No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 43: US Open Reaction with Tron Carter

Episode Date: June 20, 2016

Tron Carter joins me to pop the champagne and celebrate Dustin Johnson’s breakthrough at Oakmont. We talk about DJ slaying the dragon, the USGA disaster, Sergio, Lowry, Oakmont, as well as some exciting news about a... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 43: US Open Reaction with Tron Carter appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Lang-Up podcast in the complete opposite of the master's reaction podcast. We are absolutely elated today and I am very thrilled to be joined by Tron Carter in OU Co. Founder, also correctly predicted and bet on Dustin Johnson to win the US Open. What's the sense of euphoria

like in Boston today? Oh, it's just, I mean, people are out in the streets. Are you leading the parade? I'm leading last night. But on the betting on DJ thing, there's a small caveat to that where I've been on DJ like every year in middle.

Or every major for the last three or four years. DJing surgery. So I doubt I even broke even, but it was a nice win. You're more modest than I am. I didn't even broke even, but you know, it was a nice win. You're more modest than I am. I mean, I didn't even place money on him. I've gotten every major in my life, I think incorrect. And I'm gloating like I'm the master of the game today.

So, one of the ones I was like, I should have put money down on it. With Big Randy and I, we were doing our, kind of some prep for this trap draw podcast we've got coming out and I told them I was like man Scott Peter C2001 I really liked that and he just like laughed in my face so you know I just kind of completely second guess myself and didn't didn't place that one but that was you know that was kind of a little hunch I had that one I was probably more proud of than the DJ one well why don why don't we back up a second and tell people about this thing you're just trying to fly by here.

This new podcast called the Traptor All. What is this? Yeah, well, we were gonna call it the crack house. Now we can't call it the crack house because that's just too similar. So we're gonna call it the trap house. And then we were like, let going to call it the trap house. And then we're like, let's just call it the trap draw. So it's just going to be a big, randy chopping it up. Kind of a new addition to the, the no laying up podcast network. But yeah, basically just, just us chopping it up for, we're going to try to do like maybe 20 minutes

of us chopping it up and then 20 or 30 minutes of you know some interviews with some unique guests kind of some awful lot of people. Unvarnished you know not politically correct takes basically. Nice. Well yeah I think just to give some feedback to our listeners and any of the new listeners I think we kind of inspired this. It's been in the works for a while but I think what we want to say is, we're kind of shocked and overwhelmed by the amount of people that have been downloading the podcast recently, leaving reviews and whatnot and to see.

And we climbed as high as 11 on the iTunes Sports Podcast, which is, I don't know, I just never understood that many people were listening to these things. And we want to say we appreciate all that and we think that we can provide even more. So to do another podcast under the website with just a different theme, I think everyone should check it out. If you like this podcast, you'll like that one, Tron and Randi here. I don't know how many years worth of just inside jokes and whatnot that you'll like that one, Tron and Randy or, I don't know how many years worth

of just inside jokes and whatnot, that you'll pick up on pretty quickly, I think, but some are still gonna go over your head, but. I think Randy said it best when he, like we were talking and he was like, we don't want this podcast to be about just straight, you know, Tor talk, like who's gonna win the FedEx into classic?

And Randy said, shit, I don't even care who wins in the same gym classic, not gonna happen. So, yeah, check it out. Well, good luck on that. And I'm gonna, I'll definitely be tuning in and I'll be sharing links to that. So guys, make sure you subscribe and download to that. Well, we got to talk about this US Open yesterday,

Dustin Johnson slaying the dragon in every sense of the word. Controversy. I don't know what you want to talk about first. I want to talk about Okamatsu. I know you weren't a huge fan of the setup, but I feel like Dustin, I mean the USGA issue was way overshadowing. Dustin slaying the dragon. And we've been waiting for this for a long time, they're finally just to do this. And I don't know, I'm like, I slept three hours last night. I woke up like wide awake, was totally excited.

I think the cab said something to do with that as well. But I don't know, DJ is probably your boy. I'd say your boy more than he is my boy. So I'm on your initial reaction. I used DJ brought up like an interesting point. DJ my house key. You mean right? Why don't you? Yeah. And literally I was like it's got in the point where I think I tweeted this the other day.

Like I don't even I caught myself the other day thinking that DJ was like Dustin Johnson's first name. And I was like trying to figure out what it stood for. And that DJ was like Dustin Johnson's first name and I was like trying to figure out what it stood for and I was like God in the 80s his name is Dustin Johnson but like I just haven't called him that years and years and years but he brought up an interesting point saying when Jason Day hits the shootout of a golf ball hits 1, 360. It's like, I don't know, I just, I'm not happy about it. Like, I'm, you know, like it almost upsets me. Like, I feel like he's got the cheat codes or something. But when DJ hits a ball, 360, it's like the most artistic, magical thing I've ever seen. I mean, when they put the pro tracer on it,

I mean, it just looked like you had the ball on a string. And almost, I mean that almost literally because of the protracer. And it was like, when he, when I had way more confidence in him to hit a fairway with driver than I did when he was taking irons off some of these short par fours. And he just hit that little butter cut that it just felt like it would hit a force field. The left side of the fairway was a force field. It would hit that. And then ricochet, the protrusor would ricochet to the center of the fairway and roll out 350 yards. I mean, it was like, I mean, the guy just, just absolutely dominated that. That drive that he hit after they told him about the potential violation. Like, right after that, the drive that he hit there was just I mean, I think was hyped

Just like right on the screws. Was it like a hundred and twenty eight miles an hour or something was his clubhead speed or something like that And guys, I think you're just tapped out at one oh seven I think what I when he came through and DJ I mean he did look extra pumped up to crank that ball But I mean man, it's just I don't know to see him I we you and I've always agreed, to kind of like, all the things that have happened to DJ, if anyone can handle him, it's him. Like, I really don't think it affects him. I didn't think Chambers Bay affected him that much. And just to see it actually come to fruition, seem to make some big putts and just had complete control. I

mean I wasn't even nervous when he hit driver on 17 or 18. I didn't get nervous at all. I didn't think of it. I would have been more nervous if he didn't get driving. I never thought like here comes the DJ disaster. I mean I will admit a little bit when the USGA thing came up and he played three pretty poor shots almost in a row and I felt like that was just gonna and and at that point I was like, he's gonna get penalized. He's losing, and I was gonna get penalized. I was like, this is perfect recipe for disaster. But in some weird way, do you think it almost,

like that whole deal almost distracted him from? Very well could be. Like the past. Yeah. I mean, like kinda just kept him in the moment. Well, I think that was just, somebody said, some of the fast kept him in the moment. Well, I think somebody said, someone of the five guys said that he was very confident

that he was just like, no, I know I'm not gonna get penalized here and he didn't think anything of it. I mean, he knows how much that actually applied because it did look to change him there for a little bit, but man. I was a little bit nervous like before they told him all that, you know, this was like kind of the middle of the front nine. He was playing really slow.

Larry, like he was really grinding on like the pods and just, I felt like he was overthinking stuff. And I'm never really, it's like I feel like he's at his best when he just knows what he wants to do and he just does it, you know, just steps up and does it. Which I got a little bit nervous when I saw him really, you know, it just steps up and does it. Which I got a little bit nervous when I saw him really, you know, trying to analyze pots and grind. Yeah, but I mean, those, I feel like some of those pins, I think he made it look pretty easy to be honest.

I think a lot of those Sunday pins are US Open pins and that every, some of the things Justin Thomas was saying about the setup after he was done. He's not a guy that usually complains about setup or anything. He was just kind of like, be careful, some of these pins on the back nine, and things are going to get very interesting here. And everyone else stumbled coming in. Everyone did.

Like Jason Day made a huge run, and he completely messed up 17, hit Miss on the wrong side of the hole. I mean, Shane Lowry just bled himself to death. That was a painful death march on the back nine there. Yeah, I've been surging you. Surging you. Surging you up 70, I was proud of him, but what about you, like 14, 15, 16 or something? Yeah, I mean, just everyone made the critical mistakes you can't make.

Even Fieryork, Bogey 18, I mean, he needs to move up a set of teas to play that 18th hole anyways. But, I mean, we're waiting for DJ to make the critical mistake and everyone else made it except for him. And it was, I don't know, it was so awesome to see. I think I always for DJ, obviously I've made it very clear that I picked him and have stretched a muscle in my back, patting myself on the back actually, but it was so rewarding to, after the speed disaster and Augusta to just have that come back.

But, I mean, the story was the USGA though. I mean, I almost feel like it was kind of a boring tournament, boring Sunday until the USGA thing happened. And, my God, I've never seen, I just, it almost felt intentional how bad they messed it up. I mean, there's not. It's a good comedy over there. I think I saw in GolfWRX, they did a poll,

do you think that the USGA handled it right? And it was 94% no, which may seem like kind of low. Or it's like impossible to get 94%. Exactly, exactly. Absolutely what I was gonna say. You can't get 94% of people in any country to agree on any one issue at all. So for them to mess up that bad,

to have the players just reigning down on them. I've never seen, I mean like imagine like Gaudel screwing up a ruling or something. You don't see every player in the league raining in on it, you know, and I just I can't believe they could have messed it up that badly and they had all that information all that horrible reaction and still went ahead and stroked him for it. Yeah This is I mean it's like the flaky rolled into like Spikes the Super Bowl and then, and then, like, amplified even more than that, where like they're giving Brady a penalty in the Super Bowl, like, on the spot, but not telling him whether he's going to get the penalty or not. That's, that's like the equivalent. It's insane. And then the fact that so what's the

point of having a referee with the group or official with the group. And the rulebook says that the officials, you know, a painting or his judgment is the final call. Yeah. So what's the point of even having an official out there? Well, it's just so counterintuitive. Here's the part I didn't want to bring up was, doesn't he need to, if he is deemed to have moved it, doesn't he need to move it back? And he didn't do that. I guess they gave him a dispensation from that

because the rules official had to locate it. So it's almost like. They're just patch working the rules official had okayed it. You know, so it's almost like. They're just patch working the rules together right now. Yeah, like, yeah, it's like they didn't want it like, you know, do double jeopardy, you know what I mean? So they can't like penalize for advice that they gave him. Do you think if he would have won by one or tied that they would have stroked him?

Uh, I do. Oh my God. or tied that they would have stroked him. I do. Oh my God. Just based on the chuckle heads that got up on, you know, live from US Open last night on golf central, that Shane interviewed there towards the end. I mean, it was like dumb and dumb or, I mean, just resolute in their bold face wrongness.

I forget what I was gonna say, but I mean, well, imagine, I mean, just how lucky we are that, I say we, I mean, we're just fans, but like, imagine the shit storm that we would be dealing with today if that would have happened, if that would have decided the championship. And the chances of DJ when this happened,

when this came back around 12, again, I think he was winning or tied for the lead at the time. The chances of him winning by multiple shots, at that point were, we're not great, I haven't imagined him. He was probably maybe like a 55% favorite to win the tournament even at that point. To win by multiple shots was not in his favor. I mean, for him to, I'm just so thankfully went out and buried that putt.

There's all three of those stripes on 18 that striped drive, this honed in iron and then the nailing the putt was just the most emphatic finish. And the crowd was so into it. I got chills. It was awesome. Yeah, it was surreal. And then the beep that almost messed him up on his approach into 18. I mean, that was insane. And he just turns around. He's like, really? I'm not sure if it was a walkie-talkie with a low battery or a camera or something like that. But it was, it was like incredibly timed. And then for him to step back up to the ball and hit it there, it was just, that was like otherworldly.

That was one of the better, that was one of the better golf shots I've ever seen. And then people can, I know everyone listen to this Loves Pro Tracer and it seems like, we may be over obsessed with it, I may make bigger deal out of it. That's where it has a profound payoff as a golf fan. My anticipation, watching where that ball was going to land, is increased tenfold by

seeing that perfect cut going towards the flag. Fox has a great job of putting the graphic exactly where the hole is. They point you an arrow where the hole is. The Pro Tracer is beaming directly towards it. I think I moved to the edge of the couch as that ball was about to land. I think that it's just a shame that it's one tournament a year we get all this protracer. I think it's so important to the viewers experience, and I cood us to Fox for how much they work in the graphic. And I'm gonna have to go to like pro tracer rehab after that.

I was thinking I was trying to make a joke with that. I was like, I like that I've been free basing so much, uh, free basing so much pro tracer that I'm gonna have the shakes tomorrow at work. So, all right. So going back to the like, so if DJ wins by one and then they've penalized going back to it, there was a really good tweet out there that it was like when all the dudes in Rudy were turning their jerseys to coach.

Like that's what should have happened. You know, if that was the scenario, it just wouldn't have been right. Yeah, my joke was, I don't know if everyone got this one, but it was, for those that haven't seen Spartacus, I forget what even the story is, but basically this guy, Spartacus, has to turn himself in at the end of the movie, and everyone in the crowd stands up and says, I'm Spartacus, I'm Spartacus, and like in solidarity with Spartacus, and that's what I was hoping would happen. and I think we would have seen something like

I don't know I just have a hard time believing like Shane Lowry would have gone out Well, maybe that's a bad example because he actually did get penalized in a similar fashion But he what I mean it was he I guess admitted that he what he his act can cause him to move the ball It was and again the overwhelming majority of people are saying that they're deciding with DJ, but I've seen at least a couple people be like, he was taking prex jokes that close to the ball. It probably was him that caused him to move it.

Like DJ. Like something like 14. Exactly. And they're Poana Greens, like, come on. Exactly. You know, it's later in the day, like, that's absurd. Yeah. Oh, it was just a horrible combination.

But my point is, DJ is the last person I would ever suspective, like, I don't want to say the word cheating or like even playing that loose. And you know, I learned a lot of my respect with Lee Westwood. Lee Westwood was riding for DJ from every point. That was something that I was going to bring up to you, man. Like, Lee Westwood, he was all class all the way. Like, you know, at one

point, he was just trying to kind of get out of the way. Another point, you know, like all the post game stuff, him and his caddy were just top notch. Those, those, those huge on their part. Yeah, I mean, unfair to me to take a dig at the Westwood. He does have a lot of experience in this situation. But, I mean, unfair to me to take a dig at the last word. He does have a lot of experience in this situation. But yeah, he such seems like such a cool dude and I know you're a fan of Westwood. I'm a fan of Westwood. I made a couple jokes at his expense and forks down Sunday. But that that that kind of sticks with me. I mean, the fact that he was adamant, he

wanted to make sure that the players they they care about the rules, they want the rules to be done right. And I swear to God in this exact same scenario, this happened to Bubba Watson, I would be equally as upset and writing for it that I both thought this was unfair. Like, I just, and I didn't enjoy people, like, takes on his drop that he got on 10. I mean, what did you think about that? People were fired up about that. I was blow within the rules. Definitely. And so, I mean, yeah, in that rough, that tower is definitely in his way. And did he get a break from it? Of course, he got the drop in shorter rough, and he can just, but that was the whole point. Now he can carry it over that thing.

That tower is no longer in his way And so that it's it's within the rules of the game for anyone calling that even remotely shady. I don't understand that at all, but It's not like but buff a few years ago at and Phoenix like was underneath a bush and then tried to claim that it was there was ants underneath it And that's why you need a got like a free, beautiful drop. That's a little different, I think. So, I'm a little bit steam that some of the people that have come out, I think overwhelmingly everybody was just, just, rabidly, so, seriously, just, dodging the USGA. I mean, Rory's Tweet that he fired off as DJ was going down, 18 and he's stuffed and I'm not sure if it's like take take that USGA or case to USGA or something, but that was spectacular

I mean for for the big cat to call it Farsicle that was great but I saw if he takes out there kind of Letting the USGA off the hook because they only because their amateurs at this and they only run a couple tournaments a year. And it's like, all right, then bring in somebody who knows how to run big tournaments. But you're giving like $1.8 million to the winner. And if anything that the USGA should be able to handle, it's the rules.

That's what they're in charge of. I mean, I can understand a little bit of tournament logistics being not handled perfectly, but they've also done this for years. They know how to run a tournament. They do a good job running a tournament overall. They get them, I mean, course set up and other things are a different topic. They handle the logistics and Fox doing a US Open last year.

A lot of the logistics and a lot of the basic stuff was their big screw ups, right? First time doing it, that's not the issue with the USGA running a tournament. And again, it's the rules of the game that you are in charge of. There's no, there's anything you can do to handle that. This is nothing to do with the way the tournament was run. No. And everything, just like, this could have been, you know, some, some Walker cut match or something like that and it would still be the same principle behind it like you penalize this so yeah it was and then how about the USGA president oh my god I mean I don't know who I don't know who stuck around and watched the trophy presentation but I I I felt bad even tweeting something about it. I mean, either the only pass I'll give her is

that she was just been dealing with this crazy shit storm for hours and just looked like she had seen a ghost. I mean, she couldn't even talk. I mean, I'm hoping that's the case and that she wasn't shit hammered. I can't imagine that she was, but it definitely looked like she was just having a Sunday, fun day out there. I think she had a transfusion at the Turner. I mean, just, you know,

she's, I try to do a little research on her because I didn't know it's much about her. She lists her home as the St. Simon's Island, Georgia, which she probably plays at C. Island and Puerto Rico, and it was from Forest and all those places, but I couldn't find that information anyway. Like I'm trying to figure out more about this, but like the USGA, like it shouldn't be at least list their home course. Like if you're a USGA exec. Yeah, what are you getting for at that though?

I don't really know. No, I just like to know more about who this person is. Why is she the USGA president? You know why is she uniquely qualified to do that? I know she's got a you know decent business resume but you know it just seems it just seems strange. All of it seems strange with the USGA. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think conduct all the shit in secrecy. It's just weird. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I'm never, I don't remember the USGA ever getting involved like this though.

Like, I mean, part of me wonders whether or not this was intentional from a, from a buzz creating perspective. Like Twitter was buzzing. Like, there were people chiming in from everywhere. I guarantee this helped with the ratings. I promise you it did. So it's like the no, you know, there's no such thing as bad press kind of thing.

I mean, because they were getting just straight up eviscerated. Yeah, I'm thinking that's what they were going for. And I'm trying my best to understand what they were going for. That's the closest thing I can come up with. I mean, some of this, like you got like Ron Witton from cough digest, like some pretty old school, like, you know, journalists that are just, you know, don't fire off too many hot pigs and he would just like, this is bullshit, like the USG, I mean, there was just some unbelievably fiery takes

coming out of people that you would have never even thought. I mean, and for Rory, Ricky, Big Cat, Speed. Speed, all of them to chime in, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right as all this was happening, it was just like the perfect storm, it's unbelievable. Well, and that's what is crazy is I've not even seen like the low hanging fruit hot take people,

even try to take the opposite side. You know, there's always somebody that's gonna do, oh, SB2K was not good or, but yeah, no one is willing to take the opposite side on this one, even for the sake of clicks, which, yeah, I mean, it sucks that it kind of dominated the story, but it also kind of added to the legend of what DJ did, and he just kind of threw the middle finger at them. And, it'd be, I'd be interested to see how another, a different player would react to that.

I mean, I don't know, would somebody like Rory or Speed, or somebody be able to handle that as well as DJ did? I really don't know. I think I feel like Rory or somebody tweeted they would have just like stood right there on the 12th tier or wherever they told them and just like post it off and just refuse to play anymore until they figured out what the issue was. It almost seemed like it could have even distracted other players more than it did DJ. I mean I know know that they had to inform all the other players and then from what I'm hearing from people that were there, just the buzz of the place was just weird. It was just, nobody knew what was going on.

People were booing and stuff, yelling at the refs out there, it's like, this just turned into a basketball game. I mean, oh, man. So you're having Porter on tomorrow? Yeah. a basketball game? I mean, oh man. So you're having Porter on tomorrow? Yeah, so the plan was to have Porter on. So I asked Porter to a US Open podcast. Did you want to do a recap or a preview? He said, let's do recap, stick with tradition.

And he wins the lottery today, and he's playing Oakmont. So I was like, I can't wait another day to do this. So I'm doing two podcasts this week. I'm going to do one with Porter tomorrow. But I was like, I got to have Tron on. I know he's got some takes to do this. So we'll do two, I'm doing two podcasts this week. I'm going to do one with Porter tomorrow, but I was like, I got to have Tron on. I know he's got some, got some takes to fire up as well. I can't wait to hear what Porter says. It will be good. The boots on the ground. Exactly. Yeah. I want to, it'll be a different perspective and, uh, and yeah, it's going to be, that's going to be.

Got to have mercy on his soul today. Planned out there though. Um, I doubt they even mode the green, so I'm sure he's just not. There's the meme potential. I'm sure they won't do it because they won't want to piss people off from the media perspective. But the meme potential for being out there today is excruciate, it's killing me. Like the opportunity to make fake controversy

or do like a DJ situation, I don't know exactly how it would work, but it could be done very easily. So what I know you have some takes on Ocmann overall, I think we disagree a little bit on USGA course setup. But how did you think the Ocmann play? I like the setup. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of making lemonade out of lenders because it was just, I mean, the weather kind of precluded some of the, you know, some of the plans they had

for a plan firm and fast, but I love all the half-par holds. You know, that's something that I think has really been lost over time and golf and it's kind of getting, I love to see that kind of getting back to that. I mean, I think it's fascinating just how much more creative guys have to be on some of those half-par holes. And I mean, some of those guys were getting ejected on, is that number two? Yeah, yeah. You know, that was a cool, that was a really cool to watch.

I didn't think it got too Mickey Mouse. You know, I thought some of the pens were tough, especially in his first few holes and then there were a few on the back nine, but I didn't think it was anything too Mickey Mouse. That topic was set up was solid. Yeah, I think I think the rain did them a favor. I mean, I'm sure they would have liked it harder, but I'm sure they didn't like. First of all, the worst storyline ever is, oh, you know the members can't like seeing this. Why? Who the hell cares about the O'Conn membership?

Like, who can, they don't get to determine how hard this golf course plays during a US Open. But I don't know, I thought I tweeted something like this and I said it rewarded good golf. It punished you for bad golf. There was a certain spot you couldn't miss it. Great risk reward shots. I love the way 17 played. I mean you could see if you miss on the right side of that you're easy birdie or not easy birdie but you're not making more than four.

You missed the wrong side there. You could be making five. Two was a little ridiculous in that it just seemed like there was only there wasn't much of a place you could hit the ball and not have it roll all the way off but yeah it was kind of insane that certain guys were landing it even like you know, in New York short and it was you know just it was trembling all the way over the back yeah the fairway is wide yeah go ahead sorry you know kind of going back I'm like it was the perfect example of like why par is irrelevant yep you're pulling you know it was just that was perfect it's like I don't I don't really care if it's a par three or a par four and it's two 90 or three oh five. Like I don't really give a shit.

It's the same hole and everybody's playing the same hole. Yeah, I was talking to Charles Hall about that last week. And he took the words on a mouth. I was like, if number eight, the 300 yard hole or whatever was a part four, everyone would say it's the greatest hole in the world. Oh my God, so many options. But you make it a part, it is very silly.

It's right. I think that the USDA does a good job of creating those half holes exactly like that. And they give you a hard one quote on quoteling back on some of the players moving away from the course, I think I didn't give proper due. I don't think to shame Lowry on Twitter this week. He was so nails for those first three days. Well, sorry, for basically Saturday and early morning, Sunday was really all I saw of him. But it got, I got the vibe of Danny Willett at the Masters in that back nine where the he seemed just that that I was not gonna

I was rooting against them because I was obviously rooting for DJ, but it felt his lead felt very safe to me Like he couldn't miss a shot I felt like he was putting from 10 feet for birdie on every hole in the same way that I was rooting against Willett and I never felt confident It was gonna slip away, but I saw a couple of European guys that fall in Twitter, were like, I just heard Lowry's interview and he sounds nervous like before that Sunday round. And for somebody to point that out, it's guys that follow that are very,

I don't know if smarts right word, they don't over dramatize things. So like, they were pointing it out and I was like, okay, this could get interesting and it did just Even like the front line. Yeah, I thought about not supposedly as weakness Yeah, it's supposedly his weakness and yeah, I once once those guys were pointing that out to again I don't know his game that well once those guys were pointing it out. I was like, okay This this can't last forever, can it?

His can't go on. But I mean, when he had a four shot lead on Sunday morning, I thought I really did think he was gonna win. And I think I placed a bet on him when he was up by four and he was still getting better than plus 100 odds on him. I think I did place a small wager thinking, I, he's got to close this out. And I was kind of hedging my happiness

because I was not rooting for him, unfortunately. But kind of a, kind of a hate to say, but kind of a typical Sergio major performance, I would say. Man, when he got up and down on, I can't remember which hole that was, it's like, I don't know, like 13 or something. It was like 12 or 13. He got up and down from like, you know,

70 yards out, I was like, this is hit man, now for part of it. This is it, this is it, and then you know, I still think he's gonna win a truth. Really? That's your call. Yeah. Okay. I call, I'm with Sarsam on that one, he's winning a truth. Wow, okay. on that one. He's winning at truth. Wow. Okay. DJ is going to top-flat it. Okay. I'm sticking with Rory. I think he stayed away from the Jetski's last night. I'm sticking with Rory to win at Trune.

I'm just feeling the wave of momentum for my preseason picks. Get your money in on Capka for the PGA now while you can. May end in horrible heartbreak for you, but I don't know, I don't know a ton about how true in plays, but I think those British Open courses in general kind of all play pretty similar. It's not like the US Open when the courses are pretty drastically different, but looking forward to next year, I don't think, I don't know a whole lot about Aaron Hills other than it's super long, it's in the middle of nowhere. And all the media that have been there to visit it,

just talk about how far it is for them to get to the course and how there's nothing around it. And don't tell us anything about the actual golf course, which is the opposite of the players. I heard it plays shorter than the stated distance though. It has to. It's like 8,000 yards. Yeah, yeah. But it actually, you know, like the players, players should like it. But I guess they said the same should about, you know, Chambers pay. Right. That's what it was. Which blew me away this week when they showed a highlight from last year of, you know, the 18th hole in speech was hitting his second shot. And I think it was almost just like that was that was like an

imagined tournament like it almost doesn't feel real even today just looking at the burned out greens and you know it was just so visually brutal. It's exact if if got a golf tournament was to be played on another planet that's how I would picture it. Like that. If that, I mean, it was, it was, it emphasized how much of a comedy of errors that course was last year, just seeing the contrast between this course. And how, just how everything about the Oakmont just seemed like, I mean, it was. It's a course that just kind of almost built to host these kind of tournaments. I know they designed chambers specifically to host the US Open, course that's just kind of almost built to host these kind of tournaments. I know they designed Chambers specifically to host the US Open, but that's just just so tainted by the USGA EGO and they wanted this whole functionality of Chambers Bay and the ability to move these T's around all over the place and

place their EGO all over the place and whereas Oakmont is just Oakmont and they trick it up a little bit, grow the rough up and try to make it firm. But... And chambers, I think, was, I just don't like the design. And it's like, people can say what they want about the ground's crew, and I feel a little bit bad for those guys last year, getting the brunt of that. But like, they're, you know, it's just not, I just don't think it's a good design. And then, you know, oakmont, it just blows me away

that this was the guy that designed it. It was his first crack. Really? Designing the golf course. Yeah, that's nuts. How? I thought the vibe was kind of, I think the little weather related, but the vibe was a bit off until, after, the back nine on Sunday.

Just didn't feel like there was a ton of energy in the crowd. I don't know if the Fox and Mike just weren't picking it up very well, but even I saw a lot of bleachers that looked pretty empty, I feel like. I mean, what did you think of the overall attitude? Yeah, I felt kind of the same where even down the back, nine, like you just like a lot of those bleachers were three quarters empty. You know, from what I heard from people that were there early in the week, a couple of days or there early in the week and a couple of days or there early in the week, and they said the logistics were

really tough there. You know, really tough to move people around the golf course and get from one whole or the other, you know, there's a lot of choke points there. So, but, but yeah, it did seem a little bit subdued, but I think, you know, I think some of that was, you know, people, people really couldn't get an arithomist first few days. Yeah. So I know you're working on a piece that kind of summarized and analyzed Fox's coverage what did you want to give us some some some instant take feedback on what you thought from Fox?

Yeah, I thought they were great You know, I couldn't done with Jack Nicholas in the booth yesterday I was like don't we don't we suffer through this, you know, all props to the goal of a better whatever, but don't we suffer through this for like a whole day at the Honda and then like a whole four days at the memorial every year? I think the extend the memorial coverage just to give him rights for time in the booth. I mean, it is, it is my dad pointed this out to me once. And I realized we're talking about the greatest player

that we're playing in this game and is a legend. And we probably shouldn't talk about it in this way. But ever since my dad pointed this out when Jack talks, he just said, listen to how many times he says, I. And he really just brings everything back to himself in Patrick Reed fashion, that it's almost impressive. I mean, what the kind of twist that he can put on stuff to bring everything back to himself in Patrick Reef fashion, that it's almost impressive. I mean, it was the kind of twist that he can put on stuff to bring it back to himself, but ever since that, I can't stand listening to him talk. And it really, I know he's supposed to have

all these legendary stories by Swear I've heard the same stories 18 times from him. And his placing there just seemed, it did seem weird. It almost almost seemed like sponsor like he was the host of the event Yeah, and then the you know the whole matter of the end. I don't know. It was just that was bizarre Yeah, I thought I would have loved I think Barcelot trend had to be he said I need a hot mic on a senior coming back from this commercial break like I need To breathe like it was you could tell A's and you're just trying not to just lose it on that USGA official yeah and then yeah I thought it was a

little bit awkward I mean hey props to Fox for going to do it you know sorry sorry you cut out you cut out there a little bit say it that props to what props the Fox for going the distance Friday and Saturday. Yeah, those were marathon days I thought it was a little bit awkward when they went to that Shane O'Connor heat guy Everyone's a while And I really didn't understand what Mark Brooks's place on the coverage was That's I am with you on all of those takes right there. I thought there, there, I can only, again, we're not television producers.

I can't imagine it's that easy to move around a bunch of programming, advertising space and all of that on that short notice to get extra time added to your TV window. Definitely was the right call and I think they were at least had some kind of protocol in place in case of bad weather, but Props to them for getting that taken care of I know some racing fans were a little pissed off at stuff getting to FS2 But I could could not care less about that Shane O'Donohue I eat nothing wrong with him. I just don't feel like I'm watching a big time tournament when he's talking, you know?

And Mark Brooks, yeah, he was not very good at all. I didn't understand what his role was, Mark Brooks. I thought, I thought, I thought, Azinger was fantastic. I thought Faxon was much improved here every year. Yeah, Azinger's great. I feel like Azinger had like a note cards of like a hundred things prepared to say, like one liners and stuff. I feel like he

was a little over-prepared with which is just the way he he's just gets really excited about things. Faxon, I'm not I could I could think I could do without Faxon but I think Bacon's having he's having Curtis strange on his pod today. Yeah I'll be curious listen to that too. I think that'll be yeah I think fantastic. I don't know if I like Curtis out on the course I think in the booth. He's good. I think Curtis is good I think him and Azing are doing back and forth in the booth would be is better than him out on the course, but I agree Yeah, I'm about that dude Brownie. Oh My god

I was loving it really Oh god, I couldn't just a little bit of color. It was like it was hilarious. Oh, God, I couldn't hear that. He's just like a little bit of color. It was like, it was like everything that CVS tries to do with Fowdo, like if both had wacky vibe, but like they actually pulled it off on thought. I thought the brownie points were hilarious. All right, if you're watching a major though, ranked in networks right now, who you want covering them? I still want NBC.

I think NBC is the top, just because Johnny is just so salty all the time. I love that. And then Fox Fox is a steady second place. And then probably along with ESPN, I thought ESPN did a really good job. Last few years with the masters and then British Open was fantastic last year. Obviously they're not doing that again, but and then CBS is just a million miles behind. I was going to say I was going to have Bravo Network, MTV, VH1 and the CW. Does that channel still exist? I'd have them on before I'd have CBS, but I Would even put TBS didn't TBS cover part of the PGA or TNT? I think they do

Yeah, yeah, it's like EJ yeah, uh Joe Buck solid. I'd say I mean yeah I used to hate the guy straight up. You used to hate him. I thought that article in the ringer was good I just I always had a grudge against him when he, he, I was always the big Randy Moss fan growing up and he just, just lambasted Randy Moss for moaning the crowd. Fake moaning, it wasn't even a real thing. Yeah, and you know, I was just, I was like, I'm out on block, this guy's an area to prick. And I'm totally, totally in on him now. Guys are total fucked.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's not like, he wouldn't be my favorite person calling golf, but I mean, it was a noticeable transition going from Shane O'Donnell to Joe Buck. And I think he mixed in a couple like terms that aren't golf terms at all. And there were a couple times you could just tell he's a little bit lost, but a much improved from last year. And I think a lot of that's on the producers, though, as well. I think he was just kind of in the out there blind a little bit last year. And I was heartbroken and I'd see Kurt Manifey back out

there this year. Oh, I think the perfect thing would have been if they could have gotten Mike Care Mike Kerry in there. Oh God They were they had that I like that David say and but it's funny. They would go to him before he had a clue on what was going on yet David do you have any idea well? I haven't talked to anyone out there I've been Zinger would be going back and forth and like Zinger was almost Like the the Mike Kerry he was like that's the rule and then Fay was like actually no That's that's completely wrong

That happened like three times in a row. It was hilarious But a couple other takes I had Was glad to see Matthew Fitzpatrick playing well Until he kind of blew up on Saturday there. I thought Baba was going to just have a meltdown on Sunday. You know, playing, playing, I thought Ted Scott, we were going to be tweeting you a little juice for him today. And then, how about Danny Willett, Like breaking his driver because he was so pissed off about his playing partners playing slow.

Do we know that that's the reason? That's what I've heard that from multiple people. You have? Okay. Yeah. There was a reason I didn't necessarily believe that. But that's on him. You got to come on, man. I mean, it's, it's, you got to keep your cool. I didn't necessarily believe that, but that's on him. You got to come on, man.

You got to keep your cool. It's US Open. There was five hours. There wasn't anybody playing less than five hours out there. You can't slam it your club in the ground and break your club because it pays a play. He was playing with Rory too. He wasn't paired with speed or anything like that. No, I think it was I think he was paired with like this Cameron Smith and like Kim Wilkinson.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I think it was stirring, but I totally understand why you didn't give credence to it. Yeah. You know, from the start. I did hear it from a couple other people. Okay. So, let's see here. Something else, I think I'm all in on John Rom.

The Rom Threat. The Rom Threat. Already got a nickname. Yeah, he's a stud. I got a lot of tweets about people saying that he's wondering how many Charles Schwab cup points he picked up for the team. Yeah, he does.

He does. This looks do not be like that, but yeah, a couple guys, I followed in the college golf scene. I kind of checked with them. I said, you know, what's the word on this kid? Is he cool? And they said, not sure how a D.S is is going to make trousers big enough to fit his Cods and then love, love pizza beer and chicks with big racks. I mean, enjoy talking about all three. He also gained about 50 pounds in his first two years at ASU.

So he's just living the jury. Oh my God. Wow. Sounds like a complete savage. Somebody somebody I can I can root for. Oh my god, wow Just like rice into shambos, right? Good showing from him. I don't remember what he seemed remember what he finished at but I Don't know I I'm willing to kind of look past as the personal things and just kind of enjoy his game and his contribution to the game So I think it's gonna be's going to be interesting and I think in talking to a few guys. It's like, what's your opinion on them out there? And they're like, I mean, he's tries way too hard. You're not that special, dude. Everybody out here is unique, but you can

mash the ball. We, a lot of respect for his game. So... Yeah, I think Gals needs a couple more kind of villain characters. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, how about you, Rick? Capca. I was just going to say huge charge, um, it faded, unfortunately. Uh, it sucks because I really wanted to get like a top five, just to rack up some writer cup points because just so we can avoid the whole, the cappons pick catastrophe because I can still see that happening but

yeah can we talk about his quote? yeah we can. Well he was okay so he birdied seven holes in a row and then lipped birdies on the next two holes. The second one wasn't a lip it like rested on the lip so it didn't quite lip out. But he almost made nine birdies in a row, and he thought he was going to shoot 60 or 61 at a US Open. I mean, how many guys will we'll say that after around? So, you guys might think of it, but how many guys are going to stay up on the podium and say that after around?

That was fantastic. Yeah, that was, that was, how about, so I'm just going through the I'm going through the leaderboard here J. Day played the last three days in minus four. Oh my god Which is crazy good Uh, Brandon Grace played the last three days in Linus three Now play the last three days in minus four Didn't Did those guys those guys have the good side of the draw? I don't remember We now play the last three days in minus four.

Didn't, did those guys, those guys have the good side of the draw? I don't remember in that group, I felt like the guys that went out early on Thursday got the bad draw. That's for sure. I'd agree with that, yeah. It helped like for DJ to go out and just pound 36 holes on Friday and then basically get to rest, sleep in on Saturday and yeah. I think Justin Ray and Big Niggles need to just do a deep dive on just kind of chop up all these stats and kind of do a deep dive on who really had the advantage this week because there was so many other variables as far as, you know, I mean certain guys playing at 36 holes on Saturday you know.

Yeah I mean it's just kind of the thing that even as of that Thursday morning people were saying all this morning draw is the best draw right because it's soft out here and then you know 36 hours later it's completely different scenario and you you're like, okay, a morning group probably actually didn't get too good. But, long week, I mean, just a lot of like the hours were really screwed up. And watching in Europe, man, was hard. It was really hard. Sure. Yeah, because it felt like, at least like, yeah, I had a game plan for yesterday

because I wanted to stay up and watch the Caves game too. Golf ended around 2am. Caves ended around 5am. So I golfed Sunday morning, came home, NAP for two hours, watched the end of the third round, and then slept four hours in the afternoon. It was the most beautiful day in Amsterdam. And everyone's out, the bars are overflowing, and I was NAP for four hours,

because I knew I had to stay up all night. But I woke up this morning, feeling great great even though I slept like maximum three hours probably two and a half last night because yeah, Cab, I just did not think Dustin Johnson and LeBron James could come through on the same day. I said it was like betting on DJ or counting on DJ to win and then him winning was like betting like winning betting on a number in roulette winning taking those earnings and then just doubling down on that same number on LeBron thinking that you would win again or like playing Russian roulette. Two rounds of Russian roulette with four bullets in the gun instead of one but oh my

god it happened to the kid it was just one One last takeaway I've got is Spencer Levine's performance on Saturday. I'm just completely melting down. That was spectacular. That was probably the highlight of the weekend. Let himself on fire. More than the DJ. Yeah. You know, just just let nuts in that vine. I'll post that again if nobody else is. I was like on my way to dinner to Uber, and like, I was just like, oh my God, I left the TV at the complete wrong time, you know. That's the risk you run, it's the risk you run.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think, I don't know, we're kind of in this major season now too, where I have a hard time getting ants for the tournaments in between the majors. So, it's one of this week, quicking loans, getting an amp for the tournaments in between the majors. That's why this week, Quicken Loans, Big Head of Mutation, and then it was a Green Briar, and then... I think it's bridge down.

Oh, it's right. It's really screwed up to see. Oh my God. I don't even know why. That is the worst tournament. That's one of my least favorite. Oh, that's right, because I think you have Roy skipping that this year. He's playing the French open. That's one of my least favorite. Oh, that's right, because I think you have. Roy's skipping that this year.

He's playing the French open. That's right. I can't get used to this schedule this year, but it's about to get so nuts here in the near future. But yeah, I'm actually headed to Ireland this weekend to play some golf. The shoulders. The shoulders got it back together.

Meeting up with Barry O'Hanrahen from the Good Talks poiled podcast. We're going to play I think 72 holes with the weather cooperates this weekend. We're all playing. I don't know yet. We're still working out the tea times. But if anybody, I doubt there's any Irish golf course superintendents or pro-proshop attendees that are listening to this and want to sponsor some people, but if there are Let us know if you have any recommendations for courses around the Dublin area. Please send them my way, but Yeah, I'm curious to get your take on Irish golf. I've never played

Ireland or Scotland but I've heard just Glowing things about Ireland. Yeah, I'm excited to see what the style is like I mean Scotland's very different style golf obviously, but I think it doubles. I think Ireland's gonna be a little bit of a bridge in between Scottish golf and American golf, but I think it's gonna be green because it looks like it's gonna rain a lot in between there like it does in Ireland,

but yeah, I'm pumped to see it, so. All right, Tron, for those that haven't seen it yet, nolingup.com looks a lot different now. We've finally redesigned the website. We are going to work hard on getting more and more content on the website. Hopefully we'll see your piece on Fox here shortly sometime this year. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, tell us what you want to see. So we love to feedback, keep it coming.

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You had a battle in Sergio too. So you were you had a lot you had a lot of things covered there That's a culminating moment it was awesome. It's very weak So looking forward to talking with Porter tomorrow. Trollen will catch up with you soon. Thanks buddy. Sounds good to see you. Say this, say go DJ. Go do my DJ. Say go DJ. Go do my DJ. Say go DJ. Go do my DJ.

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