No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 323: RBC Heritage Recap

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

Webb Simpson wins yet again, and the boys break down a fun week at Harbour Town that included a lot of birdies, a great run from Honest Abe (20:15), the first positive COVID test (50:00), some excellent television coverage (1:00:00), and a lot more. We discuss Harbour Town as a tournament venue, plus we react to the Nantz pod (1:04:00), as well as some segments (1:27:00). This was a fun one.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. of the no-langup podcast, you might be eating a little bit. Close. It's gonna be a thing for Cal. What do you got? You got Shoshito Peppers and Short Rip tonight. Big Randy is here, Namaste, Sully, and good evening to everybody else.

We won Randy. We didn't get to play a lot of golf this weekend, but I did here when you hit like five iron shots close to a less than or inside of five feet, you're bound to shoot a low score. And though he didn't win, Dylan Fatelli did bring the heat on this Sunday. The Cowboy Irons, we don't talk about this enough, Cowboy is the number one Irons and Golf.

I feel like that just kind of gets forgotten. I think the best you can be. We talk about the driver a lot. I saw this in the copy and I was like, you know what, we really don't, we don't maybe put enough emphasis in. And really if you're number one Irons and Golf, you're selling seven, eight, nine clubs at a time.

That seems to be a very good thing. So Dylan Frittali, use these number one irons and golf to make nine birdies and routes to tuning 62 career low on the PGA tour. And helping to make those puts was the triple track combo. We've been talking about this. The Odyssey triple track 10 putter paired with the chrome soft triple track golf ball. You got the perfect alignment across your golf ball and on your putter. Speaking of Chromesoft, Kalle recently announced starting this week, June 24th, you'll be able to pick up the new 2020 Chromesoft X golf balls.

The regular Chromesoft was revamped released earlier this year. I've been playing it really been noticing an increase in distance of my irons of a few too many Icarito balls, if I'm being honest. But now the Chromesoft X ball will be in golf shops everywhere. And just like the standard Chrome Soft available in truvus and in triple track. So to learn more about the new 2020 Chrome Soft X and to see which Chrome Soft golf balls right for you, go to calwaygolf.com.

That's calwaygolf.com to learn about the 2020 Chrome Soft X golf ball. I would say I'm excited for the Xs, but now that I'm playing left-handed, I don't think it matters. You're just not a high-spinner player. Rainy, I'd love to see in the, in getting in the triple track. I think that'd be a great step for your game. I'm very excited about it.

I haven't, I haven't done enough testing or research yet. So maybe that's, you know, when I do come back, when I make my return to golf, I'll, maybe I'll put that on the pro. Be careful, that's trademarked, all right? Which, when, when are you making your return to golf? Honestly,'ll put that on the pro. Be careful, that's trademarked, all right. Which, when are you making your return to golf? Honestly, I don't know.

It's day by day. At the Jack's Beach qualifier of the show. Yeah, you're gonna play the Thursday? Maybe. No, that's your play. The commitment, the commitment deadline was 5 p.m. Friday, much like the Fijiator. All right, let's get into it.

Let's talk about the heritage, should we? I think it's okay with you guys what we're here to do. Let me start in a place that people probably didn't think we were gonna start. CBS may have gotten the podcast bump this week. They may have, of course, Sir Jim Nance was on the podcast this week and, you know, coincidentally,

I thought the coverage was excellent this week and the only reason I bring that up, we'll get into it of course in our hamster damn section later on but it just locks you in and it makes for a great week and I had a ton of fun watching golf. Solid, what's your gut reaction? I just wanted to be super hesitant too.

Like, oh, Jim came on the pod. So now we love some of you saying that he came on the pod and, you know, today's elevated their game. Yeah, I'll say for one, I dislike him a lot 10 times more after his pro-pod performance. We were gonna talk about the pod later, but I think almost across the board, I think, on social media today, it was like,

well, wait a second here, are commercials way down? Way down. Way down? And how much they needed it on a day like today, honestly, when they have a ton of guys at the top of the leader board, I just kind of laugh. I'm like, this is gonna be hard. Like, this is gonna be tough.

I think crushed it. Not that got all the audio they needed. I felt like involved in it. And honestly, it's gonna be weird to kind of, I do I think it got all the audio they needed. I felt like involved in it. And honestly, it's going to be weird to kind of, I do I think it'll be the same next week. I'm not that confident. But for one week, for whatever it was, it was like, we got it. Like, we got what we wanted. That's all we really, realistically want. I don't think we'd talk about the coverage if it looked like it did today.

Well, and I think part of when you said, I don't know what it was. I mean, I think part of it was Harbor Town, which was awesome. I know, you know, you said something earlier, you've been watching, you've been inspecting this tournament closely every year for 20 years. I wouldn't say inspect it. Enjoying the tournament. You're trying to enjoy the tournament. No, you're saying, including some onsite inspections, too. Exactly.

Onside inspections, for sure. Well, I mean, the trees like hit her block, though. Well, what was your reaction to watching it today? I mean, you know, some of it's because they don't have grandstands behind certain greens or whatnot, but at Harbor Town, you don't have a bunch of grandstands for the most part. So I don't think that's that valid of a complaint.

More or less, they showed a bunch of angles, like on 10, 11, 12 coming down the stretch, especially on the second shots, standing right behind them, I think not having towers actually frees them up to show a lot more variety. Love that. When you get down on the ground, it looks like Jurassic Park down there.

You get to see how tall the trees are. You see how intimidating some of those T-shirts are and how straight you need to hit it. And that locked me in more than anything. And of course, they did. We're skipping, we're getting way too deep into the coverage. But it's positive. It was.

The only thing that they didn't do was, I thought they were going to crash the drone. And we're going to get one. We're going to get one. They may be like us, they may have two drones. And maybe one was down. And of course, we're not gonna tell people when we crash it.

Actually, that's not true. We do. We usually air the first clips. Randy, Web Simpson, your winner today. What do you talk to me about watching Web this week? All in on Web. Complete 180 for me personally over the last several years. Is this an earnest take?

I can't tell if you're interested. I can't tell if you're being earnest or not. You have the same tone. Of course. Thank you for using the proper 180. A lot of people say 360 in that regard and it really frustrates you. Well, you're welcome for that. A lot of people inquiring. Many people asking, I've done it 720 on web. Many people inquiring if he is now a killer, which I'd like to talk about that. For once, I actually want to talk about we can talk about that. Super impressive performance. He, you know,

reminded me of like his players championship win, you know, when he's locked in, he's really good. Well, he's locked in and more ways than one too, am I right? We got the arm life putter going, of course. My gut reaction, I texted you guys, was like, he's like a million times better than Ricky. So we can discuss that more later, but let's discuss it right now. I mean, Randy might be the king of the Ricky straw man.

Like, I don't think anybody's arguing the other side of that, bud. Well, I think it would have sounded completely blasphemous a couple years ago, maybe as you're going. Yeah. And now it seems pretty cut and dry. He is what number five in the world now after this win is that right? That's right. It seems well deserved to me.

In a different landscape, I think, Web Simpson could be in the conversation for Best Player in the World. Totally. Like for golf courses like these? In like a different landscape, meaning like golf being played in the 1980s. Or just a, just not a bunch of a power game.

If there was more harbor towns, which I'm not necessarily advocating for, but if there was a more level playing field with driving distance, Web would be right up there. I think we can talk, I'm down a second, but I would argue that, I mean, I think it's pretty unanimous that the course plays way better in April than it does in June.

That could be wrong. I agree with that. Okay, I agree with that. Because I thought I had no bite, and when Pro Golf has no real actual risk of bogies, then you can pin your ears, but you can make some unforced errors and make bogies like any time,

but there's nothing that really baits you into a bogey. Like this week, I don't think that makes for good television. Well, let me put it this way. I don't mean to keep dipping my toe back into the coverage stuff, but this is, yeah, yeah, she knows. No, no, no, I don't. But this is the impetus for all the coverage stuff is I've watched Harbor Town a million times,

and I don't know that I can like answer that question because I can't really like picture any of the other years because it's all just like washes over me and I don't know that I can answer that question, because I can't really picture any of the other years, because it's all just like washes over me, and I don't remember anything. Whereas this year, I was so locked in that I will remember this tournament next year when it comes back around. So when you see a volume of players play the same holes

and see the same shots, when the next guys come through, you understand what the considerations are. How good was 17 to go? I was watching guys, like everybody's fanning it right, missing in that same spot, and then you really have contacts when web steps up, hits it 15 feet below the hole, it's like, God, that was so much better

than everybody else that's gone through. We're seeing guys play 11, and where they go off the tee there, or nine, I mean, there's so many different options on nine. 16, I mean, 15 was awesome to watch guys. It's context. Yeah, it was interesting. It was a race, a straight birdie race. I, as much as I did enjoy the coverage,

couldn't understand how they couldn't grasp the leaderboard. I'm like, Dylan, is Dylan for talking to stick around? He's in the house, clubhouse lead at 17 under. I was like, dude, he's not even gonna be close. He almost got 10 shot rule of everybody. Yeah. I think DJ, you mentioned just not having a great feel for the venue and past tournaments.

A lot of that, I think is probably a master's hangover. A lot of it's probably the cactus lines that we had where they're in actual hangovers. I was glad as somebody who has been going down to Hillinhead for a while, as of course, if you listen to the trap, the time share owner on the island. It was good to see the youngest time share owner on the island. Unofficially, at one time. It's cool to see Harbor Town at this time of the year, just because, you know, it's all eyes all attention Nobody's coming off a a master's hangover and the field but I do agree with you

So I mean some years I'm you know like 2016 the winning score was nine under like some years in April the win really gets fresh Was that the your grace one? Yeah, I mean the win was going like 30 that. Yeah. So it's like, maybe not for four days, but you can have days out there where it's like, it almost turns into a US open where parts are really good score. That was not the case this week, which is a bit of a shame, but all in all, it was cool just to really get in depth at Harbor Tech. That's more likely to happen in April than in June is your point. The win does come up more in April. Yeah. So your things more about the, the fairies than the overseas or anything like that.

Yeah, yeah. It's just like there was just and to be clear, parts are relevant, but I'm saying like the risk reward, not even risk reward, but just there wasn't much variability in these shots. When you watch A-Bans or hit wedge, wedge, wedge, wedge, with no wind and pretty soft greens, that's what you're gonna get.

But I think what's so cool is you have a tournament like Palm Springs or Vegas or Vegas was kind of firm last time. I think what's so cool is you have a tournament like Palm Springs or Vegas or Vegas was kind of firm last time, I think we saw it. But you have a tournament like Palm Springs where that's a birdie fest and you're like, that's very boring to me. And today was a birdie fest, but like you didn't think anybody was gonna make a bogey,

but it was way more entertaining to watch than like, Likinta or something. It was also one of that. I mean, part of that's because it's the best players in the world. Yeah, definitely. It was a long, no offense to Adam Long. No offense anymore. And I think to your point, the visuals like the cheese, right? It's amazing. It's they

got the mega light on the stretch. They did. Shout it to the end and the drone too. Like some of those drone shots of they had the one up 18. Yeah. Like kind of zooming in towards the green. Watching the guys walked on the fairway. That was so cool. It was gorgeous. Super cool. When there's like six, eight guys left on the golf course. Yes. When you had the time without the commercial window,

I don't know. I'm serious. I don't want to get caught up in, I want to be clear on the drone take. Like, do I think the images are cool? Yes. Do I think when they get, whenever they get back to their 18-minute commercial windows

and they're going away from live golf to show a Just I want to vomit with that toward they did of the of the boats in the lighthouse It was your friend that just got a drone that has to show you all the drone footage. It's like dude I I clearly see that one between that it was so good to us between that and then tripping all of themselves to get out and Stop talking over the player caddy combos. That was great though. It was great tripping alone themselves to get out and stop talking over the player, Cadi Convos. That was great though. It was great, but they're so obnoxious about it.

I wanna go back to Webb for a second. Let me lay out my case and then I'll give you the floor. Okay. I think I have really, I think learned to love Webb. I'd never liked watching them before. I thought he was super boring, super vanilla, very class acts tour, and it's just not interesting. And I think the more I've learned about,

man, this is becoming nothing but a power game, and you know, watching someone like Bryson, and what he's doing is interesting for some reasons, but just seeing how far guys hit it and all these things, and then it really has allowed me to appreciate what web is doing and how he keeps contending on, like yes, a golf course like this for sure, but even like throughout the year.

I mean, he's around a lot and watching him, it's just, it struck me today. He feels like a guy watching on the couch got like a genie wish. Like I wanna be like the best golfer in the world. They would look like Web because he's. Because he's not doing anything superhero, he's not doing anything that feels unattainable or unapproachable. He's just, he's hitting a shot that I can picture,

and I have hit a shot like that in my life before, but he does it every single time without this. And the swing is a little homemade. Totally. If there's ever a pro golfer for people at home to watch and try to gather something from as to how you could get so much better, it's not Rory. I'll tell you that right now.

Exactly. That's a much more succinct way of saying what's right. It's someone like that. TC before just interject because I had no idea but piggybacking off UDJ for those wondering like last, during the 2019 season, Webb was a hundred and forty-fifth in driving distance which candidly I had no idea he ranked that low. So that's to give you an idea of the stats. That's where he's at.

Like, watching him even today and throughout this whole week, it was, I kept texting you guys, like, he should be 200 on your par because he just keeps, he just 10 people of the whole, 12 people of the whole, eight people of the whole, 10 people of the whole. He's just in the perfect spot on every single hole. And to be clear, he was second in Strokes Game putting this week. I don't know if he should have been 200 under par. He had a two-man or five. No, he had a two-man or two hundred under par.

Definitely. But just, I wonder if we would view webs like last year, a little more differently if things would have fallen out different. He lost in a playoff at the RSM in the fall for a runner-up. He finished second at the wind him. He finished second at the WGC FedEx St. Jude last year. And he finished second at the Canadian Open last year. Like it was- Distan second. Yes, but still. One guy beat him in four tournaments within the last year. I mean, it's unrealistic. I think all six of them could go your way, but like he could have a six-year- Hey.

Six-win. Is he manipulating the Saggering rankings? He felt like six. With all these solar seconds. The mist cut, he fell into like six this past week, but I think he's gonna go, he's gonna jump in the rankings. Just because I know where you're probably going with it,

to balance the scale, what your thoughts are with. I told everybody's like, oh, you hate what? I don't hate what, I just like, he just doesn't do anything for me. I respect him. I said, I mean, he grew up in the Southeast. Like, I've been watching the guy play golf since I was 14 or 15. Like, he's been really, really good for a long time.

Respect the heck out of him, playing a different game than everybody. I think he's like Philip Rivers, right? Like, it looks awful when he does it. Like, you know, Philip Rivers has that weird release and kind of that side arm release web. Like I do not enjoy watching web hit a golf ball. That's interesting because I know you love Philip Rivers.

So I don't. Philip, you know, Philip Rivers, they're both from North Carolina. Many kids. They both have a million kids. They both love the big guy upstairs. Yeah. Can I help you with this?

Cause I think I'm kind of with you in that I would say, I think I'm past this phase, but I used to kind of not, like specifically not root for web for no good reason. Yeah. Just comes in that like, you know what? Like I've heard a million great stories about how you're a great guy. I just, I don't feel anything when you're on the screen.

I have since heard like one story in particular with a friend of ours that just like took him from like, all right now I know I've heard you're a great guy to like you truly are like the man and a great dude. Now I'm like, okay, I'm in, like I'm all in. I will root for you every time I see you on screen. And I thought his podcast interview too was like pretty, like I was, I've never heard him speak

for a long period of time. And I have forgiven him for the Birdman stuff. Because that was a big jungle bird. I messed that up on the interview. It's jungle bird. It was right there with you. It would have been second if it was the rapper Birdman stuff. Because that was a big jungle bird. I messed that up on the interview. It's jungle is right there with you. It would have been second if it was the rapper Birdman. That was a big component, but I don't know. I guess for me, just like,

I wanted to say, what did you specifically not like about the jungle bird stuff? That he danced on his grave a little bit? Yeah, that he was like, oh, enjoy the jail cell pal. That was bullshit. It was laughing. Like Davis was really the guy who strong armed the jungle bird just to be clear.

But, but, What happened in that hole? It was laughing. Like Davis was really the guy who strong armed the jungle bird just to be clear. But in that whole, he kind of since came off as like the prep school, you know, in the poll. The sweater he was wearing did not help. He kind of, he spiked the football with it. But, you know, I think today just looking at how all the different results that could have happened, Abe, Daniel Berger going back to back, Hatton, Sergio, Neiman, like all those guys, I don't know.

That's very fair. That in context makes a lot of sense. And I see where you're going with that. It is, get to a certain point with some guys too, where webs won six times, what does a seventh win mean to me as a golf player? No, it doesn't really make a difference. And I could choose this category too.

You know, when you win, I just don't feel that much. What I felt more of A1 or something like that probably, but at the same time, that's kind of where I fall. This speaks to being very psyched about our new gambling segment. Otherwise, I would've felt exactly the same way. But I was rooting hard for Web. With a major in his pocket, though,

he's got an outside look at the Hall of Fame one day. So, you know, every VVV is gonna cheat you right, Regan. every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every, every,

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instead of like a semi liability is a game. It was kind of crazy. We're not even close to the end of web. It was kind of crazy to see that he hadn't won heritage yet. And I know he lost to the playoff to Graham McDowell back in 2013, but I'm just gonna push back a little bit on the dog or killer stuff. PGA Tour career playoff record.

Two and five Nationwide tour playoff record, O and one. That hurts. He might be growing into a killer though. Not everybody's born a killer. I still don't think he's a dog. I think he might be a killer though. You don't think he's a dog? No.

I think he's an absolute dog. He said he's a whole game stream. He's a golden retriever. He's a golden retriever. Yeah, that's what we said before. Shout out to our endocats. He might be the golden retriever who's flipped's, he's a gold retriever. He's a gold retriever. Yeah, that's what we said before. Shout out to our endocats, he might be the gold retriever like who's flipped

and now he's killing cats and like a gated community. To cooge that situation. Yeah. I got a question, it's for TC. What kind of rangefinder do you use? Precision Pro. Randy, what kind of rangefinder do you use? Trick question.

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Randy if I told you you know, you're you're Tied for the lead going into the fine around and you're gonna hit all 18 greens and lose Would that be deflating or you're taking away the lead going into the fine round and you're gonna hit all 18 greens and lose. Would that be deflating or you're taking away positives from that? I just have to tip my hat, you know what else can you do? That's it. You're, your mezcal braided hat.

Which, you see that was a fantastic tweet. The, uh, mirror hat stamped with. At least to wear a mirror hat. Stamped with this mezcal. Which I apologize I called it a tequila. I think it's mezcal. I wanna, you know, flachyze Which I apologize I called it a tequila. I think it's a mess cow. I wanna, you know, flachyze.

I googled it in my second tequila. And this is for you. So it's the difference. That's a good idea. What an ignorant question. So I know you had a tipped, you had tequila makes my clothes fall. I know you had gone hard on,

on a stave earlier in the week. I did, I picked them in a little draft king set. A great pick. 71, that felt really week. I did. I picked him in a little draft king. A great pick. 70 to one. That felt really good. What did you see this week? I mean, the guy hits the golf ball and it is, again, like we're talking about, just a,

the whole time I'm watching it, I'm like, ah, look, I don't know if this was like, trans like great to like, Beth Page Black, this plague style, but man, is it fun to watch you hit? There's no risk you're gonna miss a green. He wasn't even close to missing a green all day long. Is he gonna, is he gonna win it open?

No, he was close on the back nine. What was that? After the really bad drive. Yeah, what the hell was that? He's gonna hit some squirrely ones. The driver was, they were talking about that. I was tweeting a little bit of this and I got, he's so comfortable.

He's so comfortable out there today. And that was right after he hit one, he carried like 236. It got like 39 feet off the ground and it was like the worst angle in the world way left. I was like, yeah, I don't think that's what he was trying to do. I don't think he's comfortable at all. That shot he hit into 15 over the trees, like walked after it. They said, they're like, oh yeah, he can definitely take that route.

I was like, can he? Cause he's been hitting the ball really low all day. He had like the Stinger driver go. Yeah, it was watching. I, another shout out to CBS, but I like a lot of times the radar info just kind of washes over you. You just forget to actually like look at it.

But really watching like the two different styles him and Hatten had going on. Hatten was legitimately hitting his driver three times higher than Abraham was. And it's like, it's like that's That's hard for town. Yeah, it's awesome No, he's fun to watch and fun to have wagered on in bed and ride that out I'm confused after watching him in the in

I mean when he won the austrian open and then watching him in the Presidents cup and just a few other times. I've always thought he was this really standout putter and just being so little, you're like, all right, this guy must roll the shit out of the rock. Seeing some of the putts he hit today, I was like, man, you are not a good putter. I think the putting this week was just a little weird. It was a little bit of an outlier week, I think.

It looked like it very grainy, very slow, very kind of, I don't know what, inconsistent, but it was, it looked like guys were having a hard time making eight footer straight up the hill. And maybe because I was watching a lot of Bryce and Putt early in the week, but it just, balls were getting near the hole and just once they slowed down,

like they just wobbled a little bit and it is so hard to hit your marks with proper speed and getting stuff to die in the way. If you're not positive how it's gonna wobble, it can just mess with your psyche. But some guys obviously didn't have trouble with it, you know, Hatton and Webb, but it can throw off a very good putter.

Looking at Abe's stats, like last year, there's 113th on tour, year prior, 2018, finished 127th. So I thought that was like the whole, I totally missed that. I'm with you. Yeah, I'm with you, Charlie. Like I thought I remember the whole narrative of the president's cup being like,

this guy doesn't miss Puts. He's such a good putter. He's nails all day. And he's like, huh, okay. Really. They may have just been, you know. Which I'm kind of shook on on the putting stuff after the whole Morricawa thing.

Because I would say deeper into that. I would say if he's not a good putter, you definitely didn't hear from him that he was a good putter because he's never told a lie. That's a great point. Danny chopped down cherry, cherry.ter, you definitely didn't hear from him that he was a good putter because he's never told a lie. That's a great point. Danny chopped down cherry, cherry. Yeah, you gotta think about that. We almost had Daniel Burger going back to back.

That was somewhat unexpected. Five and that one snuck up a little bit. He was vibe and hard. I love watching Daniel Burger. Randy, what do you feel when you watch Daniel Burger? The swing makes me uncomfortable, but I can't believe what is he now two or three rounds away from Tigers record of Most consecutive are better. I think Tigers records 35 and burgers at 32 or 33 now Clearly vibing falls off which I do have an honest question for the group is that what like I

Thought you were gonna say he's two rounds away from Tigers made cut record one But is this is a record like that? Is it like the hit record like where Demagio in baseball has has the 56 game hitting street record But to get there It's not necessarily indicative of like you're an all-time great I help me put into context because it seems like what, and I don't have it officially, what,

32 or 33 straight rounds at par are better, closing in on the cats all-time record. That seems like really impressive. I'll push back on the baseball thing with you because I can't remember anybody, like I remember each year I had a great streak going at one point. I really can't remember anybody

that hasn't been a great player that, and Grannem, I don't really watch baseball anymore, but. Yeah, no, I mean, in like, maybe last year's like, an all-time great. Exactly, which, but you have guys who will get up to like 30 some games

and it's like, you know, they, you forget about them the next year. I don't know when I'm going. We may forget about Daniel Burger. But that's here, we've done it before. But that's my whole point is, you know, two years ago if you had told me, you know, Burger might break Kat's record of most rounds under par on the all time on the PGA2.

I'd be like, wait, what? Yeah. Yeah. I just, I think to the point of us forgetting about Burger, now I'm assuming that that was was everything was risk-related. I think it's just fair to say, if he's gotten back and been this good, we all kind of thought he was going to be a really good player and never really fully panned out. And if he's going to come back and be this good, I think we can just write off any slump

based on the wrist. Because this is nuts. To bring any point like this is kind of weird thing to play. And that's like, how good is he? To me, almost like, I waffle between his, is he like, a rich man's Russell Henley, where he gets hot a couple times a week, or is he, you know, or is he like legitimately one of the 10 best players

in the world? I don't know. It's gonna be interesting to watch. Would have been for sure, I would assume, the first time anyone wins, pretty ugly plaid jackets and back to back weeks. That would have been unbelievable That's the ultimate double maybe no I can promise you no one has ever worn the Schwab in the RBC and backed back Exactly and he got a he got a seersucker jacket

No, T.C. He got two seersucker They're winning the FedEx Memphis thing, you know, could almost had four jackets almost as many jackets as boats Which if you have four jackets, do you really want to? That's great. Going back to Abe, can we call, he shot 65, 65 on the weekend. He shot 64 on Friday. People forget he shot 65, 65 on the weekend.

Burger shot 63, 65. Sergio shot 65, 65. Joaquin Neiman shot 63, 65. But I'd like to call the 65, 65 without winning. I'd like to call that the honest Abe. Yeah, honest Abe. I was gonna say, the 65, 65 without winning. I'd like to call that the honest Abe. Yeah, honest Abe. I was gonna say, sorry, real quick on Abe. This is the second time this year now,

he is shot better than 20 under par in a four round event. He was 24 under at the American Express and didn't win. Jeez. If the tour offered a database where people could look at their own stats, I would have to think there are many guys that have shot that low without a victory. Come on Randy, that's way too much to ask. The worst day he had hitting greens was Friday where he hit 15.

God, he hit, he missed seven greens this week. The honest smallest greens. The smallest greens. Really couldn't. Little ask greens too. These are among the smallest greens. Can I ask you guys questions? Well, maybe they're big for him,

because he's kind of good. Well, that leads into what I was gonna ask. Five, seven. You think, you feel like that's right or you feel like that's generous? I think that's good. It's like a Nick Saban five, seven. Did you guys see the shots when it went fiend out?

Yes, yes, that was jarring. He looked like he was two feet taller. They did him dirty. He had to move the microphone down. Avaluct like he was in seventh grade, hanging with like the varsity team. It was unreal. And that was,

I had no idea you went to Oklahoma. I learned that this weekend. Now how about that? What have been the first Oklahoma that you've got to win since AK? Okay, boomer. He's got an whole field services. He's deep in the old.

Sponsorship to humble. Which is a talk scene. Well, I think he's got an oil field services. He's deep in the oil. He's sponsored to Humble. Which is a tells me, I think he's just full mobile sponsorship too. I saw that on him. Oh, mobile oil. Like mobile oil. Big oil. Yeah.

Anyways, no free hands. Come on. Shout out to our friends at mobile. Let's move to Lord. Tyrrell Hatten, Tron. What a loon. Sorry, Tron friends. I love him, man.

What do you love about her? I mean, his reaction when sluggishly the horn. His reaction to everything is great. Oh, this is horrible. What has he done? You know what I remind me of? Was I wasn't even there for this trap in Iowa where you would say something to the beer cart girl

and her response would be, like she had a she was misprogrammed. The response was not commiserate with what you ever you said to her like, Hey, yeah, we're just playing golf. Oh my God. That reaction to the horn blowing was exactly that's exactly I totally agree. It was the most reasonable thing to have happened today was they blew the horn. And then he came back out right after just drained the pulse. Yeah.

He's the best man. I love watching him. He's, I want to give a shout out to a friend of the program Spencer Hall likes to do something on Twitter called England or Alabama, where he'll post a picture. You got to decide if they're from England or Alabama. And he, Terrell Hatton might be like, I mean, he's like patient, patient zero. Fleetwoods are there too. Fleetwoods, of course, beef is really good.

But he's just, he's exceedingly British. And just every fabric of his being, he's from high-wike home, Berkhamshire, England. Or I'm sorry, Buckhamshire, England. He's just, he's great to watch. I don't know. His swing makes me, I don't get it. I'm with you. Like the balance and the, I just, he's great to watch. I don't know. His swing makes me, I don't get it. Yeah, I'm with you.

Like the balance and the, I just, I'm a fully processed. He's got some of the Westwood power plant kind of vibes going to, you know. Shrunking down Westwood a little bit. The shotty, the pitching wedge you hit from like 140 from a very fair lie. He dead pulls it and hits like the bank of the bunker and goes in the bunker. And first, I love when British people end like a little phrase with that, like, great bounce that. And he did that, and why don't you expel,

well, you pulled it into the bank. You were expecting it to kick dead right onto the green, but I wanna give it a shot. He's entertaining. I wanna give a shout out to Neil as well. I know he's not here to defend himself, but for specifically calling out and dunk' on Hatten before the week, say, he's not gonna play well.

Tough scene. What did you guys think of? Answer walking off the green on 14 and going straight to the tee, like while Hatten was still putting it. I think it was extenuating circumstances. Yeah. They're trying to get done. Which to Randy's point, I liked it.

It would have been sick if Ryan Palmer started grinding. I think that somebody just slow it down. So that out been sick if Ryan Palmer started grinding. I mean, somebody just to slow it down. So that out of the pace. Four corners off and make everybody come back Monday morning. Guys, I'll, I'll, I'll point your attention to something. This is where stats can lie a little bit. You know, there are lies, damn lies, then statistics, T.C. Terrell Hedden. 11th and Stroke's gained off the tee this year.

First and Stroke's gained approaching the green. Eighth and Stroke's gained off the tee this year. First and Stroke's gained approaching the green. Eighth and Stroke's gained around the green. Very few events I would know in a desert again. 30th and putting. First tee to green and first and total Stroke's gained. How many events? And one of them is a win. Eight measured rounds.

Yeah, that's good as that. So the fact that they even include him in the ranks is odd. First, weird. Eight might be the minimum, I feel like. That's very small minimum. That's a small sample size, right? It's all used to wage that war on the baseball message. Oh, God. Give me fired up about that. People will be citing OPS over the last three games or something like that. Another, you know, again, I don't mean to spike the ball

on him while he's not here, but another shout out to Neil I want to give is he said in his draft Kings preview this week that he was going with all lowball Here's for some reason didn't pick walkie-need in that How got his fun to watch like there's no way Neil knows that walking demons a little Nailed it and look at the weather forecast the weather forecast. It was a good wind. I was playing the wind.

I saw it talk us through walkie-neem and what makes him fun to watch. It's interesting to see him come back from the presence cup. I thought he like it's hard to see professional golf or lower town a lot better than Ro Melvets for walking. Yes, it's hard to see a professional golfer. I guess it sticks out when you see a pro golfer be visibly nervous. That's what the president's couple looked like to me. That's like the last thing memory.

But yeah, the kid obviously can hit the ball and I think somehow, I don't know what the translation is between how he hits the ball low and how well that played this week, but maybe with the greens as soft as they were, he's able to get to a lot more pins, but he can take it deep. It's so easy to forget with some of these guys that Like if he was American like he should be like a junior in college right now Well, he's won on tour I forget if they set it on the broadcaster if it was Justin Ray that said it

But he would have been if he won today He would have been the youngest multiple winner. I forget since who but younger than speed really younger than speed two-time winner Yeah, I was actually trying to research that, but if the PGA Tour had a day to play, I was available, everybody. You know, they keep it behind. They only allow Justin Ray to be able to really monopolize it. CDW, they just monopolize it. It's disgusting.

I don't mean to lean right into the like, a low ball, you know, that only means links golf, but I would pay a good deal of money to watch a feed of, you know, Neiman playing some links course when the wind gets crazy howling. I think that would be. But it's going to be exhilarating at some point. It's weird to watch him hit it. Like I've watched him at Mirfold Village hit it obnoxiously low on a course that does not require that at all.

Like you, you have to, he's, it looks like he's trying to hit it that low. He hits trap draws. Pretty much. Yeah. I feel trying to hit it that low. He hits trap draws. Pretty much. This is a stop for that trap. I feel like Burger hits a really low, like Burger and Neem and kind of remind me of each other. The way that they, they're swinging it, the way they compress it. Their body frame is kind of, they're so much.

Can we talk about Sergio rolling the freaking rock down the stretch today? Please. He made a move. The, the birdie's on 15, 16, and 17. He was rolling the rock, I was impressed. That was, he pops up out of nowhere, man. I don't know. He's one of those people, he's not on your scouting report,

going into the week, and then here he is. He's 126 in the FedEx cup right now. He's the bubble boy. Can we say this? What, please can they get rid of the projected standings? I just, I will look at the actual stand. I actually do wanna know at this point in the season where people are. But tell me where they are in the I actually do want to know at this point in the season where people are.

But tell me where they are in the tournament. Yes, tell me where they are in the tournament. No, you can leave the, I'm fine leaving the FedExCup standing up there, but please get rid of it being projected. Just tell me where they are in the standings. That's a very easy request. And I would think making care more. Yes, I don't know, whatever.

It just blows me away that they never show where the guy is in the tournament. Yes. But they just live now. He gets to our live, he gets to our live, they say like T4 or T18 now. Sir, Sirgeo's 40.

He hasn't won since the Masters. Is he gonna wanna get on the T4? He hasn't won in the United States since the Masters. That's T.C. Very, very important. He's gonna get on the PGA tour though. Jingoister and he. Yes he will.

Yeah, he'll win again. For sure. You're gonna say, you know what I he will. Yeah, the win again. For sure. You're gonna say, you know what? You're gonna say, I'm gonna say no. Me too. Me too. I think he's comfy. I think he is too.

I think he's gonna retire sooner than later. Because there's like top 10 all-time in career PGA tour earnings, which is wild. Yeah. Like he should be comfy. Yes. Yeah. He's very much earned the ride to become. I guess what I'm saying is like, well, if I were him,

Chuck induces, see you guys. He might, well, his quotes this week might have been, you know, indicative of a guy that is very comfy. We're gonna get to our COVID section here shortly. Before we do, we're gonna quarantine that. Let's, let's refer to what Randy called the, quote, cocaine train. Before we get there, Jordan,

before we get there, should we talk about Bryson? I feel like it's all we've talked about for two weeks. We need to acknowledge this week. He was, it seemed like he was right there and he just kind of fizzled yesterday. This seems like, it seemed like he was getting squarely with the driver, at least when I saw him. It was awesome.

It was awesome. It was like what you would picture, somebody who's like, I'm gonna, I want you to hit, he's basically playing a, he's playing Fight Club golf right now. I want you to hit, he's basically playing fight club golf right now. I want you to hit me as hard as you can. And you would think like when that starts to go sideways, it's probably gonna be pretty ugly. Harbortown seems like the place on the PJ tour

where that would be his worst nightmare. And it seemed like he caught that a couple times. And I think he's gonna get to like travelers, like, yeah, I don't know if he's in the field, I assume he is. Like, he'll probably win a travelers. Yeah, I feel like he's like, just bomb it everywhere. It's kind of a the field, I assume he is. Like, he'll probably win a traveler. Yeah, I feel like he's like just bomb it everywhere. It's kind of a bad week and he finished to you. That's what I'm saying.

I actually had to have that. The bogey on number two Saturday was like the OB ball or the one that's called. That's what I mean. Like, you make birdie there and, you know, it's a two shot swing at least and who knows what happens. I think there's a lot fewer harbored towns on tour than I like this quotes afterwards.

Like, if you want to be a number one player in the world and like, you got to play around places fewer harbored towns on tour than I like this quotes after we said if you want to be a number one Play in the world like you got to play around places like harbored town too when he gets to Minnesota Like that's what I mean. Yeah, it's gonna be not are you starting you can cancel Chris? He might win he might win by 10 at hearting bark. There's but I'll tell you there's no one that Sucks at grinding worse than rice like he he gets so but he acted like a Really it was sick. Yeah. I think that's part of the appeal.

I got to spoil it. He's like a bitch every week. Oh yeah, but he acts just more people are watching that. It was, he couldn't get the pipe figured out. He just like couldn't believe that he kept hitting lips and he could not handle it. It was great. He missed one shot and he was walking off the green

and shout out to the improved audio. He couldn't tell if it was, he was walking off saying, like, you know, I just, I don't know if it was the clubs or the ball, but you stole my you hate to see it. Oh, we'll go into that in greater detail there. All right. Back in the cocaine train. To to Jordan's the dead song. Right. Okay, Jim. Hi, I'm cool. Jordan's the dead song. Ryan, that's right. Okay, so Jim. Hi, I'm Kooke. Jordan's feed. You better watch your speed. He bogey, I'm sorry, he triple bogeys his third hole of the week, which of course,

then I'm like, all right, you know what? Not his week, I'm gonna go, I think that was Thursday. I'm gonna go play some golf, we'll check him with speed later. He rattles off six straight birdies on the back nine, shoots 66, five under somehow with a triple, you know, me and TC are, we're just getting the mirror and the razor blade out,

we're ready for a big week. I thought we were gonna OD, man. And just a complete, just a complete fizzle from there. As it turns out, that 66 was like a pretty average round. Right, yeah, golf course this week. We would find out later. He played great. He was seven under on a part 36 side.

And then, yeah, I mean, he sure shot 62 or 63 that day. So listen, Jordan Speaf, T68 this week, we don't need to spend a lot of time talking about it. I just wanted to clear up one thing. I think there's been a lot of talk like, you know, oh, all these people think in speed is back. I don't think, I don't want to speak for you guys. Like, he's definitely not back.

He's just fun to watch. Those are two very different things. I think he's showing signs of life. Yeah. But like, we talked about the round-by-round scoring stats and that stuff. Like, he's Thursday Friday has not been the issue for a number of years here.

And it's been the weekend and it's almost like becoming kind of parody at how similar it seems to be going every single week. I mean, this is, I don't have the numbers to compare this to anyone else in the field, but he had nine bogies this week, a double bogie and another. Like honestly, if you looked at like the whole info

for the course, it was comical how few bogies there were. Yes. I mean, that is so many bogies for that golf course. He played like absolute shit on Saturday. Shut 75 on Saturday. What, and he's getting the Mikkelson treatment too now, where they cut to him, hit the two-foot putt, and your first instinct is like, oh, he misses this. And a bud, that's not a fun place to be.

That is terrible. So I guess if we're doing like what aged better from last week's podcast, either me and TC, it's solid really riding hard to be on the spieth train. I'm still on it. Or Randy saying like, slow your expectations, because it's gonna get worse before he gets better. I don't think that's representative of the conversation.

I don't think anyone was like, oh, he's back. I think we were saying we are here for the ride. Yes. And Rainy is not here for the ride. That's a better way of what. I want to clarify, I have a huge speed fan too. Yeah, of course. I just can't sweat with him day to day

whole to whole because it's too much. I don't, I can't have him in my life. I'd much rather be going through this now and showing these signs of life. And then, but not, you, but not necessarily winning or that. And then he just builds and builds and builds into the fall. So I think we were very, you know, up front last week, first in stroke game putting, not sustainable week over week.

Like, we're not going to drain all those puts until it's not, you know, in week in the opening round, he was best in stroke game approach, which is like, oh, you hit the show out of his irons. Until we see that very clean from T to green, he's not back. It is way too much of a roller coaster. And like we've said, his birdie average, it's not great this year, but over the last two years,

it's actually been really good. It just, he makes so many bogies. And it's not cleaned up. And it's not, I don't think it's, did he always make a lot of bogies? Not really, not to this level. He used to be like a bunch of brain bars. Like a bunch of brain bars.

He was a, That's what I always thought. That's what's really concerning. But that was just the putting masking, some of that too, right? 2017 he was like, I think second and stroke scheme, T2 green, in golf. Like he was a player in the world.

Very good. And he didn't make a lot of bogies because of it. And a lot of people thought it was all putting, but he was actually really2 green in golf. He was a player in the world. Very good. And he didn't make a lot of bogies because of it. And a lot of people thought it was all putting but he was actually really good at ball striking. 2018, he potted his dick off, and hit the ball like shit. And he had no results to show for it. So he doesn't go, he does not rise and fall with his putting. He rises and fall with his ball striking.

Like almost every golfer in the world. Pretty good. But like 2015, 2016, is he making a lot of like, or is he just putting really well in hitting ball? He's doing everything right. He's doing everything right. But 15 ball striking numbers were off the charts. Super good.

DJ, I don't want to, I don't want to reign on your parade here. Do you know who was mini DFL this week? Uh, no, go ahead. Ches. Rana, my parade. I've been very, I was trying to punch Neil in the face on this. The Ches window may have been closing.

I think he kind of bottled something up at the end of last year and I'm not sure it's really sustained. Well, and the worst thing you can do as a coach is, you know, that guy who comes off the end of the bench gives you the all-time performance. If you stick with him, you're gonna lose your job, period point.

They're coach killers in the long run. Which many DFL is last place of the guys who made the cut and now they don't have the made cut, did not finish anymore. So, you know, we've got a representative sample there. Randy to your point, Speed was fourth on the PGA Tour in Strokes game, T-The Green in 2015, Nighton Pudding, which is a great combination. You're gonna win a lot if that happens. All right, that's enough about the people who were outside of the top 65 this week. T-C, I think you mentioned it earlier,

but spectacular field this week at Harbor Town, which you have the likes of Brooks, JT, Rory. Rory, ROM. Rory disappointing week, I think, right on 40th, ROM, 30, something. But Brooks and JT both flashed in some form on Sunday. Any big takeaways there? You're talking about JT Post and correct.

Both JT Post and Ann Justin Thomas. Thank you for that correction. Some of the big, truly the great names in the game of golf. Justin Rose also flashed in some form? Two weeks in a row. Yeah. What do we think of watching Brooks? Brooks looked kind of scary there for a while today.

Yeah, and the thing that he could make any any parts. He couldn't make any parts. And I think the thing that stood out to me was his post-run interview. He thinks he's close. Yeah, I don't know if that's just lip service, but if he thinks he's close, I, you know, that's, that's fun. That's good for golf, I believe. Brooks seems weirdly dedicated to the PGA tour right now. Like it makes me uncomfortable. Like he's actually seems to be pretty and it. It feels like there's good golf courses coming up where he can play really well and yeah. He doesn't seem like he's mailing it in right now.

He's shitting all over Fowdo doing randles. Which was great. That was sick. So for the people who didn't see this, basically Fowdo had said, or I'm sorry, it started with Brooks. Brooks had said, you know, we don't need to be mic'd up because there's boom mics next to us on every hole

and if the announcers would just shut up, they would be able to hear everything we said. Which we proved that this week, that's pretty much true. Faldo, of course, made kind of a mockery of this on the broadcast and said, oh, here's, but who does Brooks hitting this shot? And let's just be quiet so we can hear all these great things he's about to say,

and then he goes, oh, that's fascinating stuff. Of course, Brooks said nothing. Was that a British accent? I don't know what that was. I got really stuck between these patterns there. So then, of course, Brooks today on the 9th hole was playing like 327, I think something like that. Brooks hits it to 3 feet with his driver and quote tweets it says, fascinating stuff. As I said on Twitter, I think, you know, the scholars are going to look back at this

period and analyze and celebrate just how petty Brooks is. And I think that's going to be a really big takeaway from this era. Absolutely. Which, like, Fowdo, and that's, it is such a Fowdo response, like, instead of hearing this very clear feedback of, like, oh,'s, it is such a Fowdo response. Like, instead of hearing this very clear feedback of like, oh, well, he says this and there's no way he's right. And I want to, honestly, I want to know if that was a canned shot that they knew he didn't say anything,

or if it was live. I think it's piercing, but it's really, yeah. They alluded to it, Nancy alluded to it a couple of times. He was like, maybe you should hop on the phone with the mic and then they alluded to it on Saturday. It was everything with Fowl yourself, sir. Maybe, yeah, maybe Brooks should jump on one of Nick's alleged many travel shows that he apparently hosts somewhere. Anyways, JT also looking great. Just sure.

I would echo pretty much everything that we just said about about Brooks. I mean, he looked great at Colonial, bad, fine around. Couldn't make any bots. I find around and then looked awesome today. We should 63 today, something like that. 63, no big deal this week though. Two boats. DJ, if everybody should be.

63, if anybody should be. If anybody should be 63. Laffable. DJ, I got a question for you. Please. I think you got some pen up, rage or anger maybe. Really?

For Ryan Palmer? No, no, no, no, no, that's a misreading of the situation. Then why didn't you type, he's the worst! That's a bold face lie. Me and TC were talking, we're discussing Ryan Palmer earlier this week and just kind of like what to make of him. He's been on tour forever. Seems like a guy I should really like ride for seems like kind of gritty and kind of old school.

And for whatever reason, I just, I don't know, man, he just doesn't really do it. I was talking to Tron, he kind of strikes me as like a, I could see him being like a really, really good club pro. Like the club pro that just beats up, like the West Texas section, but then also has to like be at the course early to, you know, like unlock the carts and get stuff going.

Like he kind of, he strikes me like that kind of, that kind of vibe. And I just wanted to see what, what do we make of this of Ryan Palmer? I just want to get career earnings Ryan Palmer. So much. $20 million. $20 million.

More than that. Oh, more. I was, yeah, I was like 15, 27, 27. Really? How about that? How many wins is he have? Four. He's very good.

He's such a good iron player. Say it. Four is almost a Ricky. Is it 80% of the way to Ricky? I got two things real quick before we move on to more important matters. Remember when Chris Stroud was like tied for the lead today? Quote tied for the lead. Yeah, he finished tied for 28. And that was like, did he stick around for a playoff? I don't know, and then also I'm concerned Matthew Fitzpatrick has the chipping yips.

I have to talk to him about that. Like he was... Was that game recognized games? It's what he was. He was Shakespeare, no. He was straight up awful when he missed a green this week. Actually, I was turned onto a Calam Stewart who was there for your alleged hole in one at Borough.

This, what was that four years ago? This is the first time my hole in one's been brought up not by me. Exactly. Thank you, congratulations. Happy anniversary. So this is the first time my whole and one's been brought up not by me. Exactly. Thank you, congratulations. I'll be a university. So he was the alleged playing partner with Sally that day, but I was following him on Twitter

and he was just, I guess he had, he had thrown some money on Matt Fitzpatrick and he was, he was beside himself because he was chipping so poorly all week. I'm, I'm ready for Matt Fitzpatrick to do a little bit more on tour. Do you think, I think he needs to get rid of the Harbor Town head cover?

That's a bad buy. He's little bit more on tour. Do you think, I think he needs to get rid of the Harbor Town head cover, that's a bad buy. He's 157th on tour this year in Strokes Gain around the green. Randy, you should get a spice push head cover. If they made him, I would get. Or a bag. You can make one, like I'll make one for you, man. We're on a merchandise operation.

And again, I would, I would, again, urge people to go listen to the Hilton head trap draw to hear about Randy buying a time share at the age of what? Like 24, I don't know exactly what 24 is. Right, right, right, coming out of the great recession. Which on that note, I shout out to store.no.langup.com. You wanna give us any update what's going on there? God, we're trying to just keep the shelves stocked. We never talk about it on the pod,

but we have a very large store, online store that inventory comes in and out. I don't know what's, what's coming up for it. We never talk about it on the pod, but we have a very large store online store that Where inventory comes in and out. I don't know what's what's come up for it. Don't fluff it too much because we're Gearing up for the fall for like late summer early fall. We're gonna have a big big Q3 Q4 But swing on by if you're ever feeling needs stored at nolingup.com All right, let's move on to what Maybe might linger as the story of the week. I don't know.

Nick Watney has tested positive for COVID-19 as we heard on Friday. Solid'll start with you. What initial reaction when you saw this news come across your desk, your imaginary desk? Not surprised. I mean, not surprised. I think we were, I think everyone was prepared for this to happen quickly.

I was very surprised to hear that he had come to the course after reporting potential systems and symptoms and not having his test results yet, which is, I was kind of expecting, I don't think we're out of the woods on that, I think it's my point, because the tour was quick to clarify Vaughn Taylor and Luke Liszt, who were his playing partners on Thursday, which he took the test on Thursday that he, and came back positive. They were tested Friday Vauntaylor and Luke Liszt were, and they had said, they're negative, but the way this virus works with an incubation period,

like those guys, I don't, as I understand it, are not in the clear, right? And so if Nick Vaunt know, is touching a golf ball that is going into a hole that everyone's reaching into and it doesn't seem the bubble is very tight. So what worries me about this is like, either the bubble's not tight, which apparently this came from the outside

or he got this from another player or someone else inside the bubble and it's about to run rampant. I don't want to get dramatic. I don't want to get dramatic about that, but that could come out within a couple days of like, oh yeah, now it's got inside the bubble and it's going. Are you saying when COVID gets inside the bubble,

you can cancel Christmas. Cancel Christmas. It's fucking your childhood. You can't sell your childhood. All right, and I was gonna say, if you have a loose bubble, do you have any bubble at all? It's not much of a bubble. I think that's kind of the point,

which I know a lot of people are saying, you know, just up front is it's great that you're testing 400 people, you know, the players and caddies and staff and that kind of stuff, but there's what 1100 or some on site, just random volunteers and there's a lot more than 400 people on site at this event. And of course, people are, you know, you can't, you't, it seems like it's got to be one way or the other and you got to either, you know, do what it seems like the MBA is doing where you're keeping people in an actual bubble. To be fair, the MBA is not doing anything right now,

but they're talking about it. You know what I'm saying though, you keep people isolated to like, you are in the hotel and you were not going anywhere else. Or, you know, you kind of roll the dice. And that's not an indictment of what the tour did. I mean, by all accounts, talking to people on the ground and talking to players and talking to other people, I mean, it seems like the tour has made literally

like the best effort to keep everybody safe to do what they can. It's just, I'm with you. It's like, but weren't they not supposed to get the caddies weren't supposed to be touching clubs, they're not gonna be touching ball. That was in the recommendation. But I think it was funny to see all the British guys, all the British journalists saying,

oh my good, like just going nuts on a third day. Careful with the British accent, that's hard to be sad. But you know, they were all killing the tour. I was killing the tour, but I was killing the tour. I don't like the fact that so much. Yeah, I've never graduated by being on the tour, it's it. But, you know, they were all killing the tour. I was killing the tour, but I was killing the tour. I don't like the fact that so much. Yeah, I've never graduated my field of the tour, it's got. The fact that someone tests positive,

I'm actually surprised it took this long. But the policies seem sound, it seems like they're doing what they need to be doing based on their constituency. The players seem happy with it. That's what matters, I guess. But for me, it's like why would, like, if the guy, if he warranted him coming in and getting a test, no matter if it was symptomatic

or from his Wootband, then like why would you let him mingle around on the range and the practice screen and the parking lot, like that seems regardless of what your policies are, that needs to match up with your policies. And that seemed very quick for everyone involved to be like, we're all doing everything, everything perfectly to protocol. Everyone, golf channels, like the protocol is in place and it

has been followed to a T and I never saw the tour acknowledged that he had come. Maybe they did, they never acknowledged that he came to the grounds Friday. That was a lot of... Let me read from the statement that the tour issued, which was on Friday prior to arriving to the tournament, Nick Wattie reported that he had symptoms, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and was tested. So that turned out to not be true, and he was absolutely on the ground. And that was wording there gets them off the hook

that it doesn't say that he doesn't come to the court. And that's the whole thing that pissed me off on Thursday, it was like cool. This is, maybe it's not straight up dishonest, but it's pretty fucking fuzzy then. So, I think JT's comments were maybe more alarming than a single player testing positive. Like you guys have said, this was just a matter of when, not if. And, you know, the tour has obviously been prepping this exact scenario for a couple

months but I think JT and I don't I'm sorry I don't have the quote right in front of me but essentially paraphrasing yeah guys don't really like into the whole social distancing thing you know it's pretty loose with with everything well I think he was speaking more about hillhead itself the hill had sounded like the town from Jaws basically. Okay. Or Jack's speech where we live. Or Jack's speech, which coincidentally seems to be having a bunch more cases pop up after it opened. But I think JT was definitely speaking much more about Hillton had saying like you drive between the hotel and the golf course and every restaurant is jammed. And it's and I'm speaking to a

couple other players that were there this week, they're like, dude, you leave the hotel and I can't believe how many people are on vacation this week and how packed it is. It's like for once the players actually seem like they're being relatively... Yes, I didn't realize that's possible. That's a great context.

But then of course you had, like Brian Wacker had reported a couple of weeks ago, you know, like, or I guess last week at, was that a colonial? I don't know, times of, times of flat circle, it all kind of blends together. But he was saying, you know, nobody's really taking it seriously and all the caddies they don't care and they're gonna eat and stay wherever and blah, blah, blah.

So it's, who knows, man. It's quote, from Bob Herring, JT speaking some truth. No offense to Hilton head, no offense to anyone. No, nobody. But they're not seeming offense to Hilton head, no offense to anyone. Of course, nobody. But they're not seeming to take it very seriously. Absolute zoo around here. People everywhere, the beaches are absolutely packed. Every restaurant from what I've seen

when I've been driving by is absolutely crowded. So moving to Connecticut this week, I would total conjecture, but I would think like the Northeast scene would seem like they're taking it much more seriously. For sure. And I just even having like, I had my brother come down a couple weeks ago from Chicago and even just him being in the South in general, but being in Florida and he's like, I can't believe like why is like nobody wearing masks like this is unreal.

Like in Illinois, like you can't do anything. It's every single person has a mask on like all the time, is the feeling that it kind of has and I would imagine the Northeast to be probably a little, I know the Northeast is big, but I imagine it would be a lot more like that. But this example is again why the distancing stuff for the players and caddies inside the ropes is extremely important, right? If you play 18 holes, there's six people in your group and you're like, let's just do away with the fist bumps on 18.

Like, you don't need to do that. Let's just all agree. I don't know if it's your fist bump. That's fine. Like seriously, if these guys want golf to continue, this shit is going to be important. When they cut to the range today and everyone is like, the coaches were out there and like talking to the caddies and stuff. And yeah, you're technically within the bubble, but there was not a lot of distancing going on there.

Which I will say, I think statistically, I'm not an immunologist or anything like that, but it does sound like from proximity outside, there's not a whole lot of outdoor transmission. Let's hope that's case. What I mean, I hope the stationary microphone CBS has set up gets wiped down in between ever use. I would think all players kind of getting close hope the stationary microphone CBS has set up, gets wiped down in between every use. I would think all players kind of getting close

to the same microphone. That didn't seem great. Hopefully, Abe didn't pick anything up when he had to move it down. Bottom line, just to the tour, just don't be dishonest in your statements. And try to cover your ass and then get caught and kind of in a life fuzzy.

Yeah, just be straight up. What, is it, give you guys any concern going forward? You think the schedule is gonna go forward as dictated? I think it will. Gonna go forward, yeah. I mean, I think there's definitely concern that if it got in the bubble, then that gives me a lot of concern about the bubble.

I don't really think it's much. Do we know where Watney got it? Is the question. Absolutely not. He was not on the charter. He was't really think it's much. Do we know where Watney got it? Is the question. Absolutely not. He was not on the charter. He was not, he rode with Sergio, which leads me to my next question for you, Rainy. You wanted to ask me a question earlier?

I'm gonna ask you a question. Sergio, in an off-hand moment of levity, I believe, said it's a bummer that Nick Watney, of course they both live in Austin, they share to plane to Hilton Head, said, you know, it's a bummer Nick Watney. Got it, there's many more Austin. They share the plane to Hilton Head said, you know, it's a bummer Nick Watney, got it. There's many more guys on tour that deserve it,

much more than him. So I guess I would ask you, you know, give me two or three names. What do you got? Who deserves the COVID? Yeah, you know, I, I, I, we talking to COVID-19 or COVID-20. No, 19. Okay.

19. We don't even want to, you know, COVID-19. It's not out. I heard, uh, particularly Australian guy already has the 20. I, listen, I'll come better prepared next week. I, I wouldn't want to tell anybody. Why don't you just think about it? And then, yeah, if you, if any names pop pop pop,

you just shout out, Matt, you kneesmith. Why would you say that? He's on my friend's cup swad. Completely nothing personal. Climbs and guy. But if he's a South Carolina guy. Really? Yeah.

Like my bad. If he didn't play in tournament, I'd never know the difference. Well, you're a scumbag. I want to give Sergio the benefit of the doubt on this comment that I think he meant. Like, people that have been less cautious about it, but it's also Sergio and I don't want to give him any benefit of the doubts. And I'm playing the bit for you, DJ.

Of course, I don't wish anybody the COVID. That was an unfair spot to put. No, it is, I believe, Sergio. But let's get in a hamster, damn, should we? Let's get into our coverage. Yeah, I guess. What's all right? How much time does everybody get?

I'm gonna dictate since I think we talked a lot of coverage stuff already 15 seconds. Perfect. 15 seconds. I have a motion for the group before. Okay. I don't know if it needs to replace hamster dam, or maybe it becomes hamster dam, or in the spirit of the chaz that has popped up in Seattle.

I would like to put forth a motion to name hamster dam the coverage hot take autonomous Otherwise means the chance the chance completely community police We're just kind of looking after each other and we're but we're keeping it tight. Yeah, okay The chat if it pleases the group I've Cheshire we call it the Ches John and welcome into the Ches Who wants to go first? I will. Sure.

All right, Neil, sorry, Randy, you got 15 seconds. I got the timer. Ready? Go. I'm the only thing I wonder is did CBS run out of commercials because of the weather delay, and that's why they couldn't show anymore. And I will yield the rest of my time back to the committee. All right, Tron, that means you have 20 seconds.

How does he keep getting all the extra bonus time? Yeah, right. So you got 20 seconds. I don't even want to that badly this week. I just want to say, again, I enjoyed the coverage this week. I don't need more than what we got out of today on this Sunday. That's the overall point.

Do I think it's going to stay forever? No, I don't, but I don't want to use any of this time to rip on CBS until we get to the dance part. Okay. So I'll only use 15 seconds. Yeah, you have 26 seconds. I think it was hard in that. All right, so yesterday, Saturday was fine, wasn't great.

Today was great. I think they got crowned by the Randalay for sure. For sure. I think they also overstep their bounds completely last week on the commercials. A virtual lunchtime. All this, all this says is just how freaking stale and lazy they've been for the last 10 years

where we're seeing a little bit of incremental progress. 20 seconds, your time is up. Senator, good job. I got point in did you want to yeah? I'll take 15 here's what I'm going to say nance mentioned on the pod everybody knows the production meetings that they have for before football games They meet with the coaches they meet with the players. Let's do that in golf sure these guys need to sit down with players They need to find out how they're playing the course what clubs are hitting all kinds of stuff like that Which like isn't that their job to be doing that anyway? Like, wasn't that happening on the range anyway? And my time is done, but I'll continue this conversation

if it pleases the court. That, yes, but like, the players are not agreeable to do fucking anything, as all of us in this room know. And so I think without like a full-on structure from the tour that says, hey, man, you are mandated to do this. We need five players a week. Doesn't have to be the same five players every week. Doesn't like preferably.

Isn't the same five players every week. But five of you need to go in at three o'clock on Wednesday and sit down with the CBS crew and talk about, how do you play 13? How do you play 14? How do you play 15? What clubs are you hitting? What do you get going on in your personal life?

All that stuff would make, God, that would make, I think the coverage so much better. And talking, I, I heat-check this take with a couple players like, hey, you know, am I not seeing something? Are these guys like reaching out to you or like pumping you for info and, uh, no, doesn't sound like that's the case.

I mean, there's no way you're gonna get that through the pack. 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and these guys, time to get tournament week, are you serious? To massively improve the most forward-facing part of your business. How else would be, I didn't learn DJ could dunk a ball until I heard it for the 15th time. And that's what happens otherwise. I feel a little bit for the broadcasters just having to work for the tour and ask players to do stuff.

Dude, they're prepping for a tournament and they're not down for giving you a lot of time. A lot of guys are, and a lot of guys are happy to help you with whatever. I think we saw a lot of this. The Canadians. The Canadians will help you with anything as we saw. Shout out to Adam Hadd would mic'd up this week. Yeah. Yeah, just God, I think that would help so much. And I think like, otherwise you're just relying on the same, you know, two or three coaches that you know, and you're texting guys for info.

And it's just like, in Baker Finches, not, it's no, you know, slight to him. Like, he's not hanging out with these guys and like going to dinner with Doc Redmond and like learning about him. Like, how the fuck would he know anything? Like, what's he gonna learn about that guy that, you know, besides like, what's in his PJ Tour profile?

And that's how you get to, yeah, you can, you won the US Amateur. Yeah, good player. It's like, dude, we gotta, we gotta bridge the gap here, I think, I think that would be a huge help. Yeah, I agree. All right, well speaking of the coverage, let's get into, you know, I mentioned at the top of the show,

we had the velvety dulcet tones of Jim Nance on this here podcast earlier this week. Sully, of course, an interview that you conducted. Let's go down to Sully now for his gut reaction. Well, I kind of want to get your guys feedback on it first. First off, I just wanted to say that we sincerely appreciated the time and the effort and the dialogue. If you want to call it that,

I think we'll have some kind of feedback on how it went. And we got a lot of feedback, a lot of reaction to it, but first I kind of want to hear what you guys thought. I thought Nance scored a spectacular own goal in continually pointing out that they are under the same commercial load as their competitors at NBC, which it's like, man, like Jim, like that, cool, thanks for letting us know, but like

that, that makes you guys look that much worse because like, why do I like NBC's coverage, that much more than your coverage? So the difference isn't the commercials. It's what you're doing when you're on the air. And to that point, we have been clear that the tour contracts stipulate the amount of commercials. It's not like CBS plays more commercials than NBC. Yeah. So I think we have inconsistent about that. Yeah. So it was kind of a straw man from him. Yeah. I would do with that. I was kind of shocked. I would echo you very cool that he wanted to come on and cool that he wanted to start the dialogue as, as I believe you said, but yeah, I don't get why constantly pointing out

like, no, no, no, like we're on the even playing field man. Like that just, like, oh, well, I already liked that one way more. And now like you also don't even have any more restrictions. Well, like, that's way more impressive what they're doing over there. And then also, I think from the perspective of, it felt like a lot of the criticism that he had referenced or that he's heard

has been through third party. Like he's heard has been through the third party, like he's getting it in a game of telephone. Yes. So he's not getting it from the source, he doesn't. So it's watered down by the time it gets to him. Exactly. And I think that plays a big part. And I think you really kept him on his toes

by he was expecting hostility and you completely flipped it on him. And I thought that was sick. Well, I want to ask you about that. So, you know, when people fired up their podcast feeds and saw like episode whatever with Jim Nance, I'm sure they were expecting that same thing. And, oh man, all these guys were rip on CBS all the time. And they're, you know, this is going to be really the come-upence.

I'm curious why you didn't go harder at him on some stuff. If you go back, if you can stomach it, the come-upence, I'm curious why you didn't go harder at him on some stuff. If you go back, if you can stomach it, and if you go back and listen again, you can see, and I'm not going to claim that I was perfect in this, but I tried very hard to ask him questions about his job, right? I didn't want to direct criticisms, and I meant this when I said it to him, like, our beef is not with you. Like, the way you do your job does not materially affect us

as viewers, right? And I can promise you if Lance Barrow was in that seat, like I would, the lead producer for CBS, I would be asking a lot of questions because I would want some answers as to why blah, blah, blah, why this hasn't changed, why you do this, why blah, like a million things, how it's possible, how you lose track of the leaders and don't,

and just the frustrations would have come out there. I felt there was no point. And if you couldn't tell by the way he was answering the questions, there was definitely no point in directing those questions at him. So there are some people out there that wanted us to fight and wanted all that.

And that I wasn't there for that. I was hoping for more, if you couldn't really tell, I don't think you really listened that closely to what the critiques were. He didn't really ask me what they were. He kind of even the questions I would ask, the answers weren't directly related to that. It was, he was filibustering you.

Essentially. It was, he had several points and the things he wanted to get off his chest and say and kind of, it like to your exact point, Tron, it wasn't a reaction to the criticism. It was like, all these guys are hard on us. I need to tell them how hard golf is to cover on TV, which I think almost every conversation we have about it

is like, dude, no one's saying this, like no one's saying this is easy. The first sentence of the first piece we ever wrote about covered stuff back in Riviera four and a half years ago. It said, televising the golf tournament is very hard. There's a million balls in play all this, but all this to say, like, if I'm Jim Nance and I have worked for CBS for 31 years and like the and these idiots have been around

for five or whatever it's been and they've been criticized. I would have a hard time, I'm not saying he's brainwashed, I'm saying like, that is what he's like dedicated his craft to, like being a part of CBS. And so should he come on, does he probably view himself as like a spokesperson

and want to speak on behalf of the whole crew that no doubt works hard and all the things he said, I didn't have the like the heart to really engage him. I'm like, yeah, I've been to tournaments and watch that camera crew work really hard and that's what has blown my mind as to what we get on TV. It's not like you're not capturing the shots,

it's just they're not making it to air. And so, yes, could I have pressed them harder, of course. Do I think that we were gonna get the answers we wanted to these questions? Absolutely not. Like, I promise you we weren't. And if you couldn't tell by just the way that that whole thing went down,

that we weren't gonna get that. I don't really know what to tell you. Well, I think one more big takeaway I had that's kinda in that vein is, you could tell, this is gonna sound very backhanded, but you could tell how, just how much CBS enjoys, you're not watching golf, you're watching golf on CBS. And that's been, I think, at least for me,

that's a massive, massive part of my frustration is like, man, I just don't like how you do this. And we could talk about different things or it's not a technical thing. All your shots look great. Bob, I just don't like the way you package it. Yeah. It's your Tommy Boy analogy.

Yeah, I don't like you, you know, I probably never will. You're short, you're smug on Abby Little Man. You treat people like they're idiots. Which is a little bit of how I felt with Nancy, you know, like you guys just, you don't understand how hard this is. And so what I'll say building on that is I get how CBS would have fallen into that because I have washed off for so long. And when you have Gary McCord and Costis and Faraday for so long,

like that is a very unique presentation. And I can see that being part of, and it was part of, that's a unique thing that people tuned in to watch those personalities for a really long time. That got still like five to seven years ago, and I think they've just been really slow to figure that out and realize like, oh shit. Man, people don't think this is like funny anymore.

People don't think this is cool. Like what do you mean? I thought you guys liked this stuff, and now the personalities they have are just, they're extremely knowledgeable about golf and they're great and they're very like utilitarian, but like we were talking about earlier, Tron, it's like, you guys are vessels to just like

talk to me about the golf tournament. You're not very entertaining, you're not very funny or interesting, like just, you gotta change your packaging. Show me as many golf shots as you possibly can. Show me the tournament. Show me the tournament. Show me the tournament. Show me the tournament. Show me the tournament. Show me the tournament. Show me as many golf shots as you possibly can. Show me the turn. Cover it like a sporting event, not like some weird pseudo document or anything. That's why I thought they did a great job of today.

Which I think we've been pretty clear in our documentation of the issues along. And this made me think differently. It made me think the message has not gotten through. So we're kind of kicking around some ideas of how we're actually going to come together with like, okay, let's make it more clear what we're talking about here.

Right? And a lot of the things he said, all right, so he says, do your podcast without advertising. It's like, buddy, that's not the comparison you want to have. I promise you don't want to compare the amount of minutes we are on. Uber out in ads.

In ads versus what you guys have. And guess what? People have other options for podcasts. If we ran 18 minutes of Ed's, we would get decimated. Like, people would not listen to this. They are the sole rights holder. And that's, we don't have another option. That's my biggest takeaway that I wanna keep. Screaming at every turn, and I promise we can move on

from covered stuff, is the whole, like, yeah, but there's just so many obstacles, and you guys don't realize, you know, you don't realize how hard this is, at every turn needs to be met by every fan with, dude, you don't realize how many other options I have of things to do on a Sunday afternoon. Like I don't have to watch this.

What makes you think like I have to do this? Like what? Your sob story doesn't mean anything. That is super not my problem. So like either you figured out, or I will go do something else. Right. And that is to be shared amongst the tour and the networks as a whole.

I don't push that part on CBS at all. And that's why I didn't even want to waste time talking about it. I didn't ask about that. That's what is also frustrating about this is, I didn't really even get direct answers to a lot of the questions. And I can safely say, if the interview about this is, you know, I didn't really even get like direct answers to a lot of the questions. And I can safely say, if the interview was in person,

it would have gone differently. Because he very much offered up to him again, and I think we should do that. I would love to, I would love to strategize a little bit more on it, and I would, you don't have an opportunity when you do an interview over the phone to interject. It can be very rude.

I don't wanna be rude to Jim Nance, the first time I've ever talked to him. I want to treat him with respect. He deserved that. He volunteered his time and I, we on this sincerely appreciate that. But you can't, I didn't want to, I don't want to get in a fight with him. I don't want to debate him. It's not that I'm afraid to. It's just not who I, we want to direct this at. I'm gonna interject to you and shout you off and we're gonna move on to the next segment. I appreciate it when I listen to shared feedback. I honestly do, I'm not upset at anyone that said you should have pushed harder or any of that.

I get that. I just wanted to explain that it was a conscious decision, not to, it's not that I'm afraid of debate, not afraid of competition. It just was not the time and I can promise that I'm very confident in saying that. It embraced debate. Sure.

Sure. Should we talk about the rider cup? Sure, let's do it. BMW is of course a we talk about the rider cup? Sure. Let's do it. BMW is, of course, a global partner of the rider cup. They're a global partner of ours as well. And there's some news broke last week that we kind of, we didn't, we missed, not we didn't miss it last week. Made some comments online, but there's a lot going on with the return of golf last week. We didn't get discussed. The return of golf trademark. Sorry. That the US is now having six captains picks

as opposed to four and six automatic qualifiers for the Ryder Cup. The current top six, Brooks Capka, DJ, Patrick Reed, Zander Shoffley, Gary Woodland, and Webb Simpson. Now we're gonna be making six, do we, is that current as of like after the, you have to ask us DJ pie here? The standings.

That is, that's probably the update. Last updated June 21st. So yes. So, okay. They are updated. So yeah, we, do we anticipate, Randy, what do you think about the fact that they got into six captains picks?

I like it. I've been on the record. I wish they would go to 12 captains picks. I, that would be the dream. I think that's the world we want to live. Yeah, if you're going to have a captain, let it be entirely their team. I would get rid of everything. So, to answer your very specific question, I love it. I'm very much in favor of it. TC and our team Europe. I'm right with Randy. I think 12 captains picks. My fear with this,

and guess I am team Europe, but my fear with this for the US is that they're just gonna, basically, all right, cool, we're gonna, we're gonna do four of the next six, and then we'll go totally off the grid for the next two, and pick number 11 and 12. They probably will follow it very closely. Deage, what do you think? Yeah, I, of course, agree with my, with my associates,

but I do think it's, you know, you can't, you can't swing the door quite that far. Progress is slow, Randy. It's such an incrementalist. Yeah, exactly. I am. And I do think, I mean, meet me halfway, like six and six is a good compromise.

Six is a hell of a lot better than two, four. I agree. So I think it'll be fun. And I'm curious if we got a long way to go, but, you know, look at that long looking at I guess that's that's true. What's two or three months? Yeah, yeah, three months till the writer cut well looking at this list Who's you know if you? Ballsy

Foe captains over there want to pick some guys from off the radar who like who's who he got on your eye on? Well, I mean if the guys that are outside the list right now I think JT and a healthy tiger, easy picks. Well, let's get like seven through 12. Like seven through 12. It's not gonna have a tangible impact right now. I think, all right, this isn't personal for Gary Woodland, but he's the only name that on the sheet

that jumps out to me is like, I don't know if I need him as an automatic qualifier. What about Patrick Reed? He's probably gonna be pretty hard to bump out of the third spot, but I, Patrick Reed's been on a bunch of teams and has had some success, did not in the most recent one, of course. How is he in the third spot? Do you want to talk about the point system?

Because that's also a point. That's also a point I'd like to make in how people just jarring. People just take this point system to be gospel and think like, oh yeah, how can you pass up on the ninth guy on the Explan you want to explain to me how the points actually work and it's terrible how they work and they follow the money Which is you know It's it's hard to explain it. It's gonna probably take a while We can do the cliff notes version of the big version, but are the give me the cliff notes and cliff notes

Like a context version. All right, if you win a tournament, you get a point per $1,000 that you've earned. And if you get second in that tournament, finish one shot behind, you get way less points than that. And you have not incrementally performed that much, that portal is just heavily weighted. It's a team of four pronounced for majors too, right? It's way more.

It's double points for majors and there's already extra money for majors. So like Jimmy Walker played his way onto the 16 allegedly the 2016 Ryder Cup team by winning the PGA. He was in 29th place. Winds won tournament and then you're in fourth. I know people say, oh, you win a major, you should make the team like, why? Reward consistent play.

This is why you keep ending up with shitty, weird teams and you end up with guys that you don't want on the team. So the point system is just, it's kind of silly to begin with, because the idea would be, if somebody qualified on quote unquote points, you would want to select them for the team anyways, right? So the points only really work for guys that you don't want

to take on your team as captain's picks and are stuck with. So the least amount of guys you can have like that, the better. So going to six couldn't be more. All right, so let me read. Let me read seven through 12 or two. But well, do we have breaking news music on that soundboard because they've updated the standings after a whole my heritage. Yeah. Yeah. Keppka's one, Web Simpson up to two, DJ three, Patrick Read four. That was in the last Patrick Reed for that was in the last sander sixty-nine seconds and Gary Woodland six.

Okay. JT seven, Bryson eight, Tiger nine, Fienau ten, Burger 11, Couture 12. But it's like how it works is Woodland's still getting a bunch of points from last years US open, right?

And just again, this is not targeted. The Hell Beach program. Yeah. The USJA. Hell Beach program. But let's USJA, the Hell Beach program. But let's say he plays poorly leading up to it. Like, why should the US team be hamstrung to take in? Like, why should they have to take him?

But you're preaching to the choir. Yeah. I'd say DJ to your point, like Bryson has to be on the team. Well, I think he'll eventually get in on points. But let me lay this out there for you now. JT, I would think is probably going to be on the team. Bryson's on the team. Kat's on the team. He's got to be on the team Bryson's on the team cats on the team

Fiends got to be on the team. I would take the six captains picks over the six qualified No, I'm not taking fiend out. I'm not gonna be here two and one in France Burger I really like on the team. Yeah, that brings us to Kutcher who shouldn't have been on the last Literally never riding over par Kutcher's been the weak link for 12 years now. So, let's pick Cooters off. And then I want you guys, you know, you're talking about how wild you got to give

with your captains picks, like give me a name with someone who's down the list. Stinky Jordan. Oh yeah, it's an entertainment product for me. So give me Jordan, give me Mikkelson, like, give me, give me the cow. I'm gonna tell you, call on Morcaw's on the team though. Like that's not even bold.

Like Morcaw should be on the team. All right, so over can't lay? Oh my god, yeah. No, I can't lay on for sure. But if it came down to Cantlay or Morcaw, who can't lay for sure? 10 times out of 10. Cantlay.

Dude, it's a Morcaw of putting stuff scared. You guys are way over yesterday putting stuff. Spooked, man. You guys are wide reacting. Careful, awesome in a Ryder Cup setting. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm like careful what you wish for. Booped, man. You're diving. You're acting. Careful. Awesome in a Ryder Cup setting. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm like. Careful what you wish for.

I don't know. Any other names jumping out at you? How about Max Homa, 23? Ooh. Would. I mean, I didn't hear anything. I like for this table. It'd be awesome, pick.

Scotty Shaffler at 33. Joel Damon's plans are really good. Lonemann's plan is great. Lonemann's plan is great. Lonemann's plan is great. Lonemann's plan is great. Lonemann's plan is great. There's gonna be some options for there. I do. I think the US is going to like you do a great job with these six and be bold. No, of course not, but is it a good step in the right direction? 100 big fan. So wrapping up our BM that thank you shout out to BMW. Of course, a great partner.

Speaking of and they're a global partner. So I would like to talk about Europe as well. Are the Europeans also doing a six? No, six and six. I don't think it's been announced that they are, but they've frozen their points earning system as it is, but I'm sure there's gonna be more to come. Which I think they're going off your captains' picks that you had in the Radar Cup draft podcast

a couple months ago. Exactly. It'd be fun to revisit that already, because I think there'd be some changes to those teams. Toad on it. All right, last topic, last big topic for discussion. Soyeon you, when the Korean women's open, donated her entire check, 170,000 pounds. All right.

We'll assume the equivalent of 170,000 pounds. To COVID relief, Randy, you're a resident LPGA expert. Not the first time she's done this. It's extremely impressive impressive first and foremost. Secondly, it's 250 million Korean wand. And that translates to roughly $206,000. T.C. I know you're a big U.S. Global currency guy. I think yeah, I'm not sure what else you know. She donated a second place check last year as well or I'm sorry half of a second place check last year as well. Or I'm sorry, half of a second place check. I'm actually a brush fire relief in Australia.

So I've been getting deeper into the LPGA scene over the last couple of years, quite honestly. And it's a tour that consistently rewards me for that investment between player actions like this, tour communication, stuff that Mike Wonduz out of his commissioner office. This is just more of the same and all the kudos, all the kudos to her. I want to bring up one not to make everything cynical, of course, but it kind of flies

in the face of a little bit of what it seems like we're seeing on the PGA tour right now, which is the fact that purses have stayed exactly the same. I don't, to my knowledge, I'm sure that guys have done things behind the scenes, but to my knowledge, I definitely can't picture or have a herd of a gesture like this on the PGA tour where we're talking about quite a bit more money each week, and I'm curious if that surprises you guys.

I'm curious how that jives with, you know, the charitable mission of the PGA tour. And if this is gonna start to grow a little louder because talking to quite a few people in golf, it really seems like it's going to. It's a leading question for you, but. Just, I would just say, yeah. I would just say it's time to kind of explore

that question, I would think. It seems really weird and, you know, speaking to a few people that work around within the charitable organizations and stuff like that that they're kind of taking they are taking a hit in their time of need I mean, I'm trying to employ these taking a hit as well I know they're like they were taking pay cuts and I just don't like we were talking about it earlier today

Tron and again, I know it's very easy to spend somebody else's money. It's very easy to kind of just hook these from the cheap seats, but doesn't it seem really easy to lop the purse by five or 10% and just give that to the charitable organizations that are, you know, that the host organization is putting up, you know, these events and giving their charitable donations to all of these different organizations in and around all these towns and I'm curious how that fundraising is, you know This was all covered well well well before golf came back like what's gonna happen with no ticket sales with no ProAM sales with no hospitality sales

That's the money that goes to these charities. And I'm just a little curious as to how these things are going to start to shake out because it seems like the scales are wildly tip to right now. But this was my or it was going to be my you hate to see it last week. But it wasn't. But it wasn't. I'm giving them time. And that's where I'm at. And I'm sure there's listen, the tour has literally given billions of dollars away in the last few years. But they also don't pay taxes. I was gonna say it helps them immensely. But I'm just saying, I'm sure there's things going on behind the scenes, but I haven't really heard about a lot of it.

Yeah, curious what that is. Literally the only stakeholder, and I know they lost a few tournaments, which that's, but those are, that's the guys on the bottom of the food chain, missing out on earning, where, you know, all the top guys are gonna play the same amount of tournaments this year. And so, the only guys that haven't taken a haircut, this whole COVID thing, or the top players. That's kind of what it seems like,

and that's the optics I'm getting at here is that doesn't quite seem to be. And if the tour is set up to sell you on you, or for choose what you did. And if the tour is set up to sell you on you, or for choose what you did. And if the tour is set up to ostensibly, like the entire point of having these tournaments per their charitable arrangement is to raise money for these causes, and that isn't happening, then cool, like we need to reevaluate the entire tour.

And we don't know that it's not happening. However, there's no players that are currently getting open-door tweets that are praising the tour for breaking certain barriers of charitable giving. I haven't seen that in a little while. So listen, who knows? The tour is trying to get their product back up and running and they have had thousands of different hoops

to jump through over the last few weeks, but hopefully this is something that gets addressed because it seems like really weird, really weird optics for all these guys to basically just get back to business as usual and alternative as you pay taxes. All the vulnerable parties taking a hit. And they're making their corporate partners look bad because they're basically forcing the corporate partners to make up for all of it, I think. It was last, last known, we can quickly wrap this. So, young, specifically donated to fight

COVID-19, and I think we'd be remiss not to, you know, talk about the tailor-made drive for relief in the match, which is of course millions and millions of dollars for COVID with some PGA guys. What you guys are rightly talking about are the week to week every year annual charities that feed off of these PGA events. I just wanted to clear that up. That's an essential addition to the conversation. All right, let's get into our wrap up segments. We introduced these last week.

I think they're quickly gonna become one of my favorite parts of the show. We gotta get to them faster next week. But let's do that. Let's start with the, you hate to see it of the week. I think they're quickly going to become one of my favorite parts of the show. We got to get to him faster next week. Let's do that. Let's start with the, you hate to see it of the week. Randy, you came up with these segments. I'd love for you to kick us off. I think I might be stealing somebody's, but my, my hate to see it was Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' news conference starting like right in the this news conference starting like right in the golf CBS window on Saturday. And it was a long press conference.

And I got to be honest, one, I don't need Ron to say this on my television too. I they lost me. I didn't stick around for the golf. It's gone. We lost him. What'd you go do? I went out to the beach.

Yeah. So you hate, you know, big rainy night watching golf, you hate to see that. You know, Sally, you kind of talked, touched them already, but you know, Sergio Garcia just going out of his way to say something dumb. You really do hate to see. You do. I also love to see you. Yes. Try and go ahead. Oh, man. I could go with this. I hate to do this. I hate to do this guys, because he was one of my picks in the draft kinks thing this week.

I had him at 301, Matt Wallace, he was right in the mix. I think he was T5 at one point. Shot 77 in the top. I was like, that's not it. That a whole lot of bogies out there, he found it. It looks like he found all of them. You hate to see that. You hate to see. You know what you guys are, you guys were a little toothless this week, I all of them. You hate to see that. You hate to see.

You know, you guys are, you guys were a little toothless this week, I gotta say. I expect you to dig in, go hard on someone, so I'm gonna go hard for you here. This is a article from sharesluth.com, which is a kind of like a disruptive start-up investigative journalism outlet. It's not like fake news aggregate.

No, it's run by your boy, the cubes. It's a new investigative journalist and outlet that he started. The cubes also might be a moron. Who can say? Anyways, this is from a story called Do CBD MD Incorporated Celebrity Indoresers Know Who They're Doing Business With. Of course, you might recognize CBD MD as the company sponsored by, or that sponsored bubble Watson.

It's on his, on his visor. Turns out they had not disclosed that is a public company run jointly by a pornographer and a promoter with ties to multiple business failures and frauds. Sick. R. Scott Kaufman, who became the CBD MD co-chief executive in July, also operates

the Adult Entertainment Broadcast Network. And then the other guy that's involved here is just like, has been implicated in a million different fraudsuits. And I guess Bubba's tied up in this and who knows whether he knew about it when he signed the deal or not. But anyways, he hates to see that. You hate to see Bubba he signed the deal or not. But anyways, he hate to see that.

You hate to see Bubba get involved with the people. You truly hate to see that. Breaking news just came out. Rob Bolton, Daniel Berger, not playing travelers this week. Let's be a little fatigued after I would imagine he's got to be a little sleepy. He's got to get back to the fleet. Let's move now to the rub of the green of the week. Randy again.

We touched on it a little bit, but my rub of the green was the wind not blowing, you know, that the course kind of rolled over. And yeah, it's truly, that's just the rub of the green. That's the rub of the green. It's all right. It didn't end up playing a factor, but almost the mega rub of the green situation. Carlos Ortiz's caddy failed to, failed to rake the bunker behind 18 green. He was named allegedly there was two

balls back there it was uh... michael is of course who is there much earlier in the day about the 77 and Carlos Ortiz glad you confirmed it the cat the players and caddies acted like they found a dead body in the bunker by a polver shot yeah as a plactic but uh... if a you know, if the tournament had been decided, if nobody would have seen that and the ball would have rolled in there, rolled into a footprint, that truly would have been the rubber degree.

TC? Rubber the green. I'm taking this very, very literally this week. He's rubbing some green, Nick Watten. People are saying that, and I guess golf digest confirming this, people are saying that, and I guess golf digest confirm this. He's rubbing as DC does Johnny Man's L fingers. He's rubbing some green. It's a hundred thousand

dollar stipend over the next few weeks while he's, while he's hanging out on the hill head. Do you think this was a calculated career move for him? I don't, if it was somebody else like, say David Brigonio or Keith Clearwater last week, like one of those vets last week, they got the start, that absolutely would have been the right move for them.

But yeah, I think it's, you know, it's definitely, so I think, you know, I had heard 100K, and then we had heard after, in fact, that it was a percentage of the average, it was the average of your previous, you know, however many checks up to 100 K. But I guess it's been confirmed. It's, it is 100 K and then the catty gets 30 K too. That's, how about that? Truly the gravity of the group. Good work if you can get it. It is. I had a, I had just a quick one, another pretty literal one. Adam Hadron was miked up, of course, this week. Ben Down trying to move a rock.

Turns out it was a clump of sand. Just really crumbled in his fingers. He had, it was a whole rules thing. That's the rubbery green. That's a shitty part of that rule. It is, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, It's a very, very shitty, when Rory got the other side of it last year, right?

Well, and especially when, you know when you always point at who was, was it Stuart Sink? Paul Stu Sink and Ted. At her, at her. At her. When he's just grain by grain, he's just digging those things out. But apparently when they're stuck together,

that's a rules and fractions. I golf, man. Grow the game, baby. That's truly the rubber green. Peek ahead, of course, we're going to the travelers this week. I think we'll cover that much more in depth probably on our our draft Kings preview Tuesday on our YouTube channel. Any burning thoughts on travelers we want to get out right now? Another very important. It's one of those courses anybody can win.

It's fantastic finishing stretch. I was just gonna say if the draft Kings then give you enough hard-hitting golf analysis, be sure to tune into the trap draw preview as well. Are you willing to tell people who the guest is this week or now? Two two Yeah, so we'll be surprised also knock on wood. It's a really good one Cornfairy going to Utah this week kind of going back to their regular schedule after two weeks here in Northeast Florida Congratulations to Chris Kirk absolutely believe this kicks off soapbox Sunday.

It does. Oh, okay, yeah. There we go. Go ahead. So, soapbox Sunday, our last news, that's it. Yeah, I think often it gets conflated. You've touched on this a little bit on Twitter this week, DJ. I think it gets conflated when guys truly overcome adversity versus when we may have a class act situation

overcome adversity. And like Patrick Reed cheats his face off. And then, oh man, he sees all the personal things he's overcome. Yeah, and it's like, no, that's not adversity. That's just him being a dick. And so when somebody actually... What is adversity, but it's self-inflicted adversity. Yeah.

So when somebody goes through depression and alcoholism and comes out on the other side of it and wins their first golf tournament after that, like that's a legitimately cool thing to see and he played his butt off down the stretch. So, couldn't have said it better myself. Hopefully that gets the do that it deserves and shout out to Chris Kirk for not only, obviously, like, coming back and winning and playing great, but like being extremely transparent and open and kind of what I was trying to get at on the on Twitter was like, man, people will just like bend themselves silly trying not to say depression or not to, you know,

try not to talk out loud about it or talk about what it feels like, talk about what it's like to go through it and ask for help, all that kind of stuff. And Chris Kirk very easily could have taken a leave and just said, hey, I'm going through some stuff and don't ask me any questions about it. I'll see you guys later. But instead, he really seemed to let people in and gave a lot of interviews about it and that might end up helping someone. Yeah. And that's where it's like, if you're going to kind of, you know, that's going to be grandiose.

But if you're going to change the conversation or change the tone around something, like you gotta talk about it, head on. And so shout out to him, that was awesome. Randy, just in the lower finish runner up. And of course, just hit our young hitter, of course, Finn. Lowers gone through some adversity as well. Yeah, so let's not conflate that.

A story for another day. Randy, what do you got for your soapbox? I'll be extremely brief. TC, that was wonderful. I had pointed out burgers on the verge of catching cat and I, you know, kudos to Colin Moore Kawa for making another cut. And he's just a couple behind.

These are two guys that are on the precipice of taking some of Tiger's records, all-time PGA tour records. And I think that's crazy impressive. And I think it's also a little mind-boggling that these guys are not like necessarily generational stars yet. I think it speaks to how much talent there is out on tour. And in a more competitive era, they're doing this. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll step up. God, my mind sounds so dumb after this too. I just want to go shout the gambling.

And to be really clear, I have wagered zero. It's just like this draft king thing we're doing with just we're betting points. We can't legally play spets with the draft king sports book here in Florida. But I felt alive following a bancer with our Fred X cup. We've got going like, there's nothing on the line, but I have guys I'm rooting for

because I'm going against my buddies with it and it makes me feel like it. You create your own reality, man. Exactly, you have to. Otherwise, it's like why have I've been watching this for three hours? And if you want to just like, send DME picks that you're making for the week

and it's not for anything, but it gives you something to root for, just do it. Like, it's fun. Like, it's just fun to watch golf with that in mind and I would struggle to watch it without it. So shout out to Gamble. That was the whole, Gamble responsibly. Yes, Genesis of the FredEx.

I couldn't agree more. And to be clear, you're telling everybody two Gamble, go Gamble as much as possible. What a hundred and five minutes pass. What a hundred and nine minutes. It could be pennies for all I care, but it gives you a little sum to roof. My soap oxygen will wrap it up

is I wanna give shout out to all our friends at PGA Tour Live. I thought they did an awesome job this week. In a couple different ways. I think everybody has been saying, the tour has this premium streaming thing, like they should get weird and they should try things. This should be like an experimental proving ground

for doing different things. And I thought PJ Tour Live did that this week. They brought in Christina Kim as an analyst who was awesome, complete breath of fresh air, glad to see her. Today they had TC, I know these aren't your boys, but West Brine and Bubble Watson were playing together and they had exactly what we were saying last week on the pod where it's like, dude, just get a boom mic in, like they don't have to be wearing mics, just capture a little bit and they were totally hamming it up for the cameras. Two of, people don't really love being like,

oh, Bubba's so funny and Zany, but he was admittedly, reluctantly pretty funny. So that made it a lot more fun to watch semi-meaningless golf on a Sunday morning. So at certain points, over the last couple of weeks, I felt like the coverage has actually gotten worse when I've turned off PGA to alive and gone to the golf

channel feed. Yeah, those guys have been doing a great job. So shout out to them. And honestly, last, God, I can't believe I'm going to squeeze in one last shout out to CBS. But all the restrictions they currently have, a three hour rain delay and extending that day into a literal sunset on Sunday at the end of the week had to be exhausting for a lot of people there. So amazing what happens when the when the tour players have to play fast, a lot of people there. So amazing what happens when the tour players have to play fast. They can actually do it. They got it done.

So, and we did not play fast in it. We were in our 40s, so we're gonna wrap it up. There was a lot to talk about, that was great. There's a lot of fun. So thanks everybody for tuning in, lasting this long and we will see you, if you're still listening. The episode this week, our usual,

we usually put one up Tuesday night, it's probably not gonna come out till sometime Wednesday. There's a reason for that. You'll see why that is on Wednesday, but then we usually put them up Tuesday night. It's probably not going to come out till sometime Wednesday. There's a reason for that you'll see Why that is on Wednesday, but then we'll check in with you then cheers That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.