No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 334: 3M Open Recap

Episode Date: July 27, 2020

Michael Thompson emerges from a crowded pack, Tony Finau does not, some coverage takes, Adam Long, an extensive PGL discussion, Richy Werenski, segments, and a ton more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. I do feel like golf is truly bad. That was the one that was like, ah, come on, Michael Thompson played well. That's what we're gonna talk about. It was good finishing. I'm not hating on Michael Thompson. That just was like, oh, yeah, I have to watch this.

That's why we're watching this. Let me be the first to say thank you for your service. You are welcome. We're here to talk about everything that transpired at the 3M. First chance also to recognize an event that finished mid-week, the sixth Rose Ladies series event. Shout out Justin Rose for nearly single-handedly providing

some playing opportunities for women during the COVID times. Proud to partner with the European tour. Georgia Hall, past champion of the women's British show, but she took home the trophy at Bearwood Lakes, bag full of Calaway clubs, and of course, an Odyssey putter, Odyssey number one putter on tour. They recently launched a line of stroke lab putters specifically designed for female golfers. What does that mean?

They have a lot more options and shorter links. They have slimmer grips, but as T.C. might say, our resident gear head, those putters can be used for either gender. Yeah, actually my mom bought one. Really? That doesn't always support either gender card. No, and actually my dad's like, wait, why don't I have one of those putters like actually dad you you wanted another one last year and also you

said spinal fusion surgery. So you should be playing golf. He seems like he should get the longest thickest putter he could find. He should just quit the so if you or someone you know is a fan of the two ball the number seven the number one uh they or if you're interested in additional shorter length options, take a look at the new Stroke Lab Women's models at Odyssey Golf.com. That's Odyssey Golf.com. Also, Renato Parotor, sweet name. He won on the European tour with an Odyssey number seven, Chrome Soft X Golf Ball and a

Maverick driver. The number seven, that's a good one. That's, that's, that's like the OG. That's what I'm gaming and have been for quite some time. Does your mom kind of have the golf bug right now? Oh my gosh man. Yeah. She's like, she's playing all the time. Playing like crazy.

Walking like crazy too. She's joined the push for cart mafia. Oh huge. Yeah, she's out there probably three times a week. Michael Thompson is the winner of the 3M classic. We're, 3M open, 3M open. Yeah. I would know what 3M stands for.

I don't. Learn this. Oh gosh, I feel like I did know this at one point. Like this would have been... I might be thinking of 4H. No. I definitely knew that. I was in 4H at one point.

But 3M, no, I don't know. It would have been prime for some good jokes if we really brought the energy. Any guesses, I mean, they're based in Minnesota. Is one Minnesota? Yes. Is one manufacturing? Yes. Is one manufacturing? Yes.

And is one Minneapolis, Matthew Wolf. And mining. Really? They were mining company. They were founded up in two harbours, Minnesota. You know where I was? There is where, yeah. Up in Duluth.

Do you want to talk about your, your, no, briefly, two, how about the golf course? Okay, I got it. Career earnings. That's very cool of you to, to further floor to the PJ tour winner this week. Career earnings for Michael Thompson. He's got a minute.

14 million. I would say 16 million. 8.9. I was with you. I would have thought it would have been a lot more. With that in mind, is it easier to be happy for a guy like Michael Thompson? Has it made that much money on the beach?

Is that including this week? I don't believe it is. No, I think that's up to today. So a little over 10 million would be now, I believe, but four straight years playing out of the one 26 to 150 category. That's a grind. That's a tough thing. That is. So you're only getting 21 22 starts not at the most premium events kind of really live in week to week as to when you're going to be playing a lot of golf made the playoffs year, so it has full status for this current year. And it came out in the interview afterwards, and I kind of joked after the travelers,

like, wow, it's just so cool to see a life-changing moment for somebody like Dustin Johnson to win a tournament. And while it's not as exciting, you know, on the surface for fans, when I got Michael Thompson wins at the same time, they did a great job, you know, the interview and him, Michael Thompson wins at the same time. They did a great job, you know, the interview and him, Michael Thompson himself of Hammering Hall must like, hey, this matters a lot to someone. So it was awesome. Shout out to Amanda with great interview there.

Yeah, I think Michael Thompson's been the possibly unfairly, the punchline of many ubiquitous boring vanilla tour player jokes over the last few years. I've made four of them this week. And it's nothing against him. It just, it looks like if you were in a video game and you designed generic Alabama player, that's like you got the Peter Muller sponsorship.

You know he was a two lane player. He was and then they shut up in the program. Well, then Katrina came and he had a head shut down the program so he transferred to Alabama. You know, he wears his pants up really, really, really high. I think that just might be big hips. I think that's all that is. I don't know. It doesn't look right. Randy said that he's he's like, he's Thompson's older brother. Or yet to confirm that. Or we're looking into that. It was, I don't know, man. To me, it's something like, I've never felt

anything towards Michael Thompson, positive or negative. But watching the last few holes, especially when it kind of looked like Max, you know, was going to be one or two short and watching that post round interview, of course, like, yeah, it's easy to get sucked in. It was good for him, man. He was fucking nails coming down the stretch there. I like to correct myself on that. This is from Alabama pro updates as well. He went back to the web.com tour playoffs twice to regain status. 2018. He went back to finals and 16. And he won in a, in a web playoff in 2016.

And his last P.J. Tour win was the 2013 Honda Classic. That was 168 starts ago and had not even had a top three since the 2015 St. Jude Classic. That's a little bit misleading though because he played well in, he played well at Memorial last year. He didn't have a great year last year, but 2018, it seemed like he was T7 at Genesis, T16 at Honda. He's one of those guys that you could have told me, you could have told me at the start of this podcast, like, oh, he's, you know, he's finished 77th on the FedEx Cup every year

the last eight years. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's not right. Or you could tell me like, oh, yeah, he hasn't really kept his card and he's had to grind every year, the last eight years, and I'd be like, oh yeah, that's not the best. That's unbelievable. Or you could tell me like, oh yeah, he hasn't really kept his card and he's had to grind every year. But I go, well that makes sense too. Well this will probably be his third best performance, OWG R-Wise.

Runner up at the US Open, it's not a big deal. Runner up at the US Open. Oh man. I forgot about that too. I was like, he got second at 2012. The Olympic Club? Yeah.

Key to it Olympic. Really? That was a wide, the Birdman one. The Birdman. And then he was soul bird. Jungle Bird. Yeah, Jungle Birdman's an artist. And then the third, he was solo third at the McGladgery right before that.

So he had a really good 2011. What, if anything stood out to you about his golf game this week? As somebody who was not rooting for him, I had a female interest and a Max Homa interest for different reasons. You were rooting for Fino? I had a lot of draft Kings points on the line here. Yeah, you gotta set that aside.

You got it. No, I wonder. There's some good stories in play. I wasn't jumped to gun, we're gonna get to the Fino. I wanted to rub it all over you guys, which I'm entering, good to be. Do you have a rubbed all over me, which is part of the deal. So as somebody that was not rooting for him at no point in today's round,

did I feel like Michael Thompson was not gonna win? Exactly, I didn't know if he was gonna make a mistake. He started a little wobbly. I think he was one over three three, and both him and Werenzki, who were the two co-leaders going in, both looked a little like, okay, these guys are gonna get blown out to see,

especially, you know, this was like full mewans, Fumiwtwais, Fumiwate thousand times. When Finaw came out, like, guns blazing rolled in a long pod. I was like, oh god, shit, this might be the day, unfortunately. And I was already prepping all my, like, this is such a bullshit golf course. It's so soft, it's so boring. This was a corn fairy of that.

And which, that was another, it was kind of funny to see Michael Thompson win, because's so soft, it's so boring. This was a corn fairy event. And which, that was another, it was kind of funny to see Michael Thompson win because you tell me good comp or bad comp, this is like a very soft diet PGA national this week. Water everywhere. Just water everywhere, a lot of kind of sort of boring holes, but kind of exciting if the wind gets up or something happens, but just

PJ National bite though, because it's firm and windy as hell. And like, oh, windy this week. It's a lot colder. It was windy the first few days. It was like PGA National too. It's cooler. It is. That's a big thing.

That's a big thing. That's the diet part. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Sugar free. It was sugar free. No, that's for tame. PGA National.

It's PGA National zero. So, a couple. A couple. What I was blown away by, first of National. PGA National Zero. So, Paul Copson. What I was blown away by, first of all, he led the field in Strokes Game Pudding. I think that's a rarity for him. Would you believe, I was kind of blown away watching him hit Iron Shots. He's 126th this year in Strokes Game approach.

He looks like he hits it flush and dead straight every single time. I was distance controlled out the ass. Yeah, I was blown away that he has been that no boy know this year. That's probably why he was what, 151st or whatever, if I'd had X-Gov. Well, that's, yeah, I just was washing today.

I said, I tweeted this too, I was like, I just can't believe he hasn't won more. I mean, it really been the topic of conversation because I, I get, it just at no point did it feel like it was gonna be, he was gonna give shots away and yeah, it was complete control of his golf ball. I would like to watch, well, I don't care about what I say,

because I don't know that I would actually like to watch this, but I don't know, I don't know, week. Like he'd be interesting to watch for nine holes on a week where he really doesn't have it to see how different it looks. Yeah, I'm not signing up to watch that. Because this, mostly in person, like does he hit it clanky?

Does he like, I don't know what, I don't know what could be wrong? He's like, I like golfing looks so good. Yeah, it's super straight. Yeah, he was fourth in Stroke's game to perch this week, first in Stroke's game putting. So I think the golf course contributed to me feeling like he wasn't gonna slip up.

Like there wasn't, yes. You had to make your own mistakes coming down. He did hit a great shot on 16. To be, I don't know. But then he hit a great bunker shot. There were a couple holes. So just to clarify what I mean by make your own mistakes, like you had to, it was unforced errors.

Yes. Anybody down the stretch. Totally. And the golf course is not forcing you into certain scenarios. So Max was on PJ Tour Live the first two days, shout out to PJ Tour Live. So I watched a ton of the golf course and what you could see a lot of, for my very amateur armchair analysis

here was some of those backpins. If you were really going at the pins, like you were just toast if you missed in the wrong spot. And it didn't seem like there were very many, there were some tuck pins today, but there weren't too many like backpins where you were really going to make double. And even, even like I was talking to Max earlier this week, and he was kind of saying the same thing where it's like Man, there's that's a place to make really really easy parts and really easy birdies on the par-fives and the short-forz and that stuff but if you try to make birdie on some of the wrong holes you can Like fall asleep and make a double fairly easier than you would think and today I didn't really see any of that like to your point like I didn't that's like nobody was making a double

Like coming down the stretch. That's like you end up with a nine-way tie for third. Yeah, exactly. A super bunch leader board, which as it turns out, not a great formula for CBS, which we'll get to that. Right, so it turns out they struggle to balance a lot of golf shots in there. Do you want to do a Fienault? Do we want to add them long?

Anything else to talk about with Michael Thompson? No, I don't think, I mean, good win. Let me, I guess maybe ask you this. So, the biggest thing, and I think Amanda touched on this, and her post-iron interview is it basically locks up job security. Do we think that's a good thing or a bad thing for someone who's kind of been... Well, that's, I was gonna bang on this a little bit later in the episode, but this was like the death panel open.

And you've got Michael Thompson. Explain that a little bit for... So there's guys that just hang around on tour without, like, yeah, I mean, you've got my tongue. Explain that a little bit for So there's guys that just hang around on tour without like, yeah, I mean, it's hard to get on tour and it's hard to keep your, you know, yeah, ostensibly yes, but also like, if you're gonna be on tour like Camtron Galle, if you're

gonna be on tour for 10 or 11 years, you better have something to show for it. He's got a few solo seconds, he's got a third, but he won the Franklin Templeton shootout. That's probably his career. Did he win San Antonio? No, he's never won.

Okay, never won. That's wild. And so, you know, it's like, you got him, I mean, shit, look at Charles, how the third? Careful. That's what I wanted. He's got an incredible career, he's got a fascinating career.

I would take his career in a heartbeat. But it's bold. It might be the greatest career to have of anyone. For sure, that's what I'm saying. He's at the perfect intersection of like... You would trade our lives. Famous, like, or extremely, extremely successful golfer, but without being famous really at all.

Almost never get stopped. Yeah. One of the nicest people ever. You've got Richie Werenzki. You've got Bo Hogue. You've got Cameron Davis. You've got Taylor Goot. You've got a bunch of guys that are just like, Norelander.

I like Norelander. We played with them in the Pro-M here in Jackson a couple years ago. It's got some spicy takes. Yeah. But it was a lot of guys that, you know, it's like, hey, like, should I get off the pot? Do you want to explain what the death panel part of this is, maybe?

I think that's what DJ was asking. I mean, the death panel part of this is legislation that we've been trying to get in front of someone for a long time. Yeah, this is a commissioner for a day stuff and all sorts of wacky ideas we have. But basically, you know, if you have your card for three or four years in a row

and you don't really do anything, you're finishing that 100 through 125. Oh, I wouldn't even put labels on it. Some guys are just eye test. You're not bringing anything to the table. There should be a panel, possibly tronin' myself, and I forget who some of the other people that were on there were, I think we had Brando on it.

Brando was on there. We may have revisited that with some of these equipment stuff. But yeah, the panel, the panel decides like, hey, man, it's nothing personal, but you don't have it to work hard anymore. You're not providing. Strillman, Values. Listen, man, you seem like a great guy. There's no room for you anymore, man.

Where's this getting held up in court? The court system? Yeah, the court system won't let us say it. Well, the pack is gonna vote it. Well, they won't give us a meeting. They don't take us seriously. Before we get any further, I mentioned there were some draft kings points at stake.

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believe what I'm about to do to you next week. It's gonna get cut for time. I could argue. I'm gonna drop behind 57, I'll just leave it at that. Can we do the phenol? I feel like it's kind of like that, you know, if you give somebody, we'll just get it over with.

Somebody permission to punch you within the next 24 hours. Right. The phenol. Waiting for it is the worst part. We're starting with this, because I'm kind of ancillary to this conversation. This is mainly you, Randy Neal.

I'm kind of a... Just be back guys. Yeah. No, they're being good guys. Be back guys. You're the bad guy. I was gonna say, you're more in the fight than you even know that you're on the winning side. So, Fienau, yesterday, Saturday, third round, when the wind kicked up, they're on 16, the what drive-all

part for someone called beautiful. One of them, just a great travel. Great rescuer at home, which I think the scoring average was below the par three that followed at one point Saturday. I know if it finished this way, but the the 283 yard 16th hole had a lower scoring average than like the 180 yard par 370th hole, which is just

greater par is irrelevant, but yes, continue. So, win kicks up a little bit. Fiendhouse got Boyd Someray's on the bag. Boyd's obviously wearing a really bad hat as DJ always likes to point out. The whole situation we're monitoring. Somerhas with the oversized Nike hats, I don't get it. So when kicks up, they're between three wood and driver. Tony ends up pulling a driver and tries to play like this little squeeze cut thing with a little bunch driver. you know, little bunch driver, terrible shot

up the right side almost goes in the water. And, uh, thankfully there's a strip of rough there to stop that. Yeah, which, yeah. We won't even go there, but as soon as he hit that shot, he's not gonna win.

Yeah. Like that's, he showed his ass right there. You know what, how, first of all, they moved the tee up for both of the last two rounds. Guess how many balls went in the water? 68 times, 68 players, two rounds. So whatever 68 times two is that somebody guys tried to drive that green. Guess how many balls went in the water?

Two, one. One ball on Sunday. You see it's risk reward. It's such risk reward. So let me start. All right. Let me start. All right. Let me start. I don't wanna inject my own criticism.

I want, I don't wanna pull words in your mouth. I want you to shout out to Richie Winsky on that only ball in the water. Continue. Oh, we'll get there. So I don't wanna pull words in your mouth. Okay, you tell me how are you feeling, man? Another T3 finish, gotta be feeling good, huh?

As someone who had draft Kings points on a top 10 finish, Mr. Fienault today, that was easy money. We like where we're sitting. That was a winning week for us. And don't fill the bus for the question. How am I feeling today? You know, it's just, you know,

there's re-opening the same wound. This is a scar tissue here. This is glass half full or glass half empty. This is the definition of it, right? I mean, I guess. Because I feel like Sali is getting more shit right now for him having finished in the top five than if he would have missed the cut.

First, sure. And that's where I net out on is like, do you think it's an overall positive? For sure. Like 100 million percent. Like, that's not where you're gonna win this argument. Like, you can stand on like, he's never gonna win forever if you want.

But it is not better to have missed the cut than to be close. No, that's not even necessarily what I'm saying. Yeah, it is what you're saying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You go, is that better? No, well, I'm not saying missed the cut. I'm saying like if he just had a solid week and finished 15th and was never in the hunt,

is that better than like, yo, you better go win. There's a lot of like no names around you right now. Like you're expected to win, go do it. It's a golf course that fits you really well and just like back nine completely anonymous. What do you think? So here's what where I stand on this is like, all right, winning golf tournaments really hard,

blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. Almost every time you get in contention, close to the lead coming down the stretch of any kind, you are still at less than like a 50% odds of winning it, right? So you do it enough times, you would think somebody would turn out to be the winner. And it keeps not happening. 30 times, for instance. So many times.

Since 2016. A ton of times. But you know, it's still, so like, what do you think is best odds percentage chance of winning was it? But this is not what we're talking about. No, because the odds are pretending that he's Michael Thompson or he's Taylor. No, it's not. No, it's the odds factor. No he's Michael Thompson or he's Taylor. No, it's not. No, it's the odds factor. No, listen to this.

We're gonna get there. This is data golf. Okay, this is factoring in the talent level of everyone that's chasing him. His, how? His stroke's gained. This is factoring in the golf course. This is a algorithm that, you know,

if you want to poke holes in the algorithm, you can't, I tend to rely on it. Like, what do you think? Well, how's that been going for you? We can, it's going great. Okay. So at one point today, when he was briefly 15 under and Thompson was like putting for Bertie and he was 14 under, Fiena was chances of winning were 40%.

And as soon as Thompson made that Bertie, it went back down to like 30 and never got above that the rest of the day. So in theory, he shouldn't win. It fell like with Fiena though. So you're saying he's actually proving the math, right? By not winning. Yeah, but that many times in a row. No, that's what I'm saying.

This many times in a row, you look at the sum of all this. Of course, it's damning. Like we went over all the stats last week. How many top 10s in that win? Like the four footer that he missed on 13 today. That didn't sniff the whole. That was, yeah. But not only that.

So that was okay I also had two snake Bert not like 10 foot birdie puts that rolled over the edge like he had some that Very close very badly. Yeah, he had one yesterday. You should have been more irrelevant actually I was shocked missed Oh, oh short along one that he made to I was shocked Fowdo was you know was right. They were oh Whatever you're gonna finish. I was like that. Whatever you're going to finish with, I was not shocked. The shadow kept saying, num, the numbers say the numbers.

But Fowdo, he had like a down, I think it was on 18 yesterday. He had a downhill left to right swinging putt and the wind was coming hard off the right. And so it was like, all right, the ball's going counteract and foul. He's aimed way too far left, way too far left here. And I can't remember who it was on the ground.

He was like, no, I think it's gonna break this way. It's sure enough, he misses like a foot outside left on like a 12 foot putt. It was like, dude, you're not even in the realm here when it counts. It's hard to argue that his final round scoring average, not good. His play today, I mean, he shot 68 that felt very pedestrian.

I think 68 was the par out there today. It was scoring average today was 68.3. So if you want to win golf tournaments, you got to beat the field scoring average even in the final round. So listen, was that the performance that like I thought he should have won? No, I didn't look like he was going to win that at any point.

First two days, I get it, that's the point, but he hasn't strung it out for four days. Do I think that he will? I do. I don't think he's getting robbed. I don't think this was not in the category of like the waste management. This is very different. Definitely. Dej, you had a point today.

We were sitting there watching it on number nine. He had one 340 down the right. He's got 148 yards for the whole. He hits it 47 feet. That he's been nine shot and it's like, all right. Well, that was kind of exactly. So, Charlie and I were talking earlier. I'm like, well, what's the deal?

Like, what happens? Because it doesn't seem to me like, you know, he gets to 18 with a one shot lead and like, he dumps it in the bunker and he misses a short pot and like, it's not that. It's just- He just evaporates. It's just a slow, slow bleed.

So like today, I think he, what do you do? He birdie 10 to get to 16, right? So you've got two par-fives coming up. You've got a reachable par-four, like that's where you need to be, right? 11, from the, just in the left kind of first cut, hits it to 60 feet from 140. Uh, 12.

Missed in the wrong spot with his second shot in the par five, didn't get it up and down. 13, the par three, that was one where it's like just, it goes at the flag, but like, yardage was not even close, like dumps in the bunker, which I guess a lot of guys. You guys did that. Very close on that one. Hit the lip of the bunker. Did it? Yes. Okay, why did it. Yes. Okay, why didn't see that?

He went flag hunting here. Well, if he did the middle of the green, you'd have criticized him for playing it too safe. I don't know. You're looking for stuff to fit the narrative here. He just did. For sure. Yeah, for sure.

Definitely. But at that point, he's, he's writing the mix and he makes a careless bogey on him. Yeah, I'm just trying to straight forward part. I'm just trying to wrap my head around. No, why it's not happening. And it doesn't make a lot of sense to me anymore Yeah, it doesn't I wish I could make sense of it I think what you're talking about on 13. Yeah, he lost almost a half shot with his approach shot

I lost almost a half shot with his approach into 11 as well and then gained on pretty much all of his other Approaches for the back half of the day But you can tell he's car is very average because he Post around interview approaches for the back half of the day. But you know, he's car is very average because he posts around interview on golf channel. He said, they don't give out second, third place trophies out here. I'm learning out the hard way.

And just to be clear and just so people don't think we're being mean spirited and all this stuff, Tony Fienna seems like an exceptional guy. I've literally never heard one bad thing about him from a player. Everybody loves him. I would love to see him. As I said last week, as I said the last, you know, the time before that when loves him. I would love to see him, as I said last week, as I said the last, you know, the time before that

when he was close, would love to see him become like a force on the PJ tour. But absent of that, like, do there's just really not much else to keep my attention on a Sunday afternoon when it's, you know, Michael Thompson, battle and Richie Werenzki. It's like, dude, I gotta have something. That's something to go off of.

And so I guess, that takes us into some of the broadcast stuff too. Well, can I ask a question? This is a, there's no formula one race to discuss this with. But why when we all watch Formula One, are we way into who finishes second, third, fourth, and all that, the points that come with that, the storyline that comes with that,

and why does no one care about it in golf? I don't know the answer to that. I'm not saying like, I care so much about who finishes third, fourth, fifth. But in golf, it seems like it's way bigger deal in a field of 156 guys versus 20. Well, I think because there's only 20 and Formula One, there's a distinct pecking order. Right? I was going to say it's almost outside of their tier, outside of their pecking order.

That's one thing. And then also, like, it's just been so unfair. Well, that's what I was going to say. It's almost more like watching tennis, I would guess, where it's like, okay, well, you know, like the top three are gonna, but it's so, like, they're going to. They're going to. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. That's, I think the formula one thing is much more like, well, these guys are supposed to finish 17th, and they might finish 11th, like, holy shit, that's not, that's not. But isn't that like Michael Thompson? I guess, but I think. That's like, that's the game within the game a little bit,

but they do such a poor job of covering. That's what I'm saying is the story, like, I feel that golf fans and networks and everyone has done has become like sports talk radio and that it's just about who wins a tournament at the end. And like them showing a brief highlight of Amelio and Agrilo putting to tie the lead on the last hole, but like, not really even telling the story of him finishing third this week is, that's where I'm, they haven't given us like a reason

to care about who finishes third. And now that leads us to being like looking poorly upon somebody like Fina who finishes close to Benosa Gar almost every week. And that's the ultimate Trojan horse to get us to give a shit about the FedEx. Exactly. They're giving out a shitload of points

for these finishes like a high finish. And I don't mean to put you on the spot, but like, what do you suggest? Because they give FedEx a couple of updates constantly and they do try to do this. And like, I just don't know what you can do to like make me care about that. Very simple, great. Very simple for casual fans. Show me how much money is on the line for a final putt. Well, that's true. You don't care about the final points, that's fine. Show me both. Show me the points that are on the line and what that could mean in the final standings,

which is just, that is to cut points for just money. That's all it is, it's just a pro-rate amount. It's a placeholder for the party. Until the very end of the year. But you show on the screen like, hey, this putt that Schwarzel has on 18 today was to get out of a tie for third into a tie for second. How much was that worth?

I don't want to do the math. But no, they're not playing for the money, they're playing for the prestige of the feds. Exactly, put that up on the screen then, if we go math, but no. But no, they're not playing for the money, they're playing. But the prestige of the fact. Exactly. Put that up on the screen then. If we go and pretend that. No, that's a really good point. I do, I wonder if the fact that golf schedule

and priority ranking and all that shit is so convoluted that it would be so hard to do it in real time. You know what I mean? Where it's like, you got categories. Yeah, it's just all of a sudden like, oh, he finished third, which gets him, that moves him here in the FedEx cup, which then once this next reshuffle happens,

that means he's then gonna get into this tournament, which means he could potentially earn this much. It's like, all right, where are you? Like, why are you telling me this? And now it's one-twenty-six. So get on to the next guy, Scott. And one-twenty-one thing is taking over, but otherwise he can rely on his past champ status.

Right. And it gets so, Oh, that, I don't block that out. That's not that. But I don't think you've gotten a little bit too. Exactly, Finn, they heard a little bit. But I don't think you can do one without the other. Or I don't, I think they go hand in hand,

I guess, as my point is, like I think you, it's really hard. I will give them a bit of a pass. Like if I was in charge of, hey, like make people really, really care about Emiliano Grillo finishing third, like I don't really know how I would do that. Cause it is kind of hard.

To play us out on Fino, I have a, yeah, all right. So I have a question for you. Going back to DJ's question, encouraged Fino going into Memphis and I mean, Harding Park should set up fantastic for him. What would it take for you to be discouraged? Um, I mean, if his putting was really bad for four days, because it hasn't really putted well enough to win.

As much as the PGA Tour is about ball striking, you need good putting weeks to separate yourself at the very top. If you're outside the top 20 in stroke game putting, you don't win very often. The winners, the numbers, rule that out. So I'd be really discouraged if it was a great week

of ball striking and he didn't put great. I think he's good. Number one in Stroke Scandip Ratch this week. Number 36 in Buddy. Yeah, that's not good enough to win. I mean, it's gonna put you right there. And so the point is I think he's gonna keep putting himself in these spots.

I think he's gonna have a hot putting weekend win on the PGA tour several times in his career. Because the craziest part about the whole thing is like keep proved in the rider cup that he can play under pressure and he can. It's exactly the case I was making for him to be on the team. He's constantly beating the best players in the world. He's not beating all of them at once, but for match play, you don't need to be the best.

You don't need to beat all of the players in the field. You need to be really good and really hard to get around. So I wouldn't even say, I think he sets up great for majors. I just think his style of play for the PJ tour, super long, good iron player. That combination is going to leave him a ton of birdie chances and he's going to fill it up. And he's going to probably win some like four at a certain point. You can do the victory lap every time he doesn't win. But I think it's like I said, I know what he does.

What was the bet though? There's no bet. No bet. It's all I said he was going to win like What was the bet though? There's no bad. No bet. It's all I said he was gonna win like three times this year, which obviously that was a good one. What did you say to COVID? I said boldly, he's gonna win two times this season, which would have been like 24 more starts probably,

maybe 20 starts. What? So we'll say it was 20 more starts. So we'll say it all starts from February, like after waste management. How about this? How about this? We'll give you to the end of the West Coast swing

next year and just basically pro-rate this out. Sure, he'll have the whole fall series silly season and then all the West Coast swing. To win two times? Now through, yeah, but yeah, I mean, we're starting from zero anyway, so. Yeah. Okay.

Trying to do the math on that. I kinda think it should be three times, but how many beats off were they? They were, it was like three months. So I said two times. So you did. You can't just say. But now you're at, so basically he missed,

let's say at the most, he missed 10 starts out of 12 events, which is being generous. And now you're adding another 10 on top of that. Yeah, yeah, he missed 10 starts, you said. Okay, yeah. So, okay, that would turn on top of that. Yeah, yeah, he missed 10 starts, you said. Okay, yeah. So, that would turn on top of that, yeah. All right. Are you riding with that?

Sure, okay. Okay, I have no idea. I have a stake. I have a stake. The odds are not in my favor on this one either. So it's not a 50-50 bet. I have a stake for you. Most official money earned in a single season

without a victory. You told me earlier. I thought it was Fina. But he's close. Fina. But is it close? Is it counting FedEx cut money? Official money, so whatever they don't think FedEx cut money is official. I don't know the answer.

Jim Furek, 2014, almost 6 million. 5.987 million. Fina was second. 2018, 5.6 million. Sergio's third 2014 Ricky's fourth 2014 2014 Somebody was just the rib was just the rib was open up all the yeah Scooping up all the all the wins

That's interesting. So what is next should we talk about Max sure? Listen, we said in the in the trafficking segment, we knew he was close. He was hitting the ball. Awesome. Just couldn't make it to Puts. And I think maybe that caught up with him a little bit. He made he made more Puts, but he'd made a lot more Puts this week, leading up to getting himself, you know, in the the penultimate group. And then just a couple of couple misses today that would have been cool to have.

But massive step forward. The one on 17 was a little fresh. He flagged that ball. Allegedly flagged it on eight as well to eight inches, which we didn't see on the. Doddy matching it. About six times, but. Nobody loves Max more than me.

This is not a shot at Max, but let me just say if he'd lost, if Tony Fina would have lost 2.3 strokes on the greens today, how hard you would have been, you'd be roasting Tony Fina for that. Or more fun. That's all right. today. How hard you would have been, you'd be roasting totifian now for that. Or more. Take a look at that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, the puts, he had a couple looks like that eight foot range that, you know, if you win tournaments, you make, and he hit it, gosh, he hit it so good. It's kind of hard to follow the round today. That is a coverage day. You can safely classify that. It was, he got dropped away too early.

And, you know, the playing through while he's chipping out of the hazard to two feet Or a foot whatever it was on 16. We just do hamster them now sure. I'm ready I'm just go in I don't have that much to say I can kick it off other than like this just reminded me of why I'm utterly defeated Watching golf all the time where it's like Like especially the golf channel stuff was, like lead in stuff was. The one to 230 or whatever. Just miserable man. It's like, I don't really know why I'm watching this.

It is. This week was totally the, I'll talk to these guys to watch. They're gonna watch. And what I will counterbalance that with is like, maybe a lot of players in the field, maybe that puts more stress on a already small crew, fewer cameras, fewer graphics people, fewer.

Of course, looks. Replay, fewer. Of course, looks. Replay, fewer. Straight out of fear. Replay, people, all that stuff. So maybe that was part of it, but the golf channel aspect of it for sure was exceedingly unwashed. For as unlikeable as I feel like Nancy's at this point,

when he's not there, it feels so downmarket. And it's like, yeah, we truly don't give a shit this week. Guys. Well, a couple of things here. First of all, the Dottie Pepper, you know, Dottie Pepper is talking about Max and how he's pre-self-deprecating on Twitter. And then they said, I think we, CBS,

we excel in the self-deprecating department. I was like, oh my God. I got that. That is not what I would say here. They lost track of Matt Wolff today, which defending champ and with how rabbit ears CBS clearly is, hello CBS, as you're listening. Yeah, they kind of reminded me of the Bryson.

I would say I'm actually a pretty good dude. It was actually I'm not a bad guy. Yeah, I'm actually not a bad guy. That was very CBS. I'm actually a very fun network if you would fucking relax and watch. DJ, I have a question for you there. Do you know what a heart camera is?

Yeah, exactly. Kyle Rudolph. Okay, that was the thing. Sure. Which I think that was the sub-in for the three. I think it was sponsor interview, which is the red zone reindeer. Yeah. Charles Schwarchel's round was the most important round in the history of golf. Well, I know his hat was his hat. Which was great.

I think it was an ode to his former countryman, of course, Rory. Trevor M. M. M. Collegg, 16, a fantastic driveable four was the last one I'm not gonna have there, I've just like, I learned just because it's a driveable four, it doesn't mean it's fit. I learned, I learned, I learned, I'm a Trevor or Mark. Mark probably.

I learned three or a lot of it a lot of times. Today that, or this weekend, I think Michael Thompson, Mark's ball with a 1985 quarter. Yep. That, that, that, that, that, that, I sort of get, why do they do that? It's like, you don't expect somebody to watch

a ton of coverage. I get, I get where you're going. But they kept mentioning the same. It's like, yo, like, the first time you said it, I wasn't interested. No, it was really not. And then the, the, the, The tap today I'm supposed to be tight here, guys.

The shlong. This week is not. They showed it a lot of the shlongs. No, they showed a ton of the shlongs, but the shlong, the shlongs post-round interview they're going over it's around three scoring He looks like maybe he was a little caught up guard. I think so I'm sure like dude What you're like yeah? What was that man? This I don't know this fits in here But people were the reviews were in for Matt Wolfe being mic'd up for the first round

They were not strong which to those people I would say you deserve to listen to DL3 because I don't, if the takeaway is that you're annoyed by Matt Wolfe even or whatever it is, like that's still better than hearing an answer's talk. I'd rather hear a player talk through his shots and like follow his whole round and be like, I thought that was gonna break left more. Yeah, he's a chatterbox.

Like that's the reason you put a microphone on him to hear that. No, that you will definitely, from this corner of the world, you will not hear, like, man, that player talks way too much. Yeah. No, dude, just give us any improvement here. This is the first thing. Shout out to Matt Wolfe as like defending champ

and he was on PGA Tour live and like, you know agreeing to be mic'd up. I think that's, that's awesome. And the point is that Thursday Friday coverage of the 3M open needs. Oh, shit. Exactly. Watching PJ, of course, some bias, because we were watching Max, but like, PJ Troy Live

was awesome to watch. And that very much shows like, when your guys are on there and you've got some players you really want to watch, or if someone's got a great round, like, it is really hard to beat that. I just can't stand the people that are clamoring for different shit on the broadcast, and they get mad about Matt Wolf being talking too much. They had to be few and far between.

Which I get that Wednesday was maybe different than Thursday. People were saying I didn't watch the charity thing, but. This was actually the first week that I missed fans a little bit. I've been missing fans on Sunday. It's like, for big moments, it's like, ah!

Yeah. All right. Props to Wolf too. T12. Starting to show a little bit more consistency or a little bit more Also was max like was there a discussion between like like a like you know what I've been really fucking cool to hear it It is to hear me in like this is a crucial moment in the tournament Again and and Doddy and Doddy said that they were he was thinking about going for it

And then he lays up to 189 yards out like that. That seems a little off. In her defense, she also screwed up what he laid up to. It was like 171, but yeah, I don't quite see how they thought he was, the discussion had to be like avoiding all of the bunkers that you have to avoid laying up. But again, just like, that would have been, if I'm gonna hear one conversation between a caddy

and a player all week, that probably would have been one of them. And of course a shout out to our guy Joe Griner, not whatever, what they call him Nick Griner. Griner. On the telecast, Max Cady, those two. I BF, clarified. Okay.

I miss that. But hearing those two on PJ Tor live, Joe's awesome, man. He's extremely, extremely committed on like, he's very direct. He's very direct, he's got mega alpha tendencies. So I would of course love to hear more of that on the broadcast as well. Does that wrap up hamstered him, I think?

That's all I got. That's all I got. I mean, the golf channel, like that was the worst today. Like, it was commercial, commercial, commercial. And then, which in their defense it is a CBS production on golf channels Yeah, so here's what I'll what I'll rehash on that note is to me today like it's awesome that Michael Thompson and

Richie where I'm scaring the lead going into the fine around but to me like the the story that 90% of golf fans are gonna care about watching today is like all right all right, Confina win or not. Like, he's our biggest star that's kind of in the field here. He's the biggest guy that's in the second-to-last group. Like, we gotta be following him. I wanna see him, like, when he just dumped it into the bunker, like, stick on him, like, what's he? Set the stage, I can't see. How's he acting?

How's he feeling? And I get there's a lot of guys to follow, but it just, the commercials is what kills it. And that's not CBS's fault, that's not golf channels fault. So the PJ Tours fault, where it's like, dude, this is unwatchable, where it's just constantly. All right, Fina was the only guy I care about watching here. All right, you're going to see one shot of his, then we're going to sprinkle in a couple of other nebulous random puts, and now we're going to commercial.

And the worst part was the volume of unsold spots, which turn into the PGA tour commercials, was seem to be at an all time high this week. I don't know if they're unsold. Yeah, I don't know how. I bet the ratings are gonna be not good. I have a question for you guys. Is live under par dead? Yes.

Is it gone? It is. Officially? Or it's not officially dead, but it has been a place on life support by Big J. It's possible that it's not on the PGA tour Twitter account anymore. They don't hashtag it anymore. I haven't seen any commercials for it. It's possible to return to golf was

just a smoke screen to kill live under par. Back on the tee. Ricky. Oh, stop that commercial now too. But now it's guys story the week story the week. Somebody shot 66 66 this weekend. Who wasn't Alexander nor. Oh, here we go. Here we go. We got a question. I have a true killer. I've been getting rid of or I've not been working in the questions, but Johnny Robely asked what happens if Alex nor and wins a PGA tour of him before Fina. Oh God, that would be sick. Well, so that was the craziest part today was if I thought for a moment that it was gonna be Charles out of the third and Norton beating Fina.

And that would have been, I love Charles out of the third. He's like, I wanna, I love watching him. I feel like it's a kinship with him when he's trying to close one out because it's like, yeah, it's fucking hard man. And even the Eagle put it on. Leaving the Eagle put it on 18, right? And the jaws, you're like, man, that's so fitting. It was perfect.

It was Chef's It chefs kiss. Sorry, I had one more cover thing I forgot to work in. Nick Fowdo, professional golfer in his own right. Six, six time major champion, according to Andrew Kettle on today. Has been doing CBS broadcast for 14 years now, is amazed that Matt Wolf hits a six iron 200 yards. There are six handy caps that can hit a six iron,

and Matt Wolf is one of the longest players in the world. Thank you for telling people that I can do that. Yeah. Can you carry a six iron to him? No, come on. We don't need a brag about things like that. He's confused by the numbers. But like, I just can't,

I so over these announcers being stunned by how far these guys are hitting the golf ball. Especially like somebody like Matt Wolf. First of all, I bet he had seven iron 200 yards, not six iron. And one, how is that amazing? All right, anyway. To also chase Capca, Loki beating Brooks this week and shooting 63, including a final 929 today. No mention of that. There was a lot of Fred X cup stuff going on this week. It was Bo Hogue. You had Bo Hogue, you had Substrakka. You had...

Robbie Shelton. Shelton. Gosh, who else was up there? Yeah, Shelton, can we talk about Shelton? He's had it, I mean, even before this week, he was, he's had a pretty good season thus far. Our Sheffler and Shelton, the same guy. No.

They're kinda similar. No, Sheffler went to Texas. Shelton, Shelton, Shelton's got so much game, but Shulton's Alabama AF. All right. Yeah. Okay. Funny how you guys want to talk purposes. Now you guys want to talk Fred X Cup this week on the sudden.

We'll show you. One week I don't run away and beat you guys out. Shulton was, he was 91st in the FedEx Cup going into this week. Like, I think that's the angle for this week is the FedEx Cup. It's guys trying to get in the top 125. Doesn't have the same bite when there's no cards in the line. For me, Lisa's like,

have we decided officially that? Oh, for us. So I'm saying for like, guys making the playoffs, keeping their status. FedEx cup, you guys can gerrymandered however you want to. Thank you. Grilo, statistically worst putter on tour. It is not a worst.

We didn't even do norin. You guys want to do anything on norin here? No. He beat Fina. That was sick. It was so jarring when they finally showed him on one of the parts. Sorry, that's not beat Fina. Fina birdie 18.

You took a big lap. Needlessly. Very not needlessly. As soon as he was out of turn, he started flagging the ball. I don't know if you noticed that. Nooran nice tribute to Mackenzie Hughes. The only shot I remember of him all day was on the par three where when he hits that sought-off thing where he just puts the club in the ground.

And then it, and then like it's like a half swing puts the club in the ground and just it's like his whole thing leans like his whole body leans right. Like his whole body leans right. Like his whole shot shape is like trying to work it left to right. It's what I aspire to. It's legit. You know what I'm just watching him? Outdoor is what you think you are. Exactly.

Watching him chip at the players is what's screwed me up for like two years. But I was like, yeah, I think that's what I need to start doing. And what I need to start picturing, I don't think, I don't, I'm at the point now where I don't really think it is. Dude, we want to talk about the TBC River twin cities, just being up in Minnesota, it is amazing how little respect

it gets even from the people in Minnesota. I'm like, it's a disgrace they're having the tournament there, the stinks, it's a bad look for a minute because Minnesota is almost golf rich. It's like a poor man's Ohio as far as, you know what's wild? People can even fast forward through this part, if they want,

because it's so unrealistic, but. Listening. With no fans, it's too bad that like, you almost didn't have more of a heads up on the no fans, or like you could, you knew, of course everybody knows which is they knew how long this was gonna last, but you could really go to like some much cooler golf courses. When you didn't have to worry about the infrastructure of fans,

but, too hard to change things around. Are we ready for, we got several questions I didn't, I didn't save any of them, because a lot of them were very leading questions I would say, but to discuss Richie Warenski who was made some waves on social media article on golfweek.com about the blue lives matter bracelet that he was wearing. DJ Pi, after a brief sin in political Twitter to address it, how did that feel? Yeah, I can't imagine how...

Well, first of all, let me clarify what I was trying to say, which is that I hate police officers. Of course. I have no respect for any government institutions, much less the people who put their lives on the line for our safety. No, of course. Was it a great place for the tourist? Yeah, I don't know why I was really trying to further the conversation there, but okay, a couple of things. One, Shout out to Ruchi Warenski for a great week. That was impressive. Many people don't know this. First golf story I ever wrote in my whole life was about

Ruchi Warenski when he was like a 14 year old kid at the International Junior Golf Academy. So I've always had... Is that the one in Hilton head? No, it might be, but the tournament that their plan was in Orlando, so I don't actually know where it was. But anyways, that was one thing that like got zoomed in on and people could see with all the high-deaf cameras was that he's wearing this blue lives matter bracelet. In a vacuum, of course, that too a very casual golf fan, even to someone like myself

who's not a very casual golf fan, that looks really fucking weird because it is a tournament in Minnesota, the epicenter of like the racial tensions that everybody in the country has been talking about for the last three months to do that in the final group on TV. In a vacuum is like a very weird, seemingly tone deaf to a large group of people who apparently don't follow me on Twitter, thing to do. Now, of course, the flip side of that is, what's so controversial about him supporting police?

You don't, so you're saying blue lives don't matter? It's all the shit that like, and that he wears the bracelet, he's one of the bracelets for three years apparently. Yes, and apparently has a number of police officers in his family, and so what I wanna clarify is like, of course I'm not saying that like, you know what, he knew he was gonna be on TV,

he's got an axe to grind with these like, you know, self-righteous protesters in Minnesota, he's gonna really show them by wearing this on TV. Not what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that, for those who don't understand it, which are apparently a very large group of people, those three words and a counter movement

to the Black Lives Matter, something that was started in direct opposition to the Black Lives Matter. This is not even an opinion. This is just stating the fact that, hey, FYI, that means something drastically different to a large group of people. And there are probably a lot of people who think like,

oh no, what's the big deal? Like I'm just, I support police. That's why I'm wearing this. Don't look into it anymore than that. It's like, man, look at the history of this movement. Like you can't really assign your own meaning. And people are going to see that. And it's gonna mean a lot of different things and a lot of more like explosive things to a big group of people.

And so the whole point of the last three months, at least my biggest takeaway of the last three months is like people who are in vulnerable positions and people whose voices have not been heard in this country going on, you know, literally hundreds of years, I think the point is like to really listen and try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. And so all I'm saying by bringing that up and where I think people are upset about that is that's a very potent thing to do, and a very impactful thing to do,

whether you know it or not, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that that's not what he meant. But the point is, I think when you see stuff like that, it's probably high time to kind of be like, hey, maybe we should talk about that. Maybe we should think about what that means. Part of it was...

I'm not even talking about my tweets, like that's not that. Exactly, so I think that's well said. But I think part of it with your tweet was Richie Wrenskie's cancel. It was quote tweeting something that said Richie Wrenskie's canceled, which is... Like the whole cancel culture thing is bullshit. Yes, and of course that,

that's the problem with talking about this fucking stuff on Twitter. Because everything gets wrapped in it. Everybody's coming at it with their own context. Everybody's coming at it with their own mind already made up. Myself included probably, is coming at these things with their own mind made up. But the problem, and what I wish you could scream on Twitter,

but you can't, because it's not a podcast, so I will say it on the podcast, is like, if it's a bracelet that says, I support police, I'd be like, dude, that's sick. I'll wear one of those bracelets. Like I have many police officer friends who I love and who I support and who I hope people respect and who I worry about when they go to work. I massively support police.

The fact that instead what it says is like, my movement is a direct opposition to your movement. That's what people are upset about. And like, if you don't get that, it's because you're not listening, or you don't wanna listen. It's like, dude, that's the whole point. Nobody's calling you a racist.

Nobody's calling you anything. Nobody's saying you, like, get rid of all the police. Like, it's just dude, like, just listen to the other side for a second. And then think about how this might look to somebody else. There are a lot of groups, and this is wildly unfair, but like this is what happens with some of these movements, is like there's a lot of groups that have used that flag,

the thin blue line flag, and that phrase, and all those things, to justify some really shitty shit. If you don't at least like acknowledge that that's part of what's going on there, like dude, it's just ignorance. And that's why I didn't want to even bring it up, but like back at Tory Pines, the PJ Tour has tiger woods chipping to a like blue lives matter thin blue line pin flag.

And that was before all this stuff like went down. If that happened today, like that would be the massive national news. And people will say like, well, that's cancel culture and whatever. But no, it's kind of like maybe hopefully kind of people are like kind of starting to listen to why that stuff matters to other people and why other people can have, can interpret your actions differently than you might intend, I guess. DJ, if you're having problems with Twitter and stuff, I would say you should start tweeting more about strategy and statistics.

Track. I don't have any time because I'm always keeping stats while I'm playing. I would say you should start tweeting more about strategy and statistics. I don't have any time because I'm always keeping stats while I'm playing. Traction and your tendencies all along the golf course. I don't have time to tweet about it. Hopefully that makes more sense than where I was going on Twitter. And also, any of the people who are blood-heard about, or are not listening to the podcast anyways, so that's fine. Probably accurate. Baring the lead for this week, really.

Martin trainer got smoked by his caddy, the PGA Tour of it. He got tough, which is a tough scene. The European, you want to do a little European tour? Well, I want to go back to Emiliano Grillo. They've updated the stats. He's now two-fourteenth instead of two-sixth team in Stroke's Gandputting. He's losing almost a stroke per round through he's got 57 counting rounds.

And so, when you gotta hit it really good, when he puts even average, he's inside the top 20, like he's unbelievable. As far as ball striking, he just can't make any pucks ever. But last place in Stroke's Game Pudding. It's gotta be so frustrating to be a player on the PGA tour, not be able to make any puts. I'm asking you last place.

Oh, sorry, what? Last place, Stroke's Game Pudding. Yeah, for the season. Martin Trainer. Bill Haas. Really? Yeah. 212, so fifth to last place, CT Pan.

That's shocking. Which blows my mind, because I've always pictured him as this unbelievable potter It's tough to not hit it far and also not put well then Hedeki of course is 205. Oh, of course Hey, the answer's never so a lot. Yeah, I'm surprised he's that high. I have never made a plot Hedeki's never made a putt You guys much watch much of the European tour this week. Didn't they end it on Saturday, right? Yeah, it was at Close House, which is Lee Westwood's home course, I believe,

or where's that? Lee must have tied one on Saturday night, because he made the cut and then shot 79 or 80 in the whole round. Did I see somewhere that the purse this week on the Euro Tour was like 1 million pounds? A million pounds? That's not good. No, it's not. Which the Cornfairy purses are like 600K US. I just want to give a huge shout out to the European tour, of course, for still awarding 24 first place official

World Golf Ranking Points. This week the you guys want to guess what the strength of field was at the Betfred British Masters hosted by Lee Westwood. Uh, 62. 42. Ah, yeah. So, but the, you know, for all the winging that's been going on from the folks from the likes. Great word. Great word. Right from the likes of Andy Sullivan. He finished tied for fourth and gained 5.92 points. We're back, baby. So if the strength of field, so again, for back to the conversation,

the European tour has a, and the PGA tour for that matter, have a minimum number of points that have to be available for every event, and that is 24. So even it takes a strength of field of at least 106 to get above 24 points. So anything under that, doesn't matter how strong the field is,

you get 24 for finishing first. So even in a field that has say three top 100 players, you get 24 points for first place. If you have a 11, or I'm sorry, 17 top 100 players, like there was at the 3M, you are given the winner gets 38 points. So Adam Long finishes solo second, 17 under with beating 17 top 100 players.

He got 22.8 points yet to the winner of the European Tournament. Sorry. The prize fund was this week was 1.25 million euros. Next week, the hero open, which is at the force of Arden, Mary out hotel in Country Club in Birmingham, in beautiful Birmingham, England or Alabama, is 1 million euros.

Meanwhile, that same week, the WGC FedEx St. Judemutation is 10.5 million US dollars. Hmm. And everybody that missed the cut got 1,500 Euro this past week on the Euro tour. So that's included in that 1.25 I think. Which I guess. Yeah, that's tough, man.

Are we ready to talk some PGL? Sure. Hit me, baby. You hit us, man. Some news this week. I don't think the PGL is dead. Tell us about the PGL's not. The PGL's been in.

Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated. I think the PGL's in a better position than they were three months ago. Been quietly making moves. Yeah, and trying not to, but at the same time, trying not to be dickish about stunting on anybody during a pandemic. But yeah, some news, I believe it was you and Murray. The Guardian, yep. Yeah, he, uh, which I better, I better.

That's his newspaper, not his nickname. It was, you're right. Yeah, it was you and Murray. Yeah. Okay, because there's, there's like, there's, you and Murray's Sky Sports, there's you and Murray, there's like, Guardian. He's like, I do not work for Sky Sports,

and I do not write headlines as his Twitter profile. But he said, which I'll disagree with a couple of the things in his article, but... Well, what are the broad strokes? Are nine or 10 guys that have gotten letters, offer letters, and that they are in touch with Keith, don't call me Scott Pelley, and Jay Monahan. What is an offer letter?

So yeah, just going by some of the reaction that we saw, I think it's important to clarify a couple points. One, you know, like you mentioned, solid, this is theoretically, we would assume, from everything we've heard, what they're gonna try to lock down first is kind of who the player owners of these teams would be, and for people who haven't been following and have no idea what the Premier Golf League

the proposed Premier Golf League is, it would basically be 12 teams of four and kind of run like franchises, run like teams in another league. And I think their goal is probably to start with 12 player owners. And so a lot of the names that were named, which I don't know that I've really seen names named before skewed like much older and much more kind of, I think there were some kind of uninteresting on inspiring names on there. Do you have the list names?

You've got, this is on you and Murray's list. You got Phil Mikkelson, Adam Scott, Hendrick Stenson, Brooks Capka, Justin Rose, Ricky Fowler and Paul Casey. That's the first I've heard of Paul Casey. That one kind of made me scratch my head a little bit. And then also, he said, quote, they'd talk to the European tour. And just a little bit about this at least in first, an increased willingness to involve

golf's existing stakeholders in the PGL plan. And then EuroTour spokesperson said, for the last couple of years, we have been proactively sought out by a number of private equity companies, all of whom recognize the strength and influence the European tour across golf's global ecosystem. And so I think the thing to keep in mind or the thing to take away from this news,

at least for me was trying to get those player owners locked in. And I think some of the reaction I saw was kind of, well, those guys are like old. They're all washed up. They're all washed up and they're not interesting. I don't think that the point of a story like this is like, yeah, we're gonna start a tour with eight guys

and these are the eight guys. I don't think that's what they're saying. I think what they're coming at this with is like, these are our rumored, proposed kind of franchise owners and then they would fill out teams of four. So you'd have another, you know, whatever, another 40 guys that would fill out the rest of the team. I would, I mean, I've threw different circles.

I've heard different names. I mean, I think we've all heard different names. Every time we talked to people, we hear different names, but bottom line, it's not going away. And I think it's in flux. Like the reason you hear different names, but bottom line, it's not going away. And I think, it's in flux. Like the reason you hear different names is like, this is changing. And if it doesn't happen now, it's gonna happen in two years or it's gonna happen.

And I think a lot of the backlash initially was the Saudi stuff. Which I think at least my personally hand raised of like, I was not nearly as informed when this came out as I think we are now and was kind of like, eh, this seems like, this seems dirty, this seems scammy and we've probably helped fan the flames on that sentiment more than we probably should have. And I would say, yeah, I mean, the Saudi stuff, like ring groups, the one that's putting this together, doing a little homework on ring group,

they've done a number of like massive deals, like Manchester City when they sold that English primarily franchise. They're part of draft, like, draft kings. They're very, like, they're the largest kind of merchant bank for sports and media transactions in the world. So, which, like, I would think that they could probably raise a billion dollars without the Saudis too. So, you know, if push came to shove and that was too big of a hurdle for some of these players, I would think, you know what, hey guys, if this can happen without the Saudis, we can probably do that too. And hearing a little bit more about, like you said, ring group, I think some people kind

of have a vision of this league as like a couple guys driving around Arizona and their van, like pitching, you're like, no, it's going to be sick, man. It's a totally different tour. And it's like, no, it's gonna be sick, man, it's a totally different tour. And it's like, no, this is pretty, it's pretty buttoned up a entities. Yeah. Yeah, David Levy, the guy that they've brought on, used to run Turner Sports, like pro.

I think it's, you know, there were a lot of reaction too that like, oh, I thought this was dead. I thought Brooks and Rory had killed this and whatever. And I guess that was kind of my big takeaway from this week's news is like, oh shit, this is, this is still very, very much here. And I don't think that, I don't know. I mean, first of all, I didn't hear any of those players deny being involved this week, which maybe they did, maybe they did, maybe they weren't, I'll let it reach out for comment, I'm not sure. But like it would be, I think PJ Torre media was asking any of these people the question.

Well, it's no media. I guess that's another guy's really played this week. I mean, I'm trying to think of like a good example of someone on there. I mean, Phil, I don't think anybody really doubts that like he's involved, but like, I mean, read the names one more time. Nicholson Scott, Stenson, Capka Rose, Fowler.

So like Capka and Rose, there's two good examples of like, you know, his Brooks or Justin Rose, if they're not involved in this and they're super loyal to the PGA tour and someone There's a report that like oh these guys are you know entertaining offer letters to go join another league It seems like if that was totally false that we would have some Statements issues that's the other thing is the fact that the or to your point I think the PGA tour would thing is the fact that the or to your point I think the PJ tour would issue statement of the fact that the tour basically the Euro Tore acknowledged that they've met with them and the PGA tour confirmed with several people close to situations and said, yeah, like we've met with them too. So I would imagine the PGA tours

fear before was like, don't you know, let's not meet with these guys because it's going to legitimize them. Well, that's out the window now. Yeah. So now it's, you know, at the very least it's players trying to play the two entities off of each other and forcing the tour to figure out how to sweeten the pot for the top 10 or 15 players. And that's what, and that's the thing that's interesting about it especially is this

kind of, I don't know, fighter flight is the word here, but the, more like FOMO of, for the players, it's, if you are offered a franchise like right now, if you're offered a stake in this league, that might not be there in two years. You might not be the guy, if they circle back and, you know, this thing starts to come together in two years. And you need to join it in two years,

but you're not, you know, one of the guys calling the shots. Exactly. So it's for a lot of these top guys, it's kind of like a, hey, are we all jumping in on this? Or, you know, I don't want to be left holding the bag of not very much money here anymore on the PGA tour. If I'm one of the few guys that's not making this leap.

So that's the kind of the part that made it really interesting to me is, hey, we, for the top players is a question you have to ask yourself of, like, am I going to miss the boat on this? Because everyone else seems to be kind of talking about this. I'm at the right place at the right time kind of thing. And also, I think from the perspective of, if anything, all right, let's say this does materialize,

the people that are like, you know, I like the PGA tour, like the way things are. All right, what do you like about the PGA tour? Well, you know, like the top players only play against each other a couple of times a year, outside of the majors. And so, you know, I just like all this, you know, it's like a proving ground.

Well, it's gonna be even more of that if it's a feeder system or if it's... Well, so that, there's a couple of things to go in. And I think all of this, I mean, correct me if anybody has anything more concrete, but this is all kind of gathered from like a couple conversations and basically what the PGL had rolled out as their proposed kind of, you know, here's what we want the structure to be. But for people who are not familiar with anything that we're talking about here, do you want to talk

like a little bit about the structure that's proposed and how the PGA tour could or would potentially fit into this? If everything goes the way that like the and how the PJ tour could or would potentially fit into this if everything goes the way that like the pgl says that it's going to so basically what they had said was and I think part of this was our impetus for getting so deep into formula one I mean it's kind of a joke now but it has made this idea make so much more sense to me so you'd have 12 teams of four So you'd have 12 teams of four, 48 guys playing around the world, you know, for a shitload of money every week. A ton of money, for much bigger person than they're playing for now. That's going to get their attention every week.

Yeah. So basically you have a third of the players in the field playing for probably twice as much money. Week to week? Probably more than that. How's that math work for you? That seems good. Also 54 holes.

So it's a less golf as well. Game guaranteed. And so some people have said, all right, it's guaranteed money and all that. All right, at the end of the day, like guaranteed money for, if you finish 48th every week, you're still pulling down 100 grand. All right.

If I'm a caddy or something like that, dude, sign me up. 18 events, like I'm still making $2 million. These guys don't say no out of principle. Like just to be like, no, that doesn signed me up. 18 events, like, I'm still making $2 million. These guys don't say no out of principle. Like, just to be like, no, that doesn't seem right. I don't want to get paid. I don't want to get paid for finishing last place. That is not how these guys operate.

But then some people have said, all right, well, that turns into a WGC. Well, even before we get there, so a couple more structural things. So there would basically be a, like, an individual component. So 48 guys, team it up up together every, you know, 18 event schedule. So not every week, but you know, every couple weeks all around the world. There would also be, so there'd be an individual component.

So like F1, you'd have your champion driver of the year, whatever's called. World champion. World champion. See, champion, champion golfer of the Year, is that taken? We can use that. But you'd also have a team component, so you'd have to, the very beginning of this podcast,

like why is it more fun to see what's going on in F1, downfield, like what's going on with the race for seventh and 12th. And I think having a team is like a big component of that, right? Because there's team standings How are you moving up? Tron we talked about it a bunch where it's like a week like a WGC like there's no context when I don't know John Rom is out of the tournament and he could either finish 37th or 42nd like you absolutely don't care because you don't care About the FedEx cup because you don't really kid's not gonna affect his world ranking It's not gonna affect really anything. It's all completely arbitrary

and it's just to kind of fill up the field, right? And it's to kind of divide money that like nobody ever sees or thinks about. Whereas when there's a team component, like I think that makes the whole field a lot more interesting, right? Like I was, I imagine if Kat was wearing an earpiece, I would be like, I just mean, even like when you have,

you know, also I think the downfield at the WGC's, you have not to pick on our contingent from Japan or the Korean tour or any of those guys, but who solid would call the world ranking manipulators who get into those WGC's? Don't let me. They finish 35 shots out of the lead,

and they're just like never relevant. Like instead you'd have the top 48. like there's a big difference between 48 and 78 I think as far as kind of like the meat of an event goes and the grand and I doubt it would follow the w Like the world golf rankings because there's no Christ suck Well, not only that but but also because that's just a snapshot in time right one guys was personality Yeah, there's a whole component. But I guess the point is like, which is way more interesting to follow.

With F1, less players means more familiarity, means you care more about where they are. I think that's just like, that's very simple, but I think that's kind of the point, right? Fucking relegation. And there's potentially, yeah, relegation pitched. There's actual drama with this. Like all of the teams. So the bottom of it means almost more than the top.

It's unplayed where it's like, all right, you know what? Like so and so is finished. And the bottom five players of the last six events, like he's clearly gonna get relegated this year. It's his thought in doubt, because so and so Christopher and Chura is tearing up on the P PJ tour right now. And that brings me to the final point, which is exactly why it's important

to like set the context of what this thing could be is because I think, like, I don't think the PJ tour would frame it this way right now while the conversations are going on. But if the PGL succeeds in the way that like they're pitching that they're going to, like the PJ tour would then become kind of like the feeder system for it, right? Like how is the Euro tour and the Euro tour? Like how else would that go? Like and that's what kind of made it click for me a little bit was the more I thought about

it the more I'm like the PJ tours not going away. Like they're they're taking 48 guys from the tour and from Europe, right? But there's a ton of golfers. There's a ton of venues. There's a ton of sponsors. There's a ton like I almost gets to back to being more the tour, it was back in the 70s and 80s. Exactly, and that's where it's like, man,

if you like the, not to shit on Michael Thompson, but it's like, if you like these kinds of weeks, where it's like, hey, here's a journeyman who's like going out and getting it and improving his life, like that kind of seems like what it would make the PJ tour into. Because we've talked about the weeks like this are more similar to a top tier corn ferry event

in terms of field and in terms of excitement level and all that. But if you're the TOUR, you can easily see why all this freaks you the fuck out of, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're kind of saying it as if. But, yo, PJ TOUR is good to start.

No, no, no, no, I know you don't mean it that way. What's the people who say like, this is a soulless cash grab? What the fuck do you think is that X-companies? Right. Like seriously. And this, I could promise you're not gonna have picture and picture of small golf being played

while I commercial for the PGL's plot. That's the thing, it's like. Like I have messed up the entertainment aspect of the PGA tour. The tour has showed us their cards and their cards say that like, we do not care about the fans. Yes. Like, we do not care about the viewers.

We do not care about our product. Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, like, no. Hear me out. Or to give them the benefit of the doubt, like, our structure, like, doesn't really allow us to change. Because like, they can't, players hold all the cards. The players hold all the cards. The players hold all the cards and like they can't show, the way they show favoritism

is through things like the WGC's and through things like the massive cash disbursement of the FedEx Cup. Like they can't, the player run organization stuff makes it really, really hard for them to change. That's the crazy part to me is like, Tor wants to espouse themselves to be this independent contractors and then as soon as these guys sniff around and say, hey, you know what, I could go play

the 18 events and I'll still play, you know, some of these guys would still come back and play a few PGA tour events and all that. Like, essentially what guys do on the Euro tour now. They come back, they play six to eight events and keep their membership there and the tours basically said, no, absolutely not, you can't do that. Well, which one is it? Are you an independent contractor? Or are you like kind of an employee of the tour? And you have an anti, you have a non-compete.

Yeah, it's a really weird situation. I don't know, man. I don't know that like, we know where it's going to shake out, or I don't know if even like we've, I definitely know we haven't thought of everything on what goes into this. But I guess my massive kind of takeaway or where I'm at right now is like, don't fall asleep on this, because it's not gone, and it could legitimately like shake up all of golf and it doesn't really seem like people are taking it

all that seriously. No, I mean, I was just like kind of Googling articles about like, oh yeah, Monahan shut down the PGL talk. He's like, no, like no. Like none of this is shut down. And people thought when the PGL came out, like when news came out about it in January, February, whatever it was,

and that it didn't happen within a month that that meant it was dead. Like this thing's been in the works for six, seven years, something like that. And it wasn't their intention necessarily for it to come out right then. And it wasn't like, do or die right now or refail. It doesn't happen in the next month or year. That doesn't mean it's over either.

And you think Monahein's in a better spot now than he was five months ago. Or Pelley for that. Like for that matter. Basically bleeding, you know, bleeding the coffers, probably, you know, probably drawn down their coffer, they're $250 million dollar coffer by half, they're still to pay for that brand new headquarters building down the street from us. You know, and I know the big TV contract is what it is, but at the same time, like, we'll see.

I mean, they can't do, they can't offer what the PGL can offer these top guys. Like PGA Tour still has to be basically. Well, there's no more, the way that I view it, there's no more growth in the PGA Tour. That's what I, unless they go international. That's what I struggle with. And this is where I really don't mean to like shit on the PGA Tour or anything like love the PGA Tour. It's a great place.

But it's like, that's why I was so fascinated to see what would happen with the TV ratings in the hashtag Return to Golf. It's like, do there's nothing else on and you have all your best players playing, except for Tiger, which is a massive asterisk, admittedly, but they're back. They're back. So you have these two massive, massive things

working for you, like unprecedented things. You have all your best players at the Charles Schwab Challenge. You have all your best players at the Charles Schwab Challenge. You have all your best players at the RBC Heritage. Like this shit has not happened forever. And you have no competition. And that's why I like hearing some of the talking heads on like golf channel or radio or whatever. It's like, oh my god, these readings,

they're gonna be massive. It's like, no, they're not, because it's so unwatchable. It's so hard to figure out. It's so hard to have 200 favorite players. It's like, all right, I wrote a root for her. Ratings were up double over last year. All right, cool.

Ratings were down 18% last year, 20% year before that. You know what, Hertz was with MLB starting back up. All of the sports people being like, finally sports are back. Exactly, exactly. Oh, dude, they don't even think we're a sport. And that's where it's like, dude, that if you're gonna have to grow the game, and you want, like, if top players and golf courses

and equipment companies and fans to an extent, everyone except for Big Randy wants to, like, make the game of golf bigger and a bigger deal and more of a priority in people's lives around the world. I don't see how you can do that with the PGA tour model, where everything is very safe, everything has to be approved by the players.

There's too many players, there's too many events, there's too many weird moving cards. It's like, dude, it kind of seems like you've maxed out like what this is. Unless you go to, basically, unless they start making inroads into Asia. And, but then I don't think the Torah is cogent enough with their comms and marketing to bridge those two gaps

and those two spheres even, right? So it's just, it's hard, man, looking at like the, I mean, I know everything comes back to the structure of the Torah. Like, any conversation, you pull in the string long enough, it comes back to the fact that it's a charitable organization. And you can't undo that. You undo that.

I could be more broadly generalizing than it is, but you have to basically, you would owe taxes on every dollar. It's not just terrible. It's best interests of the members. Yeah, but I'm saying, for not having paid taxes on all the money that's come in, if that changed, if you decide, like, hey, we're gonna pay taxes, you pay back taxes.

10 years. No, I think it goes all the way back to inception. So, like, it's completely not an option. So, that's why it just seems like this whole band-aid on band-aid on band-aid, like, now we have WGCs, now we have FedEx, now we kind of are funneling sponsors to you guys, like, to get you some extra money. I'm gonna have to order. It's to opt-em, like, that kind of are funneling sponsors to you guys like to get you some extra money. I'm kind of sordid.

It's to opt-em, that kind of stuff, like how that works and it's all this band-aid, which I recognize those efforts and their smart efforts, I think, to get your top players paid. Or legally, you can't. You're not supposed to treat one player with preferential treatment over another.

So Rory versus Michael Thompson. And that's where, listen, maybe people are saying the same thing about us listening to this, but I feel like there's a lot of people that just haven't grasped how potentially seismic of a shift this is. Well, I think going back, you've got the, you know what I mean?

You've got to grow the game element and divorce that a little bit from like, yo, like let's just make something that's really entertaining to watch on TV. So that, though, DJI would say that shows you how strong or I guess how far the tours reach is over media partners and networks and all this. It's like, there's a reason why no one else

is talking about it is the tour doesn't want that people are talking about it. The golf channel's not gonna talk about it. Well, literally think about, this is fucking wild to think about. Think about like who would potentially talk about this story, right? Like I'm just rattling off like the biggest names

in like PJ or in like golf media that come to mind in the States, I should say. I was gonna say that, like that's why you got the Gordie in. Exactly. So like the PJ tour media channels, obviously not. Golf channel, obviously not. It's proven time and time again that it's just becoming more and more of a puppet

for whatever the tour is looking to do. Golf digest. Now indirectly, I don't even know, kind of owned by the tour. I don't really know how that works. Golf TV, they have a massive, are they owned by Discovery, which owns Golf TV, which is a massive partner of the tour,

like point being, I don't know if they're doing a big expose on this. Yes, PN. Yes, PN. Now the tour, like, point being like, I don't know if they're doing a big exposé on this. Yes, PN. ESPN. Now the ESPN plus, going to be the streaming provider for the PGA tour. So there's one, and so that kind of leaves you with like golf.com, which has, I don't know, I don't see, they have their own issues, but I don't see any like real, you know, PGA tour issues there.

And golf week, golf weeks, d, doubled into it a little bit, but I think. And other than that, it's kind of like, they're kind of limited with rogue, renegade, shitty podcasts, like this. Yeah, it's just, it's,

it's feels really weird. And like the more I think about it, and the more it clicks, and again, I'm happy to concede that maybe we've got something wrong here, or we're reading the tea leaves wrong, or whatever,

but, man, it's just the more you think about it, the more it's like, yo, people should be shouting this from the rooftops. Well, this is a massive deal. Going back, I think, we're not gonna go hop in a Formula One car next week. They're not trying to grow the game of Formula One. Grow the game of driving.

They're just trying to put a good product out on TV so people watch it. And then at that point, yeah. So I think at some point, it comes back to that. Like, yo, let's just start. Let's divorce this whole grow the game thing because nobody's gonna watch this tournament this past weekend and say, you know what, I'm gonna go start playing golf this week.

They're gonna do that because they have a cool, affordable municipal course down the street from them and their friends play. Well, I also don't think they're gonna do that because they're not watching this week. Yeah, well, yeah, that too. But so it's like, let's start from the square one. Divorcing it from Girl the Game completely and just saying, hey, let's just put a good product out there. And so speaking to those people, I think this is kind of like the last thing on my list as far as PGL goes is we haven't talked about the majors at all yet. And what's wild about this is that

I don't think the majors would change at all. They'd be better. I think they'd be better because you'd have the PGL guys coming in to play against the PGL tour guys. You'd have all this inherent friction between these two things. And it just, that part blows my mind.

It's like from a casual fans perspective. It's like, oh shit, the masters are still the masters. And the... This too calls my half of the US open any wins. Does he go to the PGL? Right. Like I think you'd have so much interesting stuff there, but I think from like the very casual fan that you're talking about, like I don't think the US open looks

at a lot different no matter what happened with the PGL. I don't think the masters, I don't think the British open. I don't think any of that stuff looks very different, which feels like an even easier sell because then all you're changing is kind of the 3M opens and the WGC Memphis and all of those things. Last thing, somebody brought up, hey, haven't we ever seen this before and through Indy and Kart? I think it was Kyle Robbins. So Kyle, I'm sorry, I'm Aaron, you're all like this, but it was a shitty take because basically like, yeah, we did have IRL and cart and NASCAR at the same time but

you know what else we had? Formula One and it was above that the whole fucking time. You know what I mean? So it's like that's kind of an irrelevant argument. Second time? Second time? God I get fired up when I talk about the FGL. You hate to see it who wants to go first. I'll concede back some of my time. I admittedly, I didn't have too many things I hated to see this week, so I'll give up my spot. And Tron's gonna take three of them. I've got three.

I knew it, but first of all, we've got Lonto Griffin before the dust settled this week. He was 10th in the FedEx Cup, but he can't even get a start in the WGC this week. Really? Yeah, so I'm sorry. You do hate to see that. You hate to see that.

Meanwhile, you got Jason Kochrack. How does he not get in there? You have, they don't have a FedEx cup exemption. No, it's just like straight up. And they make the feel. And they expend of the feel and he still isn't in. He's like, it's alternate right now. How to match.

Chan Kim is first alternate. Meanwhile, Jason Kochrack is all in. Okay. All in 2020. Pocket Aces. Chezes in, Sebastian Soderbergh is in, who I've never once heard of before. Kevin Strillman, and then, all right.

So my second one, US Junior Am, was supposed to be this past week, got canceled. Poor one out for all the kids. Hate seeing that, I was supposed to be up at Hazelteen. I thought there was something snarky there, but you really do hate to see that. No, I genuinely hate to see that. And then lastly, Tony Romo.

Oh, no. Shame on you. Get some exemption into a corn fairy event and withdraws after how many holes? Four holes. Somebody said seven, somebody said four, but get the fuck out of here. After you withdrew from a tournament a couple weeks ago,

the same person, get outta here. If you're in doubt for your health and you're getting an unrestricted sponsor's exemption, you gotta give that up and let somebody else in the field. I don't have the problem with you taking the exemption. You're not taking up a spot from somebody. You better damn, we'll be playing well and be healthy. Yeah, it's a bigger deal when it's on TV,

it's a bigger deal when fans can show up for all those things. Yeah, I get it, trying to get, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the highlight of my summer schedule. Trying to peak this week. I was trying to peak. It's just like the right size tournament for me, really good players. I'm far from being home course, home course, from being one of the top 10 players in the field, but I could compete with this group. I had committed a hit in two iron off the 10th tee,

which was my first hole. When it was supposed to be down on the left, it starts raining right before my shot, it starts shifting direction, so I didn't want to hit the two iron. You were be down on the left, it starts raining right before my shot. It starts shifting direction. So I didn't want to hit the two iron. You were all in on the two iron. I wanted to, I wanted to bump a driver. This could be the rubber green, is it, are we?

Spray it, OB. No, I got some rubber to create. Spray it, OB. First ball of the week. Hit my next one down the bank. Try to hit it. A gap wedge from a ball above my feet. It goes in the water.

Hit the next one on two putt for a quad. Open the week with a quad. I'm behind the eight ball. I'm out of the tournament for before it even starts. And that's just something, yay, to see that. I ended up finishing like T31. It didn't cost me the tournament. I didn't play great anyways.

But that's just the worst feeling walking off the first screen, making a quad after a third tournament. You're really trying. Can we give a shout out to the finish of that tournament? You and I were having some beers walking around watching the end of the golf tournament at Jack's Beach. Of course, the 18th hole, the vaunted finishing part five, which we can discuss. We got to play one under this week.

Actually, we should give a shout out to our Crash Course podcast after this. The 18th hole coming down, two-man horse race between two guys whose names. I forgot. Cody Carroll and Cody Carol. They're villainy or something. I mean, Randy, Randy, Randy was pissed that we even let a French guy into the city. We don't actually know if he's French.

His name was Pierre Viennue though. He's French. But Cody's got a two shot lead, hits it in the shit left. And blah, blah, blah. Anyways, Pierre's got a chip in for Eagle to even make this thing interesting. Does it, like the very small crowd is kind of going nuts and then Cody has to make a birdie

on the difficult, kind of weird gimmicky, someone would say, 18th hole and does it to win. So that was a stick. And the 18th hole provides some great trauma. It did. And I played it, I played 17 and 18 both one under this week. There you go. That's very smart.

So, rubb of the green. Go ahead, Dej. I mean, I don't have a good one. Murf, our guy who lives on 16, turns out he wasn't home. So we were able to sneak into his mini fridge and grab some beers during the time. Please do not do that.

So if you're playing Jack's Beach, people don't know which house he goes. He lives in an undisclosed place. Don't go to any of the house. Everything breaks to his pool though. Maybe I'll be able to figure it out. Do you see Rubber the Green? This is actually from Zach Blair. He sent a voice from him this week. He was playing, you know, he played, he skipped 3M. He played probably

11 times this week. He was playing out at somewhere up in Park City, I believe. There's some power lines that run to the course, right. So this is a potential rub of the green. Could have been the mega rub of the green of the century. It was just a slight rub of the green. Ends up hitting the power line on the par three. It's below the power line, it's top of the ball, but it was kind of a low spinner. Ball keeps spinning, goes straight, almost holds out.

Almost a ace off the power line, and what if I do a retie? That's gonna say, you gotta retie if you, that on Ace, off the power line and what if I do retie? That's gonna say, you gotta retie if you, that's a rule of the power line. He said it was about an inch, it was about an inch away, rolled about a foot past, and he was like, you know what, I wouldn't have retied it. I would have just walked off the foot. Yeah.

For sure. My favorite green of the week was of course, Max spraying one right on the beautiful, drivable 16-hole, spraying it right, but thank God there's a strip of rough there in the hazard that kept his ball up. We wouldn't want two balls to go in the water there for this week. But that was, that's the rubber of the green. It stayed up. He chipped up close and made a birdie. And my backup rubber of the green was me having two puts in the tournament.

They got hit the cup liner thing, the little lift or cup thing, the COVID protector and pop right out of the hole, which is really fun. That happened to Gabby Ruffles this week, too. It did. It was bad one tough. Going back to Max, shot out to him for not calling a rules official today. Taking his own draw. Taking his own draw.

Maybe things you love to see. Yeah. I did have a soapbox someday. Go ahead. So let me preface this with, I know that he WD'd from the tournament with a apparent back injury. And that could possibly sum up what we saw last week with the 8080, but I wanna talk about Dustin Johnson.

Specifically, I wanna talk about the fact that Dustin can go out and shoot 8080 and like nobody pretends like it's the end of the world. And if that was Jordan's spieth, like people would be absolutely dancing on his grave. It would be, his career would be over. It would be an absolute like nightmare scenario, but with Dustin everyone's like, oh wow, huh.

Yeah, he just won, but like, I get, yeah, I don't know, I guess he stinks now. That's, that's weird. Anyways, what else is going on? That blows my mind that there's so many players in that category. I think, like Dustin's like that. I think Justin Rose is like that, or it like that or he can just stink for six months and everyone's like, oh, weird, Rosie, don't guess he doesn't have it.

I think Rory's even got a little bit of that too. I think he does too. And I think that's- If Rory shot 8080 people have been freaking out. More so than DJ. Yo, yeah, wait more. I mean, Brooks is playing like ass. Exactly.

He's like, Brooks is, I think, is in that category. And I think- If Speed had won two weeks ago and then then shot 80, 80, it would be different than if he did it right now. It would be different, but I also think like, I actually, I don't know. I think he would get, I think he would get a minor pass if he had just won.

I think right now, it would be like, oh my God, his career's over. That's what I'm saying, is DJ just won, so I think. I see what's saying, I see what's saying. But it's just, it's weird to me, and it makes me think that, like, I don't know if it's, that people just that. But it's just, it's weird to me, and it makes me think that, like, I don't know if it's that people just don't have an appetite to, like, I think people can only fit

a certain number of, like, golf passion, like professional golf passion in their brains at any one time. Whereas, like, dude, I got, listen, man, Tiger, I gotta live and die with every shot of his, Rory, kind of, to an extent, and spieth, I ride for really hard, but, like, I don't really have room for anybody else, and that feels really weird for shot of his, Rory kind of to an extent and spieth I ride for really hard. But like I don't really have room for anybody else. And that feels really weird for one of the, I don't know, five biggest stars in golf. Six biggest stars in golf.

That feels like he gets a mega pass. And all that said, you know, hopefully the back injuries a real thing be not too debilitating because it'd be fun to see him play well in the major. It has to be. It has to be. If you win two weeks ago and then you should come out and think a couple thing, B, not to debilitating, because it'd be fun to see him play well in the major. It has to be. If you win two weeks ago and then you should come out. I would think a couple of eighties, there has to be something going on there. So, TC.

I'm kind of going to bifurcate it here. First of all, I want to say shame on Renault for this protest. They're going to protest every week this season, I guess. Racing points stinks. No, you've been, no. Randy and I talked about it. Listen to the trap draw this week. Randy and I brought on our Memphis expert. Talk about Memphis. No, no, you've been, no, Randy and I talked about it. Listen to the chapter all this week.

Randy and I brought on our Memphis expert. Talk about Memphis. So listen to the chapter. Our shame was plugged for the chapter all this week. A lot of mech help us as well. But shame on Renault. Racing point, they're digging it out of the dirt. They're doing good things.

People are saying that they're copying the brakes from Mercedes or whatever. Toto has said, no such thing has occurred, right? So they're just fast. They're fast to shit. They're fast because they're copying Mercedes. People don't wanna, you know, Toados even saying that they're faster through some corners than Mercedes is. You know, people don't wanna see Lance Stroll

and Sergio Perez. Team Nebukton. Disgusting. And now, you know, we're here in the Vettelmico their next year, kick Perez out of his spot. Got my, uh, my soapbox Sunday. Every two lane brings you home. Luke Brian. Two lane beer. Every two lane brings you home is there is there. So every

two lane road in the world brings you home. And that's their official. A lot of two lane roads in the world. There home, and that's their official spot. You've got a lot of two lane roads in the world. There's a lot of them. You could say, you know, every two lane brings you farther from home as well, if you were pessimist. That's what I'm getting at here. So if you're gonna advertise in the last hour of the broadcast every time with, what makes you country?

And then come on and say, every two lane brings you home. I'm just, what about if you live off a one lane? That's the dumbest tagline I've heard since live under par. I'm having every two lane brings you home. I'm gonna, yeah. I don't know. I'm heavily challenged to install the date, rape, country stuff anyway, so that's not my thing.

Can I do a little quiz with you guys? Sure. Before we close out, what makes come through? Go through some, not an ad, because fuck that. Go through some FedEx cup stuff. This was prior to this week finishing up. Projected FedEx cup or actual. This was prior to the week.

Adam Scott. Prior to this week was the standing. 85. That's a good guess. 31. Really? No, he's still playing golf. Kevin Strylman.

Oh, he's higher. 27th. That's a good guess, too. 19. Yeah. Baba. 58th. God, that's a good guess there 19. Yeah, Baba. 58. God, that's a good guess too. Yeah, I was gonna say right around 50.

58. That's great. I swear I'm not looking at it. Pat and Kazir. 131. No, he's like 42. Really? 160.

Okay. I'm feeling myself a little bit now. I'm the name of all of you now prior prior this week 30 ninth no higher than that twenty one 32 really yeah they touched on that Lastly Scotty Schuffler 49 15 27 okay so kind of the middle. Right in the middle. And I want to give a shout out to, he's been listening to me. LPGA is back this week at Inverness.

Well stoked for that. Shout out to their commercial, like brought my eyes to the screen. They showed it one time and the dumb ass PGA tour commercials are so bad. And the LPGA one was like, oh, fuck yeah, that gets me excited. Well, it makes a big difference when it's advertising an event you're not already watching. Very true.

And it had a top 100 course in the country. Right, yeah. That's awesome. And then we got Reno too. Reno, Reno feels gonna be wild this way. And also, like you mentioned, show up to our new podcast. If you're listening this far and you're still craving more golf podcasts, we have a new podcast

called Crash Course. It's kind of a sister act to, I'm going to sneeze, so why don't you take it from here? As soon as you said sister act, I was thinking about sister act too. Oh, sister act too, it's my sister act. Yeah, a sister podcast, a sister act, if you will, to our video series. To our video series, sorry, I didn't know where you're going with that. So we just published the first three episodes.

There are Jack's Beach, Pine Valley, and what was the third one? I forget. But what else do you see when you get there? Exactly, it's a, basically, we do a lot of, we get to see a lot of golf courses. We don't always sit down to talk about them. It doesn't usually fit into our podcast structure.

On this feed, and it's time consuming, and we don't always sit down to talk about them. It doesn't usually fit into our podcast structure. On this feed, and it's time consuming, and we don't take cameras with us, to turn them into videos, or necessarily post on the website. So it's kind of our brain dump for golf courses. And I wouldn't say you're meant to listen to all of them. It's kind of like if you're interested in this place and hearing about it, we're gonna tell you about it.

So we're gonna release for the near future three a week on Monday mornings, and hopefully just build out that database of golf courses across the world, really, as time goes goes along so check that out if you're craving some more golf content or Hopefully, you know if you want to come back in a couple months and see what the library looks like that would be Yeah, someone you're taking a trip somewhere. It's a repository of TBC sawgrass was the other one. That's right. That's right Which we got into the sewer system Some interesting things you've unified that one. So without you guys,

good to wrap it? Good. All right. Thank you everybody for tuning in. A little bit long one for a kind of a somewhat boring week, but a lot to talk about still. So thank you for listening and we'll see you back here again next week. Cheers. Two! Let's get the right club, be the right club today. Yeah! That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most!

Better than most! I Expect anything different