No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 385: U.S. Women's Open Recap

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

A Lim Kim wins in a dramatic Monday finish at Champions Golf Club. Big Randy and Tron return from Houston to tell the tale of their visit to Houston, recap the week and what they saw on the ground, Amy Olson, women's golf on TV, some of the young guns on tour, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to a special Monday edition of the No Laying Up podcast. Sully here and back from their big trip to H Town. Is that the cool way to say it? Big Randy is here. H Town. Hello Sully, sitting across the table from you and H town sounds great to me. TC is here also back from his big trip.

Sitting diagonally across the table. Diagonally and across. Thank you for that lesson. So we learned a little bit this week, a lot about a lot of the top women players. We also had a little conversation with some of the fine folks at Callaway. Really actually, I guess, educating ourselves on the golf ball. I found out I was playing the wrong golf ball, which I kind of already knew, but helped make me actually make the switch to the Chrome Soft X. Callaway had more than one-third of the balls in play at the US Women's Open. They were a triple track.

Well, then one-third were a triple track, excuse me, which is kind of wild. And Neil and I just played. There was a lot. Neil and I just played the triple track in our little all shot tournament that we played in this week. And I'm in, I'm totally hooked on it. The Odyssey was the most played putter at the US Women's Open at and at every major

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Huge of true. Which I told, I warned our friends over there that we were gonna roast them for that one. Don't you have final say over the copy? I guess I truck that. I have editorial say. But all right, time to talk some US women's open. You guys were there, I believe I've mentioned that.

We were there. We can talk through the final round, but I want to hear it kind of take away. I'm getting out of the way of this one. You guys tell us real Vinny VD VG stuff from TC and myself. Can we solve the common group? Tell me about it. What were your big takeaways?

Well, first of all, those are first tournament on the ground since the players. I know, that's, it's kind of jarring to go back to one. Since the, since the chain smoker's gone, sir. You know what, it was good to be back out watching some golf and, and I think I speak for Randy when I say, it's never not refreshing to be at a women's golf tournament. It's the absolute best.

Whenever I need my batteries recharged, I just need to head out to the LPGA. What is it about it that recharges your batteries? It's just a totally different spirit and aura about the event. You know, everybody just seems to be in a good mood and everybody's glad you're there and it's just so much more approachable and relatable. It's exactly right. And then from a work perspective, you know, from going to a tournament, trying to do certain things, the fine folks at the LPGA, the USGA was very accommodating this week, they asked, what can we help you do? What do you guys want to do? Here's how we can help. Like, it's so nice. And I feel like

a lot of times we head out to the men's tour. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, maybe we'll let you do that. Wait, wait, what are you doing? Okay, how can we get in your way? Okay. Okay, and there's a lot more, there's just stories to be told out there

that, you know, there's just not enough people telling them and there's not enough people listening to those stories either. So, hoping to change that, like, I mean, shit. We so, like a great example, we're out, we're gonna get a pod with Bianca. I can never pronounce her last name. I've gotten really a lot better at it. Pogged it. Pogged it on in. Who we followed for, you know, probably 18 holes between the two days. She was, she was

fascinating player to watch. I'm like, sky's the limit. I'm buying all the stock. But we are out there with her coach, Kirito. Kirito, Bill or Ramon. And his story was unbelievable. And then, Yucasaso, former coach for Yucasaso as well. Randy, you want to tell Kirito's story a little bit? Yeah, so I knew, I knew Kirito was Bianca's swing coach now. And so we just, you know, friendly chat and we're three of the, I don't know, six, seven people that are following the group and

you know, do you live here? No, I'm still in the Philippines. Okay, cool. You know, Asim and we come to find out he had one great golfer in his own right. He had won the US boys junior. What is it? The world junior. The world junior. Three times, including a 12 shot victory over Phil Mickelson. And then he beat the shit out of Phil in the, was it the US junior AM or the US AM? One of the quarter finals of that, goes to Weber State on a golf scholarship. Gins up, getting hurt or whatnot,

but he was in all America's freshman year at Weber State. It's just, but it was like, it was the kind of thing that you would never, ever find or uncover at a men's event. Cause A, the story would have already been told or B, you know, like people don't talk to you like that. Somebody's coach isn't just gonna be likely

just strolling around Chatton. I mean, got a hell of an umbrella for us when it started raining. It was great. And he manages the construction business in the Philippines. He's not even a full-time coach. And he's probably one of the more brilliant golf minds out there.

So anyway, it was, like, I was pleasantly surprised by the venue. Champions was, I didn't really know much about it going in. I mean, I knew the back story, Jackie Burke and Jimmy DeMarit, but didn't really know all that much about the course. And not a whole lot of fairway bunkers off the tee, talking the Cypress Creek course, the main course,

but like really interesting course off the tee because a lot of dog legs, but it was relatively demanding, but without having a bunch of fairway bunkers out there, which I thought would be. Colonial-esque, a little bit. It looked like Colonial TV. Yeah, very similar, relatively flat land,

but there was still some, some, you know, undulations there. You guys make your way over to Jack Rabbit. We did. For today. Which I want to clear that out, folks are like, oh, I can't believe they're playing to the only reason they played two courses was they wanted to keep a full 156 player field. Because of the daylight in December this time of year, they had to spread it over two courses to accommodate all the golfers. Jack, the scoring averages were almost quite literally identical between the two. I mean, it was, I'm sure they're different golf courses. Yeah, Jack, the greens were a lot smaller.

There was no draw really, basically. There was no, you know, breaks in that fashion in terms of who got to play which course was today and all that. So the biggest thing being out there with the course was the greens on the Cypress Creek course were so fucking big. I mean like we were standing there. You couldn't tell from 150 yards out if somebody was like 60 feet or six feet, you know, up there until you got up there. It was their massive. Which I found the pins to be in really interesting places on the greens and that, you know, just being on the green wasn't a great shot necessarily.

And, you know, you had to bring in some, I feel like people can confuse big greens with being easy, which I think it's more, it's way more interesting to have a ton of space, maybe out to the right, and you're deciding how much to take on or just hit the safe shot and bail out. And it's a calculation of that for 72 holes in different positions.

I would say some of the holes, it was like having multiple greens for the same hole. And yeah, it's all mode is one, but it would totally change the hole, like number nine, that back right pin. And I got, I didn't even see where the pin was. I was like, oh my God, there's a whole right side over there. I didn't even see that.

And then it looks super tucked on this little finger when you're standing on the fairway. And then you get up there and you realize, like, oh, there's so much more room up here than you think that par three on the front was another example. Four. Four. Yeah. Had that little or no, eight. Oh, with the little tongue up front, yeah, the front where the pin was today. That was awesome. Um, I thought the setup was awesome. We liked, we actually liked the front nine.

I thought the front nine was just a little bit more interesting, not that the back wasn't good. I just thought there were some features on the front, some specific holes, like number four. We just mentioned number five was a pretty good dog leg, left part five, where you had to position your t-shot to deal with the tree on the inside of the dog leg. And the trees, they were limbed up to the point

where you could hit recovery shots. It dared you to hit the hero shot. I was shocked a few times, and you know, happened a day too, where just seeing players struggle with those punch-out shots and they were just getting the ball too high, couldn't figure it out. They don't have to punch out nearly as much

as a lot of men's players do. I think maybe that and also I was thinking like maybe the Bermuda's just a little jumpier. You know they're just expected that ball to be a little bit deeper into the Bermuda but because it's dormant, you know the club just gets through it easier. I don't know. There was some weird stuff going on with the grass too to where it was and the conditioning was great. I mean the greens were perfect.

Obviously a bunch of mud balls, I don't think there's anything to... We gotta talk about that. Yeah, but... Randy's gonna defend the mud balls. I have a few like kids. I think overall, they did a great, like as far as the agronomy for mid-December, they did a great job with what they were given.

And, but it was interesting in the rough. There was, I don't know if it was Zoezia or St. Augustine or something, but there was something mixed in with the B were given. And, but it was interesting in the rough. There was, I don't know if it was Zoezia or St. Augustine or something, but there was something mixed in with the Bermuda. You'd see the green look kind of running through the bed. Yeah, and so there was some fatch underneath there. So there was some really inconsistent lines. It was cool.

On TV, it played in terms of like, really keeping your eyes on the screen to see if it both stayed in the fairway because it was gonna be punishing if you were in the rough. You're dealing with overhanging limbs. And all of that can be tied back to just this is the scale that golf makes way more sense on than the men's game does. We can talk about that a little bit later.

But yeah, there were some players, a lot of, it wouldn't be a US women's open or a US open in general. If there weren't some bitching about set up conditions, ball, ball, seems the players were quite perturbed with not playing the ball up in the fairway. And the mud ball, mud ball sent that it was. I want to say something to bones though first. His bones was making a big deal about that,

that whole location on what was that? He didn't make a living up to the deal. He said, he said, he said, I'm not going to say it's unfair. He was like, it's up against me. And then he insinuated 50. Or was it earlier or was it right? Was it six?

It was six and then again, the one on 10 I think was very tough as well. But it was like, no, it wasn't unfair. It was a tough pin, but it wasn't unfair. If the win would have blown, it could have been, like I think they- They also moved some teas up, they moved like three or four teas up today too.

They did, which it's in, but I'm saying if the wind could have blown today, because like they they set up the course for Sunday correct and that's why they didn't go lift clean. I mean, they don't ever go lift clean place but like that's why it was, you know, it was set up to be played Sunday but players had teed off Sunday.

So there's no changes you could be make from and was way colder Monday than it was on Sunday and the course was still set up at plenty of length. And even they, they've from Saturday to Sunday or from third round to four round, third round to fourth round, they chopped like some 300 yards, 350 yards off. Which is what this setup. Yeah. But yeah, it could have with some wind this day could have been extremely, extremely

interesting, especially a whole like, because the wind was coming out of the north, I think today, like switched around the wind was coming out of the north, I think, today. Like, switching around. It was supposed to be, yeah. And it kind of died off, but, like, a whole, like, four. So there's three really good part fours right in a row, kind of start things out, and then four is that part three. Kind of feels like, like, it's like an LACC kind of thing,

where there's like this big creek, it almost looks like a barankah back there, and there's multiple teaboxes to this. That's the one with the big, the big building kind of behind the green. And that one I think with a North wind howling would have been very, very, very challenging. It looked, the whole thing just looked extremely challenging even without wind. I mean, in terms of the clubs that they had to hit into the greens and how short the, how long the golf course was playing, I just hated seeing players get punished for balls hitting the middle of the fairway

and just accumulating mud on them and just being put completely behind the eight ball. So again, it's kind of like if the golf course wasn't set up difficult, that would be an interesting element to see players battle. But when the challenge is difficult right in front of you, when the pins are tucked, the ball is bouncing. You're no longer testing their skill ability. You're just testing like the luck of a ball coming off the club face in the right way. Randy's just shaking his head and disgust and doesn't believe this. I'm with you, Sally. Thank you. My question. I just, so the way it was presented to on NBC was kind of, I guess, is what Tom Abbott

did a great job. He's just like, if you're asking why they're not playing lift game in place, the USGA just not do lift clean in place, which I knew they'd never do it, but I hadn't really thought of it in terms of basically that is a USGA rule that you can't do it as how he intimated it, which I didn't really think I fully understood. That's the part that made me really upset, was just like, really, I mean, you get to clean your golf ball in between holes,

you get to clean your ball when you get to the green, why the hell can't you clean it when there's mud accumulating on the ball in the fairway? Randy, I think that was the question that you asked was, That's a good point, you struck a blow to my defense when, you know, and frankly, I would be willing to meet you that let's not touch the ball in the green. I knew you, I knew that's where you were gonna.

No cleaning, no cleaning the ball in the green. It's, you know, there's, hey, there's a little lock and gof. There's, I think some of it is, let's see who deals with perhaps a bad break or let's see who, you know, hey, that ball, the mug caused it to miss the green. Like, let's get up and down. That's probably going to happen everybody over the course of the day. You know, it doesn't bother me. I liked that the

USG actually stands for something. I wish they would stand for some other things. Speaking of standing for something, I thought, you know, I thought it was firmer and faster greens than at wing foot. It wasn't. I think the course set up relatively speaking was much more difficult for the women than at wing foot. I mean that might have a little something to do with how far the golf ball goes. Totally, but it was also, you know, I mean, some of it was conditions, some of it was, but for the, that's a tough combo and it's that soggy in the fairways. And then you're hitting into still really, really firm greens.

Right. And yeah, I'm still amazed every time I watch women's golf, just like when I see a hybrid or a wood in someone's hand and I'm like, oh, all right, this is a big tough shot. And then they just drop it in the center of the green. Like it's nothing in the way they, and I know it's coming in from a shorter distance than men, you know, hybrids in three woods, but it is amazing at how their scoring mentality does not change.

When, you know, when those, when the, when the male pros have those clubs in their hands, like, it's usually like getting the bunker or get somewhere near the green, we'll figure it out. But the, the ladies are like dropping it into very difficult spots with hybrids. And so fun. Yeah, the ones on was at 10 or 11 today. One of the groups just watched them like, man, like that was insane.

How good those three shots were from 200 yards out. Well, I was gonna say 16 was a great example. The birdie, I mean, with the hybrids specifically, Jin Young Coe made birdie and Shabu No. She didn't, I don't believe she made the pot, but that was such a good shot into 16. Landing it right over that bunker, just, that's gnarly.

And then, like, I mean shit. I think Shabu no had one from like 160 or 65. I think it's this crazy high, you know, hybrid that lands and stops within three feet. Max, I'm at a great tweet that he ordered a hybrid during today's broadcast, but welcome to the club, bud. Max, if you're listening, that's a 15th club too, because you can bump that thing around the greens.

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Broadcast again, like on that exact note, unadiraptive coverage today. I did not shower until almost like one o'clock today. So it's like, I don't know when, sir, I couldn't get any time to take a shower. I couldn't look at it. I know it's tough. Check my phone, couldn't check Twitter.

It was so much. I know they did great. They did a great job. The only, you know, only complain on my end was no Judy Rankin and no Stupples. Yeah. Yeah, we're care. We was no Judy Rankin and no Staples. Yeah. Yeah, we're care. We saw Karen earlier this week.

She was around. Maybe she had something this weekend or she's awesome, but I can't get down with, with Paige. I just, it's not personal. I just, she's not my typo. She's getting reps. She, I, yeah. But overall, good, good television package.

I, I'm sure we'll get into it more here, the early round debacles. Should we talk about the winner? I know. We just, we got going. I mean, it's been on my radar. It's on my radar. I know we should not wait 18 minutes into the podcast before talking about the winner, but I think everyone's kind of left a little, I don't feel alone in like everyone's kind of left scrambling for nuggets ongets on a limb Kim because she's 94th ranked player in the world, one of 41 first time U.S. women's open competitors in the field. This is coming from Julie Williams Golf Week article. Total pro. Julie's the best. So I got to be honest. I didn't know a thing about her coming into this week, but her golf swing is one that stuck out to me. One of them,

I got, I don't have, there was no storyline in my mind to follow, or at least as I was watching, I didn't have a storyline on her to follow, but other than when she was swinging the golf club, my eyes were drawn to this, to the screen. And every time we watch women's golf, we say this, like, you can learn way more from watching the women play at this level than you can watching from the men in terms of your own swing. And that was, look like a swing you'd want to copy. Yeah, I mean, six birdies today. I didn't, I didn't see six birdies out there.

Birdie the last, you kind of snuck up and, it looked like it was gonna be a just, you know, clawing finish. It was kind of a willet. Yeah, sure. Sure. It's almost too much. Sure, sure, sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like, yeah, you just come out of nowhere and snatch the thing and kind of stamp out some of the drama. Which, if they'd have had commercials going today, that's like the exact player they probably would have lost track of, you know, because they would have honed in on Shibuno and, you know, Amy Olson coming down the stretch. And they were afforded the ability to follow all of the key players within that. Even people are finishing around the bottom of the top 10.

Like, they stuck with both the Gichanagarn, sisters. We saw Aria do some good stuff, a lot of bad stuff as well. Jin Young Co, exceptional finish from her. She said such a bad year too, it's bizarre. Did Lim Kim play the whole tournament with a mask on? Or was that today? She was a whole time. There was probably what half a dozen players in the field that were playing with a mask on.

I was gonna say like for a daily today that would actually make a lot of sense with how cold it was. Just one more thing to keep you warm. The fashion today was out of control. It's so good. It's the best. Lee Sixx had a parka with sponsors on the back of it. How do you even get that in time? How do you plan for that? You know, Lim Kim had a full white park on in between shots. And I thought you knew on Co's earmuffs were elite. Who else had the fantastic earmuffs?

I don't know how to great, great kit on. You'll leave me know. I thought you'll leave me nose pants were aspirational. Yes. We, it's a lot of people were calling for first one, no laying up earmuffs to make their way. Yeah, actually the, the merch start said the same thing earlier when we were watching. So. I got some, I got some A-lim Kim facts for you guys. Currency of SoulSisters.com.

S-E-O-U-L. 25 years old. Obviously plays full time on the Korean LPGA tour. No nicknames. She broke through in 2018. Was her first win on the KPL K LPGA. She led that tour and driving distance. Which I think like I was so impressed with her swing. I saw Marina Alex

tweet, like, like, swing goals at A. Lim Kim. Uh, question. Is, is it, is her first name A? I couldn't figure it out. Or is it like her, she's Lim Kim, but there's multiple Lim Kims. And then she bit instead of going with numerical, she went with, you went with alphabet. I think it's like so young, Rue, where you call her so young. Yeah, right. So, one thing you're dressing her as A-Lim, that makes sense.

But I guess in Korea, does that make her first name Kim? Actually, is it switched? I get confused. Do we sound like very dumb Americans? No, I mean, like, Tian long Guan was Guanian long and vice versa. So I just Chinese though. I know.

I'm just saying names don't necessarily translate to English. So that's right. It's okay to be confused. It could be a word or a different. Yeah, whereas Lee Six was literally like the Jung and Lee Six. There's multiple of them and she just goes by Lee Six, which is of course awesome. So you guys have some more takes on some players, I believe. First of all, Jin Young, come to all the takes.

My pick, finished one shot short. She is an absolute killer. She had such, I think she got into the CME end of your tournament via this because she has not had a good year. No, no, no, she just wouldn't hear. That's why she... Yeah, she just came over a few weeks ago. Did she not play at all the first few either?

She may have not, she may, let me check to see, so I give you proper information. I'm all Shabu no all the time. She's awesome. I was rooting for her. I thought I found myself rooting for you at the same time,

watching somebody with the lead of the US open, kind of getting like struggled to that was also felt like very fitting. It's bizarre, because she had the left going a little bit. On the front nine, the up and down after she hailed the wedge, the up and down after she hair milled the wedge, the up and down of the mud. Oh my God. That was so much.

Oh, and the air mill, she's scalled the wedge over the green. Like that was up here blade long left. So before we get away from Ginnyanko, her first tournament this year was the Pelican, the one in Tampa in mid November. So she finished tied for 34th there, finished it up with a fifth at the volunteers last week and then a second here at the US Open. So she will qualify for the year and CME to her championship on the strength of three tournaments. Her game is so, so classy. Yeah. And just her whole, her whole vibe is classy, her whole ethos. She, she shot 68, and then in B shot 68 today too. We followed in B a little bit, both days Thursday, Friday.

Gosh, she's... –Ellicate game, right? Beautiful. –I wouldn't even say... –I wouldn't even say... –Oh yeah, yeah. I would say, like, I do not know how she gets the ball to the green, but then once she's inside 70 yards, it's over.

It's game over. –Complete machine. It's the kind of playing's, it's, oh, it's game over. Complete machine. It's, it's the kind of playing style that just like gets eliminated at the men's game with the current technology, like the current trends in the game, whereas that, it's a different style of play. And we see a lot of different styles of play on the LPJ tour, Bianca, say it, sorry. Pog, Denon, Pog, Denon, and absolutely murders the ball, Fosse, absolutely murders the ball. And then MB Park is right there

without hitting it literally almost nowhere. Yeah, so I think MB was with Aria and Soyeon Roo. The first two rounds. Yeah, and it was Zara watching all of it. Because I mean Aria's carrying her three wood past in B's driver, but you know, Aria's carrying her driving iron pass in B's driver. Yeah, and it was pretty firm out there

the first couple of rounds. We were walking with Mav, McNially who was fallen Danielle, and he was saying he plays pretty often with in B in Vegas, and he's like, man, she's got the weirdest putting stroke. It's like this out to in kind of. I hitches a little. Yeah, kind of side swipe and it the ball comes off

Pure every single role So I I was like what's like who do you and which LPGA player do you enjoy like watching an ass we immediately in B. Parks putting and that's what Bethan Nichol like in B. Parks putting is She might be the the global boss of the boss. She's just so positive and happy all the time to she as she like it's like watching Cory Pavan Basically, I mean, yeah, cuz Cory Pavan's drives you can actually in the cameras You can see it apex and then go on its way down same with NB Park's drives

They don't leave like the camera view. Yeah,'s one eight major, seven majors, something like that. I think it's seven. It looks like she stops her swing. I told Tron, like her bottom half almost looks like it's not moving. Her game is so aspirational for me. Like, it's such a slow swing speed. She has two different swings. She's a back swing and a forward swing, but they don't match.

It's awesome. What else, what are their burning takes to you guys have? Do we want to start at the top of the board or some early, early in the week stuff? I think we need to go top of the board, and then we'll go early week stuff. I think Amy Olson, you know, thoughts, thoughts out to her family,

for father and law, passed away suddenly. So she was playing with a heavy heart today. Saturday. On Saturday, yeah, yeah. In the middle of the trip. Yeah, and her husband's a assistant football coach, linebackers coach, I believe, for orthocote estate. Correct. Yeah. And yeah, so really, you know, incredible performance under pretty trying circumstances for her. She played so well. I thought she, I thought her irons were just like early in the back nine,

it was like, there's no way she's gonna lose. Yeah. And I don't think she didn't lose. It goes back to A-lim Kim just went and took it. It's my opinion. Yeah, she played the last 14 holes two under and got past. Like it was some, the bogey on 16, I'm sure is gonna, it's gonna hurt a little bit. She just...

Bad start. So, yeah, she even said she plushed it. Like it was, it was a good shot. She was just a bad result. She was flushing in all that Shrinkled Hicks and and bones. Yeah, bomb and it passed her, you know her playing party It looked like just a final round of a US Open champion and that's I

Did not see that the finish coming from a limb Kim. I don't think many people did so she gained yeah She was 300 the last three and and Olsen played the last three even so and got beat by one Well nugget on Shabu no she wants to and the last three and I'll simply the last three even. So, and got beat by one. Well, Nugget on Shabu no, she wants to join the LPGA tour. And finally, after having the option to say and thanks, but no thanks after winning the British. So I don't quite know exactly what she has to do, but I heard that she's going to go to Q series if need be.

So we're going to see a lot more of Hanaka Shabu no in the years to come. I didn't realize, even after the, when she won at Wooburn, I didn't realize she was only 22. Wooburn, you're gonna get real. Just cause you're gonna get real interested. I thought it was Wooburn, it's Wooburn mass in Massachusetts.

I don't want you to, I don't want you to come after. I don't want the issue of a male culpo, but the story I heard a couple times of the broadcast, but the fact that she thought it was a, she thought she was going to go play the women's British at like a Lynxlin course and showed up and it was treeline. She had no idea. She was pissed. There's something to, like I was pissed too.

She's not a, it's not a Cinderella story. I mean, she's a, I mean, this, this solidifies her more. I think a world class playing. Yeah, she just hadn't really traveled the world to play. I don't really fully know the story why, but the fact that she you know was you know 36 and 54 whole liter at a US women's open and has won last years AIG women's open That's a that's a world class player. She's apparently a huge huge deal in Japan too I mean just a rock still marketing

You know Giant over there. She's quickly, quickly becoming my favorite player out there. She is, she is fun to watch. Megan Kang, I thought, hell of a week. I thought it was going to be her day for, for, you know, a little bit there. Just, um, couple of stumbles on the, the one on five, she bogeyed the par five, the fifth hole,

and then a couple more, but bogey seven and eight, birdied six and nine, and then bogey eleven, which eleven was tough. So. So this is where the women's game is so wild. Megan Kang's 23 just finished tie, or solo fifth at the US women's open, you know, it was her 8th women's open in her career. Guess how many, guess how many US women's

opens Lexi's played in? 11. 13. She's 25. Oh my god, over half her life at age 25. Yeah. So the best, best major finish though for Megan. So hell of a week. She was an awesome, there's an old trap draw. We actually TC and I did from the beginning of 2020. We actually talked to her late in 2019, but it came out 2020 with Megan.

She's so nice, she's so Boston. Great story. Can I work in a question here that I've been excited to get to? This is from Foxlox, I believe is how I would say it. Everyone keeps talking about how it's so much better to see the courses playing at these yardages, but aren't the women still bombing it compared to 15 to 20 to 30 years ago? Like they use the same tech as men, so why isn't there a distance problem in women's golf? She says, serious question. I'm only asking what your thoughts are on the distance debate.

And if it only applies to men's professional golf. Let's say it certainly applies to women's golf, but not at the same. It's not as alarming because the swing speeds aren't maximizing the benefit from the technology. I was gonna say, let me tee you up here, Salih, you're trying, you guys know much better than I do. But my understanding was the swing speed

that the men, the professional men generate greatly maximizes the distance that the ball goes. You're maximizing compression and maximizing flight where your 10, 12 handicap amateurs and the women who typically don't swing at that fast, the ball just is not compressing, and therefore is not flying as far as is that the gist of that? That is the gist of it.

And I think that it just, it's so hard to explain to that. I think this, it's an important question to tackle, because what we just watched, felt feels to me like the scale of the game of golf that works the best. I mean, it was 63 or 64 hundred yards for women playing it. As far as how far they're hitting off T-Shots, the factors they had to consider going over bunkers,

going right of bunkers, going left of bunkers, trying to figure out what to take on. They're hitting hybrids and longer clubs in. But layups in the par-fives were a lot more fascinating to watch them play this week versus normally. Like it's normally an afterthought, lay ups or second chance on a par five. But it felt like there was,

it wasn't a driving contest, it wasn't a wedge contest, it wasn't a mid-iron contest, it wasn't a chipping contest, it wasn't a putting contest, it was a complete all around test of all of those skills. And I think week to week on the men's tour, it can shift between a lot of those things, but often huge emphasis on driving it.

And it's just, I don't know, I wish I could say exactly as to why distance hasn't taken over the women's game, but it seems to me that just the male athlete is able to condition their body to hit up on the ball and hit it much further and the technology allows them to do with such a little risk that it makes kind of blows the scale of golf out the window. And it's something that some of the longest women aren't able to do on a consistent enough basis. And I it it almost like the point you can miss with that is that you don't even appreciate

How skilled they are from a lot of these yardages or I guess even for the men you don't appreciate how skilled they are at some of these shots Because the technology just doesn't require it and nearly the same frequency anymore. Yeah Yeah, it's just if you watch hopefully the people that watch that I can't imagine anyone walking away from that and thinking that distance is even remotely an issue at this level. That's why I'm pro-bifurcation. It's because it's not like everyone needs the ball to go shorter. I mean, I don't think the women's game needs

the ball to go shorter at all. Like there's nothing, I think the technology, as it currently stands, is makes the women's game very interesting. Whereas I think it's the opposite on the men's side. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I think that's very very interesting. Whereas I think it's the opposite on the men's side. Is that fair to say? Yeah, I think that's very well said. That's really a line.

I think it ties in well with our discussion of this week. It's going to be really interesting to see. There are quote unquote, like power players coming up on the LPGA. The LPGA very cheeky, very forethripe, or the USGA paired three of them together this week in Maria Fossi and Van Dam and Bianca, Pogdenonin. You got it.

It's just refs, it's just refs that they've got. You're all afraid to go for it, but Pogdenonin. And so it'll be really interesting. I mean, certainly they're not the only three that can hit it, you know, they're- Angel can hit it for, like there's Lexi obviously, but like, I think, and Van Damme, she's out of those three.

She was the one that had the most left in the tank, where she's, she gets this high draw and she's working with Foley. And like you could tell, she had probably another 10 yards in the tank beyond. But some of this goes back to course setup too, because the LPJ courses are not set up to be, if they played it a lot longer,

you'd probably see the game trend a lot more towards the women trying to bomb it a lot further, trying to figure out a way, but when you play it at this distance, it just doesn't require, the advantage isn't the same to be gained, that there's multiple ways you can chart yourself to the whole. Well, even beyond that, I think it's interesting

how much they shorten, I mean, they shorten the course up three or four hundred yards as the week went along. And on a men's, like the men's courses aren't long enough to where you can do that in the first place. They're trying to find every little bit of distance to get all the way back there. So I think that's an interesting distinction too. It's, you set up committees, have the flexibility and the variety to be able to do something like that, whereas they're so constrained on the men's side because they're just going to be a push over other way.

Hopefully Fox locks. Hopefully that's a adequate answer. I think it was. I don't know who it was either. I think he or she was feeling kind of cheeky about asking that. I'm not being a smart ass here. It's like literally what is the difference? I still think I don't fully understand it, but that's the best way I can describe it. At least from watching as a fan how it plays out,

I just, way more intrigued watching the shots that were acquired. Because like, they just don't need to manipulate the golf courses at the women's level, they like, they do the men's. Like they didn't grow the rough up, rough up like wing foot. They didn't make the fairway super narrow.

You know, it's, it just, it played like it played, even without crazy conditions. So. Can we talk to you, Channagorn sisters? Yes, absolutely. Please. Scorecard, front nine, birdie, par, bogey, birdie, double, bogey, bogey, birdie, birdie.

And then. And that double was on a par five. It's inexcusable, really. And she birdies 12, we get her back to even for the day after all that. She is like, why I've followed her a bunch Thursday and Friday. And God, she's just like so invigorating to watch because she's, she's so good with her irons and she's streaky with the putter. But it's like watching spieth like inexplicable stuff happens.

And it's so talented, but just like so little control over what's going on. Yeah, it just seems like she's along for the ride, you know? And speaking of this old distance thing, she doesn't, I don't, she doesn't carry, she certainly doesn't hit a driver. I'm not even sure if she has one in her bag. I look, she doesn't carry a driver.

Her caddy's Jane Park's husband Pete, who's the man, and yeah, she doesn't hit a driver. I'm not even sure if she has one. I look, she doesn't carry a driver. Her caddy's Jane Park's husband Pete. He's the man. And yeah, she doesn't carry a driver. She hits the shit out of her driving iron. I mean, her three, I mean, she hits like in the ones, I think I've seen her hit in the 160s ball speed with her three wood, which is like, you know, what we're striving for with drivers.

I mean, she hits the ball, but like it goes, it against peaks to like it just not being that much of an advantage on the Opio if it was that much of an advantage she would probably find a way to figure out a way to hit driver, which it's still surprising to me that she hasn't figured that figure that out and you know in the many years she's been a pro. But yeah, it's it's a it's just a roller coaster ride. Speed comparison is so accurate because she is never in control. You do not know what you're going to get. You're going to get birdies. You're going to get bogie. She do not know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get birdies, you're gonna get bogies.

She's really fun to follow. I love her doing fun. She's funny, she's engaging. We did a great video with her when Neil and I were up at Country Club of Charleston before last year's US Women's Open and she's just like, just will roast you and she has a great sense of humor. It was a great clip they posted of, you know,

when her sister was Mariah's doing a press conference, she came up and asked her question like, hey hey, how far does your hit sister hit it past you? And then Mariahs, like the opposite sort of player, like very calculating, very, you know, very proper player. It's just, it's just interesting to see kind of both of them. So, you know, they were both in the mix today, just ultimately too many bogies, kind of in that middle part of the round, and then Moria had, she was too over on the back nine. So.

We've got a question here about, this is from Maddie Ice Nichols, is Maria Fosse the Alex Albon of Women's Golf? Has the tools but no results? Well Randy was gonna bring this up. Yeah, essentially. the tools but no results. Well Randy had, Randy was gonna bring this up. Yeah, essentially. I think, I think she's kind of in the Ricky Fowler. She's like Ricky in training.

She's in the Ricky Fowler laboratory right now. I think, and she exudes just it, right? The way she carries herself, she wears big aviator sunglasses. I can see why everybody in the women's game wants her to be a star. Her swing is crazy athletic. She hits the crap out of the ball. But man, she, she doesn't really know where it's going. It looks like she's made some major swing changes. I don't know where she is in that process, but like from when we did the video on her

at the KPMG LPGA last year, it looks very different. It looks way more conventional now. So I don't know where she is in the swing change process. She had the left miss in play, which was both invigorating and terrifying. But we're in that's out with like Albon and Ricky. We're being a little cheeky, but I do think there's a lot of truth to that is, you know, she's the 138th ranked player in the world. She hasn't won on the LPGA

tour. She didn't really have a sterling comparatively speaking college career, but yet huge sponsors in some of the biggest groups, probably one of the most well-known names to catch, you know, golf fans, but casual LPGA fans. So it's really interesting. I mean, she's really young. She's 22. This was only your second season on tour. So I don't want to like barrier, but it is, there's some going on where it's like, okay, I realize you guys really want her to be a star and to push her, but the game's like good for the game But the game's not quite matching the profile. I had some concerns to The mom was way way out there as far as like you know

Talking to her between Whole yeah, it was you know just got a little bit like all right. Take a step back You know 22 at this point. Yeah, that's, yeah. And that's not young. But it was interesting to watch, you know, she was, she kind of shot herself out of it. She had, you know, terrible day, Thursday. And actually came back and fought pretty hard on Friday when she, you know, didn't really have a whole lot to play for other than pride. But it was interesting to see Fifth Hole and Van Dam Fossy and um... Do you want to take its wing at it?

Bianca Pagnonon. That's pretty good. Okay, that's pretty good. She uh... Pagnonon. Pagnonon, whatever. The emphasis is earlier, Pogdenon and Pogdenon. Pogdenon.

Okay, so um, you could tell Fossy, like she she had nothing to play for and she was like, all right, like I'm gonna she'd like told the other two. I'm gonna swing out on my shoes and I'm gonna try to out- to actually come. So it's really interesting to watch and and she was like, all right, like I'm gonna she'd like told the other two. I'm gonna swing out of my shoes and I'm gonna try to So it's really interesting to watch and she she was probably What eight yard shy? I thought all three hit their drives pretty well And it was anvandam the furthest by about two yards and then Bianca and then Fossi I don't know five six yards behind yeah and Bianca hit it a little bit higher She's got a little bit more spin on her ball.

And then Fossy hit this approach into five that was like from, you know, there were probably two, two 30-ish out. And it went so far, right? Foul ball. It was sick. With the three when it was a foul ball. Oh no. Yeah, that was going to be right after a few misses left

the first day, and then Dan, we've got some concerns there. Love watching, love watching. So just like technically such a good golf swing. Lot like Rory, potentially a throw or not a pitcher. Sorry. I had a feeling that long. And she's deep in the lab with Foley right now.

So. It was like Lydia and. A lot of people on Twitter were like, RIP, her back in like two years. I would say out of that group, I am putting all of my chips in on Bianca. All right. Bianca made one of the worst worst books.

Oh my God. No, our double on number nine was the worst golf full of the tournament, I think. It was the last thing we saw before we left. It was so depressing. But that's easy. You're leaving on that note. Because she had played like the second shot she hit in to five was insane.

She was like 10 feet away. I have a question for you from Scott Van Gerwin. What were your thoughts on the women worth watching? Hashtag felt very condescending to me and the constant bombardment of PGA player tweets featured during the broadcast was painful. If the tour wants better LPGA numbers innovate the brand slash broadcast and parentheses LPGA drive to survive question mark. Don't confuse the LPGA with the USGA slogan.

So I would say that to Mr. Vanker when, yeah, I thought it was condescending. I thought it was preachy. I thought it was condescending. I thought it was preachy. I thought it was kind of insulting. I don't like all the activated kind of scheduled tweets and Instagram posts and everything like that. It just doesn't feel authentic at all. Oh, it's horribly an authentic. Yeah, it rings hollow.

Especially in the context of the coverage debacle on Friday. To take us through what happened exactly there. They bumped up play due to weather and then it was not, basically, the weather was in the afternoon and the broadcast window for television did not move. Correct. They basically got preempted for the QBE shootout. They didn't do dick on peacock and it was all like golf channel.com and then supposedly that fee was. And they didn't do anything on the golf channel.com feed it.

Because it was locked on some image of a lake for hours. Yeah, it was so insulting and like and it was so it was so jarring to see that against the whole background of women, you know, hashtag women worth watching. Well, yeah, that's a thing is you make such a big deal rightly out of their worth watching. And this is the last major of the year. And all that's great.

And then when one little thing doesn't go to plan, they have to move the tee times up. Like golf channel can't, that's not unforeseen. Like that's not a ridiculous thing that happened in golf tournament. Yeah, two. Can't bump like a glorified exhibition on the TV. No, I mean, not a glorified exhibition,

in actual exhibition. Yeah, like it's just, the QB shootout is makes the hero world challenge look like the fucking 2000 US open. Which is disappointing because early in the week you get stuff, you get stuff like Molly Solomon and folks like going on and doing everything that they need to do and it's like, where is she when,

like she should answer for this decision and like they're never approachable. When they need to have contracts work by. I don't understand. When they need to be in a situation like this. And I don't know. It just, there was just a delicious irony and it was a shame ultimately for the tournament

and for the coverage and for the fans, but I don't know. I think today they actually got, they got a ton of eyeballs on, I know a bunch of people were at work and everything like that, but it seemed like they truly had the stage. They weren't going against NFL today, they weren't going against anything today. It was all eyes and women's golf.

I just think at some point, the actions don't match the slogan. I think the slow, like, you can come to the conclusion that women are worth watching. And I think this is something that we have been very much in conclusion of for as long as we've been doing this podcast, right? It's not something that we needed to be told.

I think you can have that as your message. I hope people will realize we weren't part of the campaign. Like, we didn't need to do that shit. Anyone that was a part of the campaign. Like, we flew to Houston Houston and wanted to be there. Yeah. So you can have that as the goal. Like you can say internally,

that these women are like, these are worth watching and people are missing out on that. Okay. So let's get in a room and come up with a message that isn't that literal statement. Like because it's just, it doesn't like speak for itself at all. Like how many people saw that and were like, oh, I bet you're right.

These women are worth watching. I'm going to invest my time in it. And the whole way they go about it, too, is, is, it's so, it's just so, like, chinsy and inauthentic to where it's like, if, if you want to cover the sport, then like, cover the sport and get people into women's golf because of, because it's really good and because it's really interesting and tell those stories. Don't just make people feel like shit

because they've never watched women's golf before. You know what I mean? That's what pisses me off. And I think some of the people on the messaging front of that, were like, some of the people doing this messaging are part of the problem. Like they're the ones that have perpetuated this. I will say they're on the right track with the uninterrupted coverage, which of course

is brought on through part, that's kind of brought into NBC through the Fox contract. So NBC picked up the Fox contract and that was all written into it. And it's part of how the men's US Open makes a lot of money for the USGA and is able to kind of subsidize these kind of things is that there's support of the women's event in that vein and how much they pay the women for the event is all, I think, things we're all champions of and they've been good movements. But, and this is a separate, maybe this is a,

I think we've kind of covered that, just that hashtag being condescending is obvious to a lot of people, I think it was. Well, I mean, I don't wanna turn this into a thing, but I think this is worth addressing. So, Eric and Ardini is on the special or whatever the women worth watching thing, pre-tornament, CEO of our school.

Our school can't even send their main podcast to it. After she gets on there and says, this is worth watching, this is, and to me, those two things don't match up. That doesn't equ and says, this is worth watching. This is, and like, to me, that doesn't, those two things don't match up. That doesn't equate. Like if this is worth watching, then you send your main golf podcast people to, you know, golf coverage people to cover the tournament. And another thing I brought up earlier a few days ago was, you know,

why don't the women get feature group coverage? Yeah. Right? Like, like, why is there not an online channel or two where I can tune in and watch all 18 holes and get dialogue from two of the feature groups? Again, it's like the actions have to, the USGA and the broadcasts, like at a certain point their actions aren't showing me that it's worth watching

because it's just not. And they'll fall back on COVID with COVID and having obviously it was a different deal last year with Fox. You know, like they had the feature group and they had all the highlights on the app and everything like that. But it's just, it's tough where it seems like

there's always an excuse, right? This year the excuse is, you know, NBC got this dumped on their laps however many months prior and, you know, and it's just, it's like, at some point, like you gotta, you gotta manage to the excuses and just, just make it happen. Yeah.

Well, I think though, you know, what I've been encouraging for the LPGA and I know the LPGA and USG are different entities and whatnot, but for women's golf, basically we're saying that women's golf is worth watching. It and whatnot. But for women's golf, basically we're saying that women's golf is worth watching. It's not just the US women's open, it's kind of the messaging here.

And I do think that when we were super excited to see them get the stage in December, not opposite another PGA Tour event, not opposite. You know, it's opposite football, but still it is golf's stage came to the women, which is something I've been clamoring for, especially in these COVID times of, you're not hosting hospitality,

which is the reason why you have events and on a weekend, getting creative. And I'm challenging the LPGA to get more creative. Like, all right, I get kind of the reason why PGA tour players can say, I don't want to wear microphones or I don't want audio capture on the course. Bawa Bawa. I get that, but I don't for the women because I think that they should, and we've experienced

how great they are at like any media, any player we want available for any media is basically there when we want them. So like, all right, now I need that for the television broadcast. I really do. And it seems very golf on, we've very well documented. Golf on TV is hard to watch at times, especially when there's a lot of commercial interruptions, blah, blah, blah, blah,

a lot of restraints. I can't have that problem also go to like LPGA golf, where it's just an answer is talking, you know, every, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, it seemed like the, the mics were close to Christie Kerr all week, and she's talking through shots,

and I need, I need that audio from the LPGA to her place. I think that comes down to resources, right? And is it golf channel willing to invest in that? But that's with a new contract. I'm hoping that is like, and the thing that Scott brought up here was like LPJ drive to survive. Like give me a series on that. Again, I can see why PGA tourplairs can, you know, all the money they're making, like, why do I need to do this?

blah, blah, blah. I've already got this many bookings. I've got blah, blah, blah. The making, like, why do I need to do this? blah blah blah. I've already got this many bookings. I've got blah blah. The LPGA tour players have the capacity to do this and it would be willing to in a heartbeat. Like, somebody, we need to tell the story, like, behind the scenes on this and make us invested in carrying in these players at a different level. If the goal at the end of it is that women are worth watching, that's how you get there

more than like, hey, I'm going to have so-and-so PJ tour player tweet out something that they're reading from a screen and put obvious hashtag, women and worth watching on it. And that's not what, how you're going to get there. Yeah. Amen. And like, and really to be clear, like, I don't think, I think what we're talking about is totally separate. It's distinct from, I think the USG did a great job running the event. I think I was super impressed. It was my first US open or US women's open. I'd never been to one. I thought it was extremely well run.

I thought it was first class all the way, setup was great and all that. I think the branding, and you can say the same thing from many one thing on the US open side. Like there's some issues on that front. Yeah, I think it's yeah, I think that's a separate. Exactly. There are two there are two separate things. It's like the USGA, you know, trying to do this good thing. And I think stubbing their toe in the process and

the presentation and logistics of the actual golf tournament. What was your guys favorite outfit touch of the day? Favorite things you saw? Just today or the whole week. Sure, let's go for the whole week. Oh my gosh, Anna B.Lac, your member she was wearing stunting. And I got it. Pink, all pink with some purple dyed hair.

That was quite a look. So Ann Rue had some great bell bottoms on. Just really, really like aggressively style. I was a big fan of the earmuffs today. Lee Six is earmuffs. Those are great. Of course, Shibuya and his sweater was, that felt like something straight out of TC collection.

Who was wearing the full, oh, Ling Grant. Was wearing like, literally the full ski jacket. Well, she was flakin'. We even talked about the amateurs. Oh, I'm kidding. I know. You know, there were three Swedish amateurs. There was a top 20 for a while on Friday. There was a Swedish revolution coming.

Did you, I had no idea Swedish women's golf was this strong? I didn't either. I mean, I knew they had some good players coming up through the ranks, but like Lynn Grant, before that quad on Saturday, like she was, she was there. It was, and that was a tough, tough chain of events to watch, ball rolling back into the hazard, you know, like, I mean, probably Mr. Spop by a yard. I think that was the other thing about the course. There was some really, really good run-offs. And they weren't really obvious where you were sitting or where you were standing on the fairway. And then you would see it from the back end

and be like, oh my God, that thing is dead back there. Yeah, those kind of run-offs and those kind of pins and being near the run-offs just require such an extra level of precision that when asked to do it multiple multiple multiple times like a player that's not ready for that is not going to be able toles. TC and I, that was one of the highlights of the week. We not only got to talk to her on the range, but we got to meet her caddy and coach at USC. Justin Silverstein, he was awesome.

I am so impressed with Gabby Ruffles, so thank you. And Justin was telling us a little bit, like she's very untagnacical, like, feel player. But man, she competed a 70 today in those conditions, is that's really, really impressive. Was, you know, right there to win a second USAM earlier this year. She got its shout out for playing in the Jacksonville city AM, too, by Dan Hicks on the broadcast.

Yeah, he mentioned it on the broadcast So yeah, I tell it for folks. I made a note She played and you know, she was the first woman to play in the there's actually three women that played this year But in the Jacksonville city am since like for like 40 years or something like that She was you know, I wanted to get a competitive rep in before the US women's am this summer and she's spung through Jackson I would play a little practice round with her. And then after we both shot opening around 76s, we got paired together in the second round.

And she unfortunately struggled on the way to missing the cut, but you know, it's the fact that I did edge her out on that day. I now am considered a US women's open champion. So, at least you have been in the discussion for low AM. That's correct. At the women's open. So thank you. Amelia Garvey.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. See, we were marveling at her swing. Talk about, what Justin said, she's got as much swing speed as Fossy. Yeah, Kiwi. Yeah, she's got a bright future. I mean, I think it's worth noting too. Gabby's only been playing golf for like six years. Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And she won it. The US Women's

Am after playing it for like four and a half years or five years or something like that. Which is a lot. We were super. We followed Rose Rose Zang for a little bit. You know, she had it going for a while and then just kind of stubbed her toe. There were quite a few of those. Carlotta Segonda, Nelly, Celine Boutier. I mean, honestly, Bianca, who we've talked about. Yeah. How she missed a cut is beyond me. I think not an amateur, but I watched her on the range, and I know a swing comparison of her and Rory was making the rounds is Yuka Saso, who's another shout out, Kirito, in the Philippines golf machine. She is 19 and she's another one. I'm really excited for all this talent and the young newcomers coming on to the women's golf scene.

I hope, yeah, I hope that some of that translates, you know, it seems like the people, the young women that we get real excited about coming out seem to just kind of fizzle for longer than you can afford to in women's golf. But Buster Robbins Nest asks, which one of the, you know, you crew is most likely to drop their phone to the bottom of their bag, such as Alim Kim did one of the, you know, you crew is most likely to drop their phone to the bottom of their bag, such as A-Lim Kim did there and had to dump the whole bag out and as she was waiting for her final results to come in.

I feel like I did that with my car keys not too long ago. I mean, this is an easy one, right? Push Daddy told us he did it. His buddy's here with us. It's Neil. Oh, I mean. Yeah, but Neil's not really ever on his phone on the course, either.

That's true. I think it, yeah, that's a very good point on his phone on the course either. That's true. I think it, yeah, that's a very good point. It's, it's tougher to do when you want a staff back. It's very true. I don't think they're fitting in the bottom of our bag. All right. What else are we, what else will be missing? Gosh.

Guys, I, I got a very important announcement. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh no. I got two people I'm putting on notice. Okay. Again, this is this is the old. That's why it's 2021. I can't let it slide. I cannot let it slide. Dustin Johnson, of course, on the men's side, when Alan is last start or not, it's last star. We established that. Yes. And of course, Rory is dead.

There are a couple people in the women's game that I am officially putting on notice. They have five opportunities in 2021 to win a major, or else I will officially declare them dead. Don't say brook. Don't say brook. Brook enters. Whoa.

Do you have your friendy? Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She just, what's she doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? Come on, man. Do you know how long it's been since she won her major? 20, it was 2016, I think, right?

It was 2016. Yeah. 2015 was kind of her coming out party. 2016, she wins the major. She's won twice each year since then. She's 23 years old. She's only 23, man. If she doesn't win next, she'll be a full five years

since winning her last major. It's not gonna do it. She's on notice. I'm sorry, I'm sorry Canada. That's just the way it is in the other person. This is cool. We're gonna have two people simultaneously, Lexi Thompson.

Oh, that's easy. Yeah, I could see that one coming. So. I don't want to pile on Lexi. I don't, you know, there was that picture making the rounds this week about her swing. She's a great athlete. My issue with Lexi is she always looks like she's

fucking miserable in the golf course. Like just looks like she hates playing golf. I felt like it was, I found her easy to root for when she was coming up and then as of the last couple of years I'm kind of like, wait, why? Like I have no, you know, not her great stories about her. I've got nothing to be encouraged by.

I don't find myself pulling for her nearly as much as I feel like I used to. You know when she last won a major, her only major, 2017? It was before Rory won his last 2014 A&A. Really? So really, she may have, this all maybe, past humans. Exactly. I was gonna say, you've given her enough time.

2014. We were thinking early on Thursday, we were thinking it was gonna be popping off this weekend. She looked, yeah, she looked good for a while. She looked great. Yelini, no, I do want to acknowledge her three putt today, which is one of the, one of the first. It was both a terrible three putt, but also a good three putt, because that could have easily been a four putt.

And she was using that counterbalance putter, which maybe we need to rethink that because I do want to give a shout to Lexi's A&A run over the last six, seven years. First, seventh, fifth, second, T20, third, fourth. That's that's pretty nutty. It's time for another one, Lexi. Good news is you get five pops on the on the women's side. All right, Randy. I got I got one for you if if you're putting Lexi on notice base in and especially Brooke if you're putting Brooke on notice You know another 22 year old Nelly. Oh boy. It was never one a major Lost the a and a inspiration in this year in a playoff Brooke Brooke was also in the playoff, I'll add. It has three LPGA tour wins.

How do you... T.C., that's a wonderful question. We're punishing people for early success in their teens and 20-year-olds. But no, that's part of it. Yes, it's punishing you, but only because you're so good. And quite honestly, I think it's a valid point about Nelly. There are real concerns there. I think she needs to, you know, we...

Didn't she get on tour in like 2018? Oh, that's the thing. It's less reps than Brooke and Lexi, certainly. I mean, you can argue that Brooke has too many reps. She needs less reps. She needs to play less. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. That Brooke has too many reps. She needs less reps. She needs a play less. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I don't know. Nelly's a killer. Is she though? Well, we'd like her to be. I mean, Nelly has like the, quite literally maybe the greatest golf swing in the world. She does, so like she's gonna win. She should kill a way more often.

Yeah, she should. She definitely should. She should have won the Women's PGA, or yeah, the KPMG Women's PGA last year. It's very concerning TC. The committee will certainly take that under advisement. What else you guys got? Gosh, that's really it.

I mean, I think, I would say, you let me know and Rojang and the Swedes and... Yuka. And Yuka Swedes and Yuka. And Yuka Saso and Bianca. Because we can lump them. Let's just call them the Filipinas. Yeah, I am all in on this crop of,

I think they're gonna take over the game. It's gonna be similar to like the JT, Speed, Burger, all those dudes. If you're a big fan of women's golf, we're preaching to the choir, but if you're not, and if you're not, you made it an hour and a five minutes. Right. No, no, God bless you. I think one of the things that's really important to know about the women's game is just how strong the Korean LPGA tour is.

And so somebody like A. Lim Kim, who we don't necessarily know a lot of here in the US, she's been very good on the Korean LPGA tour. And you know, you look at Jin Young Co and So Young Roo, like they, when they go home and play, a lot of them were there for most of the COVID lockdown. Like when they win and certainly win majors on that tour, it's just as big if not, you know, bigger than winning some of the majors on state side. They're KJ Choi and Sungjae and... Yeah. So the Korean women's game is so, so, so strong.

And I hope like a winner like A-Lim Kim isn't a turn off necessarily for American golf fans. Hopefully it's a pathway to better understanding the global nature of it. This is from At Marquis West. He said he heard on Thursday that Amy Olsen passed all four parts of the CPA exam. Just was lacking the experience requirement

to become an officially licensed. Is that right? So I heard, I heard something like that on the broadcast this week, but that might be the most impressive thing that've heard. Because it took me five years to pass that day of test. I only ever passed two of them. Maybe it'd been unnecessary when you're that good at golf.

I still have some concerns about the backstop. She's apologized. She has vociferously apologized, which, you know, it's like, what else can you do? I can forgive, I'm not gonna forget. That's fair. That's fair. That's all it is. Everybody's asking.

So, all right. Well, thank you, boys, for the on-course insights into the week that was in the US Women's Open. Hopefully everyone got to watch on this fun, a little Monday, and we will be kind of getting close to your end here on the pod. We'll have another interview pod up later this week and then some highlights episode and then start in the year with a bang Hopefully in 2021 and ready to fire up for new season.

Ready for a little break though. Shout out Ollie. Daniel Kang's caddy. He's the best. Ollie's the man. Yeah, he's been surfing in the East Coast slopp over here. Really? Yeah, he came over and surfed with Mel Reed here in Jacksonville,

which we need to get Mel back on. Now that she's in Jacksonville apparently, so. El swing looks so good. He's like, it looks like there's just this confidence that's been unlocked by a recent run of success. So yes, let's get them on. Excited to see it. Thanks everybody for tuning in,

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