No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 35: D.J. Piehowski from Skratch TV

Episode Date: May 1, 2016

D.J. Piehowski from Skratch TV joins Soly to console him on the disaster that was the 2016 Masters, as well as talk about his role with Skratch TV. They went DEEP about Spieth, fame, takes, the Ryder Cup,... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 35: D.J. Piehowski from Skratch TV appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to a melancholy version of the No-Lang Up podcast. We recording this on Tuesday, April 12th, and in an extra day to recover. But we are going to welcome for the first time the director of content from the PGA Tours scratch TV Mr. DJ Pihalski.

DJ how are you recovering from your master's hangover? Slowly I think but I'm getting there. I'm at probably 80% today I think. Judging by the tweets I don't think I was taking it quite as hard as you were but it was pretty pretty pretty pretty somber mood around here for sure So I got a lot of emails and stuff to catch up on so I'm looking forward to just kind of letting you talk for And I'll just kind of if you need something just let me know you're here to listen You're here to listen to go. I'm getting messages from friends like dude. What is wrong with you?

Like it's just a golf tournament. You know that right? Dude, what is wrong with you? Like, it's just a golf tournament, you know that, right? Some of it, I mean, some of it has to be like, performance art at some point, I'm sure. But then the danger is, you know, you don't know where the performance artist comes in, which is his own identity. And I think that's probably what's happening

with you a little bit. Well, we'll get into the masters. We'll get into that. I'm gonna fear that we're gonna get spiraled down a dark and frightening road when we get into that. But first I want to talk to you a bit about, I want to give you a little bit of background. It's not everyone listening to podcasts, maybe knows who you are and what you're doing with scratch TV, what your route was from the PGA tour to get to where you

are currently. Yeah, perfect. I find it hard to believe that not everybody knows who. That's true. I don't know if that was disrespectful statement I just made. Everybody on this podcast hates me already, by the way, after 30 seconds. So yeah, so I joined the tour about four years ago or so, maybe a little more, basically taking over

kind of all of our social media efforts for the last three and a half, four years. If you've seen any PJ tour stuff on social media that's largely been either created by me or driven by me and our team here. That's how I joined the tour and what I've been doing for the last couple years, which has been awesome and I love me to go to a ton of very cool places. It was perfect timing as social media was taking off and as you know, joining the tour at the

right time and it's been really like a perfect time to be in a perfect place. So it's been great. And then with Scratch, that is a super new development. So what's kind of happened over there over the last, you know last month or so basically is the tours looking to refine the voice of scratch and figure out exactly what it is we launched it about a year ago, maybe a little more. And as basically kind of something, someone like yourself and your readers hopefully can appreciate is something to kind of find the fun side of golf and not take things quite so seriously all the time.

I know we're going to take things extraordinarily seriously today. I'm offended by that statement by the way, but continue. Outside of that, yeah, I highlight more of the fun things about golf. Also the fun things about golf outside the PJ Tour. Kind of be a little bit more reflective of the normal golf fan rather than the hardest of hardcore PJ Tour fans. What do you have any examples of what I guess you've been working on or anything that we can expect to see from scratch TV in the near future. Yeah, I think one thing that's probably the thing I'm most excited about is this show, it's kind of weird, you know, a digital show I guess, but a series that we're calling Adventures in Golf, which will be hosted by Eric Anders Lang, who's a guy that somebody might have seen on the coverage at Waste Management.

We did the thing with Go Pro and Scratch at 16th hole on Wednesday, the Pro Amp show. I know you watched. Eric was there doing some kind of sideline reporting for the first time ever. That was the first time he'd ever done anything live. But outside of life stuff, he's a fantastic storyteller and host and cameraman and kind of do it all. And so we came to him with this idea of like, you know, what, if you had a golf TV show, what would you do? And he basically said, well, I would travel around the world and show that golf is different everywhere you go, but it's, you know,

as different as it is, it's the same kind of core principle. So what he shot was this, it's like seven or eight episode series called Adventures and Golf, that's going to be coming up, we're kind of figuring out the release plan for it, it's all shot and edited and kind of ready to go, but he went to Mumbai and Dubai and even a course in Compton, a part three course in Compton and Portland and all over to basically shoot these. Here's what golf means to these people and the result is awesome. I can't wait for people to see it. It's going to be rude.

I was not expecting Compton to be thrown into that. Just put some stamps in that passport and just drop in Compton like it was nothing there. Yeah, I mean, if the hip-hop game is top of anything, that's kind of just a place to be. It's kind of a place everyone's got to check out. Have you seen straight out of Compton, by the way? I haven't, I probably should. It was, so I'm not a big movie guy at all,

a buddy of mine. He's like, I watched that movie, and it is awesome. And his wife was like, it was one of the most amazing movies I've ever seen. And I'm like, okay, I mean, how good can this really be? I watch it on a plane, and like, with people sitting next to me, and I, have I threw it, I stopped caring. I was like, I was like bouncing my head along with the movie. I was wrapping the words that I knew, like, I didn't even care if anyone could see me. It was like bouncing my head along with the movie. I was wrapping the words that I knew.

I didn't even care if anyone could see me. It was an incredible movie. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen. So you're gonna have to see that one. I have heard nothing but spectacular things about it. It's supposed to be great. I gotta check it out. Okay, well, we're transition from that moment.

So what exactly is your role and how different is it from what you've done with the PJ tour so far? Yeah, I think what's kind of interesting about it is, so my role is director of content. And so basically kind of, concepting and executing and kind of getting some of these things off the ground, working with the team, which is largely based in New York, which is fun too. It's kind of a different vibe than being in Ponovicra Beach all day, every day. So, which is where I'm based now. But the difference, I guess, like what's kind of interesting about it is, I think if you

follow the tours, social media channels, you've seen things over the last couple of years, probably get a little, you know, not necessarily edgy as the right word, but just kind of pushing things into a different place than they have been, you know, the years prior to that. And so I think what's kind of interesting is basically figuring out and navigating, like, what is a PGA tour thing, what is a scratch thing and and kind of working through all of that with our team here Which is eager to you know push the envelope as much as they possibly can as well And so I think it's it's all you know good things moving in the right direction It's just kind of figuring out like the different lanes that that these things are gonna live in which is

Which is awesome. It's it's really fun project to work out. I know it's only been a month or so, but I think things are... I think you're going to see a lot of really cool things, hopefully, really quickly. So, yeah, it's exciting. That's good. I think there's... I think I've made it clear that there's a lot of opportunity in that space within the Gulf world, and it's good to see the PJ Tours seizing that, and I'm guessing it's probably pretty nice for you to feel like you have this creativity and opportunity to really express. I mean, I've seen some, I feel like Scratch is the idea of it is I was very much on board

right from the get go. And some of the things I've seen have been fantastic. And the thing that always sticks out in my mind is the film, I don't know if it was released Monday or Tuesday right after the players championship last year. The film that, and I don't know who shot it, the guy had of Ricky walking through the tunnel at some point during the players championship and it was just Ricky on the camera, but you could hear the fans from outside, just chanting his name, as he made this unbelievable

move. It might have been after he won, you probably know better than I do, but I just remember being like, okay, if that's what scratch is gonna be, then this is gonna be fantastic. Like this behind the scenes look into, I guess inside the ropes,

but with just a different perspective than presenting a narrative or whatever on TV. So I think this guy really is the limit for this kind of thing. Yeah, I think so too. And, you know, if you do like that, then we've got a great Ricky Fallon piece we can talk about later in the show here. But we're that video, we'll make it a parent. But yeah, I think it's exactly that. It's basically figuring out, you know, what, like I say, what, you know, one of the things the tour does really well, and the tour are the necessary things that we need to do every week to serve our fans in the way that we always have, and we'll

continue to do. And what are some new ways that we can push the envelope? And I think that Scratch is a cool, it almost feels to me like an innovation lab kind of. It's a place to try new things, test out different things and kind of see what sticks and hopefully use that to kind of inform some of the decision making going forward. So that's how I see it. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. Well, congratulations on the new role.

Now I'm going to try to do the best I can to get you fired from that role because we're ready to talk about what we just witnessed last week at the Masters. We got a lot of good questions related to it. Well, I'll get to those a little bit later, but I want to hear, it's almost like a talk about question, but like, I want to hear, all right, we'll start with this. What's the worst take you've seen since Sunday, since Sunday at the Masters? The worst take. This is like, I'll give you two. This is unrelated to Jordan, but I think that if you go on Skip Baylis's Twitter account, I think Tron was texting me actually

about like some of the things he was sending out that was basically just kind of not like general nonsense about like he was super fired up about the massage but like it didn't make any sense what he was trying to say. So that just from like a functionality like I don't actually understand your tank, probably the worst tank I saw. But from an actual, like, just the hottest of hot takes, I know we were kind of texted about it earlier, but the will-each thing about, you know, basically kind of overstating what pressers mean and dragging Jordan into the

kind of into the whole Cam Newton thing that that was. It was like, muscles were pulled with that string and reaching for that take. Like, that was so ridiculous. It was something like it would come from PFT commenter. That's an exact take you would expect to hear from him. Which I think he wrote about it. Yeah, it was weird that it was like... A serious take though, like Mark Slareth,

like seriously tweeted that, like Cam Newton could learn a lot from Jordan's speed about losing in grace or whatever. Yeah, totally, and I don't want to single out Will Leach's piece because I think there was a lot of like really good stuff in there about, you know, how we treat press conferences, and I think he was largely right about a lot of it. But yeah, adding Jordan to the mix just didn't make a lot of sense because of,

I forget who said it earlier today, we were kind of texting about it, but like, like I actually learned a ton from what Jordan said afterwards. He was actually like, he's always been super thoughtful and honest. And like, I've actually learned more from his pressors than anyone. So yeah, introducing him into the chaos that is like NFL takes, I thought was with his a little too much.

That's what you're gonna get though for the Masters. Guys are dropping in from other sports to watch Sunday at the Masters, and they're going to try to make parallels to the sports that they know a lot better than golf. But I mean, it was tough to just try to take all that in at once. I felt like, and you know I talked about this before as well, and I tried to write something on Sunday morning about it. I wrote it for SB Nation just about.

I felt like the tide was kind of turning against speed from a fans perspective in that people were critical of his pace of play and really started to take notice of his whining and I kind of chalked it up to him being a lot more, we're a lot more exposed to him now. That maybe some people are just getting kind of, a little bit, maybe a little bit tired of some of his antics or maybe, I don't know, him seemingly being very whining. But I thought his, I mean his pace of play was obviously not fast. I'm not saying that and if I was to give this what I would call the Bubba test and that if Bubba did the same thing, would I be all over him? And I'm giving speed to pass on it.

Probably I'm willing to concede that I may not be the most objective on it. But I just thought too much was made out of, this is our biggest tournament of the year. The speed of which those greens were at, with the win they were considering, you can't play fast. And everyone's saying, when speed is paired with Rory, it's like, well, you know, Speed's the one holding

them back. He's the one that's, you know, the reason why there are two holes behind. First of all, they weren't two holes behind. That's all that's all made up. But Rory, not, I'm not saying Rory rushed his way through his round, but he didn't take his time the way Speed did. And I think that there's a reason why Speed was so, uh, I get a bit uneasy at times is that he just wasn't that confident in his game He was he blitzed the field on Thursday, but ever since then he was not the same guy He made a lot of birdies, but he made so many mistakes that cost him So I think there was a some method to the madness of you know him taking his time and that like what you just said

though something we learned in his press conference afterwards is he said he rushed the shot on 12 you try to get it over with try to get over too quickly and it cost him the masters. Yeah, not exactly and I think that you're I'm glad you brought it up but I loved reading your espionation thing on I think I remember what Saturday morning or Sunday morning but I was thinking a lot of exactly what you just said. And first of all, nobody backs off a pot because it's part of their pre-shot routine or something. Like something... Sure, sure. Yeah, maybe, okay, that's one example.

But something's obviously going through his head that he needs to sort out. And I just think so much of this is like is just context being stripped out and luckily there's very smart people like us. What's this in the context? We've been there before, we know. Yeah, exactly. Just a couple people who are really to give their time to talk about their experiences. No, but I think you lose the context of how much more difficult the golf course was

playing than any other time Jordan's feet There's ever seen it like you know He's he's trying to figure out all this stuff in his head as he's going along and the other piece of context that I think it's stripped out is Probably how much TV coverage has changed over the last couple years and like that was one thing I really noticed at The match play actually when when everyone's kind of ripping on Jason Day. And of course, yes, Jason Day is not a fast player, of course. But I think that it just gets highlighted when he's

the only player on the course. And TV has nothing else to show. Yeah. So it's like, he's not playing slowly this week. You've never been to a tournament to go see it, you know, like this is what it's like. And so yeah, it's just a different view of it and a different kind of, I don't know, like you said, you get, masters week is when you get some of the viewers who don't have

all of this context and I think that's where some of these takes are born out of. Yeah. The other thing I will say just kind of reiterating your point about about some of the tide turning a little bit, I think you nailed it with your LeBron example that like everyone, everyone loves the ride up and discovering the next big star and watching him get his first couple wins and then once you reach that, no matter what Jordan does for the rest of his career, I imagine it's not going to be too much better than what it was last year. I mean, that's about as peak as you can possibly get.

So once you reach the mountain top, it's kind of looking around. All right, well, we've seen this before like, let's start picking it apart. And yeah, it just, it gets so just ugly from there. I don't really know how to change it. I think that's just sports. Yeah, that's the nature of sports. I just think it, yeah, it's, it's to a, to a degree, it's overexposure. And I mean, you can, I don't know, if you get that exposed to anyone,

you're going to find things you don't like about them. I'm not saying everyone has to like speed. I dislike guys for some of the same reasons that people dislike speed, so it just, I can understand it from that perspective. What I don't understand is why you care if you're watching the masters. First of all, the television coverage didn't do him any justice because they showed his entire way through the pre-shot routine, right? Whereas, you know, they're cutting to other groups, they're either showing it on tape delay, most likely because it's CVS, or they're cutting in right before the shot,

then, you know, they're not showing a pre-shot routine. I'm not saying he's the only, you know, that everyone out there was as slow as him, what not, but I just don't get why people cared, you know, in this the greatest tournament, the greatest weekend of the year, what's your rush for this to be over? You're not on the course, the pace of play doesn't affect you, like unless your take is that speed slow play caused Roy to not have a birdie on Saturday,

which again, you're gonna over stretch yourself making that take. But I mean, I just don't get why that's a why that's a focus point and like why like some journalists were tweet like the 16th hole after he hit that shot to eight feet or whatever a journalist I won't name tweeted like an update as to where the group in front of them was and said like with an exclamation point that there should be a slowplay penalty a slowplay penalty in the final three holes of the biggest tournament of the year. That was his take.

Like, God, it just... Ah, there's so many things that I have not recovered from some day. That was, and I don't want to change topics, but related to that, I think it was Dylan Mays, on Twitter was, he fired it up at the perfect time. But basically his sarcastic take was like, man, you know what the only thing this tournament is missing? 50 more yards on 13. Like, that is in the same vein to me that like, come on, man, like just put the snark aside and everything and just like, let's just focus on what's going on

Yeah, so the thing I want to throw at you because I've been thinking about it really since like this kind of narrative started popping up is like nobody nobody felt this way about Tiger Did they are am I not remembering or was Twitter not around or what was going on because like to me Watching Tiger between shots is the most fascinating part like was Twitter not around or what was going on because like to me watching Tiger between shots is the most fascinating part like oh he's not a fast player like I'm watching all day line up a pot and like that's that's like what builds all the drama to me and golf is like you know you have these golf shots that take 10 seconds but the four hours around it is just, you know, just there to build up the drama

basically. And I feel the same way about Jordan watching him, you know, whether it's talking to Griller or it's lining up a putt or it's backing off or whatever, like, that's fine with me. Like, do what you got to do, man. Like, that just makes it better for me. It was out of character, though, you know, I've never, maybe I've just never noticed it, but I've never seen him be like that. And to me, I'm not saying that was nerves, I'm saying that was him, it seemed like he was just not fully comfortable with his long game. And given those conditions,

he just took him forever to get comfortable and fully committed over a shot. So it wasn't to me like watching Tiger's talk a putt, whereas if you watch Tiger do that, he is entirely on his own. He doesn't talk to his caddy, and he looks like he's in complete control of the situation, right? He never doesn't, he does not look nervous,

he's not, you know, backing off a shot. If he is, it's because I've a camera went off or whatever, so I don't necessarily, I don't think that's the best comparison because, uh, I don't know, Tiger just always felt like in control of the situation, whereas Speed did just seem like he was doing all he could to hold it together and for 63 holes he did. Um, but let me ask you this, how much, what would the odds have had to, had to be for you to have bet against Speed with that five shot lead when he made the turn after nine?, what would the odds have had to be for you to have bet against

speed with that five shot lead when he made the turn after nine? Like what would the, the plus have to be on the, on the field side for you to have bet on him? God, I don't know. Like I'm trying to put this in the context. Like I think I did a pretty good job of illustrating my feelings when I tweeted a picture of a creature that was half-tource, half-jordan's speech. It's that this tournament's about to get super boring. So, I guess, like, plus my reputation, I suppose, is like, I don't know. That's the thing that's so wild about it to me is I've been thinking about it a lot

the last couple days that when you start talking like historic collapses and putting like labels on it like that and stuff, everybody points to 96 as Norman was up to 6 with 18 to play and that seems about as bad as it can get until you hear I mean five shots with nine to play is Sounds so much worse. Yeah until like I was kind of thinking about it on the on the right end today and like I Don't know. I guess it's just the nature of like how how fast things can change because what did he did he play to under from then on out? After 12 you do yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, I guess like I don't know. It's's just hard and he still lost by three right so like it it's weird when you think about you know he made a quad he made a quad on 12 and I guess you just kind of throw

a 10-11 as part of the the crumble a little bit but I mean even still like those are you know four and a half par hole you know I mean, even still, like those are, you know, four and a half par-hole. You know, I mean, so like, bogies there are not that bad and don't hurt you that much, but yeah, it's just mind-blowing to me. Like, it's hard to, it's hard to kind of, it's hard to like, fathom it, I guess, that, you know, how big the collapse seems and also how how quickly things can change. Well, if that makes sense. Yeah, get this. Danny Willett played the par-fives in even for the week. So, God, speed play, speed play them in 11 under. Oh my gosh. 11 shots on the par-fives. It's blowing. That's what I've got to do. You've got to invest that I've heard how we...

Here, I might have to tweet that then if you think it was that good. But here's what issue I guess I have with. I mean, what I'm willing to say what happened was a collapse and a choke. And that takes a lot for me to say that. But what we just saw, that was a choke. I mean, that is so out of character for speed to hit those two balls in the water.

To chunk that ball, you can't describe that any other way. I've never seen him hit a shot like that in his entire life. But what you forget, and I'm not saying this was that difficult for him, and not that, you know, that it was, that this was a challenging thing, but he needed to shoot 37 on the back to win it. I mean, will it, he had a five shot lead, but it's not like Will it was in the clubhouse. It's not like he, you know,

is, he just has to nurse this five shot lead for the rest of the round. It disappeared in three holes, but he, you know, Will it gained three of those shots back? Granted, spieth gave, you know, five of them back as well on top of it, but Will it partially ran him down? Even if he didn't hit the second ball in the water the way it played out, he still would have lost. Obviously, I think things play out a little differently for him, the next sequential holes. But where do you stand on how damaging you think this is for somebody like Spieth.

Yeah, I think what really quickly I want to say that I think, you know, what you just said was what I was trying to say in a much more eloquent way, which is that, you know, it just shows how quickly those shots can disappear and how you can't really pin it on exactly one thing except for maybe that shot at the second shot at 12. And I think that the second shot at 12 was what you know you go back into that rushing thing and he was talking about you know if I would have done it over again I'd be able to go on to the drop zone and like you know we were rushing to find the yardage and you know obviously when you do something like that when you make a swing like that you're not mentally committed as he is to 99.9999% of the other shots he hits. So the only, when you talk about like, you know, how damaging is it's going to be, how, you know, what's the lasting effect going to be? Like, I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, say it's negligible, but I don't think he's going to be standing on the first tee, you know, the

next time, the next time he tees it up and when he tees it up at the US Open and when he tees it up at the Masters next year and be thinking about, you know, oh my gosh, remember that one time I collapsed. I think he's more mentally tough than that. That's what I how can you not think about that in that specific moment at that specific shot when the pin is in the same place? Like, I don't understand how any human could ever block that out, especially since he did it in 2014, too. Yeah. I think, I mean, I think about it very differently if he hadn't won last year, right? If this was like him trying to get over the hump, I would say that is going to scar him forever, right? But in his head, don't you think he has to be thinking that that was more an exception to the rule? I mean, it was... Though his success so far had a gust of it, that's not a fluke in any way.

If I was him, what would be killing me is like, it seems like you're gonna have all these opportunities, but those opportunities just don't come along that easily. He knows that, I'm sure he does, everyone knows that. And that would be eating me up, that you just missed this chance to go back to back to truly make history. But for me, it's like, he knows he's done it before.

He basically did it this... The order of that, I think, matters to me. You know what I mean? Like, he's not... Not totally. Okay, yeah, I'm struggling. No, and that's what I think makes him so tough. And, you know, tougher with each win that he gets is that I think your terminology of exception to the rule I think is perfect and I think when you look at I'm

sure people made this comparison but you know when you look at 2011 and Rory's standing on the 10th tee with the lead you know and having just an epic collapse and hitting you know the equivalent of the shot Jordan hit, you know, Rory's drive at 10 was the equivalent of what Jordan did at 12, I would say, and, you know, Rory stepped up in the name major in 1 by 8, so, you know, I got, that's where I think, maybe on that one golf shot, standing on the 12th tee, I could see it affecting him, but like, in the long run, I just, I don't think it's a factor I think it's just I think he's done too much already. Yeah. Yeah

I just think he's gonna be in He's gonna have a lot of not these collapses, but he's gonna have a lot of close calls I think I mean look at how many the last five majors how he's been in all of them And that's like understating his role in all of the last five majors, how he's been in all of them. And that's like understating his role in all of the last five majors. Like, I think that, you know, sometimes it's gonna work out in his favor, sometimes not. I feel like the US Open last year just kind of worked out in his favor

in the same way that the Open and PGA just did not. Right? He played pretty much about the same in all three of those and only only he got one major title out of it. So, I think we're gonna see a lot of close calls from him. I don't think we're gonna see a lot of collapses like this, but I mean, don't you just, I feel like I tried to say this leading up into it.

And it's part of the reason I took this loss so hard and that I just, I just felt like he was gonna win. Dating all the way back to December, as soon as I started thinking about it, I'm just like remembering what that felt like to watch him go around that course last year and how good he was. When I say he only one by four, I just felt like he won by more last year. I felt like he dominated more than that. I got the same exact feeling watching him Thursday and I still had that

same feeling watching him stand over every putt. When was when he was you know hitting his driver I'm just holding on for dear life on the edge of my chair like and you know that he it was the right miss that Costum so many times on Sunday that didn't just absolutely murdered and it cost him on 10 11 it cost him on 12 it cost him on 17 There's a left miss on 15 that cost him his chance to go for but he's still made birdie um and so I don't know I just I just feel like he's so unbelievably good at that course It doesn't you know it favors long hinders, but you don't have to be long long there. I mean I just think we're gonna see him when okay the question we got I don't know I have to pull up who asked this Over under two and a half more masters titles for him the rest of his career. Oh

I Think the question was over under two I'm making it two and a half because two just make you want to push it I was gonna take I was gonna take the under and say to you. Yeah Two more master four masters is so many masters. It's so many masters. It's second most all time They only play it once a year Which I think a lot of people forget because I know we've talked about this but like if you go back If you go back, it's be fun to exercise to do like with golf channel analysts or something But like if you go back and you actually like counted up the number of majors that have been promised away

Like it's got to be we've got to be like 2076 by now Jordan's gonna win up 11 and Ricky's gonna win nine Dustin's gonna win six Tiger could win six more who knows, Bill's gonna win eight more. Danny Will it's never in that calculation either. Right, that's what I'm saying. There are so many good players that, and they only play four of them a year. So that's what always makes the math feel a little weird to me.

So I feel like two more, especially considering Baba is also in that same category where you can say how many more is he going to win or we can talk about that. But that's certainly something that a lot of people have said. People say the same thing about Phil. I mean, if he stays healthy, like he could win. If, you know, there's just, Rory is still like, statistically, you know, he was designed in like the Augusta lab, basically, like, he should in three, like, who knows? You know, I feel like, too, it's, too more, it's huge. Yeah.

I feel like, I'm going over. I am. I just, what we saw for those first seven rounds and even halfway through the second one, that's so be honest. No one thinks it's a fluke. I'm not saying that, but I don't think people have a full appreciation for how amazing that was and how true and utter that domination is specific to that course. I mean we saw no one has ever done that no one's ever gone wire to wire back to back rounds maybe that's kind of maybe that statistic is important as I'm making it out to be but I just think when you take a

second a first and a second in today's death game of golf. Nicholas's run in the majors in the 70s looked a lot like that you know for, for season after season after season. You don't see any guys do that. Like you don't see that from Rory. You've never eat Rory's never had a stretch of majors like this in his career. Phil, Phil has, I guess you could probably say like the O506 that time frame, but I mean you don't I don't know. You just don't you don't see that and there's a reason my fill is one three of these things And that he always put himself there and he's all he's very good for that that particular golf course And I feel like we're gonna see him there so many times that I Can I can say that he would be he would win. All right. Let's say he would have won this

How many more majors would you how many more masters would you have predicted that he would win still the same? Yeah, I don't know, that's a hard one, I guess. Yeah. I changed it. Which it shouldn't be that way. It shouldn't. Yeah. It's basically almost like a... I don't know if you started to look at the stats. It's basically one swing that causes it to change. That's what's so funny about wins versus losses. It literally comes down to you know one thing like that So it's so funny to think like, you know, you have this huge inflated This huge inflated opinion of somebody who you know

This is I guess more with like regular tour events, but you know, you have this huge inflated opinion of somebody who wins versus somebody who You know makes one bad swing and finishes T2. And you just don't even think about that guy for the next six years because he's never one on tour. It's just straight. But, anyways, I think that you said something about the last five majors and it reminded me of my favorite staff from the week, I think, before maybe you told me that Willow was even on the part five, he was saying but I tweeted the other day like his head-to-head record at the last

5 majors is 643 wins 5 losses and 2 ties in 5 in 5 majors. Thank you guys for being so stupid. It just feels like you should have more than two majors out of that. You know? I mean, and that's the thing is the one that he was beaten by three guys. He was one shot out of the playoff. No, he could literally have... I would comfortably say four. Like, the Jason Day one, I mean, I don't think anybody was going to be Jason Day. Yeah, he could legitimately have four of the last five majors. I think it wouldn't be that different. Like, it's just crazy. Yeah. I think, you know, maybe his side

rant from on my perspective, but the reason I took it, adding on to that, the reason why I took it so hard was it just didn't, I don't know, the way he played for, I don't know what 72 plus 63 holes is at that course, it didn't feel right for to end this this way. You know, that it's just the sinking feeling and kind of lost some perspective into what he did last year. And just the loss in the chance at history. I mean, we we pine for so long for somebody like Tiger and this is by all accounts, at least some major championship in Masters perspective, a guy who's like on pace to shatter his records.

I'm not saying obviously he's going to, I'm not going to be on pace guy, but it's not like something that is guaranteed to last forever. But I mean, but we're talking about a guy who is going to be three time major winner at 22. Well, I think Tiger is 24 when he won three majors and granted that's when he really went nuts when the Tiger slam, etc. But I mean, I don't know. It was just this chance at something that we've never seen before in the history of the game. I don't think people really appreciated that. And for me, like, I used to be just the biggest sports fan.

I mean, fantasy football, spreadsheet guy, fantasy baseball, off-season trade guy, betting on every game. I was bracket guy for a little while there too, with the NCAA. Before I moved to Europe, that was just a huge part of my life. You go to a bar and you're watching sports on TV

where now that I live here, like my sports fandom has just slowly drifted away month by month and that a lot of sports happen overnight and I don't, you know, I don't watch, I don't watch any baseball anymore. Basketball is out the window. Football, I can watch the early games. And then like, if you to see me like eight years ago or so,

like I was the one who based a Saturday around a West Virginia football game, right? and watch the early games. And then like if you'd have seen me like eight years ago or so, like I was the one who based a Saturday around a West Virginia football game, right? Or during the week during the summer, I'm checking in on MLB app on my phone for red scores no matter what. And I don't have that anymore. That just kind of died off a little bit.

And the only sport that's easy to watch from a European perspective is golf. And obviously having a website and what not has contributed to that as well, but that's where like all my sports energy has been focused, right? And not only did I pick speed, but I think he's awesome for the game and he's just a guy that I've really root for and I think we have a real great chance to see greatness out of him. And overall, I think, yeah, if you want wanna say he's whiny, that's fine.

If you don't like him, that's fine. But I think he's so good for the game. And such a likable guy from my perspective, and an overall good guy that, I don't know, to have that happen, it just crushed me. I hated it. I told you the story, or I texted you, that said December 1st, 2007 was was like a part of me as a sports

fan died. West Virginia was a 28 point home favorite with a birth to national championship on a line and we lost. It was unthinkable that we would lose that game and we did. And it just like how much that hurt me. I got like some perspective. I'm like okay I can't take sports that seriously anymore. And since then I've faded and just okay, I can't take sports that seriously anymore. And since then, I've faded and just don't, I don't take anything too seriously again, but this whole moment just kind of caught up with me. And it just, I just wanted it to happen so badly. And I also really wanted to be right

with all my, with all my Photoshop. I'm here with you. Yeah, now you believe me, but I feel like a lot of guys weren't,, I was talking to one of my buddies, Tumer and I said, he's giving me, basically giving me crap for taking way too much credit for picking speed, but I didn't see a lot of guys picking him before the start of tournament. He only went off 8 to 1, he was second or third favorite on the board, but I don't know, I just, I really wanted to get that pick right, because I was pretty authoritative about the way I went about it, and yeah, just to have it go down like that, it just, you know, and just, you know, having the random support people dropping in on and giving their takes on it, and it was too much for me to handle. I really did have several drinks Sunday night before I went to bed.

I was not taking you well. I had my, we do a one and done league on PJTour.com and he was my pick this week so just for it won't that's work. But I was beating the Phil horse really hard this week. For some reason, I don't know why and even like Friday afternoon, I think when he hit his second shot up to eight, he had like what looked like a pretty easy up and down for birdie on eight. I think he was like four back or something. And Jordan was like kind of faltering and I'm like, oh God, this is definitely happening.

Phil's gonna hang and he's gonna, whatever. Anyways, he didn't. And my takes have like never been further off than they were this week. I think on Shane in Ryan's podcast, I went on how hipster of a pic Danny Willett was. I was like, how every year there's like this thinking man's like cerebral kind of trendy pic about all these converging trends.

And this year was totally gonna be Willett. And so I was, I will own up to that fully. I was totally wrong. But I did have him in the of them so that was worth worthwhile. What did you see our question that we got I'm trying to find it right now in that. I have a hipster right now. Yeah how what level if you tie into your you caught him the hipster pick what level of hipster was the pick and I'll remember from it I'll find it here in a second.

But I just just found it if picking will it is from at hit the high draw Which is coincidentally what Jordan should have done on 12 If picking will it was a hipster pick to find the level of hipster i.e. Man bond glasses with no lens is latte sipping, etc That's a great question. That's a great question. I don't know what a good answer would be. I'm trying to think. I don't know enough about hipsters to really fully weigh on. Let me noodle that one for a minute. Okay. To your point about just the like, despondency, I think the only other time I felt that way was probably like the 2009 open championship

what about it? basically like you know that was I think just what was I doing? I was in intern at a golf week magazine so I was like living in Orlando by myself for the summer and like had nothing to had no money had nothing to do except literally just watch golf and I've watched probably God I don't even know I watched probably 30 hours of that golf tournament that

week and was following the storyline the whole time and then just it all felt like such a waste and with like one and one kind of bad bounce over the green. Yeah. But I think on Jordan just to kind of add like I guess a little more context or whatever you want to call it. I think of what was a couple years ago Martin Kimer won the I think it was at the US Open. He won the US Open in the players and both kind of somewhat similar fashion but he was he was winning the US Open in the players in both kind of somewhat similar fashion. But he was winning the US Open and I think it was either Saturday before he won or was Sunday. I think it must have been Sunday afterwards in the press room when he was, oh no, I'm sorry, I take it back, it was Saturday because of a reason I was playing in a second.

But he was basically saying like, you know, he'd probably had enough after he'd been asked one question and he's like, do you have any idea how hard it is to like, plague off like that? Have a lead at a tournament you've never won. Be thinking about all the on the course things and then have to like come in here and like vocalize all that and then you have to do it. Like the thing nobody realizes about how, you you know media works like after a player finishes is like you know you hold the last pot you go straight to the scoring trailer and then you come out and you have to do you know serious XM you have to do

One you know golf central you have to do a small scrum of writers outside Then you have to do a couple autographs and then you go into the media center and then you have to do more golf channel And then you have to do you know channel and then you have to do maybe ESPNs there that week or whatever. All those people are not asking these hugely different questions. So when that question is kind of like, hey, do you think you'll be able to keep up this big lead? Imagine going in and talking about that so many times like it's just mind blowing and then to be Jordan and like To be doing that all this year on top of you know

Top of what you're doing and you're kind of fighting your swing and like Imagine standing on 12 like with all that just kind of going through your head There's no way you can separate all of that no matter like how Mentally tough you are and then throwing the fact that like people are asking you like hey why are you struggling so much and in reality you haven't you finished outside the top 20 and one of your last nine tournaments or whatever it's just it's so crazy like the amount of stress that goes on behind the scenes or what I kind of project on what goes on behind the scenes or what I kind of project on what goes on behind the scenes to these guys. Like it just blows my mind that they can they can have

all of that and play off the way that they do. Yeah and it's it's it's got to be stressful in general. One of the things that Speed said and I don't remember where where when I read this but just something about how someone always wants something, you know, totally, completely. And he's gotten so aware of it lately too. And it's such a hard thing to wrestle with, like the whole, you know, the whole, when he's coming off 18 and he says, hey, guys, don't point the camera in my face, like, he doesn't want to become a meme or something. And I'm like, he's thinking, he's said that in the last couple of pressers he's had. Like, he's so aware of that. And like, it's just such a different world.

And one thing I want to talk to you about is like, I think that he is, I think in golf, he is kind of like the first superstar that's had to deal with that, like that's just been the reality for his whole career. Like Rory, I think, had a little bit of it, but I think even Rory had kind of like a little bit different, you know, social was kind of slowly evolving and, you know, the internet's obviously around, but like when Rory was Jordan's age, you know, what, what, what are these four years old, five years old? Something like that. Like, just think about how different the internet was five years ago. For sure.

You know, and it's just, it's, it's fascinating to have to like deal with all that. And I'm just curious like where that's going to, what that means for like the longevity and burnout and like all this stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to one thing, you come across PJ Tour players way more than I do. But the what always sticks out to me whenever I, you know, and talking to somebody for more than two minutes is, and you know, I'm not definitely the first person to come up with this and doesn't just apply to athletes, golfers, It applies to all celebrities, but the human factor immediately comes in right and you talk about you be talking about the bachelor And you realize that you know, yeah, this guy's maybe he has a free time at nights

And he goes on when he watches the bachelor and you talk like that's like I don't know that just that you just look at these guys And they're supposed to be these machines and golf is all they do and all this and you just forget that. I've always pictured like somebody else is tweeting for them or handling all the social media and then you're standing next to them and they're tweeting and you're like, oh, it really is just that person that's that human saying this. You know, where we look at them as these corporate structured guided entities and that they are just humans reacting to how, you know, just going through life the same way we are just in a much more public fashion. I don't know where I'm going with any of this. I'm just...

Yeah, just turning into like a late night dorm room conversation. Yeah, no, I mean, we're bypassed that ball going in the water on 12, but... But no, you're right. It's crazy to think about, I don't know that anybody's ever done a really good, at least not in the last couple of years, I guess, just a really good analysis of the toll of fame on some of these guys and I forget what it was I saw one of our somebody was somebody came across the stat with Rory that like basically his calendar for all of last year or this year whichever it was like there were like

I think ten days maybe it was eighteen I know exactly the stat you're saying. I remember this. Ten days where he didn't like, pose somebody something. No commitments. Or he could pick up and say, I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to do today. Which is ridiculous. Six, five. Like, that's insane.

That's so crazy. I get more vacation days, like during the week than that. And then I get all my weekends, or for the most part, but 18 days, that's absolutely, yeah, it's mind-blogged. It doesn't sound like that fun to me. I mean, that's why guys like Adam Scott play probably 15 events a year.

That's why Steve Stricker's semi-retired basically is that, you know, when you've, when you've got enough money that doesn't matter, then you just, I mean, yeah, you just kind of want to maybe live your life, but do you put, and I yeah, you just kind of want to maybe live your life. But do you put, and I'm guessing the answer is no, but do you put anything on the speeds early season travel as to what happened this past weekend? Yeah, that was the hot take elephant in the room that I was going to ask you about.

Honestly, it's hard. I've wrestled around with it in my mind a lot the last couple days or I guess, yesterday when it really picked up steam. But I don't know, my quick, quick response is no, that's totally absurd. And then you start backing out, you start backing out the last couple weeks, like, because that seems like it would play so much more of a factor to me, that like, you know, playing, I forget what his exact schedule was, but, you know, he played last week, he played match play, he played derral, he played Tampa, I'm just kind of throwing these out, but, you know,

like, it was a ton, right? Over the last couple weeks. And so at first I'm like, well, you know, maybe it's hard to catch up on that stuff, but at the same time, like maybe he never fully caught up during that time because he was tired from all this other stuff during the, you know, early season. I don't know, my mind's gone in like 15 different directions on this. Like, I'd still say no. Like, he was well rested and totally like ready to go and that didn't have any kind of, you know, impact on it, but I don't know. I guess I could be swayed if there was an actual like really good argument that someone could lay out.

Yeah. If that makes any sense. Yeah. No, I think you got a lot of criticism for the schedule. He knows he messed up the schedule in the early part of the year. Some of the heat that I saw him get, though, that doesn't make sense to me is like some of those saying, he's set for life. What does he need to do to the globe?

Why does he need a globe chart for, you know, make money? It's like, as much as you, yeah, he is going to be financially fine for the rest of his life, it's not like having more money than that is greed, right? Think about how many people in your family you could take care of with, you know, 20 more million dollars just hypothetically, like, you know, like, you could, if you wanted to, you could buy your cousin a house with that money, like, it's so you can never have too much money in relative terms.

And you look at guys like billionaires, you know much more money a billion dollars is than a million dollars. Right. Right. You know, in some of the circles, these guys run in, the amount of money they make isn't necessarily that much money.

And like, I think Magic Johnson had a quote, something about like, I used to be rich, but now I wanna be be wealthy something like that. I like the there's the one forget what it is like something about you know once once you it's like once you make a billion dollars like that's when you start getting everything for free or something like that like there's there's something to that too probably yeah I don't know Warren Buffett doesn't pay for anything, he says. That's right.

My buddy, we be asked a good question. If you were growl, and then we're going to move off speed, and you can give me a quick answer to this. But if you were growl or what would you have said to speed after the T-shot, after the ADR dunk, and while walking to 13? Oh my gosh. That's a great question.

I don't have no idea. That's why I'm not... I think that the worst person... I can't think of somebody who chokes on the golf course more than I do. So I have the worst person you ought to talk to. The only positive that could come from this is just doing the opposite of what I say. But I guess you'd probably want to try to lean on some of what I say. But I mean, I guess you'd probably wanna try to lean on some of what we were talking about earlier,

with like, this is how good you've been at this place. You know, like, I guess you just try to reinforce that as much as you can. But to me, I think the prerequisite to this question is, it totally depends on your relationship, right? I mean, it might be, I mean, speak is pretty hard on Greller. I mean, if we're being honest,

he's pretty tough on him at times. He may have said by the scenes, like, look, I don't need a psychology lesson from you ever. You know what I mean? Some guys just don't want to hear that. And to be honest, I don't think I would want to hear that on the golf course. Maybe this is a special circumstance

that Greller need to speak up, whatever. But the whole, I just hate that, I don't, DJ is probably a bad example because he's probably maybe one guy that, you know, Greller need to speak up whatever. But the whole, I just hate that, I don't, DJ's probably a bad example because he's probably maybe one guy that could use guidance, but I don't like the analysis of caddies necessarily. And because it's just impossible for us to understand the psychological relationship between the two.

But not only that, but I feel like, I mean, caddies are a huge part just because they're, you know, the only sounding board, the only therapist, the only, everything that these guys have for five hours. But at the same time, like, it's not like they're born with this superpower to fix the situation. Like, that's what I think people say is like, oh, the Caddy should have said something. It's like, what the hell do you want them to say? Like, what, you know, it's not that easy, I don't think.

I think, here's what I would have tried to, the point I would have tried to get across and it's almost impossible to get across in that moment. And it's that, I think you have to erase what happened, reassess where you currently stand. So when we actually put that first ball in the water, he's gotta be thinking, I think at that point it was a three shot lead or he thought he had three shot lead.

Or was it, no, it was down to one, that point was one. Okay, so you gotta be thinking, listen, I know that sucks, which just happened. In your mind, you have to somehow get to the point where you're just, you're standing on this T-Box and you trail by one. You look at the holes you have ahead of you. You got two par-fives ahead of you, you don't need to do something crazy here, you put this ball in the middle of the green, I think you play it in basically even par, playing on

birding boats par-fives, you play out and you're gonna have to lead back. Granted will have made another birdie bubble. So that's that's but that's so hard to do in that scenario and so I probably would have failed and got fired mid-round for business But do you know Along those lines do you know if so he put the ball in the water in 2014? Yeah, same spot same pin position same everything Do you know where he dropped because you got it up and down for bogey, right? That has a very good question. I think he did like I don't know why I expect you to have that off-stop your head, but um, no, it's a good question.

I think, like I know he got it up and down and made Bogey, but I wonder if he dropped in the same spot. I wonder if, like I think he was closer to the water. I don't know why and the greens were softer. Maybe he didn't need to, you know, have as much spin on it, but I don't, I don't know why I want to say that, but I feel like he went up close to have as much spin on it, but I don't know why I wanna say that, but I feel like he went up close to the water and just kind of hit like some kind of a flop over it,

but I could be definitely wrong there. But it was a wee, I mean, is this total hindsight? It was a weird decision just to go to that spot. It wasn't like a full shot. I was like, 80 yards or something. I think Steve Flesch tweeted something about, he did this near same thing like in 0809 He said just that he's like that's great

I could have told him you just hit it from the tee again because that's some grainy grass over there Whatever that means. I'm sure that means something more to them, but All right, I think we've beaten this be thing. I want to ask you a bit about a guy that we saw and The question we got from Jack Garzwood, if Bryson, Dishambo, when's one of these seven starts? Is he a captain's pick for the rider cup? Wow. Holy smokes. Before you answer, I'm willing to be talking to Dishambobo for the Ryder Cup team. I'm just putting that out there. Yeah, no, I'm with you.

I think you got to start looking at like, who some of those bottom guys are, which right now I don't have the rankings in front of me, but I mean, you could convince me I think that, I can go two different ways with this. One, I think he's a humongously talented guy. I think we saw that this week. Two, there's no way for a lot of different reasons I would want to play against him.

Yeah. Can you imagine that? That would be like just insanity. He could, if he wanted to be like the biggest gamesman, you know, whatever you want to say, I mean, he could, he could mentally, I feel like just win any match he wants. Yeah, I think, to me, this is my first time really getting a good look at him. I mean, I've seen him play some in college or on TV, very little bit. I've seen him, I think I watched him some in Dubai this year, but maybe it was Abu Dhabi. But he, the wedges look so awkward to me.

And I think he even said something on Thursday after watching Speed hit his wedges. Like that's where I need to be with my wedges or something like that. And, you know, when he's around the greens, you know, he was, I think in the hazard on 13, trying to chip with a six iron length club, with a ball above his feet. That's where I think he may end up having to make an adjustment to his overall setup, but all right I'm putting all personal things aside. I think he definitely could end up being a guy I really dislike and let me also put a disclaimer on this that at one point I liked Bubba for these

same reasons in that he matches the ball. It is so awesome to watch his swing. When he hits that low-stinger cut driver, like it moved, I'm sorry, it moved a little bit. And I'm willing to forego the personal quirkiness that is seems kind of contrive to be talked into this guy. And I honestly, I'm gonna place one bet on the RBC this week and it's him at 50 to 1 to win it. Wow I would love that for a lot of

reasons. So I kind of came into the week which with like a I don't know I was kind of already like over it a little bit I think just you know reading the quotes and and and everything was like all just you know reading the quotes and and Everything was like all right, you know, I get it like this is different and stuff And then I kind of started thinking about it and what I was saying and I'm like you know what like we complain all the time about Everybody's so vanilla and nobody says anything blah blah blah like So once you get to the point where you're like, you know what, look man, you don't have to hang out with him and go have dinner with him. It's basically like, do you want someone

who's super interesting? Interesting in any definition you want to say. Like, somebody who's just totally different is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think that's a hugely good thing. So as the week went on, I was like, I was just craving Bryce and on camera. Because I'm like, let's just, it's just different. Like, let's just see it. Like, I don't have to like it or dislike it. It's just something different.

It's the same way I don't dislike watching Bubba Play golf. When he's in contention, I'm not rooting for him to win, but it's more interesting when he's there. You can't argue that. No, totally, but even his press... I mean, did you watch his press conference like his Tuesday 30-minute press conference? You really misunderstand my dedication to the game if you thought I did. Literally, the only... This is... This will show you my dedication to master's week on Saturday night I was like trying to get my Tiger Woods video game loaded so that I could play a gust of So I just pulled up that interview up my phone instead and just watch that in the dark

It was like so depressing, but anyways having said that I Like it was just a tour tour de force of just like, I don't even know what the hell I'm watching. Like it was great. It was so out there and different in Zainy and like, I'm all in. Not for me, you know, this is someone I can relate to, which is I think why everyone kind of like speed is like, there's just like a good like just normal guy like he probably just hangs out with his buddies and he laughs and he like sports and he laughs at the same things I

laugh at, like I don't feel that way about pricing at all. I feel like we are totally different and I love it. I think it's great. Okay. All right. We're already gonna make this the longest podcast I've ever done, which I'm fine with, because there's still just too much to talk about. But car for the course wants to know, Euros had eight of the 10 best rounds on Sunday. US had one have any fire takes, have any fire takes on rider cup relevance and then I want to combine this question with another one that we got is

I'll find who said it here in a second. He felt like it was an 80-20 Fate like the the US chances were 80-20 now after the rider cut or after the masters He feels like they're 50-50 so So, Ryder Cup takeaways from the Masters if any from you. None other than, I mean, I think we saw what Danny Willett can do under pressure. I think like that scared me a little bit for sure from a Ryder Cup standpoint. But on the other stuff, like, it's just the sample sizes, eight holes. So, I think that one of my favorite things to go back and look for is like, if you were to look up headlines from like 2009, 2010, where like, you know, like Luke Donald was World

Number One in the Lee Westwood, and these guys, and there's all these headlines and magazine covers and stuff that were like, what's wrong with American golf? Like, does American golf need to start a new junior program? Do we need to be doing all these things? Look what happened over the last couple of years. It's not even close. No, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling super confident. Did you change any, have any major takeaways from that? It's, I'm given at the Bubba test here as well. Had the US finished, you know, ran the board and ran the top 10, I'd be like, wave in my flag and like, let's start the right to come tomorrow. The other way around, I'm going to say it's,

you know, a tournament in April. The one in September is going to be a completely different scenario and a completely different course and a completely different format, so there's not much relevance to it. I will say, so I mean, Danny Willett, we've barely even talked about him, which is kind of a shame, I'll be honest, I mean, to me, the bigger story is speed losing and I don't mean to be the, like the ignorant American guy that just focuses on the American storyline and diminishes the European guy. I don't have a lot to say about him. He was nails on Sunday. I don't want to say fear him. It was just like, when he's coming down that back nine, I did not think

he was going to screw that up at all. Like there was no thought in my mind that he was going to make a bogey coming in. No, completely agree. So I don't fear him for the ride or cup. I've already known he's like a world class player. I would like to see him do it on the PGA tour more. I definitely not because he needs to prove anything to me or anyone. I mean he's proving himself every, every time he's coming over,

it come over here. But somebody like, I honestly take more out of somebody like Matthew Fitzpatrick, who I think was kind of a question, more of a question mark going into this fall for, will he be primed and ready for this rider cut? I think that question's probably pretty much already answered. To show out this well in a well in a major of this importance, Grant, he could have a terrible summer, but that's somebody who's kind of like on the fringe

that now I'm like, my theory in general is that the Europeans are pretty strong, definitely strong through the top five. If you wanna throw a will at six now, it's like, their top six very strong. They can ride those guys through those first two days, but their depth from 7 to 12 leaves a lot of question marks like is it gonna be Lee Westwood, Polter, Luke Donald,

Graham McDowell are those gonna be the guys filling those final spots? Andy Sullivan, Soren Kelsen, like that team's not gonna scare me that much, but if somebody with like a really high ceiling like Fitzpatrick really comes out and starts emerging, like the same way that, you know, I'm high on Keppka and Thomas, then that's when I'm going to start being a little bit more wary going into it. So I think this was this this bruised me a little bit on on the on the future outcome of it, but I'm still I'm quite confident. And if you look at the top eight in the US Ryder Cup right now, it's speed DJ, Bubba, Sneds, ZJ, Ricky, Phil, JB Holmes. So outside our Brooks, Capka, and Patrick Reed,

they're outside the top eight at the moment. So the love's gonna have an arsenal of guys to choose from. It's hopefully gonna get to the point where you can't possibly screw it up. Vaughn Taylor's just waiting there at 20 to be picked also. So yeah, so I'd say it changed it like 5% for me. Yeah, I think that's fair. But yeah, I'm not horribly overreacting to that. So, I'm gonna do a couple more and then

we'll let you out of here. How's that sound? Perfect. No one's, I don't think anyone's left at this point, but they need to do two parts and break this into two parts But I should save some of these questions. I have another new guest on Thursday two podcast week. It's gonna be a good one There's a lot to talk about. There is so much to talk about JT Larsson 7 wants to know most uncomfortable to watch Ernie 6jack nances shaming of smiley or Jordan in the cabin to watch. Ernie Sixjack, Nancy's shaming of Smiley or Jordan in the cabin. That's such a great question and I appreciate the effort from the other contenders but there's no way that it's not herty. Yeah, it's not close. I was hyperventilating when I was watching that the first time. I don't have any explanation for it. It was just terrifying.

Yeah, this isn't my take. I forget where I read this from because I wouldn't have thought to make this connection. But it was kind of sad in that, and you know, I was pretty hard on Ernie. I was making fun of pretty hard. So I'm not trying to get, say this from a high horse, but that basically the unnecessary anchor rule led to that, like led to the embarrassment of a four-time major champion. And I get really hit home when you like said he went on the range the next day and felt like he was walking with no pants on out there. Like that's where I was like, I mean, I'm not gonna go back and delete the Jordan meme tweet that I made,

but I got a lot of retweet, so. It's big for your cloud score, you're gonna get it. But yeah, and it did, but the smiley thing was just so ridiculous and I that is a top 10 hardest I've ever I tweeted something about it and then I forget who replied but I somebody replied I be honest smiley you virgin I love the I love the term dance shaming I think that's very good for our kind of internet culture. Very last one. We're going to circle back to speed on this one. Do you think this makes it more or less likely to win a major the rest of the season, which just happened?

That's a good question too. I honestly think more. And I have a question I want to ask you when I get down with my little soliloquy here. I think him kind of walking off the course and I forget what he said if it was, you know, basically I had my B- this game. You know, B- this week I almost won the Masters. Like, I think that kind of take is so much better than like the alternative. I think he'll take so much out of that that it sets him up well for the rest of the year. I think, and I guess I haven't really looked at the venues too much as far as how they set up for him and stuff.

I mean, US Open, he's like a perfect US Open player. It would seem no matter where the US Open is, as long as it comes down to a putting contest, which it usually does. Like, I don't know. I wouldn't blow your mind if he was to come back and win the US Open. Like, I wouldn't think so, right? No, I definitely wouldn't blow my mind.

I mean, it's, I know how heartbroken I was from this. So I'm done, you know, making picks. They're going to lead to heartbreak at all. So I'm going with DJ to win. I'm going with DJ to win the USO in this year. I think, I think, like, I text you the other day, like your best chance is that you just kind of like gracefully and anonymously just kind of misses the cut. It misses the cut by like two and it's just not a storyline

because if he gets in contention like I'm gonna that's I would love to set up a live stream of you just kind of like a good do you want to hear my thought process though as to why yeah the greens are so difficult at Okman that it won't even matter. Like, it'll actually work out in his benefit. Yeah, I thought that was going more for laughter there, but that's fine. Yeah, then it's going to neutralize the good putters and he's just going to come out on top because when he's going to dominate from tea to green, that's my theory. He put it so bad. So bad. This week like I never picture him winning at Augusta.

I'm impressed by the T4 finish to be honest. Totally. So what I want to ask you that's beef is I wonder if so like if his if his you know his shot at 12, the chunk at 12, if he had the equivalent, whatever the putting equivalent of that is, if he lost because of that, like how does that change his mentality? First is what happened, does that make sense? Yeah, like if he, or if he like three putted on the 18th green to lose it, right?

Yeah, exactly. Like just because the putting has been so obviously the strongest point and kind of what helped them kind of hang and stuff this week and he made so many parses that like if it was that that betrayed him, like I feel like that would be worse for him mentally than what happened. Yeah.

I can agree with that. I just, I feel like what led to what happened was just his overall uneasiness about the way he was hitting the ball. And you know, the stats are saying that he was the best from T2, basically the best from outside of 100 yards in the whole field for the first three rounds. But that deteriorated round by round. And I forget where I'm stealing the step from. I'll get that here in a second

but So I think it was just that uneasiness that his his long game was costing him Shots it cost him on 10 cost him 11 definitely cost him on 12 And it's from Eurin Kelly. I don't a new guy follow on Twitter I don't know I said that. Sorry. That's where I got that stat But he would make up for it with a fantastic whole of ball striking. So when he birdied six, I didn't tweet this because I don't like doing stuff

that's instantly irrelevant five minutes later, but I wanted to say, if he drives it in the fairway on seven, he's gonna make birdie. Like he's gonna hit a wedge into that pin and it's gonna suck right down there and go in. And on eight, I felt like as long as he didn't hit it in that fairway bunker, I was like as long as he didn't hit it in that fairway bunker as like he's gonna make birdie on that hole. Those are just

those those holes just set up well for him. I wasn't expecting him to kind of make birdie on 9, he struck about perfectly on 9 and he gained strokes with his ball striking obviously combined with his putting. But then it felt like he also was there wasn't a neutral gain. There wasn't an in-between. It was in and he didn't make a par for like 10 12 straight holes or something like that He was given shots away with his long game But and then earning him back So he just didn't have the confidence in it to stand up and execute one of the most challenging and nerve-wracking shots in golf

And I think that's what it comes down to it and it all happened so fast for him and I just Is bad as I feel about it. I can't imagine the million times worse. He feels and I just as bad as I feel about it I can't imagine the million dunes worse he feels and I just I hope we see him bounce back so okay I this is the this is a record you you met you've made it the longest and I don't think we did anything here that will get you fired so I was over one shot over one I'm good about it over one so mr. P. I'm good about it. I missed you, Pai Hasky. Thank you for your time.

We'll have to do this again. It's been, we took the way too long to actually do this for the first time, but a lot to talk about, and I think we, I think we could still go for another hour if we really wanted to. I think so too. Yeah. Well, enjoy the rest of your week. Thanks for having me.

You bet. Yeah, I'll talk to you soon. Everybody out there, you can follow DJ on Twitter at DJ Pie and take it easy, thanks for listening. Get a right club. Beat a right club today. Yes! That is better than most.

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