No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 343: Wyndham/US Am Recap with Ryan Lavner

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

Jim Herman comes out of nowhere to win the Wyndham, Si Woo makes a bizarre play, Koepka misses the cut, and everything else from the Wyndham with Golf Channel's Ryan Lavner. We also discuss the U.S. Am at Bandon (recorded before the finish of the championship match) as well as some bizarre controversies that emerged during the week, the current state of college and amateur golf and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast. Sunday night recap is going to be a little different this week. We are on the road for basically the first time since March filming Taurus sauce season 6.

I did take the day off from playing today to watch some golf and then we called up Ryan Lavinner from the golf channel to Take us through the weekend golf. He's been watching a lot more golf than we have out here and the guys are off filming doing other things So we've never had him on which seems ridiculous. I don't know why that is the case. He follows the game extremely closely follows the amateur game very closely for golf channel of course and With the USA. I'm going on. We just brought in, we brought in the closer here to talk, talk to Sam and her golf, kind of put this, this week's event in perspective, talk about the wind, I'm talking about the Lady of Scottish Open as well. We're going to get to that shortly.

We talk a lot about what is in our hands and, and the hands of the tour players, but we rarely talk about what is on those hands. I told the story when we went to the epic flash launch event. I put on the Callaway Tour Authentic Glove, and I honestly thought they were just for Tor Pros. I didn't think that, because it was called Tour Authentic, I was like, oh my God, they wheeled out like all the really good stuff for this Epic Flash launch event. I didn't know you could actually buy them.

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they last a really long time, but I was ready for a new one, but I just, I hate changing gloves. Put a freshman on the other day, and it was immediate how much better my grip was on the golf club. So again, check that out. Callaway Tour authentic glove at CallawayGolf.com. Let's get to our chat with Ryan Lavinor. All right, Lavin, I'm riding hard on you this week. I, you know, I'll probably mention about 35 times while we're recording here that I'm at Bannon right now. Not watching a lot of golf.

Watch some golf here on Sunday, but I'm hoping you watch some golf this week. I don't blame you at all. By the way, we actually couldn't be further apart almost on the United States map. I think we're more than 3,000 miles apart. You're in a golfing heaven and Bannon dunes and I'm in my house sweltering because it's Orlando, Florida. I'm extremely envious in other words. Well, I was really questioning some of my life decisions

today that I spent most of my afternoon watching the windum while being next to some of the greatest golf courses on the planet. But we did. I did watch today. I watched, I kind of didn't catch a lot in the in the days leading up to it but how about jim herman who saw this one coming i mean it was this everything that you hope for when you when you set out at

eighteen or thirty six whole day abandoned that you wanted that you want to see jim herman pull through and shoot one twenty four a weekend he gave us something at least i mean it was i it wasn't the leader board wasn't getting me super jacked up going into it, not going to lie. I wouldn't have picked him Herman as something that I would have wanted to happen in particular, but the way he played on this weekend, and the shot of him inside the trailer wherever

he was watching it from, they captured that so well of he did not want that playoff. I feel like every time they go to that shot, guys are just kind of sitting there, they're acting calm, they're acting cool. I'm sure they're freaking out on the inside, but he was visibly wearing what looked like some very, very real nerves in that trailer.

Dude, he drank from a water bottle with the cap on. I mean, you can't even make this stuff up. And it's not like this is his first win either. Like he won last July. I know, but it doesn't, you know, for somebody that has struggled so much since the win, doesn't, you know, get a ton of starts still. And I said this on Twitter, like he,

one of my favorite stats maybe I've ever seen, is that he won on the PGA tour last year and didn't make the playoffs, which is, it has to be an opposite field event for you to do that, but it's truly one of the most amazing things. seen is that he won on the PGA tour last year and didn't make the playoffs, which is it has to be an opposite field event for you to do that, but it's truly one of the most amazing things. I don't even know how that happens. He was heard, I think, for a good chunk of that, but your point remains is that the

dude, when he sniffs contention, he does not do it very often. But when he sniffs contention, he is absolutely cut through. I mean, he made- It was lethal. He made three birdies, I think, over the last six holes. The birdie on 17 was really good, and then, I mean, to shoot 124, I know it was lift clean in place, and it's target practice out there. But for a guy who hasn't done absolutely anything over the course of this speech, we were

looking back at Brooks, obviously blew up at TPC Harding Park shot 74 on the final day. Jim Herman shot worse than him. He was the only player in the field who shot worse than Brooks kept. God a day when everybody was getting it in Harding Park. And a week later, he wins on the PGA tour. It's insane. I do love like the true come from nowhere. I know it's like the easy Twitter fodder to just like post the recent results from somebody that has come out of nowhere. I know it's like the easy Twitter fodder to just like post the recent results from somebody that has come out of nowhere, but what this guy has done,

like three wins is huge too. I was in and out of catching the audio. I don't really know how well they highlighted like, I mean, you would know the criteria better than I do. Three wins get you on the Champions Tour, doesn't it? Oh God, I'm not sure about that. By the time he gets to, he's 42. By the time he's 50, they may have changed all the rules

by then, who knows? But I think it's something along those lines that you avoid. I mean, he's almost, he's almost in Ricky Territory at this point. That's scary. I thought we wouldn't get there today with Big Randy not being on the episode,

but you just swooped right in there and went for that. Nobody wants to ever remember Ricky's European tour wins. It's probably the only time I'll ever use European tour wins. The Asian tour, does the Asian tour count in there? Listen, it was Abu Dhabi and it was a Scottish open. It was not like the Sicilian open. Those were big events. I can't believe I thought I'd get a week off from having to do this, but...

Jim, Herman, here's another stat. Has as many Peeja tour wins over the past 13 months as Roy McElroy. I saw that one that you tweeted and that was a little, you know, 13 months. That's a very selective end points. I might say it was extremely selected because you you did not want to see what Jim Hermann did for the previous like 10 months. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, it's first or facts. First win came at age 38 and now is one three times on tour by the age of 42 as well. So I mean, I love, I love these type of stories. It's a guy who obviously has toiled for decades trying to find, you know, the biggest stage on the PGA tour and to do it now

in an era when you've got the Bryson's and the Can Champs and the Finaus pumping out 200 plus ball speeds and hitting as far as they can and just reducing these classic courses down to nothing for Jim Herman to be able to do it while dinking it out there 280 and just rolling in from everywhere. What do you have? Almost 450 feet worth of putts. I don't want to see this every single week on the PGA tour, but it's a cool reminder that there's still some lifers who are absolutely grinding out there.

And when they actually see that career reward come to fruition, it certainly is fulfilling and satisfying as a TV viewer, too. Yeah, it's weird. I feel more satisfaction today than say if Billy Horsill had won. Yeah, totally. And I was kind of looking up, kind of preparing some things for Horschl to win. I thought he was going to win. Is Horschl?

Number one on the list of sneaky, guys that have sneaky amount of wins that you wouldn't think have that many wins. Because we were talking about a guy like... What do you got? He has five. One is a town that... Is that count the Zurich?

Yeah, that counts the Zurich. And he had a, you know, has a bunch of other close calls too But like who else is on that list of guys that in your you know I'm kind of putting you on the spot here But guys that have a sneaky amount of wins that most people wouldn't say like hey this guy I know Ricky always is the barometer like this guy has as many or more wins than Ricky like Web comes to mind. He's got seven web's got as many as Brooks Capka, which is a very wild sad in my mind

We did we also need as many as Brooks Capka, which is a very wild sad in my mind. We need, we also need to get to Brooks Capka. Okay. Because that was, that was a curious week for him. Web is the one who always comes to mind for me. What's Jason Day got? Jason Day's got 12, I think. He does.

Mine is Brandt Snetaker. He's got nine, which is just kind of small. What? Yeah. What are half of them at Pebble? Potentially. I think Snet's is like just the king of, I don't know what to, what's what are half what are half of the pebble? Potentially, I think sneds is that like just the king of I don't know what to what to call this category, but it's like Guys that you don't you don't count on every week like if if Branson Edgar misses the cut if Billy Horsham misses the cut

You don't notice anything right if Ricky misses a cut like you you would probably notice it It probably somewhat get talked about but guys that have won a ton of events yet still fly completely under the radar. So Sneds is won the Wyndham twice. He's won the Heritage Farmers Insurance Open Torch Championship. Only one of the he's got two wins at Pebble Beach and two at the Farmers. So how many wins does Kutur have? He would nine. He's got nine to be in there. He is, but I feel like Kutur is. Sneds is a nice pull. Yeah, that Sn, Sneds might be the king of that team, as far as just weirdly a lot of wins and still, still an active player.

So let's talk about Capka. What, what, what do you see in there? I mean, I was not surprised at all. He's playing how many weeks in a row and, uh, this is six. I mean, there's a potential for him to play, what would it be? 10 or, it'd be nine, it'd be nine in a row and 10 of 11

once you get to the US open. And so I wasn't surprised to see him at all. It was more like, Brooks had a strange week in that he's, he's build himself as golf's truth teller. And he hasn't been all that honest as of late. And like last week, it was, it was multifaceted. The first part is, you know, the DJ stuff. And him saying that the media, you know, writers like myself have overplayed the friendship with DJ. No, that was that was Brooks who has said these things. Like there are repeated examples of the course of history in which he said in

one instance, he's my best friend, I love that, I love the guy to death and that we hang out all the time. And so for him to just backtrack on that and say that it was us, certainly didn't sit well. And then like the injury thing to me is so strange because, and I want to get into this, because there are other sports, football, basketball, baseball. I think you could even make a case for tennis, that you would not want to disclose an injury, because it puts you at a competitive disadvantage, right?

There is nothing of the sort in golf, that if he says, yes, I've got a partially torn fatelertender, which is what he had last year, and he had this stencil treatment. that if he says yes, I've got a partially torn Patelotin and which is what he had last year and he had this dental treatment. If he comes out and says that, that's great. We finally have an explanation for why he can't get up on his left side and why his ball striking has been so inconsistent and why he struggled off the tee.

I mean, just come out and say it, but for him to say over the past couple weeks, A, my hip is not an issue. And then B, this week, he told Will Gray at the Windom that it's not his knee either. So what is it? It's like a lower body injury. It's like that hockey designation.

Like it's just a lower body injury now. Just be honest with you. If you've built yourself as Mr. Honesty, it kind of cuts both ways, doesn't it not? Hey, man, to that. I mean, he's kind of, I feel like what you're talking about there is has to stem from this. I'm an athlete, not a golfer, right? It's not. He doesn't want to make excuses, which is certainly admirable. But there's a rationale for this. You would stop getting asked if you were just honest about it. Yeah, it kind of seems like I don't know. I do appreciate that he is one of the few guys that is willing to ruffle some feathers talking about other players and kind of be an

Straight shooter about but yeah, I see exactly what you're saying if you're not going to be honest with us about what's going on with your own game or what not. It just comes off as like tough guy. Like I'm tough. I'm not hurt. No, I'm just, you know, I'm not playing. It's easier to blame bad play than it is like an injury for somebody of his weird ego, I guess. I don't know if it's necessarily ego, but just of his build of on this, on this athlete,

like no chance. I, first of all, he hates the fact that he's a golfer. Second of all, if he was an injured golfer, he would feel even more immasculated. I feel like. And it's like it's straight out of the tiger playbook. Yes. And and but tiger to his credit over the past couple of years has been way more forthcoming about how he's feeling now. We had an absolutely zero idea that he needed arthroscopic surgery on his knee that he had last fall and ended up missing a couple of months. But like, he'll tell you, if he's not feeling well that day with his back, yes, I woke

up stiff. I could not move. I could not move that well. We're going to have to see how this weekend goes because, you know, I woke up today and didn't feel great. I appreciate that. It doesn't put him at a competitive disadvantage. You know, if Roy is up on the lead aboard and he's, oh, you know, Tiger's not feeling good. I've got to leg up on him now. No one's thinking like that. They're worried about their own game. They're worried about attacking the golf course. So this hyper secrecy that Brooks has adopted is so strange because I'm with you.

How blunt he is and just how honest he is just approaching everything else in terms of the golfful. Boy way thing to slow play and in some of his peers, I love that. I love that. I think we need more of it because PGA Tour by and large is super vanilla. But this injury stuff and the relationship with DJ, it's just putting him into a hole

that just seems unnecessary. No, I think it also, it ranges from blunt honesty enjoyable to also at times really petty. I think it also, it ranges from blunt honesty and joyable to also at times really petty. The price and stuff is starting to get a little bit like, I mean, all right, man, you've won four majors here. This guy's won zero and you seem to be mentioning him every time you get an opportunity to talk

and it's how it's just like bullying. Now it's just like bullying. Yeah, it's kind of funny at times, but at the same time it's kind of like, why is this so important to you? You're on a whole different level. And yeah, I don't want you to turn into a polished media guy, whatever that is.

And I do appreciate the transition I guess he's had from feeling like people, I feel like he came up was kind of trying to try to fake in his way around it and said things he felt like he was supposed to say. People still didn't really like him or didn't really, weren't really naturally drawn to him. And then he was like, well, all right, well, why don't I just, you know, actually say what I actually think.

And still probably not experiencing that many people liking him and kind of his at a crossroads of how he's supposed to handle some of this stuff. Yeah, and Mike, I wonder if Saturday the PJ was an eye-opening experience for him because you know, it's all funny games and he's torching Bryce and her Sergio or or slow play or Rory, you know, you can get some you can get some chuckles out of it. And then it but it seemed like it crossed the line when it was DJ like oh Harm harmless DJ. Why would you go out of your way to to Denegrate a guy who was your one-time friend and so I wonder if that could potentially be a turning point for Brooks the way he thinks about it

Because he certainly seemed apologetic not necessarily about taking a shot at DJ but kind of putting down the other guys who are in that situation. The guys like Morakawa and Cam Champ who haven't had all that much experience, but we're still up on the lead aborted. I think Brooks actually felt bad about the way that that came out. But I'm, which is, it's next to be taken down the gunfire at DJ. Yeah. And I felt like that's kind of understandable. I, I was, I could, we all kind of piled on them. I was definitely part of that for the his comments he made

after the round, but I can see that walking straight off a golf course, you know, it's got to be super intense to compete in a major championship even when there's not crowds around. And to just like look at a leaderboard and kind of think what you're saying, like, you know, say what you're thinking quickly after a round, I'm sure he, I'm sure I actually believe him when he says he doesn't, you know, didn't like how it came off and sounded, because I'm sure it's just not,

it's got to be a hard time to really speak very safely and polished, and I have no problem with him looking at the board and saying like to himself, like, hey, yeah, these guys haven't done before, I've done it, like, I know, I know I'm confident going into tomorrow, but the public does not like when people say those kind of things out loud. If they're viewed as being disrespectful, which I don't think he, I truly don't think he meant them as disrespect, but it definitely came off that way. So it's, it's reasonable reaction all around, I think.

Yeah. And like, having seen that hundreds of times, I'm not sure yours at home understand how quick it is from players getting in this scoring to going and doing the partner interviews and then you do the interviews with people like me who are waiting there with notebooks out. Like it's super quick. It's a matter of minutes and so I don't think he was there studying the leaderboard and thinking of prepared remarks of what he wanted to say.

And so I tend to give him a pass there, just like I tend to give a pass to disappointed players on Sunday. They sign their card and they come straight out with a camera in their face. And they're being asked to speak eloquently and intelligently and compassionately about what was a heartbreaking moment five or ten minutes ago. And so I tend to give those players a pass to if they say something that's potentially regrettable. And I think after a couple days Brooks had seen the Arab as ways, but the DJ thing just doesn't make any sense at all. Like you just have to own it at this point to say we had a falling out. We're no longer friends. I'd like to keep it at that.

And I think everyone would drop it. Yeah. I mean, something happened at the Ryder Cup. We still don't really know exactly what happened there. And yeah, Brooks also seems like the kind of guy that might be hard to be friends with over a long period of time. But actually, where is DJ? Where is DJ? I don't think I think he's just could, you know, can go along with pretty much anything.

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Look no further than Pinehurst. Again, Pinehurst.com, see what they've got going on there. Amazing offers. Let's get back to our chat with Ryan Lavner. Who are some of the guys when you're on site reporting and you're talking about these guys that are coming out to talk to you guys? Who are the guys you look forward to speaking to the most? Who are the guys that are the best at handling that? And maybe who are, if you're willing to name names, some of the ones that you're like, oh, I know this isn't going to go very well. I think Rory can be kind of hit or miss when you get him coming off the 18th green. And look, he's he's playing for a lot more than than a Billy Horseshal or Jim Herman in

terms of his legacy and kind of his standing in the game. There's a lot more expectation to pressure on him when he's going to win a tournament. And so he tends to wear his devastation on his sleeve a little bit more. John Romney could certainly put in that category just in time. I love the guy to death, but if things go south down the stretch for him, that could be, that could be kind of tough. Bryson, you might not even actually get to talk to him. But I think, I think Adam Scott probably has the best perspective of players.

I mean, he just lives an idyllic life and I think we all want to be him. But he's a player who if things don't go right over the last hour, I think you can always count on him. A, to show up, which is what all we really want. We need supporting color. player who, if things don't go right over the last hour, I think you can always count him A to show up, which is what all we really want. We need supporting color, we need supporting sound for stories and be able to ask in questions of A, what went wrong and B, why did it go wrong? I think that's really important. Boy, I put me on the spot there.

No, those are good answers. I would have thought. I'm trying to think. I would have thought Rory have been on the opposite side of one of the easier guys or better guys to deal with. I know what you're saying, that after a bad round it can be kind of tough. Yeah, sometimes he might not stop. If something goes wrong on 17 or 18 he's going to stop. But if he just has a poor final round, if he shoots 74 or 75, when he's in the lead heading to the final day,

there's a chance, if not a likelihood, that he's not going to stick around for questions after work. And look, if it happens a couple of times a year, I totally get it. We're not the ones who are between the ropes. We're just the ones asking questions. And so if he's frustrated enough to not want to stop and dissect every detail, What was the disappointing day?

I totally get that. Right. You know, the more scenarios like what happens with Brooks, you know, the reaction to those comments, then the less likely that they are, you know, going to want to stop when things aren't going greater when, you know, it is a big moment because people are going to scrutinize it. It's tough.

It's tough thing to manage for both the writers and for the players and stuff. I think that's why Tigers, look, he might not always say something in his news conference after he speaks or after he after he plays around, but he almost always talks. I mean, every sink around doesn't matter whether he shoots 65, 70, 75 doesn't matter if he wins, doesn't matter if he loses, doesn't matter if he's feeling poorly, doesn't matter if he's feeling great. You can probably count on two hands, maybe a little bit more over the course of his 20-something year career in which he hasn't stopped. And for people who need to fill up the notebooks and write stories on your single day, to me,

that's one of the greatest things that Tiger has done. He is accountable for his own play. And I think that type of model, if that was on the PJ tour, more widespread, I think we'd all be in a better place. Yeah. Well, not to reverse course back to the windum, but one of the only things I had jotted down to talk to about today, was if you could help me try to explain what Siwu Kim did on the 6th of today, tied for the lead maybe kind of one-back Horser was making a birdie right around that time

to either take the lead but for those that haven't seen the hole can you describe the hole a little bit and try to explain why he tried to drive it over this ditch and where I can only count maybe like four or five guys the whole week that tried this t-shirt I don't know if any of them were ever in contention at any point when they did this but can you I didn't have the sound on for this part. Can you please help me make sense of this? All right, so it's like a 430-yard car voice, it's the sixth lower talk, but that's it's field. And there's a there's a creek that that bisects the the middle of the fairway. And so it's like two 60, 270 or something like that, Optity.

So almost everybody just hits a hybrid, a long iron, a three-foot or something down there, just to bust it down there and give themselves a mid to short iron into the green. For the first three days, see, what came to that? He was somewhat effective too. I'm looking at it now. He made a birdie on the second round, made part in third round, part... Yeah, so he played the whole one under for the first three days. And then for some reason, he was tied for lead. For some reason, he grabbed driver. And it was funny because Dottie,

Pepper, Ian Baker Finch, and Fowler were all screaming at him when he had driver to Sans. Like, how much of a necessary risk that is that there's basically no reward whatsoever. The area that he'd be hitting into is 20 yards wide tops. Then, there's a bunker which leaves that dreaded like wedge bunker shot. And then, there's the native area to the right, which of course is where Seavu can slice it into and loss his ball and made double. But it was so funny in the sense that Dottie, Fowl and Baker Finch knew it right away, knew

it right away that this was an absolute bone-headed decision that why would you possibly hit driver when you could just feather a little three wood down there and leave yourselves 175 yards into the flag. And sure enough, it comes back to bite and then he pull driver again on eight and another bogey. And that's just Sea-Woo. It's an experience in that position and it's just a bad club choice. You know, you help me make sense of Sea-Woo because I feel like, you know, when he does get in contention, it's another one of those guys I look at. And I'm like, hey, how

do you not win like a lot more? Are you really good yet? At times just seems to completely fade away. I, you follow like the amateur game and you follow these guys as they're coming up better, you know, closer than any, maybe anyone I know. How do you make sense of CW Kim overall as a player? I think you hit on it perfectly. Like you, you watch him swim the golf club

the way that he did, certainly on Saturday. Shootin' 62, it was like it was nothing. He almost made two aces, hit it to like five feet for the first third on the par three, and it was like his swing is beautiful. He's been working with Claude Harmon over the past year, Claude did some great stuff, but you look at the statistics.

I mean, it's sneaky, terrible. Like he's not a good driver. His iron play is really poor. I guess around the greens, he's decent. I remember at the players when he won, wasn't that like the big thing that he was just god awful on around the greens and he just blew with the field that week. And it was kind of an eye-opening experience and that, oh wow, if a guy with this grade of a swing configured, I don't know, on the greens, you know, look out, this is a potential world-beater and it just hasn't unfolded like that. Now, apart from that, because of injuries, his mindset isn't great like his on-course compartment and

the way that he handles himself on the golf course is not great, but there's there's something lacking because if you if you watch him play golf, I mean, it's an absolute strike show and you look at the results and the stats as a whole and they they just don't seem like the the proper some of the parts. Yeah, if that announcing crew you name is screaming at the television, if you're not screaming something like screaming like what are you doing? I that that's I don't like armchair quarterbacking decision making for torpos I mean because I think they're just you know you go hope you know you talked about it

There's four different you play that whole four times you got to make decisions on that you got to do it 72 times I get on repeat you make a million tiny decisions in a round where you're aiming an, you know, the difference in three feet of where you aim it could be the difference in the tournament, blah, blah, blah. But that obvious of one of saying, like, there's no reason to take this on. It's not like a par five that you're going to, you know, cutting the corner and end up giving yourself a wedge in is just so freaking reckless that I just was one of the most bizarre plays I can remember seeing a a tour player make in a crucial situate not in a crucial situation yet but every shot is

crucial in the final round when you're that close to the lead. If you're if you're shipping it, if you're you know playing in the morning and you're off early on Sunday and you got nothing really to play for and you want to like sure that's whatever but anyways that's that's just was that one stuck out to me and I could not quite really understand it. Yeah, and I'm not sure if he was trying to force the issue. Like he made par on the first five holes. One of those is a par five. Obviously, he knew that with preferred lies,

it was going to be, it was going to take another low one to win the title. And maybe you just try to push a little bit. Like I'm talking about, the reward was not there. It is a very narrow sliver of fairway that if you carry the creek that you're going to have and maybe then you can have a straightforward look with a wedge like he's not a great wedge player. So I'm not sure why he was trying to put himself in that position anyway. And so I'm I'm not really sure I was looking to see if there's any post-round comments from them. It doesn't and it doesn't look like there were, which is disappointing, but yeah, that

was a little bit of a curious one. And to the fact that those three vets, like all knew that there was a terrible decision, it's been to believe that that was indeed a terrible decision. Right. One guy that I'm sure you've covered a lot, you know, in his college days and in his amateur days. And I thought we were going to have kind of a made storyline for us on the day that they're crowning a USAM champ.

Former USAM champ, Doc Redman, made a great run at it. Again, another guy that we don't track week to week, don't follow week to week, but holy crap, can that guy drive the golf ball? He missed seven fairways all week this week. He led the field in Strokes game off the tee and Strokes game tee to green and had two putts today that I was convinced that we're falling in the middle of the hole that just wobbled off in random directions

that kept him from making a extremely serious run at this. And Miss the close one on 18 as well, but what do you make of what we saw from Doc Redmond this week? And is he, I guess, what do you project for him going forward? He's a tough guy to predict, because he came out of nowhere and finished second last year in Detroit remember. Yeah

Was he answering exemption that week or Monday qualifier one of the two? It was a sponsor exemption and that's what he got special temporary membership on the tour from that and that's that's how he retained status for this for this next year as well Yeah, like he's he's obviously a very good player I thought he was really raw. I didn't I didn't think he was quite ready to come out of Clemson when he did. And then he of course almost proves me wrong by nearly winning last year in Detroit, but like he's got all the tools.

I just think he hasn't quite learned how to win yet. Like he hasn't learned how to win at every level. The USM I think really came out of, out of nowhere the way that he was playing that year and that seemed like Doug Gim's tournament to lose. And it was his to lose until the end and dock around that toward stretch at Riviera to steal it from them. But he's, you know, he's super inconsistent.

It seems like given a year, two, three years, I think you're looking at a solid top 50 player in the world. I don't think we're looking at a world beater. I think if you look over the history of the US amateur, I mean, it's kind of hit or miss who you're gonna get coming out of that group. That's perfect.

I was just looking to transition to ask you about amateur, how you project out amateur champs or people that do really well in the USM. Full warning to the listeners. We're recording this before the finals. They have 18 more holes to go at the USM. I made Ryan get on now because we got a teetime on the preserve tonight. We're going to be missing the USM final. But how do you, this has been an especially weird USM in terms of who is, I think I saw some stats out there

as the first time and who knows how long that no top fifty players in the world amateur golf rankings are in the we're in the even the semi finals am i a bad golf fan if i do not know really anything about any of the four guys that were uh... they were left in the u.s. am at bandin no i don't i don't blame it all because it has kind of been a weird week and think you had only two of the top 10 players in the world just make it out of stroke play qualifying. And so that's that's kind of what you get with

with Bannon. Obviously, you're there now. I've been there. Did I mention that? Yeah, I'm at Bannon. Yes. Okay. Just one. Just one's playing the preserve tonight. Yeah, I think that's a make sure you got that in and probably and probably a lot of the people listening to this have been to Bannon as well. And it's it's a magnificent place to to spend three or four days like it's it's awesome. I'm not sure you're necessarily going to crown the best player that week. I think that's kind of luck of the draw in terms of what you're going to hit with the wind and I think it was the quarter final day or the round of 16. I mean it was absolutely pump it like it was blowing 30 miles an hour. Yes, you're going to identify the guys who were hitting it square on the button

and could cut through that. But you're also just going to get some some weird balances and just some unpredictability and volatility. And that's, that's what you've had this week. And it'd been a Tyler Straface is a, is a fine player. He's, he won the North and South Amateur, the Summer, he won the Palmetto Amateur this summer. He won the North and South amateur this summer. He won the Palmetto amateur this summer. He comes from a great lineage of golfers in his family. I mean, his grandfather played in the masters in the US open back in the 40s, I think, 40s or 50s, I think it was.

And that's great. He's also not a world beater. He's maybe third best on George Tech's team. His opponent, Ali Osborne, is maybe third best on his own team. Now we're talking about really good programs, right? Like Georgia Tech and SMU, but these guys, they're nice players, but I don't think this is like a, a Bryson year

or a Victor Havlin here where you're looking at a guy and you can automatically point to him and say, that's special. You know, that guy's special. That makes a lot of sense. Do you, in the time that you've covered college golf and amateur golf, does the population or the pool of talent seem to be getting as deep as it appears to me who doesn't cover it nearly as closely? Oh, it's insane. Yeah. It's insane now. And so if you've got 300 plus people vying to be in the US Amateur, only one's going to emerge. Like, it's at the guest.

You would never be able to guess who's going to appear in the championship match. John Ogdenstein last year at Pinehurst, yeah, his match played record is outstanding. You never would have put Andy Ogle tree up against him. And then what happens, Andy Ogletree beats him. And so like you look at the round of 16 and to me that's really where I started paying attention to this. And you had a great mix of players like Michael Thorough, George Borenson, who's going to play at Stanford, they're just a junior player. You had Stuart Haggistad in there. You had Philip Barbery who played in U.S. opens before you had William Mao who was a great college player. The spectrum

runs so deep now that forecasting these types of things is impossible. But I think you can also make the case that it's really hard for these guys to separate each other because over 18-old match play really anything can happen, especially on a golf course like Bannon. Yeah, it's kind of calmed down a little bit out here at Bannon where I am currently. The winds calmed down the last couple days. The first few days, we went out and played and we got blown off the golf course. I know that kind of shined through pretty well in the coverage that I was able to watch, but I think that really firm conditions can help identify the best golfers. I think that, but when you combine how firm it is with this much wind, I think it becomes

a complete crapshoot. That's not to take anything at all away from the guys that have ended up there, but I think that's at least a contributing factor towards the semi-finals that we're seeing. To be honest, I didn't know who the big favorites really were coming into it. the limiting factor towards the semi-finals that we're seeing and some of the, to be honest, I didn't know who the big favorites really were coming into it. There wasn't any. The olden make it, it doesn't matter.

Right, like you said, there wasn't the guy that's jumping off the page. No, thank you. But. So I think that's also the state of college golf right now. We had this wave of just exceptional players. I would say over the past five to 10 years. And I'm not saying

you we've necessarily hit a lull right now. But the players that that we're looking at who are the best players at college golf. We're we're talking about John Pack who plays at FSU. We're talking about Davis Thompson who plays at Georgia. Kevin U it at Arizona State, Ricky Castillo plays it. He's going to be

playing it Florida. Like those are all really nice players. And they're probably going to make very, they're probably going to have very nice careers on the PJ tour. But no one's popping off the screen like a, like a Matt Wolf did or JT did. You know, I'm even surprised over the past couple of years. Some of the USA amateur winners who we saw in NCAA champions, who we saw, who haven't popped like maybe we thought we would at the time. Aaron Wise comes to mind, the 2016 NCAA winner, like you watch him play golf, it's super impressive. You think this guy's going to have double digit wins on a PGA tour. Now he's got one, but he hasn't been quite what we thought he was gonna be.

Yeah, Matt Fitzpatrick was one the am, he got Bryce. I mean, guys have done it, right? Like, guys have part-laid US-Anator's success into very nice careers. But then you also have the gun gangs, and you've got the Stephen Foxes and you've got the Richie Ramsey's in the Colton Ose. Kind of a hodgepodge, right? I'm not sure it's necessarily a great predictor of future success. That's the takeaway, I think, because I for a long time, I feel like I've tried to convince myself that if you win the USA, I'm going to be a great, a great tour pro for many, many years. And that's not, not always the case. It's a week of golf.

And obviously you got to have a great resume to get there. But not always the greatest predictor. But what did you think of how bandin is playing from what you could tell on TV? I know we talked some about the wind early on. But I think it's pretty amazing that they took it to this, the USAM, the tournament of this magnitude to this wild ass place.

But some people were chirping on Twitter. They didn't think it was a great championship golf course. What's your big takeaway from the USA? I'm abandoned. Oh, wow. No, I think I think band is absolutely perfect for the USA. I'm a try. I think it's a great match play golf course. I think we got to start by this 15th hole that happened in the semifinals. That was wild. Oh God. Yeah, we can, we can get into that. But like just to just to answer your question real quick, like I thought it's been great. I think it's been the perfect one for playing in a pandemic in terms of kind of being in the middle of nowhere. There's so much wide open space that you can separate yourselves. The USJ is done an incredible job of hosting 300 plus players this week and and and the guests and caddies and

and having it all it all worked fine by creating a little bubble out there. I think they should be commended. They've done some things wrong over the past with in terms of US open setups, but they absolutely have to be commended for being able to pull this off in a pandemic, even though you didn't have qualifying.

And so, Bannon as a golf course, I think it probably maxes out at a US amateur, right, I don't think you can stage anything any champion to greater than this just because of the infrastructure and a lot of the golf course to be absolutely impossible to to put up grandstands and have thousands of fans there. But I'd love to see it again. I'd love to see it every 10 years. I know they've got a stout rotation coming up, but I think it should be a fixture in that kind of road. I think having primetime golf on the East Coast is also a huge win. I think it's been an absolute home run.

Whoever says that this has not been a great championship, I don't think has been paying attention. Right. Now I probably am looking in the wrong places as I usually do. Yeah, don't be looking at the crazy people in dimensions. Well, so you mentioned it being a great match by golf course. And that's where it really hit me. I've always wanted to see competition at Bandit for a long time.

But I do wonder how great of a stroke play. Golf course, it would be. It's not what it's designed for. I don't think it's not a place where you go out and grind on every single shot. I mean, for Resort Play, I don't know how to explain what I'm saying there, is it lures you into taking daring shots. I've got 16th hole is incredible for Match Play because if it's stroke play, guys are

probably playing that so conservatively, but it is a great course to take big swings. They did a great job on the coverage last night. On Saturday, just talking about how you're truly playing a match against the other player instead of playing tournament style golf. And the 15th hole was, there's a short part three. It's not a long part three. It's about 195.

That's not short, but it's not the link that makes it really hard. And the best score that any of the four semi-finalists made on that whole was a double bogey. And I forget who, one guy, I think Gupta wanted with a double bogey on the 15th hole because he's got to be making such a mess out of it. In Gupta, like almost threw it away himself. Like the door was wide open.

And then he, I think he tried it, yeah, he tried to hit like this feathery little pitch shot and just like didn't even come close to carrying over the ridge. And so roll back to his feet. But yeah, they made two, they made one double and three triples. Who have their ears at three doubles and a triple. Three doubles and a triple is what it was. Three doubles and a triple.

I mean, that's horrible. There's absolutely horrible. But I'm totally in agreement with you. Like, I'm not sure I'd necessarily want to see a 72 whole stroke play championship abandoned. I think the luck of the draw in terms of when you're going to hit, because you know you're going to get 30 mile per hour, when's it some point during the day. I think if guys are complaining about it, the British open, like, wait till you come to band and get that luck of the draw between the morning and late waivers. And so I think it's a great golf course. I've loved how aggressive guys have been.

You haven't seen a whole lot of conservative play. I think that's a sign of a great golf course, certainly, but also the format where if you are gonna make a triple on a part three, that it's not gonna necessarily haunt you. But I've been a big fan of having it. I really have. I think it's been a great test. Well, what's amazed me is when you have true uninterrupted

coverage with which golf channels had this year is how much of a shot I have. Of course. How much, a lot of people are mad about the hours of coverage that the golf channel's been on. It's the same as Fox was last year. I know Fox had a couple hours of online coverage, but a lot of people have been very upset

about this over the course this week. I wanna say, I'm also not privy to these discussions, but the fact that Golf Channel and Sasha NBC has been able to take this over from Fox. Exactly, like a month and a half ago, and put on the presentation, kind of deserves to be applauded

if you're thinking clearly. And how it's all works with other stuff that are already scheduled, already scheduled programming, right? I mean, there's champions to our events. There's LPGA. They've got a lot of other live golf that needs to be shown. And there's only so many equipment trucks and all that stuff.

And I don't, I don't put any into how all that works. But the coverage has been, I think it's been, the commentary has just been great. Like you can stick with the drama of these matches when you don't have to take a commercial break every five minutes and whatnot. And you talk about all these match play factors, bones and Justin Leonard going back and forth,

it's been excellent feeling. Bones has been a star. Right. Bones has been an absolute star walking with these matches. And so it's so expansive that I've seen him like right up in there in the fairway. Like he looks like he's

10 feet from the players describing it like I'm I was thinking to myself aren't thinking to hear what he's talking about here like he is really close to I've seen him like walking on the greens like getting a good read like he's like he's basically a caddy again like he's so close to the action I think he's been I think he's been a star in his expertise shines in a place where you can play a simple pitch shot for different ways. And so to hear him and have his decades of knowledge has been, I think, just invaluable as a viewer to be able to hear that. Yeah. It's so spot on too, just in all of the elements you got to think about on some

of these pitch shots are truly impossible. You are playing to like the center of the green from a green side pitch. And I feel like a lot of these guys are not used to that. They are very uncomfortable in that scenario. And we see them hit like that shot. They goop to hit from over. All you had to do was hit the center of the green. What's his name had already made a mess of the whole.

All you had to do was pitch it up onto the green. He couldn't even do it. And I'm screaming at the TV like, this is why it is really good to watch the best players in the world hit shots off short grass around the greens, because it adds an entirely different element to the game. Yeah, you had such an interesting dynamic, yes, Shay,

because those four, they've never been in this position before. Like it's by far the biggest stage that they've ever been on. Then you throw in the consolation prize, where if just by making it to the championship match, these guys are gonna be exempted into the masters in the US Open, which is a lifelong dream for all of these guys.

And then you throw in the fact that they mostly only know how to hit 60 degree wedges, and they're hitting off band and super tight lies. Like you throw all of those variables in there, and to me, there was some train wrecks obviously over the last hour, but I couldn't take my eyes off it. Like it was so good, just knowing all that was hanging on these pitch shots. There was, there was some great moments, but there was also some train wrecks. And to me, I think that's, that's fun to watch sometimes too.

Well, I'm sure hopefully nothing too dramatic, two, two parts. I hope some dramatic happen for entertainment viewing. And I hope it's not too dramatic two two parts. I hope some dramatic's happened for entertainment viewing and I hope it's not too dramatic that we sound like idiots having not talked about it because we are recording this as they yeah, I want I want there to be like a casual four and three win. I don't care. I don't care who does it. I just want. Yeah, I want there to be like no rules controversies like there was in around

the 16. That is just like someone just someone cruised to four and three. What happened in that match? We were watching this on TV with no sound. And we like, so take us through the scenario of what match this was and what happened on the 18th hole in the round of 16. All right, so it's round of 16.

It's with Tyler Straface, who was playing the championship match. I'm looking up and watching it right now. And he was playing against Segundo Olivo Pinto, who's going to be starting at Arkansas this fall. And so the 18th pole of Bannon-Dunes is a par-five, right? And so they both hit their third shots and they're short of the green.

And so Olivo Pinto, he's drawn kind of like a, it's clearly like a newly rake spot In the greenside bunker and so he's kind of eyeing up his shot think about what he wants to do He obviously needs to get it close in order to extend the master all tie at this point and all of a sudden His his local caddy just like wanders in there and just starts brushing brushing the the sand like testing the surface He wasn't anywhere near where the ball was in fact it, it almost looked like he was on the down slope. First of all, if you're a local caddy, why would you need to test the surface of the sand?

Shouldn't you be familiar with, with the way like the sand reacts? Second of all, if you're gonna test a spot to see how much sand is in there, why wouldn't you test like closer to the ball and not on the down slope where there's clearly going to be less. And third, have you never played golf before?

Like do you know that you, do you know that you can't do that? And so those were all questions that were all swirling in my mind. And then it was what the hell are you doing? Because then he goes to rules official and then lies that he did it. That was the worst part. Over and over. He denied that he was doing it. And Tyler Stifacchi's dad, and we can do a whole podcast on Tallah's Trophotch's father, who was super intense and aggressive.

Like he called it out immediately, like, no, you blatantly cheated. You blatantly tested the surface of the sand. That's a loss of pull. And unfortunately for this, it's a loss of match. But like the fact of the local caddy denied it to me was such a tough look because it was obvious what he was doing. There was slow motion, high definition video that captured him doing so and for him to deny it was mind-boggling to me. Yeah, it just, it looked so blatant and intentional that it was, that's just what made it so curious. I'm looking up at the screen right now as Trophachi has hit the shot that we we want to see guys have to deal with which is the centerline bunker on the fifth hole he hits it right at the bunker and it just it just rolled up into it

in a terrible spot like you got this course makes you decide on certain lines and stuff that you want to take and that's really entertaining to watch the pros that not the pros but the best players do and that's really entertaining to watch the pros, not the pros, but the best players do. It just looked like you was trying to lose the match form, almost, and I'm sure that's not necessarily the case, but it was so blatant and so weird, and I just couldn't believe, and was super impressed with how well

Saguindo Liva Pinto handled that afterward. He took a post of a picture on Instagram or whatever it was saying, this could have happened to anyone, no hard feeling. No one's fault. And if I lost a match at the USAM on the 70s, I guess on the 18th hole, because of that, I would have a hard time accepting that as well as he did. Yeah, like he was super gracious and classy and defeat. I thought Tallah's Trophachi, actually, his opponent handled it really well.

He first thing out of his mouth was that he didn't want to win like that. He feels terrible. He was kind of shaken up afterward. I thought I was super curious that there was people on social media like, yes, I totally agree. We should not be barbecuing and skewering this local caddy who from all accounts, It was like his first year cadding abandoned and

You know obviously he didn't think he was gonna find himself a mill of a rules controversy But he also signed up for this and so there's there was a there's some segment of the population That was mad that we've imprinted his name, which is odd to me because if if you were a low if you're a local caddy And you didn't want to be a part of this, you would go caddy for Chris Salman. Over and over and she pranced. Like he literally signed up for this. And so he's a he's fair game.

And then be I saw some support like, oh, next time I met Bannon, I want to, I want to make sure that this guy's on my bag. I don't want a guy who want to make sure that this guy is on my bag. I don't Want a guy who's that an experience that he thinks he can test the bunker on the 18th of a championship match and think that that's Fine like give me the guy who's been there 10 15 years Over the inexperienced guy who's got his hat who's got his hat turned on backwards. Yeah, that was what is tough is the catty

Every catty I've ever had here has been just phenomenal and truly. Oh, they were amazing. They're, they're, they're arguably the most experienced caddies in the country. And for this guy, I mean, it certainly just, it looks poorly for the entire group, to be honest with you. Because I think it can be hit or miss on caddies,

like whether or not you get some, but there's a lot of, I feel like you get a lot of big egos sometimes with caddies, even at resorts, and that they're, you know, used to knowing more about the course than the players do, which is, of course, to be expected, but I've never felt that abandoned. I feel like they're just all there. Everyone abandoned this, there to, you know,

tell you are kind of add to your experience overall. And so I think I haven't really talked to caddies about that here, but I have to feel like they have to be just so frustrated that that's the image of band and caddies that gets portrayed on the world because I don't think that is necessarily the reality. But that was just, that was a extremely bizarre way to end a match, but I feel like it's always something. What's the buzz on the ground there? I mean, are people shook by how that went down? Yeah, I mean, I think it was kind of like, everyone I've talked to there's just like, oh my god, I can't believe that. I cannot believe that happened. I think it was pretty much everyone said, like, oh, you know, he's a good guy. blah, blah, blah. But yeah, it's, again, it's kind of like SeaWoo's driver. It's like, I don't understand the thought process

that went into that. I'd like to hear, I don't know if there's any comments out there from the caddy on what he was thinking there. but before we let you go, how much of the ladies Scottish Open were you able to catch this morning or this weekend? I watched a good bit. I walked my 20-month-old around the neighborhood this morning, and then after I'd sweated through a shirt and he was just soaking wet. I decided it was time to come in and watch some ladies Scottish Open. So I watched a decent bit of it. mop, it was just soaking wet. I decided it was time to come in and watch some lady Scottish opens. I watched a decent bit of it. I thought it was a really good win by Stacey Lewis, especially considering how dreadfully slow her playing partners were.

Yeah. I feel like I heard a lot of chatter on that. I watched the last hole of the playoff. But what was the, I feel like that was a major topic of discussion is the slow play in that. Was it in the playoff or was it in the final group or in no the oh my god the entire day actually was it was kind of the entire weekend and Stacy Lewis to her credit just she does not suffer fools well and so like after her after her third round she was asked about it and she called she called the dreadfully slow and she even described her two playing

partners which was Azahara Munoz and Jennifer Song, as pretty slow. She knew that she was going to be playing with them in the fun around and she still called them pretty slow and apparently they didn't get the message because they were even worse. They were, they were hovering around the league the entire day and they just ground to an absolute halt. And so, Stakes Lewis was, was really frustrated. You could see the annoyance written all over and into her credit. She said, she said afterward that she told her caddy on the second hole.

She wasn't kind of complain and she was like singing songs in her head to just kind of take her mind off it. And just if you stop for a minute to think about the ridiculousness of that, Stacey Lewis is now one 13 times in the LPGA. She has to sing songs in her head to pass the time knowing how slow it is going to be in the final group and also knowing that the LPGA rules officials are going to do nothing to crack down on it. So I think that was the most frustrating part and she pulled off a great shot in the playoff. Hold on about, hold a 20 footer on a first extra hole, the beat three other players.

And I got to tip my cap to her because in the press conference asher, she used that platform to agitate for change and called on the LPGA to get tougher on slow pokes on tour and say we're going in the wrong direction. And that's something needs to be done about it. So I thought, I thought it was certainly a gutsy win for her. It was her first win in three years, first since becoming a mom. And it's also good to be done about it. So I thought I thought I was certainly a gutsy win for her It was a first win in three years first since becoming a mom

And it's also good to have her voice back in the game because she can she can make things happen She's got a track record of it and and she's gonna keep talking until something gets done Yeah, I hated that was the the takeaway I guess from from today was And absolutely yeah, unfortunately, yeah Unfortunately, but I if you I guess if she is going to call that out in the post, you know, round interview, then it's probably is going to become a decent, decent, size story. But it was, I mean, first of all, Danielle Kang, almost won three events in a row, which is absolutely nuts.

Her combat, she won the first two events and CLPJ came, started back up and missed the playoff by one this time around. But it's great to see, it's really amazing to me that they're having the Lady Scottish Open and that all the players are able to get there safely and that this has been able to happen. And they're having the Rico Women's British Open this upcoming week at World Trune, which should be a great viewing experience for people back in the States. And morning coffee golf, if you want to watch some golf in Scotland watching these women play golf on these golf courses is

extremely extremely entertaining and I think some somehow even more fun than watching them in play on links golf. It certainly feels more more relatable does yes. All right who's your pick to win the USAM we're going to do it now they're all square with looks like 12 holes to play, something like that. And you're going to be can't it. We can you can say it twice and we can edit in the right answer

if you want if you prefer that. All right, I'm going to go with I'm going to go with Ali Osborne. OK, before last year and any Ogletree's stirring stirring rally to surprise John Auguste at the end. The last five winners have all led after the morning 18. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go with history with Ali Osborne, who, as we've mentioned, was maybe the third best player on SMU's team. What was, so you said we could talk about Straffacci's dad.

What was the, I've missed the storyline here admittedly. What's there, what's there to talk about there? All right, so how is Shifacha? Is that he was the one who called out the rules and fraction. So it started in the round of 16. He was the one who noticed the local caddy sifting through the sand and immediately called it out and said that he was cheating.

And then that should be a loss of whole and loss of match. So he was the one to point it out there. And then over these last couple of days, like he's, he's right in there. I made a comment yesterday, like he looks like he wants to snatch Tyler's club from him and hit the shots himself. He was a, he was a accomplished player himself.

He's played in the USA amateur before. He's really intense. He's, he's pumping his fist. He's giving reads. He's, he's all up in the club selection. And I captured a screen girl I'm yesterday like, he's maybe five feet away just glaring intently at his son, just willing him to hit it with intent feet on every single fold. Like, he's just, he's living and dying with every single shot that's how the Shafaji hits.

It's very intense and very aggressive. It sounds a little bit look at me if I'm saying so. They just showed a clip of him opening up his caddy vest to show the Augusto or the master's logo, which I'm assuming that was from yesterday after they had officially made it. Once you make the finals, you're in the next year's master's. So yeah, it seems to. Yeah, I mean, there's some serious, yeah, there's some serious little league dad vibes. Yes, going out with Tosca Faggi just had a national championship level for golf. It sounds like it based on what you're saying. So all right, Laf, thank you for subbing in here on a Sunday. We really appreciate your time and perspective. We'll let you get to

watching the rest of this match and I'm gonna go play some golf some some more golf at Bandon, which I am currently located at. As you've now said for this Sunday. I couldn't remember if I said that earlier or not, so, but yes, signing off here from Bandon. Thank you, Mr. Lavner and we'll chat soon. All right, thanks for having me there. It's gonna be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most. Expect anything different.