No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 407: Bay Hill Recap

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

Bryson! We chat about the content king, the lines on 6, what makes him successful on these setups, Bay Hill, Spieth, Westwood, and everything else from an eventful week. We also chat more about distance as it relates to this weekend, some coverage takes, and look ahead to Players week.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. or just now realizing that it is officially. Who's gonna have this year's defining moment? We're gonna find out, Solid here, DJ Pies here. Hey guys, how are you? Big is here, back in the studio after a couple of weeks off. I'm back and raring to go,

God, I got some takes in me tonight. Really? 30 seconds. 30 seconds ago, you're like, I got nothing tonight. Neil is here. I wish he had the, do do do do do do do do do. So I don't have a beef. I have no beef with the song, the song is fire. I mean, it's a, it's a, I wish he had the do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do was stuck in the drive and like they go through these waves of like just cannot hear it one more time and then it comes back around. That's what I was with the player song.

Like the first, they rammed it down our throats and then it came near the end. I was like, fuck yeah. I mean, well, when they go to the like the bridge with the drums, it's, it kind of slaps. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, it's slaps when they get to it. But they never let it get there. What are we doing? Come on. What are we doing? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, would back in the day, no serious sex, I don't know any of that stuff. We would just pass my brother's iPod around from person to person,

and my mom would pick a song, and my dad would pick a song, my brothers. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Every time it was my turn, I would pick, I don't even like to song that much. I would just pick tonight tonight by this bunch of buckets. And there was enough people in my family

that every time it came back around, four other songs that had been kind of 12, 15 minutes. Like, well, he's not going to pay that. And that if you picture the intro of that song, it's just so like, try up it. Anyway, well, we will, we know how to start the show immediately after a big win. Oh my God, Callaway, Draft Kings, Rapsoto, Charles Schwab,

King May jerky, Pro- pro-black-div, PGN native radio station. Original Penguin, Angie Subs here in Jack's Beach, Delhi, Combe, Bold Bean, we've been going to a lot. Just all the people who have made this week possible. Instrumental, instrumental in our success. But most importantly, it is new equipment launch season that means that it is good.

New equipment testing season. We got a bunch of new sticks. We've been putting through, you know, the testing process here. Neal's got, you know, a new set of irons, which we'll talk about in the future, but also he's been our pilot tester for Calaway's newest ChromeSoft introduction.

The ChromeSoft XLS, the LS ball, is the addition to the regular ChromeSoft and the crum soft X. It's generally meant for players with high swing speed, high head speed and lots of spin. It gives those, the LS gives those players a little more distance off the tee while knocking down the spin on the mid-iron, it's helping to avoid that balloon ball and maybe even some big right spinning misses. Therefore, maintaining more consistent distance. Mark Leachman's also in the testing panel there with you. Mark noted that the LS ball felt heavier in the wind with regards to how it cut through

it and how he could easily flight shots. What have you thought of the LS ball? I'm deep in the testing phase. I will say this, it's nice to be a little bit more methodical where you fill up the bag with only a certain type of ball. I really like the Chrome Soft X. I'm kind of getting used to the grab and spin around the greens. So the LS kind of has the same feel off the tee,

but then it's more like your Chrome Soft feel around the greens. So you hit it and I think if I get used to it, just stopping or rolling out a little bit more, there's not like the zip on it. It was an interesting testing process. I'll say two for Neil the other day because he ran out of these. So he was bar and balls for me. So he was able to see how long it was different than the other.

I'm working on a few things to be honest, but that's not the balls fault. But I would just say I wouldn't say that it's it's not a full change yet, right? Yeah, I'm testing. We're testing. So, but I would say I would encourage people to test. It's kind of fun because I used to just be like, hey, grab whatever's in the bag, but if you go into the round with the same sleeve, it's kind of fun because I used to just be like, hey, grab whatever's in the bag, but if you go into the round with the same sleeve, it's kind of, imagine that, it's kind of interesting. Thank you, Neil, you're like our own chunky egg. I'm always the penguin on the end of the cliff. That, you know, everybody's pushing around,

the penguin's always pushing each other and then I get pushed in the ocean and see lion eats me. You can of course find out more. The testing, the penguins are testing. Oh, I see, okay. You can find out more of the Crombsoft, XLS, and the rest of the Crombsoft offerings at calaguff.com slash Crombsoft.

Bryson time. It's finally time. Darcy Rosseter asked, is Bryson becoming likable asking for a friend? Oh, that's a big question. Depends on how you define likable. It's like a roar shark test, either. Guys, I just, no. Iends on how you define likable. It's like a roar shark test either. Guys, I'm just, no.

I'll just say, I absolutely not. Like I just struggle to root for him. Is it, you know, or there's certain, I can't look away moments, yes, but it's not because I'm like, oh, I can't, I hope he makes this. He's not pulling any joy out of me, man. I think this is gonna be a theme throughout this podcast,

but I'm excited that my stance on both this, a lot of me, man. I think this is going to be a theme throughout this podcast, but I'm excited that my stance on both this, a lot of the distance stuff, uh, Oh, the distance thing all changed this week. Right. Everybody ripped up. They ripped up the, uh, the distance report after seeing how much fun everybody was having. A number, it was like the end of the goonies where the, the guy rips up the paper, just throws up into the air, everybody cheers.

Uh, no, it's the same thing we've been saying for a year. Like he's colossally unlikeable, but it's so fun to watch. Like I had a great time watching him. I just don't root for him, you know? It's, I think it's kind of as simple as that. I can see how he might be likable to certain people though. And this is gonna make me sound really snotty.

But if you are the type of person that finds Bryson like well chances are you and I Are gonna get along that well But I can see it but I'm with you. He's you know if you are really entertaining for if you root for entertainment Like I don't root against Bryson and golf like I like it when he wins Yeah, I find myself entertained. I do not root against him. Is he likable? Absolutely not. To maybe you're in for Westwood today, right? I was too, but I'm saying,

me seeing Bryson up on the leaderboard is very different than Bubba in his, when he was prime, ready to be hated, I legitimately hated when he was at the top of the leaderboard. I don't dislike watching Reed either. His playing style is unique and entertaining as well. So there's a difference between hateable and not likable. I don't I don't think Reed would like hearing this but I do think that that's a good comp. Yeah I feel very

similarly. All right I have a question for each of you. That last putt on 18. After he remarked the ball and he's getting a little bit of heat from the crowd which was sick. Did you want to make it? I wanted him not to because I wanted to figure out what the hell they're gonna for playoff. Yeah I was dark. Much darker than cameras made it look. No I wanted him not to, because I wanted him to figure out what the hell they were gonna do for a playoff. Yeah, I was dark. Much darker than the cameras made it look. No, I think that's a good, if five footer to win, you think, I was, we'll get into this

and we need to start with Bryson for good reason, but I was riding so hard for Westwood. That was awesome that he stood up, made the putt on 18, that was the one that 95% of viewers thought he was gonna miss and he made it. Just an awesome week for him. So I was, of course, rooting for him to miss and it to go into the playoffs.

I was 100% rooting for him to make it, but we know what. We get the point. To play off this podcast out of the way. Okay, maybe that was a bad example. What were you rooting for? To miss it, because I want to honestly, the boss, also his reaction. His reaction, that's the entertainment for me, is the way he acts when the chaos. Also his reaction. What's his reaction?

His reaction, that's the entertainment for me, is the way he acts when it doesn't go his way. The way, you know, worse bunkers on tour. I mean, the stuff he digs for, to like, you know, to blame whatever's going wrong. Like it's cool to, honestly, was thrilled to see him have the big right miss and play off the first tee.

I was like, wow, that is, that is Mondo right. Before we get, you know, we've said a lot about how unlikable he was. He played so fucking solid today. Like after the, after the couple big right misses on the front, I mean, it was playing really hard and other than a bad, you know, kind of an unlucky break on 16 where that ball ended up in that bunker, which if it doesn't, and there's bunkers on tour, he surely makes, you know, birdie probably at worst.

I mean, just what finished with 12 stray parts on a really hard day, kept it in front of him. And I mean, I think we saw on 15 was kind of the crux of the distance stuff with Bryson, right? I mean, that was like every single player in the field is just seemingly missing the fairway there, shopping something into one of those bunkers, just hitting the long, mid to long iron in there and Bryson steps up and has a wedge.

You know, he takes an ignorant line, has it in that nasty thick rough, some of the thickest rough on the golf course. Of course. The whole entire. And has a wedge and has the speed to get through it, hits to the middle of green, comfy ass to put. I mean, that, that to me kind of summed up the whole like, yeah, no wonder this thing works, man.

My wife is a extremely casual golf watcher. We'll sit and watch the golf man on Sunday, saying almost nothing most of the time. And when Bryson made the putt and celebrated, she's one, started laughing, which is like, that's a million, the millionth reason why I love you. And two, as soon as the sponsor stuff started coming, she was literally hands over her eyes, like, oh my God, I can't watch, I can't watch. It was so awkward. It's very creative. Honestly, Karsten had a similar reaction

and she was like, what's his Instagram? I wanna check him out. I'll say, oh, let's check it out. Let's get in there, Kings and Leon baby. Not it. I know we just talked about it at Nazim. Not enough is made about the quarantine video. Oh, we should have started with,

we should start with the hat too. We've got to start every show with the damn hat. You need to bump it. You need to bump the quarantine bus. I mean, yeah, I'm sure. I assume everybody else is like me and has watched it 400 times. It's unbelievable.

The 15 minute, like this is where I can't square a lot of the Mr. Palmer just taught us to be better people. It's like you made a fucking 15 minute like masturbation video about you cleaning your pool, dude. Get out of here. Stop, you can't, this is not, this does not compute. I would still argue that of all the video stuff we've made or the DJ's made, that your finest work is something that you had to take down

due to PGA tour rights. And my Twitter accounts suspended of, uh, Bryson as the 19, within 1940s, oh, the boys are Bob and Berlin. And, and it's in black. And what I, I wish we could get that to the people somehow. It is so good.

It was, it was, it looked like the tweet was something a lot of lots like a fundraiser was so war bonds. Yes. It goes around the country in bombs. Bryson, Bob it again in the colonial on the bullies bomber, Lynn. If I ever feel really cheeky, I'm just gonna fire it out again.

Just to see if they'll take. Spend me again. That's truly the basement tapes. It's the best video ever. If I ever feel like new in my Twitter, I'll just, I'll do that. Get suspended and then just never come back. So we have to talk about a way to go out.

For all the awkward moments, Bryson's had the swaggiest, maybe the swaggiest move I've ever seen on a golf course. And that's, that's saying a lot on the weekend at Bay Hill, 330-something carry over water twice, hitting it, cutting the dog leg to a point where no one has ever hit a golf ball in a tournament. It was the, just the biggest balls out. Like, here I am, I'm doing this in the lead on Sunday, did it for the people

that were trying to downplay that accomplishment, like just get all the way to the side. I get out of my way completely. I want to do it. It was unbelievable. I will add this though. I still had to flash some wedge game. Did he put himself in two horrible spots? Yeah. That's what I'm doing. Like, was it awesome to see? But he had to flash around the greens. Like, he hit two chips, both days it was like, man, that was honestly just as impressive. Why not just as impressive, but.

And one very simple thing we probably should clear up is like, did he put himself in a horrible spot both Saturday and Sunday? Like, everybody was shitting on him. Like, you can eat him in the green on Saturday. Like, dude, he could not have gone at that pin from where he was, but the upside of where he could have been, hitting, having 70 yards into a part five, of course, he's going to do that

a hundred times out of a hundred. Right? I mean, it's not a guarantee that he's going to do that because it really was a max effort, max compression impact to carry that. That is not a no brain. Even if somebody hits it as far as he does, in a tournament, it is not a no brain. Even if somebody hits it as far as he does, in a tournament, it is not a no brainer to hit that shot. No, of course.

It's essentially an OB ball. If he doesn't carry it, he's reteeing as we saw with Rory a couple of times then. He didn't, truly there will be no more mega sevens. That was the mega sevens. That was incredible. To end all mega sevens from Rory today. Yeah, I had the, I had an ejection tweet dialed and I was like,

I'm gonna wait. It's people all in the world. And he did eject technically, but I was like, you know, respect the mega seven. Eagle on the third ball. That's some aspiration. His club twirl on the sixth shot. So good.

I know that one. I know that one. Oh, here we go. Found it. There's a lot of Twitter's I don't like. The T-shot is no longer impressive because the second shot wasn't great Twitter. Yeah, it's not.

Is maybe one of my least favorites. No, you made poor! It can't be overstated how impressive it was to do that while you're leading the golf tournament. While everybody, the video that stuck with me more than anything, I retweeted, I'm sure other people saw it, was the just uncut fan, it was like two minutes of, of, is a fan video of Bryson getting to the tea.

Walking up to the tea, everybody egging him on, everybody shouting stuff at him while he's looking at his book. And then he steps up and actually like hits the shot. I mean, it was, it's, it's jarring to see the whole uncut thing. It was crazy impressive. It's gotta be the most, like that has to be the happiest or the best he's felt on a golf course.

It was very arrestive development. That would be the happiest moment of George Michael's life. I mean, how does it get better for him? How does the whole experiment get any better for him? And it was kind of the opposite of most of the T-balls. He kind of turns, both days, he kind of turned it over and he had a right miss going everywhere else. So it's surprising that on that T-Ball,

the full commitment is what I'm saying. So honestly, yes, kudos to that. It was awesome. I wonder, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, but I wonder if that shot is one where he, if he leaks it, like crazy, does it get safer and safer for the right of cuts? Or is there, is it?

And he clears the water by 20 yards both days. It felt like. That's the thing though, it does not. It actually gets a little longer to the right. Yeah, so it is a, so it is a, there's no in between. That's the thing with that shot.

It is, like the line Rory hit it on today is the in between spot. And it's like one of the deepest carries of the whole ballpark. That's the center field ball. Yes. That's exactly right. Scott, Mark Brody had tweeted that he had gained point nine shots with that T-shot. But now I'm pulling it up.

It says 0.52 with his T-shot in round four and 0.64 with his T-shot in round three. So, does he get adjusted if he hit it in bunkers? Is it all based on distance from the pin? It does. It does give adjusted if you're it in bunkers, or is it all based on distance from the pin? It does, it does get adjusted if you're in rough or bunkers or whatnot. So how did, I don't know if anybody did the projection, but could he have hit the green with either those shots on Saturday or Sunday?

Would the carry have made it if he had gone, you know? Yes, yeah, the math would have worked. Would have worked, but you don't know with the wins. The models are not the math. The models are, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spit it out. Let me tell you, math is undefeated. It would have, but there's just no where to miss left. If you do that, like that's that's part of the deal. You can kind of bail it right a little bit, but there's just there's not enough reason to go at the at the game. It is truly, I mean, he's going to hit that one

in eight times, like on land. If you go with the green, whereas I think you'll hit it three out of five times. If you go on the line, whereas I think you'll hit it three out of five times if you go on the line that he went on. So a couple of numbers from that drive today for any of the trackman people. Club head speed 135, 136, ball speed 196, smash factor 1.45, horizontal launch angle minus 26 degrees, launch spin 1900, I just love this stuff.

Apex 116, flight time seven and a half seconds. Give me a spin rate. Distance to impact, which I assume is 300. The carry is 342. Carry efficiency 90.8%. I don't totally know what that means, but. Total distance efficiency, 99.8%. That's pretty good.

They can have that? Yeah, it's almost a hundred. And Lee Westwood was 116 miles an hour, which Paul Azinger said was 29 miles an hour less. I was going to say shout out to Azinger for math. I'll put my hand up on that as soon as I saw it, it's so between you that I was like, well, I don't see what the problem is.

Oh, right. Oh, it's nice. I'm not going to harp on anybody who's trying to do math in real time. As a man who has issues with typos, I'm also, you know, we's trying to do math in real time. As a man who has issues with typos, I'm also, you know, we're kind of a... Birds of a feather. Exactly.

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Gamling Problem called 1-800 Gambler or an Indiana 1-109 with it. There was a slight. No, no breath. No breath. Like your foot was on the line. You dragged the toe, but your foot was dead on the line. It was good. I appreciate the effort.

No breath. That counted. Deeks 23. He's asking requesting a maya culpa for cherry picking when distance is cool. Do you want to apologize? Not for this. I will apologize later in the show if you'd like me to. Sure. Not for cherry picking distance. I wait if you guys take it not a pool. I'm not not apologizing for that though. I wait if you guys come back so I

could apologize in person because I bet it's very cool. That's very cool. Yeah. So what's the premise? What's Deeks saying? But we we praise distance times, and then at other times we say it's bad. Yes. Apparently, a lot of people are very confused as to how you could be entertained by what Bryson is doing and still be pro rollback of technology and golf. Here's what I would say. This is a very complicated issue. A lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what have you.

Right. Many different ways we can go with this. When they show the scatter chart and they say everybody else hit it here, but Bryson hit it here. That's all so relative that has nothing to do with how far the ball is going. It has to do with how far Bryson's ball is going in relation to everybody else.

So rolling back the ball, you like, it all stays the same. He'd still be hitting it. He would still be hitting it just as far as those guys. He would still be hitting it just as far as those guys. Just as far as those guys. Relative to everybody else. And that would be something that I'd be like, wow, that's super interesting, especially if he was doing it with a driver that was, you know, I'm in no way, I'm saying it's

not impressive what he's doing. But I think what we've constantly been saying is when the drivers are as big and as forgiving and That some of that goes for the golf ball too as they are it's a lot easier to swing it at 700 miles an hour and and feel like you're gonna be able to keep it on the planet because some of those balls that you know Where he's up against the fence on a couple of these shots where he's he's walking through Entrances and and back through entrances and somehow not OB on Saturday, like, yeah, maybe those some of those balls don't stay on the planet

and that makes everything a lot different. And so that's where I would say the different slides. What am I missing there? I mean, that's like element one of 10,000 elements of this discussion, right? And it's, we're so early in this. But I guess I was a little frustrated with, you know, like, of course, it's freaking entertaining to watch what Bryson just did.

And that's where we need to start, right? It's like, yeah, that was awesome. Of course, that was real. I got a massive thrill. I've been to that hole on Bay Hill. I can picture exactly what he's doing. I can picture where everybody else is hitting. I can picture why that's so interesting to watch, and it was awesome.

However, having said all that, like, that doesn't mean, you know, suddenly there's more land to keep expanding golf courses and more water to maintain golf courses and, you know, all kinds of other things that go into this distance debate is not just like, well, it's fucking fun to watch. Bryson hit it. This is so good for golf. It's like, ah, it's so relative to one hyper-specific hole. That's one of the PJs.

That's where I was at. The whole thing is worth, all of the driver wedge stuff we watch week to week is offset, all offset by these two shots that he hit on number six. Yeah, I don't think it's quite all the way there. There can be some entertainment with this, but overall, do I think it is the right way, like the path that should keep getting exacerbated?

And why do people want to always ignore that there are rules and regulations on the ball? So I think a lot of people will be better off just arguing, let's take a rid of all the regulations. Let's let them hit it, 450. Like why would we stop at this point? Now you stumbled upon a new territory that I'm sketching out this weekend,

which is reverse bifurcation, where I think we should roll back everybody except the pros, and unleash the pros to hit it, like you said, 500 yards. I know you're joking, but that thought honestly crossed my mind this week, where it's like, dude, if everybody's saying, like, this is so entertaining, this is unbelievable. Why don't they just, why doesn't everybody just lean

into this? It's like, that's cool, but that's kind of like a different sport. Like, we're talking about a totally different thing here, not to be like, you know, big old curmudgeon guy, but, you know, it's a little different. It's, I don't know. I was kind of gonna say some of that for our, I think we're getting ready to do another commissioner

for a day podcast and one idea I was thinking everybody should have one of those little, you know, you go to the old course during the winter and everybody has to carry around the little square to hit off the mat, the little turf mat to hit off of. They should just do that in the PJ tour. People don't want to hit out of divots. They don't want to play, you know, the game that the way it's supposed to be played, like let's just fucking mate. Let's just tear it.

Now we're getting off the off clip into their belt. Exactly. Yeah. No, to me, it's all microvers macro, right? I was gonna say, I remember in 1998, as it just a weed lad, I went and watched batting practice, Mark McGuire, and Cincinnati. Just sockin' dingers. Just handy, you're going where I'm going.

I love it. Hit in the base for there. To parts of synergy field at that time that I didn't know people could hit it there. Like, was that cool? Hell yeah, that was cool. I had a blast and I got caught up in it and it was awesome. And then, you know, you go on that path for however many years

and the, you know, what it does to the game. Something does it smell right here. Yeah, and then, you know, then you start peeling back some layers of the onion. And so it's just like, come on, I think we can't let this one incident, like you said, one whole one week, uh, detract from the macro issue at hand. God, my strap brother. Same wavelength.

I was, I was thinking the same thing. It's, it was, it is 100% entertaining. I was thinking Maguire, so it's a 98. I was so into the same thing. It is 100% entertaining. I was thinking Maguire Soesah 98. I was so into that whole thing. But then when Luis Gonzales starts hitting 50 plus dingers and it's because he's got an open batting stance and like wait a second. And so what I'm thinking is like,

what happens when, Steve Finnelly, it's not now, it's five years from now. Like, let's go check on the young bucks. They're like, oh my God. So if like five or six or seven or 10 guys are doing that same thing, like the, the veneer comes off.

It's not as, it's not as interesting. It's not unique. And then it's like, well, now crap. Like that's the strategy of the whole. And if you can't keep up, then you just, you know, might as well not play. Sorry. Yeah.

The relative advantage disappears, which goes well. Exactly. Yeah. So I, and, which goes with. Exactly, yeah. So, and that's what I worry about is like the, you know, it's the long term a little bit. Couple things on that. One, the feeling of what you guys are talking about, I'm with you there, but it's worth noting that we're talking about a steroid difference

versus equipment, right? And like the steroid goes into the athleticism of the players and the strength that they build up granted it was in sure illegal ways they did it, but that's different, right? So Bryson has done that. He has, we don't know about steroids, but we, he has bulked up. It's a tour test. Is it tour testing? Do you know? While they're not testing. Athletically, he has built up and done this. The analogy there would real quick on that. If we gave MLB players aluminum bats and they

25 years into that experiment they started hitting absolute bombs and everyone was hitting it on the ballpark that would be like we'd be having the discussion around equipment related to I mean even to that point Jose Konseko right love him or low them. I think he tweeted this weekend I don't know appropriate like apropos of what that mark required corked his bat before every game and say me So it got caught during a game corking his bat No, he was just trying to show off for a batting practice Come on, so you had some of the equipment stuff too, I guess is my point with that. Yes, that's like that was cheating

This is different this I'm saying of like we're talking about equipment and a lot of people want to do like make this argument of The guys are just better athletes now. You don't get it. They're better athletes And I have now come full circle on this to wanna be like, you know what? You are making the case better for the role, like a role back here. Because they're great athletes. Why they all use the modern equipment then?

Why is no one, not one, not one player in professional golf using like, persimmon or antiqu- or a ballad of ball? Do you wanna know why? Because the equipment's clearly in advantage. And if they're such great athletes, the greatest athletes that you're saying, go do what that stuff then, why wouldn't they?

The equipment doesn't matter within this equation, right? I hear you loud and clear on cheating versus just equipment, like technological advances. But I guess where I see the similarity with baseball in 1998 is just changing the game, right? Like baseball becoming home runs or strikeouts, right? It just, you know, you talk to somebody

and I'm not a huge baseball fan. So I'm probably waiting in a territory with well actually people. We'll keep you in the toilet. But it's like, it's changing the strategy of the game in a way that like if one guy's doing it, yeah, it's unique and it's an outlier and it's fun to watch. But if 15 guys are doing it in three years, it doing it, yeah, it's unique and it's an outlier and it's fun to watch.

But if 15 guys are doing it in three years, it's like man, that's like, it'll get old. It won't be the jolliness that we had today. It'll be like, oh God, now they got a length in that hole. Like what, you know, that's not unique anymore. So anyway. It's shifting the emphasis on skills. What this is.

And our argument is, at least my argument on this is it is, the driving skill, the driving distance skill is getting overemphasized and it's going to continue trending that way without any adjustments to equipment. So two things. One, I, Bryson shouldn't feel like he should be blameless in this, I think. 100%. I want to make very clear that like he is put in a ton of work and Real quick what I was gonna say is you know we joke about the steroids stuff, but if somehow if Five years from now, Bryce it turns into you know Louise Gonzalez that screenshot it Bay Hills

Gonna be a tough look, but that's the awesome. That's gonna be that's a severed thing But that at that time castle what I forget if I rambled about this on the podcast last time I was honored if this was a thing I was talking about, privately, but the, if you go back and read, I think it was 2002, right? The joint statement of principles from the USGA. If you go back and read that, basically what they had said in 2002, shout out to Zinger 19 years ago,

was basically what we are saying, bold face, basically all caps. The ball should not go any farther. And then they follow that up with saying, we don't care if it's because of equipment, we don't care if it's because players are more athletic, we don't care if it's because of agronomy, all the reasons that people throw out now for why it goes farther. They just say, we just don't think it's good for golf if this goes any farther. Since then average driving distance on tour, I don't have in front of me that's gone up what? 600 yards per player. That's about right. And I think what gets frustrating in this argument is hearing that, hearing the governing

body saying almost two decades ago, all right, no more enough is enough and something needs to be done. And then just everybody else following that up with like, yeah, yeah, but you don't understand their better athletes. It's like, you don't understand. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's still going too far. And that's what I think is the massive disconnect here is this whole obfuscation of everybody trying to figure out the why rather than just like the what which is yo he just almost he could have driven the fucking par five this week like the balls going a lot farther it doesn't matter why uh and I think to your point it's like and he done you know what compact the system which is like sure hey man

that's good job but to your point it's like you know what's probably not gonna happen is just like a correction where it starts to go a little shorter next year. I want, it's probably just going to keep going like this. Slight digression, I saw a stat of how last year Bryce and Lodetour, I think it was like 3.23 like leader and driving distance. Hank Keeney was second on that list and I think 2003 with like, I think he was 303

but like shout out to Hank Keeney, like what a menace. That's the story. I think there's some demons in there. A little digression there, but I just, that kind of blew me away. I thought I was gonna be like, you know, the whole Keeney family honestly. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on there.

For sure, but that was surprising to me. Thank you. Cool man. Okay. Well, but think about that for a second. That's what night, 18 years ago. Yeah. So then for,

Well, these guys are just better athletes, do you know? Yeah, but the people just move, like you would think it would be like, you know, when they show you the hottest temperature on earth is like every year, like it just goes up and up and up. You would think that with the driving distance, it would be the same kind of thing, right? You would think, and that climate change conversation

has been so black and white and easy to understand. So it's wild that this hasn't been the same thing. Well, listen, thanks for coming to my TED Talk, everyone. We are at minimum, we're getting there. We're maybe 400 and 8 more podcasts away from finally getting this thing nailed down. And really solving the discussion. I do think it's interesting to keep talking about,

even though I'm sure some people are getting sick of it, because every time on Twitter, every time you tweet anything about distance, you get whether it's the data boys, whether it's just random accounts coming at you about, like, you don't get it, this is fun to watch. It's like, you know what? I've actually thought about it a lot for a really long time.

But the more you talk to people about that stuff, is fun to watch. It's like, you know what? I've actually thought about it a lot for a really long time. But the more you talk to people about that stuff, it is a big complex issue that not everybody is thinking about quite as much as we are. So it's worth continuing talking about it, I think. And if I have to be honest, this week felt a little bit like the genie escaping the bottle, where the tour obviously, you know, making memes and seeing the excitement on ground level with Bryson. It's gonna get outrageous.

Good luck, good luck trying to put for sure. Put that toothpaste back in the tube. Oh, I know it. We're sure there's gonna have no appetite to roll ball in my opinion, which is unfortunate. Well, yeah, but now we get into like USGA versus PGA tour and whose decision it is and whether the PGA Tour is going to go along with it.

And again, I would encourage everybody to go back and read the 2002 statement of principles where, you know, it's solid pointed out a couple weeks ago where, you know, the USGA basically said, okay, PGA Tour, you have, or this was in the recent distance report. They included this statement from the tour that basically said they were going to support the USGA in this. Yeah, we're going to do this, we're going to do this this, we're gonna do this, much of which hasn't been done. And yeah, listen man, this is what we keep saying. It's like, there's gonna be a massive seismic shift coming.

It seems like, and what that looks like is to quote Bigger Andy, like I don't know what it's gonna be, but I'm excited to find out. Which to your point in the previous regime of the PGA tour, the USDA began, through it out, began the discussions, saying like, hey, we're, you know, here's what we're looking at to do in, like what'd you guys support this?

And the previous regime's message from the PGA tour of the USGA was absolutely not. So I don't know if the current regime feels the same way, or, you know, but. Well, why make tough decisions about the long-term future of your sport when it's so easy? Just like do nothing. I think I was thinking the exact same thing today as all the Bryson stuff is going down

is, I mean, it's going to be a true like short term view, cash this bitch in as fast as we can, just Bryson's on the tee, everybody get to the TV, tweet the memes, tweet the gifs, oh my god, Bryson Bryson's on the tee, everybody get to the TV, tweet the memes, tweet the gifs, oh my god, Bryson, Bryson, Bryson. And yeah, I think everybody's gonna wake up in five years and be like, oh fuck, there's like 30 Brysons. Now what do we do? Now, oh my gosh, now we have to wait for every green to clear on the PJ tour and rounds are gonna take

five and a half hours and we can't finish cause of daylight, now we gotta cut field sizes and now people can't get into events and now we're losing playing opportunities. Yeah, it's a big fucking mess, man. Waiting to happen. I don't want to be Doomsday guy, but it's gonna be interesting.

It's gonna be a changing man. You just don't want to get on board. This is good for the game. Tell me about the golf course closure rate versus open rate in the world right now. Tell me how that counts looking. So I was talking to somebody else about this was on Twitter today is like, I think what gets tough about this is there's so many, I don't get like, we're just at such an impasse

here like a diverging road where we're trying to make golf courses for both for two wildly different games, right? And the professional golf game and the recreational golf game are just two different things. And I don't know how you keep building courses and tricking people into paying $500 to go play them when they're not even the same sport that you're playing. You know what I'm saying?

And it doesn't work to just like, we'll just build professional courses then. And that doesn't, there's not a thing. Who's playing them the other 360 days a year? That's not how it's gonna work. There's other layers of professional golf. There's golf courses that professionals need to play and practice at.

There's mini tour events. There's corn fairy events. PGA Tour Latino America events. There's European tour events. There's challenge tour events. There's not, I can't just say, we'll just build 50 golf courses. That's when we'll play all the tour events. That is not, first of all of answers, not can't just say like, oh, we'll just build 50 golf courses and that's where we'll play all the Torre of answers.

Like that is not, first of all, one, you can't do that. And two, that's not where pro golf is played. It's played in so many different places. And I excluded LPJ from that because it's a different discussion for the ladies game. It's not nearly the issue that it is for the men's game. It clearly is trending, trending, trending this way. And I think the reason I bring that up

is like someone throughout concession last week was an awesome test for the PGA Tour, trending this way. And I think the reason I bring that up is, like someone throughout concession last week was an awesome test for the PJ tour, right? Sure. It was right on the edge. You had to hit really great iron shots, otherwise you were massively punished. Like, good luck building a bunch of those that, you know, where everybody comes out and shoots 120.

Like that's just gush. And I don't know, I guess people could throw, you know, the saw grasses and key was and places like that. And they're massively full T-sheets to pay $500 around to go play them in my face. But yeah, it just seems like there's a max for that, that number of golf courses. With the, with the concession comparison, it's interesting to watch a guy like Colomor Cal when short grass around the greens rewards the approach and then You had a tweet today. I saw it about

Just the thick rough doesn't do anything to Bryson. No, it gives him advantage. I know it's it's unbelievable Like that that is the that's the unlock there It's just like blast it down there and his wedge is the same sizes as a six iron and he's just gonna generate the speed And it's no big deal and that's where the athletic stuff I think is is actually like a super interesting point and what he's just gonna generate the speed and it's no big deal. And that's where the athletic stuff, I think, is actually like a super interesting point. And what he's done to be the guy that has single-length irons that launches iron, like that deserves credit. Like that is Bryson tweaking and experimenting and doing so much stuff that I want to go out of my way

to give him credit for doing and mastering and getting, but like that stuff that, and not just gonna come, but it's not good for the game. Like it's not. No, that stuff is good for the game. Like it's not. No, that stuff is fine for the game, I think. A player that is gonna look at the rules, the way they are, and say, here's how I'm going to,

you know, get everything to mathematically work in my favor, right? I'm gonna do this, this, this, this, this, this. I'm gonna build this swing base that is gonna allow me to add 20 miles an hour of swing speed whenever I want to in a year, in basically a year, which is insane. And I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to worry. I have these single-length irons.

I can pump the ball out of the rough with a wedge that is the length of a six iron that's going to have speed. It's going to go straight up in the air. I can stop it on the green. Well, everyone else is 20 yards behind me in this rough, trying to hack an eight iron. They're not going to be able to hold the green. I am. And that's my playing style.

Huh? Like, weigh in on Bryson doing that. And he deserves all that credit. I think it is, it always, it just goes all the way to the top of like, maybe the rules should be different. That's where I'm at. Like, that's where I've been for a long time. It's okay to pursue distance.

It's like, I'm pursuing distance right now. This is the way the rules are. The way the equipment's set up right now, it pays to hit it long and go find it and figure it out from there. Maybe that should be different. That's what we're saying. Yeah.

And that's the comparison I'm making with the concession is that it's hard to, if you're a casual fan, short grass doesn't look scary. But then the more you pull back the onion, it's like, man, that's so much more interesting or like that's so much more challenging for these guys. In fact, is the joy to the courses out there

are gonna fit Bryson's long, rough, kinda hack it out strategy. Especially when a lot of the messaging is just like, you know, we need to punish these bombers man, just grow the ruffles. Yeah, exactly. It's like, no, that's the wrong, that's not the solution.

It's not the solution. No, you're playing right into their hands. You're falling into the trap. And not only that, there's a lot of data to show that that is the case. A comparison I want to make there, you talk about concession. I think concession is, I say it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but almost so bad it's good. Like so bad for the amateur player.

Yeah. It ends up being good for the professional player. Well, that was my point. But which, so the Venn diagram is two totally separate circles. We're somewhere like Memorial Park for the professional player. Well, that was my point. But, so the Venn diagram is two totally separate circles, where it's somewhere like Memorial Park for the Houston Open. They have 60,000 rounds a year. They have a lot of short grass around the greens.

They had, I didn't get to watch a lot of that last year. From what I saw, I was like, whoa, that course sticks out as a course that is very playable on repeat for a lot of players, yet for the pros, the little intricacies around these greens are really interesting and where they can put four pins over the course of four days. That's going to be a great professional tournament yet. Come Monday when guys go back out there. This place is where golf should be played. So there's two different kinds of you can have a course be so challenging to pros that it's not playable for amateurs

and the opposite of like mounds around greens, short grass around greens, balls that run away, you know, some light of rough that you know, doesn't really, you know, it doesn't affect the way the pros are gonna play the whole that much. That is where I think the sweet spot is, but it's really, really, really hard to get right. And I think the reason I brought up the concession

and how all this relates to recreational golf and Amateur golf and all that stuff too, is I feel like so many golf courses and so many just casual people sitting on the couch take all their cues from professional golf, right? And I think this is kind of the augustification of cable TV or not cable color TV starting and like this shift to, you know,

if every blade of grass isn't perfect, then that's a shit golf course. And then that changes course rankings. And that changes how people view their own home course and all this stuff. And I think my issue here with a lot of the calls for, you know, we need more trees. We need more, you know, we need thicker rough.

We need all that stuff. It's going to stop the pros. That stuff just like trickles down and into recreational golf as well. I hate you bringing trees up to it though. Well, okay. Let's just, we'll stick with rough. How about that?

That's, I can join you there. Oh, Bryson's hitting it so far, we need to grow the rough up. And it just, there is such a delusion of how, which golf courses are going to host, which events? I mean, all of us have played at events or played at golf courses where you go talk to the members, you go talk to whomever and they're just, you know, I think we change a couple pins, we cut down a couple trees. I think we, I think we host the US Open Out here. It's like, I don't think you're going to, but they're going to take all their cues from what the professional game is doing. And I mean, we've seen that at a bunch of courses.

And so I think all this stuff just, it all is related. at a bunch of courses. And so I think all this stuff just, it all is related. The, I know you can't see my hands, but the, you know, the professional game is going, skyrocketing as far as some of these skill sets are going, the recreational game is staying pretty much the same. So I don't know how you keep playing those two things on a venue that doesn't change, right? And save the, or on the same venue, I should say. Save the golf is thriving, throwing that in our face because like, there might be a pandemic that kind of changed the golf landscape a little bit.

And where was that data? How was that data looking before this happened? And maybe everyone sticks around this game, you know, that's been, you know, that all everyone that was added to it in the last year and all that stuff. Do I think it's because drivers go insanely hot far at the pro level? Absolutely not.

I don't think that is contributing to it. So safe says a lot of different. I know, you know what? Here's a, here's a good question. Neal, I know you said it on the pod a couple of weeks ago when you watch Riviera, it makes you want to go play golf. Yes. Did you want to go play golf today after watching Bryson? No.

I didn't. I mean, it's a different sport. I will say this though, I have enjoyed watching Bay Hill two years in a row because it average score to those like 75. I like watching these guys struggle. So, Kudos to the course for, you know, the challenge, I guess, but it's, I think 18th sweet.

Yeah, I think 15 and 17 stink. And 16th time, whatever. So bad, it's good. Like, it's not a good, I wouldn't say it's a good. I think it was interesting. It was interesting to watch them have to, I know it's not, you know, kind of strategic, but it was interesting to have to see Westwood and Bryson both have to hit two good shots and make a pot in the background.

But so just tying a bow on Bryson. I have two things. The first one is serious, one is just kind of joke. How do you think you play as the players? Do you think that sets up for when we're talking about long rough or do you think that TPC is more of a the concession type course or is it more of what we just saw this week at Bay Hill? I wouldn't if I was picking courses wouldn't compare to either of them, but if I had to pick between the two more concession because there's not a lot of rough at TPC, especially the rye overseas stuff is super easy to

hit out of. A lot different than the gnarly, tagly, bermuda in the summer. There's a decent amount of pine straw around the golf course and stuff, but it's not a course that rewards distance very much. So, it doesn't, it's not a disadvantage in any way, but it's a more level playing field at somewhere like TPC. I'm more like, I always jumping off the page for me at this one? I mean, this would make a ton of sense, I would think.

But, and listen, I know I'm a skillty of being a huge homeer. Our guy, Max, another top 10. Fantastic iron player. I mean, listen, don't sleep on Max. Sneaky, sneaky top 10. We thought long way into the pop before we brought up Jordan's speed. How about that, huh? It was a lot of, this is outrageous to say, We thought long way into the pop before we brought up Jordan's speed. How about that, huh?

It was a lot of, this is outrageous to say since it was in outrageous week, but it was kind of a lot of the same, right? Just the cocaine train rolls on. It'd be making its way, high speed rail up to Jack's beach. And, you know, I mean, Saturday was just goofy. Like it was so tough. First, first, I turned on coverage yesterday.

First shot I see, Speed holds out. Oh my God, it's gonna go, I think I was thinking about it really hard. I think that's the first time I've seen a hole in one live TV ever. How about that? I've seen one in person.

You've seen a lot of this, a moment ago. Yeah, exactly, but like it was truly a thrill to be like, oh my God, that might go in a holy shit. It went, it went, it went, it went in a thrill to be like, oh my god, that might go in a holy shit It went He didn't even ball went in the hole from two oh two unbelievable. So that was how he made it That was really cool to see a lot of delighted young meal. So not only did he keep thrill a hole in one a whole bunker shot and ran to get this 141 feet of putts made believe me, but that's you're not breaking news to me one feet of putts made. Believe me, but that's you're not breaking news to me. I've been all over that. Sorry. He had 140 feet and round one as well. The guy's got to get your driver figured out

if he's going to one. I mean, if people are looking for a reason as to why he hasn't won, he loses strokes, gain all the D and every one of these tournaments. I don't know how he's finishing top five is truly magic. What he's doing with the irons and still hitting like seemingly every week hitting just bone headed making bone headed decisions with some of his place. I was gonna say I put it on Greller's tombstone just quote I'm not comfortable with that. It's just that the caddy player combo between those two is like must see TV for me. Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with that Jordan. Like I it's like he's just always trying to talk Michael into something he shouldn't do. It's the best.

Great trends though. I mean, how much fun is it having speed prominently involved weekend after weekend? Yeah, and just giving us the ride too. I mean, at no point did I think he was gonna win today though. This was the first week I've been like, yeah, whatever happens today happens. I don't feel like he's gonna win.

I felt like he did today drive it a lot better though. Especially on the back nine. Yeah, he had some good, he was hitting that fade, kind of through the meat of the back nine that I thought was counting on that, which was cool to see. I think we got sloppy after that. After he didn't make Bernie on 16. It was 12th in the show of Skane driving today.

So, it did have a good, good driving did it, especially in tough conditions. So, that's encouraging, but yeah, nothing felt today. He lost almost two strokes on the green and we, he needs to make putts. I think what's interesting, tying this to, to Bryson, this might be a horrendously stupid take, but go with me on this journey is what's so interesting about the driving with Bryson. I'm kind of thinking this, you know, in context with Spieth is, I feel like there are going to be so many more, all right, we've seen this with Fina, right, where listen to

ball, can bounce either way. You never know what's going to happen if you just got to put yourself in the mix and hopefully you kind of get lucky, right? That driver had to earn him at least one shot this week, right? Any wins the tournament by one. Like I think that's kind of the crux of why that's such an important thing, right? Like I don't know if that is making sense

what I'm trying to say, but I feel like he's, if he can put himself in the mix so many more times, like it's just, there's gonna be so many more times where, oh, look at that, he won by one. He had the one extra shot that he needed to actually win versus finishing T4, or something like that. And just thinking about speed in the opposite.

Right, in this ever evolving landscape of like, send it, send it, everyone send it, and he's not a guy that sends it, he's got to overcome so much more. So in these weeks where he has a hole out, he has a hole in one, he drains 80 foot putts, he does all these things, like that's still not enough. It still comes up short. Not a good side.

Then back to our first conversation. What an easy guy to root for. Yeah, compared to the guy that's just like getting spot of the stroke when he shows up every week. Right. I'm already, I'm getting ready. I'm already set my alarm for master's Saturday night. I need to get a full night sleep when it's him versus Bryson on master Sunday.

Oh, he's totally gonna win. They'll probably won't be paired together though, because the timing of the, of the, when they finish, we'll probably get cast up for something. You are on that block. You are firmly, you are seated in a lawn chair on that block. I just like seeing people get worked up over it.

I really don't care that much, but like. Bryson and Nick Taylor in the final group is deaf, like they made me so mad that people were so tired. What did you can to do that? So I was gonna cooler. He's handed out waters on that block. Goldwater $1 right here. Police are going to kick him out.

Like they did you would feed except what do you. Exactly. Get, come on man. You can't hawk shirts here. Did you guys catch that? Whatever it was, you know, the, you know, the, the, the Wiley veteran versus the brute strength versus the Canadian. That's all they had for the Korean economy.

The Canadian. Yo, all they had for Corey Connors. The Canadian. Yeah. I want to say Corey Connors, I'm in love with the golf swing. The tempo is so good. I, so I'm, I'm going to just throw it. He can't, he couldn't make a pot. Couldn't make a pot. Except for the eagle, uh, struggling on the greens, but he, God, he hits it.

Good, man. So that was, that was cool to see. I'm really watched a lot of him, uh, a lot of his golf game. So that was fun It was again to bring it back to Bryson I mean who knows what his lie looked like in the 18th rough there the rough right of of 18 But when he has to you know it was it was jarring to switch back and forth between him and Bryson where Bryson's just lashing it out of everything a lot of You know a lot of it's because he's hitting the single length, you know, six iron length wedge.

But, and then seeing Corey Conner's with basically the tournament on the line has to make a birdie like no chance. Has to just lay it up out to the left. I mean, there you go. There's another example. Yeah. Thought Matthew Fitzpatrick was gonna win. And they kind of, you know, they do that thing

where they flash to him up ahead in the windy firm greens, making birdie putts and he just gave way too many shots back this week. I really double at 17. He had to cook in there on the back nine until he doubled 17. I just, we talked some about this and about this hole, but at day underscore Tyler sent a question for the podcast is the 15th hole at Bay Hill, the worst part four on tour. Nobody can hit fairway. The rough is stupid thick all over the place. The bunkers protect the front of the green on both sides.

Oh, and it starts by hitting over a road. And two shrubs, which I feel like would tickle big radiance. I feel like you like that. It's a great visual. They got to stop traffic. There's always a traffic cop out there, stopping people. Yeah, 15, 15 sucks.

That ball court, I don't know, maybe you have to hit a cut in there, but that ball court corners hit where, you know, you hit the draw and it hits in the right rough and bounces through to the left rough. It's like, all right, what are we doing? That's the, that's a future that Web Simpson wants for golf, by the way. Shout out to more dog likes. That was, that was a really stop rice and I'm number six there.

That's the answer. Yeah, that's the answer. More dog legs. Rainy, I feel like we're kind of losing you a little bit. So I know exactly how to get you back in. Tell us about the drive on it at GoldenOcala. Oh my gosh, guys. First of all, I thought it was such a treat having

mid-morning coverage. There's a Friday, non-sarcastically. Good groups, here. The Quartis, Genie and Co, playing together. Yeah,castically good groups to the courtes, Jin Young co playing together. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Morgan Presel, who's joined the broadcast team there too as well. That was some refreshing insight. So the big takeaway, Austin Ernst, third LPGA tour victory, convincing fashion. She was up at one point like six or seven strokes today. Just a great performance by her.

I'm more curious. I've been noodling and I see both sides of it. I got some takes around the course, but I want to throw it out to you guys and see what she'd think first. What do you think of the Golden Ocala and the tribute holes? I was going to ask if you thought this, you know, portends well for Austin's chances in April. Right.

Right. Oh, do you want me to set this stage? I can't decide. Well, Solid's played the course. I feel like he's solid loves it. That's awesome. Yeah, I remember you legitimately raping about it. It was, the hurdle for me to overcome

in terms of enjoying it was quite big. Like, of course, I was ready to roll my eyes at replica holes of Augusta. I've never played Augusta. I've been there. And the old course. And Royal Tru. So the old course stuff isn't like, isn't what I'll rave about, but the old, what hole is it at the old course?

The road hole. There I have number one in the road hole. Yeah. Number one is, that would be a tough one to recreate without, you know, one of the world's coolest cities at the ocean surrounding it. But the road hole is interesting. It's like probably more of how the, I mean, in terms of like, it takes a long iron to get in there around a road hole bunker, massive green.

There's no building or anything. There's no building to do. There's no building to do. Just OB. You hit over like a, it's actually not OB. You hit over a wall, but it's not out of bounds over there. But the Augusta 12 and 13, which is 11, 12, a Golden O'Cala, it is almost exactly what I would imagine

the shot value to be like on those shots. It's awesome. It is, like trying to hit wedges into that, into the 12 hole with Augusta. I can't, I still can't tell we'd be a serious. I'm dangerous. I'm like really? 100% serious.

It's awesome. Feels like he's a Harry Potter fan. He's got back from the Harry Potter theme park. Oh, you gotta go, dude. It looks just like Hogwarts. He's all jacked up on Butterbeer. Yeah. Well, I've always been, no, no, no, sir.

I know, I know, but it's awesome. I've always been enthralled by the replica courses that pop up. I've gotta go do this. And every review of every one I've ever been enthralled by the replica courses that pop up, I'm like, oh, I gotta go do this. And every review of every one I've ever heard is horrible. Like it's in horrible shape, like, not even worth it, it's such a bad imitation. So I went in with that mindset,

but like actually, and getting to play them in competition too was like, oh shit, this like four iron is above my feet here coming into, quote, 13, that Augusta. And I really wanna cut this, or else like, there's no good place to land a draw. How do you hit this shot? Like feeling very exposed in that moment was kind of like, oh, that's pretty sweet.

Did you do off your cap on the series of bridge? Of course. I saw Tweet, I think from Beth A. Nichols, who was like, oh, they'll be using the traditional masters whole locations for holes, you know, whatever, 11 and 12 or whatever they are. Of course, immediately rolled my exactly what you're saying. I'm like, God, that's so stupid. And I was like, well, yeah, of course. Like, what else are you going to put them? That's awesome. Yeah. I admittedly didn't see much of them on. So where do you stand watching TV, Randy,

how do you show about the replica holes? It's just tough for me to square because it's, there's something sad about the best women golfers in the world having, can't play the real thing. So I think that's where I start is like, oh cool, they get to play replicas. Like, well, you know what I'd be really sick though? These are better than money, sir. These are, these are IOUs.

Is it they got to play the real thing? Which I will say, they can, they have a women's open championships at the old course, which there's old course replica. It's a gust, basically, is what you're at. There's three Augusta holes. And Jennifer Cup Show was your early leader who won the onward, right?

So they have the onward now. They, I don't believe the women have ever had an open championship at St Andrews before, but So they have the onward now. I don't believe the women have ever had an open chain meet trip at St Andrews before, but they will in the next few years. But the onward is an amateur event, which, you know, great for the people coming up now. So I don't know, that was just tough for me to square.

I will say, like, nothing against GoldenOcala, just like if I were going down there, I think my personal mindset is, solid, I would be exactly like you, like it's a high hurdle for me to clear, to lean into it, but you know, great for the people I get to go and play it. There was just something about like,

yeah, these are the best women in the world. And, you know, hey, we're playing replica holes here in like central Florida. Like, oh, God, that's kind of sad when you start to think about it. There have been two women's British opens at the old course at St Andrews, 2007 and 2013. And they're also going about,

but there's a Baltic Raw hole, which no one knows, it's a Baltic Raw. Then they're also going to a Baltic Raw here in the future as well. So it's really a gust of the that you're after there. I got some bad info from our guy Shane last week. I was asking if they'd ever been to the old course before. I hate that. So anyway, I think. Come on, Shane. That's bad info from our guy Shane last week. I was asking if they'd ever been to the old course before. Hate that.

I know. So anyway, I think. Come on Shane. That's great. Do you actually play the ball to draw a whole or is it a simulation that you go through? And is it the upper or lower course? You would know.

Yeah, shout out to the member guest. I don't know what you call that. Member guest champion. For you? Yeah. Reigning? Well, no, it's like the official member. It's like a one day member guest. Oh. It's not the, it wasn it was like that. I think it's the official member. It's like a one day member guest.

Oh. It's not the, it wasn't the real thing. It's like a Monday qualifier. Hey, listen, everybody likes a trophy. And some pro shop created. Yeah, baby. We gotta go down there and play it, Randy. I think you'd actually really enjoy it.

Your review makes me, makes me very intrigued. But I also can't tell if you're, if you're mad at someone with us. I'm not that good at it. The Butterbeer was great. I'm not that good at it. The Butterbeer was great. I'm not that good at bits. It would be a great bit though. It would be. We keep that dude.

T.C. is not here with us tonight. He wanted us to give a, be sure to give a shout out to Jane Park, who recently had a baby and is making cuts out on the LPGA tour. She had tweeted a picture of her out with her baby during a practice round, which her husband also caddies on tours worth noting and is there as a caretaker or their child as well. And she got, she got a hateful comment about it.

She got all worked up about it and riled up about it. And I was rallied to her defense in that regard, but it's imagine like trying to, it's something you don't think about, obviously never think about with the men's game of like a human just actually came from your body and you're out performing athletically at the highest level, at the highest level, like a few months after that happening is very remarkable. So I believe it was cool. It was cool. It's not the only one doing that. Rainy now we're at the the game bridge last week and at like no, and just seeing her,

her out there, your, your eyes kind of panning the range and you know, there's all these like world class players hitting balls. And then you get to Jane and she's hitting balls and she's got, you know, everybody's got their big stand bag and their caddy and maybe a coach or an agent or, you know, husband or partner or whatever. And Jane has her stroller right next to her. And it was just a really jarring visual and just really cool to see.

It made me really happy. Then we come into player dining, she's just passing the baby around all the caddies and just thrilled to see it. It was awesome. She's out to her. She's got a little Kobe jersey on. And that's kind of hit home for TC too.

I mean, he's in the thick of it with Goose stuff. So it's like, man, a lot goes into it. And yes, huge kudos to Jane Park. So yeah, it's not going to make headlines, but something we consider worth discussing. You guys ready for some hamster, Dan? Well, no, I would like to hear your apology. Let's not bury this. Okay, yeah. The last second of the pod. Well, listen, guys, around this time last year, we made a wager that I said Tony Fienaude win twice on the PGA tour.

He was just short. And he did win once. He won the waste management. According to you guys, he did fall one win short of that. The bet wasn't apology. Will you will you publicly apologize on the podcast? I'm here to do that right now. I apologize for saying that Tony Fienaude was going to win twice.

I came up just a bit short. I feel great about the play. I've absolutely zero regrets. If COVID never happened, I think we'd be in a totally different situation. I appreciate the extended terms you guys gave to get through this. And he, with us, and we had our chances this spring,

this winter. And I thought that the odds were just gonna eventually flip for us and they just haven't yet. I'm not giving up on them. I would be willing to, if you would like to extend the bet, or make a new bet into this next year, that I think a one and a half odds, that was a concession on my part.

It was more likely that he would not win twice than it was that he would win. Sure, but you also brought it up. I did. You think that? Is that the new concession? I'm asking for a concession on there. Is that the modern day concession?

If we give it to him, then we will build a golf course in memory of this. What would you like from us? I would bet that he will win. What? Before it turns 20, in the next year, from now. In a year from now, he'll win a PJ tour. That's a pretty safe bet. Really? Let me, let me, let me. For Sully, that's a safe bet. Well, let'll win a PJ tour. But that's a pretty safe bet. Really?

Let me, let me, let me, for Solly, that's a safe bet. Well, let me and Randy scope out our, I don't think so. Let's go, let's go. Let's go. I think it's pretty safe. I mean, I think he's at some point.

I know we should suspend the bid. The data board is gonna come after you. I think he's probably gonna win. I have some stakes too. And he just, he's come full circle. He's betting on Fiena now. Well, before we get there, I'd like to like Fiena.

I told you guys out of respect for Mr. Palmer's event, I'm gonna be addressing this next week. I don't want it to track from Fienaul. We are next week or players week, baby. I just think, you know, out of respect, out of an abundance of respect. I'd like to defer that to next week. I'd like to ask you, before we get into this,

just, you know, before we fully transfer out of the apology in full billy-pain fashion, I mean, what did you learn from this? And how will you kind of grow from this and really kind of become one of the role models that we really expect you to be? I've learned a lot about getting down in the mud with Ira and the douche. You know, you got to be willing to fight dirtier than sometimes I'm willing to fight. You know, it, you know, just kind of seeing something a lot,

just knowing what you're up against and some of the logic used in these situations. It's a new challenge for me, you know? And I feel like it was challenging a lot of different ways over this past year. And I learned a lot. I learned a lot about, you know, how to have some difficult conversations

with people you used to respect. And do you move forward after coming these realization that maybe not everything's working. Well, I hope you do regain that respect for Tony. That would be great. I was going to say, do you blame Tony for this? Not even a little bit. He gave his absolute best effort. He, you know, we had some great Sundays. We had some tough Sundays, but, you know, for somebody that's lobbing that many good shots up at the hoop, you would think one would open up, but it just hasn't. So is there any area of his game you'd really encourage him

to work on? I mean, I think the putting is probably what you're getting at, but is putting stats or not? Oh, there's no wrong answers. They're all, yeah. I mean, if the game management under pressure, yeah, just that would probably be a good thing too. Listen, it's a 72-hole tournament,

and we need, maybe we need bigger league comment, we need an actual league comment in the Sunday. We need the odds overwhelming in our favor for it to go our way, one time. You don't mind me if I do a bit, as a fedatouish 7 of the podcast, that is not focusing on the game. I was gonna say, if you had only three words for Tony, what would they be?

Let's get it. Elliot? So just, and just so the listeners know, you're not apologizing for cherry picking distance takes. Oh, no, no, no, just for that stuff. I'm not apologizing for the distance stuff. Correct. Yeah.

What do you think Finau needs more than anything? A big break. Thank you. That's big of you. That's all you wanted for a year. Very cool. All right, now let's revisit your bet that you're throwing out here.

Okay. So you say in the next calendar year or in the remainder of 20 years from now, through the next year's period of- You want the whole West Coast. What if we meet him halfway and we say by the end of the year? Yeah, I thought you were saying in 2021.

Give me the West Coast swing. No. I think that's a new, we can explore that when we get to it. Exactly. I think we're prepared to give you 2021. A full year's a lot. And listen,

this Vegas would not like this. He's clearly one of the best players in the world. It was about even money at the beginning of this year when we started doing our trafficking stuff. So I'm signing up two years in a row for bad bets for me. I don't know, man. It feels like if you're sticking to the numbers argument, it feels like he's going to get a win

that it's gonna fall his way. At some point, it would feel like after 36 times in the top 10. But sadly, that's not how probability works. It's not like a, you know, it's gonna even out on the other side. It's just not how probability works. Well, it feels like a fair compromise. He could. I'm like, Azinger, I'm not great at math.

But I'll tell you what it sounds like. What my gut's telling me. A lot of red on that real level. It's that, it's like this. It's some point. It's gonna go red seven. He could drop down and play that Utah. How about this? It's not the blackest sum. It's some point. It's gonna go red seven. He could drop down and play that Utah. How about this?

It's a crackly home game. How about this? We'll do if he has a winning record in the Ryder Cup. No. It gets extended through February. He should be on the Ryder Cup team. You're a team that's also. That is a bad take.

We can revisit that. You should be on the Ryder Cup team. I was thinking this week. Wait, let's not get it. Don't, don't, let's settle this before we go there. Why would he not be on the rider? Because he stinks. Billy Horses.

Billy Horses who I was gonna say. Oh yeah. Yeah, they can, they can, they can, they haven't go do something else that week. He's, he's, he's, he's not a winner. I want winners in the locker room. He's a winner. Winner's only, exactly.

So you have to win stroke play event. You have to beat every stroke play player in an tournament to be able to get in his whole deal His whole deal Randy's looking for fox hole guys. Who do you want the fox hole? Do you want you want Tony in the fox hole hell no, I don't we're getting killed immediately how to work in France Well, honestly, I couldn't tell you I would say that that was kind of whiffs Was it was you us like have no chance that one out chance. Exactly, that was like the three early birdies, holy shit we're leading. Let's give a couple back.

Okay, now we're out of the tournament. Let's birdie 17 and 18 coming home. That was what France was. He beat, he won his points. All you can do is play your match. Yeah, but the US had no chance. If it was close and it came down to, oh god, you know, it came down to Fina's matches, no way.

He was one of the first ones out and beat Justin Rose. When it, like he was the one that put the one before. He now tried to get to uncomfortable territory. Don't put me Fina. I guess Team Rose. You gotta, you gotta make a statement on behalf of Tami. No, I, issue a statement on Twitter. No, it's Fleetwood.

You beat Fleetwood's your, which if we, then this can lead us back. I'm ready to coin T Fleetwood, Tommy Fleet. Now. Let's work on that name. But I like it. Or if you were doing there. Or Finwood.

I had two choices there. Sorry, Web Simpson beat Justin Rosen's what I was thinking. Fleet now or Finwood. Why would it be Fleenow? Fleenow's good. Tommy Lee now. Hold on. I do get what they're saying about.

No, I'm gonna make, I'm gonna hold your feet to this. When you were here, flew it was form one. That's a bad take. When you close this match, you're out of your honor. No, but he just can't win. When he closed this match, it was 10 and a half, nine and a half. All right, so I don't want to hear any of that, like all their side of the golf course, Bertie. No, that is bad take. Bad take. Bad.

He was literally, he got to compete against his English doppelganger. Like that's, talk about a comfy, comfy match for Tony. I think he's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. bad take bad he was literally he got to compete against his English doppelganger like that's talk about a calm the comfy match for for Tony fee I Fleetwood was like first match up he was a Fleetwood was a monster but what I was checking out dog Fleetwood done to dick in the right he was four and one in the rider cup I feel like I feel like a Fee now starting to feel like Al Harrington. Just getting like, just getting fourth quarter buckets

on a bad NBA team, you know? Like that's what that, I think that's the point. Reef heb der Reef. Yeah, I think that's the point Rani's trying to make. Like I can get down for you, and all that matters is winning like in golf tournaments. I can get down with that, I can understand that. But I can't understand the fact that Fienaal beats so many pros

every single week, how that doesn't translate to match play. How does it, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Answer it. How does it not translate to match play? No, because it's totally different. It's totally different. How is it different? I, it just, it doesn't work for me.

It doesn't work for me. You know, oh, he finished second. He beat 119 people He wins and match play. Yeah Yeah, that's what we're talking about. So what I don't know. I lost the argument. What is he like a strong match of a match player? Does Justin John does Justin Johnson win a lot of stroke play events? Yeah, last time checked he wins a lot of them. What did he do in the match playing the right or cut? All right, he shouldn't be on the team. Maybe he shouldn't.

I'll do it. You're a logic. Fucking sick. With that logic. That's a sick take. That is an absolutely sick take. No, I want to get back to the bet. Are you saying Finault's a dog or a killer?

Is that what you're trying to tell him? I'm saying, if we win a match, if we go in a match, he's a wolf. He's a complete fluffer. I'm saying if we win a match, if we go in a match, because he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a complete fluffer. I'm, I'm staring into the sunset and I can't tell what he is. If we go into match play at,

at Wisting Straits without Tony Fienault, then we deserve to lose. Oh God. Oh, wow. That's a lot. No reason why he wouldn't be on the team. What? Except for,

why would you think they lose if Tony Fienault's not on the team? Is that what they said?ienals on not on the teams. I would say that they don't win like they deserve it. Like they if you don't if you pass on Fien out like you have a player that hits it long on a course they're going to set up long that has done well in match play that consistently is like beating the top players in the world weekend and week out the most one of the most consistent players you'd ever want. If you don't put that guy on your team. No, I'm not arguing that I think Fiena should be on Ryder Cup team. He's earned it. I'm not. I'm not going to ride. I'm going to bleed the fifth. I'm not going to

come. I think he's the one, you know, so based on finding out my true friends, you know, based on how they select people for the Ryder Cup, who'll make the team. Like it's not even worth having the argument, right? Like he's more captains picks. No, it's only six. Yeah. Only six automatic qualifiers. He's definitely not a lock. He's not in the top six right now. Of what? That's the same news.

This, don't give me a start on the standings. Probably not. Really? You think he's one of the six best American golfers? I would think that the way they calculated, he wouldn't be know by like... I would calculate it heavy on wins, baby. Yeah.

Okay. As they should then. That's the way I would agree with some troubles. They absolutely should not. Now I would agree with that. That's the reason why I would agree with that. They absolutely should not. Yeah, this is so dumb. You guys need to stop talking. You're pushing me over to Sally. I'm just saying, no.

Come on. Can we get back to the task at hand, which is the new bet? Is it going to be within the 2021 calendar year? There's a lot of golf left this year, Sally. I think Sally would be, I think he would feel so much better about himself if you won that bet rather than the calendar year. There's a lot of golf left this year, sorry. I think, I think, I think he would feel so much better about himself if you won that bet rather

than the calendar year bet. Don't try to bait me into another bad bet. I'm just saying. I'll give you this bet. I'll give you whatever you want. I'll take no. One win, no. One win.

You can do it. One win rest of time. A rest of time. A rest of time. That's sick. I will go on that bet with you, but I'll give me a year and we'll do a Fowdo Mutton Chops bet. Loser has to wear the Fowdo Mutton Chops.

Stakes. Now or any's got to think about it. Well, that's going to take me like a month to grow out my hair that much, but okay. Deal. DJ you want to go on this too? I guess you got no reason to, because I'm going to have to do it. I'm not sure, I'll do it later.

All right, I'm in. Four-hour-a-foot. And I'm in. Four-eye fully. And I think you guys should have taken this. This is PJ Tour event. PJ Tour event, okay, thank you. Yeah, not opposite field. No, that counts. So it ends and does the West Coast swing end.

No, we have a year from today. That's what we do. March 7th. Okay, so next year, Bay Hill. Yeah, which he doesn't play. So, I don't know if that's what that's. Can we see what happens? No, that's a bad bad for us.

He's gonna win. That's a bad win. But it's going to be fun to run against that. Don't say that was such conviction. He's not going to win. Right. All right. Thanks. I had a moment of weakness in our draft. He's not a winner. He's not going to win. All right. Let's move on. Hamster. Damn. I don't have much. I yield my time. I yield my time. Neil? A lot of commercials. I would say, I'd give, I'd shout out Raj for hammering

the drop Bryson got from the sprinkler head by the green was at 15, 14, 16. 16? That was sweet. He was not happy with that drop and I appreciated that. So I would say my hamster and anti would be like, I would like more of that. I would like the announcers to say what they think. I also don't know how close Raj gets to some of these greens to check out these lines,

but he didn't think the sprinkler is in his line. And as he's saying, the tour official comes up and honestly, one of the fastest rulings of everything. You are entitled to relief there. It was like Trontacate coming in on a well-run adult just like giving relief without even looking at. What's the story here? At the situation. But yeah, I thought, I don't know.

It felt to me, I wanted to, it felt like one of the, it felt like it should have been such an exciting tournament. And it felt like one of the worst I felt like it should have been such an exciting tournament and it felt like one of the worst weekend broadcasts I've ever seen. Where I, between the Arnie just like turning around it, if three possible stop to like, just fall all over Arnie in a way that no one is asking

with the same thing you've done every single year. Millions are asking. And jamming an unimaginable commercial load into these windows. I, uh, it was, it was out of control. Extreme load. I got a joke around loads in our, I'm not gonna think out of respect for Mr. Palmer.

I got a kick out of the Justin Rose commercial after he withdrew. Justin, how, tell us about that round today, every, you know, five minutes, you get to get to... Just like Megan Beegrew, every time I saw it. It's like, you gotta have a back up commercial, right? So to this point of the all the respect for Mr. Palmer thing and to have his tournament

televised like that, that's where I get upset, right? You try to do all this thing of how amazing, all the how high everyone holds this event and all this and this is the importance of a bubble, then I gotta feel that on TV. I can't feel like the mark for watching that because that's what I felt like. So I always struggle with hamster damn

because it's the same thing every week. There's about 40% more commercials than it seems like there should be. It takes me out of even the most exciting tournament. I think I texted you, Sally, on Saturday, which is kind of like, all right, listen, I think I'm checked out. Let me know if my favorite player or the most interesting player in golf wins, I guess, because I can't really like watch this.

And point being, that should be something I should really want to watch. But I always struggle with Hampshire Dam where to place blame because I don't know how much that goes to the tour and I don't know how should really want to watch. But I always struggle with Hampshire Dam and where to place blame, because I don't know how much that goes to the tour and I don't know how much that goes to NBC. So I just feel like Hampshire Dam feels like it should be, it's targeted at the networks and I don't think that's totally their fault. I think the commercial load is, that's like a contracting.

Like they have to do what they have to do and it's the same thing every week. It's like an unwatchable and just like it is. Yeah, when the golf is actually interesting, a lot of the time, I mean, not to spoil the secret, but a lot of times the golf isn't interesting. Right. And so when it is, it gets extra frustrating.

And it's just, dude, I'm so with you. It's seeing the worry Conner's eagle and playing through, seeing like, it's tough, man. It's tough. Rainy and I were both saying, I think both of us got a workout in during the coverage. And actually when you put your headphones on

and you're just kind of watching from afar, it actually, I think improves the experience. You feel a little more locked in. But when it's just constantly like, I don't know, I yielded my time all the time. The, the only other thing I would point out is, I, you know, it's with Azinger. I think that he's, I almost feel like he's reading too much,

like press or commentary. Like I feel like he's second guessing himself a little bit. I felt like he walked back. He's like couching his takes. It's like, oh man, like, I like the, I like, he doesn't feel as fresh as he did a year or two ago, you know, and I kind of rooting for him to do well, because I liked him when he came on the scene,

but it's almost like he's worried that he's like, well, I'm not saying he's going to choke here. I can't remember where it was in the broadcast. Everybody's like, yo, man, just put it out there. And he cares. He's gunshot. He seems like he's getting gunshot. Let me take a little bit of my yielded time back and give a shout out to Nick Fowldo for posting a tweet, make you put a Ricky Fowler and then an apology video on.

Take it back. That was cool. That was super cool The abico asked how did CBS manage to supplant NBC as the less painful golf broadcast producer? You know kind of was like wondering like I think they have but have they and now it's not really close I think it's new blood CBS. Yeah, right. I think it's changing the guard a little bit New aesthetic too. Yeah, it's leaker man. That CBS broadcast is much sleeker They've had some jam sessions over there. Hey, how can we make it better? What can we do a little different?

Come on, let's do it a little bit over here. But every time... It's some pizza, let's get some beers. Let's toss around some ideas. No bad ideas. No bad ideas, come on. Every time that we have one of these segments, I end up getting texts and phone calls from people

that are saying how wrong we are about it. And listen, NBC, PGA Tour, we're in town this week. I'm around. If anybody wants to have a conversation on this and tell me why I'm wrong, I'm happy to have it. But NBC, it's time we come to the table and have a conversation. Where I was struggling, this is where I try to be very, very,

I don't know, clear about this or whatever. It's like, I don't pretend to know how any of the production stuff works. And that's where I'm never, I'm very, ever rarely like, oh, the fucking camera angle, that graphic, that's not the problem. But what those people don't understand is,

they can't tell me, no, you're wrong, you actually did enjoy it. Like you actually were locked in. You're being totally unfair. You actually did just love what you watched. It's like, no, check it out, no, I didn't. If you knew how hard it was, you'd appreciate what we're doing. No, that's not. That doesn't change how I'm feeling. Is it purely commercials for you? Like what's what's that's the biggest thing to it? That's the biggest thing.

Like the rhythm was like, it's not even the right word because there was a complete absence of rhythm. Here's what I'll say. Watch this week. I have no shame in saying this will be maybe the best broadcast of the year at the players. Back nine will be awesome. They always go commercial free. Tommy Roy, same producer, same crew, same staff, same everything. And just watch how different it is. Watch it. It doesn't matter who's in the lead. It doesn't matter how compelling the golf is. Watch how much more enjoyable that is. So that's where it's like, dude, I don't want a shit on NBC, because nobody could do that. Nobody could make that many commercials flow.

It's impossible. And I, but I, I, I mean, it's almost like a joke to even bring up, like how often we need to see the players championship commercial. And that's right. No, that was gonna be my question. Is that why we don't get commercials

coming up this week is because we saw so many players commercials for the last year That it's like all right you guys put you put the time in for us. We're gonna reward you with this chocolate kiss The super seeroo. I don't know how TV contracts work moment I don't know how they get away with commercial free. It's wild the super season is heating up and two different players commercials Like that is where I just like just, I can't do it. And the fact that there's no hope for the future is where I'm out of like, are we just stuck?

We either ignore it and don't ever talk about it or just talk about it every week. No, I don't know what to do. I think it's worth acknowledging that, if anybody watching Bay Hill was probably an avid golf fan, they know that the players is this week. Wouldn't you want to run those commercials on a different channel? For like, hey, let's go find some people that might not know that tournament is this week. Maybe

we should put them on ESPN or we should put them on any other channel or at another time. I don't know. Yeah. No, super. super with that crazy idea. No, I just especially like a waste of money, especially like Thursday afternoon. It's like, yeah, man, I'm a pretty big golfing. Yeah, I know, I know that the tour is coming to town next week. I get it.

I've locked in, man. Yeah. I miss Johnny. Yeah, that's what I'll say about NBC. I Johnny covered up a lot of warts just his, he was entertaining. Johnny getting in spats with Bryson would be. I know. That would be unbelievably awesome.

And I can't unheared Faraday's ASMR thing with this. Oh, it's this. I can't unheared it. I don't know who brought it to my attention. I can't unheared it. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. I think it's truly a thing that only some people hear, and I hear it, and I'm looking around the room,

like, anybody else here in this, anybody else get driven crazy by this. Yeah, I'm not, I don't hear that. I don't hear it. I live in a joyful world right now here. Oh my God. I hear it now, and it's ruined it for me. Come on over to my side, big guy. Let me wrap on a positive note.

Again, I want to reiterate, the players broadcast over the last five years has been, you know, most improved award. It's awesome. Hit me with why you think that is. Commercial, a billion. So do you think it's important? The billion for us saying we don't, for our own event, for our crown event, we're not, we're going to basically make it look a lot better

than the other ones we made. These sponsors pay a ton of money for. Yes, of course. Of course. I just want you to like say that out loud. Okay, that's the only reason. Yes, I think, of course, I'm NBC, I'm sure would tell you like we have more cameras.

It's the fifth major. We have more cameras, we have more talent, we have better interview setups. We have different blimp coverage or whatever and maybe all that stuff is true and maybe all of those add up to some grand experience, but I would say it's pretty fucking obvious that it's just way less commercials. So hit me this week. If I'm wrong, please let me know, but it's the same crew. So let me know how this week was compared to next week. Well, on that note, there's a new PGA tour content, Sweepstakes.

Some news came out this week. Blue Golf Week was the first to report that PGA tour and the Amazon Web Service partnership is basically the titles to improve how fans view future in past tournaments. There's gonna be a crazy archive of a bunch of old tournaments. And then the every shot live, it's an app that's going to provide viewers live access

to every shot and every player in a tournament. We're going to see that this coming week at the players championship. I think it's at a tournament at the players. You know, I know maybe that's down the line, but I don't know. It's down the line. But we're going to see it at the tournament at the players this week, every shot live, which I was the only day they played last year. I get to watch it, because I was at the turn of last year, but reviews were good last year. I think that's great. Every shot live, but you didn't mention the data lake,

which should have been. These are man-made lakes. I thought the data lake was gonna be way bigger. I've got these zero. I've got these zero alerts set up for. I'm gonna scoop it up in the data lake. Land like for any lot. I'm just a scoop of them in the data lake. Like for any lot.

I'm just looking for some land on the data lake. I've heard it's going to be. No, you got to, I mean, we're taking development. Your family had to come around the Mayflower to get a land on the data lake. And that's good point. Is this the sewage, is this where the sewage is on the 70th of? We talked to Trout about that. Yeah, I don't know.

The data lake though, I think we're going to try to connect to that. We're trying, we're looking into it. Through the interco, there's been an environmental study that's out. It's due back from the Army Corps of Engineers. The mode at HQ now. I think, well, that's the dream. It's ultimately you connect. It's just the canal system.

The data lake to the pond on 18, which then would connect to the pond on 17, which connect to the mode at HQ. Correct. That's the long-term plan. What did I say? What did I say? And they're gonna put the, like, the,

gondolas, like, you know, they're gonna have a whole, which is a lot of stuff. Which is actually people don't realize it's actually very shallow. They're just pushing on the bottom, you know. It's gonna be cool to see when it all comes together. God damn it.

That was in another press release. You missed that one. I guess. And I can go do sup yoga on the day to late. Hell yeah. We should get the paddle boards out there. That'd be great. But I do find it interesting that how much they are

touting all of this and doesn't sound like it's going to be that ready to go from the beginning. And almost like they're throwing this out, it's statements on PGATOR.com, there's golf week articles about it. And I think golf fans think starting now, now every shot is gonna be live. I someone who used to sell software,

this is hard for the course to over sell the disruptive ability of what you're about to do, and then just throw it over the fence to the account manager figure it out with the customer success team. Yeah, it's not going to roll out like it should come on, man. It wouldn't be the bleeding edge if it did. Yeah, I don't know. It's we'll see, I guess, you know, it sounds like a lot of awesome things. The every shot live was really cool. Obviously we saw something awesome things. The every shot live was really cool. Obviously we saw something strikingly similar at the Masters the last couple of years, which has been an awesome way to catch up on players rounds. Like, you know, I think we bitch about the TV a lot, but obviously they can't be on constantly and they don't have, you know, rights are expensive and you can't have cameras

on every single shot ever. And so when they do, it's not necessarily that it's something that like, hey man, I can't wait to watch every shot of, you know, let's pick on Nick Taylor again. But, you know, I can't wait to watch every single shot of Nick Taylor's round. I'm sure his family feels that way. I'm sure anybody who bet on him feels that way. But it's really cool for me when I haven't been able to watch golf to catch up on like, holy shit, Jordan's speed is in the lead. Let's, let's get into every shot. Like, rather than just looking at, he hit four of 14 fairways. It's like, okay, well, let's see where he was missing. Was it right? Was it left? Yada, yada, yada. And so I think if, you know, if that's, if you can put some hydroelectric power in the, in the data lake to really spin out like some, some quick automated round

recaps, I always like to say that that would get you. Get it. Some compute power. I mean, what kind of engine we got on top of this lake, huh? We got some master crafts out there. What kind of boats we were working with? Oh, God. No, if you could spit out something like that, I think it is hyper additive to the golf fan experience is something like this going to be behind

some sort of massive paywall. If you're reading between the lines of the release, that was kind of what it smelled like to me, but who knows. A paywall with ads probably on there too. That's the most fun shout out to PJ tour live. That's getting a little out of hand. So an interesting development though. And I'm excited to see where that goes.

Anything else from this past week? Do we talk about the data lake? We talked about that already, right? I mean, we've covered that. I have one shout out. I went out to hit some balls at Jack's beach today. Collegiate tournament out there. Yeah.

It was. It's the, I saw the Southern Illinois saluki's were out there. The Benbow Invitational hosted by Butler. It was a who's who of Cinderella's in the NCAA basketball tournament. I saw, mid-major SCN. It was Murray State was out there. Chicago state. I saw Chicago state. I'm caught in green. Yeah. So and the win was coming hard off the North. These guys were it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough day at Jack's Beach. But it was cool to see the college golf guys out in their gear. So I was looking up for some results tough

to find. Can't find anything about who won the... Nothing on golf stat? I just looked. Nothing. So whoever beat that, I'll have to check tomorrow, but curious who won the Benbow invitation on this year. But shout out to Jack's Beech for hosting it. And also, I think we missed what would have been some very righteous players' championship weather by a week.

It would have been so not fun to play golf out there the last two days, but no rain, no like. They would have had to keep playing wind. It would have been great. It would have been awesome, but that was the true, you know, it's everybody keeps saying since the players moved back to March, it's a total coin flip. Otherwise, this part of the air could either be at some point it will, it will happen. Dome golf or it can be like pretty hairy cold north wind golf. And so we'll see. It looks a little, it looks a little spicy on the weekend. Weekend. Yeah, it looks, it looks good early in the week,

but hopefully some some wind on the weekend. Get some sun and some nice stiff, stiff breezes out there would be make for some great golf. I'm psyched for the players on ironically, on, on everything. It's, it's a very fun week. Awesome tournament. They've done a lot to pump it up here in Jax. And I'm excited to go watch. I'm excited to see some live golf as well. I'm excited for Bryson, sorry, Hadecki, to defend his title. Yes, absolutely. All right, thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll be back with some players content this week.

A lot of other stuff as well, and back for a recap next week as well. Cheers. Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.