No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 397: Farmers Recap

Episode Date: February 1, 2021

A content bonanza this week! Our longest recap pod ever attempts to unpack the incredible Patrick Reed drama, how CBS handled it, how the tour handled it, the Rory situation, CBS' season debut, and everything else from the Farmers Insurance. We also chat about DL3 as a Presidents Cup captain, the PGA Tour building, gambling in golf, unpacking the Jerry Foltz podcast, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think. CPS comes on the air. Patrick Reed hits a second shot on the 10th hole at Tori Pine South. Out of the bunker, he says he hits it kind of high and fat towards the left. We see it hook. We see it bounce. And as he is approaching his ball to, to, you know, identify it for his third shot, he asks the volunteer, did it bounce and she says, no, I did not see it bounce. I think it's important to note. She did not say no it didn't bounce,

which is a difference we'll get to. I think it's important to note that she's a volunteer who probably paid to be there. Thank you, John. Yeah, we can get there later too. Well, what's the equivalent of this and the NFL? Is it like a security guard? Hey, did he catch that ball in the end zone?

I know that's not your job to identify it, but what happened here? And that being part of an official ruling is like, yo, I didn catch that ball in the end zone? Like, I know that's not your job to identify it, but like, what happened here? And like that being part of an official ruling is, like, yo, I didn't sign up for this. What is second here? So Reed tells his playing partners, it didn't bounce, which is not what she told him, but anyways, I'm gonna check it.

He marks, there was some discrepancy on this. I think he marks it, it's unclear that he marks it, but it looks like he marks it. He kneels down in a way that he knows exactly where the camera is and puts his back to the camera and then kind of shimmies over it for 20 to 25 seconds as he's marking it. He marks it and picks it up,

messes kind of with little hole for a while again, shielding, as you mentioned, shielding the camera from the hole and then calls for a rules official. After already picking up the ball, the rules official comes. And having the ball in his hand for a good, like, 20 seconds. Yes. And there's a lot of distractions in this.

This was Braindell's biggest thing that he's holding in his palm. And if he ultimately determines that it's embedded, he could do whatever he wants with the ball. And he doesn't know at this point. Totally, but he made it a point after the fact to say, hey, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you know, I knew I couldn't clean it.

All right, well then, like get the hell out of your hand. Brando's point was like, when you do this, you lift it up with two fingers, you let everyone, especially a camera right behind you, not even considering the reputation that this person has to begin with, don't let it get to this point. Like, do not open this window.

We have every reason to doubt, every move you make, do not open this window. And have every reason to doubt every move you make, do not open this window. And so he picks it up, moves it over, then calls for a rules official. The rules official was, seems shocked that like the ball was already gone. He's like, what, where's your ball? He's like, oh, I already moved it. Then asks, you know, he's like, oh, I want you to determine if it, if it was embedded as if just feeling around in the ground was going to determine it. And the guy feels around, he's a kind of feeling here, he goes, well, how was you

going to identify it? That was a little key fun. The way that he says everything sort of matter. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, it's good. Brad Fable, former PGA tour player and rules, and PGA tour rules official, feels around there. It says, yeah, I feel it right or not. I apparently I would assume so. Okay. Feels around in there and says, yep, there's a lip there and entitles him to one club of relief.

CBS, honestly, all over it from the start. Go back and shows us a replay. The ball bounced clear and we're going to get to the Roy situation. You know, a lot of people are out there screaming. It was the exact same thing. I think there's some very important differences in that people unpack that. I know that there's people that think there's a double standard here.

We'll talk a little bit about that too. But very clear point, we see Readsball does not land at its own pitchmark. Do we all agree with that? It clearly even goes forward. There's a sign for you. Yeah, and there's no even debate on that. So, this is where a lot of the confusion comes in.

You don't have to notify your playing partners that you're gonna to lift it like all this stuff blah, blah, blah. It is totally legal for a player to believe his ball is embedded and lift it to see if it is, okay? In that scenario where you lift it and it's not embedded, you just replace it where it was and play it. We know this ball was not embedded because we saw it bounce and go forward unless it lands in someone else's pitch mark. And not only rewinding the fact that he before he even sees the ball before he even gets within 10 feet of the ball, his first question is did it bounce? Did you see it bounce? Did you see it bounce? Why does that matter unless you're

already looking for an embedded? Exactly. And we're going to also get to where he ends up with a great lie on this and how different this is from the Rory situation. This is also a side hill lie near a cart path where they would ostensibly drain really, really well. Yes, yes, right. So what happens here? Okay, again, he lifts it and then has determined that it was embedded. Now, I have no idea what evidence he could possibly have to support that that ball was embedded and all over it, Jimnance all over it, Nick Fowdo all over it and they blow all over it and can't attack it. What they literally just introduced him. He is a PGA tour rules official that is on the broadcast alongside CBS. So he still works for the tour. He just which will cover in the hands. And in my skipping ahead too quickly when I say that he handled

it perfect, Kentack it says that he handled the sequence perfectly. Well, didn't he initially say, you know, he may have sped through this a little bit or he he kind of like, I forget what his exact phrase was, but he kind of intimated. Yeah. He got out ahead of himself. Yeah, he may have gotten out of himself, but you know what, overall, he handled this perfectly. This was like the test case, you know, takes a, takes a club length drop, hits it onto the green and makes the par putt.

And it was a nails up and down. But it's a lot easier from a lot better lie. Where do we go next? Was this a, there's so many freaking takes. I think I, somebody pointed out that it tweeted 63 times about it, which I regret nothing, by the way. Uh, Well, walk us through.

How did it then start to blow up? I mean, was it, was it right away that folks saw the ball bounce and then, I want to go back to the, my own ball account. Because I would, Yeah. Well, I mean, I think everyone was kind of like, well, Was it right away that folks saw the ball bounce and then go back to the my end of ball count. Yeah, well, I mean, I think everyone was kind of like, well, wait a second here. Like, if you wanted to call a rules official, call it in before you go lift the ball. Every tournament I've ever played in, when I'm getting ready to, I lift a ball to identify it or lift it to, uh,

check to see if it's embedded. I want an eye witness there. I've, I remember this happened to me at the Florida of the last year. I was on the left rough, kind of sandy-ish area. The ball was clearly embedded, but I was like, guys, is this like through the green? And they're like, oh, that's 100% embedded. You act like you're guilty, and then you could like try to prove you're innocent.

Kind of thing, versus. I was acting like you're innocent. Yes. And all of the what we're talking about, you know, him asking about it, being that it bounced leading up into it, is like he's looking for this relief before we even get there.

And this should be, and I know Randy's gonna agree with this one. Like relief from something like this should be like last resort. It should be so freaking clear and obvious that this should not even be a discussion. Of course. The ball is supposed to be played. Why is the ball in your hand? Totally agree.

Like the ball should not be in your hand until like somebody tells you to pick it up. Now I know the rules don't literally say that, but isn't there a hurdle to clear there? So we don't have this conversation. And do you remember when Kutcher had the whole thing at Memorial in the fairway, where he was talking about like a secondary ball mark

in a wet fairway on that? I do. And it's like everybody laughed him off all the corners. Did they go through like two rules of physics? Yeah. Trying to get. Yeah. And so all the players that you talk to, all of them are like, yeah, man, like pretty much

everybody just like gets the rulings they want to get out here. Like I think that's part of the problem too, right? Is these guys expect to just get whatever ruling they ask for. So okay. So, okay. So keep walking me through the situation. It's, I mean, I think now we bring in Reed's whole history, right? Like, this is where his reputation

was just carousine on this situation. I haven't even touched on the fact that, and this is where I don't know what happened in this little pitch mark, okay? But he's messing around in that pitch mark. You lean, you can see the lean on it. He lean on it, while he's doing all this shit before the rules official gets there.

And, okay, again, this is a gray area, right? It's kind of a black box because we cannot see what he's actually leaning on. We cannot see the impression he's made there. But to your point, all of this reputation speaks to this, right? You can't, there's no possible chance you could have this much smoke following him and there not be fire in this.

Of course. So why, like, he should have no benefit of the doubt. I assume the worst when he does that. He's brought that on himself. All this shit about, like, you just hate read, and you know, that's why you can't see it. It's like, no, we hate him because he does shit like this. It's not for him to act like he doesn't have a history at all

or act like nobody would ever think that anything was a miss. Like that, that to me suggests that like the guys of fucking sociopath. So, so let me, let me push back and play devil's advocate. What do you say to the folks that, you know, this was essentially blessed by a PGA tour rules official? Well, I have a huge issue with the blessing of the PGA tour rules officials, especially them saying this is the perfect sequence, right? Because there's two things he could have done better, one, having somebody there to watch

him lift the ball up, or two, hey, hey, I know I'm in the lead of a PGA tour of it. I know the camera saw this ball land. Like, can we check the tape to see if that ball bounced? That's what kills me is, didn't the tour make a big deal of having video replay and kind of implementing that a year or two ago? Is that a thing? Are they can they do that? Yeah, they can do that. They can check stuff, but I don't know. So you would think you've got, you've got Ken Tackett, PGA Torre rules official, basically sitting in a studio watching all of this transpire, knowing that the, the, uh, fable, Brad Fable is headed out there, could have easily gotten

on a radio or figured something out and said, hey, dude, uh, ball bounced high, or, you know, ball clearly bounced. Okay. So just to clarify, the, the rules officials could initiate that. I don't know replay. Like a player couldn't be like, Hey man, I want to check the tape. Let's see if this bounced. I think they can really. I mean, weren't on the coochie ruling weren't they looking at the footage right there? I thought so. Yeah. I mean, it took like 10 minutes to sort through. Like that was they were not in a hurry. And I

don't want to hear any pace of play bullshit. Like their last group out there, right? He was in the last group on Saturday. He was, right? I think so. And they're playing slow shit. Yeah, you're not in any hurry other than to get this ruling done and over with without being under the microscope. There are parts of what he did that are okay and allowed.

You know what I mean? And that's where I think Tacke was all over to apologize for it and say like, you know, he informed his playing partners. He asked of it bounced. He checked to see if the ball was embedded, but the, the crux of everything is that it was not embedded. So when he picked it up and got relief, yeah, like there's that's where the problem is.

The only other thing I can think of would be like if the, if the, if the volunteer lady stepped on it. And yeah, which she did not or did not say that she did. Yeah, which I think, you know, maybe like, and I've heard that's happened in the past, when put in the, in the volunteer super embarrassed and all that, but you would think like leader of the golf tournament in a few other people around there, like they would have known if that would have happened. So two things. One, he was playing in the third to last group. Oh, just there. Yeah, so anyway.

Two, it's been my understanding that had CBS not captured his shot, and it's specifically his shot landing on video. This probably isn't a story at all, right? We just, it never would have gotten to this point. I mean, it looks a little bad that he didn't replace his ball after picking up to see if it was embedded, but we, as viewers, wouldn't have known for a fact that it wasn't embedded if we hadn't seen the video.

Correct. So I'm with you there. But now we have like, I would consider 99.99% indisputable evidence that the ball was not in a pitch mark. Like, beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes. Yes. Right? The spirit of the rule, like no freaking chance

that ball was embedded. That's what kills me. It's like, you know, attack it and all these tour rules officials want to just, just spew all this stuff about the letter, the letter of the law, the letter of the rules, all this stuff. Like, at some point,

where the fuck's the spirit of the rules? And a key point in this, like read calling for the rules, I honestly would have been better with it if Reed just like took the relief, but Reed picked it up and had to have seen that there was not much there. So let's just assume he didn't dig around in that pitch mark, which, listen, I'm not willing to assume that,

but let's assume he didn't, he needed someone else to come in and be like, yeah, yeah, that's embedded. That's a pitch mark whereas if it was obvious, he would know. He shouldn't need that part of the ruling. Does that make sense? This whole situation has me kind of second guessing myself.

Do I know what embedded means? Am I the crazy one here? I think that's a scary question. If that is embedded, then hundreds, if not thousands of more golf balls are going to be considered embedded. It's like a bad lie. Having a bad lie is considered embedded. And I've heard a bunch of people say this weekend that, you know, the rough so long out there and it's so thick and it's so wet and all that. And it's like, at some point, like, there's a clear differentiation between, like, where the ground is and where the grass starts.

So that's, that was my takeaway is, are these guys conflating essentially a mud ball, right? Maybe that ball pierces the earth on that first bounce, but obviously it doesn't stay in that initial pitch mark. It probably has mud on it, and then it comes to rest close by. Like that's a mud ball, right? Until your point, Tron, like, what am I missing here with the rules of golf? That's a mud ball.

Yeah. And then meanwhile, we tune into the Euro Tour each morning, and they've got these HD cameras capturing the lie of the golf ball for every guy. Well, okay, so I want to go back to what Ken Ticket says. He says in no uncertain turn, I don't have the direct quote, but he says that the official identified that the ball had actually embedded. And I'm screaming at the television, like the ball was picked up, like you can't

check a pitch mark. And that, like, so Brad Fable, when he walked up to the situation, he should have, you know, he's asked to rule on an embedded ball. He should have said, Patrick, I can't rule on this. You've picked up the ball. I don't know if it was embedded. I can't see the lie. There's no freaking way that I can, you can say that, hey, feel in this pitch mark. There's a lip there. And tell me if there's a lip there. So is that it? Should have been like Patrick, you need to place your ball as you found it. And then I can see if it's embedded or not.

I would be too late by that point. Like has the ball been out of the ground too long? I would have thought that would be the next logical thing. Maybe he can't do that. Maybe it's just like, yo Patrick, you're on your own here and like, you made your bed and whatever you say goes. And then we can second-gu guess it on the back end. But that's the issue here is I think these guys do what they want to do and then they bring

in a rules official to kind of bless it and basically take any of the risk or any of the, you know, downside away from them because as long as the rules official says it's okay on the spot, then they're free and clear. And it was masterful by read of like, well, I want you to make the call. Like, I've already picked up the ball, but I need you to make the call if this ball is embedded. Right.

Like, or like the fact that he didn't put the ball, I'm sure what? Yeah. Why is the ball sitting five feet away? The fact that he didn't put the ball back right there. Yeah. The fact that he left it over there five feet away. Like, to me, it's like, why?

Like what? He should have, when he picked that ball up, and if he was uncertain at that point, he should have just dropped it right back in his place and called a rules official and be like, I mean, I listen, I picked it up, but I put it back where I believe it to be, and I don't know if that's embedded, what do you think?

Then I don't think we'd be having this conversation. What? He was still gonna kind of drop it. At the end of the day, like all the shits are relevant because we know the fucking ball wasn't embedded, which is important. Like it's extremely important. And I know there's people out there screaming at their speakers saying like, he couldn't see the video. He didn't know that it bounced. That doesn't change it. The video is for us. The video is for the viewers so we can confidently

say the ball did not embed. Read is the only one that picked the ball up and knows whether it was embedded. We've seen it bounce. We know it's not. As soon as he picked it up, he knew it was not. That's the crux of the whole thing. There was no penalty in picking it up to see if it's embedded. He could have put it right back and played it.

We would not be having this conversation. And then after the fact, he gives the most word-solid answer. I mean, 90 seconds of just bullshit. It was literal bullshit. Like, we can hear the conversation. Perfect conversation. Yeah. Total exoneration. Well, again, we heard him ask if it bounced,

and we heard the ladies say, I didn't see it bounced. He immediately turns to his playing partners. She said it didn't bounce. Then in this post game, he's like, oh, there's seven of us there. All the playing partners, all the caddies, all agreed it didn't bounce. It's like, nobody didn't, nobody said that. No, no, that's not what happened. So yeah, he was playing with him Robbie Shelton and...

Will Gordon. Well, Gordon, both of whom are very young and relatively young door players who, you know, they're like trying to just hang on for dear life probably playing the weekend. But it was all out of their hands as soon as he picked the ball up. Like, they couldn't do anything. They couldn't see anything. So at this point, I want to talk a little bit about like CBS and Howard Handle, right? So Kent, I got one thought before we go there.

And the whole read situation and tying in his Pass behavior it made me think of a stat that's always stood out in my mind and Might be a bit of a Jack Reacher, but I think I think it applies and it was triggered by Monday Q info On Twitter so I'm about how many how many Monday qualifiers Patrick, some patch agree got through six Monday qualifiers and gain status from it I think it's impossible not to wonder if anything shady happened at those Mondays Where one stroke can mean in or out and what it made me think of instantly and I just heard it I don't know what like where but you know people who get picked up for drunk drunk driving Statistically like by the time you get picked up your first time for drunk driving, you've been drunk driving at least 80 times on average. And it just makes me think of like Patrick Green. By the time he gets like really nailed for that first cheating

infraction, the Bahamas, or yeah, you know, or like your cost is how many times has he actually skirted the rules here? And I think this was just another example of it. I would say there's a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, you know what, that's out of bounds. You need to use golf facts. So okay, this happens and Fowdo gets caught on a hot mic coming back from a break saying, guys, Patrick, and then there's just like silence after it. Like they're clearly talking about it in the window and they come back to it and Nancy like corners tack it and pins them down and like can you repeat that for me just to make sure? God, he seemed like he was trying to do that.

I'm like, yeah. I know, poor packet. Well, okay, yeah, I mean, they bring this on themselves. Like, if it's gonna stick out, stink, like, it's stunk to Nance. It's stunk to Fowdo, it's stunk to Noble-O. And then at this point, Ian Baker Finch is getting in on the fine. Like, everybody starts getting in on it. Like, yeah, I give him so much credit of saying,

like basically raising their hand and saying, yo, this is not right here. And CBS being the ones that lit the initial map. 100, this honestly, again, I don't want to bridge this into coverage gap, but felt like a new era of golf television coverage. One, one with how they covered it. And two, PGA tour, tweeting out all relevant videos

to this thing, and then just like opening up for discussion. Separate discussion, but like, that is progress. Well, I think Lance Barra would have gone to a farmer's exact interview. Like, he would have gone to three more commercial breaks. It would have been brutal. Can we get some dogs on the beach, please? Yeah, one thing, although there were a lot of scenics

at the beginning yesterday. One thing I do want to point out, and this is, I think it's more germane here than it is in the hamster damn coverage takes, is the difference between having a current PGA tour rules official, who is currently employed by the tour versus having a former PGA tour, or USGA or European tour, RNA or whomever rules official.

It's not any longer affiliated with the PGA tour is massive, I think, where Mike Pereira, Gene Starrator, those guys are not currently employed by the league. And oh, by the way, those leagues also are owners and the players don't own the league. So this guy essentially works for Patrick Reed. Yes, I think that's a great point.

I had not thought of that. And that's an excellent observation. And you're asking Ticket to kind of, you're putting him in a situation where he might have to badmouth. A boss is a colleague. Yeah, yeah. And then beyond that too, like this is no different than saying,

like all this stuff that we've talked about with slugger or with Marc Russell or like all this perfect gentleman stuff, the way that Marc, or that slugger handled it down in the Bahamas last year. You know, and basically went out of his way to, to say, almost like word for word, like man, he could not have handled this any better daughter out of the hot. It's like, what fucking plan are you living on? This is so perfect. It's, you know, dude on the backside gets beat on a back door

cut. You're on the opposite side of the defense, come running over under the basket, taking a charge inside the circle as you get dunked on. Like so unnecessary, just like try to fall in front of this. Slugged it it last year and they did it this year. I thought you made a great point of like, this is huge difference in the, I get current rules official versus a pass one. And I'm screaming from rooftop.

This is awesome because the tour is just like exposing the rest. Exactly. Of how their in-house rules officials handle this exact scenario. Well, and that's the thing with the tour too. It's like I made an analogy and maybe it was a Jack Reacher on Twitter earlier, but like about like the ratings agencies

back like pre-recession or back like in the financial crisis. Talking about language now. You know, it was like, you know, moody's and fintious and all those like they're they're they're getting paid by the very companies and institutions that they're rating their products. It's the same fucking concept here. God, you're making me hot and bothered. Can we just dive into that for like an hour? And then, and then, and then we're not even getting into all the PR stuff that the tour does to

ensure that like, at some point as a player on organization, what's best for one player can be really bad for the majority of the players and hurt the overall value or the overall, you know, group. And so I think that's something that kills me. It's like they've basically sacrificed so much credibility and goodwill on behalf of Patrick Leade. But like, if I'm anybody else on tour, I'm like, yo, what are you guys doing? Like there's 100 of us, there's 125 of us.

There's a couple hundred of us. Some quotes from guys that are not too thrilled about it. I wanna put a quick pause in this as I talk a little bit more. A lot of praise for CBS, we're gonna have this week. And this week on CBS, the 505 Super Bowl, did you guys know that this weekend? I did know that. 55 and a, this big

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It's weak and he was texting back at us and guys it's legal here and I'm just deep in it. Alright, so a couple of more things I want to get into as the round ends. So they did not let up off this. They kept falling up on it, kept calling in the question, mentioning his past transgressions, all this. And like they stayed on the air Saturday afternoon with a camera on him, with his sitting there on the phone,

waiting for him to get off the phone to like you're gonna come do this interview. Like we're waiting you're going to answer for this. I thought he was in the scoring trailer for a really long time. I thought at first, oh shit, something's going on in the scoring trailer like they're looking at it or something like that and realizing that no, he's just sitting there hanging out on his phone. Rules of officials apologizing for inconveniencing him and keeping him on there. So I wanted to who he's on the phone with. Who do you think he's on the phone with? Jay.

Oh, it was good to say. Oh, Jay, Justin. Yeah, I know. The real big Jay. 100%. The mega Jay. And then he comes on and says, the rules official said we did it absolutely perfectly.

And which is just like jumping off the page is either a lie or a total whitewashing. If the tour is going to come up to you and say, again, it's not absolutely perfect if there is an alternative option where somebody could have witnessed him pick that ball up. That is what's perfect. You know, a lot of people may, I got a couple of really good tweets. One from Sean Miller said, it just looks like the ball bounce because the camera angle, which is a great throwback to the Bahamas one. And then, and I Andy Hawks said, it was a perfect telephone call. How much did Kentack it probably not want to come back to the Bahamas one and then, uh, and I Andy Hawks said it was a perfect telephone call. Um, how much did Ken Tackett probably not want to come back to work

this day? I'm gonna say the tour is gonna put an end to this. Probably pretty quickly. How much extra are they paying him? Uh, then Ken Tackett comes back on again at the end. We're fine with the outcome of the situation. Um, and yeah, I would say it's safe to say that was not the reaction to general public. At some point too, shouldn't Patrick Reed, shouldn't P have his own rules official that's just with his group at all times? I would have to think so.

A babysitter. A personal concierge, a personal rules butler. So then yeah, Reed goes on golf channel, exaggerates the rules officials words, which we all heard the rules officials words like, you know, in the conversation then he just like reads it back to us that was not the words at all exaggerated like Patrick, you were absolutely right in the situation. blah blah blah. It's John Carter tweets at some point you have to accept the guys just a complete sociopath and just tip your hat. This is 900 level graduate class PhD that we're looking at. Lou Brown tweeted probably a good time for team read

to reflect on why the 11th ranked player in the world is busy buying his golf clothes at Dick's sporting goods. Rich Lerner, Brandal hypes it up on Twitter. They're getting ready to talk about it on golf channel. Well, Brandel is rare in the go man. Yes. And Rich Lerner, I have some sympathy for this. I think he's trying to incite conversation here. I don't think this is necessarily his stance, but he said, if this

Adam Scott or Roy McElroy would the world be outraged. And I just tweeted this, like, yo, these guys don't do that. They don't put themselves in these scenarios. That's why we don't get outraged. Ironicly. I wrote it. I wrote it. Rory did, and I'll break down why I think it is different.

But at the same, it was more similar than it was different, I think. But Rich also referenced the Peter Costas podcast, but didn't. It was a podcast. It was a podcast. But again, they're trying to have a discussion here and answer the question. Like, are we just getting ramped up because it's read? And I think it's a fair question. So I'll ask that. Are we just ramped up because it's read? Yes, that's a huge large part of it. But is it warranted? Yes. That's what that's my argument. Given his like fool me once,

shame on you. Yeah. For me twice, shame on on me fool me like 15 times shame on the fucking tour. Yeah. Yeah. There's the quote for the pod right there. Yeah. It's like I said, it's not like it's not there's a reason the world gets outraged when it's read is because he this is a constant thing. He's a habitual line step. And going back to Bahamas, he never shows contrition. Like there's never been, he's never really shown any, even acknowledgement, acknowledgement, yeah, contrition, I guess, is the best word for this stuff. So it's just like people wanna see him,

like they wanna see him get got a little bit by this rule stuff. And that's why I was so pissed during the president's cup, every old Melbourne, when JTU was kind of joking with him in the bunker, like, oh, was this how you do it? And it's like, no, like don't joke or, like don't normalize this, because you're making it more comfortable for him, right?

You're kind of taking the, the, the sting off of it and, and bring it out in the open instead of having it be his personal shamed to bear. Yeah, and JT answered the I asked about that on the podcast and he answered it as and I remember walking away being like God He had it just sucks like be put in that scenario of like a teammate. Yeah, you got to be your teammate the next week when this is all coming under fire And like what am I supposed to do like throw them under the button a team event now is this the week that I throw them under the bus Kyle Porter had a great tweet on Saturday night says it sucks to constantly skirt the spirit of the rules this happens every six that this happens every six months It's not coincidental or because there are a lot of cameras is because you always see how much you can get away with which is the opposite of what golf is supposed to be because you always see how much you can get away with, which is the opposite of what golf is supposed to be.

Like, we're on the so far on the end of the spectrum of like, what is expected out of a golfer, especially a professional golfer, especially one play on TV in front of millions of fans, or maybe less than millions of fans with the way the TV ratings are trending for the PGA tour, that is the exact opposite of how this is all supposed to go. And to have the tour just like commended is what,

you know, always blows my mind. And then not only that, like if another player, if one of his playing competitors says something, he gets a fine for conduct on becoming and gets penalized when Reed didn't get penalized for blatantly cheating. Right. And so they can't say anything on it. And yeah, he had some comments just like,

that's why you always call rules official because in the end of the day, they're gonna have the best judgment over everybody if they believe that it's embedded as well and that's what you go by what they say. It's like, yo, they didn't get to see if it was embedded. You picked it up. He's laundering it.

He's moved on to laundering it through the rules of officials. Are we ready? Do we do burner? Next, what happened? I think we got a shaman burner. I think we gotta go shaman burner. Okay.

You wanna break this down for us? What happens? Yeah, long suspected. Yeah, I mean, this is like the worst secreting golf. Of course, secreting golf, but, you know, and actually lately, I've been seeing eye to eye on a few things with, I'm not sure, I'm not sure if it's justine or the entire family,

the entire Korean family, but basically at use golf facts, it's the Twitter account, and saying out landish like facts capitalized, pro-read stuff for a while now, for a couple years now, and has a real big bone to pick with JT, actually, in the past. But all sorts of crazy conspiracies, going back to them setting up the whole locations each Saturday or Sunday, that there's an ordinent amount of right handed whole locations because Reed hits a draw. When Reed's in the mix, they'll be like, yeah.

And then that his scores and his name is slow to update on the BGA tour app. And I said, I think that's just him. But I think that's just everybody because it's a shitty app. But yeah, so she ends up, or whomever is behind that account. It's somebody on team read, it's proven

because they end up tweeting something 25 you know, 25 times about, you know, just what about Rory? What about Rory? What about Rory? All caps, you know, to basically anybody who's talking about this on Twitter and then forget to change the account and tweeted it from Patrick Reed's official Twitter account. So the message is all caps, all caps. Rory McElroy, at McElroy, Rory, did the same thing today on Whole 18. Picked up his ball, cleaned it and everything, and didn't even call a rules official over to deem the ball embedded end of story. Which let's just stop praising Reed

for calling in a rules official here. He gets no credit for that because he did it after he picked the ball up, okay? So he needs to stop patting himself on the back. A lot of things needs to do, but one of them, stop patting on yourself on the back calling intervals official here that he gets no credit for that because he did it after he picked the ball up. Okay. So he needs to stop patting himself on the back. A lot of things needs to do, but one of them, stop patting on yourself on the back for calling the rules official. I would have respected him more for not calling him 100% 100%.

So then it like the shocking part, this tweet is still up as far as I know, right? It was up. I'm locked, but I had to go in three. You're locked from P-read. I don't know how I'm locked for a while. For P-read. but that's up there. So I just wanted to question today was like, how does the golf coverage ignore that?

There's a tweet on Patrick Reid's official account calling out Rory for this exact thing. How do they just know that it's a burner and don't say anything about it? Golf Channel talked about it, Shane Bacon and Damon Hack were all over it, showing the tweet up on the air there. But it was just like Saturday was the,

I can't remember a more like sweat-inducing content day than that one. I've never been so hyped watching golf at all. I did go get dinner by myself last night to calm down. Couple good ones, John Bailey tweeted, seen it, covered it up, we are farmers, fuck it up, bup, bup, bup, bup, b We are farmer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then farmers should adjust their motto for the weekend too.

He knows a thing or two because he's done a thing or two. And then, yeah, I also tweeted this out late Saturday night. I was like, maybe the most astonishing part is that the tour says the perfect sequence of events is to remove the ball from the pitch mark, have an official come in and feel around the pitch mark to determine if it's embedded. I can't get over that logic. What'd you say?

So, important to know here, and correct me if I'm wrong, Saturday night as this burner account and Patrick Reed as their yelling that Rory did the same thing. Nobody had seen any video evidence of the shot in question. Is that correct? Or had people seen the situation with Rory on camera? I don't prior to. I went back and forth with Todd Lewis today asking him the same thing because I said, hey, like, why does Todd Lewis keep bringing this up when none of us, nobody's seen this video. If this video exists, then then let's see it. Tweet it out, right? Get it out there.

And they finally, you know, get it up there around what noon or 1 p.m. today. And yeah, I mean, sure enough, the ball bounces and everything like that. But why did that video take 14 hours to surface, or 16 hours to surface? Right, because I think where the confusion gets in there again is like,

hey, like, Rory didn't even call a rules official for his. Like, that's where, you know, his was wrong and Patrick's was right. And it's like, no, one, a rules official is not required here. Like, you do not have to have a rules official involved in here. And that's not what we're talking about. And at some point, they probably should change that rule. Like, the USGS should change that rule back to like, yo, if you're going to touch your ball that's in play and it's not on the green

and it's not a lift clean and place thing which is a several issue this week, then like. Somebody's gonna see it. Somebody's gotta be there. You're playing partner or whomever, you know, rules official, you know, tournament official. Yeah. So, do we wanna get into the, into the Rory stuff now?

Is that make sense or do we have anything else we wanna unpack from the end? No, I wanna get in the Rory thing. Okay. What's your, all right. So the Rory video surfaces, it's his second shot on the 18th hole on Saturday. He's way out of position,

is trying to hit it, you know, back into the fairway. It misses in the right rough. We see footage of a ball bounce up in the air and then sink right into the rough. We, I don't want, there's uncertainty on where it lands. I will not say that you, it very clearly. There's not as much clarity as on the re-shot that it clearly pitched forward. And I will not say that because of the camera angle.

Yes. And I will not say, I'm not going to say, it looks like it lands in its own pitchmark. Because I can't determine it. I was going to say, I'm not saying that because of the camera angle. Yes, and I will say, I'm not gonna say, it looks like it lands in its own pitchmark. Cause I can't determine it. I was gonna say, I'm not comfortable with that. I had trouble seeing the ball, like I had to look on my phone four or five times and watch it four or five times. I saw it, but it bounced up clearly,

but it is, I would say it's impossible to determine either way. My first reaction when I saw the Rory video was, you're right, this is the exact same thing. Minus Rory doesn't have this huge history of being a scumbag. Mm-hmm. So that's what's so funny. Rory's got, you know, he's had,

and I'm not sure if this is just performance hard on Rory's part or what, but he's got history of saying, hey, that lie is too good. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, as a BGA, it was last year, I think it was last year. He got a relief for something in the lies. That is not the lie that I had,

you know, I'm trying to recreate it. That's too good of a lie. I need a worse lie. So that's a really long con to try to, you know, do that, to get that out there to then to pull this and get this short at this point. Which again makes me go back to, what are these guys seeing?

What, what, these guys seeing? What either coincidence of coincidence, they both land in a pitch mark, their own pitch mark, they're actually embedded, you know, what a wild, confluence of events that, you know, it just looks very different to all the viewers. Or they're seeing something that just simply isn't, like it's not embedded. Just they're really shitty online. So I got a quote, got a comment, official comment

from Rory on the issue. So I was waiting for him to get interview. I was hoping CBS would interview him today. Just, you know, what's your reaction? After seeing the ball bounce on video, what's your reaction? He says, this is via text. So my ball landed close to three volunteers in right rough of 18. None of them saw it, but they heard it. It took us about 90 seconds to find it. It was really

deep in there. So I called over to Sabatini that I was going to check if it was plugged. Put my tea in the ground, took the ball out in head, broken the surface and there was mud on the ball, said to Sabatini, it was plugged and took relief. There was no question. It was plugged slash embedded. That's why I never called a rules official. I've obviously seen the video of it bounce, but I'm convinced it was in its original pitchmark. So this is where, you know, I, Rory, for all intents and purposes, seems like the most upstanding dude you could possibly find on the tour, right? One of them.

Is it a casual water spot that I just, that ball either somehow came back and it's, in its original pitch mark, or it's like such wet ground there that it has broken the earth. I don't know. Optics aren't great. So if it does come back in the Surgeon Pitchmark, which we've proven that reads, it could have not, it could not have done this. Yes.

Where if Roy's did that and the... Even Reed didn't try to lie about that. So that's nowhere, then. And the rough is, you know, that was the funny thing about Reed's thing. He went out of his way to say like, well, yeah, I mean, like if it... Oh yeah, forget about that.

He literally cannot embed if it bounced. If it bounced, then like, it's impossible. It can't have been. All right, well, shut you said it. That was not incriminating. But yeah, I mean, maybe, like, if it bounces and then bounces almost straight up, it's like, there's so much high rough around it,

maybe it funnels it down into, you know, the same spot, or, you know. It was a lower area. And again, this is sounds like I'm white nighting for Rory. I don't know. I mean, Randy signed Rory's death certificate. Yeah. So like he has no skin in the game. He's not, that's not a dog in this fight.

It doesn't, I don't know. Have these guys just, are they so pampered? They don't know what a truly bad lie is. It's a good question. I think they had lift cleaning place first three days of the tournament. They had preemptive lift cleaning place on Thursday. They had to do that though because of the two courses, right?

Because. I get it, I get it, and then they did it on Saturday. They did on Saturday after the hail storm and all the rain they got Friday. So I don't mind the lift clean place, knew as much. But you hate the rain. I hate mudballs.

Mudballs. So you do hate the rubber degree. I do. So the worry thing, if it didn't land in its original pitch mark, we have a problem here, right? Agreed. Unless that area is just so wet, but then I feel like it's more casual water, right? Then like embedded ball.

I feel like we got to get the vocabulary correct. And here's where the benefit of the doubt plays in, right? If Rory goes into that lie, picks it up, and determines it wasn't embedded, I think he puts that ball back. Do I have anything to support that? No, I don't, but there's past instances where he's done something similar. Well, we're always held.

He's 31. So what supports that is the fact that in 21 years, or over 10 years is perfect. 19 years, as a top class player, that I don't think we've ever seen him wrapped up in anything rules related. Right. Like, all right, cool.

Like everybody gets a benefit of the time on the first time, right? I mean, even Kat had more than one occurrence where it was very questionable judgements on his part. Kat's aggressive in these scenarios, you know, to rules officials and things like that. And guys like Casey Woodenberg. That's, yeah, different scenario, of course, but yes.

Yeah, when I saw the ball bounce, my jaw dropped, I was like, oh man, this is about to hit. Like the greatest area just got so much grayer and it made it, it's like a speed outfit. Yeah, so gray. Peak speed outfit, the mega gray area of, let me ask you guys this,

when the Rory Ball bounce, we're 45 minutes in, this is amazing. When Rory Ball Bounced, did it change the way you look, like your reaction to it, did it make you rethink the read thing at all? Because I went through the whole exercise and like, all right, am I off on the read thing? It did not make me rethink the read thing. It made me wonder what the hell was up with Rory, if that makes sense. Like I still think what happened with Reed was very mutual, not good.

The Rory, it didn't look good to me. I don't know how else to say it, except I inherently trust him more. Does it help that he says, his official comment is like, like completely convinced that it was embedded? Does that help at all? Cause Reed was not completely convinced, right? Yeah. No, that helps.

That's a good point. I mean, and I think that's at the end of the day and go, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that some of it engulfed where it's, you know, it's your judgment, right? And if you're unsure, that's where you bring in a playing competitor or a rules official. Yes.

I don't, you know. But the fact that Roy wasn't, was not even bringing it, had no doubt in the scenario. Like, I, it's just not, it's not like the event to do it, the time to do it, like to time to pull one.

I just don't see if he's had no instances in the past. I don't see this as like any reason in this scenario that this would be different. Yeah, it's weird to me that, like it sounds weird to say, I don't feel like Rory cares enough to. I've got to come with you there. For hate.

I'm totally with you there. Like he's posting, not posting through these, but like, It's great pointing. Like he, this is not, I don't know. And like he, I think he cares in the majors or he cares when he's in the thick of it, but like Rory hit so many loose shots this week and so many bad wedges.

And like, I don't think Rory was in like, you know, oh shit, like life or death, you know, I'm gonna, like, I gotta get this up and down or else, or else, you know, he's like, it's another thing. I'm like, for birdies on the next four holes. This is a good one. I don't know. Who can say it's a good trick?

It's true who could say. So I went back and looked. No other balls went left of the cart path where Reed hit it. So on that day, so it could not have been another player's pitch mark, which would have been a true one and a billion. There were two other balls. And and just for anybody who's not aware, correct me if I'm wrong.

If you're ball lands in another player's previous pitchmark, that is not correct. You don't need for you. Yeah. According to Martin Pillar, who's to our player who chimed in on this as well. Uh, now, now you can, if you hit a ball and it ends up in another player's pitchmark and you don't know it's another players, you can assume that it's embedded. And if that happened to read, I'd be, like, and if, you know, if it ended in a different player's pitchmark, it was clearly embedded and he took relief, I'd be like, dude, you

know what? Like that, there's no balance. There's no mountain tent there. Like that's a different thing. I'm not saying reads, you know, we never saw Roy's lie. We don't know. Like, that's the thing is, you know, I don't know. I feel like what, yeah. So then going, I mean, I think, I think it's interesting too, when they had tack it back on to like the whole CBS open today was, you

know, we can, we can, I think that was the time. I think we can dissect that. But fast forwarding through other stuff that we're going to complain about. And they basically they all, they gave everybody, Doddy, Frank, Ian, Nick, Sir Nick, Sir Nick, sorry, all of them, they gave them, you know, the entire like 15 minute open to, to say their piece. And every single one of them was like, this is bullshit. Can I say one thing, lastly on Rory? For reads specifically, or read, it was read mostly. It was mostly read.

It was mostly read. I will say this, and this is unfounded. I was half expecting, when I saw the video of the bounce, I was half expecting Rory to come out and then withdraw, honestly. If he sees that video, now he's like, well, damn it, man. The ball bounced and I signed it. I took relief and I shouldn't have. Like, you know what, now that I think back on it, like, I don't know.

I don't know if that was, you know, embedded. I think, honestly, I think he would do that. I don't need this paycheck. Yeah, I don't care enough about this. Is that sound, is that like, reasonable? I know it's projecting, but. It's not, it's not unreasonable. Let me put it that way.

Okay. But it's not outside the realm of possibility. The fact that we're saying that, like even considering that Rory would do that, I'm like, if you ask ourselves the same question about Reed, it's like, fuck no, we don't do that. Oh my god.

But it was like, they got Ken Tackett back on and it was like everybody got it turned and hit it the pinata. I mean, they were, I called it the worst episode of around the horn I've ever seen, because they just like kept bringing in another analyst to say the same thing and another way.

You could tell how pissed they all were, but there was no, and I tweeted something in this vein with the Rodney Danger Field Caddyshack. Like there was this lingering like, okay, everybody's pissed, everybody thinks it wasn't proper. Now what? And everybody's more pissed because there's no requiem.

And that's the whole thing. It was like, you know, the Rodney Dangerfield. So what? So it's dance. It's like, yeah, nothing's gonna happen. Just lay breaking news here, Lanto Griffin comments after the round. He was asked and just your overall thoughts on that.

Lantogriffin says, I mean, it's tough. Golf's a game of sportsmanship and it's tough to put us in the spot to call him out because we weren't there. But at the end of the day, I think 99% of the golfers out here, if it's in question one way or the other, they're going to go the other way, not taking a drop, it didn't cross that type of deal.

So it's tough to see. It's sad, kind of pisses us off, but it's the way it is. Hopefully something changes and comes to a conclusion. I'll also mention Launzeaux is like best friends with VJ who doesn't have the squeaky. That's squeaky. Not relevant to this conversation. And did you see the shoes that he was wearing on the conversation?

Again, not relevant to the conversation. Again, not relevant to the conversation again not relevant to the conversation I'm looking for players to speak up on the ander. Let's talk about zanders com zanders comments You know did you have a chance? Who's asked? Did you have a chance to see what happened with Patrick read yesterday? And he said no, I didn't search for the videos. I've just heard talk amongst the boys out here Come on. Come on. You really didn't search for the videos, Zander You expect me to believe that have you ever ran into a situation like that on the golf course, and Xander says, I would not put myself

and create a situation like that. That's kind of, I wouldn't. If my ball is embedded, I usually will wait and call someone and kind of wait until everyone's on the same page wait to look at video. So I try to avoid situations like that just for that reason. Question.

Just to be clear, you wouldn't have picked the ball up, Zander. No, I would wait for an official. You can put a T in the ground and check your ball. I mean, he did everything by the book according to the official and everyone stood there. Obviously, the talk amongst the boys isn't great, I guess, but he's protected by the tour and that's all that matters, I guess.

First of all, the boys is kind of fun. The boys. Me and the boys. I mean, we can talk about the read stuff specifically and protected by the tour, but isn't that a shot at what Rory did though, as well, picking the ball up without, you know, without anybody conferring or I guess in Rory's instance, it's like, yo, this is so obvious to me that, you know. Again, yeah, I think that the middle ground of like needing an official to determine, help you determine if it's embedded

is where the judgment gets shady, but if like you're totally convinced that it is embedded, I think is a totally different scenario. I'm with you there that if I'm putting, again, if I'm putting my hands on the ball, I want another somebody there to wait and say, I want to play a playing competitor. At least, like, hey, man, you might come in over here. I mean, you know, this is what I'm seeing, but I want to make sure that, yes, you do that. You do that. You're sick. You're sick. It's good, but that's what I,

like, we play through tougher, like I'm starting to run to your earlier point, like, re-question, I've played some shots where I'm like, God, could I have gotten a relief for that? Or am I just unnecessarily playing these crap lies? I mean, to be fair, you refuse to roll the ball when it's lift clean and pull. So I think you may be an outlier in this situation.

Do you think the tours protecting Reed? Hell yeah. For sure. I mean, I think they reach the conclusion so quickly. Like that's what bothered me about it. Like they didn't take the time to like look at the footage, review it, think about it, and like think about, hey man, it wasn't embedded.

So how did they, how did they do the perfect sequence? How was that perfect? Why even say it? Why do you need to say that? If he did do something wrong, you're not gonna, like, you know, outside of, let's say you followed the letter of the law, but you know what man? This is just one too many shady instances

to happen with you. We gotta do something. We're not gonna hear about any of that. And it goes back to the same shit we were talking about with JT or with cat. Like, there's a certain standard here that's being missed to where when people don't feel like there's any justice for anything or any resolution

for anything, then people try to take that into their own hands and they try to enact their own punishment. That's why people are fired up about it, man. They're just seen it too many times where nothing ends up happening. And it's like, so by the technical of technical technologies, like, is there a rule violation here? I think probably the answer is no.

Like by the most technical, you could concoct a version of it that technically he's within the rules by all of this, right? And that's where it comes in. That's where the problem comes in. And that's where it comes back to, like, yo, are we playing golf? Are we playing like NFL football here?

You know, and are we talking about a holding call in NFL football? We're talking about, you know, something that's kind of more in the spirit of the game golf. Yeah. So I always compare it, the one that sticks out, you're talking about the PJ tour one, if there's any disciplinary action,

like it's not announced, you know, Simon Dyson in 2013. He's sick. He's still in prison for that, isn't he? Yeah, he and Luke is Herbert. He, he, he, he padded down a spike mark in his putting line on the green, which is now legal. Ironically is now completely legal. And the Euro tour came out and announced a two-month ban suspended him for 18 months and imposed a 30,000 pound fine. And it's like, if, if the PGA tour

is serious about removing this image of protecting Patrick Reed. Or anybody, right? But I obviously, you know, we're talking about Reed today. They need to be upfront about this stuff. And to your point, like it's just the fans, that there's like this, there's this yearning for this blood thirst for fans. Oh, and they've, and they've, that's been build up and it's because the tour won't,

publicly go after any of these guys. They've pissed they've been build up and it's because the tour won't publicly go after any of these guys. They've pissed away so much goodwill and credibility just being, like, there's always just palace intrigue with the tour, right? And we'll get to the gambling stuff in a bit because I think it ties into that too. If you don't feel like the field is being protective or it's a level playing field, then like how are you setting up live odds markets then, right? I got more than one DM like, hey, like really appreciate like your draft King's code. I signed up with them, you know,

I've been playing their daily fantasy fools. I'm not gonna do that on the PGA tour anymore because like I don't really understand how this sport is policed in. Yeah, what have you had $5,000 on a, we'll Patrick Reed get up and down on the 10th hole and you would put $5,000 on a, we'll Patrick Reed get up and down on the 10th hole and you would put $5,000 on no. And then you see this decision

where he gets such a favorable lie into this great, such a favorable drop into this great lie gets up and down. And then it's like, oh cool, there's $5,000 out of my pocket. And also like a huge problem. What if you had, what if you had, you know, Carlos Ortiz as the leader after the third round.

And like he would have been so leader without that up and down. I thought Jaime Diaz made a great point, just kind of cleaned up and he would last made thoughts. I make crushed it. He said, you know, by picking up his ball, I'm paraphrasing, read, put the official in the difficult spot of either penalizing read,

being like, no, you don't get relief, which I didn't quite understand what he meant by penalizing him, because you could have put the ball back, I think, in theory. Or going along with the lip theory that read put in his head and Fable chose the easy route, like he wasn't gonna confront Reed, because Reed has already put this in his mind, so.

That's where I'm at, like Fable should not have put his finger in there and like, you felt around and like given his blessing on that, you should've been like, yeah, I got no way. I got nothing to support this man, I got. It's also weird too that, like, you might have I stick my finger in there. Well, yeah, I'll show you about it.

It's also weird that Fable is, like, you're going into, you know, and I guess you could say the same thing about like Billy Mayfair in the early 90s, but like, you're going into like the guy most notorious in the tour for doing this shit. Like you need to be rolling up to that situation with fucking blinders on saying, all right,

like what's the deal here, man? Like get your microscope out because now is my chance to protect the field and make sure that this guy's not pulling a fast one on me. And it's like two questions. Oh, no, looks good to me. Yeah, you're good. Yeah, I feel lip there. Shout to Rich Lerner going to the golf central tonight. He said, Patrick Reed now ties Bobby Jones with nine official PGA tour wins. And that's where the comparison stopped as how he started the show. It's like, damn. Should we just go to the talk?

How about Patrick Reed through all of this? Going out and winning by five shots today. Overcoming adversity. Did you guys notice Nance didn't say a pee back to that putt went in? I like that had to have been just, the producer had to have been just imprinting that on those people.

Do not mention adversity. Do not mention it. No, he didn't say anything. He didn't like, when Reed makes the plus, he had to win. Yeah. First of all, when Reed makes the plus, they win. Yeah. Like he, first of all, Ian Baker finished said adversity on the seventh tone.

He did, he did. He always did. Yeah. And he couldn't help himself. Cause that's what I was, I was, I, dang it, I miss that. Cause that's what I was listening for. Like them be like, you know,

oh god, he's overcome so much adversity this week. Oh, he did it, he definitely did it. But when the putt fell, every single tournament I've ever, I could ever think of. And maybe I'm wrong, but in maybe I was looking for it, you know, it's like, oh, Michael Thompson, wins the 3M blah, blah, blah. And this was just like literal dead silence.

Like nothing, nothing was said, but like did not say anything to commemorate it or anything like that when putt fell. That's like, Nancy taking a, nance taken at knee. That's the equivalent of nance taken at knee right there, you know. Which again, those guys, like, nances face when he was asking, tack it, the questions too, which is kind of like, I was in a nance interrogation by, by nance standards.

And read feeds off this shit though. Oh, yes. The most fascinating part of it all. Like, we, these points, we talk about of it all. Like, we see his point. Just talk about dogs and killers. Like, he's both of those things. And like, he's not only a dog, like, he's a fucking pipple. He's a junkyard dog.

And he's not only a killer. Like, he's a serial killer. Yeah. And I'll say this, too. We've talked about everything that's wrong. And I love it. He brings an element to the game of golf that purely from a fans perspective, so much more interesting.

A million percent. A million. But the only people that don't seem to realize that are the people of the PGA tour. Yes, but like this felt a little different. Like they seem to steer into this. Like this, my whole thing is like, man man if you're making headlines on ESPN.com Like that your sport is relevant all right, and this was on I don't know if it was on that has to do with the TV

I'm just too, but which a good move by the tour like they should be involved with ESPN So that's the you know, that's yes So this was there was articles about this this was everyone was articles about this. This was everyone was talking about this. I saw PFT commenter weighing in, Spencer Hall was weighing in on it. Like all of the greatest hits of the best Twitter people were like in on this. And that is how golf needs to be, like 100%.

So again, I commend them on like, all right, now we're, maybe they're not gonna steer away from this stuff nearly as much anymore. Like you guys argue about it. Like we're gonna, well, maybe we'll even take a controversial stance on this. So you guys can argue about it and do your first take thing and just debate it on the radio shows and all that

and guess what, we're creating buzz. And I'm here for that. I'm here for all of that. Guys, important, important breaking news at this moment of God. Instagram. Kessler, his catty, Kessler, Karein, Karein. Karein, Karein.

Karein, T.C. and his golf partner. He's posted a picture of himself holding, I assume the pin flag from the 18th green, he's standing on the 18th green, let me read the caption for you. Quote, this one is to all you haters out there. Go get you a gallon of hatred, you gun need it. So proud of my bro p. Re golf hashtag clutch

Just a lot of other stupid hashtags hashtag G4 There is a hashtag there is a hashtag America in there too, which these these guys are patriots How about reads yeah reads website literally calls him a patriot Texan patriot Fesha was all for which in that order Which I had to go look up the actual definition of patriot just to see if I got something fun out of it. And of course it is. A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. Going back to your conservative self-a-hater? Not really. I mean, I'm just kind of an innocent bystander who just happens to be

They would consider all of us haters No, well like I've talked so much shit about Patrick Reed for the last eight plus years We show up to Jack's Beach Well, you know two year ago. It was last player's last year and playing with a year ago. It was last year. Pladers last year. Yeah. And playing with Joe, Maxis Cady, and he's like, yo, somebody else is joining us.

And it's Kessler. And I'm like, hey, man, what's up? I'm trying. And like, yeah. And then like, it just, it was just like, off to the race after that. And I texted, saw it, I was like, yo, I'm playing with Kessler, crane dog. I was on the other side of the course. I was like, I'm coming over.

We're going to talk about this. Yeah. But like, he was, you know, he was just like, he was harmless. Sure, yeah. But I think going back to Reed, like it's just a matter of like, it's amazing how much he feeds off of this stuff. So we're like, when he feels like he's backed into a corner,

that's when he said, it's best. This would make some people uncomfortable and it does not make him uncomfortable. I mean, what was the stat from, from either this week or today today of like how many strokes he gained around and on the greens? Like he didn't. Stroke's gained with relief.

Like no, like he didn't, he didn't, he didn't play that well, you know, basically teed a green. It was just, it was like the grittiest. He led the field and strokes gained around the green, gained almost four shots. It's just so greasy. He gained four eight and a half shots between his putting and around the green and strokes gained around the green, gained almost four shots. Just so greasy. He gained eight and a half shots between his putting and around the green and just three rounds.

So. Like that up and down where he, like on, he was on 10 today. He flew the green. Oh, yeah. And I mean, he is buried back there and everybody's like watching it with the camera. He was super.

Yeah. And he hits like the nastiest little dead hand, you know, chunk out of there and it's, you know, a foot. It was, it was, and clutch pots. 15, just like, you know, from 49 yards, hit it to two feet for a tap and par after being behind a tree, like it's, I mean, that's the whole thing. It's like, there's no, nobody's debating this. Patrick Reads, really fucking good at golf. Like, but like that's the whole thing. It's like, there's no, nobody's debating this.

Patrick Reads is really fucking good at golf. But like, that's the frustrating part. I know. He doesn't have to do this shit to win, right? Like, he won by how many strokes? Five or five? Like, live. No, what if he, like, what if he has to,

what if he has to fill a soft, or like, cycle out of the window? Like, to keep himself motivated, he has to do it. Which I think is infinitely fascinating. He reminds me of Lancelarm Strong. A lot where it's like, you know, like, everybody's, you know, people are calling them a cheater. I don't, you know, I'm not a cheater.

I don't care, doubt it out at all. Like, and he's, and he's so individualistic. And he's so just, you know, he's a Texan, some patriot, doing it his way. That ability to believe and buy into that own, like story that you tell about yourself, right? How about Hendrick Norlanders, if finished T2, but he's one of the only guys

that's ever like publicly spoken out again. I was hoping they weren't gonna paint it as like, oh yeah, there's one of his buddies from there, Augusta State, but I forget what Norlanders said. I tried to find it today. I found something where he said like, oh yeah, it's one of his buddies from there, Augusta State, but I forget what Norway and her said. I tried to find it today. I found something where he said like, oh yeah, he ran his mouth when he shouldn't have been, but that's about as bad as I could find.

But DJ and I play with him at, you know, pro-AM, at Atlantic Beach, a couple years ago, and he was great. I really enjoyed him. He lives up in Augusta still. And yeah, I mean, he, like, even trying to draw that stuff out of him. He's like, you know what, like, that's not who I am.

I don't really want to talk about it, but at the end of the day, like, even trying to draw that stuff out of him. He's like, you know what? Like, that's not who I am. I don't really want to talk about it, but at the end of the day, like, you know, his record, or his reputation is what it is for a reason. That was all I had to say, you know. You guys want to talk about the rest of the tournament or to get a little bit of an answer, damn. Can we talk about Fina, please? Go ahead.

Please. I'm curious to see how this gets twisted. I just wanna know like how are the the uncompetitive runner up is what it is. That was, it was textbook. It would have been better in your mind if you finished T15, is what you're saying. Of course.

Okay. No, he shot himself out of it a little bit on Saturday or so it would appear. And I said before today, I'm like this, everybody's talking about Reed, nobody's talking about Fina, Fina was ever gonna get it done. This is the chance.

He ends up, you know, kind of spitting the bit there, middle of the front nine, and then he, I do give him, today, I'm a little bit, spinning the bit on the front nine today. Yeah. He shot 33 on the front nine today. Hold on, hold on.

This is news to cheat to cheat to myself. Breaking news. This just didn't. All right, bogey four, bogey four, one of the heart's holes in the course. And then birdies, six and seven. 10, it was 10. 10. Why don't you miss the shorties? And then we'll give you the front line. Yeah, front nine. And then 10, he, he lips out on the birdie putt, which is one of those vicious lips. Like a horseshoe lipper magu that was dying in And then miss the two foot. But then misses a two two foot five inch putt Which they didn't I need to see that did he just like walk up to to tap it in and miss it like I

Didn't need to see that that actual miss and he had a four footer coming back two on ten you know and then seeing what he did like No, he didn't hit a one foot six inch putt coming back. Come on, come on. Let's stay on here. Come on. Shot three, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you have the good good sense.

Don't you? Ended up two feet, five inches from the whole. Shot four, four feet, one inch, hit putt, four foot, one inch, leaving putt of one foot six inches. Come on. Come on. Come on. I'm misreading it. You guys gotta come stronger than this.

So we missed a two and a half footer. Yes. Not good. That's not good. Birdies and X-Hall, birdies 13. Sloppy bogey on 14. Horrible bogey on 13. Three putt it, missed a four footer.

In my defense, I call it he was gonna miss that putt. Like that was no chance. Totally. And then whether or not he was in contention or not, he was gonna hit it in the water on 18. That was like preordained. And I get that he was trying to make something happen and he had to do that and all that stuff.

But, like, at some point, like, you gotta hit the shots, man. So, I'm gonna see if we can pull it. I don't have any, then we'll have any quotes up for him on A-SEP sports. But, I'm guessing he's 245 and he tried to hit an iron. I'm guessing he was probably in between clubs. He probably hit the one that was like, if I'm going to make Eagle, it's going to be with this club.

And if I don't hit this grade, it's probably going in the water and did it anyways, which I respect. He probably could have hit a wood and easily covered and been on the back part of the green or been long and had no chance at Eagle. And that's probably what he probably went for the win. So of all for all the haters, I would have to say that was going for it. I just net net, though, it's it's it's a it's a runner up that's going to be like, well, you know, he finished second at farmers. And it's, you know, he just won that close to

winning it. He shot said no one was. He was only one. He shot seven. He's four on set. Holland was was close. He shot only one. He shot seven and four on set. How did you say hovelin was close. He spitted a bit late. Fiena had twenty. If twenty one percent of his fairways this week. If hovelin did what Fiena did today, you guys would be having a total feast. No, no, but this is the whole Patrick Reed versus Rory Drop situation. Hovelin gets the benefit of the doubt because he's won twice as many events as Fiena has

and he's what, like 22? 21. So part of it is Finau's reputation. Fair. Hovelin jar back 939. Not good. Yeah. Not good.

Finau, 21% of the fairways on Saturday, 41% for the week. Which I want to say the Hovelin? Perhaps. You know, we were all disappointed. I know when he broke the curse of the Puerto Rico open But maybe the curse of the Puerto Rico open is like you can't win in the contiguous 48 United States Many people are saying that Yeah, I mean bottom line though like fina He shot 69 today minus 3

Totally fine whatever, but totally fine like he he was, he was in very, very, very good shape. Six guys gave him to me and none of them were finished above him. Like no one that was like in contention. I'm just tired of like all the stats people like beat. Like can't win, can't win. I'm tired of watching something happen over and over and over again and then all these stats people being told it's something out. Telling me why what I'm watching isn't reality.

Like why? No, it just seems like he's not winning, but let me tell you what. No one's arguing that he's not winning. Like my whole thing is like, it is not a bad thing to always be at the top of the leaderboard. And like it'd be worse if you finished T15 every week than what he currently does.

For his bank account, sure. Like as a golfer, like it is, I know you're not gonna like this, okay? I know you're not, but golf is one, it is not all about who wins. It is not. It is not. It is not.

I totally get that one guy wins out of 156 player field every week and this is probably not the best example to flammon him finishing T2 with a final round 69. But on some level, like him missing a two foot five inch putt. Or. That's getting micro and missing the macro of like you can't just say like you could paint it as seven birdie run today or you could say missing a two foot putt. Like both of those things happened equally. Yeah.

So you're looking at the performance in totality. One guy beat him this week. But you keep bringing up the seven birdies and I'm going to say all right, cool. Because you can bring up the bogies. You're starting to get four bogies today, three of which were pretty sloppy. I wouldn't call 18 sloppy, I would call that going for the win. That's not sloppy.

I mean, that was make or break. That was only a chance he had to win. It was make an eagle. Guys, can I bottom line it? I think. Like the bogie on 14. That was bad. Like that was sloppy.

And 10 was obviously bad. The one on 10 was bad. Like that was like that was that was obviously bad. The one on 10 was bad. And then what do you think about the birdie on 11 or the one on six or the one on seven? In the one on 11. Right. The one on 11. The one on 11, he almost hold it.

Like what do you mean to say? CBS graphics had it as the closest anybody have been to that pin. That was a little shoe horning their new fancy graphics into that. And then oh by the way Tony, oh by the way, Tony, what I really want to ask you about is why, like, why can't you win? I think bottom line for Tony, he just has to catch a big break. I'm not going to even pity laugh at those anymore. I used to kind of give you

a little laugh just to make sure you felt, felt good by yourself. And I'm coming true and true though, which I'm very happy about. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming. And I'm coming.

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I don't know, I'm not really sure if he did. Look up, he was T3. How about Hovlin's rules thing on 14? Can you imagine tuning into golf and being like, I'm gonna keep watching this. This is cool. They got a little excited. This is, this is cool. They got a little excited.

Like not every rules situation is exciting. Like it was just trying to get his ball back in play. That did not need to have a zoom in. Well, everybody's keyed down on the rules this week, so maybe we should show them a really close look at this. Yeah, like we're good with how Hoppen's gonna handle this situation, like we don't need to see that one, but that's nip.

We got a Will's Allataurus sighting, the shot that he hid into 18. Oh god, that was sick. That floaty float. Like he was probably between clubs too and he said, you know what, I'm just going to saw off a three wood and this gross floaty. He's a shot maker. Crazy good. That was really good. He wasn't with the tournament on the line, necessarily, but he was a great shot. It was a good one under par round. All right. And then, Ram, we gotta talk about Ram.

Oh, God. Ram did, did he make any puts this week? It was a, every time I looked up, he was just hitting the lip and just was totally exacerbated. And what was he doing on 18? That was legitimately sick. It was unbelievable.

He looked so dumpy this week. Did you guys notice that? I mean, he looks dumpy every week. I don't, God, he just looked big so dumpy this week. Did you guys notice that? I mean, looks dumpy. I don't. God. He just like big and dumpy. He looked extra perturbed at everything. Like, it's just not, it's not a comfortable experience watching John Rom, whether he's playing well, no, or playing poorly. He did bend the cap a little bit more this week, which is a refreshing look. The flat bill was, you know, I'm quite working for me, but yeah, the shot that he hit, Ron looks straight, right? Ron looks stressful as hell, quite working for me. But yeah, the shot that he had in the wall, or what? Ron McStressful is hell like this whole week.

And yeah, the shot, was he going for it? Like, I don't know if it got past the middle of the pond. And then, and then he, like, one hand and he's disgusted about the shot in there. Yeah, and it goes to three feet. Yeah, and then he had two 54 in on 18 and hit it into the middle of the middle of the pond.

Brandon, he was in the bunker. Right. Why are you going for it with an iron out of there? Look, yo, dog. It's okay to like, I mean, you could literally hold it from the fairway. It's probably what a $200,000 par versus making birdie. Yeah, he made like, yeah, we could see something, something along those lines. I think he's probably good on the money friend.

He made two thirty, six 25, and if he finishes T2, those guys made four 56, something along those lines. So it changes the amounts if he does that. But yeah, Hovland lit $360,000 on fire by missing that two footer on 17. I don't know what that was. Those tough.

Good to see Francesco Molinarie back to back top 10s after going in the wilderness and eventually the witness protection program after moving to California. Ryan Palmer finishing time for a second. That was news to me. Alright, I kind of missed out. Carlos Ortiz, aka Max King Jordan's spieth. That I mean, I can't on see that shit now. That dude was in all of the bunkers today. All of them. He was cussing all over the place in Spanish too. Seven seconds delay wasn't picking those up.

Farmers week, you know, Tory Stinks, I think that's well documented. A lot of people still asking why, we've been over that pretty much every year, but Farmers always seems to kind of deliver though, right? Like I don't enjoy watching it, but there's always something going on there. Yeah, no, it's because of the cat.

It looked a lot different this year. I like to better without stands and without and with the drones and all that stuff. I feel like I appreciated the property and the scale of it a lot more. Yeah, you wanna do some answer, Dan? Real quick, I just wanna give a couple more shots. We can tie a bow on the lot more. Yeah. Yeah. You want to do some answer, Dan? Real quick. I just want to give a couple more shots so we can tie a bow on the competition element of

farmers. Very proud of Max this week. Awful, awful, awful start. And then, you know, ends up just battling his dick off. Sam Burns, 75 in the final round today. Not what we were looking for there. Good learning experience Jason co-crack

Makes a seven on 18 double bogey seven on 18 to go from Inside the top 20 to outside to go to t29 costing DJ his His bed this week and possibly dip into the pouch of misery, the pouch of misery. Carlos for T78 today, Sungjay, wanna give a shout out to Sungjay, respect Hacquilar around today from Sungjay.

You guys know what he shot on the front then? 31. You know he shot on the back nine? 42. Glad to top five bed on him and he got to T2 at one point and then did not finish that. I don't think in the top 30, which was impressive. And he shot 42 on the back with a birdie on 18.

Keep one coming back. And then otherwise, I want to, Andreas Gonzalez shooting 87 the same day that, Havelin shot, what did Havelin shoot second round? 65. That was a nice counterbalance, little Ken Duky and Round from Havelin. but we're going to have a shoot second round. 65. That was a nice counterbalance, little Ken Duky and round from, from Havelin on Friday. Carlos Ortiz somehow hit 10 greens today,

which I missed that. I missed that. He was in six bunkers, did not get any of them up and down around the greens. It was one of eight scrambling in total for the, for the day. I want to give, there was a GSC Grayson Murray's putting performance in Round Three.

I did see, I did see, what, 82? He shot 82. So he, in, let's see, he missed a putt from five foot eight inches on number two. And then he missed a putt from four foot four inches on three. And then missed a putt from four of four foot three inches on four. And then five three potted from seven feet. Like he had a truly unbelievable sequence, which I

would like to give a shout out to. That was fun to see. Always fun to see. Grace and my wife are doing things in the weekends. All right, you want to give a shout out to. That was fun to see. It's always fun to see Grace and my wife do it. Doing things in the weekends. All right, you wanna do it? Yeah, let's talk a little CBS. Gosh, we still got lots of cover. This is gonna be the longest recap in our history. I have to say, but overall, reaction, CBS.

So let's start first with the expectations going into the weekend. What did you expect to see? Because the tour folks have said to us over and over and over and over again, wait till there's a new media rights deal, wait till there's a new TV deal, we're going to have a lot more say over how our product looks. You know, the coverage gap's not going to be a thing. You know, a lot of the, which the new deal doesn't start until next year to be clear. This is the first year of sellers shy the new executive producer of CBS.

Okay. And so, you know, kind of cautiously optimistic going into the week and thinking, all right, there's going to be marginal improvement. It's not going to be anything earth shattering, but at some point having new blood in there and someone who's assured, because CBS seem like they went out of their way to say, hey, it's gonna look a little bit different. And I don't think they do that unless they're somewhat confident that it's gonna look a little different. Right? Yes, I was not as optimistic.

I read all the stuff and I just was not optimistic because a lot of what they said, like a new score bug, new music, all that. I'm kind of like, I just wanna hear you say more live golf shots. And I thought they did a fine job on that front, but there didn't seem a ton of emphasis on it. So I'm a little nervous going forward.

I also think like, really just having amazing content to go off of fueled what I thought was a great broadcast Saturday, which like, I don't think you can, I'm more, I'm more understanding of now, like you can't make a great broadcast out of boring ass golf. I would actually go the other way on that though.

And I would say that I think that that was actually everything that happened probably through a wrench into their plans and what they wanted to do from a cadence perspective. And it's kind of a distraction. Cause I definitely noticed like there was, it seemed like there was a lot less elevator, bumper music, a lot less need to show the leaderboard

cause it's always up on the screen. That's like two of my biggest pet peeves. And just the cadence of like from a subjective standpoint, it just felt like we were seeing more golf shots and the cadence of those golf shots quicker cuts, better camera angles. In and out of commercials, very seamlessly, especially the playing through stuff, which we don't love. But I thought they handled that really well.

I felt like the announcers were way more committed in what they were saying. They were just like not afraid. I don't know if that's like, hey, we've got the new deal signed. Like we can actually be an independent organization on a lot of this stuff. I don't know if it was the uniqueness of the read situation or whatever it was, but-

Did you notice a lot more, and I'm following them. Notice a lot more, you know, in play advertisements, whether it's the, you know, any play advertisements, whether it's the, you know, any of the segments, I mean, there's like, there's all sorts of little, you know, sponsors, statistical features or whatever. There's a ton more of those, but if that means we're seeing more golf,

all for it, you know. Randy, you're not a big coverage take guy, but what was your reaction? I was, I was pleasant, I had no expectations. I was pleasantly surprised. I thought I was a step in the right direction. It felt like a better broadcast than what I was used to in years past from CBS. I really liked the small thing, but I really liked the new scoreboard graphic down in the right hand corner. It's transparent. It's kind of out of the way.

You know, they pin the leader and then they're able to scroll through it. Just little stuff like that. I was, I thought it was good. It's a bit of faint praise because it's like, that fox did that like, you know, the first year that they had the US Open Deal. So like it's, they didn't invent this stuff and they kind of acted like they did a little bit, but whatever. That's not a big, not a, not a huge focus. Can we roast them for the coverage gap?

However, coverage gap still exists in 2021, despite them advertising now on the TV guide that it doesn't exist. It was actually worse than ever because they didn't throw CBS coverage on to golf channel, which I set there waiting for it. And finally, five minutes in, realize I needed to go pull my phone out and watch it.

You know, because the basketball game went long. Tom is a timeout with 42 seconds left up fifth or down 15. A lot of teacher moments. Party's going through some stuff right now. Trying to maybe cover the spread, the 14 point spread. I don't know what exactly what was going on there. I think he was protesting the coverage gap because there was 35 minutes between network shots being shown on television. Huge issue that I can't believe exists. The leader of the tournament, eagle number nine, right? Number six.

Six, yeah. And no way to see it. It was golf on golf channel though. It was the feature group, right? It was the feature group, right? Which they didn't disclose, like this is what, like you can put on the screen, like this is what you're watching. People thought they were watching the coverage and like also, so yeah, through that out there,

like hey, coverage gap's going on, I'm like, it's on, it's on right now. I'm also just like, oh my god, like golf fans, like they can trick golf fans this easily. They don't even know that they're not watching the leaders. Yeah. And there's a big, big disparity between feature group PGA to our live coverage.

And on weekends especially. That work coverage. Yeah. Because they don't pick the leaders for the feature group because they're gonna have all their you know coverage shown Yeah, and the energy level is super flat and all that it was a coverage grab scene Saturday and Sunday Yeah, I mean it was only a five or six minute delay on Saturday But then even then they've still have not shown the ability to Move those commercials to where the basketball game ends and then they have to go to three minutes of commercials

right after the basketball game. And then today, they're all a fucking picture and picture on the screen while you're doing all the rules stuff. Yes. Like, if you wanna leave with 15 minutes of that, that's fine, but show us on the screen what is going on in the golf, even it's up in the corner.

I couldn't believe it. This is where I wanna just get it on the record that say that did not bother me. Them having the full screen with the total breakdown. I thought it had a gravitas to the situation. I thought it was, I had quite a few people texting me, friends, my old man texted me like, hey, this is really interesting. I had no idea. I thought, I think quite a few people texting me, friends, my old man texts me like, hey, this is really interesting, like I had no idea.

I think that's where it's like, you gotta understand they're getting a lot of people that have no idea. I don't wanna downplay, because I do think I applaud them for making the decision to lead with that and do the round table and let everybody get their thoughts out there. I like that.

I just think you can't do it at the, after you're coming on the air half an hour late to I just think you can't do it at the, after you were coming on the air half an hour late to begin with, you can't do it at the expense of covering the meat of the golf course. For a long, it just went on for a long time. And people got riled up about it. I'm with you, Randy.

Like in a previous life, they would have just, you know, patricked over coming in adversity. There's some controversy yesterday. You may have seen it and they would not have steered into it. So it is kind of, I don't want to just ding them through anything they do.

So I want to get that on the record. That did not bother me. I had pointake in, you know, they could have. It's 12 minutes. Showed some golf. Or maybe they show a little golf, go to commercial and then come back as like their second segment, they go into it.

I don't know what the right answer is, but I'm glad that they gave a full breakdown. Yeah, I'm with you. It could go either way with that. I think it, you know, I appreciate that note of like given at the gravitas and the, you know, the time to let it breathe, the importance of the issue. We've got NBC back next week for Phoenix because CBS is a Super Bowl and then we've got CBS back for a very different level of Pebble Beach. So I think that will be the ultimate litmus test of, you know, and I can imagine that

Nancy's probably, Nancy of all people, a resident of Pebble Beach, probably more excited than anyone to focus on the golf course and spyglass and pebble for that matter and just be able to set aside all this celebrity bullshit for a year. So we'll see what happens. You guys much watch a much of Dubai this week, I didn't get to watch much of it, but Paul Casey, a winner there, Tommy Fleetwood, was around, faded. Paul Casey, it's an interesting comment on the read thing, not to keep tying it back, but kind of gave a little smirk to Shane Bacon and Damon Hack when they were interviewing them. I was like, yep, it's me and talked about over here.

Yeah, so Dubai, it seems like it's planned tougher the last couple of years. It seemed like they Dubai. It seems like it's planned tougher. Oh, last couple of years, like it seemed like they crazy low winning score a few years back. And then, I don't know, they just firmed up the greens or what, but watch 17 under one. So it was, yeah, but it was a pretty good separation between, I mean, case he was, he won by what three? It was one by four or brain and stone, like cruise control, disappointed in Tommy lad, he was what 36-hole leader close to it and

73-72 on the weekend to finish T17. Yeah, and it's kind of a you know, it's kind of a developing situation. I think going back to we want to talk about VNOWCOM. Friend of the program kind of summarizes for me. Going back 2018 open championship. So other the day, minus five T6, four back. Shoot 73 finishes T12, 2019 players. Start of the day, one behind Ram. Shoot 73 finishes three behind Rory. It's a nervy start, three putt at the beginning. Hit sit in the drink on 17. 2019 open championship, plus three on Sunday 2020 Honda Desire in one over 71 in the final group lost by two. That was one that stuck out to me 2020 Scottish open gets run down by Aaron Rye

Abu Dhabi started the day solo third on Sunday only player in the top 25 to shoot over par on Sunday plus 173 finished T7 and then was shot 136 this week Thursday Friday 145 on the weekend. Thought we had the pod bump enjoyed Chapman Tommy. I like that's why it sucks because like I've root like crazy for the guy a little bit disappointed in big shot Bob McIntyre. Thought he was gonna make the leap this week. I think he's in the top 50 in the world ranking.

Now though, my man Takumi Kenaya, the Japanese phenom gets his nice top 10 and his European tour debut. I don't think enough can be made of that. But yeah, I don't know. Paul Casey, like so freaking steady. Last five, six, seven years. Like since he kind of got his career back on the rails, I don't really, like, so freaking steady. The last five, six, seven years. Like since he kind of got his career back on the rails,

I don't really, like, I don't know what it is about. I don't know if it's like the same thing with Justin Rose, where, you know, there's just something that, like, it just doesn't resonate with me, but I respect the hell out of him for, you know, what he's been able to do. I mean, he's good at golf. Yeah, it's just not.

But I mean, he's shit, he's got more top 10s in the last five years than he has miscuts. Like that's impressive. Yeah, a lot of people don't like, I have no real reason to dislike Paul Casey. I hear people that are in within golf. They think he's an authentic. Yeah, they don't like him, but I don't know. I'm not able to make that connection personally.

So I feel nothing. I don't feel dislike or, or, you know, affection towards Paul Casey. So in the European tour is going to Saudi Arabia. Beautiful, beautiful views of the Red Sea next week. King Abdullah economic city. Big question I have for you guys. If Fina wins, does it count within the bet? I mean, it is, you said earlier, it's the West coast of Saudi Arabia. It's part of the West Coast swing, is it not? I'll give it to you. Okay. Yeah. On behalf of DJ. Okay. I will. It's a pretty big. I'll grant it. It's a pretty damn strong field too.

Now a really technical part of the question. Because when the bet was initially made, Mexico event was still happening in Mexico. We'll give you, we'll give you a consign. A session counts too. Okay. We're alive. We'll make it consent. We are alive. I mean, I think you need, you need two wins in the next four events. Is that it? Something like I doubted, I doubt he's going to play AT&T, right? If he's playing Saudi.

I think with Finault, like, wasn't there something last year where he didn't end up going? He was supposed to go and then you know, moving to Scottsdale or that week and he so he played Scottsdale instead of playing Saudi So we owed them a trip. What no, I don't know. I don't know if you guys see the thing that Garrett Morrison tweeted about that the line city It's this city that they're trying to build. That's like 130 kilometers long But it's only like there's no streets or anything like that. It's all just one big street. It's all just like one big, you know, there's no cars, there's no streets. It's just one big like line kind of

metro line and you know, it's wild. It's provocative. Yeah, very provocative. But yeah, I'll say Fina, it counts, you know why it counts because Dustin Johnson, number one player in the world, was in the field. Yeah, okay. You know, you're cool with DJ playing there. If you're going to beat the best, if you're going to beat the best, Fina, you're going to beat the best.

I totally bet he wins. I know we touched on kind of gambling and golf. I put this on our agenda just to chat about. It was brought up in DMs this week. I forget who sent it to me too, but like, hey, like, at what point should the tour like have to disclose injuries? Like the Matthew Wolf withdrew after round one.

He had a poor round one and withdrew with a wrist injury. Like, isn't that pertinent information for gamblers? And if you are now very much steering into gambling, what is the PGA tour, oh, people that are gonna be paying attention to their sport and betting on it. So you may be on the front end, right? Like an injury report going in a little week. Because the NFL, you can get in trouble if a guy is hurt

and you don't put them on the injury report, or a check put. But Brady on the injury report for like 10 straight years. That's an interesting question. I think they, listen, if they want all this gambling money, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that they provide pretty legit injury reports. Somebody else WD this week basically once lineups

and once everything was locked, so I think that's something else too, basically screwing over so many people who had that person in their lineup. There's a lot of WDs, Fabian Gomez, Martin trainer, Charlie Hoffman, Matthew Wolfen, Camilo Vajegas. But this was one that WD, you know, within half an hour of the opening round starting or from, you know, from the time that the opening round started that the first player

Titoff, lineups were locked and they were able to replace them with an alternate in the field, but nobody's able to replace. Oh, I gotcha. And I will never feel sorry for anybody playing the DFS on that front. You know, like, yo, you like submarine my team for this week. You know, these guys are, I think submarine my team for the week sucks in terms of like, you know, if you, if you're getting mad at a player for sucking, that attitude sucks, but if, yeah, you withdrew with like, you know, notice, and I put you in my line. new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new you know, like, I don't think they'll ever do this, but maybe it takes pressure off of the broadcast partners

to deliver, you know, revenue. Right, maybe, you know, it's more revenue streams and now- Which is money going on. With the tour, it's basically just like, no, this is like over and above whatever we milk at everything else. Like they're gonna extract the most value of this.

But where I struggle with it is how do these, I mean shit, Shotlink went down today, right? It's the app, their app is unequivocally the worst app in all of professional sports, all of major sports in the world, in my opinion. I mean, it is the clunkiest, worst user experience. It's not even close. And they're saying that not only can they not have

a coherent leaderboard on their site as it is right now, and their website's not any better, and they're not providing any sort of sortable statistics or like it's in the late 90s as far as I'm concerned on this stuff. And yet in an article with golf digest this week, the guys pimping all sorts of new advancements with the app and with live-odd scoreboards

on the tour website. And it's like, man, how about we crawl before we can sprint here? Yeah, it seems like they're ready to run. Get out and run with some of this stuff and say, well, they've got a little bit of blocking attack. It's like, you're gonna get the foundation with you a little bit more, right?

I think this is not the last time we're gonna have this conversation because I think there's gonna be a lot more stuff come up. I got a lot of questions, and maybe this isn't the week done packet because we got a lot to get through still, but just in like how the live stuff is gonna really work. If I'm on site and I can get a bed in

You know if I'm if Tony Fina was a one shot lead You know on the 17th hole at sawgrass and I just watch him hit one and it starts out way right and I've got a bet waiting to go Can I click it while it's in the air? But like no, he's not gonna win or this is going in the water. Are you get a rogue shot link volunteer? Yeah, or you know, like, I mean, shit, how do you, like, TV's always delayed as far as TV production? How do you ensure that nobody's front running anything

or being on site or going back to the Patrick Reed thing? Like, you know, rules. How do you enforce the rules? Are you testing for equipment at the beginning? Are you drug testing? Like, that seems like a big fucking deal, right? That's unbelievable. Patrick Reed has sent out a tweet, so sorry, since we've been recording, remained resilient, locked in and got it done. Thank you to my coaches at David Leadbetter, Sean Hogan, Kessler and my entire team and sponsors.

Thank you all. See you back at Torrey Pines for the US Open. 169 replies so far. I think to your point about front running and live broadcast, it gulfs a little bit different in that there are tape-to-late shots of course. Like the on-site stuff, it's gotta be a little bit of the same issue with any sport I would think, right?

Yeah. The directly somebody could be sitting in a basketball game and- That's one ball out of the hand. Right, how are they gonna do this across 18? Yeah, yeah. No, no, point taken. I think some of this stuff, there should be some blueprints,

but yeah, there is some interesting kind of new ground for the tour to cover here. I guess I just feel like if we had any confidence in these people at all to accomplish this or be transparent about what they're trying to do, that's one thing, but like, we're not. I'm sure it's a perfect sequence. I'm sure it's fun.

What else is going on PGA tour, bro? Launch take us there. Oh my gosh. T.C. What do you think about the $70 million headquarters? Well, they're saying 65. I've heard it's closer to seven. Or no, I've heard it's closer to nine figures.

It's clearly a hundred million dollars plus over budget. Guys, they've got a moat. We're talking about the new HQ here in Ponovedra. I'm thinking about going down there this week, holding up a sign outside at like during the morning commute, holding up a big poster and saying, like, honk if you think Patrick Reed cheated. So the way in, you have to walk over these two bridges over a mode. Over a literal mode. Yeah. And so, so, you know, somebody, Yeah. And so, you know, somebody, you find this. So there's all sorts of great, you know, great details in here from Gary Smith, kind of

an own goal from the tour. They invited local calmness Gary Smith from Jacksonville.com to profile the place. Thanks to five large skylights, a collaborative atrium connecting the two wings, Florida ceiling windows. Natural light is one of the main features. Natural light out the ass, which is very important. It is 100% intentional said Kristen Savia, the tourist vice president for integrated communications.

They have 96 separate meeting spaces in there. I don't know, yeah, they have 100 meeting spaces. They have a fitness center, zoom classes, yoga Pilates. I bet some of these, these hundreds of VPs they have are going to be fucking animals in the workout facility. 6,500 square foot fitness center. That's unbelievable. They have a coffee bar where staff will bake their own pastries and bread. they're on pastries and bread. Can I tell you about the optics? What does this bother you?

I'm on the opposite side of this, I think, because this is a billion dollar sports organization, and for a long time, they've worked out of, this shitiest, this should not be happening. And I think a criticism that a lot of people have had of the tour, maybe more on our end, more than a lot of listeners or whatnot, is like, they don't necessarily,

I don't think they necessarily seek out a ton of great talent. I think a lot of talent, quote unquote, talent is like very local, very convenient. Non-Golf fans. Non-Golf fans. And like, you're, where you work and where you're running this billion dollar organization

if you wanna be able to recruit talented people and have it be like a high profile job and you know, do good things. I think they should, you know, $100 million sponsorship deals. For sure. For Fortune 500 companies. Investing in something like this does not seem agreed.

It doesn't seem like over the top to me at all. It's like, like some of the things they're talking about, the dingy ass, no lateral, natural light workspaces suck. I've been in those places. And like, when I used to work for my old company, we went from a DINGE building to a brand new one. I legit loved going into the building. Like, I, and that did not, couldn't say that about the first one. So, I just want to

get that in. Yeah, I think there's a certain, like, I tried to say that on Twitter too. I was like, hey, like, they deserve to have nice stuff, but it's a matter of like the optics and again, going back to the tour this week, the optics are not very good with anything that they do. And this is a total own goal of like, we're in the middle of a pandemic. You laid off 50 plus people. You're a nonprofit. We're in a lot of the charities supported by the tournaments,

like essentially on their own this past year. Yes. And then they're, but like not only are they, he's fine, they're opening this place shitty luck. I get it. Pandemic happened. They they they were well down the road on this thing. But flip side, like don't invite somebody to, you know, go and

throw it in everybody's faces how nice this place is you know And bring anybody think yeah ready good. I'd like I'd like being on TC side of this issue I mean you make great points sure It's it's a lot It's a little it's a little ghost in my in my view all right, so and then William Watt replied to a tweet, as we said, I'm always interested in what the architecture says about the client who commissioned it.

I think William's an architect. He said, this design with a literal moat around it, large exterior columns and reflective glass, screams of a defensive mindset, and an old world establishment self-image, and yeah, it looks expensive. And combine this with their tacky, like, gaudy, gauche,

faux-tuskin, neoclassical clubhouse. It's like, you- That's so aggressive. Yeah, it's like, like, at some point just like have some taste, right? It's very new, though, reach. Cause you're just a lot of words. I don't know what those words, I'm assuming they're mean disrespect.

I'm sorry that happened to you. Yeah, I read all that shit. I'm happy for you. Other one. Yeah, I hear where you're coming from. I just think like, yeah, it was, I think they should start carrying themselves more like this kind of organization. I'm sure individually a lot of the little stuff

can be picked apart is for optic reasons. But like going back to the gambling on golf thing too, of like why, the people that have the most to benefit from the tour having villains, like from going back, you always reference this, going back to pairing up Keppka and Bryson. And they act like that's a complete non-starter because what, it's gonna diminish the integrity of the FedEx cup or one of the 45 stroke play tournaments

in a row that they have. At some point, none of this shit matters except for the majors and half a dozen other tournaments. And the rest is just straight up entertainment. So let's treat it like that. Let's treat the competition seriously and make sure that we know that you're treating the competition seriously.

But on the flip side, treat it a little bit more like the European tour or the NBA or the way it's like, yo, there are rivalries. That's healthy for the sport. That's healthy for the sport, that's healthy for the business. That gives the fans something to talk about. That's gonna drive ratings. And like, they seem to be totally allergic to that.

Yeah, I may be extremely recent, but like the way they handled the rules department aside, the way they handled the read controversy and CBS made the Rory video available to golf channel for review and the way that all seem to work this weekend. I'm sure we'll have plenty of instances where like we'll accuse them of whitewashing it or kind of I think the EMCA takedowns, which didn't see any of them. Normally that's like their first their first order of businesses to basically take down anything. I mean shit, they they took down the A-B answer or the tiger putt that somebody doctored. Yeah, for the president's cup. That was hilarious. That's still keep free servicing. People still think that's real, by the way.

And then lastly, in in Torrworld, Rory wants to be running for pack president. Yeah, he was nominated to be pack president. And I think I think what's the pack player advisory council. And then just asking for listeners again, I'm doing my I'm doing the job on behalf of the listeners. And the pack president is basically like there I think he sits on the

board, right? Or he sits like they have a literal vote on the shit that happens. And for Rory, he's been very vocal in the past about like, like, they have a literal vote on the shit that happens. And for Rory, he's been very vocal in the past about, like, yo, the best players in the world need a much bigger piece of the pie. Yeah, I wonder what he thinks about the tour trotting him out as a shield for all the read stuff that went down this week.

So I think that's gonna be a very interesting thing to follow here, to go along. So news that came out this week, which seems like six months ago, I think probably. I'm gonna bridge this into a discussion. We have a shout out to our partner, BMW. We're gonna be doing these regular rider cup check-ins. We're supposed to do them last year,

but obviously the rider cup got a little postponed into 2021, checking in on any rider cup-related news, standings, whatever, or maybe even some historical stuff that happens in Ryder Cup. But this week, Davis Love was named the president's Cup Captain. I think this has a trickle down, definitely has a trickle down effect into the Ryder Cup. I certainly have some questions as it relates to this. First of all, Davis Love, of course, the last U.S. Ryder Cup captain to win a Ryder Cup 2016 Hazel team. I thought he should have won in 2012.

I thought he captain the team very well in 2012, from what I could tell, and they were obviously the miracle. Medina happened. So, definitely not questioning his bonafides as a captain. I just find this decision to be quite curious, and I'm very confused as to what the future path of the US team is, is the president's cup a huge distraction from the writer cup. I, I, I, I, I should go to

see how these two worlds are going to exist together going forward with this kind of decision. I don't think it went any farther than Davis love the third is from home game north. But their models were going crazy, right? It's a layers of home game, right? Of course, it's the US playing on US soil. And then it's a Russian nesting doll of home games. You have Davis love, Accuel Hollow. Why does that seem to be such a criteria for a captain? Steve's tricker is the captain of the US radical team

because it's in Wisconsin. I get that one more than this one though, right? It's like, all right. Yeah, Davis went to UNC and all that, but I don't really equate Davis with Charlotte, you know? That's what I think. They're just like reaching for this stuff. And it makes it reek to me of between,

like, I feel like so many people, players included, treat this thing for its competitive nature. Like they care about winning this thing. And then I see so many decisions made that seem so ceremonial. Political ceremonial, yeah. Just like, I don't know.

I hope I'm dead wrong about Steve Stricker as a captain, but I just don't really, at least, and maybe I'm overreacting to like, like first interviews that came out when he was first tried out for his media tour, but I just walked away from that being like, gosh, I hope there's more reason than, you know, he just, he's from Wisconsin,

that that's why he's the writer cup captain. Have been, so we don't know who the captain is for Italy. Correct. So like, is it possible that Strikker is basically gonna be kind of the ceremonial captain and then whomever they're grooming to be the captain for Italy or its best page. That page, yeah.

Like, you know, those two guys are kind of shadowing him and doing a lot of the, well, it's been theorized that it's gonna be the cat and Phil in some order for 22 and 24, which is now 23 and 25 for the writer cup. Who else is in the mix? You probably got Zach Johnson. For ZJ, David Thoms.

Yeah, I mean, he hasn't really been a assistant captain. You have to start, they have this thing now of like rolling assistant captains in. And so you got to look at who the assistant captains are, but you know, you know, so beyond ZJ, who else is, is, I heard Bubba throwing out there. I think Brian Lavender threw him out there. I don't know how serious that one was, but that's, that beyond CJ, who else is, is, I heard Bubba throwing out there. I think Brian Lavner threw him out there. I don't know how serious that one was, but that's, that's what I wanted. Like, I don't know. I have no insight info on this.

And I, I am just super curious as to what this, what this path is going to look like and whether, you know, they actually have, and this is where I'm wondering if like having an alternating between the, the Ryder Cup and the Presence Cup is really going to throw things for a loop, right? Because the tour is not as, you know, the PGA tour is making the decisions more so on the terms of their Ryder Cup or the Presence Cup captain. Whereas- Yeah, it's not like the cat being the captain at Royal Melbourne.

It's part of some task for it. There's not a team USA thing going on. Like the European tour has, that Ryder Cup is their thing and they work on two-year cycles, whereas US golf, two different organizations work on two different cycles. And I'm not making excuses for why the US always loses

the Ryder Cup, but now I'm like openly wondering how much these things are working against each other or not. Because I made a massive deal of the whole task force thing and how they're going to use this as a training ground for future captains and all and and to really solidify the processes and that's like, yeah, no, it just seems like I know an interesting vice captain from 2018 David Duval, yeah, who would be that'd be interesting certainly a more interesting captain I think and I said is for many years. Well, why does it have to be a golfer? Oh, I love that idea

I would sign up for that in a heartbeat You know, I know I know being up. He's our sponsor, but I floated total wolf before German guy as the American writer cup captain would be chef's kids. What was the like Jürgen Klunze? Yeah, that's one guy. A German guy as the American writer, Cup Captain, would be Chef's kid. What was the like, Yergen Klunzen? Yeah, that's it. So. If you say, Andrew Schoffley's dad, he'll be a captain.

He's technically European, I think. So that's, yeah, that's my reaction. We can talk about the presence cup in the future as well as to, you know. Oh, we don't. Oh, we don't. I mean, I don't know. I got super hype after Royal Melbourne thinking this was, presence cup in the future as well as to, you know. Oh, we don't. I mean, I don't know. I got super hype after Royal Melbourne thinking this was, and I knew the future venues. So it's not like news that it's going to coil hollow, but I'm just like.

And then they're going to Royal Montreal after that. Yeah. And we, they had their flash in the pan. And then Medina. Yeah. It's over. All right. So go into the standings though, because I do think that's interesting.

Yeah. You got DJ, who's like like light years ahead of everybody else. Bryce and number two, JT's number three, Zander's number four, Morikawa's number five. I'm assuming these are not updated with what just happened. I think these are updated, because P went up five slots. Okay, maybe they are.

It's said January 31st, update. Okay. So he's six, and then how many, we got four captain specs? Six, six, six. Okay, so he's six. And then how many we got four captains, six six six six. Okay. So he's in right now. Brooks is seventh and falling fast, which is a whole other conversation. Brooks, one of the most irrelevant great players in the game. We are two hours into this and didn't even mention like how many straight cuts he's missed or anything. Um, I think web is eight. And I think he's a lock for the team.

I don't think it's a great venue for him, but I think he's a lock. I think Fina was a lock. Can we get him in a rider cup without babysitting? It would be my thing. I would love that for Webb. Harris English is 10, can't lay 11, burger 12, wolf, Kisner, Woodland, Palmer, Na, Coke, Rack, Horsholt, and Cat, and the Cat, rounding out the top 20.

Long way to go. I can see Scottie Schaffler making a big move from that. Yeah, where is that? He's 20 second down the list a little bit, but that top 12 seems pretty not airtight, but it seems like it doesn't, nothing jump off the page of me is like, they're gonna go far past the, how that works on the ranks. And then Europe is eight and four, eight captain,

eight selections and then four captain's picks, right? They, I don't know what they changed it. I think it's, they have a European point system and a world point system. I don't remember what they changed to with the pandemic or if they did. So. It's, but right now it's Fleetwood,

Hatton, Ram, Mackelroy, top four, then Victor Perez, burned a V-sburger, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Danny Willett, Westwood, Bob McIntyre, Matias Schwab, and Rafa Cabrera Bello. Did you say Paul Casey on there? Casey, up 37 spots this week? Only got up to 14th.

That's on the European list though. For the world list, he's six now. So they got this whole game system. There's this better though. For anybody's edification, it's four, it's the top four off the European points list, and then the next five that aren't qualified off the world's points list.

And then three captains. Okay, so it didn't change anything. Worth mentioning, the top five in the world and the European points list are the same. It's the same five guys. Right, but it goes to the next. Yeah, exactly. But I just think that's just the thing

that those guys are playing. All right, one more thing I wanted to discuss. Randy had a great podcast this week with Cherry Fulze after kind of going through our reaction to the Diamond Resorts Classic last week. I thought that was the big guy. What was your reaction in the great conversation with Cherry? Please go back and listen to that if you haven't.

And I really appreciate Cherry's openness into having the conversation and take some tough questions from the big guy. That was this week. That's as we've joke, that felt like years ago. Yeah, that was the first thing. Jerry was awesome. He didn't, you know, he didn't certainly didn't sidestep or shy away from any of the things I asked him. He's still employed, right? So I for folks thinking this was a

Peter Costas situation, it was never going to be that. And I thought Jerry did a great job of the big takeaway I had was the format led to so many of my frustrations on Sunday afternoon. The decision to put the three LPGA pros together in the final group. I thought it was a great decision. The decision to put the top three celebrities in the second to final group, I think caused problems. I think there were aspects of the discussion. I guess flowing from that right, there were like that's what led into the last hour

that was commercial free, being well, we only have one group, essentially, on the course that are LPGA players, so they necessarily had to keep cutting to the celebrities. The other big takeaway I had was Mike Flasky, who runs the tournament. We had to bring up big flask. Big flask. This is the tournament. We had to bring up big flask. Big flask. Like this is the way he wants it to be. And so if that's the way he wants his tournament to be,

that's the way it's gonna be. Flask was very proud of the ratings. He was in the engagement. And the engagement, not all engagement. He was sub-tweeting the shit out of me. I don't know. My big takeaway is I think there's so much to be done on the women's game and bringing those broadcasts up

to where your average LPGA broadcast feels like what we saw today on CBS, right? And I do wanna say, I think golf channel for the most part does does a really good job weekend and week out of showing the women play golf. It was this point to me because this was one of 10 times the women are going to be on network television. And I felt like it just did not.

It just was not good enough to show off the women's game. And so, it's like, you know, I just have a, I go back to having a celebs event. Right. You know, just make it purely celebs and let the women, you know, go play their tournament at champions another week or something. There's this feeling and golf,

which I think is interesting. It's more of the older institutional golf folks. I mean, Ron Syrac gave voice to it. Where it's like, you know, hey, if folks happen to turn on and watch some celebrities, that's great, right? Maybe they become fans of women's golf and, you know, we're making the temp bigger. We're bringing folks in.

And I just, that link or that theory is so, it's not compelling to me at all. I don't buy it. I made a joke on Twitter. It kind of feels like trickle-down economics a golf And also like these aren't celebrities, right? Like I mean You're a baseball fan, but like errant like Aaron judge No, Aaron judge would have been more of a celebrity was Aaron Hicks. Oh, who's Aaron Hicks? Exactly. He Had game now I was Oh, who's Aaron Hicks? Exactly. He had game.

I was going to say that. Who is interesting. Yeah, he's the centerfielder for the Yankees. Okay, so Aaron Hicks, Josh Scobie, who's a friend of ours, and Marty Fish. Who my thing is like, and these guys are like, these guys are good guys. I hate going after them, but they're not the most popular dudes in their primary sport. Yeah, and to expect people to want to watch them play golf and then to expect them, oh, hey, they're also showing some women.

It's just, I don't know. It's not a good, not my cup of tea, I guess. And if you want to have your cake and eat it too, do this shit on Saturday, and then focus on the ladies on Sunday. I agree. I think we crushed that on the pod last week, right? So my takeaway from this this week was like, Flasky's reaction. I didn't even see some of his reply tweets,

which, you know, we're a public of just like, he said something to somebody without the ratings, the LPGA is not on network TV. This is a proven formula. The ladies love it and it works for all involved. The hardcore golf fan needs to take a breath. As a CEO, if I didn't innovate and change, we would get lapsed.

Golf needs to do the same in some areas. Big flask, although, like, if you've not dug into his Twitter account, what a maniac. What a, what a maniac. I love the attitude of just like, I don't care if you didn't like it. Like, I made money off this shit. Like the ratings are up, dog.

Like the rating defense of, yeah, look at the ratings like it. I made money off this shit. The ratings are up, dawg. The rating defense of, yeah, look at the ratings, man. Look at this. It's like, yeah, I don't care if it's socked. I did good on this, man. See that? I hate that. But it's like, it's like,

and the ratings are a whole nother pandora's box. It's like talking to your, talking to just people who you know your audience and to like, you know, I try, not only do I not give a shit about what you think about the product that we're serving you, like I'm actually throwing it in your face that you don't like it and you know what, I don't care.

Just chilling. I thought you and I'm gonna believe this rating's random. The thing I liked more, we didn't just focus on the diamond resorts, Jerry and I went in to talk about the broader environment of women's golf and broadcasting women's golf. And that's where, you know, I think he and I are very much aligned that a lot needs to be done. And golf's power brokers be it the USGA, the broadcast, the network partners, I even keep saying that the PGA tour, the PGA of America,

the masters, I guess the national, like at some point they really need to take some action and not just have marketing slogans. And so what that looks like, I don't know, I'm optimistic that in the next couple of years we'll see some real changes, but the proof will be in the pudding. But I guess net net, all thanks to Jerry Foltz and somebody I forgive me, I don't know who it was, tweeted, I think one of the best takeaways

from the whole deal was we have a lot of men arguing about women's golf coverage, which I think is a very positive sign that there seems to be some passion and interest. I think that's a good first step. It's just so frustrating when Syracc basically says, like a guy that has written about the LP GBA more than most people comes in and says like, no, like we got to trick people into watching it and like treat people like morons.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, DJ's tweet was just like, you know, I'm sure the three most, like three of the most popular American players being in the final group had did nothing to do with the ratings being up. I'm sure. We're like the totally boring PGA, you know, AMX, golf channel. Yes.

Exactly. So. All right, waste management coming up this week. Obviously the bone saw, invetational and Saudi Arabia. Lastly, we're devastated for Kamayu Johnson who had an exemption into the farmers. Big news though there.

He got a risk of jinxing it. No, never jinx it, never jinx it. Big news is he got two exemptions. He got exemptions in the Hanvek Classic. And the AT&T, maybe hearing more from Kamayu in the near future. Willie Mack, the third from the Advocates Pro Tour, took his spot, which was awesome to see. And he'll be, Willie Mack will also be playing

in the Genesis later this year. I thought they did a great job covering that story and we're gonna dive into a lot of the APGA in the coming weeks. So there's strapped coming out. The Tallahassee strap comes out first episode. I not to put DJ on the spot, but he was targeting this coming week.

The third episode of that goes all into Florida and him and the advocates tour and hear him from some folks that are like really personally involved. And I think it'll be great for people. Excited to see that. I'm excited for Commaio to get, and I know it's important to get the PGA tour exposure and then get some exemptions after that.

But I'm excited, I saw you got one for the, yeah, for the Corn Ferry. So I also just wanna give a shout out to Roger Gidell for kind of taking big J. Monahan off the hook last night with the golf staffer trade, the timing on that was impeccable. I'm sure there's a direct correlation there. He said, Rod, we gotta talk business. I need you to push through a deal, baby.

All right, this is a record, two hours, five minutes. Not a major, certainly. Proud of you guys. I don't think we've ever done that on a major. I have no regrets. Hope everyone enjoyed. A lot of, you know, why didn't we do for an emergency pod on Saturday night? We got to save it for some,

I'm glad we waited a day. It would have been too emotional. It just makes it a diet podcast on Sunday, right? Yeah, it would have been too emotional. No, we would have missed all this rory stuff on all this context. And all the quotes, and I'm sure there's some price more quotes

that have come out since we've been recording. But thanks everyone for tuning in. More to come, a lot more content to come this week, and we'll be back next week. Just see you haters. Get a right club. Be the right club today.

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