No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 401: AT&T Pebble Beach Recap

Episode Date: February 15, 2021

Daniel Berger wins at Pebble, Spieth comes close, Nate lashes out, and everything else from a fun week. We chat about Berger's closing ability, his suspicious alignment of putts, what to take away from Spieth's week, some rules issues, Patrick Reed's Ryder Cup future, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast, solid here to my left. Mr. Icarito Neal Schuster. Good evening, solids. Good to be back.

It's been a little a couple of weeks for you. Has it been? Yeah. Good to have you back. Good to have you back. It's been a couple of weeks for you. Has it been? Yeah. Good to have you back.

Good to have you back. It was pouring down rain here, so it was easy to sit inside. We had a lot of weather interruptions to the hotel cast. Always a very bad timing here in Jacksonville. It seemed like it was always when Cantlay, the ball was like mid-roll, and, you know, I really wanted Cantlay to win to avoid the pouch misery from our weekly previews, but, you know, you cut in with that action news update, baby.

The storm is now 200 miles off the East Coast. Just wanted to update you guys and moving east. DJ Pies here. Hey guys, how are you? We are a small field, weakest field in podcast history. It was horrible. I didn't realize it was like a strength of field 144. I know that number doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people.

That is like a fall series event. It's like a really good Euro tour of it. I had to. The podcast will be back to great strength of field next week for River Air though. This, yeah. Next week's an invitation. Exactly. We'll have some boys back to great strength to feel the next week for Riviera though. This, you know, next week's an invitation. Exactly. We'll have some boys back.

I'm right on the edge. I might have to Monday in. Everybody knows Randy takes Pebble week off. Tron's, you know, Tron, I think, is playing over in Europe this week. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta a couple of Chez Rides up here, just trying to grind out a good pod. These are potential life changing pod though

for these guys, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's more exciting. It's more exciting for us to, you know, maybe, maybe change our careers. Exactly. Saudi is throwing a huge wrench in the schedule, totally in general, with the appearance fees. So, which is the shame.

This used to be one of the great pods every year. You got to spend some time with some great sponsors. And unfortunately, it's just being gutted. Speaking of sponsors, did you see what Mav was club twirling in the 18th fairway? I was twirling too fast. It was hard to read it. It was the new cavity back utility iron that I think, I don't have the new one yet.

Neil has the new one correct. The X-forged, yes. It is from Calaway, of course. From Calaway, and I love it. The driving iron is awesome, and it's just like a juiced up three iron that you can hit off the tee. So I'll kind of tip me off to trying to sweep it off the tee. And from the fairway, no problems getting that thing elevated. He also had an epic speed driver in Chrome soft golf ball. Oxe Betia also had a crazy hot start to the week. Hit all 18 greens on Thursday, shot 64. He used apex MB irons to hit those 18 greens and rolled on eight birdies with an Odyssey 2 ball

prototype putter, which looks very familiar for those who have viewed that are keeping an eye on the bag of John Rom. I have a feeling that's not gonna be a prototype for much longer. Oxe has also used the Epic Speed driver that he uses to hit the, what I believe is referred to as the ham ball.

I don't know if that's a new ball. I actually did see his, I was checking on his Instagram page the other day and he's got a Ham ball video on there. It's basically just a Newke Boy. Okay, I was gonna say, ask if you can translate it for this. It's true from the school of Gamecars, right? No, no, I'll say this.

It's not the Newke Boy, it's the Tyler Durden ball. It's the one who want you to hit me as hard as you can. Hit me as hard as you can. And he's like, yeah, I like, I load up my weight on my back foot and then I just let it go. It's a, I actually swing is, it's really fun to watch. Awesome. It really gets auction. We'll get there. He's got jaws MD5 wedges 50, 54, 58 degree and a crumsoft ex golf ball. We'll get to him in a second. Let's get to Daniel Berger probably.

Well, real quick, you mentioned Mab McNeely. Fourth in strokes gained off the tee with that driver up from T144 on the season. So quite a different. Hmm, he looked, he was like absolutely sending it. Mav's off. I have some Mav thoughts. Let's get there. Let's go with Daniel Berger.

Some things, but yes, please. Daniel Berger plays the Parfives in six under today, including an eagle on the last to win by two shots. And an eagle on the second. Eagle on the second, which is not really par five, but second and third. Looked like par five for space this weekend. He birded it today.

Second and strokes gained T to green, 18th and putting this week. The big important question from Samuel Berry. Did burger tarnish his legacy by winning a tournament where he doesn't get a jacket as a prize? For sure. Yeah, I mean, just for, for background, two wins in Memphis, of course, comes with the Sears Tucker jacket,

a win at Colonial, comes with the tartan jacket, almost said, plaid, of course, it's tartan. It's got to get that heritage win. And he needs to get a heritage win. You got to get a heritage win. That could, that could help. I mean, it's all about kind of Augusta, what else would be, that was good to say.

Well, you know, I think heritage comes first in the Augusta. Well, especially since he wasn't in Augusta in November. True. Which, yes, I believe he's qualified for Augusta. Now, six times ever now for this time around. Yeah, he was 123rd in the world after this week last year. Did we, did we miss any jackets? Augusta, they're always a lot of, there's a lot of copycat stuff going on out there.

I'm sure there's some. Can't be a world golf hall of fame. Of course he get a jacket. For the love of golf. We'll have a golf some. Can't get you in. Can't get you in. Can't get you in. Can't get you in. Of course he get a jacket. For the love of golf. For the love of golf.

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I think just put himself in a bad spot, but other than that, I mean, he's just, that's pretty cruise control man. He's fun to watch. I think, you know, we'll probably get to the dog killer conversation, but he's turned into a very big boy golfer. He's, he is a, he's puttin' some people in vacants out there.

I was gonna say on, the only place I thought he might lose it was 15. He put himself in that bunker, and then he lips out the bunker shot, and then on 16. And then broke around the same. Yeah, that was interesting. And then he had to get the sand out of his hat, which was great stuff.

But then 16, he kinda had like a really weird follow-through. Like it looked like he hit, hooked it left. I think it ended up in the rough a little bit, but he was able to kinda make those saves, and then 17, he, you know, he flipped out a birdie there. So I was like, I thought maybe I was, you know, rooting for Cantley, and I was hoping that he might kind of come back to the field by a stroke,

and he just, he kind of, he was, he was like losing the rig. He was like hydropraining, and then, you know, he let his foot off the brake, and like, the tire snapped back in, and he was good to go. He hit some cool ass shots. Yeah, he looks like he is feeling his way around a golf course a lot more than just like hitting a bunch of stock shots.

He was hitting a bunch of runners. And I think at one point he had a ball run out like a hundred yards on either nine or 10, at one point I think on Saturday. He just looks like he's almost kind of patchy redish finishes on some of the shots, like trying to shape some of them, trying to hold off shots.

And I think the win kind of dictated a lot of that today. We saw a lot of that with speed on Saturday too. Just it just looked like a golf tournament where it wasn't like, hey, hit it right here and do this. They can do this over again. It was kind of like, all right, dude, you might, you might, you might hit a 255 off of 14 to today, like figure out a way to get this ball into the hole,

figure out a way to get it to not spin back on you. And he did that the best. I thought that was like an interesting test this week that wasn't a, I guess, coming from waste management where it is like the prototypical stock shot golf course, I'd say. Where he missed the cut, which is kind of random. Yeah. This was awesome to watch.

Just to watch, like, guys try to try to balance getting at some of those severe slopes on those greens. And that's what I think the tours probably at its best to watch, like guys try to try to balance getting at some of those severe slopes on those greens. And that's what I think, I think the tour is probably at its best when it's moving around from venue to venue like that and it requires different styles of play at different types of places, you know what I mean? And that's where like this was wildly different than Phoenix and it was awesome. Like, I'm Phoenix was awesome too.

It's just, I love seeing, I'm totally with you. I love seeing the different types of play. So I'll add to your point about the like hold off cut. I think the Tallahassee Bunk cut is what he was sitting out there, which is not to our friend Jay, Revolt in Tallahassee and for the state man, many people say in Tallahassee getting a, and then oh, you bump with straps. You know, the strap bump, the strap bump. But I think that the Tallahassee Bunk cut was also Brooks one last week. I don't even think about that. Yeah, no. How about that? The chase seaford might come in hot next week. The Bunkut seems to.

Flora State, warming up. Well, at Pebble with the wind coming off the, you know, off the right basically. So he's just holding that, that fade ball up there and that's got to feel like such a safe shot on some of those holes. Like, oh, man. He comes on OB on 18 Saturday. Like, that was true. Yeah. That like, man, shot on some of those holes. Like, oh man. I'm like, pump one OB on 18 Saturday. That was true. Yeah. That like, man, I know these guys are good.

And then how about I try to get a ruling where he had the, he was like, no, it's like, let's measure. Let's, let's, let's lay the line down. The guy was like, absolutely not, man. It's from the inside of the marker. Like, you're not even close dog. I think you like saw the camera's there.

It was like, kind of maybe you thought about the internet memes coming from this. It was like, yeah, you know what, I'm good. That, that's what it'd be. I, I know like, these guys are good and all that shit and all that, but like how they bounce back from all that shit, pumping an OB, that would just derail me. I'd love to think that it wouldn't,

but I don't know how, you go on shoot 18 under a ball, pumping a ball OB. Like that is so impressive to me. You know what else is impressive? This is off the top of my head, math, I might have counted this wrong. Since this event last year, he's played 18 events. He's finished in the top 10, nine times.

He has been top five in like six of those probably. Yeah, a bunch of top fives, and even the ones that are outside the top 10 are, you know, T23, T17, T28, T17, 25th, 13th. I mean, he's like, he's been, outrageously good the past year. And probably, I know he got a lot of run when he didn't get into the masters and everybody was kind of saying what an injustice that was,

but yeah, that has continued to age well. He's been really freaking good. I'd be interested to see the updated Ryder Cup standing. He was like 12th or 13th going into this week. Yeah, he seems like a no-brainer. He looks pretty prime for it. Data golf's got him as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. 13th best player in the world.

I guess it's listed right there. I could have done that without counting. But it's good. It's good practice. 13th best player in the world, just as far as stroke skein. So I got a great question that came from Carlo Gambino. This was the late edition here to the agenda. Why is it awesome when Speed takes two minutes

to hit a hundred-yard shot because there's conversation, but when Burger takes 20 seconds to make a putt, it's practically murder. It's a great point. I think we could, yeah. It's good fun. It just made me laugh.

Yeah, that's nice. Because you can't, you're not really listening. There's no conversation. It's just like, yo, there's good. And it just made me laugh. Yeah, that's that's because you can't, you're not really listening. There's no conversation. It's just like, yo, there's this guy standing behind me and he's like, I'm like, I'm a vessel of him. It feels like, like, that's it. Right there. Okay, just close your eyes and, you know,

make that same putting stroke that you've made, you know, 10,000 times. Doesn't feel, you know, Randy said on Twitter, the like, okay, so I play the triple track and I think it's very helpful. This is a different conversation. That is, that's lining the ball up. We can talk about that.

I do want to talk about that. But don't in that the 20 seconds it takes for him to make a putt with the caddy behind him. But so the issue here is the new rule. This is under, this is 10.2 B parentheses four. Super easy to follow. The previous prohibition is extended that once the player begins taking a stance for the stroke and until the stroke is made, the player's caddy must not deliberately stand on or close

to an extension of the line of play behind the ball for any reason. Basically, like you caddy can't line you up. But the way you can offset it is that if you back off of your stance, then it's not a penalty. And the caddy can get out of the way. How they're circumventing this rule is they're getting lined up with the label, he's addressing it with the marker down. Yeah, the marker's still down. And the caddy's been like, yep, you're good there.

And then you pick up the coin and then he back off and then go into the putt and it's like just blowing through the spirit of the rule. And you see it like when you flip on coverage and like you see that, you're like, whoa, whoa, what's the caddy doing there? Because you can't do that. And then you're like, oh my god,

he's Mark still down. Like it's caught me off guard like two or three times in the last year where I'm like, hey, what's he doing? He can't do, oh, he's got his mark down still. Like he's, you know, technically not wrong but but I do think the spirit of it is, is it tough seeing a little bit? Listen to the reasons for change in the rule. This is listed on the USGA website. It's, although a player may get advice from a

caddy on the shot to be played at the line of play in other similar manners, the ability to line up one's feet and body accurately to a target line is a fundamental skill of the game for which the player alone should be responsible. Yikes. Allowing a caddy to stay. That's written on there. Allowing a caddy to stand behind a player, taking a stance so as to direct the player, how to line up undermines the players need to use his or her own alignment skills and

judgment. We believe that an appropriate line is drawn between allowing advice from a caddy and prohibiting the caddy from being involved in directing the player in the act of taking a stance to play the ball. So not good. Well, sure, listen, Charlie, you don't think the USGA should be allowed to tell these PGA tour players what to do, right? Isn't that what we're going to be saying over and over and over for the next fucking

five years as this distant stuff comes out? Stay on topic. Yeah, well, it's kind of the same thing, but all right. It's, listen, it's not good. And I would even throw greens reading books in here too. I mean, that's, Well, they've addressed that. I mean, they've taken,

the greens reading books now are, there's not much in there. It's, it's small. Like, literally I haven't seen one in a while. It's, I mean, it used to be the huge, like, super detailed stuff. It's really now, it's like, a few numbers on there.

So if you're in the fairway, it makes a lot of sense to be, okay, there's slopes here. This is the percent. It's really now, it's like a few numbers on there. So if you're in the fairway, it makes a lot of sense to be like, okay, there's slopes here. This is the percent. It's probably not going to feed back, but you don't see guys really studying them in too much detail, too much on the public. You can't use a compass anymore as well. You can use a compass. I thought they outlawed that because they tracked her. Oh, right.

That's what I was looking for. Pro tracker. So let me ask you this. Do you think that the debate should go, you see a little chatter on Twitter about how lines should come off golf balls? Do you think that is that the issue? Or is it, do you get rid of the caddy being able to line them up?

Like where do you stop on the, if you were gonna adjust the rule like this? It's a tough one to enforce, right? Like how do you, like the line things, they've been labels and lines have been on, you guys have been doing those for years and years, right? And that's not, I don't know, maybe it's not blatantly offensive to me to see that.

Here's my question to Daniel Berger. Is your caddy helping you line up? Right. And he is a straight shooter. He would tell you, yes, he is. Like that is literally what they're doing by doing it. So just this whole default of backing, like you can back off the stance

and then get back into it. Yet, you know, is how you avoid the rule. So again, he's technically not breaking a rule, but your line on your ball is not moving. The line in your putters not moving. It's almost feels like a golf version of the ball. You can't step at some point. You can't step off for you. You know, or you're walking the guy, right? Like, no, you're too far down the routine. You're too, you're already in the setup. Can't do that. That's where I just don't know how they, I don't know do that. That's where I just don't know how they're, I don't know how you write that rule to,

I don't know how you police that, I guess. I mean, other than just being like, Hey man, you're, come on. You're being a dick. That's against the rule. Come on. But other than that, I don't really know how you. Is your caddy lining you up?

Like, because that's a question of rules official could ask Daniel Berger. And I don't know if the routine changed today or if the way CBS addressed how they were showing their shots. Kind of a little tighter. Cut it tighter, but I know he lined up at one point without his ball down today.

I wonder if somebody said something to him in between the round. I don't recall seeing it today. I didn't see it. As yesterday is when I saw it and I was like, oh my god, you know, like that's tough optics a little bit. The optics are bad.

The optics are bad. they're not good. So, I don't know. It's just, but I will say this about burger. I do like watching them because it's got a unique swing. Like just straight up, it's like, I've been on the record to Sandy, I wish there were more unique swings in golf. Kind of, I was saying that about Oxay earlier,

it's just like kind of draws you in. So I don't wanna. He spins the shit out of the ball, by the way. No, that's uncomfortable. Which is even more impressive to win on like a of draws you in. So I don't wanna... He spins the shit out of the ball, by the way. That's uncomfortable. Which is even more impressive to win on like a windy golf course. It's kind of looked like almost softened spots, firmened spots, you know, he's trying to really, that's a massive other factor that he's working with.

We'll also address Mr. Gambino's original question. I think the reason that, other than the obvious bad optics that burger, like we, everyone's up in arms is the conversation, speed is taking two minutes to have is interesting. Yeah. It's like an interesting story you're following. You're like, man, it's disagreeing with Greller again. Why is he doing that? Ah, you know, like when he came up short, I think it was on 14 or 15. 14, that was on 14, right? And it's like, he just overrules Greller. And then you're like, why'd you do that?

You know, it just adds so much context to like, speed, man, you just gotta get, you're overthinking it, stop that. And I'm of the opinion, and feel free to disagree with this if you guys feel differently, but slow play issues in golf don't come from fairway shots.

It's what happens on the green. Holding out, taking three people to hold out takes so long in tournament golf. Well, I would have one adjustment to that. It's slow plays, not a factor. If guys aren't starting their, you know, their JB Holmes routine, like, until the other guys hit. Yes.

While the other guy's hitting, like, you go through your yardage book. Yeah, be ready. Be ready to play, right? So that I think that is a factor a little bit from the fairway, but you're right, like, on the greens is where it gets ugly. It's harder to be ready on the green,

because you can't get your ball down, you can't be walking in people's line and stuff. So that's where I think, like, you know, lining up on the putting green is only gonna slow things down more. And just feel like that rule needs to be looked at a little bit. And I think it has to do with that resetting. I don't think you should get a pass, to be able to step off of it and then get back

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No, I can't do it. No, the essence is, and the Virginia. There's too many states coming up. They had the Virginia, it's impossible. I think it's the same thing. No one would go through the tunnel, like the Eisenhower tunnel, like Colorado.

You know you're not gonna make it, but I'd like to see you try. Before we move on from Burger, just because I feel like, you know, the way we're trending here, the guys, definitely a big time player who's probably gonna be involved in the majors, team events, all that stuff. I feel like we need to address the question, dog, killer, both neither, where you guys

at here. I think I'm killer. He really seems like it. Four wins is a lot of wins. Killer. I would actually tailor it more lingering or loitering, certainly loitering. He's always, when he's on the board, he's loitering. The convenience store owner went in to take,

you know, go to the bathroom and he's like, that's my opportunity. I'm taking the cash, baby. Like, he sees it and he goes and I like that. So he hits the whole hard. He does. He certainly does. There's no hesitation.

I think he's a dog. At least bare minimum dog. Definitely. Obviously. I, killer is a huge, huge bar to clear. And I don't know if there are any killers out there. So that's interesting. The cat was one, but obviously,

well, web, web's definitely a killer. Web might be a killer. Web, yeah. Certainly a killer. Brooks? No. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know, Jim. Brooks, Brooks, not a dog know. I don't know. I don't know, Jim. Brooks, Brooks, not a dog, but might be a killer. I could get him more with that. That's provocative. Yeah. Brooks just totally takes weeks off and just ships it in yet comes out of nowhere. Not comes out of nowhere, but we'll come and just snatch it

for it. There's guys that, you know, people that they don't look scary but they'll kill you. You know, of course. Right. And I feel like burgers got a little bit of that going where you're like, oh yeah, maybe like I'm not thinking, like I'm not thinking about him as like,

oh, he's the favorite or, you know, but maybe I should be. But then again, you're like, man, this guy can come. He's around on Sunday. He's definitely not scared to, you know. You're not leaving your car on like this. He's not scared to. He's a rat. Quote execute. Yeah, you know what I mean. No your car on my clothes. He's not scared to. He's around quote, execute.

Yeah, you know what I mean? No, totally. I wish, I mean, listen, a common refrain in the world of golf, but I wish we knew more about burger. Which we had more of a feel for his personality. I haven't spent any time with him. He came, the last year I was working at the tour, he came and did like a big all hands, like employee,

you know, summit sort of thing. And there were a couple of young guys there. And burger was one of them and he just did this panel. And he was like super engaging and funny. And you just don't ever get any of that on the telecast. I feel like, you know, it was kind of him, like rolling back in the bunker was the, the first reminder of I've had of like, oh, this guy's like kind of playful. And like, you know, not quite as, as nobody's

home, which is kind of the vibe you get when he's locked into competition, you know? Yeah. And to that point, like his post-round interview, when a man asked him like, what do you think of this putt on 18? Like, that's the best putt I've ever had. I never had. Like, I like an answer like that. Exactly.

It's great. It's great. Yeah. And yeah, listen, obviously, he's well-diacumented. He's vivided. Yeah, he's certainly vivided. Down in South Florida. So, yeah. Listen, Daniel Berger, if you're listening, come on the pod.

Would love to hear more from you. Like, could we come vibe with you? Or would we come vibe? I would love to vibe. We've got a lot. He's got the whole fleet of boats down there. I don't know if you're deep in his Instagram, but it's outstanding stuff.

Oh God, I love to vibe. Yeah. So some interesting stuff, I don't know if this, you know, helps the discussion on dog or killer. So two of his wins, the Schwab this year and the 2017 FedEx, he started the final round, T7 and T9. So kind of like, he goes and gets him up out of nowhere. And yeah.

I thought that was impossible. You told me that's impossible, that just completely, you can't do it. Nobody can do it. It's completely misapplied. There's too many other good players in the field. It's not fair. You don't want to hear like what?

The data says. The data said, though. This is what it said. Can't open notes. Sorry, I saw that. Tony also did it with this week. You don't want to hear like what they think on what is actually like that he didn't deserve it. Basically the numbers would show, but you don't want to hear like what they think of what is actually like that he didn't

deserve it. Basically the numbers would show. You don't want to hear that. So. Yeah, but he's five. I think he would. The models don't account for vibing. That's great.

That's great. They don't have a vibe calculated. And I think he would respectfully reply. Tell me how my ass does as I go cash this check. The fourth one of them trying to get me to make an argument that I'm not even making right now. Like you're just, just shoehorning it. Oh my God. I just think with everything you've had on the line,

with Fee now, he could have shown up this week at a historically weak field and tried to get his two wins before the end of the West Coast, he didn't even show up. I hate that. I hate that for you. He went to Saudi and now the bet's over. It's bet's not over.

Yeah. No. But you said before the end of the West Coast. Well, he's got one more week. So that's it. So he had's not over. Yeah, no. But you said before the end of the West Coast. Boy, it's got one more week. So that's it. So he had to win twice. He had to win twice. And think about it.

Concession. Oh, good. Get the fuck out of here. I've we cleared this on the way. Yes. Mexico City be considered West Coast. The WGC Mexico was considered on the West Coast swimming because before you come to East,

we I asked about this. I wasn't listening to be fair. To be fair, obviously wasn't the listing the way you're saying. So basically, Vino has to win the next two. All right, so Fino is, is dormi. Correct. Or would the field be, no, the field, no, no.

Yeah, no, it's the people that are up are dormi. No, the people are down are dormi. Down are dormi. Okay. Right. Who could say? No, I thought, I, I think if you're losing, you're dormi. No, no, I think it's the other way around. Where the, I remember someone correct me on this. I think if you're down,

don't remember it too well, but you do remember something correct. Yes. Well, I know that dormi is either up or down. That we can for sure. We can for sure say it. So, you know, and somehow is, it's gonna win the next two.

I got a question for you from Buzz Lightbeer. Yeah, I got a question. Why is Speed so ass? Come on, Buzz. I'm on. That's on Buzz. Wally unfair buzz. Get out of here, Buzz.

T3 finish. Yeah, what did Speed finish last week? T4. T4. Yeah, if we, if, if, if, T4, T3. Yeah. If you were offered that, what would your reaction?

100%. I would, as I said today, I T4, T3, yeah. If you were offered that, what would your reaction? 100%. I would, as I said today, I was saying. So all of a sudden, you're into top five finishes now. Yeah, when you've been in the wilderness for four years, yeah, this is a sign of life. If he goes and let me tell you this, if he goes and does this 35 times in a row, I'd say yeah, there's an issue.

But two, listen, that's fine. He's trending. He's trending. He's trending. Yeah, he does it 36 times. It could be it. It could be it. You know, hey, come on, man. Like, we gotta make this next thing.

You're making me look bad, man. Come on. You gotta take the next step, Jordan. Also, he's just, he's killed countless people already. So he has like a, he's literally a hall of fame already. He has a huge pass. No, I'm not seeing it. That's all great. I'm not seeing it. That's all great.

I'm not seeing it. The putter actually let Jordan down a little bit this week. He barely, he is barely in the positives in Strokes Game Pudding, 42nd. Which is hard because the greens are also kind of ass, right? Like I feel like everything gets kind of leveled out. But it seems like it's been smoking mirrors, or I guess that was the feedback from last week was that,

you know, he kind of hit it like ass off the tee and just the putter saved him, which is, we've covered why that's not always the case. And his iron play is spectacular. And then it was good. Good again this week. 10. 10. Yeah.

Some ass wedges today. A lot of ass talk in this. He really had some bad wedges today. 14. Grelor just that was 16. 16 was 16. Oh, I thought that was gonna get to the whole, you know, he's afterward.

It's always great here in the commentary of like what he thought. And then there was a moment, I think it was Friday, middle of the round, they had a close-up on him and Greller. And there was something about it that made me laugh where you couldn't hear what Jordan was saying, but you could just see he was like making his case to Greller about like, you know, like the classic,

like I thought it was gonna do this, and this is why I did that, and Greller was kind of naughty, kind of like the Alonzo Morning Gif nod going, where it's just like, you could tell he was probably like, God, why'd we do that? Now he's like, Jordan Convith, he makes his case and Greller's like, all right, I'm down, you know?

It's just fun to watch that play out, basically, every hole. There's a great clip from the British Open, like the UK British, presented by our majesty, like in 2017 or something like that. We're bones and filler on the tee and it's filled just like, I think in driver. Just like eight seconds of silence. Like, bones just doesn't say anything. Because you can't use this veto internationally.

Right. Of course. Yeah. I hate like overly critiquing literally the best players in the world in decision making when it, you know, comes out of the gun. But he made the amateur mistake on 14 two days in a row, which is like uphill into the wind. Like do not try to murder less club and throw it, put more spin on it,

get it more up in the air, into a green that's not gonna hold it anyways. It was not a hard decision to be made there, like to try to force that in there. It was two days in a row, is that right? Did he do, did I have that? Yeah, he bogeyed 14 two days in a row and finished three shots back.

How about that? And bogey two yesterday. That was tough. Yeah. Would like to have those back. Yeah. I don't know if we're gonna be able to also have two whole outs.

So, you know, might have been a little closer than it should have been to. It's like, she's like Jordan, as someone who has issues with typos, it seems like Jordan sometimes has issues with just like, overlooking easy typos. It's like, dude, you did all the hard work. Like, you hold off that fairway.

It's over hitting. You're hitting such good shots. Like, just don't, like, don't use their instead of their, you know, like just don't do that. Like that's, at least it's perfect. It's just perfect. It's perfect. Why do you keep doing that?

I have this issue. Why do you keep doing that, Neil? It's like, speed. Don't make those mistakes. It's not that hard. He was getting ready to hit that five footer on two on Saturday for par. Oh, and you can't like get this out in Twitter in time for it to be like a fair like prediction,

but I was like literally called my wife and was like, honey, he's not going to hit the whole watch. I need somebody to document like that I'm calling this, but he's not going to hit the whole here. And it did not hit the whole. I just you can just almost sense it, which I thought they did a good job on the telecast of, of kind of up playing that this week of just how outrageous some of those shortputs are at Pebble. Or psych team, four footers, you're just outside the hole constantly.

Like God, that has to, I think we saw that with Nate Lashley, right? It's like, I was gonna say, it's like man, I bet that just wears on you by the end of the week, I'm like, oh yeah, right, 16, where you just, you know, nine putts from four feet. Well, that's where Pebble has like, it's taken off his shoes and wanted to start.

It's got serious, you see that like, it's like a munivob. There's two things out there that I always notice is the small greens and the high rough always lead to these short-sided downhill chips where the guys just trying to like quickly chop at it, you know, and like just, they know they're not gonna stop it.

It's like, from the bottom. Oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit. You know, like, you can just feel the tension when they're chipping short-sided. And then the side-hill puts are breaking to the ocean. It's like, oh my, you can just feel the tension when they're chipping, short-sided, and then the side-hill puts are breaking to the ocean. It's like, oh, Mike, you can just, like, on 18 yesterday, when they're all, that front, right pin, and they're all,

like, Paul Casey was lined up, like, 45 degrees over here, and it's just, you know, the Pacific's just pulling it, and that feels like a bit of a munivib in a way, with that kind of slope on those tiny greens. With the wind and the small greens and everything you're saying, what a harrowing place to be in contention. Which is why it's kind of interesting that when they flash that,

you know, questionably useful graphic about the past winners and their FedEx cup finish by the end of the season, some not-so-grade players win out there, which is kind of interesting in that perspective. You know what I mean? But there's also the argument really sack up. Just like, it's class like be below the whole. Or just their degrees are so small, aim at the center.

Like there's the ways, I think there's ways to really keep yourself in check if you're vibing. Which that's what I was gonna say. One of the things I appreciated the most this week watching was, you know, small greens are not always my favorite, but when you have them infrequently on the PJ tour, it's kind of fun to see how they deal with it.

And like number seven, they did a great job of explaining this today on the telecast too, where seven's such a good example where that wind is howling, the pins all the way back, you're hitting downhill. You're hitting a little wedge like you're going to either unless you hit it Perfect you're either gonna hit it at pin high and zip it back to the front or you're gonna hit it It's gonna one hop into that back shit You have just a horrible little chip shot And it was just it's so cool to see those guys and then Nate lashley steps up and hits it to you know three inches like it

It's cool to see those guys and then Nate lashly steps up and hits it to, you know, three inches. Like it's really cool to see, especially when they can kind of articulate exactly why it's so hard. I thought that was awesome. The small greens combined with the slope make it so interesting. 11 is always really interesting to watch. Like you can get it close on 11, but that is a tough, no matter where you are, it's a hard putt. Totally. I don't remember. Same where they were land in some of those little scooty wedges into 10 today, where they were all driving it so far up there, and like that one can't lay hide, he had to land it like 10 yard short of the green.

Like that was, Pebbles awesome. I, I, I, four was been a really fun home watch. Yeah. All they like, oh, it's not as good as it could be. Like, yeah, well, it's still pretty cool, man. Come on. The drones were cool, the camera shots were cool.

It's, it's, listen, it was great. Especially with no celebrities. It was fun to watch. Best display. No celebrities helped. Big boy coastline. Big boy coastline. Yeah.

NC17 stuff. It's about a lot more than golf out there. It is. It's, it's good stuff. It is, I don't know if this is the time to transition into this, but it is, the aim for the, for the people at home watching on TV. And I know DJ, you've been several times,

you can speak to how important the celebrity aspect is to the on in person vibe to that course, that tournament, the celebrities are 100% not necessary for the viewer at home. Like I enjoyed Pebble Beach Pro Am with one of the worst fields it's ever had, the most I ever have this year. Oh yeah, no doubt. As a television viewer, would you agree, Neil?

It would, yeah. Because it forced them to talk about the course more. Yes. And one of the world's great golf courses. Like, it does not, that tournament just doesn't need all of that. I know there's a lot of reasons, and the historic reason as to why they do that. But the tournament itself does not need that.

If we're trying to make it TV entertainment broad. I would say the missing piece for me, I still know nothing about spyglass. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. If there was no celebrities this year, I kinda was hoping I'd see a little bit. It's always just like, okay, so over at spyglass,

but they spend no time with the drones over there. For obvious reasons, not as exciting, but maybe this year was a time to really feature that course and tell me why those first six holes are incredible, allegedly from what I've heard. I've never been there, never seen it. And it's like, I don't know anything about it yet. It's the scoring average is like, what a shot or two higher than pebble, which to an like probably a casual golf fan, they'd be like, how is that possible?

Why wouldn't the course on the ocean with like the one that's rated higher? But I'm hard with television. Must be so much harder. Exactly. Well, tell me why. That's a perfect opportunity. So. And I would echo that with monitoring peninsula.

Sure course that they're usually at as well. But if they really are as hamstrung on so much of this production stuff as they claim to be, like, I don't need them. I'm with you. I love more on spyglass, but I don't know if I'm taking away resources from pepper. Like, they're not really that good at covering one golf course week to week,

like asking them to be good at covering multiple. I kind of give them a pass there. But I was just saying that they needed something to fill the air time without showing Brady and Belichack. It's like, okay, well, why don't you take... Why don't you have a couple of... I don't think they did. We'll have some set pieces.

We're like, hey, here's like, especially Thursday, Friday, I mean, right, I, you know, I guess there's plenty of show, you just show golf too, but like, I don't know, some of those, good example, some of those course flyovers they do, like the digital ones, like they could, I feel like for spyglass, like that's not, you know, that you could do this once in advance.

Months in advance, like that, it feels like an easy layup. The one they did on 10 was awesome. Love seeing you get in the coverage take game, you can do this once in advance. Months in advance, like it feels like an easy layup. The one that did out 10 was awesome. Love seeing you get in the coverage take game. You know, absolutely. I love it. Observation, not really. Well, circling back to the celebrity aspect,

I would echo a lot of what we said about the season opener on the LPGA where I think I threw out something on Twitter about this, but it's like, I think one of the big disconnects with this comes from kind of golf's definition of celebrity. And you know what I mean? Like there are people like Bill Murray, no matter what we say about him on this podcast, is a legitimate celebrity.

True famous guy. A true famous guy. There's not that many of them in the field. Larry Fitzgeralds, you know, sure. Kind of famous. Are my people tuning in to watch him play golf? I get the millennials. I don't think so.

I get the millennials. So that's where I struggle is it has to go one of two ways where it seems like way number one would be do all your celebrity stuff blow it out until Saturday. And just take over the Saturday telecast like you have for 60 years and shove the celebrities down our throats, that's fine. And then Sunday, like focus on the golf,

you know, with the best players in the world on one of the best viewing courses in the world. Or, which would be much, much harder, like get much bigger celebrities, right? And, but just like being stuck in the middle is just, that's where it feels like everybody loses, except for the people who are on site. Like, oh my God, this is the best, it's Macklemore.

Oh, my baby. He's dancing around. He's doing the Carlton. I think you've been, I've been to the event twice when I lived out in San Francisco, and there is something to be said for. It is fun to just wander around Pebble Beach and be like, yo, check it out.

Oh, it's Ray Romano. No, it's Tom Brady, a Dodge Sheetle. Yeah, kind of love Ocean's love. You know, like you just, as a person on site, that is great. But I agree with you on all programs should just finish on Saturday. That seems like such a layup, right?

And then you make it about the pro golf competition. This is a professional golf tournament. And then you do style back the coverage of the Amazon Sunday, a a ton compared to Saturday. But like, whatever that was that one year, they had, they like had the amateurs in the booth and stuff, like dissecting their swings and there was a near mutiny. I think they kind of got the hint of like,

yo, he cannot kind of continue on that path. But anyways, I just think that combination of the drone shots and, you know, the actual focus on the golf tournament and feeling like when I hold this coming up, I'm kind of knowing how balls are gonna spin there. I kind of know what's happened. I had a lot better rhythm to it and I enjoyed the tournament a lot more.

But closing up. So I would say because we're talking about the course now or the tournament, there was a question out there that I saw from Don Donnie Don Don Tello Perhaps a question that could be tackled on the pod tonight. Why is it so difficult for the tour to get a good field at pebberal? One of the most iconic courses in the country and they can't get a single top 10 player. So I think it's a fair question It's a fair question. I'm sure unfortunately, it's an extremely easy question because I'm gonna read off Some some numbers for you here, okay?

easy question because I'm going to read off some numbers for you here. Okay. So we don't have the full access to the numbers that the Saudi invitational, but for what the person, what the guys are getting to be to play there. Dustin, you can be assured that Dustin doesn't. You think you paid to go play that? I would have to guess. So Jason Cocrack got $300,000 or something like that. So yeah, there's a shit ton of money.

He blocked him. He blocked him. He blocked him. He blocked him and he got 300 cash. I'm gonna make a joke, here's his bett of all. He got his to dead. So there's that. There's waste management the week before, which is a popular tournament.

How can you skip waste management? You can't skip that one, come on. So not only you can't do farmers, Saudi, Pebble Beach, because this is also what's coming up next. The gym. Farmers, you can't skip that one. also what's coming up next. The Genus. Farmers, you can't skip that one. The Genesis Invitational.

See it, can't skip that. WGC at Concession used to be Mexico. The Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill and the players championship. Now, I'm going to give you some numbers to go with that. The purse for the Pebble Beach Pro Am, $7.8 million. Sounds like a lot, right? Sure. The purse at the Genesis Invitational, $9.3 million. Sounds like a lot, right? Sure. The purse at the Genesis invitation, $9.3 million.

The purse at the WGC, $10.5 million no cut event. The next one, Arnold Palmer invitation, $9.3 million. Elevated event. The next one, the players championship, purse, $15 million. See, God. The next week is Honda, which is, we're gonna have the same conversation for Honda

because nobody plays that. Nobody even. That's a $7 million event. And then following that, it's another WGC for 10.5. And then we have Valero back at 7.7 and then we're at the Masters. Yeah.

I was talking to Tron about this. I remember talking about this, it had to be a couple of years ago in the pod now where I don't know what the answer is and this has to be an extremely, extremely hard job. But it just feels like the schedule has to feel like whack a mole for Monhan and the PJ tour of just like, putting out fires.

And even if you go back a couple of years, it's like, hey man, like what the fuck, why is nobody playing Bay Hill? Like this is supposed to be a great event. Ah shit, okay, you are are now you're an elevated event. We're gonna we're gonna make you elevated. Well, what about Memorial? Well, are you're elevating Jack?

Why are you not? Okay, that's yeah, that's elevated to. Well, what about Riviera? Tiger's gonna do it. Okay, all right, that's elevated. What else? What else is upset? Well, fall series, nobody's playing our events.

Okay, cool. FedEx Cup goes all around the season now. It's it's a wrap around season. Okay, WG nobody's playing our events. Okay, cool. FedExCup goes all around the season now. It's a wrap around season. Okay, WGC's, we need those. All right, bigger purses, players. Okay, we need bigger purses there. Now it's gonna be AT&T being like, hey, we sponsored two events.

We're in like an official marketing partner and we have two horrible fields, what's going on? So it's like, well, there's the next mold of it. Once in a race, they need to go like, threaten to get another job. And that's what I mean. Alright, you guys are into it. But you see it with like the playoff events, you see it with like it's yeah, it's everywhere now. It's that's got to be really hard to figure out how to have in the original the following week. And that almost becoming like, you know, you don't want to let tiger down. The money,

money, obviously, is a bigger factor. But kind of like when Arnold was around for the Bay Hill, like no one's going to know when once the skip Arnie's tournament is, you know, felt like it was a huge factor for these guys, but I'd also say I feel like pebble for these guys is maybe overexposed because it gets the US opens. It feels like there's a lot of golf played there, right? So it almost, like for everyone else, it's like how could you skip pebble? Like what a bucket list course. It's like, well, you know, they probably play like a college tournament there. And it feels like it's just kind of always on the calendar. Definitely for this tournament, but even twice, you know,

with US opens and stuff. Pros don't skip tournaments because they don't play tournaments because of how great a golf course is in terms of ranking or whatever. They play, they play them based on how great the golf courses are for their game. They pros are not that impressed to play at Hubble Beach in a golf tournament. Like they get to play the masters, the guys that play the masters every year, the guys that play all the mate, like they're literally just 20 years of playing the most amazing golf courses in the world.

So it's not a thrill to go play in the Pel Beach pro, especially when it's going to be six hour rounds and like what they've had to deal with. And also kind of cold, kind of cold. And when there's just surround. I mean, the Saudi thing is seriously throws a huge 12 to 6 curve ball. Yeah. In the way like the winner kind of plays out for so many people because it's this crazy run of events here coming up. That's 11 times. I think it's 11 times zones away, Saudi Arabia, like, Phil, how to Phil look? Coming off that point, I had it at the end of the pod. I'll just say it now, it was my hate to see it

moment in the week. Phil finishing out his glove on. You know, just like, yo brother, I've been there, you know, like, dry rough the deck in the ocean. Yeah, just put me down for a night. Yeah. Hold on, let me go tap this in from 12 feet, like, with my glove on.

That was awesome. What would you have back there? I don't know, man, who knows? Who cares? I don't know, X-Bull Strip, control, you tell me. Just give me a double. So related to this discussion, I want to know what waist management and double beach

would I think get the hardest hit by this? And to a lesser extent, farmers, like what they have to say about, like top PGA tour pros, who are not European tour members, going over for a week and playing Saudi Arabia and weakening the fields of all three of those events. And how that works with the strategic alliance and PGA tour memberships and waivers that

need to be signed so they can go do that. And I would be asking some questions if I run those terms. Also do you think this leads to more current European tour events doing the appearance fees? If it like because the PGA event just a matter of do it, doing the appearance fees. If it, like, because the PGA event, just a matter of. Do it, right? Like, what is that? Yeah, so Abu Dhabi, Dubai, and Saudi, which Saudi seems to be putting up the most money

from what it seems like from a field perspective. I mean, it's not hard to kind of figure out follow the money for these things almost how the fields get made. I'll also look at the field at the RBC heritage and see if there's any. So does that start an arms race among Euro Tour events it made. I also look at the field at the RBC heritage and see if there's any team RBC members that feel.

I guess what I'm saying is, does that start in arms race among Euro tour events where more like now it's like, oh, clearly working for Saudi Arabia. Like, why don't we do it? But I think it is a balancing act with as much as we dump on the phatic skeptic and make fun of it. I mean, it comes to a point in the year where you actually do have to, you do have to make some points over here and do all that stuff over here. And so I think for the tip top guys, obviously they usually are taking care of, but for those guys, the co-cracks, if you will.

I think you probably take your one or two big ass paychecks if you can get them early part of the year. And then I don't think they're going over there in April, May, June. Putting a bow on speed, which we kind of got to track a little bit. Taylor Stout says, what do you think Jordan's best major finishes and where is it? I mean, he's got a lot of

mass shirts, right? No doubt. I think Cantla's going to win massers. I don't think he can't. Let's talk about your boy. Tredstone operative. Tredstone. I was, I was, I had my, I told you, burgers taking people out. I had an itch drink. She kicked him out the window at the last. Burgers got some trestone vibes too for sure. Like someone made the call to burger. No burgers like the spy who just like, you know, I don't know, you know, all kinds of weird things fall his way and he just happens to knock the assassin off

and he smiles at the camera, you know. What? That, that, that, that makes more sense, you know? I really want it. No, maybe, maybe, he's like the likable protagonist. So can't lay, the fact that he keeps coming up short cementes Treadstone status, right? Cause, you know, born always wins.

Like it's always a great fight and you're like, dude, I don't want to see that kind of dark alley, but like he ends up, you know, Jason Born comes down on top. Get some flesh wounds in there. Burger might be, and I wanted to elevate Cantlay to Jackal status. But Berger might be the jackal. Where it's just like this loner,

you're like, what, what, how did he wear this? He's just vibing, like this guy. He's unstoppable. He's crossing borders with fake passports. What's he doing? So he's just taking people out. But Cantlay couldn't make, basically, let me get off the digression.

Cantlay couldn't make a putt on the back nine. Which is point blank. So that's how it felt to me. And I know I said that earlier. He putt it remarkably well, except for Saturday, which is great. At least as far as the Saturday. He started off hot today.

And then when he made the turn, he just, he couldn't get anything to drop. And he was kind of outside. You said earlier, he kind of has some Hedecki vibes where it just seems like he should birdie every hole. But he actually makes the inside 10 footputs, whereas Hedecki vibes where it just seems like he should birdie every hole. But he actually makes the inside 10 foot puts, whereas Hedecki doesn't say let's be careful with the Hedecki, Hedecki putting analogies here. So, so today he lost 0.75 shots on the back nine putting yesterday he lost 0.2.

So like while you're coming into the premium viewing windows, he gave away three shots on the greens coming in to the field, not just to the leaders and that pretty much cost in the term. But overall good putting week. So. Yeah. And, dude, you said it's crazy that he shot ten under on Thursday. It didn't even lead the field in putting. That's why he was fourth. You said it yesterday, I think it is jarring to see, can't lay, it looks like he's swinging like 80 miles an hour and the ball he's carrying like three O2 in the cold.

That's, you know, especially for a guy with a, you know, back issues. Chris Kirk vibes. I don't know where the speed comes from. Yeah, how he does it, but it's, his, he might have, I know the smash factor can't go above 1.5, but his might be like 1.65, you know,

it's just like he's, he's found an extra little smash factor because he just squares it up so good. If I need Jason Bourne to examine some of the methods he's using, yeah. Could fall into the wrong hands. But even though, can't let's not exciting, but I just, I do enjoy because he's so surgical

and he's, I find him fun to watch. Like I find his game interesting, his story interesting and I find myself rooting for him more and more. Yeah, I'm with you. I think talking to him on the pod last year, this past year, it was, you know, the back stuff, the story needs to be like told, you could tell it every week and it wouldn't get old with like what he has to go through. Like he has to do it every week, especially around. He's doing a rebel where it's, yeah. I mean, the cold, the cold airs can't be helping. Go back and listen to that pod. I think it's from April, just how he, I may have it's, I mean, the cold airs can't be helping. Go back and listen to that pot.

I think it's from April, just how he, I may have it wrong, but he basically spends four hours before every round getting ready for it physically, like stretching. So when you got a 737T time, do the math on that for when you're getting to the golf course, when you're getting to the trailer, like how, like, imagine, fuck.

Yeah. I get up like maybe an hour before a tea time when I'm in the mornings. Like, that is. I might not even hit range balls. Right. Come on man. It's impressive.

So, sneaky quiet 68. Today I'd say it seemed worse than that to me. I don't really know why. I think he kind of birded the easiest, easy-ish holes. Kind of came out firing, birding three of the first six. But one of the things I like about Pebble II, and maybe this is the small greens,

but there's some spots where you can miss where you were just so absolutely boned. And I'm just looking at his scorecard and seeing his only buggy was on eight. And I remember where he missed and just seeing some of those where it's like, all right, cool, I guess he's chipping to 40 feet. And seeing like, you know,

Strylman's going on his run and where he hit it on, I think it was 16. As soon as the ball land, you're just like, oh, fuck, no way. Eddie Biggs double. And it's like, Short side above the hulls. Yeah.

There's some awesome spots out there for that. Speaking of 16, hold on, last thing on Kantley, because I gotta can't wait to talk Opus Day. I can't stand the Marcus by Goldman Sachs, tough hats and logos are so bad. Just watch the big short last thing. is I can't stand the Marcus by Goldman Sachs. Tough. Hats and logos are so bad. I just watched the big short last night.

One thing I do like about Kintlay is his dedication to wearing the sweater. It does good. It doesn't wear pullovers. You know, it doesn't wear the quarters hip. It's just that crispy. It looks like it's really soft and cozy. I like his sweater again.

I'll cash me your five. Yeah, just give me the Marcus stuff and I'm weighing on him. So, you know what, sorry. One other thing from the pod that I got from Kintlay I like his sweater again. I'll cash me your five. Yeah, just give me the market stuff and I'm weighing on himself. You know what, one other thing from the pod that I got from Cantlay that I try to take with me too when I'm playing tournaments is his thing of like, when I show up Thursday for an event,

like it's kind of already decided for me. Like whatever happens out there happens, but like it's about what the work I've put in before. Like I can't, like he almost seems like he doesn't stress himself out about the ups and downs of the competition over four days. He just like lets that play out in his mind or like, you know, in reality.

And I thought that was a very interesting way of looking at tournament golf. And so like I'm getting hyped for a tournament this week and I'm like, all right, be ready to roll on that Thursday. That's judgment day when in reality. Which is how it feels like watching speed. Yeah, of course. Just like do or die right now, baby. What do do you think you think there's a bull in the chamber?

Mikey come on no bullet fucking trigger. Let's go. Yeah, I can do it baby. I can do it. I can fly this campus there. Yeah I'll do it man. I'll do it. No, you don't have to just make it you do this Who's making you he lives and dies with every bounce which is just like extremely stressful on both the viewers. I want to stress, please don't change, because that's why I like to watch. Yes. So anyways, I found that that very much fits in with Kantele's vibe.

So speaking of 16, onto our Opus Day, Nate Lashley. First off, I really don't want to start with this clown on the dude, because he played. He played so good. Amazing golf and fucked up one hole, and it sucked. Like I was feeling for him. Yeah. We kind of had a tough finish on Saturday.

I think he three-putted 17 or, or, or 17 or, or bogey 17 and 18. And bogey 17 and 18, he could tell he was running hot under the, under the hood on 18. He gave, he actually two for two on the weekend tossing his ball in the Pacific on 18 green which was which was which led the field which led the field which was fun he definitely got You know listen opus day. There's an application process. I got to talk to Lord T. Real hadn't we'll talk this week to see if Lashley's in but man his work on 16 was tossing the 360 on the putter. He's holding over his head. I thought he was gonna break it like Bo Jackson style on the dome piece.

It was a tough scene there. And that was one of those side hill, you know, four footers you said earlier, like, oh God, and then he had another one and another one. I thought he was gonna miss the one for triple, for sure. I thought, especially since I came back to him after he'd go it away. Yeah. But you're right, we should start, you know.

At least it started there, but we had to address though. This is dead. Some of the positives on that front nine, I mean, he was, he just played like an incredibly efficient round of golf. Like just didn't miss a shot. Comfy birdies on the par-fives, that shot on seven, I was describing earlier, just like have to hit it in a, you know,

landed on like a scorecard basically to get it to that perfect spot. Does it, the birdie on nine was just so textbook, that's whatever, 500 yard golf hole, he just spinned it in there to a couple feet. I mean, I mean, it's, I thought he was gonna get, I believe I said on the thread,

incinerated on the back nine, because he's just, he's doing that weird holdoff thing. It's like, God, that's gonna get demolished. To be cut. By the thread, incinerated on the back nine, because he's doing that weird holdoff thing. It's like, God, that's gonna get demolished. He did. By the wind. Well, he didn't, he hit it great. Yeah, he was fifth and third. He just gained T-The Green in the fall and Sunday.

He just missed in that same spot on 16, where it's like, oh, no, you're boned. You can't do anything from right there. And I guess he blamed it on a bad hop, but that's what can happen on those greens. They firm up a little bit. And basically, if you catch the bounce on the green, it probably spins back to the right spot,

but if you fly it into that rough, you get some brutally difficult chips. What's his story? Where's he from? What's his story? I forget. The story, it correct me if I'm wrong if I have it, is his girlfriend and his parents.

I believe so. We're flying to go watch him at a tournament and died in a plane crash. I hope I'm not getting any of this wrong, but I know it was told pretty ad nauseam during his win at the Rocket Mortgage a couple of years ago, but when he was a college golfer, his parents and girlfriend died in a plane crash.

So it was 16 or 17 years ago. It's from Nebraska, I believe, to answer your question. And kind of has bounced around very journeyman career. I think they mentioned on the broadcast today too, that he was sewn real estate for a while. That was recently as like 2012 or 2013 or something and made a go of it and came back in one on the PGA tour, which was a really cool story a couple of years ago.

And he won by, he won by just boat race. Yeah. So I mean before Bryson, I put it in the Arizona. He only got 70, I think it was 70 career starts. Wow. And he's almost bagged a second win and has several other top. He's been quite impressive. He's 125th in the world coming in this week

and has been playing some some really good golf and he wasn't, yeah, he was T17 last week at waste management. And yeah, solo 4th at Corralis in the fall as well. So some really good golf from him, but yeah, it was a tough, tough, tough scene. And yet he had to make a three foot seven inch putt, breaking putt for triple after, you know, barely being over the green in regulation. That was, that was very much the like the tournament golf like, oh, fuck, I gotta keep going till this goes in the hole. Like there is no stopping here, which like, if you play for like us sitting here, you played 99% of your golf not in that.

It's like, ah, I'm good. Give it a giving it triple. Scoop it as a good best goal. But here and all that, it's like, hopefully we, let's see more of them. Like he sounds like he's got walk on vibes. You know, like when they, you see those videos of the coach given that the walk on a scholarship, it's like maybe like, like let's, you know, like, we go be on scholarship, woo, you know, I hope it's gonna get,

you know, like keep grinding out there, right? So he, that was very relatable on 16. And I think we're making, you know, we're kind of making light of it. And I got, I mean, can't imagine how he feels right now. That's so crazy. None of the puts were easy. It was not yippy, I didn't think.

No, he just, but God, they dove so hard. Like he didn't really have the hole on, on any of them till the last one. So I got a question for some of this not here, but where were Randy's home game models when it came to Matt Pignelli? That was, I gotta think a massive omission by him. some of this is not here, but where were Randy's home game models when it came to Matt Pignelli? That was, I got to think of a massive omission by him.

He sees so upset. He texted us all on like Wednesday. He was like, oh, I forgot to pick Matt this week. He's 100% going to win. And he didn't win, but he certainly had a, had a good week. I, so I find Matt, I was thinking about this today. I find him very easy to root for and I was trying to think about why.

And I think it's, I guess a personal, and correct, I don't wanna overstate my college football career or anything, but like, played football in college? No, but I was trying to think about what it is about and that I like. And I remember I was good high school football player, like one of the best on the team, you know, kind of

a big fish in a small pond. Sick. Went to the next level and was like just riding the bench as a freshman, but there's like one or two or three freshmen that come in and ball out. So you got to like put your head down on, put your head down and grind and get better. And then it's even harder and more demoralizing sophomore year when there's one or two or three freshmen that come in and they're starting. And you're like, God, dude, they're just like,

I've been here a year, grindin'. This guy just shows up, but he's got it. And I feel like, I say all that because I feel like Mav had all the success in college, comes out, he gets the Callaway sponsorship, he's kind of, you know, wins the Haskins award. And then you, you know, he doesn't just automatically ball out, right? Like, he's not hovelin, he's not more callways, not wolf.

And how similar to Max, like, how tough that can be for someone's confidence, if they're used to being the top dog, and then they're just like, dude, this is like a much bigger pond. And now it's just seeing him get better and better. Like, I find myself rooting for him. And I think that that's like the kind of player that's fun to follow like over their career. And like hopefully that win means a lot more to him in a, you know, this year or next year or whatever he gets it. Interestingly enough, we did a pile with him. Gosh, it's been maybe two and a half years or so.

And his perspective on his college success surprised me because it was very much like, I think it was a sophomore year where he went absolutely apeshit. Yeah. He was kind of like, I think it was a sophomore year where he went absolutely ape shit. Yeah. He was kinda like, I kinda just blacked out for a year and kinda paraphrasing, but almost like that wasn't my, like my reflection of my ability. It almost strikes his like imposter syndrome. Yeah, a little bit. Where you start to look around and it's like, oh shit, am I like, am I as good as everybody says?

Everybody keeps telling me how good I am and like I'm not really sure if I am. And that's a massive projection on my part, but that's listening to him in interviews, and even talking to him a little bit and stuff, that's kind of the vibe you get almost is like, there's some insecurity and some, I think some demons probably,

and it's to your point, it's awesome to see him on a big stage. I take it more as awareness. Like, I think he was honestly like, dude, like you just played like incredible golf, but like, I don't know if, I don't know, my skills aren't all the way there, and his attitude is more of like like when he went and hit the road

on the corn fairy tour to like go earn his PGA tour card. And you know, a lot of people think that he's, you know, everything is paid for by his family and all that. And he like is very, like Adam, I was like, no, like I pay, I pay my own way and do all this. And there's a whole backstory there of the success his dad has had in business and all that stuff. But like he, I don't think he put like a ton of pressure on himself to meet expectations

coming out because he was almost like aware that like, hey, I'm not like a sure thing. I'm not sure fire talent. I'm going to have to get there through just like working really, really hard. And another favorite thing that he said that I take all the time is like, he doesn't, he said he told me he doesn't stress about playing poorly because so much of pro golf is about when you have the opportunity in a tournament, in your top 20% of your rounds, you have to take it.

That's where 80% of your career is gonna be defined by your best 20% of your golf. A miscut, not the other world. You got to using that toward building towards something. And with that in mind, watching the swings he made on 17 and 18, he was fucking sending it, sending it. Like everyone knows what like nervy golf looks like and what just truly confident golf looks like. And that, I'm not talking about the bravado of like the club twirls. It was the, the swings he was making coming down the stretch. And that was a, a

awesome ride to watch. 500 on the back. So to circle back, Matt finished solo second, made 850K. Nate, lastly, if he would have just made bogey, instead of triple, would have tied him. And that was about a half million dollar difference.

Wow. Well, with Matt, too, the telecast, they were talking about how he's very, since he's been a kid, very data driven, like keeps track of, like, diligent about a journal and as someone's trying to track his stats, like he's, I think, I can't remember who's talking about it on the telecast, but like he's like, I'm, I'm 20% from, you know, 20 feet or whatever, and he's like, with playing with the announcer and, you know, he'd missed the previous four and he was like, this one's going in. You know, and then the putt goes in.

It's like, I think it almost seems like he has a lot of trust in that. Like the true definition of like, let's just trust the process. But I guess what maybe I'm projecting this on him is after a year or two of the process, not seeing it come to fruition, I would, I almost assume like I know in my own,

you know, version of this story, like it's so easy to just like, and like Max has said on the pod, like it's so easy to lose hope or like, dude, like that miss it, like am I still, do I have, you know, you can almost forget that you're that good. And so, yeah, I'm just happy that to see him, you know, ballin' out, I guess.

He, uh, this is second full year on PGA Tour. He made 17 of 23 cuts in 2020, finish 68 in the FedEx. And now is 30th in the FedEx and his six of 10 made cuts in 2021. Now I'll run her up. So which has to be such a big step as a rookie to just make cuts and like, just, just be around and figure out how to make a move. I mean, it sounds cliche, but like, how do you keep moving forward after Friday?

Right? How do you keep moving forward after Saturday? I think I agree with you on the awareness factor too, like even as post-round interview, he's like, he said to a man that like, I knew today like, good or bad, I was gonna learn a lot. It's like almost having that perspective like, pre-round of like, this isn't my only chance,

like no, this is like you're putting yourself in position if it doesn't go well, like that's like one step closer, I guess, and like, I have one anecdote too, or one story from maps. So I went to the Rex Open 2018, and this is a chord fairy tour. And this is the first year out there, and you know, I'm with my buddy John Lyon

and we're walking around, There's nobody out there Thursday. And we run into them. I'm like, let's go watch Mad McNeil. He's like, who's that? I'm like, oh, he's this guy from Stanford. Like, we just did a pod and he's great. And he's like the next thing. We get out there and he kinda like,

see, I'm wearing like an NLU hat. And I'm like, you know, we're kinda like 20 feet away, but he's very aware, you know, that he's like, oh, who are these guys? Oh, NLU, okay. Like, next to you, like basically, very, very close to topping aware, you know, that he's like, oh, who are these guys? Oh, and they'll you, okay. Like next to you, like basically, very, very close to topping one, you know? And he's just, and my buddy was like,

what the hell, this is the guy? I was like, no, no, just trust me, just trust me, you know? It's probably a good idea to make this work. Probably just, he's probably just making it harder on himself. But I was like, it's one of those moments, like, damn it, man, come on, like, play better, you know? So I always think that's funny. Like, man, out on the corn fairy tour with no one watching,

like that can get really, really lonely out there. Speaking of tops, Francesco Moynari. Oh my God, he had a lot of fun with it, which is exactly the way you should react when obviously Twitter is roasting you for a very poor shot. They dead topped it off the first day. I think it went 70 yards. Conditions were pretty tough there, I would say.

I was just disappointed. I was just disappointed for his reaction. He just kept it super chill. Like, man, a comfy five. I think that's, you know, everybody on Twitter was just like, oh, who hasn't, you know. Oh, that one's not gonna hurt you, man. Just make five from there.

Why is it that the three wood is the top club? It's, I'm sure there's a reason, but it's always the same for me. It's always the three wood for me. It feels like it's always the three wood. Smaller face, right? Chris Kurt talked about that. How he does like, you know, maybe five times a year, he will just cold ass top at three wood.

Shout out to Mollenart who tripled 18 today. That's cool. Oh, good friend. He was my biggest disappointment of the week for what it's worth. Yeah, you know, not the pile on him, but Home game home game home game models were alerts were going off blinking had played well at the US open there God just seemed like he was trending towards kind of being that killer that we saw a couple years ago And I thought he was gonna play really well this week shout out to our guy Max finishing T7

13 undershot a 68 today in a unreal shot into 18 from underneath the tree. His T-shot went 253 and left himself 263 in and then knocked it on the green from there. I don't know if he had three wood off the tee. He might have hit the tree. He was right under. I'm guessing he hit it into the tree and he didn't call. He didn't have Greller there to go up and find it.

So luckily it fell to where it did. What was that? Why was Greller in the tree looking for Tom Hogi's's ball because he's like freaking bear grills man like if you need him He's he's down to help out like it's almost like speed didn't send him on enough of an adventure like Greller I'm with TC on this button number one. He's an alpha number two. He just seems he seems awesome You know like god he seems like such a rock man. He's yeah the rock on which you can build the church of speed He's a true teammate. He's just like he's the guy you want. He's like you don't have them or something like them The he just like sign up has them for another year of like player coach like yeah, do you just sit on the bench and coach these youngsters?

You know, that's what Griller has he's got that vibe Actually brought up. I mean he's he to get whiffs of Charles Howell West Coast cash machine. He had this last year. I know. Having it again this year. Riviera's his literal favorite golf course on planet earth. And they got them. They got them as well. CBS had a, and projected for well for next year. I like to call them out to for, uh, what is it? Five the par three. Yeah. Like crappy double there after he eagles two. That's like another one of those misses, that's just like, oh man, that's not gonna be fun.

Yeah, no. And they left one in the bunker and then two puts for double. And then he comes back, birdie, birdie. You know, on six and seven, which is like, obviously I didn't really see it on TV, but it was like great to see him bounce back like that and like save around early. You could imagine what it'd be like if you did. It was like watching play the like

the best holes in the world. Yeah, that would be cool. Really cool. Just to get, I know we talk a lot about money on the show, but he finished T7, which is $229,000 paycheck. That one double bogeon five and everyone has this one hole that can remove. But this is what a double bogey costs you on tour. The guy's that he would have tied for third. The guy's that tied for third made 460, 200. So it's it would have changed the number if he was a third guy in there at tied for third, but like, yeah, little double your money. We can confirm it would have been more for sure.

Listen, 290 is good. It would have been more money. Yes, yeah, without the, that's the big story here. But yeah, we'll say the same like, oh, if'm sure. Listen, $290 is good. It would have been more money, without the doubt. Yeah, that's the big story here. But yeah, we can say the same like, if he doesn't eagle, two of them, what happens. I mean, part of the, what I helped with the broadcast, what I pointed out, he's one of those guys that hates making doubles. I know.

This guy hates doubles. Or that he's got great things going on Twitter. He's a great follow-up. Great follow-up on Twitter. Great guy on social media. All right, I want to, if we're ready to move on a little bit, a couple other topics I want to cover here. One, we want to give a shout out to our partner, BMW, for this month's

Ryder Cup segment we're going to do. And I have a question for the group. I saw this floater on Twitter and I apologize. I didn't jot down the name of it, but I did promise that person in DMs that we would discuss it this week. Patrick Reed, when it comes to the Ryder Cup, and I want everyone to think about all the things that have happened over the past couple of years,

and also remember that he shot about 84 at the last Ryder Cup, and then... Yeah, but what did Tiger shoot? And then he said that Tiger apologized to him. That does not get enough run. All right, Tiger told me it was... Can you say that sentence? Okay, but he said after the round that yeah,

Tiger came up to me and apologized for how bad he played when Reed did not break 80 in that round. I don't know if I have to talk about this guy anymore, but that's the most Trumpian figure ever. It's like, oh yeah, I mean, many people apologize. Oh, okay, cool, really, interesting. What about you? Did you have any, you know, like impact?

Like, could you have played any better? Oh, that doesn't matter. Like, I mean, he apologized. And then when asked if he was still Captain America, he says, well, I'm still undefeated in singles after, you know, we went one and two. It did win his singles match. And I think he did the shish right in France.

So anyways, we have that. We have the incident in the Bahamas, which rolls right into the president's cup where he goes to the president's cup, makes his team act very weird. Like teammates are in a very uncomfortable spot, goes and does the shovel move at the fans, at the Australian fans.

His catty gets it a physical altercation with a fan. Cam Smith executes them and then gets fine for it. And that makes me shake my head. And then we have the issue with the farmers this week. So I think the reason is as to why we're asking the question or fair. If Patrick really doesn't make it on points, let's say he's seventh, doesn't make it on points.

Does he get selected for this year's rider cut? God. You know, go first, you know, me go first. I think 100% he should get selected. I think 100% he should get selected. I think 100% he should get selected. He's, it's the, it's an exhibition. WWE, man, you need some villains. Like, that's, let's do it.

I think we didn't cover everything from France, though. We also threw the captain under the bus. Of course, for the pairing. Of course. Is he, is he poisoned for sure, but is it like, it's good content, man. I would, are we, are we, are we, speaking from an entertainment perspective? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no he poisoned for sure, but is it like it's good content, man? I would, are we, are we, are we, speaking from an entertainment perspective? No, no, no, no, no, no, I think legitimately trying to win. Dude, did you, like, did you watch my farmers?

He's so fucking good man. Yeah, he's, he, and he, he certainly, and even though he's a sociopath, he certainly cares about the Ryder Cup. And what he cares about winning, and he cares about America. He cares about his, his like representation in the writer. Yeah, but that's like taken someone like you know is he doesn't care about the writer cup.

That's a difference. I would say you know someone's like motivation. Like if you're a captain, you can like, you know, use their way to against it. Like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. That Patrick, I know you're in this for yourself. Like I can put you in a position. That didn't go well in France. Yeah.

Well, maybe, you know, he was mad about being paired with Tiger fucking woods at the Ryder Cup. So where do you stand? What do you think? I think, as of right now, I think there's so much talent on the US side that there's no reason to bring a potential locker room just magnet of energy, either positive or negative.

It's not worth risking. Like, you don't need him. You have players that are good. You do not need somebody that, if things are not going well, he is going to make them worse. And he has shown that at the 2018 Ryder Cup. Like, if things are going well, can he get the ball rolling, get people fired up?

Or, I don't even know if we can count on U.S. fans cheering for him. Counter-argument to that. That's fair about him being a villain to his own team. But counter argument that if he doesn't make it for his, if he's a captain's pick, I feel like the captain has the opportunity to set the state like, hey, you're here because I picked you

and this is how this is gonna go this year. And like, almost have the conversation, have the lecture upfront that like, you're not gonna play every match. We're going to, you know, we're, you're going to have to play ball. And if you don't, like I'm just going to bench you for the rest of the, like you're going to get, you're on a short leash, bud. That happened in France. Like, you're a cat. Don't you think it would make you even worse? Yeah. Fiery cat communicated to him where he was going to play with. And he's still like, through a hissy fit at the end of it. It's like, I don't think he,

I don't think he put baby in a corner. Like, I don't think he, I fair enough, he chips and puts so well though. He does, what's that worth? He's seventh right now in the standings. I don't want to make a light of this, but I also could see him just straight up kicking strikers ass if he doesn't kick.

I could see him just absolutely getting into it a real life fight. I think we can expect some used golf facts. Hot, hot heat coming at Stricker. Some Twitter tapes. Him and Justin, tabletop, Stricker, one of the champions to our events or something, pushing him down a hill. I think it's going to be a fascinating story to follow. I think they're going to go straight off points. I think they probably will.

I think he'll end up just getting it on points. He's playing well. No, I'm saying they're going to go straight off points. I think they probably will end up just getting it on points. Like he's playing well. No, I'm saying they're going to go like the top six qualify automatically. Yeah. They're like six through nine are totally safe on like they're not going to look at number. I'm sorry, seven through nine on the list. They're not going to like bypass them. Let's say let's say 11 players have been locked up, meaning they've, you know, six qualified and they've made their five captains picks and somehow Fino and Reed are both not on the team. Would you pick Fina or would you pick Reed? Fina.

Reed. Reed. I just wanted to add on the record because I'm building my case over the next year. I would pick Reed. But what case? That Fina stinks. Okay. We know he played well in France.

As he continues to kick these away, well, this is the worst. CJ, he played well in France. The worst event that you could do this too would be the writer. It's like, this is the worst logic. It's like it's only tiny blip of true like you're just like you are going out of your way.

This is a. You're right. You're right. We have that scenario where the train track, you know, there's one person laying on the train tracks and then there's five on the other side. Do you flip the lever in this situation? You are flipping the lever to run over five more people

instead of just the one. Yeah, all right. Listen, I didn't realize, I kind of forgot how good he played. He played well. And the whole thing is like, I still would pick read. I still would pick read too.

How'd read doing friends? So it's I think Patrick's grown up a little bit. These are the last couple of weeks of changing. Here's going through the adversity. Here are the guys in the US team. Again, we got a long ways to go, but here are the guys that are not in the top six qualification wise.

Read, Web Simpson, Fienaar, Harris English, Cantlay, Berger, Wolf, Kisner, Woodland, Palmer, Scotty Sheffler, Tiger Woods, Coacher, Bubba, all those, you can get him to speed. I'm kind of skipped. Don't forget about Ricky. Not gonna get picked. What about Ricky?

Ricky, I don't know. Ricky's to 33rd, I think we're probably good there. All those guys you mentioned are not qualified. Can you list off the qualified? The qualified, I don't know, I mean, the top six as of now, DJ, I think he's gonna make it. Bryson, Keppka, Zander, JT, Mora Kawa. God, I think those... That's really good.

That's what I'm saying. Why would you add that space? Yeah, that's fair. But I just, selfishly, like, I want some... Content is a different thing. I want some gifts, baby. I want some action, you know? He's good for drama, which is a different thing. I want some gifts baby. I want some action. You know, he's good for drama, which is good for, you know, my entertainment.

I don't want to put up any bulletin board material, but that list, as compared to the current Euro standings is jarring. Hatten Fleetwood, Ram, McElroy, awesome. Listen, Victor Perez, Bernd Wiesberger, Fitzpatrick, Willet, Westwood, Big Shop Bob, Mac and Tire, Mateusz Schwab, Rafa Cabrera, Beo. Are you bouncing? Mark is a team who's pulled. Am I?

Because I got there. Oh, right. They got the world point. No, that's all right. Sorry. That was the European and world points. Still, I mean, I guess you had Paul Casey and Hoffland. That helps. Yeah. Team Rose. That certainly helps. Europe's gonna have a wonder where team Rose is staying. We should see if they're,

if they have hotel block set up and. Cooler. If they're just rented out a whole place. They got an RV. You know, what's it looking? Yeah. Well, the list you They got an RV, you know? What's it looking? Yeah, well, the list you rattled out, you know, there's issues with depth. Yeah. A couple other great questions.

Yeah, shout out to our partner, BMW, of course, a sponsor of the Ryder Cup. They're helping us facilitate these wonderful discussions that we're going to have throughout the year. So back on Pebble, we kind of missed this one a little bit. What did you guys think of guys, players playing left of the car path on the sixth hole? Oh, I forgot we hadn't even gotten to this yet. Well, normally it's not an issue because there's usually a massive hospitality. Okay, we'll all up on

top of the hill there. I don't know if crosswords. There is, is it there the week of the 18th or just the other times I've gone there? It's been a massive like way way up top. It's always felt like that was a hospitality fans on the HQ. I think it's just fans on the way up on top of the hill, but the flat part. Okay. So that you're saying that wouldn't impact people hitting it left there. Why is this here? People. Yeah.

Why this fear feels like it's the first time it's been an issue. So I was trying to think of a reason why in the past it hasn't been. I'd have to check the shot tracker. I don't remember people doing that in the past, intentionally, because one, if there's people up there, one, the torporos don't really care that much about the safety of the people, but two, you care if your ball gets stopped. So you don't want to hit someone and have it stop right there. Why don't you kick this off? Because you clearly have staked your, you know, you've staked a claim here. Well, when the players did it, first of all, the, the announcers looked,

and I believe it was Fowdo and, or Luke Elvy, I don't remember, we're just like, oh, I believe what was, I, I have to be Fowdo then, if the phrase was, it's not deadly. It's not sporting, you know, it's ruining the integrity of the whole, I believe, was that what I heard phrase? which I would say shout out to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of other golf holes on the PJ tour that we don't seem to hear the same conversation.

That's what I was like, oh, if we want to talk about ruining integrity, then we're going to the party pal. Let's have that conversation. But my, my issue was with the announcers seeming to, you know, imply or even directly state that play, even though that isn't option for players, they shouldn't hit it up there, which I completely disagree with. Like when JT was hitting the other fairway at Boston that one year, way in on that, like

if that is a actual real route that you envision in your way to the whole, the best way you can get the ball in the hole, yeah. 100%. So this is going to sound like a cop out, or like I'm straddling both arguments here. I totally 100% get and respect where you're coming from, because as you pointed out, I believe either on Twitter, or on text or whatever, we can't praise Link's golf

for like, oh my God, you have so many routes to the hole. It's so cool. Look, he's hitting it in the other fairway to get the angle. That's so cool. We can't praise that and then be like way out on this. But they do seem like drastically different styles of golf.

I mean, like, it's not, that was not until it almost seemed like the like different sports, right? Like playing at the old course and playing at Pebble Beach are totally different. And so what I will say is like, well, right? Like playing at the old course and playing at Pebble Beach are totally different. And so what I will say is like, well, I don't like it. Like it is lame.

I hate that they're taking the water out of play and it used to be such a cool hole, but where, you know, if you hit driver a little further up the left side of the fairway, you can get closer to the green. If you hit three wood, you take the water out of play but you got a longer shot. Yada, yada, yada.

And that part is kind of gone when he's just bang it way down the left. So I don't know what the fix would be. I mean, maybe like you make it out of bounds. And so it's, let me catch me up here just so I know, are they hitting it up on top of the hill? Some of them are. With driver, is that the goal like so they can then see the flag from up there on the

left? I think it eliminates the risk of driving in the water of one, it improves your angle. As you mentioned, astutely, not one person hit in the water. Zero, one of those this year. Which seems like if that was the only reason to hit it up there, that seems like an overreaction

of like, well, you could just hit it the left side of the fairway, couldn't you? Like, I would you, you know, so I'm guessing they were getting it up on top of the hill, because then they could see the hole and maybe have a better approach. Was the rough not as thick up there with no no like you think with no fans the rough would be even thicker. It didn't look it didn't look pleasant up there I think it is just a shortest route a little better angle to come into that green and I don't know exactly I'd have to go see it honestly. I think if you're trying to go way left

You can take that bunker out of play, right? Which the bunker makes it a little hairy as you're getting up that hill, not that everybody. But the reason I wouldn't get so riled up about this is like you're playing a gamer roulette with the lie up there. 100%? So like, what's yo, if you wanna do that, sure,

but like who? Yeah, that's from that. purposely hits it in the rough at pebble. Like the rough is gnarly. Like what, that doesn't seem like it's a different type of rough up there. It's like a, yeah. It's not, I don't know.

I'm not a big grass guy, but it's not the really thick, bright green yeah, hebo grass you're thinking of. It's like the almost dormant looking it just, it's tough. It didn't look pleasant though. And the ball's gonna be below your feet. And that's where I was like,

dude, if like if you want to like purpose to give yourself a not very great lie over in that, over in that rough and try to figure out your way to the hole, by all means, go ahead. Like, we, I, and you get a look at the pin, if that's a trade off you want to make, I actually think that's kind of interesting.

Yes. And like, have someone explain that, you know, like, or, or maybe the talk on the tee with the caddy, well, yeah, if we go up there, like, we have, we can see the flag and then, you know, it's a much easier angle. So I don't know, I'm with you. I don't think it's something to, and it all upset about. I can see, you know, it's a much easier angle. So I don't know, I'm with you, I don't think it's something

that it all upset about. I can see, you know, them setting it up differently, either growing that rough up or calling it OB, which I think would just, I don't think that, I don't think that encourages fun golf. Yeah. The answer is almost never like, hey, I think that we need to bring in more OB.

I mean, I'm an MCI in course out of bounds. Yeah. For what it's worth looking at the, I pulled up this shot tracker from last year and there were five total balls for the whole week left of that cart path. So to your point, there must usually be more hospitality up there.

It's almost like it's all white up there normally. Yeah, so I don't, maybe this isn't an issue going forward, but it was an issue this week. Quote unquote, but yeah, I don't know. Everyone, Bubba went the wrong way down the fairway at the Zozo in Japan where he literally went 90 degrees to the right.

Like that's sick, that's awesome. I don't have any issue with guys trying to gain an advantage of, like, because they are, there's some risks there to the lie being crappy, or like, yo, that's not how the whole supposed to be played, so you might have some bad luck up there. Yeah, 100, yeah, I'm it.

Yeah. I know there were very, very few bogies on that hole in general this week, because Parfax don't really exist anymore, but that was, there was no bogies left of the car path. So to your whole point about like, oh, it could be, you know, total risk, like it's not. Yeah. Everybody made par a you know, total risk. Like, it's not. Yeah.

Everybody made par a birdie, which sucks. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that like, just the fact there was way more balls down the fairway, like the, the, the other routes taken, if you made Bogey that way, it wasn't because you were in like a bad spot or it wasn't like it was super safe to play left. It's part five. Like it's just not going to be that many Bogey's. Yeah. But, um, anyways, Colt knows did not care for my comments,

but I'll be on gravy in the sleaze tomorrow to discuss it. Oh, God, you're going to go hash it out. We're going to go. I don't know if they know I'm coming on. That's big. You're going to reach across the aisle. Of course, I'll reach across the aisle. Good for you, man. I thought he was really good on the telecast, by the way. I think he's a good, I'm not just saying that because you're, uh, because you're going on. I think he's him and John Wood have been

great additions. I felt like it was a total just like weirdly talking past each other on repeat when it was on Twitter quite frustrating and I was like I'm trying to do like doesn't usually have to say that man that happened to sleep it's very yeah whiffs of crazy I read the dude I kind of I mean that's like it's funny it's like graving the sleeves uh so yeah that was a topic of conversation. And yeah, I'm sure we'll hash that one. Why are you saying, let me ask you this. Why are you so out on the OB for pro golfers? I just don't, I don't think getting,

I don't know, it encourages more trepidation off the tee. And it, one I think OB is too harsh for penalty. I agree with that. Two for recreational golfers, I agree. For pros, I disagree. Okay. Two, fair. It is too harsh for penalty. I agree with that. Two, for recreational golfers, I agree. For pros, I disagree. Two, fair. It's not out of bounds. You're within the proper...

I don't like in-course OB, it just feels like... It's like when I used to play basketball, it's tronin' like makeup rules. It's like, it's not OB, it's in court. Like, you know, no, that's, you know, there's a four pointer now on the court. Like, what are you talking about? Like, it's not OB.

I just think it's... This is gonna be great for Tron's court case about now on the court. Like what, what are you talking about? Like it's not OB. I just think it's, This is gonna be great for Tron's court case about manipulating his trafficking points. That there's a pattern of this that going all the way back to his childhood. Oh, I need you to make up the rules all the time when you're playing basketball. Especially as I was getting bigger

and I was like threatening to beat him. He's like, no, no, no, no. This is a four point, like it's one spot on the court where it shoot and make it. And he's like, this is a four point in, no. I think, I think I largely agree on the OB stuff, but I also can't help but think that six

might be a little more interesting if like the car path was OB. And it was like, you have to fit it. You have to, like, okay, people are hitting it so far at this point and all of these things that you've got to squeeze it between basically the bunker and the water and hit whatever you want. What if you just grew it up, grew the rough up?

That's probably what they'll do. To do that too. Yeah. I think there'd be a reason to be concerned if it was a huge advantage up there. If like, just follow like where the dots are going. Like if 10% of Tor Pros are hitting it over there, not that big of a deal. That's their choice. If it was very clearly the right play, then 90% of the players would do it.

And we'd have an issue, I think. So that's where I've kind of- Do you like in Corsobi? For pros, yeah, I don't give a shit. I don't like it for me, but I like it as a speed fan, do you like it? Yeah, because we wouldn't have to keep getting our hearts broken and just late on Sunday afternoon,

so you'd just be out of contention. So I love the, this is my favorite thing to do, is if I was playing that whole internment, I would aim directly at the bunkers and swing as hard as I can, and there's no way you would. Right, right. Like that's a great strategy.

Yeah, but that's, I'm kind of joking. No, I'm joking, but like, but you're not though, because that's kind of what they're doing. It's like the water, literally, no balls in the water, like that's supposed to be, isn't that supposed to be the whole point

of this great hole that everybody has raved and drooled about for a hundred years? And it's like, dude, that's where I'm with, our colleague, Gravy, is like that sucks. I mean, that sucks. I don't know how else to say it. I totally get where you're coming from. I absolutely sympathize with why a player would do it

and I don't blame them for doing it one bit. But it sucks. But it sucks. Yeah. And that's what I say with the TBC Boston thing too, is that sucked with JT blowing it into the other fairway, especially when you have, I know JT is not web and web is not JT, but they seem to have a lot

of the same talking points about, like, well, you just need to make better golf course architecture and then, you know need to make better golf course architecture and then that'll solve this whole thing. And it's like, well, fuck, man. If we're not gonna stay in the corridors here, like then we're not even having the same conversation. I can agree to disagree on the setup part.

It's just personal preference, right? Yeah, my issue again with it was like, why are we getting on the players for taking this route? And totally agree with that. And it's similar to some people, someone brought this up and it was like why are we getting on the players for taking this route and totally agree with that and it's The similar some people someone brought this up and it was a good point of like what the players using Grandstands as backboards. Yeah Yes, TIO really let's talk about that not TIO relief just banking balls off backboards and like being and they get in a drop from well But using it to stop your ball. I'm saying. Yeah, and basically putting people at harm's risk and you know

You that the issue with that is within the setup. Like the tour shouldn't have grandstands directly hanging on a green that guys can get out of position and banging off of. But if I'm a player in that situation, and that's an option to me, you're damn right. I'm gonna take it. Like, are you kidding me?

No, of course. I think the rules should change that if you are leaving the arena, and you are outside of the stadium of this professional golf hall Is that a is that a penalty is that out of bounds? You can't get out of bounds. It's not a property law. That's what you just told me The arena of the golf hall is very it's straightforward to me You always have the option to hit it out back if you're out of the arena

You can always hit it over just like you can always hit it out of a hazard You either get you don't get, you don't get a hundred yards of line of sight relief, okay? You get two club lengths, like you normally would, or you can, you know, replay the shot from where you were. Like it could, I think it should just be played like a normal freaking rule, man. It's the line of sight relief baffles me.

I think it's such BS out there. So, man. It's the line of sight relief baffles me. I think it's such BS out there. So, sorry. But one thing I wanna add to what you said, it does suck that six is being neutered. Okay, just this week. Yes, I think. That's the point. But 14 guys.

It only sucks once, like Solid Saiyan, I'm kind of in between you two. If 80% of the guys start doing that, then it sucks. Right now, it's almost like, oh, that's cool, until it's not cool, where they all keep, where next year they come back and 60% of the guys are, seems like a gremlin situation. You got to cut this thing off at the head.

I would argue, if the F, 80% of the guys were doing it, I'd have a problem with it probably. All right, something's kind of wrong with this whole, like guys, we're not doing this right. Again, respect the players' decision to do it. It is damning that nobody hit it in the water. And the water's not in play period, which isn't, doesn't have anything to do with guys hitting it left. It's just like, I wonder if, you know, just seeing it the number of water balls this week, I'm wondering if they're counting anything in the

hazardous water, because it's not technically water. It's a cliff. I don wondering if they're counting anything in the hazardous water because it's not technically water. It's a cliff. I don't know. But the shot length data shows zero balls in the water. I don't know if that means there were no penalties in the penalty area or whatever. So okay. Another thing that was presented on Twitter, I forget who tweeted this at us, but simply ask the question of like, all right, what could the tour look at, you know, speed was in a lead going into the day and then looking at everyone that was tied for second. And there is a current rule on, you know, basically,

it's when you, is it score after Saturday or is it time that you finished? First in, last out. First in, last out. Okay. So if you're in a tie with anyone for a a tea time in any way, it go the tie breaker defaults to where when you finished. So if you were in an earlier group and probably mean you had a lower number, you get the later tea time

on Sunday, which gave us Tom Hogi Jordan's beef and Nate Lashley in the last group when they were Nate Lashley and Tom Hogi were both tied with Patrick Cantlay and Daniel Berger. Which I said on Twitter, if you told me a couple years ago, Jordan Speed is in the final group with Nate Lashley and Tom Hogi, I would have been extremely concerned about what tour you were talking about. That's disrespectful, Dej. So I, I, I, I, I'm not saying I've just said, Peter Kossis mentioned something similar

when we had him on the podcast. He was, I think it was on the podcast. I hope I didn't air out a private conversation we had, but his case was more so like Friday into Saturday because it's kind of so random with the draw that you get Thursday Friday that the tour should take control of Saturday pairings and match guys up as they want.

He texted me today and said, like, yeah, just so you know, like, I'm good with how they do it Sunday. So I didn't mean to throw them under the bus there, but I think it's worth discussing, like, all right. Entertainment product, when it comes to ties, is would it be crazy if the tour kind of rejiggered things so that was best for fans and attendance

and best for a TV product. It's a question I have for you. I'm not positive where I net out there, but I think it's interesting to think about. Yeah, that's a tough one. I feel like it is, well, that enhanced my viewing experience undoubtedly, yes, for sure. But also, I mean, it is tough when, like, let's say that was a player like

Mav. I mean, Tom Hogi's a good example too of like a young-ish player who's been on tour for a couple of years. And, you know, when you're taking away someone like that's chance of like playing with Jordan's beef in a final group, like that sucks for their development, you know, and it kind of, I'm sure that there's something that, there's something, of course, that Tom Hogi picked up from Jordan's beef and Greller today, that he'll take with him for the rest of his career, probably, right?

It could be positive, it could be negative, it could be whatever, but it's something in that, even if Tom Hogi never played another tournament, I'm sure he would, at some point, like tell stories of, man, I was in the final group at Pebble Beach with Jordan Spieth. And it does kind of blow to just blanket, take that away because someone hasn't, you know, won enough, I guess.

That said, would I rather, you know, would I rather see Spieth and Burger and can't lay pair together? Like, yeah, of course, but that's a tough one. It's a tough, it's a tough, it's a tough, sword to swing. To that, I would say Nate Lashley, $301,000 this week, Tom Hogi, $181,000 this week's what the money's for. I feel very good about how you, of course, how this worked out for you.

And Neil, what do you think? I think, I guess my point, sorry, I'm with you. I get wrapping my point real quick is you don't't know what those guys are gonna do in the future Right, and so you don't want to stave off Their development if if that was you know, so I say it was oxhayer someone like that and and he got bumped for the can't lay burger group It's like fuck man that looking back in five years 10 years like who knows what oxhayer wouldn't have picked up in that final group You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I think it also works with people's outlast also, is unfair to, you know, if

spieth knows, if guys are tied, but spieth knows what the guys in front of them already done, already did, does that give him more of an advantage? And yada yada yada. I think, I yield my time. I think with the tour though, it is, you have T-time categories, right? So if Tom Hogi has beat down the door and won twice on tour, you might be in the same category as these guys. And then you don't get, in this hypothetical, you don't get bumped.

If you have won on tour, then you have like earned your, you know, you, you stay in that final group. I'm not even positive. It's the best thing for a player to be in the final group. I think there's definitely a case to be made when you are tied for a number to be in an earlier group and be able to put pressure on to, you know, the guy, it's a little slower in that last group because you're going to be playing almost a surely playing with the leader. If there was a clear cut advantage to one of the times, and I'm sure there's data out there that shows there is one one way or the other. It's

probably pretty small, but if there's a clear cut advantage advantage, I think that it's a, I would not even broke the topic, right? Because I think it's, so bacon text me is like, this would be like rearranging NBA matchups. I'm like, no, you're not, it's not a one-on-one matchup. Like you're still just playing against the golf course, right? It's only if someone's tied. Yes, and it's only if someone's tied.

I'm not talking about taking Tiger, who's 12 shots off the pace and putting him in the last group. That's not I'm not talking about taking Tiger whose 12 shots off the pace and putting him in the last group. That's not what we're talking about. It's just more so like, we have this very kind of arbitrary way of setting the pairings come Sunday. Wouldn't it make sense if we want people to watch this thing to make the most entertainment package possible?

I don't think it, I think the fact that we're discussing this right now when there's no fans is almost pointless. Like the telecast is jumping around from group to group. You kind of feel like I forget who's playing with who sometimes. Honestly, it's been so long since we've had fans. I didn't even think about that. The fact, like there, think about, no, the where matters is if, you know, Mav was playing with speed and he's got a fans five deep.

That's exactly what I was going to say. That's where that's impactful right now. I mean, there's nobody out there. So like who's playing with who? It doesn't matter. So you gotta think about it with fans there and I think it's more of a nerves thing. And it's a good point.

Ah, you know, I'm giving it the John McCain thumbs down. Yeah, I kind of like to know. Because then it's a little bit like does a guy like Mav, if it's almost like I don't really trust a tour, like to put their hand on the scale, number one, and do it right. And two, I think there would be some, not unfair,

but there'd be some missed opportunities for where you're playing under pressure, like in a final round with a DJ or somebody. You know a good example would be is friend of the pod, Adam Long, playing with Phil Mettelson in the final group. And I forget who the third in that group was, but I thought it was another fairly sizable name.

But seeing someone like Adam Long who had to that point, not really done much on the PJ tour, probably would have gotten bumped out if they were tied going to the final, find around, I forget if they were not. Like instead you had him toe to toe, with Phil, he gets on 18, he hits one of the five best shots of the season and just like stares him down and beats him. It's like, yeah, he's probably going to take some good stuff from that, you know?

Yeah. Yes. And there were several pros chiming in when I brought the discussion of like, no, if I get that spot, I, you know, I want, I want it. I've earned it. I was also kind of like, that's kind of not the point here. Like I don't, like the Tor Pro is obviously going to have that, you know, stance here, but I'm coming at it

this from a pure entertainment standpoint. And like the question is, it's more entertaining. If there is, I don't know if it is. No, it's like, it sets up the duel between, you know, speed and JT. It gives a tour of the opportunity to set up this gunslinger match in the final group, you know, speed and JT. It gives a totally opportunity to set up this gunslinger match in the final group, you know, between guys, but I just don't really trust

that that's gonna pan out all the time. Like golf, it's such, it's so hard. You don't know that like the two, you know, alphas that are tied in this group of guys are both gonna play well. I think you just having that structure, I think is a good thing because I find that half the time it's fun to see if the new guy, the journeyman,

whoever like, hold, do this guy's gonna get bombed, you know? And it's also fun to see people get eviscerated. Yeah, and then he stays, he hangs around, you're like, do he's holding his own? Like, and that's how he, yeah, or he does it. Like, I think that's a good storyline. An interesting thing is a viewer as well. So I don't think, I don't think it's necessary as where I, where I, that out. And right now, I don't think that's a good storyline. An interesting thing is a viewer as well. So I don't think it's necessary where I net out.

And right now, I don't think it's necessary to have this conversation because there are no fans. That doesn't matter who's playing with anybody. There's no pressure out there right now. Weirdly, it feels like the masters is the place where this would go the furthest. Yes. That's the place where I feel like I've had this feeling

the most amount of times where you get to Saturday night and you're like, oh man, we were so close. I wish it would have been this feeling the most amount of times where you get to Saturday night and you're like, ah, man, we were so close. I wish it would have been this person, this person, this person, it's good. But I feel like it would end up doing more harm than good. I think people love the status quo. And if it had been like this in the past, that they kind of grew up it by categories if you're tied

for 20 years, everyone would be like, yeah, that makes, we can't change that. But you would also be sick of them like DJ being like, God, they always put team rows in the last group. He doesn't, he's not like, why? There's a room for all the fans. Yeah, like, no, but like, why is that guy, you know, it'd be like, like, Randy be complaining, like, Ricky always gets the bump, right?

Like, that's bullshit. I don't, I'm sick of watching Ricky not. But I can't through in the last group. It would be a college, college, college, giants. Yeah. It's kind of watching Ricky not but I can't through in the last group. We're talking about. We're talking about. It's kind of watching guys every week. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

America's team come on, man. But we're talking about tie breakers and we're talking about an already arbitrary system for tie breakers. That's where I'm at. It's not, I'm not. Let me ask you this. Are you voting thumbs up on this?

You seem like you're on the fence. I am 51% up. Are you thumbs down? How comes down? Then you don't have to vote. So it's over. Vote it down. No, no, no, that's it.

Moving out things work. Move moving on. I don't think you've got enough critical thought as it would be my, what would be my thing. I think I just gave critical thought for five minutes. I'm sure you did just went all, no, you just gave, you just went non-sequitur on my ass with Ricky Fowler

and gonna reroute again. Oh, that's what, I was my point about like, I don't trust the tour to like, you know, do it properly. I feel like they, you, I was my point about like, I don't trust the tour to like, you know, do it properly. I feel like they, you know, it's like, like, I don't know. They probably put your boy Fina in the last group and he continued to gas it.

Do you want that? Maybe he doesn't need to be in the last group. Sure, I think they'd be entertaining. They'd probably put him in the second to last group, to try to get him to the second. Cause he's not a weak one. Yeah, I think there's a, that's true. And he's not, yeah, he's barely a winner.

So he's a winner. Get this guy out of here. Uh, you, like, they, they, they, they do this He's a winner. Get this guy out of here. They do this for the first Thursday and Friday rounds. They make tea times like this, so. Sure. So you're just talking about for Saturday, not for Sunday. I'm talking about for Sunday. For Sunday.

For Sunday. I think Saturday makes a lot of sense. A ton of sense. So I agree with you there. Yes. I think that's where we can maybe find some compromise. I think I'm Saturdays, that'd be great. But I do think, I think Neil said this, or maybe alluded some compromise. I think I'm sadder, is that'd be great. But I do think Neil said this, or maybe alluded to it,

is if the TV product, this is not even, I'm not even being sarcastic, if the TV product's good, I almost kind of like, doesn't really matter who's paired with who, you know. I forgot who was playing with who today. You know, and there's three groups of three, I was like, I kind of disagree with that. Unless it's a shootout at Trune or something.

A match where the guys are hitting the same shots right next to each other, I think, means something. It probably, it definitely helps if it's a two-man rate. Today it was kind of a free-for-all until the very end. We're not, no, sorry, until Burger finished, right? Where it was like, there was a bunch of, like, can't lay, it was hanging around and, last night, it was up there, tied for the lead

and it just felt like there was a ton of... I guess when I'm getting at it, it felt like they were bouncing back and forth between different groups more so than normally when some tournaments when it's one or two or three guys. And I'm not loving you guys in this category, but I just want to challenge people in general. Like this, the status quo of how things are,

especially when things are very arbitrary, like Ryder Cup points, the way they do it, is so arbitrary. So when it comes to writer cup season, and you know, when they make cappons picks, and people legitimately make the argument of like, you can't, why wouldn't you pick the seventh guy on the point says, well, the point list is stupid. Like, look at how they do it.

Like, think about how they actually do it. I think it's kind of, I don't know the actual reason behind first in, last out, other than like having an actual protocol for doing it, I don't see like the competition reason for that. I don't, I don't know if that's the best option. I think it is totally fair to challenge that to be like, you know, maybe you do want a system that includes more underdogs in the last group, and it's not a Q rating thing, but it is fair to be like, why is that the role? I almost think you could, if you wanted to compromise further,

you could put like a threshold of where you're gonna manipulate the groupings and where you're not. Like outside the top 20, starting the day, like yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna move some guys around because more guys are gonna be tied and all those things like that.

I think you would get a lot more, obviously I don't have these numbers in front of me, but I would imagine going into a, you know, going into any round, you would have a lot more of, oh, Tiger and filler tied, but they're not paired together. Like let's put them together, types of moments. Whereas instead, it's like, oh, we've only had a very, very small handful of those.

So, but I imagine if I'm from the tour perspective, yeah, in that situation in my like, cross fingers behind the scenes, like, hope we get the match. No, no, that's from me. Yeah, I think like how silly is that? Yeah, is where I'm at. Yes, if you want to, if they wanted to test this out, I just, I'm not very passionate about it either way. Yeah. I just think, and especially right now when there's no fans, when they're, I would honestly think, yeah, let's test it out when there are fans, because I think that's when it would actually matter is what I'm getting at. Yep, I'm with you there.

Not a great week on the on the on the scorecard for our guy, Kamayu Johnson, hope people got a chance to listen to the podcast this past week. As I was watching it and I commend, I don't even have much more for hamster day in this week, but commend the way they covered it for Thursday and Friday. Just covering his story and like, it got me really thinking and listening to the interview, and this could be an hour long conversation, but I wanted to float the question to you guys.

What are your thoughts on a minority exemption into every PGA tour event? I know there's some complications, come with invitations, all that kind of stuff, but I know you're throwing the questions around us. Let me ask you, what do you think about this? Because you've talked to him, you had a little insight. What where are you at here to start? Well, we're we're thinking about this I

Would encourage people to think about this from the perspective of What it if the tour if the tour is very serious about more diversity more inclusion in both PJ tour golf and in the game of golf in general. I think it helps so much for the more that like young minorities see minorities on television and like see this as a possibility that if this is an actual goal for you, this is a way to achieve it. So I would say that this should be something, if it's not, I don't, it's weird, like, I don't want necessarily say a Rooney rule, but I think it's a question like the tour should work with every sponsor to be like, for your unrestricted spots, what are your considerations for this? What do you think about this? What is your process? What

process have you gone through for diversity and inclusion in terms of what you want to do with these spots? Now, I think nailed it right there. Like working with the sponsor to do it. I think with the sponsor exemptions, I think that's, I would fully support that. Right? Because they're already pretty, you know, a little black box-ish. Like, you don't really know what's going on. So I think having, using those sponsor exemptions, and let's face it, like, you know, farmers is getting a ton of, you know, it's benefiting them.

Kamayu Johnson's benefiting them, right? I mean, they're kind of, you know, using it as a marketing tactic, right? And it's like, so win-win, but at the same time, like, you could, it's good business, I guess, is what I'm getting at. So it is win-win, and it is, you know, the stink factor wasn't really there that much with farmers, honestly, like in watching the interview with, I forget Jeff Dele, I think the CEO of Farmers with Kamayo,

and like how, like the reason he's why he gave him the exemption, it felt, like I don't know, that felt kind of good to me. It felt very real to me. Sure. And that was a feel good story, and it just got me thinking again, it's a complicated topic, but I think it is, a process in place to like have more consideration

around these things happening is great for golf. And you know what else I think would be good is golf so far behind on diversity and inclusion, it's like yeah, that's a good idea. How about more ideas like that? So okay, if that's, if someone disagrees with that, we'll give you another one. How are we gonna get more minorities play golf?

Also, again, shout out to Telehassy. I was gonna say, I was gonna do it. And James, come on. I encourage everybody to watch this week's draft, which is at Highlam in golf course, which is where Kamayu learned to play the game. He was roaming around in the woods, as was well documented. I'm sure all over the telecast. He was swinging a stick and he ran

into Jan Ogger and she gave him a free bucket of balls and hooked for life. So go listen to that podcast if you haven't already. I thought you did an excellent job with this interview. One thing I would hope is you don't want it to be a guaranteed spot and dudes are shooting Hope is you don't want it to be a guaranteed spot and dudes are shooting 84 86 right like that's that's not good for anybody. I guess is what I'm getting at if it's a guaranteed and it's check the box activity exactly I there need to be some type like like let's do it right. Yes, but I I think there's a tough good Black golfers out there that we could get like this could this be done properly. Well, especially, and I think it's a, you know,

going back to strapped, you know, we're talking to Cameron Riley last week who was a member of the the FAMU golf team, and he's talking about how, well, because I am ranked number five, you know, in the Advocate's Pro Tour collegiate rankings, if I maintain that ranking, then I get all my Advocates Tour events paid for and I can travel that tour and it's a stepping stone, right?

If you had, I have no idea how this works or what the depth looks like or what the finances look like or anything like that. But if you had some sort of partnership like that, whether it's with the Advocates Tour or with a collegiate program or with, you know, certain spots where, like you said, there's no shortage of, you know, black offers who can break par. There's very, very good players all over the country, all over the world that can do that. And I think you would need some sort of infrastructure to figure out who those guys are. And like you said, it's not someone that's going out and shooting 87 every week. But I think if you had that, like, you know, if you had that goal or you

had that pathway, it keeps guys, it makes all those feeders stronger, right? You know what I mean? Like it, it, it makes the advocates to our better. It makes those collegiate programs better. It gives a light at the end of the tunnel to like, man, if I really bust my ass and win this advocate's tour event, I get to play on the PJ tour. You know what I'm saying? It makes all those strong. It's almost similar to like what we've said in the past as a company. Like if we want to support like charity initiatives or diversity initiatives, it's like the initial and what I would hope the tour wouldn't do if this was a serious combo would be, let's just start it from scratch. It's not that.

It's like there's already these, the APGAs already in place. Like work with the structures that are already there to be like, yo, how can we make your tour more valuable, more people wanna play on it? Because they could potentially get a sponsor's exemption into X, Y, and Z, PGA, Tor event. Instead of like, let's just, oh, let's just give a, you know, the, a few good story sponsorship every week. I think, uh, so I'm with you, Dej. I think you've got to work

within what you got to work with what you already have out there. One, it's either, either golf is forever going to be a rich and white man's game, or you can slowly chip away at it. Sure. There's this is a way to slowly chip away at it. That goal is into the Kamaeupad. Go listen to the story, the opportunities that were given to him, and think like, did any of us in this room, and we did not make it to professional golf, did any of us have to overcome any of those hurdles? Did we pick up clubs at 13 for the first time, never getting fit for clubs?

Do we didn't have that hurdle to overcome? So like he was not given the opportunities. If you do want to change how golf looks, people like him and people that look like him and minorities need a better opportunity to get into the game. And it's something, and the reason why I think it's important to discuss

is like, it's something people have talked about for a very long time, and I don't know what the action is, and that might be on me, maybe I haven't done enough research on what it is, but like bringing this, bringing, come out into the event, bringing William back into events,

starts this conversation that we're having it now, and it's important, and I strongly believe that. So. And we would be remiss also if we didn't mention that, you know, next week's the Genesis has done this for quite a few years. They've done the Charlie Stifferd exemption,

which goes to a minority player every year. And so I think Willie Mack is playing in Riviera as well. So there are definitely people who have done this and steps that have done this, but I think taking it to the next level would be, yeah, making sure that there's something like that at each event. Last shout out to Tallahassee think taking it to the next level would be, yeah, making sure that there's something like that at each of it. Last shout out to Tallahassee. Shout out to Fort A&M University, who will be on this upcoming

strapped episode for the top five ranked black golfers in the country on that team. The rattlers? The rattlers. You hear him coming? Yeah. All right, a couple more things here before. We're going to get close to two hours for the third week in a row here Just a lot to discuss golf rules were back in the spotlight this week I missed the Russell Knox thing today. I didn't get to see that but madmigneely's ball Moved while he addressed it on the fifth hole There was some video evidence that was viewed and determined that it he had caused his ball to move

Open question does if a player accidentally makes his ball move, do you guys think it should be a penalty? As the rules are written now, yes. Do I think that sucks? Like did I watch that? I was like, man, that sucks. It's like, yeah, I do feel that way. But you gotta, you know, legislate a little bit then.

We gotta change the laws, but that's a penalty. Like, you gotta, maybe he's gotta think. Like, don't touch the you gotta, maybe he's gotta think, like, don't touch the grass there. My question, why move it back if you're gonna get penalized? What do you mean? So he had to replace his ball where it was. All right. And take a penalty.

Why wouldn't it just count as like a stroke? Like, no, you made the ball move, like that is your stroke. Yeah, I think that's, so yeah, that's, I would agree with you there. I think where I'm at, I think that's so yeah, that that's I would agree with you there. I think where I'm at I have strangely like no feelings about this because I think I'm just generally confused like if you listen to burger during the the US play with Russell Knox today and burger was even like as the rules official was leaving because I think the rules official had said with Russell Knox like no

you're you're good like you didn't make it move or whatever, and yeah, it's cool, don't worry about it. And then I guess they must have reversed that later. I was kind of doing some other stuff during the early part of the broadcast, but I did hear it. At least Burger was kind of like, all right, wait a minute, before you go,

I don't think I know what's going on here. Like, I don't think I know what the rule is. And so, he's like, I'm not, Russell, I'm not trying to get you penalized. He's Russell, I'm not trying to get you penalized. He's like, I am not trying to get you penalized. He's just like, I don't get it. Like, what's going on? And that's exactly how I feel.

Whereas the Mav thing and the Russell Knox thing, I'm like, I don't know how that's different than the Dustin Johnson utter thing. And the classic example of like, oh, do we have a video? If you have a video, you're screwed. But if we don't, or you know, it's like, it is a little bit just inconsistent.

It's inconsistent. Yeah, I don't know what, because with rules like this, there's always something you're guarding against, right? So that like if Mav's ball moves like that and isn't a penalty, then can a player bury his club underneath a lie? And if it moves, there's nothing, there's no risk there, right? It's like Ramit Memorial, that's a penalty.

Like he didn't mean to do it, but they penalized them after the fact. Like I don't have an issue with that rule. I do kind of think you have a point with, like, they didn't make Ram go back and put his ball back, like, and replay the whole. Yeah, two-shot penalty. Now, I'm confused as to why his was two shots, because he didn't put it back. Because he didn't put it back, right?

Like, he played it. Who could say that? I mean, that's the only thing I can think of. This is where I, I don't know. I hate to just kind of like throw my hands up, rather than actually learn the rule, but it's just, it's gotten so confused and that I'm just like,

what did Randy said on Twitter? I had no idea. He's like, man, I can't, I can't watch in this, this mad thing. I can't believe this, this, something like this would turn off. This sports not wildly popular with the youth. Yeah.

It's like, no one knows what's going on. No one knows what rules. Quick hamster damn thing. Kevin Strylman had a putt for for birdie on 12 today. It's a tie just a very quick hamster on Sunday. It was the third shot we saw from him. Although they did bring to our attention through audio that he made an eagle on the 10th hole today. That was that was my only hamster damn thing. I think CBS has been should be applauded for unbelievably beautiful shots. I think they've done awesome stuff with the drones. I think CBS should be applauded for unbelievably beautiful shots. I think they've done awesome stuff with the drones. I think I've thought the commentators have actually been pretty good.

I think it's been totally fine. Way too many commercials. Way too many commercials. Way too many promos. I still have no flow. I still feel like a sucker for watching golf. But that's, I've come to peace with all those things. I have not.

But where I struggle is just like, dude, oh, we've talked about, you brought the rules official in yesterday to talk about how we're moving the teas around. We're moving the tea up on number 10. First time we're using this tea box, it's gonna be such an unbelievably awesome hole. We didn't see it until like the second

to last group got there. Unbelievable. Kevin Ström made a fucking eagle there. He hold out from like 115 yards to get to what, within one, within two. It's like capital. It's not your dividend. Come on. You guys put some stock in this and it is going to work off. Yeah, exactly. And even golf channel in the early, early part of the coverage. We didn't even see ten or like, God, that stuff just sets up the whole rest of the

time. I've got two hamster antics. Sorry, I'm not done. Okay. All right. That you said you have one thing. It is one thing. Instead of seeing that eagle, we saw the gym dance, like here's part of Old Tom Wars's tie or some shit that like, that was part of the game. That was part of the game. You're giving gym dance some award that no one knows what the fuck it is. And it's just like, he's always winning awards

I've never heard of. That's like dude, that's why we're upset. That's why we're upset. So I got two things. Get out of your own way man, you're doing so much good stuff. To your point that was literally having simultaneously. That's what I'm saying. Yes.

One, a lot of commercials, but one specific commercial. The AT&T commercial with the, you know, their girl in the AT&T store. I'm not a girl. I don't play golf. It's like, ah man, you know what? Why you got like, is it, you're basically just asking for 90% of viewers to be like,

I hate that, I hate it. Like, I hate it. I don't get this sport. It's like, you're just bugging me. And you're showing me that commercial like 18 times. Like, whoever, AT&T's agency is, whoever came up with that concept should lose their job. Or at least, they should not be on that account anymore. Because clearly, they don't understand the demographic who's watching the tournament.

Like that's not a good commercial for avid golf fans. Not to unkorke a larger discussion, but this keeps going back to so many of the things we say where it's just like, man, does everybody involved with this sport fucking hate this sport? I know, it's like you're, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that?

I don't think that's funny. I think that's insulting. I think that commercial is dumb and and I don't like it. And my second take on the coverage is, the coverage has gotten better. But there's a lot of little, like, almost passive aggressive things, like Nance on 18. They had like the drone shop,

and somebody goes, oh, look at that angle. Just like somebody acknowledge it. You know, like you can just hear it as voice, like he's just kind of trying to call it out. Like, look at, see what we're doing? Like look at this drone angle. You know's like what you can't start you know scratching your own back but not only that he said you know drone images we've never seen before from Pebble Beach.

Yes. So you know Fox literally did this. Here's the guy like they invented the drone at Pebble Beach like they you were actually went in the booth Jim and talked about the amazing drone images with there with them. So that was that, my hands are in thing, but it, whatever. They've praised progress. Praise pro. I think the positives have wildly outweighed their,

it seems like they're trying. And I think the effort, I appreciate the effort. They've improved enough that they are not sticking out as being a true weakness in golf coverage. Now I have to, how bad NBC was last week. Now I'm like, honestly, I don't care who has it this week. Just do whatever. Do I have a big problem with the overall structure of both of them?

Of course, but like they're at least now, you know, indifferent from each other. So Sun Kang and Joel Damon were paired today together today. Did you see the quote from Gene open early? Go ahead, read some. I don't have it pulled up, but he basically said, we got to the first T and Song said to Joel quote, my friends told me I should push you off a cliff, which is

they were on Tenty. So I think your drop was scummy. That of course goes back to where was that quick and the loans, I think Potomac, TBC Potomac about, hopefully, something like that. Taking what Joel claimed to be a very cavalier drop and that's been going on for about two years. So they were paired together. Do it, it's not personal, but you took a scummy drop. Do you know then, of course, follow it up and said, we actually, you know, everybody laughed it off

and we had a good time. One of the follow-ups to that tweet is, what do you tell the cops? He pushed him over to spot about a hundred yards in front of the access. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think he went it over there. I don't know why he did it. What do you tell the cops? He pushed him over to spot about 100 yards in front of the actual Yeah, I think you went it over there. I don't know why you can't find the body. I don't know why, you know, that's from Bobby B.

Oh, 1990, not to steal that one, but that was that's a strong reply. Anything else you guys have as we wrap this, uh, I would say what just pose a question. You guys favorite mansion surrounding Pebble Beach. I was thinking about this today. I mean, it's gotta be, I mean, only cause I can't remember any of the other, it's gotta be the Qualtrics mansion,

right off, right off 18 Fairway. I was gonna say TC alert of me to one out behind, I think it's 10 green, where the guy's been doing like non-stop renovation because he's trying to avoid like the prenup from kicking in, like where he's got to like sell the house or something. So anyway, I thought that, you know, you just, whenever I see these big houses, the first thing I think is like, what, what do you guys do? Like what's your story? Like all, especially up that like 11,

I think that guy, well, I think I asked about that guy and he was like a big developer, land developer, if I remember right. Yeah, but that doesn't help him. Those houses towards the back of the property, I think are like, that's where I'm like, what do you guys do? You know like Chuck Schwab and all the boys are up front. Like, I don't need, you know,

you got your chip and ranges and stuff. Like, yeah, cool, we see you. But the guys in the back of the property, that's like the quiet money in a way. You're like, whoa. I would give a shout out to the trap draw this week with Joanne Doast, all about Carmel Monterey, the whole, the peninsula. One fact I always forget is it's either Carmel or Carmel by the sea or I don't

know how those are different or if they're different. But one of them doesn't have addresses, which she goes into great detail, describing about how the houses all have names. So the post office, like the post worker has to figure out what the name of the house is and match it up to it. It's just, that's truly like creating issues and answering questions. Nobody would ask that. Nobody would ask that.

Nobody would ask that. But that always tickles me every year, Pebble. I just remember when we were out there for Taurusos, season three, parking the RV there. It was like, whoa, I feel really out of place. We stuck out just a little bit. Yeah, definitely. You guys good? Great.

I'm hungry, I'm ready for dinner. Yeah, this was a great discussion. Thank you both for being here. Hey, just like the tournament today, like, you know, kind of not a strong field, but you kind of ended, you know. I think it, you know, if you focus on the golf, I think you still turn out a pretty good product.

So, you know, great podcasting your own, right? The top 10 will be back next week, don't worry. It's all I thank you for podcasting alongside Nate Lashley and Tom Hogue here. Even though the prize money wasn't as big, you know, I think you still did a good job. Well, it's all as an ATT ambassador, that's what I, yeah, I don't play golf.

We would have repaired the parings there for that. Exactly, yeah, it would have been you and Max had vacant. And me and Neil, we would have been poiling away. We weren't to work on our craft at all. Like now you're gonna have the whole point. Yeah, you're gonna let the whole, like all boats rise now.

Exactly. We're only as strong as our weakest ones. That's right. I might just actually cut you off Thanks everybody for tuning in That's better than most That is better than most Expect anything different Better than most.