No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 403: Genesis Recap

Episode Date: February 22, 2021

Max Homa! The 2021 Genesis Invitational champ (briefly) calls into the show, and the boys react to his emotional win, Finau's incredible Sunday 64, a wild Saturday at Riviera, Mike Whan at the USGA, a...nd a lot more from an action packed week.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. of the Genesis imitational solid here, TC is here. Never a doubt, never a doubt. Not even one doubt was ever shared in this group. DJ Pies here. You're the process man, trust the process.
Starting point is 00:00:52 We've seen it before and now we've seen it again. Lastly, Neil is here. I'm jacked up, I don't know what to say. Jacked up or tear it up? I've just jacked up, it's gonna be a do-it-life kind of pot, I think. Do it live. We usually spend a few minutes. Yeah, we usually spend a few minutes like planning How we're gonna say today is just like now. Let's just let's just send it. We are gonna say one thing first
Starting point is 00:01:12 You're gonna hear us talk a little bit about Sam Burns in this episode. We're gonna set the table real quick Quick overview of what's in the bag and a way to learn more about him if you're not familiar Friday, Cal way tweeted a video about Burns is called the jump gives you an insight into his background personality and his hidden talent which I bet you guys didn't know what you probably do know because you watch the video but he can operate an excavator really yes interesting you didn't watch the video no I did I just forgot my son Freddie can also up yeah I said Freddie's new favorite player yeah so you can watch the two minute video and see that but terms of his on-course skills, first in Stroke's game approach on Thursday, the round
Starting point is 00:01:46 that set him up for the rest of the tournament. For those approach shots, he's got the same Apex prototype irons that Ram and now Zander having the bag and he's using an Apex 23 degree hybrid set of jaws, raw wedges. And he's playing the Chromesoft X Golf Ball. He said, I love this ball. It's so fast on the driver. It gives me all the shots that I need. There were a lot more Chromesoft X balls. They're visible in that Sunday. Burns, Ram, Mollinari, N love this ball. It's so fast on the driver gives me all the shots that I need. There were a lot more crumbs off the x balls.
Starting point is 00:02:05 They're visible in that son. It burns, rambles, anari, noren, rogers, among others playing these. The gouch was just a little bit stuck in between in the middle. He was going to shoehorn that one. You're going to stick that one in a better way. That was making one the show regardless. I thought I saw a utility club in there. The x forged.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Maybe check the Darryl survey for that. I don't know. I'll tell my head. Neil, the Daryl Survey is, he's also the Daryl Survey. I have no idea. That's fair, that's fair. That's inside my spot.
Starting point is 00:02:32 That's fair. No, no. It's just like the survey of all the players clubs that are in play during internment. So I'll do my research next week. Thank you, thank you TC. Multimedia countable. To round out Burns' this bag,
Starting point is 00:02:44 he's got an Odyssey number seven putter which he loves on the account of the easy alignment that it gives him. So. I mean, I was impressed with Burns. I know. He was great. I've been on him. He's played so well on Thursday, Friday, the last really eight weeks or so. And then finally, you know, he's like God, crazy upside. Yeah. Crazy upside. A lot of swagger. Yeah, I'm going to play 60, 3D, 64, really, really good holes at golf. So he's getting there.
Starting point is 00:03:11 So was this a good start to the year for the tour this last month? Was the West Coast swing exciting? Like, yes. And yes, and almost in spite of them. That's the best part. I wish you weren't right, but I'm nodding because it's like, yeah, you want to give him credit, but it's like, man, they're still. They didn't really, yeah, they don't really deserve credit for it.
Starting point is 00:03:31 And it's worked out incredibly in the last month. I draw a high theater. You almost forget that there's not been fans of these things, waste management, there was some, but like the golf, even exciting tournaments, we're feeling very boring there for a while. Like the Ram DJ one, the BMW championship, just, I don't know, I feel like it fizzled just the fact that it didn't have fans despite some exciting moments. And then this little stretch comes, maybe it's just because it's people that we like that have been involved, but Max Homa got it done.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Little stressful there. The three flittered. Do we start there? No, I think we start. No, I think we start with the Bowie free or there's just the Bowieer. Do we start there? No, I think we start. No, I think we start with a three or there's just the bowie free. What? What? 66? The bogey free day, as he mentioned in his.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Well, let's set the stage for the day, right? Because going into the day, we can talk about Saturday and all that. But like going into the day, we had, Sam Burns had what, four, three shot lead, four shot lead going into the final round, like after they finished up this morning. Going into the final round, he had a two shot lead. Two shot lead. He got. Yeah, he shot 74 and round three. He was minus nine going into the day. And Max was at minus seven. So it felt like something that there were, there were like, it was like, all right, it's, can Burns get this done? There's, there's some hunters chasing him. And I would include Max in that,
Starting point is 00:04:45 because he's been striking the shit out of his golf ball the last four, five, six weeks. There was a volume of guys back there willing, willing and ready to make a move. And for Burns to have to like sleep on the lead, Thursday night, Friday night, go through that whole thing Saturday, play a little bit of golf Saturday afternoon, come out early Sunday morning, play, and then go rest up, then go out in the final group,
Starting point is 00:05:06 and keep a lead. That's a lot to ask. I want to thank you, by the way, for rejiggering the final group. You're welcome. I know you're a big fan of the current system that you couldn't even define earlier. Here's what I'm gonna say before we talk about
Starting point is 00:05:18 how the groups are meant. You need to decide whether you're in or out of this idea. Because you keep waffling back and forth. Every time someone pokes a hole in you, like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't even know if I don't know if I'm in on it. Just their team. I'm 100% in on that they could,
Starting point is 00:05:30 there could be a better way to do it than there is right now. Okay, we can find common ground. Okay, that's where I'm at. It's like everyone's, no, I earned it. No, it's a damn tie breaker. Like that is where I'm at on this. Is why do we take what is currently being done as gospel?
Starting point is 00:05:43 We can talk more about that later. But Max went out and played pretty much, yes, a flawless round of golf. He hit 9 of 14 fairways, which at Riviera is enormous. Especially how they're rolling out, how they're canted. It's just, it was unbelievable stuff. Round three, guess what the field's fairway hit percentage was? 55.
Starting point is 00:06:03 42%. Oh my gosh. I don't know. I assume that it's more attributed to the firmness than it is narrow fairways. I'm not saying narrow fairways are what we're going to say Saturday. Saturday.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Round three. What includes today, too, because round three finished today. But yeah, the wind was a contributing factor. But even the early rounds, it was below 50% fairways hit. So yeah, he's T8 today and hitting in the volume of fairways he hit. But I'm just trying, I mean, I, I know we're kind of scattered. I don't really know where to start.
Starting point is 00:06:30 I'm trying to think of a shot he missed today. You know what I mean? It was, well, he struggled on the one on 10. No, on the front nine, what's the, what's the par three? He got it up and down today, but he bogeyed it. Bogey four. Number four. Yeah, four is four eight is what.
Starting point is 00:06:43 He missed all we ate. He missed long right there. Bogey bogey the first three were up and down. Um, which even that one is I don't know what it was playing today. It was like two four like two yes, like two twenty six. So it's that one. And I think it was downwind yesterday. I don't know where it was today. But even that one, I'll give him a pass on that one.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I guess. But after that, I mean, it was fairways greens, fat parts of the greens. It was like watching major championship golf. You know, I mean, it was like watching major championship golf. You know what I mean? It was like watching someone win the USO. Well, that was like, so from a golf. Sit there with strategy perspective. Sit there with Neil watching him play 12, 13.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Those are hard, hard. So hard. I think hard is on the course. And he's missing, like he's missing 20 foot birdie pots. Yeah. It was like man, like he had a lot of stress for me to go in. But at the end of the day, like he's still putting from 20 feet for birdie.
Starting point is 00:07:28 That said, did he need to be left to the flag on 14 when he knows what else? He knows in the book. Maybe not the book. Maybe not, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I think that was pulled a little bit. That was probably the left edge of his variance
Starting point is 00:07:39 of where he was gonna hit that ball. I'm trying to think back some shots. You asked, where did he miss? I'd say the second into 17. Yeah, which even, that's not a horrible shot. No, that was not a bad one. No, that was not a bad one. But if you asked him, I would say he probably, you know.
Starting point is 00:07:53 If I didn't want to be there, but to that pin, you could chip straight up the hill at least and it probably wasn't like horrifying to be there. Well, Deij, going back to 14 in regulation, he hit, he hit, well looked like a great shot. Like, I was like, I was like, hoop it? Like, maybe he's trying to fly it into the hole. But he went along left, Icarito Miss.
Starting point is 00:08:12 For sure. And really good up and down there. But yeah, that was one that, that was really the only one that I can kind of recall on the last few holes. It was like, all right, like, this was a little bit sketchy. It was just a, it was a really, really stout round a golf. It was, it had a lot of rhythm to it. Yeah, that's what I mean with the stress-free two-puts, where it's like, okay, these are hard paurs, you know, 12, 13, 14,
Starting point is 00:08:37 and he's just, I'm not stressing out yet. It looks like he's in complete control of everything here. So that's, that's fun to watch. I think it's interesting to note, like just personally personally talking to him like the last four weeks or so he's been playing really really really good golf and the putter hasn't been cooperating. So psychologically to kind of get over that hurdle and almost trick yourself into thinking you know what at some point these these putts are going to go and at some point I'm gonna make this putt. And, you know, it doesn't seem like he's even there yet, and he's still one.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Like, he did that, like, he won without even getting over that hump, really? Because the, like, I mean, shit, the putt on 16. Like, that was one where I was like, fuck man, like that was like, and then I thought he missed it on 17. I thought he missed it low, and then it kind of straight now at the end. But say 18 was only maybe 16 were the only two puts, but I'd say one put on 18
Starting point is 00:09:30 that he only put him missed, they should have made all day. Yeah, right. Yeah, he was a positive show skim putting every round in this tournament and it was 14th overall. Totally. I think he's doing the stuff that he needs to do, but he's not like psychologically, he's still the stuff that he needs to do, but he's not psychologically, he's still battling back from like,
Starting point is 00:09:48 this is what's holding me back, right? Instead of using it as a strength. I don't know when he said this exactly, but what year this was, but he said something along the lines of either it was on his podcast with Shane Bacon to get a grip or with, I forget what it was, but he said, this year is the first year
Starting point is 00:10:04 I've ever gone into a year with my golf swing. The way he phrased it was, but he said, this year is the first year I've ever like gone into a year with my golf swing. The way he phrased it was just like, I know my swing now, I got it. So watching him and rooting for him, every time he's standing over a shot, there is no fear. As a fan of his, it's like, this is gonna be a great shot.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I can't wait to see where he does next. Can't wait to see what he does next. That approach into 18 wasn't even remotely surprising, I felt. That's the craziest part about watching him. I feel more nervous over a 10 foot putth than I do over a 150 foot iron. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:30 You know? What he called it out, like 127, it just felt like, we were like, that's too good of a number. Sounds like a good number. You know that he has a club, it goes exactly that far. What a drive, right?
Starting point is 00:10:41 Like just, I mean, he kept the backspin off of it, kept it low, then rolled out like crazy and gray drive on 17 as well. I always struggle with days like this where I think about this when I watch Tiger because you get so emotionally invested in a round of Tigers that you really watch every shot and you pay attention to the result of every shot
Starting point is 00:11:01 and you're just like, oh my, it's what I've talked about on the pod a bunch where it's like, man, it's so cool. He's hidden into 30 feet. Like that's, that's fucking awesome. And he just started to like think about it. Like maybe everybody is doing that. Like maybe a lot of these guys are doing that.
Starting point is 00:11:14 And this is the first time I felt that way about another player. Like today watching Max, it's like, man, is he just like boat race and everybody? Or is everybody doing this? This is, this is really fun to watch. Only certain golf courses really require that. Like the major championship courses that we've seen Tiger do that on. I felt like I was watching Adam Scott today. Like it was a very Adam Scott like round.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Just classy, classy T-to-green play. I don't know. If I could... If Draft Kings wants to put up odds for the 2023 US Open at LA Country Club, I will nibble on those. You got some extra funds now to play with, but I'd like to share three quick stories about Max that we, the kind of, you know, I guess set the scene for what kind of duty is and how like, how awesome he's been towards us. One, the fact that he flew on a red eye from Sony to join you guys for Strap Southern California because he wanted to show off like his home courses is just like one that just
Starting point is 00:12:14 like speaks to his character. Yeah, he's just when it's not bugging us. Like, yeah, I totally don't have to do this. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess we'll meet you. Is that an easy guy to root for? One, two, like, state in the Airbnb as I'm snoring in the bedroom, and then, like, went back and played on tour the next week. It was unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Two, and I don't think we've ever shared this story because we didn't wanna give this information away, but in the 2018 podcast, we recorded with Max. He came over to the kill house. We had an awesome hour recorded the podcast, and we had a new mixer, we go to save it. Not only just this, he's like in tears, right? Like on this podcast, like telling stories
Starting point is 00:12:57 about being in the wilderness. This is with my rock bottom moments of my career, and then I came all the way back and I won, man, and I did it. Opened a vein. Yeah, yeah, hand up. Just didn't record. Didn't hit the button.
Starting point is 00:13:10 No, it didn't save. It just didn't save. So we lost everything. The whole podcast. And this is after a day of like him going out and watching his, like he missed the cut. Yeah. And him just going out and watching his peers.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Well, is that the Cornfairy Tour Championship and the podcast as so as you can probably, you know, surmise from the story, he sat back down and was like, he's like, no, we're fucking doing it again, man. Well, that's the thing. Well, in my mind, I was like, Let's do it all again. I was like, shit, we can't ask him to come.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Like, we didn't even ask him, he's like, oh, all right, I guess we'll try to get him tomorrow. And we're like, oh shit, really? So yeah, do we know some of the stories that were coming? Yes, but like, that was, he was willing to do that. It's to your point, John, like, he had missed the cut at the Corner Fair Tour Championship, but Newey was gonna be getting his card on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:13:52 And as anybody who listened to that podcast could hear how much that meant to him, he's like, no, at least like, I'm staying in Jacksonville for the whole weekend just to hang out because I'm gonna be at that 30-second card ceremony where they call my name and I walk out onto the green and make sure you get a big, and go out and yeah. And he came to our dollar beers thing.
Starting point is 00:14:10 And he had a lot of dollar beers. And lastly, personally, I got married in October and understandably for a lot of reasons that are happening in the world right now. Like quite literally, every single one of my out of town friends could not come to the wedding. And I got a text from Max, and he's like, hey, I gotta save the date, but I didn't get an invite.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Just wanna let you know, I didn't get it. He did, but he just lost it. And I was like, yeah, you know, sorry. I was like, yeah, he looked. He later made me say, oh, I found it. I didn't expect him to come. He's like, yeah, I think actually we're gonna come. And like a month before the wedding,
Starting point is 00:14:42 he RSVP that he was gonna come to the wedding. And it came out of nowhere. At a time when no one was gonna be making the trip, again, for understandable reasons, he was like, yeah, I'll be there and he hung out in Jack's book for the weekend. So, what you're gonna hear for the next two hours is not gonna be unbiased.
Starting point is 00:14:55 You quit it before it's not. No, and I think that's totally fine. Well, no, but you know what? I felt like, so during that weekend, so we played golf on Saturday morning at Ponton Featuring Club. Friday morning. Friday morning and Neal shot his first under par around.
Starting point is 00:15:11 70 of all time. And. Would have been really good today out there. Yeah, really good. And Max, Max shot 65 set the course record. That was cool. And so he was playing the one up T's. It didn't cut that short.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Which was like the third time I played with Max and it's like, yeah. Like, yo, that was the course record. No, like I didn't even keep score, man. I didn't finish that. But, like, I felt like I was actually, we were standing behind 18 green watching you come in. And I felt like I was, I was with him again watching him come in. Like, it was like, man, some of the stuff
Starting point is 00:15:46 that you were saying about Neil is stuff that he's thought about in his own mind. You know, dude, I know how it is. I know how it is to have that six footer. I know how it is. It's tough, man. It's really tough, especially when you got the megabonus that gorilla on your shoulders, man.
Starting point is 00:16:03 And you know what? I want to say one other thing, well two things. One, my fiance watched pretty much the entire tournament with me and then Tron came over. And it was because Max was involved. She's like, oh, Max is, he's in second and she's in, right? And she met him at Sally's wedding and he's an easy guy to root for.
Starting point is 00:16:22 You know, she doesn't even like golf and she just wants to sit down. She's living and's like she doesn't even like golf and it's like she just wants to sit down. She's living and dying on every putt with us. So it's awesome. Which a lot of that felt, this is not a hamster damn thing, but this is where we've just been screaming about this for three, four years now.
Starting point is 00:16:36 We're just like, hey guys, like show this fucking guy in the broadcast, like come on man, why are you not showing him? You can tell at the end, Nancy. People are gonna root for this guy. Nancy's only rooting for yeah, well, and it's not he's not great on Social media that he's just like great. Well, that was a miss that's a media in the FedEx file I can't believe they didn't put like Active on social media Max takes their social media. It was it was Dodgers and Tommy LaSort
Starting point is 00:17:02 I was like come on come on give me a Twitter call out here We're not done debriefing this, but I do want to talk a bit about well first of all Social media. It was Dodgers and Tommy LaSort. I was like, come on, come on, give me a Twitter call out here. We're not done debriefing this, but I do want to talk a bit about, well, first of all, this is a great transition because nobody practices harder than Max, right? You guys have been practicing a lot. Boys at Rapp Soto have been helping you a lot
Starting point is 00:17:15 with your practice routine. I want to hear about it. Give me the mmm, speaking of the country. Well, I would say that's why when I saw the 127 number into 18 for Max, I was like, that was one of the numbers, I think DJ hit on the number. I was like, God, that's too good of a number. I know he's gonna hit that number.
Starting point is 00:17:31 DJ hit it on the rap photo, it's unbelievable. RapSoto is a mobile launch monitor, if you're not aware of this yet. Streamly mobile. We've got a, it might be too mobile. We've got a video on our Instagram page about these two, Neil and DJ doing a little distance control contest.
Starting point is 00:17:47 It's about the size of a rangefinder, fits right on your bag. You can use it to practice. It's extremely accurate. It gets within 2% of what, like, a $20,000 unit would get you. And these things cost like $500. And if you go to rapsoto.com forward slash NOU, use code NOU, you get $50 off that. And a lot of you guys have been doing that. So we greatly appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Agile mobile. It's really hot. It's a useful tool. It tracks your stats, it stores video, it's a shot tracer in it, you can use it indoor or outdoor, you can use it in a net. Yes, Salisman is garage. Yes, grind it with the rest.
Starting point is 00:18:18 So it's great. It's great. You say we're practicing a lot. You're getting reps in the garage. Of course I am. It gives you your ball speed, your distance on all these things. It gives you kind of a chart as to where you hit all these balls. A immediate feedback.
Starting point is 00:18:32 It gives you a little video of your swing that you just made. I can't speak highly enough about this. It's repsota, RAP, SODO, forward slash NLU, use code NLU for $50 off your unit today. Going back to the Mac stories, just checking Twitter. Remember when we were talking about, if we broke down how much he won at Wells Fargo for Straps, $2,500. It was Straps.
Starting point is 00:18:51 TJ Denwally, friend of the pod, said congrats on another 837 years of Straps. Yes. With today's victory. Four a year, man. That was the ultimate mega bonus today. And not to mention three more years, three year exemption. Oh, that's an extra bonus here. Extra bonus here. That's right.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I'll be on tour forever. The super season. No, because it's invetational. It's a elevated elevated. Elevated. He's still not elevated. He's still not exempt for the champion's tour though. Yeah, he gets through.
Starting point is 00:19:23 He needs to three. Is he in the WGC now for next? He is. I thought you had to get to three. No, they, I think they raised it. I think it's, I don't know. I think they're getting it off. They're getting rid of Q school though for champions for, which is crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Shout out to Mark Burk. If Neil corrects Tron on champions tour, uh, eligibility, he's talking to his sources. No, it was always three. And I think, uh, I think it. And I think it might be five now. You have to have five. With a change of four, five. We're just kidding.
Starting point is 00:19:49 We're just getting this information now. Oh my gosh. So Ali, come on. Help me out here. Look it up. I'm gonna be very impressed if that is the case. I think it's still three now. What was your, what did you guys do when he missed
Starting point is 00:20:02 the three-foot-four-inch putt on 18? I felt like a jackass because I was really up close to my TV filming it just to have the winning putt on my phone. You walked right into the kill house right after that. And then as soon as he missed, I put all my shit in my backpack. I was at my house and drove over to the kill house. Knowing we needed to change up the mojo. I walked in the door.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Everybody's looks like their dog had died in here. And I was trying to rev the troops up, saying we're changing the momentum here, don't trust the process, it's gonna be okay. You know, it wasn't okay then shortly after, but then it was okay, so that's what I did. And for the people asking me who I was rooting for between Fee now and Max, the fuck out here, right?
Starting point is 00:20:43 I don't need to be right that badly, okay. It did, so when you hit the, all right, what was your reaction when you hit the ball up against the tree on 10? Well, so can we go back to, when you hit the ball to three, you know, three feet, four inches. Closest of the day.
Starting point is 00:20:58 From the fairway, closest shot of the day. Kind of, you know, not a river magu pud, but kind of a, just a little bit. Just a little bit. A little bit of a snapper, but a river magu pud, but kind of a little bit. Just a little bit. A little bit of a snapper, but Fowdo said it up front, he said, hey, you know, this is, I would say, firm right half of the hole, firm right half of the hole.
Starting point is 00:21:15 And even four inches out, the pud looked like it was down. Right? Max, maybe he tricked me, tricked everyone. Like, he looked so calm and like happy and there's no possible way He could have been that calm, but he props because he did a really good job of pretending like he was I thought there was no way he was missing that I've often thought about what my reaction would be if I miss a gag a putt But you're like still in a playoff like how do you rally? I would at WD yourself to do and he looked like he had the attitude of like,
Starting point is 00:21:45 if you'd have made that putt to get into the playoff, how pumped would he be? Like, you have to go to the playoff with that attitude. Well, and that was the thing, like, going back to the putt on 10, like, how to almost trick yourself in the thing and like, gosh, like, I just hit, like, I have second life. I just hit this putt, or this shot from behind a tree
Starting point is 00:22:05 on the green and I'm everybody counting me out and now I've got this, what was it? Like 15 feet on 10? I think it was closer. It was 11 feet, nine inches or something like that. And it's like, all right, like how do you trick yourself into thinking it looks like a basketball who, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:21 and I felt like you hit a pretty good putt there. It just, you know, just didn't. DJ said I was in TC territory, but I would say that's the best shot. I can remember like in recent memory for, I would say that's the best shot I've ever seen. Under those circumstances against that tree with your, you know, trying to win at your favorite course.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Like, I just thought that was unbelievable. And he put it to pin high from where he was with 11 feet nine inches. I thought he hit it way too hard. Right off the, I was like, oh shit, this thing's in the bunker or this thing's, you know, down the fairway there. And then he just, and then they showed the slow mo and what he did with his, like the way he turned his wrist over is like, that's why, like when you said the best shot of all time
Starting point is 00:23:00 was DJ's approach at Oakmont on 18. It's like, that's it. Yeah, that's it, but that's a stock shot. It's like how often is Max practicing the up against the tree hooded sandwich shot? Like, this is like a whole that off. It's like, oh my god. Check it out, maybe at Vista Valunci.
Starting point is 00:23:16 That's true, that's a good call. So the Max's shot on 10 was obviously an outrageous example of this, but I had to say my notes of things to talk about is when the course gets mega firm like this, dude, I can't remember a week where I walked away saying like, holy shit, these guys are so good more than this week. Some of the recovery shots,
Starting point is 00:23:37 some of the shots around the greens, like the shot Sam Burns hit on six yesterday, the bunker shot max hit on 10 yesterday, like it's just like I've walked away, I don't know, there was probably 15 times, and I watch golf all week, every week, for the last 15 years. And I walked away this week, more than ever,
Starting point is 00:23:53 just being like, fuck, these guys are so good. It is, I think that's what we're calling for on a lot of the setup stuff, on a lot, like that's, I know you can't do it every week, but holy shit, man, like that's why you watch golf is to see these guys recover from just absolutely boned positions like that. The mist put on 18 is a, it was not,
Starting point is 00:24:13 it is a reflection of how challenging it is to play 72 holes on baked slippery greens with, and I'm not joking with how thin the cut is on those cups at the speed you have to hit the putts at, that is so easy to lift that out. And it is so freaking hard to control your run out for 72 damn holes and have so many stressful five footers. The two and a half footers on those greens are stressful
Starting point is 00:24:38 because you can't just ram them right in, you gotta play the break. And I said gagged earlier but I did not, I don't actually don't believe that. I think you just maybe pulled it a little bit, but it wasn't like this putt is a guaranteed make it that that can happen so easily. It revere. Also, I think it like it's more about the, the can't and the, the slope of the greens than is about the speed. Like it's, it's more about the firmness and being able to have greens that sloped versus like, you can jack the speeds up to 14
Starting point is 00:25:12 on very, very flat greens and that's not gonna test your stroke as much as. Yeah. We sell that at Pebble 2 where there's a lot of like, you know, four or five footers that you're starting well outside the hole and just pr praying that they come back and that's It's just really fun to fun. I should females females Find the how many wins dude
Starting point is 00:25:35 The champ is or is a car tell You know Jay monahan table of contents for the 2020 PGA tour champion's formulation and player handbook. Sorry. Please continue. Are we ready to talk about Fino? Do you guys have anything to say first is what I would open up? We're not apologizing.
Starting point is 00:25:56 No, I'm asking for an apology. I'm asking for anything to say. I think Tony was extremely gracious after the fact. You know, some people would say too gracious, I don't think that's a thing. I think he's knocking on the door. He keeps knocking on the door. It's crazy that they put up on golf central after.
Starting point is 00:26:14 It was, like in his last 120 or so starts, he's had like 38. Like 38 or 40 top 10s and he's had 21 top 5s. It's that really rough. It's easy. Four wins. Four wins now? Four wins.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Wow. Validated. You shouldn't have changed it to five. Not five though. It's not five. But it's Ricky's eligible. It's four wins. Fino not eligible.
Starting point is 00:26:41 That says, is the Puerto Rico open? It says, no, Puerto Rico open does not count. Because it's a week as of it. Sorry, not eligible. That's as is the Puerto Rico open. It says no, Puerto Rico open does not count. Cause it's a week as of it. All right, please continue. No, I just think Fino, like it's gonna happen. Is it though? I don't know if it is. I think it is.
Starting point is 00:26:55 It's not like, well, so if there was a place that it wasn't gonna happen, it's a place with greens like Rivera, right? Where he lasted so much longer than I thought he would this week, where I would say somewhere with flatter greens, like market, right? He was flawless to you to green today. He was second in the Stroke's Game Pudding today too. He was flawless period.
Starting point is 00:27:17 He was, that was an unreal round. It was the, it was the let's get it round. He went out and got it today. And, but at the end of the day, though, like, can you, are you confident when Tony Fienaust standing over a 10 foot putt in a playoff? Did you say 10 foot or a three foot?
Starting point is 00:27:31 Because the answer's no either way. Yeah, exactly, right? Like it's, I mean, at some point, he's got to get that, he's got to turn that into, well, before, hold on, before DJ does the Dion dance. He made like four must make putts to get into the playoff today.
Starting point is 00:27:46 I felt like it was, he made the putt on 16, which was six inches outside the whole and down the hill. That was the dirty. That was the best he's ever putted. Best of best found final ride he's ever played. That's one of the best putts of the day. Yeah, Max was pretty close. That's a very similar putt and yeah, I didn't get it out there for.
Starting point is 00:28:04 So that's where it's just like, yeah, it's almost a little reverse this week where he didn't do enough early in the week and a incredible final round still wasn't enough. I thought for sure it was gonna be one of those, you know, non-compete, like, at the end of the day, yesterday, like before they retreat off this morning,
Starting point is 00:28:24 what was he at, like 500? Start of the day, five, yeah. And so that's, you know, you're thinking, all right, this is cute, again, Tony, this is, you're doing your thing, you're gonna, you might push it to nine or 10, you'll eagle one, you'll probably birdie three or five, and then you'll start backtracking a little bit.
Starting point is 00:28:45 And he didn't. So I feel like he's making progress. And it's not like, like progress isn't like a linear thing. There's fits and starts and all that. But I feel like at some point, like he keeps putting himself in position to where it doesn't feel like scar tissue, right? Like he's not, he's not, it doesn't seem like he's being affected's being affected by these, these shortcomings. And I think that's the cool thing about watching him and it's like, we've got this bit going and all that, but like at no point do I, do I personally root
Starting point is 00:29:14 against Tony Fienel outside of that bit? That's very well said. That's a good way to put it. What, so let me ask you this, Sali, shoot 64 today. Give me the data golf story today. Do you have, like, what, what, him in a playoff with Max,
Starting point is 00:29:31 and where Max was behind that tree, what are the stats telling us he should make? Because my eyes are telling me that he has a 10 footer to win the tournament, and then he's got another one to prolong it on the next hole. And he doesn't make those. And I don't know if the data's going to tell me that like, because we clutch or not, right? We do need to talk about him coming up short on 18 on the approach.
Starting point is 00:29:53 I was a bad one because that felt like it was an amazing. But it was a great ship shop. But all made those hell of a hard. But I want to know like, so this is where the, this is where you can't tell to me, you can't tell the whole story with data because I, and maybe I'm wrong, but I would think that the models were saying, oh my God, they're red alert, he's gonna win it. So the betting markets went nuts when CBS zoomed in and showed Max's ball up against that tree.
Starting point is 00:30:18 And I got a million texts like, oh my God, can you put that break? Like he's so, he's so boned. And then Max was able to put a club on the ball and get on the green. The camera angle, the way it showed it, they made it look like, and my god, can you put that break? Like, he's so, he's so boned. And then Max was able to put a club on the ball and get on the green. The camera angle, the way it showed it, they made it look like, and I definitely thought Max was gonna have to hit it left hand,
Starting point is 00:30:30 they're talking about making left hand it swings, that he was just got to punch it to Tony's ball and get it up and down, is where I thought. So at that point, it's almost assured that Tony's not gonna lose on 10. So the markets get skewed heavily towards him. So it's like, basically, you can't really lose it here. Your odds are going to go great, you're probably going to win it.
Starting point is 00:30:49 But when he lines up, he had chipped it to like eight feet, left to right or 50% putt on the PGA tour, and it didn't go in. So he had an opportunity to win it. There's no doubt in that. And then the putt on 60, I mean, the bunker shot was where he lost, or the T shot on 14's where he lost it, not the putt. I mean, you get a very good bunker shot either, and you left himself a less than 50% putt at it.
Starting point is 00:31:09 And- But the argument would be, he had similar length putts back to back holes. He's got to make one of them, right? And his skill level and how good he is and how the data golf stuff that you've cited to me, The data boys. A lot.
Starting point is 00:31:26 It's like, data boys, the models would say he's gonna make one of those, right? One of those two puts. That's the whole argument I've made about, like, the data would say with the probability of how often he gets in contention. He should win one,
Starting point is 00:31:36 like, it should fall his world. And it doesn't. It doesn't. I can't help you're truly ever dying. I'm just trying to run out of here. I know, you know, I mean, I kinda am, but I'm just like, I see, I feel like I've been an innocent bystander watching this street fight between you guys
Starting point is 00:31:50 for the last, I don't know, three months. I've tried to stay out of the street fight, and I'm like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm sure I'm legitimately, I'm like, okay, like, 20 females really good. Partest is in the stands. I know, I've like, I got my beer in the stands. I just threw my coconut solid.
Starting point is 00:32:04 DJ's, DJ's got me in a headlock now. I don't know what to do. I feel like some of the stuff that was said privately today, I feel like me and Solid, it kind of feels like the end of Rocky. We're former enemies. I feel like we're running down the beach together on a similar wave like where listen, I'm sure there's many people out there that want me to want me to dance on Fina's grave tonight, talk about all the reasons why
Starting point is 00:32:24 you can't get it done. He was fucking amazing today. He was outstanding. He hit it as good as Max, I thought. Like, I mean, it was really, really, really, really good. And got, it was, it was surgical. It was. And it was, to your point, John, like, every time we're like, oh, this, the one he misses,
Starting point is 00:32:40 this is the one he misses, dude, he poured him in the center. Yeah. And his, his, he tried, I don't know. That's not at the end, he didn't pour him in the center. Then that's how I'm like, you're saying that. You can't do a lawsuit on repeat. Is like, that's just odds falling back to, you lost two coin for the same reason. I almost felt like we can't judge,
Starting point is 00:32:58 and this sounds like a total cop out. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it almost feels like we can't judge Fina, based on what happened in the playoff, right? The tournament should have been over. Some people were between the worst possible thing is that Max missed the putt and they had to go to a playoff and then Fina lose it. And then he beat him again.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, because if Max makes the putt, we don't sit here and we're not even having that conversation. It's just like, you know, Fina shot 64 and it wasn't still. It couldn't win. Yeah, it's nuts. It came from this far back and all that. Could you have maybe wedged a little closer on 10? Yes. Could have, but still not a horrible shot.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Tightly skinny like, it's a tough spot. You're like, I don't think I'm under this table. I thought they kind of underrated that spot. I do too. He was awesome. I mean, I will say, listen, he came out to start the week if you want to get deep in the if you wanna get deep in the data. Birdies three of the first four,
Starting point is 00:33:48 and then that was where his backpedal started, finishes the day even par. So, double in a bogey on two and three. I'm not trying to get deep in the day. I'm just trying to understand the... Well, no, so I'm just, I think here's my thing. I found that Sali makes a good case about Fino. But then my eyes tell me that it's wrong.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Like that it's like, well, it just doesn't make it when it's on the line. Like he's gotta make the putt. My body's tellin' me yet. Yeah. No, yeah. So, I'm hards tellin' me no. You know, but you've written for that argument for weeks.
Starting point is 00:34:21 And so I'm trying to understand like, are you still riding for that? I think there's a point of contention here where if this is what he looked like on every Sunday, this conversation never would have taken place. If he did this every Sunday, this was so far and away better than I ever, and this is the best round I've ever seen him play.
Starting point is 00:34:36 That's where I'm sitting as progress. That's why I think we're running down the beach again. And progress on one of the best golf courses in the world and one of the most prestigious events on tour. It's like this was a, like this week was a win for Tony Fino, in my opinion. I don't think you can look at this and say, it was a massive step forward.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm going to have a lot, you know, a lot to go on the positive for the list for the let's get it pot. And it's very easy. And this is where, you know, we might start running down the beach at different paces on this. It's very easy to say, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:10 when it doesn't happen down the stretch to do, it's snowing outside my house, it's not climate change. And point it, well, he made a bogey right there. And he just comes up close to get, well, he made a bogey right there. And ignore four birdies that he made even put himself in contention. So my take is like fair.
Starting point is 00:35:24 72 whole tournament. This dude keeps lobbing shots at the top of the leaderboard. right there and ignore four birdies that he made even put himself in contention. So my take is like fair. 72 whole tournament. This dude keeps lobbing shots at the top of the leaderboard. And it's, and I feel like it's been painted that he can't get, like he chokes these tournaments away. He can't get it done at the end. And the whole point has been like, he said some really weird luck. He's had some bad play.
Starting point is 00:35:38 And then he's had some really, really weird bad luck at the end. It's kind of like, how does this, like you can't throw this many shots at the board and not win one? He's also had some really, really weird bad luck at the end. It's kind of like how does this, like you can't throw this many shots at the board and not win one. He's also got some really, really weird bad play too. At times he's had some bad play. He's had bad in, so it's something. I would say, but the numbers show that he plays well in final rounds.
Starting point is 00:35:54 So it's this one away, he just came up short today. Right, whereas in the past you've argued. Yeah, no, this is where I would totally agree with all the numbers. I agree that he plays better than average. I've trust me, I've gotten plenty of tweets about it. It's macro versus micro, right? But I also see him like, he races to the top of leaderboard and then makes like two sloppy ass bogeys.
Starting point is 00:36:14 And then he makes two birdies coming in, or that are meaningless. And it's like net net, that's better than average. Like we've seen that four or five times too, you know? And so like, today was different though. Today, like, almost was a round. So I felt like, are you willing to backtrack on your take that you wouldn't want Fienal over Reed
Starting point is 00:36:30 on the Ryder Cup team? No, I still won't read. No, I would still won't read. Okay, but that might just be for me. I appreciate you asking that for an entertainment. Yeah, well, I also said there's consequences. Yeah, I kind of know if there's consequences to your bit about Fienal.
Starting point is 00:36:43 You got my fiancee Carson called him Phoney T-Nail. Which, I am not so worried about winning hearts and mums. I'm not gonna let you guys use that because you had a year to come up with that and you never got it. So, we never come up with it. Car truck's name, somebody say. That's what I'm saying, you don't get to use it.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Yeah, yeah. No, I said, God, she comes up with this epic nickname that they wins. I'm like, man, we're not gonna be able to use that. Exactly. All I'm like, man, we're not gonna be able to use that. Exactly. All I'm saying to is, A, I don't think we're having this conversation. If Tony plays Phoenix, I think he wins in Phoenix. Well, you conceded that win.
Starting point is 00:37:14 That's true. So if you had a wonder, you would have had to apologize. I know, if you're right. And if you wins concession, you still have to apologize. No, no, we had to win two. Oh, no, because it would have been two, because we conceded Phoenix. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:23 So he would have easily won Phoenix. He was T2 in Saudi Arabia at the bone saw. I'll have a new bet for you to propose for you at the end of next week. But I will still say looking through his world golf ranking, his best performances thus far, you're still seeing, you know, hero world challenge, solo second 2018. Stuff like that, that's just, you know, I need to see, keep it going, Tony. Keep it going, baby.
Starting point is 00:37:50 Come on. You're looking at official World Golf ranking points one. That's not, I wouldn't say that's a, the best performance isn't the official World Golf ranking or not your best performances. That's just most points, aren't it? Oh, well, yeah, but yeah, but I'm looking at, I mean, the Stonebrake classics on here.
Starting point is 00:38:04 So I'm, I'm seeing every single notable performance in his, in his career, right? Like the, like the 20 best performances against the, against the best players in the world. It's incredible that at the end of all of this bit, his last four finishes, fourth T2, T2, solo second. It's a, it's a John Mahler. We have a streak. What he's got gone 37. Yeah, top 10s with no wins. I mean, it's it's really, really strong. I don't work.
Starting point is 00:38:32 It's fun to watch you two run off into the sunset together. All right, all right. Question for you. Who wins first? Speak or Fina? I'm still with Fina. The dude is, I would say, right now, Fino is one of the five best players in the world. Yeah, I would agree with that. All right, five best players in the world. Who are
Starting point is 00:38:54 those? Yeah, you can't just throw stuff like that out. And then not I'd say he belongs with DJ ROM JT. Is JT one of the five best players in the world right now? Now you're asking the pocket of questions. I think he's one of the five best players. Is he one of the five best players in the world right now. I mean, like, I mean, like, I think he's one of the five best players. Is he one of the five best hottest players? No, but like overall, if they're team it up this coming week, am I putting into the top five on top? Five's kind of crazy. DJ, ROM, JT, Zander, and Hatten.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Is the top five? I take Hatten over Fino. Really? Yeah, I do. I think so. I mean, he's not only, he's hot and he seems like he gets it done at the end. He's a stone cold killer to me. Okay, okay, so that's gonna be an interesting, that would be an interesting heads up at the
Starting point is 00:39:33 Atory Pines. So going forward. So, so you're taking Fienel over Spieth, Neil. Man, another, you know, our Kelly. Is that our Kelly? Who is that? My body? I think it is yeah So something else might be telling yeah, they are sorry. I mean, well, that's yeah He's a singer the song like I'm that not celebrating man. All right
Starting point is 00:39:57 The smart plays to take fina obviously the fun place It's probably gonna win the main I'm a fun guy, I'm taking speed. I remember what I was gonna say earlier. Committing to the bit about Finault has enjoyed, like that has made my golf enjoyment ramp up so much and has make it as worse and mine. That is, let's do the distraction for some. Like God, I gotta talk about this again.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Maybe it's a zero sum game. But that's like, you gotta create your own reality here, man. If they're not gonna make the product as entertaining as it could be, you gotta do something on your own to really live and things up. And it absolutely has. Well, I think Fienaal's streak is awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:35 And I kinda wanna keep going. Like that's a root against them winning, but it's like, man, that's an epic streak. So I want to pick something. What a root for history. I wanna root for history. I wanna root for what I want to happen, which I want speak to win first. So I'm going to pick speak. All right,
Starting point is 00:40:50 solid. Another question for you. Fina or Morikawa to win first. Fina. I'm like, I think I'm all my chips. I can't lose more. This is kind of like a I own the bank situation. We have bull. I can't pull any farther officer. I thought you were going to ask, what should he do next week? Should he go play Puerto Rico or should he play the WGC concession? He's the bylaws state that he cannot even show up
Starting point is 00:41:12 in Puerto Rico. Which broke my heart. Yeah. Absolutely shadowed me. I can't remember who it was a few years ago. They said, like, it was like DA points or something like that. Like he had one. That was a DA was going to play here at the
Starting point is 00:41:25 opposite field event and they couldn't let him go and skip the WGC even though nobody would have ever allowed him or like ever noticed that he was going to be apart from that. So yeah, first sure going to win a session. Yeah. The WGC's are sacred. Yeah. It's true. I got to say I'm he willing.
Starting point is 00:41:44 The bits been very fun. I felt like the he will win. The bit's been very fun. I felt like the bit, this was a fun conclusion to the bit. I'm ready for Fina to win now. Like, it was like an all boats ride. It really, really was. I really didn't want him to win today, of course, for very obvious reasons, but now it's getting to the point where it's like, okay, listen, I've had my phone with that.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Fina, you seem like an awesome guy. I'm ready for it to happen. And my session kind of seems like it might fit really well. My only reason I really, like what have wanted Tony to win is I had a good, I ready like warrior meme of, I've won, but at what cost?
Starting point is 00:42:15 Truly. Because of course we really, really want to match. DJ's kind of in the, it's like in Rudy when the O line starts rooting for Rudy. Exactly. They hate him, like God this guy keeps going so hard. It's not just respective, he keeps giving back.
Starting point is 00:42:26 Now it's like, all right, you know what, he's gonna what? I gotta give this guy some credit now. Exactly. He's starting to slow clap on the practice field. I can't speak for Randy. Randy, you know, I just been, Randy's my brother in this, he's been locked step with me in this anti-feedout thing. So I can't speak for him, but, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:43 I saw plenty today that I was like, you know what, this guy clearly deserves. He deserves some PJ Tour of W's. Randy's one of the guys in the villages that nobody's gonna see him for four years and you should come out and, you know, Fina might be the number one player in the world and be like, no dude, Fina still, he's a fraud,
Starting point is 00:42:59 he's a fraud. He has no idea he's the number one player in the world. But I don't understand how Fina, he's 15th in the world golf ranking prior to this week. You want him to get me start on the world golf rankings? God, it seems like it's under rating Fienault a little bit, right? I don't know what his problem is, he was chasing the points in Saudi Arabia.
Starting point is 00:43:19 He was trying to manipulate, he was trying to do everything, what a one-mace-fit waste management though. That's true. I was so much to talk about. Can we talk about the bass master? Can we get into the Saturday? Yeah, please.
Starting point is 00:43:32 I want to talk Saturday. I need you guys to fill me in on everything that went down Saturday. I get off the golf course and just, first of all, the first thing I see is the putt that you can proudly hit. And I swear to God, I have never happened to a worse person. I have never laughed so hard at golf club in my entire life. It was so funny to somebody that hadn't seen it yet.
Starting point is 00:43:53 It just rolls and rolls on the putt on 10, rolls and rolls and then goes between the bunker. That's what shocked me. I was like, how did that happen between the, it was that guy in the bunker like on a string. And then he got it up and down. Well, congrats to him. I laughed so hard. Which props, yeah. That string and then he got it up and down. Well congrats to him I laughed so hard. That was disgusting up and down
Starting point is 00:44:09 So play gets called on Wednesday. I get I understand there was some reaction amongst the group as to On Saturday. I'm sorry some reaction here that that should not have happened Let me ask this before we get into this who was actually actually watching? Because I was watching everything before it was canceled, all the way through the delay. I watched on Thursday and then I didn't watch much on Friday. And then I was like, I had shit blocked off on my schedule. You know, Alex, you're watching the kids. You're, you know, my mother and I was coming over
Starting point is 00:44:39 all this stuff. And then it was like, what? I think there's two arguments as far as what happened. So obviously what happened was they suspended play due to wind and we can... Oh, it was due to coarse setup. We can unpack all of that. Yes, it was.
Starting point is 00:44:54 And so that's the biggest thing that I saw in the mentions was the obvious misunderstanding of why they canceled it. It wasn't because the winds were too high. It's because the balls aren't staying still in the green. Like those two things obviously go hand in hand. So the green were too fast. The greens are too fast. Or the pins were too high, it's because the balls aren't staying still in the green. Like that's those two things. Obviously, going in and in. The greens were too fast. The greens are too fast. Or the pins were in the wrong spots.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Or the players might say a mix of both, but mostly the balls aren't staying in the green. They're never gonna put the pins in the wrong spots on a Saturday and the PGA tour though. Like it's gotta be green speeds. And that's where, it's all you bring this up on the spot all the time. Like the PGA tour messes this up so little,
Starting point is 00:45:24 like they push it over the edge so infrequently that for this to happen, I like it is very rare. It hasn't happened since the day we met in, uh, St. Ed. It's right. That was absolutely that wasn't the PJ tour. Well, that was the RNA. But that was a similar like real officials.
Starting point is 00:45:41 Let's get these greens going a little bit to challenge these players. And then when the wind blows too hard, the ball doesn't stop. Blackout. Let's talk about it. So we got we could Oh, glittering. So to the player was like, please don't we? We're in play. St Andrews and every bar in St Andrews. You just what you just started bar hopping.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Well, I got I literally flew in that day and I got there got two St Andrews for my first ever open championship The horn and we had no first ever open championship. Burr. They blow up the horn. And we had no, we drank for 15 hours. We drank from noon until 3 a.m. and we had a 6 a.m. t-time the next day and we did not make it. So that's the KVV one. Yeah, it came to be try to wake me up.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Did not make it. But how's happened to long time? So going back, like I do, that's why I'm so much, I'm so sensitive to the never air on this side of things. And I don't want to vilify them. Exactly. We're airing on this side of it.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Because walking off and reading everything, I was, I was so confused as to like, bro, we cannot have this both ways. We cannot have them push the setup. And then when the ball start blowing off the greens, get upset if they, but I think there's a difference between firmness and speed. I think what I saw with those wins, they weren't close to being able to play. Like not like, hey, if we didn't cut and roll in this morning, we would still be able to play. I did not feel like that.
Starting point is 00:46:53 And I don't think if they, I don't think they could have made Thursday, Friday, easier with this forecast. Like we would have been on them for that. Like you can't preemptively make it easy on these days in fear of the wind picking up Saturday. That's where I ended up settling was like, I'm extremely frustrated, You would have been on them for that. Like, you can't preemptively make it easy on these days in fear of the win picking upside. That's where I ended up settling was like, I'm extremely frustrated, but only that I can't watch golf. Like, I don't know that this was, I think this was probably the right decision to cancel
Starting point is 00:47:15 this. It sucks. And yeah, maybe they couldn't have rolled the, you know, cut and rolled greens. Maybe that would have made a difference, but I don't know enough to know that one way or the other, but I was mostly just pissed that I couldn't watch it because it would have been awesome. And for the 30 seconds or two minutes or whatever, it was popping off. It was the best golf I'd watched all year. It was unbelievable. Like it was able to be greening themselves, balls rolling all over the place. Max hits that the one on number one to a foot for a tap and eagle while the whole world's fallen
Starting point is 00:47:42 apart. I mean, it was just it was unbelievable. was like the horn blows. It was like that Ron Paul. It was. It was all happening. It was all happening. And then I think well, it was just surprising, like hearing the horn, like it never crossed my mind. Sunny day and L.A. Stop that play was going to stop. And yeah, it was. Well, so that's where I get is, is think it's very much, like, all right, because Sunday they didn't cut the greens. Right? I don't think they cut the greens this morning. So, they did not cut the greens. That's what they said in the broadcast anyway.
Starting point is 00:48:14 And that's after watering the shit out over me yesterday afternoon. Which by the way, didn't affect the viewing experience. Exactly. But, and it didn't affect the firmness all that much either. Didn't take my time. So, I think at some point, like everybody seems to think,
Starting point is 00:48:27 oh, you know what, like they're just doing what you guys want them to do. And it's like nobody's clamoring for like the fastest greens in the world, nobody's clamming for 13, 14, even 12 in the stint meter. I just want to see the ball hop. We just wanted to be firmer to where it's not going to like, be like throwing darts with wedges all the time.
Starting point is 00:48:47 And that's the thing that gets me is like, you know, I mean shit, even Max's wedge into 18 on the 72nd hold today, like that was, that thing hop five, six, seven feet in the air and then thought about backing up a little bit, but really didn't that much. Get back a little, but not. It's an exciting moment when that four foot hop happens
Starting point is 00:49:08 and you're like, is it gonna catch? Is it gonna catch? That was like feign out. And we've frayed today. Yes, that's tough. And that was on a green that they watered the hell out of. And, and, and, and, and,
Starting point is 00:49:19 I understand that so much has to go right and mother nature has to cooperate and all that. But at the end of the day, it's like the fact that they saw the forecast, knew that they were gonna be crazy wins. I mean, Chip, people were looking at the forecast on Tuesday and Wednesday and saying, this weekend's gonna be crazy, man.
Starting point is 00:49:38 And then the fact that they still cut and roll the greens on Saturday morning. And then kind of- They did do that officially, They cut and rolled Saturday. Yeah, yeah. And then kind of throw their hands up. Like, guys, there's nothing we can do. It's like, fuck you, man.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Let me. You know, it's like, like, at some point, yes. Like, it probably was gonna be over the line anyway, but you guys didn't help yourselves at all here. So you're, but you, you just said you shouldn't want it taken to task because you wanted to push the whole way. I know, I don't don't want to listen. I don't want to take the task. So the last thing I want to do here, Neil, it's the last thing I want to do because I've already
Starting point is 00:50:12 heard it. No options. No, it's a tie. I've already heard that they're, that they're terrified of concession next week, even though it rained all week this week. I got good news on that front. Soft. The membership has told me. They're slowing the green step out for the PGA tour of it, because they have the member guest the next week. Oh my God. And they want us out for that. Question about Sunday setup.
Starting point is 00:50:37 Do you think Saturday impacted Sunday? Saw a lot of under par scores. Do you think they kind of like really laid off the accelerator? Well, just not mowing the greens today. Like, yeah, I'll actually hear that. Like putting a funnel hole in one pin on six. Like, yeah, that probably helps.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Yeah, I would say it was set up brilliantly. It was awesome. And the viewing, I was streaming it yesterday evening. First of all, first of all, when weather is an issue, CBS, all of the sudden becomes awesome. Like, when they get their commercial loads reduced, like they flow so good viewing it was so much better than today.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Yes, of course. The Saturday evening viewing when that course was going, the wind was still blowing some. That was pre-mel. Like it was mega light. Yes, mega light at Rive, going into the night. And PGA tour live this morning was like, was like one of the best viewing experiences of the year.
Starting point is 00:51:26 I asked it, one point of that. Have they shown a commercial? I haven't noticed that if they have, like it's really flowing that hard. So that was, I thought the camera angles were awesome. I mean, let's just roll this into hamster dangles. I think it's gonna be a nice hamster. It's positive.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Aside from photos, stuff. They were using the 8K camera that they used for NFL cameras are insane. The blue cams and the ground level gimbal cam week to week has been a nice issue. I like they're using more handhelds. They're they're doing more to show the the actual like context. I will. I feel like they were a little off on the shot tracer today. Yeah, it's shot. You were seeing I'm coming into 18 you can see the ball here onacer today. Yeah, it's shot tracer's long. Shot tracer's long. I think you were seeing, coming into 18, you can see the ball here on the right.
Starting point is 00:52:06 And you're like, yeah, that line's over here. You guys are making it up. No, I thought you were just talking about like when shot tracer shows up first, as when it goes. Well, it was a little spotty just on the volume. But I was talking about like the actual, like there was one, I think,
Starting point is 00:52:20 I can't remember what whole fenal hit it. I was like, oh, that's going left. And then it came up like right on the front corner of the green. And I was all phenyl hated. I was like, oh, that's going left. And then it came up right on the front corner of the green. And I was all jacked up because I was like, that's, you know, he just... You're bad, Kay. Well, no, go. Max, come on.
Starting point is 00:52:33 So that's right. I was like, yeah, that shot trace was off, right? There were a few, and I don't feel that way week to week normally. I love the PGA Tour live shot tracer. It looks like a kid just opened up Microsoft Paint and started drawing on there. It looks so low budget.
Starting point is 00:52:45 I'm not making fun of it. I still love it. I still want it. No, I got genuine red shots. I'm in on the bare bones stuff that comes with PGA tour live. Image quality is not as sharp. I doesn't really bother me. If they show, they do such a good job with that
Starting point is 00:52:59 when they have the emergency coverage today. And it's progress. A lot of pro, like listen to this conversation we're having versus like five years ago. Fowl though made the Genesis land of confusion joke, at least four times. So I wanna, that was not good. But I learned that.
Starting point is 00:53:12 I'll yield the rest of my time. Sure. Tombo today was, I saw there's sideburns going on. Fowl's sideburns are like, they're out of control. It's like all red alert on the other things. Moan rolled aside. Those, the, that's gonna be my bet proposal by the way
Starting point is 00:53:25 Okay, look at there. Yeah, I was bummed for the for the Genesis guy having a shirt You know being full of clothes. He was taught yet. Yeah, as well. Yeah And then we saw the cat. Well, no, that's a rock. Yeah, we'll talk cat in a bit here. I think I they were all saying the right things on Saturday as well, with in beginning of the telecast today, as far as, hey, we wanna see it firm, we wanna see less rough,
Starting point is 00:53:55 and we wanna see just better, like just more execution of golf shots instead of land and stop kind of thing. Dottie, Frank, Ian, all those times. They did have like a two minute exchange that was awesome. That was great. Yeah, and it was like all of them were totally unleashed and said whatever that was on their mind.
Starting point is 00:54:13 It almost felt like they, you could almost hear the relief in their voice. I've been waiting to say this. 100% out. I've been waiting to say this. I'm glad I got to say it. I watched a lot more Thursday Friday than I'd probably usually do and they were like, they were loose, man.
Starting point is 00:54:26 They were joking around with each other. They're giving each other shit. I don't want to encourage that, because it's not funny. Which they're sensitive to humor and not good. But at least it was like, all right, man, it's at least it's better than the usual. Just because, because lances, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:39 I just know there's no despot. Well, no, I think it's just like a breath of fresh air that regardless of who's in there, I think sellers shy is doing a really good job because like it does feel like there's a renewed sense of purpose and a renewed sense of just new energy. Like ownership of it of like, hey, like we give a shit.
Starting point is 00:54:56 We are proud of our products. It seems like they're embracing the process a little bit. And I think going back to even as far as Nance. Nance feels like there's a weight off of his shoulders and he's more free and he's just talking more freely about everything that's going on instead of yielding to Fowdo to talk about nonsense or this or that. I don't know. I just feel like Nance is more free to- I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way.
Starting point is 00:55:24 I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I feel that way. I just feel like Nancy's, I feel that was more freed up. The Noble O2, I think Noble has been awesome recently as well. Yeah. Since they are listening, I would say one thing I want to see in a, we know it's a blessing. Because they're actually responding to some of these things. It's taken a few years, but next advancement I want to see is, they've done such a great job honestly in the last several years of golf. Pro Tracer, the little golden tee thing on the side
Starting point is 00:55:44 that shows the ball in the air. This score, this scoreboard on the bottom right. Scoreboard on the bottom right. The next frontier is strokes game. Even for a die hard like myself, strokes game is hard to understand. When I see Tony Fiena'll hit a tee shot, I have no idea what he's gained.
Starting point is 00:55:59 So while the ball's rolling out, maybe if it's in that shot scope on the right. Do a man get in the context? Do like, hey, a gain of point one is right here in this line, gain of point two right here, gain of point three, you hit in this bunker, it is minus point four. And like, start to illustrate where shots are gained and lost on the PJ tour that you're going to help illustrate why driving distance is important, what accuracy really means, where the death spots are, where the good spots are. I think that would help people
Starting point is 00:56:25 a lot, because they default to a definition of, that's fine there, and that's gonna be trouble there. And I think there's a lot in between that. That's an outstanding idea. You gave a shout out today on Twitter too, sorry about the A on risk reward challenge. How great was that? Excellent.
Starting point is 00:56:43 It was an additive. Yes. Number 10. If you lay up, you know, people make a little, little worse than par. There's all the hot spots. Here's the goat. You got to go for it. Yes. And maybe, you know, maybe the drivers go too long and too straight. You know, there's no, there's no risks to it. But like that's great info for me. I was locked into that segment, Especially when for a very casual fan who doesn't watch very much golf or whatever, seeing where Max's ball ends up to hear it.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Like that probably stops a lot of them for me. Like what the fuck, why doesn't he lay up? What's he doing? You don't have to go for it, you know? It's, yeah, it's, it's additive. It makes the viewer smarter, which is the goal. 100%. I have one hamster damn thing.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Before we move off of that, I was thinking the exact same thing on the driving distance stuff for watching Dustin. Like watching how he was driving the ball is like, dude, someone needs to put this in context house. As you said, he was in absolute God mode between like Friday and Saturday. It was unbelievable seeing how he was driving the ball. Well, we'll talk about the bass bass bass bass. He may have got smited after that.
Starting point is 00:57:38 So, and I said this on Twitter, this is unrelated to the actual tournament. Weather delay. We see last year's replay. I like, yes, I want to watch live golf. But I was kind of into it. I was like, oh man, you know, I, you don't remember it from last year. I think that's just because you didn't watch last year. No, I did watch last year, but why don't they show those if you paid $700 million or whatever
Starting point is 00:58:04 the number is, it seems like a good business move to maximize your investment. Why is there not at least a cut down hour to two hours on a Monday or Tuesday night of last year's tournament to get me ready for this year's tournament? I would check in with that weekly. They do that.
Starting point is 00:58:21 I mean, they do that very sparingly. Well, why isn't it a feature thing? Like every Tuesday night from eight to 10? Like, I mean, and I said this on Twitter and it's like, Sky Sports does it. Okay. That's like, so I don't understand. Like if you're paying that much money for it, you would think that you would want to the only time they open up that vault for old tournament, they end up, they'll show like the players from, you know, whenever like sometimes you see classic golf, which is awesome. They had the 2013 players on this week. Yeah, but you can only do that so many times. And I think there's,
Starting point is 00:58:54 I think there's two things going on here. I think a lot of those replays are based upon, you know, ratings that didn't get met. So they're part of a sponsor contract to where, hey, you guys get a replay on golf channel at this time because you didn't meet a 3.0 or whatever. But think about like the way we look at like wild war golf or something, like they live on our, you can access them at any time. Like why wouldn't you want to,
Starting point is 00:59:28 this thing you paid hundreds of millions of dollars for, why wouldn't you, at the very least, just replay it? Or if you're smart, like package it, here is a cut down version. Like I'm legitimately asking. So I'm gonna challenge how much you actually do on a watch this because the PJ Torg does have a thing like this, which is called like PJ Tour Rewind or something like that that you basically like subscribe to
Starting point is 00:59:51 and you can watch old rounds. First I'm hearing this. Exactly. But I would say on golf channel, a channel that seems to be struggling for original content that people wanna watch. I'm saying I doubt that that's what's holding it up but who knows, maybe it's like a,
Starting point is 01:00:06 why would we, you know, allow golf channels to run this stuff all over the place when we're trying to monetize it over here and do this on demand thing? Might be part of it, don't know. I doubt that that's the case, but it's the possibility. And two, like, it has to do some, like, it has to have something to do with rights and stuff.
Starting point is 01:00:22 I don't know if the rights are carte blanche, just like sign the check and they do what I want. It's not CBS, because CBS is paying all this money. God, it's so much money. And the tour, yeah, but- You've got that not included unlimited redistribution. But CBS is never the one putting this back up. It'd be the tour putting it back up.
Starting point is 01:00:38 And at some point, all right, what do I want to watch? I want to watch the five, I'm not sure if it was five or six man playoff from, it was like Charles Howell and Phil, right? Alan B and Brando. Yeah, awesome. And you know, there's just like, there's so many rate. There's so much random stuff I want to watch from the 80s and 90s and just setting the stage for these events and seeing how these events have- I'll tell you why they don't do that though. It's sponsors, right?
Starting point is 01:01:08 Sponsors change. So, can't show the niece on open. They don't want to give niece on how jacked up does everyone get when the master's puts that on YouTube to watch anything from like 1960 on. It's like that everybody goes nuts for that. I don't know. And this is- How can you not fit?
Starting point is 01:01:24 It seems like there's value there. What I'm getting at is like, if I'm thinking about it from a business standpoint. And so let's look at next year, ESPM Plus, right, is taken over the streaming stuff. And like, I'll never give them access to anything in the vault of what they're... There couldn't be some type of rev sharing going on.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Like it just feels like there's something. I don't know. Maybe I'm trying to do someone else's job right now, but it just struck me to, all right. Maybe I'm sorry, I'm getting lost in the sauce. I don't get why they wouldn't do, I mean, I know this is what you're saying, but like you mentioned brandels in that play off the LA open.
Starting point is 01:01:58 Like, even just like, why not just like sitting down with brandel, cutting it down to an hour and just being like oh yeah earlier in the week I had this going on. I remember this this guy On stuff as you need totally like I don't know why gosh that seems like talk about sponsored money Like how is somebody not sponsoring that show? It seems to it would it cost sit down with max at this time next year And you're like hey man, let's go through you round. What shots are you most nervous about what were you thinking? What were you thinking here? What do you look at sound-
Starting point is 01:02:25 Tony say during the playoff. What it, like, God, I mean, sound effects that NFL films does? Where they yes, they like to act the guys up. The following week, it's like, hey, here's the best sound clips from, the tour is three, four, five, six, 10 years behind the times. There's so much you have hours and hours, days of content.
Starting point is 01:02:47 It's a lot easier in my mind to recut, repurpose, reuse what you already have and add a little bit like you're saying, add a little bit of analysis over it. And then on Twitter, a lot of responses to what I said were, well, why don't we have, why don't we do something with the practice rounds? Like, I think that's a great idea. It just seems like Monday, were, well, why don't we have, like, why don't we do something with the practice rounds? Like, I think that's a great idea.
Starting point is 01:03:06 It just seems like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I almost find myself wanting to put on the golf channel, but then I turn it on and I'm like, man, I don't really want to watch, like, just interviews. I don't want to watch them talking. I want to watch them playing golf. And you have all this old golf for me to watch. Why can't I watch that?
Starting point is 01:03:23 And it's all about the subscription thing. So maybe I would, I mean, that would not even exist anywhere. That was there when I worked there. It's all additive to like getting someone to watch this year's telecast. Exactly, it would set up the course for me. It would remind me and then it would help.
Starting point is 01:03:38 And then they want to get into the live bedding and everything. It's like, well, oh my God, you know, I forgot that. Coacher played well last year and I. It's like, well, oh my God, you know, I forgot that. Cooture played well last year. And I forgot, Adam Scott won last year, right? It's like, oh my God, yeah, you know, horses for the course here. So it just feels like a miss, sorry.
Starting point is 01:03:56 So that's my hamster, damn. That was truly a hamster, damn. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Going back to the tour though, I think, you know, like what should the tour have done? I'm glad that they didn't just call the roundoff and restart and just throw everything out. There was so much culture there.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Everything out. Yeah. But, you know, it just seemed like, you know, it seemed like a little bit fly by to see their pants too, where they said, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna postpone it for the next hour. And then nothing substantively changed. And then they said, hey, we're gonna go back out.
Starting point is 01:04:33 And then all of a sudden, no, we're calling it off for another 90 minutes or two hours. And then they said, well, some piece of communications equipment fell and blamed it on that. And it's like, no, just just, just tell the fucking truth, like the balls wouldn't stay on the greens, right? Like, TC's on his well-spit. You did it truth!
Starting point is 01:04:51 Tell the truth! No, but just like, don't, don't, don't say it's because some, some random piece of PGA tour live or, you know, something fell over on the 14th hole. Just, just say, hey, the balls aren't staying on the greens. Yeah, I think. PjTorri won might not exist anymore. I'm not really sure.
Starting point is 01:05:07 It looks pretty bleak. There's 1,300 subscribers on YouTube. KD YouTube. We'll investigate. We'll investigate the fridge. Okay, so even that though, you're gonna, you're gonna prevent golf channel from, I'm saying that prop may not be the case.
Starting point is 01:05:21 I'm just trying to think of any reason to why. Okay, so you're trying to drive. Let's say it was a paid subscription or maybe it's golf TV maybe they have have it and I just I don't I'm not a golf to TV subscriber but well that's international stuff also. I still know about it guys they can't even get people are. I'm just saying the live stuff I'm just saying how how maybe in the negotiations it's like man you know it would be super valuable for for the $700 million is like if we could play the alternatives. Like that would be, how is that not part of it? Somebody, somebody answered my question. I'm going nuts over here.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Because they would just go charge you more. It's not included in the set. I'm putting on how their mind works. I know, but it seems like even that stuff to me would, you know, you would make more ad money on those. But nobody thinks long term. It's all short term. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:06:04 I'm sorry. I'm lost in the sauce right now. Let's please move on. Maybe the bass be, I don't know. But nobody thinks long term. It's all short term. Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm lost in the sauce right now. Let's please move on. Maybe the bass master, you tell me so. Let's talk about the cat. Oh, God, please. The cat makes an appearance in the booth. Let's not raise any conjecture about the cat.
Starting point is 01:06:16 We can't prove anything. This is all legit. This is all legit. I'll just ask you, did the cat look good too? He didn't look good. Did he sound good to you? He did not sound good. No, he didn't.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Guys, people are on me. That's what they're saying. You know what I see? Why are you bumping this? Why are you bumping this? I don't wanna do that. No, that's the last thing you wanna do. He looked like he was, he looked awful.
Starting point is 01:06:34 He looked like he was feeling good. He looks, he looks good. He's like Neil. When he shows up on screen, you don't know what he's gonna look like. You don't know what his look is. Is he gonna be fit? He's gonna have the goatee,
Starting point is 01:06:44 he's gonna have the thin, the light here what his look is. Is he gonna be fit? He's gonna have the goatee, he's gonna have the thin beard. Yeah, the sharpie beard. Thank you. No, seriously, any sharpie beard. Do the sharpie beard. Do the sharpie beard. Yeah, comparison to the cat. I mean, I'm honored.
Starting point is 01:06:55 Because sometimes you just look, shows up just looking fit like an athlete and clean and sometimes got long hair. I remember last year at this very tournament, after his round, I was like, God, he looks so skinny and just like, he looks dehydrated and just washed out. And this, he was like leanin' forward into the camera.
Starting point is 01:07:13 It looked like- He looked like someone who had just had back surgery. Yeah, that's true. It looked like an interview from 2016. Like, when you gonna be like, well, God, I hope so. I hope I'm there, I'm so excited. And Jim, I'm just just,
Starting point is 01:07:24 I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just'm gonna be a hope I'm there. I'm excited. And Jim, I'm just gonna just put a little, he looked a little like he had his, like a piece of paper. I'm still in a gym. You could tell he's reading off, like, look like he was preparing for that interview at the last minute. It almost felt to me like all week.
Starting point is 01:07:37 They were like, we'd love to get Tiger in the booth. And it was like 10 minutes before Tiger was in the booth, he agreed to it. Yeah, we don't know how he's gonna be. So let's just, yeah, exactly like, well, Tiger's not to it. Yeah, we don't know how he's gonna be, so let's just... Yeah, exactly. Well, Tyre's not really feeling very good and we don't know if we want to put him in the booth. And so it was almost like,
Starting point is 01:07:52 it felt like a fire drill there with Nance and Tyre. Like Nance was kind of, he was asking really long drawn out questions, he was, it didn't feel like that was expected in a way. Yeah, it didn't feel cheery. No, it didn't. All right, should we talk about Dustin? It was, Tron said this to our group,
Starting point is 01:08:11 group, I mean, it's just really weird to, and unsettling to see him out of sorts. That was a bummer to, you know, kind of felt like his to lose a little bit. I felt like getting in that final group and, you know, with how well he's been playing, with how much he's won, with how good he's won with how good he's been at Riviera with how inexperienced Sam Burns was like it felt like a very dust and it's gonna go
Starting point is 01:08:30 run away with this thing and it's just really from like the when he didn't make birdie on one it was almost like whoa that's that was kind of unsettling yeah what's going on yeah and I just never really found his footing it's sucked. Goal you, those rounds are not very far away when the conditions are like that. It's the exact round that's going to, if you're a little off, like it's going to punish you on repeat, on repeat, on repeat, and you're just going to kind of be like treading water, and there's no real way to go. But the golf course was set up so well for just like, if you are tactical and hit your right spots,
Starting point is 01:09:02 you're going to take this place apart. But if you're missing the wrong spots, if you're off, and if you're getting the stickiest of the icky, the cacooia, then it's gonna get you. It's gonna get you. What was his fairway percentage? He had five of 14 on Sunday. He lost almost a shot off the tee, which when DJs lose and strokes off the tee,
Starting point is 01:09:20 that's a bad spot. The fish just weren't bite. I was gonna say, we're on the same wavelength. His driver's been a complete get out of jail free card. He just got himself into trouble off the tee today. And it was almost like he didn't know what to do. He's like so used to hit it, so good off the tee. He got snagged in a couple branches,
Starting point is 01:09:39 for sure, with the lures. I think that wind changes and they just stop biting. There's only so much you can do. You you just got to kind of wait for it to wait for it to turn around and Sometimes you go home empty-handed the best master thing works even better when he's got that hoodie on Gator it's like god, man, it's too good shout out to Bunky Perkins straight up so good. I'm looking at the I'm looking at the leaderboard. I had no idea Victor Hauvin finished T5. That's so good. I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the leaderboard. I had no idea Victor Halvin finished T5. That's first time hearing of this.
Starting point is 01:10:09 I didn't see a single shot of his in the last two days. I think they showed him at the very, I think they flipped it at the bottom, showed him at the very last minute. The Fred X Cup is just, it's a complete, it's a boat race. Oh, we're not talking about that. I'm trying to be honest. I've traded million Sundays like today.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I'm not sure. A million Fred X couple of losses. We're not doing that. I would, you know who else I'd like to talk about? The Mangy Dog. Camp Smith. Yes. God, he's total dog.
Starting point is 01:10:32 T.C. called it today. Total dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. He might be a stray dog. He's a stray animal. You don't know what he's gonna do. He's unpredictable.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Super unpredictable. Hasn't had shots, baby. Who knows? But he's trying to mix it up with everybody. He's trying to get in the mix. He is. He's a gamer, man. I like watching him play. He shot on 16, 17. Like, he almost made it to. He's going after dogs bigger than him. He doesn't, he doesn't care, man. He's just willing to, he's willing to get in the ring. Does he play a draw or a fade? I've always pictured him as a fader. I've always pictured him as a fader. And then they got to 10. He's like,
Starting point is 01:11:04 he's gonna play a fader. That's going against his normal shot shape. I was like, I don't ever remember watching seeing Cam Smith play a draw. That's a good question. I don't know how to do that. He just puts well. It doesn't matter how he gets the ball to the green.
Starting point is 01:11:15 He did not put, did not put well at 17. That was cool. I thought he had the cover still on the potter. What do you mean he made potter? That was tough putt. Yeah, he actually lost strokes putting this week. He struck the shit out of the ball, but did not have the fodder go in this week.
Starting point is 01:11:30 How about Cocrack lighting up a volunteer this morning? That was awesome. I want to ask him to assist. He, somebody's on a cart or something as he's getting ready to chip and he like turns and yeah, he's like, you can't be moving back there, hits his chip and then there's a bad chip and as he's walking through the green to his caddy, he's like, you can't be moving back there, hits his chip, and then there's a bad chip,
Starting point is 01:11:45 and as he's walking to the green to his caddy, he's like, how about that guy? Like you can't just walk wherever you want, like very clearly picked up by the mics. Like it didn't, and the commentators were even all over it. They're like, ooh, it didn't look like he shook that off very well before he hit that shot. We may need to institute a new McKenzie Hughes,
Starting point is 01:12:01 and it called the Jason Cocrack, 74-74 on the weekend to not win After being in the final group. You know what we're not gonna do that. It's gotta be at least 77 77 Okay, anything else from Riff or can we put a bow on? I would I would like to say One thing about the course. I said this morning on thread when I I don't know why the maybe it's the California light and on our thread. When I, I don't know why the, maybe it's the California light and the trees. I love the spooker. They you go into the trees.
Starting point is 01:12:28 And the first tee with the view out from the, from the top tee box there, I, it made, it's one of the few courses on the PGA tour that I look at and say, I wish I was playing golf today. And I don't say that, I really don't say that that often. Like no offense to someplace like Bay Hill,
Starting point is 01:12:42 but I'm like, no offense to anyone. Really? Like I don't, when I, when I see him tee and I like, when I turn to someplace like Bay Hill, but I'm like, when... No offense to anyone. Really, like I don't, when I see him tee and when I turn on coverage of Bay Hill, I'm like, I'm like excited to watch the golf, but I'm not excited to be like, I don't, it doesn't make me like, oh, you're into play.
Starting point is 01:12:53 And that's something about the course makes me... I love that you had to do no offense to Bay Hill. Like was Bay Hill gonna be very offended by that statement? Honestly, probably, yeah. Yeah, no, maybe they are, but... And it might be the, I mean, Harvard time. Maybe FAA, that's interesting. Going to Orlando, maybe it's part of like,
Starting point is 01:13:09 ah, I wish I was, you know, California's fun to visit and there's like an aura. Oh, a pebble. Like, no offense to pebble. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no offense to anyone covered that. But that's not, no, T.C., that's a good point.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Like, pebble, I see pebble and I would say pebble probably makes me like, man, I wish I was playing Pebble, but it's something about Rive just makes me want to play golf. Like because the actual course in the land, they're not good. It's not that interesting. There's no ocean view. There's no, it's like there's no fluff.
Starting point is 01:13:37 It's just like, wow, the golf course, the actual hole, this hole looks awesome. And it's like hole after hole after hole and shout out to CBS for the drone shots. That's helping me probably feel that way. I just feel like I wanna go play the game of golf when I watch it. I think a lot of that is just the ball,
Starting point is 01:13:57 what the ball does when it's on the ground every year makes it so much more engaging. You can't take your eyes off of the screen like the camsmith shot into 17. It's not like he almost flew it in the hole on 17. He landed it in the perfect spot at Chaston. You're watching it the whole time. Like you're on the edge of your seat, you know, a lot more watching the ball on the ground than you are in the air, which we've said a billion times, but it is a great example.
Starting point is 01:14:18 And there's that the they do a good job with the cross bunker. Like the holes are sh, they're almost framed really well 18s a great example And I think the camera works great there where it kind of weaves around and then there's this big, you know It's so much better now than it was even three years ago. It just fits my eye really well And I think it you know you guys feel the same way. I just really really like it So one of the give rib and CBS a shout out who missed thick rough this week So I wanted to give Riv and CBS a shout out. Who missed ThickRuff this week? Does it?
Starting point is 01:14:46 I keep hearing these clamors for more rough on PJ Torgulf courses and I'm waiting for the first fun one with ThickRuff. So Mike Wann is the new USGACO. It's been a little, it doesn't feel like that was this week. Least shocking news, but maybe a little shocking after I interview with him, he didn't sound like he was. Oh, he totally did. He was playing POSK him. He didn't sound like he was oh he totally did. He was playing posse Sure, he fooled me
Starting point is 01:15:09 This was a TC special Most credit TC. Yeah, most credit TC. What did they consult you? There's a what he said? I just said like god like this is a fucking no brainer. Yeah According to Tron Carter a Twitter. It made too much sense Which yeah, I do wonder how it's all gonna play out, but obviously we've all been quite complimentary of what Juan has done at the LPGA tour and I think the USGA probably could use some rebranding
Starting point is 01:15:37 and leadership that is along these lines and I think it could be great for him. I don't know what it means for distant stuff. I don't know what his... It's a former OEM guy, right? Former OEM guy, I don't know. He even says himself he's not a big golf guy. Does he know the rules?
Starting point is 01:15:54 What does that mean for the structure of what his job looks like? I don't know, it's to be determined. I do think it's amazing how universal this decision seems. And I'm also in that camp, but it also makes me suspicious as to why everyone is like, what an amazing move. It almost never seems like that works out great.
Starting point is 01:16:13 It kind of feels like, you know, someone who's willing to listen, right? Like someone who's willing to be the sum of all the best parts and figure out, all right, hey, here's what we have going on. Here's what the USGH strengths are. He said it in his opening remarks. He said, hey, we want to have the best championships. Right?
Starting point is 01:16:37 How do you make the US open, the US women's open, USM? How do you make those the best championships, right? And then build the entire organization around those things. I do have concerns about the OEM, Stahlite, and he's a former tailor-made exec. He's, you know, We're from Wilson, I think, for a while. Wilson, and then Procter and Gamble, you know.
Starting point is 01:17:00 He used to sell, you know, to Shwacher, to charge it in toothpaste, you know. Not a proctoid though. Yeah, allegedly. Much more engaging. It seems like. So hopefully we'll have him back on in his new ride. I would say I would give the USGA as a body credit
Starting point is 01:17:16 for he seems like somebody that will challenge the status quo. Yeah, and so it's nice. He's not a blue blood. Yeah, and again, I don't want to say no offense, but no offense to anybody like rising through the ranks there, but it's nice to get a fresh perspective at the top. And like, that's an organization that's been around
Starting point is 01:17:32 a very long time and could use probably a fresh perspective and hasn't been, you know, kind of indoctrinated maybe. Or like, I wonder how much of the, I think you can kind of almost feel like a tidal shift a little bit of in the USGA between both what you're saying, moved Pinehurst just like a very, whenever I would think of the USGA
Starting point is 01:17:55 when I was a lot younger, it's always like, oh yes, we hang out at, I picture him sitting in the grill room at Garden City or something like that. And it's like, now it's like you're going to Pinehurst, which is a very public, like such a forward facing public place. It's very like.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Just outside New York, somewhere just outside. Yeah. Just outside Manhattan. I don't know. Exactly where. It's far hills. It's not short hills. It's far hills.
Starting point is 01:18:18 It's far hills. We don't know where that is, but it's, you know what I mean though? It's a, it's a, it's also a very private organization., it's, it's, it's, uh, yeah, they've always seemed like a very private organization and it seems like they're at least attempting to try to be a little bit more like, you know, aren't wide open. I think that's the thing that's, that's kind of killed me is like they've,
Starting point is 01:18:34 they've, they've, they've acknowledged, I think of the last few years that they've needed to brand things of, you know, a bit better and have a better, uh, communication. Yeah, I just, just a, a better storefront have a better communication. Yeah, just a better storefront to the golf world. But at the end of the day, the actions may not have matched that. And then it feels two or three X, like more disingenuous,
Starting point is 01:19:01 when the actions don't match the storefront. Where now it's like, hey, let's try to get something to where both of those things match up. And I think that's important. I think it's a good thing for women. It can only be a good thing for women's golf, with his relationship with the women's game.
Starting point is 01:19:13 And speaking of which, the LPGA television schedule was announced, NBC is producing more than 500 tournament hours of women's golf coverage in 2021. Most hours and events ever dedicated to the women's game, you're going to see LPJ on CBS a couple of times this summer. The marathon LPJ and the Dow Great Lakes, which is interesting. Network TV, that was his whole thing, the whole pot. The network TV didn't increase, it went from, as far as my count,
Starting point is 01:19:38 it was only nine events on network TV this year. On NBC at least. Well, but... Are we counting big flasks event as network TV or now that counted as network TV for sure. That was that was women's golf on network TV. So and also fill potentially getting more involved in broadcast this year. I saw this is from front office sports that Steve Lloyd, whose fills agents says it wouldn't surprise me if in the next 12 to 24 months, you might see more of Phil on the air. So.
Starting point is 01:20:07 I'm, I'm, I'm struggling there. I can only imagine that when Phil was finished and out on 18th pebble with his glove on, he's like, gotta keep one of the fucking booths, man, his socks. Speaking of putting the glove on in case we forget to get to him, shout out to Tyler McCumber.
Starting point is 01:20:22 Oh, got awesome first couple of days. Yeah. Yeah, the, the Phil thing in the booth was, was it massively invigorating when we saw him at the PGA last year? Of course, it was roasting Fowdo. Awesome, it was really, really great. Is there such a thing as, you know, too much of a good thing?
Starting point is 01:20:37 Definitely. So do I want to see him every week? I'd be hesitant to make that proclamation. How many times out of a hundred would you want Fowl-O overfill? 100. But Fowl-O overfill. Fowl overfill. No, you're zero.
Starting point is 01:20:51 Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, I have to think of the way around. Yeah, no, zero. Okay, so you're right. There isn't too much of a good thing. I think there's some danger there, though. I think there's some danger there, though. I would, the devil that I know versus the devil that I don't know. I think feel like I'm a total land of confusion.
Starting point is 01:21:07 I think Phil could do some really, really bad things. The broadcast. So I may have to kind of say, like, like, like, shake it up, man, you know, like, having, having, having, he's on offense the whole time at pleapo playing defense. Like that'd be, they were, they were talking about, they were pumping the shit out of the fact that he's playing the colo guard next week on the champion store. Which, if I look at, since Johnny Miller's retired,
Starting point is 01:21:30 there's not like a lead co-heat, like fully committed voice on the telecast right now. Like both Fowdo and Azinger don't, you know, they kind of speak in a little bit of platitudes. They fall back on the same things. Fowdo just openly just does just word vomit. He just throws out whatever he's thinking. It doesn't even have to go through any real actual process.
Starting point is 01:21:49 He's like, I forget what he did something today where he just openly asked a question to himself. Like, oh, is he aiming this left? And I'm just like, that's not an analysis. So yeah, I think Phil could completely transform golf on television. So I would not be afraid of, he would give us so much content. Maybe that's the lens I view it through, but he would be relentless in that regard.
Starting point is 01:22:12 I just don't know about that. Yeah, I don't think they can pay him enough. I just don't know how that, that's where I struggle. He wants to be Roma. Yeah, he thinks he's like, you know, yeah, like $15, $18 million a year, you mean, probably the same, you know, Rommel has what, $16, $18 games a year. And, you know, Phil's saying, hey, give me $16, $18 games a year or tournaments a year. And they're like, no, like, you have, like, the NFL contract is so different from the PGA tour contract
Starting point is 01:22:45 and what we're making from this, that's insane. Yeah. We're gonna lose a lot of hard cameras if we get fill in the booth, but maybe we don't need them as many. Well, that's not the tariff sign. That's not a nothing comment, because there's so much of,
Starting point is 01:22:56 why can't you do this on the broadcast? Why can't you do this? Why can't you do this? It's like, there's so stretch then on the right steel and what they have to pay the tour, that it's, yeah, I don't get how that works. That's not an insignificant amount of money.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Yeah. Super, super significant. I mean, who knows if NASA's going to be at CBS, past, I mean, the threat is ESPN and a lot of it. I think that's total bullshit. Who knows? Feels like kind of a smoke screen. Could be.
Starting point is 01:23:20 A couple things. All right, I want to do a quick segment here on our, this is our February version of our Cali, what's in the bag series? Are you up? I'm up. Hell yeah. I wanna talk. I wanna talk to you.
Starting point is 01:23:32 Okay. Because I'm the master fitter guy. Okay. And you never listen to what I want to say. Should you give the people some context and gasp reel this week before you talk about, you know, I feel like that would set you up as a real authoritative source for this.
Starting point is 01:23:44 Yeah, sure. So I have struggled in golf for the last six to eight months. Let's give over that one. Well, I struggled a lot and I struggled particularly off the tee. I had a left miss going very, like a horrific left miss. Describe it was at a chloroform.
Starting point is 01:24:01 150 yards off the tee into the trees. Was it a spin-in form? No. Or it was a straight left ball. Straight left miss. Describe it was at a core. 150 yards off the tee into the trees. Was it was it was it was it was it a total club. No, it was a straight left. Straight left ball. Like toad. Like no understanding of how it is going that far left. Shadda Sam Burns, who's who's had one of those today that bounced back in bounce. I have played a tournament this year where I have aimed out of bounds right just to make sure it stays in balance. It's all to be clear. You are you are a right hinder golfer. I'm a right hand golferfer. I later, kind of, find out. I think some injury had something to do with it.
Starting point is 01:24:28 I was really dragging the club inside, doing all these things, blah, blah, blah. And it was contributing to the club getting horribly across the line and then going way left. And I didn't really know that the Maverick regular Cali driver has a draw bias in it. And I accidentally grabbed my epic flash one day and had to use it for the round. And looked down at it and I was like, oh my God, this club face like makes so much sense to me. And it was, it mitigated the left miss
Starting point is 01:24:55 because it just didn't have that draw bias. Anyways, fast forward another month. I've worked a ton on my takeaway, worked a ton on my swing, and I've kind of worked into now hitting a cut. But with that epic flash, I was block cutting. Everything was missing right, but I was okay with that. I'm kind of building towards getting rid of the left miss.
Starting point is 01:25:12 And I'm kind of building building, but not really getting there. And then it just like clicked in my mind. I was like, oh, let's go back to the Maverick. This is exactly what the draw bias is, therefore, to help limit this fade. All that process just got me to thinking of how we talk so much about equipment, we talk so much about clubs, and we don't talk a lot about getting fit, and how important it is to try and get the clubs to match up on your own. An experiment took me a long, long time to do.
Starting point is 01:25:42 I should have worked closer with our certified master fitter sitting to my left, that's what I'm getting at. And the recognition of the technology, and like some of the shots I hit this past week and where it is just fading five yards instead of going into the right trees, allowed me to compete. And I was just wanting to get that off my chest of the importance of getting fit into the right equipment
Starting point is 01:26:02 when you're changing equipment as to how important that is. So what's your plan moving forward? We're closer with TC. And just now understanding that when I switch into the Epic Speed, which is about that time to do that, in understanding what the bias is in the club, what the club is trying to promote,
Starting point is 01:26:19 what the settings are doing on the club to open or close the club face, and how that's relating to my misses, and how if I I take two different clubs and I'm getting two different results, it doesn't mean I need to make a swing change with it. It means I probably need to make some kind of equipment adjustment with it. Yeah, I'm a big, big proponent of get the right club in the first place and then make small tweaks instead of, hey, you know, this club, like get the 10.5 and then tune it down to nine and then put the draw
Starting point is 01:26:49 and they're like, no, like I still think you need to get the right club. And then there's so many other tools at your disposal to fine tune it the way you want it to be, right? And a big thing being changing one variable at a time. Yes. Don't change the loft and the end, the face squareness and the draw, the club, whatever,
Starting point is 01:27:06 like from a sub-zero to a regular all at once because you don't know really how that's gonna affect you. But I've always been kind of, I just had the thought that like, you know, I could change from one year's Cowboy equipment to the next year and it should be pretty normal. And any issues I was having were my swing, but in reality,
Starting point is 01:27:23 there's a lot of variables going on. And it's not to be quite clear. It's not the equipment's fault. It's just a getting it actually in the right setting. And you can use online tools, Cowboys got online tools to be able to do all that stuff, to get properly fit. But I've just seen hand in hand the difference
Starting point is 01:27:37 in just popping one club head off and putting on another one in terms of how my two golf swings have been. Watching those two different ball flights has kind of blown my mind this past. I had a similar feeling switching from the rogue driver. I hit the rogue really well. So you had to set on the wrong setting for a year. I did.
Starting point is 01:27:54 But my point being, I think some of it also mentally wrapping your head around. Like what you're saying about what the club is trying to promote. And like almost when you start to, you said the aha moment, when you start to understand like, oh, you know, I don't, it almost puts you at ease where you're, you stop thinking about like, I have to do, like, I have to work so hard to do, you know, whatever it is you're trying to prevent. When you're like, actually, you know, the club will, like, maybe this club is just set wrong. You just gotta wrap your head around what the,
Starting point is 01:28:29 I think you want the club to be guarding against the lowest common denominator. You want it to be guarding against your baseline miss. Just making that miss a little bit less bad. Exactly. I can play from barely in the right fairway, or barely in the right rough. When it's going way right, that's not a good thing
Starting point is 01:28:50 unless it goes way right, which can be a good thing. But I am now really starting to understand how to start it on one spot and get it to go that direction and not feel like I'm guiding it, but feeling like I'm just sending it on that line. I don't know if that makes sense. So I think you're a prime candidate for just the regular epic speed and then the thing I'd like to work with you on
Starting point is 01:29:14 is shaft. Yes. Because I think you've always just played a stock shaft or standard shaft and I think there's different flux points and different things going on. 100%. I think you could gain from a lot more stability in the bottom of the shop.
Starting point is 01:29:28 TC and I had a good session a couple of weeks ago, up at Coastal. Coastal Indoor. Join us. I'd love to. We'd welcome you. It's time. I needed to get through this past weekend,
Starting point is 01:29:38 and now I'm ready to. Yeah, variables, right? I'm right. Yeah. You know, it's nice to know what the club's promoting. I'll tell you what, though, some of the stuff that comes off this track meant, the data, it can overwhelm you.
Starting point is 01:29:51 And then it also makes, sometimes when I see my club path and how over the top, it just makes me mad. I'm like, man, I wish my- You get so triggered. I just hate my club path. You get so angry at data. Because I put so much spin on the ball. And I'm like, I don't want to see that, man.
Starting point is 01:30:07 Because you just want the screen to say like all zeros. You want to change your whole entire goal. Oh, I just don't want it. So that you see all perfect numbers. I don't like coming over the top. I was like, he's competing against the track. It's like, he's like, he's like, he's competing against the track. I was honest to God.
Starting point is 01:30:21 Me and Randy, it was maybe the most fun I had in 2020 was me and Randy sitting. Fuck you, dude. And watching Neil hippos on the track, man, it was maybe the most fun I had in 2020 was me and Randy sitting. Fuck you, dudes. And watching Neil hippos on the track band, it just, just lobbing grenades. It's like, oh god. You got to dig so much. You got to dig so much. Spin on that.
Starting point is 01:30:32 Oh god, Neil, what harder? On that point, first. On that first smash factor, you almost missed it. On that front, I'm excited. Neal's got the new Apex pros coming in. I do, and I'm excited about those. And I'm graduating to the ball striker, Iron. Yeah, I think, I think, like, I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention.
Starting point is 01:30:46 I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention.
Starting point is 01:31:02 I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to get a lot of attention. I'm going to be able to. Yeah, it is. I'm governing myself. That's very cool. I'm growing up. I'm growing up. Provided with the personal eye. That's very mature. I'm excited for it. I think you guys are also going to like what's next because I'm about to start some speed training. Oh my god. Dispersion. Can you give us a 208 call? Can you give us a good, I need to hit 171 first before I get to 208, I think. But just needed to get through this past week and we're on our way from that.
Starting point is 01:31:34 Can we just have a couple more just, you know, a sides from Riv? Sure thing. So going back to Haaland, Haaland had no idea. He was in the top five. Matt Fitzpatrick, I'm never, I'm always totally taken aback when I see him putting with the flag stick in from close range. I'm so I feel like I watched Matt Fitzpatrick miss nine straights.
Starting point is 01:31:58 Not his day to day. Six footers. I felt, he shot 71 today. I know, but every time this show didn't miss a six footer, especially early on, it was tough. He did his Saturday thing, firm conditions every time. It's firm on Saturday and when he's out in front of the leaders, he goes out and gets it, shot 69 on Saturday.
Starting point is 01:32:13 I said this to the, shout out to the light. It's getting strong today, though. I feel like you want to, like you want to pick Matt Fitzpatrick when, like, oh, this is going to be a hard setup this week. But it's almost like when the course, the courses, how am I, what am I trying to say here?
Starting point is 01:32:28 The courses that shouldn't be that hard of a setup, but then they end up being hard, that's when he plays well. When he gets accidentally hard. When he gets accidentally hard. Accidentally hard is when he then steps up. It's not like when you think it's like, oh, this course is always so hard. I think it's kind of mental, right?
Starting point is 01:32:42 Like when the rest of the field is defeated, he's like, when he goes down, when he gets down, when he's going, it's tough. It's Patrick so hard. I think it's kind of mental, right? Like when the rest of the field is defeated, he's like, here's my window right here. Going its tough, it's Patrick Shazap. Mollinari T8, he is really, really, really starting to find some form. Which is good to see. Yeah, the tough scene there for a little while.
Starting point is 01:32:58 Which honestly, he was one of those guys that, like if he were just roared in the sunset, wouldn't notice. Wouldn't have been, no. I mean, he made all his money, move to call for, yeah. I would've been like, yeah, sick man, like good for be. I mean, he made all his money, moved to Cal State. I would've been like, yeah, sick man, like good for you. That was, that was fun to watch in 2018.
Starting point is 01:33:09 He moved to San Francisco. We haven't, we haven't talked about speed yet either. Oh, it's right. Did Mollinari move to San Francisco or is he a member at RIV? No, is it both. No, I think he's a San Francisco. I think he's an out, they said in the broadcast. I thought San Francisco.
Starting point is 01:33:20 But they said in the broadcast, though. But today they said he's an L.A. Oh, I thought. He's a member at RIV, they said. Oh, I thought for sure he moved to San Francisco. I did said it was the broadcast that we go, but today they said he's in LA. Yeah, it's a member of it, they said. Oh, I thought for sure he moved to San Francisco. I did too. I was in the impression as well. I thought he was playing out at Cal State.
Starting point is 01:33:31 We'll follow up on this next week. More of the story of the develops. Literally who could say. We didn't talk about that. That was massively disappointing, especially in the the Candidities on Saturday. I kind of was hoping that that would be a like as everyone's falling apart,
Starting point is 01:33:45 speaks ball-strike in the death, way too many typos. It's a pretty, yeah, exactly. But it's a process. T-15, another good week. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it is kind of insane. Well, Royal Rankings going up. That's right.
Starting point is 01:33:58 He actually got off the tee decently well this week as his iron plate kind of let him down a little bit. Which is the most inspiring thing that could possibly have happened. Yeah, he's still making stuff happen. His floor has definitely raised a lot, but yeah, that's exciting. Signed development. Will's out to our sneaky T15 as well. Yeah, played, played, played 67 today, played really well.
Starting point is 01:34:20 Can't lay a little bit of a disappointing weekend. Forgotten, man. Plus one this weekend, Saturday, Sunday. I do wanna say some things about the PGA tour live pairing today, which was like Nick Taylor, Ricky, and... Tyler Duncan. Tyler Duncan. That was only an issue for like two minutes.
Starting point is 01:34:41 And then they eventually switched over to the lake. It's like, what the fuck, man? I don't know, I just don't get it. You were tricked. DC came in with this mellow mushroom. You just triggered about that. Solid, do you wanna apologize on my house? Whatever you're gonna say, no.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Your boy, Lonto. I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, whatever you want. I miss this. No. This was such a, this was such a nothing. Just anything that gets caught on, no one of these guys don't want to wear microphones. No, no.
Starting point is 01:35:06 Anything that gets caught. Lonto was like, wait, the guy in the locker room told me, I didn't have to walk back up that hill. I have to walk back up this hill. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. This is a light exaggeration of the tone from T.C. And then Willie Wilcox was like, no, he, he,
Starting point is 01:35:21 that's his boy. Exactly. He was taking the piss. Now, just, he was taking the piss. Now, he wasn't taking the piss out of anybody. Lonto and I ride with Willie Wilcox, Willie the Wave God, any day, overtese. Lonto and Fiery tied. Not one person have I heard mentioned this except for TC.
Starting point is 01:35:36 So I know it's a complete non-story. All right, related to this. Who do you guys think hit, hit was hit in the best trick shots on the range there during, during the, yeah, so we had some, you know, reports on the ground that Ricky was just just lighting it up. Putting on a show out there laser show and then the cameras came out. I'm gonna turn it on with commercial. I can't believe this.
Starting point is 01:35:57 I think Sallie said this a number of times. But why is there not a skills competition of PJ Tore? The shot that Max hit from the tree even seeing the guys dick around on the range, it's like, man, just, just do that for another layup. Yeah, God, that would be so easy, right? Just who can hit the biggest? I don't know, whatever.
Starting point is 01:36:13 I'm not gonna try to come up with the ideas off the top of my head, but if you put some thoughts to it, I feel like that would be very fun to watch. Guys, highest score today? Yes. 78. Lower. 75. 75. Scott Pierce. Yes 78 lower 75 75
Starting point is 01:36:26 Scott Pierce you shot 75 on the weekend. You hate to see that hate that for Piers high score yesterday Sun King 83 can we turn our eyes to concession please I'm excited a lonely nation turns the size of the Consulate yeah, so you were there this week we went there a week and a half ago now, Ben and I went and shot a crash course video, which hopefully is coming out this week. UPS lost a hard drive. We're, we'll see. It's gonna be a scramble to get it together.
Starting point is 01:36:53 But I believe- Hold on, real quick. Do we need to start using FedEx? Well, if we wanna get in the weeds, so I assume we do. I went to the UPS store, which I can't speak highly enough about the Atlantic Beach UPS store. We need to start to A.J. Complete assume we do. I wonder the UPS store, which I can't speak highly enough about the Atlantic Beach UPS
Starting point is 01:37:05 store. AJ, complete, just absolute stud. Hamils has been. Professional. They outsourced it to USPS, so that's where our issue lies. So more on this story as a developer. Anyways, the golf course, I'm just saying we might not have a video on Wednesday. We're trying, but we might not.
Starting point is 01:37:21 It's only what happened. They lost, you ship the drive and then they lost it? No, I ship the drive. Oh, you ship that same drive from the construction drive? Well, no, no, it's different. We have redundancies. Oh, I thought that it would be different. It's got to be different.
Starting point is 01:37:33 It's different drives here. No, no, no, no. So the golf course, I believe I've been previously stated on this podcast that the pros are gonna hate it and that I hated it. I have to revise my take on it. I'm starting to think we should play courses more than what. Correct.
Starting point is 01:37:48 I went out and played six holes and I didn't know what was coming. It's fucking stupid. I got punched in the face so hard. Now I was mentally prepared knowing it's the hardest course in Florida and what it, you know, I knew what I was getting into was what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:38:03 And I found it very interesting and much more fair. And did you have the big left miss in play? I had all the misses in play. And we went out there and played it as far back as we were allowed and counted every shot, and I won't spoil what happens in there, but that doesn't go great. But I found it to be one of the most interesting courses
Starting point is 01:38:20 ever for like, oh, this is the perfect place for, do you wanna see how good these guys are? And like, how much like a player like me will get ejected out here and how these guys will have no problem? This is the course. Not to be confused with, this is a good golf course. No, you know, it's not, it's just crazy greens.
Starting point is 01:38:38 It's sweetens cove, it's been called it, sweetens cove on, on Bryson, basically, is what it was. That's what the Greens are like. It's big boy length with insane Greens that are sillier than Sweden's and not nearly as fun, and like more penal and- It sounds like Jack on acid. It some dudes are gonna eject,
Starting point is 01:38:56 it's Jack on HGH. Some dudes are gonna shoot a million this week. It's gonna be like the, like some of the dudes traveling with the OWGR manipulating the company. Yes, when there's Brown on the dude's travel in. Travel in. Yeah. The OWGR manipulate the company. Yes. When there's Brown in the scorecard, what can Brown do for you?
Starting point is 01:39:09 The scorecard's here to get a terminal that this time of year. It is gonna get, it's gonna be some separation in this field. I still think the lead, the winner is gonna shoot a plenty low number, but the difference, I hope it shows off on TV as to how severe some of these misses are gonna be. If the wind blows, anything could happen. Is it severe like missing it off the tee or is it just iron play from the fairway?
Starting point is 01:39:33 The fairways are wide, so guys are gonna be in the fairways, but like the slope behind 13 green, I've never seen anything like this, like par five green, it sits so perched up high. And if you go long left, you have to chip it well above your head to a tabletop. And like you are probably going off the front of the green on the other side.
Starting point is 01:39:52 Like there's nowhere to hide. You're chipping off a down slope too. And it's this, like this, this pin, I know the tour doesn't get crazy with where they put the pins, which will probably keep it from being absurd. They're gonna listen to this and not put a pin on that front half of the green.
Starting point is 01:40:06 Probably not, but like there are some spots that are so insanely penal and the birdies are still gonna be out there, but I think you're gonna see some clips of like, they're gonna do a highlight package of like look at this fall rolling off and this doing all this. Love the hell, yeah. So it's gonna be an interesting goal. It's a good tournament golf course. It's a Fienu DJ golf course.
Starting point is 01:40:25 Yeah. And it's not concession, it's the concession. The concession. Oh, this is my concession. Workday championship at the concession. You should see Jack, you know, presented by the real high estate. Maybe we should call it the concession,
Starting point is 01:40:38 not the concession. I think it's, I think it's the concession golf course. It's dropped to the, it's cleaner. Cleaner. But it is, I'm saying jack. The show's the concession golf course. It's dropped it though. It's cleaner. It is. I'm saying that with WGC Sean Parker with the Ohio State. There's a tie in there. Yeah, they should play gimme's this week. Everything's good inside 18 feet. God, I love that. 18 inches. Feast party. If you're too complaining, you might be able to win a two feet. Anything else for when this week. I'm really will. I think he's going to win at 8 feet. Anything else for me to win this week? He really will.
Starting point is 01:41:06 I think he's going to. It's just crazy to me that Tyler McCumber shoots 67, 68. He is in the front of our minds for the first 65 hours of the tournament. And then shoots 77, 74 on the weekend and finishes T-52, which is one shot, which is one spot clear of dead last of the guys that made the cut. Like that's broke off. This is hard.
Starting point is 01:41:38 That's fast. Yeah, got it. It's hard. It's all any comment on Morikawa's new putting stroke. I haven't had a chance to check it out and get to watch him as golf this week. Grinding to make the cut, which is more than we can say. We can't get out here without, I know we're going long.
Starting point is 01:41:55 Can't, what a fucking shame that the rib, Bryson and JT did not make the cut this week. That's a bummer on a golf course like that that set up for a major that is just like that. That's a bummer. On a golf course like that, that set up for a major that is just like, that sucks. The rib breaking his, his big cut streak going to, didn't he? Three letters. 20 events, P, G, L. They don't have a cut for these guys.
Starting point is 01:42:18 Well, that's true. And I mean, they deserved to miss a cut, like they sucked. Well, I'm bummed that they sucked. Not that they were like, we're kept out of the weekend. It's just, it was the bummer from those guys. I think we're, those three specifically. I think we're giving JT too much credit here too. JT finished like fourth from DFL.
Starting point is 01:42:37 It was not good. It was great for my brewery over JT beverage. So we should have got him. I'm pretty what. But you know what the most crazy part about that was? Charles Hall of Third plus nine. Hate that. I feel like he's.
Starting point is 01:42:52 He's had a tough West Coast swing this year. He has not played well. Not good, right? Yeah, that's alarming. As soon as I picked him, he started falling apart. And so I'm so excited. How many wins do Charles Hall of Third have?
Starting point is 01:43:03 Two, three, three. He's not eligible for the champion's tour guys. Oh, no. He can buy the champion's tour. Yeah, he's got like 25 career money exemptions. So I think I'm, I am positive they want us to sort of, his three wins. Three wins.
Starting point is 01:43:17 He's got to get the four. He's got to get the four. Not going to. I would like to give a shout out to the fine folks that run the gas barilla for invite to the tournament to play this past week. Absolutely world class mid-AM event from some of the best players all over the country and it's what it's the super bowl for me every so far every year. It's the second year I've played in it. It is so crazy fun to compete on a great golf course, Palma
Starting point is 01:43:39 Sia and there was so many people out there watching the finale like all the people that come out to support that, like all the people that come out to support that tournament and all the players that come in for it. It was mind-blowing. We got a lot of content to come from it. Ben, our guy was there and captured it all. And it was, I don't even have the words of scribe yet. It was insane, insane week.
Starting point is 01:43:57 Well, congratulations on a great first round. Making me cut. It was awesome to follow this weekend. Thank you. I'm overall been giving me a B-plus for my performance, and I'll take that. I think it was a lot to build on. Other content stuff, Randy and I going down
Starting point is 01:44:12 to the Gainbridge LPGA this week. I won't say specifically what we're doing, but I will say it's the most excited I've been for a video project. I think a new video project in quite some time. I'm just absolutely buzzing about it. Me and TC are recording a podcast tomorrow morning. I'm absolutely buzzing about.
Starting point is 01:44:31 Absolutely loving life. Big trap draws coming up. I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just, It's a choke points folks. I don't want to be in the, you know, the nesting doll of promotion here, but I feel like we don't talk about our own stuff enough. We got a lot of good shit coming up here.
Starting point is 01:44:42 And an hour 55 in, I think, that's not quite as much to ask. I don't know. She's been having cuts we had today. Newsletter out on Thursday. Got some merch coming out and merch this week but also just March is going to be a big month in the shop. We got a phone call. Oh my goodness.
Starting point is 01:44:59 The champ is here. Oh my gosh. Yeah, champ. Tell me about that put on 17. Oh no, no, no. That's all I got. That's all the action I do. Oh my god. Congratulations.
Starting point is 01:45:12 Max, how bad was it on 10? One to 10. You're on the podcast, by the way. Just don't say anything though. It was like a seven or eight. You thought it was like 11. Did you have more room? I don't know if it was like an 11. Did you have more room? Like I know I don't know if you saw the replay,
Starting point is 01:45:27 but did you have more room than it looked like on TV or what? Um, no. Have you ever practiced that shot before? Yeah, unfortunately I hit it in place like that far too often. Vista Valencia, right? Little Vista, who's just like number four, Tika, just like a hooded gap wedge and just pray a little bit, but it worked out. What are you doing right now?
Starting point is 01:45:50 What are you feeling? Have you had any celebration libations yet? At one by the light, Joe and I have been scrambling. We just got to play at home. So now we're waiting at an Uber lot where we dropped out his rental car to then take it over to the other airport to get picked up to go home. The life of a champion. The other airport, like which two airports are you going to LAX and Burbank probably? Yeah, well I'm actually at Burbank going to Van Ayes. Oh, are you flying private home big dog? No comment.
Starting point is 01:46:27 Hell yes. What was your true reaction after 18 going into the playoff? Because you looked unfazed by everything that happened. I kind of laughed. I did literally everything so well today. And then I just was really nervous on that part. And I just made our nervous ass throw. So, you know, I don't know. It did happen. It was embarrassing to do it in front of Tiger.
Starting point is 01:46:49 But I just had to move on. I mean, I would have taken a chance that a playoff start today. So I just tried to be positive. I don't know. It was not my finest moment, but I feel like, you know, I hit a great seven iron on 14 and a playoff to make up for it. So, I don't know. I think I still got, I still got the clutch, you know, I, I just you know, it took a it took a yes to real quick.
Starting point is 01:47:08 The shot in 18 was absurd, right? Yeah, Joe called. I wanted to get away. He's like, dude, this thing went to going one thirty one. You're just, uh, you could do it. And I was like, wow, okay. And then we hit it to three feet. And I'm like, oh, sweet. That's going to be a straight three footer. And it was like right edge. I'm like, I don't know about this one. Is it different? Not not having to worry about spinning something like that off the front when it's so firm like that and you can just go after a wedge? Yeah, it's all, you guys know,
Starting point is 01:47:33 but when it's firm back pins are like the best case scenario. Front pins are tough. So we, of course, we did have a full number to just hit some as high as we could. And it helps when the greens are like that because you know if you can just cover your front number, it's going to like bounce back, so you don't need to do a ton of work. Was that the best golf you've ever played? Stop there. I shot 63 with Sully Tron and he let thing wonder. Marshall and except the course
Starting point is 01:48:00 record. This was pretty good. I mean, so I think I had point that it's called about a bug. You're some point for all. So it was some good golf. We got it. We had a good game plan and I, uh, I don't know, I executed. Dude, I thought you were trying to land it in the, in the hole on 14 the first time around. Yeah, that was probably that was a little small. That's what on 10, give me some gratitude dots before that chip up on the green. What were we thinking about before that one? I don't know. I was thankful that I had a shot
Starting point is 01:48:31 because if I took that club back and I couldn't even hit it, then I was dead. But unfortunately, I was grateful to have a little. And I used you and my grateful speech to myself today or walking down to the range, Neil. I said, oh, I'm saying I'm also thankful to Neil and Clark and I'm watching a little golf. Watch the whole tournament.
Starting point is 01:48:50 Got my fiance on the side. Watch the whole tournament. The whole tournament. She was calling him Fony T-Now. Because of you, she was rude and gets toony, man. What a... They didn't show the trophy. By the way, if you have to go at any moment,
Starting point is 01:49:03 just hang up. No, please don't. I'm going 30 seconds. Okay, anything, any exchange with you in the cat? Oh, yeah, it was awesome. And I got like a little like five, ten minutes at the end of the, and all the media stuff is sweet. Wow. You hit a nice little hooky, flippy, whatever.
Starting point is 01:49:17 Does he call you Maxi? No, he didn't. I don't think I'm that, I'm not there yet. But I'm working on it. Maybe you can get that practice round with them now. I know I am gonna have to Oh yeah, by the way you're going back to Augusta. I forgot about that. And you're on tour for three more years. You get three years? Yeah. Hell yeah brother. Elevated status baby. I'm so vested right now. All right enjoy. Get out of here, buddy. Congratulations.
Starting point is 01:49:46 You saved me. Cheers. Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most.
Starting point is 01:50:01 Better than most. Better than most.

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