No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 383: Mayakoba Recap + 2020 Superlatives

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

Viktor Hovland breaks the Puerto Rico curse! We recap a surprisingly fun week in Mexico, chat about Hovland's year, Adam Long, Finau, and the LPGA as well. We wrap it with some superlatives from 2020 (36:00), including the forgotten man, event you probably forgot happened, heartstrings moment of the year, and many others. And of course, we chat at the end about an exciting week in Formula 1.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Hello, how are you? The three of us, we are surprised a lot to talk about. You know, we don't do a lot of fall Sunday recaps, a lot of going on in golf. US women's opens coming up this week. We had two European tour events.

We had Victor Hovelin wins the Maya Coba. We have Angel Stanford winning the LPGA event, which is called the Volunteers of America. There you go. I knew that definitely. In her hometown. How about that? The hometown of Jason. In our go. I knew that definitely. In her hometown. How about that? The hometown of Jason.

In a part, right? Yeah, yeah. Important to note, Callaway Stafford, Christiane Beseidon-Hout, he keeps winning so much. He keeps winning. Now I'm learning how to pronounce his first name. He got an, yet he ultimate play better. Yet another win on his home soil,

taking home the South African open. His bag contained x forged irons, just like your boy. Mac Daddy wedges a Maverick Pro hybrid, and as well an Odyssey putter. And if you didn't notice also, Emiliano Grillo was seen using a Toulon San Diego, which is the fastest growing milled putter on tour. I believe that's also in the bag

of our very own trunk carter. My right handed bag. Your right handed bag. So did you see you grabbed those at my garage last night? No, I didn't. Okay, he got, you gotta take them back. I know. I thought you were squirreling away sets

when we were in your garage last night. It's all the obviously just moved into a new house. I saw just a brand new set of golf clubs. I was like, where the fuck did he get those? They were, they're Trumps. Trump's right-handed, it says. Yeah, I have a catch. I haven't thought about those in months.

Which my dad borrowed during the wedding and we left him at the golf course because we forgot to grab him. And Tron doesn't use his right-handed set anymore. So. That just proves it, right? That does. There you go.

So, all right, where do you guys want to start? I'd like to give a shout out to Peter Alice. All right, Pete. All right, Pete. Without a doubt, my favorite golf commentator, if you're not super familiar, if he was a little bit before your time, even he was probably even a little bit before our time, but he's kind of what got me going on in the European tour. I was just such a different, refreshing presentation.

And he was always so consistently restrained and consistently calm and informative and just great dulcet tones and he will be missed. I think KVV had some great tweets about Peter Alice and just his style and seeing, you know, everybody knows the Vern Lungquist version of the Tiger Chip in but going and watching the BBC version of Peter Alice. I mean, he's so subdued and so restrained,

but it's just so cool how he does it. And KVB was talking about, you know, what they should show this in journalism school, just like continue to be yourself throughout no matter the situation, no matter how high it gets, how low it gets, I mean, that stuff. And it's just, yeah, it'll be a,

it's a big miss for the world of golf. Big loss, I should say, for the world of golf. I think if you grew up playing golf and watching golf in the area that we would have as kids, you could be home on a Thursday during the day watching European tour. Definitely.

And it was on the golf shops, it was on all the time and that voice was there. Just soothing your way through watching coverage. And I just remember taking it in kind of as a, it was just a given. It was a known quantity. Like that's what you were getting out of watching golf. And I didn't realize that was happening at the time.

And it was interesting and weird to reflect on that today. I only went to, when I was working at the tour, I only went to a couple of the World Golf Hall of Fame inductions, but his, if you don't know anything about Peter Alice or even if you do know a bunch about him. And even if you've seen this before, go back and watch on YouTube his induction speech. It's just truly top shelf stuff.

I mean, it's awesome. Like the ultimate class, like the classiest thing that I've ever seen. And I mean that without any hyperbole or sarcasm there. It's like just a true class act. Which on that note, you're gonna talk about what KVV was saying about like be yourself, blah, blah, blah.

This isn't not on our notes, it's for the top of the show, but John Wood is now taking up a job with the golf channel. I wanted to do this on Twitter without the just like sounded like, I don't know, sounded like a douche, but wanted to put out a call just like, like this is the dude that should not be trying to impersonate a golf announcer.

Yes. Like go. I know we talk about this all the time, I know it's your thing, Dej, but like go be a caddy, walk in the golf course, talking about golf the way you would talk about it. Don't try to do what Davis love did, like just trying to sound like an announcer,

like go be interesting and go be yourself. You have the reins to do that. Yeah, and by all accounts, an incredibly smart guy, obviously a great caddy, and yeah, I think that I was excited to see that. I think that'll be a good, good addition. He quit Cooters bag to do this. We're just, you know, this was announced

my a Kova week, right? I was kind of wild. Shout out to L2K. All right, we got a lot to talk about from my a Kova. Victor Hovland. Yeah, back to back wins for Team Solid and the Fred X Cup. That was, I think, the thing that was on the top of everybody's right?

I'm glad you, I'm sure you guys were getting ready to mention that, but I don't need a canylie. I don't remember who won last week. Robert Stradd. Oh, that's right. God, it feels like it was a month ago. Purple by the pound, baby. Was that two weeks ago?

I don't remember. I think the tour was all last week. Cause that was Thanksgiving last week, right? Yeah, I lost track of time. But, yeah, back to back tour events, I should say, even if it wasn't in consecutive weeks, but I think the scoring leaderboard kind of broke on our Fred X Cup. I think I broke out.

I think I had a high score. It's not refreshing. I mean, so much money from Shephler from the tour championship. I know, but it didn't even refresh after Streb won and I'm up by so much that it's probably just like, yeah, we're good. Good stuff. Congratulations. It's nervy rooting for Victor Hoffman down the street.

That was my lead note as well. It's kind of a little bit speedy in his head. It was delightful. But that's exactly the kind of thing where I'm like, man, on Sunday of, you know, my Acoba, I can, this is a real coin flip. Like I can check in or I can check out and watch in Hoffman just be really skittish

down the stretch was stig. It was awesome. It's a different kind of skittishness where it's like you got top shelf ball striking and you don't know if he's gonna lay the solid ship or leave a putt, you're like really blow a putt by because he was blowing most of them by two or three feet. He steps up and birdies the last.

I always loved seeing someone birdie the last to win. It was remarkably similar to his first win in February, just like the thick-ass permuda greet, like around the greens, kind of some weather going on. I just remember, I, he won here last year, right? And it's like, no, no, that was poor. Destination Resort, man. Exactly.

Like, and he breaks the curse. The curse is, so this is a big topic of conversation, I think, maybe the biggest story of the year. We could say one of two things. One, he broke the curse or two. Check it out, there is no curse and Fina just stinks. And I guess I'll turn it to you to tell me. How do you make this a indictment of Fina?

Let's keep going on other people. Let's go keep going on other people. What about all the other people that have won the Puerto Rican Open and have not won again? This is not a Fina thing. This is not like you work way too hard at trying to shoehorn your Fiend. I take into things like, so I love you, but I don't have to work hard at all.

We'll get to see now. We'll get to see now. Let's get let's say. He does it all himself. Pull me back to you. Going back to hoblin. He's definitely going to win the hero world challenge at some point. Another destination.

Sure. Oh, you know, down in the Bahamas, hopefully you never wins the Dominican tournament because that's opposite field. Well, it's just an opposite field event. You hope he's a good combination. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ridiculous, but his Puerto Rico open win was in 2020. I thought you were saying who has a better year next year. No, I'm saying who had a better win, a better year this year. Hawthorne had two wins.

Hawthorne went from, Rory had no wins. 98th in the world golf ranking to top 25. Like, Rory went from two to four. Who played better golf this year? Rory. Who got more out of it, probably Hawthorne the two wins. Yeah, but I just think that's kind of interesting.

It isn't kind of wild, man. Especially when like going back through, we're gonna do some superlatives later in the episode and going back through and looking at some people's seasons and stuff. I mean, Rory during that stretch of what was it? Four or five top, you know, top five in a row was like looking not unbeatable

because he didn't win any of those events, but I mean, he looked like it was, oh my gosh, it's gonna happen in a big way here and it didn't. He did not. But you got to wonder, you know, with the newfound perspective, going into the new year, how much that changed. That's true, no doubt. No doubt.

I mean, Hovelin, it is legitimately terrifying to watch him ship. Yeah. Wow. And he's so up front about it too. Like, he's just, he's so open and honest about it. It's awesome. He had a bad chip today and I wanted to tweet about it, but it was also like, the numbers don't, his numbers so far this year on the green are good.

So I was, I didn't know, I'm sure there's like, I was getting ready to get, you know, owned online by the teens that are like, no, he's working with new chipping coach. He's got it all figured out. So I'd like to think, he's improved since February. But there's scar tissue there. Oh, there has to be. Yeah. Like bottom, I don't care how good his stats are two or three years in a row, even.

It'll be that shit's always in the back of your mind, man. It kind of feels like the more, how a short putts thing, right? Where it's like, listen, the numbers can, can say what they will, but like that thing touched all, you know, all three sides of the hole on the way down. Kind of a kind of a vibe. He's also good enough to like overcome it too. I mean, he's a generation of talent. He just strike the hell.

I think it's just like dudes that strike the hell out of it, but have iffy-ish areas around the greens are going to be nervy as hell to watch. But like he's going to keep putting himself, he makes so many cuts. He's always like T20. He is just always finishing somewhere between T5 and T20. It seems like he was kind of the forgotten man between Wolf, Moorakawa and kind of those big three coming out and ends up kind of tying a bow on at the end of the year. And they're all neck and neck for seriously.

So it's more cow one three times with a major. And then, Ovlin won twice, Wolf won last year. I guess more cow one, one last year too this year. Yeah. And then Wolf had solo second at the US Open, T2 in Vegas, T4 at the PGA and solo second at the Rocket Morgge in Detroit. Mm. Ovlin with the longest cuts made streak.

That's how he's a fun stat. He is a lot of, yeah. And he had all those rounds in the second rounds in the 60s. He's really, really good. I kind of feel like probably unrealistic expectations when I say I was honestly expecting a little more from him over the last year,

but it's turning the corner. It appears to be obviously. It's like a slow burn. You know, he's just, it's like sample size. You get a sample size, the more he's gonna rise at the corner. It appears to be obviously. It's like a slow burn. You know, he's just, it's like sample size. You get a sample size, the more he's gonna rise at the top. Do you guys like watching this golf course? No.

I don't, but. Yeah, it just didn't pop for me, but yeah, I don't know how much rain they got. I'm gonna be very candid. I didn't follow it most of the week. So I only watched today. So I don't know if it got drenched in rain or it certainly looked very soft,

but just not my cup of tea. But I watched more of the LPGA this week. So I only watched today. So I don't know if it got drenched in rain or it certainly looked very soft, but I'll be honest. I'll be honest. No, I might cup a tea, but I watched more of the LPGA this week. I love watching a cold tournament. It's windy. The conditions are out there. You're seeing people grinding. I think there's some good holes out there. That closing stretch, 15, 16, 17. There's some good holes there. But yeah, most of the holes kind of run together for me. Yeah. Yeah, it's just nothing they can really actually do about it, but watching balls just literally not even bounce when coming in with wedges on the green is like, that's not fun to them.

Yeah, that is not fun. I mean, it's standing water in some of the bunkers. Yeah, that's not their, you know, the fault of any conditioning. It's like the end of their rainy season or something down there anyways. The only thing I'll say is, I mean, there was trouble off the tee, which, I know that's not really the width and angles life, but when you're watching tour golf,

it's kind of, it's fun to see guys hit it in hazards off the tee. Except one is the shawl on. Except one is Adam on. 17 and you're just, but yeah. Weaves one. Mostly when it was Fino. Kind of hitting those irons out into the shit.

See, you're exposing yourself as just like selective reason for sure. It's not even sporting it this way. No, yeah. You're dirty. You play the game very, very dirty. It seems like it does test a different set of skills. A lot like, and maybe the stats back to sub,

maybe they don't really look at them. But just by the eye, seeing like this in Sea Island, they look like they kind of, you know, there's eye, seeing like this in Sea Island, they look like they kind of, you know, there's less trouble off the T at Sea Island, but there's, you know, it just seems like it brings, it brings like field closer together. This, this course is always like the weirdest outlier on data golf for like the importance of driving accuracy way more than any other course really on tour. And Dan's the question, it's most similar

to Sejfield Country Club. I could see that. Which is actually with the Nangles course. Yeah, so. Do you wanna do Aaron Wise? I don't really have a whole lot to say. I have, I don't have a fucking thing to say about him. I'm like, he does, he does.

It's a negative. Nothing against him, he does nothing for me. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I just think back to, kind of went through a little weird Instagram phase where he was like in the gym a lot. I give this like selfie of him in the gym. It's like when anyone's been asking what I've been up to,

I've been right here, putting on 25 pounds. Hashtag love being an athlete. And I was like, okay, yeah, I don't really think we're on the same way. I'm seeing you there, but. He can go crazy low. That's about the only thing I could say, just looking yeah, I don't really think we're on the same. We've been there, but. He can go crazy low. That's about the only thing I could say, just looking, you know, shooting 63 today.

He strikes me as one of those guys that you kind of turn around. It's like, oh, fuck, he shot 61. He shot 64, like, man, I haven't thought about that guy in eight months. When it is time to go low, can we please talk about the shlong? I feel like I've watched him do this 28 different times in the PGA tour. He has, like, 12 months. Right? He just, when the ever-thescoring condition is like, hey, take it as deep as possible. Adam Long is there. 63, 67, 67, 67. He's turning into a premier ball striker. He wants to tell you.

The American Express at what, 25 or 26 under? Yeah. And then was then was yeah second here last year and birdie he made on 16 today was Really really really good when he yeah guess when it's softer or I'm not sure exactly what it is But he can go get it and fill it up with birdies. So we can't we're moving up He's up to he was 75 in the world coming in to this week. So hopefully there's some decent points. It's inside the top 25 in the FedEx Cup, which is pretty tough to mess that up in the spring. There's one of those things that, you know, on December 6th, you use as a, a thing to bolster the case of the guys you like and you forget about it for the guys you don't like. But the guys like, like talking to Maddie and some of the guys that kind of play in the game within the game, like I saw a cam at, at a bull bean this morning and he was saying the same thing.

It was like, there's a big emphasis placed more and more because the stats bear it out where if you get off to a good start in the fall, your chances of making it at least to BMW are like triple. Yeah. The tour always rolls those stats out. I always kind of forget how important they are. Just, yeah, I'm with you.

Cosine. Does anyone stopped Cameron Smith at Bolbing? Does anybody? I can't look like Dan, like mountaineering guy. I'm trying to think he literally finished runner-up the masters last month. Imagine the difference between DJ going to a coffee shop

and Cameron Smith going to a coffee shop. That just makes me laugh. Adam longs up to 60 second in the world courtesy of VC606, notably Ricky Fowler dropped into 50 second. So I'm gonna talk about that later. You wanna do a thing now? Go ahead. Yeah, DJ, go off.

Go off, King. There's not much to go off about. Sally, I know it's, you know, unfortunately, this was the last PJ tour event of 2020. I don't think he's gonna get to those three wins that you predicted. Not what happened, no. No.

I thought it was two wins. I think it was the next three. And we extended it through the West Coast swing. Yeah. So there's kind of a twilight. I also don't think he's going to get there, but listen, at least keep the facts. I mean, it was right on script.

It was. And that's where, you know, I already know what your comeback is going to be, which is, oh, you're gonna punish him for making a bunch of birdies. But I mean, it's the same thing every time, man. It's like, and I look no further than someone like Aaron Wise. And I know, dude, it's hard to go low,

hard to wing golf tournaments. But like, there are people who go out there and go low, get up around the lead, and they keep going low. And he does not seem to be that guy, man. Every time he gets up there, every time he's within one, every time he the lead, and they keep going low. And he does not seem to be that guy, man. Every time he gets up there, every time he's within one, every time he's leading, it's just, it was today,

just like really bad mistakes. I will say, time stamp on this, this is on our WhatsApp thread, time stamp, 206 PM Eastern time, DJ Pihowski sends through Fienaal T2, not good. Then Randy says, trust the process. DJ Pihowski sends through Fienaal T2, not good. Then Randy says, trust the process. And then sure enough, Fienaal,

shortly thereafter hits it in the water on eight, on the part three and on 10. Or on 10, yeah. And then hits it again in the middle of the face. In the shade on 11 and gets a free drop somehow. It was just disgusting. I think you think that I am expecting him to win these. Like I was not expecting him to win.

I never thought he was gonna win today. This all goes back to waste management when Web Simpson went and ran him down and stole it from him. Yes. There's two different categories of getting screwed out of wins. I guess, two different categories of not winning tournaments. Somebody comes up and takes it from you when you've played probably good enough to win.

And there's the non-conervative top five. Finaus had plenty of those, but he also had plenty of Sundays where he's not executed. Like, I'm not denying that at all. This is definitely not executing. It's not even not executing. Like, he's shot 67 today. Great round of stuff.

It's about the par. Yeah, he just doesn't, like at no point, does he inspire any confidence whatsoever. That's the thing for me. Is it just, that's where I think it started was, you know, like, wow, this guy's so good. Oh my gosh, he's so good, he's so good, he's so good. And it's like, man, I don't ever remember being on the 16th,

17th, 18th hole when it's like, oh, Fina has really got a great chance to win here. Just never, it never seems like that pops up. And of course, I will play off at the waste management. I'll give you waste management for sure. But like, dude, there's been a hundred other golf tournaments and it just hasn't happened. I don't get it.

I don't know why. I'm trying to find out. So his win probability today, the highest it ever got was 27%. Which is pretty high for how many guys were in the mix today. It is. I mean, that's like not the favorite, but probably the number two best odds. No offense to anyone. It wasn't a murder's row up there.

And it's just, I mean, it just never feels like there's a chance. Anyways, listen, we don't need to kick him all these down. Seems like a great guy. By all accounts, a great guy. I just, it continues to blow me away. That this guy just just doesn't win. What would you suggest that he do different? Win.

I don't know what to tell you. Well, how do you get there though? That's results based. You want to talk about process? Are you leading me into like an ad break? We can talk about process. Oh, okay. What have you been doing?

Yeah, well, if it was me, I'd get up early in the mornings, I go to Jack's Beach golf range, I'd work up my golf blueprint stuff. There it is. Maybe he needs to talk to Kevin and Nico. What is golf blueprint? It's a customized practice plan that Kevin Moore and Nico Darius put together, a couple very, very smart young gentlemen.

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You got called out too in the copy that you need to get on the proxies. I was going to say I've heard Nico once give his hands on me and really, and Neil is involved. Now I would welcome you guys, me and Neil are doing Tuesdays and Thursdays. We about 7, 7, 30 a.m. out at the Jacks Beach. Jacks Beach range. All are welcome. So you know, solid of course that extend that to you as well. Randy, if you're listening, which I know you're not, you're welcome as well. Speaking of the process, Scotty Schuffler, that was a testament to the process.

It was the entire podcast. It was great. Great interview. Yeah, he's, I loved hearing him. He kept saying that. Yeah, just, it was all about the process. He's a top 10 player in the world. He has been for the last, like, 14 months.

I think we may get to that in superlatives, maybe a little bit later here, but I think going back to the tournament today, I want to call out Tom Hogi. He's in grind. He should've had a little bit. He just couldn't, he was missing fairways. He should've, he was in the driver's seat, you know, mid-weight through, like kind of early on there. Tom Hogi has got to be like Taylor made like dude, if you actually knew this guy, you'd love him and he's a great dude probably and I've been I just want to say I know nothing about. He's like a Nordic Ode to get I think right. But also just does nothing for me like that again one

of those things I'm sure of he'd be a delightful guy to get to know but just currently does nothing for me. Okay, everybody. Yeah that's an endorsed fact. I've truly never heard never heard anything bad. Feels a little bit like one of the you know when know, when you're like simulating a round of golf on the video games and there's just a bunch of names on the later board, he seems like one of those guys. Like him and Bo Hogue. Bo Hogue's on my friends. They might be the same version.

No, no, no. He's English absolutely flush in the ball. Continues to flush it. It's five round 63, 66 63. Great round. Fireworks back nine from William Ho. Oh, yeah. So, so Fireworks back nine from William Ho. Saluting Lamho. Max Homa finished with five straight birdies on Saturday and then open birding five of his first six today made a made around he tweeted afterwards that he he

touched the sun. So and he called it hashtag Icarito. Max going from 176 in the FedEx cup to 117 huge, massive, currently projected to make it to the Northern dress. Is it about a stop 100? No, it's top, it's top, top, top, 125 and then top 70. That's right. Luga's Glover 6666 on the weekend, always fun to see him. 6666 on the weekend. Always fun to see him. 66, 66 on the weekend without winning is. Yeah.

Mackenzie hits. It's a Mackenzie hit. It was more like a 70, 70 or a 69. Polar opposite of Mackenzie who's firm 66, 66, I had the Honda. I feel like kind of in a obligatory shout out to Steve Stricker going and posting 13 under in a PJ Tour event.

Good for wife on the bag. That's pretty cool. Carlos Ortiz, home turf. He's up to sixth in the FedEx Cup. He's on a roll right now. Anyone seen Carlos Ortiz and Esteban Ocon in the same spot? Same spot. That's really good. Thinking about that during F1 today.

One good thing on Hovland, he's by, he bought a house in Stillwater, like that's where he's like setting up shop. I know he lived there, but I didn't know he was like, no, I live, live in Stillwater. One of the underrated things, I know we have this in our superlatives, but this isn't mine. But one of the underrated things you probably forgot about throughout the year was holland road tripping to all those first like post-quarantine events. Just like blasting music and driving, you know, eight, nine hours to these different tournaments. That was that was endearing. God, I want to get to know, eight, nine hours to these different tournaments, that was endearing.

God, I wanna get to know that guy. I wanna go have a lot of beers with him. He seems like a true legend. Stone Roy, I believe you refer to. He looks like Stone Roy. Another guy that I wanna hang out with, at some point, like he just seems like a really, really cool guy.

Andy Ogletree. No. Emiliano Grillo. Yeah. And I root formed on the stretch, and it's so painful to watch him because he's always like proximity to the hole and it just lives and dies by his putter and his putter gets so cold that it's not even funny.

He had a good putting week this week until overall. Yeah. Until today. But yeah, his putting stats overall are over part of the great. Great. I've seen Brendan Todd, another top 10. And you wanted to, I see here some shout outs to some of the young guys, Austin Necro,

who, an amateur, finished. What did he finish at? He was T12. T12. He was 14, shot 67, 65 on the weekend. Interesting story. I've kind of fallen out of following much of the college golf stuff since, you know,

that's the way of the world. But I didn't realize, you know, he's on the same team as Wolf and Hovelin and those guys was thinking about turning pro and then ended up staying in school with in these COVID times, partially because of the whole PJ Tour University thing, the you. So kind of a direct impact on, you know,

the world of amateur and professional golf, right under our noses there. I thought that was an interesting thing. The tour had a good write up about him on their website. Yeah. Akshay had a couple good rounds and then followed it up with really shitty weekend. So, but it seems like he's making progress. I mean, he's 18.

Yeah. I can. He Monday qualified and then was in the top 10 after two rounds. Finished T52. Again, as a, what we can say this for four years running now. Should be in college. Should be in college. People forget that.

Freshman in college. Yeah, I want to preach a lot of, a lot of patients on that experiment. If he emerges four years from now having made a bunch of millions of dollars playing golf and has a lot of experience and goes on to have a nice career, I'd say, it was a smart decision. A lot of people, you can say this every week. A lot of people talk and you could have learned, you know, there's a lot to learn outside of golf going to college,

but this is a decision he made a long, long time ago, and I'm very fascinated to see how it's gonna play out. You know what, a hashtag Woodwatch is a documentary just following that guy over the next 12 months. You know what I mean? 18 year old kid that turned pro really like no status, whatsoever, right? And just kind of traveling around,

trying to Monday into everything, basically, you know, just has all the game in the world by all accounts, but still trying to figure it all out. I think that would be fascinating. Let's not, like, I'm not gonna do it, but- And on the opposite. That would be a lot of work to follow along

for a whole year, but I think that would be a lot of work to follow along for a whole year, but I think that would be a fascinating story. On the opposite of the spectrum, you had Andy Ogletree. The aforementioned Andy Ogletree making his pro debut this week. I just wanted to say on Oxe, what I've always loved about him is he has very much has the half clubs will travel. As an amateur in high school, even though he wasn't really even going to high school Just showing up at Monday qualifiers for corn fairy like not afraid to put himself out there He seems like he truly he's like a golf nut too

Which doesn't always seem to be the case with the guys that turn pro early It seems like it's more out of necessity, so yeah, ogletree finished in the top 50 This is his pro debut is that right correct? Correct shout out to I always one of my favorite things about my coba is they have that plaque on the first tee Triple tree finish in the top 50. This was his pro debut, is that right? Correct. Correct. Shout out to, I always, one of my favorite things about my co-biz, I have that plaque on the first tee about John Rom. I'm saying that this is where John Rom struck

his first tee shot as a professional. Did they see that? Yeah. Bam a bearcat, I think. Holy famer John Rom. To eat a dad out, but that is, that's one of the truly, one of the more questionable plaques out there.

It always makes me live. So maybe they'll put one side by side for Andy Ogletree. Other guy who had a really good week, or another made cut, I should say, not a great week, but another made cut, Doug Kim. He keeps just plugging right along. He's had four top 25s in the fall. Shout out to Doug Kim, that that. That's the truth.

One of our hitters. Yeah, I don't think he knows that, but we're huge fans. I believe you want to give a shout out to European tour. I guess we talked about Bazaid and Hope, but do you want to have a discussion on where they're going? Yeah, I just wanted to ask you. I mean, you know, it's not so much a shout out

as like this was his third win of the year. And it was the second tier European tour. It was like the opposite field European tour event this week. It's better than not winning. Is there any sort of manipulation going on? Of course. Yeah. Like I wouldn't say it's manipulation.

I don't think he's going out of his way to manipulate the official world golf race. He's just beating the people who show up, man. For sure. I mean, he's just getting too many points for beating them. That would be my answer to that. Okay. But yeah, take us through the race to Dubai a standing.

It's actually kind of fascinating. I'm gonna watch the shit out of the Dubai, whatever the DP, Dubai, classic or world championship, whatever this week. You've got Patrick Reed leading and all these guys are in the field. So you got Reed, Morikawa, Fleetwood, Westwood, and Bizzadenholt, and then Victor Perez is playing too. I think he's six or seven. You've got all these guys in the mix and it's gonna be a pretty interesting, should be some really, really good early morning golf on.

And I wanna be clear, Bizzadenholt has had, you know, solid finishes on the PGA tour. I mean, he's obviously incredibly good golf. He just might be the new Norton. He's like, he's like, the new Norton, the new Norton. Wow. I mean, you got, you got 32 points for winning the Alfred Dunhill championship and the 19 for winning the South African Open. He's a lot, he's a lot younger than Norton, though, right? Then Norton was at the, at the time. He was at the time of his manipulation. And yeah, Bizzadenhood is 26.

Yeah. So yeah, great story. I'm a huge fan. So. You want to tell us a little bit about LPGA TC. I didn't really do get to watch much. Yeah, so it was just cold as shit in the plex this week. Angela Stanford won, shot like four or five hundred a day.

One of the best, like by far like the best round of the day. Like not even close. Really, really good leaderboard for a while too. Angela Stanford's impressive man. 43 years old. Been out there. I've been doing it forever. Just I think this is what her eighth win something like that. Eighth win over first one was 17 years ago. Yeah, unbelievable. You don't want see that on the LPG. No, and as always, we would recommend following Beth Ann Nicholsuit as the, but. Randy never gonna do a podcast with it. There you go.

She was, I believe she was, they are covering it or are covering it from afar, but always has great wrap-ups, great everything. So I was reading her stuff and, I was the first time she's won with both her parents in attendance. Oh yeah, her mom was a breast cancer survivor, I believe. So in emotional day, I'm sure for her, but yeah, just,

she's one of those people that- She's one of those people that- She's from Fort Worth. This was over in Dallas. Yeah, just like when everything you look at in women's golf is, oh my gosh, this girl's 17, this girl's 21, this girl's 20, yada, yada, yada, like just freakishly talented at young ages.

It's cool to see a, you know, kind of a Steve Stricker type out there, just kind of still doing it. It was great. Yeah, and like we mentioned at TC and Randy are actually heading to the US women's open this week. And we're gonna have some preview content coming from that and full recap next weekend as well.

Very excited. Yeah, it was good to see Suey on Rue, Inbee Park, Geniyon Co, Charlie Hole, they were all the studs we're playing well this week. Madeline Sagsstrom finished 10th. Didn't play great today, but good to see a top 10 from her. She's a friend of the program.

And it's also something we've been clamoring for, you know, it's just the way it's worked out. Like they have the scene to themselves this week. You know, they have the US women's open. No opposite, you know, P.J. tour event. There's a, there's a QB shootout. Of course. Don't watch that.

I've got, yeah, do we have to pretend to care about Tiger and Charlie Woods for this one? Does this count? No, that's not this week. Oh, sorry. This is like the PNC father. Sorry. The artist formerly known as the shark shootout.

Yeah, down in Naples. If they win that that is that gonna be just that picture Greg Norbert those go around Now you've all got that your head the is that Tigers is he breaking the same Sam's needs record like some of Sam's needs I was gonna say I like the father so shall probably a stronger field that some of Sam's wins That could be interesting all right well this is kind of the end of somewhat the end of PGA tour golf for 2020. Are we ready to do some superlatives PGA tour superlatives? Before we tie a bow on it, did it feel like,

I think we might or not all PGA tour superlatives, by the way, it's called superlatives. It felt like the the reach around season was even more confusing. Just kind of juiceless than normal. Like everything after the masters was kind of like, oh my god, what are we doing? I think a lot of us lost some juice. I think a lot of that's just the majors being kind of like

a lightning rod for all the energy. You know, otherwise I think that in the past, I feel like I remember as being on the podcast saying, oh, the fall's got a lot of juice, and you can check in when you want, you can check out when you want, and you can really, you know, when young guys are playing well, it's really cool.

It's an Asian event's going. Yeah, but I think this year it was kind of, you know, being in the proximity with such good events, it was kind of hard to get up for my co-bas and vegas. I bring that up, just kind of piggybacking on what you guys talked about last week or two weeks ago, just with all the quote unquote, strategic alliance, that I'm trying to get some of the best players from the PGA tour to play over overseas on an European tour. And I would imagine it's gonna be that,

or that Scott Irons stretch, and then this time of the year too. So does that mean that more guys are taking more time off in the middle of the year and then playing more this time of the year?. Right. So does that mean that more guys are taking more time off in the middle of the year and then playing more this time of the year? It's a good question. Having way more events in the fall now, like there's 12 events and when it was six, I think it was easier to kind of be like, all right, this is the start of the season.

I'll dial in for these six weeks a little more than I was able to for like 12 weeks. Yeah. But really in reality, the new schedule just trades, you know, season ending events that were going off of football for like now, season beginning and events are going opposite football. And it's like super clear to see just how many people are tuned into these things, judging by social media that it's just not really there. But I mean, yeah, that's their mission is to have as many of these tournaments as many playing opportunities as possible, even if the fans don't ask for it. So.

Also, we've got a changing of the guard on the rules official side. Mark Russell and Slugger White both retiring. Is that at the end of this year, at the end of next year? End of 2020? End of 2020, but they're going to moonlight a little bit in 2021. So this was it. This was the last day. Just to make sure that the shout out or the transition, shout out to government, is still, you know, is smooth and everything, but yeah, this was, this was it.

A smooth transition of power. Yeah. Um, well shout out, of course, to those guys couldn't have been bigger gentlemen. Uh, and, you know, hopefully they've, they've set up college funds in, in their honor for all these guys kids. Those guys are both sweet, by the way. Like, I just like said, I know they've turned into like caricatures with slow play stuff with the gentleman stuff at all of that, but that's a long illustrious career

and congratulations. They seem like super nice guys that you would wanna go get a beer with, but also like, are they the most objective, you know, like when you become a caricature yourself, is that a good thing? That's a fair question. I did see for anyone who's interested,

I can verify whether this is still a case, but I did see Mark Russell was on cameo also. He could be transitioning to the next phase of his career, which was truly one of the most jarring things ever. Unless he's a charging. Not a lot, it was like 20 bucks. I thought about firing one out. Maybe I will.

Hey guys, have a great pod. Mark Russell here. That pot is now in play. So this is what we've come up with first to proletims, done a bit of homework. Admittedly not a ton of homework on this one, but came up with things that came to mind for myself at least. Mark Russell is still on here for 30 bucks.

Okay. Can anyone's looking for a cameo? You just fired up tonight. Yeah, I'll fire something up. We've got shot of the year, the best event of the year, the worst shot of the year, the favorite incident that you probably forgot about, the biggest disappointment, slash forgotten man, heartstrings moment of the year, person of the year, sleeping giant, burning question heading into 2021 and event I want to attend next year award. So why

don't we, TC, why don't you start us us off with what is your shot of the year in golf? Gosh, you could go a lot of different direction. Guys, we can talk about. You're gonna keep you to it. This is a shot, you know, second shot into two on Augusta on Saturday. All right, that's your answer. Hold on. That's potentially the best shot of all time. But I don't think it was the best shot of 2020, especially from that lie.

Uh, we can talk about his birdie put on three on Sunday. We can talk about his third and eight that lie. We can talk about his birdie putt on three on Sunday. We can talk about his third and eight on Saturday. We can talk about his second and a nine on Sunday. His birdie putt on 13 on Sunday. His second shot into 14 on Sunday. His third and a 15 on Sunday. We can talk about Bramlet, Joseph Bramlet's Albatross on the second and a second.

Oh my gosh, that's sick. At the King of the Bear. And the Bear. For the love of God. The only God's course in the Bear. For the love of golf. The only golf course in the world. Co-designed by Jack Nickless and Arnold Palmer. We can talk about it.

For me, it's a two horse race. Morikawa's shot on 16 at Harding Park and Streber's shot in the playoff at RSM. A couple weeks ago. How's it? Those are two good ones. What do you got? I'm just going to make up for lost time that we just had there and say, my answer was more like I was shot on 16 at Harding Park,

but like the runner up might have been his T-shot on 14 at the work day. It's totally. Yeah, yeah. Threading an eight yard gap with Tri- For how about that? Yeah, both of those shots were like two of the ones that maybe moved to the edge of my seat the most in 2020.

Fun, you know, I was going through a lot of highlights while preparing for this, the highlights package, like the PJ tour highlights package, final round highlights didn't include that shot. I'm more color, which really, which was surprising. You had to go do a different video to find that, but that's neither here nor there. Uh, I of course figured you guys would, would pick, uh, more Kawa at the PGA. I would agree with that, but I'll, I'll go, I'll throw out a different one. Uh, metal, a scoff club, the par five, 7th hole, Tom Brady, holding out from the fairway,

from just over 100 yards. His mic pack swings off, he, like, looks like it maybe hates him in the schpons. Rip his pants. He hadn't done anything and then he bends over to get the ball out of the hole and rips his pants. It was just, just a really, like, honestly, maybe not even best shot, just maybe the best, you know, three minutes of golf television. Rob getting no love for the putt. That was, it's gonna get a mention for the something I have later on.

I mean, Rob could have been on there for the putt, he could have been on there for the chip memorial. Yeah, the bogey chip. The bogey chip, that's right. The monkey meme that he got after, you're hearing his ball moved. DJ, what was the best event of the year? Well, I mentioned I was going through the highlights earlier, but I'm going to say work

day. I don't think any event got me more fired up than that. Down the stretch, you had, you got to see the golf course in a different way. I mean, it's a golf course we've seen 8,000 times, but it was really cool to see the setup a little different. Obviously, 14 was moved up that made for a fairly dramatic fine around. Got to see more Kawah, got to see Hoveland, got to see JT.

It was just awesome. And then obviously the back and forth on the final hole in regulation with the two puts going in. And it was just insanely good stuff. The irony of that also, I had two for this one, but that one only being streamed online for the final round. Yes. How about that?

Easy to forget that that totally. Totally. But not for me. I think I was driving home from strapped peoria, like driving back to Florida, and the only way I could watch it was on my phone, which was actually a good, so I was not really taking the pledge that day,

but it was a much needed time to have the phone go. Do you see a event of the year? Mine's a stretch of events, of course. The stretch of the buzzer doesn't have to be from this year. Technically, it was the 86 fastest. The group of Salinas event with a pat raid beating Bryson. Pete. Yeah, Pete, beating Bryson into Honda.

Of course, you had Sungjae, Mackenzie Hughes shooting 66, 66, and then Bay Hill the week after, like, it was, that was that was proper. It was a strong moment in here. And like the, the, the, it was so firm. It was finally like conditions cooperated where it made it, you know it windy and greens got dried out.

And it seemed like the tour tried a little bit to make things harder and just a little bit different presentation and people were raving. So I hope they remember that and think back on that and kind of make it kind of a emphasis here moving forward. Yeah, I mean, I'd like to see the golf courses, not just like week of tournament setup, but like the only thing about Bay Hill

playing super fast in firm, it's like they don't have entry points to those greens. So there's just like no. Sick. But like I love to see a golf course. Just gonna miss the green. Yes. I love to see a golf course kind of play

that way where you have other routes to it. I'm not saying redesign Bay Hill. They should redesign Bay Hill, but that's not maybe the most realistic. Bay Hill's gonna be interesting to see, like over the next four, five, six years to see, I mean, master cards kind of propping that event up. And it would be a black mark on the tour

for something to go away from that, but at some point, places kind of tired and they're not really putting any new money into it or that, it's gonna be a lot harder. Prime for a facelift. The only one that didn't get mentioned, or the one that I wanted to mention here was the BMW, ramen DJ's Puts,

like the firm and fast conditions of those greens and what I think it's four under, got into the playoff or something like that. And I think, like going back to like leash, battling ramen at Tori, I mean, leash couldn't get the ball at T and like scrambling his take off all day, but like Ram was heavily involved all year.

I would give an honorable mention to Colonial as well. Yeah, I thought that was really cool. First of all, back in Daniel Berger playing well, Bryson doing Bryson things and blown over all the corners and it was really fun. I kind of forgot how well Daniel Berger like that stretch that you had there. And feel free to roll your eyes

that we just named two of our sponsors tournaments, but I can definitively say that was not the reason why they were named, but. Well, it was so much. I was so excited. There was so much. Yeah. There was so much pent up, like everybody wanted to watch golf.

Yeah, sports. There were a lot of sports. Yeah. Worst shot of the year. I didn't think this was sporting. I'm not gonna participate, yeah. Worst shot of the year. I didn't think this was sporting. I'm not gonna participate, guys. I'm just gonna, I'll give you one back. They made $10 million playing golf.

You can make some bad shots like it. Mine was kind of favorite incident that you probably forgot about and were shot. They both kind of tied together. It was Michelson saying, this one's for you or the... Hahaha. And then... And then blowing it into the shit of the law. That's really good.

I had a couple. He changed it in the second window. This is for you, Neil, the CEO worked it. I kind of, the first thing that sprung to mind was just JT's entire whole 18 at Capelua. I remember that being like really bad, but went back and watched it wasn't quite as bad as I thought. So I'll give it to Bryson at the memorial,

just continually pumping the same shot out of ads over and over and over, and then get into the rules fiasco. And I'm sure that's not gonna be the last time we talk about Bryson, but that was, that would probably be mine. It both definitely will. I feel like Ryan Palmer also deserved a honorable mention

for Stephanie, which whole was, was it 18? Was it 18? Or 17? No, 17 is a part three. 18, he hit it over the scoreboard. He didn't hit a provisional. Right.

And then held up the group behind him. Yeah, and somebody tweeted, I'm like, oh yeah. So like, this bad sporting of you, you know, to not hit a provisional. Yeah. Did not hit a provisional, to not hit a professional. And then he said, I didn't hit their shots

and use the wrong there, basically. Yeah, it was not good. It was not a good seat. So honorable mention for him. And there you go. I also want to, I forgot to bring this up earlier. JT had his worst body language today, which I always love. So he's got a much higher than that.

So fun. He's got a way. And he's just soaking all day. Worst shot of the year. I got two of them than that. So fun to watch. He's got a way. How you're just soaking all day. We're shot of the year. I got two of them, but both from the same guy. John Rom's shank on the 18th hole with the Zozo was special. It was amazing. It went so far right.

But also, he then like followed it up a couple of weeks later with his top on the 8th hole at the Masters. That's great too. So, you know, if we're gonna give you a shout out for your chip in and for the BMW chip chip, we got it. We got a real. I think honorable mention DJs shot on two

and the final round at the Masters, we just dumped it in the bunker. That was bad. It wasn't even remotely close. And that was a super hard shot, but it was so jarring, you like, fuck man. I don't want to talk about me. I don't wanna talk about me at first.

I don't want it to be like that. I'm like, God, which one are you gonna pick? All right, favorite incident that you probably forgot about is a tough category, right? Because some of them might be, nobody forgot about that. All right, and so this is what I'll say is, I'm gonna build this category for basically

the people who aren't just extremely online, who aren't just constantly seeing references to these things over and over and over. Yet you are tuning into a golf podcast in December. Of course, yeah, that's true too. Well, I think the idea is maybe we have to be online so that we die so that they can all live. Quick honorable mention to Brooks tweeting

the Kenny Powers' gif about Bryson. I forgot about that. Possibly being out steroids, that was great. I doubt that many people forgot about this, but for me, it's gotta be the chain spoke. Yes, number one. It's gotta be the chain spokeer's concert. I know it's referenced all the time on Twitter and stuff,

but it's unbelievable that that happens. Looking back. So this was my longest paragraph that I wrote in my notes was all about this, and it would be extremely impossible for me to ever explain to somebody who's not super, super online or wasn't super online that week, just what that night felt like on Twitter.

When the NBA, yeah, the video, the player covered out with the, you know, Rudy go there. Yeah, with the touch of everybody's bikes and then he tests positive. The NBA cancels their season while like a bunch of fans are in the, in the stadium. Then the tour tweets out this tick-tock of the chain smokers concert. And I mean, it was just, they said whatever happened, it was, it was unbelievable. And this was all on the heels of J going on CNBC to announce like the TV rights deal and the.

The back. The back markets go down everything. Just crashing the interviewers were just like just almost looked like disgusted to have to be talking about this. And they're just like asking him COVID question after COVID question. And I mean, it was just. It was. It was a real shit.

Own goals of our time by the PGA towards PR apparatus. It was a big time, big time own goal, but also just a, just surreal, what the fuck is going on kind of a moment? It was just, it was very weird. And every effort to try to get through that week when it was like so clear to everyone outside the organization that like this is not,

you are not getting through this on Sunday. Like you are not, but NBA just canceled their season, you know, you're going, so then they come out and say, we're playing, starting tomorrow with no fans. It's like, no, you're not. Maybe way through the day, they're just like, hey, we're not gonna, like, they said no fans tomorrow, but as more people

are coming through the gates, it was crazy. Yeah. It was also the same name. It was not sensical. St. John's County had their first COVID, like positive test. It was just all kinds of things, just hitting the nexus at once. And so at the center of that, and this can't be overstated, just how funny it is that it was a concert, that it was a chain smoker's concert, that it was just like, it was out of the 70s.

The smoke, the smoke, the like, the beat dropping, where everybody's jumping up and down. I mean, it was truly surreal stuff. The fact that that was one, I mean, promoted of course, the social media aspect of it is completely ridiculous, but two, like, you know, it wasn't like, hey, we gotta do whatever we can to get through this golf tournament this week.

This part of the week was not cancelable. This was like, no, this is not on the table that we're not gonna have the chain smokers play on something to do. Not only did they not cancel that, they didn't cancel their scheduled social either. Yeah, I was gonna say, I assume that the tweet had to be a scheduled tweet, I would assume,

but it was good stuff. And it would have looked a lot different, because in years past, like it's been a country act, and they, they, they emptied off this year. Yep. And so the fact that it was the chain smokers versus like Jason Aldin or something like that, just, just made it that much richer. Oh, the chain smokers fucking suck. It's so bad. That was just such a god, what a perfect.

Perfect. They got in trouble later for the summer for place. Yeah, they were doing the same thing. Yeah. You just got super spreaders. I had one to add in there. Whatever happens happens was of course up there. And then,

Keppka putting Bryson in a body bag after Bryson called out his abs. That sentence just like is absurd. Bryson calling out Kepka's abs on a Twitch and then Kepka tweeting out like, the picture of his four major championship trophies, you're right, I'm too short of a six pack. Which is like a layup tweet, but it was also pretty sick. Just speaking of Bryson,

just, I can't imagine anybody would have ever forgotten about this, but just the whole quarantine video, the whole 15-minute quarantine video, I mean, that deserves to be referenced at any available opportunity. We will get there. Okay. Yeah. No, mine, I mean, mine was, I'm giving you guys one back. It was a, it was a, it was a dual one. Biggest disappointment, slash forgotten man. Who is the forgotten man? Who is? Like Davis. Oh, yeah.

The distance inside's report being and just total kick the can down the road, advocating any responsibility whatsoever. I feel like they actually took responsibility for the first. And said, yeah, we're gonna keep studying it for the next two years. That's because of COVID. The COVID thing was like back a year.

No, but I get the sense that it was gonna be like, oh, like we're gonna be toothless and kind of shaking shits about it anyway. So. I see, I'm gonna give them a big benefit. And then Mike Davis bouncing. That's could be a good thing though. Maybe, hopefully.

Fresh blood. I actually thought this was the first year they showed a little bit of spine with the equipment stuff. With coming out with that and the Ridley stuff, it's like something, something's gonna happen, I think. So, just not maybe not as soon as we'd like. My forgotten man, I hate to do this. He's not here tonight, you know, to have done this, but Rory. Big dick Rick. Oh, big, big, big, yeah. I mean, it's chronicle now. He's outside the top 15 of the world. It's been a very tough year. There was a very interesting scathing read from Amon Lynch on golf week, just calling into

question process of team Rick of how he's spending 32, 33 days a year doing sponsor obligations and how Ricky has commented in the past. I would have fixed your preparation. Now that his golf has fallen off, it's I think very fair to call a lot of that strategy into question. And for a long time, I thought Rick kind of got kind of the female treatment of people love to cite and how many wins he has, but don't appreciate

how really, really good he is at golf, I wouldn't say great, but like his results dictate that he probably should have one more tournaments, but now that golf has fallen off to the point where he's not nipping around the top five, top tens of tournaments anymore. And it's a different, different era. Hopefully it's a short one, but he was a quite a disappointment this year.

That's what, of course I had spieth as, you know, biggest disappointment, you know, it wasn't the year that he turned it around, maybe next year. But be on that ahead, Rick as well. And I think the only thing I'd add is what makes him the true forgotten man is, I feel like people have kind of just stopped caring.

You know, it's like when Rory doesn't play well, everybody's like, what the hell, what's going on? Let's talk about this when, you know, Brooks doesn't play well, when Bryson doesn't play well, it's a thing and Ricky just hasn't played well for a year. And I know he's going through swing changes with John Tillery and all that stuff, but I mean, it's, yeah, people just seem to have lost interest

which is wild since he's by any measure like one of the biggest stars in golf. So I thought it was an interesting like where to lay the blame in Aiman's column because yeah, you can blame his management team, you know, hashtag team wasse, I want, but like at the end of the day, it's Ricky telling them, you know, what he wantsse, I want, but like at the end of the day, it's Ricky telling them, you know, what he wants and what his priorities are

and clearly his priorities. Like, I think, I mean, it seems like at Augusta, for instance, like he's doing corporate shit that week with Mercedes and it's like, yo, like nobody else is doing anything that week, man, like that takes fuel out of the tank regardless if you want to admit it or not. Yeah, no, it's not, the blame is I think shared there, right? He should be able to, if it's something is affecting his way to ability to prepare for

tournaments, then he should be able to speak up and say, I don't want to do this. Which, like, I think it's possible to put up like Ricky, like I'd like in respect Ricky and be highly critical of him at this, like, on this subject. But yeah, I mean, like, he's got more, he's got what, like, 10 or 12, like, major, major sponsors and he has six wins and his 10 or 11 year or 12 year career. Like, that's not good.

That's not good. The only thing I would say to maybe bounce the scale a little bit is, like, nobody really was saying this when he was playing really well, you know, he's probably doing the same amount of sponsor obligation stuff I know granity doesn't have as much time to kind of like dig it out of the dirt or whatever, but it also You can't tell if it's when he was playing really really well He should've been winning more and that was the whole issue, right?

I suppose and honestly like as a Marriage expert of a month and a half like getting married a marriage expert of a month and a half. Like getting married, getting married, a lot of sponsor obligation and tournament prep, those three, I guess used to just be, you know, sponsor or tournament prep and sponsor stuff. And now you add in like, I got family into your life. Like that is another tug of your time.

And now it calls in question, like, do you have all the time to be able to properly, you know, work on whatever you're working on? I'm not saying his work ethic is not good, but it's just probably a lot going on there and I don't know if that new variable really through that much of a wrench and things, but you've got the tour spoon feeding him deals,

like partnerships, like the Grand Thornton deal. Like that's wrapped in with the players' sponsorship and everything like that. I'd be pissed if I was one of the other tour players. Like why is Ricky getting this and JT's not? Or it just seems preferential treatment for a guy that maybe hasn't earned it on the course. And not to take an unsolicited shot,

but I know we're gonna talk about F1 later. And every time I think about F1, I think about the access you get to these guys through the Netflix series and all that stuff. And how much more interesting would Ricky be if we got to see a little bit of what was going on over the past year? I mean, if like, I mean, I don't blame him

and I wouldn't allow any more access than I had to if I was him, but man, it'd be great to see like, what's this struggle look like? What's it like, what are you working on with a new coach? What's going on? Maybe that's just, some of that is just a lack of independent media and that stuff, but I would love to have humanized this category a little bit more. On the flip side though, that's energy.

No, totally. You're exactly right. But that's, I think, you know, when it's F1 or something like that, I guess it's dictated by the league, so you kind of have to do it. But it's, yeah, I'm in no way suggesting he should, he should open up, you know, his doors to some camera crew for no reason, but like I'm just saying as a fan, man, it'd be great if we had that, not just from Ricky, but from, you know, every player.

The fact that the tour hasn't done anything in the 24-7 hard knocks, drive to survive, vain is like, like, what are you guys doing? You're just even asleep at the wheel for a decade. It's funny, but after watching the Formula One race today, they give you like, what are you guys doing? You're just even asleep at the wheel for a decade. It was funny, but after watching the Formula One race today, they give you, like, you know, when something crazy happens, you know, 15 seconds later, they've got the audio of the racer and the team talking to each other. And it's so engaging.

And at one point during the round today, I was kind of half in, half out watching it. And like I got, I thought I heard the little, you know, sound that it makes when they're gonna do that audio. And like I turn my head and like, oh, they got on course audio. And then I remember, like thought I heard the little, you know, sound that it makes when they're gonna do that audio. And like I turned my head and like, oh, they got on course audio. And then I remember like, no, they don't. I had anyone course audio out there. Like why would they, why would I get my hopes up for that?

What's your guys heart-string moment of the year? I think this is your category, D. What are you pulling for here? I had Women's British Open. Sophia Poppon. That was on my short list. That was great. I mean, that was as high drama,

I think as we saw in golf this year, just have watching her come in. You know, learning the backstory, I will not pretend to know that I knew much of, you know, won't pretend to say that I knew much of her backstory coming in, but knowing that she missed out LPJ status by a stroke, basically I had to grind it out on the cactus tour,

got into the event, one of the events in Toledo and just kind of like slowly built her way into this event. And I think showed up ranked like 304, 306 or something in the world. And then goes on to win a major. I mean, that was just, it was awesome seeing her battle, just everything. All that context, seeing her just hold on on that back nine was fucking awesome. And then here in around the podcast, it was great too, it was a great interview, so thank you. I'm gonna go in a different direction, although I had Chris Kirk on my short list when I was King Bear Classic,

after all he's been through, Co-CRACK winning after going all in was cool. But one, there was one story, and it was very, very beginning of the year, a lot of people probably forgot about this. I hope as to say what I have. It was Tommy Gainey winning in the ball. Oh, oh.

Shortly after getting pinched in Operation Census, Nodilist in Polk County, Florida, for solicitation of a prostitute. Just trying to get a BJ, man. Damn, that kind of neutralizes mine a lot. I mean, what, what an underdog story. And they didn't even acknowledge it on the telecast. And it was like this million pound elephant in the room.

Operation Santa's naughty list. That sheriff is that bad guy. Is something I forgot about. Favorite incident that I forgot about. Oh my god. That's a great pull. Mine was so to speak. Kind of going for the funny angle.

And that just like totally just dunked on mine. But Patrick Reed overcoming adversity to win the WGC Mexico. After all he went through, you know, in Australia and the Bahamas that was just unfair, you know, avalanche that was slung on him, um, just daddy with no choice but to punch a fan. All the whole locations over the years, talked on the right, front right side of the game.

It was just amazing to see that. I also had a more serious one, Jim Herman winning Wyndham. Yeah, that was like unbelievable and, uh, really fun to watch. So all right, next up, we got four more here, person of the year, kind of like time, time's person of the year, I believe, DJs, and most newsworthy, et cetera. This is the easiest one out. I mean, Hitler was person of the year one year.

Of course, of course. So it doesn't have to be a positive person. No, no, no. You know, it can be a very, very negative person. So I had two, I had Omar Eresti and Bryce. I'd love to hear the case, please. You know, Omar, he's on a two week winning streak right now on the club pros circuit. God, you're a success.

You won the club pro championship this year, got into the PGA championship, just taking money out of actual club pros, you know, mouths. And then, yeah, and then Bryson, you know, Bryson, just- Money on the cobwebs, some of them are far-forced here. And then, you know, Bryson, just doing everything that Bryson did. I was gonna say, it's either COVID or it's Bryson. You know, I don't know if you take your pick, but- I mean, Bryson was the story of the year in golf.

He saved golf content for this current year. He made Tiger seem like an afterthought. It was the most interesting thing going on every week. I mean, Tiger wasn't afterthought. He was, but I'm saying like, you didn't even care that Tiger was teeing it up. It was like, is Bryson in the field this week? Feel free to add to this list of things I have

in case I've forgotten any, which I'm sure I did. I almost was gonna look at your list. I'm glad you brought it. I added, I kind of accumulated, but gained a million pounds, became the longest hitter in the game. He fought some ants. He made a 10. He asked for the manager of the PGA tour.

He called out Kepka's abs. He cooked bacon shirtless. He made artsy B-roll videos. Said he wants to live to 130. Yelded a camera for videoing him. Yelded another cameraman for taking pictures of him, had his caddy block of cameraman, a Mirfield village, berated a rules official,

won the US Open, teased us with a 48 inch driver at Augusta. And then complained about not feeling well at Augusta after downing eight to 10 protein shakes a day. Which we haven't, I haven't seen in case. I haven't researched much, but I haven't seen much followup on the whole price and not feeling well, getting a bunch of blood work done. But that's neither here nor there.

Really? Hip-a-home. That's true. Yeah, I mean, I think it's price and no doubt. That's a very thorough list. Who is the, you're sleeping giant? So I had a question. Is it too lame to pick ROM?

Because I mean, I think he, he seems like the guy to me. And if it's not Rom, I think it's Bryson, right? I mean, I think like this question, the literal John, this question to me is basically who is, you know, who has just year the takeover game, right? And I think it's kind of down to those two. And you know, of course, Rory and Brooks and JT and Dustin and all those guys are two, but I just,

if I had to put my money on two guys, it'd be one of those two guys. So if I had to put it on one of those two, I guess it would be wrong at this point. Interesting, TC. I thought about going back to Bryce, and I just wanted to add like, biggest disappointment was actually Bryce

and not like playing better at Augusta, because I think you would have forced their hand a little bit more and brought some of the distant stuff a little bit more to the forefront. Yeah, until April. It can still happen. That's true. You know, and sleeping giant, you know, obviously like it wills out tourist, Davis Riley, Scotty Sheffler, you know, JT. I think he's, I've said like I think he wins multiple majors next year. I think the true sleeping giant is a guy that won a major this year, that won the FedEx Cup as well. That's Dustin Johnson.

I think he's just scratching the surface of what he's capable of doing. I had to think about who won the FedEx Cup. I'm surprised that's what you went with. Yeah, not the most. I like where you're going. I just think Skye's a women. He could pull off one of those years, like a tiger, like you're like a VJ, like you're when VJ won,

like seven or eight times that one year. I went with Scottie Sheffler, you know, one just to a PSTC. Man after my own heart. Just to a PSTC, but it was, especially with the metal spikes now. Exactly. It could be a game changer.

Well, you know, in researching for his podcast visit, which if you haven't listened, go back and listen to that. It kind of just made it hit home, I guess. And I kind of, I didn't know how to ask about this, but it was, I guess I kind of lost track of him because he felt like he was an amateur for so long. I'd heard the name and I was kind of like, oh, he must have kind of fallen off,

but in reality, he was just playing good, great amateur golf for a long period of time, taking his time to come in a pro. And he's done so well at so many levels that I'm like, oh my god. Yeah, this is like no wonder he's playing this guy. No, don't listen to anything that I said or I'm saying I'm like he said right now the 30th ranked player in the world and I don't think he's anywhere close to like he's like you've said in the top 10 players in the world. Yeah. And I really do think it's, even though I've been closely falling and having to root against him,

I don't think I even fully appreciated just how good he was up until now. And even like his story, I mean, coming out and like you didn't have full status, he had barely any status on Cornfairy and then played his way into full tour status from not having any status. It was crazy.

But yeah, his fall was really, really, really good. You know, COVID kind of, he didn't, you know, really come out swinging great after that, but fourth of the PGA, fourth of the Northern Trust, second in the 72 whole scores at the tour championship, and then rolling over to the new year where he had some success in the beginning of the year last year, I think it's going to be interesting. So that's really, that's just very big of me. That's really big of you to follow. It really was big of me. I didn't apologize, but.

I, what's next? Burning questions. Burning question. What's your burning question heading into 2021? I think for me, it has to be, you know, again, it's not super inventive, but what's up with Rory? At the end, at the majors, you know? My head is's not super inventive, but what's up with Rory at the end at the majors, you know? My head is very simple and is the, is the mid-grade back?

Yeah, it's back at all the McDonald's locations domestically, but is it really back? And for how long? Yeah, you know, and I think that's, that's kind of the only question left in golf right now, I feel like, right? It's like, yeah, Dustin, listen, Dustin's a great player, Brooks is a great player, Ram's great,

yeah, Ram wins, he can get his first one, I guess, is kind of a burning question, but like that's gonna happen eventually. I think the only thing left is that's truly, I mean, it's been, what, six years now, Ferrari? What the fuck, man? What's going on? Yeah, so he had that Q and A in golf week with Aiman,

as well, and other showers are Aiman. I didn't realize this is the first major going back to Ovenu that he's won prior. And Aiman puts it forth as a milestone in your career as he's like, it's a matter of entering a different phase of your career where you're getting back on that second rotation of all these courses and everything.

And I think that'll be an interesting case study as you see that. You got congressional in the coming years. Where else did Rory win? The Hall of the Hau Lake. The Hau Lake. The Hau Lake, yeah, which I think, I don't know about Hau Lake, but I know Vahal is, I think, planned for a PGA

in the coming years. Who could say? Who could say? Another, we know they're going to Bedminster before they go back to the Hau Lake. But yeah, will the rib assert himself was my question? Yeah, so it's interesting that we all turn our heads to that. But another huge question going into 21.

20, 24, PGA. Falk off. Another huge question, despite us talking about them every single week, is like, what is going to happen with Bryson? This was the first year of the experiment kind of learning the ropes of it. Does he win six times next year? Like, does he win two majors?

Does he quit and play minor league baseball? He could play football, it looks like a linebacker. Exactly right. Does he win a major by 10 shots? I mean, I know a lot of people think you jumped conclusions on this stuff, but wing foot was jarring and didn't look like I mean, I know a lot of people think you jumped conclusions on this stuff, but like, wing foot was jarring and didn't look like it was the limit.

The sky truly is the limit. The roof is the ceiling. All right, what's a bigger question? Does Brooks kind of come back and reassert himself or to spief show signs of life? All right, guess what do you think is more likely? Brooks. Yeah, I would say Brooks, but I hate that I have to say Brooks, but I would say Brooks. Yeah, I mean, I am along for the joyride that is speed, but it's very much of looking

at it's, I'm not trusting the process right now. And at some point we're going to get caught with narcotics, with slip with the whole speed thing, and get thrown into federal prison, you know. What is the event you want to attend next year award? Are we assuming no COVID at all? Like you would just, that was what I struggled with, because the first half of the year is probably gonna be.

I don't know. What's the event you wanna get to in the next two years? I mean, of course, goes without saying with the rider cap, but I put Soul Heim cup, that's my, that's one of mine. That's, of course, goes without saying with the Ryder Cup, but I put the Soul Heim Cup. That's my top of my list. I think that would be. It made a great venue. Yeah, absolutely.

Inverness. Turned. The Embanero Sala WGC Mexico Championship. Now I just said that was in the COVID COVID-19. Yeah, COVID-19 times. Maybe a 2022. Yeah.

And then I had the Walker Cup at Seminole next year. I think that would be decent. TV cool. And the 2022 which it all opened. I've always wanted to go to that cornferry event. It's supposed to be like the original. It's like the minor league version. The first dollar beers thing. It's like the minor league version of like 17 or at 16 at Phoenix. Yeah. Wasn't that where they booed Tom Gillis that one? of like 17, or of 16 at Phoenix. Yeah, wasn't that where they booed Tom Gillis that one? And then the US met Am at Onnan Talket this year. It's gonna be just, all sorts of lit.

Hopefully we can all go. That would be a thrill. I meant to give a shout out to Joel Damon, you guys see, was putting like happy Gilmore, like actual, like separated hands putting. No, I did not say anything. Shuffle birdies, it's kind of jarring. Yeah, so I had a ton of bad side,

but that's also being shirt on. Today. Listen, that's gonna happen. It's a party boy shirt. It was, it was just, listen, we give Joel a lot of credit, a lot of run on this show. I just, we need to call it both ways.

It's a tough looking shirt. Who do you guys have for the US women's open? I'm gonna concede my time because it won't do me any good. It won't do anybody any good to hear my prediction because I haven't researched it. I'm way out in a limb number one player in the world, Jin Youngco.

I'll cosine that. Trending. Yeah. I wanna do so you knew. I want to be my heart pick and she just is coming off a runner-up finish, but yeah, if I had to pick it, be genuine coat. I don't know anything about the course either, so.

I'm excited to hearing some dispatches from our correspondence this week. You and Randy. Ask my vid test this week. Get another vid test on Tuesday. You read talks and formula one? I am, God, I've been ready all day. That concludes the golf talk.

Do you want to give a shout out to Rose Zhang? I believe you did. Oh, I do, yeah. So I had beers with a friend of ours who's a big AJGA guy and he was just saying, hey, it was like, like, serious, like looking in the eye, like, seriously. Rose Zhang is like, she's a killer.

She's back to back, AJGA, girls player of the year. She's the number one women's amateur in the world right now. She's the reigning U.S. women's amateur champion. She's headed to Stanford. She's only a junior in high school. So she's still got another year to go. He said she's like the most camp miss talent he's seen in a long time.

So I'm excited to see that. From Irvine, California. Three straight wins in the HHGA. She only played like four H.A.G.A. events, like she was playing, you know, top notch world class hamder events. All right, we ready to talk some formula one. Been ready all day.

First of all, you guys ready to talk? We had to fake our way through the golf talk. We talked some formula one. What a day. I'd try and, please, the floor is yours. You've truly earned this moment. Yeah, I'm racing point. Yeah, you guys have been shitting on racing point all year.

For cheating. Like not that they're not good. No, they're really good. You just don't believe that they're cheating. That's on their own accord. Cheat and ass racing point. You guys, you guys, carp, very, very, very critical of, of checko.

So do your press. Not true. All year, the pink panthers were fast today, baby. They were, they were, if you're going to lob all these allegations, maybe it's easier if we start where we're coming from. With your apology. Which is, first of all, what I've been saying constantly, you brought up the WhatsApp thread. If you'd like me to read any of this, verbatim, I'd be happy to.

Check out an absolute just homicidal murder today. It's unbelievable. I've tipped my cap, I recognize it, I, nothing but credit. Lance, just a completely flaccid T3 and I will not be recognizing that. It's all anything to add on that. I mean, it's just a total crowning.

Like it was. It was so, it's just amazing the more I watch for me the one, how much like, one, how much has to go wrong for Mercedes for them to not win. They almost overcame like three disasters today, and still would have won if Russell doesn't get that puncture coming down.

And so like, like as many people saying, they'd like to see the tire, for proof, maybe they'd hold them off the track, who knows? Really? I don't know. Conspiracy. But like, the shit that happened with it, they had a, you know, they messed up a pit change, they accidentally put some of Botos'

tires on George Russell's car. Never been more disappointed in Toto before. They had to call George back into the pit and he was, he was still gonna win. That's what was nuts. And then he gets the puncture. Like, it was, it was just brutal. That was the most exciting, like that first 20 seconds. It was most exciting 20 seconds of my entire life. When he passed that bow toss, that was unbelievable. He just outfooted him. And for stab and wood a one by a good margin.

Oh, I mean, the race was a total shit show. I mean, like credit to Perez for battling all the way back from literally last place, but like that speaks to like how nuts it was. It was a cool track. That was of course. So it was the outer was a cool track. That was, of course. So it was the outer ring of what they did last week. Yeah. They should use that more often.

Yeah, it was sweet. Lots of good, good variety. I don't know what I'm talking about. The stuff, good variety, lots of good. Good race, a good time. We had a wheeler. I have a Mayacolpa, because everybody was saying, you know, it was like a NASCAR track, or it's, you know, it's a FOSS design track, or a Irman Tilkay, or whatever his name

is. But, yeah, that was probably the best track designed by him. I've seen in the recent schedule. And then we've got Abu Dhabi next week. I love the night races too. Yeah, I mean, it was a cool look. I have this one because it was like a sandstorm going on. You got the fireworks going off. Like, that, yeah, that's great.

Well, the issue I had, I guess guess, with Checo this week is like, yeah, it was the Claire's fault for trying to pass up there, but I don't think Perez was without blame. Like, it looked like he had to assume. He was trying to rip across faith. Right, he had to assume that there was gonna be someone there to go that hard to the right. And for him to come out of that unscathed

and Max to get in the wall, he'd be out of the race, did not seem fair. I mean, Max backed up the bus over LeClaire, which was at the very end, too though. Yeah, he took the blame as he should. As he should. What's the jailed ribs, he's saying? Yeah, I told you, he said, yeah, I told him he's trapped. He is.

He is. You know, Ocon, I don't recognize, not an Ocon fan. So that's what you can't, you can't, you know, flout, tout, Sergio's win, and then just completely ignore Ocon P2. Well, I mean, I can ignore Ocon's P2, just as I can ignore Strolls, just as you guys can ignore Strolls P3. That's what we're saying.

It's kind of a, it was a, like a show show. So you lost those two, but Chekhov's win was, it was a win. Especially after what happened last week. Oh, of course. No, it was great. It was great stuff. And you got Albon.

And you got Albon proved to be a complete disgrace. That's the big takeaway. Like Albon needs to not have a seat anywhere next year. And like, I mean, Botos got just completely embarrassed, right? Yeah. I mean, they were saying before they took off, they're like, what's, oh Botos, you know, is he's securing his seat, but what's,

you know, what does he got to do today? And they're like, no, he has to win, man. He's starting on the pole in the same car as this kid. And he just got his fucking doors blown up. Right from the first five seconds. It's unreal. The fact that they had to like, I know in a bad luck with the tires down the stretch

and shouldn't have fallen all the way to whatever he was eighth, but like that was, the damage was done in the first 15 seconds of the race, 20 seconds of the race. To the fact that he's had to like give all these commands to Russell like steering wheel commands that you would never have to give someone. This, that's what I would assume. Cause like he's learning the car in a week.

And the fact that he was ready to win it. No, I didn't mean it. Yeah. That he was ready to win this race and damn puncture got him on. All right, so going back, like, are you guys, why are you guys so critical of straw? I know straws not a likable guy. Why are you so critical of him versus like, I think Dana Riccardo shit the bed today. I think my clear and-

I kind of have a cool record of the stop for the last couple weeks. I love Riccardo. Yeah, he's cool. Stroll's a fluffer. I don't know what he's talking about. He here had a mediocre day. We're not anti-stroll. We're not anti-racin' point.

We're anti-TC. It was not that difficult. I'm definitely anti-stroll. I mean, I know it's a very one dimensional hate and I'm not taking the time to learn the full picture, but it's very much just my dad's the coach, and so I'm the starting pitcher. It's like, it's like, it's three-strip.

Yeah, exactly. That's, like, a scroll is, like, obviously a very good race. Of course. Of course, and that's where I'm saying, I'm like, well, I'm not listening. I'm just not taking the time to learn both sides here. I just, he's, he's fun to root against, so I root against it.

And then I go on with my week. And then this Mazapin guy, the Russian, he sounds like a complete menace. So is he taking Perez's spot? No, he's going to Haas, I think. Oh, right. And Haas is getting all sorts of Russian money because he's got a, I think his dad, like a billionaire as well. And he's like punched people in Pit Row. He's a lunatic. Sounds awesome. You know how to punch? Good to. That's what I need to keep his head out of swivel.

If Gootter starts acting like a wanker, he's like a punched. Pera has moved up to the fourth in the standings and he does not have a seat for next year, which is very wild. I'd be interested to see what happens with Red Bull. My podcast guys I listened to were like very adamant. It's Albon Seed still.

I know that there's like all this momentum going for I just don't know how to do changes any I don't know how honore and good conscience does that you got exposed for the third or fourth You know race out of the last six. Yeah, he is eighth in the standings behind Carlos signs and Shawlclaw So and then Joe I mean what is George George George just go back to, like, like, let's say, let's say Hamilton, it's crazy how good Hamilton is, too, just in the midst of all of this. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, also kind of a bad look today for like, Russell was going to win the race in Hamilton's car and Russell doesn't have a point yet. Just speaks to like, how for him or say these are. Oh, yeah, for sure. But also, like, it's just just gonna be jarring for like, it's like workplace violence to send George back into the Williams after what he's experienced this week. I know.

That would be a tough, I was saying he's got to like go, get back in the Williams minivan next week. It's gonna go back to playing persimmon next week. It's gonna be like, yeah, it's like pleasant though. Once everything turns to color and you get to go back into black and white. It was an exciting, exciting yeah, it's like Pleasantville. Once everything turns to color and you get to go back into black and white. It was an exciting, exciting, exciting race. If you wanted it.

What is a virtual yellow? Virtual safety car is like, you're basically, you can't overtake, but they're just not sending the safety car actually out there. It took so long for them to get the front wing. That front wing off the track. Because the track was so short, there were any gaps and cars coming by and you couldn't get a marshal out there to actually get out there and pull it off the track. Because the track was so short, there were any gaps in cars coming by,

and you couldn't get a Marshall out there to actually get out there and pull it off the track. Because like, like at one point, the Mercedes, they were gonna, they were gonna lap everybody, and then they were gonna lap like eight or nine cars twice. Yeah, great. That's how much faster they were on this track. It also speaks to like, very very like our amateur take here,

like maybe how bad Lewis Hamilton is for the sport in terms of just putting George Russell in his car. Like I was rooting for Mercedes for once. And like every other week, it's like no, we don't need another Hamilton win. Like we've seen this a million times, we wanna see something different. How much more exciting was today?

Knowing that there was gonna be somewhat of a surprise winner, no matter what happens. It's not, you know, easy to say, I know, but without the drama and the weird things that happened, like it wouldn't have been very interesting. Like George would have won by a lot. But that would have been interesting. It would have been, but I mean,

he was up by, what, eight seconds, nine seconds? Like he was just gonna continue stretching. And Colby kind of made Formula One and more interesting all year. We got new tracks, we got new drivers, there's some little wrinkles all year. I also think just going back to, I'm so pumped for the full schedule of Melbourne, Singapore, all those.

I never watched them in the co. Yeah. So, all right, I think that's going to bring us to a wrap for this week. Thanks to everyone for tuning in for an hour and 20 minutes in the off season. That's how you know you love golf and maybe love for me the one. So keep your eye on Toto. Okay. I'm T.C. He's got some. I'm hearing some things people. I'm hearing he might be, he might be headed Lance Strollsway. Really? Lauren Strollsway. And Lance Strollsway. Long, long ball, Larry. That's, which I don't know what that does. That would drop in Obama, that's, be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most.

How about in? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different.