No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 4: Part 1 - Shane Bacon

Episode Date: June 20, 2014

In part 1 of 2, Soly chats with Shane Bacon (@shanebacon), Editor of Yahoo’s Devil Ball Golf and Busted Racquet blogs, and owner of the largest (unofficially) calves west of the Mississippi (see below). The two... The post NLU Podcast: Episode 4, Part 1 appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm gonna get the right club. Be the right club today. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most.

Better than most. What's up guys welcome back to the No-Lang-Up Podcast. We have special guests on this podcast. We've actually already recorded it. I had some technical difficulties on my end so our intro did not get recorded. So when you're wondering why we get down to business right away, it's because the beginning of our audio got cut out. But our guest is Shane Bacon. He's the editor of Yahoo's Devil Ball Golf Blog. You can follow him on Twitter at Shane Bacon. We discussed a myriad of topics from the US Open, Ricky Fowler, Women's US Open,

and a lot of other grab bags stuff near the end. So thanks everybody for tuning in. So all right well thank you for coming back. Coming on it's time to talk real golf. Obviously this is the first thing we're going to touch on is recapping what just happened in the US open. Martin Kimer, H-shot victory. It was not the most exciting weekend and the TV rating kind of picked the show that as well. That's something there's a time to talk about. Let's first talk about Kimer. First of all his performance was absolutely dominate, but I also found, and our buddy Adam Starsson also found it interesting. Mealy after winning, he made some interesting comments about how he needed to adjust a few things to swing

To his swing to play better there. It isn't just an exact replay from three years ago when he tried to adjust This swing the hit of all right the left it will play better to got the Brought him to the world. It doesn't So I mean it's just so weird it is true. I mean you you say that Like you said the minute after you were in the thing you're talking about how you do a jester game to win the masters okay just win the other stuff

you know like he's not even his thirty like he's hitting it like this you know and win another u.s. opener of british or something he doesn't have a top ten at the masters he's misliked for out of seven so i mean i understand he has a plate well there but like that you're playing well right now like from around with it i mean i've never understood this tiger's done it obviously it it just it seems like they they find a way to win something and it's like okay i could change my game to win here when it you know i mean just play

like this you're winning all these big tournaments. I mean, you're obviously know what you're doing. Well, it's not even that he just won. I mean, he obliterated the field. I mean, Tiger's kind of numbness for what a blowout win looks like. I mean, Tiger wanted, you know, something like 15 shots. I'm just going to bite eight, but I'm thinking today's day

and age was kind of the way technology neutralizes fields in a certain way More than did say 14 years ago and Tiger did it so that and how much deeper and stronger the field are they I I almost think this performance. I'm not gonna say beats it, but at least rival did I mean there's a little bit I mean that was the greatest performance of all time what Tiger did in 2000 But it's to do that the NHL and today's day and age is incredibly significant. And I don't get how. And it's not like, all right, if it was Phil, and Phil had to redo his swing to win the US Open, however, for whatever reason, to get the last leg of the Grand Slam, and that

really would round out his career. And obviously the Masters is the major that everyone wants to win but i don't understand what his obsession with having to hit a ball hit a ball a certain way out of gust i mean so i think the way he doesn't he just hit this fade and let that play that mean why not he really see how i like but i can play like right like but like bobby hits that his fade on eighteen to the gust, and he should never have had drivers there in a million years, and he hits him the fairway like half the time. So, you just kind of find a way or adjust it.

Yeah, I mean, it's just these guys, I don't know, it's just goofy. And like you said, LeBron doesn't need to change his basketball game yet. He will in six years, but right now it works pretty well. It's like, if you do this well at it's something, keep to it, you know, and be content, at least for a little bit. And, you know, go see if you can win a British. I mean, you know, you're playing on a golf course that I think's gonna play, you know,

a little bit like Piner's played. So, you know, don't immediately after just do that. I just think it's so, you know, it's like winning an Oscar and, you know, saying you're not gonna do movies anymore, you know, just doesn't make a sense. It's, yeah, it's like winning an Oscar in comedy know saying you're not going to do movies anymore you know just a make a sense it's yeah it's like winning an author in comedy then trying to become like a drama actor you know it's a big thing that people do that a lot though yeah no that's all they have to do exactly but I guess it's a tiger tigers the changes that he made I feel like he made each of those for specific reasons like back in 97 he won with his swing when he was across the line and he made. I feel like he made each of those for specific reasons.

Back in 97 he won with his swing when he was across the line and he knew he couldn't compete that way. He also knew he was the most talented person on the planet and he could train his body to swing any way he wanted to. I think everyone would agree his swing under Bush with the best golf swing they'd ever. His knee wouldn't hold up and that's kind of why are uh... actually know what i don't even remember why he switched from which armors and can you but he's switch from any that fully because of a lot of the issues

and uh... i guess what it was and then and and personal issues yet to be a theory that both you like and i got it uh... if it like okay yeah i yeah, I mean, yeah, Tigers done it. You know, it's works whatever,

but you know, it's crazy, like not to talk about Tyrax and you know, that's what everybody talks about all the time, every question is always about Tyra, but you know, the crazy thing is, say he doesn't win another major, say he doesn't ever get back to, he's never gonna get back to the level he played like in 2000, he doesn't want him to stuff.

But like, if he gets to his C game, that, you know, if his best game was his A game, if he could get to a C game, but he doesn't win another major, you know, you're talking about, like, not only one of the best athletes ever, but like one of the biggest disappointments ever, you know. I mean, the fact that,

I mean, if you would have a hundred golf fans in O.A. I mean it would have said how many more is he gonna win they probably would have said 10 more you know I mean honestly I was I mean he won that thing against Rocco I was like this guy could win every major now you know and you know it's just crazy because you know it's just it's insane to think I mean I think it's I think it was like on Friday or whatever or on Sunday I think that was like exactly six years you know it's just it's insane to think i mean something it's i think it's but i think it was like on friday or whatever or on sunday i think that was like exactly six years you know it's just it's crazy because you know like you have this amazing to me was so good blah blah blah like

when he when he's when we look back on it and if in ten years you never win another one you know it's gonna be pretty crazy to think the way you started the way in the yet at at i mean you know it's open on a broken leg. I feel like that doesn't get the full credit that it deserves.

You know what, 91 whole. Right. I mean, that's amazing. That's exactly right. You watch the World Cup and you guys get mixed on the thing and they're down for like 20 minutes. And then, I hear it's like, that's like, you're flimping out of these bunkers

and barely putting weight down on it. It's pretty fun. Yeah, it's crazy. It was, I mean, it's crazy to think like he does that and he, and you know, I mean, he, so he wasn't even healthy then, you know, I mean, it's just, it's just the problem. I mean, injuries obviously make sports suck more, you know, in any hard way or green hill or people like that, you know, have these injuries and never are the same, but, you know, it's just kind of, it's kind of nuts that like not only the best golf are the same, but it's just kind of nuts that not only the

best golf in the world, but probably the most popular athlete in the world, it is going through legitimately like six years of injury. It's like a primal-use career. It's just nuts. It's going to go down. I mean, like I said, if he doesn't get to 18 or if he doesn't get 15, it's going to be more reading Tiger Woods books or when our kids are reading them, know it's a big part of it it's pretty crazy I mean it's just you just can't fathom him going six years I don't think I never thought it

certainly. Yeah it's just it's a hard story to tell you're right it just doesn't really add up it's hard to really make sense of it try to tell someone it didn't live in the era you know how this all happened and the thing is after came back to need a jury in a way he was good in a nine it was on it was a scandal that and did it like he was did i get it exactly why you ain't that on did it but uh... i mean he had a lot of the white and downfall

he could have paid why you know why he could keep trying to get why you can present cost of the play that's your fault that's super high bird over a tree but i don't know how it happened to right behind a tree you know that that's shot in the world that was one of the best shots under pressure it's

that it's tiger would have hit that shot under pressure no one would stop pop that effort but why you know absolutely ruin that ruin that yeah everybody just was going away this is really gonna happen you know it But why do you have absolutely ruined that? Ruin everyone's Sunday. Yeah, everybody just was going, wait, this is really going to happen. I mean, you know, it was inevitable, but it's still pretty crazy, you know, to think about it. I read something that during the back nine, when why do you hang was either tied or had to lead in the old 9PGA bookmakers still had them

with at a 10 to 1. Like, that's how good Tiger Woods and the Foggy Fire round. They couldn't get it right. They were still taking so much money on Tiger Woods, but he came on the back nine with why he ain't seated. But I think I have no, I'm watching the 2013 British Open, but on my TV right now, and you forget how he's been close to winning majors in the last couple of years.

Right, yeah, yeah, for real. I have no doubt he's going to be back. He'll be, he'll be, once he's been close to winning majors in the last right yeah yeah i have no doubt he's going to be back he'll be he'll be once he's healthy he's going to be competing i think he at least wins another major i'm not the candidate not going to win one more but i don't i don't see five i mean you think about five majors is still make a sense career you're gonna tell me that right i'm gonna win five five of five more of those

after the age of thirty, you couldn't go that way. Yeah, I totally agree. It's a good point. I mean, you just think that once you win one, you can win five. But even if he wins one, it's not like the gates are open. These courses are too tough. And these guys are so good. I mean, every like climber,

it's a British open gusting could do that, or the speed could do it, or rows could do it. I mean, I feel like there's like 50 guys on tour that any good internament could go out there and blow the field away. You know what I mean? Bubble one about three-throw masters. You know what I mean?

Three is a pretty big margin of victory. Absolutely. That's what you think about it. Yeah, that's a different area. So I have a question for you. Go ahead. Yeah, I have a question for you. It's kind of changes it, but since we're kind of like

before the women's US Open, because I was beside my dad the day, and I said, you know, I'm legitimately excited to watch the women's US Open because it's on Pinehurst. And I want to know if that's like, you know, I'm legitimately excited to watch the women's US Open because it's on Pinehurst. And I want to know if that's like, you know, just like an individual view that's like it hurts like other golf fans. Do you think the fact that they're playing the same course that we just watched?

Do you think that that plays into like a sports fan's mind to like see it again and kind of a different group of kind of people playing it? I wouldn't say a sports fan fan mind, a golfers mind. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think that they're going to help draw casual fans into the women's u.s. open by playing it at Pinehurst 2. If it was something like a, they're a pebble going back to back, I would, I would think so. Just because more people are familiar with pebble. And I don't know about it.

I do, I do, I just kind of put into what I want to talk about with pine hers, but as someone that kind of appreciates really old courses and the natural look that pine hers had, I felt like the broadcast did do a great job of helping me visualize the whole. It kind of looked like I was seeing the same hole over and over again without really having a true appreciation for how the holes were laid out next to each other and how the elevation changes. I just couldn't really picture the shot they were trying to play. Maybe just because I had a play pine hers to really experience it, but what did you think of that big part of it?

I mean, that's a big part of that golf course is what you're saying. When I think of Piner's in my head, I played it three or four years ago, that's what I see is what you're saying is to cut through the trees and on five hitting the tee shot for me down the right side and letting it cut. That's the beauty of Piner. If you miss that, the telecast, that's us because that's one of the best parts of the whole thing. I mean, I've been there so I kind of know what it looks like. So maybe I think like, I know kind of what sticks look like

at eight and nine, but like, yeah, I mean, if you've never been there, yeah, I mean, if you didn't see it, yeah, that would be a bummer because that's to me like the beauty. I mean, you always see, you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine at a level, like you see views of it from different angles. I mean, they make sure that you really get to feel about those things look like. Yeah, you could appreciate the landscape. And I mean, granted, I probably, I mean, I think you and I are in the, in the, as far as people that pay attention to the game, I appreciate the nuances a lot more than, say

what the target market is, I guess, when they're trying to pull in viewership numbers. But as someone, I don't want a ton of women to go off. I do enjoy it when I do watch it, but I'm gonna be tuned in at least for some of this weekend, just because I wanna see how the women play this course. And the fact that they're playing courses at the men play, I mean, I'm very intrigued to see how they play it, differently than the guys do.

I think the way women play the game, guys can learn a ton from like a ton from i think they've been and regular golfers if you like regular golfers don't ever need to read an article about how does the job and swings mean right now you're not

it's never happening trust me like you're not gonna get you're not at forty eight years old to get swing speed that's one point eight is not gonna happen so you know i mean i just feel like more people can it what you're not at 48 years old gonna get swing speed that's 128 it's not gonna happen so you know I mean I just feel like more people can know what you're saying is is watch the LPGA and see how they play golf. See how they got the baller on granted they're way better than everybody that's listening or played golf but you know in the sense of like distances and and trajectories and stuff like that you know you can get a feel for the way Stacy Lewis plays golf you know if you're a

45 year old male golfer you know I male golfer, you're probably not going to hit it as far as they do, but at least you can understand. That's one of the things I've kept on getting on the LPGH tour for probably four or five six tournaments for a couple of friends of mine. Being there made me a fan, simply because I think that they're not as big as superstars. So I think the way they not only handle life, but handle fans, programs, stuff like that. I think they're not in a way that PJs work out too. But I was just amazed at how good they were.

It absolutely made me. Some girl you've never heard of and she hit every drive down the little fairway. It's these irons like clothes. You know, I mean, I'm not an idiot. I understand that the OK is the best professional women golfers in the world are going to be good. But I think when you actually get out, they're kind of watch it like, you know, first hand or, you know, in person. I think it helps kind of understand just how talented they are.

It's cool to see because what's the winnings we're going to be this week? Going to be five under, going to be two over who knows. But playing that golf course, even from a couple of teas up, it's going to play very similar to how the men played it. And we're going to be able to get the ball around the 60s, 60s, 67s. It's fun to, and I've become more and more of an LPGA band, not just from work, but just kind of like you said, Tune or the End or whatever. And I think this has been probably the best year ever for them.

And it's helped a little bit. Really, it's kind of helped with Tiger being gone, with the majors not really being that exciting. I mean, like this week, if it's closed, golfing's my tune into this. More than they would, Morton Connery, and I by eight, you know? Just very true. Very true. I think, I mean, it may be saving the obvious here, but like I don't enjoy watching women

basketball because I mean, I was a high school basketball player and I feel like I honestly could compete out there. But the women, golfers, I could not compete with. I mean, I'm like a two handicap myself myself but they would absolutely wipe the floor with me and the fact that they had to be with their always in the fairway and they just make it look so easy with a middle iron like it's no it's no big deal even like up to their hybrids to make it look like it's no big deal to just put on the side of the green from you know one ninety for them is probably equivalent to maybe 240 for a male tour pro. But the fact that they make it look so easy, I feel like,

the PGA tour guys play it at such a length that nothing really looks easy. I don't think it ever looks easy, but the women, the way they play the game, I feel like, just make it look so much more simple. You don't need to swing a million miles an hour. You don't need to crush drive. You just need to play to your spots and be consistent, that's what I'm still impressed with. Yeah, and it's kind of funny because you know every time a US Open plays somewhere or whatever, and there's a short par-thor-read and plays tough, kind of like Nine did it, and Nine didn't play super tough, but play tough enough. We thought that makes some big numbers.

I always, you always see, you know, golf people and golf media people and stuff say something to the effect of, you know, a long, it's not, you know, distance doesn't make a tough it's, you know, it's a good hole could be 150 yards and be, you know, a gray hole. We see a table, we see a gust, you know. And it's funny because we stretch these US-opened out for the man. I mean, you know, it played 74, I think, and change. And the women's are going to be like 68 and change or something. I mean, yeah, they're longer, but, you know, some of the shorter holes, I mean, that's the best hole to pine earth. And it doesn't have to be a really long golf hole for it to be to make the course difficult. You know, that's why sometimes I think it's goofy that these courses do all this stuff.

And you're like, like my hometown golf course in the Marshall and East Texas, it's a short, short golf course. But when they have tournaments there, when they have guys come in for big stuff, you know, they just get the rough off, you know, make the greens pretty slick and you can make it tough that way.

And I just, I hate sometimes that we have to make every par four, five hundred yards. You know, it's like, it doesn't seem like it really, it's nothing else. It just makes you want to hit driver harder. Like, get a down there a little bit. But it can be cool to you. I'm excited about this week for sure. I mean, I'm kind of with you.

It'll be, I think it'll be, I think it's like all people watch. You know, it's cool. And I was going to tell you the one funny thing about LPJ players, well, not all the players, but one of my friends that I can, you know, you're saying they're always in the fairway. So she missed the fairway, and we were in Royal Melbourne, and she missed the fairway.

And the ball was like, it was just up against a bush kind of, but not really like that bad and she's like i'm she told she's taking on playable and i mean i hit the ball everywhere i mean i'm not straight at all no i mean i was it oh yeah i mean i was it any goofy shot to get out of trouble up to i just green or something

and i i'd drive her off the deck a lot that by the way that's the best shot that amateurs need to play you always have to drive her off the deck if you're in's the best shot that amateurs need to play. You always have to drive off the deck if you're in trouble. It stays low. You're going to beat up that. But she was taking a play, but I'm like, just punch it out. It's just funny. They get so many fairways that I feel like when they get into any trouble, I mean, well,

not all of them. But some of them, you know, it just was funny to me that me and you wouldn't know exactly what to do, you know, because we miss fairways, you know it it's just was funny to me that that me and you would know exactly what to do you know because we miss fairways you know and we miss fairways that a consistent clip but it was just crazy you know it was such an air in t-shirt that it was a a shock in the system almost alike you know what the hell you're supposed to do that is that is crazy i mean i feel like

this week that the fairways played pretty wide that a lot that guys were hitting a lot of fair like this week, the fairways played pretty wide. A lot of the guys were hitting a lot of fairways this week. The women are going to be in the Native area at all. Obviously there's going to be some balls there, but I feel like, first of all, the Native area we can talk about, I don't feel like was that punishing to begin with. I like how that played, but I feel like the women are going to be in the Emmys Fairways the entire week. A lot. Yeah, I could see that for sure.

Yeah, yeah. It's just, you know, I mean, it is like the native aerial idea. It is, I mean, is it better for golf because these guys can hit shots even when they miss fairways? Maybe, maybe I agree with that. And obviously the players might think it's a rough one, but it's fine. Right. I don't understand. If you're at a US Open and you miss a's like, I think it's a rough wasn't five long. Right. I don't understand, if you're at a US Open and you miss a fairway,

I feel like you should be penalized, at least a little bit. And I mean, 9 out of 10, 19 out of 20 lies, these guys were hitting golf shots out of them, like getting good shots, like, kind of a way that he'd go on a Saturday, like, are you hitting me? I mean, he was in the native area, he had a 20-yard draw, you know,

it was like, and he had a perfect shot. I just, I didn't think like, I just almost felt like it was a luck game for the guys, He was in the native area, he had a 20-yard draw. He had a perfect shot. I just almost felt like it was the luck game for the guys. Like, roll the die. You might hit it in a bad lie, but probably not. So it was just hit driver every hole. Well, I guess Jeff Shackleford tweeted this. I've never heard of this stat before.

Do you understand the stat cost of rough? No, yeah, I don't need it. So whatever this stat means, cost of rough and the 99 US Open was 0.303 and the 0.5 US Open was 0.368, and the 14 US Open was 0.301. So I guess it played some, I don't know how that's calculated, but this point was the rough was playing similar from a penalty standpoint to the previous two US Open to Pinehurst. I think if they could do it over again, or I think the USG with James hoping that it

would have played a little bit more up and down than it did, I think the guys weren't really afraid to hit it in that section, which makes double couple of lots of strategy, and that much more confusing than we talked about that. Right, yeah. It's funny you said that I thought the same thing. I was looking at some stuff today. I do a winters loser thing, and I was trying to find some clothes from him. Yeah, like, why would he not have drawn from every hole? I feel like it was good to know. That was his way of whining before the term even started i feel like he was

defeated and she didn't get up uh... and i really i really totally so funny brought that up i seriously looked at that today and i was like this really doesn't make a ton of sense like it yet every night for sure

and that should have played right in the tent he He should have just been bombing the ball down there. Yeah. I mean, I didn't get into the green. Yeah. It's a cover shot all the time. Right, he comes in so steep, that's the tan stuff is not going to matter. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, it's Ted Scott to stay okay. Yeah. Yeah. Fine, man. You hit a full iron on every hole. That's fine. I just, you know, you're right.

It's super confusing. That was really confusing. That was, I mean mean every guy in the field think about watching the last two days I mean I'm gonna hire driver all the time to get iron on like one like thirteen it was like yeah you know he's rubber 18 did me yeah he did on yeah yeah he didn't trash and shipped out of whatever yeah I think weird but there had to be test god's idea to do that knowing bubble you definitely

point that point the uh... point the arrow in test got direction on that one uh... what did you would you think about me because everyone's kind of talking about thanks to donald trump giving us his expert opinion on how golf course and look the the brown nature and we got we got a question sorry, I don't have the gentleman who sent in the question, but the question was, do you, getting enough people appreciate, you know, kind of a natural look of a course to cope with, you know, they're looking, I get from a casual

fan of viewpoint, you could say the course looks ugly on TV, you know, if you don't appreciate those kind of things. Like, do you think, I commend the USDA for the setup and the appearance and the way it looks, but do you think that hurt them, I guess, in the ratings and kind of the way the tournament plays? You know, I don't think so. I really mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm just biased here.

Maybe I have a bad, maybe I'm like the bad person to ask because I love lean skulls and I love when it's like that. But it seems strange to me that people would not tune in because the course wasn't lush and green. If you're going to watch, you know, you know, US opens are tough and there meant to be a tough test and it's like the fairways are dried out on the size for the rolling in the rough like i don't know maybe i'm giving

casual people too much credit but like it i i i just think like radians to me radians are down when it's not interesting you know like that's that's my whole thing like yeah i like the rate like the masters like the masters ratings are down because it wasn't a good back nine at all like it was like Bubba made one bird email is a two-pull like it was really really boring like nobody made any birdies nobody hit any shots Bubba had a three shot lead he kind of lost a victory there was no excitement at all you know there wasn't even like a random like Ted

Pertiole and one or something I mean you know it know, it's like, there was nothing. And so, you know, to me, that's why nobody watches. It's not, I mean, yeah, Radiance is going to be down because it's Tigre's not there. But if Bubba and Phil were battling on Sunday at the Masters, like people are going to watch that, you know. I mean, if it's a one shot leader, if they're tied, like the Radiance aren't going to be that much worse than a Tiger US Open or Tiger Masters.

But, you know, the guy is H. Shot Lead, and I was talking a stepping way about the shift today, and we were kind of disagreeing. But I would say, you know, I, like, I mean, I just think people don't, they play to see Morton Kimer as, you know, I mean, basically, as a guy that they, there's not a lot of connection with for the casual fan, no offense to Martin Kimer. So I just, well, he's just playing golf and being himself.

But, and, you know, worry is a guy we connect with because he's super young. He's the next in line. You know, he's the anointed one by us if nobody else. But, you know, you want to see those guys, you know, you want to see, you want to see you know, a new Superstar like Kevin Durant score 50 in a playoff game. You know, right after you want to be, you know, because we think he might be historical for some weird reason that power. I feel like our brains work, you know, I agree completely. That's what I feel like if Steve had won this by H.O.D. the hype machine would have been absolutely out of

control, you know. I feel like if people were to want a young American kid, I mean, you know, he would have, he would have blown, I mean, he wouldn't have been worried ratings probably, but it might have been. It probably was not going to catch a good one, but it was blowouts go right. I agree with you. And it's nothing. Again, there's no offer or anything to what Kimer did or who Kimer is. I think the guy's awesome. I think he did a really good job the whole week of just kind of like handling it and answering honest questions.

I mean, I think he's way better at that than people probably even know. And I think he showed that, but like, you know, I mean, my dad watches every golf tournament and he told me that he was like switching between it and soccer, you know, and my dad, he was golfing. So I mean, you know, you understand, I mean, it's pathetic side, and there's,

there's, and you know, these ratings can be down too because there's the biggest in it, Software tournament in the world on TV. You know, like, you're like, I'm gonna watch this or I'm gonna watch song, or you're like, yeah, I mean, I'll at least go tune it in and see what it's like. You know, I mean, if you don't care about the World Cup. Yeah, and look, I hate actually hate talking about TV ratings. I don't work in the TV. Me too. I have to.

Whether or not anyone, like, whether I'm the only one that watched it or if the entire world watched it, I enjoy a tournament the same regardless. Like I said, I'm not an advertiser, I don't work in one of the networks. The ratings should only matter to those people. But I just felt like the ratings were extremely low. I was at the stock how low they were. But a lot of people don't like to watch a death march i mean it and it was a it was absolute

met a blowout i wanted to watch it because of that and i i i'm starting develop a man crush on currently i think he's it i think it's a extremely classic i love the way he approaches the game approaches uh... the media and he has just i thought he didn't get real real fair shake i wrote about the number each app by by the american fan there was and it only takes a couple who will get through really kind of real in it and

they are audible on tb but people root for his ball roll off the green and uh... just cut given a couple cheers whenever you miss a putt it's not the writer cup i don't even really condone that much the writer cup. He actually handled it with class. He said the fans were great, but I thought he deserved a lot better than that. It's all for me to see. My thing about that is like are you surprised? I mean, that doesn't surprise me in the least that the people would be, you know, like, I feel like you see that anytime it's anything like that. You know, if Bob may have the putt and misses and people cheer because they're tiger fans,

you know, it's like, I feel like that happens at everything and it doesn't surprise. You know, you actually kind of have to give kind of credit for making a couple of goodies on the back nine, you know, on Sunday. I mean, if you hadn't done that, it would have been the bobbin thing. You know, it would have been just a whole bunch of bars. You know, you made a couple of putts and hit a couple of her days on the back nine you know yeah on sunday i mean if you had a done that it would have it would have been the bubble thing you know it would have been just a whole bunch of bars uh... you know we made a couple of five to get a couple good shots it just um... i mean yeah of course people are idiot that they are cheering this guy but to

me like i expect that kind of stuff these days yeah i would like you know when guys scream after t-shirts like yeah these people are ridiculous but you know i mean and let's you kick them out out probably not gonna change you know so uh... it's funny though you know it's funny with individual score like okay when the heat play

the spurs and the heat do something spurs and they're just like boon and yellow you know all names and hold up fine you know but it's funny like when it's in the end and it's not doesn't even face people, right? But I always think it's funny like with end of its tennis. I mean, I do tennis. I do golf. You know, if people are like if fans are like mean on court, like people get really offended by it, you know, it's kind of crazy And I guess it's probably just because it's an individual and you feel bad for the person as opposed to seeing it like a team, but

Yeah, you know, it's it's definitely interesting think like, you know, we don't have any connection with Martin Kimer at all, right? But you don't, you feel bad if he gets sued. I mean, on his way to winning a million dollars, it's like, oh man, I feel bad for that guy. His life is just way better now. It's like, it is kind of funny. You know, and if it was a, if you would have had the option of Martin counter win by eight or Martin counter

between the one by one overfowler, like you're probably going to pick the one by one, which means that kind of what have had to screw up. So, and I think we're all kind of pretty firm to screw up, just because you have to hold the manage. That's what I said that on the front desk. Anyone you see on Twitter saying, I'm just hoping it's exciting. They're really saying, I hope, because I just just starts melting down makes this thing. Yeah exactly. I mean I was I opened and said it indefinitely you know I yeah I was hoping that Ricky

Fowler would birdie one and two and kind of make a bogey and it'd be a you know a three shot deal and we could talk about Ricky Fowler for four hours you know but you know that didn't happen. Okay so, okay, so what are you with your your Dustin guy or Ricky guy? Do you think Ricky doesn't get a fair shake? Is that right? Say that again, I'm sorry. Okay, so I feel like there's one young guy that you feel it doesn't get a fair shake. Like Ricky or I think I think it's Ricky, right? Yeah, I think Ricky. Ricky got a ton of fans and he gets marketed as by the PGA Tour, by Puma, and by the fact he has a ton of fans.

He gets marketed as a superstar. And for that, I think he kind of catches some heat from people that point to only the one win, right? And then he gets kind of painted as all style and no substance, which I don't think is fair. I think that he doesn't want a lot. And this is actually perfect transition to what I want to talk about next. And I feel like Tiger has kind of screwed up or skewed the way people view winning on the PGA tour. And it fills that matter and some of the guys that have won so much, they make it look like

like 10 times the winning season. They could deal to win multiple tournaments, even some like Jimmy Walker or Patrick Reed and last year each one three tournaments, they could look like it's not that big a deal to win tournaments. I'm stating the obvious here, but it's so hard to win a PTA tour. It's really, really hard. And you look at Fowler's tournament this week. I mean, one guy beat him.

Yeah, he lost by, like I beat him by eight, but he beat 153 other players or 54 other players tied with confidence. And it got beat by one guy. And I feel like that is more of a measure of somebody's performance than, you know, the fact, oh, he didn't win, runner up. You know, no one's going to remember who the runner up from you. Oh, I, okay, so yeah, yeah, okay, so I get your point and I, and this is kind of something I preach as well because it's the same argument I have with people that say when I say that was a good pot on Twitter and

they didn't make it. Yes, people go, it's not a good put if it didn't go in and I'm like, no, that's a really good put. It just either didn't break as much as he thought or you know, he maybe wouldn't have best read, but he hit a really good putt. You know, we didn't want to do an aerobal with it. It's a gun. And that's like the same thing as it's like

like i said something about jason day i i tweeted out something on sunday i said you know if you're gonna buy stock and somebody to win the next major i think jays you don't have to look past jason day you know we've been played me played in fifteen majors and he's finished in the top ten seven times i mean that's i mean that's that's ridiculous that's like michaelton stuff you know when michaelton used to do that all the time and and like you said and and of course i have people that say he's not a finstuck you know when michael finstuck used to do that all the time and and like you said and then of course i have people that's big he's not a closure but one of the other

he hasn't yet you know that's enclosed yet or he hasn't got the break yet i mean you know there's a lot of major winners uh... geff ogleby that with one major is because the other guy screwed up if he didn't or he did he just maintain and somebody you know gave it to him like that happens a lot too and you know what Jeff Ogleby's a major winner if you were like well you know can Jeff win majors everybody would answer yes 100% would answer yes when in actuality he's never really been in that position to close the major championship out he just played

well the last day made a put on 18 and then let someone call the gunry hit each other's ball. You know it's like yeah it's that it's funny so that's something I always I always look at that with this stuff like like when Baba has a three shot lead on going into Sunday and you know at a major that when the next time he does that or if he has a two shot lead and you go you know yeah Baba's won a major before but he wasn't leading going into that you know he had to play well just like D they're like the next time that there's in that position i mean that was losing by three to fear going last day his mentality is to make bird you know if you're trying to hold on to the

steering wheel so you know to me it's like you have to look sometimes pass that stuff and i agree with you on the win we look at wins a lot as as the end all be all i mean if you see here watch like part of the eruption or something may only care about when but yet like edition of five of the pj tour of it is really amazing yeah i mean it uh...

so just think about it it's martin kimer hurt his wrist before the u.s. open through like it martin was in the field that's what could happen i mean like that happens all the time or kimer wasn't feeling well this week, or something like that. Something that's completely out of valor's control, stop temperament in the US open. Yeah, he could have shot nine shots lower if you want to make that argument, but it's like, you look at a leaderboard, they're all just numbers up there, and you forget the effort that kind of go in into

getting there, you know, and it, a lot of people are saying, you know, no one really made a run at Kimer. It's like, no one really makes runs in the US open, you know, like you used to ride. Yeah, I'm really moving. That's just right. Yeah, totally agree. Right, you know, it's like the tiger thing when people like tires never come back to win a major. And you're you know not a lot of people have i mean it doesn't you know guy don't start five back in majors and shoot sixty five on the final day very often you know it's not filled it last year at the british out sixty six i mean that's like a rarity you know i'm so rare you know like it's a

Miller thing yeah johnny miller talked about a sixty three a, but it is probably one of the most amazing golf rounds ever played So yeah, you know like I kind of get it. I would probably so we talk about it too I still I talk about my whenever I shoot 73. I'll talk about that for a year later But absolutely I saw scorecards I kept when I when I shoot 68 It's like that. I that i'm talking about an extent i'd be up bring it back to uh... the bronca me later the bronca pain it is the guy that couldn't close in the

fourth quarter that all of a sudden became more important than him playing forty six great minutes you know and you forget about the game for he was so good that no one could get near him at the end of the game like that why is he punished for that that doesn't mean he was so good that no one could get near him at the end of the game. Why is he punished for that? That doesn't mean he's not clutch. He's extremely clutch.

People look way too much at stuff right at the end and people kept saying all of the climbers didn't the players championship. This isn't over. That was never endowed. I think that was the bad thing was over before it started. I said I think I honestly thought it was over on friday afternoon like it did i think that he could lose absolutely but i mean if i went back and looked at the way i was thinking and and playing out

stuff like that was the day i mean it and he's shooting fifty five sixty five power said i mean power city played a different all-time and i thought that was a good comment and it was a true comment you know so yeah i mean i agree with you i i heard somebody i was a good comment. It was a true comment. I agree with you. I heard somebody I was a new podcast that they were talking about, NBA, and they're talking about LeBron and Durant.

They said, these people, dry wind the season over, whatever they go, what happened to the heat, what happened to the thunder. They finished second and third. They didn't win. They didn't win. How we count stuff. Of all the teams in the NBA, their team finished second and third. You know, it's like, they're pretty good, you know? And I mean, it's fine.

I understand if you want to get on team if they lose. But yeah, I mean, I think golf a little bit different. I mean, golf, you have to be every player, you know, to be every guy. So like you said, it's like, you beat 154 of the best players in the entire world. And one guy beats you. That's pretty good.

You know, that's, you play, that's not losing. Like, that is an extremely good week. That's my entire point is like, you, with, you play, shoot up that many guys and that many good players to be almost, all of them at one is an extremely good result. And we kind of, we've had an internal argument between us, no, wait, up guys guys about Matt Koocher in that regard. And our, our, our, our, our guys, they, they think that Koocher kind of doesn't take

enough, doesn't get enough heat for not winning as much. And this was, we had this argument before he won the heritage, you know, he had several cool calls in a row, leading up to the heritage. My point was, they pointed at his top 10 compared to the amount of wins he had as an indictment. I said, if you can have 15 top 10s and 5 wins, that's a ton better than 10 top 10s, 5 wins. Being close and not winning is way better than not being in the mix or missing the cut. I'm not saying it's from a money standpoint.

I'm sitting from a performance standpoint. It kind of goes along with the worry. When Ror is back-doring all these top 10s, it's like, look, it's a four-day-gift alternative. Every round counts the same. I get, he wasn't hitting, you know, playing some of these shots under the Sunday pressure that he would have been if he was in the top 10 going into it but it's

still like that's not a it shouldn't be like people look at like backdoor top 10s that they have an atroquence they don't really count. Right. Right. Yeah. It takes four rounds. You know. Yeah. I mean like you said he's not playing a different T on Sunday than the leaders. I mean it's the same golf course. It's just right. I I mean, he's, and he was in the lead and he'd mentioned it, he was in the lead about those because he wanted to be in contention. But yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, Keegan Bradley and Jason Day and those guys kind

of back toward top 10's here. But let me tell you, they'll take them, you know. It's more money and it's a better finish. And they, and they, and they played a great round on Sunday at a US Open that they can look back on if they're ever in that contention or something. So yeah, it's, it's, yeah, I mean, I, okay, like the speech stuff. Like I think the Kutur argument is almost like now the speech argument where he keeps finishing

top 10 and is not winning. And like, you know, I think there's a level of this. There's a level of it where I agree with one side of you guys because I think that I agree with you in the sense that top 10 and top 5s and top 3s need more attention than they get. Because only one guy wins that week, there could be 10 to 20, 30 guys that play well if you really think about it. But if I go off up to the US Open, if I shot 72, 73 and made the cut and shot 75, 75 on

the weekend, and I finished 29. That would be an enormous week, and I would have played an incredible golf. But I mean, my golf game doesn't allow me to go out there and shoot 65-65 at a US Open. I mean, it's just not gonna happen. So, you know, in a sense, if Ricky Valor's not playing this best golf one weekend finishes ninth, would kind of like a beer sea game.

Like, yeah, it matters. But, you know, to the other side of the point, you do need to eventually win. I think if it's finished in time for eight, three weeks in a row, you've got to be happy with the way you're playing, but you're going to start getting frustrated with because there's an idea of what am I doing wrong to not finish third or second, or what am I doing to finish second and not win these things. To me, when Futures throw in all this this away, to me that mattered to him. You know, that's an

important thing to him because he's getting where he wants to get every week and can't close it out. And you know, it's a hard thing to get past if you start getting those kind of doubts up in your mind. So, yeah, I mean, it kind of goes both ways. But I mean, you know, it's top 10s need to get more credit. And when guys like, when people blast tire for finishing like four to the you know, it's top 10's need to give more credit. And when guys like, when people blast Tiger for finishing like four to the US open, it drives me to have to maintain. And everybody does it.

You're like, oh, man, he played trash. You finish third and you're like, you've started the US open. Like, that's like a crazy thing to do. I mean, he does it all the time. And if you can, it's like, we need to beat him off or something. Yeah, Tiger fails to come through again, but not I agree. He does it all the time. It's like we need to beat him off or something. Yeah, Tiger fails to come through again, but not I agree.

If Fowler goes his whole career with one win, that is going to be a huge question mark. I'm not saying that he doesn't have to win tournaments. I think just that he's like, what, 24 or 25 now? The fact that his only one win get highlighted, I just think is kind of ridiculous. Like, there's not that many guys that have won multiple tournaments that at his age i mean but i get that you know he's in the line light a lot people

in you know people can argue whether not he deserves to be based on the merits of his accomplishments i get that but i i just think the guy you know he is a flashy clothes and he gets a lot of attention for that but he does he's not really that kind of person i i love his overall class he gets it he's a true professional uh... your our guy a cloud portal wrote a great article about how what is like

the play golf that during pro-an and print really understand that in not like not be like this cocky and really truly flashy guy i i i i just think that the hype that he's gotten for because of the flashy clothes doesn't really match his personality. I think that he's just a guy that we should be supporting more than tearing down on that thing between me and you. I just feel like the media in general can kind of, they want too much out of them right now for what he is. I love the swing changes and the results have shown great.

So far this year I think. Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, and if you keep doing this, he's going to win. So yeah, it'll happen. But yeah, it brings up one of my favorite arguments and points is, is it better to be Ricky Fowler, a flashy guy that is on every poster board if he's playing in a tournament. And obviously, I get money from sponsors and stuff because of that. Or is it better to be somebody like Drew Weekly or somebody even lesser who has been on tour for 15 or 20 years

and nobody really knows who they are and they can still go to dinner and not get bombarded? I mean, it's better. And I mean, you can really take it either way. And I mean, I thought about this a lot. I mean, is it better to be a role player air be the broad because you know role player you can pretty much you know live a life like a normal person yes i'll tell you the answer that question it's it you want to be scotler plank

that's you want to be yeah you know i agree with you twenty it's all time all time it's a tour earnings and you can go anywhere he wants to absolutely very well nobody would nobody would nobody like he would he would go to a restaurant and like legit nobody might know who he is like like legitimately like not one person in there would be like oh man who's over that scoffer

plank and nobody's ever said that before ever in scoffer pain fly right no no scoffer plank over there he's still like I don't think it is a medic fight I mean no sense of the cover playing just you know it'd be I mean it's just how it is I mean I'm sure every you'll fall against it every single place he goes yep yep so I guess sliding on one topic you did mention also first of all I thought there was weight you know it's gonna happen regardless but there's too much attention on bill going into the u.s. open i personally did not think he had a chance that we

discussed taking them in our column we decided against the be subterm out for jason day the last second just there was no signs they were making think he was going to content that the tournament but the putt and they know that no that no time to answer the end of the time to issue that you know you're right i mean i i mean how can you think he's just going to click it at the u.s. open i mean he's done it before but it's always been like

like what you want that master's one year you wouldn't play very well but he liked what's finishing this he said what he was like shooting fifty six like a couple times a tournament you know now he's like not playing well at all the least he comes into the studio so we're like i mean he's not he can make it

i mean i put his putting stroke in my like losers call today like you're you're going to win the u.s. open you can't you can't go up to make a five-footer in your changing putting strokes mid-turn in it like but you're not going to win i mean i think he also didn't think so like you think he went in really thinking he was going to win that? No, there's no way. I mean, he had to be looking at his last results and not really actually.

He finished, I think, 12 shots back at Pinehurst in 2005. Like, people acted like this was like a dream set up for him. I didn't understand that really at all. You can't talk. You need to, we're going to have to edit that out. You cannot talk about the 2005 you had to go in that's right. Yeah, you that didn't happen The other than that was never a 2005 Michael. There's not a Michael Campbell. There's probably Michael Campbell I just we don't know him

And yeah, you see the we just delete this part out because you think that's not what the old pride was That's what we actually did. It was easy to forget how good Michael Campbell was back then. I mean, he completely just disappeared after winning the US Open, but yeah, you're right. What's that good? Are you just trying to be nice? I don't know if he was that. That's not what I was just trying to be nice,

but I actually didn't know what to say. No, I know, but I mean, I'm actually looking up at stats right now that's not good just to try to be nice but actually did but i mean i'm a little i'm what i'm actually looking up it's that right now because you're talking about like he's been second coming alright so he was one great ranked in the top twenty in the world

like for a right so i'm not saying wasn't i'm not saying wasn't good i'm just right i don't know if i would be like he was great. He won the 05. He was open. He won Seven other Euro tour events. He won the world match play. That's pretty good. Yeah, he won the open Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, he's won eight times worldwide and a couple of weird tournaments I mean, he won the Johnny walk classic and Yeah, I mean, okay fine, I'll agree with you. He was a very adequate golfer as a professional, who won a major.

He tied her fifth at the open and tied her sixth at the TGA after winning that and then never had another major top 10. That's crazy. He literally must have forgot what he, I mean, that's a bummer. That's the worst thing to be as a pro gol. But just completely loses it when you're like 35. Yeah, going off into the wilderness. But no, I mean, from 2000 to 2005, he was in the top 100.

He wasn't Sean McEill with my point. But I mean, it was, he did just steal at US Open. Anybody but him would have been a better story. And he was fine to steal. And I mean, it's cool. I mean, it was fun i i didn't mind it when you want i mean i i know that a lot of people acted like it never happened but

you know he'd be tiger i mean that's the coolest thing to say this generation is you want to turn it be tiger me he gets to say it like we said why you ain't you know about what's his name what was the guy uh... rich being the tiger birdie's last four holds

yeah pain to think that rich being held off tiger would be pretty to find four holes in the picture should didn't win but rich being should get like a million bucks a year from time to come and i think that's so much that that well i mean what you got a discount though because you know that tiger was never come for behind a major so it So it's for an asterisk. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Yeah. That one's out. Side to side. Out. All right. You also floated this questionnaire. Getting away from PGA Tour Golf and we've been running on close to an hour here.

So we'll take up much more of your time. But music on the course, good or bad. OK. We'll take up much more of your time, but music on the course, good or bad. Okay, did you ask your guys what they think? I kind of wanted like, multiple answers here. What do you think? Well, so I grew up playing, I played a kind of golf at the kid and through high school. So I still take golf pretty seriously when I play

I'll eat definitely drink beer several beers I You're one of those oh man. I will so you still you still you still think are you still think you're gonna make it You still think you're gonna click one day. I want to know I'm as good right now as I ever will be with my current like swing in game I don't think I ever I hit the ball well. I can't put I mean I should never criticize those fingers I can't make a putt say my life I am here not gonna make those five footers either no no This will be quite far. I mean it's incredible how I can't make a putt

but No, I don't I have no hope to really make it. If I choose to, like, I don't have that many friends that are really good at golf that make it competitive. I have a lot of friends that I can go out and drink beers with and play with, but I only have one friend I grew up with. When we go play, we're not just a beer,

I'll give them two aside, and we'll grind it out and it's really competitive. A lot of my friends aren't really that competitive. And that's the most fun for me. I love to play a good, hard-nosed competitive event, but I don't have a lot of friends over that competitive, you know? So I think I'm not doing that. I'm doing that for here, but go ahead.

Well, I mean, I listen to music on it. I mean, I never around to go off on play now. Actually, I did get told last year during the match to turn it off. But I've got to make triple on the first hold though. So I've lodged. But yeah, I don't know. It's just funny to me. I feel like this is like a very split thing.

People really have your view. Or it's still kind of like a serious quiet like, you know, quiet time to be out there and like, you know, being you around. And there's people like the men's, the by play in where it's like, you, where you don't have a speaker in your golf cart. What are you poor? Like, what's wrong with you? So it's just like, it's funny because I feel like everybody I know now, like, out, as I'm seeing it especially, I mean, you know, we're always kind of jamming out and I

mean, I have like a couple of speakers that I'll bring and I won't bring both I'm saying I have a couple options I don't want to bring two speakers like I'm out there like bumping bumping. You're just a subwoofer, a subwoofer on your car. Are there still a thing? People still do that. I'm all in a state of that. There's still a thing that the young kid do in their car rocker, rocker, rocker, positive, or whatever it's called.

No, it's funny because I really do see people, like Omigolp was going to look at us and be annoyed. And I'm like, I'm really not, I'm not, I'm not playing it, I'm going to pro-pregate. I mean, I play chill stuff because I'm in golf so it's going to be chill. But yeah, if people get really mad, they really don't like it, it's funny.

It's different. Like, I can't stay, I have ever played around a golf where I just had music playing the whole time. But like if you did it on the first scene, it went all the way through the round. That wouldn't bother me. But I feel like, all right, that's the way you have your cart up next to me hitting a shot. And then the next one, your 50 yards away and I could just like kind of hear the music. That may be distracting. You know what I mean? It's like volume is different every time I'm hitting. I don't know. I'm kind of weird mentally like that but you can. If I'm really far away

then you can't, when you will be able to dance to it or sing along. I mean if you can't hear that you use bummer too. But yeah. Yeah it's you know it's kind of a way to do stuff and I mean I might one of my rules, this is a great music rule. If anybody's still listening. A great music rule is let the passenger pick the Pandora station or whatever. And then they can pick the band. And then you guys can listen to whatever that.

Like I'd like you to pick whoever you want to play. And we'll play in the whole round. And it'd be pretty fun. And before you know it, you might actually go by a speaker. So there you go. I guess I have to work for a speaker company. How did you get started doing that though? I mean you grew up playing competitive golf.

I mean what kind of... Oh you got to be a plus, right? I'm... Oh it's shrinking. I just got the email. I'm a plus O's. I'm a plus 0. a plus point six now. And like last year, about this time, I was like, I would have played really well.

I had really good year last year. But last year, at the one point, I was like a plus five. And I was like, well, this is getting really silly. And it's just dwindled back down to reality. Went to last eight months. You're like, oh, there you go. There it is. I guess, yeah, there you go. I guess, yeah, how did you get started listening to music while playing golf? You didn't grow up doing that. You weren't playing competitive events. Yeah, I mean, it was, you know what I was trying to think.

It was just one of those, I mean, I like listening to music when we do stuff. And, you know, like, I like bottom. Like speaker, so when we go cruise around, you know, we have a speaker that we can listen to and stuff. So, just like something like that, I think I just one day was like, I don't know, bring this little Bluetooth speaker out on the golf course so we can listen to music in between, you know, waiting 30 minutes between shots. And then, you know, it just kind of became a staple. You know what else we bring? We bring a football, too. If we know it's going to be slow, so if it's like, you got

a way, we've brought it. Yeah, it's like, you know, if you play this cramble, it's obviously going to be super slow, especially if your team is any good. And we bring a football and we'll throw it on the cheese or whatever when we're waiting to tee off. And let me tell you, it'll pass the time. You can play a five hour round of field like it's been like three and a half. Right. Well, RF, I'll tell you what, I'll be leading to my next question as to what to do while

waiting in a slow round of golf. But RF, my favorite game I play with my buddy is when we call it hockey. It's pretty darn simple. There's two sets of T's within the same P box and I'm guarding the blue T's. He's guarding the white T's. You are playing hockey. It's a great idea. Oh, it's awesome.

You're playing hockey with it. So is the whole goal between the T's? Yes, the whole goal is between the T's. So you can play this at with, you know, it could be a 10 yard difference, it could be a 25 yard difference. But the rule, you like smoke it at them? Well, here's the rule. So you have to play with the driver,

and you can't score by the ball going over your opponent's driver. So if the ball is bouncing, and the opponent has a driver on the ground, and it goes over it, it's no goal. So you can only score by either beating him left or right, or him just like whiffing on your ball. And if a ball is bouncing and the opponent has a driver on the ground and it goes over it, it's no goal. So you can only score by either beating him left or right or him just like whiffing on your ball. But if it's bouncing, as it crosses the opponent's driver, no goal. And look at the interest. You're playing with your driver and you try to decom.

And you have to try to get enough speed on it to get it by end, but without it bouncing, because it goes up the count. And you can only descend, you can descend it with either side of your drive, so you can like stop on the ball of your driver or whatever way you want to do it. Okay. Now, can you, if you're on offense, do you get to like move off and stuff? Yeah, you can do it. You can have this slide between your height. It's live. You can do whatever you want. You can dribble it. That brings the whole element of risking your driver getting getting dinked up by by your opponent coming out That's right. Yeah, so if you're playing with somebody that's good when you think you're when they send him free, you know, yeah, I would bring an old

Yeah, when you get to just use them, it's like this is this is gonna be an easy game, but hey, that's okay I'll try that now. I'm gonna try the next time instead of the. Instead of the football, I feel like my friends will think that's fun. Yeah, it's good. You can keep it competitive too. I mean, we just play poison back in the day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We got kind of bored of that and we turned it into hockey in it. It makes it does make the time fly by pretty quickly. This is a brilliant idea. I'm taking them. If anything I learned from this podcast is going to be this amazing game. I'm waiting between the workshops and tired of sitting in your cart and staring

in straight ahead. That's what I said. We need to go with the first take style and start to agree with something. We agree with each other. We agree with each other. We have to make a good, really interesting debate podcast. So, well, all right, now I'll take another up your time. I can't thank you enough for coming on. This is a blast for us. Anyone still listening? This was Shane Bacon on with us. You can follow him on Twitter, ask Shane Bacon if I can get this right again.

He's the editor of Yahoo's Devil Ball Golf Blog. I think I'm too. There you go know that was perfect that was perfect yeah no problem i appreciate it and we'll do it again uh... maybe at the end of the big red runner cup or something and slowly man cool thanks

all right thanks last day right the right club today. Yes! That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different.

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