No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 332: Memorial Tournament Recap

Episode Date: July 20, 2020

Jon Rahm blows away the field, and then he doesn't, and then he does again. We discuss a wild weekend at Muirfield Village, the weird rules situation down the stretch (13:00), Finau, Bryson (29:30), course setup (47:30), why this doesn't happen every week, segments (1:23:00), and a bunch of listener questions. This one went long and we're not even a little bit sorry about it. A whole lot of fun in this one.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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about the moral tournament. You know what, the memorial has always been a little faceless in my mind. I know you obviously grew up going to it and have a lot of fond memories of it. I remember it just as kind of a great lush green, you know, nice looking golf tournament that Tiger Woods won a lot, but I don't have a lot of like memories memories of it. And this year was fucking awesome. It might be great. Great in July. Yeah. It might be really good in July.

That's a really good take. Before we get going, we're going to do a lot of stats. This is a very, it might be a very stats centric pod today. A lot of stuff from today is round. This week's tournament over the course of the pod, but one thing that always comes to light, the guys the top of the leaderboard, you'll almost always see it. Now this, we talk a lot of drive for show, putt for dough, but what really separates the guys of the top of the leaderboard, they have great putting weeks, almost always.

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I feel like he's been through the wilderness. Seems like a very cheeky bloke. We'd love to hear an extended conversation. Danny or Pete, which one new? Both. We can get a do around table. I feel like, uh, where do you want to start? Let's start with, uh, John Rob or as uh... as uh... you know romp of course is the larger golf or likes to call

uh... my homie lou brown on twitter also calls of the anagram uh... ron jay ham which always makes me laugh uh... let's start there he's literally number one in the world that's unbelievable is is is returned to golf has not been anything, it's just, it's returned to golf, has not been anything to write home about. He showed up. Well compared to how he was playing. Correct. He was so hot before everything shut down.

And all the way, like wrapping back, sorry, reaching around back to last year, had such an amazing finish to the year and was playing quietly some of the best golf in the world. I, I mean, it does not take a lot to have noticed that, but I will say we were tracking that rather closely and mentioning that at every stop because it felt like people weren't really talking about how good he was playing. I kind of fell asleep on him, to be honest, just because of,

you know, what's all that's been going on in the last several weeks. Price and spend distracting me, as you might imagine. Absolutely. We're going to get to that, but- Well, number one point in the world and deserve it. Like, a lot of questions floating around, like, you know, can you should be able to get to number one without having one of major blah world and deserve it. Like a lot of questions floating around, like, you know, can you be able to get to number one without having one a major blah, blah, blah. Like, no, dude, you get to number one by being just really good at golf and beating the best players very frequently.

Yeah, and it's a good example of, you know, the fact that the world rankings is not a power rankings. Like it basically is reflective of, you know, what you did four months ago, six months ago, that kind of stuff. And like you're saying, I mean, going in the last fall, it was one of those times you kept waking up and kind of looking at results. And like, oh my God, John Ram was the best player

in the world. And why is nobody like talking about this? This guy is, it's one, two, three, five, one, one, two. I mean, it was nuts. And so, it's all the world golf ranking discussion. He's not a manipulator. He didn't get to number one through the European tour.

Like, that's not what this discussion is about. He's deserved the manipulator. He didn't get to number one through European tour. That's not what this discussion's about. He's deserved the golf this week. I mean, we're going to talk a lot about the conditions, but man, it is wild to see somebody separate like that and put on, I mean, he struggled a little bit on that back nine, which, of course, we're going to blame on him drinking the water with the glove hand, which was a completely reckless move on the 10-C. Psychopath.

That was wild. He couldn't grip the club after that. Glangeloor issues out the ass. And for God, that shot on 16, we're going to talk about the ruling and all that, but that shot was so good. And for people that watched a lot of golf this week, you saw how many times that shot did not go well for so many people. And he just dropped that in the bucket.

As soon as he hit the green, I was watching with hand and I was like, that's in. That's going in. And boom, I really missed crowd at that point. I really missed not having fans. Totally. It puts a lot of onus on the player to really like JTA was obviously very good at it last week. You know, the kind of big, the big celebration.

So awkward. It's so awkward. You got to just fully commit to it. Otherwise, you're going to look like a clown. But I thought, you know, I thought Ram was very committed to it. He looked great. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out where to start. So you set a couple, a couple interesting things. I don't know if you want to go full-rom or full set up stuff. Let's go wrong. Let's do it. Let's stick with Ram. We're just going to lob stats back and forth with each other. This one, you're going to hear this name a lot, but of course, from

my guy Justin Ray, fastest players to world number one in the history of the official world golf ranking. Rahm is the third fastest. Of course, I'm sure you can probably guess the other two. The big, and, the big cat, and Lee Westwood. And Lee Westwood, who took 18 and a half years. Wait, was Speedlow, actually one of them? Speed was second.

Oh, I was counting about that. The cat was first. I didn't know how to speed that. Tiger made it in two hundred and ninety days. He got to world number one and two hundred and ninety days. So before he was one. Yeah, exactly. Jordan's speed, I believe this is after turning professional.

Jordan's speed two years, two hundred and forty five days. So just under three years. John Robb, four years and twenty seven days, which people forget he's 25. He's been around for a while, we've been watching him for a while, but man, he's like, what, he's a couple years older than Moor Cawa,

even, you know, and it just feels so different watching, watching even, you know, last week and kind of like, oh my gosh, these young up in commerce, it's like, man, Robb's young up and comers, it's like, man, ROM's still so young. Yeah. I think it, I don't mean to twist this into being a speed fanboy, but also, like we just blew past.

Definitely. 11 wins for speed by the time he was like 23. And JT's and I came too. But it has lured us to sleep on guys that have, like, as many wins as ROM at this age, because we just saw someone do it and we lost him. He's gone. I wouldn't say he's gone, but we don't have that guy anymore.

So when somebody has won, what does this five? This is four. Four wins at 25 isn't that impressive anymore relative. Compared to the freaks. Correct. Because Bryson's done this too. Bryson won five, I think, by the time he was either 25 or 26. The thing with ROM, though, is outside of the PGA tour,

too, he has won some big events on the European tour and has top five more frequently than somebody like Bryson does. So it's a deserved resume. I mean, we can talk about, I know there's a bad week to talk about Bryson's floor since he missed the cut, but yeah, Ram's floor has always felt a lot higher.

Yeah, you know, and I know he misses cuts and he has bad weeks, too, as we've kind of seen in the return to golf. The quote unquote bad weeks, but yeah, he got he just seems so solid. And like watching him today, the analogy that kept coming back to me on that front nine was like he was throwing a no hitter.

Yeah, you know, I mean, it was so good. It was just every single shot was like, God, that's exactly where you had to hit it But only they want it. Yeah, on a different stuff in it He was just a little off on a couple he gets behind in the count He still finds a way to get the guy out, you know, whatever and then and he gave up some runs on the back Well, it wasn't he didn't pitch a no-hitter He might have had to call in a reliever for the Todd coffee. I believe had to come in from the bullpen

God, that's a deep cut reference to a big rating tweet. Search big radio. I know you'd Todd coffee. There's a little Easter egg for you one day morning. But it was, I thought they did a great job on the broadcast of just pounding in. I mean, it was very obvious how difficult conditions were and everything, but making you appreciate when the guys executed a shot that looks very pedestrian on TV to have somebody just tuned in Sunday afternoon, but being like, no, no, that was really good.

He had 30 feet, you gotta keep doing that all day long. And as soon as he stopped doing that, is when it got my sphincter tightened up a little bit. And that's where, so I was thinking about this, this is where I was gonna go if we wanted to get into the condition stuff, but I've been thinking about this a lot, like watching the different types of setups and the different types of leaderboards.

And I think there's absolutely no argument anybody could make that a day like this doesn't identify the best player, right? Like of course, someone like Ram is going to rise to the top and just kind of blow out the guys who don't have their A game. Whereas the soft conditions we see much more frequently, much more week to week are going to have much more bunch to leaderboards and probably more fireworks and more excitement. And I'm too, now, I know where you're going, but I'm with you. I'm with you.

I'm following you. I, when I say more excitement, I think I mean to a more casual fan, I guess. And I don't mean to, to be like high-minded or anything, but you had to have a fairly high golf IQ, I think to appreciate exactly what Ron was doing, if that makes sense. And it was a bit snoozy today. It can be until you're really watching on that front line,

and it's like, God, it's so hard to hit it to 20 feet there, man, like that is sick. And I think that's where, of course, this is, there's gonna be a coverage take, mired in here somewhere, but that's why it's so hard to drive that home or so important to drive that home. It's like, man, you gotta explain how hard that is and why that's so hard.

And one way, weirdly, I've been shouting these guys out a lot lately, but PCH or Radio does a good job of that where they'll have, each week, I think they just have their producers go around or whatever and they grab a different guy to describe each whole. And it's amazing, like driving, you know, I was driving in the car today and the leaders got to eight and I heard Steve Stricker describing the eighth hole. And like, okay, I usually hit an eight out of it or seven out of the front.

I usually hit a nice comfortable six to the middle. Sometimes it's a five to the back. You can't miss here. You can't do this. And just hearing like a player describe it, I middle. Sometimes it's a five to the back, you can't miss here, you can't do this. And just hearing like a player describe it, I was so much more locked in even over the radio than I am when it's just the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, but with the flyover music and it's like,

oh, I'm just so preconditioned to tune out what you guys are saying. Anyways, that was a long rambling way of saying, I think for a really hardcore golf fan, like a date it like today is as good as it gets for me, but like, I could see a casual fan being like, yeah, it was kind of boring, the guy was just up on a lot. Having bite, I think, at Ken,

add a lot of excitement to it, a lot of intrigue to it, like just having guys that, with the league bogies, you had a lot of interest. Exactly. So that's why Heritage was just, like no bite coming down the stretch of that, was kind of boring. It was exciting, that's a lot of interest. Exactly. So that's why Heritage was just like no bite coming down the stretch of that was kind of boring. It was exciting because there's a lot of guys gun and making birdies. But like I needed like some some balance in that.

And there was some I thought Saturday afternoon like the first six holes on the back nine. The way they had set those pins and how those conditions were playing, it was awesome. Like the the pin was kind of semi-middle, back-ish. It's weird to describe the 14th green, but if you got pin high left, eight feet, you were stuck in the rough above the, you had to risk hitting that shot if you wanted to get close to it.

Otherwise, if you missed short ride, it's gonna spin away from you a little bit. And that's the kind of balance of, dude, these dudes are so freaking good that I wanna see them have to hit that shot more than just like, hey, this is 120, fire at this pin and make birdie. There's so much more balance to the tournament.

And that's what, like having Ron win this makes so much sense because he separated himself as far as being able to hit those shots on repeat. Had some slip ups, but he had built up such a lead. Like that's, he just hadn't had his, his fuck ups for the week and everybody else had it at different times. That's gonna happen over 72 holes in those conditions.

You guys will do it one year, up by eight. That helps a little bit. Couple of ROM numbers. Stroke's gained T-degree, first, stroke's gained around the green first. That's gonna be a good combo. You know, I love about that. That was the stat and then he got penalized two shots,

which hurt his approach to green and he still stayed at number one in the T-. That's how good he hit it. And he gained to over two shots on the greens when she was on him. Stroke's gained approach, eighth, accuracy, fourth, stroke's gained off the tee, fourth. Just, I mean, and all this like he lost strokes to the field and putting in the second and fourth rounds. Yeah. And still had an H. shot lead at some point. So that's hitting the ball really, really good. He's just an absolute ball hitter. The graphic on his swing that they did,

the swing tracer on it. Those have been awesome. They are awesome. But it's, I've been really surprised at the development of watching them week over week as to even swings that look very back and forth, that there's a lot more rerouting going on in the swing than you, than I would have thought.

And ROMs was like a perfect trace. And that honestly made me think like, okay, that guy's probably gonna win. I now think he's gonna win more having seen that. Like you have built a golf swing that is just like, yeah, it is super simple. It's kind of the golden T swing. It's a very golden T swing. Another big rating tweet that it's not Kevin Chappell.

It's like, eventually Kevin Chappell's not gonna have a backswing. It's just gonna be like the forward slam of the gold team. Lord, bang the body or head up into the screen. Let's talk about the rule, the rule is incident on 16. We got a lot of questions about this. One, did you think, let's ask the first one from Nile Collins 20. Why did Rom get penalized today?

But Finau didn't get one yesterday? Did you see Finault's green side chip? For the purposes of this podcast, sure. Yes, I did, but why don't you describe it? Well, he addressed it near the, near the, the, it was a kind of a similar chip, he addressed the ball and it wiggled a little bit. Like it, I believe the correct term in the rule book

is it oscillated. Sure. But didn't change locations. Like if you screenshot it, I did not do this, but if you took the brand of his golf ball at the beginning and at the end when you hit it, the beginning of the club and the end, it was in the same spot.

So the ball did, might have wiggled, but it did not change positions. Rahms ball on 16 by any definition in my mind, that logo moved from the right to the left. Like the ball moved. Do you agree? It was a total George Costanza. It moved.

Just a little bit, but it did move. Which I am so team, it oscillated when it's a given the benefit of the doubt on all this stuff. There's these rules about cameras and if it isn't supposed to be, if it's not reasonable that it wouldn't be visible to the naked eye, then it should not be a penalty.

But like if you, I think, I believe Ron when he says he didn't see it move, but he could have seen that move. I get moved enough that the human eye would have seen that. Totally. And I think it's also, it's not like he, one of those ones where you kind of walk up to it and it moves, I mean, he was kind of jamming the club down.

Yeah. I'm there pretty good in the rough. A little bit, which, that was about the third or fourth time they had showed that camera angle, which shot it to CBS. That's a sick angle. And I was like visibly nervous every time. Yeah, I don't want to see anymore.

God, he's like really mashing the club down back there. I hope it doesn't move. And then that one on 16, I saw it, and I was kind of waiting for someone to hit our group chat. Like, hey, did that ball move? Because I saw it, and I'm like, I think that moved, but I have so much PTSD from the old rules, incidents of the Collins, and I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that.

I think that would be easier. Do I think it made it easier to hold a shot? No, I didn't. No, it didn't make it easier or harder. It didn't change. It was not intentional. I don't think he wasn't improving his line anyway. None of that.

No sea where I didn't want to say the sea word involved in any of this. That's not what's going on here. Don't send me videos unless it for sure moved. Send him to Neil. Yes, send him to Neil as the rules expert on this. So a question came from John Vodennicker, did Amanda overreach in the interview? He says, quote, I think so.

Talk about stealing some joy, thought Ron handled it as good as he, as anybody could. I thought he handled it as good as anybody could, as well, total gentleman throughout the process. So it's been a bigger gentleman. I don't really know. I was kind of thinking about it. It's a really awkward situation.

On one hand, I think CBS is probably playing defense a little bit from the bullies like us who are gonna be like, what the fuck you got to ask him about it? What the hell? On the other hand, I'm like, well, it literally didn't affect the golf tournament at all. He, even with the penalty, he's still won, which is where I'm kind of like,

I didn't really need to hear from him, to be totally honest. And so I give him credit, I guess, for going out on a limb and I give Fowl though credit, and a lot of those guys for actually being given that move. We need to talk about this. There was not a lot of whitewashing going on.

I didn't think it felt pretty natural. So I would give him credit in that regard. But also if they didn't ask, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have been up in arms either. Like you said, it doesn't affect the outcome of the tournament. I think if it would, you know, if you would have won by three, and that would have brought it down to one, I think it's a much more relevant question and time to do it, I still think it's, it's totally, and it is steering into the entertainment

factor. And I wanted to shout that, shout them out for getting that in. Like, it was clear a producer had said, make sure you ask about this, and getting Ram's reaction to it too, like that's something I would want to see. Like, whoa, I did not. I felt like he got pretty defensive pretty quickly. Like, I would have said something if I saw it move, which that's perfect.

I want to see that reaction. I think that's valuable to the conversations. Ram runs really hot, man. Do we want to talk about slam in the jar every second? In a second, Michael Reed asked, should the PGA tour have notified Rob and Palmer after the whole that there was a possibility of a penalty? God, I think Palmer gets a little more aggressive with that knowledge. It's like the hardest, it's tough.

It's like one of the hardest finishing holes, maybe the hardest finishing hole on the PGA tour. He's down by five, man, I think he's trying to fucking birdie the hole. Yeah. I don't think he would change the strategy. I don't think he would change the strategy. Let's not let this second question distract him the first one. Should they have told, Ron or Paul Merms? I don't think so.

I mean, I was the threshold. If he's up by three, do you tell him? Definitely, right? I would think so. He was up by five. Right? He was up by five, do you tell him? Definitely, right? I would think so. He was up by five. Right? He was up by five. On paper.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, up by five, I don't think it matters. But I think, yeah. Three is probably the threshold, I think. I think even four, like I don't wanna know if I got in trouble off the tee. Like, oh, I can still make double and then you come in, you make double

and you are in a playoff. Or if Palmer McSperty, you lose it. From a pure chaos standpoint, I was kind of rooting for that. Just like a sloppy double and Palmer kind of runs it along snake or something. But at the same time, we shredded the USGA for going up to DJ and be like, we don't know if it's a penalty yet or not,

we're looking into it. So I feel like this was, we're gonna get back to you though. As soon as we know, you'll go. 16th Hall, I think, like, it is a different situation, right? Because there was, like we knew DJ's ball moved. It was just whether or not the player had caused it to move, right? This scenario was like, hey, if it moved, you caused it for sure. Like, you know, that's a fact.

So I think it'd be a different kind of thing. Like, hey, we're gonna need to look at it on video. Whereas with DJs, we can look at it on video. You want it, I didn't make it move. So it's tough. It's a tight turnaround. That's a tight window to communicate all that stuff. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that one,

I think. There's a lot of stuff going on, a lot of moving parts, but I guess at the same time, it's like, there's really only one group on the course that doesn't matter at that point. To make a decision, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But I think the same time, it's like, there's really only one group on the course that doesn't matter at that point. To make a decision, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But I think the question that it's a question that should ask themselves and figure out is,

like, what's our protocol for letting someone know that this is being looked at? Because it could decide a tournament someday. And for people, I know it didn't affect the outcome for people betting on this thing. And for an organization that's got extremely close to draft kings and data sharing and all the things that go into gambling, like people are gonna want this stuff police pretty tightly.

Yeah. So, I would say for the gamblers, I mean, you know what they call that. That's really the most for the green. It's really the most for the green. It might be the most for the green. Before we get going on back into Rome, I've been dying to talk to you,

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Tough look. He's the number one player in the world, but a serial number is ball with a poker chip. I'm more concerned about the drinking with the glove hand, okay? I was more concerned if he's coming for Jason Kochrack's plays at the table for, you know, who's truly all in 2020s. Yeah. I think Kochrack may have folded this week and Rob may have pushed him all in.

I saw a good, I've lost the tweet. I apologize here, but a good tweet that was this Jack thank Ram for taking the bulldozer to the 11T a little faster than the bulldozers could get out there? There you go. The club slam on the way. The club slam was, that was kind of where I, you were mentioning, you know, it was getting a little snoozy in the afternoon.

The club slam was like, oh, all right, all right. We're back. Now we're watching. Yeah, this could still get off the rails into Ram's massive credit. We make fun of this all the time, but, you know, the whole, oh, he's really working hard on his temper,

really trying to stay much more temperamental out there. Also, slams his driver after it while he's up by seven, up by eight, whatever. ROM killed a guy with a try-dent. But I will say, obviously to play those last three holes, the way that he did, and like, I mean, he had to play those last three holes, the way that he did, and like, I mean, he had to keep mega-composure,

and he got it up and down on 17 and 18, right? Yeah. And I mean, those are not easy spots to get it up and down on when the greens are purple like they were. I mean, that was, he's really good, man. He was, he was a treat to watch. But the poker chip, and the water bottle, very much bothered me.

Yeah, you mentioned that for anybody who didn't obsess over this, the way that we did. I can't stand like though, when people, I'm looking for one so I can make that noise. But when people just crumble the plastic, dissonny water bottles, like it's a, like it's a gatorade squeeze bottle or something, dude, it's not gonna come out any faster.

You need to just chill out man. That really shook me so you'd see that. With his glove hand. That is glove on and he's grabbing the sweaty water bottle. Oh God. Oh, that's like that really kind of derailed me for a good 15 minutes or so. And then of course he started playing shitty.

I know there was zero coincidence there. At Zuzu Dig said, your thoughts on the interview with Amanda. I know he can be polarizing sometimes, but man, that was some heavy stuff there. And I like Ram more now because of that interview. I would agree. Yeah, I thought that, I thought she asked good questions and it was a good, I mean, I of course,

we'll speak for probably a bunch of people. Like, I had no idea that stuff was going on in his life. And you know, we don't get that without the post-round interviews. And that's why it's really hard to do, I know. And she's just... What was the stuff going on for people that didn't see it? I think he had multiple people that were rewinding it to get screenshots of his face, whatever it did he say.

Multiple family members die in the last few months. He had a, I think a sibling or a cousin, I even kind of forget that had just given birth, but like he wasn't really able to go visit the new baby because of all the travel restrictions and quarantine stuff. And it's just, yeah, I mean, he had a lot of time stuff going on and obviously just got married too. So he's got, I think his head was probably kind of swimming with a lot of non-golf stuff. So it's, it's impressive to go out and literally take number one in the world at the same

time. And if you're craving it, if you want to get to know Ron better, we did a podcast with him about two years ago. We did a program video with him at the BMW in 2017. He was awesome. He was, and the fact that he, like we shout this out last week, like he was joking on Twitter after he hit a wayward drive and we, you know, put him on blast for it.

And he's a, he's a fun, I don't wanna say fun love and dude, but like he gets really pissed off and stuff, but that I feel something when I see that, I couldn't muster up anything to say about Ryan Palmer this week. He just doesn't do anything for me. I don't dislike him, but he doesn't give you anything

as a viewer and Ron gives you something, and at the same time, I do find myself rooting for Ron. I think having him involved is good for golf. I find myself rooting for watching Rom. I think it's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, I don't, you know, I still feel like the jury's kind of out and not that anybody, you know, it's kind of a fallacy, I think, to watch this and be like,

I don't know, could I be friends with that guy? Like, I think that's probably unintentionally what a lot of people are doing when they're deciding whether they like someone or not, which, as we talk about with Bryson, is probably not a good way to go about this. It should be much more just like, man, do I like watching that guy and rum?

Like of course I like watching rum. And part of it from being candid is because he might blow up at any moment. Exactly. And that's sick. Yes. Nick McCuy in your opinion, does Ron possess, Mackie, sorry.

In your opinion, does Ron possess Spanish hands? I say yes. I just thought that was funny. All right, I think we're good on Ron. Can we do Bryce at next? Do you want to do setup or do we see now? Do you mention Ryan Palmer? I'm not trying to avoid Fee now. No, I do just want to mention a couple small things on Ryan Palmer.

You missed the cut at 14 over last week. Amazing. Same golf course, a couple bogey. Obviously played it extremely differently, but 14 over through 36 holes, it's something like 68 puts through 36 holes or something. Came back, just ball struck to cover off it. Number one, stroke scan to approach. Yeah, I don't know, just to,

yeah, guys been doing it, been doing it forever, congrats to him, good week. Yeah, we can talk about pricing now. Okay. Actually, there was one more small thing because I don't know where it's gonna fit in. Okay, that's where, Maffit's Patrick.

Yeah, had bones on the bag. That was seemingly very random. Even like when Amanda asked him about, kind of like, how did that come about? It's just like, yeah, yeah, you know, he's a great fill in. Like really, like really? That's kind of, that's kind of interesting.

Great stat, you know, I told you, we're gonna be volleying stats back and forth. This was from PJ Tour Combs. There were only one round in the 60s at both the Arnold Palmer Invitational and this week's Memorial, both of them by Mathets Patrick. Round four.

In Round four, sorry, yeah. Final round, rounds in the 60s. He is a grinder. Like that round I remember seeing that the coverage was all over that one and this one today, like he just, I don't know what it is, but that's impressive. He also, big shout out, got in the US open. Fowl though corrected himself on that one and this one today, like he just, I don't know what it is, but that's impressive. He also, big shout out, got in the US open.

Thou though corrected himself on that one. He did. It's, you know, honestly, if you'd put a gun to my head and said, what, you know, where's Maffet's Patrick in the World Rankings, I wouldn't have said 27. I would have, he's a manipulator. So.

Okay, we can get to Bryson, and then we've got some other heavier stuff that we need to get to after that. Okay, we still of it so much to cover. Oh, where did we start with Bryson? Let me let me start with a question to you. Okay, so we're so excited. We're obviously extremely high. We were ripping Bryson PCP all night after the the rocket mortgage classic. Of course, he's touting his quit his his fucking weird QAnon look and trophy all around town. You know, does this week change anything that you that you wanted to say about pricing or that you did say about pricing? No, not at all. You? No, not a bit. Well, a miss cut is not that big of a deal. Okay. It's not that this is guaranteed to work every week.

It's that he, this is the formula that is most likely to work very well for him at the end of a season, I think. This golf course is not the stats say, like I always go to datagolf.ca just to look at golf courses, the profiles of players that... I didn't know those guys were Canadian. That fits that well.

For the course well. And driving distance is, like this is one of the last courses on tour for driving distance. of players that... I didn't know those guys were Canadian. That fits that well. That fits that well. For the course. Driving distance is, this is one of the last courses on tour for driving distance. It being an important skill. I can't explain it as well as they do, but it's more about driving accuracy and more about your second shots into greens. I wouldn't think that his style wouldn't necessarily fit this whole. There's a lot of holes that take driver out of his hand.

It doesn't, nothing that happened there changes anything other than like, holy shit, that 15th hole was so ridiculously stubborn. And I don't even think that really fits whatever strategy he was trying to invoke, but hooking it in the water, dropping, hitting three wood from ankle deep rough, spraying it OB, hitting another one, spraying it OB, hitting another one, spraying it OB, hitting another one, almost hitting it OB,

say it, now I was saying, oh, lay one up. And then walking off, be like, it just, it wouldn't draw. It's like, it's ankle deep rough. And you're trying to draw a 10 degree three wood out of it. And, oh, God, that sequence was life affirming. He gets over there. First of all, I didn't hear him call provisional. I know everyone got on me and said that he did.

I tweeted some about it. Everyone said he did. I think the answers may were talking over it. I always thought for a provisional. You're kind of being a cop this week. You're trying to get everybody in rules violations. You're trying, I don't know, did that would move? Did he call provisional?

What the professionals do their job, so I... Sometimes they need a little help because somebody need to look into how he took one of those drops after he took as the sole of his three wood and made himself a little hatch to drop in and then dropped it directly on it. Nobody ever looked into that. No one asked him about it after the round.

I don't know if he declined media. No comments were ever made. They're limiting media on site. I had requested a credential for this event, did not get it. I would have gladly asked him about this after the round was not able to seem to have been swept out of the rug, whatever. Gets up there.

After I always thought for a provisional, you had to declare it to your playing partner. You had to, he says it to his caddy and that's if he said it, he said it to his caddy, which whatever. Gets up there and starts to argue that his ball is in play. A rule's official tells him, like, no, the rule is like post to post. It, you know, this out works. But like a good lawyer, he brings up precedent.

What about the ninth hole? Not yet. We're not there yet. We're not there yet before that. He goes, I don't believe that. I want a second opinion. That's right. That's right. That's right. He asked Karen to show love. Love to see the manager, please.

I wanted to see the manager of the PGA tour. Ken Tacket comes in and tells him the same. First of all, the first rules official is laughing as he comes on the radio. I was like, uh, slugger, can I get some help here? Ken Tacket comes in and says, like, no, man, like the rule is, yeah, it's post-to-post, the exact same way.

They kind of go back and foot. That's when he's like, well, what, let me ask you this about. Cause he was talking about wanting to hop this like, rot iron fence and hit it from the other side. Which also a nugget I was dying to share, I never could have pictured something in my life, a moment in my life where this information would have been relevant. But it was a big stink made around all the houses around Mirafield Village when they added that fence in, they had to add it in before the president's cup for security purposes.

And it was never there around the golf course. They added it and they were, I could get this part wrong, but they were supposed to maybe take it out. And the mem, like all the people with houses around there wanted them to take it out and they never took it out. The Homeowners Association, everyone was super pissed because deer have been used to

running that fence. That's that fence, it's all around the golf course because deer have been used to Oh, got that fence. That's that fence. It's all around the golf course. They've been running around the golf course for however many years. Oh, man. They try to jump the fence and we get impaled by the fence. So this fence is already controversial. So, Bryson got off.

It kind of easy to be honest. Exactly what I was going to say. Bryson, if what if he would have tried to jump the fence, he got an impaled. Exactly. That's my whole life is a building time to try to protect the players. Exactly. But I would have, it's a health risk, man. We can't let you hit this ball.

In Bryson's defense, I would have fully supported his attempt to get across that fence and play a shot from me. Do you think you would have gone over? Do you think you would have tried to bend the bars like Superman and walked right through the middle? That might be improving his life though. And walked right through the middle. How would he play a shot from the other side of the fence? He wouldn't have.

I think like there's no fucking way. Did you see how it was sitting? Like he could have maybe like pooled. I think you can do that. No, that's where I was looking at. It's like, dude, you can't like, from what you can see on TV, obviously, you've got a much better view. But yeah, it didn't like, when he said that, he's like like well, I want to jump on the other side and go hit the ball

It's like I don't know how you're gonna do that man. That seems so impossible But then he doesn't once he like the guy the rules official says unfortunately that is out of bounds Bryson doesn't say another word. He goes over and picks it up and just walks away, right? Which like no, he doesn't just walk away. He says oh this is before that said there He's talking to his caddy. Yeah. After he calls it a yells at the first rules official, he says, they're giving me a garbage ruling as always. As always, which is straight from the Patrick Reed school

of dealing with rules officials. The greatest moment where Patrick Reed's trying to kind of, I forget where that even was. That was like somewhere before that. Was it Bay Hill? I think it was Bay Hill. He's kind of trying to like work the crowd and do like his stand-up comedy vibe. Of course. I can get it if you want. There's a fan living under living under par filming the whole incident. And yeah, I've got it

if you want it. Please. So this is Patrick Reed trying to basically justify to all the fans around that like he should be allowed to take a drop. Let me see some Irish. like he should be allowed to take a drop. Let me see some higher third of people. I know. I know. It is allowed that. Guess my name's gotta be Jordan Spieth, guy. He's trying to play the room,

but they're all, like all the fans are gonna get in with it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can play away, Patrick. Go ahead, dude. But the best part is he goes, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine, I will. I will play.

Actually, I want a third opinion. Oh, God, that's good stuff, man. Oh, God, Bryson, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine, I will play. I actually want a third opinion. Oh God, that's good stuff, man. Oh God, Bryson, yeah, he winds the caddy about getting the bad ruling, doesn't acknowledge the official, whatever hits up, gets up there and then gives us the gift we've all been waiting for him on the green counting his strokes.

Visibly for the camera, gets to 10, goes and misses the cut. It was incredible sequence. I think I had to 10, goes and misses the cut. It was incredible sequence. I think I had to stats. I forget what they were. It was 26 minutes long. There were four commercial breaks. It took three drops, hit two balls out of bounds, burried two officials, two put it up and walked away with 10 strokes. It was life affirming. I do want to give credit. Shot 76 with a 10. Yeah, which is a really good player. It was pretty good.

They covered it really, really well. Oh, it was great. Aside from the commercials, of course. But yeah, and granted, yeah, there probably wasn't much else going on in the golf course, but shout out to Golf Channel, man, on that one. That was kind of exactly what we're talking about. It's like, do you just, just let me bask

in this for a little bit. To be clear, it's shout out to CBS. It's a CBS production on Golf Channel. So for as much as we, you know, we tear them down, we are always give them credit when they get something right. But to that point, I was kind of frustrated with like the whole media approach and everything. I at least needed somebody to tell me

he declined media, which I don't, I don't know if that happened. I got, we got nothing out of that. Nobody asked him about the drop, smoothed out the lie before he drops it. Surely someone asked him in this pre-turned press conference about the Brooks comments. Oh, that brings me to another point.

DJ, I'm so glad you asked that. He held a 21-minute press conference leading up to the tournament and no one asked him about Brooks Keppka, one of the top players in the world, four-time major champion and sworn enemy of Bryson Shambah, throwing a steroids lob at him via social media and no one thought to ask about it. PGA Tour ducked out of pairing them together and did not do that on PGA Tour live on Thursday and Friday. For I could not tell you what a parent reason.

It was right there in front of them and they refused to do that after that's exactly what golf fans wanted to see. That whole sequence of events was extremely frustrating. Yeah, listen, it coastline. Brooks, granted, Brooks, roaring tigers, it's a good. Sure. A cancellation prize, but that means nothing to me. Yeah, we can do that next week.

We're gonna watch them play. It doesn't mean anything to watch them play next to each other. It would have been damn cool to see some of Brooks's reactions to the line's Bryson's taking. And like see how far Bryson hits it past Brooks now to see if Bryson could beat Brooks. Does Bryson maybe have a comment after the round about the fact that, you know, Brooks said this about him

and you just beat him on the golf course. Do you have any comment on that? He would have said something stupid. We can count on that. Maybe get some hot mics on the greens. How are they interacting with each other? Someone takes a ruling, perhaps, you know? And if maybe one guy pumps two balls out of bounds

and is yelling at a rules official, maybe we have a plank of editor next to him kind of thinking what's going on. Yeah, that could have been an absolute bananza. Oh, but one more question on Bryson. So I'm sure there will be a lot of people jumping, you know, it's a jump to conclusions Matt. People, you know, well, this was set up like a major

in Bryson, Mr. Cut, air go, Bryson can't play majors. Ergo, Bryson, Canplay, Major. What do you think about that? I don't hate it. I don't love it. I don't think it's like apples to apples here. I think this is a nightmare set up potentially for Bryson. This kind of style is not ideal

and he's not formulated this approach for this. I will say this golf course is not hard in park. Correct. Like, just because it's a major does not mean it's going to look like what we saw now this week. It's going to be great for golf. It's going to be very, very good for Bryson. So, it feels like we're, that goes back to what we're talking about.

It's just not a bomber's paradise. And if the PJ championship looks like Beth Page did last year, Bryson's back to what we're talking about. It's just not a bomber's paradise and if the PJ championship looks like Beth Page did last year Bryson's gonna do very very well like it doesn't change how I feel about Augusta Doesn't change no no no that stuff. I'm still I'm still as high or higher on maybe not higher I'm still as high on Bryson as I was and I think another week at like if you to play the work day there I think you would have done very very well. Yeah, I't think it's like, that's his kryptonite. It's just, that's a rare occasion you're gonna see PGA tour golf courses look like that.

Well, let's get to set up here shortly. I believe you would like to take a victory lap on Mr. Freena. Well, you brought it up. I would love to. I'm not just, you know, I'm not even gonna, I won't even start. I'll give you the floor to start. You know, come, come get your boy, man.

Like, I don't know what to say. What did you say he was gonna win more than who? Or something? You said he was gonna win like eight times this year or something? This is what you guys do. This is what you guys do. Before the COVID hit, I boldly claimed he was gonna win two times this year.

On the PJ tour? Yeah, okay. Got a little, who could say how many times? Maybe I was low on that, because who could say how many times he would have no one during the Of course the layoff I Thought he was looking good coming. I mean he had a obviously circulated the story of he bogey the 70th hole in shop 59 at his home course

He played that Wednesday charity. We can read into that later He played that thing on Wednesday and shot like 30 in, when the course, I mean, it wasn't super tournament condition yet, but it was not super easy. Graham McDowell made that course look pretty difficult at that point and was filling it up all the way up until the 12th hole on Saturday. He got it to 12 under par from there on in. He played it in 10 over.

Listen, didn't go well. It's not gonna get it done. It will not get it done. Let me, let me preface it with this. I really want Tony Fiena to play well. I want a root for him on Sundays and people can hit me with, you know, the man in the arena.jpeg if they want

to kind of say like, I am, you know, winnings hard and dude, I know all that stuff. But for all the shit, people give Ricky for not getting it done. Like Ricky's won six times, man. And five times, six times? Five of PJ Tour. Plus Scott has opened in Monabba,

which always gets this kind of content. Ricky's got some wins. And Fina, not that I don't think anybody's really stacking them up as like, oh my God, he's the next great superstar, but man, he seems like he gets a pass for having one PJ tour win, the Puerto Rico Open. And of course, some of this could be the curse.

Of course. The Puerto Rico Open Curse, you know, nobody goes on to win another event. But damn, man, like we, I think we, I feel like we need to start, at least talking about this face on. It's like, we've been talking about it. We've been talking about it. I don't see it anywhere else, really.

I don't know, this is wild. I did some digging, you're gonna like this. You're gonna like it. This is of course courtesy of my our good friend Justin Ray. Over the past 40 years, here are the number of players with zero to two wins, 30 or more top 10 finishes and an average of four or more top 10 finishes per season. Okay. So it's very, it's a lot of qualifiers, but basically it's like, who's a dude that year after year is consistently in the top 10,

but doesn't win a lot. That's what we're trying to get at. Don Pooley, Dan Pol, Bo Van Pelt, Jack Renner, Tony Fienaal, Graham Delette. Yeah. So it's, I mean, he's got 36 career top 10s in one win and six runner-ups. Here's another, a little simpler stat. Most top 10s without a win on the PJ Tour since the beginning of 2016. Tony Fiena, 28, 28 times in the top 10 without a win in the last four years. Tommy Fleetwood 16, Kevin Strylman 15, Benon 15. So he has 12 more than the next guy. It's a lot.

I think so can go to win. Winning's very hard. It is. I totally get it, but damn man. Yeah, it's like if this is gonna be an entertainment product, you know, and it's, yeah and it can't just be like, you know what, everyone tried their hardest, man. That's all you can say.

That's fair. Everyone's trying their hardest out there. Otherwise, there's gotta be some intrigue in this guy one and this guy lost, right? Yes, I think so there's two ways. The six runner-ups can go one of two ways as the way you wanna look at it. Have you not punished somebody for having a great week?

Yeah, of course. No, and have you really not closed out the tournaments or has he gotten kind of some bad luck as it comes down the stretches of one of them? Some of them, of course, he's not played well on Sundays, but the waste management this year, that was tough. Got beat. Got beat.

That was unfortunate. He had questionable strategy on the 17th hole, but when Simpson went and got him. Even that in the 28 top 10s that are included in that, you know, since the beginning of 2016, it's like, man, I don't remember him being in the stretch, like in contention over the last nine holes on Sunday very much.

It feels like a lot of what we saw today, where it's like, oh yeah, he's, you know, second group, second group from the back, he's in the final group, whatever, and he goes out and plays in one, two, three over or something, and then he makes a couple more birdies, you know, when it's kind of relevant on 10, 11, 12 or whatever, it's just, yeah, it's,

yeah, it's too big to, to ignore. Do you think he won't win? No, I think he will win, but I think it's like, I think you, like I was talking to a guy that was in the field this week. And they're talking about watching him hit the ball and I'm kind of asking about him versus Bryson and whatever, because there's been kind of a talking point

about Tony's leaving some in the tank. And if he really wanted to go after it, he could move it like Bryson does. And that was exactly what this player was saying. It was like, dude, he's on another level, man. Like he can do stuff that like other guys cannot do. And he, it looks really effortless when he does it. And it's like, if we get through the next few years

and he has like one win to show for it, two wins to show for it, that just feels like a massive disappointment. Yep. You're getting choked up. Yeah, I'm really emotional. The dude can fill it up. Like I don't know how tough he is.

Like when it got tough as of Saturday afternoon and into Sunday, I don't, I didn't see a lot there, but he makes making birdies look really easy. Which is weird because I do feel like he plays, I mean, he plays proper golf, you know, like when conditions are tough at a major Thursday, Friday, Saturday, even sometimes Sunday, he's there. He can do it. It's not like it's a situation of like, oh, the golf course just got too hard for him. He obviously can play.

It's just so disappointing. And it's not like the... You can definitely argue this because this is just a feeling I have, but it's not like it feels like the moment is too big for him. Like what we saw him in the Ryder Cup, it didn't never look like you very even keel. He has a lot of like Ricky in him in that regard.

Yeah, right, so yeah. And I don't even mean that as a slide. I mean that doesn't make sense. Yeah, I think, listen, it's fair. I would love to see him. I'll take it every time he's close and doesn't get it done. I've said, I think love to see him. I'll take it every time he's close and doesn't get it done. I've said, I think that he will win.

And I think it's been a reflection of some bad luck and some bad play on Sundays that it's not gotten done. So. Well listen, my fingers are crossed, but they're increasingly uncrossing. When he does win, you might have need to call and sick as all I'm gonna say. So that's fine.

You wanna talk some course, Mirfield Village. Yeah. Big topic of discussion this week. What made it look the way that it did today? Let's break it down that way. I mean, why was it playing so hard? So, for a lot of reasons, I think, one, they wanted to kind of differentiate the course

from the work day charity open, which was obviously held at the same course last week. Two, the golf course is getting ready to, I feel like they mentioned this on there, but in case they did not mention this, the golf course getting ready to undergo a great big renovation. Complete. Complete. So they were really not too worried about pushing it very far. Now, of course, we're getting to see Mirfell Village in July, which we usually see it in

May. It's usually a rain so we... Not till July, my friend. Not till July, my friend. They got some really good weather as far as baking the course out this week, got the greens firm. And that's how Jack would like to see it. Chief leather lips.

You know, chill out this week a little bit. He looked like he was going to look kind of chimed in to be like, hey, I'm here, boys. Got the chief leather lips. Legend is what are my favorites? Can you do that in 30? I guess being from double no how I should do it. It's a complicated long story, but basically there's supposedly a curse

from an old Native American chief in the area that his grave site was once moved in Dublin and he apparently curses the tournament every year by making it ranger than moral. So it always did. Like, oh my God, some of those years in the 90s and early 2000s were just complete disasters. So yeah, they're gonna renovate it all

and they were able to bake it out and they didn't care if the greens died today and they tucked the pins in the corners. And he dies, he dies. He dies. Jack apparently, most certainly what appear has a lot of influence in how this tournament gets set up. I don't know if it's necessarily dictating

where the pins are, but he wants it to play. He, This is the kind of conditions you mostly dream of for a golf tournament. There's a lot of people chiming in like, why can't this happen more frequently? And then literally probably thousands of reasons why it can happen more frequently. Well, no, I would push back there. I think there's two different questions. There's why can't this happen more frequently? And there's why can't this happen every week? Okay. Are two very different things, right? Like, this can't happen happen more frequently and there's why can't this happen every week? Okay. Are two very different things, right? Like this can't happen every week because like it does rain a lot

and it does, there are not all golf courses are set up to do this. And I would actually, our drainage is a thing. And like, I don't necessarily think this golf course is that well set up for these kind of conditions. We can, we can, no, we get to that. No, I agree. But I think they were able to push it

because of all the reasons you mentioned. But I will say like why doesn't it, like it could happen more frequently. It could. I don't think it's that realistic though. Yeah, I think it probably would be somewhere in the middle, right? I mean, I think that the, you know, there's a reason why the USJ fucks it up every time they try to do this. Yes. It's very hard to do. But yeah, I would struggle to believe that the PJ tour Doesn't have a little bit of room to push it. They definitely do. I'm not ugly in that But I think some of that possibly could come back to what we said kind of at the top of the pod where it's like

You know sometimes softer conditions and bunch leaderboards like makes for better TV So as a golf fan like I would disagree with that as far as my personal. Yeah viewing But I would you understand that absolutely understand as my personal viewing, but I would you understand that. Absolutely understand and listen to that. I would say that when it's more bunched, you're probably going to get more non-superstars, but be that as me. Yeah.

I think it would be a lot more taxing to watch this style of play and watch this style of golf week in a week out. Well, let me ask you this. If you're, it's kind of a weird question because the, you know, the tournaments or the schedule is so disjointed, but with everything that's been going on. But if you're picking your favorite tournaments that we've watched this year, I mean, Arnold Palmer and this week are in my top five, yeah, but, maybe my top three. In both circumstances, the issue I have with these got both Bay Hill and Mirafeld Village, they're not that well suited for the conditions

because they don't give you options to get to certain locations when it's this firm. So Mirafeld Village Greens are surrounded by ankle deep rough, every single one of them. Some of the places it's kind of shaved down near the banks, shout out to travelers, of course. And whatnot, but I hate even like making this statement because they're not trying to be a British Open golf course, but what makes the British Open so great to watch is those golf courses are designed for different wins and hey, when it's really firm on the greens, there's most likely a route

to the hole in some way. You can play a run-up shot, you can land a ball in the fairway and watch it bounce on. They have a little bit of that in some circumstances, like 13, that front left pin was really cool. You could bounce it in the fairway and watch it bound up onto that green and kind of run away from you. There's a little bit of that, but around the whole place,

a lot of the shots are not, I don't wanna say impossible, but it's just like there's not a route to the hole. Which I thought a perfect example of one where there was was number one today. Yep. Where the pin is just back left and the hole. Under the slope goes back left and so you saw like Roy and Spieth play that hole.

They both kind of sort of use the slope, but not as much as they could have, which would have been like an expert shot, right? So instead they have an average shot. And it gets rewarded ashright. And so, and Finault was out of, he hit it 417 off one, but was on the far left side of the fairway, and then he had a bad angle.

Like that. So if we wanna talk about ways to combat distance, like we're onto it right there, because Finault bombed it 417 and had no shot at the pin, and he was in the fairway. That's awesome. That is the next step in the conversation for how can we combat these huge distance gains?

It's like, role-melbern. On certain days, hitting driver on a hole wasn't the right answer because it puts you in a spot where you couldn't get it close to the hole and we saw a lot of that. So that is cool. In order to do that,

in a place like Dublin, Ohio, in July, you have to push the greens to the absolute limit and get a lot of wind. And blow them up the next day because I don't know what would have happened to them if they would have kept them like this. But so hopefully the width and angles, whatever conversation makes a lot more sense in that context, right? So if number one, fairway was three times as wide, that'd be really cool if the route today

was down the right side to that back left pin, but on an earlier day, the route was down the left side. That's why everyone wants to be like, to combat distance, we need to just grow the rough up and play it in trees, everyone's like, dude, like that is not gonna be fun. That really limits shot making. You wanna see guys like try to get at holes and stuff,

it's not from ankle deep rough, because that just dumbs down the pros to be able to not even play fun approach shots. And I do think there's probably some room for variety, you know, in like every facet of this conversation because I will say like watching Harbor Town, I know this year because it was played in June and that was, you know, there was no wind and it was kind of a dartboard out there. But that's one where it's really tight and it's like, no, the challenge is hit the fairway. Yeah. If you can't, you probably have a route to the hole, like some sort of weird punches. And I guess what I'm getting at is even, I'm kind of down for a lot of different ideas

right now, because I almost feel like you need to prove a concept like this, just like in practice. And sometimes you get bad luck where you have a golf course like Aaron Hills where the wind doesn't blow on the one given week. You know, they've been planning it for six years. And on that one given week, the wind doesn't blow. And you know, everybody's like, oh, see, that course is dumb.

And it's like that. We run the risk of doing that. But it's like, if you want to try some different shit and like see how it works, I'm all down for that too. So if you want to go to, I'm trying to think of a good example of one, they don't play Firestone anymore, but like that would have been a good example of one where

it's like, all right, cool. Just grow the rough up and, you know, let's see how fun this is. Yeah, let's see how fun this is, exactly. And I would venture, I guess it wouldn't be very fun. It would probably be a great winner, like it always is at Firestone, but I think that has to do more with the field

than the actual golf course. And it's PGA Tour Rule about growing up rough because guys were hurting their wrists and that's a serious issue for the dudes that make this many reps. Like I've got a right wrist thing going on. I had it all sitting the rough this weekend. I hit it and it had a shooting pain at my wrist.

That's the last thing the tour wants for their players. Now say this, like, Beerfield Village is a great, especially in conditions like this, a great, like, your field village is a great, especially in conditions like this, a great, great, great execution test, right? So there is so much shot value on that golf course right now, meaning you better step up and hit a good drive in the fairway.

If you're not in the fairway, you are going to pay a price. Your approach shot has gotten decidedly harder. Like that kind of balance, I am all in on restoring that. I don't think necessarily Mirafold Village is a good combination of strategic and executing test. Like Royal Melbourne was a strategic exercise

and also obviously a great execution test. But like some of the shots at Mirafold Village are dude. Number 12, that shot, everyone that it's a golf fan, if you ever get a chance to go to this tournament, go stand on that tee and watch guys hit that shot. It is a nightmare shot. The wind is always blowing, you're elevated to the ball,

it's gonna stay in the air longer. There is zero place to bail it. And that's where it's like, it's not a risk or a warthol. It is, dude, step up and hit a great shot. Like not a good one, you gotta hit like a really great one. You gotta get the yardage right, you gotta get the line right. You might be in the water,

you might be in a bunker, you might be on a slope above it. It is just, and if you miss it, you are gonna make bogey in all likelihood. And that's what makes it for a great PJ Tour tournament course, I think, because it's just execution test, execution test, execution test.

Restoring some of that balance and like seeing how different strategies could be rewarded, I think is then to take this from an 8.5 to a 10 would be but one thing I'll say about 12 to is that makes it harder is there's nowhere to lay up. First. What a transition. Phil Michaels and laid up on the 16th hole today, which is a what? Hundred and seventy three. Hundred seventy three yards today.

Okay. And he laid up with the pitching wedge. Potted it from there from 43 yards. today, which is what, 173 yards today? Okay, and he laid up with the pitching wedge, planted it from there from 43 yards, made four. A lot of people were like, this is a protest. Like what? I honestly think like that was Chinnacock, what he did on number seven,

hit one of the bunkers, hit one of the bunkers one of the days. That's like my best way of playing this rock hard part three is not to land a ball on it, and I don't doubt that strategy. Yeah, no, I agree. I also think- I also think- I also think-

I also think it helps that, you know, he's going through there at noon. Yeah. You know, on Sunday, like I don't- He also played these in the last- He's in the last group in the last group in contention, like I don't think he's doing any of this shit, but no. Listen, maybe he's just- He's trying to find the outer boundary, man. What, what, how far can I possibly push it?

He said he played the whole nine over to that point. So the four actually improved his scoring average on it. And he was very cordial after the round, but by all accounts, all his, all his quotes. None of it was like, he wasn't a Jack though. Well, that's true, but it wasn't his normal passive aggressive. Yeah, you know, there was just no other way to play that, you know, a whole that's set up that way. I just, you know, I had to do that. So that not only he put it from 78 yards on 13 said, I saw that playing tout differently in my mind,

then made a full swing flop from the fairway from Greedside. It was just a wonderful, wonderful full-fills segment. He drove 14 also in between that, but hitting bombs. Some good questions though. We got about the golf course still from I just wanted to mention while we're talking about it, in case we don't get back to it, 16 is a disgrace. Horrible golf hole. It's been there for a decade now and they never fixed it. I was gonna say that what you're talking about, execution, execution, execution, and then you get to 16,

it's like, well, I don't know. Don't matter. Maybe you'll get lucky. And you'll get like a super high bounce and it'll stop next to the hole, or you'll get a rocket bounce that like goes and nestles down in the birds nest rough. I don't know. Good luck man. They're incapable of putting that pin in a decent spot. They don't look at the wind forecast

or they don't give a shit either way. I don't know. That hole is getting blown up. Jack, I actually thought Jack had really interesting comments on course design in general when he was in the booth. Terry Gannon did a great job picking his brain on a lot of these things but talking about how you know guys were blowing it over the bunker on 13 when he was in the booth. Terrigan did a great job picking his brain on a lot of these things, but talking about how, you know, guys were blowing it over the bunker on 13. And he was quick to say, like, we got to change this. Like, there's gonna be a bunker put in, where my husband trees put in.

It's 50 yards wide, where these guys are landing it and only 25 if you go around the bunker, like, to the right, like, the proper way he would have designed the hole. And he's just like, we got that backwards. But he was quick to say, I'm not trying to quit guys from hitting it down there. If you hit a great shot and do that and the conditions dictated by all means, go ahead. We just got to restore the risk back in this.

And I was like, thank you. Like that is the conversation right there. All the changes, I found myself nodding along with him talking about all the changes they were going to be making to the course because I felt like a lot of the tinkering they've done over recent years has not been to the benefit of the golf course, in my opinion. I don't really know the specifics.

I mean, just like 16, 17, and 18 have all changed drastically over the last 20 years and I think they're three pretty bad golf holes, to be honest. Their execution tests sort of, 17's not really, but 17's a tough look. Like being there, you know, in person and seeing that golf hole and you're kind of like,

oh my god, this is like the hardest. Like standing back there on that T. I mean, I remember vividly being like, how do you play this whole? And then just seeing guys like bang it all the way down the hill. I don't think that's that's how it's supposed to go. Barbara, that keeps on over the blockers.

It's double hill. I had just a couple more player notes before we get to questions if you want. Jason Day, back to back top 10s for the first time since, I think, 2018. Yeah. With people dunk on Jason Day, it's of course the home game for him.

He's got that, of course, Dublin, Ohio accent. People, of course, like to dunk on Jason Day a lot and everything is deeply, deeply dramatic around him seemingly, but I feel for the guy, man. Like that back injury is suck. And seeing him like, I'm not questioning at all. Of course, I'm sure he's in like extreme pain.

I just can't do the calculus in my head how he can hit it 350 yards and knock it the ball out of the hole. That doesn't make sense to me. But I wish him nothing but the best and I think it's good that he's finding some form. It does make sense to me. It's weird how some back injuries work

of contorting, I don't know. I get what you're getting at. It's weird. I'm not even questioning it. It's like, dude, I can't wrap my head around how that's possible, that you can be that flexible in one way, and that inflexible in another way, seemingly with the same muscles. Can I ask a couple of course questions that we have, or do you have any other player notes?

Oh, no, no, sorry. I thought we were moving. No, so I think we answered this quickly at Frazier W. Was the course right at the line or over the line on Sunday? I thought it was right at the line. I thought it's a two. I thought it'd be worse. Yeah. I didn't think it or over the line on Sunday? I thought it was right at the line. I thought it's a two. I thought it'd be worse. Yeah.

I didn't think it was over the line in any way. I mean, 16 sucks. I'm trying to think of like, I didn't think the only one I could see and it's hard to tell from TV like if he landed it on a downslope or what, but the ROM one on, I believe 15, the on 13 or 13. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Where he had a gap wedge. It looked like he hit it pretty good at the front of the green. It sounds rough though. All the way to the back. I believe 15, the... On 13? Or 13, sorry, yeah. Where he had a gap wedge, it looked like he hit it pretty good

at the front of the green. He sounded rough all the way back. He was in the first cut. He even looked like it was kind of sitting up. Maybe it wasn't, but that was one that, I don't know, nobilo said that too, like that's the difference between being in the fairway and the rough, and so maybe it was a worse lie than it looked,

but that thing ricocheted. I didn't think it was unfair, but that was the only one that I was kind of like, oh, whoa, I wasn't expecting that. Everything else seemed pretty in line with what you'd think. Like the bad shots got punished, and the good shots got rewarded, I thought for the most part. Bear with me on this.

Okay. The, it, promise. It reminded me of the second round of the gasp rilla that I played in, and that, no, and here's why. The greens got, it was 48 degrees, 20-mount-hour winds, and the greens got baked, and it was like putting on glass, and the extra stress that adds on everything around the hole. A chip that would go to three feet normally, the precision it takes

to chip it to three feet when it's pretty soft is that chip is now going to go to six feet in all likelihood on greens like that. On repeat, you have to make slick six footers when the balls not really even gripping the grass again and again and again. Well, and that's why I was trying to point out with ROM too. Yeah, I know that's obvious, but it's like anybody who was kind of thinking like, oh gosh, he was, you know, he tried to kick it away. He was nervous.

No, it was so hard. And he held it together pretty outstandingly. He had the one, the bad double on the par 5. But even other than that, it was like that was a bad tee shot. Maybe compounded mistakes a little bit, but he played pretty flawlessly other than that. I'll bet a shot he hit on 12 after that was, first of all, really dumb. Yeah, I don't think on 12 or 16.

I don't, maybe he was trying to get it. No, no, he was not. He was either of those pins. I know 16 he wasn't, but 12, I know he plays kind of a little cut usually, right? But that was risky. That was jarring to see that line. SC Bucki.

If this was a USGA run or a regular tour event not put on by Mr. Nicholas, would there have been more player reactions on course candidies over the weekend? I don't know, man. I'm trying to, I hope I'm not missing anything, but like I hope that's exactly how the US open plays. Yeah, that's exactly how it should look.

They'd be so lucky in my opinion. I thought it was, I thought it was great. I know I just said that, but I can't. It's fair question. It is. Like, would they have been bitching at the USGA? Same thing. Same setup. Like, would they bitch at the USGA and give Mr. Nichols a pass? I think there would have been more definitely. I think you would have needed a more, I think where they lose it with the USGA is more, almost more like putting related, right? Where like when they're looking like fools on the greens,

where it's like, dude, how, I just three putted from eight feet, like this is bullshit. How am I supposed to, you know, I can't leave it, I can't leave it below the hole here, I can't do this, ball ball ball, like, and I didn't really see any of that. I felt, I thought everybody looked like fairly in control with putting maybe we were just watching good putters,

but it seemed like the challenge was much more more like you were saying in the second shot. And balls running through the greens because they weren't hitting the right, either right trajectory, right, flight, right, shape, any of that stuff. And so I would, as someone who, you know, rarely gives players a benefit of the doubt, I would give players a benefit of the doubt here that I think they would have been fine with this if it was a USGA set. Yep. Last one on set up.

Rahm made a comment on Saturday afternoon after his brilliant 68, saying he was one of the most, Roundsie's most proud of in his life, said something like a scratch player, couldn't break 80. Oh, he couldn't break 90. I think you get four scratch players in a scramble out there and they couldn't break par. And that's where I have to draw the line. Like the question that we got was from Joe

Brysey. Do you think the NLU boys could have beaten ROMs 68 on Saturday in a scramble? And what do you say? That's a different question than what ROM had proposed. To ROM's question, like could four scratch players break par, you know, at that setup? Literally 100% of the time. And that is not to say, like, the line between pros and scratch isn't that big. The exact opposite. I could not respect the gap between a scratch player and a Tor Pro, especially one, literally, the number one player in the world, more than I do. But the fact that people continue to so boldly discount the value of a scramble blows my mind.

Everyone has played in these things before, okay? You have played with 15 handicaps and you've shot and gross 63s with that happening. And I know the course that ups hard, I know all that, but what makes this weekend, and Saturday was much more tame than Sunday. And he said this after Saturdays, so to be clear, what makes the difference between the top player and the scratch player is like the scratch players' mistakes are gonna get exacerbated horribly.

And that's what gets limited in a scramble. Like if you get four scratch players up there, you're gonna get a ball in the fairway, what 12 of 14 holes at minimum. Yeah. In all likelihood, you're going to hit 12 greens probably. I know it's firm as hell, but you get four shots at it. You're like, I have to think so. And if you get four chips from green side, you're you're making two bogies probably. I would say. Yeah. I think you're birding the parrfives. Probably making a couple of birdies. Yeah.

It's not like gonna be easy per se, but the value of a scramble, the reason why a scratch would shoot 85 on his own ball is you would put some in the water. You would put some in horrible spots where you can't get up and down. And the difference in the scramble is you wouldn't have to play it from the horrible spot

in all likelihood. There's only one way to find out, and you know, I don't know how hard we need to rob it, you know, keep lobbying for this. They need to have the regular guy group on Sunday's telecast. For sure. At the same time.

I was, maybe it's a cultural difference in what is called a scramble, which I believe in the UK is maybe called Ambrose. It's what I heard. But Greg Chalmers and Ian Polter got in on it, laughing. I think Polter said that you couldn't break 80 in a scramble, which I was like, well, this might speak a little bit to like these guys are sociopaths.

Who just like, like what they do is the pinnacle of human achievement. Yeah. And so they have to be like that because otherwise they wouldn't have like made the PJ tour. So I think they're probably shooting from the hip a little bit. A little bit, but it reeks of like, you have no idea hard is,

we are saying the opposite of this, or it is purely a format thing. I want nothing to do with you in a stroke metal play event head to head, but give me and my boys in a scramble. Oh hell yeah, like kidding me. my boys in a scramble. Oh hell yeah. Like kidding me. Oh listen, I'm with you. We happily ride. Well, I'm not scratch, but you know, I'd happily film it. We've been talking about this in February, the five NLU guys against Max and Shane Bay. But other sociopathic tour players, yeah, I think he would win. We've been talking about

that this for a long, long time, and I promise we are going to do it. The COVID kind of through a little curveball at it. We're gonna smoke them. Tron being lefty changes things a little bit. It's the dynamic. It's a little bit, but Randy's good now. Yes, Randy's good. And five people in a scramble.

I know the talent level of those two, but I got a massive practice plan. I'm putting play right now. I've been literally practicing the last few weeks going to the golf course, just to practice. Well, more on that to come, but. That is wild, man. We're getting there. Also, I meant to mention Phil's new ambush marketing. Did you see this?

The coffee cup thing. This is gonna be a thing now, right? Leaving coffee cups in the camera line as he goes to putt on the greens. There's gonna be a new tour rule on that or something. I only wanna give the shout out to whatever the flow was on there. I was just assumed it was, yeah, I was just, I don't know, I've never seen anybody carry

like a beverage with them. More than just like a water bottle that goes right back in the bag. It's unbelievable. He looks like he's, you know, first guy off at like your local golf club, you know, he's got the 720T time and he's finishing his coffee from home and it's unreal.

The cat, hour and 12 and I'm talking about the cat. That was one of my many player notes. First of all, we say this a lot, I think, but every now and again, you just get shot in the face with a stat about the cat. We're just like, what? God, that guy's good. Just the fact, very simple,

that he's never missed the cut at the memorial, 18 for 18. He did shoot 85 one year, but he did. On a Saturday. Of course, shot of his act Blair for ending his career, potentially, temporarily. I just, that's, that's, well, just worth recognizing in itself. You know, I think it was,

I don't wanna oversimplify, but probably, you know, they are who we thought they were at least this week. He's Rusty's plan is first event in what four months? It was a bit of a row. It was a, he's the now the betting favorite three holes into the event, which actually happened. And oh yeah, he's rusty. That makes sense.

But I did find, I'm surprised people didn't freak out. I missed most of his around Friday. Maybe it was more freak out on Friday, but some of those swings he was making, a little ginger walking around beyond ginger. It was the back one there. And this quotes after was just like, there's going to be days where that happens. And I just, I really hope we don't get a day, like another major championship run and we get a day where the back does that.

Yeah. Like I hope honestly, I don't want to be morose, but we should probably prep for that. That's gonna happen probably, but it's just gonna happen. I think that's like his whole, I know. I feel more well adjusted. I maybe I've finally hit the last stage of grief with the cat, but I'm just full acceptance now,

but I feel very okay now when he's in the tournament and just doesn't, you know, it doesn't really have it. Yeah. So that's kind of the new normal. Some weeks they'll have it, some weeks he won't. And the quote, this quote though Friday was a tough, tough read. How are you doing with aging?

It's a challenge. Is the question, I guess. Tiger Woods, aging is not fun. Early on in my career, I thought it was fantastic because I was getting better and better and better and better and now I'm just trying to hold on. Which would be like, we all know that, but I don't want to hear Tiger say that. Don't say that, but come on.

You need to accept it, man. We need to smile about what happened last year and not assume that that's going to keep happening. I don't at least in this household, I don't think we've been delusional about this continuing on in any way. That's kind of where I'm getting at. I think he did the things like people probably expected him to hit his irons great.

He went fifth and strok's gained approach, which is very, very good. Extreme. 56th and putting. You know, it's, I can find my speed. And 40th out of T. So it's like, yeah, he's just not gonna, you know, pretty pedestrian. That speaks to kind of the balky back. It speaks to not really being kind of under the gun for a couple months and, you know, it speaks to being the best iron player of all time. So I think it's kind of a, you know, I think it was kind of to be expected. At least a little bit. Not disappointed, not overhyped, not anything I think. It's just what feels like a pretty normal week.

Do you have any hamster damn, any coverage takes? The only coverage takes I had, I'll keep it very brief. I actually thought CBS did a really good job with ROM coming down the stretch. I do want to say I think this might be an unpopular opinion. I think Daudi Pepper's getting better. I think she's finding her stride a little more. I think she's not trying to do the stand-up comedy routine anymore. I think it's just being very, she's given a lot more specifics on just like, here's

the golf shot and here's how it's going to play. And I find her very helpful in a lot more instances. What I did not find helpful was when they go to weather delay and at the's, I, at the time that this happened, I was just looking up photos of people forget, Roger Maltby was the inaugural champion at the Memorial Tournament. So I'm like, just getting wistful looking at all these old, cool pictures of Roger Maltby.

And I'm like, God, this tournament's been around for so long. It's got so many cool winners. Like, all right, we're in weather delay. We're gonna throw it to a replay. And in my head, I'm like, oh, good. The cats won here 165 times. Like, maybe we watch, you know, who do in weather delay. We're gonna throw it to a replay. And in my head, I'm like, oh, good. The cats won here, 165 times. Like, maybe we watch, you know, who do you have as shootout with Fierrick one year,

I think, right? Or maybe Fierrick one one year. If you're holding one year. Pulling out from the bunker, right, on 18 or something like that. Paul, is your holdout from the bunker one year, but continue. Anyways, listen, there's a lot of cool stuff. To your point, yes.

Show us, we'll remember it. A lot of cool stuff. To your point, yes. Show us, we'll remember it. A lot of cool stuff. Who do they put up? Matt Kutcher versus Kevin Chappell in 2013. And Kyle Stanley. And Kyle Stanley too, a much lesser extent. He was further back. He was too back when they cut off the cuff.

Well, he finished, he finished further back. But anyway, yeah, I don't want to watch that. Get that shit to, get that away from me. Like, no, this is the opposite of what't want to watch that. Get that shit to get that away from me. Like, no, this is the opposite of what I want to watch. And that speaks, I'm massively projecting, and I'm sorry, I'm going over my hamster damn time here. Massively projecting in this, but that speaks so much to me on like, well, they'll watch it.

Yeah, like this is what, you know, Kutur's a good guy. Let's do Kutur a solid. Like these people will watch it. And in no way it's just like, all right, let's all sit around and think, like what do these people want to see right now? And I would think nine out of 10 households would be like,

dude, just show me the cat's greatest hits, man. That's all I want to see. Just show me something cool. It's like here's truly among the most vanilla tournaments we could possibly think of from the last seven years. Here you go, enjoy. And that was immediately like, all right, I'm going to turn off the TV and like, they got lucky with them. I'll turn on my alerts and like, maybe I'll come back when the coverage comes back, but like, yeah, I'm not, I'm absolutely not doing this.

They got lucky with the delays today. They got one delay. Yeah, the second row of Thunderstorms could have hit. My hamster, damn, the Dylan for telly thing. Listen, I, uh, I bit my tongue on the, uh, you know, kissing the, the hands and feet of Mr. Nicholas all week. That was just the epitome of everything to me. And again, to a greater extent, they, I thought it was a fine weekend, but that part just pissed me off because you know what, Jack really and it's very obvious how much Jack enjoys all of you know the getting on the knees process of the of the telecast

But you know Dylan from telly saying like first of all, yeah, oh, what did I say about Jack? He's the only one of the big three I haven't met that's a dumb nugget like he's in the middle of literally a PJ tour around I'm not expecting to come up with something. No, that's fine. But let that sit on the cutting room floor. Oh, I thought you were saying he should have said that. No, no, no, no. The whole point of this was to bring this amazing moment together on camera for Dylan Fratelli.

It wasn't to make a cool moment for Dylan Fratelli. Oh, make sure you meet Mr. Nicholas. It was, let's get this on camera of Jack Nicholas, making this guy's day day and it was so awkward and that was so forced and it just speaks to like they're trying to shoehorn this inside the ropes thing in and we're not having it. So I'm trying to make that chaffin. Second thing, the construction, doing this like, first of all, this, I don't know if this

grounds crew that is digging up the sixth green is the same crew that wakes up at 3 a.m. or whatever to, you know, set the pins and do all the work that goes into a tournament round. Let's, for whatever assume that they are. After this consecutive two week period, Jack has them come back on the night of the tournament to begin ripping up the greens so the cameras can go see them. And they send not one, but two cameras to go follow. When they tell us they don't have enough cameras to follow the golf, get the fuck out of

here. Come on. That was too much for me. Very performative. That was too much for me. So I would be pissed if I was a member. Yeah. I want to play the golf, like the golf course was historically hard.

And I play here, you know, for the last 20 years, like I kind of love to see how it played. I want to play it on Monday. To their point, it was supposed to happen after the tournament in May, and like they're supposed to have this time to turn it all around. And you need to plant the grass.

So before like falls, you know, in Ohio aren't great, and before everything freezes, blah, blah. But you don't have one day of wiggle room. It's got a two hours. It's got a literally happened while the, there bulldozers, while the tournament is going. That's always what I have meant to tweet this earlier, the week one of my favorite like ongoing bits when there's going to be a renovation is, oh, they're over there tearing up the front nine as they finish on the back and they actually did it.

But yeah, you want to do some segments? I do. I don't think we have anything else, do we? I got a couple of random notes. You know what I had? I have very random nuggets. Let's get these out of the way. Okay. Ryan Palmer and McKenzie Hughes both got in the US Open.

US Open, of course, doing their kind of, I don't know if they really like it, not, you know, sounding totally original, but they're kind of open qualifying series, right, with their totally exempt. US Open, Ryan Palmer and McKenzie Hughes got the two spots that were available, so congrats to them.

I was gutted for my guy, Henrik Norlander, Fred Excup member. He, I believe, would have gotten the spot if he did not bogey 18, which is a tough scene. And I think that's actually all I had. What else you got? I got some random ones. I also wanted to give a shot to Henrik Norlander.

What we talked about this. Strength of Field was 803 this week at the Memorial Tournament. 40 really talk about that. Okay, well, 48 of the top 50 in the world teed it up this week at the Memorial Tournament. Unbelievable conditions. Henrik Norlander played some amazing golf to finish T6.

I have to question his decision though to come play the Memorial Tournament this week because he could have gone across the pond and played the Urum Bank open over on the challenge tour, which had a strength of field of 11. And if he would have won that, he would have gotten more world ranking points than he got for finishing two six at this tournament. And beating 46-ish, 47 maybe of the top 50 in the world that he outperformed this

week and got 14.4 world ranking points. Whereas Joel Stalter on the challenge tour got 18 for winning narrowly over Richard Mansell, Robin Ciot, Segrist, Christopher Blomestrand, Alexander Napp, and Julian Brune, Garrick Higu and Damian Perrier. This sparkling water guy. That's tough. What was the strength of fields again? 803 and 11.

Okay, listen to that. That could be a mistake. Can you explain to me how strength of field works? Basically, yeah, so I know the higher the number of the stronger the field it is, but I don't know how they get, like for instance, this week was whatever you said, 803, like the Rocket Mortgage was 303,

and it didn't seem that much weaker. It's crazy how much that dropped. It was that much weaker, because how it works is, and I believe I've already explained this to you on our podcast that we did about the official world of rankings, but I'm happy to go back over it. Here's a pro final exam, but first rank player in the world, you're in the field, 45 points to the strength of field.

Second rank player, 37. Right, so the third rank, 32. All the way down to like, for everyone that's between 31 and 34, it's like 10 points, 35 through 38, those nine points below a block. So you get 48 at the top 50, it's about a stack of a strength of field as you can get.

So there was some bullshit floating around though, around the internet. A lot of people saying this was, maybe it was just a syntax error going on. I would hardly believe anybody was doing this to be malicious. But it was, yeah, a lot of people talking about like this is the strongest PGA tour event in history, strongest non-major in history. Like, maybe I'm wrong, but I felt like I was seeing that all over the place.

That was not counting the players. The last year's players was 883. And so I don't know if these people, but I don't know if whoever was saying that, I don't know if they were already rolling in the players as a major, I don't know if they were saying like regular PJ Tour event, that to me would include the players because the players is not a major, but I don't know.

Anyway, listen to the season of championships. This is how the shit creeps in, man. You gotta be diligent. You gotta be diligent. Next thing you know, go look up, go on the golf hall of fame website right now and they literally count player championships as major victories.

Don't let it happen. Shit's not okay. This is how it slips in. This is how fascism slips in. Not on my watch. People start looking the other way, man. You can't let it happen. Shit's not okay. This is how it slips in. This is how fascism slips in. Not on my watch. No, people start looking the other way, man. You can't do it. All right, let's do a couple of segments.

Well, if you want, get all these nuggets out. Sorry. Rory deadlast in Stroke's game approach. Sorry, Stroke's game to round the greens. Okay. That seemed not good. Not good. Holy shit. Colin Morakawa lost 8.2 strokes on the green this week.

Worst by 3.3 shots. That's guys that made the cut. That'll, you know, I know he just won, but damn, we just started talking about this putting stuff and that was a tough week. That is all I have. Let's do some segments. Well, I had, that's kind of a good segue.

I'll do Rub the Green of the week. First was, was Colinmorecawa for me? Neil of course in our drafting segment had bet that there would be an Albatross this week, which I think was only like 12 to 1, which it seems to me like there's like one Albatross a year. So I don't really know how those odds worked out, but Columnmorecawa literally almost did it today on number 15 didn't happen to drop so that that, that's going to be my, uh, ruby green of the week. Um, mine would be, this was on Friday, uh, believe, I bet pretty big on Patrick can't lay this week. He hits a second

shot into 11, the par five on Friday draws. It's, it hits it so bad way left. And he's like, y'all not to go left as in mist the water, rolls up, rolls across an angled foot bridge, which is like a foot wide, gets over the creek. He is dead, short-sided, pitches up to like 20 feet drains the birdie putt and that's the rub of the green. I thought it was gonna be his week after that. It was decidedly not. Decidedly not.

I believe that brings us to, you hate to see it. You do hate to see it. Dustin Johnson going 80, 80. Jerry Rice. You hate to see that. Usually you hate to see it has a massive tongue and cheek. It's actually something you don't hate to see. I really do hate to see that, that sucks.

Especially since he won in his last start. That's golf. And it was like, we're playing Real Golf this week. And it seems like a golf course that was set up for him to make some noise. And yeah, that was concerning and tough. It's weird. So weird 30s, Thursday, Friday was, that was tough. Yeah, brook shooting 80 today too. Well, on that note, brooks got top billing on an Instagram ad this week. It was in fact a link for on Instagram, like in your Instagram stories, where you could buy your PGA championship tickets online.

So it's really cool to see Brooks finally get that look, but in fact, there won't be fans at the event. So that is something that you do hate to see. You hate to see people burn in the media's fan. Patrick Reed also today, you hate to see this. He had a minus five on the day, then he went bogey, double bogey on the way in, and that's, you know, he was a chance for a Ken Duke like day,

but he didn't happen that. Yes, my name's gotta be Jordan Speed to get on TV with that kind of route, guys. What do you got for your soap box Sunday? So this was a tweet I saw from, just kind of retweeted into the feed, from Lee Pace, a gentleman in North Carolina. Just a cool, a cool little bit of, a cool connective, connective thread here.

So Brenda Corey Cune was a woman who played in the 2000, is a woman who played in the 2001 US Women's Open at Pine Needles. Why is that interesting? I'll play you why. She played in the, do you know her? No, I saw this tweet, but I have to stop now. She played in the tournament while she was eight months pregnant,

which is unfucking believable. That's astounding that she even did that. So the baby was clearly born shortly after that tournament. It was a daughter named Rachel, who is now 19. She's a sophomore at Wake Forest and this week she won the women's North and South right up the road at Pinehurst. Wild story, that's crazy. Maybe some unfair course knowledge there, having been there when she was very early scouting report, but I thought that was pretty cool. So shout

out to Lee Price for that story. I want to give a shout to Zander Schoffley. He shot a 70 today. He was eight over at one point on Thursday, grinded his ass off to make the cut, played well in the weekend. He is a guy, I will be betting on the next time we see him. He was third to last in Stroke's Game Pudding. That's going to hurt, but to have grinded out and gotten that far. Also, shout out to, I missed last weeks,

kind of this Wednesday charity TV, mic'd up thing they've been doing, but I got to see some of this week's very entertaining, great stuff, very little announcer involvement, just some good back and forth. It's very casual, you know, it's not amazing banter, but it's entertaining. And for some reason, Ian Polter has gotten a lot less

punchable for me over the years. At least cheeky, man. I know. He's great. I'm kind of a compliment. Yeah. He was fun to watch in that format, and that was great to watch. Not least cheeky, man. I know. He's great. I'm kind of a compliment. Yeah. He was fun to watch in that format and that was great to watch. Not a shout out, but we didn't talk about Jack.

Finally came out that he had COVID back in March. Yeah, that's not, man. We've been sitting on that for HIPPA reasons for like a long, long time. We kind of thought it would come out and I thought he had some opportunities to speak on it for quite some time. But yeah, he took it, I guess, waited till his tournament to announce it on television, but it was weird. Well, you mentioned the charity thing on Wednesday. I think we were and have been and maybe

possibly will continue to be a little bit critical of the fact that, you know, with no fans, basically these tournaments are kind of hamstrung as far as not being able to generate revenue for what is essentially all of their charitable giving. At the same time, the purses have gone up from last year, not been adjusted at all. I think the Wednesday pro-AM thing, it seems like at least I hadn't really checked in on this week, but at least the quick and longs when I know raised a ton more money and some CEOs getting involved and raising a bunch more money for charity. So that does seem like a pretty good, you know, kind of a good stopgap as far as kicking in some more money.

Charity. So that was good. I'm glad you brought that up. Well, we've been calling for something like that and we didn't give a shout out to when it happened. I just, I was not available. I usually don't watch television on the afternoon. That's what I was saying. That's the only thing I was going to say is like, man, I don't watch television on the afternoon. That's what I was saying.

That's the only thing I was gonna say is like, man, I don't wanna nitpick. Yeah. But like, I'm not gonna watch something at two o'clock in the afternoon on Wednesday. We watch, we have to watch some, not have to. We get to watch so much stuff all weekend long. Like, I'd not watch Wednesday's my day off.

So maybe, and maybe they reared on, yeah. In the evening, I'm not actually sure, but yeah, that seems like kind of a prime much more prime time, especially in Ohio. Like you get, you know, Sunset's not till almost nine o'clock, right? Like it seems like a much more prime time kind of thing. But you mentioned Zander one more little barba wanted to throw a fino. Zander's only, this is shout out. He's only, well, I'm going to give it, it's kind of a reverse. It's a shout out to Zander and of course, you know, every slow pass two sides, kind of a situation. Zander's only, this is shout out. He's only, well, I'm gonna give it, it's kind of a reverse, it's a shout out to Zander,

and of course, you know, every slow pass two sides, kind of a situation. Zander's only played like 91 events, and he has four wins. And he's really good. He's really freaking good. And I kinda, almost like Fina, like, you know,

it almost feels like maybe people aren't being like, hey, that guy should win more. Zander's really approaching the level of like, God, people need to talk about how good that guy is more. Because Fina was played like, I was looking at up this week. I forget how many 150 some events? Over 160.

Over 160? And it's, listen, I know it's not all apples to apples, but yeah. Yeah. I would love to see some wins. Yeah, I think they're different category player, but let's agree. Last shoutout, we have a lot of them going here,

but I didn't get to watch it yet, but the open for the ages, we shouted out last week, the production from the RNA. If you missed, I got to have a conversation with Tom Watson and Patrick Harrington. I don't know why I was in this conversation, but the RNA helped organize that and Ian Carter from BBC did a great job moderating that.

That's on our podcast feed. I hate taking credit for it in any way because it was totally an RNA production, but they shared the audio with us. That's back there if you guys want to listen to that. They're insights on playing open championship golf and podger, gosh, whenever he goes to start a podcast, we are in some serious trouble because he was really good at all that. So, it's on YouTube. I'm going to be watching it at some point this week.

Fortunately, I do know who wins, but go watch that. So it's on YouTube. I'm going to be watching it at some point this week. Fortunately, I do know who wins, but go watch that. Some amazing, amazing production that, that went into that. One other major, Barbara. Finally, last question, we can get out of here. From Benny Divets, would Verstappen beat Hamilton if they drove the same exact car? Fuck yeah, he would. I don't know if he would. No, I don't know. Hamilton seems like so good. The actual goat. God, big takeaways from the race today. Verstapp yeah you would. I don't know if he would. No, I don't know. Hamilton seems like it's so good. The actual goat. God big takeaways from the race today. For Stapp and Heldoff, I thought we were going to have a total replay of two weeks ago last week last week of bodice just kind of it's Botos. Just absolutely running him down in the last few laps and just kind of giving him the finger on the way by in the faster car.

Our boy Max held him off. It was awesome. Great stuff. Real roller coaster with our boy Goonther this week. Really kind of wanted to take a victory lap. No fun intended early with the whole like, oh, we changed the tires early. We're playing chess bitches. They messed up so bad that they got it good.

And then of course, Gerojade falls all the way back to like 15 or something. But first happened hit the wall during like formation or warm up or whatever to they call it. And they red bull team changed like the whole front of the car with 20 seconds to spare before the race started. And then he went from seventh to second. It was truly incredible.

So if you don't know what I'm about, getting to form you the one, watch Drive to Survive because we're gonna do. First, that one's got some ROM vibes, to be honest. Yeah. Just kind of seems like a killer. I will say, I was very disappointed. This might be my, you hate to see it.

It's supremely disappointed to see for a staff in tweeting about how he's sharing a private jet with Ricardo on the way back to Monty Carlo. That's, I want for a staff into, I don't want to be friends with anybody. Okay, I like that idea. Especially like his former teammate who left because he was kinda like, didn't wanna be in his shadow,

did wanna like, get out, run by him every week. Like, oh yeah, look, we're buddies. Take that away, I need those guys to be enemies. Very last question, I promise. Very simple, rom, dog or killer. Killer, I think. Really? I think, I don't know Uh, killer, I think. Really? I think, I don't know.

I mean, I know he, like I said, it looked like he kind of tried to punt it away. Like, dude, he had, we talked about all the strength of field stuff and he was up by eight. I know. With what, eight holes to play. But he didn't kill, like he kind of, he still killed pretty hard.

I mean, he essentially won by five still. I would say, I'm on the, I'm in the camp now. There's one killer. He doesn't even exist anymore. Like, pre there's really only one. Well, that I was subscribed to that take but operating under the assumption that we're out of the one killer world. I would say yes. Okay. I might be more categories in this. Anyways, we'll say that for another day. This is a long one and I don't regret any I don't regret any one any bit of it. So thank you, Mr. Pie. Let's work on that 1% recovery whatever you got last night. 2% it was a tough scene. Got into the wine last night. Yeah, the whoop has made me pay for it. So thanks everybody for tuning in. This was a wild fun

week in golf. I can't imagine that the 3M will be as fun, but who knows, it was like termed in the year last year. Yeah, it's a something that. Bryson and Matt Wolf. Yeah. Cheers. It's gonna be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most.

How about in? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.