No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 393: Sony Open Recap

Episode Date: January 18, 2021

We discuss Kevin Na's win at the Sony Open, Chris Kirk regains full tour status, Ralph Lauren ends its partnership with Justin Thomas, the second half of the Tiger documentary and more.  Plus, Neil debuts a new equipment segment.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast, Solid Here, to my left, Mr. DJ Pie. Greetings, Aloha. How are you guys?

Across the table, Mr. TC. Buenos dias. And making the debut for so far this year on the pod, Mr. Neil Schuster. Thrilled to be here. You ready to talk about your boy Joaquin? What, what, what did you guys do this Joaquin? Before, it's keen.

It's just keen now, okay. We'll get there. Are you one of those people that pronounce as Xavier, X Xavier? I'm not, no. But there's certain words I have trouble. I'm glad Sully aired you out on the, the, the Draft King's thing this week

because you've been pronouncing him Joaquin Phoenix for a long time too. I know, but I want to say this phonetically, either phonetically, the J is still silent. So am I saying it wrong? No, the J is the J is you say, you say, you know, I say Joaquin. I don't say joking.

You're supposed to say the J. Joaquin, no, Joaquin. No, it's Joaquin. No, it's Joaquin. And now it's just keen to me and keen balled out. All right. We'll try to don't we could get you like to know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, just keen to me. And Keen balled out, all right? He tried to down it.

I thought we could get you like to do it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I thought I'd thought about it. I thought about it. I'm going down a wrong path with it and it just convinced you forever that it was. Phenetically, I'm not saying it's not the right way to pronounce his name.

You're not saying that he's incorrect about how he pronounces his own name. But, no, he's not. But technically, but Jay is still silent. I'm missing the name, but I'm not that far off. I'm not saying Joaquin. It would be different if I was saying Joaquin. If you're ever unsure, just go to YouTube

and look up the head, read. Half time speech. Exactly. Or just calm Joaquin. Before we get going too far, Kevin Nah wins the Sony Open in Hawaii with a bag full of Callaway clubs and an Odyssey two-long putter.

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Torsional, that sounds about right. It's gotta be, has something to do with torque or torso. Oh, have a trouble pronouncing the words. Are we, is it Torsional? I don't know, let's get, maybe we have to get a second opinion on that word. Here's how it works, and how's it? Did you sound it out?

Was it phonetically correct? I don't know. There's less bulging and twisting going on. It helps you reduce the amount that the driver had twists and deforms when you hit the ball. So that sounds like something everybody interested in. Well, I would like some listeners to chime in

to see if we pronounce that one correctly. And thank you for Callaway for putting Sally in that position. This means more energy stays in the driver face and transfers to the golf ball. That means more ball speed. Sounds pretty useful, I would say. There's a new Epic driver for just about everyone. They've got all got the jailbreak speed frame.

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Okay. The jailbreak going both ways. So it's the super max. It's going horizontal and vertical. They're getting out of there. Everybody's getting out everywhere. Lead handleable like your situation. They're jumping walls on both sides, unbelievable.

That would mean your golf ball is not going horizontal. It's just like straight. Yeah, because there was a bunch of energy diffusing out of the sides, and then they realized, oh shit, we can tighten that up on the side. So you're breaking out of jail, or are they making it more secure? I think they're making it more secure. Right, so that's what I'm saying.

I think we got to think about this. Well, I'm excited for the updated color scheme. The green looks sexy. I'm excited to get my hands on one of these drivers. We're gonna do a little more what's in the bag near the end of on the back half of this episode. So stay tuned for that. Kevin Nott, I think it took maybe 30 seconds,

less than a minute after he had won before I heard the first, like I said it. So as many career wins as Ricky Fowler, who wants to take it. So as many career wins as Ricky Fowler. That's true. Who wants to take it? TC? Yeah, he's got his maker when he's a failure. I'm not the biggest Kevin Knoff in. So I think it's anyone a huge Kevin Knoff in.

I just feel like he's thirsty. Oh, for sure. I think that's fair. I think he's interesting to watch. You know, I feel like we've kind of well-worn this territory a little bit with Na winning a couple of times the last few years. And it's like, you know, would I rather watch him or no offense to Brendan Steele? Like Brendan Steele run away with it.

Yeah, I mean, he's another watch Kevin Affle. He flagged it down the stretch. He's hitting great. He's hitting great. Yeah, it was, it was, it was, he's twitchy, you know, it's, it's fun. He was a lot more fun to watch when he couldn't pull the trigger though. Oh, yeah, it was, of course. I have a similar to this group with the boomerang on web,

especially TC of, you know, used to be some web haters in this room, kind of boomerang like, man, web's a killer. I feel that I'm getting that way with Nah. Like I just respect his game. He keeps delivering what for one win a year for the last four years. Like he just, he shows up for handles seasons.

Not for him. Sorry, seasons. It's one like four times in the last four years. Like he just, he shows up for handle seasons. Sorry, seasons. Right? It's one like four times in the last, one once a year for the last four years. One twice in 2019 season. Yeah, once a season. Okay, so. It's the Dustin Johnson Memorial Stat.

Which, but that's the rest. They're able to say he's won for whatever 26 season. I also thought his post-round comments were, I think he keeps it real in the interviews. He's like, you know, I have to take advantage of a course like this. There's only so many. He's like, last week, that course doesn't fit my game.

But like this course, I have to show up and play well. And some guy in the generation of Kizner's comments from earlier this, there's a lot of that going around this week. But a guy that has struggled with not being able to pull the trigger, he seems very conscious of his strengths and weaknesses and willing to talk about it. And I appreciate that about him, even though he can be a cheesedick.

And the walk it in stuff, I get tired a lot of his antics, but I do respect him. It's way better to have the narrative around you be about you walking in Puts than it was being the slowest player on tour. So to his credit, like, he's a big rebrand. He's a lot of credit. That's true. He's sped up a lot on that. At some point, he's going to try to walk in one of these puts down the stretch of the tournament and then totally miss.

Like, it's gonna happen at some point, but the dude shoots like 99.8% on those. It's remarkable. He's not like, he's not like, I think he missed one when he did the charity thing at Olympia Fields, but like, that probably doesn't count one. And it's not like it's a six inches out. He did one on, oh oh what is 16 today?

Like down the stretch today, you walked one in from 15. That was less of, that was less of, that was less. The first one he did that was good. Yeah, the first one was. Yeah. The other thing I'll say is a guy that turned pro quickly didn't go to, he didn't go to college, right? Just one pro.

Yeah. You see a lot of like when we did the topic based part about like the biggest what you know what could have been It's like it's fun. It's nice to see a guy that Probably got down lost his confidence and bounced back and now he's had a substantial pro career Like it's it's nice to celebrate a guy like that. I think just I respect him Just got a text from will protect the name. We'll call them a professional golfer, who just said, quote, please, please, please stop the Kevin now walking in madness.

Well, I'm with that. I think that would be directed at Kevin Noth, and like, he's the one walking me in. We can't stop the madness. I'm not a part of it too. It's maybe just a vent from this person. Like, I don't know. I guess some of the stuff that irks me

about on the low bit is just like, everything just seems very conscious. He seems, I be very conscious of everything that he's doing and I guess, I don't know if it feels authentic. I think that's right. And I think, I don't know if this is a byproduct of, I don't know, I'm trying to be empathetic,

I think, here to Kevin Na, but going through many, many years being very publicly the slowest player on tour probably makes you feel pretty fucking hated, I would think. And I'm guessing he's putting his finger on the button trying to figure out his finger on the scale, trying to really tip some people back his way. And in his defense, it's not saying it doesn't come off

as inauthentic, I'm just saying, maybe that's the reason why. It's pretty easy to fool a lot of people in golf that way. You know what I mean? Like that kind of pandering works at a lot. He's got the logo on his shirt. And I'm sure 95% of people would see it. You know, you've got the walkin' in logo and it's short, it's just lame.

That's, but I would say what I'm saying is I appreciate that he is, you're saying the consciousness is a negative. I think, I think he's thoughtful, he might be too thoughtful. It's a Garth Brooks, you know, there's two sides to that coin. The consciousness, like in his post-round interview, was like, man, he understands, it's like somebody that you give feedback to, and he's taking the feedback.

Like he's like, conscious, but maybe he's just doing it too on the nose, right? He might be Chris Gaines. It's possible. It's possible. His stats move. It's very interesting. His stats for the week, for each of the four, so the four categories, off the tee, approach

the green around the green and putting. For each of the four days, he had one net, on Thursday, he lost strokes on the green. The other category, all four categories, every other day, he had positive strokes gained every single day. That's the biggest thing I can say about him, about his game is whenever I watch him, it feels like the results are bigger than the sum of his parts.

Totally. And I think you're right, Neelan, just hearing him talk about, you know, very consciously about, man, I really have to take advantage of certain weeks, even just looking at his OWGR and the last couple of years, I mean, it's top 10 at Heritage,

win at Colonial. Also that stat I gave his wrong, so ignore that, but. Which one? The off the tee I was wrong. But he struck it really well, I put it really well. So,

when it Shriners played top 10 at Mexico, which is a different kind of course, fifth at Travelers, different kind of course, ninth at Memorial, kind of a different kind of course, you know, so I definitely second shot. He, he's definitely, he picks a spot. He's kind of guy that if the ball didn't go as far as it did, we'd see probably a lot,

lot more of him. And down the stretch, he's not scared. Like he get, you know, where you feel like, I know offense to Brennan's steel, but kind of like last year, just kind of, you know, you can feel a little hesitation maybe. Bones seem to be all over that from like the front nine on. Like yeah, he is giving himself, cause himself way too much stress. He's making a lot of eight foot par plus and that's gonna wear on you over, of course, around. I know I said this last week you guys disagreed,

but I think Bones is getting way better. I thought he was great again today. I thought he was bringing in some real world stuff. It was great. I'm with you. Solid, you were sitting downstairs. You were kind of not feeling the, feeling bones on the couch. Me? We rose to him.

He said he was the last week. We rose to him. No, I was not feeling Leonard. Leonard does. That's a weird roasting thing for me. I don't want to get into hamster damn here if you guys don't want to. I love, I love bones this thing about, you know, man, if I was his caddy right now, like this is exactly what I do out getting his face

and say we need to birdie every remaining hole. And I thought Leonard too, and, and Rolfing, and all those guys were touched a lot on, you know, the dynamics of not having your regular caddy in a situation like that. When you're someone like Brendan Steel, who's not, you know, not contending for wins all the time, that's got to be a really weird feeling.

There were so many conversations between stealing his caddy that they totally missed, ignored, cut away from, didn't even pay any attention to. And that was the only thing that was interesting about Brendan's steal today, and they ignored it. Well, so I would say, I'd be fair to you.

You did, you had a good line on the couch, like, bones never misses an opportunity. No, he gets really excited when he greets in a bad joke. What is about to get a joke out? You can tell he up to up he gets to get a joke out. My thing with bones is a more of a production thing. I'd like to see them just lean on them for a caddy stuff. He does a lot of play by play.

And his skill is like the caddy related stuff. Like the way they were using John Wood was how I would use bones. But bones loves pointing at a good rake job too. Which is great. I don't know if he's got a friend on the, you know, friend. Cause it's on the ground. On the ground? On the ground?

He's in these great lights. One of the best rake jobs we've seen all week. I think bones is loosened enough. I think it's going to, it's only going to get better. I'm going to do this. I think he seems to be having fun. Which makes me have fun. It's like a good cheesy joke if if it's like with the right vibe.

Yeah, come on, bring it more of that. And I wonder if, I'm probably reading way too much into this, but I wonder if some of that is John Wood and just like having someone to, like that was always the ferriti thing, right? Where when ferriti's on the crew, like everybody else loosens up and everybody else feels like less pressure to, you know,

it just seems like they have a lot more fun. Maybe John Wood kind of bringing some more energy and some more insight and obviously both caddies and who knows, maybe that's been really good for them. Does Faredi work in golf anymore? I don't really know. Great question. Someone said they had done 150 episodes of Faredi, but they got canceled or canceled or not renewed or whatever this week. It's other yeast still on them. That's so many, that's about 100 more episodes than I would have thought they did.

Well, they've got so much original programming that take its place. So I can see easily why they, you know, they got rid of the herfery, but bummer. Chris Kirk. Next topic. Next topic. Next topic.

Don't you have family members at golf channel? That we're unrelated. That we're unrelated. That we're unrelated. Chris Kirk, T2, locks up his status on the PGA tour. 65, 65, 65, 65, 65. What do we call that? That didn't win.

We call it a Chris Kirk. We call it a social, are we called it a Medicare? The Medicare. Or an ARP, which is 50, but really, you don't really get deep into ARP until you're like 60, 65. It could be a fully vested week, you know, like you're investing in your retirement that week, that kind of a thing. So we shot even part of the week.

He's allowed to touch his 401k. It's a 401k. It's penalty free. 401k is good. It's a 401k. He's the rob. He's the rob. Huge shout out to him.

He detailed, you know, told his story well in the pod and to many other sources last year of dealing with anxiety and how that led to alcoholism and leaving golf to get treatment and coming back and winning on the corn fairy tour and now almost winning on the PGA tour but locking up his status. That was, I believe your comment, they did an amazing job telling that story today on the broadcast.

But that was maybe what I said. I don't know. I feel like I've done a good job of not being hammered the broadcast guy and I only bring this up because I think the Chris Kirk thing is one of the best stories in golf and it really doesn't feel like that when you watch TV. It's like, that is a guy who's gone through some really fucking big, fairly relatable demons that I would guess would resonate with a massive part of the audience who have had either gone through something like that themselves or had family members or whatever.

And they don't ever actually explain what's going on. It's very similar to the JT thing, where it's just like, yeah, you know, with everything that's happened. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. It's like, yeah, you know, not everybody's on Twitter for 18 hours a day, like knowing all of this stuff that's going on. Not everybody listens to this podcast, not everybody read the thing Wil Gray wrote, you know,

like explain what's going on. So to that point, it's not just like, oh, you know, with everything he's gone through, it's like, no, he went through fucking hell over the last two years. This is a massive thing. But I'm, so I have the story right, and for listeners, he took a medical leave to go to rehab

For alcoholism to get treatment. Yeah came back and this was his last start Before that major start before that major medical would have run out So he would have if he finished I think it was I'm gonna get the numbers wrong But if you finish like t33 or something he'd have conditional status Which means basically, you only get into the events, other people don't wanna play in. And he's got past champ status in his back pocket.

So he's got a few ways he could get to events, but it wouldn't be- But he needed to finish T3 or better this week in order to basically like recharge his status that he had when he left. To pick back up where he left. So now he has a full card. Yeah, so imagine somebody telling you, and listen, Chris Kirk has been playing good for

a couple of months now, one on the Cornfairy Tour, like he's been playing, playing solid. But imagine someone tells you like, hey, there's a, a field of, I don't know what is it, 144 or 156 this week, whichever size field it is. Of literally the best players in the world, like you need to go finish T3 this week, otherwise, you know, your job's security. It's go shoot 20 on this. It doesn't exist, and then you go do it. That's mind blowing, man.

It's go shoot 65 four days in a row. And you don't get to win. Yeah, and you won't win, but that's for your livelihood. Not only that, he was freaking impressive to do. He was two over through three today. Yeah. He boaked two of his first first three and then still shot 65. I would, I'd like to shout out, he has metronomic tempo.

Oh, dude, he's so far away. And he has, it's like, apathetic tempo. It's so good. And he like nukes the ball for how apathetic it looks. It's just, it's really smooth tempo. He's like, he's a guy and a lot of it was the podcast and a lot of it was how open he's been over the last year but like massive fan.

I was a bum that they undersold the story today. That's the only coverage stuff I get to talk about to his family. Exactly. Which, yeah, the part, he could have just even detailing this story could have been pretty vague about some of the stuff he was going through. But like talking about how I could go, I would have a bad round of golf, I would go to the hotel room and like freak out how I'm gonna pay bills. Which is like, when he has millions of dollars

in the bank, that's the demons he created and for himself in his head, and you just can't unspool that stuff once you start whipping yourself up. But going back to the broadcast, so the only way he could address the anxiety going on in his head was to drink, and that's when it just kind of this two way thing that just spiraled on him until he finally sought some help.

And yeah, just getting healthy was a huge step. And then now playing great golf is pretty easy for him. There's two different things that could happen. He could have just relied on, hey, I've got some issues, I worked through my issues or whatever. Or he chose to be very, very, very public and upfront and letting people in and telling his story.

And so for me, when the broadcast fails to tell that story, shame on that. Well, and a lot of it's like, I'm guessing they almost, either they've got so much stuff going on that they feel like they can't devote enough time to it or whatever, or they're so conditioned to not talk about anything controversial whatsoever that they just completely steer away from it. But the problem with that is like, no, he's already like realizing it.

He's not a super person. Yeah, he's out there with it, man. Like, come on. They protect their play. Even when the guys don't need protected, they'll go out of their way to just like protect a player or whatever. And on a similar note, because it's going to come up this year and he's gonna play well, like props to Bubba Watson, who's like basically done and said a lot of the same stuff.

I don't think he's dealt with like the alcoholism side of it, but a lot of the anxiety stuff, like he was super vague over the last year, 18 months about like, hey, Bubba, you look like you lost like 40 pounds, like what the hell is going on? And it's just like, oh, yeah, it's health problems, health problems, health problems. Didn't explain it. I think he laid it all out with, I don't know if it was golf week, or I feel bad, I don't remember where it was,

but it was guy, you know, come and... Yeah, it might have been golf digest. But same kind of thing, just like a massive anxiety battle and like kind of rebuilding his whole life. And it's like, man, those are very real real issues these guys are really liable. And it's like that's the kind of stuff that makes it like Chris Kirk, following whether he was going to finish T3 or not was truly the only thing like keeping me, you know, upright

during this, during the telecast this afternoon. And it was kind of a bummer to see it not really. Other than Keen. It was trying, trying, trying to, yeah, that's fine. Keen trying to try and try to. Yeah, I was fine. It was trying to get a win. It was Steve Demeguele and Golf Week. There we go. Real quick, Round 3 was the lowest scoring round in PGA Tour

since 1983, which I love all the stats to go back to 1983. It was, which also means of all time, because that's where the stats program started. 66.66 was the scoring average in Round 3. Very specific. Amazing. And then we did it. I never thought this day would happen, but the ninth hole today at Wildlife

played more than a shot under par, which is just incredible. What, how about the 18th being the hardest driving hole on tour since 2013? It's a misleading stat. It's just like not hitting the fairway. I guess it was firm as hell. And it like slopes away from you on that dog's like right. And it's still an easy as hell hole.

Like even if it goes in the rough it's just like everybody's hitting it too. And everyone's got a cousin on the groundscreen. Of course. Slippes in their lives. TTP's great lies. There were 14 Eagles on 9 today and six parts. Two bogies. 51 birdies.

So yeah, there was two bogies had had to hit it out of bounds. I'm guessing. I don't know. 65 par or better or sorry, birdie or better and eight par or worse. I don't know if everyone that came through today. That's amazing. I bought this going back to Chris Kirk. Before he played 18 today, his par five scoring average for the week was 3.71. He birdied 18. His score average would have. His score average would have. Wow.

Maybe the ball goes too far. There's smooth a tee box is back, right? There's plenty of room at wildlife. We are rolling into, we're missing out on the Saints Buccaneers game right now. We are rolling into coverage. It's called James's beating. I love James. Well, let's hurry up and get through this so we can go watch it. We are rolling into coverage. It's called Jamis is beating. I love Jamis.

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You made one of the greatest points I've heard in a while. It's a very obvious one, but... Why the hell do professional golfers get a full club length for live cleaning place? Like, all right, the idea is no mud balls, whatever. Russell Henley at one point, they're like, you know, stuitly pointed out, you know, he's on the friend's here, but he used a driver to move it one club linked over

and eliminate four feet of break on a putt. Why the hell should a pro often get to do that? He was like, nah, I don't like this. But shit, even when you play in a scramble sometimes, it's a score card thing. Score card thing. I played a mini tour. I was gonna ask, I was gonna ask.

I was gonna ask, it's almost like, the club length is like the qubit in the Bible. It's like, well, there's just no other measure. Guy like this. That's all we've got. We don't have a ruler. I have a hypothesis. It was a quid pro quo, or I don't even know if this

would qualify as a quid pro quo. It was basically the opposite of an eye for an eye. It was to redeem them for the in-course OB. Total make it. This is- Set that up. They put in-course OB between the 18th T and 18th green, basically the 10th hole made that in course OB.

Normally there's grandstands there that prevent that. Is that right? Yeah, because that's where Brandon's deal hit the ball. There's grandstands up the left, up by the ball on the left side. Okay. And then Nick Taylor got quite a break on Friday night. This dropped. It was like, I totally get the,

the ruling and the reasoning behind the drop, but like, what was it? What happened? The shit that he was saying that to get the drop of like, yeah, like I'm going to hit like a 230-hour left-handed shot. So the fence was below and the fence is the, is the OB line, but then the net, which is always there is a temporary and movable obstruction.

Which like, if it's always there, how is it a TIO? And secondly, like, there's no way he's going to hit a 230 yard high draw. Left handed? Left handed, where the net is going to come into play. Yeah, it was. Literally, it time is a flat circle. Because on this podcast last year, we were railing on TIO relief with Brennan Steel's It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime.

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It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. It's not crime. like, hey, this is one of the places on tour where you can blast it up there to the right and you get a free drop right next to the green and that's part of the deal. I have part of the strategy of the whole. Yeah, look, you took out the grandstands this week and scores just plummeted. They just, they really struggled with the golf course. It's really providing an advantage.

You know, why lie? I know they kind of depend on the wind and weather, but man, it's tough to watch a golf course. I always say when there's, you know, coming down the stretch, there's no bite. There's no bite. You have to work hard to make a mistake. I don't like watching the best players in the world

have to fall all over themselves to make a bogey. Like, who made a bogey coming down the stretch that mattered? Right in Steel Shot 37 on the back, not. Listen, that's gonna happen. But, uh, that's about it. Now, I get what you're saying. So, there's no variation. There's no, there's no excitement.

You juxtapose that with, like, for me, Bay Hill last year. When I was just like, oh my God, man, they might, like, how's he gonna get that down to? How's it going? Yeah, like, it's just, and I don't know what you do with, with Whylight, well, actually, we were talking, make it at Part 68. Test it out, like,'s just, and I don't know what you do with with Why Light. Well, actually, we were talking, make it a part 68.

Test it out, like who cares, right? Like just be like, hey, let's, I'm with you, it doesn't answer the question though, of like needing, you know, defining golf shots. Turned down the stretch, that just didn't seem like it really had it. I don't know, that's, well, I'm just gonna ask for like,

I think it would change the mental aspect for a lot of guys. Like they'd be like, oh man, now I'm over par. Like, you know, that matters a little bit. This is gonna sound like I'm not being serious, but I'm not really sure if I am. But it's kind of golf course at this day and age, it almost feels like it needs to be like a five club tournament to like make an interesting.

I'm sick. You know what I mean? It's like, it's right now, it's, I set it to the beginning of the week. I'm like, oh, I love this week. And then I tried to watch it Thursday night and I tried to watch it Friday night. I'm like, this blows, man. Like, what am I doing? And it's really fun to watch for nine holes, but like, man, I don't need to watch 72 holes.

It's hard to lock in for the whole tournament. Of course, the whole tournament. Whereas, I think like there is enough going on, on and around the greens and stuff that if it was like a five, if it was a five- club thing and you started missing greens and had to chip in different ways like that might be interesting. But now we're getting to Adam Scott like yeah it doesn't even matter man. There's so many tournaments like do whatever you want. I just imagine this going up. Going up saying going up against the NFL playoffs. Just imagine like you know we're going to do the same exact thing we do every week, and we're gonna go

up against the most popular sport in America. We're not gonna change anything. Our already people don't watch our products, but we're gonna do the same exact thing, and also no one is really gonna watch. But that's kind of the argument of when people say you shouldn't work on your weaknesses. You just double down on your strengths. They're just like, yeah, what's the point? Like even if we put all this effort into it,

and I get, no one's gonna, they're gonna watch football. I of course get the counter argument to my five-foot thing is, okay, Kevin Dawins and now that bolster his chances for the Ryder Cup. I mean, they're playing for like $1.2 million. It is a lot of money. What my theory presupposes is, maybe they don't need to be.

Like, maybe they shouldn't be. It's a tough spot. This is the wraparound season, bucking it's head and just like, starting to feel more and more like, yeah, you can probably cut that one, man. I don't think I'd miss that. Question for you, like, where the fuck was the weather?

Before the lift clean in place. No, I get that it rained like before the round or last night or whatever, but they moved this thing up three or four hours. I don't think it was too many, it was too long. I think it's pretty... Because they said it was gonna get biblical out there. Yeah, it ended at 8, 10, 3, 10 local times,

so really only like two hours ahead of when it would have, and I'm sure they would have... There's a big line of thunderstorms or storms that looks like it's rolling through, but it's still you know It's still east of or west of What is that I'm glad they did though overweight. It's still west of Kauai right now. I'm the green island I got no issue with the nine ten p.m. Eastern time. I just think yeah, I don't know we're monitoring the situation

T.c. Cantor, Tron Cantor, they're still a gale warning in effect for 3.45 p.m. Hawaii Standard Time until Monday at 6 p.m. Any ballistic missiles? No, I forgot about that though That would have been crazy this year versus years past if there was ballistic missile warning Well, listen, that's always crazy, whatever that happens. Well, we might be bearing the lead 30 minutes in here on maybe the biggest, I would say, safe to say the biggest story of the week that Ralph Lauren made the, maybe the ultimate

Friday night news dump saying that they are no longer, they're parting ways with JT based on his homophobic slur that was used in Maui. I think speaking for myself, I was quite surprised by this news, but was your guys' reaction? Yeah, very surprised. I mean, I think it's understandable, I think, from a company in the fashion industry,

they probably have a lot more LBGTQ employees, stakeholders, those types of things that are obviously not gonna mess around with a word like the one he used So I'm sure they were feeling some pressure from you know internally to hold it You know try try not speaking out of both sides of their mouths on those types of issues So it was both surprising because I don't think we see this kind of thing in golf very often But also I guess it you know makes sense. I mean we have seen it like Patrick Reed said it

So I guess it makes sense. I mean, we have seen it. Like Patrick Reed said it four or five years ago, right? 2014 fall, yeah, he said it. Nike stuck with him. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if there's behind the scenes stuff going on. Maybe it was a business decision based on, hey, this is a way to get out of our contract with him,

not saying that it was or wasn't. My problem with it was, I think it was well within there right to cut him or well within there right to cut them, or well within their right to keep them around if they feel like he's redeemable. My big issue with it was that last sentence of it just seemed like a little too cute or kind of trying to have it both ways. Where like if you're breaking up with the guy

and you're kicking him to the curb, then... Explain what they said or what you're referencing. Well they said like, yeah, we hope that Justin can do this and that and we can partner with him in the future. Yeah, something like he can earn his way back into that. Yeah, and let's say, yeah, maybe that does happen, but I don't think you need to say that, right?

I don't think you need to incentivize his doing the right thing. Like, let him go do the right thing, and if that happens, and if you guys wanna come back to the table and you feel like it's a fruitful partnership, then do that, but I don't, I don't know, I just don't think it's appropriate. They didn't need to telegraph that part.

Yeah, yeah. I think it did, yeah. It read a little holder than now. I think even go back to the na thing. If you're giving them the benefit of the doubt, I guess they're probably trying to extend him a little grace and make it look a little more like people are redeemable and we hope we can work together again in the future.

I've probably not worded great. Can I read it just so we have it? As we make this decision, our hope is that Mr. Thomas does the hard and necessary work in order to partner with us again, truly examining the sensitive learning, growing and ultimately using his platform to promote inclusion. So, which, listen, hard to argue with that sentiment, but I'm with you that it in the context of the release, it was weirdly worse. Well, you said me that even Lynch article that I thought he made a good point at the end,

which is, you know, if you really think about it, could more, could something positive, is it more likely that something positive could come out of this if they work together on it? Instead of just saying, like, let's cut's cut you know cut ties and a press release Well, what if like you know you get in a room and you say yo, this is not cool Like we have a zero tolerance policy for this so we you know That maybe not we're gonna make you do all this stuff, but Well, I think they could invest some time and energy into the

But what do you want to call it penance like you just making it right in a way and instead It's just like wash our hands, clean of it, which they're, again, allowed to do. But I thought that was an interesting point. I'm just saying, I think at the end of the day, it's JT's decision whether he wants to take steps or not. And, you know, I think the people that are saying, you know, hey, this is, this is, you know,

it's been like the other night, it was, it had been less than a week, right? And it's like, you know, like, maybe instead of like, going and, you know, it's been like, the other night, it's been less than a week, right? And it's like, yo, like maybe instead of like going and saying some stuff, maybe he's actually doing some shit. He was off this week, he's off next week, I think. Like, maybe he's doing stuff. I'm gonna doubt be next week. Oh, he's not, okay.

So like on the field list, I assume it's fine. Yeah, so I mean, it's like, maybe, you know, I'm gonna give him a benefit of the doubt there, but like, yeah, I've been in a month or whatever. I think the biggest issue here is the fact that, like, you can't rely on any punishment from the PGA tour. There's no accountability there. Which-

The fact they don't publicize it. Yeah, it makes people anxious about, it's same with like, read with the cheating thing. It was just like, there was no, there's no nothing. So people, like, it's, it's, well, I forget who described it as basically, like, almost like a, not a trial by combat, but like, people take control in their own hands.

It's like, they don't see the punishment, like, all right, we are mad about this, and we're going to roast you at the tournament, and you're going to yell at you. The tours actually making it worse for their players. Yeah. You know, and, and to me, that's like somewhat irresponsible, right? Where it's, it's like vigilante justice. So, Aiman Lynch's article on golf week is tremendous. I think, you know, Aiman,iman touches on this as being one of the few

openly gay people in golf. I especially appreciate his perspective on it and he just nails it. He says, there are two immutable facts in this sorry mess. What Thomas said was as despicable as it was dumb and Ralph Lauren has the right to decide who is an acceptable ambassador for its products. The company's decision to drop Thomas won't sit well with many, but it does not fall under

the lazy jargon of cancel culture. It's merely an example of the free market at work. The flip side of those facts is that an isolated, angry comment isn't the full measure of a man, and that the defense of human dignity isn't best mounted by an industry that postures while surviving on sweatshops. That is a paragraph there. And can I be honest? Like I'm curious to see what he's gonna wear next.

I don't like the RLX stuff. Straight up. I don't like the octopus pants. No, I don't know. That's the story here. It's not. I mean, I'm just being honest. Like, you know, so now Billy Hose there,

he's there lead dog. I guess so. Well, I mean, so like going back to Amin's piece, to me Billy Hose there, he's their lead dog. I guess so. Well, I mean, so like going back to Amin's piece, to me it gets back to, all right, what's JT gonna do? Right, and JT's a very smart guy. Like he seems, you know, it's funny because people were like, you guys are friends with JT.

I'm not really friends with JT, you're friends with JT, Solid, but like, I don't really, I think he's whiny and can be, you know, a little bit of, a little bit bitchy on the course, but like, I respect the shit out of his game. I think he's a very, very smart individual, and I think he's, and I think he's gonna, I truly believe, like, I'm totally sure

that he's gonna learn from this and do the right steps, but it like, it may not be on everybody else's timeline too. Right, that's the part of this that it was weird timing of it. It was almost a week after it happened and maybe it did have to go through many layers of decision making and all that to it for it to happen. Maybe they didn't like the plan that he had laid out to them or communicated that I could be a million reasons I really don't know why, but to that point where people are like, oh you guys are friends with JT like blah blah It's also like hey, you know what, like, was this person that was horrible

and did this without any heart or any, like, true remorse in his heart, I probably wouldn't be friends with him. Like, that's not the people I align myself with. It's not a either or thing. It's like, I don't know. We didn't get a lot of heat for, you know, like rushing to his defense.

I thought we had a very fair analysis and discussion on it and said that, you know that this doesn't end here. And I know he doesn't think it ends here. And he's got, I really hope that he isn't just trying to check the boxes on a lot of things and I don't get the sense that he is. I don't know. Can I air out one of the truly dumbest takes I've heard

and I don't have this all right? Maybe my lifetime would be from former golf channel, talent, Janela, who said that because of this decision, JT goes up in his book, Ralph Lereng goes down in his book. I thought that was a very unique way to look at the situation that really some of the takes definitely have whiffs of like, man, it got really quick that the the rich white golfer became the victim in this story. But there were some jock sniffing going on too.

That's, man, yeah, if that's your takeaway, like you might be too deep in the golf scene here. Which I don't think to take away, like I absolutely could not care less what JT's off course earnings are. Like I don't feel bad for him that he lost the money that comes with this. I think it's the statement that comes with it.

Which maybe he, like maybe that is gonna be a good thing. Maybe it's gonna help further discussion. Maybe it's gonna be, maybe it's well we need to turn the corner on things like this happening. I don't know, but it's much more of it being this big of a story. I mean golf, I have a surprise, I'm like golf channel, how much coverage they gave to it. For the league story.

Sponsorship deals are not their front, I mean golf, I was surprised how much golf channel, how much coverage they gave to it. For the league story. Sponsorship deals are not their front, you know, unless they're paid for, are not like the front lead stories very often on that channel. So props to them for that. You guys said it last week, it was nice to see them speak for himself twice,

you know, in interviews and apologize immediately. But I hope that same amount, like I hope there's, what I guess what I would look for is does he have a thoughtful, reflective response? Exactly. That's to me very important. It's like, do something, get creative. Think, almost like, did you go on a walk, figure something out? Like, get deep in it, like, sit in it for a while,

and do something. Most of it has to be right now. That's what I think T.C. what you're saying is like, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't have to be on the right thing in the immediate. Exactly, that's what I'm getting at. And I don't rush to anything. So hopefully it does that.

And do you truly understand why? Like why? It's not just like that the word is taboo, it's why. Do you understand the whole, you know, depth of that? And I mean, it makes another great point. In 2020, Scott Piercey posted to Instagram a homophobic meme about Pete Buttigieg. And lost his sponsors overnight,

two of whom, Titles and Vuchoi also sponsored Thomas, but there's an enormous difference between angrily muttering a disgusting comment to oneself on the golf course and taking the time to post a load some image to social media that targets an openly gay individual. Piercy got what he deserved. Thomas does not warrant the same.

Piercy also had an open reputation as a whole. Piercy is a piece of shit. Total piece of shit. So it is different, but there is a huge, huge difference between the two. And I think a subset of people want to lump all like JT and Piercy in the same bucket, which I think would be the wrong totally.

So I didn't realize JT was going to Abu Dhabi next week. He's on the entry list. Big ass appearance. I'm sure he is. But it will be curious to see what he's what he's what he's wearing for that. But Tiger doc part two aired tonight. We discussed it last week on the podcast. We had the Matthew Heineman and Matthew Hammacek, the co-directors on the podcast this week.

People on Instagram did not seem to like those two guys very much. Very much from people that probably did not watch the documentary or listened to the podcast. It seems like, but I thought that was a great conversation. I was really, really glad you did that. That was awesome. Well done. What are overall thoughts on, as we put a wrap on this? We had a spirited conversation last night,

Neil, you didn't get to share your thoughts last night. Neil was one of the guys on Instagram who was... No, I've been thinking about it a lot. I think my immediate... Be the cat alone. No, my immediate reaction was, I left watching Part 2 unfulfilled. That doesn't mean I thought it was a bad documentary. I thought it was put together.

Well, I was entertained, I guess, at the end of the day. I was entertained but unfulfilled. I think my another immediate reaction was, I felt like it would be a lot better if that documentary was made five years from now. I felt like it was made in the middle of a story. It's like, I don't know the ending to this story yet. I thought I was premature.

And that's a fair take. You know, regardless of the get, yeah, of course, it would be great to get more pro golfers in and just better sources. You know, I felt like I wrote a lot of papers in college, rushed a lot of papers where I didn't have good source material and got exposed by professors. Wouldn't you a creative writing major?

Yeah, but like another class is like when we had to do like a Columbia, you had to do the core curriculum and write about like the Iliad and you know, Dante's in Ferno, you know, just really I was ill. And like what's up real quick Dante's in Ferno or Dante's peak, which one do you inferno? Come on, not Pierce Bronson. No, no, no, I didn't know what. Bronson, which one do you go? In Fernar, come on, not Pierce Bronson. No, no, no, I didn't know what Bronson, which one do you go for?

Pierce Bronson. Oh, I just brought it. Point taken. Okay, yeah, I don't, run along with that trash. Anyway, my point is I felt like they had just very shallow source material. And then not only that, but like their bibliography was bad. What I mean by that is they didn't cite their sources.

Like who was that, who was the girl? And Mark Omiro's niece or daughter or Loria or something Loria? They didn't introduce her. They never explained that. They never explained that. It was Mark Omiro's friend. It's like, I immediately was like,

yeah, what, how are you Tire's friend? Like explain this. It's like the person in a family wedding or a family reunion. Now how do you know the fact that? No friend? It's like playing this. It's like the person at a family wedding or a family ring. Now, how do you know the friend? No, seriously, walk me through this. I want to know because otherwise, there's a lot of

madams and people that may have access to grind. It's like, I think it's important in a documentary like that if you don't have the topic or the person that you're talking about, it's very important that the credibility of each participant I think is like outlined. And how do you do that? And another example would be the Daniel.

Pete McDaniel. I mean, they didn't, he was awesome. He was awesome. He was awesome. But they didn't introduce him and it would have helped me like, oh, so he served in the military with Earl. Like, I think it was Earl's biographer, I think. Yeah, like none of that.

So then I would have thought like, now I feel like I got, I watched the whole thing and then learn that after I watched it. And now I'm like, well, I should have listened to that guy more. Right? You know what I mean? And that stuff was disappointing to me. And that's, I think, what led me being unfulfilled. Can I float this question and thought out there?

If you enter this documentary, and maybe they don't do themselves any favors by calling it Tiger, and presenting it as the documentary on the life of the man. Do you enter it very differently if I just sat here and said, do get, check this out. Like they got, you wouldn't believe it. They got like, Tiger's old girlfriend,

like talking about what he was like as a kid, and with images of him being like as happy as he's ever been, like a bunch of people that knew him and Earl growing up and like some of the people that were really influential in his life, like wouldn't you want to hear those stories? I'd be like, whoa, yeah, like that side of Tiger presented, I would want that. And I'm with you on like, you said the other night,

you said a mile wide and a foot deep. I'm with you there. But it could have been three, I wanted it to be a six parts, they did six parts on Nick Millions. I mean, come on. Like HBO, you got the money, like, expanded. And that way, that was okay. That was okay.

By the way, we should have it. We should do a crap. Nick Millions was totally fine. Maybe that should have probably been four episodes instead of six. But my point is, the point is with Tiger, it's like, I had a problem with, I'd say more than half of this part too, is about the scandal, which deserves a lot of attention. But if it's six parts, then it wouldn't have dominated it. And I thought they grazed over the most interesting stuff to me,

maybe as a golf fan, but even as in life is 2013, when he has that like come back here and he's playing really well, and then all of a sudden he falls off a cliff, the injuries, maybe the addiction. And instead, all we get is like, they dedicate like 10 to 15 minutes to like the D. U.I. footage, which is like, I want to know more about the chipping yips. And I want to know about like, they just, they totally breeze over because that 2014, 2016, like, it was just just and then all the golf is out of place and that just that that's a little like king that bugged me.

But like that was details details matter. Containingly saying a small like three hour thing. If you expand it out, they could have had more space. So I don't know. Sorry, I'm getting all routed. Armin Kitein saying, you know, it's saying that sentence about like you have no idea how deep he he went into the depths like, no, we don't.

He didn't tell us about it. That show was exactly right. That show was the glute deactivation and show us, you know, some more of the chipping stuff. The other thing that really stuck out to me was the 2006 US Open that he played when, you're right after Earl died. I don't think they mentioned that, did they?

They didn't even mention it. And like to me, it's like the first cut he missed. I don't think they mentioned that, did they? They didn't even mention it. And like to me. It's like the first cut he missed. That should be, yeah. That should be it. That should be it. Massive, massive part of the story and help them open a vein.

They can't get the tiger, but there's all sorts of press conferences and there's all sorts of emotional embraces and him just struggling like crazy that week. And then check it out, he won the next one. Yeah. Well, believe it. Okay, another thing that I struggle with in part one was Earl is the, Earl is the topic, right?

And his relationship with Tiger. But there's no backstool. Like, and they have this guy, Pete McDaniel, like, oh, let's go in. Let's dig into Earl's life a little bit. I would love to know more about him before Tiger was born and the Green Berets and all of that stuff that I as a golf fan, I know from the Wikipedia page that he was a Green Beret. I don't know anything about it though.

If that's his biographer, like what a missed opportunity. I think six part series longer, then you got one episode on Earl, then you've got Tiger's childhood and then all the good stuff from like the home videos and stuff, we can pull that thread even more. It just was the wrong, it was the wrong length, they didn't do it justice. And that frustrates me.

And that frustrates me. How like a very important question to answer on Earl would be how did Earl know what to teach Tiger? Like where the hell did he learn to play golf? Exactly. That's a good question. So what I'm hearing is it's more of a structural and time issue.

Almost everything you've said there, Neil, it's like, I would say expectations also. Expectations and also just like, you can't tell the story in three hours. Yeah, I just think it was rushed. It was like, they kind of said, let's not let perfect get in the way of good. And let's, we gotta be first.

And it's like, man, on this topic, it just doesn't, the story doesn't feel over, number one. And so that's kind of weird. And then they kind of, at the end, let's just, oh, well, he won the master, so we kind of got to show more of that in. But I kind of, but I think they kind of treated that. I didn't have a problem with how they treated that

because that was, that was kind of like, yo, the story isn't over. And hopefully this is, you know, it's still going when this goes and it's going for the next couple of years. I think the other thing though is like, if they were saying, all right, we're gonna do, you know, three, two hour segments or four to our segments,

then you get into like, they were already, you scrape in the bottom of the bin with interviews and with, you know, some of the footage and it's like, all right, like, what do you get? But then get better primary sources. That goes back to my college trip. I'm just like, hey, for a point. Well, they try, some of the footage and it's like, all right, like, what do you get better primary sources that goes back to my college experience? Well, they try. I don't think you can. That was the biggest issue.

Then you wait. That's my point. Then you wait. Then you, you, you keep, you keep working at it. I just think you don't just say like, that's like me writing a paper in college. Oh, I just got a turn of it. And, you know, that comes back to filmmaking, right? And somebody else may be making the documentary.

But not at HBO because they've got the rights to HBO. And that, to me, puts a HBO makes high quality shit, right? And their documentary is, like, anytime you see, we saw these promotions for months beforehand. So HBO has come out with a Tiger doc, must watch. I, every other streaming service could come out with a Tiger doc. And if HBO said they were

coming out with one, I would be the first in line to watch it just because of how much good TV they make, right? So it's just, to me, that's an... Technically, it's not TV, it's HBO. It's HBO. You're right, excuse me. But it's, you know, I think HBO may have greenlit something that wasn't ready and that's disappointing.

And there's something to the, it's premiering in two parts on Sunday nights. Like the previous Game of Thrones spot they held. Like I think they're struggling probably more on the Sunday nights that they used to own. I assume there's something to that. So I'm with you. You know what I disarray?

What I entertain, yes. I didn't hear anything in the last 10 minutes. I didn't hear hit piece. I didn't hear like overly select. That's what I keep reading about online. No, that's wrong. It's so dumb. It's they treated that well and it deserved the attention it got.

It just shouldn't have been the majority of the episode. Like, there's like, you guys said last week on, it's like the most famous scandal. DJ, I think you out. No, that's what I'm saying. That's why it deserved the time that it got, but the proportion to the rest of the story is, the story was longer. The story needs to be longer. Like you said, this is like the guy was the rest of the story is, the story was longer.

The story needs to be longer. Like you said, this is like the guy was the best golfer, dominant, and all of a sudden, like the oral history, we did on the trap draw three years ago. It's crazy. And they didn't even talk about it. So that's, I was gonna bring this up.

It's for the not, I knew the knock would come of like, should they make it yet? Should you wait till the story is over? I was also gonna be like, can I take you back to the journey of cat? Because we did a podcast episode on his career, documentary, like hour and a half long or whatever it was. And like, we were very clear on the time frame.

But it was very time frame. Yeah, time frame. And that's almost a time frame that I want. No, for ordinary sources either. Okay, so here's what I'll say. Except the Twitter that go into the movies. Yeah, that's true. But we don't know Tiger Ruzz is on Twitter.

So that could be. Maybe not a primary source. The only thing I'll say is, and this is why I really appreciated those guys coming on the podcast, was I think there's a gulf here between probably what you were expecting and or what all of us were expecting and what they set out to make, because I don't think they were setting out to make

the comprehensive Tiger Woods documentary, which I do think is how it got marketed and billed and even kind of edited a little bit. I think that what they were setting out to make, as they said very eloquently on the podcast, was no, like this is a portrait of like who this guy is and why he did the things that he did. And I think they did a really good job of that.

This is where it kind of almost gets unfair. Or it's like, well, yeah, but I didn't really want that. I kind of wanted like, I wanted a lot more. It's like, well, yeah, we can't do that without Tiger. So it's a weird thing. I know we talked about it at dinner last night, but where I kind of landed was, did I have fun watching it?

Totally. Did it need to be made? Like, I don't know, probably not. But is it gonna probably push a bunch of subscriptions to HBO Max? Yeah, probably not, but is it gonna probably push a bunch of subscriptions to HBO Max? Yeah, probably will. And so... Charles and John Stanky.

And the other thing I will say is, I don't think that this was one of those things that is gonna preempt anybody from ever doing the big full version of the Tiger doc. The last dance of Tiger. I don't think that they're gonna point to this and be like, oh, it's already been done. Well, but HBO might not.

HBO might not. Which is, which is a bummer, which is a bummer. So I will say this though, on a good note to end on a good note, the detonation of Billy Payne was a life affirming. I'm glad you brought that up, because that was the biggest takeaway from me. I know we talked a lot about part one, but the biggest takeaway from me from part two, talked a lot about part one, but the biggest takeaway from me from part two,

is all the scandal stuff is, it's pretty, you know, it's pretty line by line what goes on in the book and you know, there were no real surprises there. It was a little different to hear it straight from Rachel Yukatel or straight from these other women, but the biggest takeaway from you, and this is very hand up on how either ignorant or naive

or just locked into my own world I was in whatever year that was, 2009, when all the scandal stuff went on, and the blue curtain stuff went on, but the role that race plays in how all that shit went down, and the forced apology, and all that stuff, that was the most powerful part of part two, I thought it was Pete McDaniel coming on there and just like being very upset and just like,

God, I cannot believe he did that. That was humiliating and the fact that he didn't have enough control over his own life to basically just stand there and be like, this is between me and my wife and everyone else can buck off is heartbreaking. And the fact that they paraded him around and whoever, I think Brian Gumball said that about Billy Payne, like,

Brian Gumball said, it is a killer. Are they gonna do that to Fred Couples? Are they gonna do that to Nick Faldow? Like, where are you a little bit over? You run a golf club? Or aren't a pawn, yeah. I was gonna say, I meant to ask him,

I didn't get to this question when I had him on, was, while that, I forget who's talking, Dury, I'm talking about like parading tiger out there like that, they show a B-roll clip of Billy Payne like laughing it up with Arnold Palmer. Like I was like, I wanted to break couples right before that. Right, but Arnie's like the most famous womanizer that never got reported on or what not.

Mr. Palmer. Yeah, and they have that clip over that. I was like, that is really brilliant if you meant to do that. I wanna know if you meant to do that, but that is my- Well, it just, it makes me thankful that we don't have to hear Billy Payne talk anymore.

Like this April, like, you know what, that, that, that, God, that speech, he does such bullshit, man. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about Anno Cabrera, who made some exact specific, I'm sure he's ready to say that. We all have a dub too, and we hope he can win our spec. Yeah, going back to, like Tiger, so first, another two things I've got,

the blue curtain at PGA Tour HQ, that is like the biggest blue curtain I've ever seen. I know, Tiger. There's no souvenir I want for the kill house now more than that, but we've talked about maybe, Neil, you're going to the, aren't you going to the media day at TVC? Sorry, I'll try.

Maybe pop a couple of clauses of it. See if that thing's the late or not. I'll tell you a look around. How bad, how much bad advice Mark Steinberg gave Tiger over there? You think that's his biggest, biggest miss? Steinbergs? That's, like Tigers and Tiger, and granted, I don't know all the shit that Steinbergx had to clean up of tigers, but like

Yeah, I'm gonna guess there's a lot we don't know for sure No, it's on the documentary. Yeah, right, but it's lastly. I do think that it's an interesting Distinction listening to those guys about it's kind of how the rest of the world that is outside of golf views golf Yes, you know, it's not meant, this wasn't made for golfers specifically. It was made for the wider populace. And so I think that's a very important distinction where, like, nobody gives a shit if the shots are out of order

at Augusta or, you know, or, or I do. I know, the outside golf world. Still real to me. It's, but they never talked about is 2009. FedEx come but don't what but there's no or his to me. It's worth it to you and 20 18 Valspar. Don't burn the diehard golfers like they're the ones that are going to be your evangelist if the documentary is good like not putting the golf in order is just a that's just a

type of like what do you do? Whereas it's where I was going like my favorite thing that HBO's ever done, it's called legendary nights. And it was the story of the Arturo Gotti Mickey Ward. I think they fought three times. Like the best, like these guys just beat the shit out of each other, like three matches. It was unbelievable. And it was a 12 episode thing.

Mark Whaleberg movie, the fighters about. But it was a 12 episode thing. And Whaleberg movie, The Fighters About. But it was a 12 episode thing, and it was, in Granite, HBO is so into boxing and so deep into that ecosystem, but it was the details and all of that in Granite. They had both of those guys as primary sources, but it was just, it's a stark difference between, when you set out to do the unequivocal,

hey, this is the own encompassing thing. And no, we're telling a very specific theme here. And I think that's what, coming back to your point, it's all about expectations. Yeah. All right, let's move on. I don't have a lot to add on this other than on Helke Brao was arrested for something along the lines

of, you know, he was arrested by Interpol for some crimes committed against a woman in Argentina. Multiple women. Multiple women. Let's sucks. Not a fun story. I'm sure there'll be more to come on that one. But there are fans at fans coming back, I'm sorry, patrons coming back to the Masters in April along with the drive chip and putt and the Augusta National Women's Amateur. So I think that's good to be shared. Kindle, it's the other draft chip, but I'll give it back. They haven't announced that all of the all age groups are coming back. And we'll wait here more. Kids qualified last year.

So those kids that qualified for the 14, 15 year old division, some of them could be 16 now. If you had Danny Almate, I said, these kids can drive themselves to the course. That's a good one. Are we serious? Have some self-respect. Did you guys see Bryson's quote this week? I'm not going to read it, but

I've run all, frontal lobe injuries. Listen, the brain is a muscle. This one I've been, I've been preaching this for six months. He's going to get hurt. I didn't know it was going to be a brain injury. I thought it was going to be a torn ligament in his knee or something you know, his colon blew out. Yeah, but, you know, let's over it. The brain is a muscle and he's, he's strained it and I get it. He's put on too much weight. He said he's trying to lean out a little bit,

but while keeping his strength up and it's like, man, like, yeah, like it does seem like he's gotten the realization of, hey, maybe seven or eight protein shakes a day isn't good for your digestive health. Maybe who could see more is not always good. That's true, right? Maybe it's not... Maybe you can't just go.

Yeah, it's not a huge price in the week, but of course, you managed to make some news with just an answer. Why would you price a play this time? I was... T.C. I was just going to say the same thing. Overworked. Why didn't he play Sony and where he could have just bombed it over because he's overworked the frontal lobe Pooreth broke out. Maybe my favorite meme that there is which is the The really really long transcript of Bryson's whole answer about frontal lobes and exhaustion and all this stuff and

Pooreth, of course the little screenshot of the text message that I'm not reading all that. I'm happy for you though, or sad that happened. It was so good. Every time that meme gets used, it's funny. New segment we're going to do, not sure what we're going to call it here, but more like a little what's in the bag. So monthly what's in the bag? Yeah, just kind of a topical touch in on, could be a different club for each of us each month,

but Neil is going to kick us off for a first. We should call it the Killhouse Garage. Sure. Love that. We're in the lab. It's the Killhouse Garage. You know what? It has been a game changer for me the last four months, five months, driving iron.

Prime time, 21 degree. I call prime. Am I an influencer? What do you mean? Because I got one and then you saw another one. Yeah, actually, but you have the 18 degree, which I'd like to explore the space there a little bit, but 21 degrees, it's basically like a nuclear three iron. And I think the pie man put one in his bag as well.

I did. And you saw a little bit of this in Tour of Saus episode 11 when we get to Sylvie's Valley Ranch, where I'm kind of peeling the sticker off on the first tee, and I would love to give a shout out to Neil that we had just spent what five days in the wind at rock hard band and dunes, and Neil didn't mention, like, oh yeah, I got an extra one of these. It's just sitting in my travel bag.

The two pairs of gloves. Yeah, we're in the fucking rockies. Well, you didn't express an interest. That's because I didn't know about it. And then you're just like, oh yeah, I was like, Neil, that thing's awesome. Oh yeah, I got an extra one. Yeah, check it out.

Yeah, it would have been great. Pacific Doons, I might not have been waffling in the wind all day. You also put it in play on like the widest golf course on the planet. Well, that's true. But the thing, the one's nice about it is, it feels like a solid test.

A bit of a, get out of jail free card. It's nice to be able to hit what feels, like irons always feel safer. Yes. It's nice to be able to hit an iron that you don't, you know you're not gonna get a foul ball with. That's what I, it's like I'm gonna hit, I'm gonna flush this and I'm gonna be in the ballpark.

Yeah, it's gonna be in the ballpark and I teed up a little higher on solids. That was your tip of like you should, like kind of sweep it, hit it more like a wood than you do an iron. I try to hit no ground with it Yeah, don't take a divot and that's it's just like you don't really miss it then and you know It'll it'll curve and entail, but it's gonna be inside It's gonna be in play. I love that hybrid guy have you no, I've never really explored the hybrid space at all And my three would get a little spinning. You're like the cat

Yeah, I just I don't and maybe I should maybe I should work on the three would, maybe I should look into the hybrids, but this driving iron, and I hit it really well off the ground as well, but it's more of a, like, if I'm not hitting the driver well, I pull this thing out. It just, it goes so far. It does. It goes like 242.50. Like, it's really nice to have. So, can I say, I'll say this, and I bet you're going to agree with this, that if I hit a dead straight one, like accurate with a three wood, it's kind of just lucky. Like that just kind of felt lucky.

Yeah. Yeah, when I'm holding an iron, I kind of expect it to go very straight. I think the ball's gonna go where I think it's good. More often than not with most irons, but especially this one. Especially the respect to gear effect and everything. They're more forgiving, but also,

it's not to go straight. Yeah, straight. Like the three wood is the one clove in my bag that it's truly a dealer's choice on the two way miss. It's like, man, this could be the Mondo cleaf or this could just be the hooded ball that like, oh God, where's like, snipe it? But I got a question for you, Sally.

So the 18 degree versus the 21 degree. Like, do you think it, is it, you know, I'm hitting it like 242.45, like do you think that should I look into the 18 degree? I don't, I wanna flirt with the 21 probably because I have trouble, I have not been able to stop that club into a green. It goes long, frequent.

So it's great off the T-40, but not, it's not as versatile. And I need a club between four iron and three wood and I've just never gotten that, I've never bridged that gap very well. And I'm always in right in that zone. It sounds like you need like a 20 degree, just tune it down.

Something like that. But again, I get so much more distance out of it, off the tee, which is a great thing, but I still, I struggle to hit par five greens with the two iron. It just never seems to stop on the green. So maybe we could do like a x-forged jersey. A splash.

Yeah. I can try the 21. At the first team, if you like here. That would be very cool. You play the 21 today, I'll play the 18. That's another idea for something they could do to spice up Sony. You got to trade clubs with... You have to trade one club in the back.

We should play in competitor. Yeah. The driving iron, just an idea. This kind of talk made me think, I'm surprised more players on tour don't use two drivers. Don't have a fade setup and a draw setup. It gets back to the mini driver that I had in Oregon. Exactly.

Like I think I could, I've started to think about whether or not I wanna, because I'm only, I've drawn it too much lately, so I'm switching to a fade. And now when I have a right to left shot, I'm freaking out because I don't know how to hit it anymore. And I want it just a club that will do that. God, solid.

I just had a three wood. I just had a three wood. I feel like the three wood would be that. I carried two drivers for a long time. Like for me, the three wood's gonna go right to left. Right, but I almost want the draw, like the Maverick had too much draw bias for me, and so I switched back to the epic flash

because everything was going left. I had some other issues going on, but I felt like the Maverick had too much draw bias for me, and so I switched back to the Epic Flash because everything was going left. I had some other issues going on, but I felt like the Maverick was exacerbating that. And now I kind of want a Maverick and an Epic Flash, so I can cut the Epic Flash and draw the Maverick. What about the Epic Flash? I don't know, I got to do some testing, I got to get in the lab.

So. Well, anyway, I just wanted to call out the, for the first Killhouse Garage segment, that Callaway X forged 21 degree. It's amazing. A true game changer. I'll second that. I hit mine all the time.

It just feels great. I'm better with it lefty than I am with like my six iron. Yeah. So I was going to actually, I was going to ask you, as a high handicap or lefty, that club is valuable for you as well. Oh yeah, I was like, could the no. 25 yards farther than my five iron. Okay. It's crazy. I'm looking, once I go back

righty, I'm looking for like a 14 degree one. Just a mega, mega, frankenstein. A half iron. But with all that, with all that, you know, mass behind it. He's playing a 0.6 iron. He's in the decimals. A couple other items look forward too in the coming week. LPGA opening up their season at the diamond, diamond resorts tournament of champions down in Orlando. John Smoltz, I believe, is also going to be in the field. I just saw a lot of sex putters going on playing this year. So that'll be on golf channel this week as well as well.

The Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship on the European tour. JT Rory Fleetwood, Hatton, Fitzpatrick, Rose, Westwood, Polter, a lot of other people in the field. Rose, getting in the gym. I don't know if you want to talk about that. Yeah, Rose posted something on Instagram about two days ago, just all sorts of crazy faces that he's making down Albany in the box. No one could be less out of touch with like what people are expecting of him while he's

not playing. I guess you know what? I just, is Rose ready to fire it up in the next episode? No, nobody noticed you haven't been playing. What's that? Rose's been nobos now. I think so. He's not RLX.

So Billy Ho is the lead dog for. Correct. I don't think he's ever been in RLX. Yeah. Well, Rose was for a while, wasn't he? No. No. But, yeah.

I don't think so. Maybe like Rose strikes me as like the royal family. Okay. We've said this 80 times on this podcast. Nothing against Justin Rose. It seems like a great guy. I just, people like, people care about the royal family.

They care like what they're up to. No, but they don't even shit about, y'all, yes they do. It's a whole industry. Yeah, it is a whole industry. Like no one's fucking chasing Justin Rose and trying to snap photos through his bushes. All right, I guess here's the thing.

Justin Rose, he's big. He's a thing. He's said in the videos. He's controlling the narrative. He thinks he's a part of the role family. That's exactly it. And that's why I've talked to Sally about this. I know in the past where all the,

I don't know why I'm so deep in this, but all the Instagram stuff that's always dedicated to Team Rose and all, I don't know why I'm so deep in this, but all the Instagram stuff that's always dedicated to Team Rose and all, I'm like, I don't think there is a Team Rose. I think it's all made up in his head. It's interesting. It's fun to follow. Any other notes from Sony or the Galaxy?

We forgot to talk about Webb, who is a killer, and also his sunscreen. I mean, a much more extended sunscreen than whether he's a killer. No, it's truly epic, like guy with five kids, like I don't have time to rub my sunscreen in. Just like ultimate dad move, just got white sunscreen all over him for 18 hours.

Yeah, Trot's pulling with the Mark Zuckerberg surfing phone. No, no, hydrofoil. Not surfing, hydrofoil. We've made some very unsustainable plots today. And he made a lot of long ones today looks like I'd love to know it in a bond movie Stroke gained was in fourth round. He was first in stroke's game Yeah, I also want to make an announcement. I'm adding web to the treads down program He's like the can't lay program. He's one of the assassins. They sent a kill Jason born like every you know

Every month he gets the beeper call. He's like all the assassins they sent to kill Jason Born, like every, you know, every month, he gets the beeper call. He's like, all right, cool. Sorry, I gotta leave and go. I feel like webbing that shit up would be a great Ryder Cup parents. Yeah, the Tredstone boys. I have all the access to babysit.

He gets Patrick Reed and Bob everywhere he goes. I feel like I floated this very early on, but what are the chances of Kevin Ommick's a Ryder Cup team? I don't know. Well, good thing you got the expert right here. I feel like that's a reality we should consider. It is considered. I would say, again, remember,

whistling straights, probably not a Kevin Nop paradise, and only six qualifying spots. That's interesting. Not gonna make it on points unless he wins a major and probably a hard time. I love the six qualifying spots. It is, too.

Oh yeah, it's great. It's so happy. I wanna give a big shout out to Joaquin. Keen! I mean, T2. Yeah, he balled out and he made, he chipped in on 17. Down the hill, that was awesome. And then he made that 10 footer on 18.

It was like, and Brenn is still left to like a two feet short. The three, the three, what he hit on in round three, as well to that left pin. There's a three-wood or seven wood. He was, he was, he beat up that seven wood. Yeah, it was a seven wood. The one he hit out of the bunker to that left pin. There's a three-wood or seven wood. He was beat up that seven wood. Yeah, it was a seven wood. The one he had of the bunker today on 18th.

Yeah, nasty. I don't, by the way, I don't think Kevin Nal is gonna be in the top 15 of the Ryder Cup standings, even after the win, so probably not. But, sheesh, there's a lot of good US golfers. Shout out to leash. Shout out to leash. leash was finished 19 under,

really, really bad. I don't know. That was, that was tough. That was tough. But he played the par-fives in even par the first two days. Which is like five over. Yeah, so like if he does anything there, he wins by like three.

I mean, and then like he missed a very makeable putt I think start of the back nine today and I don't know. I feel like at least, at least just trending. He's been especially going to the West Coast swing. He was in a dark place four, five, six months ago, and he's back, baby. Should try to get an early, Riviera bet for Leech.

Shout out to Michael Kim, making the cut for the first time in two years. Had made a cut since I believe Safeway in 2018, is that right? Just can't miss guy coming on a college and- It's wild. Just like two, I can't over exaggerate this two full years of just missing every cut every every one of them or or it's a no cut event and you're

finishing almost last really really bleak and tried to look into kind of a little bit of what's been going on with him. It's hard to find too much information. A couple thoughts like maybe I don't know if he's kind of growing into like almost a different type of golf swing and figuring out how that works. And it's just, it's really, it's, those stories blow me away, man. That's a long two years in the wilderness of, I was, I always think about this every year at Sony where half the field, you're coming out of the holidays, you're building your schedule around like, okay, I need to literally fly to the middle of the ocean. To Hawaii, now I'm gonna play two practice rounds,

I'm gonna, man, I gotta do this, that, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's just gonna be a whole thing and then I miss the cut and I don't make any money. Like that's a big investment. Imagine doing that for two full years. It's crazy to think about what someone like that's been going through. I don't know if he would wanna ever come on the pod

to talk about that. I think it would be fascinating. Or if somebody could track him down right a little magazine piece or some sort of longer form thing on what that's been going on because that all credit to him for grinding it out. Man, that's awesome to see someone like that break through and actually make a cut.

Maybe the most forgotten podcast guest in No Leng Up History, Michael Kim. He's the one. DJ Regress here. No, no, to tell this story, you're right. Like we could use an update, but we went to the players in 2017. We didn't even have microphones, and we got set up with a room there,

and we had no idea who was walking in the door next, so you had no preparation. And you, oh, it's this guy. Okay, man, I just found the guys didn't walk in with name tags. So it was kind of like, we were doing this part time. I'm not going to say I knew every single player in the players field. They would just come in, like, we'd be recording

and doing a podcast. I remember talking to Michael Kimberl, playing the, the, um, how you played the Walker Cup, it, I think national. I don't know, I just remember talking to him about that for 10 minutes. He Possibly a podcast bump into winning the fifth major. That's right. Yeah, the John Deere Hedecki Matsuyama shot a 28 to make the cut

I had him in my bets this week to miss the cut. He was outside the cut line after 27 holes Then speaking of me did you take Brennan's deal? No. Who did it, to Randy? I don't know. That's one of us to bring him to make Miss. I was worried about that. Randy picking Russell Henley to miss the cut. It seemed really, really reckless.

It was a question. Speaking of cuts, Charles Howell. Wait, I want to get it in on a Hadecki here. There's a reason I bring this up because we have negative 3.8 strokes game putting this week. 68 out of 73 in the field. Are if I'm going to ask you with, that's with a 28.

Correct. Correct. Correct. So I'm going to ask you this, that's with a 28. Correct. Correct. So I'm gonna ask you guys. Where you probably made a couple of putts. Of the last 26 events that Hideki has played in. How many events, how many tournaments did he finish with a positive strokes game putting? Out of the last 26.

Out of the last 26. So last season and this season. Two. Six. And a couple of those are like, like this week is minus 3.8, like we're talking. Some of them are minus 10. Even when you watch him, his grip feels,

it just feels very uncomfortable. It feels so technical. Yeah, yeah, there's no touch there. It doesn't, you just seen his hands are like, one big mass on the putting on the grip. It's not good. Guys, I got a segue there. I don't wanna to do it.

I'm going to do it though. Colin Moore Kawa, I knew you were good. Good. Decent overall putting stats this week. Again, he has a shitload of seven and eight footers. I get it. The stats say one thing. Listen, he's not passing the TCI test. He missed a two foot 11 inch putt on 15 in the first round this week.

Anacdotal. This is anacdotal evidence. And I'm kind of here for a TC. He missed a two foot 11 inch putt on 15 in the first round this week. Anacdotal. This is anacdotal evidence. And I'm kind of here for a TC. That's not anacdotal at all. It's, he missed a two foot 11 inch putt. That's statistical. How was he doing on those foot here?

And had a three foot 11 inch putt coming back. How is he on three footers for the year? What is that? I don't know. Haven't looked. He's 100% coming into this week. Yeah. So early in this. But he's terrible from four feet and five feet this year. What did the stats say? I don't know. I haven't, haven't looked. He's 100% those numbers. 100% coming into this week. Yeah. So early in this. But he's terrible from, from four feet and five feet. This is right. I knew you were going to fall right in the trap. I knew it.

I knew it. I got all the stats ready. So I was digging into him the other night, because Will Knight is preparing a formal apology to me. So what do you think? He's got his own stat. What do you think he was like last year for the year? He's so, he's super streaky. On putts between three and five feet. Where do you think he ranks on tour? I don't know. I mean, I think like it's, it's, it's interesting.

It's a, he was 74th last year. Okay. Better than tour average. Okay. Difference between him and the guy in first is 12 missed putts from that range over the course of the season. Okay. Those could be big putts though.

Could be. What is he for the year on putting? This year for the year stroke's game putting? I'd have to look at that. He's like 230. It's not good total stats this year, but also from fall to this point is a complete crapshoot because there's no shot, there's always no shot

in tournaments. If the measurements are tough to tell. All I'll say is, he was, he must might be right. I'm here. He missed a couple shorties last week. And he's very streaky. Like so he goes through these really good streaks like PGA.

He was nails last year and it was great. And then last week he missed a couple shorties this week. He missed two pots of, he missed two about six footers coming down the stretch this week, finished three shots shy. Like it's like he should be in a playoff. A lot of people miss six footers. I don't know, I don't know what six footers are, I don't know what that's telling us.

I think, or positive strokes game putting and missing a couple of six footers. Your stats, obviously, don't lie, but he reminds me a little bit of what we were saying about Michelson a while back where it's like, that's a decky too. He hits it so, I can't miss all these short parts.

He misses it, like he just feels low. I just feel like I always see him missing those putts like well He just has a lot of them. Yeah, so like yeah the numbers work out where he just misses it looks like he There's a lot of other people who are hitting it to 40 feet Yeah, then lagging it to a foot and a half and making it yeah, he just rather have more Perry chances It's making up making a lot of some weird puts, like not blasted a couple by. How about the one on 17? It was wild.

He's also very direct with his golf ball. So stop. Like, hit say with a halt sign. I'm just glad we stopped the steal. That was... That was, you got me good with that. I mean, I'm in a steal. I can't do it.

Yeah, it's not my tempo. He seems. He's a death man, I can't do it. Everybody who's ever met him, says he's the the nicest guy on the PJ tour. It's just, it's tough to watch. It's a lot more naughty. Just wait, oh, dude, just a big shirt.

Can you explain the death belt? Just for some of you, might be a new listener. Great point, though. Just a big point. That's good looking at. Death panel is not literal. This is a proprietary system TC and I came in with years ago. Yeah, it's basically.

That still hasn't been enacted by the cowards that are running the game. Which we are overdue for another commissioner for a day pod. We got a long note pattern started on my phone. But it's basically like are you bringing stuff to the table or are you taking stuff off the table? And Cameron Tringale, for instance, he's been on tour for what like 10 years. He's never won He's not selling tickets. He's a super nice guy

But like you know like shit or get off the pot So the proposal is that we there would be a panel of people that could Convene and and basically tap these people on the show. Hey, you're out. Listen man. Like the objective, you're in, but like, you're not. It's sorry, you're out. I don't know what to tell you, you're out. Which just, and the panels changed a lot over the years as well. Just between calling it like the King of Spades

and the death panel just wanted to get the clear definition of what we meant to out there. King of clubs. King of clubs, I think. Neil, you have a peanut ball on it. He's definitely on the bogey bars. I'm joining the movement. Mollnotti stanks man.

He makes me a visceral feeling of like, man, fuck that guy. And you nailed it, you see. Brian from Chachki. From office space. Hey, can I get you some shrimp poppers, extreme fajitas? Hey, you see that? In another case of the Mondays.

Get a room. Get a room to do that. Yeah. And everybody's like, oh, Mollnotti's the nicest guy. Probably. He's so positive. No, you hear him in the interview. He's like, oh my, Monoddy's the nicest guy on the show. Probably. He's so positive. No, you hear him in the interview. He's like, oh man, you know,

that was like three over. And I was like, oh man, my game feels good. I just got to start putting better. The problem is I agree with everything you're saying, but it's like, man, would you rather have him just be like depressed and bummed out? That's probably not right. Like at least I think he's missing on the right side.

He's too comfy. He's missing on the high side, but I also agree with everything you say. It's too early in the tough part. It's like I haven't had my coffee yet. Yeah, he's like, well no, he's just, he's got that too comfy sitting there.

It's very what else is on, man. Like, I know. It's like, yo, man, you've all got it. It's like, you know what it's like, it's like Chandler from last night at the Atlantic Beach bar. Oh, God. We'll take that, we'll take that one offline, Chandler from last night at the Atlantic Beach bar beach. Oh, God. We'll take that. We'll take that one offline.

Tough service situation last night. It basically, the guy would come up to the table and like, instead of like ensuring we had silverware, like getting the basics, then you can talk all you want. We'll have all the conversations. You seem like a really nice guy. Like, I don't have silverware. That's a problem.

And just would say what could be said in 20 words, he would say in 400 and it would odd repeat every visit to the table. It was tough. We had a nice evening out though, but with that, you guys got some more stuff here. We got, I would just close. Come on, wrap it up, T.C. If anyone has any good solutions for potential death panel candidates, I think, Tron and I have in our commissioner for a day pot, I think we'd be taking nominations, is that right? I feel like Brando used to be on the panel, I think maybe he's off now.

We need to, at some point, I have in the notes to get to his article that we're gonna discuss his article. He finally put his thoughts in writing on the distance debated. T-T Didn't do a great job of it. We were gonna go break that down at some point whenever whenever one of these weak wrap-ups doesn't take take us this long.

Couple more things Keith Mitchell no more Nike. He looks so much better. Looks so much more natural now. He just should never have been a Nike guy. The visor fits him well. He does he has lived in his best visor life. Got what else we got? I was jar I was jar and see Russell Henley and not wear Nike wearing the title of Stadhat. That was Nike dad didn't feel that didn't feel right.

Nike kind of yeah, Nike might have enacted their own death panel with some guys. Yeah, we may need to get some best practices. Yeah, we do a lunch and learn with the team from Nike in response to JT's comments. Nike dropped it their entire tour staff. Respect for Mr. Paul, like HODVA. That's right. That was the best thing of last year. DL3 going fishing and then throwing up the graphic. That was sweet. Neiman and Sergio, they continue to be That was sweet. Neiman and Sergio, they continue to be mentor, mentee. We'll monitor that situation.

Very, very cool. They speak the same language. Yeah, and then back on the LPGA front, I think we've got a, we've got a young hitter announcement. Oh, that's right. This week, Madeline Sagsstrom is joining the squad. How about that? I didn't know we were done announcing that tonight.

Now I'm off on the other side. I didn't know if I just felt like it, you know? Welcome to the team, Madeline Saxiamet. We're gonna be on her bag this week at the Diamond Reserves. I believe so. Yeah, believe it, be on her bag and towel and look for her in upcoming content.

We did the Winter Park video with her last year and she's just awesome. So. That's a great, what a great way to wrap this up. If I may, go ahead and put a bow on this. So thank you boys for the time. Thank you everybody for tuning in and We'll be back with the interview pod coming out Tuesday night and then we'll be back to wrap up next week a lot of golf this coming week We'll back wrap it up next weekend. Just

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