No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 311: Carnage Tournaments

Episode Date: May 13, 2020

We dove into the annals of history to each find a past event that featured some special carnage. We detail where things went wrong (or right, depending on how you look at it) in course setups, the high scores that ensued, the funny occurrences, and of course the classic quotes. The events include the 2004 US Open, the 2017 Bahamas Great Exuma Classic, the 1901 US Open, the 1979 Players Championship, and the 1999 Open Championship. This was a lot of fun.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Somebody reached out to us asking for a podcast on some of the best carnage events in golf history. I love the idea. If you are the one that DM me, shoot me another one, say, uh, come collect your prize, which is this podcast. So, uh, Sally here, Neil is here. Hello. TC is here.

Greetings. Big Randy. Good afternoon. DJ Pie. Hello, huh. We have scoured the annals of the game and come up with not necessarily the most obvious carnage ones. If we leave some out, we'll do an honorable mention at the end about that.

But kind of collecting some nuggets from five different events throughout the year that have featured carnage in some way or another. I don't know how you guys all interpreted it. We will find out that shortly. I think we're going to expand some different eras and different tours, I believe. We felt bad. We left. The big guy had to start his last book report an hour and a half into us recording.

We're going to start with him and take us to wherever you want to take us. Well, we need upfront. We recognize one that's not going to be touched on here, which is the 2016 players championship in the round by Kenduke. Correct. On Saturday. The 65 by Kenduke on Saturday. Sure. That was the obvious. Sure. Kenduke now. Sure. Kenduke. God save the party. Largely because of that round. It was a totally revisit that one. It's been a while since we explained that one. Yeah, I never really understood it to begin with. What's there to understand? Of course.

Has he been knighted? No, not yet, but he's well on his way. And you think just because of that round he should be knighted? Absolutely. And he's also not English. But, doesn't he seem like he should be English? It's. And he's also not English, but. Dunnees seem like he should be English. It's kind of an England or Alabama thing. Kind of Duke.

He's from Arkansas though. Kind of Duke, he's a, so, you know, he's just the name, connotes like, what have they done here? Royalty, yeah, he's, so that one we felt was too obvious. Nobody actually dedicated their afternoon to, to going through that one,

but that is probably the greatest carnage round. Mike Davis himself, well, we had a mole on the plane sitting right behind dedicated their afternoon to to going through that one, but that is probably the greatest carnage round. Like Dave's himself. Well, we had a mole on the plane sitting right behind Mike Davis who was talking to some of the PJ tour setup guys on the phone. Especially the Andy Pastor, I think. Well, I was trying to keep names out of it, but apparently was talking to them and he's like, oh, this was, come on, this wasn't that big of a deal. Like, you guys don't have anything to worry about. This is, you know, this is nothing like, oh, this was, come on. This wasn't that big of a deal. Like, you guys don't have anything to worry about.

This is, you know, this is nothing like a four at Shinnokok, what we had to deal with. That was bad. That was way worse. You guys didn't lose the golf course. You didn't do anything. It was all good. So anyways, Radecky, that feels like a very natural transition.

Yeah. Shout out to KB. Well, I just wanted to say I've always held the Kenduk round in such high regard until I pulled up the wiki page today. And Hedecky shot 67 that day. I think that's two strokes worse. That's what that's worse, but I thought Kendoot blew the field away by like seven. I thought like nobody got within.

I think do you think it was also like 46? No, but I'm all it's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. I thought it was like Fierrix 59. No, it was against the field average was. Field average was way out, but I thought when F something when furex shot 59 no one got within seven shots of him I think which is probably one of the largest single-round variances in tour history and I In my mind that's what I thought Ken Duke was well, that's why you should never verify this kind of stuff

Also, shout out that we're fun Hedecki for he seemed to ball out in in tough years at the at the players This year he won the players this year. He won the players this year. And he sure did. Well, I mean, it wasn't a tough year. It was probably the easiest day I've ever seen over there. It was. It was a tough scene.

It was a tough scene. All right, take us there. Shall we get into it? Well, let's go to 2004, Shinnecock. I think in my mind, that's my first association with Carnage. And I'm sure a lot of people It's near the top of their list when they think of carnage events. So This is the 2004 US open

Shinnecock Hills golf club. It's playing as a part 70 Just under 7,000 yards. Let me start out. What what do you guys remember? Let's exclude the final round because we're gonna get into the final round What What do you guys remember about rounds one through three? Mr. TC Spencer Levine Spencer what specifically? Just everything about it the ethos Was it round three that he had a hole in one? I don't know was he ripping heaters? He was ripping heaters He was an amateur. He had that floral shirt on the day. A floral shirt on. He had the visor on. Deat anybody else?

Shinnoncock. Well, I mean, what you said, no, a final round, but water in the greens is that's what I was going to say. I think there's an iconic image. I think it'd be cool if everybody if you could think of one. Well, Phil had the four putt on number seven. I don't think that was final round.

That was an early, that was Saturday. Okay. Then that's my lesson. When did it? When the iconic video clip you see all the time is them just stopping play and the guy coming out with the hose on the green. So that's Sunday. So let's dive. My point is and you guys are you guys were good audience with this is the first three rounds were pretty tame. The first round leaders were team. The first round leaders were, excuse me, on Hill Cabrera, J. Haas and Chegeki Maruyama all shot 66 in round one for under. Just like my kids to use. That's right. Thank you TC. I also want to point out this is the same scene 14 years later where the course was on the edge and then they lost it. It's gone.

Exactly. Of course. Round two, you know, some more 66s is out there. Mikkelsen and Ritef, both shot 66. They jump into contention. The 36 hole leads actually at 600. It's Mikkelsen and Mary Yamma are tied for the lead. I always, when I see his name, I always pronounce it now like Elk. Of pronounces. You get to Mary Yamma. We're the Pa. So that's, that's, that's, his name, I always pronounce it now like, elk of pronounces. We get to get to Mary Young with the paw. So that's, that's, that's,

it's brilliant to get here. Exactly, exaggerating that name. Jeff Maggard, I know Neil, you're a big Jeff Maggard fan. Sure. He's a flusher. He was just one back. And so then we get into Saturday. And this is where the course starts getting tougher.

They've turned the water off apparently. But still in round three. Do we have a win switch? Much like this year? That's where it seems like these kinds of things happen. Yeah. So round three, there's another 66 out there. Everybody's favorite.

Tim Clark, this was a pre anchor band. So he's still... You remember when we saw Tim Clark at the Habachi girl? I do. And Hilton had it. I do. That's not the night of our first board meeting. Yes.

He was getting wild over there. And she told the stripper my mouth. Socke for the South Africans. Yeah. So there are seven people heading in a Sunday. There are seven people under par for the tournament at the 2004 US Open. So now let's get to round four.

Everything changes. DJ, as you said, the wind shifts. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, you guys have certainly been there. I have not, but I believe the prevailing wind is south, south, west. That's right. When we summer in the Hampton,

that's where it usually comes from. Don't hold me there. That's what we prefer. Yeah, don't. And's where it usually comes. Don't don't hold me there. But that's what we prefer. Yeah, don't. No, I think it's not important. I think it comes down the beach like Westie. I know, I guess South to know like from the city out towards Montau. I know the day I played there.

It was coming out of the east, which was the opposite wind. So 10 was directly into the wind. Nine was directly into the wind. It was hardest shit. Okay. This is even harder than normal. To your point, it was a completely opposite wind on Sunday. And it was dry. It was a dry wind, which would make sense coming from the Southwest, right? opposite of the Southwest. Or a dry wind would would would would come from the West or the North Northwest,. North or west, I think maybe. Yeah.

I win. I'm sure people correct us in the mentioned wind Twitter is going to be in your ass. Um, okay, so let's let's play. Let's play a guessing game. 66 people. Cartered scores in the final round. Final round, US Open 66 players. How many

scores were 80 or higher? 22. 19. 30. 25 was the number of ahead. Well, if we're going prices right, DJ wins, but Neil is closer. There were 28 scores of of 80 or worse on a par 70 on a par 70 Are highest on the day is Billy Mayfair who shot in 89 and that's only the ones he counted That is what was with somebody recently was doing a fake commentary on Billy Mayfair there they said oh

Mayfair hits a great shot to eight feet and he converts to six footer for birdies. That made me laugh really hard. So Billy, Billy shot an 89 on Sunday, one worse than Bogey golf. It finishes the week at 30 over par. I think that's one of the things that always sticks with me about Shinnecock is it's not a bunch of triples and quads. It's just bogey bogey bogey double bogey double getting hit many many times in the head with a hammer. Amateur Shay Rive, Ches Rivi, Sean 88. He was second worst in the... He got right back up.

He got right back up. Oklahoma drill. He got pay. Back on the line. Get up, Brevy. Get up. This is the first time. This is the first 15 minutes of Rudy. Oh, sure. This was before any sort of concussion protocols that didn't

act. Boy, do you want to be here? Take a soul towel with Jess. Get back up. He's in the steel mill at this point in the movie. My boy's playing the US outfit. Oh, I'm done. Maybe I'll put for you coach.

Maybe my favorite, Ernie L. Shout out to Final Round 80 and still finished tied for 9th. Wow. Okay, so the scoring average. 78.7. Okay, so the scoring average, 78.7, oh my God, which was fractionally less than I believe the 92 Pebble Beach, US Open for the highest final round scoring average in the US Open. I don't know if that's been part 72 probably. Yes, yes, 71 I think that year, but yes, and I'm not sure if the 92 Pebble Beach still stands as the highest find

You know, I don't know if wing foot or or another us open since 2004 has Maybe oakmont or wing foot would be the two that come to mind. I can't think of anything else. I would be to that that bad So just a couple other stats Players hit less than half the fairways so the combined total driving accuracy was less than half on Sunday. They hit about a third of the greens in regulation, combined as a whole group.

And what, and for, I'm sorry. That's Mark. Fairways is in 60s normally. At least, but I mean, yeah, we're literally talking about one of the best fields in golf Yeah, not any less than half and less than the third of the greens It and I have to correct myself it wasn't the 92 Pebble Beach open. It was actually the 1972

72 Pebble Beach who has opened my folder so I think the most iconic scene you guys touched on earlier is the seventh green Right the par three seventh hole the redan it is a red and that's that's exactly right it so on Sunday I would like me to point out he made it to you you looked at me and said to so I assume that's what you mean and then he looked at me to see it was twinkle on his eye to see if I saw that well then this was good was it a two for one probably probably where was the flag that day you played on this, it was like a pro amp. It was right in the middle. Okay. So again, I don't have a great pro amp or a rider cup.

Be the one. Did you use the kicker? It doesn't really. The kicker didn't really need to. So you guys helped me. The pin was placed by all accounts kind of front right. And the whole redan slopes like front right to back left. Meaning there's like no way

to stop the ball once it is like on the green and rolling. It's just going to keep rolling come up short and roll back to you or roll away for or back off the green. Does that make sense? I haven't played the okay. It basically is like Max's eagle putt in strapped basically like how you would have to make a putt. So of of 66 guys just on the whole seven specifically, there was one birdie all day. Anybody like to hazard a guess? One birdie. Reteaf. We said his name already. Shaz. It was. It was. It was. Chaz. Yeah. That's awesome. No quid in that guy way. There were 27 bars, 30 bogies, five doubles and three others. And what's crazy, the number seven only played as the fourth most difficult

hole on that Sunday. When I was out there, what was it two years ago when they had the US open there? I was there Saturday. And I stood at that next that T box for I think I watched six or seven groups come through and they were all just they all just seemed so stressed out on that shot like Tyrell Hatton came through and changed clubs like four times and just with this caddy was like he just you know stressed. So fun fun place to watch guys getting their process. So just one more thing and I want to get in some quotes.

So Sunday, Kevin Stadler and JJ Henry are the first group out that day. The Purple Mamba and the Little Walrus. They both make sixes on number seven. So they're the first group of the day, first ones through number seven. They both put it into the bunker. We'll get to some of their quotes in just a second. The next group through is Billy Mayfair and I believe Cliff Cresky. I believe Cliff makes a six. Another triple bogey in Mayfair gets out of there with a bogey. So the first two groups combine four guys are 10 over par on number seven and that's when the USGA says we have a problem

They get in and that's where the fun starts Randy you strike me as someone who would use the term syringe Yes, we're gonna get to the syringes. So to set the stage. I found this from Kurt triplet He told this this is via Damon Hack in the New York Times from back in 2004. Kurt Triplet said, quote, tomorrow I'm aiming for the bunker. It wouldn't hurt them to sprinkle it a little. And this is triple it. It apparently was tired of watching his ball skim across the green, like a rock across

Pachonic Bay. Those are, those are Damon Hackswards. Lee Jansen, two-time US Open Champion, explains Chinacoch's devilish seventh hole. If you designed 18 greens like that, nobody would come play your course. Scott Hamilton, a writer for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, said, quote, fans gathered around the seventh hole Sunday, like Hyene is anxiously awaiting dinner. He said at times they were chanting hey, hey, goodbye as balls would hit the green and roll off the back. These are your people in New York.

Hey, come on. He said at one time fans booed the whole itself when what they thought was a good shot in the whole. They just started booing the whole. thought was a good shot in the hole. They just started booing the hole. It's complete madness, which has to speak to your sensibilities and what you love to watch. Was this when you fell in love? Exactly.

I want to say all this where I couldn't be more in on this. Rex Hoggert. So Rex Hoggert sat down with Kevin Stadler and JJ Henry a couple years ago when the US open was going back to Chinatown in 2018, he wrote a piece on golfchannel.com and Stadler said as he was showing up to the course on Sunday morning, quote, there were caddies throwing balls down on the practice screen that were bouncing over their head to see that so firm I couldn't comprehend it. So it's just from them throat. So caddies were like on the practice screen, kind

of getting right. And they were just bouncing golf balls and they were coming up over there at Wimbledon, like concrete. Yeah. Um, Stadler would say about his, about his experience, experience on the seventh hole, quote, I had two feet for par and ended up with a six. That is so cool. He had a two footer that he missed and it just kept going into the bunker. I can't imagine playing seven and then you're like, all right, I'm done with that one. And then you got to go play nine, 10, 11, even the most recent so even the most reason one there, I'm with you, Randy, it's fun to watch. He's got struggle once a year, it's once a year.

Once a year. Yeah, everybody knows what they're getting into. Exactly. It sounds like the USGA, I mean, I know there were mixed reviews and when they rolled out kind of the marketing campaign and all that stuff, but it sounded like they heard a lot of that feedback and we're like, no, you know what, we're gonna lean into making this

the most brutal test in golf every year, which is awesome. I'm very excited about that. I would argue that when it gets to this point, it's no longer a test. It's just like, when you've taken, it's a different kind of test. When you've taken skill out of it,

which is kind of what I think has happened. When you search for a limit, sometimes you find it. That's gonna happen though. So, Sadler goes on to say it would have been a hundred percent unplayable if they hadn't started watering. It would have been impossible. And this is when they started trying to syringe the greens, which I guess means like injecting water, like sub-training, like into the ground. I picture it like a doctor coming in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boom.

Yeah. To which Mark Calcovecchio was coated as saying, I don't even think the water began to seep into the ground. I think it just kind of beads up on the surface and rolls off like a wax car. Ha, ha, ha. Some more seventh hole fun. This is back to Damon Hacks piece in the New York Times.

Ernie L's is quoted as saying, the seventh hole is unplayable. The majority of the field is going to make four there. It's ridiculous. The green has to be a little bit receptive. The green slopes right to left away from you and where they put the flag, you had no chance. They didn't quite set it up the way the hole was designed.

Is this the year that Phil deliberately hit in the bunker and like strategized for that? I don't know. Okay, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So fun fact, my buddy at the time, or still my still good buddy, Brett Lang,

he was the first alternate for you as open that year. Like, if you're I can do ball, we're supposed to withdraw and play it in forever. He's sitting on the range. Oh, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday watching this and then he stayed up there to watch some of it. And I still remember talking to him about it and he's like, dude, this is the kind of shit

I would have thrived on. Because it, because it, because it throughout all the, a lot of the skill. Yeah. Well, so I Not pushback. I agree with what you say, but It seems like in all these that will wind up talking about The best players still wins like They're all playing the same course

He was yeah, he was a man. All playing the same course. He was bay two words like all these greens are ridiculous Well, maybe not the first group. Look at the guys who were up top. Not even that, though, but like so you can all play the same course and it not be a great test of your skill. That's the point. That's what I agree with, but I still it seems like far more often than not like the best player still.

Or maybe it's just a different. It's a test of different skills. Yeah. Yeah. Overall, yeah, it's still a huge test of skill, but like something like this whole is just like, okay, this is just, this is Russian roulette. You might make four, you might make seven,

like depending on which way your ball rolls. Well, and that's a good point because there was some controversy around when they actually watered the seventh green also. Steve Flesh, who this was his best career US Open Finish, he finished five for seventh, who is in fact from we can confirm it is from Northern Kentucky, said quote, they decided they were going to water between groups. So we get to the seventh T and the group in front puts out and they aren't syringing the green.

They are like, go ahead and hit and we're like, no no we're waiting. This is all his quoting the official then says we're watering between every other group. Chris Demarco who is playing with said he wasn't going to hit until they syringe and the official said well we're going to penalize you for slow play if you don't. Demarco, what if guy, man? What if they would have watered before his group? This is a classic, like, not one single chance would they have done that to tag that. Not one. Well, it's interesting. Michelson's quoted as saying, and I, he said, quote, I know that their basis was once somebody four or five putted, they were, they watered the green. And so it was really important that the group in front of you four or five putt,

and then you had a chance, but that didn't happen. We were the group that four or five putt it, and then they watered for the guys behind us. That was nice. Which I think that must have been sad, because I can't figure out who would have been playing behind Michelson on Sunday. So that might have even been from Saturday.

Complete sweepstakes going on on the seventh of. Maggert shines back in. Complete sweeps, thanks. Come on on the seventh. Magert shines back in. I thought it was ridiculous. I was waiting for the water. Was Phil in the last group on Saturday? Because. I thought he and Gusson played together. Okay, but maybe not.

I mean, maybe not. He and Ernie were tied going into the last round. I don't know who was in the last group. Well, then that would maybe that makes sense. And I didn't look into that aspect of it. Maggert went as far as to ask some USGA officials if the green was going to be watered presumably before he was set to tee off. And this is Maggert saying, quote, they said, we water it when we feel like it.

Like that can't be true. Walter Davis of the USGA championship committee kind of summed up what the players were facing. This Mike's dad. Honestly, I don't know. He's like, quote, they were putting down wind downhill, down grain down world. Very difficult to stop those spots. This is better than I even remember it. So that's that was the seventh hole. Just a couple of quotes. As you can imagine, guys would come in, sign for their score, and they were not happy with the overall conditioning of the course. Jay Haas again said, they, the membership one, if won't have any greens to put on for a while. Jerry Kelly was fired up. He was quoted in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

is saying, when are they gonna grow ahead, presumably meaning the USDA, get off your high horse and be good to the game. I mean, it's an ego contest. If they were smart, they'd realize they look really stupid. They're not respecting the game. They're not respecting this golf course. Why would you do this to the golf course?

They're making the course look bad. I don't get it. Why would you do that? And yet here we are. 16 years later, talking about how memorable it was. So this was also going back to our Tiger podcast. This was two years after the Beth Page incident, where they set up that one whole work.

A bunch of the guys couldn't get to the fairway, so they're trying to hit the walkway of the Fescue. I will say Sunday, we're reaching like peak USGA hate here. The fever pitches bubbling. Six years after Olympic club. Exactly. The 18th green on, what was that Friday? Goosen and Mikkelson both part number seven on Sunday.

There you go. There you go. How about that? I bet he did play to the bunker then maybe. Yeah. Bowen's told the story on the pod. I'm pretty sure it was Shinakok that they purposely hit into the bunker because the green was so bad.

You might wonder the goat tiger he chimed in after his round quote, I think they lost control of the golf course. That's obvious. It's terrible. It's couldn't get you water. It's green. Our national championship. And they lost control of the golf course.

Which if I could go back on my, what I said earlier, if there was like a play into the bunker to get up and down, like that's, that it, just because a whole doesn't play traditionally how you would expect it to play golf, that is really interesting, I think. Like who says you should, like I know that this, like who says you should be able to hit the green on a part three? Like the goal is just getting in the hole.

If there's a play into the bunker and that's like the right play, which I don't remember how it played, but apparently that was the play. It seems like the best guy's figured out. That's right. Well, this is Cliff Krasky. This is via ESPN.com to David Kraft.

Quote, do you guys like us looking like a bunch of idiots out there? Yeah. It's not fun to hit a ball and watch it go back to your feet. I don't know how much people enjoy this. And I want to say Cliff, I'm- Welcome to the party pal. Same with the 10th hole.

Cliff, I am a little bit short into that green. Oh, yeah, that's fun. I remember when I played the 11th hole, I turned to the caddy. I was like, do you have seen this hole on TV and everything? But like, how much room do I have over that ridging? Is like, that's the green dude, there's no more. Like, there's no more green behind the green. What are you mean?

I'm already pulled over. I can't pull over already, Father. I'll wrap this all up. This is, this puts a little bow on it for me. This is the purple mamba, JJ Henry via Rex Hoggards Golf Channel.com. Peace. Henry quote, I can remember Tom Meeks coming up to us

in the scoring trailer and saying how sorry he was, saying, quote, unfortunately we lost the golf course. Basically, this is Henry now, basically, really sorry you guys had to play through some of those conditions. However, Meeks declined a comment about the O4 championship, telling GolfChannel.com, quote, I have nothing but fond memories of Chinacock Hills and wish them nothing but the best.

And you know what Tom, me too, nothing but fond memories. I remember we went up for the media day for that US Open. Mike Davis takes the mic and he's like, he's like, you know, last time we were here, you know, if you were to give us a score, it would probably be a double bogey. And that's with equitable stroke control. Yeah. So Tom Meeks was the guy before my date.

It's not at the best show, but he just eats giant. Yeah. So Meeks was the one that got detonated for Olympic. The Beth Page. Yeah. I reached out to a couple players last night asking for their memories of best carnage and that name came up more than one time. Yeah.

He was a bad dude in like the best way. Randy, that was absolutely exceptional. Anything else to add? That's it. The only thing I'll say, there was a lot. There was some controversy. I think the USGA at one point seemingly tried to throw the maintenance crew under the bus by accidentally mowing

and there was this back and forth between like who's really at fault here. And I think Mike Davis set the record straight a couple of years ago when he was like, like there just was no water. We didn't water it. There was no water. There was a drought.

Anything else you looked at besides doing this one, any other? You know what I looked at was the 1998 US Women's Open, which say, we pock won at 6 over. There was this big thing about, I think it was like Meg Mallen, Nancy Lopez, and some other person were literally waving white towels while you know the 18th way in like surrender to the course because it was so difficult. But I couldn't find enough like good quotes or anecdotes. Well that was A plus, Randy.

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of all time. So of course, we're going to be talking about then the web.com tours, great Exuma classic in 2017. But before we do, a quick and a moose bush, because the great Exuma classic broke a lot of records from the 1991 South Texas Open. And that was mentioned a couple times, and a lot of people, myself included, TC included, have said what the hell is the deal

with the South Texas Open. So we dove into that one just a bit. And to set the table there, this was March 3rd, 1991. Randomly the same day as the Rodney King thing, which I researched as I was trying to find a what day of the week it was, but it was a Sunday. It was in, I forget the name of the town, right across the bay from Corpus Christi, Texas.

Or to Ranzis. What did you say? Port Ranzis. No, it starts with a P though. Portland, it was Portland, Texas. And I think it was a total win switch situation. It was pretty hard all week and actually looking at the aerials of this golf course,

North Shore Country Club, not the one in just that such a cargo. But the other one, it was, it looks a lot like the Bahamas course. And it looks like one of those places where there's a bunch of holes, kind of almost like Pebble Beach, where you get a bunch of holes in a row right on the water. So if you get a crazy crosswind,

like people are just gonna struggle, and that's going to be... You're gonna have a bad time. You're gonna have a bad time. And so that's a precursor to what we will see down in the Great Exumas in the Bahamas as well. But I had to dig way back into the Corpus Christi. What tour are we on?

This is the Nike tour. The Nike tour. Yeah, okay. I had to dig way back into the former Corpus Christi weather reports? This is the Nike tour. The Nike tour. Yeah. Had to dig way back into the former Corpus Christi weather reports from 1991 to try to track down what the hell's going on. You're in the farmers' alma mater. I think it was weather underground actually.

Had all the archival data. So shout out to them. Day one mid 80s, 13-mountain hour winds from the west. Day two, standard Texas low 90s, 20-mountain hour winds from the west day three. It was high 50s when they teed off wind gusting 30 to 40 miles an hour from the north. Things just totally switched. It was a 54-hole event and honestly I tried to dig into the local newspapers.

All the players are outside my rolladex. It was a much older crop of players. I couldn't really figure out much of what was going on there, which just wasn't much coverage of it, unfortunately. But to paint the picture, Roger Salazar won the event at three over par with a final round 79. Couple other finishers, Ed Fiori, the gripper, the grip, you know, 71, 79, 79 to finish in the top 20. Paul Goedos, 73, 81, 81. Tom Layman, 68, 84, 77.

So it wasn't just Sunday, it was pretty hard. Back to back 80s from pros. It's unbelievable. How about Tom Layman having an 84 on the card and finishing in the top 20? And making the cut. He makes, he does make the cut, right? It was pre-cut and I'm, or no, no, no, sorry.

There was a cut because that was the big record that they broke was it was the highest cut in the history of then the Nike tour, formerly the Hogan tour and buy.com. Sorry, was it a 54-hole event scheduled as that or was the last round canceled because of weather. Believe it. That's a great question, but I believe that it was a scheduled 54-hole-hole event because it's still finished on Sunday. Okay. So unless one of the other ones got wiped out, which I is possible, but I couldn't find. But the cut line was 10 over par. Ha, ha, ha.

Anybody a 10 over made it through and we'll get to that record being broken in the Bahamas a couple years ago. But just a couple quick stats there. The scorecards always get broken out on like all the archives that we dig into, into like Eagles, Birdies, Pars, Bogies, Double Bogies and others,

which is presumably triple bogies or worse. There were 109 others, 109 triples or worse by a few in 54 holes. Essentially, so for every one triple, there were only six birdies, which is pretty nuts to think about for the third best tour in the world. The par 4th whole was where a lot of the carnage happened.

It had for the entire week 11 birdies by the entire field and 11 triples are worse. And also had more bogeys than par's. So anyways, that's the South Texas Open. That all paved the way for the 2017 Bahamas great Exuma classic. Of course, this is taking place at Michael Scott's favorite golf course, the Sandals Emerald Bay in great Exuma.

The course famously designed by Greg Norman, seemingly for the purposes of just emasculating men during their honeymoon. Golf Advisors says the golf course has six signature holes, which TCI would posit to you if you have six signature holes. Do you have one or you got a really long signature or you have long as signature. You got the Gary players signature. But same is same as what we saw at North Shore Country Club. Just there's a peninsula out of land out here, which when you look at the Google Earth view, it looked like they were trying to sell a bunch of houses there. It doesn't look like there's really any houses going on there, which I thought was interesting.

There's a lot of cul-de-sacs with like no houses and the golf holes just kind of wrap around. Is this the one where they had fire fest? It is. That was unexamined as well. So first of all, we'll get into the nitty-gritty, but first of all, shout out to Kyle. So there's a stretch of holes out on like, just an exposed peninsula. Exactly. And so it's the holes kind of, there's probably three or four holes out there that just

wrap around the outskirts of this peninsula. And so Kyle Thompson won the event. He was the only player under par, 200 par for the week. Congratulations to him. What a grinder. Yeah, he was also six over through his first six holes that week. So Thursday was the day that things were just,

I'm sorry, it was a Sunday, because I think it was a Sunday to Wednesday event. But round one was the day that everything was just biblical. This was one of the first event, I think this was the first event they did this Sunday to win something. I think you're right. Which was sweet.

So a lot of this was occurring on Sunday and Monday. Yeah. Like, it's like the only golf on on Monday. It was absolutely awesome. I vaguely remember this. Yeah. So Kyle Thompson was six over through his first six and shot 76 in the final round,

which was actually far better than the field average, which was any guesses. 79. What are we working with? Part 72? I believe part 72. 78 and a half. 81 and a half was the whole.

Field average. Winds were north of 40 miles an hour and a mega crosswind out on that peninsula. So picture, kind of, basically holds running back to back and you've got a 40 mile an hour crosswind whipping across this peninsula. So off the water. I believe it was a video. Yeah, you really sent the water for some holes, but it was a peninsula. So yeah, you know, but what was really hard about that too was it was basically with all the housing and stuff.

It was OB up the let's call let's say if the water's on the left, the OB would be up the right. And the wind was so drastic that you had to on on a lot of holes, according to a lot of players who reached out, you had to basically decide, okay, if I'm going to lose this, do I want to lose it in the OB or do I want to lose it in the water? It's kind of like the lefty challenge. And if I'm going to lose it in the water, I need to cover some land because a lot of these things like the T-boxes are stuck out almost on their own little peninsula is. So if you hit it, if you get one like left over the water and it doesn't come back,

like it's basically an OB ball and you're reteeing because you're shooting a ladder. You're trying to advance water. Exactly. And that was what that there were so many Cavalier drops. That's what Adam Adam long went on to explain that where you're just really desperately trying to, like you're probably gonna hit it in the water, so you just gotta make sure you cover the land some gaisy. Can I hit a massive cut?

So exactly. Yeah, because he's like, I believe his quote was reteeing as a death sentence. Because anything, it could just get far worse from there. So, a couple more stats. Kyle Thompson, so think about all this with putting, think of this, folks. No three puts for the week. Which is unbelievable. Wow.

First time in a 72-hole web.com tour event that the leader was not under par after 54 holes. So you shot 200. You got to remember this was pre-live under par. This was pre-live under par. Great, great point. eventual tour winners Corey Connors and Nate Lashley, both shot 79 in the first round and still finished T5, both of them. The cut would go on to be 11 over, which, of course, would replace the 1991 South Texas open as the highest cut in tour history.

I remember there was a guy, I can't remember his name now. He's still bouncing around on Web and Latin America and you're probably gonna get to him. He shot like 90, you read my mind. Greg Easton was a name. And this is said with no disrespect to Greg Easton. Cause he had had some good results prior to this. He absolutely did.

And I think he followed, like he had just like an out of body stretch where he like couldn't break 90. And then he like weirdly shot 67 one day. And I remember everybody on the tour was really pumped for him. But it did get his dick knocked in the next week. Exactly. Because it was really hard. It was really windy and hard the following week at Abaco.

So this was the first time in web tour history that more than one person shot in the 90s. There was three of them. Well, three different people. I believe four total rounds in the 90s. Greg Easton, Brian Smith and Brian Bigley. So the first two rounds had three rounds in the 60s and five rounds in the 90s.

That is, that is awesome. Legimally, that's awesome. Let me repeat that. On the web.com tour, often referred to as the wedge.com tour back in the day. Three rounds total in the 60s and two rounds and five rounds in the 90s. That is unbelievable.

Tommy Gaini had an interview afterwards. I think he went like 84, 86 or something like that or 81, 84 about the pure stupidity of playing. That interview has since been scrubbed. I spent way too much time trying to find it. TC, I know this is one of the things that you have loved and kept alive each year where they returned to the Bahamas. Live scoring was a complete shit show. Like it was gonna be a shit show anyway because a lot of these guys didn't play golf.

And then, Bahamian volunteers were, they had no idea what not only strokes. Well, versed in how the penalty strokes worked or anything like that. Oh my goodness. And so it was a lot of like oh my god these conditions look insane Let me see like how my buddies are playing and I remember specifically they had Luke Guthrie up there at like four under through like seven It's like that's unbelievable. This is gonna be the greatest round ever and then the broadcasters or the live scoring would eventually like true up.

And actually they did it with the TV a lot where they had, I forget who it was, they had someone on TV, they had them listed as like 600. And I've turned it on, I was like this is gonna be the most amazing round ever played. And they just like had to casually brush past it. Like every time, yeah.

Unfortunately there was a scoring collection, he's actually 11 over it. And so that happened constantly for like four days. Well, I think some of the some of the walking scores I think thought like they didn't know practice swings. We're allowed. I swear to God, this is one of the reasons. And so they would count every time a guy would make a practice.

Oh, yeah. Can you imagine them talking amongst each other? Like, man, I love these guys are supposed to be good. So I've heard exactly. I keep missing them all. It was talking to Guthrie about it. He was saying, you know, like, yeah, I was hitting, you know, I hit 125, you're four iron at one point.

Oh yeah, we'll get to some of the specifics on that too. Although on the Guthrie front, I remember him and his wife, Caitlin, I think it just got married, like the Christmas prior, like late in 2016, and they weren't going on a honeymoon right away. So they were like, oh, we'll both go to the Bahamas. Caitlin was a college golfer. Like Caitlin Yulkatti, it'd be like really fun

to be kind of like a relaxing trip. And that was her first round, Cadi for Luke was this historically biblical round. So I can't imagine like when you play in the wind, the constant companion in your ears of just the wind blowing. Yeah, and you just can't find anywhere quiet. Oh, man. Anybody run out of golf balls?

We'll get there in a second too. The par 412th hole had the highest scoring average of any hole in the history of the tour. It was a par 4. It was stroke average of 5.008. So over a stroke over over a stroke above par it averaged to 5.4 in the opening round. So almost a stroke and a half over par. The 13th hole, the par 3 was set up at 88 yards. I tweeted a video earlier today of Tim Madigan hitting an eight iron from 88 yards to 12 feet. It was the cool shot. I've seen in years. It was amazing. Adam Long explained the 11th hole,

the par three, which was 150 yards. I believe it was the 11th, but apologies if I'm wrong. It's technically like an island par three. He said it's so big that he was playing a practice round with somebody and they didn't even realize it was an island because it's just massive. And then you showed up on Thursday and you thought there was absolutely no way you could possibly hit the green. And this is his, his quote on how he played this whole. This is a big shout out to Phil and number seven at Chinatown as well. You had to favor the ocean side of the green

because on the left, so the ocean was to the right. The left was a death bunker and bushes which brought in a massive number into play. So I figured I would just take my drop up near the green and play for Bogey. I think I hit it right in the water three times semi on purpose. And he finished like 30th or something like that. Yeah, so three times in the

water on a 150 yard par three. That's how serious this was. A couple other players weighed in on Twitter when I started tweeting about this event. Kent Bull shot 67 in the final era in the second round and called it quote, the greatest round of his life. Vince Covello, another Jack's native friend of the program, said he was in the fourth group out in the morning on Thursday. And it took seven and a half hours to play the route. Oh my God. The best part is this is the first tournament of the year. He's exactly.

So they're all pumped to get out there. They've been working on their games for four or five months. And Vince said, if you were there, you will literally never forget this event. Ken Luper got in the DMs after I tweeted the video of his hat blowing off. It's an excellent video. You see the water just whipping these players in the face. Flag six are flying all over the place. And Ken Luper is trying to hit this like six foot put and his hat just goes flying and

he's got to run after it. He said that his first day scorecard, how he started the tournament was eight, two, seven, three, four. This was how he started. And I believe on, I forget which hole it was, but the one where he's putting in the video, he said he back-footed a seven iron

and rolled the ball onto the green from 75 yards with a seven iron and that was the putt that he was trying to make, which was for par. And he said, I was so pumped I hit it there and then he went on to make the putt. So possibly the most unbelievable stat which I'll close with and pass it on to my associate, Tron. It does come from poor Greg Eason, who went 91, 95 in the first two rounds. You make the cut? He did not know, he's just outside the cut line. He claims that he started the week with 36 golf balls

and lost 32 of them. Oh my. In two rounds. In two rounds, lost 32 golf balls. Oh, what? That's how hard it was. Well, this doesn't count the guys that missed the cut. So unless somebody shot, you know, super low,

first round, Steven Yeager, 71, first round leader, shot 82, make the cut on the number, looks like. So almost the mega Camilo. Yeah. And then fold that up with another 80 and a 78. So, I mean, that's... It's just it's really heady stuff. And golf channel honestly needs to devote a night to it or a week to it or something. But as Job said, Job Ficket said on Twitter too, if you what a great break that this was televised. Otherwise, it would have been lost to the sands of time.

But it's the fact that this exists. Go back on Cornfairy Tour did a great job of tweeting a bunch of highlights and stuff that are all still up. So if you're looking for more material, go check that out. I'd like to say good on the tournament directors for continuing play. Exactly, much to Tom McGainy's Shagrim. Tom Gainey then would go on to win the event,

uh, three years later after his, um, inspiring comeback from the prostitution. He's been through a lot. Yeah. Full circle. Well, Dej, that was excellent. That brings me to one that, you know, I wanted to reach out to some of the participants. Uh, I couldn't, Couldn't find anybody that was willing to go on record about it. That's of course the 1901 year. You guys are like, my- I still don't know comments. Yeah, exactly.

Myopia Hunt Club in South Hamilton, Massachusetts. Place close to your heart. Yeah, I'm only putting it there once. I'm only putting it there once. And actually the- You used to do more fox hunting there, right? Yeah, and in Randy's funny, you mentioned that. Instead of live hunts, they do what's called a drag hunt, which they drag a scent around

the property and then you have to, you know, I'm not sure what the deal is or why, but anyway, neither here nor there. The pro loves to come out and say, yeah, it's just the highest score in the history, the highest winning score in the history of US Open. So that's what kind of led me to it. But as I went down the rabbit hole of, they hosted the US Open in 1901, also hosted it in 1905,

just this whole, I feel like they're due for another one. Kind of period, yeah. You know, it was only 6100 yards when they played it in 1901. I think it's up to 6,500 now. Little bit about myopia. Mr. Leeds. Harvard man, Ivy Leeds man.

Oh. Mm-hmm. Was he on the grid iron? Mm-hmm. I believe, let's see here, Leeds was. All right, so Mr. Leeds, graduation of Harvard, weeds was. All right, so Mr. Leeds, graduation of Harvard, where in addition to graduating,

or completing his Bachelor of Arts in 1877, he played baseball. Yeah, so I'm sure I'll see him at the University Club, up in the big city one day. So he kind of ruled with an iron fist around there for 30, 35 years. 1901, we're still relatively in the, most of the golf pros coming over are Scottish.

They're also club makers and club pros, basically. So, pros, pros, pros, pros as well. For sure, for sure. So, actually 1898, myopia had their first US open, but they only had nine holes at the time. So they just played nine holes over and over and over again. I would have sat that one out. Randy's proper 18 holes only.

So then moving on to 1901, so they had the 1900 US Open at Chicago Golf Club, Harry Vardin wins, they go to myopia in 1901, myopia up to 18 holes. They played 36 a day. So I believe this one they played on Thursday and Friday. There was a playoff, but they couldn't play the playoff till Monday, because Saturday and Sunday were members days. And yeah, that sounds about right. Is this one of those courses where the country

could, they slow it down, slow the greens down for the tournaments, because the members play it faster. When it's a cop place where you can always show that you're a player's club for sure. Yeah, so that's definitely something to consider here. But yeah, 1901, the winning score, 331. How many rounds did they play? What's the fifth on that? It's an average of about 82.75.

82.75. Highest score on a hole in US Open History. So we made it 24 on the fourth hole. Which is, it's like a 400 yard par floor. It's not easy or anything like that. I bet I could get it down in the 20. But digging more and more into it, Willie Anderson, very illustrious player in his own right. He had won the US Open.

This was the first of four US Open victories. Scottish guy from North Barric came over, believe he was the head pro at Apple Wamous around Westchester area in New York. Only lived to the age of 31. Actually, you know, differing accounts here. Some people said he had epilepsy. Others said he just drank himself to death.

First ballot Hall of Famer went into the initial hall of famed class. Really? Yeah, which DG, I know you're a big hall of famed guy. Sounds like he's, I find with the hall of famed just not their website. He won. He posthumously awarded eight major champion. He won four Western opens, which was big time.

He was the first club pro, or he was a club pro at Miss Klamikit. He'd never played in a competition before he got to America in 1897. So... How was it that you met me? Where the deep dive? I think so. So anyway, so he's playing Willie Smith, another Scott, another interesting Scott.

Willie Smith was the runner up at 328 in 1898 by seven shots. So, you know, he had a track record coming in. He was a dog. They go to a playoff after, so Smith is up. Smith has a five shot lead after the 13th hole on the last round. It's five shot lead. That's the most dangerous leading goal.

No doubt. He makes a seven after getting bunkered on 15, lost another shot on 17 and then had a one shot lead going in 18. Anderson made par while Smith made double. So they come back out on Monday for the playoff. Anderson has the superintendent and club pro who was playing in the competition during the regular competition. He hires him to be his caddy.

That, I love that. Is it illegal? Yeah, you know what? If you don't like it, you put it in the room. It was the loophole. He gave him a ton of credits, said John Jones was his name. He said, you know, great amount of local knowledge,

probably couldn't have done it without him. But the, in the playoff, Smith, Smith misses a three footer on 18. After Anderson makes a five footer. And so Smith has this to tie the playoff and keep it going. Anderson makes a putt, Smith misses it. And that's it, that's all she wrote. So a couple other tidbits I found.

You obviously couldn't find a whole lot of quotes. Not a whole lot of people. Not a whole lot of people. This was Alex Smithyby. Alex Smith, yeah. So. That's what he broke his leg. Oh. Good timing.

Good timing is on right actually. Maybe the Thomas break for an Alex Smith since. Oh. Yes, you had Laurie Octolone, which, you know, if you've been to St. Andrews, Octolone, there's the shop there, that family, another guy who was in the field, guy that we're very familiar with, David Brown.

He's a Rufus. He's a Rufus. He's a Rufus. Give me the Rufus. So it seems that he transitioned, shout out to KB, transitioned from being a Rufus on the heels of his open championship, started playing a lot more, the heels of his open championship started

playing a lot more and started taking his talents across the pond in 1900. Do you want to explain the rougher thing? When we're at Muscleboro, right? Yeah. The story was very excited to talk about, what was it, David? David Brown. David Brown was going to say David Brown was like, that's the web.com. Turns out it's called later found by the web.com.

But yeah, they needed another person for the open at Muscleboro, right? 1886 Open Champion. He was a ruffer. He was literally on the roof. He was a ruffer. He was a ruffer. He put him in the bath.

He went out and washed him up. He washed him up. He gave him a nice clean clothes. He went in the open. So go back and watch season two of Taurusos, I want to go to muscle burrow. Another couple interesting things about Anderson, he sounded like he was the original ball striker's favorite ball striker.

One titles with both the gutta perch and the rubber core ball, Meg get interlock grip guy, Like he would interlock two fingers. Oh, really? Not just one. He carried eight clubs, huge mashy guy, and illustrious with his brassy, unrecovered shots. Not a nibbic guy though. Allegedly not, you know, I didn't see anything

about the nibbic. Two more interesting tidbits. One about Willis, or about Alex Smith. He was the assistant, or he was the head pro at Westchester Country Club and then his brother, Willie Smith, who won the US Open in 1899 at Baltimore Country Club, started designing club de golf to Poltopec. It was actually injured in the building

of one of the original courses down there during the Mexican Revolution, and then died four or five years later of pneumonia and Alex Smith went down and finished golf club, Dage Polter Pack down there. TPC, Pultefec. Side of some carnage in its own right. But yeah, Anderson also played off his left foot. I could have been like the original stack and tilt guy as well.

So low to the last thing from myopia was none of the pros were allowed in the clubhouse, which Anderson was pissed about. That sounds about right. So. Did myopia host after that? Oh, you said 1905, too? They did. Yeah, and actually, so. I think they're out of the road now. Yeah. So Anderson actually wins. Players unionized. And, so Anderson actually wins. Players unionized. And... Better player dining.

Which it's such a fun course. It's like one of my favorites I've ever played. There's so much wacky holes. The first hole is this blind uphill, short four. It's wild. But yeah, Anderson won 1901, 1903, 1904, and 1905. 1905. 1905 was back at myopia.

He beat Alex Smith by one shot. Alex Smith had a big lead going into 36-hole leader and 54-hole leader, I believe, and then. Alex Smith sounds like a complete choke artist. What? You know what we call that, it's a tough break. Smith did end up winning. VG, people caught that with the first time.

Many people could have said Smith was kind of like Ricky. In his early days, second place in 98, seventh place in 99, second place in 0-1, fourth place in 0-3, second place in 0-5, but one in 19-06, so maybe there's hope for Ricky and then a couple of thirds, 19-08, 19-08. Well, it's like one by seven strokes in 0-6. Yeah, 19-06. It just broke through. Broke through by seven strokes in 06? Yeah, 19.

So that's what I just break through. Broke through. So I want you to ask Ricky, but have you studied the career of Alex Smith? And interestingly enough, in 1906, his brother, Willie, runs it up. What about that? Thank you, TC.

That's good stuff. Yeah. And not a whole lot about the carnage. I mean, I just kind of assumed like it was fucking hard. Well, I would sign up for another 331 winning us. Yeah. That's where. All right, I'm up next. We are going to go just down the street for the next one. Players championship near and dear to our hearts in Pontavigia. It's not always been a TPC at the stadium course at TPC. For a five year period, it was held at Saul Grass Country Club

on both the East and West courses. Was it one day or two day of it? It was. The site. It's just been a history with the fusion on that. At that time. The US Amateur withdrawal of one Chris Salman last year after not knowing the two day event.

It was not because the course was too difficult. You will see, we were going to run into quite a few withdrawals for different reasons than I had to withdraw. So the players championship was a brief history for those that don't know. It was created as supposed to be this big marquee event for the PGA tour, but it moved around for the first three years. It went to Atlanta Country Club, and then it went to Colonial for a year, and then went

to, for the third year, it went to someone Florida in Varrere went to for the third year it went to someone Florida in Vary. I think it was with the name of it. Struggle to pronounce that one. So. So. And then it moved somewhat permanently to Sawgrass Country Club. This is a golf course that's I by Ed Say. I believe is how you pronounce it. Correct. Partner of Arnold Palmer.

Partner of Arnold Palmer. And our, and our hitter emeritus. Harrison, Harrison, so. the partner of Arnold Palmer, Arnold Palmer and our and our hitter emeritus. Harrison mentioned. So Venturemania. It uh, we're going to mostly focus on the 1979 players championship when things really came to a head, but I want to first cover the first two years there, first one being 1977.

Both of the first two years in 77 and 78 plus one won the championship. Mark Hayes won it in year one and Jack Nicholas won it in year two. Dan Jenkins had the following to say in 1977 about the players championship. The championship has a bruised and battered past from the beginning. It claimed major status and sinuating that it deserved to be thought of in the same class as the Masters, the US Open and British Open and the National PGA. A sort of grand slam plus one. It didn't ask anyone, by the way.

It just claimed it, primarily on the basis that the tournament was a big money event to be played on tough courses with the best field you could assemble. This was all true, but major status will only come with age and refinements that will be made over the years, if at all. Only public taste and to some extent, the attitude of the press will ultimately decide the proper place of the TPC, the players' championship. Possibly the world doesn't need a fifth major, and it will have to settle down on that plateau of annual competitions that are thought of as significant, better than a derailleur or a camper, of course, but hardly a master's somewhere in between. I still have in the same conversation. And Peter Clarking said, hold my beer.

As when it was written. Let's see if we can, how many can we, maybe we can. 43. I was going to say that's more than 40 years together around the exact same conversation. So again, players bounced around and then so that when it came to the players in 77, first time at Sawgrass Country Club, 140-ish players in the field,

50 of them at one point shot 80 or higher. One fellow actually confessed to a 91 named John Lister and one did not, Homoero Blancas, although 91 is what he shot. Blancas was disqualified after failing to sign his scorecard. The average scorecard in the afternoon was 81 on Friday. Bruce Litzky sat in the locker room trying to figure out a worstball score among the field, worst score from any one on each hole from any one. He got the number up to 131. The round was best summed up by Cesar Sanudo, one of the day's 14 dropouts. Hitting his third drive at the ninth hole

after the other two had gone in the water, and seeing this would take a huge soaring turn to the same hazard, he started walking in. It's the first time I ever withdrew when the ball was in the air. Jace and Day, don't get any ideas. I can read the names, I typed them all out, but I'm gonna skip that

because I already teased that there were 14 dropouts in total. One sixth of the field was either disqualified or withdrew. I'm not signing it. Not signing. When Alan Miller was asked what the average score is gonna be, he replied withdrew. Ray Floyd called it the worst he's ever played in the US. That's year one.

All right, so is this because the course is so hard? Or it's to the wind whipped for three consecutive years, like in late March, and the course is hard, and we're going to get to some of that as well. This is fast forward in 1978, the next year, from Dan Jenkins yet again. From Thursday's start, the players found saw grass to be precisely as they left it a year ago.

A swampy, scrubby, windy, chilly, narrow pain in the three wood. They had been told it would be easier this year that some changes had been made in the architecture. Several reptiles supposedly had been exterminated too. There was, however, one thing that couldn't be corrected, the basic design of the layout. Saul grass is a non-links course by the sea. If there was a run-up shot to be had out there, or a place where the golfer could get underneath the wind, no one could find it. Sawgrass was target golf under links conditions and this made for high scoring and bitter locker rooms.

Jack won it again at plus one, and he said, I feel like I didn't feel like I won it. I feel like everyone else lost it. Arnie shot 85 that year. So this leads us to 1979. Third straight year, there were instances of people threatening it. The weather's going to be the same this year, like we're just going to withdrawal. And the course of fact, it took them two plus years

to, you know, it was the biggest check in the off. Yeah, it was the biggest check. So the courses reduced by 91 yards in 1979. All right, we're going to make it a little easier on the guys. Friday, Thursday, Friday, scoring's off to yards in 1979. All right, we're gonna make it a little easier on the guys. Friday, Thursday, Friday, scoring's off to a low start. Lanny Watkins, nine under at the halfway point, three shot lead, everything's fine. Follows it with a disastrous Saturday, 76. He still leads by three.

Saturday, Lietriveno says, the greens have turned blue. If they don't put water on them, we won't have anything to put on tomorrow. The poor greens penalize good shots, but they won't water them. Lanny said, I'll bring my razor and dinner tomorrow. It took us so long to play 10 and 11 that I don't even remember playing them. It was like one of Ivan Gula Gongs walkabouts. I just went off somewhere. So I had to look up Ivan Gula Gong's walkabouts, which she was a former number one tennis player in the world, aboriginal descent. And when

asked about like losing focus during a tournament, she just said, like, I don't know, I went on a walkabout. I don't know if she was like pandering to the media is like, is an aboriginal walkabout or what?'t know if she was like pandering to the media is like, is an Aboriginal walkabout or what, but I had to... We should go on a walkabout. It was like a... I've long wanted to go on a walkabout. I know, like a team building.

Yeah. So anyways, some quotes, some more quotes. I'll talk to that first. After that, Jack Nicholas shook his head afterwards and said, is this golf? I got it right. Is this golf? Do you know I only put the ball on the green

in regulation four times today? He would later go on to brag that he had 26 puts in his in route to 82. Jack Rinner, the only one in the field to break par on that Saturday, quote, it was like murder. George Burns, I just wanted to get out of there without getting hurt. Lanny shot a final round 72 to win by five. Only one player. Only player to finish under par. He finished at minus five. Tom Watson shot a final round 71 to finish solo second at even. First person, Lanny Watkins, to finish under par at the players championship at

Salgrass Country Club in three years. I mean, listen, there you go. You're throwing out the results. We had Jack, Jack and Lanny. Marquets won the first one. Well, and Marquets, so the best player usually wins. Hey, I mean, at least back then, they were trying to make it a real test. Yeah. Instead of just over watering the shit out of it.

Bob Murphy shot 92, Canadian Dan Halderson shot 89. George Burns was three back going into the final round. He shot 83 Mr. Birds. Trevino and Billy Cratsert both shot 79 23 players shot in the 80s only 32 players broke 300 which was plus 12 Dean Damon commission P.J. Torsett. I think it's unfortunate that the wins were so severe the last two days because our players are better than their scores showed. They gusted to 45 miles an hour. greens baked out and wouldn't hold shots, and most greens were protected by bunkers in the front. So there's just nowhere to hit it.

This is a lot of what we're talking about with the why we're so excited that the players just moved back to March. Yes. This is gonna happen again. It wasn't gonna happen this year. Yeah, because I mean, it was gonna be probably the nicest weather of the year.

It was the week before this year's scheduled event that won it like super win this. Yes, it's year's scheduled event. The one that like super windy, it's the weekend. It did get canceled. It was. It was really been on. Yeah, but yeah, the week before was not, but it's in play.

It's absolutely in play. Of his Friday, 68 and Sunday, 72. Laney said, though they were two of the best rounds of golf. I've ever played in my life. In the locker room on Saturday afternoon, the early finishers whooped in how'd at the TV screen as it presented Nicholas and the others chinned deep in the weeds with the wind making their hair look like it was going to be torn from their scouts any second. As Jack worked on his 82, Dave Hill and Fred Marty ripped out the title page of a magazine story

called How I Learned to Play Smart Golf by Andy Bean and Taped it to the front of Nicholas's locker. Before Nicholas came in, he'll fill guilty about the cruelty of the joke, took it down and simply handed it to Jack instead, whereas Nicholas went and taped it to the locker himself, and proudly announced that he only taken 26 putts for his 82. Somebody did the math, what Lanny Watkins shooting 76 on Saturday and not losing a shot to the field could never did not happen before since Harry Vardin. Only three scores of par were better were carted compared to 39 scores in the 80s scoring average for Saturday and Sunday 77.5 and 78.6 respectively. And then so 79 is the year the infamous barber chair where Ben Crenshaw, the ringleader, had guys come in sit down in the chair, go through their 18 whole score and compile another ringer score like that.

Gary Koch, it's harder to describe. It was a great golf course, but to try to play it in that way and just didn't work. You can't describe to modern players how bad the wind was and how difficult we had it with the equipment we were using. I'm sorry, this is Leonard Thompson now. Woodclubs, golf balls, built to go up in the air. No one will believe it. It's like, well, actually, I don't think we'll believe it, but Fuzzy Zeller,

a horror show. Then maybe my favorite, JC Sneeds trademark straw hat blew off as he hit an approach at the par five fourth hole. One gust after another carried that all the way to the greed, where it hit his ball, resulting in a true shot. I couldn't get through it. The rub the rub.

The rub. The rub. Literally. That's the. The par for 10th hole many players couldn't clear the water crossing the fairway for the back tees. They had to hit punch seven irons to the forward tees to hit it over the water. As Fuzzy's Ler said, I was stubborn. I was young and dumb.

I went up there and hit what I thought was one of the best drives of my life. It one hopped into the hazard. Hubert Green used a one iron on the par three eighth hole, which played a hundred and 55 yards. Hubert Green also said, one round there, I had honors on the first T, shot 79 and still hit first on every hole. And then Roger Melaltese said, guys would hit a top flight into the win in one of those big dimpled title us downwind.

He even believes that the players at sawgresses, what prompted the tour to invoke the one ball rule because when Maltese was paired with Nicholas one day, he dug into his bag and found an old monitor. He's like, he said they were like small bowling balls. I smoked a one iron down the middle, Jack pulled driver and his wound, ballata McGregor, with his wound, ballata McGregor, and hit that one down the middle. When we got to the balls, I was 20 yards past him. Jack refused to believe it at first,

and then started in how we had to start using the one ball roll. It soon got changed after that. That's a good take. Jack's an old book. That's scummy. So that pretty much wraps up 79. The next year. That's kind of Niels M.O.

What's that? You've been changing your ball. Yeah. It's not spayed. It's a real drive. Not a real drive. Not only the drive chip and putt. That's not that's not the drive.

And the lucky challenge, huh? Did you not do it? No, I play the same ball throughout the lefty challenge. The next year the win did not lose. It's a different type of ball, which are allowed to do. Leach or Vino. That's why it's a ball. Yeah, he's fast.

No, I want to know. So can you play, can you switch the, you switch the type of ball you play from, hold on, we gotta be very specific with our language. What do you mean by type of ball? Like if you play an ERC soft, one round, and then the next round you go out, play a crombsoft. Yeah, you can do that. Round to round. Yeah. No, not, not, uh, tournament to tournament. You can do it. Not round to round. Oh, right. Sorry. So within the round, I'm

professionally, and professional golf. And so in amateur golf, say I went out there, sometimes I have a bag full of just like truvis and we don't even chrome soft. One ball, one ball rule is not in play. We're playing recreational rounds. Yeah, I know but for an amateur tournament. Can you only have one type of ball in your bag? Yeah, that's the one ball rule. I never knew that So we so we probably need to relook at all your Junior scores that one played a I haven't played a real tournament since you know That's the ninth grade that two-shot penalty for asking about club that guy hit. Yeah, that's now four shots, buddy. Well, no, yeah.

We're learning a lot along the way. That's good. That's so, wow. So you can't change. Well, the point is that you can't do this. You can't play the Probe 1. No, I make sense. It's tough to do.

It makes a ton of sense. I just never knew that was like a, I think that was rule. So moving on, I'll wrap up here that the wind didn't blow the next year. Leach Irvino won it 10 under. 1981 a fun nugget. The last year that it was held at Sawgrass Country Club Ray Floyd won it at minus three. It was supposed to be at stadium that year, but it wasn't ready in time. And a wild nugget I found while prepping for this in that 1981 Floyd won the players

in the $72,000 first prize check. He also won a $250,000 bonus for winning two Florida events in a row. There was a, the sponsors put up a bonus that if anyone would win two in a row, they would get a $250,000 bonus. It's like the original A on risk for war. Which is like a one point seven million dollars back then or something like that.

Why would they, what's the point? So I get people to play the whole stretch, I think. I think it was like a bait. Like hey, if you come play, if you win two of them, we'll give you a $250,000. And he did, which is like four X, the whatever, the actual prize for the event. So.

Reaffirm set three X. Ray Floyd is. Yeah. A man is. Well, in the art, in the, he's like, I'd be lying if I wasn't thinking about the money the whole time. They went to a Monday playoff, three man playoff, and they keep his one with the most money on the line.

It was a long, long time. I've never heard that. I've never heard that. I've never heard that. So he went from calling it the worst ever to winning his one of the biggest prizes ever on that course. We could do a whole other category when they moved to TPC sawgrass as well.

Yes. First year it was over there, it was a blood bad. So that is the players championship at Sawgrass Country Club. Thank you, Sally. Good stuff. Give me the wheel I'm driving. Shout out to JC Sneed for.

Did you find saw, well, what I'm curious is I've never seen Sawgrass Country Club. Did you find this? No, but in crazy wind with that equipment, and probably what it looked like back then, I think it's been softened a bunch since then. I think they've re-done it a couple times. I did definitely did not find it that hard,

but they talk about the fifth hole, UT off from an elevated T, and I didn't even realize it in the tournament until after that, you have to thread it between a couple of OBS that are like 40 yards apart. And I hit driver there and I look back, I'm like, why should not have hit driver here?

And they had like a 40-mount-hour crosswind on that hole. And it's like there's just no chance. You couldn't find it. Where is it? It's like across the street. It's on the east side of A1A instead of the west side. Like directly across from TPC. I mean, Saul, you gotta remember the, like, the guys now,

they're better athletes. Yeah, that's true. So, you know, you just gotta keep that in mind. For sure. Yeah. So, um, so yeah, I don't want to see video that guys had hit this part. Oh, wow.

If you want to hear more about this, the Lanny Watkins pod, we talked some of them, like around the 10 minute mark, we talked about the 79 players. So, I'm about the 79 players. So I'm done. Good stuff. All right. I want to talk about, listen up to someone to get some.

I want to talk about a nightmare, quote, a nightmare. Source for this quote is from John Gerdy's Game Piece. Quote, that's pretty much what the 128th Open Championship was from start to finish a golfers nightmare. I am talking about the 128th open championship presented by Her Majesty, you can't British up in championship. You can't, bitch. Guaradi's piece is strong to quite strong in the SI vault, so I'd encourage you all to go back.

Rick Riley's piece, this is 99, we're talking 99. Rick Riley's piece, this is like when Riley starts to become like, oh, funny guy. He's like doing like made up quotes from Van the Belt and his caddy of like, this is the bowl, this is the bowl. I specifically remember that. I think I do too.

Such a bad piece. Anyway, I want to start off by calling out golf channel though. Honestly, between the two pieces, you mentioned I want to read the bad. The bad. Yeah, well, between the two pieces you mentioned, I want to read the bat. The bat. Yeah. Well, I'll give you some quotes from the other one, so you probably don't have to read it.

But so golf channel, they, I mean, they almost created a very compelling documentary, which I happened to flip on earlier this week about this event. Obviously, it's Van Develle's collapse. I know exactly what you're going to say. They put the dissonance in the bar. Oh my God. Oh my God.

This horrible scripted bar scene with this old, timey bartender and the lonely guy drinking alone. And it's like, you know, a cheers bar with a little small TV up in the corner. He's like, hey, what's going on up here? You're not gonna believe it, man. The guy had a three stroke lead on the last hole.

And what he do, he choked it away. You know, it's this horrible, horrible, horrible, scripted bullshit. He's this French guy. Yeah, can you believe that? Sponsored by Disney, Paris, ah. You know, it's so bad. It's like, what do you do it?

And then they cut back to the, like, the good stuff. You could get about it. Yeah. They're interviewing, like, it's, and it goes back to like a real documentary. And you're like, oh, this is, this is great. And then it comes back.

Yeah, do you believe all that? Yeah. It's so stupid. So it's clearly a script. So he's got a three shot lead and he's T and all. You gotta think he's not hitting driving. And the guy at the bar is like, you know, sitting there like, so then what happens then? We'll get this, he takes his shoes off.

He gets in the burn. What the hell's a burn? It's really bad. So if that comes on, I don't know, maybe watch it. Watch it. Hey, watch it. Yeah. So obviously one by Paul Larr, let's set the stage here

in a playoff over. Don't vent the vent in just in-litter. Yes. So four whole playoff, Paul Larr is only major championship. Some good quotes in that documentary from Lari. He was saying, all I was thinking about coming down the final round was getting, I'm in the masters. Like he's thinking about Augusta.

So, but turns out then VanVell collapses and he ends up winning it. He's not thinking about getting in the players. No, he's not. He's not getting in the masters. First Scott to win since. Scott's meant to win the open since. David Brown.

Tommy Armor, 1931. Really? Yep. I almost said Monty, just like that. That was the first thing they found from my head too. I was like, all right, I don't think it was that. Laurie came back from a 10 shot fun around deficit, which is the largest deficit ever overcome to win a major. I still believe it still is.

I still hate that that is like, you know, Van Develle lost that one, nobody won that. Like Lori's trying to find around 67. Like he balled out of me like every putt. And the 18, he made a crazy par on 18. And so then another quote from Gary's piece, quote, carneusty, which was the last side of the open, which was the site, sorry, carneusty,

which was last the site of the open in 1975 when Tom Watson won the first of his five British titles, is a nasty antique that was brought down from the attic after 24 years. Last week, the holes were longer than they were when Watson won there. The rough was deeper. The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of San Andres,

the organization that runs the British open made the fairways as narrow as an eels appendix scar. The fairways were also ultra firm allowing balls that landed safely to go looking for trouble, most often in some gravel bottom moat or wall-faced bunker. Quote, I don't think there's an individual in the RNA who could break 100 on these courses, said Phil Mickelson who shot 79 76 and missed the cut end quote round leaders by day first round even par. You guys know who it was? Monty.

No. Rod Pampling. Um, who went the Pamp wagon. He went 71 86. Oh, to Camilo. Full Camilo. Full Camilo misses the cut. Quote. Every year, there claims to be that course at some major championship that is too severe. But how often does the first round

leader fail to survive a 36 hole cut also from Gary's piece? Second round. Plus one, Van Develle leads. Third round, even Van Develle. He was using round that never compromise putter remember the black and silver one. DJ use that for a long time too. Final round plus six, Paul Laurie. Believe that's the highest so 290 is the highest four round total for a major I guess since. I think since like World War II or something. Yeah, yeah, other than the 1901 situation

that we covered earlier. So that was news to me. God, he was other notables though. Vanneville was even leading going into the final round. Vanneville was leading the second and third round. And he had a three-structly going into the 72nd hole. So we'll get to that in just a second. We can go over that. But other notables, David DuVall finished plus 22. And he was the lead lead in the money list. At the time, 22 bogies and four doubles in his two rounds.

The Scottish mirror headline, do all leads American fury at killer car news. Defending champ Marco Mira, shot a first round 83. Other interesting final or the leaderboard at the end, El Pato, uh, plus seven T four with Craig Perry, the shark finishes solo six at plus nine. Uh, what you guys know, we're, uh, we're the cat finished. I do not. Seventh at plus 10 with DL three and David Frost. Craig Perry, uh, I mentioned finished T four shot lowest round of the week 67. Let's see here. So that Vandevelle's collapse. Craig Perry, I mentioned finished T4, shot lowest round of the week, 67. Let's see here. So Van Develle's collapse. We'll just walk through it in case anybody's

forgotten, because I think Carnage is encapsulated with both. I don't think the event gets enough credit as being just a complete chit-chow for everybody. But Van Develd's winning by three is three over, walks the 72nd hole, pulls driver, get this says post-rown, he says he thought he only had a two stroke lead. So that's why he pulled driver. So pulls driver hits maybe the original or the most famous big right miss of all time, blows its over the burn into 17 fairway, then decides to hit a two iron instead of he could have hit like a hundred and twenty yard shot as everybody says laid up right in front of the burn another hundred and twenty yard shot he's on hits a two iron off the grandstands bounces off a rock

into the berry burn and comes to rest and thick rough fifty yards behind where it hit the grandstands so behind the burn. And if you just think if his ball stays in the grandstands I think it hit off like the metal bleachers he gets TIO relief. He gets a free drop. Free drop there. I mean, he's going for it. At the ball stays, it's what are these two wouldn't, yeah, he, he still would have been,

been dropping for much better. Yeah. So he, so he goes and so then he gets back there and he hits. Can we just say that's like the worst probable rub of the green? To say this is a tire hole is like, yeah. And my, but that bounce is the worst bounce in of the green. Say this entire hole is like. Yeah. But that bounce is the worst bounce in our lifetimes. Yes. It's not good.

So 50 yards, come 50 yards backwards. Yes, it's not good. Then he hits the mega D cell, if you watch the highlights, chunky boy niche into the burn. Just like, it just the most uncommitted like, it went in the burn. It just, I mean, it looks like it was aiming for it. It seemed destined at that point.

Yeah, and you're just trying to like, like, ah, you imagine how quickly, how quickly things are moving. Oh my God. Well, then if you watch the footage, it's like, like no one, no, it's chaos, like people, so then he takes his socks off, he's gonna get in there in the camera angle, guys like trying to hold people back

they're like, no, what are you doing? Oh my God, you know, for free. Maybe he's doing a really good job. So he gets down there. He's feeling the bar, they're probably doing it. I think the iconic, yeah. The iconic scene is him with his hands on his hips, just like looking around.

Smiling, smiling. Smiling for the photograph. Should I do it? Should I, I'll do it. I'm crazy man, I'll do it. All right. One guy in the crowd is going, you won't. Yeah,? I'll do it. I'm crazy, man. I'll do it. All right. One guy in the crowd just goes, you won't. Yeah.

He won't hit it. I remember at this point, our dad was watching this with our dad in Atlanta, and we're kind of just like really getting into golf at that point. I'm 13, I think, Niels, Niels, nine years old, and our dad's like, this fucking guy is a French guy, do you believe me? What the hell is he doing? He's like, I don't believe this is crazy. This is the craziest thing I've ever seen. So he just has against hitting it out of the burn

because it was full submergeo. Like it was underwall. By the time he got in there it was. But when he started the process, the ball to the tide rose while he was like thinking he got in there it was, but when he started the process, the ball to the tide rose while he was like thinking about going in there and getting it. So then he gets it out,

he drops behind the burn, which honestly helped him. Dump's it, yeah, Dump's it in the bunker, and then he gets up and down. He made like a hell of an open up. A sweet 10 foot putt and then gives the big fist pump, and then he goes into the playoff and blows his drive.

I think it blows it left and it has to take an on playable on the first playoff hole, but then he comes back the playoff and blows his drive. I think it goes it left and it has to take an unplayable on the first playoff hole, but then he comes back, he burdy 17, so he's tied again with Laurie. And then Laurie makes his birdie, and then he, in 18, Laurie puts it away. So, ends up losing it.

Laurie didn't put it away. He had a four iron from 225 to like three feet. Everyone's like, you can lay up here. Like, you don't need to hit this shot. So this is shortly after Van Develle like went for it. And Laurie just like hits this forearm in the rain and hits it to like two feet,

which is I had totally forgotten about until watching that documentary. And then, myth, his name was not on the cleric jug yet. The engraver says he always does the, you know, all the year, the course, all that stuff. And then gets the piece of paper once the final putt drops. So that's a myth.

Yeah, I just wanted the guy is a pro. I just wanted to put that out there. Another quote from our board, Gary Gulf historians were arguing over what happened to Van Avail on the 18th. Tee, some will blame his caddy who failed to dissuade him from using the driver. Others will blame Napoleon who set a bad precedent at Waterloo. Which I thought was a great line and was worth mentioning here. And then lastly, just to kind of sum up the tournament itself, quote, some blame the wind, but the wind was normal

for Tayside, a persistent 15 to 25 miles per hour with an occasional two paylifting gust. In such conditions, the ideal shot is usually described as one played under the wind. And then this quote, Randy, I know you're gonna love this. Christ, they don't know how, they don't know what a low ball is, muttered Carnewstie's feisty greenkeeper, John Philip, as he watched the world's best players struggle with Link style golf.

We used to call them daisy cutters. This is old style, the natural style. Phillips was pleased with the scores, which ranged far upwards from the playoffs, from the playoffs, Trio six under six over part 290. The highest winning total at any major, since Jack Nicholas is 290 in 1972, US open at Pebble Beach. I think part of it was the... I do love that, cool. Feisty, baby. They hadn't had to open it.

Carrier Steve, since 75. 75. So hadn't had to open it, Kanye St. since... 75. 75, so... It's an antique that was... It was... Yeah, it was such a fresh look at, like, holy shit, this is cool. Yeah. So, which to that, Green's Keepers point, I don't believe any of that.

Like, pros are so good at adapting, like, weak of to the style of playing. They don't know what a low ball is, Sally. Yeah, I kind of don't want to believe that. I like, what was his name? John Philip. I what a low ball is, Sally. Yeah, I kind of don't want to believe that. What was his name? John Philip. I'm curious what he would have shot. Yeah, for sure. Chops, who's a?

So that's it. Yeah, I have a bit of Paul Laurie trivia. How many more times did... Or I would say how many total European tour wins did Paul Laurie have? Six. Close. Five. Eight. The last of his wins was the open championship. Actually this was a sunshine tour win but this was

the last his last professional win 2017 dimension data program which you've constantly shit on. It sounds like you're making these case. Sorry, I think there's an interesting discussion. And the answer is probably obvious, but I don't know. Would you rather be John Van Develle and live forever as the guy who blew the open or Paul Laurie. Or Paul Laurie who no one remembers. I was impressed by Laurie's interviews on the documentary. So he was committed to like, I won this thing.

Yeah, and he was, he seems like pretty interesting cat. But I hear what you're saying, Randy. I'm just saying, one will have a legacy that's gonna far out, outlast the up. What did you guys talk about the open with him on the trap draw you did? We did. We're journalists.

Yeah. Anything that sticks out. Yeah, he said he got snockered in the clubhouse after it's on a really nice bottle of wine. It ate at night, yeah. I think he had to have drank between the 18th hole in the playoff because he was like 45 minutes late to the playoff

They said that document he wouldn't like change his clothes and like read it his hair took his hat off He needed a minute. Yeah We didn't want to scrape open sure obvious wounds. We tried to be respectful But yeah also probing as the journal I've followed him for a few holes on the champion's tour and I guess 2016 at the Toshiba down in Newport. And he was kind of like this leather leather staff bag and he was swaggy man. Yeah, he had a great vibe. I mean two things that talk about this Paul Laurie being like forgotten as a winner and also how well John Van de Valle played. He's like viewed as a guinea deite for like a really horrible bounce and some questionable decision-making.

Let's be honest, but 71 holes of that golf course like dominant is just like completely forgotten He just as soon as like this buffoon and it's not the case really at all. It's an interesting question Really honestly the way he's handled it is more impressive than I think a lot of people who have handled like his Perspective on is like it's a golf term. You get another video, it's like this weird art, it's on YouTube. It's called Losers. No, well that sucked. Where it plays like Netflix things.

Yeah, that wasn't really good. No, he did this like weird kind of like avant-garde art piece where he tries to, so what did he make on the whole seven? Yeah, yeah. He tries to make six with just his partner. He did it commercial, yeah. So I think he does, right? Yeah, he does, yeah.

No, the other thing that sticks out to me in the podcast we do with him, he lost the 2005 French open to his friend John Fresswell Remissie who he said he's completely mad. He's mad. He's mad. Remissie made Darnish now. Remissie made double bogey on that hole to win the playoffs. Oh. And then, and then, uh, maybe I'd rather be Paul Lowry. Vanderbilt lost one other career, uh, PGA tour, playoff at the 2000 Reno Tahoe open. I saw the J.J. Henry. Shall we do an honorable mention just to cover off for anyone that gets mad about things we didn't talk about?

74 US Open at Wingfoot, Hell, Hill Irwin won that at 7 over. Sounds like the Pebble Beach wanted the 72 Pebble Beach with the 290 tie for over. Okay, 6 over 92 Pebble Beach. I think it was. That was Mayhem and El Cabrera wanted Oakmont in 07 at 5 over par and Jeff Ogleby wanted wing foot in 2006 at 5 over par. What was that Johnson at the Masters? He was 1 over.

So that was the highest worst score to the Paul Lorry was the highest for the Open Championships in 1970. The two, those two US opens and the Hale Irwin were the four worst scores in relation to par, two of them being at Wingfoot since 1970 in majors. Worst field scoring average in a major since 1995, 99 British at 76.82, oh seven masters, 75.88, oh seven US open, 75.7, and 2000 US open, 75.35.

The one where Tiger Woods broke the scoring record for most under par was the fourth highest field scoring average in a major since 95. Whoa. The O7 Masters was the highest at Augusta since 66 and is the only time since 75 that the field average 75 or higher for the week for comparison 2019 was the easiest that's ever played at 71.87. So that's something that kills me about Zach Johnson being the one the most of us ciferous one to bitch about winged foot a couple years ago where that would seem to start our So that's something that kills me about Zach Johnson being the one the most most of us. One to bitch about winged foot a couple years ago where that would seem to

start or shouldn't have caught that would seem to suit his game. Yeah, I just think he couldn't hold the greens because he couldn't get enough spent. They lost it. Well, the last non major win on the PJ Torf at a score over par was the 81 Byron Nelson. That was Bruce Litzky. Bay Hill this year was won at 400 the worst winning score on a non-major in a tour event in nearly six years the 2014 quick and loans minus four Justin Rose. That was that awesome. I don't remember that

guys the Bay Hill this year was such a joy to watch. It was great So and those stats are all courtesy of Mr. Justin Ray. We reached out to him for some support on this. Bottom line, like, give us some hard setups and challenges guys every once in a while. If you want some good quotes, you're gonna get them. And if you are like it. I think every once in a while is the compromise there. It does need to be everyone.

Exactly. We should have done Quill Hollow that one year too, where they lost the Greens, their currency. That was a carnage though. No, but it was a different kind of carnage. And that guys showed up and withdrew. Like Ian Polter, I think withdrew once he got there. And guys like chipping over different spike marks

and stuff on the greenos. Randy, you pro that or anti that. Pro, like pro the greens looking like shit. Yeah, they can look like whatever. Everybody's got volume, right? Exactly. So with that, we will wrap our carnage pod. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in.

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