finished runner up in three majors in a three year span. That's right. To the cat.

This was cat in 2006 as well, I toyed like. Correct. Correct. The rights of Bridesmaid. So this was one of my potential nominees as well. So my only thing to add, big guy is after the 2005 Masters, Christomarko never played another weekend at Augusta. Yeah. That was it. That was your shot.

Whoa. That was your shot. So, it's a twofold what if? One, obviously that makes Christomarco forever known as the Tiger Killer, right? It puts them in such an exclusive club in golf as a major champion. And then two, just this alternate potential history with Tiger and how his whole legend and his whole career arc on and off the course gets changed if he loses that 2005 masters. One thing, I know there's a butterfly effect to some of these things and it doesn't necessarily play out this way, but I love to do like if Tiger Woods never existed, what would have

happened. it doesn't necessarily play out this way, but I love to do like if Tiger Woods never existed, what would have happened? And if that's the case for Chris Tamarco, even ignoring the O4 playoff that he lost, two-time major winners that I found, Johnny Miller, Curtis Strange, Greg Norman, Bernhard Langer, he's on that list without Tiger Woods being born. Big one.

Randy, I also say he's gotta be close to your heart as a claw, butter. Yeah, right? One of the first- That's one of the, one. Randy, I also say he's got to be close to your heart as a claw. Butter. Yeah. Right? One of the inventors. One of the inventors. One of the inventors.

Maybe the inventor of the claw. Which I remember watching that match and being like, what is he doing? I thought, how long was he doing that? I thought Jim Carrey's character in Liar Liar was the inventor of the claw. Well, that's true. And that's your markup. That's a great opener. Well, thank you.

Yeah, Randy, yeah, you took it in a direction. You did not disappoint. You hit the bar way too high. Yeah, man, for sure. I think it's interesting. It's like TJ's looking even worse. Oh my God, that's a lot. Oh, mine sucks.

But some Marko too, he finished, so his debut in the Masters, O1, T10, O2, T12, withd which drew in 03 and then T6 and 04. And then never played again. Never made the weekend again. And it should be mentioned. He battled injuries. That was part of getting into 2007, 2008. His body started betraying him, I think his shoulders specifically, but how old was he during that kind of his prime, right? Oh, 40506. It's pretty like mid 30s.

Yeah, it seems like he was kind of on the older side. Yeah. Solo second in the match play championship and the bridge stone invetational in O5 as well. I was, I don't know where he made it in the world rankings, but he was up there. Yeah, he was a killer. How do you do on the? How's he done?

I would say, no, I would say decidedly not a killer. Well, he's not really. He was a killer. How do you do on the computer? How was he done with that? I would say not a killer. Well, he's not really playing because of the injuries. So he's never had a post-PGA career. You got a career. Maybe he off channel. Yeah, off channel. If he wins that major, maybe he's too big for Morning Drive.

There you go. Guess who you're finished running up to at Firestone. The cat. The cat. So that's how I was going to say about the, I completely agree, Randy, with your, you know, he becomes known as the Tiger Killer, because, you know, it's his first one, Tiger,

loses a lead, blah, blah, blah. Imagine if you're the cat, and some, and people even say that about like, why are you yanking, like, oh, he just, he's the Tiger Killer. Like, bitch, I've beat you guys like 14 times, man. Literally the juggle. Okay. Yeah, you beat me once, man, but've beat you guys like 14 times, man. Literally the jackal. Okay.

Yeah, you beat me once, man, but like, come on. Tiger killer, like I've won 14 of these. 15. Now, we'll now, at that time, 14. But if you done one 2005, man. I know, who knows? God, that's a great opener. DeMarco made it to six in the world.

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swing with confidence, hit more greens with precision pro golf. Let's get back to the pod. All right, TC, let's move it along here. It's stuff. Who you got? I have another three time PGA Tour winner. I like the slow unveiling. What era?

You know what? It depends. Okay. Because he was really successful in the 2000s. He transcended errors. Exactly, he did. But, you know, he made his PJ tour debut in his pro debut in 72.

Okay. Jim Thorpe. Oh, Thorpe. The Thorpeado. Yeah. So, can you set the table with the, what's your main what if thesis? What if what? What if Jim Thorpeado. Yeah. So can you set the table with what's your main, what if thesis? What if what?

What if Jim Thorpead is test? That was an all you, that's how it's open you're going for there. From 0204. OK. Thorpe going back to the mid 80s. Thorpe won the greater Milwaukee Open. Be Jack necklace and that one, won the two solid match play championship,

two years in a row, back to back, 85 and 86. So, you know, moderately successful PGA to work career. I think that's immense as status as a true dog winning match play. Exactly. Well, I think growing up at Forest Park, the golf course in Baltimore where we film the strapped, I think that's a dog breeding ground there.

Yes, he lost. He got to be a dog to play good around there. That's a under-gabbed pit bull ring, exactly. One of 12 kids, the ninth of 12 children. Whoa, I thought there was two. I thought there was just two as well. Remember, for a superintendant, up in Roxbrod and with Carolina.

Does it mention Forest Park in Baltimore on the Wikipedia page? It doesn't. I know he did, I know he went to Morgan State, which is up in Baltimore. Oh, that could be, maybe it was in college. It kind of just assumed he grew up there, but. Yeah, I did too.

This is good, this is good new info. But, you know, we're not, we're not, we're not here talking about us PGA Twart career. We're here to talk about his, he's the first champion in his career. He's the first champion in his career, all right. He won his first PGA Twart Champions event in 2000 about his career. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was rich later. He was shokes. He won once more in 2000. He won twice in 2001. One of those was the Kroger Senior Classic.

Randy, that was played in Mason, Ohio, at TPC River's Bend, up in your neck of the woods there. And then, you know, 02, he really starts his dominance. When's the Countrywide tradition, which was, which is of course a major? I don't have to tell you guys. Yeah. Is that the have to tell you guys. Yeah. Is that the one in Alabama? Yes.

Oh three. He wins the Charles Schwab Cup championship. Schwab. And then wins a few more events. It wins like another handful of events, oh, three, oh four, oh five, and then oh six and oh seven. He goes back to back winning the Charles Schwab Cup championship, which I'm not sure what it was called at the time, but it was not the Charles Cup Championship. Approaching a Mansky level.

But not the Mansky. Two thirds of the way there. Three thirds of the way there. Really though, about 10%. So really, because the third title was the hardest. So anyone who can help me out here, I don't know how this Charles Schwab Cup Championship works financially, but is it like the FedEx Cup?

You have to pay taxes. Well, I know. That's what I'm saying. Do you just get a big influx of cash? Is it like the FedEx cup? You have to pay taxes. Well, I know. That's what I'm saying. Do you just get a big influx of cash? Is it like a retirement thing? I don't think you want. This is like, this is like, buddy, all that.

I was gonna try to give him an out. I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's confusing when, you know, maybe it was in a new way versus cash kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, the fact that he won the season ending event three times, I think he got a, let's see here. Well, I kind of more want to know more about the tax thing.

Well, so that's what I'm getting at. Basically, his biggest, you know, his biggest years here, he ends up not paying taxes for, I guess, O2O4. Did he just like forget or just like purposefully? There was a golf channel piece where Rich learner interviews him. It's up there. Sorry. I think they took it down with with pipe dream for me as like favorite golf channel moments of all time. It's up there with the Matt every Kelly Tillman interview at Sony. He must

say rich. You know rich. Rich. Listen rich, you know, I made some mistakes like basically he said it, he said his accountant just like, yo, he told me I didn't have to pay taxes. You know, I made some mistakes. He said, so yeah, $1.6 million in taxes between 02 and 04, pled guilty in 09 was sentenced January 22nd, 2010 to a year in prison. I know it was at some sort of work camp up in the Florida Panhandle for a bit. And really, you know, played well up until kind of,

you know, 0607, obviously won the Back to Back Charles Schwab Cup Championships. And so you think how much that must have been weighing on him and 0708, you know, maybe he goes back to back to back if this isn been weighing on him in 07, 08. You know, maybe he goes back to back to back if this isn't weighing on him. And then, you know, since he's gotten out of prison, his career has never been the same since he got out of prison. Hard to hit ball, but I don't think he's been the healthiest guy either, which has led to, he's good friends with the armor boys. Tom TA3, TA4 and TA4 told me he's, you know, he's like, the guy's been living fast for a long time.

So I think that caught up to him. Listen, you don't, you don't win back to back Charles Sharp Cup champion chips at the age of, you know, 57, 58, you know, without being a fucking dog. That's true. But I will say, I listened to a Freakonomics podcast recently on taxes, and they had a guy on their tax expert. He said that everybody, if you work for a company, that 98% of people pay their taxes because they withhold it, but independent contractors, it drops to the government estimates

60% of people like you know kind of But like great. There's a lot of gray area. So that's where they like do the audits The problem is and I think he says this on this podcast like if you're if you're getting your money from a place that like Can be tracked easily like in the news Like winning gold. It's like published on a website Yeah, man. It's really not hard to fall that kind of money, right? Like, it's like, why did you do that? You did it in two letters.

It's just lighting up two columns. Yeah, like you didn't try to lift up that. Yeah, you didn't try to pay like some of the taxes? Like, I don't, that's what I want to know. Was there any tax, did he pay any taxes? It can be fall. It's like $6 million in fact taxes would suggest that he did not pay any taxes.

That is wild. Yeah. Good stuff. Okay. All right. So I'm up. Yes. All right.

My nomination for the top five. What if guys last thing there? Hold on, last thing there. We can't do huge shots. 66. 66. That's not the week. Burnhard Longer wins his his like basically he's the money

leader on the champions for for the first time in 08 and then wins you know like 15 or 8 at the next 10 longer price that you kind of staged like a hostile takeover. Because you know for four point to jail. Thorpe vacated being the alpha out there and longer came in. It's like looking at TC's notes here. It's Tom Laman and Scott McCarran other than that, it's it's Bernhard longer since 2008. Yeah, it was basically J.

Hoss and J. Hoss and Jim Thorpe as the sher's in town in 07. Okay, thank you, he's a good guy. So this, turn it to be a cut out crooked cop. This guy is, he's from the career spans two decades. He was kind of the catalyst for me of wanting to do this podcast. He's a guy that's made over $32 million in his career.

He has 14 career PGA Tour victories spanning from 1991 to 2009. Can I guess? You can. Is it Stewart Sink? No, it's not. Oh, good guess, though. That is a good guess. And this guy's more of a what if because of something Stuart Sink has that he does not.

His best results, he was T2 at Augusta in 2009. Lost in a playoff. Would have been the oldest master's champion. Kenny Perry. And the reason he's the almost guy for me is because he's throughout his career, he's almost found a hat. Fits his head. Not quite, it was not able to get over the hump there. But would you say what Stuart Stink has

that he does in his male pattern baldness? Well, I would say that in an animator. Okay. So that masters where he, so he's just to dive in there, had the 54 hole lead. He was two up with two to play. He bogies 17, he bogies 18. Playoff consisted of Chad Campbell and on Hill Cabrera,

maybe the ultimate killer, maybe the ultimate dog and killer. Campbell's eliminated on the first playoff hole, I believe. And then Cabrera, par is 11, or par is 10, and Perry bogies game over.'s game over brutal it's a brutal rewatch but he he has a interview at the end that's you know I mean what a stand-up individual class act class act but but but this fall his whole career so he tried to qualify in 19 let's see 1981 or 82, he goes pro.

He misses Q school by one stroke on the first go-around. On the second go-around, his wife, Sandy, goes into labor during the fourth round of Q school. And he has to withdraw. So on his third attempt in 1985, he's backed by a local businessman from Franklin, Kentucky, which worries from, and a Lipscomb University graduate who gave him 5K. Instead of saying, I'll pay you back to 5K, he's like, this is my last shot at it, if I make it, I just want to give you percentage of my earnings because I don't know if I'll

be able to pay the 5K back or whatever. They settled on 5% of career earnings. Made $32 million. He's honored that agreement. And he now has a Lipscomb University scholarship that he funds with that money. That's cool. 14 career, PGA Tour victories. Do you guys have any ideas on which tournaments he's won?

Colonial. Colonial. Colonial twice, memorial three times. God. He was such a moral three times 91 2003 in 2008 did he snap the John Deere good for yes, he did John Deere classic So he does have a major I guess in a way in 2008 The travelers in 2009 Bay Hill in 2005 he's kind of the ultimate invetational guy like Colonial and the cap. Yeah, I mean he kind of kind of the ultimate invitational guy, like Colonial and Evaculant. Yeah, I mean, he kind of beat up the invitational circuit.

Played on the 0408 Ryder Cup teams, pretty good record. It looked like he was a contributing member of the team in his home state. That's exactly right, at Valhalla. Do you know what I was remembered about Kenny Perry is he would choose to skip the British open because he always felt like he had a better chance to To win the off you bring that off event. So the reason he's really on my list other than the the ill fitting hat issue is the fact that he's had tied second at his best major finishes T2 Augusta second at the 96 pga lost a one shot lead bo bogey the 72nd hole and lost into playoff. First playoff hold a Mark Brooks.

And I believe that was at Valhalla in his home state as well. So that's that's brutal. T3 at the O3 US open and T8 at the O3 open championship. So he did play in the British open, but I guess he just started to hit a point. His career, he said, I'm not, I'm not traveling anymore. His PGA tour playoff record is three and three. He has 10 champions, tour wins, including four senior major championships and was the 2013 Schwab Cup champion.

But I look at this career, $32 million, $14 career wins, two rider cup appearances. If he has a major, if he wins at Augusta and is the oldest Masters champion at I think 48 years old, as how old he was at the time, I think this puts him in clearly in a different, you know, echelon of player and you talk about him differently. I don't know. I wanted to spark a discussion with you guys like what if he wins that major, one of those majors at either PGA or probably the Masters, like what? Who's a good comp?

Who's a good comp, exactly? That was a sherry for something, right? That was a good one. Davis loves a good one. That would give him 15? That would be 15. Yeah. A major in that, like, exactly, like Fred Couples

and Jim Furik. It would make him a hall of fame, or I believe. Yeah. So I think that kind of, to me, it's just like, oh, it's so brutal. And both major, he gasped it. And he says in his interview at Augusta, he's like, I have an issue.

He said he's sculled two chips on 17 and 18, where he said, my hands get when I have the 60 degree in my hands. Or no, he said, when I have the 60 degree, I'm all right. But when I have the 54, like any of the other clubs, my hands, you know, I get basically twitchy and I, you know, I under under the gun, it's a factor and I was nervous and I played great all day until those two shots. And then he, yeah, he just, he's like 18, I hit a drive, thought it was right down the middle of fairway, leaks into the bunker and then he leaves on the short

side on 18 and can't get up and down. Man, I think what, let's great, Randy just mentioned kind of off hand there, that like yeah, if he wins that major, maybe he's literally a hall of famer. The five of us all we do is like talk and think about golf, and I haven't, I never think about Kenny Perry. It's crazy how different that could be.

For me, he's always been an example of a dude, like a game that I've never, he plays the game in game that I've never, he plays the game in a way I can't, he used to pour in birdies. Like I always felt like if he was in a tournament I was watching, it would just be like, cutting, it was like the classic, man these guys make everything, it was just like Kenny Perry. It was also hitting it, make it close.

Yeah, but he was just pouring in like 10, 15 foot birdie puts, you know, when he's on. And, it kind of makes of like five or six times and one of those seasons like oh seven or something. He has like a crazy. Yeah, oh 8. Oh seven. It looks like oh eight and that's crazy. Oh, it's like him and VJ basically one like every time his first win was the memorial in 91 right and then he and then like 17 years later. He's winning Memorial again. He's winning winning John Deere that year. So, you know, he's on the Ryder Cup that year. So, like, bad respect for my man, K.P. also the Translis transition lenses. Yeah, I was going to say that in any light.

Of course. Come on. The commercial with him in Trevor Oman, where they're grilling out. Yeah, they're able to just seamlessly go right back inside. We need to dig up the old Valspar preview we did on the website, like back in 2015, that we have a link to the YouTube of that commercial. It's the best. So, Mr. Solomon, I'll pass it over to you. I think you guys are gonna have a hard time guessing this one.

If this was the first name I thought of when we went to go do this experiment, it's a bit of an older guy Maybe more known for the 70s. He's a four-time PGA tour winner American guy. He's a member of the 1977 rider cup team 46 top 10 finishes in his career to go along with the four wins But Wikipedia literally says that he's best known for his 1979 Masters performance.

Do you remember what happened in the 1979 masters? I saw your screen. I'm gonna recuse myself. Um, he blew it, I'm guessing. He won triumphantly. But they lost the tapes. For some reason, a wise cough. I'm thinking Tom Wisecuff.

We watched this at DJ's birthday. Oh, that's right. Yeah. JC, JC Sneed. You got the last name, right? Um, Ed Sneed. Ed Sneed. Ed Sneed.

Ed Sneed. He goes into Sunday with a five shot lead at the Masters. There's literally no way he doesn't win this tournament. If this is the most excruciating rewatch ever, I did it last night, it's also amazing. Some of the camera angles and stuff, I wonder how golf coverage is somehow gotten worse in the last 40 years, but that's a side.

That was a year, all the caddies are just, lay it, they're jumping all over the first one. Guys, they're making fun of it. It's so ecstatic. It's ecstatic. It's furious the entire time. Just waddling around, he's like blowing up and he just so, he makes a three footer

and makes this caddy go get the ball out of the hole for him. He doesn't even get it himself. It's amazing rewatch. So it goes into Sunday with a five shot lead. He makes bogies on the fourth, the sixth, and the tenth drops him back to nine under. but he birdies the 13th and the 15th holes. He has a three shot lead, three holes to play.

Hits his approach on the 16th. Leaves it all out to the right, but it stays up on that shelf. He hits his putt. And again, it's like 41 years ago, but you know exactly what that putt's gonna do. It's the same exact putt. So it's so fun to go back and rewatch. Mrs. it low and left.

And it kind of, which leaves him this left to right or coming back. And he misses it. Two shot lead, two to play. Third part, three bogey of the day. Stripes it. Two shot lead, two, but surely it gets to do a playup. Yeah, he does. Stripes it on 17 has 90 yards in.

The wind is starting to whip though down, and his wedge rolls a bit long, and it stops just past, just over the green, not in a bad spot. He invokes the TC way and puts it to three feet. All right. We're good. Cool as that, right? We're good here.

Craig Sadler has stuffed a wedge in there to like three and a half feet. I get up very calmly and just rolls the birdie in very quickly. And it's like, and then it goes this knee and he takes forever to hit this putt. And it doesn't even hit the hole. It doesn't. It's not in. Goes to the final hole with a one shot lead.

When does coming off the left and just smooth the drive right in the middle. If he bowied and Staller birdied, Stathers out of it. Stathers way back. So he just cared about it. Yeah. It's Tom Watson and Fuzzy Zeller. They don't group ahead. And so he's got in the middle of the fairway. All you got to do, hit the green to put.

You win the Masters. Queef sit out to the right. It stops on the lip of the bunker. He chips it up to eight feet, you know, got a look. Eight footer, win the masters. Doesn't touch the hole. He loses in a playoff. The first hole, playoff?

No, so they go to the, so they go, they're getting ready to go to the 10th and they cut to a shot of the 10th green. And they're mowing the 10th green. Shout out to the Lin Matisse. We'll get there. Uh, and he, so they both, they all par 10. He had a good look at Birdie on 10, missed it,

and then Fuzzy's LR. Or so he, on 11, he hits it. He flags it his approach. He's posing and it goes long in the bunker. Hits a chip, shot out of the bunker, and the lips it. Like it hits the lip. He almost holds the bunker shot to win, and then Fuzzy makes the lips it. Like it hits the lip. He almost hold the bunker shot to win and then fuzzy makes the birdie and he loses the masters.

And basically nothing happens. The question about masters playoffs. Because Rainy said Demarco and Tiger played the 18th. They swit, it used to go straight to 10, right? This was the first sudden death playoff in masters history, actually. So they went straight to 10. And then eventually they changed to 18. I don't know when they switched to 18. I believe the Tiger to Marco playoff was the first one.

I was going to start in 18. Yeah, because all the Normans saw if I was watching there, they go straight to 10. Yeah. There's plenty of footage of the Norman Masters playoffs. Yeah, just looking, just thinking about he has one major top 10, the rest of his career. That was a TA the next year's US Open. And when you think about, I has one major top 10, the rest of his career. That was a TA at the next year's US Open. When you think about, I mean, obviously we know the master's how enormous it is, but it changes your whole life. It changes your marketability for the rest of your life. It defines you as a person.

You get to go back there and do the champions dinner and wear the green jacket and play in it forever. Just being able to, like, end of this sounds dumb, but just being able to do, like, speaking engagements. Just as a master shender. Master shender. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so again, I highly recommend rewatching it.

He had three puts on each elacity, all he got to do is make one of them and you win the masters and he does not. It's just like the poster child for watching somebody trying to steer at home under extreme, extreme pressure and he does not succeed. The only thing I'll add, he's a, he's a buck guy. That's cool, this. So that's for you.

Buck guy. Oh, that's for you, man. All right, details here, your shitty examples. All right, sure. Well, I took it in a different direction. I interpreted these time in a little differently. No, sorry. So you're interpreted as like,

like kind of underachiever. I took it as failed juniors. Okay. I had to get a little bit like that too. I had to tie trion on my list. But I didn't go there. Nice, I didn't, I left him off, but. Can we talk about tie trion for a sec?

Cause I don't think he applies here. Like he wasn't that good. Well that's why I didn't bring it like, I had him as a potential option. I just wanted to get that. So before I worked with PJ Tora, I worked for Golf Week covering Junior Golf. It was fascinating.

I absolutely loved every second of it because I always pictured Junior Golf as like what I grew up playing, which was just like very rinky-ding shitty tournaments. And just seeing the elite elite elite junior golf up close was fascinating. So I had a couple people I wrote down on my short list and then reached out to a couple of players as well.

I'm like, hey, who's the guy from your generation that like never made it that absolutely should have and got some corroborations from players and so. We're just gonna start with the goat of failed recent, semi recent failed junior golfers. He was born in Las Vegas, grew up in Arizona. One hundred and forty seven junior tournaments, including the 2006 US junior.

Jim Flick, ever heard of him, coach Jack Nicholas, was so impressed he started working with him when he was seven years old. He was for 65 weeks in a row. He was the number one junior in the country, one spot ahead of Mr. Richard Flower. He and Ricky were such good friends that they had verbally committed to both go to UCLA as a package deal. Okay, more on that in a second. In 2002,

when he was 14, he won his fourth straight junior World Golf Championship, breaking Tiger Woods' record for most consecutive victories in the event. Here's a quote from Mike Moloska, a golf magazine top 100 teacher based in Scottsdale. You can toss out other names like Mikkelsen or Sevy, but from 100 yards and in, Philip Francis was the best I've ever seen. We're talking of course about Philip Francis. A couple of quotes. A couple quotes to set the table here on a podcast. This is from an

excellent Josh Senns golf.com story, which I believe originally appeared in golf magazine. On a podcast last year, Rory McElroy was asked about the most impressive players he faced in his youth. Quote, Philip Francis McElroy said, I'm not sure what he's doing now, but I could not beat this kid. This was on the no laying-up podcast. Was it? Yeah. Is this?

Am I to ask him that question? You did. What the fuck, Josh? Did you ever read that Sid Finch article in Sports Illustrated? Essentially that made up. That was the Frank DeFort one, right? Yeah. The Philip Francis feels likeFord one, right? Yeah. The Phil Francis feels like Sid Finch.

Really? Yeah. It's for like 137 miles an hour. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's cool. I didn't realize. I just assumed it was behind the golf fast paywall.

So let's keep moving here. I assume it was, I don't remember the name he said, but we asked him like, who was somebody you'd remember growing up and he's like, I could never beat the, and then somebody from that guy, one of that guys' buddy's gotten in touch like, dude, do you heard that? He was so thrilled to hear his name.

So he goes to UCLA, Ricky, of course, does not go to UCLA. Just a quick sidebar Randy just because I know you'll want to hear this. They had both committed to go to UCLA. I mean, think of how that would have changed Ricky's whole, literally like his whole persona. What do you mean by blue? Right, who knows?

Ricky planned the buddy since. But Ricky had a change of heart. At the 2006 USM, Ricky came out for his first match wearing orange and sporting a pistol-peat head cover. It's according to the Lake rate Ron Bullickey from Coffee Rock. Rod Fowler, Ricky's father, explains the change of heart to golf.com in 2010 saying quote, when news of them go into UCLA, hit the press. I don't know how much press they really like. When news of them go into UCLA, hit the press, Ricky kind of felt like he got backseated to Philip. Like Ricky was number two. He didn't want to be number two.

He felt quote, quote, inside a quote, I need to be was number two. He didn't want to be number two. He felt quote, quote, inside a quote. I need to be my own person. I don't want to be in Philip's shadow. That's why he pulled out. He thinks T-Boom Pickens. I was gonna say, was there money in the bag? The late T-Boom Pickens. Who could possibly say?

We're not here to speculate. So Philip absolutely just diabolical inside of 100 yards. He goes, plays a couple of tour events, like kind of the, the spieth, you know, spieth track, the promising young junior, plays the John Deere classic, I believe. Mrs., Mrs. the cuts, but, you know, starting to get his feet on her, and goes to UCLA, doesn't go well at UCLA. And part of it is because he, of course. Parties?

No. Chases the length. So this is a couldn't handle LA. Of course, I like that. You're gonna say Chase in the Tiger. Chase in the tail. Chase in the ladies. Yeah, you were going.

He wasn't included in the Josh Send story. Actually, there was a shipmuck story where he references like the women of UCLA like a hundred times So I just encouraged people to go back into the SI vault to dig that up But that's it's unfounded as of now This is a quote from Philip. I could get out there 280 or 290 I did pretty well with that

But it did start to bother me that some guys were knocking at 30 yards past me So as in 2007 as a freshman at UCLA, made the conscious choice. Like, I really needed to get longer. And now I'm just going to read a chunk from this Josh Senn story. Quote. Around that time, Francis parted ways with Jim Flick, who'd always preached the primacy of rhythm over power. A field player at his best, Francis started crunching the numbers and pumping iron. He strapped on a K-Vest and studied 3D images of his action.

He embraced buzzwords like coil and separation and enlisted with an acolyte of David Dledbetter who encouraged him to strive for a greater differential between the turn of his shoulders and his hips. Francis' scores began to suffer, so did his lower back. The pain and tightness persisted after college. He transferred after a sophomore year to Arizona State. But Francis played through them, then came qualifying school in 2012

at Dayton Valley Golf Club outside Reno, and a slash with a long iron that drove him to his knees. Quote, it was like an electric bolt shooting up my spine and into my neck, Francis says. The pain was so intense, it knocked me to the ground. An MRI confirmed it tears in a disc between two vertebrae. After seven months of rehab, Francis went back at it, but a game that once came easy had long since being the same.

And as of now, so he kind of stumbled around the many tours a little bit, never really caught hold. And as of now, he is living in Chicago out of competitive golf, earning a living as an analyst for a high-tech consulting firm. Wow. There you have it. I have no idea. Well, it's kind of, I've never come across Philip Francis' name before, but I think we all probably have examples of guys that beat up our regional

or high school golf circuit. And golf's funny because it's like some dudes peak too early. They peak as like an awesome junior and they like, you know, like, like, like, Cougar, they lose the edge a little bit. Exactly. Or they chase the distance. And then other guys peak in college and they, you know, it's kind of like the right peak at the right time. What did you, what did you peak?

Uh, I think I peaked in eighth grade. Let's put in a big numbers and basketball. That's amazing. But then everybody grew. I'd never have heard that name. That's amazing. But then everybody grew. I've never heard that name. There you go. Philip Francis was very, very, very good.

He was like, he was a couple of years older. Yeah. And I just remember, my buddy Brett was first team all-America in O4. And Philip Francis was one of the guys that he, like we were just like, this guy, we worshipped him. He's the exactly, he's the guy, like, when I, obviously, like, when you get into a job,

like, what I was doing at golf, we like, you don't know, it's like you come in with like a huge database of like, oh, I know everything about you, your golf, that's why I'm doing this job. Like, you have to learn it all once you get the job. And that was the guy that was, I mean, he's talked about like, Tiger back then.

We're just like, oh God, like, he's, like, he's struggling right now, but like, he's just like, oh God, like he's, like he's struggling right now, but like he's the guy. Just, what, you're like, just wait. That wasn't shitty at all, dude. That was fantastic. Thanks guys. Congratulations. That was the best one.

You're just great mind sucks. All right. Round two for the big guy. By the way, can we talk about Ricky going to Oklahoma State of all places? Like wanting to be the out, like, no, you joined another super team, man. He's like the Kevin Durant of College Golf.

That's actually, that's a really good cop. Morgan Hoffman and Kevin Tway and all those. Yeah. Peter Uline. Peter Uline. This one guys, I'm confused there with Kevin Tway. I've been here for years. Well, well, you guys want some lemonade?

Come on inside, I got lemonade on the porch. Well, my next guy coincidentally comes from the Oklahoma State golf program. He four time all American. I think I knew who it is. Oh, Jesus. Two time second team, two time first team played on the 1987 Oklahoma State team that won the NCAA championship. Did you get this elbow thing going on? He won the individual NCAA championship in 1987, was runner up for the Fred Haskins award, but did not get through Q-school, and so instead went to Japan. One 12 times in Japan on the Japan tour and then we come to the 1998 British Open where

he was the 36, 54 and 72 whole. Brian Watts. Brian Watts. Brian Watts.leader, Mr. Brian Watts. Okay, I was not even I thought it was. And they they must have mentioned his Japan tour resume 150 times in that broadcast. So here's a guy, um, does not have PGA tour status has never played on the PGA Tour, comes to the 1998

British Open. As I said, holds the 36 hole lead, holds the 54 hole lead, and then on Sunday, final round, he is won down to Mark O'Mara. Brian Watts makes maybe a 30, 35 foot birdie put on 17 to tie the lead. O'Mara is playing at Lisa group ahead. And so Watts is coming down 18, birdie to win, part of getting a playoff. It's a two green side bunker on 18 has a stance where one foot's out. He's kind of in the back of the bunker. His back foot is out of the bunker, really awkward, gnarly stance. Hits that bunker shot to about six inches, taps in for par.

He and Mark Amara had to play off three hole aggregate playoff at the British open. Is this Berkdale? Or is it? It's Berkdale. Yeah, is it three holes? Sorry. Four holes.

Yeah, yeah. On the first two playoff holes, Watts hits it inside Amara. Misses both of his putts and so leaves those first two playoff holes one down and then just can't catch. That doesn't really have a chance on the final playoff hole to catch Omera. So Mrs. is chance to win the British Open by 2003. Another guy with the help of injuries is more or less out of professional golf. Use that British Open runner up. He gained PGA Tour status.

Had a pretty good year in 1999. Rose as high as 18 in the world golf ranking but never won on the PGA tour. Is a guy that for me, the what if guy, you know, is a guy that's completely lost to the sands of time. You know, if he if he wins that British open, it's golf immortality. And as is 30 years from now, the name Brian Watts is going to be a lot like Ed Sneed. We were talking about it the 1979 masters. I remember seeing that replay was on or some train to Gloria. Something happened where I was like, who did a mirror beat and 90 Brian Watts? Like, who is that? I've been through happy killboards. Like, wait, who is that guy? That was well done.

Thank you, Randy. Good stuff, Randy. Namaste. You're welcome. Do you Mr. T.C.? Oh, there's a lot of different directions I can go here. And I'm just. Hopefully only two.

DJ, you got more. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm flying by to see my pants. I got a lot of different options. You got me all shook now on all these junior players. I'm down Corey Witsitz, you know, AJGA record. Please don't get ahead of my list. He's like your game. No, I'm not. Don't chase distance, man.

I was thinking about David Brown, the Roofer from Mussover. I was thinking, hey, what if he didn't? What if he didn't get pulled off the roof? What if he didn't get pulled off the roof? You know, the what if thing really could have been and it goes both ways. It goes both ways. That's why it's such a great topic start.

And you can go anywhere with that. Is that your pick? You can't just pee on like 30 guys. Yeah, you got to pee. I know that's all I was going to do. Now, I'm going to go back to the 2005 John Deere Classic. Of course. This is pretty subjective.

I don't remember what hole it was on. Why don't the air horn doesn't go off? No, I don't remember what round it was. It was either around three or around four. Sean O'Hare ends up winning by, that is scored of minus 16. I think he's just going. Robert Dameron, Hank Keeney, both finished T2.

Not going there either. They were, they were, they were, they were one more guys. He was going back, Hank Keeney was all my kids. He was a little bit, he was a little bit, I thought of these guys, I already thought of them. No. Who else is going on me?

My man finishes 13, tied for 13th with among the likes of Craig Bowden, Jonathan Bird, Carlos Franco, Todd Hamilton, Matt Kucher, Heath Slokum. I'm talking of course about Esteban Toledo. Holy Toledo! That's the one if. Yeah. If that guy, at one point during that, somebody yells Holy Toledo in his downswing. And he like roaps one.

I either OB, I got into a hazard. And loses all of his momentum and ends up finishing about five back. And I've always thought he would have been the first, I think the first Mexican born, Tor winner. Oh, it's just a big one if I've never forgotten that moment. We were watching together. Yeah, and we were like, did someone just say holy shit?

I was in 10th grade. I remember we were watching that. You were home to the summer. It was, it was a one a moment. The Carter Boyd's share. That's a good one. About that, you can, for better or worse folks, with great power comes greater responsibility.

You can impact someone's career, forever. Guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw up a, hopefully unanimous one, but it needs to be acknowledged. Three, three wins. Three PGA Tour wins. That's the number one right now, of course. of course defeat Sergio five and four in the 2008 Ryder Cup ball hall. Let's get the rap or go. Just

Pallagher. It takes the American flag like a like a conquering hero and runs it up the fairway and says come on follow me follow me to freedom. Finish just third at the masters. Preach. Preach. Do it. Do it. That's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game. I think it's a good game.

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in professional tournaments. Who did he lose to in that playoff? No idea. The rib? Yeah. Oh, that's a Shanghai Masters in 2011. Of course speaking of Anthony Kim. Of course.

What do you think Anthony Kim's career earnings are? 12 million dollars. That was my exact my guess. 12.2 million. Nice. Yeah, look that up. He's on my list. Also interesting you won the Walkovie Championship. That was my exact my guess 12.2 million nice. Yeah, look that up Also interesting you won the walkovia championship. I would just throw this this question on how many career starts you think you made on the PJ tour?

80 Yeah, that's a good guess. I'll go a little higher 95 122 really yeah That's more than I a lot more than I thought it would be right Really? I thought that's more than I thought it would be. Right. That's what like he won the Wacovia now Wells Fargo, shout out to the financial crisis RIP Wacovia. Was this first win, right? That was just, I don't know if it was his first win, but he was 16 under.

I believe it's the first win of him. It looks like. Max, Rory, and Ricky. And Derek. And Derek. Who And Derek Hertz. Who did he beat? A guy that's probably the opposite of the what if. The guy that's like, wins it.

And it's like, how did that guy win a major? Todd Hamilton? Ben Curtis. Oh, sure. Shot 16 out of the lowest fan card. And Curtis won more than people gave him. Ben Curtis was a dog. Four time tour winner, I think.

So. Well, then I need to do need to do you know that wasn't Against you that was just everybody shit something courage. He was a better player than prior to history remembers Yeah, that's the that's the tournament where a K was signing autographs and you get the phone call to Tiger Woods Yeah, and And the phone by Greg McLaughlin now president You know and you can champion And, uh, handed the phone by Greg McLaughlin,

now president of the DJ Champions. That's cool, man. Some say off the course, shenanigans never to be, never to be seen again. So, I know there's some bigger Anthony Kim experts at the table. Would anybody care to add? Let me ask you this.

Do you think he comes back? No. No. Okay. And what was his back as fucked? Like, spinal, spinal column. Extocides of a lot of bad things to your structure of your body allegedly, but completely allegedly It might be mr. Sarah. He borrowed he borrowed it. I mean during his career. He was borrowing a lot of happiness from tomorrow Which seems to be what with serotonin levels and ecstasy that seems to be you know

You're basically draining the credit in the bank on your serotonin. Do youstasy, that seems to be, you know, you're basically draining the credit in the bank on your serotonin. Do you think he'll be... Your lending is cut off. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. played, do you think he ends up approaching the mythology that he's now a really good question? I think it's slightly overrated. I just think he did it with weird style, not even necessarily desirable style,

but just like that dude didn't give a fuck, like the bell buckles and all that just kind of added to this aura about him. He was obviously really good, he wasn't that good. I mean, he wasn't like... Seems like he had a cure. It felt like everybody... Or when I read about him now, it's like he had a gear that people didn't have. Kind of like the... Oh, the Rory's coming thing. Like, oh my god. He's just going low.

He was not scared to go low, I guess, as a way to put it. I think it might be like a Jim Morrison type. Yeah. After he's dead, I know he's not dead, but after he's dead, everyone's kinda like, oh my God, that was so genius. What are you doing? Right, but I think that if Jim Morrison's career

had gone on, I don't know that it would've been quite. What's the point you always say that he's a drunk? Well, that's from almost famous. What? He was a drunk posing as a poet. Well, that's from almost famous. Well, he was a drunk posing as a poet. Yeah, where's the guest who? Where poets? I don't know, I forget.

This is where drunk, which makes him poetic. It's something like that. So you're saying AK was a drunk posing as a golfer? You know, I don't know who could say. Was he a thrower? Was he a golfer? Yeah, he's happy. Take care of his money. Yeah.

He's probably got a big ass check from Lloyd's a London guy. Yeah, it's. So he had insurance to your question. I think that if his career got to his... The career got to his... He had insurance policy that if he could never play golf again, he gets, you know how much it is. I've heard $35 million.

Heesh. All right, I've read that. That's the report of something like that. And it's not all at once, but it's something like that. About 2012. It 10 starts, two cuts. I think that was the beginning. That was the end.

That was the end right there. So, for what we got to do is... We're working on our friends. We're still trying to get them. I don't know if it's ever going to happen, but we are... We have A line, and we're not sure if it's ever going to happen, but we are we have a line and we're not sure if we're ever going to be able to to use it, but we're trying. Good stuff. All right. Next up for me, this one shouldn't be that too, too hard to get. He won a major

in within the last 10 years, okay? Major champion. Wanted at a very historic place. But it's the true what ifs are, if a couple balls bounce a different way in the last decade that we're talking about. Potentially someone having as many majors as Phil Mickelson, Sevy and Byron Nelson. He could have also won the same major at the same course, the only two people to do that that at this course in recent history are Tiger Woods and Jack Nicholas.

Louis Eustason. Louis Eustason. Actress King. The winner of the 2010 Open Championship at St. Andrews. Just a short two years later, he helped the solo lead at Augusta National at the Masters with three holes to play and part his last three holes. Bubba makes a birdie on the 16th hole to get into a playoff.

And Bubba, they tie the opening hole of the playoff on the 18th. They go to 10. Bubba hits the shot off the pine straw. Louis U.S. makes Bogey Bubba wins the Masters. That was, you say that. Yeah. At the 2015 US Open at Chambers Bay, shout out of course to Gary Player. He's six shots back with seven holes to play.

He birdies 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 18 to tie the lead, speed birdies the last hole, and he misses out on a playoff by one shot. This was like good morning, David. This was Fox had totally lost track of them. They lost track of the whole tournament. He shot it on a single sweepstakes at that F-2.

29 back at the US open to almost get into a playoff. Wasn't he doing that thing where, wasn't he looking at the hole when he putt, he putt it to, I believe from like 30 feet. I think that's speed. No, thank you. No, Louis was doing it too. He was doing it too.

Look it up. He was experimenting with like some weird putting and like looking at the hole when he putt and he just made everything. It was crazy. The very next major start, back at St Andrews, 2015 open championship Has a chance to join Tiger and Nicholas as the only two players to go back to back at St Andrews in modern history shot the James

Great gets into a playoff with Zach Johnson and Mark Leishman After Zach Johnson had tapstown his spike marks repeatedly Zach Johnson taps down his spike marks repeatedly. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the time.

Thank you. Thank you for the time. Many times on the back nine. Many, many times with a hammer. And he finishes second in the playoff to miss out on winning another open championship. Fast forward two years later at the 2017 PGA championship. And Justin Thomas wins that at eight under, finishing solo second by two shots to Mr. Thomas was Louis Ustazen.

Four incredibly close calls. The PGA wasn't that close, but a couple balls bounce a different way. JT hits one of the water coming in. Louis Ustazen is a five time major champion. It feels like a couple balls at bounce for other players, different ways, right? Like it's not like a, oh man, if he had only, it's like, he did everything

like to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If Bubba, like, if Bubba's ball rolls up against the tree and those right, you know, the right pine straw instead of a nice lie that only Bubba can hit that shot as a lefty that, to hook it that badly, it just, it, it, but he just doesn't have the resume of other wins to back it up. It would be the weirdest career ever if he was like a five time major winner, six time tour winner. Yeah, he's like the, he's like a, he's three Ann Halka brothers at one in one if that happens. Well, what's, what, what actually do you want any other turns?

Yeah, no, we looked this up. He's never one other PJ. That's what, like PJ Tore. Everybody gives him a pass I think because he's just like the nicest, most affable, likable guy, but he doesn't win fucking anything. Well, the whole lot of us, so my what if for him is like,

what if he never discovered like farming and tractors? That's the what if, because I've heard like people, you know, like talk to his coach and, you know, I guess his coach is like, yeah, like if this guy gave like 5% of a shit, he would be like the number one player in the world, much less like 95%. For him, I didn't even like golf.

His one European tour win, the Africa Open. I'm sorry, that's not right. That's one playout. He has nine European tour wins, including the Africa Open, back to back. No, did not go full of Mansky. But his only PGA tour win is the Open Championship, and then his PGA Tour playoff record, oh and two, losing at the Masters

and the Open Championship. Wow. Tough seed. And he does travel with his own mattress. And he wanted to play with it. Which is my favorite. He won the 2010 open by seven shots, we should note as well.

Like he ran away and he played. He ran away and he did. He ran away and he did. Deeply boring tournament. Yes. So that's my second nomination. Good stuff. All right, back to the, back to the juniors,

failed on this one is tough. He did have more professional success than someone like Mr. Phillip Francis, but he was a young man who grew up in Mobile, Alabama, where he would play a Mobile Country Club with his dad and his brother, Ford. Great name. He won four consecutive Alabama boys, state juniors, including an historic one in 2010, when he shot 57 at Mobile Country Club with 12 birdies and eagle and five pars.

According to the legend, he actually horseshoed on the last hole for 56. Shot a nine under 26 on the front. So you're saying he choked on the back? And she exactly, you're saying that. Fun fact actually, that day he was paired with future tour players, Michael Johnson and Trey Mollenax also And he guesses

No, I thought you guys wouldn't there. I thought you guys would know this one. I don't know. Bobby why it is exactly right He goes on to Alabama Where I think he was roommates with Trey Mollen Axe actually. When Roll Tide and Roll They Did Randy. He wins an SEC Championship, he wins two team NCAA championships, went 60 and one in his last seven NCAA championship matches. Let me hit you guys with a couple quotes. A lot of this info is from Brian Wacker in a golf world story. By the time he was 21, he was schmoozing with President George W. Bush during a practice round

at the 2013 Walker Cup at National Golf Links. parentheses, the bushes are close family friends with the y's. Now watch this drive. Now watch this drive. Went to Alabama, he's a first team all-American as a senior. He won the much ballet, this is a quote.

Won the much ballet-whoed sonny, Sonny Hannah Ameter, who's a list of champions, includes everyone from Ben Krenshaw too. Ricky Fowler. Ricky Fowler took medalist honors in the stroke play portion of the 2012 USAM, went unbeaten at the Walker Cup. Cooled from Justin Thomas. It was freakish how good he could hit the ball.

When he would get going with his ball striking, it was unbelievable. The perfect noise left those perfect dollar billed divots. Sometimes I just sit on the range and watch him hit perfect five yard draws over and over and over. Uh, this is a quote from, from another tour player who I don't know if they knew I was quoting him. So we'll, we'll leave monotonous.

Uh, I kind of wish I knew more about what happened to him out of curiosity. You always hear things about guys like those guys like that. Jeffrey Kang lost his driver. Philip Francis tried to get longer, but Bobby was perfect. Perfect swing, perfect stroke. So he leaves Alabama and actually quick side note. I remember going up with Sean Martin to the Jones Cup up in Sea Island and watching it's like this, you know, premier Amarigal tournament and Jimmy Johnson, what just got

done, Cady for Steve Stricker, this must have been like 2014, 13, something like that. Was kind of looking for like his next, you know, who his next bag was gonna be and he was Cading that week for Bobby White. Obviously chose a different member of the Alabama golf team and financially that was probably a very good decision because Bobby's pro career did not go quite as well

as people would have thought. He did get his tour card, I believe through that for the 2016-17 season, through the web.com Tory finished, I think, third or something at Zurich on a sponsored exemption, locked up his card for his web card for the next year, ended up getting his tour card and missed 13 of 19 cuts in 2017. It's back-pumels. Not that I could find.

That was wits of that. Again, stop jumping ahead of my list. Yeah, so a quote from this golf world story from Wacker, this is from 2018 before he would ultimately hang it up in professional golf. Missing a ton of cuts, where's on you? He said lamenting all those exasperating weeks on the road. I had a lot of self doubt if I was good enough

Or if I even wanted to be out there it was crazy here I thought my whole life I would be a successful pro golfer. What is he doing now? You may ask according to his LinkedIn. He has had two jobs He lists his job as pro golfer for four years and seven months and now he is a private wealth manager at Goldman Sachs Oh my gosh, I was just getting ready to feel sorry for him. So I don't, you know, I... Good for him, let him know. Failed junior golfer is not necessarily, you know,

he did make it to the PJ tour, but seeing someone like that, he's probably, you know, sub 30 still, and has already just... Probably wow his clients with his hand. He hung it up and just managing money. Gosh.

Do you think you got that job on merit? Maybe a family connection? I'm sure he's a massive. That's me. Massive family in all these deposits. I take him. I'm sure he's making more money than he was as a professional member.

And that's more lucrative. Did you get your job on merit, Randy? Probably not. I's more lucrative. Did you get your job on Merit Randy? Probably not. I could say definitely not. That's Bobby Wyatt. How you gonna recover from that one right? A year up. I mean, what is Merit? Okay, so I said I had one from each decade. So, the Marco was the 2000s Bobby Watts, or Brian Watts was the 1990s. And so, we're coming to the current decade. This gentleman entered 2019 ranked seventh in the world on the heels of his first major championship at the 2018 British Open at Karniusti. Wow, where he won by two strokes.

He carried that momentum into the PGA championship in 2018. Finished tied for six. Like I said, Inter's 2019 ranked seventh in the world, playing the best golf of his life. We get to the 2019 Masters. He's standing on the 12th tee with a two shot lead. Quote, I was between an eight and a nine. He took the eight, but took too much off of it, pushed it ever so slightly.

This from Michael Bamberger's new book, The Second Life of Tiger Woods. The win was befuddling. It befuddled pretty much everybody going through 12 that Sunday. His ball hit the far bank, trickled back into the water, did not get the Fred Couples 1992 break that he needed.

Made double on 12. Let Tiger back into it. He and Tiger are now tied for the lead going to 13. Tiger hits a squirrely drive on 13 if you remember. There's a real threat that he's lost it left. His ball ends up safe. Makes birdie. The guy I'm talking about for in Tesco, Mollinari also makes birdie. They par 14, so now we're tied on the 15th hole. Tiger hits two gorgeous shots into the middle of the green on 15. Mollinari after squirrely drive lays up down the left hand side. It's a little pitch for a third shot that clips and overhanging limb falls into the water. He makes double and that's the end of it. You know what they call that?

Rubber the green. Exactly. Red test code sleeps. So my what ifs, my what if is again twofold. One obviously tiger, right? If Maulinarari finds the green on 12, finishes the 2019 Masters. How will Tiger's legacy be remembered forever? Does he ever get the 15th major? Of course, you know, we don't know.

But that's one important, what if? The second for Mollinari specifically a green jacket certainly makes him a hall of Famer. It's a second major title. Will he ever get another good look at a major championship? I said he entered that master's week of 2019 ranked seventh in the OWGR. He's now 28th and something appears to be missing since then. In 17 Worldwide starts since that Masters, he has zero top 10s and it's conceivable at age 37 that he'll never rise to that level play again.

He's on, he could be on the downside. Of course, we'll see. But, you know, looking back that might be the difference between, you know, Mollinari, the Hall of Famer, maybe Tiger with a completely different legacy in history, maybe Tiger with a completely different legacy in history. Maybe because of, you know, if there was an extra blade of grass on the bank on 12 and the ball holds up,

or if there's not a tree limb that eclipse on 15. So that's my final what if. My, I like that one, but all I can picture with you saying that is a man running away from a grizzly bear like Tiger just like you know Like just gaining on it like that whole round. You're like there's no way this guy Isn't gonna get he looks spent. He yeah, like I just felt like from the from like number six on it was like There's no way was he grinded making like every 12 footer. Yeah, he was getting up and down from everywhere and it's just like that

It's not sustainable. Right. RIP. Yeah. I like the interpretation of what if like it's like, oh, yeah, Tiger won the Masters, but it's like at that point, I think Tiger has like a 12% chance like per like the live tracking. He had about 12% chance of winning when they got to 12.

And then everybody like those three guys, Keppka, Fienaal, Molenari, all going in the water, it launched him up to like whatever the percentage was, but the chances of all of that happening, it's just part of history now, you don't really think about it, but it is an enormous, enormous what if? I think Keppka hit the water on purpose. Yes, he did the right thing.

He did the right thing. Jackson, life goes. Guys, you're going to do a little lightning round here. Okay. Before I get to my third one, just going to pee on all of you guys. Yeah, pee on everybody. Here's the top 50 air-duced. I just put your chevon's away and stop it.

DL3, just kind of a what-if career. Can we call these honorable mentions there? Sure, sure. Bob Tway, like he was a sure thing. Can't miss guy and you know kind of missed. Um, Wicecoff, another kind of what if career? That's a big one. Um, Johnny Miller, what if he could putt?

Mm-hmm. Um, especially Levine, what if things end up in Phoenix differently? You know, that changes his life drastically. Amanda Blumentherst. That's a good one. She was a can't miss. Yeah. Ryan Moore, another guy who is probably NCAA and USM same year.

And what was the other one? Bryson did the same thing. Not the public, I think too. Yeah. Yeah. Among others, Tiger, Phil and Jack as well. Hey, Keeney. Hey, Keeney's a good one. Uh Monty what if you know what if he he treats the galleries differently and is I

Know Monty was there's like that's kind of a layup. I was thinking I didn't do that one because I thought somebody else would but I'm going in a different direction This this player one Pumphate He's going in different. he's developed this fade away this one this this player won 21 times in a three-year stretch in the 2000s on what tour oh I think I know it Lorino Chau yes I was hoping that's that's a good one. She won twice and oh four once and oh five and then six times and oh six eight times and oh seven seven times and oh eight three times and oh nine plays six events in 2010 and retires. Just walked off. At the age of 29. Why'd she retire? Spend time with family.

Has she really had some kids? I think you tell me, Randy. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that.

I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to do that. cheating like backstopping cheating or all kinds of cheating. Cheating that would blow your mind. Careful the questions you asked. No, I can't. I'm like, you know, I can experience you button. I think that was that was part of it. There was there was some some nefarious stuff going on. But no, I think, you know, I think she just got burned out too. It sounded like so. Yeah, just a what if she, you know, great family life at home in Mexico and kind of still someone involved with the game.

But yeah, just definite what if, I mean, you know, 127 times in a span of five or six years. Didn't win quite as many majors as you would expect. One, the 20, or the, the 08 craft the Biscoe and then the 07 women's British Open. But otherwise her, you know, it's just a sea of yellow on the Wikipedia page as far as top 10s and those. Lost a couple play offs in majors as well. But, well, yeah, I would say she was a, she was a killer. Potential goat figure, who just left.

Which I think, I mean, there's nothing better than walking off at the peak of your powers. As Randy said, Tiger should never have made that last putt at the master's he should have scooped it and just walked off into the sunset. So I'm kind of interpreted, now that I'm here and how everybody else interpreted it. I'm changing my mind.

No, no, it's the same pick, but it was more for me. Like, it's major what ifs, right? It's got, to me, it's like, guys, it got what a career, but if they have that major, the Hall of Fame, you know, what does that make their career? What are the comps then? Can we give a real quick shout out to, it's now been a week since the Hall of Fame announced

that Tiger was getting moved in. How has that announcement been going? Can we just say, like nobody cares about the Hall of Fame and golf? I've never heard any fans say to each other, like is he a Hall of Famer? For the love of golf. Well, according to Omega, standing in the Hall of Fame

is nothing we should all. That has actually been more than a week. They announced it on like, sorry, two weeks, two weeks. Friday, yes. Thursday or Friday after this. I think it was Friday. All the shit was in the fan.

Yeah. So I almost think it's, I agree totally, but I think it's like a, it's something to add for like conversations like this. And that's pretty much it. Well, I mean also like, the announcement was totally, I don't know, overshadowed by the

chain-spokers concert. For sure. Well, how about they didn't even announce the rest of the class? They just announced Tiger. Maybe he is the class. He say he are the class. I think Finchham's in the class too. There's a few others.

Anyway. All right, next topic. This player has 12 PGA Tour wins spanning from 1996 to 2012. He is the, he has 13 top 10s in majors. His nickname, Mr. September, for his success in the FedEx Cup playoffs, wondering who created that nickname for him. He's slow-combed.

No, that's a great guess. Come back player of the year 20 7th Shricker yeah, Shricker back to back my what if my biggest what if here approaching me? It's key to me if you put a god you a man scheme for come back later the year well for sure But what if he doesn't lay up and shank a layup a number two at Marion in the I was I think 2013 14 2014 13 2013 2013 you us open and do I

Want to pose this to the group do he and Justin Rose switch careers in away where Rose has one major win and Sticker has more career wins, but Rose has time to catch him on that Does he become I just think that vaults him into a completely different category. Stricker for me has always had had issues with pressure. The key is the guy that like I don't trust it under the gun except at the John Deere classic. Except it's going to get there. The guy beat up the John Deere three time winner, I believe. Of the John Deere Classic. Except at the John Deere. Well, I was gonna get there. The guy beat up the John Deere. Three time winner, I believe.

Of the John Deere. Yes. I mean, I think if I remember right, strikers major record is not very impressive. 13 top 10s though. Except the John Deere. Including. Including, let's see.

T5 back to back, T5 and 98, T5 are solo fifth in 99 at the US open. T5 and 98 T5 or solo fifth in 99 at the US Open. Masters T10 T6 T10 in 2001 T6 in 2009. US Open again. I just feel like the US Open was going to be where, you know, he's got a bunch of, he's got a T5 T5 play solo T6 T8 in the US Open. play solo t6 t8 in the us open uh three thousand thirteen he was t8 solid for just just for your reference uh... he did a manskey john deer

yes he did back to back to back oh nine ten and eleven but the fact he didn't win three straight comeback player the year awards it's probably the biggest indictment of his career i mean which how do you win the company three years and a half he broke award. They stopped giving it away. I don't I don't know how that works. But the longevity of the career is impressive. The re the rebuild. Yeah.

Late bloomer. Twice in 96 and then. But I just wonder because I remember watching the 2013. You guys open. He was a favorite going in the kind of people like talking about. I'm like, oh man, maybe Stricker will break through. He was one back, and he was, I think, playing, you know, he had momentum, and he just, he

shanked, he completely shanked it out of bounds. And then he was just like, that's it. It's over. Like, they just, he's very basically dropped him from coverage from then on. It was sick. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people would say that what if of that is Michelson right more so than than striker but I just compared to the actual winner Justin Rose I think it's almost up they flip flip careers in a way we

think about them. Justin Rose is one ten times on the PGA tour strikers one 12 12. Rosie has the Euro tour win so I think strikers got the PGA tour champion. Well, it's right. I think an important question though with Rose does it. Rose ever partner with Morgan Stanley? Exactly. Maybe striker partners inside with Morgan Stanley.

Maybe striker Benobos. Does he leave American family and shirts behind? Exactly. Maybe striker gets the onma contract. You never know. True. Maybe striker becomes a The MB what is that Sam for?

What what you didn't say something British Empire like Oh MB. Yeah, yeah, something British excellence. Yeah, yeah, maybe Rosie's got do you think Rosie will be knighted? I think you already was Sorry, what do you know? Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry 12 during the 92 masters. Like that ball should have gone in the water. If that ball doesn't go in the water, couples is essentially Ricky, Ricky 1.0. And he won 15 times on tour. Back when it was probably a little bit easier. Ricky never get into 15. Like I said, back when it was easier to win on tour. He'd lift that clip out, save it for like 20 years from now.

Plus, there it is. Do you think Ricky's going to triple his career output? He's got five right now. Ricky and Winne and 15 times in three lifetime. That's a safe block to be on. All right. I'm going to go, this one's going to be different from anything we've talked about to this point. You guys will get this one eventually.

So just chime in as soon as you get it. I'm gonna go through a list of close calls for this player, okay? He finished second to Arnold Palmer at the 1960 U.S. Open as an Amateur. Check me, Nicholas. Check me, Nicholas. He finished second to Arnie at the 1964 Masters.

He finished second at the 1964 PGA, second at the 1965 PGA, second at the 1967 Open Championship, second at the 1968 U.S. Open to Lee Trevino, second at the 68 Open Championship to Gary Player, second at the 71 Masters, second at the 71 U.S. Open. He lost in a playoff to Trevino, second at the 72 Open Championship to Trevino yet again. He had won the Masters and the US Open in that year. Second at the 1974 PGA Championship to Trevino again. Second at the 1976 Open Championship. Second at the 1977 Masters at Tom Watson. Second at the 77 Open to Tom Watson again dual in the sun final round 65 Second at the 79 open to Sevy second at the 1981 masters at Tom Watson second to Tom Watson at the 1982

US open second to house Sutton at the 1983 PGA championship Let's go stink can't close Can't close to 20 feet now if you lost track that's Seven runner-ups in the open four in each of the other majors, another nine third place finishes in majors, and 56 total top five finishes in majors. For reference, Tiger has 33 top fives in majors and seven runner-ups. Nicholas has 19 runner-ups. She's, so it was a, sounds like I always thought Watson was the biggest, you know, I guess, dual or, you know, Trevino.

Trevino. Trevino took him down. Wow. Trevino, Trevino. Trevino, it's Gator Bears. Absolute dog. Completely dog. And killer.

I know a lot of that is kind of just reflective. It's not a killer. Reflective of the era in that he was just, like you could play bad and finish T. He could play bad and finish T8 and that can't happen anymore on tour. But that many close calls, a lot of them are, you know, a lot of them aren't super close.

They're like kind of backdoory T2s and like not really threatening to win it. But gosh, to finish one spot away from another 19 majors. Whew, Jesus. Just to read them out loud. I feel like 19 second place finishes kind of gets glossed, but if seven of those go his way and he's a 25 kind major winner, like what are we, like Tiger Racing for Jack never is a real thing.

No one was ever, maybe he still probably won't catch him, but he was never gonna catch 25. It's wild. What a lot of work this is. What a lot of work this is. What a lot of work this is for Jack. Oh, it's too close calls. What if Jack was cool? I had that deck.

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I'm going to follow Jack Nicholas with Corey Witz it I Thought somebody's gonna do Lynn Matisse as well That would have been a good one. He can be an honor Just super quickly. He made a quint on the 17th hall to give away the 19 98 players Shot of fine around 65 at the other three masters to get into a playoff and then they rolled the 10th green before the playoff He three puts they didn't tell the players. They didn't tell the players Juiced it like 15 feet past the hole and three-butted yeah, and Mike we were one it so

Got a skiing actually blew out his knee in his careers never seen his it's got a very tough career As chronicled in the golfers journal podcast that DJ pie did it was thank you very much Cory what's it will move through this one very quick 2007 US junior champ at age 15, which is freakishly young. He actually on the way to winning that 2007 US junior, I believe he dispatched a young Zach Blair who played with him. I believe he beat him in like the round of 32 or something. And Zach said at age 15 15 he already had like a tour caddy cadding form and was like such a pro already at that age.

You want to eat in seven in the finals? Correct. So he's very similar story to Bobby Wyatt, just freakishly, freakishly good junior goes to Alabama, wins two national championships. And but before he gets to Alabama, has a fracture in his back, stress fracture in his back. So he's able to piece together while is that Alabama become one of the best players in the nation, coach from JC Will, or quote from JC Will, sorry his coach. Cory before the back injury was the best player in the United States even as a junior player. I assume he's talking about like he was the best college player even before he got the college.

I truly believe now he's as good as he's ever been. It goes on to Mount a seven and two record at the NCAA championships. As of 2018, that's the most wins of anybody since it switched to match play. Where was he seen last? You may ask. He was cadding for Justin Thomas at the Hero World Challenge. So another guy that he just got to pro golf.

I think according to some sources, it sounds like the back injury is just kept coming back and back and back and tried to change instructors, tried to change his swing and just never could piece it back together. And so now he, yeah, he was cadding. I thought I heard maybe he was cadding for Train Mullin' Axe as well on more of a regular basis,

but I think still trying to maybe do some mini tours, but just not gonna work here anymore. He was a couple groups, apart from us, when I cadded for Zach at Nashville Golf Lengths of America. Yeah. And even from a distance, just kind of watching his swing on a throwing a backup. Lefty.

Lefty, just long, languid, really just a natural, natural talent. Yep, so that's a quick one, but. T.C., that brings up another what if, what if you had not gotten ZB at Teostro Poundley? Well, it's funny you ask, if I wouldn't have gotten him at Teostro Poundley, he would have finished, I think, like, 63rd instead of 64th,

and he would have made another $600, which he docked The you know 6% of that from my from my paycheck So that's a pretty clear cut. What if so those are those are who could say what would happen who could say those are our 15 guys More like 20 27 to 35 Also, I'd like to say V if VJ doesn't settle with the tour on the dear antler lawsuit Could be some more guys that would be with tarnish records. We would no way. Yeah, we would just have we would have PGA tour would have to open up their books who would have been a fucking sweepstakes, so that's a that's a huge one in my mind

The tour can't be a what if guy though. It's a corporation or nonprofit. All right, maybe Tim Finchim's the what if guy. TZ's a big corporations are people. They should have the same rights. So I think what we should do in order to whittle down to our top five is I think we go around at the I'm stealing loosely from the big picture podcast and movie podcast, but they'll basically go around and they'll say either thumbs up, thumbs down, this guy's on the short list. Okay.

Develop the short list and then you argue the short list from there. Is that work? Sir, Randy, we'll go around. I believe you start with Chris DeMarco. Yes. He goes on my short list. He goes on my short list.

Two thumbs up, I'll find that one. TC? That's not a choice. Who was your first guy? Jim Thorpe was his... Jim Thorpe. I'm not donating any of my people. All right.

I'm going on the East Coast. Hold on, you're three words Thorpe. Well, we'll get to, he's saying. I'll re-know Joe and Esteban Toledo. Okay, so Thorpe, I said no. Let's stick to the process here. Yeah. Thorpe's a no.

Thorpe's a no. Okay, Neil. Kenny Perry. I mean, yes, for Kenny Perry. My first, it's, it's, he, he, well, is Kenny Perry on the short list? How do you guys not grasp what I'm trying to do here? I don't know what's going on here.

We're, we're gonna nominate some of the Whittles. And we're trying to whittle, we're trying to whittle at them. Well, it's tough, because if, if it's, if you're asking me of my three guys, you know, I don't think we're asking the group. Is Kenny Perry on the shortlist or not? I don't think he is. I don't think it demonstrally. I don't think he is. I don't think of all the guys. I think he had too much success to be able to be a what if guy.

Okay, fair enough. Ed's need. I don't think he is. I mean, from the grand scheme of golf, I think it's more of like a what if that for that one guy's life is more of the question than the scheme of golf sure So I'd say no thumbs down thumbs down on it's need Yeah, you guys don't have the votes you two you lose Phil Francis I'm gonna ride hard for Phil Francis. I think I didn't know anything about Phil Francis, so I'll give him a thumb up Ready my second guy was Brian Watts Randy? My second guy was Brian Watts. That's a tough one. Thumbs down for me.

Yeah, I'm going down. I'm going down. Sorry Brian. See you, Randy. I'm going up even just because I know I'm not going to. You don't have those. You're second. Espon Toledo. I'm going to give that a thumbs down. I'm going to give it a thumbs up because who knows? Mexican golf might take over. That's no, you're right. What's a personal thumbs up because of the being there

to see that live. Okay, well, two thumbs up. So you're gonna take a break now. Okay. You're Louis? Mine was Louis. I'm gonna give Louis a thumbs up. Louis goes to the end.

Yes. What was Neil's second round? Anthony Kim. Anthony Kim. Oh, he's a thumbs up. Decidedly if that if the biggest up. Uh, I had Bobby Wyatt, I'm gonna go thumbs down on that one. I'm gonna go down.

I'm gonna go thumbs up. Thanks. It sounded like he was a good man. Yeah. They sound the quote from JT. I think that's a thumbs up for me. I'm going thumbs down just because I think Witsett is. It's my thumbs up there.

I'm with you. Uh, Randy, you're the last guy. Uh, Frankie Mullenullen are yes, I think It's too too really to say yeah, so I gotta go thumbs down But it's a fair of an absolute situation still I think it's more of a what if for tiger than it was a Mullen are you so I'm gonna go thumbs down. Yeah, you framed it properly. Yeah, we find it great By the way, you framed it great. How did nobody go with what if Tiger didn't go in the fucking kill house?

That's a good blow of faith. I thought somebody was gonna do Tiger. That was a, that's too easy. That's how I know when did Mati. Like Mati should be on the slush. Oh, I thought about what if Tiger didn't hit the flag stick in 13, literally an inch. And yeah, anyway.

What if they'd be cute as a ass? Lorraine O'Chill, I believe was next. I'm gonna go thumbs up on Lorraine. For sure. For sure. I'll show it. Neil? Steve Stryker, thumbs down.

Thumbs down. For me too. Because he's, I mean, he's similar to Kenny Perry. Yeah, too much other success. I think the close call for Kenny Perry at the masters though is such a like What if thing for me that specific event strikers shank it Marion isn't as yeah, you know culturally relatively Visceral. Yeah, mine was Jack Nicholas Jack Nicholas. I'm gonna give thumbs up down thumbs down Jack Nickless, I'm gonna give Thumbs Up. Thumbs Down.

Thumbs Down. Randy? Oh God. What do you, I'm Thumbs Up. I mean, what could have been Randy's the swing-up? Well, as the criteria that we're using, I would say Thumbs Down because he's not a what-if guy. Does that make sense?

He's like, how much more guy? Yeah. Sure. Okay. Well, listen, he's off the list then. Probably demonstrably changes things for Tiger more than Jack, right? Possibly. Randy, your last guy, are we already did yours?

You're last guy. Oh, I'm last guy. Cory Whitsit. I didn't do a real good sales job, but I'm still gonna go thumbs up. Cory Whitsit. I'm going down because I went up on Wyatt. I'm down.

I'm down just because Francis, I think, is the guy for kind of this, your mold of God. You need to switch your vote, Randy. Yes. Go thumbs down on Wyatt, thumbs up on Whitsitt. I thought Wyatt was more compelling. Yeah, I did too. Face, and maybe it was the presentation of the case

because he gave some quote. All right, I'm switching my vote to thumbs up on Wyatt. Yeah. Now we have six of the short lists. So we need to figure out who we're cutting. Okay, for the six are. The six are Bobby Wyatt, Chris DeMarco, Philip Francis, Louie Ustazen, Anthony Kim, Lorraine Ochoa.

We just got to cut one from that. We need to cut one from that list. I'm cutting Bobby Wyatt. I'm cutting Wyatt. I'm cutting Bobby Wyatt. I'm cutting Wyatt. I'm cutting Wyatt as well. I'm cutting Anthony Kim. I think Demarco is the most fascinating. Yeah, Demarco is a great opener. So that's our five.

Our five what if guys and one lady. Where's Demarco? Well, cut Louie from that list for the record. Why? How come? Well, I think he, I think for, he's a major champion. I think everybody recognizes him as a great player. I mean, I understand the case, but from that list, I think he's the guy that he's not a what if, like, like the others.

I think he belongs on the list. I thought it's on the TV. I think he'd be historically historically. By putting it in context of if he had if he had one at least like two of those he's in a completely different class of player. And the fact that he played really well in all of those instances, it wasn't a no collapses. No collapses is also, I think, a fascinating part of our list. He might be the only example of that. Randy, I'll put it to you this way. And I want to give a hat tip to our friends over the shotgun

start, because this is firmly in their lane. But if Louis wins by handful of those majors, he has the inside track to win a FedEx cup with a UPS logo on his shirt. Do you know his story? I do like that. I do like that. Yeah, I do like that.

You can make a case of Lee West we could be on this list too, but. Yeah, definitely. Folks, that's, so who do you, Bobby? Do we feel, yeah, you gave him a stay of execution just to kill him the next day, yeah. Yeah, I do. Just to show that I try to do my part to keep him alive.

So designed by committee, our top five, what if people of all time, Chris DeMarco, Philip Francis, Louis Ustes and Anthony Kimberler, Reno, Ochoa, I feel really good about that list. That's a good list. I feel good. Like the system works.

I would sure I'd go to call it top five of all time, but like the context, like five interesting, what if guys? Of our test. Very IEL-E. Torts are lifetime. Yeah. It's an NLEU top five.

Yeah. So I feel well that was fun. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, and I think well, but it's worth noting that, you know, people are going to reach out. What about Monty, right? Or what about you could add a million people? Some obvious ones.

I would encourage all those people on their on their podcast to do it I would like young Tom Morris Senator. Oh, yeah, I would send all your complaints to at NG shoe NLU on Twitter. He'll happily take him case by case He loves the Engagement he loves getting his engagement numbers up Yeah, I'll do a host of mailbag. Yeah, fine in these slant. You're on with the czar. What's burning? All right, let's wrap it up that thank you everyone for tuning in and you will hear from us again here shortly. Cheers Give it a nice blow. Be the right club today

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