No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 39: Tron Carter

Episode Date: May 19, 2016

NLU co-founder Tron Carter stops by to talk about his trip to the Players Championship, Sawgrass, Kuchar, the U.S. Open, fashion, and a lot more. Hoping to do these more frequently with Tron, so thanks... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 39: Tron Carter appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Noelinga Podcast. I'm Chris Solomon, joining me for a second time in about two months. I hope we can keep this pace up, do it about once a month, and I'll you co-founder, Tron Carter, Tron, just got back from,

spending the weekend down in Pontavigir at the players championship. Tron, how are the allergies of Florida's reading you? I feel like I've gotten just hidden the face of the sledgehammer. I mean, I'm shocked. They let me fly yesterday. My head could have exploded and just depressurized the plane. It's not bad. So, I mean, I don't think it helped the PPC. Like basically sits in a swamp, like a reclaimed swamp. So I'm sure there's just no source of gnarly allergens. Are you sure you're not just allergic to Matt Kutcher

back door top 10s in your face? That's possibility as well. But yeah, I was, I was in his presence a little bit too much this weekend. So, well, I think you, uh, you rewarded him. That must have been, like, one of the most fulfilling moments ever for you at a tournament, too. Uh, lunch tell the story of what happened on 18T, um, because I know a lot of people heard it on the broadcast, but weren't sure who it was. Yeah, I, uh, I'm not normally the, I'm pretty, Because I know a lot of people heard it on the broadcast, but weren't sure who it was.

Yeah, I'm not normally a pretty, I'm really pretty a pretty docile guy on the grounds, but my wife and I were kind of rolling around all day, Sunday. Just sipping on some good old Budwizers. And yeah, so I just kind kinda, I was following people. Um, you know, I stood behind 9T for a while, just chopping it up with people. Um, Rory was just looking super disinterested. So we head over to the back nine.

And, um, you know, stood on 16T for a little bit, and then we were like, let's go over to 18T. Like, rolling to 18T, I'm like sitting there right next to the T-box. Right where the fuzzy microphone is. And I just started calling your shot though. You would tweet as you're gonna say My favorite one didn't even get on the broadcast. I guess it was a Ken Duke. I yelled God save the Queen For only the longest term listeners of the podcast will understand that reference But the story there is that our other and all you brother Phil

But the story there is that our other, you know, you brother, Phil used to think that just forever assumed that Kenduk was British, like he just assumed he was British, like he has to be, and was shocked to find out that he's American. And so the joke has always been for us that he's still European, like that we're still, the Kenduk is still European and not American. So that's why the God saved the Queen would have been hilarious. Probably to me and Phil only with that have been funny, but yeah, we're always making jokes about like when the Royal Bay He was born big day for Ken Duke He's been all worried about the potential Brexit from the European Union, so that was a good one

The future I put him on blast on 16 16T but it just wasn't quite loud enough so I was just like alright I'm gonna go for it. So I yelled black's pop can't play that one. What was the reaction like around the T-thou? And really I mean I had so many people like tweeting me. I was shocked at how good the cell reception was out there. I was shocked at how many people like tweeting me. I was shocked at how good the cell reception was out there. I was shocked at how many people were tweeting me about his eagle plot on 16, which I hadn't seen, but I guess he just totally left it short, kind of babyed it in. But I mean the people were cool with it. We were sitting next to this dude that he's like an aerospace engineer. He was cracking up. So I kind of got rolling and then actually really came through earlier and if you follow him on Twitter, you know, his nickname

is Big Grady. So that was the one that everybody seemed to really enjoy. That was a popular one. Yeah, I think I tweeted the vine of, well, so what's funny is I was watching this actually at my Airbnb with two friends in Romania and watching on my iPad and I saw your tweet that just said, uh, big gravy. And so I said to them, like it's pretty fun, like I said, my friends are like,

all right, I'm gonna record this right now because my friend is about to yell, big gravy is as soon as he hits the ball. And they kind of looked at me like, all right, yeah, I'm sure he is. Sure enough, big gravy! Their faces were just completely shocked. They couldn't believe it. That was popular amongst the players. Duffner and Spieth both retweeted that one.

So that was, they both found that funny as well. So yeah, it was, I feel bad being that guy, but I figured if you got something good to yell. Yeah, that's that's always been your case on that too, right? It's like the candle guy with the dinner at Olympic a few years back Mash potato is guy can just get the hell out of you. Yeah, that's you know, but I remember like there was one tournament Where somebody yelled flaminion and then his friend yelled medium rare. I thought that was pretty good. If you've got a good one, I'm all for it as well.

If it makes me laugh, skin the cat or something like that, come on, get that works for me. And pray for Ted Scott will always be my favorite, obviously. Yeah, I was trying to get Bobo, but I just didn't line up. Yeah. Did you get? Did you see the Bubba- Bubba C any of you are no laying up gear and have you been escorting off the program? I was on 17 at one point but there's just so many people over there. But actually the guy who were one of DJ's buddies who was down there with this guy Ray, he's

called him Big guy Ray. He's called a big plate Ray. He's a New Jersey cop. The guy was just absolutely hilarious. He's toured for golf week. And he blew up, was that Duval? Duval was up in the booth, you know, in 17. And like, just doing a segment. And he's like, yo, double-d, we love you, bro! Like, he's like Yo double day we love you bro!

Like he's the biggest double B fan Um, and then like every time, every time something to hit the ball in the water he'd be like SICK! Don't SICK man! Just love seeing carnage. So it was a great day out there on Saturday with him. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because you were pretty adamant about you wanted this setup on Sunday to look a lot like Saturday. You made the case pretty well as best you can in 140 characters on Twitter. But I guess I don't really necessarily agree with that but I'll let you say your

piece first. I think it's a lot of the actions we can first of all. But what about five and a half hour rounds on baked out greens on Saturday did you enjoy? I figured every week is pretty much five and a half hour rounds at this point, right? I don't I don't I don't I don't time the rounds. I don't know who these people are they do it I just go off what I read on Twitter for how long it takes but no I don't I don't I don't think that's normal It was it three sims that one Saturday Three sims on Saturday, yeah. Yeah, that can take one more. So we got out there like 11 maybe.

And yeah, it was kind of humid in the morning, and then a breeze blew in. Like, Shagglefork was talking about it. He was like, yeah, breeze blew in, and it just got super dry. And you could literally see the color of the green's changing. You could see some fire in them. And that was actually the day where all the dust and stuff is coming off from the pine straw. So I think that's the day that I just got wrecked with allergies.

But yeah, I think we followed the landlord, Harold Varner, the third, for a bit. Or there's another guy on Twitter this weekend that suggested we call him the HVAC Techno Shoot. That works. But yeah, we followed him, Keen, and Usthin' for a bit, and followed them to like four. And then four is just the most outrageous little green. So, you know, it was cool to see, you know,

I mean the ball was just starting to, like guys could barely, barely stop it down the slope on that one. Johnny Vegas, like the most ridiculous up and down. And then we went over, we went over to the back, thought I'm an eight a little bit, and then we went over to the back, and we went over to like 16, 17, 18. And you could tell, like on 17, guys were spinning

the ball back from the top shelf on 17, and just it was like, it was so much fun to watch. Because we were betting like crazy on who was gonna be closest. And yeah, there were some guys where tap-ins were like 10 footers. There was just so much fire in the greens. But yeah, I think if the player's championship wants to be, it's kind of like they have this chip on their shoulder.

They want to be kind of dead, this chip on their shoulder, they want to be, you know, the fifth major, then don't, you know, don't shy away from making the course really difficult. Yeah. I mean, I have absolutely no problem with the difficult setup, but I think people lose a bit of perspective when people use the word fair. Fair in that. Everyone is playing the same golf course. I understand that. So everyone's facing the same conditions, but it becomes to a certain point where it's not a test of talent. Like, I don't think putting on those greens or stopping ball on those greens.

And again, I did not see a single shot on Saturday, but I'm sorry. I did see the very end of it, but yeah, putting on those greens and playing on those greens, that's not, I don't think that's a good test of golf. I think it's kind of like what happened at Chambers Bay last year in the opposite sense. And those greens were slow, but bumpy and like cauliflower or whatever, and they're extensive called it. It's like, I don't think that's a good test, a way to test your players. I mean, I don't necessarily, I don't need to see a birdie fest

every weekend, but I don't mind seeing guys tear the course up. I think it was probably set up a bit too easy on Thursday Friday, but I just don't, the course to me is the setting, right? And it should be, the action kind of plays out the way it plays out. It doesn't need to, with the, the distance these guys hit the ball and how good they are now, it's so difficult to balance that line between being too easy and being too hard that it's not fun or really that fair, you know? Yeah, I think my thing goes back to the date change too.

I mean, this is probably the longest week of the, like this is probably the firmest, one of the firmest weeks of the year at TPC. Whereas, when they used to have it in March, it was a lot more damp, and they could grow the rough off a little bit more and have that. So that seemed like it was just, that was one of the reasons these guys were just bringing the course to its knees. There was always some conditions factors. Yeah. But do you like the spot in the schedule otherwise?

Do you think the players would look at it too? Yeah, I think it's cool. Yeah, I mean, I think it's... Can you just look forward to between the Masters and the US Open? Because that's like your longest gap in major season between big events. Yeah, no, and I thought, I mean, I've got a... I think, too, like, the... I didn't think the Greens were...

I mean, I know, you know, the players were pissed, think too, I didn't think the greens were, I mean, I know, you know, the players were pissed, but I didn't think they were completely unfair. Just standing out there watching it. I didn't realize until later on that night that it was like, well, these are, you know, people are pissed, but watching it, you could tell it was a lot firmer and faster and more difficult, but it really wasn't, it didn't appear to be just totally out of sequence to the sky.

Yeah, I think, but I mean, they even admitted, though, that it got out of hand, and the players were saying, I mean, I'm sure they did, Xadrey, if they're saying they were rolling 16, 17 on the sand, but faster than a gust, which, I mean, there were so many three puts on Saturday, Sergio had a five putt, it just, Yeah, I was sitting there were so many three puts on Saturday, Sergio had a five putt. Like, it just...

Yeah, I was sitting there and I saw Sergio. I was like, I thought that was going to be a typo or something. Shot tracker. Oh my god, that was no incredible. Yeah, I don't know. This was kind of a mess. That to me, I kind of took away from the week. It's like, I mean, yeah, it didn't really end up affecting

the tournament. Day was going to win anyways, but it's, I don't know, it just kind of made it, it was distraction from otherwise, what I thought would have been a good tournament. I mean, what day was doing was really special. And Rory making a run at him on Friday, like he did. I mean, that was cool. I mean, yeah, of course, it can be relatively easily

and still be a good tournament, think and be a fun event. Yeah, that's for sure. Actually, probably on the weekend it would have been better served to be easier so guys that were more of a shot. Yeah, chasing, you know what I mean? Can we talk about Ken's Duke 65 on Saturday though? Yeah, he was like inspired. There were Ken Duke roars. Guys, the Queen. It's like a tiger roar. There were there were Ken Duke or or God

It's like a it's like a tiger roar, but the prime minister of our hearts can Duke It I think he did benefit from the order of the nines that he played in that tubes it he It seemed like the back got is what got really really hard when he was on the one he was on the front But I should not I should not be diminishing what he did on that 65 at all. But I want to ask, I just talked about this a little bit with Bacon, actually, on his podcast, in that looking at what Jason Day has done in the last, you know, let's say year plus, are you, I'm not saying I'm, I, I, as guilty of it probably as anyone else, I'm out there, I'm saying, are you kind of guilty of it probably as anyone else I'm out there

I'm saying are you kind of surprised that people aren't more excited about what he's doing or that people aren't making a bigger deal out of Seven wins and 17 starts I'll be the first to admit. I'm not excited about it. Oh, but why is that? I'm kind of the same way I just care for it's just like I think a part of it is most of the tournaments. He's one of been completely anti-climactic. So I think that plays a part when people kind of tune out for the weekend a little bit. I really like, for instance, my least favorite tournament in the year last year was the PGA, Whistling Strait, where you can just take it over the dog leg as far as you wanted to. I just, I didn't think there was any artistry to that or any, like, you know, the guy, I,

I think he's a great guy, I think, but his pre-shot routine bothers the shit out of me. You know, I think he takes everything a little bit too seriously and I just don't, you know, I just, I'm just not passionate about the guy. He doesn't arouse anything in my loins. I'm not a loin. Okay, I don't know how to recover from that. I mean, I feel the same way, but I just feel like I often get ups, I don't know if upsets right where, but I get annoyed by the people that, you know, when presented with a good thing like

Are so quick to tear it down right as soon as speed falters that we're talking about what's wrong with Jordan speed blah blah blah And here I am you know with this guy that is dominating in a way that I don't think we've seen It's arbitrary numbers seven wins out of 17 starts But I don't think we've seen anyone in your and I lot our lifetimes that's done that other than Tiger Tiger does seven times but I mean Phil never did this right VJ never did this anything like that's what Bacon said I don't know what I can look up VJs. Is that like 2004? I think so. He had a ridiculous, it was like, was it 2004, like 2008 or something like that? He had the highest earning season of all time.

Tiger doesn't even have the highest earning season of all time. I would have bet my life on that. If you have a DJ, it has to tie like 10% to Tiger. That's true. The Tiger Tax. Everyone knows that. Let's see. 2008, he won 1, 2, 3. Okay, that's not the year I'm thinking of then. Maybe it was 2004. He won the PGA that year, didn't he?

Okay, 2004. Holy shit. He won the Chrysler Championship, the 84 Lumber Classic, the Canadian Open. the 84 Lumber Classic, the Canadian Open, he won the Deutsch Bank Championship, he won the PGA Championship and the Buick Open. That was all from July 29th through October 31st. He also won the HP Classic of New Orleans, the Shell Houston Open and the AT&T Pello Beach National Pro Am. Okay, so maybe VJ, maybe VJ is saying to do this. Let's count it one, two. I just, I maybe VJ, maybe VJ is saying to do this, let's count it one, two.

I mean VJ, the fact that he's even playing in the 84 Lumber Classic at that point is period. Like that's so admirable. They must have had like a huge range there or something. Like that's the only reason why he commits to events. It was funny, we were out there Saturday, and I look over at the backside of the range, but there's like one dude out there Saturday and I look over at the backside of the range and there's like one dude out there just grinding and it's hot out Saturday it was almost 90.

In midday there's somebody just out there grinding on the back of the range and I'm like man is that like VJ son or something out there just you know because like all the players are out there I'm sure it was some web.com guy that's got privileges out there, playing it? Is he playing it by Rinalcent? No, he's not. I don't know. I do not know. I would think not. I don't think he's played that in the past. He's got to play Memorial and he'll be off for Memphis and then obviously the U.S. Open. So, the speed going by Rinalsen, colonial, memorial, often open, is he foreign or row? I think he is.

I think that was usually behind taking the month off and doing a speed 2K. I'm kind of convinced he may have missed the cut intentionally, the players. I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't say it. I don't think he was too torn up about missing the cut though. Yeah, well, so the other thing, and this was kind of the chatter early in the week was like just how tense it was between

griller and speed. Yeah, did you notice any of that while you were there? We followed for a little bit on Saturday morning when they went back out and you know, speech was like four shots outside the cut. He was grinding a little bit, but yeah, it seemed a little frosty between the two of them. That's what I've got. You're not definitely first person to mention this and I haven't gotten to watch or see really any of it lately, but it does. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

It's like, is this a new thing or is this a, we see all of speed shots on TV thing now and we're just now noticing yeah Yeah, I see my there was left dialogue and the dialogue there was he seemed to be Not incredulous and some of his but he's like just definitely just second-guessing the shit out of what trailer was I think he I heard he said once like second guessing the shit out of what Greller was. I think he, I heard he said once like, he's like, I don't know what the exact quote was, but really that's the club or something like that. After, is there something like, not even close to the right club or something like that?

They got caught on the mics, which I just like conveniently ignored for Twitter purposes, of course, but yeah. And then Greller was wearing, he was wearing a red version of the underarmor braided belt, the LPCP belt, which was just, I was just a pulp. All right, are you more upset about Speets belts or the jogger phenomenon? The jogger phenomenon, I mean, even Roer was wearing the joggers this weekend, which was just bismill. It's heartbreaking. It's so bad. It's so bad. Thank you.

And those shirts too, that shirt he was wearing, like the collarless shirt, and he's got it unbuttoned about two buttons, two deep. And it just seems like a little baggy on him. I mean, it almost looks like one of those shirts you wear when you're getting a physical. Like one of those postural rows. Open in the back? Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, it's god awful. I don't mind the shirts. I just, the jogger thing, it's like, it worries me.

I've had to be, I don't like, I'm very not critical of Keppka and Rory and I've had no choice but to disagree and hate on this because I'm 29 years old. I'm not that old. This just seems ridiculous. I don't know what they're going for here. Yeah. I'm sure the sponsors are driving it, but still. Oh yeah, for sure. I'm trying to sell some merch. I actually didn't have a problem with worry shoes though. Yeah. I'm not that big into fashion to begin with. I just, I think, I like to make fun of the easy to make fun of fashion choices and Will Wilcox using a yellow ball.

That's easy to make fun of as well. But I don't pay much attention to shoes or anything like that unless they're whatever Ricky Fowler wore on Thursday Which were look like a freaking two-can is terrible So who's your one day? I think this was under Saturday or Sunday? I think it was Saturday. He was wearing like black shoes A bunch of blue Get some brown in there

It was like it just a fashion Holocaust. I mean, it was awful. What did your wife have to say about her issues? Oh, she's firmly on board with the... You know, and sketchy stock prices gone down since I blew them up. I'm Sunday. Can't be a coincidence. That's no coincidence there. Oh, man. But I'll actually up on Sunday. Can't be a coincidence.

That's no coincidence there. Oh man. But I'll actually funny story here. So big play Ray was on the flight back to... I'm not sure if he flew into Philly or Newark, but he was on the flight back and he was sitting behind Mike Davis. He was G.A. Mike Davis was on a flight back and he was sitting behind Mike Davis. Okay. He was G.A.

Mike Davis was on the phone with somebody from the PGA tour assuring him that what happened at Shinnecock was 10 times worse than what happened on Saturday. He was just like reassuring the heck out of the guy. It was 2004. 2004? The blow by blow. Is that 04? Yeah, 04. Yeah. What's your cousin? Yeah. I'm sure the heck out of the guy I was 2004 the blow by blow is that oh four? Yeah, oh four. Yeah, what's your cousin?

Yeah, yeah, the goose man was Davis in charge then Um, I Think he was that might have been one of his first First he may have been I Feel like he was brought in after that because that's when things started to really get like kind of zanky And he was the guy that was bringing the bellies new courses and Mary Ann and all that all that stuff, but I could be wrong but Yeah, cuz I think he was the course set up guy and then he became the executive director Here he was named US Open Championship

director. Oh wow, I said that long. I wouldn't have thought that. But yeah, so I guess he assumed the responsibility as senior director of rules of competition in 2005. So I'm not sure what the difference between those two positions is, but okay. But yeah. Are you pumped or what of your, do you know much about Okman in general or you think it's a good US Open venue? Are you excited for the opening? I saw it, I'm pumped. Yeah, I think it looks just fantastic.

I was looking at some of JT and Ricky and Smiley's snappies earlier this week and last weekend. Yeah, it plays just minty. Am I wrong in finding all of like when those three are together? I know it's been way overblown, but finding that just horribly entertaining every time you, every time you click on their snapchets. I think it slowly needs to add to his repertoire though. Yeah, a little bit.

Well, what do you mean? Just what is saying, or just going to the you mean, just what is saying? Just going to the conic of the delta. The same little commentator stick. Yeah, I just like the Chiquita banana slice that he threw in. Yeah, I was solid. Yeah, but smiley, it's kind of underrated. I guess I never knew much about him.

He won in Vegas last fall, but I was not really paying much attention to golf at that time. And I just didn't, I thought he was kind of a boring guy until the SB2K stuff. And now I can't get enough of Smiley. I actually, I shot him, I'm hoping it's okay if I mentioned DMs on the air, but I had shot him a message about,

because I was making fun of Jim Nance a lot for his interview that he gave Smiley the night before the final round of the masters, where he just shamed him. And so I made fun of that a lot. And then so I messaged him, I was like, hey, we want to hear about SB2K. Do you want to come on the podcast? And he just replies, I got to check with my mom first.

Okay. So I will say, I gotta check with my mom first. Okay. So I will say, out of Oakmont, they were wearing, like, especially JT and Smite, they were wearing some of the freshest chew, pants, polo combinations. They were twins, they were dressed, they were dressed, it was scripted, it looks like JT brings a strong shoe game into the room.

He's not wearing any high tops and joggers. If you do JT, it's going to be an issue on this end, the full disclosure. No, but I think Oakmont is going to be a really good test. Just watching those guys put those greens though has me a little worried. It's got to be pretty tough for them to get that like I was saying earlier get that to be the right amount of challenge and fairness because it just some of those eight footers that they're they're aiming four feet right in the hole and trying to die in. It's like they those guys might be out there a long long

time. I used to be very much into the whole, you know, I like watching the PJs championship more because it's because they go low or I like, you know, I like to when the masters went low, but I've kind of come to like the fact that the US open, I like it when they make the course just incredibly difficult every few years. Yeah. I mean, but that's what back to my punters, I was saying those with how good these guys are now. It's just so hard to make it really, really hard, right? And then you're really just a limit.

You're chopping off even more of the field that can't compete in these things. If you just keep lengthening in, if you play Western straight to 7,800 yards, like looking back. I think the answer is lengthening. No, but I mean, the thing that challenges guys the most is hard greens, hard and fast greens,

where you can't stop the ball near the hole, but then it just becomes a chipping contest, and it's, I don't know, that just doesn't seem that fun. I mean, when somebody's trailing, I wanna at least have the, that's what makes it gust is so perfect, because they just have the right amount of risk reward and challenging, like, par four and a half, par three and a half holes or whatever

then make it, there are true like maker break holes on the way in like in general 13, 15, and 16, or just holes you should, you need the birdie on Sunday and 14 with that favorable pin position, you know, the guys, it really does draw a good line between what birdie and par is and you know when it's between, when does draw a good line between what birdie and par is. And, you know, when it's between par and bogey at the US Open, it's not as interesting to me. But in general, I think par is way overblown, especially when it comes to the US Open, like it easily just changed some of these 500 yard holes into par 5s. And the scores would look incredibly lower, even though it's the same exact golf tournament.

Yeah, but at least it's the perception thing. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I wouldn't mind seeing like, four-foot high rough. Four-foot. Like, no second-cutting. I could just go from the fairway, four-foot high roughs.

But remember, like, Tory was it last year or, but sometimes in the last couple of years I remember you were commenting on Tori's pines when they grew the rough out how boring that tournament was though because It's just gouged it out of the rough and back into the fairway. I don't I don't know Yeah, but but some of that too is because Tori is kind of geared towards being You want to see guys make birdie there? Whereas an oak moth. I just want to see carnivore You're out for blood. But these guys take it so low, like the 30 other tournaments of the year.

Let's just have one that's just straight up grinders. Yeah. I agree. But I wanted to be consistent. So you said that this weekend about, about sawgrass as well. But I just didn't, you know, another complaint the players had was that the putting green didn't match the speed of the greens on the course, and I just didn't agree with, you know, making it super easy for two days and then ridiculously difficult

for the players. Yeah, that was, that's, yeah, I mean, if you're going to do it, make it hard all for all the players. Yeah, make it consistent, and it's just hard with a full feel to really do that with the time constraints you have as well. So, but yeah, I'm overall pumped for Oat moth. I think it's a full grown man course. And the fact that it really doesn't have, there's a single water hazard on it.

There's a couple of dry ditches. But yeah, I think that'll be kind of cool to see. And it looks based on what I've've seen of it it looks a little bit lengthy too you know not many trees out there just kind of you know so it's the if the wind gets up one day it could be just just you know 100 car pile of yeah what I didn't like from those snapchets I saw is every time they were showing JT hitting an approach shot it was from at least one fairway left of the hole that he was playing. But I mean so what did you I didn't get to see a lot of him or really until the finish on Sunday but it was

noted on Twitter that he's putting through the conventional style again. Did you see him earlier in the week at all? Was he putting conventional the whole week? I didn't I got out there. I didn't go out till I really didn't watch too much of it on Thursday or Friday. I had to work and then, you know, I'm fortunate to not have like, I had to kind of job where I was down there. So I was working from down there, but at the same time I was working my real job. And so I really didn't get out until Saturday morning and really I can't tell who's like I can't even keep track of who's putting normally and who's like cross handed and who's putting with the claw. When those butt-heavy

clothes are flowing yeah I'm sure that's not a priority. Yeah so I will say who I was impressed with was I love followed Bernard Longer for like DB Street Vibon and Bernard Longer and uh Bernard Longer was playing that event? Yeah man he was like like he finished off right around even I mean he was holding his own No way He was just yeah he was just smoking right down the middle

because of savage But this is probably a really good course for him actually no that I think about it but All right uh we got a lot of good questions again. I think it's, I don't know what it is, whenever I mention that you're going to come on, we get, I think the best questions of anyone I get coming on the podcast, but Ken Ryan is the first to ask, and I think we've touched on this already, but a better look. US team in all joggers or Euros in Justin Rose Shades.

I mean, better look for... I don't know if the question should be phrased is what's a worse look maybe? The US team would have joggers or the Euros in Justin Rose Shades. I don't know, seeing like, Michelson and joggers would be... That would be fantastic. Probably would never want to see.

But that would be such easy material. Like, I would use that meme, like, at least once a month, go for the next two years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it all depends on how short your memory is, because, yeah, I mean, those are just in your Rose Shades. And I guess I'd like like to see the heroes in those just because they look awful. Yeah. Oh but I like her story too on the Euro subject. Somebody was in the clubhouse like kind of I could do the clubhouse and there was these two kids and they were just like just clubhouse and there was these two kids and they were just like just like the sister was just being up on a little brother and they were just like two

whiney kids in the world turned out they were pooled there's kids. I guess I guess you was just like just not suitable for work on the on the tournament officials afterwards just MF this you know, I'll see you MFers next year That doesn't sound like Ian Polter to me I know this stuff. I'll think this story checks out All right, car for the course wants to know would you rather be a major winner with LPCP affiliation or a bomb threat Who consistently comes close and for the first time listeners LPCP means lax pop can't play And a bomb threat is essentially like dust and jobs. Yeah, or DJ exactly. He is the quintessential bomb threat who consistently comes close

I would much rather be a bomb threat. Yeah, it's got to be I mean do you want to be Mike Weir or do you want to be? DJ It'd be nice to go to the Champions dinner every year, but you also, I don't know, if I was a, this may sound ridiculous. I wouldn't want to be a winner that, and I'm not saying Mike Weir's not respected amongst his peers, but in general, wouldn't feel worthy of being in that company.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, this week Mike Weir's last to her off, down at the Byron Nelson. I'm just praying to God that he does not, I think last year he played pretty, last year or two years ago he played pretty well there. You know, he's hidden like these hilarious three woods off the tease, but yeah, I'm just so thankful that his exemptions finally run out. Are we gonna do like a Sarah McLaughlin montage?

That would be phenomenal. Right. I mean, you can just do it scrolling down his list of results. I will remember you. So long, Mike. You can't go out and compete on PGA Tour if you're going to hit a 260. I don't feel bad. He knows that the shape his game is in and still goes out and

tees it up and takes a spot from someone every week. And it withdraws. It withdraws. That's just insulting. I mean, would Dari Vandrewal or whatever called him out for it? It's the first person to call him out for it and it's about time somebody stands up and calls them out. So Yeah, it's the end of the road. Steve flesh. It's just looking for a spot this week and Mike. Let's take it up. Get him in. Get him in. All right So yeah, you decided you're gonna go with Dustin Johnson's career over Mike Weir despite the non-green jacket, which I don't Absolutely. Yeah, we'll get some we'll get some hate on that one. That's for sure.

Canadians get so mad at me every time I talk about Mike Weir. Oh, you love my tweet on, I was calling Mayhan, a had been basically, has been, and I included all a fobble in that. You know, it's six wins in the European. So you got some serious flaglips out. Oh my, it's like, all right do you do understand that I'm talking PGA Tour of Winds right like I'm not going to make a spreadsheet and download

European wins and PGA Tour and add them up like I'm talking about the PGA Tour all right they're not equal I'm not I we don't talk about the European Tour on this podcast I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But I got upset. I got really, I just love that I love the included man. Well, I just, little I just went to the PGA, a Wikipedia page for multiple winners and look, gave everyone that had a significant name that had six wins. I put that in there.

That's all I did. But he, he's done. Man's toast. Also, yeah, Clubhouse lead comments. This isn't a question because Tiger rinsed three wedges, but he's still one more recently than Keegan Bradley. People forget that. Is that even true?

I think it is, actually. When did Keegan win the bridge stone? Because Big Cat won the 14 players, that is last one? No, he won the 13 players. His last win was Bridgestone. Like in 13, I thought. Let's see, Keegan Bradley. I've kind of secretly been hoping Keegan loses his card

this year. Can you do that? It was interesting following. Yeah, I think this is after this year. This is his five years from the PGA championship is up this year his last win was the bridge stone in 2012 Wow, he's right. Okay, so Tigers won a year more recently than Keegan Bradley has Buddy fired his caddy that was clearly what was costing him definitely wasn't the belly putter rule, so Why don't we like I don't I know't I just don't I don't like he can I don't know why though and he's just he's just Punchable

I can't get a really pretty shot routine. Yeah, I give him a lot of credit. He's sped it up Yeah, a pun. Has he sped it up or they just not show him on TV? For a few holes. Okay, he sped it up he sped it up or they just not show him on TV. No, I followed him for a few holes. He sped it up. He sped it up. He sped it up. I mean, he just like twice as fast as it was before.

Rich Nimpy wants to know was Tron the one who screamed Laxpop can't play at Coach. As 18T on Sunday, he absolutely was. Honestly, man, I felt like I was going to get, because I kind of took a picture of myself right in front of the first T, or the 18T there. And I felt like I was going to eat sniped off kind of like that little vine that you created a few months back where like I don't want to finish him. Since he was henchman, I was just gonna come

down and you know. I think you I think you did cost me the media credential for the memorial. I think I think if anyone goes back up the Twitter timeline I think that might let's honest, there's plenty of stuff on there that would cost us that credential. Okay, Sarah Indicott, friend of the podcast, which LPCP player would be the worst-case scenario for winning the US Open? That's a tough one. That's a broad one. Coacher. Yeah. I guess if we're going strictly LPC people. For your case, it would be

coacher. I would make my hand pain. I despise Mayhem's game. I just I despise Mayhem because he likes Colin Coward. Like it just makes me upset. I don't know why it makes me so upset. I just despise Mayheng because I just feel like his swing just doesn't agree with me. I don't feel like he cares about playing golf. It's Mayheng in the US open? That's a good question. I don't know. He can't be. I don't know what he'd be qualified under.

He won, didn't he win last year? No, one last year two years ago at You what clean field or yeah, he won the play arc two years ago and then like miss the cut every tournament after that I'm pretty sure No, he's not he was not top 60 in the world. I don't think the beardiculous if he was And he's not a past champion If he was and he's not a past champion Past champions don't even get in the US open. No, he's ranked 128 in the world

Man, he was once ranked fourth in the world Yeah, he'd have to qualify last year at the US open. He was 38th ranked player in the world right now. He's 128th I'll tell you who I like for the US Open. I think he's a, I think he's a dark horse, strong dark horse. I don't even know if he's in, but if he's in, I like him a lot. Can I guess? Yeah, go ahead. Uh, no, I don't think this is right. But I was gonna guess DB straight vibe in.

No, yeah. I think Ryan Palmer. Okay. Really, I just, I don't know, I think Ryan Palmer. Okay Really just I don't know. I always love this game, but he's I don't know. I just feel like it sets up while for him if he can keep the ball between the Yeah, man is in the monster So and then Then yeah, I'd love to see I'd love to see Sergio.

Yeah, of course you would. Yeah, I think it's a fine answer for LPCP, I think the worst overall case scenario would be, Oh, a pull, a pulltor, right? Yeah, that would be worse. Is pulltor even in? Why would he be in? I don't see how he would be. Yeah.

I forget who pointed this out to me, but I love how, you know, Rory decided to play the French Open instead of Bridgestone this year, and how, like, Luke Donald and Ian Polter chime in, like, see you there, Rory, like, as if they had an option. Like, they're not in Bridgestone. They have no choice what they're playing that week. See, Luke Donald's one of the guys that I just, I feel bad

because he's LPCP, because he seems like such a cool guy Yeah, I got no I have a problem with Luke Donald He's a he lays up, but I mean that guy gets the maximum amount that he or used to get the maximum amount out of his game He shouldn't be going for parfives and two That's yeah, that's true. Yeah, if you can't get there, we'll not land enough. Speaking of not being able to get there, Zach Naren, once and now, cold nose laying up from 256 on 16 on Sunday, discuss. Uh, I think he tweeted something where he had the, on, he laid up on 18, too, right?

Oh, I don't know if he did on 18. I tweeted the, the, the, the yard yardages or whatever the shop by shot that he did on sixteen is that he laid up from six thousand six and i miss read that thought it was an eighteen like who he was really plan for that third place money yeah uh... yeah i mean

i think this guy's were planned for so much money last week. So much money. So, like, I mean, he had to know he couldn't run Jason Day down. Well, I don't know. I don't know if you can say you don't know that. He would have had to go Eagle Birdie Birdie really feel like he had a shot. I mean, but it's just like, you played so well to get yourself in that spot.

You've got that shot, right? You don't have to clear any water to get there. You just gotta not go right. You've got that shot in the bag. I know he's one of the shorter hitters actually on tour, but I can hit a three with 256 yards. He can cover that distance. Yeah.

That's what made me upset about it. And it was just a play for second place, which again, he probably should have been playing for second place. I'm not hating on that. He got that shot in the bag. If it was 280, 270, or if he had to clear some kind of water, I'd understand it. But 16, there's not that much risk in going for it. You just can't go right. I know it's easier said than done, but these guys are really, really good. And they can usually keep themselves from going right. So at the end of the day, too, though, I mean, you know, if you feel like you're gonna nail out a laugh, why not, you know, play to a yardage?

What did he end up making on 16? Five. He made five. Okay, so then I waited till he made five before I tweeted it. Yeah. Okay, Chris, Chris, I did not read the last day before I started this Chris Titsinger Better nickname big gravy or beef Bigger a V. Yeah, that's a great nickname Bigger Ian Swini bigger fashion upset Ricky's Mitch match shoes or Rory's joggers and air Max's

I just I just like I despise Rory's entire catalog of everything that he wears. Really? I like the blue stuff. He just goes all black. I just I just don't like Nike golf stuff. I love not hearing anything else. There's no like Nike. I like their solid colors, the non neon colors. And I like a lot There's still like night he wants. I like their solid colors, the non neon colors. I like a lot of the blue stuff that he wears. You know I love blue, but we also have blue shirt and the blue kicks.

I'm all in on that. I think you just got to keep it simple. He's got the best physiques in golf for modeling golf clothes. Is that where that statement sounds? It's just got to keep it simple. I don't care that much about the college shirts or whatever. I just went out there on Saturday. We were watching DJ play 17 and the other DJ says, he says best quote from a best piece of sports writing I've ever heard.

I didn't know where he was going to go with this. And he gave me a quote that Jim Moriari wrote about DJ. He said, he walks with the gate of an oily jungle cat. And I thought that was the most perfect description of him. I tweeted something about wishing of all the things I wish I could have of PGA twerp players would be Dustin Johnson's walk. And somebody replied with something like that. And it was, it may have been that exact one, but I was like, oh, damn, I wish I would have

thought of that. That's such a good quote. And then it was crazy. We thought it'd have a's such a good quote. And then it was crazy. We thought Kevin Chappell for a little bit. And Chappell is like, he's like, if you combine Ryan Moore and his physique with DJs, mannerisms, and you would have Kevin Chappell.

If you ever, next time you watch Kevin Chappell play, God. Just big Randy's. It's on Candy. Big Randy's tweet on Chappell from a couple weeks ago. Did you see that? It just slushed. He was like eventually, like Chappell's not even going to have a backswing. It's just going to be like the golden, it's just like playing golden tea where you just do like the one big follow through something like that. I lost it. We need to get Big Randy tweeting like on a daily basis.

Yeah. Randy's got some good material. I'm convinced he would be the absolute best at this. But all right, Chris Cheney at Wrong underscore fairway. Worst narrative going. Speed poor ball striker, Rory's worst cross handed. Guys are too good of friends or other. striker, Rory's worst cross-handed, guys are too good at friends or other. I tend to agree with that.

I don't mind if the other guys are friends, I don't want to speak to be a friend, back to the friends with all the other guys though. Why? I want him to be a psychopathic killer. Yeah, I don't think he is that though. I don't know, I think that would be a total, total mind-fuck for these guys though. If they just, like, if Speed's one day,

just, I was talking to Big Randy about this the other day, like if Speed's just one day, flip the switch, and he's like, he's just, all business, just, just a straight killer. Yeah I would I'm not holding out for that like I don't think that's it I don't think that's what he is you know I mean he's not I think Big Cat's the best example of being a straight killer but and Rory is close-ish to that but I mean probably 20% of the killer that Big Cat was, but I don't know.

I don't see that from speed at all. I think he is more concerned about being likable and marketable than he is really and being humble really than then, than being a straight killer out there. All right, super duper once to know. Let's say you're on the fringe and you're playing partner Flixup Booker that lands directly on your ball. Oh wait, where's the rest of it? There's a second part. Oh, can you remove it? Can you force him to remove it? Would that be a penalty? Can I leave him at the next T-box? I have no idea with

the rule. I'm not a rules expert at all. I think that would be, uh... That would just be the rub of the green. Yeah, I would think so. So can you just put boogers on your opponent's balls? Golf balls? I think if you got that kind of game, you should be allowed to use it. Seffy like gamesmanship there. That was the most random question I think we got. You should be allowed to use it. Seffy like gamesmanship there. Yeah.

That was the most random question I think we got. Did you have a chance to look over the questions at all? Yeah, I'm looking at them right now. Tiger versus Jack and Augusta tomorrow, what is Vegas line? Who you got? I tend to think if you go back, it depends on which Augusta they're playing, right? Yeah.

No one from pre-98, I guess, or, you know, the one now with all the Rothen stuff. If it's back in the day with no Rothen, you can just hit it anywhere, you know, if they're playing the same equipment and everything, I'd still go tiger. But I think on today's course, I'd go Jack. Like 70 what year old Jack? Is that what the question was for? I think just I I read the question is who is you know both of them playing each other in their peak.

Okay, because I think Porter was tweeting something about this earlier about Jack just shot 90 or 72 out of Gusta. So I think it's like who would you take jack right now or tiger right now at a gusta uh... uh... kind of funny question i don't know i mean maybe i i don't even want to answer that just because i'm gonna get

the wrath of all these big catch truth oh my god of all these big cat truth. Oh my God. Oh my God. I was talking about this earlier too. It's like, I just, Tigers still got ability. He just doesn't have health and reps. I mean, it's all part of the process. He can't be Ranger Rick out there.

I just follow through. It's so bad. It's, I mean, the swing is a long way off. We're not gonna see him anytime soon. It's kinda happy, almost almost happy to see that the water stuff happened just so we can kind of chill on this thing for a while Because it's not gonna be a time soon. You should take the whole year off now that after watching that I think you should take the whole year off but Tim Kalamore

How would you decide the US writer cup captains picks 16 for four match play drive chip and put or academic to cathol I Get a good to make the catholine well Well, you guys are from really Madison is so you just got to hope DJ makes it on points then Well, I don't know the activity of long you remember like the one they did in Billy Madison made they had a running element to it and had dead other stuff wasn't just I don't remember the one they did in Madison. They had a running element to it. They had other stuff.

It wasn't just like my wife is a dirty or you gotta have mercy on your soul, that pal thing. So yeah, I would say, I would do, I feel like they should do that for the last spot. It's so arbitrary how they pick it. Yeah, I mean, what's the point in having any automatic spots, really? I think I love that idea.

Oh, think about it though. It's like, yeah, it gives the player something to strive for, I guess, to play a lot and whatnot. But I mean, it's like, what's the point of making somebody earn a berth on points? Like, who's in the top eight in points that, like, wouldn't make the team normally? You know what I mean? It's basically, it's like, something like Jimmy Walker wins a bunch in the winter and the early part of the season and sucks at the end of the year, you can't kick him off the team when an actuality would probably want to.

Well, yeah, we can go back to what's the rider kept in you always reference. Oh, six rider kept in. Sorry, I'll break that out if I don't like. That was serious. That was my... I don't want to compare that to any actual real life tragedies, but that was as close as it gets to me. Well, yeah, but yeah, I mean, that would have been the perfect out there. Like, like, Brett Wetterich, sorry, sorry about you.

You know. Vaughn Taylor. Oh my god, JJ Henry. I love to do that. I don't hate that team. I love that team, actually. What's bad is that the last year's team almost got beat as bad as those guys did. I think last year's team got one and a half more points than the O6 Ratter Cup team did.

Oh, okay, that's bad. I think that's bad. I think that's bad is that the last year's team almost got beat as bad as those guys did. I think last year's team got one and a half more points than the O6 Rattercut team did. Oh, that's bad. Are you, are you, this isn't one of the questions we got. Are you, correct me if I'm wrong and saying, I think I may be a little more passionate about just the Rattercut from a U-over all US perspective, but are you worried about the US team in this regard at this point? I'll be honest. I don't really even think about the rider cup until beginning of September till I FedEx cup. Why do I think about it so much then? I don't know. It's kind of fascinating. I'm more, you know,

It just doesn't get my juices flowing the same way and it's far out. Yeah, see I love it. I mean, you grew up playing Team Golf too though. I love the Team Golf aspect and I just love the different, the chance, I don't know, I get really passionate about any US team events of any sport that I used to play. Like US Olympic basketball, I was watching any hour

the night, you know, like I really love watching that. And yeah, so to watch, like US watching US soccer on national stage is always really fun. So I did, I haven't come to golf, it's like full circle for me. It's a combination best of both worlds of the two things I like the most golf and watching the US compete nationally. So I get pretty passionate about it and I'm just sick of the euros talking so much trash, deservedly talking trash, but I felt like this was gonna be the year that the script flipped,

but man, US golf for the last two months, three months has been rough. Oh, it's been brutal. Yeah, but I mean, maybe get that out of your system now and you peak when you really need to peak, but I don't know. So are you excited for Olympic golf? Yeah, not really.

Kind of, I mean, I watch it, I think. I might be traveling. That's kind of during European holiday time. So I'm not gonna base my schedule around it. I try to base my travel around majors, at least a little bit. I'm not going to make that effort for the Olympics, but they just, they could have made it so much

better with a better format, but I heard Jeff Shaq for Talking Battle and Shaq House about he said the course is really cool, which I've not heard great things about the course. So that was actually interesting to me. Jeff's usually pretty critical things, so I was surprised to hear that he liked the golf course, but what do you know about the golf course? From what I've heard, I mean just how I understand it, it's kind of this new, I really like the whole concept of making it pretty playable off the tee and then, but you know, so you can make it better for, you know, because it's going to be a public course after after the fact. So better for guys that are, you know, just coming out and messing around versus you also make it difficult for the, you know, lower handicap players where

you got to play to a certain side of the fairway, guarantee yourself a certain angle in the green. So, you know, more strategic off, I'm all for that. I'm sure with with kill hands, I mean, it looks like a pretty flat, you know, non-descript piece of land. So You didn't seem like you had the best piece of land to work with but but by all accounts of you know Kill hands is a stud. So yeah, what I mean, do you think we're gonna see a lot more guys drop out mostly because of Zika? Yeah, I think we will Other sports too, you think to buckle Yeah, I think we will. Other sports too, you think? The Bockel. I don't know, that's a good question. I don't know.

I saw that thing, I think, Cas, Roberto Castro tweeted out, or retweeted it. Last week, with the Harvard Medical Review or something like that. I read that, but then I saw something where people were kind of rebutting that and saying that was overblown. So I don't know time to tell, you know come Yeah, I'm gonna get you out of here in the one last questions again. Our buddy Tim Kalamore. It's a good question I like these kind of questions rank ascending order of preference the players the WGC match play PGA masters us open British waterberry open. I'll say him again players WGC match play and then the

majors. And is this a fan or a player? Both. Okay. What was I read it as a power rankings of what you would want to win as a player as like notoriety? Let, let's see here. I mean the water barrier opened seems kind of... I was the one that launched Happy Gilmore's career. It was, and that's what created this entire golf phenomenon. I mean, what followed Happy Gilmore, it was Tiger Woods. It's not a coincidence. Exactly.

I would say, I don't know, Masters in US Open are kind of one A and one B for me. I put the British firmly behind them kind of on its own, but definitely, I'm sorry, the open championship, I don't want it to be open season up. I purposely called the British open now. And then I would say PGA I would definitely put the players above the, I definitely put the players above the VATWGC. Okay, I agree with you list I would put masters well above the US Open for me. But I guess okay from a fans perspective or viewing perspective does that change at all, that ranking? I would say maybe you put the PGA up there. Yeah.

And it seems like the PGA is kind of treated us to more good finishes of the last few years than any other tournament. Yeah, I have a hard time putting it above any of the other majors though. I mean, I love watching the show open, to be honest to me. And I think I like...

Yeah, that's definitely my favorite one. I think it's masters in British to watch. Yeah, definitely. I like watching that more than the British more than the US open. I think I agree. But all right, man, we'll get you out of here on that one, unless you got anything anymore. No, I just don't know.

Any left in the chamber? I got a question for you. So I played a three club tournament yesterday. I guess Monday actually. Uh, done Jacksonville, like this to hilarious, you know, a unique course with DJ and some other PGO tour guys. And I chose three wood, six iron, gap wedge. Okay.

Well three clubs, would you choose? I've done this, the three clubs, we've done it up in Boeing on the Boeing trip. I went driver seven iron and sand wedge. Because I put it with the driver. What did you put with the wedge or the three wood? I started putting with the wedge and I actually switched to the six iron. Six iron, okay. That's what I really was with the driver. What did you put with the wedge or the three wood? I started putting with the wedge and I actually switched to the six iron.

Six iron, okay. I wouldn't. That's what I really was with the six iron. But yeah, I was wishing I would have had a driver. I mean, I literally, I whiffed the ball on the first tee. Like all these other guys are like, I kind of imagined Bob Barker was like, this guy sucks. Like it was, it was almost a masculine.

He's just demoralizing thing. I've ever been drunk at golf course. I started to get my trash right a little bit. I'm like the fourth or fifth hole. Nice. But I was playing with somebody else's clubs, and it was just, it was a debacle. But I guess the thinking is that you can hit the three wood

out of the fairway though, right, if you need to. But you shouldn't be that many. I invented the driver off the deck. That's true. You did invent that. It's padded. But I feel like you wouldn't need it that often. The three wins of course we played.

Yeah, it was like 3,000 yards. Yeah, but questions if it's a one club tournament, what do you pull? I'd go seven iron probably. I think I go like five. I don't think seven's getting you out of any bunker that five can't get you out of or anything like that And you need to cover as much distance as possible. Yeah, you get five iron five iron close to a lot of holes

Yeah, we need to hit that close at 200 yards. Yeah Yeah, or if you're or if you're golf WRX member you hit that about 240 on the fly So what if you hit just what if you just pull a putter? Just a hood. The T's. Just a hooded putter, just flight it. You could fly to putter like 240. It would break though, very quickly, I'm pretty sure.

All right, that's too far. We're talking about hooded putters, the foot. That sounds good. All right, Tron, appreciate the time, buddy. That's how we'll do it. Sometime around the US open, I'm sure. Thank you, man. Thanks. time buddy we'll do it sometime around us open I'm sure thank you man the right club be the right club today

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