No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 371: Every hole at Augusta National with Matty Kelly (Marc Leishman's caddie)

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

Matty Kelly has caddied in many Masters, and he sits down with us in advance of next week's event to go through his yardage books, talk about each hole, how they play it, how Bryson might play it, and a ton of other great Augusta nuggets along the way. This one was a blast, and it will give you a ton of things to get excited about in advance of next week.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast, Sully here, joined shortly here by TC and Maddie Kelly, who of course caddies for Mark Leishman. Maddie's good friend of ours here. He lives in Pontavidra and we've got to know him a lot over the years.

Great to always give us little nuggets about the golf course and sat down with us for well over an hour going through his yardage book. Yardage books, I should say, from Augusta National talking about how they play each whole, some of the considerations gives you just a ton of stuff to look out for when the master's hits your television screens next week. This got me in a super golf movie. Matthew Fitzpatrick was a bit of an appetizer in terms of looking in his yardage book. It's funny to hear kind of some of the same things confirmed with

Maddie and leash. And I can't think of him enough for spending the time to walk us through all this and share just a ton of really cool nuggets about Augusta National. One of course, welcome back a partner of ours, Elijah Craig. As we do ramp up things up here for Masters week, I have got plenty of Elijah Craig, bourbon, stash. We'll be having some of that on the live shows that'll be coming to you next week. I hope you know this.

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Kentucky 47% alcohol by volume. Elijah Craig reminds you to think wisely, drink wisely. Here is our podcast with Maddie Kelly. Gosh. all right. So many questions. Yeah, like where do I start? First question, like where do you stay? So there's a couple of caddies in our joke,

caddies for Ricky Fella, Sam, caddies for Cameron Smith. We've rented the same house now for, this'll be at least six years, seven years, and it's literally between, well, our entrance and our parking is, so this is the house and between our entrance is the parking lot for the caddies.

So we do draw of it, but it's literally half a mile from the entrance. But yeah, same house, we've got a good relationship with them now. The process stepped up gradually. We're getting on a little bit now, it's getting close to like, oh, you can cap that if you want.

If your player does well, do they start like, ah, he's made some money. Love that, yeah. They're definitely looking at results. I feel like we're up to about, it's about six and a half grand now. I think we pay for the week. But we can probably still scream and deal with it. Yeah, it is good. And it's so, we know exactly what we're getting with the house. It's not, it's nothing flash, but it's, it's perfect for us. It's like the last thing you want that week is a very... You don't have to deal with, yeah, we know exactly, we got the case from the Caddy Masters, it's friend of the The Onus

and it's all, we know exactly what we're getting, where it is. And as you say, it's a last thing you want to deal with, it's just finding a new house or a hotel and not know how long it's gonna take to get there. Oh, that's all stuff. So, you know, it's good. So then you get there and you go,

Are you on eggshells from the beginning? Is there more comfort that comes going there year every year? Yeah, I think the comfort definitely comes. Like this will be Marx, maybe eighth or ninth, master's now. We always call it the best week of the year, but yeah, you get that nerve.

It's a funny nervous, but it's more anxious, I guess, to get out there and get started just because it's, you know, everyone's a favorite event almost. And we always get there the Sunday and usually play nine holes. This year we're not going to do that. We have to get tested for the COVID test and all that stuff. We'll get that done Sunday and then attack Monday. We always feel like you can almost put anyone who's just watched the event and any part

of that golf course, you know, exactly where to miss it, where to hit it, what slopes you can use, roughly how far you got. So I feel like people almost wear themselves out. And that event early in the week, they're so excited, most excited you're gonna be for a practice round all year. And then you get to Thursday and you definitely jacked up, but it's, you can be flat.

So yeah, we're gonna try and just ease into it a bit more this year. When you show up, do you go straight to, I mean, gosh, you had to get like a biometric scan. And to go get your caddy too. Like, yeah, so Mark's the agency sends in, well, I think if you've been before, they just use the same one,

but you go to, I think it's gate four, just on Washington Road for the caddies, and it's like an airport security, yeah. You show, you're too credentialed when you first show up, and that gets you to the caddy, and they'll someone will come meet you and take you get your credential for the week. And then if you've been before, they'll have your overall size and all that sort of stuff ready to go and then pick up your yardage book and stuff that week.

Yeah, from there. How are the overalls? Terrible. You don't like them. We love them. You wear the no-brake shirt. Well, yeah, yeah. It's one of those.

They're not comfortable with what it means. But it's the event. like for any other event, it wouldn't work, but you'd have to iron them for the masses. But it might be nice for a November one. It might be a little warmer. Definitely, I think it'd be much nicer. So.

Oh, so you get a new Yardage book every time. We're going to get into some of the details of the Yardage book. But do you go and then translate your prior of your notes into the new yardage book? How much of that stuff do you need to have written down to really remember it? I think it was 19.

We had to, they changed the rules on the sides of the yardage books and the green, the pictures of the greens in the books. So everything had to be transferred because those previous years books weren't, I think you can use them for approach shots and stuff like that. But now that you know that I use them for green reading.

So to make, to get rid of any sort of accident that could happen, we just transfer to every single note over. Are they calling out changes to the course on the New Year's Yard's book? They don't, apart from like the fifth tea last year that changed, obviously a dramatic difference. They don't, they definitely, like when you check in, they won't tell you what's changed, what's happened. I'm sure they'll put any significant change in the book,

but they kind of just do it so quietly. Well, as we got it, you gotta find it. You gotta find it, yeah, for sure. Do caddies talk to each other, like, hey, do you notice this? Yeah, yeah. Do you find yourself, like, imagining something? Like, was that tree there?

Well, that's the thing, like, you almost convince yourself stuff's gonna happen before it even happened. Like, have they flatten this part of the grain? Cause this part doesn't seem to break, is maybe the greens are just faster or, you know, so you just, yeah, it changes you to here and stuff like that. But yeah, you're definitely like here, almost over-analysed every single inch of the property.

Well, it might be the only place that can just drop a tree in somewhere if they want to. Yeah, exactly. It's, no one else really has the budget to just drop a tree in somewhere if they want to. Exactly. It's no one else really has the budget to just look at. I know, all of a sudden we're going to do this, this and this. Exactly. The secret of nature of it is what I find, you know, every player I've talked to about this upcoming master's just seems to be at a total, I don't know.

The people are arguing about whether or not there's going to be a new T on 13. I'm still not knowing. The images are not, unless they did it super secretive in the last week. There was no new thing. I think they said they're not only as they're not gonna be this year, it's not gonna be for April. I believe they're.

Yeah, because you go on Google Earth and they're still, they haven't done it yet. Well, I don't know how uptighted the Google Earth is but there's been planes flying over with images that show the 13th team. They show the road back there, but there is no new team back there. So, but yeah, I don't know if they're gonna,

some people are throwing out ideas, like move the tee further left, maybe might plant some trees down the left to prevent what Bryson might potentially do. So they do have, they really don't have to move that tee that much. If they just use the left side of that tee and what they actually have,

there's a limb that has a cable tied to it. And in the practice rounds, what a time, they'll have that really tied and the limb kind of sits way more upright. And then you get in the tournament and they've loosened it down. It sits like this a little bit. Oh my God.

So if they just use a left side of that tee, now you can't take that. I mean, you can, I guess, if you've got, if you've that ballsy to take that on, yeah, you can, but now it becomes almost like a hook, like a 10, if they just use a left side of that tee. And I'm sure, but now it becomes almost like a hook, like on tan, if they just use the left side of that tea. But I'm sure that if they do move it, they'll move it 5, 10 yards, maybe, and be a totally

different hole. Tyred back ribs. What other stuff you got like that? How much do you love the fact that there's no greenering books? Well, I was actually thinking of, I don't, do they even, has there ever been one? I don't think they exist. I don't think they've let anyone on site to do it. Embrace and his putting stats at Augusta are far worse

than anyone's. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I don't think they should be around anyway, but I love it. I don't think, especially for that place when the parts are so severe, it's almost like, that's what makes the parts so hard is because the gear looks really severe and it's probably a two or three degrees slope

Who really knows but the guys who do the aim point train themselves to do all that and That's fair play to them they can they can do that but yeah, no book. I like I like the idea of no greens books What what so this has been a a weird year for everyone But weird year for for you and your guyesh, like what's it been like? What's it like, catting for a guy when his game is not fully there? How much has that changed your job? That's definitely, I mean, it's a lot harder, obviously. And then the thing with Mark and I was with such good friends

at, let's go to the point, I mean, he's definitely taking straw. He's hitting and he's, because he played great in the before, right? Yeah, he was off to a strong side. And I think that honestly, that's not that you just expect a shot and have that ready to go again, but it was such a severe drop off

that his confidence took a hit. But he's striking, definitely, on the improve. And it's just a confidence thing and cause we're such good friends. It got to the point where you just, I just feel, you feel bad, like I can see him putting in work and not seeing results. And it's, yeah, it's hard because you just want just want as a friend, you just want to just see him.

Because it affects a rob on site and it affects your whole week. If Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I don't go well and then have a bad Thursday the rest of the weekends, like a such a drag. So it's hard and you don't like seeing your friend like that. And then as a caddy, it's like, it's financial stuff. It's all everything that comes like that. And then as a caddy, it's like, it's financial stuff. It's all everything that comes with that. So for me, we had such a good start to the year that I just, it hurts to see your friend struggling and being so down on himself. But honestly, I think going to Augusta getting those juices back and going to somewhere we've played

a bunch, you have to be very precise around there. But I think also you can almost fake it if you're short games good enough. If you know where to miss it, you can use the slopes from bunkers around the greens and all that sort of stuff. And if you're sure it gains good enough. If you know what I miss it, you can use the slopes from bunkers around the grains and all that sort of stuff. And if you put it well enough, you can get yourself in there with a chance in the weekend and then hopefully take over. Yeah, because I feel like with some of the speed

who hasn't hit it great over the last three years, but you can show up at Augusta and kind of feel his way around it. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it feels like every year at Augusta, it's not all about precision golf swings, it's not precision golf because it's such a feel place with the slopes, the elevation changes, and all of the different shots that are required there. It's not like just hit stock golf shots everywhere, and that can help someone that maybe

not faking it, but not coming in swinging his back. Definitely, I think you're exactly right. Yeah, like, holes like 12. If you're two back and then you get that back right pin on Sunday and it's time to try and hit one and then you're swinging it bad, it's gonna probably catch up to you. But, I mean, I think everyone would sign up to be two back on Sunday. So, like you say, and you can use so many slopes around the greens in a guest. It is definitely precision, but if you're not exactly

100% on, you can kind of get away with it a little bit. How much does the course evolve as the week goes along? I get frustrated that because everyone loves the sub air talk. The year Patrick Reed, allegedly one, we were in the last group with him on Saturday and it was first two days was so perfect. It was firm, it was fast, Mark was playing good, we were, I don't know if we were tied lead, one back two back, but we're in the last group and then we got a little bit of rain and the course just totally, it was not marshmallows, but it was so, so different and it's not an excuse, it's up to us to adapt,

but most years it goes from pretty firm, and then you'll get a scoreable either Saturday and then Sunday set up for drama, obviously. So almost the opposite of a US Open, where you'll see a score early, and then it gets harder and harder, it's get yourself in the tournament and then see what can happen on the weekend, gonna do.

Because the sub-air doesn't get used nearly as much as people think it gets used, right? Or does it have as much of an impact when it gets used? Yeah, I think it helps if like, it gets a ton of rain the week before and you want to get it to playable. I don't think when you get rock hard

and then you get a little bit of drizzle and the dew points, not quite right or whatever it is, it just doesn't seem to suck as much of the moisture out. But yeah, I don't think it has a... I mean, yeah, it has an effect if it's really wet and gets it to somewhat dry, but it's getting that lost a little bit out of it, and I think it does a whole lot.

How often do you think that, okay, you at least just had some success at the Masters and had a really good run in 2013, which is not very well, honestly, until I looked it up today, I didn't realize that you played the par-fives one over on the back. And if he plays it, you know, obviously, Scott and Cabrera birdied the 18th,

but if he birdies the par-fives on the back, he'd have been right there in it. Yeah. What, I don't know what my question is related to that, but how often do you think back to 2013? There's one, the 11th hole there is, whenever I think about Goster's, the one memory I'll think of of that year Mark made like a

25 30 footer and cause the crowd so far back they're behind the 12th tee You could hear it even though I'm 20 feet from the hole I can hear it rattle around before the crowd reacts So that's a cool memory I have from that day and then the path of thing we had six on into 13 I think we had like four on into 15 and it's what makes those path of so good you still got to execute We had six on into 13, I think we had like four on into 15. And that's what makes those pop off so good. You still go to execute.

But he was also playing the Wendee event. He wasn't trying to just blast it over the ground on 15 and take your chance to get up and down. He's like, I need to make three. So I try to do it, didn't pull it off. I think we buried 13. And Darlene. Didn't bury 13.

You buried nine and 11 on Sunday. You parted 13 and bogeyed 15. I mean, 15. Yeah, so that was, but I think back, my memory of the leash on 15, what year was that? 2018? Was that last year with the, the four iron? Oh, was it? Take us to that shot. Slinging is, yeah, with Flamin' Targaryen, Tommy Fleetwood. We were on the left side of the 15 fairway and we'd actually talked about it, maybe not that week, that year, but the year before, because the grandstand right on the green is perfectly such about it, maybe not that week, that year, but the year before, because the grandstand right

of the green is perfectly such, like it, if that's where you want to hit it, but they've got the grandstand there. So we always said, if we're on the far left, you could almost just hit it out on the 7th, 8th, t and you're gonna get your drop either side of the grandstand and then you got a pretty easy chip, not easy chip, but it's just a feat.

See these are things the guys think about. Feed down to the pin. So sure enough, we didn't left side and we got a firebind. Mark does this sort of stuff on the range too where he can hit a, he does bubber stuff where he hits 50 yard cuts and hooks. Doesn't really do it on the golf course, but this was the perfect chance. And we're like, mate, if it goes straight, that's fine. So it's like, alright, and then he hit this unbelievable looking shot, but it sort of dips

in the animal, oh, that's got to go. And you can see on the coverage it lands right in the upslope and takes all the heat off it and just trickles around to five feet. And then Markleware sells a story that he hit his shot and he's kind of running around to see it where it is and saw that it landed. It's on land and then Tiger says,

well, I guess I ain't fucking laying up now. He's like Batlander mate, the Cardi's maybe one inside the cut line and I can't remember where he hit a bit of yeah That's tight. That was a Lannops. I never heard that part of the story. That's pretty cool. What's it like playing with Tiger at a master's? Yeah, I mean, it's always I mean it I said we played with them the last round of the US open up pebble And I remember him walking off the first tee.

It's just like no matter what happens today, it's going to be a cool day. Because he's my hero. Like golf hero. That's hard to beat any day with him. But then you're seeing him play that golf course and times of success, obviously, in the way. But he does it at every golf course. He hits the right or whatever the shot calls for.

He tries to hit him, tries to pull it off. And the way he places his ball around there, it's cool to watch. You guys play with him a lot. Yeah, we went through a stretch there. He hasn't been as much lately, but yeah, we went through a stretch. Whatever year that was, it was the 17 or 18 him and Tommy. And then that year, we just happened to get both of them at the same event. But yeah, Tommy Fleet wouldn't target.

It was every other week. Because it doesn't seem to bother Leish playing with around that mayhem, I don't know, obviously there's no crowds this year, but like it doesn't, he seems to just be unflavable. Yeah, I don't know if it's because he's done it so much now or, but he's always kind of just thriving that. He's rookie year, we play with Tiger

in the last round of the BMW, and that's what got us in the Tour of Jammageship and effectively won in the rookie the year and shot a Bergey free, $2.3 under whatever it was. So he likes it, he chats to him the whole time and tries to get comfortable that way. And now that, I mean, it must be 20 or 30 times I've played together now.

So, you know, Tigers donated to Mark's foundation, start for auctions, and so they somewhat friends. Yeah, so cool. Doesn't bother me at all. A quick break here to remind you guys that no laying up is brought to you by precision pro golf. We are of course deep in our Taurus sauce season season six of the Oregon season if you're listening to this episode That means episode five Pacific Dooms narrated by Neil Schuster is live

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as a caddy that like you don't, do you ever like, there's certain guys you would speak to first during a round of golf and like is Tiger one of them. Like would you say something to Tiger during the round? No, no. No. There's almost no one that, apart from him that you're not scared to talk to. He's like you one that, apart from him,

that you're not scared to talk to. He's like, you don't want to get in his way or upset he's routine. It's, yeah, he's about the only one. It feels kind of up there as well. You just don't want to, especially at a place like a gustor, and it's like, you're not going to walk,

I'm saying, hey, hey, talk it up with you. We were saying this. Like, so yeah, but anyone else, I guess they just don't really have that aura about him like that it loads to do. The Fienal story from last year's masters is great. I came up to him on seven and was like, hey, Tiger, how the kids, and he's just like, they're good.

It's great. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this.

We're not doing this. For the week, do you mostly cook and hang out at the house? Yes. The house we have has like, I think, maybe two or three years after we started staying there, they put it back deck in. So they've got a, I don't know, 15, 20 foot deck at the back with the grill and we do a fresh market run early in the week and stock up and cook every night. And then on site, are you, so in that little,

in that new, our new-ish kind of caddy. Caddy era, yeah. Like, is new-ish kind of caddy. Caddy era. Yeah. Like, it's just loaded up with chicken salad sandwiches. There's a fridge for sandwiches and the separate fridge for drinks and stuff, but then they also have a kitchen so that they can make it whatever you want. And then they have a buffet of food. They look after us so well there.

And then they have maybe five, six reclanners, three or four TVs, they do the coverage of like 15, 16, 17, or whatever, 13, 14, 15. They're not back nine, they're all different. So in that shack there, you can just go sit in a recliner, right on the range there and just hang out. Sometimes honestly, like, even when I have a one o'clock table, it's fun to get there at nine. And just chill and hang out and then say,

we're on come and go, yeah, that's the best week for us, Bufa. Do you ever watch like early coverage of a tournament to see how putts are break in or see where guys are missing things? Yeah, definitely. You can pick stuff up pretty easily on TV. Yeah. He'll text me and be like,

do watch out for this today. And I'll stop here clearly watching some events more than others, but that one, yeah. And part of it's just watching the monsters too. Being a golf nut, you just kind of want to watch it anyway. I think as much information you can get, it's always helpful. It's up to you whether you use it or not,

but definitely get as much as you can. We were talking about this with Mathets Patrick as well, but looking at the, there's a data golf article that talks about experience at Augusta and how there does seem to be a true eight or ninth year, tenth year of experience, like guys, really do perform that much better. Do you see why and what can what do you attribute that to? Probably the aura kind of way of Augusta wears off at that point or maybe a little bit for that but then but just learning

everything you possibly can about that play. It's no you no chance to do it in the first even first two years. There's so much you're trying to learn. And then once you do learn, putting it into play and not being nervous to do it and all that's like getting out of the first tee and hitting the appropriate shot, even though you feel like the last thing you want to do is just don't top it or don't look, you can't feel your hand like then it becomes all right. Now I feel comfortable enough to actually go and try and do what I'm supposed to do rather than just get it in play. But one said something that like I still think about every time somebody plays 16, which is that for whatever reason, like when the pressure's on down there, people always go long.

I'm not if I, it's like, he's like, I don't know what it is, there's a lot of people down there, there's no oxygen, but it goes long and it took forever for us to put it into play. Do you, one specific to that, do you have anything that you guys do there on 16 or do you have your own little things there? It's kind of like you know what I can't explain this but it's been like this every time. No, I kind of feel the same way with 12. I think that just play really short. The bug going back to 13 Jason day hit it over that green and I think he bogey 16 and 17 for Adam to end up End up eventually winning but yeah if we're ever even close to between clubs

It's almost if it's almost just a club less for us anyway if it's a perfect seven on yardage will probably hit a heart eight Just because and just because long so yeah, it's tragic over there So and they're the same with 12 especially the right pin jick almost you know, but not trying to hit it pin high Anyway, just trying to get it over those bunkers somewhere there So you just and but that seems to play really short as well. And left pin, you're kind of just going straight out anyway. And long been okay. So no, there's nothing that we, there's nothing. I mean, I listened to that positive.

He did it. It gives you like almost chills when you feel in the close after doing that. It's, that's cool. It's fine. It's part of make what makes our job so cool. If you can work out something like that and put it in play and it affects the result. It's good feeling. You get more and more valuable year after year two

because it's not only the player's experience, it's also your experience with him and you can call back on those shots. I think so. And it's so hard for the blood. They got so much to worry about golf swing. And so if it's up for us, if we can take their mind off where

that what how far the pins on or what where they're supposed to hit it when not supposed to hit it that sort of stuff kind of got them properly around that place then and until you see someone or go through it yourself hitting it where you really not supposed to and realize and how bad it is so it takes a while but then yeah so if you can take if you can give the player a bit more, take his mind off that sort of stuff, that's, I think, becomes a lot more valuable. I don't remember where to attribute this quote to originally, but something along the lines of,

you don't read the greens at a gust, you learn them. Do you think that's inaccurate? You're nodding your head as if that's accurate, but yeah, yeah. You remember things more often than you do, seeing it with your eyes for it. I think so, yeah.

And Mark's very, Mark's very, like he'll come back to me after either making him, and he's like, had that part in the past and I did this and ended up making this year stuff like that. And I think, and going back to like the Greens book, I mean, because of this no Greens book, you have to learn them rather than just saying, oh, this is 2% slow, two inches out,

so like whatever, you know, learning them from your approach shots, too, is very valuable. Interesting. More so than other golf courses. I think so. Yeah, just because the mess is so severe, or the bad mess is so severe, and getting it to a position that it becomes an easy par is pretty valuable. How is the prep in this year with, you know, like, schedule being different?

Yeah, we, the only thing we changed, we were kind of 50-50 on playing this week, didn't want to be on a narrow plane, be it restaurants, just simply because of the COVID testing. And it's the one, wait, I mean, knock on wood, hopefully we don't test positive at all, but we just thought if you at least at home and control your environment a lot more, the last thing, I mean, so it's going to happen to someone. I mean, so it's gonna happen to someone. I mean, hopefully it doesn't, but if they test positive this week, it's gonna suck.

And I don't know what the, do they extend an invite then for April to that person? I don't know how that all works. You'd like to hope they think they do, but who knows, it's a guster. So that's what I was, yeah. We sat you on the other side of the table to make sure it's like

yeah, just like it would kill me. One could be the case, but you read diving the yardage book here. These are all right. I want we are going to go. I don't know if we're going to do every hole, but I wouldn't I'm not going to stop you if you're if you're able to do every hole. I think before we get there, tell us like what's what's Mark's most comfortable shot shape? And... Yeah, so with Alliance, he works at both ways. When he's playing well, generally, works at both ways pretty easily. Always likes to hit whatever that... I think playing with Tiger has taught him,

you just hit whatever the shot calls for, and if you can do it, obviously, if you're not feeling it that way, then you might change things, but then off to T with his driver, it's a fade. But he can work his three wood both ways. So do you see the rate to, is it like, do you need to move it right to left at a gustor? I think it helps a little bit.

I think it's negated if you can hit it high. Okay. 10 obviously you need to 13. 13, there's still room to hit a little cut there if you need to. It'll help to hit a draw around that corner no doubt. Who's the one that always comes to mind for me? Yeah, and when we first started going that, it wasn't a big issue because you couldn't reach those bongers almost.

Now that everyone can, you kind of got to hit it left of those bongers, but if you can hit it high enough, you're over the trees and you can almost fade it down there as well. Four tains won, actually. You do need a slight draw there because the fairway is so't it the other way, just to hold the fairway. This year I think it will be soft enough that it won't really make a big difference. So you get a new yardage book when you check in every year and then you bring your old ones just to translate all the notes because I see we're on the first hole here looking at it.

And you've got a lot of numbers written down here. So you go day by day and say this was my number. It looks like you have a front number and then it's like 30 paces on for number one. You get that 185. You jot down what club you hit and that's all just so you had this encyclopedia of data to work back on. Yep, exactly. And it said it'll say what round we played, where the wind was.

I'll just draw an arrow, I don't write it south, whatever. The strength of the wind out of five always write either one or two out of five, three to five, where it landed and then where it finished. So you can work out how far they're releasing with that cloud. That is. And then you go, I see some numbers here like next to some sprinkler heads where you're charting, I imagine you do this in practice rounds going and checking what the actual slope yardages are.

So how far up it plays? We're in meters too, so... Oh gosh. You'll see all that yardage numbers first, converted to meters, and then you're up three, up five from the back of the bunker. So how do you convert to meters in real time? Just in my head. I've done it for so long now.

I don't know if I've gust it, I was actually, but most every other event has meters books. And then the guys usually carry either a chart, but we're within one every time. I don't know if 143 yards is exactly 130 meters, but it's no more than one, it's either 129 or 131 if it's wrong. So, you get that front number.

You translate to meters. You add, you take the yardage that it's on, and then you translate that to meters, and then that's how you end up with your meter yardage. All within, it's all gotta happen pretty quickly. Wow. All right, so T-Shot on one. So I'm seeing like 309 yardage carry 276

to reach those bunkers. How do you guys get around the teach item one? So like I said earlier, like that didn't use to be a big deal because we could barely get, I mean, it's normal into the win that's your first time in the day. We normally used to be hit at maybe middle of that bunker to 90-ish to 95. And now you'll see a lot of three woods nowadays.

It's actually gotten more narrow because like the run out left is way more in play. We can't carry that three on our mugger. It's kind of right in the middle for us. Three wood leaves is a long way in and driver. We have to really hit a shape and you're hearing how confident you are. That seems like an uncomfortable show. Yeah, it is.

That's the thing with the whole Bryson talk, there's no doubt it's going to be in advantage. That's just how it is. Well, one of the things I wanted to do on this whole by the whole is like, all right, you're also counting for bracelet. Yeah. What's he doing here? His line is going to be something that I've never even thought about. Had you played with him since he's not since he's changed?

No, okay. I mean, he just, that bunker's an app complete after all. That's not even in play for him, no. Yeah. I mean, unless it's 50 degrees and into the wind, it feels weird to say that it might be in play at 310. But they also move you up quite a ways. I mean, we won't be hitting off the back, back marker.

The other thing that Augusta does, that you'll see on the bottom of the page there, the T box, where that red dot is where it's actually measured from compared to every other runner to the back of the T. So a lot of the time you'll see the T's up 10, but it's actually this is where it's measured from. So it will be up 20 from the back of the tee. So a lot of time you'll say the tee's up 10, but it's actually this is where it's measured from. So it will be up 20 from the back of the tee.

So it's up 10 until I 10, so it'll be 300-ish. And then Matt Fitzpatrick was talking about how he picked up a tip from Justin Rose. It was just like, if you are in the middle of the first green, you are no more than 20 feet away, 20, 25 feet away from any of the plots. So they play center of the green there. You guys have any particular strategy

for the approach in the one? No, we're the same deal. any of the parts. So they play center of the green there. You guys have any particular strategy for the approach into one? No, we're the same deal. Just at the areas that they can have pins, it's a big green, but the areas that they can have them don't, it's really quite small. The only one we don't love that play to is the front left. It's like nine, sorry, 14 on-ish. Just because you get two or three feet past that

and you can almost put off the front of the green if you get a little rush of blood. That one's a tricky pin. Do they surprise you with pins? I mean, is it pretty predictable from year over year? Pretty much. Yeah, the one that's gonna, eventually they're gonna have a pin on five

on that front top little section, and it's seriously about seven feet, but like this, around that pin, you've got about three feet long, three feet short, three feet left or right, and that's it. It's actually gonna be hard to like leave you a pot up there if you don't get the pace right. I was the first hole I ever saw when I walked in.

Like I walked in that gate, well, it's been however old and just remember thinking like, wait, like that's the thing. You're kidding. That's what I was saying to Fitz too, is like you walk that course as a fan, those golf shots look so difficult, just the shape of the greens looks like, I don't know what my shot would be into that at all.

I know this isn't designed for us, but like man, the one place walking off the street that's like, is so visually intimidating. Yeah, and honestly the play there, is just get it over that front slope and somewhere short of that bunker and then try to, try to, but they did have a pin on the front right there one year. What have been like 2010 or 11? It was seriously like a yard and a half on the green, but 15 deep and with a five degree,

a five foot slope behind it. There are any, stop me if I don't ask a question related to any, any little nuggets you have on any particular holes We don't have to go into it and do it on every single one. One question I have too. So at the beginning of the day you pick up the whole locations sheet and then what's your, what's your process look like? It usually comes out in the, Steve Sands usually sends them to us actually like the not before. So then you just, you just go through and you put them in and that's what I'll get early. Like it's up to us then to know exactly where the pin is on the green.

So then I can then mark doesn't have to worry about that. But then if you're not sure about one, you get you, if you've got time, you go out there earlier and just if you want or two you might need to see, you just go straight there and you can knock it out pretty easily. And then that's the experiencing. You know, roughly where they're going to put the pin and then what changed by Yard or so, but where the miss isn't went. So going down to number two now, I see your T-shot here says minus 12 meters. That means it's playing 12 meters down the hill. And then you guys, so what's your target? You're aiming at that bunker with a little bit of a draw. Some years Mark's been able to carry

that bunker, so it's 318, cover it down hill obviously. And if there's any sort of help, roughly at 300, you can just kind of just bomb a high one there. And if that takes that, I'd apply it to huge advantage. And then this does a lot to the credence of the slopes on TV, or you can't do justice to us on TV. Like from the top of that hill, even with that bunker, it still plays 15 yards downhill to that. Yeah, 15 meters, almost 20 yards.

Yeah, yeah. So I think actually the second, maybe second and 18 are gonna be the two holes that look the most different without fans. You're going to stand at that top of the hill and normally like, there's almost like a grandstand of people there just sit on the hill that really surrounds the grain. It's going to look bare this year. Yeah. There'd be an odd kind of shape. As far as the wind this year, have you talked to any local Augustins or anything like that,

as far as like, does it typically come out of the same direction? No, I'll have it. It will be interesting. It'll be a lot different with it cooling down rather than getting warmer in the year. Is there a prevailing wind at Augusta? I feel like I know.

Yeah, I've never really thought of it as a typical wind direction. I think just everywhere. Yeah. Is it weird to try to, those trees really do play a huge factor in trying to read the wind out there? Oh, yeah. There's certain holes you can use.

Like you just stand on the second grain, you can see seven. Third tea, you can see, see. Like you're trying to do as much as that. I guess the other little nugget we have is like, so 10, 11, 12, the T-shirts are all the exact same direction. So when you're two off 10, if you can remember, like, yeah, the only problem with that is you so covered by trees that you're back there on, you're in a shoot on 11, you're in a shoot on 12, you just got a really trustworthy win has been.

It doesn't make it any easier if it starts swirling a little bit, but if you stick to that one, you're usually not not too far away. Interesting. So number two, I'm seeing a note here, I'm assuming LHS means left hand side. Chips will stop on and I don't know what that what's down there. So if you miss the green left there because it's so severely sloped from your above your above the pen and chipping straight downhill. But if you hit a decent chip, it will stop before it goes into that bonger. Okay. And then it actually becomes an uphill part. So it's not that drastic.

Any particular strategies when you guys are coming into number two green from, you know, with say a second shot, obviously it's going to depend on the pin, but, you know, if the pins left, where are you guys playing? Wait, if the pins right, what do you get? What kind of shot you guys hitting? Yeah, that left pin, depending on the number,

it's either it's super aggressive because of that front left bonga is not that bad. Just don't be sure to the bong bunker or don't be left of it. But then the front left, you can, if you, as long as you're just in the front, third of the grain, pretty relatively easy chip or pot up the hill, you just don't wanna be more than like three or four yards short of the grain

because then you kind of blocked out by the edge of that bunker. I love watching too. There's so many sprinklers. I know. Oh my God, there's so many yards just out there. Is this like the easiest one to get a number? Pretty much.

Yeah. He's got a number. Yeah, you get almost caddy this place in the Yachtage book. Just because they're all the front numbers. So you get your pin-shade and you walk around. You need all the notes and stuff. And that's what in here on this second green, you're getting three different front numbers on the sprinklers

because there's three different front points because of the left quadrant, the right quadrant, and the very front, which is very interesting. So when the pin is on the far left, you can, you know, it's 43 yards to the front, but it's 61 yards to the front left. So then you, so it gives you a number saying that's five on from front left,

and that's what you get there. But the pin should'll say 21 on. So then you've just got to make sure you've calculated from the front right and then work out what the cover is. Gotcha. Yeah, that's interesting. So getting in number three, this is the whole that I think correct me if I'm wrong, that the pin position is really going to dictate a lot more of your strategy off the team more so than a lot of holes on this golf course. 100%. What's when are you guys sending it, when are

you guys laying back or what's your guys strategy there? Pretty much the only one we don't is the front right. It's kind of very, the wind dependent. If we can get it on the upslope, then the front rights do it very doable. Most, some guys like that full-weird shot into the left pins, that's just, that's the most, almost the most precise you have to be on the golf course.

You can hit it up the right, and if it's any sort of backspin, it's gonna feed down that way anyway. But then you've got the super, super, super quick putt down the hill. So go into that front right where you try and did. What number are you guys trying to do? So if you can't, if it's into the wind,

and you can't get on that upslope, I mean, you're looking at at least 90 to 100 yards, which puts you right between those bunkers. Try to get enough spin on it. Yeah, you wanna be able to hit a fullish enough shot, so it doesn't spin too much, but also you need it to grab it at the same time. And it's only four on.

So whatever, basically your front number is about where you're trying to hit it. One or two past that, maybe. Three is such a great dividing line hole. It's like, you can make a birdie. If you hit two great golf shots, you're making a birdie. But also if you go for it and you don't, you might, you're probably making bogey. Exactly. Especially that left pin is true where people can separate the top points.

And it runs away, pass that pin into that little valley behind the green. And it should be an easy chip, but it's got full freight of break on it. You get a little anti-within, and it doesn't get there. It's rolling back to your fade. It's a tough one to go.

As far as the surrounds go, like as far as the, you know, plan it off the fringe or plan it here or there. Like you're always trying to, I mean, marks relatively low ball hitter. Yeah. To so when it is a little bit wet out, like that probably affects you guys a lot more than other people in the field. Yeah.

And the years he's played well, he's short games just been phenomenal. So, and I think going back to what we said, if you aren't 100% on that you short game is, you can definitely keep yourself in the golf tournament around this place. Is chipping easy at a gust of, like, relatively speaking, just that grass seems so pure and there's enough there that it's not off bare lies at least what it seems. You never get a bare one, which is nice. And it's commuter underneath.

So you've got a little bit of cushion underneath. I guess it's rye grass, whatever it is on top. And also, most of the time, if you miss it in the right spot, you've got a big slope that you can work it in off, so you, but the into the grain factor, I guess, makes it difficult because you can easily just hit one two feet.

Are you reading, I believe the answer to this question is there is none, but are you reading grain on these greens? No, Mark does. He does read, I mean, minimal. He's 100% believer in this grain. Okay. Because they're so fast that it almost doesn't matter, but now he definitely has a little bit of a grain.

Okay. Wait, like on three, where are you trying to, where do you not want to go on three? Of right trees are obviously not a good spot, but then just there, if you've got 50 yards, if you get driving, you've got 50 yards in if you get driving, you got 50 yards in that, left pin, in any pin, really, you get that a little heavy, you've got 38 yards in for your next one. Next one. The back one seems like you could get,

you're not trying to leave yourself a precise number to the back one, because you're getting a running shot. Exactly, yeah, you just kind of let, let that middle of the grain let it feed down. That's actually probably the easiest pin on the hole, just because left of the grain's actually not bad there either. But then, oh, and then you've missed that one right,

it's cactus. Yeah, that's a good hole actually. It's a snake you have. That one takes a lot of work and strategy on it. I used to think it was kind of a lame hole, but the more I was kind of dug into it, it was like, yeah, that's actually one of the things. Got a shitload of notes for four.

Yeah, I'm really talking about four. It's good show at par four. No, it's a broot of a par three. How often are you using the two different T-buckers? Are you up at least one of the days usually? Yeah, so let's say, yeah, one day, I got 2018 here, yeah, one day, I feel like last year, maybe it was two.

It's a better hole. They need a middle T there somewhere. That's two 20 front from the back and 150 from the front up T. Like, let's have a 190 front. Yeah. You know, but they don't have that on any holes. They don't have like, that's where, you know, if you have a day this, you know, this fall, like 11 per se, and you get a cold wind back in your face, they can only move that hole up to 485 at the least, I think. Oh 400 because that T is a 100 yards up. They're not going to do that. Right.

Yeah, I love a middle T there, but yeah, it's fun to that hole's hard. Even the left pin, you want to miss it left, especially the front left that's 14, you're shown. That pins him so difficult. It's so hard. The false front's eight deep. So you've got six over that, which good luck

if you can hit a three on. Just straight out of it. Carrier, your exact number, like all played to you. It's down 12 yards, 10 meters. But yeah, if you miss in that front row, I'm gonna do that pen. It's too much slope to stop it. It'll stop before it goes in that left bunker,

but you've got 20 feet. This hole always seems to me like the green is too small for the distance you're coming in from. Like it just seems so difficult to anything that's not, any pinnets that are not on the top tier. It just seems, I wrote, yeah. And now I can't think about this hole without thinking of...

Michelson, taking the tree is still a laugh, long laugh. Yeah. Which I was just trying to put in the bunker, laugh. He was trying to put in the bunker, right? He was trying to put in the locker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's the spot to hit it, to be honest. I mean, those left pins, the back, the top left one, the top right pins are really hard because you can't hit it long and then you've got to, you can't run your bunker shop up

there, you've got to float up there. Talking about the sand, is it remarkably consistent throughout the course? It is really good actually. And they've got that nice firm base. I think that's why they always, although they've only had one winner, they do well. Because a lot of the times, you're actually, yeah, you're almost aiming at bunkers. Sorry to backtrack here, but I skipped over what, what Bryson would have done on two.

He's just getting it, how, I guess the question is, how far down the hill can he get it? Will it run? Is he able to get to a spot where no one else is getting to and it runs? I think the question is, how far down the hill can he get it? Will it run? Is he able to get to a spot where no one else is get to? And it runs April. I think it would be able to. Well, and that being said, I'm just assuming it's gonna be a lot softer, who knows. But I'm sure like he's getting it down.

I mean, he's like on the crosswalk, right? I mean, if it was firm, honestly, I mean, the bunk is an afterthought at 318. Yeah. He's gonna have to take it so far left, but I mean, the fairway slips that way. He could end up with 8, 7, 8 on in there. Yeah.

And that's, and 3 is going to be interesting too, because he can get there. Yep. And it's just how, what is his strategy going to be based on the different pins? Because he can get there and make 5 pretty easily if you're in the wrong spot. Absolutely. That's going to be interesting. And then 4, I mean, it's going gonna be, he's hitting less iron than everyone else is hitting into that.

That's the other advantage of what he's doing is, just take away the drover, everything else is. Right, the other shots, he's sitting, he's sitting on his father's golf, he's for on. So for is the whole that I'm wondering how much that's gonna dictate his strategy on what he puts in the bag, right? He's flirting with his 48 inch driver.

So it does he take two drivers to a gust, because I think a gust of sets up great for that, because this is one of the only holes he's gonna need a long-ish iron. But even that 240 down hill, it's playing 230, that's gotta be a five or six iron for him. So is he taking a four iron or a three hybrid or something out of the bag to put a second driver in?

This is the only hole he'd have to think about that on. What's his setup right now? What's his stock setup? I don't know either, but I'm saying there's not a long iron shot that he would have at a gust to other than four. Potentially the eighth second shot, but he could work around that.

Yeah, no, you're on, he can get away with fall on. So that's what's scary around that. Yeah, no, you're right, he can get away with far one. So that's what's scary on that. And unless he's, I mean, I guess he's not even gonna think about hitting less than draw off seven. Sometimes guys hit less than draw off seven because it's quite narrow weight. Yeah, no, he's not doing that. He's gonna hit draw off.

He's gonna reflect. Yeah, I can't even get my head around the stuff that Shrott said he's gonna have to. All right, we'll come back on that. I got an outdated book on number five here that I'm looking at. Three books, three he's got it looking a book here. I think Tron's got the 2019 book here. Yeah, no, I've got 19.

And just looking at the lines on the green. Like, that's so hard. Terrifying. What's that t-shirt like now with the new T on five? Last year we couldn't, I mean, I guess the numbers, say we put it could, but if you're aiming just right at that monkey, you almost can't get to it. The run out at the right is, it looks, looks like it's, it looks really short

to play so long, it's so far uphill. And then obviously there's no run. So obviously completely different to what we were used to. It used to be a three-wood for us. It kind of just shaped one at the right and not quite, the monkeys had to play, taking on a little bit. But now it was, the last ship was just driver.

Almost can't get on. And some of the decision-making came out of that whole logic, I think. It still seems like a very uncomfortable whole. Yeah, we actually ended up hitting a cut there last year. Oh yeah. And part of that, that probably helped. That's probably why I didn't go as far. I think talking to the same things, I aimed at them and cut it off them rather than I aimed up the right. Have you ever been in that back bunker behind the green?

Yes. It's actually not a bad spot, especially the backpins. It actually just takes those mounds out of play in the front. Yeah, it's actually, I mean, my notes here say it's okay to all of them. They're eventually going to use a top left pin there. I guess it kind of frontish left pin. It won't be very good to that one, but the rest of them, it's fine. Because you're actually the slope from the front of the green acts as a backstop now to that bunker shot.

Ed's, well, when I say that, it's good for a good bonga play. Like, Mox, phenomenal adabonga. You'd rather be on the green, you're not sure. Exactly, when I'm flaunted in that thing, but if the trickle's in there, it's okay. Augusta is obviously changed a ton over the years, but this whole, I've always struggled on, the original concept for this was the road hole.

Maybe it's kind of a reverse road hole, but I really don't see a road hole template at all in this one now. I would 100% agree. So, that's the one. I don't have many holes that I don't love at there, but it's probably one of them. I just, I don't love watching this whole thing.

If you design that today, it'd be all right, start again. Thanks. Speaking of the road hole, I can't wait till, I guess there'll be 2022. We'll have you back on before San Diego is talking about what Bryson's going to do and probably two or three other people at that point. Yeah. I mean, so Bryson on five, what's the cover

Tron on the left bunkers now on off the tee on five? You're not thinking about you're not thinking about that number. 313. Yes. That's a four one. They moved the bunkers to when they moved the tea. I'm pretty sure that moved them left. Okay. It's 279, it's ticking like 8. I've got 27 cents, so I must have been.

In the first one and then 313 to cover the second one. Okay. Yeah, so they must have, I mean, distance was, it probably hasn't changed much. Just a lot of the angle, I think is. I still can't believe they moved a road to extend a team. I mean, the Google Earth, if you go to Google Earth and just slide the timeline back further

and just watch a road get moved so a new tee could be built, it is jarring. It does just look like, yeah, we are completely up against the wall. Can't move it. No, no, no, we move the road. Yeah, it's moving everything else. You guys ever been completely stymied over on the left in front of that massive elephant mound?

We've been in those bunkers on the grain. Yeah. And like had one roll back to the feet, I'm sure we have. the left in front of that massive elephant mound. We've been in those bunkers all on the grain. Yeah. And like, and like had one roll back to the feet and show we have, we must. You don't write that down in the next slide. Remember when you did this? Yeah, remember when you didn't quite catch one

and go, oh, remember when I gave her a back club and we come up full-fledged. I'm, see, I've always, at least courses I've played a lot. I've never felt like I need to write stuff down. But now I see the benefit of this of, you know, you have written in that back bunker, okay, to all especially back pins behind five. So that is just like a great visual.

You just, if you're somewhat between clubs and you say that little note, it's like, all right, let's just five out. Yeah, as long as I'm in the bunker, let's just five out. That's great. All right, on to number six, downhill part three. I feel like this is one of the holes

that is very, the pins are set. Well, then you know what the pins are gonna be on six for the first part. Half the green they can't use, basically. It's probably more than half the green. It's a really, really cool green. I mean, that back left pin is really fun. It's kind of redanning.

Like you can use that slope in the middle of the green to get it back there. The front left is very bullish, very attackable. That back right one is very difficult. Any other notes nuggets you have to fill in? Just the back left, I mean, it'll roll back. I mean, there's two or three yards on top of that. There's a flat spot up there.

So most of the time it'll roll back and you might have 30 feet. And that's the place to miss it if you're going to miss it. But then if you get hairy on your first part and you hit it five feet past, you can hit it your next one back down there. If the greens are quick that year. Oh, they're always quick, but really quick that year. So it's a really sneaky tough two part,

but reward for hitting a good shot. Like you said, that front left one, pretty getable. But not a lot of easy putts down there. And I feel like I see a lot of guys hit it close there and struggle to make the putt. Yeah, I guess usually play on Sunday before. What are the green speeds like Sunday to Wednesday and Wednesday to Thursday?

Does it progress a lot during the week? I find the Sunday before the tournament is the most like you will get Thursday. Okay, Saturday Sunday, the like past champions and members can still go out and play. So it's almost like this is as close as we're gonna get it Let's show them what it's like and then they kind of let it go a little bit Monday Tuesday Show up and it back out Wednesday and then there's like they get it back

Because I've heard if you play it a month in advance. You were playing a totally different golf course Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've never we've been once before I first year there and it was I mean it was not to get like a pot of the ore out of the way and all this for stuff But it was golf course was it was not really all right. On number seven. So this whole again, the original. This is all that makes me the most upset. Yeah. It used to be like 18 at St. Andrews was the original. Now it is a long par four through a shoot. It could not be any more polar opposite. But this all seems very, from an outsider's perspective, very devoid of strategy off the tee.

I mean, it's just like hit it right here. Is that kind of how you guys view it? Is it driver? Is it, if the winds off the left, we won't hit driver, just because Mark being a fighter, the fairway slopes a lot left to right. So we have hit three, what in the past, but anyone who draws the ball is gonna hit driver.

And you see that next tee up, 120 yards up. So it's exactly what we're talking about earlier. If there's no chance of playing it up. Yeah. Not that they need to there, it's a short hole, but I'd love that to be a three-eyed wedge hole. I think that's what it was supposed to be, like you said. But yeah, I mean, fairways, so important.

The right trees, you can always chase something up in the bunkers, sometimes sneak them through. And the front bunkers to any sort of pin aren't that bad. Left trees, it's so hard to hook. You've got a hundred yards and you're trying to hook something and chase it doesn't never really works out that well. So you do think this is full-board driver for Brace and now? This is the one hole, I was kind of like,

I wonder what he's gonna do. Well, the only thing I see is it doesn't get any, from where he's gonna hit it, there's no... It's the same width all the way up. Exactly, yeah. So, I mean, why wouldn't he? It's like he's hitting that club the straighters anyway. This green is really cool, I think.

Well, it seems like the tree's up the rate. Like, if you get far enough down there of the rate, the tree's kind of thin out. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like, see, you can always, not always, but most of the time you can either sneak one under him, you can get one up in the air and get on the green. Left tree is not so much because it divides the third

and the seventh there, so they're a bit more thicker. And they're really cool green. That way right pin is such a hard one. You almost don't even try and get out of it. And the same day pin is very accessible. Exactly, yeah. Mark's actually made a two there to that pin. The same deal.

He's hit it up past it. Bit of spin, hopefully, if not, it'll just roll back anyway. Back pins are tough because long's no good. You got the runoff left, runoff right. And those front bunkers look to be okay to, okay to the front middle. God, this is so cool.

Yeah, front middle, pretty much, even that front right pin, they're pretty good, because you just use the slope. Backpins, yeah, it's okay, but it's tough. You're not gonna make six, but you'll be doing well to make par. So on to number eight. And again, this, another one that is playing a very different slope gonna make six, but you'd be doing well to make Pa. So on to number eight. I think in this another one that is playing

a very different slope than I think. I mean, I think this one's pretty well highlighted on there, but I'm seeing from where you would be playing left of the bunker, plus 20 yards playing up the hill into that hole. The bunker looks to be perfectly positioned for you guys in terms of, you gotta avoid it. Looks to be an afterthought for Bryson as well though.

Correct. What's you guys, you guys hitting the cut? Yeah, Mark always starts down the left there. And the bunk is, you can actually hit it right on the bunker and still have a shot of the grain within reason. Bunk is just the only place that you can't get them on the grain, well, left trees too I guess,

but even from the left tree, you laying up so far at the right, that's actually okay. You're trying to find the angle to come into that green. If you're laying up on eight, are you really trying to, so you're looking straight down the shoe to those corners that go to it? Yes, definitely. Especially depending on, back left pins, you want to get it past the front edge, if you can, like 20, 30 past the front edge, if you can, even though you're not really going at the

green, just so you have full enough shot to spin it and then you've got all the, you're heading straight downhill rather than side slopes. The opposite is that back right pin, you don't want to be past the front edge. This is another hole that when you walk by, like I remember not being able to see the green because of the mountains. Mountains around it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially, yeah, they walk, I think most of the gallery goes around the left there until you get on the other side of the ninth tee, you can't see much in

the left turn. That's down. And such a divide. I mean, pafiles around here, I think are really good because you feel it. You should birdie them all. You can make six here very quickly. You hit in the bunker and you don't get your next one on top. You've got seven on of a high like a big slope to a tough green. You can make six pretty quick, but you need a birdie that three or four days to hang around.

Eight, and there are a couple of holes of a gust of it that are like, man, there is no other golf hole that you play during the course of a year that looks anything like this. I mean, is it totally blind going for that green into? Not the front pin. Well, a blind, yeah, blind is in you can't see where you go. But the front pin, you really don't have to hook it or draw it that much. I mean, it the front pin. Well, a blind, yeah, blind is in you can't see where you go. But the front pin, you really don't have to hook it

or draw it that much. I mean, it'll help definitely, but you can hit a straight one there and be fine. The back left one, it's hitting hopey. She hooking it, trying to land into those mounds. And then, see what you have. So you have a certain spot on the mounds or a certain spot on a tree in the distance?

Yeah, and a lot of, a lot of, wow. Camera tails are, a lot of L. Because, yeah, as you say, completely blind, well, the camera tails are a lot of ale because, yeah, as you say, completely belong to you, you're gonna pick something up high to I'm at, and you can't see a lot of those mounds from the fairway. I feel like, I don't know where I can attribute this to, but I heard somebody say that Tiger

goes up the slope of that, he zigzags when he walks up the slope of that fairway because of how steep it is so he's not going directly up a hill. Is that sound right? I could, some of the back issues. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a state-staped slope for sure. Maybe it's Phil when he wasn't in his good shape,

but supposedly somebody, you get, you have an Impuffin when you go to the top. Oh, for sure, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then coming back down the hill on nine. I love nine. Yeah, nine is also a whole bit. I mean, it used to be, before there was a ton of trees

in between, it used to be like an option of playing up one fairway or nine because the green used to boom a rang around those front bunkers. And obviously that has changed a lot over the years. But T-Shot, you're just trying to get, are you guys trying to get it to all the way to the bottom of the hill?

Is that possible for you guys? Yeah. This is one where, I mean, you would love to hit a draw down here, but even Mark is a fade-over. He hits it high enough. The trees on the left kind of overhang the fairway a little bit, so you've got to dodge them, but he can hit a high fade down there, and that's fine.

But yeah, generally we'll run all the way down the bottom of the hill and have some sort of wedge in. It seems like an uncomfortable shot, though. Off a downslope a little bit. Very. You kind of need to hit a draw, maybe around the bunkers a little bit. Especially to any back pin. The good part about that is you're trying to land

in the middle of the grain and bounce it back there. At least that's what we do. This seems like one with Bryson where he's, he's gonna hit it down past where the slope is anyway. Like he's not gonna get the benefit of the down hole, right? Well, this is the hole that Speed said. Yeah, he was like, he has a, this is the whole that Speed said. Yeah. He was like, he has a, and I looked this up on Google Earth, I think his fairway is 630

yards wide because he could hit it. It's where the old members like practice range used to be, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Between 18, 9 and 8, really. Yeah. So that was three. So that was three. I was three. I was three on the left there. They're not in play. Yeah, so he's right. And he's going to have 600 yards to hit it in. And a great angle down there too. Yeah, you're going to want to be down the right for sure, but he's saying you could go all

the way to the leaderboard on one, I guess, where the fairway is. I mean, you don't want to be over there. It's a bad angle, but he's going to hit it and find it. And those trees are not going to be an issue for him there. Exactly. The slope of 9 green, I think, is another one that's super hard to capture and show, but that false front is extremely real, but only to a couple of him positions, right? Yeah, they used two down the bottom.

The hardest part about that one is actually not hitting it. Well, you know how bad short is, but so not over-correcting and hitting on the next one out,, you can part it. It's one of those ones where you see guys hitting it sideways and using slope to even keep it on that right level. I'm surprised it only plays a couple yards up the hill from that, from the bottom of that slope. It looks like plus five, plus four or something like that. Seven to the back, yeah. I guess it's more gradual.

Tricky, yeah, tricky. Funhole. Very fun. That's a good one. All right, back nine out of Gus, which is really, I mean, the tournament doesn't start here. We've basically been talking about practice rounds. Yeah. Yeah.

10 T shot, you mentioned this one as being the one of the two that you really do need to draw it a lot. Is it three wood for you guys? Is it three wood? Yeah, it was. You can, for me, as you can hit the iron, the only thing is the fairways and mown into the grain. So if you get unlucky and it doesn't quite run down there,

I mean, it's, was it 250 to the start of the downslope down? And you need to cover more than that though. You're not just trying to hit a 250. 230 adjusted in the air, my scars. This is one that I was thinking about is, like if Bryson hit driver full bore with a draw on it, does he have to worry about like being the only person to ever put it in that middle block?

I don't know, what is, how far is it to those? I mean, it would have to be like three, six, six, six, yeah, three, six, six, six. I mean, definitely be worried about that bunker. Yeah. Somebody almost got in it last, the last year, or maybe the year before that, it was Rory or somebody put them real close to it.

But I think he had even said, this is not a driver hole for him. I don't see anything straight into the driver. I wouldn't, yeah. I would say him hitting an iron here before he had to, before he had drawback. This is another one that just looks like a very uncomfortable shot because you're never on,

you're not getting a flat light anywhere on number 10. A lot more flat down the left. So the more you hook it, the bigger advantage you get, the bigger advantage you get, or bigger reward you get, sorry. Tricky green, if you don't get all the way down then, you've got, let's say, if you hit it 300 yards, you've got 180 front.

So it's seven onish, six onish, for some guys, the back pins, right being not good. Left just left of the green, it's a pretty easy chip to most pins. There are a certain sense though, that like if you hit it in there with the wrong shot shape and you hit it left, it's gonna, it's gonna jump down. Yeah, there are certain sense though that like if you hit it in with the wrong shot shape and you hit it left, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna. Yeah, if you're hitting any sort of draw, you have to be right half the grain and

if the other left half the grain is gonna run off. So you have definitely a fade, fade into that grain that front, that top ish right pin, very sneaky. Bunger's not great. I feel like I see guys not put this green very well. It seems weirdly hard to read. It's severely slow from back to front. Adam Scott talked about that when he won.

Stevie giving him a, adding a cup to his reader. That's hard to hit it when you think you're going to win the golf ball. You're playing good enough to be a chance to win the golf tournament. You think you're reading them pretty well and someone tells you to hit it a cup higher than what you think is gonna be and end up being the right quality made the part. But that clip is so cool because you can Stevie, like it looks down the ground and shaking his head

and he's like, I'm promising you that it breaks more than you think and he makes it. It's gotta be hard, I mean, do you have that in you? Do you have that in you? I don't know if I do, to be honest. It's like, just get out of the way, let him, if that's, if he just shows the right edge and you've moved him a cup,

it's a tough one to swallow. That's why Steve's got all these green jackets in him. But his closet. 11, gosh, I gotta admit, it's probably my least favorite holder watch in the Gusta. I think it's one that's just been, I hate what they've done with it over the years. I hate the trees down the road. This is is one where if they wanted to do something just

Crazy this year Like go to the members T box and say yeah, I would figure it out That's it on the way to the gate for us in the advantage. Yeah, cuz that and cuz that that point the water is in the Inplay for hand by the green We got a five on the back. Yeah, like 70 yards. Yeah Or we got a super on the back. Yeah, like 70 odds. Right. Yeah.

Because that green just doesn't seem to want, like if you guys are coming in with for, I don't know what you guys are usually hitting into this green. Yeah. I mean, there's no reason to go at this green. Right. Well, in 13, you guys birdied this whole. Yeah. What do you do in 13?

2013. 2013. Yeah. Yeah. He, we, it was the back left pin on Sunday. Mark hit it. I mean, a great shot to 25, 30 feet, short, right of the pin. And it kind of just fed down the green left pin on Sunday, Mark hit it, I mean a great shot to 25, 30 feet, short right of the pin,

and it kinda just fed down the green to pin high. I'm sorry, not pin high, in line with the pin, and then yeah, made it, but it brosin's gonna, this is where he'll really separate his self from the field, I guess, because like you say, we're hitting, if we've got four far behind him,

we're not going, almost at any pin, we're hitting, if we've got four, five on in, we're not going almost at any pin, you're just right edge of the green and trying to bounce it down. There's also the mound short rate of it that you got to avoid because even if you hit that, you can go down in the water. It can kick in the water, yeah for sure, that's 20 sure the green. The back pin, it's super hard. It's probably the easiest one, but if you hit it too far, trying to get pin high and you missed the green right, now you're blocked out by the bunker, chipping straight down towards the water, you almost lay up your chip there.

This and the green right to any pins, it's the place to miss it, but it's such a hardship. I feel like that middle rate pin, you look like kind of on that flat. That's almost seems like one of the tougher ones because you've got the mound so close there and then. I don't know, this might be just the way I say it, but when there's water left and there's a rot pin,

those are the hard pins. Yes, because you're not gonna aim at the water. We talked about this with max. Oh yeah, I have a fun amateur, it's the opposite, right? And the pin is close to the water, it is terrifying, but you just miss out on the rot. But when the pros don't have a place that they can bail, then that is the ones where super, super comfortable.

So like picking, like the island green at Sawgrass. When the pins on the right there, you've got 20 yards left of it. That's with a wedge, it's not that hard of a shot, but you put it, and it's a wedge anyway. So you should almost always hit that green, but you're not gonna miss it right of that pin, and to get it close, you've got to take it on.

So those right pins on 11 are super, super hard. Yeah. God, it's such a hard one. Oh, the same philosophy for 12 then too. Great. Yeah, we almost, it would be situational to really go at that back right pin. What's the difference between the two T boxes? Does it really, is it Sunday T box the same every year?

Is it, do they, I guess, do they line up T-Box the same every year? Is it, I guess they line up the pins with the different T-Boxes? I don't feel like I ever hear that discuss on the talk. No, I'm not actually not sure if there's a reason they use. They could be. We don't play any different, they're pretty much the same T-Box for us. Have you guys gone on the water there before? I'm sure. I don't know. He's banished it from his memory.

If we have, I've deleted it. Yeah. Third team was really cool when Mark made that 30 on 11. He's obviously jacked up, crowds going nuts. I think he hit where it was like, the back right pin obviously, but we weren't going, taken on probably more than we should have, but he hit a where it was like 160 yards. He was that jacked up, hit a wedge like 20 feet, great shot. Same supply pretty short that whole. And then we always use the win from 10-11 T-Shots to even if it is bouncing around a little bit,

kind of forget about it and trust it. Are there pins you are going at? I mean, we know it's not the back right one, but are there pins you guys are attacking? Yeah, I think the left one's, and it left, and then the one over the middle of the bunk is I think very, you might as well go with him because it's not a great bailout.

And you aren't, do you notice the wind swirling down there like people say it does? It definitely does, yeah, I mean, yeah. You're almost rather it'd be up when you're hitting because then at least if it dies, you're probably gonna be long. It's not that it's a great mess over there either but you shouldn't make five or six from over there

But yeah, as I say, we kind of just trust our compass what we've been going on Doesn't make it that much easy, but yeah, it definitely swirls a little bit. You do carry an actual compass with you I don't know. Okay. I um, there's a I guess that they're probably my older books now But you just during the way got just check every what the compass they got in the book and I'll circle them and give them a Tick if they correct The one on the second actually is always The whole hole is on one page of the yadda book so they've got one compass So you need a ten you get so I was just right. It's like south-south west direction

Stuff like that interesting because I think I'm guessing the the the myth or whatever the legend around the wind on 12 Has to come when the wind is in, in your face, that you wouldn't feel it as much because the trees behind the green are blocking you a little bit. Yes, I would think that. You would think that. And then it probably, to get to, it probably comes up 11-ish, and you'd also feel it coming up 13. Okay, 13, now to 13. What is your guy's line, shot shape, target, and what do you... The whole limb thing.

Yeah, I know. I'll try. I'll sneak a photo when I'm out there. This week on Tentative just to make sure. It's definitely there, huh? We, it's a three wood for us, trying to turn it over somewhere near that corner. The 290 run out at the corner leaves you 175 yards front.

So that's where we're trying to hit it. It's kind of tomorrow-izing when you see guys just bomb it straight over there. I mean, we're almost hitting it into the most narrowest part of the fairway, but the theory for us is if it doesn't, if it's not perfect, then we don't have a good number which lay out. Take a big number out of it. And are you trying to get it to the flatter part of the fairway down the left side?

Yeah. And that's where we were in 13, actually. I'm actually a great tee shot. We had six on off the flat. I need to look up where you hit it on a car, remember where you hit it. Well, and that's where, you know, not to, I don't wanna deter this conversation

into the distance debate, but that exact thing is like what this shot at 13 is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be a bomb driver over the corner of it. It is supposed to behave. If you wanna hit it really close to the hazard, you're gonna be rewarded with a flatter lie. Exactly.

If you bail, your lie is gonna be more awkward and the second shot is so much more difficult. And for the game, not to have that balance on one of the greatest holes ever, is really, really sad, I think. And so with that in mind, what does your take, if you're counting for Bryson, and the trees, let's just say the trees look exactly

like they have over the years, what's your play? I mean, there's not as hard as it is. I don't think it's in the spirit of the game, it's not the wrong thing, but you take every advantage. You can go. Yeah, for sure. The line, he's going to have to hit it so far left though, it's the line that I've never really looked at that much. Because he said he's just playing into 14 fairways, and that seems to be the widest area

of fairways. And that wouldn't be the far left of where we're trying to hit it. That's kind of, like, that's probably 10 yards left where Mark's trying to hit it. And that would make the most sense. It's not a point taken on, I mean, he's gonna have probably a nine on a origin. So, are you guys aiming at those two trees? Like those two trees right there?

And they act from the tee, they look a long way right. So it's actually, whilst in the narrowest part of the fairway, it gives you, almost gives you a bit of a, oh, there it's, as long as I get it to there, we're okay, and we've got an iron in there. And then it'll feed to the left, it'll feed to the left. And it won't get on the flat from that spot,

you're gonna be left of that, but not as visually as intimidating as some can be. And then for laying up, like, what are you looking for there? Well, I have to put it on where the pin is. And then honestly, like, you see so many guys hit it or not hit it up right enough. You've almost got to move the crowd, or at least pre-worn them, you're going to hit it up there, because that's the flutter spot.

And the best angle for the distance, you don't want 60 yards, you want at least 100 or 90. So I try and get it marked, hit it as far up the right as possible, except for like that back right pin. And even the back left one, you can bounce it up there a little bit. Have you physically moved the crowd before? We've got like, you get up, it's up the hill, and you're like, hey, we're coming this way.

Yeah, like, you're not gonna move 500 people, but yeah. What, for this second shot, if you guys are going for it, is it just like, we just want this ball in the center of the green, is it? Yeah. Any anything you guys have picked up over the years on that on that shot It seems like such a critical shot in everyone's round But seems like everyone's got kind of a different way of playing it strategizing Are you just gonna go ahead and hit a draw with the slope? Are you trying to fade it off of it? Yeah, it really sets up for a fade Mark on against worried that if he if he starts it too far right, it's just

not going to move that much. You kind of got a short enough club in that, like it'd be easier to hook a three on, it wouldn't be easy to hold the green, but you can shape them a lot easier. Six on, it's kind of a little harder. And if he doesn't love starting at trouble anyway, you'd rather start it in clear and work it towards trouble. But I mean, perfect par five for most people. It's a great play. Very golf hall. You should go for it every time.

If you lay up every day, you're not gonna have much trouble. If you hit a decent wedge, you get a good look. What do you think's the tougher pin there? That front pin or the one way on that back mound there? Back mound probably has a lot more paws, because it's really, you really need to get, you know, three out of four days, you need to get that one.

But the back left actually probably might have more to, uh, three equals two. We're chipping from long left to that green, that little gutter there. Yeah, that left side there, it's uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable, yeah. That front, front ish to middle left pin is sneaky, especially for the wedge shot.

Kind of a small little flat area to hit it on. If you hit a six on and then you need to get that whole. On to 14, I see, do not miss T-shot left ever, ever. We've hit it over there a couple of times and had no better than five, I don't believe. It's, yeah, the whole green slopes that way, so you can never get it anywhere near the, at least from the right tree, you're hitting into the slope and you could control it somewhat.

This is a hole you're trying to get, though. This is a birdie hole, huh? Yeah, with this green. I mean, apart from the ridiculous false front, everything kind of feeds towards each pin. The drawing in here, the false front is literally half the front. The entire front half the greens are usable. So it's a tiny grain, like as the usable pins. I remember the first time we ever went there,

Jeff, before Mark's rookie masters, I guess it is, Jeff Ogleville said, I'll give you a hundred bucks, he dropped the ball on the left edge of the grain, said if you can keep it short of whatever pin it was, middle, and mark quite almost off the right edge of the grain. It's just such a severe slope, which, so when you hit an approach right in there, you use that, you just don't want to miss it to the left side.

How year over year, we know where the Sunday pins are for, I'd say, you know, let's say 14 or the 18 holes, we know pretty much where they're going to be. How different is the location year over year? It's in the same general area, do they move at a foot? Is it five feet? Is it in the exact same spot? Do you have any?

Yeah, I think so. Because that can make a big difference. That's all there reads. Yeah. No, I'm more than a yard, I wouldn't think. Unless it's like a brand new pen, obviously, but like the eight, I'm sure, like the 18th, I'm sure that doesn't move more than one or two feet. Yeah.

Two feet would be a lot, I would think. Holes like this one on 14, they use that just over the slope, just over that false front, that's a diabolical pen. Especially if the wind's down. Yeah. Just impossible the wind's down. Yeah. You just can't get an error. This is one, too, that looks like, you know, once you get past that 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3,

it starts to kind of widen back up. This is another one that Brace and, you know, Brace and I'll have more of an advantage because it's gonna be wider where he's standing in. We hit a three-wood off this T2, just because the fairway slopes pretty severely left or right. He won't have to deal with that, who we hit over that little ridge corner.

And then 15, driver, full board driver for you guys. Have, I guess, is this a difficult T-shirt? It seems to me like guys are having a lot of trouble with this T-shirt, ever since they put the trees down the right side. It seems like a tougher T-shirt than maybe people realize it back home. Yeah, it's not, it is, for us it's okay because we can start at those trees and Mark can

just fade it off him, but, and he can't reach the run out trees. You don't want to get too close or else you have to hit that hook shot. I would do it again. That was the best theater I remember from that mass. But yeah, I mean, it's such a big reward. If you get in the right spot, you hit in an eight on and on and so we go full ball driver. This plays a few meters down, down hill as well, is it any other nuggets on that approach out of like, hey, we can't be, it carries a little further here

or you're getting to the adrenaline part of a round I assume too. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's such, mean, it's not easy just to bail that over the back. Honestly, like that back left water on 16s in play, if you just be blasting one straight over there, it's such a tough chip from over there. That's why we hit in the water on 13, but Mark was trying to make three to contend in the tournament and come up short and roll back in the water. But I'd much rather than do that, trying to make three than hitting an extra club straight

over and then chipping it down and making five and not it would have helped us, sure, but we're not winning the tournament doing that way. And the best way to lay up is down the left side of the... Hats to be down the left, yeah. You've got to be careful of those trees. Who was it last year that... Mollonari. Mollonari clipped them, yeah.

So you've got to be careful of those, but it's so much flatter. It's probably the wettest part of the golf course down there. So it's so- Yes, like, didn't even react. Yeah, well, they totally didn't know that it hit the tree, and that's how, and I've gone in the water. Going back to Bryson, like, this is one for me that, like, this one feels like it might actually be tougher

for him with driver. Potentially, yeah. Just he could just hit through it or he could, because if he gets one of the first narrow up, so he's definitely gonna be hitting that narrow area. He might actually get it in those trees where he's far enough in them that, he's not actually, the limstock startle, 15 yards up on those things anyway,

so he might be okay. I didn't think about that. You're getting so close to it. So it's narrow in theory, but not really. Fairway, fairway wise. Yeah, yeah. Because you can manufacture shots from left side too. Yeah, I mean, not ideal.

Obviously from 150 yards, is it in the wedge or not? In the right winds though, he could be, yeah, I was gonna say, he could be heading wedge into this. Easily, yeah, if not, yeah. I mean, if he gets one, what are we looking at? I keep emphasizing this whenever, you know, people are saying I'm exaggerating some of the clubs he's hitting into,

we haven't seen the 48 in striver yet. And it can get longer than what we've seen, which is insane, but like, this is coming, and I can't wait to see what happens. But yeah, this, so yeah, you're, law, I'm assuming that long on 15 is better for certain pins, is there other certain ones that you're just like, so why left pin longs, okay, it's just such,

you kind of like bumping it into the short, into the fringe and let it trickle down. If you just get a bad bounce off there, it's in the water, but it's the only place to miss it. You're not gonna, you shouldn't float with missing it long. That's another approach. This is another approach that I look, there's a crosswalk there so fans can go out

and stay in 15 fairway. And that looks like an island green. Like, and dudes are just dropping four irons into it. And it's getting finity green. I know, and I know these guys are good, and I know all that, but that's the shot, the ease at which guys are able to just drop, get the number right I should say.

Honestly, that's the hot, that's probably the one I've had the most trouble with getting the right club, or both of us have getting the right club in Mark's hand, just because, I mean, and then you see on the highlights, target hitting these shots to three full, not just target, but the ones contending, and they get it, like you say, they get it right, and it's four on or a five on, and it's so hard to get it.

You have to land it in exactly within two or three yards of your number. On that one that you play the slinging hook around the tree, how much, how are you judging that distance? Like how much are you factoring in the, you know, the de-hoffed hook? Yeah. What we did, well, yeah, we used the front number.

Mark's not our far lines, about 194 and 195 meters, and that was what we had at the front. So we knew as long as it got further than, which with the hook it should, we were gonna be okay. If it went dead straight, it was gonna cover everything we needed to. But then yeah, as I said, it started like dipping down the hill and I got the heart rate up a little bit.

And but the front of that green killed it nicely. Then on to 16, so we talked a little bit about this one earlier about, you know, it plays a little shorter than for whatever reason that might be. But any other, that front right pin looks so difficult. And obviously kind of boring to watch, because everyone ends up down the left in.

Yeah. Actually, that front bunker and just right of the greens is not bad to that pin either. You just don't wanna pass pin high to that pin because then you end up with up the slope, but then once you get some tops going to really right and then downhill, at least from short of it,

you just go uphill the whole way. Yeah, tricky green, the right pin, that top wall, it's top right. That Sunday pin also just looks very difficult to put to. Yep, from anywhere that's not short, right? And even the three, four footers above the hole to that Sunday pin is sneaky hard. How real is the proximity of all of these holes, you know, you guys have been there coming down the stretch competing for a master's.

Like, you can, it has to be impossible to avoid what's happening in other parts of the course. Yeah, and that's what will be weird about this play. I mean, you'll see obviously with the scoreboards, but you just kind of know the rules, and you know what's a, oh, I guess, you think you know what's a birdie rule, depending who it's from, what's a, I guess, you think you know what's a birdie role, depending who it's from, what's a eagle role,

what's a pass, you know, what's a good shot, what hasn't been in Hollywood yet. I don't, yeah. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, it's possible to avoid this, for sure. It's gonna be funny this year with like a wonder if it's bracing yellow and like, come on!

Yeah. All the pop, will I pop crowd noise in? Yeah. How many eagles has Mark made at the gasta? I'm not noise in? Yeah. How many Eagles has Mark made at Augusta? Um, I'm not sure, I just got a few. They get one, they get the Civil Widow knife for everyone. Yeah, Crystal. Yeah, it's a few, much.

That's just the ultimate. Well, off to technical. Let's go say, I didn't realize this was a life goal of mine, but I want to drink out of one of those things. I got to go to somebody's house and say, I need to go to Augusta and drink out of one of those things. 17, another Bryson Fullboard driver. I gotta go to somebody's house, it's me and you go let a gust a drink out of one of those six. 17, another Bryson Fullboard driver.

I imagine driver for you guys, it just, again, it seems to be, these tree-lined holes both sides is just pretty much, there's not like a, there's just no wide part to hit it too. So there's no point hitting less. There's an overhanging branch, 50 yards of that, tell you that's perfectly in Mark's all-on.

For a fighter. One question I got going back to 16, you've that's perfectly in marks, our line for a fighter. One question I got going back to 16. You've got a note in here, round two. It says jacked up. That would have been up. Well, probably, you're the... It's you got 2019. 2019.

Okay, so we must have something must happen on 15. We have made three or seven. So we roast, he would have roasted one. And how much are you factoring that in? That's awesome. As you're playing Saturday, Sunday, like what is jacked up? Is that an extra five meter?

Yeah, well, at that point, I'll just say, look, Mark, this is what we hit yesterday, but you were pumped. And then he can work out how either hard or how he was feeling relative to that day when he's over it. But just, that's just more information and then up to us to process it. But yeah, can I check that out real quick? I'm gonna say how far he hit it

because he hits his short on's really far anyway. So this is from A-Tain, so this would have been after he made the eagle and he hit non-on 165 yards. Okay. Dang, that's cool. Do you, are you guys ever like far off on clubs? 65 yards. Okay. Dang, that's cool. Yeah. Are you guys ever like far off on clubs as in Myanmar making the decision?

Yeah, and like having very rarely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The thing for like, so Mark are up in the wind and he traps, almost delofts and traps ball a lot. So his short arms can go silly distances. So that's where we kind of, and at the end of that, then he'll be,

he's the one to decide, like, I can always say, mate, you can get wedge there. I've seen you hit it this far before, but if he's not feeling it, then he'll just go to the soft-known or whatever. But no, we're never that far away. And 17, there isn't, it doesn't seem to be a ton of strategy with this one. It just seems like a kind of a difficult golf ball. Yeah. Hard, just narrow. So important to be on the fairway. That back left pin plays so short, especially downwind and then into the wind that right cover plays long. Just because there's another, it's almost like a second false front over there too.

So you've got ten, basically ten to carry the bunker and then another six over the false front. So you're looking at 16 over halfway into the green at that point. So you've got since a month comfortable chips from down that front right from the eyes and contention. And then long left is, yeah, you much rather be front right. Do you agree with Neil's contention that this is stinky Nandina? He's always shitting on his own. That's not much, I mean, for, yeah, there's not much going on with it. For everything else that's going on,

the whole is around it. It's just kind of like a, like, like, probably not a bad thing, you don't, I don't know, there's almost, I want too much, every ability will go a long way here, but he's gonna hurt you. I'm always fascinated when I go, like, you know, back by 18T or back on 17 green,

like it's how exposed that little knob is that 17 green. That raw sort of 17 green is, yeah, there's nothing around you. Yeah. And then going to 18, the on TV certainly looks like a shoot. Does it feel like a claustrophobic shoot? Yes. There's some limbs in the way for you guys as well. Yeah.

Good thing, that first left bunker is you can get on the green comfortably from there. So Mark's always aiming at that, working at Offer. Half a club up from the fairway, it looks like up. Yeah, so I mean, that's where the laser and everything will say whatever it is 12, 14. But it just doesn't seem to play that much. So we always just go half a club because we end up adding too much and then you always pass the pin there with a super downhill part. So we just, we went back to half a club. I don't feel like I ever see yeah, I don't that's interesting

I don't feel like I see guys posing on shots on 18 that come up short. No, it always does always go past it Yeah, so it just doesn't seem to play. It's full up there So is this one that Bryson can can take it completely over the bonkers? I mean they don't even give a cover number on the bonkers It's 314 to the front of the second bonker. Yeah. So if you get up to it, it's 335. It's going to be about 335-ish. So down and down, Windy. And then it's straight up.

And then it's the widest and the same, it's the same failure I'd be using on non. Exactly. So that's like over where Tiger was in 97. Before they moved everything. So is this a golf course that, you know, Bryce, and you see, like, Wingfoot surprised me to be honest. I just did not think it'd be a great setup for Bryce,

and do you see, is it like Greenlight special for him, or is it just, I think, if he's not the favorite for this one, he should, like once he gets one, go around it, and then I come back in April. He's gonna be very, very hard to beat. Because he's gonna be hard to beat this year. He's still gotta be precise with all the approaches.

It's a big question. And then if he just, but if he, and he's partying, the weeks he's played well and won, he's partying his through the roof. Yeah, I think I heard quite, like I think Jordan did apogas somewhere and said, it's his to lose already before we've been teed up and it kind of feels a little bit that way. Like he's just from the clubs and stuff he's going to have in.

But who knows what, yeah, whether or have a bit to do with it. But he's still going to have that advantage. So like even if he's sitting to where we normally hit it, no one else will be. So, I don't know, it'd be good viewing. It's not, I am definitely not willing to hand it to him. He's gonna have to be on, he's gonna have to drive it great. If he drives it great though, it's just like, almost the approach play is not that important because it's gonna be playing from such a spot

that even the marginal shots are gonna be totally fine. And if he gets to a point where it's so uncomfortable, he can just almost light up. Yeah, okay. Uncomfortable 70-yard shot, just hit it to the fat of the green and move on, because you're gonna have another 20 chances of throughout the week of. What's the rest of the year look like after masters?

Shut it down completely or? No, we're gonna play, since we took such a, oh, since we'll, the fourth break, and we haven't come back and flushing it. We don't wanna do that again, so we're gonna take two weeks off, play Mexico, and then Shark Shootout. And then love, I think, two and a half throw, it's off before Maui. You play with Cam, Shark Shootout? Yeah. That'd be sick. Yeah. It'd be fun. They're going to do New Orleans this year and that

didn't happen. So they're trying to make up for it. Well, this was an absolute joy ride for me. I have feeling there's some golf nerds out there that will have gotten great enjoyment out of this as well. And I feel ready. Now I'm in a master's mood. So thanks for, two masters in six months. I know, it's gonna be, that's the thing. It's like I wanted to knock out all our coverage

because like you can just roll some of this stuff forward for a few months and I'm hyped now. So Maddie, thanks for walking us through it all, man. Thank you, boys. That's a luck and can't wait to follow along thank you very much cheers How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.