No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 37, Part 2: Tron Carter

Episode Date: May 1, 2016

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I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! Hey guys, welcome back to part 2 of the NLU co-founder Tron Carter's podcast. Part 1, this podcast was just too long, I split into two parts, hopefully you caught part 1. We're going to flow right into it right about now. Alright, Chris Cheney at Wrong Underscore Fairway asking the key question, which lacks more pop?

Speaks belt game or Cooters game in general? It's a loaded question. I can see this going either way. Yeah, that's tough. So to give some background on Cooters, because I think the first the first and only podcast Been on was the first the first podcast no laying up and I was just drunk out of my mind The trip is the whole time. Is that the heritage? It was two years ago Yeah, it was just me like I think that was where the phrase lax pop camp. They really came into the vernacular

Lacks pop camp play really came into the vernacular Because my brother had a he had a big You know football coach that He would be in films and this coach would be like Schuster stinks Guy Lacks pop can't play gets ejected from the egg truck by a fresh Freshman running back can Can't trust him. Can't plan on lighting.

But that's kind of the whole culture thing. I would say it's still a culture. I mean, speech belt, it's kind of a one-off. I think I like, I don't really love his hats, but the shirts are fine. He wears some boring stuff, but for the most part, it's just the belt, the belt is just an abomination, but Cooture, his whole, not just his outfit,

his whole entire persona is an abomination to me. You know, in Granite, I realize I'm talking about the nicest guy on tour here And people will like to give me all the time I heard this great culture story from here. I heard this great culture story I was down to see island and like supposedly the guy tells some pretty good jokes and he's a great guy So I say I'll just tongue in cheek. Yeah, we're having fun. We're a lot of fun Yeah, but he set up his entire game to basically like get back to our top 10s fun. Yeah, but he set up his entire game to basically like get back to our top 10s. Which is like un-American to me. And then you look at his, I want to all the way back to like the Walker Cup.

And the guy has just shit his pants in every major international competition in the last 20 years. I think in that very first podcast, you and I argued argued pretty straight I was on the other side of the coin and that well for I don't think he's one since 2014 I could be wrong so He's one since that Puts know he won two days after that podcast He hits the guy and you're like no I was like just going after you for for sticking out for a coochie And then I still contend though that like that was so he won that week Yeah, he didn't loop Donald work two of the last you know four guys in the course Me won that week and

He hold out from the bunker on Sunday on 18. I still contended that ball would have gone like 15 feet by he would have bogged it and lost the playoffs because we watched him three putt 17 from 5 feet. That was like, because you and I had this big debate on the podcast, I was pro-culture, you were against. And then he 3-plot right in front of us and you were just letting me absolutely hear it. And we're still on 17 and we hear this ridiculous roar

go up on 18, find out it was a coocher that hold the bunker shot, you were just despondent. You were just beside yourself. And I think I had gotten the text message from my bookie like couple like an hour before about you know i owed him i don't know eight or nine hundred dollars and then i thought she was in a terrible mood at that point and then and then yeah that whole thing happened with cooer it was just it was a confluence of shitty stuff. But yeah, I mean, I hate his swing, I'll be the first saying that.

That's fair. It's just a brutal swing to watch. I think it was two years ago, kind of the manifestation of all of this Kutur-Lax-Pok Camp Play, hashtag LPCP stuff was this stretch of golf that we're in right now, where you've got heritage, and then you've got the Lero, which if I'm not mistaken, two years ago, I think he should've done it like it, the Lero. He was like the 36-hole leader. Yeah, I think

We're kind of entering that stretch of golf with Kutru where he tends to play well at the Lero Play well the first couple days and then fall back as the weekend approaches You know, I just I just don't think I just don't have any faith in the guy when when the ships are down and You know excited later some day afternoon I feel like he's you know he's either he's either fainting a little bit from an early leader he's coming back from from not not being in contention and back door and it's helped him. Yeah I don't want him on the rider cup team my overall point was I think guys were literally reactions to conversation

two years ago but I just think guys that, you know, finish near the top and maybe don't win as often as they are in, you know, whatever, their winning percentage isn't as what it should be based on their top tens. That gets held against them more than it does is celebrated for the fact that they're in the top 10. I get your point and you're saying he built this game based on this really low ceiling, but my point is I just didn't think he was that talented of a guy to begin with, and he just scraped the most out of, most possible out of his game. I mean, he, he went through a really dark spell several years ago, if I remember right,

and rebuilt his swing and got into where, what he, what he is today, which we haven't heard from him much in the last couple years, which, I mean, usually you could, you know, he's a guy you could slot into your fantasy lineup and be pretty you know Pretty trustworthy that he's gonna give you a top 15 performance, but I mean I haven't I haven't you know He hasn't infiltrated a broadcast in a long time. Maybe I don't know. I don't want to Yeah, you you're got made a very good point in that, Sergio gets beat up for not winning, especially for majors, whereas, Couture gets a pass.

That I agree with. I think Sergio brought that on a little on himself more from off the course antics and some of the things he said and whatnot, but. The expectations were higher. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So it's not Apple's apples. It's not Apple's apples, but it's, I do definitely do see your point in that, you know,

it's kind of the same way, like we view, like I brandy made the big, brandy made the point once, like Ricky Fowler's got work to do to get to Martin Kimer's career. But the way we looked at Kimer coming out isn't the way we looked at Ricky Fowler coming out. We say, I think it's just really good points. Like wow, Kimer is a two-time major winner, former world number one. I like it.

Big Randy and I followed Kimer, I think this is three years ago, Heritage, followed him like Friday, and the guy was like lost, not just completely. So he's one of the few guys on tour that straight up can't figure his game out. I don't think anyone can. But in order, it's insane.

Yeah. Brendan Keating asked a good question. At Keating B18, with people like Tiger, Rory, Brooks, switching from titleists to Nike for mega deals. Do you ever see that happening with spieth or Thomas? I'll preface it by saying I think I got like spieth or Thomas is more valuable to titleist, then say, you know, a Capca or somebody like that, just because, I don't know, I mean Thomas is the son of a golf pro, right? Yeah.

So he's, you know, so I think there's kind of a little bit of a grinder mentality there. And he kind of resonates with a lot of these golf pros. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's probably, I'm a plain, I don't think a great person to ask this question too, because I just, I just, a whole Nike golf. It's the ugliest shit on board. I thought you'd be better than me,

because I just don't, I don't understand what drives guys to change equipment companies other than money. I don't think Speed to Nike doesn't make any sense to me because he's got underarm or clothing locked up basically for life. I wouldn't have predicted Keppga to go there, but I mean God knows what they paid him, but I just find it, I, a guy, obviously,

we've talked about before and that doesn't get talked about by anybody anymore, it's Kyle Stanley. Like, he went from being, I think, in 2012, he was top 10 or something on tour in Ballstra, in Strokes Game, Tita Green. And he was top eight, I think, in driving distance. And I looked up today, he's 88th on tour now in driving distance.

Like, I don't know how that happens. I think he has complete, I haven't gotten to watch and play in a couple of years, but I think he's completely changed his game. I mean, he basically does not try to overpower courses anymore, lays back off the tee and kind of plays a much more conservative style of golf. But I just, I don't know, I don't understand,

like the Nike transition really seems to affect some guys. And then some of the Kepka's kind of been, it's been a very easy transition it seems like yeah I don't know enough about it same yeah I've always been I've always been you know irons like titleist or Mizuno you know and then you're driver of always an titleist like yeah I ball of always use a titleist I've never really even bothered to question and that stuff just always felt good to me. So, but I mean Stanley, I think that would his results this past week would kind of back up what you were saying where he's kind of throwing back a little bit. He finished pretty well,

yeah, pretty good, pretty good at helping that. Yeah, he's been really consistent this year. I mean, it's been, it's not been like thrilling to watch. He's not making broadcasts. He's not really, he's got only, he doesn't have any top tens, but he's making a ton of cuts, which I mean, if you saw what was going on with his game, if anybody was following him for, you know,

for the last couple of years, it was a lot of miscuts and you never knew what to expect as putting really let him down. He is positive strokes game putting just here Which is insane it is a couple years ago Remember just just listening to the sound the ball made off of his putter It was like like that that still hugs my dreams. It's like this just this

Really shallow Ten sounds weird. sounds, it was weird. Yeah, he was lost, but I mean I got to give him credit for the fight back he's had. I mean I think so this year he missed the cut at Puerto Rico and at the career builder. That's all he's missed in 2016 and he's been playing a lot of golf. He missed two in the fall, saying his infarms and in myocoba. But those are two majors. There's two majors.

But yeah, I mean, at top 20 at the Houston Open, and he's the, for those wondering why we're talking about Kyle Stanley, he's the original, he's my original man-crush that proceeds the No-Ling Up website. So if he ever does make it all the way back, if you think the Keppcare Thomas or any of the crushes are intense, then. Yeah, it was like Kyle's family and then Horshule. Yep, Horshule was like right at the beginning of No-Lang-Up, that's pretty much exactly it.

No, I think he was 2013, he was, he was, he was 2013, I started to become obsessed with the Horshule. I would just get text, you know, just get text from solid, He was 2013 I started to become obsessed with the horse over We even had a way to say it didn't we was yeah, horse He was... Horsesho! Horsesho! Yeah, he would... Although I will say, I mean, he should have finished, like, top five and four or five offense in the rough. I know, that was...

And he finally won one, that was such an absurd run. But, um... What... What do you think about... Why is Paige Sparanic on the front cover of Golf Digest? This is quite... This question's from Robert Duhne. I don't really get to get started on Golf Digest. And digest. I know I got to bite my tongue a little bit here because

I like actually now that Alex Myers guy is cool. I feel like there's some good people over at golf digest and they don't want to get a new business perspective. But this is absurd. It's not even gratuitous at this point. It's just It's like so far off the rails that you know, it's like it's not about golf anymore. No, uh, I don't understand like why Like why would I pick up a golf digest to look at chicks? If you can just move further down the Yeah, magazine rack or you know what you mean? Yeah. Or just like there's something called the internet.

Yeah, there's internet pouring out there if you need to see boobs. But I think the, I'm obviously, when you see, we all have the same reaction to seeing that. I'm sure a lot of people that work there had the same exact reactions we did too. The only defense I'll give them is they are like a golf lifestyle magazine more than they are about a pgator. I forget what they're saying is about like we're you know where to play how to play what not. That's the only real defense I'll give it. And that.

I mean I'm trying to say it's amazing. But at the same time it's like you know I can't remember the last time, even the last, like, high-made D-ass article I read in Golf Digest was the bubble, and it was like a bubble cover story. And that was, it was like this bubble-love piece that I just felt, shit, this is not, you guys are mailing it in.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a real back-to-back on Golf Digest, You guys are mailing it in. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? God, that's a rail. Back to back on golf digest. But Dave Kati, bunch of no. What was your reaction when you saw their, their, this tweet, which says, conspiracy theory, aliens cause Jordan Speed's master's meltdown.

Yeah. That's the kind of stuff. It was like, I don't even follow him on Twitter anymore. Like I follow all their personalities, but I follow their main account. It's either the equipment companies trying to pinch something out, paying them to promote some sort of equipment gallery or some dumb concept or them just pushing chicks in our face like the tanahad is tourwives that you know who's who's who's husband's played in the show Houston Open. I mean golf.com is equally bad about that that's that's not unique to

digest. Yeah and golf.com maybe I'm just partial, they got like Bamberger, he's just a fucking G. He's kind of polarizing, but like, Shibknock, like everybody, you know, and like going back to speed, because I forgot to say this earlier. So Shibknock, I don't know, a lot of people regard it as like a hot tape when he tweeted out about, you know, speech, like basically off-season schedule, or, you know, kind of silly season schedule, being just, you know, a big, a big reason why he didn't close at the masters. I don't know if you can draw a direct distinction between the two. But at the same time, at some point, has he really had his swing at any point since Capulua? Let's clarify this through one thing. Alan said that speed schedule forever altered the course of his career. So that's why we call it a hotdog. Okay. That's what I call a hotdog. That's one of the other things I appreciate about it. He's just,

he's just trumming the water. He's not shoving the water. He's pouring oil into it and then dump it and light it on fire. No, I, I, there is something to the schedule. I don't, I don't think the, that is still, the fatigue is still a factor or was a factor come master's. Like, speeds up. I know, I know, I know, I know he struggled this swing. I just don't think, I don't know. I have a hard time drawing that parallel

for a 22 year old to be. Yeah, all he really said, he had one post round interview where he just like, I'm tired, man, yeah, I'm tired of been doing a lot of travel. That was really the end of us here. I don't read all his press conferences. Maybe he talked about it more, but I feel like it just kind of got blown out of proportion there.

A little bit of jet lag for a 22-year-old gets settled within a couple of weeks. I don't think that's a direct correlation to struggling with your swing. But I'm just saying, like, the whole process, the whole early season, he's been spending so much energy just grinding out some of these rounds and fighting a swing a little bit. I mean, could he get such a dominating performance at the Mercedes, right? Yeah. And so whatever the hot day or whatever.

It's still the Mercedes in my mind. Yeah, yeah, that was a fresh turn back in the day. But like, you know, I just, I just look at it, I'm like, I see the picture of him in the airport in Singapore pushing the luggage cart. It's like him and his agent. card. It's like him and his agent. I just look at that and I'm like there's no way that that he was set up for success to have the year that he was supposed to be at. Yeah, that we all expect. I guess this. And then, you know, he's on what adult spring break this week over at Baker's Bay with Ricky and Smiley and Justin Thomas. Yeah, I'm sure they should have been doing four months ago. Yeah, taking a break. I'm sure he's getting some work in down there.

They think they do play a bunch of Baker's Bay, don't they? Oh for sure. Yeah, probably MJ will probably come over and play a five some with him. Just drink straight vodka. The model, because it seems like that's what he does. Do you think, who's your pick to win the US Open at this point? Good question. I'm going to go with Horshield. Whoa, alright. Alright. I think he's just lurking.

I don't think anybody's been able to put on these greens. That was the exact reasoning I gave DJ as to why I'm picking DJ. Yeah. I was considering DJ to... Yeah. I think Horshaw is a great... I mean, shit, at Mary and a couple years ago, 18 greens. Horses did, yeah, Horses did, right? Yeah, that's right. So I'm like, you know, I'm like, hey, if nobody's going to be able to, you know, it's going to be all lag putting. And just baby in the ball, because I mean, from what I've heard,

there's not a single member that plays a lot out of oak month it hasn't four-putted all 18 green at some point which is insane. But yeah I mean from by all accounts it's just the most diabolical set of putted surfaces you've ever seen. So yeah I think that would favor a ball striker. You're almost taking that you know know, as long as he can stay disciplined and as long as he's hot, because he's just a streaky player. Yeah. Okay.

I'll buy it. I'm taking DJ picked it before the season. I think for that exact reason, I feel like I don't think I don't think everyone's like, oh, they're greens are the hardest. You have to be a great putter to win there. I think like really hard greens almost neutralizes the good putters in my mind. Who knows, I could play out the complete opposite of that. I just think back to even my game, I'm a terrible putter and chipper, but I'm at my best one of my really fast greens and I don't, my stroke's not as long.

Done what? Done what either summer. Yeah, you know where the balls gonna go You know, it's like the less you know, there's more or more isn't for air on a shorter stroke, right? Yep. I'm with you So you know, so that that's kind of my mentality about it. That could be totally counterintuitive But you know sounds like we're in agreement here. Yeah All right, I'm gonna ask a big Randy question then I'm gonna let you pick some questions because I know you've probably flagged a couple good ones as well. But our boy, Big Randy and I'll you. What did you think of the Masters telecast presented by CBS? We talked about that a little bit. The second part of the question is should Augusta lead a ball rollback initiative? Um, yeah. So on the first part of the question, you know, I know a couple of people have touched on this and their pieces are podcast like Marty Kaufman, a couple of people go for it.

But like, I don't know, I just, I don't get it. So I'm told that the BBC had pro-tracer. That's true. On their telecast or like, I just, all the stuff we were talking about earlier with Matthew Fitzpatrick and all that. All these problems are solved if you just show more golf shots That's exactly right It's not rocket science and so so after I wrote that piece After it was was turned on was that

It was it was review trivia. Yeah, yeah. Your baby. And I want to do a similar thing with NBC and everything, but I just have... I think I'm going to do it for the players. But, you know, it was like... The response was so resounding. Everybody just wants to see more golf. Like nobody...

And maybe we're just in this Twitter echo chamber. Yeah. But like for the most part, I don't know, we seem like the kind of demographic that they're trying to court, you know, the younger generation, you know, all these people who just are going to actually tune in and watch golf. For decades.

Yeah. And it's like, you know, they're just totally pissing it away. And it's, you know, you're just totally pissing it away and It's you can't tell me that they don't have the the wherewithal to do it I mean you look at PGA tour live or you look at when they yeah When they televised, you know, some of those they did them a couple of years ago They did a couple times last year the the you know kind of the Spotlight coverage You know, kind of the spotlight coverage that the golf channel did and they showed three

or four holes and you get to see all these guys hit the same shot and you really get to judge their swing. But it's like, why can't we see that at a 13-T-get Augusta? They didn't show a single T-shot on 13-T-get Augusta on Sunday until the second to last group or the third to last group, which is just criminal. And you, you understand, I understand that covering golf tournaments hard,

we admit that we know that, but there are cameras out there for all these shots, all right? There's maybe is the same to say, 98% of the shots on the PJGA tour are recorded in some way. Like, nobody makes an A's Thursday morning and there's no footage of it. I feel like every shot is at least somewhat recorded. At this point, yeah, unless it's a couple of guys that got in and do a couple of draws in the first alternate, there's exceptions to the rule for sure.

There's no, you know, it's just so disrespectful to the viewer at this point for CBS to sit there and know that, you know, Westwood chipped in for birdie on, you know, I don't know if that was 14 or 17 or what, but like, and sit there for like 10 minutes, and not even acknowledge it. And we can hear the roars in the background. It's what frustrates me is they're more interested in telling their version of the story than letting the event happen, you know?

Or letting the story tell itself. In what world do I need to see a FedEx Cup update on the back nine on Sunday? Who in there, who is honestly like, man, this golf term is really good, but I have no idea where these players stand at this really arbitrary, just a point system in the middle of the scene. And then it's actually nothing. How often CBS shows the leaderboard? Oh, God. Just call a leaderboard up in the top right section of the screen

or the bottom left section of the screen and just have it up there. And why do I need to see Dancer? We're all out of the devices too. We know exactly what's the name. Dancer, the solo shots of Nancy Fowler too like what you can't put them in a corner give me a picture picture give me something the kind of the I think I'm so merciless with them too because they they it's like they choose to go to commercial break and then

they'll show two shots like and then all the music that they do all the lead-ins and lead-outs with the music that makes it ten times worse. That's what I'm saying is like it just feels like a just so narrow driven. Yeah it's just it's it's just it's just it's not designed for you and I it's not it's designed for the yeah the 55-year-old guy casually tunes in on the weekend and doesn't really pay that much attention to it but even then, I think that's the thing that gets me is everybody that I talk to, even my dad who really doesn't give that much of a shit about golf. Everybody I talk to is like, I'm turning into a golf firm to see golf shots. Not all putts either.

You don't have to show us all the putts. I don't care. There's just not enough interesting shots. And I tweeted out that I made a joke about McCord this weekend. A lot of people got on me that they like McCord, but I just drives me nuts when he like somebody hits a chip and it's like, oh, it's going to get up. It's going to get up. And he's talking the whole time on the balls rolling to the whole.

Who needs that? Who needs that? It's not funny. It's not informative. It's completely to try. I don't even mind McCord, but when CBS just tries to plug and play somebody else, like when Ferret leaves, they just plug and play somebody else or what. I think Oster House has sorely missed on the broadcast. It just seems like there's just not a whole lot of thought to, hey, maybe we need to make

more than just these subtle tweaks to our formula. Right. You know, there's just this overriding sense of arrogance, CPS, that's what gives me. All right, quickly, on the second part of the questions, we're approaching an hour here, but the roll back a ball initiative,

is this something Augusta should take up? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, nobody else had the balls to do it. At least at least the anchor, the anchor that's not even really a band is in effect now, but our longer things still do it. But yeah, right. And that's coming from saying, I mean, shit, I was a belly putter for a little bit there. I've been in the dark ages with putting, but I think at the end of the day, Jack's been right all the way around about it. If football is detrimental to the game right now, you roll the ball back to like, where

did we grow up? What did you play? Well, all I cared about was spinning the ball so I played tour for stages. I didn't care much as They were terrible golf ball Yeah, I mean you look at it like it was like Max fly revolution Tyler's tour professional 90 tour professional 100 tour for stage 90 or professional 100, toward prestige, precept came out for a little bit. You know, I mean, it's like back in the day, you could work the ball, there was more artistry. There's just so much more interesting stuff when it's like, I think that's why Wistling

Straight Slash Street was just such a bad tournament for me. Because it was just, it was like, there was no, there were no obstacles to you. You could take it over as far over a corner as you wanted to and there was, there was literally no downside to it. Yeah, there's no strategy to it. Yeah, just bomb and gals. I'm with, like, I'm fine with guys playing bomb and gals, but there needs to be enough punishment to make you think of it.

Yeah, it needs to be more equitable and there needs to be more courses out on tour like Harbor Town last week that incentivize the right stuff. Yeah, I'm with you. Can I run my tweet that I rejected my cell phone that I did tweet on Sunday that I was afraid to tweet we're an hour in so I feel safe saying it now. It was when Bernard Longer like ejected on number 3 I think he went way over the green or something. I think it was not the first mid-50s German to have himself to take himself out with one shot from close range. I didn't go for it.

You should have folded your hand. Also on a recent podcast, I won't say who, but somebody asked a fantastic question, and I was asked to remove it, but I'm going to ask it towards you instead. This is from NChainy3. His question is, what are your top weed names from Augusta National Golf Holes? My top three. Carolina Cherry, Chinese Fur, and Fire Thor. Shit, I got to look at the yellow jasmine should be in there. So we're basically guaranteeing that we're never getting press passes to it.

We've known this. Come on, we've known this. You don't have to answer that question. I just wanted to read that question. I would say, you know, looking at, it's not necessarily a whole name, but looking at the totality of Augusta, I would say maybe the Eisenhower tree is roll that joint in the Eisenhower tree. Eisenhower tree. Have you picked... Do you have any questions?

I have the flyer thorn there too. I don't know. Fire thorn. Fire thorn. Yellow jasmine. I don't have the list in front of me. But... Flowering crab apple?

Yeah. The stickiest of the icky. Yeah. Yeah. The stickiest of the icky. Yeah, yeah. That's... Do you have any questions that you flagged for many of those? Yeah, I've been blown away. Thank you everybody for the...

Yeah, this is awesome. This is... Makes it really easy. My preparation for this is basically non-existent. Yeah. Let's see here. Yeah, sorry. Let me take a sec to scroll through some of these.

Okay. Yeah, I figured we can, you know, let's just keep rolling, then we can cut out whatever we need to. Yeah. And what we want too long on. Yeah. Let's see. Your brother wants to know,

where's the Reds on Tour? He wants a top three perpetrator list. Neil Schuster. Where's the reds on tour he wants a top three perpetrator list Neil shoes. The first reds on tour. Cooters gotta be up there right? He's gotta be, yeah, just the khaki look. I would say Troy Merritt, that guy is just the shit that he wears is like unconscionable. It's really bad. He's mixing in these weird designs with like, like, almost like mid 2000s

furex style shirts. It looks like somebody sewed two patterns together and then he wears it. Yeah. Oh, it's bad. Yeah, so I'd say he's up there. Um, I'd like to make who else? JJ Henry's got to be up there. That purple lock hurdle that he wears is just God for safety.

I feel like you could mention JJ Henry in every podcast if you tried. Yeah, probably. I like it. You don't have any nice assay, don't say anything at all. I would say Robert Strab, I like the guy a lot, but he wears some pretty brutal stuff too. He wears a lot of purple too. You're against the purple overall, I feel like. I'm not against the purple, it's just the way they wear it.

If you wear it, I don't know, just in town, just in town. Somebody that's like with purple, like, like Tom Watson works purple a lot. Yeah. He's always been with Polo when it's looked good, you know? Kyle Porter wants to know, I think 8 to 10 is a lot to name, but he says, start a golf media company with 8 to 10 people. Pick anybody, tell me who and why, exclude all of us, Abbi. All of us meeting who? I don't know, I'd mix it tough.

I assume he means me, you and him. Unless he's really looking for a shout out, which I don't think is Kyle's style. I'm going to pick Lance Barrow. That was the worst part of the shot. I'm kidding. Really? I'm picking DJ for sure. DJ from PGA tour sounds like they're trying to do that with the whole scratch TV thing.

I'm picking, I don't know, that's a tough question. It's hard, well I was going to away from like the golf blogosphere guys, what not, because that's too easy to take your friends. But I would, I think the best way to phrase the question is like who, of people that are on networks, on TV, in our actual media or journalists, would you build around? Yeah, I would say, I don't know, I use to just totally dislike the guy, but I think Johnny Miller's fantastic. He entertained me. I think some varieties up there, he did a great job. I would bring somebody back in the mix, he's kind of arrogant. And I think I guess he kind of wore out his welcome at Golf Channel, but what's the guys need? He used to do all the interviews

show, like Golf Talk Live, it was Peter or something. Not a Peter, I have no ideas. Oh Al Peter Kessler Peter Kessler. Yeah, okay total blow-art But I felt like he actually asked good questions and he got people talking. I bet if I Somewhere I hope Peter's like listening to this podcast like 37 episodes in never like listen to everyone I can hour into it. Hey, I got mentioned Yeah, I got mentioned. I'm just throwing grenades at the guy. But yeah, I mean, you know, because I guess he got fired, one of the reasons he got fired was just going after Arnold Palmer so hard about Palmer's stance on that,

that dumb like ERC driver that Calli can't out with where like the coefficient of restitution was like point O2 above the limit or whatever where like Palmer like took this hard stance on that and Kessler's like went after him for it and then got Palmer like crying about like basically just kept asking questions about his wife passing away. Oh my god. Jesus man. And this is the guy you want? This is the guy in your list? I've got one more to learn.

But yeah, I feel like if you could just keep him in check, the guy's actually like really good golf mind. I feel like there's not enough shows fairies kind of filled that void, but like up until there the golf shouldn't let nothing There's just like a straight interview show just get guys talking about that's the best to yeah when you look guys just You know just telling stories look answering questions and then also You know just showing old old golf like I When they when they actually put on like Quote-un unquote classic golf. Yeah, I have an idea for that that I'm not going to shout into the public either because

I don't want anyone to steal it, but I'll remind, when we hang up here I'll tell you a great idea for that. We got a question from Mike Mazzer, sorry if I mispronounced that, M.A. is one, what can we do about the LP, C.P. heritage? I don't think we need to do anything about it. It's just kind of a sanctuary for those guys that might lack pop. I'm torn. Can we get it in front of the masters, though?

Yeah, but do you really want a super chill event? But would it be super chill if it was right before the masters? I feel like that's part of the reason why it is a super chill event. But all right so on the flip side do you want to go to Hilton head and just grind your balls on this? No. I mean I just it does I mean I get it's really close to Augusta and it makes sense but I mean I have a hard time getting up for it every week because you know there's some build up to Augusta and it just takes a lot out of you and yeah You're gonna kind of decompressing Yeah, I feel like they should do something where

It's like the week after the Wells Fargo. Yeah, I could see that that's that's close by yeah, that makes sense But probably too hot is that get too hot like in May? It's hot. Yeah And I feel like the show, I feel like the show should be, I don't know, the Houston Open is just kind of a fly in the Ordman. I don't understand why they go all the way over Houston. I'm back for Augusta. Yeah, schedule played out really weird this year.

It was, the Olympics kind of screwed everything up. That's going to be, it's going to be weird to see how that works every four years. But I think the Olympics is going to suck. Yeah, I think I'm going to be gone during it now that I look at my schedule and I was like, oh, it sucks, I'm gonna be gone. And I was like, you know what? I don't think I really care that much. I could change my mind on that, but I'm not too excited about it.

But all right, I'm gonna get you out on this, I have this on here. We're approaching DJ's record on longest podcast, but shoot, I just click, Josh Jones asked of all the guys in the current top 12 on the US Rattacup team, and I'll read them to you, who would you kick out of this group if you're forming your team? Speed, DJ, Bubba, Sneds, ZJ, Fowler, Mikkelson, Holmes, Reed, Haas, Keppka, Kisner.

How many of you might kick it out? Yeah. How many of you kicking out in who? I guess we're asking you to form your writer cup team. So I think some of that's just, all right. So the writer comes in, Hazel team. Hazel teamam in Minnesota. So I'm kicking out Snettaker.

Ooh, he's sports on the list. Yeah, I just don't think he's a killer. Okay. I like him a lot. I think he's a good guy. I'm kind of torn on Haas. Um, guys in ATN machine, but... I think, I think he's a good option at, at 12 if you don't have like, like an up and cut, like look at like, spieth and thirteenth presidents cup.

He was a perfect guy to take a flyer on. If you don't have a kind of guy like that, I'm finally filling in Haas in number 12. But I'm not thrilled going to battle with Bill Haas, you know? Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I think it would more depend on who I'm gonna put on a team that's not on there. Right. So.

I mean, I think you and I both would strongly consider putting D-Shambot on this team Probably booting either Kizner ha's JB Holmes sneds somebody in that way. The other thing is I don't know why they haven't made a bigger deal out of this but You know these young guys got a little bit more fresh experience with Team golf competitions and not just team golf just straight up match play competitions too. You know, with the Western AM, USAAM, you know, all that stuff where, you know, I feel like there should be more emphasis placed on that, no one how to play match play golf. Yeah. No, I agree.

I just, I don't know. I feel like when we look back at players' records and stuff, how much does Phil's record from the 2006 Ryder Cup matter? You know what I mean? It's just such a small sample over a really spread out period of time that, I mean, Ricky Fowler's never won a Ryder Cup match. Do you have any hesitation to put him out? You know four times the first two days? I don't yeah, I mean, but that's because I don't I just remember with Ricky The one year you stepped up in my opinion everyone remembers 2010 when he buried the last four holes to earn a half point But it's like I mean yeah, he still has never won a rider cut match

This is kind of shocking. Yeah, incredible. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. All right, I want to do a little rapid fire here. I got a few questions. All right, I've already decided this is going into two parts. So we got time to go ahead. So Soren Kelsen's lay up from 206 out in 13th fairway on Sunday in the most LPCP shot in Master's history.

That's from Charlie Ogburn. I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say Zach Johnson's entire catalog from whatever year that was he won. I've kind of banished it from my memory. He was blocked out too wasn't he? I think he was either. Yeah it was just it wasn't. I mean it's so in Keltz and it's not like the guys a bomber. I'm willing to so it's funny every time I go out and play golf now If I lay up people I mean literally it's like but in my opinion It's not laying up if you can't if you can't physically get there right? it's not about playing outside of your ability,

your ability as a player. You know, you don't have to reach for driver on every single hole. The whole point, in my opinion, of no laying up is like, if you're presented with, if you have the chance to do it and you have the ability to do it, it's about embracing that, you know, like not worrying about what could go wrong with it

and just going for it. It's not yeah, anytime I take iron off the tee now, it's like oh whatever happened no laying up. It's like I can't drive a 360 yard hole like I'm not laying up. Yeah. Exactly. So yeah, so like, you know, I was out on Saturday and these guys were like, you know, cool guys. They were like, they were like, oh you hit an iron off the seat. I was like, yeah, like I'm not, it's a 390 yard par four. Like I'd rather have a, I'd rather have like a full, you know, full way like we're downwind. I'd rather have a full way to do my hand. Yeah, of course.

Hold an iron iron. And, and then I hit driver off the deck on the next hole. And they're like, dude, you on the next hole and they're like, dude you're so far out, I'm like, because I, that shot just fits my eye. You know how many you love it? It's not about being an idiot though, it's about, you know, you can be smart and not lay up. I guess is my point there. Let's see here. This is from DC3 tweets. Most inexcusable offense. Golf shoes is a spectator

or sandal golf shoes as a player. I think I have a confession to make. I think this will feel a lot better once I've said it. Do you know the same golf shoe? No, I'd most definitely not. I don't know if it's better or worse, but I have worn golf shoes to a golf tournament before the spectator. Feels good to finally say it, but my only excuse I'm making for myself is you have did not ever attend the Memorial Tournament in the late 90s in early 2000s when it rained for six straight days and it's just mud everywhere and you have wiped out you do need some traction in those in the in the walkways because they get so mad at down so muddy that yeah I've done it before I'm sorry I have now if it Why wouldn't you wear like LLB boots or something like that?

Because you need the tracks you need to be actually be able to grip. If there's any slope you're going down at all Like people there's certain spots where you can see where people have just slid There's people people camp out and they just what they drink and watch people slide down hills Like up here comes one here comes woman and heels Oh, I know I remember the Presence cup. Yeah exactly So I can I can also will accept the presence cup too. Yeah, exactly. So I can also, we'll accept the argument of wearing like soccer cleats.

Like that would actually work too as well. But sometimes you just need to wear an old pair. I think I've done that before too when I was like a kid. But an old pair of cleats to get some grip when it's really raining, pissing sideways and just mud everywhere. And like the memorial, Mirfield is like stadium seating, like there's hills around all the greens and stuff, so there's slope everywhere you go.

So yeah, sometimes you do need a little traction. Now again, if it's 75 and sunny, don't ever wear golf shoes as a spectator. But I feel like anybody that ever wears them gets just gets thrown in that bucket, and it's a bit unfair. I got to say it I mean really the only person I've ever seen where the sandal golf shoes was like Paul Stankhouse I think I think he was an endorser for them recent unfalower of no laying up actually too

So yeah, he's checking get out of here sto. Get out of here with your sandals, golf sandals. I'm not bitter. I was kind of a dark time for the tour. I was like, guys like Scott McCarran and Scott for Plank made a career out of, you know, they got me like $28 million. One point, as of like two years ago, he was like the 20th highest earner in PGA tour history or something like that. Something absolutely ridiculous like that. Yeah, it's mind blowing. That's that. So no, I like David Tombs, but. Seventh of all time or something like that.

So much money. It's insane. Tiger tax men. Tiger tax. Thank you. Thank you, Big Randy. But no, no excuse ever for Sandal golf shoes ever, ever, ever.

No, can't be done. Let's see here. That's really, should we have 10 new notifications too. Who would you like to see on the podcast? Me, you guys can meet? OK. Yeah, yeah. The ultimate goal, I feel like the best possible person to get on, combining the most interesting person with somebody

who I think would give good answers would be Rory. I think he'd be awesome guy to really dig down, chat and kind of figure out. Cause I feel like he gives good answers to questions, but like people in press conferences just don't, I don't know, you don't get a chance to have, you know, an hour long conversation with them. A guy I'd really like to get those bones bones to tell Phil's stories for an hour would be

the dream. What do you think? Any top three? I would get Jim Thorpe. I think he would be strong. Quite strong. Is he in jail? Or is he at?

How's his tax evasion going? He went to jail and he's back out on the senior tour. Is he back? Well, but He's he's out there. Okay. He's doing it. Yeah, you know scroll to these questions most of the stuff we got was Was either culture related? How lame or sketchers golf shoes or which I think we need to call them out too because they just straight up ripped off torso.

Yeah, they kind of did, didn't they? Well, I don't like to even admit that because we're associated with like sketchers but now,, it's bullshit. That was bullshit. Yeah, that's inherently disrespectful. You gotta give Bridgestone a little credit for their move. After I photoshopped the Fanny Pack on Coochery,

them sending me a sign, dozen golf balls, signed by Matt Coochery, a head cover, signed by Coochery, and a Fanny Pack. They went out and bought a Fanny Pack. I'm sorry, that was expert level trolling by. Her name's Jordan Wink at Bridgestone. That was Kucherose, that's props. I wonder if Kucher was in on that.

I wonder if he knew, if he knows who you are, probably. He has to. Did you, did Bubba see you guys at where you're going up gear at all on Monday? At the Masters? I'm trying to think it was crazy. I mean people came up to us and we were we had the hats on and we were wearing the black black dry fits and It was funny because we were a gust of clinch club afterwards and I think we're like the only people ever in a club house without

color shirts People are just looking at us like we had three heads. But yeah, I mean that was a great scene over there. But I mean so many guys came up to us, Marley. Well, are you guys just like the Nolay? Like, do you guys buy that stuff from Nolay up? We're like, we're a couple of those guys and they were like, and then the one guy says, he's like, are you Tron Carter? You got recognized.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm Tron. You know, it's like, it's like when Jeff Shackleford, he's aggregated a couple of our pieces and he's like, yeah, as Carter points out, like it's like Carter's like, it's like I'm a real person. He has an actual name, It's not John Carter. People I wonder the percentage of people that

think your name is really John Carter. That's the best part like people people people just take it in face value. What is the story behind I mean though I know the story behind that. It's just the Shepel show character. Is this last name Carter too though? I know it's Tron, there's a Shepel show. Okay, okay. I thought you'd like combine. I feel like when's the lottery? He's like the world-beary or the... Oh.

He's the dice game. Pleads the fifth too. Yeah, he pleads the fifth. The fifth. He's making... Fifth. Fifth. He's making juice.

That's right. That's right. He's a mad real world? The mad real world, yeah. He was a mad real world. That was that was that was. That was that was. That's making juice. That's right. That's right. He's a mad real world. The mad real world. Yeah, he was a mad That's my favorite Tron Carter Yeah, it's funny a lot of the values questions we've gotten or stuff that You know people are asking about fashion stuff like one guy said when can we expect a house of Tron fashion piece for

For men only you so I may have to Are we made you confession to my wife here soon or something? You know might be too much of a sort of I don't I don't I can people look at us as fashion experts I I have I guess they look at me just because I bitch about cultures thread so much and then and the Spees belts. It's like I'm no room to talk because I think I was like years behind the white belt going out of style. I didn't really play golf anymore so I haven't bought new golf clothes in forever and it's

kind of my only option so I just like stop playing golf now because I don't want to wear the white belt out playing golf. I didn't know the white belt was ever in style. It may not have been. I'm not a silo expert in the least, but you're talking to a guy who played ban and dunes a few years ago wearing like the all-blue Dustin Johnson jumpsuit and thought it looked really good looking back at pictures that's quite regrettable. That's

like it was my birthday a couple weeks ago and my parents were like what do you want for your birthday? I got I asked for Tom Doak's confidential guide to golf courses. I highly recommend that it's sweet. The guy just you want to talk about hot golf architecture takes. The guy just shits on people. It's great. Um, but also I got I asked for a a gator, you know, alligator leather belt, you know, because I was like me and like I go out and play with people and if I'm wearing just some some kind of average looking belt people are gonna judge this shit out. Yeah, you said that everybody else on their belt. You set the bar high. You know, Everybody else on their fellow. You set the bar high

Absolutely, yeah, so we're not you're not allowed to wear like shitty belts and you're not allowed to lay up ever Basel based on our internet personas, so exactly All right, man This is the record. I think you b.j.s record and long podcast and all you history off to make this two parts Anyone's to listen out there. We have got I've tweeted several links to it. We've got a lot of fresh gear in our pro shop. If you ever want to thank us for doing all these free ad free podcasts, go online, check out the new hats Todd took care or Tron, sorry, took care of the hats and they are, they're awesome, they're fresh. I've got mine. I think mine just got delivered today, I haven't picked it up yet, but a lot of good stuff going on in the pro shop.

And then yeah, keep telling us, keep giving us feedback of what you want to see in the pro shop or what we can improve upon as far as, you know, like, I don't know, I didn't put it for whatever reason, I didn't put no laying up on our hats. I just felt like the tour saws logo kind of stood out on itself, but, but, you know, people have been resounding and saying that there should be some text on the hats. I mean, keep that stuff coming. We, we will, we do listen. Yeah.

Yeah, we would. And it's well, it's very helpful. If you guys leave reviews and comments on the iTunes page for this podcast, it helps it become, like, help people recognize it, and we appreciate your feedback too. A lot of people have commented on the audio issues. We're aware of it. Unfortunately, recording overseas, I'm very limited to my options to record these things, but I appreciate the feedback.

All the questions, we couldn't do this without all that. So much love and appreciation for that. And lastly, just want to give a shout out to Adam Sarsin of the of the Shaq House podcast. Yes, Adam Sarsin of the Shaq House podcast also of no laying up.com. Yeah, apparently. So all right, Sean, thank you for the time, man. We'll have to do this definitely before two more years go by again. So hope so. Yeah, apparently so all right, Sean. Thank you for the time and we'll have to do this definitely before two more years go by again So hope so yeah, absolutely love to all right, buddy. Talk to you soon. Peace out Be the right club today club today. That is better than most.

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