No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 317: The Biggest Collapses

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

We dove back into the archives to better understand four of the greatest golf collapses of all time. DJ takes us through the 1966 US Open (7:00), Randy on Adam Scott's downfall at the 2012 British Open (32:30), Neil on a flurry of collapses at the 2005 US Open (57:30), and Soly on Greg Norman's defining unraveling at the 1996 Masters (1:11:30). We set the scene, mined some old quotes, and reacted to some shocking details along the way. This was more fun than the collapses probably were.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. more. It was back down south at the Kille House. Welcome. Thank you. It's great to be back with you guys. DJ Pi is here. Greetings. Hello. Big Randy is here. His computer is still updating, so he's not going to go first. We're in a complete stall mode right now, four corner off,

and it's trying to get my computer ready. And I also want to say TC is always with us in spirit, though. Exactly. This is true. Today's episode, we are going to cover some of, I don't want to say our favorite collapses in golf history. It seems a little morbid, I guess, if you will. We requested that people send in ideas for topics they want to hear us dive into. And this was one of the suggested one, which is kind of going one by one and diving into some of the great golf collapses in history. And we've each got a separate topic and we're gonna we're gonna go hard on it. If I get to add some more specificity to that,

we're talking about professional golf collapses. So none of Niels, well, you know, none of Niels collapses will be touched on here. And as far as I know. Thank you for clarifying that. As well, I wanted everybody to go around and define what is a collapse?

What is the worst collapse? Why don't you start? Well, I kind of have it in two categories. You have the, you know, people careening down the leaderboard. So like the most stroked lead and then they just collapse on the final day. So just kind of volume collapse. And then I think there's a separate category.

Some hit both, but it's heart breaks, right? It all happens all at once at the very end, or it happens to somebody where it's just saying so kind of thing. So I kind of went back and forth between the two of those and tried to find one or two that met both criteria. Well, I know that yours is somewhat of a surprise, which category does it fall into? It falls more into the first, just a, you know,

slow bleed. Yeah, it's kind of over before it starts, but has the heartbreak aspect to it as well. So as a kind of a little tangential side thing. Sure. And I think the goal of this is also, it's definitely not to laugh at anyone. Well, I don't want to speak for everyone.

I don't know about that. It's more or so to add some context around some of these. I, the one I'll be doing, which I'm gonna be going last is Greg Norman's Collapse of the 96 Masters, which may be the most obvious one, but in, you know, 30 minutes of researching yesterday, I was like, whoa, there is way more to this

than I would have thought, a lot more context. A lot of stuff I'd never heard before. So that's kind of the goal is to bring a lot of this stuff into one place and hopefully, I'm gonna, I'm ready to learn from you guys and hopefully people at home learn something along the way. One other thing I'd add, I think there's a personal element to it as well, both of them.

So I'll date mine a little bit. I watch them, right? So it was like, oh my God, like it kind of struck me. It was a paradigm shift for a couple of guys where you're like, man, that is, that's a tough scene. So it's all relative. It may not be personal for you guys, right? Because there's a lot, you know, from the past where.

Yeah, I'm, I'm delving pretty deep back into the archives, but one thing I think mine speaks to, and I'm guessing your guys is does too, and I know I try to say this whenever, you know, we have a quote unquote choke go down, is that you have to play really well in order to be able to choke. And I think we can maybe preface some of these with,

I'm guessing everybody that we're talking about here was in the lead of a big ass golf tournament at some point. And I always kinda laugh at that a little bit when people are like, oh my god, like they don't have what it takes, there's such chokers. Those guys suck. It's like, man, what about the guy who went 75, 74, and wasn't even close to sniffing, making the cut?

Like, what? That guy sucks. Yeah. That guy sucks. Yeah. That guy sucks. That said, I think there is something to what you just said though that he doesn't have what it takes. Like we will get to some Norman stuff that I'm like,

oh, yeah dude, like you didn't, like I wanted to just believe like you just kind of on the, he was on the edge of bad luck in a lot of scenarios, but also like dude, this, the writing was on the wall here. Like some of the stories from that Saturday night are, we'll get to it. How about that? I guess what, you know, listen, it's a complicated topic as everything is. Before we get rolling any further, we've talked, you've first talked quite a bit about

Calloway's irons. A couple of us have the Apex, some have the Apex pros. I'm an X-forged guy. What do you guys play? Well, I've been playing the Killhouse rental set for past three months, which was pros, which I was I was hitting pretty well. I've got the my set back, which is the apex. So it's going to be a head to head battle here over the next month or two to see which one I'm going to go with for the long term. We'll find out. I'm apex as well. We'll find out who the true apex predator. Yeah. Big guy. Well, the truthful answer is I'm,

as the name would suggest, I'm actually gaming the Rogue Pros right now. So I'm a little rogue here in the Apex discussion. Yeah. Randy's a big comfort guy. You know, he finds something like sticks with it for the long term. That's exactly right.

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Sunday. Randy, can we get an update on your computer? Huge news guys. My Catalina 10.5.4 update has completed. I am online. I'm ready to go. Why didn't you just hit remind me tomorrow? He is logged on. I've been doing that for the last few years. Probably, probably few years. Probably two years.

It's straight every day. Why'd you pick today? Well, I did it. I started this morning, man. I started work day. I started this morning. I don't know. Who could say?

I thought it was gonna be quick. Oh, he starts this morning and then he shuts his computer so it doesn't even update. And then he opens it back up when he gets here. That's exactly what happened. But they should tell you how long these things are gonna take. Who knows? Well, you know what? I have a frustration with it

is when it says like you've got 15 minutes left, but it just kinda like hangs out on 15 minutes for 15 minutes, and then it's like, you just don't tell me that don't do that. What's the deal with airplane food, too? You know? Are people shaving in this? That one went over my head. I don't know the airplane food one.

This is science-friendly. It's just kinda, you know, everyday problems. Okay don't know. The airplane food one. This is a side-trail thing. It's just kind of, you know, everyday problems. Okay. Well, sorry, we digress. But, Randy, I'm glad you. Thank you. Mission accomplished. I'm glad we're back.

Thank you. DJ Pi, I believe you're first up. Why don't you take us through your great collapse? Happily. Thank you all for being here today. I always like to start with a quote, you know, to kind of set the tone, what we're going to be talking about. And today that comes from Arthur Daly,

fame sports writer of The New York Times, who called today's epic failure to protect this lead quote, the equivalent of galloping toward the wrong end zone. End quote. I would say that Leon let. That's a good quote. Didn't he do that? No, he was going the right way.

But he just celebrated too early. Oh, gotcha. There was somebody that was a good pull. Didn't he do that? No, he was going the right way. But he just celebrated too early. Oh, gotcha. But there was somebody that was a Viking guy. I forget who it was. It doesn't matter. You know, I think that when you're, when you're Googling biggest collapses in golf history as, you know, I may or may not have,

Jim Marshall for this podcast. Exactly. This is probably gonna be the one that shows up as number one. And, you know, I know sometimes we like to avoid the most obvious ones, but I feel like it happened so long ago. There's probably a lot of people listening to this who haven't heard the full story, including myself, really. I delved into it a bit during the Billy Casper most underrated golfers of all time podcast, but of course we're gonna be talking today about the 1966 United States Open

and Mr. Arnold, Mr. Palmer, who've, the definition of a tough scene. It's the toughest scene possibly we've ever seen in professional golf. Where is this, is this a great question at the Olympic club, San Francisco, Neil, shout out to your former life, shout out to Tourist Us season, what, three. I think we stopped by there. For the part three

course, this was of course on the contest on the late course. This was the second US open. Just let me set the table with some context, please, please. You hear the knives clanging as we're set the table. This was the second US open held at the Olympic club. Of course, the first one in 1955 won by Johnny Miller. Nope, that's not right. Mr. Hogan. Mr. Hogan's a very close guess.

All about as close as you can possibly get. Mr. Venturi? No. The point that note is that nobody remembers who won this one. It was Jack Flack. Jack Flack! Of course, Mr. Flack. Of course, a club pro from the great state of Iowa who knocked off Mr. Hogan in an

18-hole playoff at the Olympic club. The Olympic club has kind of built a reputation over the years for the stars never quite being able to prevail. We, of course, had, as I mentioned, Jack Flack beat Ben Hogan. Billy Casper went on to beat Arnold Palmer in the tournament that we're going to talk about today. Scott Simpson beat Frontrunner Tom Watson, Lee Janssen beat Pain Stewart, and of course, Web Simpson beat John Peterson. That's what I am.

And the Jungle Bird. And the Jungle Bird in 2012. Just to help you place, what kind of, you know, 1966, a lot of golf history can take me there. It can run together just to help you guys get a foothold and what kind of arrow we're talking about here. It was the first major ever played by Leet Trevino, Hail Irwin and Johnny Miller, all of their first major.

All three made the cut. Any guesses on who the low amateur was? Leet Trevino. Johnny Miller. No. It was Olympic Club. Uh, Johnny Miller. No. It was, uh, Olympic club junior member, Johnny Miller. Of course. Who was a, uh, that's why I thought he was, he was going to bring it up because he was going to say, Lietr Vino beat the hometown kid.

He did not. Uh, no, Johnny Miller was 19 years old and he finished T8. Wow. Wow. This was two years, two years after winning the US junior, he rolls in and finishes T8 at the, uh the US Junior. He rolls in and finishes T8 at the US Open. Nothing but love for Mr. Johnny Miller from me per usual here. The depth of professional golf might have been a little bit different.

Slightly different, but I will say, listen man, Arnie, Jack, he's still litigating his Johnny Miller underrated case. It was totally relevant to the conversation, as you will see. Kind of on the back end of that, who's aging out of some of these majors? It was the first time in 30 years, Sam Sneed failed to qualify for US Open, just for context. It was also the second to last appearance at the US Open for Ben Hogan, who finished T12 at the age of 53. So you had 19 year old Johnny Miller finishing,

I forget where he finished. T8, I just said. And then Ben Hogan at 53 finishing T12. So, pro golf, man, it's wild. The winner share for this, this is, as it says, nothing to do with the collapse, but I just think it's kind of fun stuff. The winner share $25,000.

Ooh. Equivalent to, as inflation calculators would, would peg it about $200,000 today. I was going to guess way lower than that. Of course, last year's winner, Gary Woodland received $2.25 million for winning the US Open. So things have changed. I didn't realize this. The continuous putting rule was in effect at this US Open, which means once you start putting, you're not allowed to mark your ball for anything other than cleaning it. So if you're 30 feet away and kneels 15 feet away, you are putting until you hold out and then kneel will put after that.

Confession? Never knew that was a rule. I didn't know that was a rule either. How long did it last? I don't know, that's a good question. I'll look that up once I'm done with my presentation. It sounds like it should definitely still be a rule. So the goal was to speed up play, which we're gonna get to in a bit. But where one part where I think it's relevant, or one point where I think it's relevant is that Billy Casper who went on to win this, didn't have one three putt until the 18 hole playoff, which is kind of mind blowing that you have to just,

you're not marking, you're not taking more time to read your putt, you're just going, going, going, going, going, and he didn't three putt once during the regulation 72 holes. Of course, as I mentioned, it did go into an 18 hole playoff. It was the fourth playoff in five years for the US Open. Crazy to think that, I think the last one was what? Tiger in 2008.

Have we really like not had one since then? Correct. Wild. And of course. Thanks to Dustin Johnson at the 2015 US Open. Exactly. Of course, Mr. Palmer had won the 1960 US Open at Cherry Hills after famously starting the day seven shots back shooting 65. Took him 18 holes to capsize

that seven shot lead. Really hard to really hard to overcome a seven shot lead almost impossible to overcome a seven shot lead, but Mr. Palmer was able to do it. Now let's get to the week, shall we? Please. Coming into the week, Mr. Palmer was quoted as saying just how bad his potting was, which is wild because he would go on to challenge the all-time US Open Scoring Record as we'll get to. He fired an opening round 71.

He was tied with Jack Nicholas and the Bay Area's native son, champagne, Tony Lima, as well. I believe this was his final US hope. That's exactly your skipping to the last chapter. Oh, sorry. That's okay. They were a couple shots behind. He was four back of first round leader Al Mangert, spoiler alert.

He did not go on to win. He Icarito twice, which is crazy. 67, 77. Then he shot 71 to get back into a tie for seventh, then he shot 81 in the final. I tell you, which was, he should have done what Neil does, which is when you play a course the second time, you try to shoot a lower score. You always try to shoot, you play better.

Yeah, usually it works. But I think that's where you're able to learn from those mistakes and really evolve Wild Bill Casper shot an opening round 69 two shots back of the lead to a head of Palmer Johnny Miller 19 years old shoots 70s T5 after round one. Did they call him Wild Bill Casper? No, that's a new one Always be evolving. No, I think he was decidedly not wild. I think that was, I think that would be one of those ironic nicknames. Hiding in around to the lead actor start to, to borrow a phrase to lift and separate.

Mr. Palmer. He'll be borrowing that phrase from. I don't think Tron and, I don't know, some of you guys always say that all the time. That was a, that's a TC football, jargon one. Yeah, I'm not sure the original. We're saying on that. Scholars of the lost series. It's been around for a the time. That was a T.C. football jargon one. Yeah, I'm not sure the original. So we're saying on that. Scholars of the lost series. It's been around for a long time.

Quoting anonymous. But do you know what lift and separate is related to? Because I tried to Google this once to try to figure it out. I did not know. No, it's like you're taking off. No, it means like bra removal. Oh, yeah. I know a lot of bras claim to lift and separate.

Lift and separate. You just say that lift and separate. Oh, really? I always thought lot of bras claim to lift and separate. Lift and separate. You just have to lift and separate. Oh, really? I always thought I was an airplane, leaving the runway. Maybe it's not removal then. I don't know exactly what, how it works. But if you Google lift and separate, it's like about bras. We encourage everyone to pause this podcast.

I do that at this point. But I thought it was a sports phrase because I heard Tron say it. Well, he always says it like, you know, taking the top off the defense, lift and separate. I thought they were kind of... So I think it's just like generic. Yeah, I thought it was like hand cleansed,

like lift and separate. Which would make more sense. I've never heard that tossed around the weight room. It could be anything. It could, yeah. I think it's a great phrase. As I was saying back to my notes, by round two of the lead actors,

we're starting to lift and separate. Mr. Arnold Palmer shot a second round, 66. That's blazing round at the US Open. I don't have to tell you guys that. Bill Casper, 68, they're tied for the lead at three under par, three clear the rest of the field after 36 holes. Worth noting, I mentioned they had the continuous

putting rule in play to hopefully speed up play. The group of Mr. Nicholas, Tony Lima, and Bruce Devlin was given a slow play warning during the second round. Jack, of course, was just a few shots off the lead. They're given a slow play warning. Jack immediately made four consecutive bogies. And it turned into like this, there's all these awesome newspaper articles from 1966 about Jack Feuding with the USGA.

They totally buried the hatchet on Saturday. It's great stuff. Can you move it? I don't play slow. Come on. Can we have a play faster? You guys are on my hand. It's not me.

It's these guys. What do you want me to do? Can we have a play faster? There was a lot of, he did say, they came up to be separately and said, it wasn't me. They were worried. It's not me, it's these guys. Yeah, what do you want me to do? I can't play faster. There was a lot of, he did say, like, no, they came up to be separately and said, like, it wasn't me, they were worried. That was very, it was pretty on-brand, but.

Slop play is not new in golf. Any of the highlights I've ever watched, but oh my god, hit the ball. I was so nervous to include this, because it's so not relevant to the rest of the conversation, but I'm glad you guys are into it. And so let me dig a little deeper. Jack's quote, this was from,

I believe the Eugene Register Guard. They are great with their online archives. Really? Yes. No, I find it awesome. A lot of their articles. They got an SEO wizard out there. He accused the group of quote,

ruining my tempo with their speed up policeman hanging around my neck. And quote. ruining my tempo with their speed up policeman hanging around my neck. And, quote. The next day, Jack played with young amateur, John Miller, in the third to last group. This is the third to last group at the US Open,

a decidedly hard US Open. They played in three hours and 25 minutes. What? The first group off was Charles Cudi and Claude King, who played in two hours and 37 minutes, and Kudie claims that six different officials told him to play faster. They played in two hours and 37 minutes, and six officials told him that they were playing too slow. They had a 15 minute meeting, this is again all from the Eugene Register Guard.

They had a 15 minute meeting in the scoring trailer afterwards to decide whether they would be penalized. Oh, for playing too slow. Well, and Kudy said, this is extreme. It takes all the fun out of the game to have these officials constantly telling us to hurry up. I will guess that's insanely fast, but golf courses that were the T-boxes

for right next to the greens and without lightning fast greens. Exactly. It is a different standard of measurement. Now, 237 is insane. Literally, I would say twice as fast as the rounds. You'll see it, we can put this here. Yes.

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DJ, that's very helpful, man. Thank you. Moving back into the story. So we have Casper and Palmer three clear the lead after that's right. After three six, three clear of the next best I should say after 36. Round three Arnold, Mr. Palmer completely takes control. Even part 70 on Saturday. Always going to be a good score at the US.

I'm going to take 18 parts. I don't have to tell you guys. Uh, that's always going to be good. I love the USH. He's going to take 18 parts, so I don't have to tell you guys. That's always going to be good. I love Arnold Mr. Paul. Bill Casper shoots 73. Arnold has a three shot lead going to the final, final,

find around Jack's four shots back. He's in solo third. Johnny Miller not relevant, but he's nine shots back. Round four. here we go. Palmer goes nuts on the front nine, just absolutely blitzes everybody. He gets in home and two on the opening par five, maybe very reminiscent of driving the green at Cherry Hills

that 1960 come back, makes Bernie at one. He goes on to shoot three under on the front nine leading by three He goes out and shoots three under on the front nine Billy Casper shoots one over on the front nine Mm-hmm and sorry the army the army is just the army is right now. The army is losing their minds right now Let's go Arnie. Yeah, we are your army Mike a young Mike stone Kicking is a pony's ball into the trees. No, there's none of that. This was back when Gulf was a gentleman's game. If you're doing the math at home, that's a seven shot lead.

Sound familiar. It's a seven shot lead with nine holes to play for Mr. Palmer in surmountable. Insurmountable. You know, Connor, who we're going to quote here shortly, had a piece where it was very off-handed, very anecdotal, but he said, yeah, Jack once asked offhand in a press conference, how big was Arnold's lead that day? And someone said seven shots and he just gasped and said, man, how did he let that have

it? And to this point, Arnie's his seven-time major winner. Correct. Yeah. Not exactly lightweight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not exactly lightweight. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was like, it's weird when the collapse doesn't fit the narrative of the player. Yeah. What makes

it so bizarre. Totally. Sounds like, you know, to borrow some history for the Empire got a little too big. Well, he got it. He overextended himself a little bit. I think that might be an astute observation. This is from Ian O'Connor when the US Open returned to the Olympic Club in 2012. He wrote a reflective piece about the day for ESPN. And this was quoting from that. Palmer wanted Ben Hogan's open scoring record of 276. He had no use for Hogan, an automaton who never referred to Palmer by name. Arnie wanted a piece of Hogan and a piece of history, so he started firing at pins and pursuit of both.

Oh, God. It could read out. Honestly, he continues. A Tomaton. That's coming. That's a great word. I have not heard that. He continues.

Casper, who was busy playing for his parting gift, or sorry, Casper was busy playing for his parting gift. At the turn he told Palmer, he just wanted to hold off Nicholas for second place, and Arnie, ever the good sport, gave Casper a little pep talk, told him to keep plugging away and everything would work out.

Okay. And the takeaway there is, as I mentioned, the Ben Hogan scoring record is 276. Arnie's trying to, as many people have surmised, he's keeping the foot on the gas, trying to come in at 275. E-Bogies 10, not a big deal. Leads down to six.

We're fine. Six shots lead with eight to play. Good. We're gonna hit bad shots. We always do. He parsed 11. Six shots lead with seven to play. E-Birdies 12.

Oh, gosh. Palmer would later say that making that birdie quote could have been the worst break of all because it convinced me I could still get the record. You go to go out those pins. That's it. That's like a tiger. It is. Yeah. I got so unlucky at birdie 12. I just didn't really want to make birdie there. So I forget where it all kind of shakes out, but he goes on. He bogus 13. So I believe we're down to five now. At the par three, 15th, Palmer again fires at the pin,

which is nestled up against his bunker. Mrs. The Green hits it in the bunker, doesn't get up and down. Casper makes a 20 footer for birdie, two shots swing, leads down to three. Wow. So when he birdied 12 though, it was still six. Did Casper birdied two?

Believe it was, I think it was a par five that they both birdied. I could be wrong. In fact, it was a par four, they did both birdied two. Thank you. So at the time, blah, blah, blah, you know, two shots swing on 15. Casper's quote about that birdie on 15

was that he never actually seriously considered the fact that he could win until that moment. He said, quote, that's the only time I felt like I could actually catch him. They moved to 16, Palmer Snap hooks it off the tee into the woods, shout out to Jim Fierrick. Uh, any comments on that? They moved the tee up.

They moved the tee up, he was totally confused. I know, you were getting that on 17. It was 16. It was 16 in the par five. There's two par-fives in a row, 16-17 at Olympic. I think 17 is par-three, but I could be wrong. Okay, either way. Let's not get lost in the zone.

I wonder how I know I'm sorry. Was he trying to hit the hook though? I just put, I don't know, he made, but yeah, I put like four as far as I can. If anyone has seen our strapped episode at four as far, Neil can relate to, you know, snap hook and it would. He executed this plan. That's the shot I was trying to hit.

He's just over executed it. I'll stand by that. He's just, it is back to back par five, 16 and 17. But it was, it did happen at 16 to jump here. Good catch. So he's banging around in the woods. He has to scramble to make, to save bogey on 16. Casper makes birdie.

The lead is down to one. Oh boy. With two to play. 17. 17. Palmer has a down to one. Oh boy. With two to play. 17. 17. Palmer has a seven footer left for par. He leaves it short. Mm.

Tuffy. Mm. We're all tied up. Go into 18. Arnold, after having, what did I say, a six shot lead with eighth to play. Mm-hmm. Now has to make a gnarly up and down. He misses the green at 18.

Has to make a gnarly four footer downhill just to force a playoff, which he makes. He would call it the most important put of his career. I believe at one point. And just to recap, so we're going to playoff just to recap here. Palmer shop 39 on the back, part 35, Casper shop 32. So shout out to Billy Casper. I mean, it was a, you know, it was a massive collapse, but Casper did, he went out and got it. He went out and got it. And army Morales.

Army Morales, too. Very low. There was a lot of news, it's always hard to believe like the newspaper reports at the time, because they're very like, Cheyup, Cheyup, you know. What, what, what, what, what, I was not gonna do the impression,

but like, Scotty, when I came and ran you down, but there's a lot of like, oh, the home crowd, they turned on Palmer and they were rooting on the underdog and Casper, which I don't know how much of that I believe, but the army said, are we the baddies? Exactly. So they both finished seven shots ahead of Solothird. So kind of a trun situation with Henrik and Phil maybe,

but of course, Randy, as you mentioned earlier, so Nicholas finished Solothird. The Bay Area's affable hometown, as you mentioned earlier, so Nicholas finished solo third, the Bay Area's affable hometown, Manitoni Lima finished in a tie for fourth, Champaign-Toni, and of course, that would be his final major, I believe, and he would die a month later in a plane crash, as Randy is stuitly pointed out in our, I believe our What If podcast.

I would encourage everybody to go back and listen to that. On to the playoff. So, 18-hole playoff, as everybody knows, the US open. Palmer, again, got off to a great start. He birdied two of the first seven. Casper bogey number nine, and Arnold was two up with nine holes to play.

Second, total second chance. Total redemption. Casper birdied 12, and Palmer, I'm sorry, Palmer Bogie 12 and Casper Birdie 12. So they were tied all of a sudden. Casper Birdie 13 to take the lead and then he just never gave it back. Starting at that 12th hole where we had the two shots wing and then he had a two shot lead. Palmer went Bogie par double par, par, to lose by four. Two shot lead. Most dangerous lead in sports. This was, of course, Arnold Palmer's third US Open Playoff.

It was, of course, his third loss in a US Open Playoff as well. The next year, he would finish runner up to Jack Nicholas for his fourth runner up at the US Open in six years. And of course, unlike Phil will end it with this, he would never win another major. Wow. That's the 1960s.

He's a. So I think what I think one of the main questions, a very important question we have to ask is on, on the spectrum of was this a crowning? How much of this was a crowning? Well, 32 on the back. That's a Casper. That's a question.

Yeah, I think it was a... Keep plugging away sport. Exactly. Can I say maybe half crowning, half went and got it? Okay. Almost always in these collapses, they got it and ends up winning. Like Paul Lorry, 99 open championship.

He balled out. He flew on around 67. He went out and got it. If fell into his lap, but you have to play unbelievably. Fowdo, he went out and got it. At least a little bit. It had to get handed to him, but it wasn't like you shoot. Trevor M. Lman shot, he went out and got it. He went out and got it.

At least a little bit. It had to get handed to him, but it wasn't like you shoot. Trevor M. Lman shot, he went out and got it. He went out and got it. He went out and got it. At least a little bit. It had to get handed to him, but it wasn't like you was just like, all right, well nobody, nobody came and got it. If Billy Casper shot even par on the back in one, 100% crowning. Yes. He didn't.

Well, I would say it's not a shot. Shot in the middle. It sounds like there are two spots in that back nine where there was a multiple shot swing. Yeah. Which to me indicates a non-crowning. Oh, yeah, well, that's good. I'm just asking the question.

That's not it. And I appreciate that. Can I say something really dumb? Sure. That people are going to hate, but. Listen, it's a pleaser. Flores years. So you started talking about going for the record

with the six shot lead. And for most of my life, I would have looked at them. And that's so dumb, just be disciplined, just hit eye, play it safe, blah, blah, blah. I will say, like, just playing a little bit of tournament at golf, the event that I was playing, I had like, I probably, I thought like a six shot lead playing the 18th hole.

And my instinct was like, I don't wanna win by five. Like, it was just like, I don't know how to describe it, but it wasn't like, the task in front of me is no longer the task in front of me. It's like, this is what, like, I'm testing myself now. And Arnie had to feel like, I don't know how to describe it, but it wasn't like the task in front of me is no longer the task in front of me. It's like, this is what I'm testing myself now. And Arnie had to feel like, you know, I'm not playing the field. I'm playing my own game, blowing it probably

in an inner his mind and the idea of like, this is where my mind is now focused. Doesn't sound as crazy and dumb and wrecked. It doesn't sound as reckless to me as it might have at one time. Yeah, and I think that's fair. And I get the needing to keep motivation to avoid complacency and all that stuff. Let's go get three more. Let's go get three more, exactly.

I think what makes it so shocking is the fact that there was no way, like once it starts to turn, there's no way to hit the emergency break. Yeah, exactly. And be like, you know what? okay, now I just wanna win. Now let's just win, now let's just play this, like it's quick save, like once it goes, it's, you're going to the wrong, it's a pick six baby, it's going the other way.

No, no, no, no, no, no, as soon as you release that ball in the outpost. Exactly, corners jump the route. No, no, no, no, no. Two shots swings are the turnovers. So there's some interesting quotes out there from like Casper and another golfer's too. I'm like, yeah, no, no, no, no. The two shot swings are the turnovers. So there's some interesting quotes out there from like Casper and another golfer's too. I'm like, yeah, no, that pretty much,

that pretty much rectum that day. Like he was not the same after that. He went and still won, I think, another 12 PGA tour events or something after that, but never another major. So that was a beautiful thing. Thank you, Mr. Pie. Please, my pleasure. Next up.

Who is it? Who is it me? I don't remember you. Either way, I'm happy to go if you'd like. Go ahead, Randy. Okay. Four years. We gotta separate us murdering the Aussies here.

Just spread it out a bit. No, he's gonna put a gun to the head of a Nazi. Unless you're doing a Nazi too. Yeah, I know, we call. Yeah, we still know who kneels down. So we'll leave that suspense. Mr. Adam Scott, the 2012 British Open, let me before I get into it, I'm curious,

it's a little bit of a, like I kind of remember watching it, but I don't really remember that much detail. So I don't know if I'm alone in that. Do you guys remember that much? Do you remember it vividly? It was actually, I was thinking about doing this one

until you claimed it because I jumped in my head first and it's like, oh man, I want to check that out because I don't remember it well, but I do remember it being brutal, I guess. I vividly remember the 18th hole, which obviously we won't jump. We won't leap frog any year research, but I remember having some very complicated thoughts about that.

I remember diving back into it before I went to Lhythm, was kinda like, all right, I wanna, you know, when I get to these spots, I wanna see where history unfolded. And I just remember it being like, it just didn't feel like a choke or a gag to me. It was just a slow bleed.

It was like, this is hard. This is a hard one too, holy crap. Like a little mistake here and you're gonna make bogey. And he just kept happening, like the odds of it keep happening were so low. And then 18 was kinda like, okay, that was the one that, yeah, you probably shouldn't have let that happen. But, sorry if I got, I spoiled too much.

No, no, no, that's great. That's a great set up. It's that we're going to Royal Lithome in St. Anne's, which obviously you've played, I think, I haven't, yeah. Cause that was one of the things I'm curious about. The course doesn't stand out for me at all, but from reading about it, like it starts with a part three. Apparently that week, compared to previous opens there,

they had narrowed a ton of the holes, which the groundskeeper like still disputed, even though I was deep in like Jeff Schackleford's like aerial photography showing. They narrowed a bunch of fairways. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drew the Ruffa. Is it a funky course though?

Is it? It's not funky. It's just like, it's him-din. I mean, you're like in a neighborhood, more so than you are a lot of traditional links courses. It's not set on the sea. Like there's just been building, like there's no views of the sea the whole time.

And so there's building in like a road behind the par three, the opening hole, and that's pretty much the parking lot. Then you're all houses and a train track that runs down the right side and you get to this far point of the property and there's these little apartments in it. Just this rarely tight little nook and cranny and you turn back around. It's got some funk to it. It's not traditional out and back. When you start coming in on the back nine,

the holes really start to zigzag in. And no matter what direction the wind is in, you are gonna be chasing, or like facing some very challenging shots. So like at the old course, if the wind is coming, I forget which direction it is, but if you're downwind on the back nine, you're downwind basically the whole back nine almost,

except for essentially number 10. So you can just kind of ride the wind coming in. This is like, no, it's quartering off the left here. Now it's into you off the right. Now it's down off the left. And it's just, if your game isn't really tight, it's gonna get exposed. At the wind changes, you're saying.

No, the holes change. Okay. So the holes direction changes. So at St. Andrews, you're coming in all down the same direction. And a decent, like Mirafield's really good at changing directions and stuff. So you're going to face kind of some of those same challenges. But Lhythm is just, it's not a, like, it's not a long, long course. It's just, I don't know how to

describe it. It's really tough shots. There's so many bunkers. I think at this time, there's probably 250, like they've taken some out. There's like over 250 bunkers for around this time, the 2012 open. And they're small, but everything feeds into them. Like it is huge mounds around them. So it looks pretty innocuous, like from the fairway. And then you hit a shot up on a hill and it's like, no, that's going in. That's not stopping till it gets in a bunker. You have to be in total control.

I'm surprised Kat hasn't had more success there to be honest. Is this spectacular painting of the picture? To help me place it. Does it include my friends? Is this where Wuzman had the two stroke penalty? Yes. On the opening part three, right? Yeah, okay.

Well, he identified on the second hole because he didn't hit drive rough one. He had two drivers in the bag, which is an incredible clip to go back and watch. You have one job to do and you couldn't do it. Like, yell as Adam on the second team. What do you guys think of opening Part 3? It'll live them. It works. That's awesome. Yeah, it's quirky. I'm kind of associated with like, Nicholas designs.

Like, really? Well, like, or like, random. No, I guess the not opening Part 3's, but Part 3's in like on 18, like, Part 3's in random places. I don't know why. When I was growing up in Atlanta, there were a couple of course I put at Lannaginier Golf, and a couple of Nicholas courses were on the Rota, and they had like, you know, just like weird layouts like that.

It just kind of, that's how I associated it as a kid. I feel like the opening links part three, especially, it feels like a punch in the nuts. Oh, no, I think it's sweet, really? I don't know. I just, I feel like you gotta be so much, maybe, it feels like a punch in the nuts. Oh, no, I think it's sweet, really? I don't know. I just, I feel like you gotta be so much, maybe I'm totally wrong, but, seems like a lot of the, you know,

more American style part three, you just kinda can hit it around the green, whereas maybe I just think about Kill Spindy, which is awesome. When we played there and I hit it in that bunker, because I made like one, like a horrible swing on the first hole and then all of a sudden made like triple because you're in a pop bunker,

first thing of the day. Randy made birdie. He's top of the tree. What would you like to hear on my experience? No, Pacific Grove. Yeah. Opening part three. Exactly. I shake it out of balance.

I do agree with you. You can fake a driver more than you can fake like a six iron or five iron off the opening tee. Much better explanation of what I drive around like Yeah, I can find the club phase. I who knows where it's going, but it'll get out there. Yeah, all right So like you said part 70 just over 7,000 yards. It's playing in in 2012 very tame weather rounds one and two Not much wind Adam Scott goes out and shoots a course record tying 64 and not sure if that course record still stands That was one better than a and shoots a course record tying 64. I'm not sure if that course record still stands.

That was one better than a trio, including I always like to look at the names in these early rounds. Zach Johnson, Nicholas Colzarts and Paul Lowry. Two better than Mr. Brandt, Snettaker and three better than a whole host of people, Rory, Tiger and Ernie. Snettaker was bucking it this time. He was playing so well every week.

Yeah. I remember that on either Friday or Saturday that he was leading. I remember vividly being like, oh, if he's for sure gonna win this. So, like, so cool, Brandt's finally gonna pull through, and that quickly didn't happen.

Can I run through the odds real quick just because I love time-setting? Yeah, please. Opening odds, Tiger 8 to 1, Westwood 12 to one Luke Donald 16 to one Padre Carrington 16 to one Rory 20 to one Francesco Molinaria, Graham McDowell, Justin Rose, Martin Kimer Phil, Ricky and Sergio all 33 to one Adam Scott 40 to one Ernie 40 to one. Maybe Stenker was bucking as much as I thought. Well, no, he, well, he certainly bucked in round two.

He tied the 64. So Snetaker took one shot league going into the weekend. Scott played really well. He's one shot back at nine under. And then four back as Snetaker then is Tiger and Solo third. We'll keep tabs on Ernie. He is seven back. He's at minus three total going into the weekend.

So we come out round three, kind of the same story, except that Stennecker is on the struggle bus. He gets on it early and comes in struggles to a 73. So that's kind of the end of the week for Mr. Stenneads. Adam Scott shoots a 68, everything's going really well. He's now got a four shot lead after the third round over the aforementioned Brent Snetaker. And now GMAC is in the mix, seven under.

Tigers lurking, he's six under, five shots back of Adam Scott. Ernie is in a group at five under, which is six shots back going into the final round. Adam Scott was only minus 150 going into the final round and Ernie was 22 to 1. But I would, four shot lead only minus 150, that's surprising to me.

Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think at this time, Adam Scott has not won a major. Certainly, I think GMAC is in the full Bulldog stage. You couldn't call him a favorite, but I think if maybe the prevailing thought was, hey, if somebody's gonna come win this, it's probably gonna be McDowell.

And the cat is, at least one a couple times already that season. That's very true. The cat is right there as well. But hasn't really, I'm trying to remember, apart from those masters, hasn't really contended hardcore on like a Sunday in a major.

What's that? What's that? Oh, what's that? What's that? I could be wrong, but I remember that being feeling very significant that the cat was so close because we're still waiting for him to get over the hump and would go on to wait for another eight years.

So we had to Sunday, the winds freshen a little bit. Certainly nothing apocalyptic, weather-wise. And so I think that's solid. That was great background info of that. Even with the winds freshening just a little bit, it starts to create all kinds of quartering winds and the way the course is set up and laid out. It just forces a lot of

it's just more difficult. It's so uncomfortable. Yeah, even potentially get gusted. Yeah, you can get gusted on very quickly. Uh, so Scott Bogie's the first toll. Again, he's got a foreshot league going into Sunday. Uh, he comes out. He bogies the first toll. toll, but he's fine. Bounces back with a birdie on two. We're golding. Yeah, we're fine. Grammack Dow drops a shot on two.

Ernie Hales drops a shot on two. He is comfortably in command. Scott goes on, it's not a great front nine. He shoots two over par, but in relation to everybody else, I mean, Ernie shoots two over par on the front nine, Sennacher shoots four over par on the front nine, Tiger shoots three over par on the front nine, GMAC shoots two over par on the front nine. So it's not, it's not a standout. So he's still leading by four. He's in fact he's leading by four shots. That's correct. We can now confirm at this point. This just here now comfortable confirming that. So he leads by four.

And that's over G-Mac. He leads by six over L's at the turn. And he leads by six over S's at the turn. And he leads by six over Sinettacern Woods and others. And I didn't realize Ernie was that far back. So yeah, so that's my point is we're nine holes through championship Sunday and Adam Scott is in control. So we head to the back nine. Ernie L's is of course playing in front of Adam Scott. So let's highlight L Elzes back nine first.

And this is where every collapse seemingly has to also coincide with somebody playing really well to be in a position. It's the duality, if you will, of a collapse. And that's all credit to Ernie. That's what he did. He shot a four under, bogey free back nine, and would eventually get in the clubhouse at seven under. Are we, maybe you guys can help me place this,

we're in the throes of like mega, I won't call him Yips, but lots and lots of short misses from Ernie at this point, right? Yes. Especially on the PGA tour, that's a thing that's going on at this point and he has gone to The belly putter right this is this is pre anchoring ban This is complete sweepstakes with the with the long putter. I remember that being a theme of this as well as every time He had a short putt. It was kind of like there's no way he's gonna keep making all these and he kind of seem like he did

Yes, and he's kind of in a dark spot overall with his game. He's 42 years old, I believe, at the time. Doesn't have a significant win in quite some time. And is really on kind of an edge of, hey, I mean, they're gonna get a win and really have this flourish to my forties or things are kind of going away quickly here. And so that's a good backdrop. Of course, Adam Scott is 32, he hasn't won a major,

he's chasing that first major. I think the British open for non-US Americans is right at the top of the list, right? I think we probably... It was a bigger deal than he is now almost. In terms of, has it won a major? than like he is now almost in terms of like hasn't won a major like here is the guy. When is he going to win one exactly so forgotten about it but agree it's a different conversation but Adam Scott's idol which we'll get to later on with

Sali was Craig Norman. So to set the steam set the scene with this back nine. So this is from Bill Pennington's New York Times to set the scene of Adam Scott. When Adam Scott was 15 years old, he watched a monumental golf collapse on television and cried. And that of course is Greg Norman, the 1996 masters, which Saul is going to really color in for us a bit later. But that's his hero, right? And that's like one of his early defining moments is Norman's huge collapse. So how does this happen? Well, let's dive into the back nine. The first thing we need to know is Adam Scott, So he is completely in control. He goes to the 14th hole and he makes a birdie. Oh, we're good. We're so good.

We are golden. He's of course, L's is ahead of him. So in real time with Scott birding 14, L's is at minus six at that point. So Adam Scott goes to the 15th tee with a four shot lead, four holes remaining four shot lead. He's got it. I still think he's going this. He's got it, right? He's got it. Well, in fact, he doesn't have. What if I told you he doesn't got it. And this is what's really interesting, and I'll get into some of his quotes, but it's as simple as he bogeed 15, he bogeed 16,

he bogeed 17, he bogeed 18. And he finishes at minus six, Ernie rolled in a birdie put on 18 to get to minus seven, and that's that. Yeah, I think there's a lack of an iconic shot in the water, or, you know, leaving one in the bunker. 18 was a tough, like, I forget exactly how it played out, but it's, he didn't choose the right club off the tee, basically.

He brought it, he had a club that brought a certain bunker into play and he hit it right in the bunker and had to chip outside ways. Yeah. Hit it to eight feet and had a look to get into the playoff. But he had to write, he hits such a good shot in after chipping it out. That doesn't feel iconic. No.

You know, like, when a guy, you know, hits it. There's no van development. Yeah. It's like, oh my God. He's really, this is happening. Yeah. He didn't, you know, wasn't hacking around in the, in the bushes and lose a golf ball. And then miraculously find the golf ball. Even though somebody found a golf ball marked similarly in the coming days, like some unknown person to the right of the 16th green, back in the something, Gary Player, she, all right. Go read that story, something weird happened in the rough to the right of, I think, like the 16th hole

or something like that. I didn't want to beg out of two, but there was a quote from Gary Player out this 1966 US Open about what the winning score was gonna be, it was like 10 shots off what it actually was. So let's, I found the most interesting quotes to actually be from Graham McDow, who was Scott's playing partner. Adam Scott is like, as they usually are, by the way. Yeah, they're usually where the best quotes come from. Well, and I think to set the stage is like, Adam Scott, I think what's almost most memorable

about this collapse is the fact that it's not that memorable. And I think Adam Scott's natural personality and demeanor and the way he just accepted what happened goes a long way in that like, we don't have the Mikkelson on such an idiot or the Van Develle, like, complete chaos of the moment. And so I did want to point that out, is that it's almost

memorable in the fact that it's, like, not that memorable. And that's to Adam Scott's personality. And I think credit, although as a fan, it's like, give me a little something like club or something. Yeah, exactly. There was just no, like, you idiot! Yeah, it's like, give me a little something like club or something. Yeah, exactly. There was just no like, you idiot. Like it's just, everyone's like, come on man, you can do this.

It just barely kept going wrong. Yeah. So the 15th hole was very difficult and Scott makes bogey and there's nothing really remarkable except it was a tough hole and he made bogey. And so we get in a GMAC here on the 16th, which Scott has a three shot lead. The 16th was kind of a shorter,

as Bill Pennington says, in his article, more accommodating part four. And Scott has a three foot par put on the hole, which of course he missed, to which GMAC says, that putt almost went in, but it didn't. I'm sure there was like a different way. He said that, but just reading that quote on, you know, in black and white was like,

oh, yeah, well, I guess he kind of describes almost every putt. Yeah. Like technically could have gone in. Yeah, right. He's either reservoir dog thing, or he's like, well, I don't, you know, either he's dead or he isn't,

or the cops got him or they did. I don't know. It's a three foot par pot. The par pot almost went in, but it didn't. So he bogeys 16 and then we come to 17 and that's where he stripes a drive GMAC talking. He hit the most beautiful drive down the middle of the next fairway on 17. And for his second shot into 17, Scott has about 175 yards to the whole.

The wind is blowing hard off of his right and the pins kind of set left and there's trouble left. So essentially you don't want to miss the left because you're going to be short-sighted. Again, McDowell says he had half of England right of that pin on the 17th green. And so Scott, I believe, takes a six iron and immediately upon impact yells get down. And I think if there's one shot that probably is like the most squirrely is this one because the miss is right. There's no excuse to throw that ball outright as far as possible and he misses left and is in trouble.

And so he doesn't get up and down for par. He makes another bogey on 17. McDowell when he misses that shot on 17, McDowell says it was at that moment that the alarm bell started to ring. I thought hold on, we may have a problem here. So this is great. I mean, McDowell's like witnessing this in real time. And I'm glad he gave all these quotes afterwards.

This is all that Bill Pennington's New York Times story. But it's great to like, I can just like picture that situation like, okay, things are good. Yeah, he's gonna win. Oh, shit, we got a problem. Yeah. So that makes 18 is going gonna be dead into the win. If the win's coming off the right on 17,

if I remember the layout right. So that's someone now he's standing on 18T, like, oh shit, now I'm going into the win and I'm bleeding all over the place. Which I think makes sense, cause didn't he hit driver when everyone was saying to hit less than driver? Well, from the story, and that could be,

from the story it says, the previous three rounds on 18, Scott had hit three wood once, but an iron twice. Sunday he went with the three wood and hit it too hard. It was a good, you know, it was in the fairway, but the ball kept rolling until it found the sand of one of the 250 some odd pop bunkers. To which he had no choice but to play outside ways.

So at this point and up ahead, L's had birdied 18 already. So he's in the clubhouse at seven under amazing putt by Ernie. Yeah. Scott's team off 18 finds this pop bunker at seven under. He has to chip out and now it gets like, oh, shit, he's got to get up and down just to tie this all of a sudden. Scott's team off 18 finds this pop bunker at seven under. He has to chip out and now it gets like, oh shit, he's gotta get up and down just to tie this all of a sudden. He hits a wedge about eight feet, which great shot.

But then the putt and this is, I think what I remember most about watching in real time is this 18th, the wedge shot and then the putt and the putt like had no chance. And Scott even said the putt never really had a chance and that's very discouraging. It's not what I wanted out of today. He goes on to say, but I'm still young

and I hope to get more chances. I learned a long time ago to look for positives. And so yeah, it was like. He's using apologies. Yes. He's using the first time. And he's looking to become, that's a good point, something I failed to mention.

He's looking to become the first putter ever to win a major using a long putter. Which he didn't now, of course, the really long putter, the real long putter, the broomstick. He was, he got his forehead. Was Keegan the first belly putter? Yes, the year before.

Yeah. So that's, I mean, that's the collapse in the nutshell. And honestly, and this is where I go back to, I was hoping to find some quotes or some anecdotes and what you quickly realize without him, Scott is like, another just isn't anything. He talked, he said, obviously he's disappointed. It's not the end of the world. And he kind of went on with things.

I think the other telling thing is, almost one, but he didn't. Yeah, exactly. Ernie L's is extremely gracious in winning. And I think, and I kind of remember this as well in real time in that, like Ernie's not really celebrating. You can tell he, he feels almost just as bad for Scott as he feels good that, okay, I just won the British Open. So it kind of casts this cloud really over his victory, which, you know, isn't Ernie's fault, but I remember in the moment thinking like,

yeah, it's done feel like a normal, yeah, kind of victory scene. So, like, this gots credit on the, he showed some passion, fire, winning the Masters. Two majors later. Yeah, so that was, that was an iconic in the rain. Come on Ozzy. Which I doubt that masters happens if this heartbreak doesn't exist.

I remember after the press conference and watching him, I remember just being sick to my stomach. I was like, I feel so bad for this guy. I remember walking away from him and being like, oh, he's okay. He's not down on himself and kicking himself and crying up there. Like he, he, he, he can, that guy can handle this. Yeah, he might be the most interesting man in the world. Yeah.

Yeah. Which we always kind of bang on the, you know, the class acts tour and how it would be a lot more fun if some of these guys were, you know, if you wanted to root against guys or whatever. But I remember that was like, there's nobody in the world rooting against Adam Scott or against Ernie L's. Right. Yeah, it I remember that was like, there's nobody in the world rooting against Adam Scott or against Ernie L's. Right.

Yeah, it was very much just like, ah, yeah, that sucks if one of them had to brutally lose this, but I guess the other one I'd like to, so whatever. But to your point, Randy, like, I'm just called you Phil. It's been very weird. To your point, it like, yeah, just felt very empty, like very anticlimactic, even though it was

extremely exciting. Yeah. And so just the finishing touches here, one thing to note is the Australian sports book, which you saw in bed, you set up those odds at the beginning of my part. Sports betting online today announced that management is refunding all players who lost money betting on Adam Scott.

And the quote from Dave Johnson, their heads outmaker said, quote, with so many of the favorites, including Woods, not caching, it was a good day for sportsbooks. But that wasn't the case for those who dropped money on Scott. We feel it's our duty to refund the players for taking such a bad beat. His collapse was historic and we know the betters who had him must feel as awful as he does. Whoa, I've never heard that. Yeah, so the Australian sportsbook at least refunded the people who had had bought an Adam Scott.

Did they do that for Greg Norman too? So your money's, your money's no good. No good, that's, yeah. Well that was unbelievable. So yeah, so that's, you know, hopefully a little bit more detail or some clarity around the 2012 British Open.

I think to your point, I'll, I real quick, the everybody always lumps, Rory's collapsed at the masters with his US Open win and that breakthrough. And I don't think we'd like always necessarily at the Masters with his US Open win and the breakthrough. And I don't think we always necessarily do the same with Adam Scott. I think either his Masters win gets mildly forgotten, which is weird, because it was historically amazing, but also the massive collapse gets kind of uncoupled a little bit too.

Why do I feel like you just teased what Neil's about to go in on? Oh, I don't know. We could have said no. We got to do an honorable mention of all the great collapses, actually. if you just teased what Neil's about to go in on. Oh, I don't know. No, he's sitting his head and now. We gotta do an honorable mention of all the great types of assholes. I thought you're gonna do Rory in 2011. No, I'm not. I thought about it, but I'm not.

Like Randy's, I struggled a little bit. He's good at TC. I could have done. No, I'm not. I'm not. I was stuck between release patterns a little bit, but I'm going firmly with one of them. And like Randy, I struggled with good quotes on this one because there

wasn't a ton of good characters going on. So I'm going to open with a quote though. This is from the post Gazette. Also very good with the SEL. Yes. Which I was like, I guess it is the post Gazette like one of the top newspapers in the world. How do they have all these historical golf articles? Where's that out of? It's burger. It's burger I think. So quote. So, quote. So what else are we talking about Oakmont? Quote, his golf swing is so fluid and his rhythm is so good and he does everything so well.

Quote by a soon to be NLU podcast guest. Jimmy Boy, Olin Brown. Olin Brown quote, on the guy that collapsed. Of course we were talking about the 2005 US Open at... Oh, Jason Gore? Jason Gore? No. Riteef? Riteef, goose.

Oh, there's a lot of collapses there. That's my point. So there it is. This is in a Mansky. This is a three-for-one special. So it's at Pinehurst number two, pre-restoration. Second time, the US Open's been at Pinehurst. First time, obviously, one-by-pane Stewart. Didn't realize they had never been a pine-hurst. First time obviously one

bite of painstead. Didn't realize they never had been there before because they felt like it was too rural and not close enough to a big city. Yeah, the winner. Michael Campbell. You know, maybe the forgotten man. Instagram. US Open winners. You look at any list of... We didn't touch them. Was Ernie L's crowned by the way. I think Ernie L's was crowned. He shot back nine thirty one percent. What percent crowning? Like an 80 percent crowning. Back nine thirty one. I know it. No, thirty two, which is great. Or yeah, maybe thirty one part seventy, sorry. It was a crowning. This Campbell was the mega crowning though he did hold off the cat who finished his solo second. Both of them them shot 69 in the final round

But I think those were news, the land. Yes. See the only Samoan shirt. Yes in the final round Maybe he played a one under in and you know finishes but he starts the start conditions were tough starts the final round I think seven or eight shots back. Who could say that? So to go through it, there's a few different ones. I think the themes here are, it's the end of the Ice Man, right? It's the end of the goose.

So he's a two-time US Open winner, one 2004, and my recollection of Ritef goose from it's like, God, this guy's unflappable. He just is so boring and he can't, he's just not gonna blow it and it's just gonna be like, slow and steady. Oh, oh, oh, oh, two and oh four, right? Oh, I think oh, one and oh four. Oh, one and oh four. Yeah, so this is going for his back to back.

Just so this haters and losers don't come after you. Michael Campbell's is morey, not some moment. Oh, okay. Well, I thought I was looking at, I was talking about the shirt. Well, if they do, we recognize that he's morey. That's my mistake thought I was looking at I was talking about the shirt. Well if they do we recognize that he's More that's my mistake. I was just kind of described might be a Simone shirt It might be yeah, but that's fair

You're I should confirm the shirt honestly the shirt is something I would wear. It's awesome I just your persona non grotto in Scotland. I know I know I got a lot of it so I The bottom line is the shirt is sweet. Let's get to the root. That's the point of what I said, okay? No offense to anyone. The, so you have to end the goose.

You have the heartbreak kid, Jason Gore. So, Ritev Goose and what is the end of the US open that year, World Ranking? Three. Seven. Five. Five. Boom. So he's a fifth rank player in the world. I was gonna say three. Uh, seven, five, five. Boom.

So he's a fifth rank player in the world. I was going to say three. He's, I'm glad I put three. I mean, he's going for his third straight. He's, he's at, you know, probably is the peak of his career in this season. He finishes the season of 2005. He finishes T11. So, you know, there's no secret here.

But he finished, that was his worst major finish of the year. Let's see, he finished T3 at the Masters, T5 at the Open, T6 at the PGA. But, you know, never wins another major. Only wins two more tournaments after this. He wins the international that year and then he wins the transition championship now the Valspar. Shout out KB. Shout out in, you know, 2009, right in any light, the transition lenses. I'm not that commercial with, like, Kenny Merriott, all those guys grilling out. A store commercial. Maybe one of the best. I think that made its way into an NLU preview. They're grilling out. They got the sunglasses out and they walk in the door. They switched

it. It's the best. So what a great commercial if you're still replying to. I'm proud winner of the transition championship. This last last last professional win. So Gore, you know, the storyline, Gore comes in, qualifies, I think opening qualifying, gets his car broken into like all his worldly possession. Because is he sleeping in the car at this point?

I don't know, he was in a hotel. Because I was watching the YouTube recap and his wife comes in from the car, she's crying, she's like everything's gone, his braids, like ripped out, so he doesn't have his credentials or anything and all the security guards are like, who are you dude, you're not playing? And so he has to call like the officials,

you can hardly get in the gates and then he goes out and just, he's just ballin' out and basically rounds one through three. How old is he at this point? Do we do? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. So, first round leaders,

Olin Brown and Rocco at minus three, second round, Olin Ritef and Jason Gore at minus two. And then third round Ritef is three shots clear, minus three, who's it even par? I think it's Jason Gore. Gore was 31, by the way. Thank you. Olin Brown, Jason Gore at even and Michael Campbell, Mark Hensby are at plus one, going in the final round. And Gooseon, he birdies the last three holes on Saturday. So he, he, Manskees,

back to back to back and just takes all the momentum into to the Sunday. So think about that, right? Like you got a guy that won it the year before. He's known as being at least in my mind the ice man. It's like, then this is over. Like it was a foregone conclusion. Yeah, it is. It's going to waltz.

It's the guy is just, he's just going to walk right to the, to the trophy. How he won those US opens just making six footer, six footer, six footer, six, like on repeat. We know I've definitely had a, had a yes, six footer, six, like on repeat. We know a devil had a yes putter because of it. Yeah, he had no emotion either, right? He's just kind of a quick wave and yeah, go ahead, ready. No, a couple of things. One, I think it's important to point out he was struck by lightning.

I always really enjoyed that anecdote. And you have to want like, did that change his personality? No, they said it's just personality. Because he apparently was very fiery when he was younger, which is fascinating. Yeah. No, they say it's just personality because you apparently was very fiery Yeah, which is fascinating. Yeah, I don't say that flippantly and then the other thing about Gore When I was looking up his age here just a quick shout out one of his main haunts was Vista Valencia Yeah, with Matt Mac talk about that. I won't really Max that he's about to play with with Gore out there So he was he was beating up like the California stadiums

and I thought you were talking about Ritef Goose. So I'm like, get out of here. Really? No, Jason Gore, yes. He set up the junior program. He did all that. Yeah, yeah. All that stuff I got.

So you can only imagine, you know, they were both hangin' up. A young friend. And they filmed the office there too. that stuff I got. So you can only man, you know, they were both hangative. A young and they filmed the office there too. Max Homo was probably in the, uh, the snack shack with the, you know, getting his orange pop and burger watching. Orange freeze. I could US open. So and I, if one of you at,

Sully, if you can look up, I don't know the odds of, I can do that. I think that would help place. I could be one Michael Campbell getting crowned too. Like what the, you know, maybe what Vegas thought of how much of a foregone conclusion would be. Michael Campbell was killing it on the international scene, leading into this. He would be one of the people that solid would be railing his

for being a no WGR manipulator and then he came in and won. And then he got crowned. He was fluffering. So Michael Campbell was believe it or not, six to one to win the US Open. That's why. On because he was not listed. On what all?

And was part of the field. Wow. How about that? That's unreal. What was Tiger 4-1, fill 8-1, Ernie L's 9-1, VJ 9-1, Reteaf 12. I wonder if all the US bookmakers gave people their money back after Michael Campbell won.

I'm sure they did. This was an oversight by us and this is just not fair to you guys. So final round, it's the goose and Jason Gore paired with each other and it's over before it starts. I think goose and doubles the first hole. He drops six shots in the first nine holes. And then starting on 12, he cards five straight bogeys to shoot 81 and finish 11th. I think the final group got dropped and covered.

They did, no, 100%. And then paired with Goose and Jason Gorshatt, 14 over 84. And then of the three, three of these. I mean, it was just a complete vaporization. The three of the four in the two final groups shot 80, Olin Brown shot, shot over 80. So Olin Brown shot 80 as well.

And then Michael Campbell shot 69. Can you imagine the, I'm just trying to put myself like, playing in that final group, the energy in that final group. Yeah. How much fun I was not having, right? When you're just getting kicked in the teeth at Pinehurst and you know, the guy your playing was getting kicked like that had to be like, there's that part.

It's like Gore, Gore's getting deep, you know, he's chipping, rolling back to his feet on number three. And then his quote is like, yeah, you know, once I dropped two shots on the first three, I started, I was like, I got to go get it now. And he just, I got to get aggressive. And that's not what you do on that. Because he cue those gonipal barriers. That's what he's like, yeah, yeah, that's not what you can do on number two. I think I'm gonna start pressing.

So that's in the YouTube, that's, yeah. US Open highlights. It's like, oh, no, no, no, you can't do that. So he just starts trying to flag it and it doesn't go well. And basically the highlight show on the front night, Gusson's like, leave him 50 foot putts like 15 feet short and just kind of like shaking his head. It's just, you know, it's really, it's just not your day. Yeah, I mean he and his quote, like, so to your point, like his quote after I was like, I played like rubbish.

He's just like, yeah, I gasped it. I blew it. Like, you know, that's it. The guy doesn't have much to say. So, but at least they had the cat charging. So cat makes three birdies on the back nine, shoot 69. That's right. Right. So there was some drama to the tournament.

Michael Campbell makes an awesome birdie on 17, hits a great shot, and then there's a good highlight of his putt, like rolling end over end with the line. You know, it's just like, it's going in from the start, it's like a 20 footer. But I think the combination of Kusin and Gore collapsing, you got like the heartbreak of the people's champion Gore. Everyone's, like, Gore also is quoted in that video saying,

like, we're coming off the first tee, and everyone's just chanting my name, not one person is chanting for Riteef Goosen. She's like, I almost felt bad, right? So you have like, so I shoot 84, no. So he's like, everybody's devastated that gore just, you know, completely vaporizes himself, and then Riteef Goosen and they both just, you know,

free fall down the leaderboard. And then on top of that, it was a Felix Baumgarten. Yeah, I'm coming home. I'm coming home. And then, but you so combine that with how unexpected it is from a guy like Goosey and then how it almost basically like ends his career. Not ends his career because he ends up having a good year,

but that's kind of like you don't really hear much from him after that. Your collapse is the only one that's quick and fast. That's what I mean. It's like the first race of a grand prix. Yeah, so every racing in Ponder. Oh my gosh! There's a crash on the first turn. Hockey bag, no.

That's a such a good observation. Neil, I want to hark him back to what I said at the beginning of this, is that you play a lot better golf than me, and that's why you're in the position to crumble a lot more. So let me preface it with that, but that observation is so good that I can't think of one time where Neil's ever been like, God, I'm almost holding it together, man, and I've been the fight of my life, and I'm just, I'm really battling Neil's ever been like, I'm almost holding it together, man, and I've been the fight of my life, and I'm just really battling and battling about, it's just one spectacular moment. That is... That's an excellent observation.

Well, we're gonna keep pushing for that mountain top. Exactly. Your hate fuels me, Dej. I'm still laughing. No, it's purely a scholarly observation. I'm still laughing at Jason Gorset. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it.

I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it.

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I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get it. and then also combine it with the most forgotten winner of the last 40 years. It's like, oh God, then this guy, no offense to my okay, I'm way played well, but complete crowning. Is there another God? That's such a good, I'm very glad you picked this. There's a rich combination of all those things. To me it was like, that's an easy one. Is there a comp for Jason Gore at any other majors,

like the kind of like folk hero, like John Daly, but not my other one, not white that. I had a second one. And we could talk about it in honorable mention, but I had Jason Duffner at the 2012. That's interesting. TGA. 2011, which we attended at the Atlanta Athletic Club.

That's right. And I remember seeing him on, I think we were on 7 or 8, we watched him tee off. And I think I said something to you and try and like, who is this guard? Like, I like his, like, I love his waggle. Like, this guy, I'd never heard of him. And I was immediately like, I'm rooting for this guy. And he came out of nowhere under dog.

That one did kind of enough attention. No, totally. It's got five jokes. Five on 15. Yeah. And he watches Kegan, hit it in the bunker, thin it into the water, triple bogey, and then he steps up and hits it in the water, it makes double, and then from there,

he just kind of slowly bleeds it out. That's a sweet tournament. Yeah, and Kegan went to play off. The playoffs, sweet though. They actually started throwing darts. So that was, that was, yeah, that's it. Well done, that was a lot of, that was awesome. All right, well, we are going to, as T's in the beginning,

we are going to be discussing maybe the most famous collapse of, I would say the defining collapse of our generation. As far as us as golf fans, when you think of a golf collapse, I think of Norman at the Masters. I don't know where you guys fall in that. It's interesting. It's at our vannevelled. I think for me.

Vannevelled for me, I feel like, yeah, I can't remember watching this live. Yeah. That's where I'm at. I remember, I think, academically, I agree with you, but I also can't remember sitting there and watching it. I think when you say, like, what comes to mind, it would be more like Rory for me at the master's.

Well, maybe that I would, I just, or speak, or speak too. Or speak, right? Those are probably my top three. Well, I think what Van develle's a good example there, but for Norman, this was basically the end. I mean, this was like, all right, it's time for you to finally do it. The speed collapse again doesn't fit the narrative

because he wanted the year before and he won a major after that. But this was like, all right dude, this is your time and it didn't happen and it was so much build up. Van Develle came out of nowhere and this was like, all right dude, this is your time and it didn't happen and it was so much build up. Van de Vel came out of nowhere and this was like anticipation, it is time to watch the coronation of Greg Norman and it didn't happen, it really did not.

So let's go back to 96. Going in, he's the number one player in the world. I think he is, I actually didn't even look that up. Nine. Nine. Nine to one who could say a situation. Nine to one favorite. I hope the Scott's jump on.

Nine to one favorite, Nick Fowl, second on the board at 12 to one along with Ernie Ls. So, first thing I found out that I did not know, did not know, maybe I just forgot it, it's been 24 years. Wednesday before the tournament begins. Norman's back is so bad he can only take half swings on the golf course.

Cuts his practice session short. He would later credit Fred Couples' physical therapist with an 11th hour visit that would address the issues that we're plaguing him all week long. So. Interesting. Going in to this. All of the fits that same doctor was working on Fino.

What do you eat? Shattered, it's an angel. He's a charler. The par three. It's Mr. Miyagi. So when you were talking about Arnold Palmer coming into the 66 US Open claiming he wasn't putting well,

maybe this is kind of revisionist history of like, all right, what were the signs that things weren't great? But this was the first thing I thought it was like, his health wasn't quite there. So he hadn't been practicing, you know, full speed. I don't think going up into it. And so we go fast forward to Thursday. The LA Times describes Greg Norman's opening round as follows.

He looked like a pirate with his blonde hair flowing, his black hat shoved down on his head, and the sun gleaming off his silver irons that could have easily been broad swords. There we go. There, there was Greg Norman swaggering through a guston national, on opening day at the masters, cutting the place down to size, and sailing off with the first round lead.

Super committed to the pirate metaphor. He opens with six straight bars, and birdies nine of his last. Sorry. Seems like a laugh. If you're going to do it, you might as well do it. We're in. We're in quote for the early times. I was. I was. That we're still six straight parts. Birdies nine of his last 12, including six of his last seven and the final two to tie the lowest round in major championship history leads Phil Mikkelson by two nine under par. So where I take from that is like, six of his last seven and the final two to tie the lowest round in major championship history

leads Phil Mickelson by two, 900 par. So where I take from that is like, oh, this kind of came out of nowhere for him. He was not necessarily lined up to play this well. And he said afterward, I just let it flow. Well, he birdied nine, nine of the last 12. To go 900 and round one. Yes. So he said afterward, I just let it flow.

When you get into that type of role I got into today, hey, let it happen, let the reins of the horse go and let him run as fast as he wants to run. A lot of metaphors can be like this. All these, all these power no room to gallop, baby. You need to start talking like this, nail on the strap wrap. Just wild metaphors.

That's, construct your feedback. All the rights of stuff down. I'll workshop with you. And another reason I wanted to make sure we covered this one is this also represents the full spectrum of golf in a four day period because he's opens with 63 and out, spoiler alert, he closes with 78.

You go on that quote of let it go, just let the horses, let it run wild, let it flow. You know eventually they're gonna run out again. Yes. Oh, they're just gonna run away. Now you can't play no more. The horses need hay. And they were being very underfed.

So it's an obvious collapse, but like, again, it is we are at the peak of golf in the beginning of this. You just not being able to find the club. I couldn't get any hay. So it's a week. Greg Norman was in fact ranked number one at this point. Thank God. Told you.

Monty was ranked number two. And I think one thing I think is important that we all understand is that this was pre-tiger. This was pre-tiger, but he was playing in this. But that's true. But really, I mean, come on, this is pre-tiger. He's what a sophomore in college? This is his last one as an AM, so yes. Right.

Junior college. No, you're a softmoring college. Junior. Okay, what pro-Actor? Yeah, that's right. Junior year. He's in the crow's nest. I think.

Is it in the crow's nest? I don't know. He might have only done that. A lot of people only do that the first time and then they're like, for one night. Yeah. They don't say like one night. It's like, okay, this sucks.

Oh really? Yeah, apparently. You're up there with like more than one person. It's like a bunk room and like a alarm clock If you have an afternoon tea time and somebody's teen off in the morning like alarm clocks go off and so Tough scene. Anyways, I guess to my V more More legend than actual like substance Friday The shark cruises through the water to a 300 par a 69 300 par Cruises through the water to a three under a part. Yeah, 69. Three under par.

Yeah, it ends up including a shot on the 12th that hits the bank and sticks. Oh, it's, is it a metaphor? Is it is time? He talks about that. There's not a metaphor. No, he talks about it. Augusta did not shave the bank that year. So Nick Fowdo shoots a 67, but Norman goes into the weekend with a four shot lead.

Norman and Fowdo are paired together in that final group, again, four shot gap for that Saturday. We had a Saturday playing with, of course, Mr. Nick Fowdo, as I just mentioned, Greg Norman shoots a 71 to Nick Fowdo's 73. He stares him down, expanding his lead to six shots. Now the fun begins. Well, sorry, don't interrupt your vibe, but Fowdo and Norman, dig it along? Yes, by all accounts.

Basically by all accounts, I could tell. But definitely rivals in this period. Rival-ish, yeah, so they've had two prior run-ins at the Open Championship. Norman had a shot at them in 1990. And it's the old course, I believe, and Fowdo got the best of him. Norman beat him. I think Fowdo finished second in 93 when Norman won, but it wasn't really like a showdown between the two of them. It's

not a bitter rivalry, but there are two of the biggest names in the game at this point. Understatement in the century, but feels like needs to be said because of how much we rip on TV. Fellow one, menace. A lot. Fellow one so much. Menace. And big myths too. Huge hands.

Unbelievable huge hands. And we'll get to some of what really makes this more interesting to rewatch than you might think it would be here in a second. But on Saturday night, again, six shot lead, Norman bumped into a steam to British golf rider, Peter Dobariner. Dobariner?

Couldn't be that- Hope the Scotch job ball hit me for that one. You better make sure you, yeah. Couldn't be that a steam, if I've never heard the name before, but- Oh, you hear that? Then a, who was then a golf digest contributor in the bathroom at Augusta National.

And Dobariner says, well Greg, not even you can fuck this up now. So that I would say, I was taking a leak, man. So that I would say, really? Oh yeah, watch me. From Rick Riley, he says, this is in his wrap up piece. If you had been there the night before, you would not have believed what would transpire in less than 24 hours. In Saturday's third round, Norman had stared down, Fowdo heroically played him head-to-head

and increased his lead from four to six shots. Afterward, Norman relaxed in the dark of Augustus' first floor locker room, the one reserved for non-champions. He had been the last one on the golf course, and the attendant had turned out the lights and gone home. Norman didn't know how to turn them back on, and he just sat there in the dark, happily drained. Your last night in this locker room, a friend,

had told him, and Norman said, damn, I hope so. So two people say this to him on Saturday night before he leaves. I want to go back to the sports writer quote, because it's a great one. And I wonder how much, if you asked him about it like now, I wonder how much Norman thinks about that moment

and I wonder how much the sports writer thinks about that moment and who's assigning more value to this interaction just for what that's worth. Okay. It could be one of those moments where the sports writer's like, oh, that's what it was. And Norman's like, I don't even remember that.

What are you talking about? Were you? I may be not. I think it, I could be wrong here, but I think it was like Norman that recounted some of this stuff as to like things that were happened that I before. But now, try to follow this one closely

because this is what, this is the stunner to me and I couldn't wait to share this with you guys. To one observer, I messed up where I got this from. So I apologize. It's from, I messed up where I got this from, so I apologize. It's from, I was reading golf digest, a lot of golf world stuff, a lot of random places. But anyways, to one observer, the Sunday implosion wasn't a surprise at all. At the beginning of the week, CBS's Peter Costas noticed that Norman was experimenting with a stronger grip on the practice range.

A grip changed to a golfer as like learning a new language. The day after Norman's opening 63, Costas noticed Norman's grip on the practice range. A grip change to a golfer is like learning a new language. The day after Norman's opening 63, Kostas noticed Norman's grip on the club had slightly weakened and he hadn't hit the ball as precisely, but still shot 69 to increase. The trend continued in the third round by Kostas' accounting, Norman's grip was back to where it was before the week began and was still missing shots to both sides of the fairway. Thanks to his chipping and putting, he still shot 71. So we're starting to get to the root of how you go from shooting 63 to shooting 78. I have no idea how much of this is revisions history blah blah. But back to it. This is a quote from Peter Cossus, where it not for some phenomenal short game

work. He could have shot 78 or 80, but as it was, he left the golf course with a six shot lead. Everybody thought he was playing better. And I saw someone reverting to form who was in trouble. You can't play any golf course with a two-way miss, and especially not a gust of national. So, on Saturday night, when walking back to the TV compound, Kostas bumps into a golf channel reporter who asked him what he thought of Norman's chances in claiming his first masters.

It was a casual exchange that Kossus thought was off the record. So he said he feared Norman was in for a long day based on his erratic ball striking in the third round. He didn't think anything of the conversation until he showed up Sunday morning and was accosted by Frank Chirkinian, then the executive producer of CBS's golf coverage and a good friend of Normans. This is a quote from Kossus, he says, Frank yells at me, did you tell the whole world that Greg was going to choke and not win the Masters?

Greg wants to put his hands on your throat. Cossus, only that's end quote. Only then did Cossus realize that his remarks about Norman's swing made their way onto the air, that the Masters leader got wind of it and called Chirkinian to complain hours before his tea time spoke to the fragile state of Norman's mind. He called Frank Chirkinian to bitch about Kossus' comments hours before his tea time on Sunday. I had not heard this.

I had no idea of this. I texted Kossus. It's already lost it. I texted Kossus about this. He's like 100% true story. He verified this. So Kossus said, I said to Frank, if all he's got to do on the most important golf day

of his life is call you, he's not in a good place. That's well said. 20 years later, Norman doesn't disagree. I know deep down Sunday morning, I wasn't feeling great. I was completely off. So now we're bridging the gap into Sunday. Frank Williams, Norman's agent at the time was so convinced his client would cruise to victory.

He had bet $10,000 on Norman to win at 14 to one odds before the tournament. Offered a $100,000 buyout on Saturday night Williams declined. He had started, which, I mean, yeah, you're basically passing up on 40k. How many is he leading back? Go to the six. Yeah, I feel pretty good, right? Until he gets to this next part, he had started eight previous majors with the Sunday lead.

He had one one of those titles, the 86th British Open. Sunday morning. Greg wakes up. God, that's a tough staff. It's all for free tough staff. God, that's a tough staff. Which gets beyond, like some bad luck in there and then you're gonna get to some things that this guy was not there mentally. Whoa.

Which he already has touched on. Sunday morning, he wakes up, his back is barking. He tells Puttraman on the way of the course, like this is not gonna be easy. I couldn't sleep. He later told sports psychologist Rick Jensen. I'm probably the only guy in the world easy. I couldn't sleep, he later told sports, psychologist Rick Jensen, I'm probably the only guy in the world who thinks, I don't know if I can hold it.

I didn't sleep a wink. I could feel it, my swing wasn't there, and I said to Butch, I was off, and Butch said, no, everything looks great, and I said no butch, it's not great, I can feel it. Butch, I can't do it, I can't hit the shot! He's like much more of a captain of a Phillip situation at this time,

than a pirate situation. Norman would also intimate later that there was a personal issue going on. I don't know if that ever came to light as to what it was. I couldn't find it, and maybe out there I didn't dig too deep to try to find it, but there's some kind of marital, personal issue going on at that time. He basically, he'd insinuated, I can't talk to you about

even to his closest people. And this is from Golf Digest and time. He's basically, he'd insinuated. I can't talk to you about even to his closest, closest people. And this is from golf digest and Sam Weinmann's book, When It Losing, How Our Biggest Setbacks Can Lead to Our Greatest Gains. It says, although Harmon could immediately detect a difference, he says his objective at that point was to try to soothe the player's nerves. When I mentioned the personal issue that Norman says he was consumed with, Harmon nods knowingly. The two men have never spoken about it, but Harmon says one day he'll get around to asking, quote, from Harmon, I've always said one night he and I are going to get drunk somewhere and I was going to say, okay, what the fuck happened Sunday? He's never told to Cady Tony Navarro and I what it was, but we know something was wrong because we were both

standing there saying, who is this guy This is not the guy who left last night. What was that book? When it losing? When it losing asking for a friend how are big My client said it Norman said his day could have been salvaged had he been honest with Harmon and Navarro about what was really going on But he never did and by the time the He missed the first fairway and route to an opening bogey, there was no turning back. He said, I should have turned to them and just purged.

It would have taken 10 minutes and it would have been over with, but I didn't do it. So the lesson there is don't harbor things internally. Don't push the elephant under the rug. Anxiety and happiness both come from within. And so you have to ask which one do you prefer? So now, like hearing all this, now think about when guys have to ask which one do you prefer? So now, like hearing all this, now think about when guys have to wait until 245 for their Sunday PM T-Time at the Masters,

like all the things that are going through your mind and all the things that are happening. And this makes me understand the speed thing in 2016 way more, whereas like he was not confident with his swing, so now you just have hours and hours to either like pound range balls to figure it out, or how do you figure it out? I don't know. We're just trying not to think about the only thing you're thinking about. Exactly. So ESPN's Dan Patrick said on Sunday, if he blows this, it will be the

colleague of ours. Biggest collapse in modern golf history. So as you mentioned, Norman Bogie's the opening hole, but he birdies the second. And I'm sure I'm sure Norman was watching, like, probably support center or whatever when he said that. Probably called the ESPN producer to bitch about it. But Fowdo also birdies the second, so the lead is five. And after Pars on the third, Norman has this to say about the fourth.

Happened on that Sunday when I reflect on it was like the shot into the fourth hole, the par three. And I thought I'd put a good swing on it. When the ball came up, sure, and that should have been my first sign that my timing was not there. Because the ball came up, short, four or five or six feet, and I finished in the front bunker. And I had right where I wanted to hit it, right down the line I wanted to hit it, but my timing wasn't there.

So that's the first hint and the first thing you'll see. And if you hear that quote and then go watch the highlights, you're like, oh dude, you were short all day, all day. Just short, short, short. So he bogies the fourth, the lead is four. Fowdo bogies the fifth. In my head, I'd always thought that Fowdo was bogie free that day, but it's also worth noting,

I don't know why, but just wanted to point this out. Fowdo is in the middle of a $12 million divorce and a tabloid frenzy over his relationship with the 21-year-old Brenna Sipelic, a former Arizona golfer, which if you really want to go down that Google wormhole, that is, there is a story there. You should swing by his house and ask him about it. Yeah, listen, don't talk about my neighbor like that, okay? Is this the talk of the neighborhood? It is the talk of the hood. Fowdo, birdies, the sixth and the eighth.

So Norman's lead is three. But Norman's only one over on the day. It's not really going that poorly just yet. And he tries to muscle up a wedge into the ninth green. Well, now I was where I really showed because I'm only 102 yards, I think it was something like that anyway to the green to the flag and I come up three feet now three feet an enormous amount

over a sandwich child so the situation there was a green light to me I mean I had a green light I felt like I was still playing pretty good and no ground ones in my head I felt fine let's just hit the shot that you know you? Well, I came up shy of my target. That was to me, an indication that my swing was not the way it was. So from there on in everything's history. So that quote I wanted to include because that's the first time I hear him reference

grandma's and that it seems like, it's just like, all right, my swing's not really there to this point, but that shot coming up short is where things really turned. So he bogies, and now his lead is, I believe just now two, he bogies the tenth. He like blades a very easy chip by the flag misses the eight foot come backer. Now we get to 11.

This is kind of when I fast forward and started watching. So he's got a 15 foot birdie putt on 11. He runs it by the hole and misses the comebacker from three feet, which is another bogey. This part of the process takes two minutes and 47 seconds. He goes and stand over his ball and I don't, I have not, watch the three footer or the hole, the hole from the three foot. From the time it becomes his turn, it takes two minutes and 47 seconds for him to hold out, which is excruciating. Honestly, I watched it the first time,

I was like, how long did that take? Because that felt like forever. And I thought, it feels like longer, because it's a 15-foot putt. It's not a crazy one. And he's like re-gripping. Re-gripping. Super trying so hard to loosen his arms,

and you can tell in his head he's just like, be cool, become, stop being nervous, like you got this. Just be cool. And it was uncomfortable to watch. And the lead is now gone going into the 12th. It's gone. It's gone.

Indeed was on the edge. So they move on to the 12th. Riley calls it the Drew Barrymore of Part 3's, small, gorgeous, and sheer trouble. Riley might be gone at this. And that was our first moment when we saw Riley on the edge as well. So this is where so Fowdo hits an approach shot safely onto the green note. So this is where if I can sidebar for a second here, it gets super extra

frustrating with where golf coverage has gotten. And like everyone's on this mic up the players bit right now. There's no Mike's on the players at this point, but there are boom mics down there and the announcers get the hell out of the way. And you hear the conversation between Fowdo and Fanny Sunnison and they talk about their shot, they're gonna hit. And now it turns to Norman's turn.

And Navarro, Tony Navarro's Norman's Cadi, you can just hear him, just like audibly tell him, hit it directly over the bunker. Ken Venturi says, hit it over the bunker here, Greg, you can't win it here, but you can lose it. Sets his feet and it takes him, after his feet are set, it takes him 20 seconds to pull the trigger. Sorry, which hole are we in here?

12, okay. Drew Barrymore. Right, sorry, sorry. So, take some 20 seconds. I was researching what your gremlins came out, which was 1984, the year of Norman's first win. Coincidence? Stands over the shot, you can guess what happens.

Cleafs it right, short hits the bank, into the water, double bogey. So it gives five shots back in four holes, Fowdo makes nothing but pars in that stretch and now leads by two. So this is again where the drama of like Frank Chirkinian being a producer of golf, like the camera doesn't leave Greg Norman.

They don't cut away to like some of the Niles happen on 15. It's like we are following him, walk across the bridge. We are zooming in on his face. We, that's what I remember about that Sunday. I was 10, not quite 10 years old, but just the anguish of like, oh my god, we're gonna see the whole thing. We're gonna see the entire torture, like zoomed in, so it never leaves them in that,

the drama, because the guys are barely talking, but they're just like speaking about the enormity of the moment, but just like letting it breathe, which was wild. So. 12 is such a good place for that too. We've had a gust ofa because it turns into, I know the players like it sometimes because, you know, 12 and then 13 to your way from everybody.

But I think in that moment, it almost becomes like their a little new animal. It's like the longest place on the course. Yeah, and it's like, oh shit, like everybody's just staring at me now. So before Norman tees off on 13, a bird just goes off with several chirps directly into a mic, or they pipe this in. And Venturi goes,

I thought they killed all the birds. Wasn't there like no birds that fly over, I guess, though? Isn't that a whole conspiracy? I think that's squirrels. There's no squirrels on squirrels. I think I don't think there's many birds either. Maybe that, maybe this could have been what caused that.

Anyways, the bird chirps directly in the mic and Venturi goes, you're right, birdie at worst. Where's that pirate guy? Bring the pirate guy back. Really bad. So Norman hits it up on the pine straw. He's got 213 yards and they, again, they never leave the conversation.

There is a mic on there and it is back and forth with him, Navarro and Greg has hit five greens to this point and is trying to hit it off Pine Straw over the water on the green. And Navarro is like lay it up, lay it up, lay it up, walks him through it, convinces him to lay it up. Then they go to Fowdo, who's in the fairway.

He takes three and a half minutes to play his shot. He takes a wood out, backs off of it, gets set, backs off of it again, reaches for an iron and inventory thinks he's laying up and Fowdo just stripes a long iron onto the green and two puts for birdie. And so this right here is like what, for the technology debate, like that moment, those, watching those two guys think of those shots is the conversation that people are having on technology. And that Phil, when he's underneath the tree in the pine straw at the Masters in 2010,

it was like, oh yeah, I'm going for it. It's a sex iron. And Norman couldn't hit it on from 2.13 and had to go through this exercise. And like the drama of like, is Fowdo gonna lay up or go for it? Like with a five wood or a two iron, was very real. Like it's theater.

Like go back and watch it if you can fast forward in the three and a half minutes. But Norman gets up and down for birdie on 13, and then we go to 15. He kind of hits this another queasy little shot out to the right. He was lucky it didn't go in the water with his second shot.

It stops short. Hits the chip that almost goes in, and he just rolls on the ground. And the answer's like, yeah, first time he's shown emotion all day, they both make birdie, he's two down, go into 16. Fowdo does what he does, hits the center of the green. Norman comes up, takes forever over it yet again.

High, chunky, shots, short and left, wet, huge gas from the gallery, and Fern delivers his eulogy. Like it was over, it was over. So... God, I've hit that shot so many times. Is there anything worse? Just like the fat left, short ball?

I don't know. I think the quick left maybe is thin, right, weak, is a little bit more frustrating. But you can play that one at six. Exactly, yeah. Fowda would say I could feel the nervousness emanating from Greg. He gripped and re-gripped the club as though he could not steal himself to hit the ball. After Fowdo rolled in a final birdie at 18, Fowdo hit a sick wedge out of the bunker and

makes birdie. He hugged Norman. He told Norman. He was sorry. And then knowing what was ahead, he said, don't let the bastards get you down, referring to the media, because of what Norma was about to enter. After the round, Norma said,

it's all on me, I know that, but losing the masters is not the end of the world. I'll let this one get away, but I still have a pretty good life. I'll wake up tomorrow, still breathing, I hope. All these hiccups I have, they must be for a reason. All this is just a test. I just don't know what the test is yet.

You can read that in a much more demonstrative tone. It's like, I still got... Look at my life! I'm still winning. I don't care about this. You know, the story's kind of conflict on his mindset, going into the round, but here's something that he said afterward. I wouldn't change a thing. Even when I can even remember walking to the first teeth of this moment, I felt totally in control. I felt, you know, a little excited like everybody would feel,

you know, your dreadle was flowing, but I would never felt out of control until the tournament started unraveling around about the ninth home. What is that feeling like? A horrible, I've never experienced that before in my life. Oh, it's great. Never in my life.

And it's awful when you start experiencing something that you never experienced at that moment, at that time when you have to put a bandaid on it or some sutures in there to get this job done. And I really didn't have a bandaid or a suture to do it. That goes back to the deep dive on Norman. He seems like the king of the revisionist thoughts. It's like one that definitely has happened before. It happened in the US open twice in the 80s. And two, I don't know. You want to change the thing? Yeah.

That one, that one thing. Well, according to golf week, again, this is probably I should have said this is the beginning, but going into the masters, Norman was ranked 149th in Green's regulation. So he wasn't necessarily striping the ball. Norman would say it's a mental flaw caused by a physical flaw. Going into the masters, I was playing terribly.

I had lost control of my ball Norma said but I can't go into the masters hitting it like this and Harmon said Greg We don't have time to make a swing change use your course management use your short game. Oh God What a fucking horrible feeling. Yeah, I don't know man. Just you'll be alright Just figure it out like you'd be fine. Well, so listen. I don't even think about it All of us play golf. Totally. Yeah, but not for the, not for the different stage.

Different stage. So Norma, Jensen, the sports psychologist, again, this is a golf week article, said, really, how bad could you be hitting it? All your iron shots were going right at the flag and Norma said,

you don't know where I was aiming. I was hitting it so badly I didn't go for a single pin. I would aim 12 yards to the right of the hole and then I would pull it to two feet. Every ball that went crooked seemed to go crooked towards the hole. And on Sunday, every ball I aimed over there

went over there. I aimed crooked, they went crooked. God, that's so good. I think that's, that's, well that quote explains the move at 12. Well, get this, reconstructing the final nine, Norman explained to Jensen, I said to myself, forget butch, I'm gonna fix this thing.

I started tinkering with my swing on the back nine. That was the mental mistake I made. The physical mistake, of course, was that I wasn't prepared going in. I wanna give a shout out to you. Yeah, I was gonna say, can you hit the guy guys for me? Yeah, fuck butch. I got this. I wanna give a shout out to Fred to the program, Big Play Ray, who once tried to switch

his swing to stack until mid-wrap, which is very similar to this. Again, that wasn't at the last days. So I want to quickly circle back on Peter Dobariner. Yeah. I think we probably would undersold him a little bit. He seems to be like a very titan of God. I hope this guy's jaw sure they will. But no, what's interesting is at the time he said that to Greg Norman, Peter was 88 years old and he would die later that year.

He died in August of 1990. So he could say what he said? No, I'm just saying. He could say whatever he wants. And he would die later that year he died in August of 1996. What do you say? He gets to it? No, I'm just saying. He can say whatever he wants. One, yeah, car blanche, just say whatever he wants. And he must be like the British version of Dan Jenkins, I would imagine.

Yeah, so he's got like two books on the golf digest, like 50 books you have to read. So he, very exceptional, very important golf room. Tentual reading room. Look. Absolutely, yeah. I hadn't, I honestly, hand to Godentural reading room. Look, absolutely. Yeah. I hadn't, I honestly, hand to God though,

I had not heard the name. So that's a different generation, different time and spot. So that's, well, excuse of all you's here. But also Peter Costas said, talking about Greg's stubbornness. Sometimes that stubbornness gives you commitment to hit a brilliant shot under pressure. Sometimes it makes you go for a shot, you couldn't try.

Shouldn't try. I saw Greg is having that. And Norm would also say, I wasn't 100% prepared for the responsibility of what I had in front of me. And I said to my kids, after whenever you're in an important situation like that, you have to be so strong that you can compartmentalize all the shit that goes on in your mind. That was one moment I didn't do it and I paid the price deeply. Last little note. But I wouldn't change anything. That's where I'm like,

I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing. I kind of came out of nowhere. I think the stuff with the, I forget who you said he was talking to, but the stuff where everybody else is trying to like convince you, you know. No, no, no, it's all good.

Like you're hitting good shots and you know deep down that you're not. Yeah. Is like what you said, waiting till 245, it's all good. Like you're hitting good shots and you know deep down that you're not, is like what you said, waiting till 245, it's that times a million. Yes. I think that's such a good quote and such a good window. Last story I have here is if there was an opportunity

for Norman to drop his guard, it would have been upon boarding his plane, his plane for the ride back to Florida. Instead seeing the assortment of red eyes staring back at him, he held firm that he would be just fine. This is his agent Williams recalled. He came on and said, oh come on, it's just a game. Think of all the money I've made from hitting a little white ball from A to B. Think all the guys who work their tails off in factories. I tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna stay on this plane and drink it dry. And so we did. Williams continues. I'm sure underneath it all, he really wanted to lock himself in a room and mourn,

but he wanted to make everyone else feel better. That's pretty great. Damning stat, sixth time that Norman shot 77 or higher in the final round of the Masters. I also didn't know this, tied for the largest 54 hole lead lost in PGA Tour history. Six shots, no one has lost more than that. The other Dustin Johnson 2017 WGC HSBC champion. Right. No one ever watches that. So it's

fine. Spencer Levine 2012 waste management. Sergio at the 2005 Wacovia. Norman House Sutton did at the inhizer Bush, the 83 inhizer Bush golf classic Gabriel or 69 Danny Thomas Diplomat classic. And Bobby Crookshank, 1928, Florida, open. Halt tough name. Crookshank. How big was, how big was Kyle Stanley's lead? It was only like three or four ago, and he had expanded it to seven.

And yeah, last two quotes I have, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, of course, to the great champions, they put up plaques to Greg Norman, they put up tombstones. Rick Riley, you know we're gonna finish with a Rick Riley. Of course. Rick is, sorry, Rick is goody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 90s. Yeah, but this is where I think maybe we're losing him.

In the late days. Well, on the border. You decide, after this one, fitting with the pirate theme here, if you will. Paar! On this same April 14th, another unsinkable ship on its way to certain glory, listed, curgled, and sank.

The Titanic. Finn. Finn makes you think? No. So that is the 96 collapse of Greg Norman, the Peter Cossus calling the producer thing, blew my mind. That's what I found like the first five minutes.

I was like, okay, well, I'm definitely doing this one. Honorable mentions, I think, of course, John Van Deville, which we mentioned. We did, we talked through that one. I think my mind was Duffner at in 2011. Speed at 15 or 16th masters. There's a lot when you start going to the... Phil at O6.

Winxford, of course. There's a lot once you get out of the major's category. I think Robert Garagas tripling the last hole of Memphis that one year would have been a fun one to relive, maybe in another podcast. I wanted to do David Tom's, the year he won the Walkovia by four, quatting the last hole. He had an H.I.L.E. made a quad, which was amazing. I wanted to do that one. Rory at 2011 Masters, I think, could have been one.

Ed Sneed, we thought about. It's too painful. We covered that, I think, in the what if Ed's need we thought about it. It's too painful. We covered that I think in the what if guys right? Yeah. If you've never heard the story of Ed's need, go back to the what if Gary was also covered. Yes. That's a brutal collapse. That's a masters.

Oh, this was this was great. I don't know if I feel better or worse. So I'm very excited for majors to come back. I wanted to shout out sorry, I wanted to shout out Patty Shean at the 1990 women's US Open who, according to the World Golf Hall of Fame, took a nine-shot lead, had a nine-shot lead at one point in the final round. I'm sure Patty, I appreciate the shout out for you bringing that up.

I believe there was a, thank you, big Randy. We could have talked, you know, came up in refuge trivia the other night, IK Kim, missing the two footer, I believe it was, to your 18 inch putter, whatever, to on the last hole, to lose majors, a tough one. That's a quick meltdown to go back to your initial definition. I think Lorraine Ochoa had a pretty epic meltdown in one of the-

2005, you by think. Yeah, I was looking at that one too. Yeah. There's some meltdowns out there. Oh, actually, one I also side of my list was Nick Watney at the 2000. Yeah, God, that was awesome. Yeah, I think same year that Dustin was. No, 10.

Two Ducing Strains. Wistling Strains, that's right. It was the same one with Kimer and DJ. Yeah. So he took a eight shot lead into the final round or something? I don't know if it was going to be a big hit. No, it was big. Sorry.

No, it was significant. Yeah. And again, it was big. Sorry. No, it was significant. Yeah. And he gave it a shot. He got 83. He said 82, I think, 83. God, I forgot about that one. We could have done a whole Dustin Johnson section.

And there was another one on Aaron Badley. I saw at Oakmont. At Oakmont. And he just got vaporized. Why didn't he have a three shot lead going into the last round? What was it? Why was I think an eight, Septin? I think he probably shot eight.

Finish eight back or something. He shot 11 over on the, or nine over on the last day. So 81. That's not good. And just DJ. DJ at 10 US Open, PGA. 2015 Chambers Bay. Real St. George's.

Yeah, yeah, balance in there. Speed, did we say, yeah. That one's in there. Speed that we say. Yeah, I know we said it. But the other, the other one, he, where he shot like the first round 66 or something. I'm still convinced he won that year. I think he did in 2015. No, it was like 2017, maybe. Oh, and will it one? No, that was, that was the actual collapse. 17. The one he ended up coming back, but he felt just short. That was 18 that was Patrick Reed right. 18 second round like collapse.

Yeah, yeah, he made like a nine or no, was that the year he made a nine? I think 17 he made a nine on number 15. I'm still convinced Jordan's me is one like three masters. Yeah, at least I've had to look that up more than once. How many I mean does he have? Crazy just the one. I thought about to look that up more than once. How many does he have? Crazy. Just the one.

I thought about Tom Watson too at the British, but that's hard to say it's a collage. He just kind of ran out of gas as a, and a lot of gas. Couldn't get a hate. The horses were running, man. You know, he didn't, he didn't pay himself. Road hard and put away what? Yeah, for real. Oh, that was hard.

That was hard. That was sick. Two sick ones. That was a tough scene. Yeah. Well, I think we can wrap this just with it. Just attribute to all of our, all of our, all of our collapses out. So many generations, but thank you for listening and we'll see you guys Par! Oh! Be the right club, be the right club today! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most.

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