No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 436: Sunday PGA Championship Recap

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

PHIL HAS DONE IT! Golf history is made, and we do our best to debrief from a historic day in sports. We chat about Phil's career, his shots of the day, the panic moments, Brooks, Louis, Kiawah, and everything else from a memorable week in golf.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Folks, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast slash live show. Sully here. We are live from the Kill House DJ Pies here on the ones and twos.

Greetings Phil has won the PGA. T.C. People have been asking if you've been suspended. Your suspension has been lifted for this emergency situation. Calling in from a location TC is here. Hello TC. TC live from the courtyard Springfield Philadelphia. Happy to be here. Oh my God. It's been like, I try to get something like this out on Twitter. Like it's been 52 hours of like wondering if this is going to happen. Then I'm kind of numb to the fact that they just, that this just happened. But we're gonna get into all of that.

If you couldn't tell what that man who drove it like a stallion, for a while there, it looked like the horse was on him, but for the most part, he drove it like a stallion with the new epic speed driver from Callaway. It also seemed like he had enough of a cushion of a lead that he was lagging, putts close to the hole, just to make sure he got the Callaway triple track logo in in the shot just making sure you know he's checking the right boxes. But if you couldn't tell he's playing he's gaming the chrome soft ex golf ball.

Something alright so go to calligolf.com slash w ow which is world of wonder. It's an in depth look of how this driver came to life. I think it was they were saying was five degrees of loft. I think it's six degrees though. Something like that. Just completely absurd with this guy has been doing with the driver. There's also an interview there with Garrett Pond

who fits and builds his clubs. And I try to tell you guys, go watch the, the what's in the bag that he did for Augusta for how his bag comes together for the masters. And if you don't realize how much of a complete and total psycho that guy is, then that video will, we will show you that right there. But cowwagolf.com for all that information.

Big Dave Cowley, I'd say. Phil Beckle said, six time major champion. What the hell? He's a sociopath, man. I was like, I watched that, I watched that master's bag thing and it was, it was one of those jarring things I think I've ever seen. He said he took, I forget what he takes out like a a sand wedge, you never have to hit a full sand wedge or something at Augusta.

So he took that out of the bag and adds, that's where he does the extra driver or whatever to would he wants to put in the bag or whatever, but yeah, holy shit man, I'm still getting. I love the putter. How about the putter this week? Like Keith Mitchell had a great tweet. He's like everybody's talking about arm lock

and 48 inch drivers. Toe swing, M-O-I, all these different things. He's just using a piece of titanium or whatever it's been. It's all ancient. Yeah, it's so creative. It's the ultimate flex. It is. And switching to the claw on the 71st hole

for a put that absolutely needed to go in was only one man is capable of doing that just sneaking that in there. Well, so all right, let's, I don't know how to where to even start with trying to digest this, but I found the Phil's reaction to it all afterward to be not not indifferent, but it was just surprising. It was way more matter of fact for a historic moment in golf history than I would have thought. I don't know if I expect more jubilation, more emotion, but did anybody else feel somewhat similar? Yeah, I think that's what I said. We were kind of talking about it before. I don't know if anybody,

you know, if you guys had watched his press conferences and his kind of meetings with the media all week, but it was super, super interesting in that usually he's so talkative, he's so like, let me explain to you how exactly I just did what I did. I've got all the time in the world. Let me break this down for you. And he was almost very hesitant to even want to talk about anything. Amanda, I thought brought it up in a really good way. And the last, you know, the last question when everybody's out in the putting green,

she's kind of emceeing out there was like, okay, you've kind of kicked it down the road here. You know, you haven't really wanted to talk about it. You keep saying, like he even said this on Thursday, like, yeah, I'm on the top of the leaderboard now, like, great, like, let's, we're not talking about till Sunday. We're not talking about till Sunday. And I kind of thought he would almost like, you know, it would be a breakdown,

but I kind of think it speaks to, like man, this moment is pretty massive. Like almost, it's one of those, like it feels so storybook and fairy tale and all, it almost feels like so cliche. That like of course it's Phil, of course it's on this golf course, of course none of this makes sense. Like it's almost like too big to wrap your head around.

And that's what it feels like to us. So like I can't imagine what it feels like to him I Mean he's been a parody for not a short period of time really with the coffee stuff And I keep plays on the champion store like he you know, I was just thinking about like he's gonna be coming to Jacksonville in the fall to play in the champion store Then I was like well, I wonder that's still on now that he just want a freaking major championship He's the defending champion at a big sea level. Right.

He's got to play that one then. Yeah, as he won two or three, we don't have to get even the champions to our talk, but he's won two or three, right? I mean, I feel like it's almost like, I don't think it's totally, I don't think he let himself get ahead of himself. And then I got the sense that he hasn't even wrapped his head around it yet. Right. I don't think like I feel like that's why there wasn't a he wasn't opening a vein or there wasn't some big release to where it's like he yo I just climbed back up like I got knocked down

off the top of the mountain at 51 years old or 50 years old and I just climbed back up. Holy shit, I can't believe it. And it's going to take him three, four, five, you know, days or four weeks to kind of figure this out. And then we've got the, we got the US open and Tory. Oh my god. We got, let's, we'll put a pin in that. We're going to get to that. I see people in the comments clamoring for Randy. Listen, when we scheduled out the podcast for this week, we did not have Phil Freakin-Mickelson in the models to be winning on this Sunday. Phil said, I'm worried. I'm worried. I haven't talked to Randy. I texted him earlier. I said, hey, are you going to make it? He was seeing off at Philly Cricket Club today at 3 p.m. And the most, just like poorly planned thing I've ever, ever seen. And I haven't heard from him since. So I think he's totally committed to his round

and he's gonna be jubilation afterwards. I was gonna say he's at a net Jets corporate event, of course, and was unable to get there to watch the final round. But I will say, I learned his way into the locker. Randy has an invite link. So as soon as he gets on,

I literally don't know what he's doing, but he could be napping, he could be playing golf, he could be, who knows? He's not put this on us. In the comments, do not put this on us. Direct that at Randy. But point is, Randy's got an invite link in his email. So if he gets done, he could be popping in here at some point.

We'll see. Hey, I played golf today. I figured out a way to make it work. That's so brave of you, man. So brave. So brave. So really, maybe you're not as big of a filfant as all of us thought. Exactly. So let's unpack that scene on 18. I a Phil fan as as all of us thought exactly.

So let's unpack that scene on 18. I mean, we got a lot of golf shots. Some pack we got a we have a lot to unpack. Let's just for everyone that loves when I say unpack a lot. That's that's for you. So it was bored. It was like 95% really cool. And then like 5% like I kind of felt a little uncomfortable with how everything

unfolded out on 18. They broke contain Brooks was not happy. I don't know if you saw this TC, Brooks had some quotes that he said, some people was, someone was trying to make a move at one of his knees or something like that, I'll get the direct quote. But he, you know, he said it wouldn't have been a big deal if he wasn't banged up,

but yeah, it hurt a little bit because he was so nicked up. Huh, yeah, I didn't see any of that. I was, we were heading back from the restaurant we were at. And then yeah, I mean, Brooks, you know, Brooks is an athlete. He's got to be prepared for that after a football game, after a basketball game, people. It was a true. The band is on the field out there.

You know, you got to get your head on a swivel. He's going to be the one to bitch about this. Come on, man, we can't have it both ways. No, the quote, the quote is it would have been cool if I didn't have a knee-to-head on a swivel. He's gonna be the one to bitch about this. Come on man, we can't have it both ways. The quote is, it would have been cool if I didn't have a knee injury and got dinged a few times in the knee in that crowd because no one gave a shit personally. But if I was fine, yeah, that would have been cool.

Which honestly, I'm with Brooks on that. I don't wanna be stagio, man, but they definitely lost control out there. And if I was Phil, I would've been a little, I don't know, freaked out, but like, just all of a sudden being swarmed by a bunch of like super sweaty, super drunk dudes like grabbing at you. Yeah, it's not cool.

Yeah, there was no, there was no, there was nothing behind them. Like they let the ropes go and then it was a total yeah, scram going forward. It was, yeah. It was. It was very reminiscent of, I'm with you, it was 95% fucking awesome. The visuals are unbelievable. And like that, I was trying to, there's no way to get this out in the tweet, but I was

trying to come to like, what a feeling of following a sport, what a rewarding moment for golf fans, for following a sport for as long as we have following somebody's career for 30 years of like, there is almost nothing that can happen aside from the cat winning one of these at 50 that can compare to like all of the emotional energy we've invested in one guy. If you're gonna pick, this would be number two,

obviously behind fill of this generation of like, all the memories we talked about last night on the show of like all the memories we talked about this last night in the show, like all the memories we have of this guy to like that culmination of that walk coming up 18 and even coming up 17, they actually did a great job laying out for the majority of that and you know, just given the the crowd the chance to scream, Phil doing his thumbs up and like just coming together in that moment was just like, man, it makes a lot of golf that's not that fun to watch, like almost worth it for like the one build up to a moment that actually happened.

So many times in golf, we get that heart broken, like the Watson thing and however many other times that stuff happens, Jimmy Walker happens sometimes. You gotta remember that. I'll add you to that. And like Kevin Strylman could have happened today. Could have been. I was gonna say Kevin Strylman, It could have been. I was gonna say it.

I was gonna say it. I was gonna say it. It was gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough. Streumann comes out in birdies at first too. I saw you said exactly what was on my mind earlier today, which was just like, man, yeah, this could happen and he is playing great, but like we never get this though. Like this never actually happens.

Like come on, it never actually happens. Except for the cat. Except for the cat. never actually happens. And except for the cat. The cat was good to say. Except for the cat. Like in the last three years, we got a cat and a fill, Bager, what the hell? Yeah, I would have lost that bet. Oh my god.

I think most people would have. I mean, how about the fact that I think it was Justin Ray that tweeted, of course it was Justin Ray that tweeted it out. Like he was what, 179th or 197th or something in ball striking coming into this week and he was first in ball striking. Like I think Strow's game T to green, right? I've got a lot of blood to field.

I'd like to see the odds, like who was equal odds of fill? Like imagine there was no one else that was 200 to one. He was what, 200 to one to start the week or something like that. Like two or three months. I think I was worth 75. It's 175 or 250 depending on one of the book. Like there is no chance of anyone else at those odds that could have done something like this. You know what I mean? Like let's just say George Cuccio was also at those same odds. Like there was like zero percent chance that he was going to win. Like it was a zero percent chance that he was gonna win. Like it fills the only person that would be willing,

that has the bravado and the whatever it is to like overcome incredibly long odds. Well, so I think we're probably gonna repeat a lot of, you know, we've talked about Phil now for 72 holes. So we're probably gonna repeat a lot of what we said on podcasts and live shows throughout the week, but just to underscore this again here, like the guy's 50 years old, he has been playing horrible.

He hasn't had a top 10 in a major since like, in what, five years, I don't think. I think like 2016, I think was his last top 10 at a major. He's over-caffeinated. Yes, there's all that stuff. He has. He's just sunglasses, like, like, he's trying to drive, he's swinging out of his shoes, like crazy, hitting it all over the planet

for the last five years basically. He's been, he's been talking to the Saudis for like, eight months. There's all that stuff going on. And what is even more impressive to me is like, what we talk about on this podcast, every major, every, you, every major recap is, man, there's just so many thoroughbreds.

There's JT and there's Dustin and there's Brooks and there's Rory and all these guys and Phil beat him all this week. And that was my point, I think going back to Tigers come back and really even talking about Phil all these years now when everyone's like, You know, I don't know. You think they're gonna win one. You know Can they win another one? Can they add to their resume? And it's like man if

Not only do they have to sink it all up and be so much better than they have been They have to beat all those guys on the same week and like like how unlikely is that? It's just nuts DJ and it was on a course. Yes. Yes. That prioritized driving accuracy and like just driving the ball well, which just feels fucking terrible off the scene.

Yeah. People are calling from me. People are calling for me to apologize to Randy. First of all, already did on Friday, okay? I did it on Friday because I believe my quote was, a lot less people are gonna listen to that show than the Sunday night show. Very cool of you.

Let that live and infamy. Oh, it's gonna be one of the worst calls in history. Throw it in my face as much as you want. I own that one. I still think it was a bad bet. If they were to replay this tournament right now, I would not take Phil Mikkelson to Top 40. This is a completely absurd thing that just happened.

But you know what, thinking back to... It sets the guy that bets on Jim Furek to Top 40. Like, Jim is the other way. Jim is the straightest hitter ever. Like that's a great play. You know what you're gonna get out of Fierick, but so thinking back though, on the last time we had a fill memory in a major,

was he played, I believe, you know, something along the lines of the fifth greatest performance in the history, the modern history of majors, and didn't get the W. And I remember thinking that, it's honestly kind of not something that's top of mine anymore, but I remember thinking like that's such a weird way if that's the end of his major career, such a weird way for him to kind of go out in a way because it just was like not the proper bookend to it. And now we have, when I, again, I'm not betting on to win another one, now we have

like the book end. He has not competed in one. So here's just major finishes since the runner-up at Trum. Going backwards most recently, T21, cut, T71, T55, cut, T52, T71, T18, cut, T24, T48, T36, cut, cut, T22, T33, runner up. And he skipped the 2017 US Open in there as well.

Which was wild in itself. Yes, that's a whole other thing. He went to the practice rounds and then skipped it for his daughter's graduation. I will say, I will say. I mean, I think he's got, he'll be Freddie couples, like Redux, right? Well, he will be in the mix at the masters

for the next eight to 10 years. I don't think there's maybe on. We'll be though. I mean, maybe on a Thursday and Friday here and there. Right? Like, like three of the next eight Masters, he's going to. But he hasn't even done that in the last eight Masters is my is my point. But he hasn't even contended in the in the, you know, Valspar, whatever we're talking about.

He's he's like, we're talking about the PGH Championship here. So like, whatever we're talking about. Like he's, he's like, we're talking about the PGH championship here. So like whatever were, it's totally unprecedented. But I feel like whatever he found here, he can kind of channel, right? I mean, or pebble, I mean, somewhere like pebble or going back to Augusta, it's like shit dude, like he's got the strategy now.

Like I feel like he's got the feel and he can go back to that. It's hard. Let's see, I don't know. I just don't know. I know, that's just wishful thinking. I just didn't see it coming back this way. I mean, obviously that was wrong. So I'll double down and say, yeah, I'm not betting on him

going forward, but that would be really freaking cool if he does more of these. I think that's what's so cool about golf is it feels like, you know, feels like lightning in a bottle that he caught this week, but also it was over four days and 72 holes. Like it didn't, you know what I mean? Like it's not like you can fake it

and win a golf tournament over 72 holes. And so to all both of you guys's point is like, man, do I think he's gonna, you know, just drive it that far and straight again in another major like, probably not. You know, but if he goes to a PGA where he's gonna, you know, just drive it that far and straight again in another major, like, probably not? You know, but if he goes to a PGA where it's like, I mean, he hit it fucking 365 today. Yeah.

Like if it's one of those majors where it's like, yo, blow it out there and like get it as far as you can and try to wedge it close or hit the middle of the green. Yeah. So maybe, but like, I don't know, it just doesn't seem like, I guess what I want to say is like 51 to 55 year old Phil being like the guy who drives it really straight. Like doesn't. No, that doesn't seem realistic. What I will say, I think there was a big advantage for him versus regular Phil, not like

versus the rest of the field, because everybody's having this advantage this week, but I think the past bottom greens and they're, you know, relatively flat spots. Like I feel like he didn't miss a bunch of the four footers or five footers. Yeah, but he tends to mess in a US open or at Augusta where he's like trying to split the edge

and then it doesn't break enough and it power lips and it goes seven feet by like he does. He he buried every single one of those this week because he can they're pretty flat greens and they're pretty like it, it's kind of spongy grass, you know. So he was 29th in the Strokes game off the tee for the week. If you take away that one ball that he hits in the, in the water yesterday on 13, he'd

been fourth. So like that was a minus two right there. Like he would have gained four shots off the tee. So yeah, it was a career-ish driving performance for him. But you know, it's so fun rooting for Phil. Once he's got it off the tee, I feel fantastic. Like you miss green. I'm like, oh, this is so fun because he gets everything up and down. Yeah. Rooting for that short game is, you know, compared to some of the other players, like if I'm rooting for speed, of course, like, you know, what the hell's going to happen when he

misses in a bunker? It could be he could hold it or he could make speed, of course, like, you know what the hell's gonna happen when he misses in a bunker? It could be, he could hold it or he could make double, whereas Phil's like, yeah, he might hold this or he might just make par. And- It was where like, with Phil just coming, you know, the fact that he got off the tee, like he was missing on the right side of the fairway, those first few holes,

and then his distance control was on too. So like, it's not like he was, he was nuking one out of the park. The biggest spot that just confused the hell out of me earlier was when Brooks went for it on the, he was like 285 out. And just, it was just so unnecessary. And it was like, yo dude,

like this is not the spot to really press play out of a bad line, the rough, you know. Yeah, Brooks have Phil and Phil put it in a great spot right there. And like, I felt like that was kind of, all right, like he knew where his runouts were and he knew where, where his irons were going to end up. And he really like controlled that. I think other than the miss on what was that 13 or 14 the car three, which was the most like unnecessary. The car four, the one who were hit in the water.

Yeah, that's 13. That was, yeah, to your point, that was like, there were only like two of those shots that really springed in mind for me. It was 18 yesterday. I think it was yesterday, it was that Friday. When he had like nine iron in his hand, yeah, it was yesterday.

And him and Brooks both me, those bad bogies on 18. He had nine iron and just like, nuked it like long left over the green and like a bad spot had to make that crazy up and down. That was wild and then the one on 13 today. But other than that, like, God, hit his, like it's obvious I know for the guy who won the tournament, but he drove it awesome.

He hit his iron's awesome and he putted great. Like it was, it was not a phony, like, fluky thing at all. He just beat the shit out everybody. Which I will say, as a Friday night, we were saying like, this isn't like, hold on for dear life, Phil. This is like, as dialed in as we've seen him in a long, long time. This isn't unsustainable model in any way.

The Corey Conner's modeled and it'd be actually very accurate. So he hits so many good shots from like 180 to 210 yards today. Just like really, really straight little bleaters or little, little draws that like, he was just in total control of the, of the six iron, five iron. Like, you know, got the ball where it needed to be on the green pin high. It was a clinic in that. Do you want to talk a little bit, Solid, we were talking about this a bunch throughout

the week. We kept forgetting to bring it up. Does this golf course play easier for a lefty? I have a great, I have a theory I want to throw out on this, but before we get there, I can't think of, you know, easier things to tie into a show than one Callaway into the beginning of the show. And then our next sponsor, which I'm gonna mention, because it's playoff time, there's big stakes and bigger promotions.

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They're jazz. So on this on this front and maybe TC, you can, I'm not sure if you got this far along in the left the experiment to be able to weigh in on this at the top professional level But I was just thinking about this so think about in in total theory, right? Let's just say of all golf courses half of them favor lefties and half of them favor righties Okay, yeah, and maybe that number is 80 20 maybe it's 65 35 I don't know what it is and I don't know what the individual factors are But let's throw those out for for this thought experiment, right?

So if you're left, if you're one of three or four of the best left handers in the world, think about the fact that, all right, so if it's a righty advantage course, all those righties gotta like do it out with each other anyways and their advantage is all kind of negate each other, right? And maybe you have a disadvantage on those guys

in some golf courses. But think if half of them are lefty favorite, that like you get the advantage over like 98% of the field. So imagine it could be from day to day too, like I was sped what said something about the win being potentially favorable for left handers on today or Saturday or what was it. I forget, I think he was talking about today's win.

It was talking about today. It was talking about going on the stretch today. Yeah, and it kind of doesn't matter because we got both wins I guess. But like on a certain day, like going into tomorrow, if you're saying like, all right, now if I need to make a charge, the win is actually better for me

or the way these greens are shaped, thinking about Augusta and you, that's well documented as to why that favor is left handers. But if you want to like win a lot of majors over the course of a 30 year career, wouldn't it make more sense to be doing something like that differently than the majority of players? Like just as like a really. Now you're finally seeing my glowing brain stuff. Right. And majors man. I think it's it's definitely. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a sample size. If there's I wouldn't say that. I mean, it was kind of wild that like it played so drastically

different today versus the yesterday. We're like that, that middle stretch was playing that into the wind today was just brutal. What? I mean, that's like six through 12 or 6 through 13 into the wind there. And I definitely see it where, you know, I think lefty wise, like there's certain shots, but he was probably like, if that's the case, like it couldn't have been that much of an advantage

on that many holes, right? It's a, I think it's a very specific advantage on specific holes. Right, I look like early in the week, the one that stood out to me was 17, where, you know, if you're a right-hander and that wind is, like in off the left, right? Essentially, it's the one that,

very few of these guys are hitting rope draws. The Calquin. It's the one that a lot of these guys are hitting little cuts. And I remember from, yeah, the Calquin, from the 91 Ryder Cup podcast, where they're kind of saying, it's the kind of wind where if you're hitting a three yard fade,

it's going 30 yards right, like it's that win. And think about flipping that and being a lefty and cutting it into that win is like such a difference. And it might be several instances where it works out against you, but like just cross those off. And then like for, if you have 50% of them, you have like the slight advantage in that part and there's only a small group of you

that you gotta, you know, negate that negates out that advantage. That was like the first time I% of them, you have the slight advantage in that part, and there's only a small group of you that you got to negate that negates out that advantage. That was the first time I thought of that, it was honestly this week. It was just a couple of shots were off two when it was into and off the left, watching the righties just leak into that right fairway, and then watching Phil kind of be able to cut one up against that one. That was just interesting to me. That's where I think going back to Augusta, I mean, I pulled up his finishes the last, like it's not been spectacular since,

I mean, 2015, T2 obviously missed the cut in 2016, T22, 2017, T36, 2018, T18, 2019, didn't play well in the fall and then T21, 2021. So it's not like he's been Yeah, I'm seeing or anything like that and it's like yo, like you're beating like Baba and Greg Chalmers, like those are like, yeah, that's the field like we're spread there too. But yeah, six left six lefty championships at Augustus since 2003 like that. that can't be a coincidence. So anyways, that was just a thought I had and yeah, gosh, it just, it seems to work. You were a little proud of me. We were playing, I was in Detroit yesterday at Rackham and I carried two drivers.

A couple of us. And on an honor, a fill. I hit a lefty driver on a couple of dog leg left holes so I could hold it up against. Oh my God. Because the window was kind of pumping out of the last and then hit the righty driver the rest of the day. And it was truly like, man, I am absolutely insane, but this is awesome. I'm so awesome. Can we, I mean, I feel like we need to just acknowledge the fact that really just a few

weeks ago, we were hitting stupid right handed shots with film episode. Like, did that look like a major champion that we were seeing that day? Well, hey, yeah, that was the last time it was really on the cauldron. I mean, that was the last heat of the battle moment. Yeah, I was all concerned. Like, I wanted to do something with driver that week, but it was player's

week. And I'm like, like Phil doesn't want to be hitting right handed drivers. Right. And people that know what we're talking about, we did a YouTube video where Tron's playing left, he feels playing righty and doing it closest to the pin, and Phil's saying back did of course. Yeah. And then beat my ass in the last hole, like, like, and, like, spun it back.

He's a true sociopath. Like he is. like, like, like, and like, spun it back. He's a true sociopath. Like, he's, yeah. He is a performance artist. He is, like, that's the thing that that kind of kills me is, like, he's just, he puts all this energy into all this other stuff and then he goes out and like, wins the golf tournament. Like, it's, and he does things. He's been a side show for the last four or five years. Yeah. And he goes and does this. It's like, dude, that's incredible. And he does things like as David W. The comments this. It's like, dude, that's incredible. And he does things like as David W.

at the comments pointed out, like switching to the clogger if I'm the seventh person of the nature. It's insane. Yeah. It's wild, wild stuff. I mean, gosh, you know, he ended up kind of coasting somewhat

to the wind by the down the stretch, but what a fucking nightmare back and forth that front nine was, just a circus act between him and Brooks. I didn't know what to take away from it. Porter had a great tweet of like, hey, can we just like pause this and just like play the final nine tomorrow?

Like I need like some time to unpack what just happened there on that front nine. Seriously. And that was as we said, that was Louis getting involved. Yeah, it was just, front nine was a total match play situation. Just two shots swing, three shots swing, two shots swing. Someone in the comments called Louis a professional loiterer, which I thought was pretty good.

Pretty good take. I would point him as a professional lingerer, but we can take that elsewhere. Yeah, he was like one of those people that you just bring, you're just hired for the day to come in and flip the sign. He's a hired protester. Yeah. Looking at just looking at the cards, you know, for the week, Phil really won this thing between holes seven and 11. He played seven perfectly birdied it every day,

a part eight every day, birdied nine on Friday. And then he birdied 10, three out of four days. Another one of those holes, it kind of seems to favor a lefty for where they had that pin in the back left part of the green several times. They have a back there like three times, and he was able to get back there

pretty much every time it was back there, and then birdied 11, two out of the four days as well. 10 was kind of the moment, I think, where it sunk in for me or it was like, holy shit, this is like going to happen. Brooks hit that horrible, horrible putt. That's what Brooks, yeah, one of kind of a few horrible putts and Phil makes that birdie.

I mean, that was a weird moment. I mean, when you kind of, like you mentioned it, it's all, I think, you you switch from like man it could this really happen to oh my god this is going to suck so bad if this doesn't happen right or something horrible has to or has gone wrong. You're rifling through all the different scenarios you're all right he could all right how's he going to fuck this up yeah like what what outrageous thing is possibly going to happen and it's And then you kind of start realizing, all right, it's gonna be a double here,

and a sloppy bogey, and then a par, and then another bogey. And then you start running out of holes, and you're like, all right, there's no other than 17, if you just shunks it in the water or goes long, and then blades that flop into the water from behind the green, it's like, all right, like there's no van- van developed moment, right? It's just a slow bleed.

And then once you tighten the. The bugs on 13 and 14 were, that was the beginning of it. That was, if it was going to be a bad sequence, it was going to start like that. So that was a little bit like the, the, the, the, the, like, nervous laughter. Like what the fuck? What the fuck? Dude, dude, the one on 13, I was just like, dude, like what the fuck? What the fuck? Dude, dude, the one on 13, I was just like, dude, like what the fuck?

That green so unnecessary though. That green so narrow, the wind's going that way, right? If I may say though, I guess it's kind of road the wind a little bit. The way he hit it in, it was just a true one shot penalty and you're puttin' for part, right? If you bail too far left

and you don't get up and down, you're makin' five anyways, like it wasn't that penal. It wasn't nearly as I think we all had this scar tissue from the day before in there with the T-shot where he had to re-t. Obviously, but it was more or less just like it was like, yo man, like you got a five-shot lead. Like let's not be playing on the edges. Let's be playing the like let's go middle of the green or safe side here. And I think he was tried to. I think he pulled the shit out of it.

But it does, like, even the best players in the world when they have the, all right, don't go. We're not going right here. The last thought is probably like, oh, let's go right. But all right, we want to talk a little brooks, is it time? Before we get there, there was one more thing I had, kind of just in my notes on Phil,

like reading his transcripts throughout the week. I thought it was really interesting. The thing we said last night was, we've seen a ton of him talking about, or we've just seen a ton of him, like not have the stamina for 72 holes, right? And struggling to like playing a great 18, playing a great 36, and then just like completely cratering.

Was that at Quill Hollow, where he 63 and then went like 75, 74, 75. I was thinking of sticking that. Against Damon. Yeah. He was betting with Damon. I'm wondering. Right, exactly.

He had some interesting stuff where he was talking about how he was fixing that. Did you read any of that? Or he was talking about, like, at home now, I'm trying really hard to play 36 or 45 holes a day just because it's so hard for me to lock it, which of course, you guys know I can relate to this. It's so hard for me to lock into every shot

of an 18 hole round that I need to overextend myself in my practice so that 18 holes just doesn't feel like that big of a deal. And he was saying it with the meditation stuff too. I'm trying to stretch out how long I'm meditating so that smaller moments are much easier. I don't know, that's the fill I really enjoy to stretch out how long I'm meditating so that smaller moments are much easier. I just, I don't know, like that, that's the fill I really enjoy when he does, like he just kind

of starts talking and talking and talking and then he gives you those nuggets where you're like, holy shit, that was actually like crazy insightful and I learned a ton from what you just said. That's super interesting. So it's good to have that fill. I think he, he said a lot yesterday, like, well Friday and Saturday, I think, especially yesterday, he said a lot about visualizing the shots and just, you know, sitting there and like, as he's going, he visualizes hitting the shot and everything and the place that I really saw that today was,

I can't remember which hole it was, but he had like a four footer coming back and that was kind of the part where I'm like, all right, like if, if stuff's gonna go, about to go sideways, like, he's gonna miss one of these, like, four footers coming back and that was kind of the putt where I'm like, all right, like if if stuff's going to go about to go sideways, like he's going to miss one of these like four footers coming back, right? And he took like 25, 30 seconds standing behind the wall. I'm like, Oh, God, he's going to miss the shit. And then he just buried it. And I'm like, you know what? Like he made, he made the shot in his mind. and then the rest was easy. Can I ask, a little gamesmanship from Phil, knowing Brooks's problems with slow play?

Are we maybe? I think it was, I think some of this is TV. Like I'm guessing he took that long on all of his shortpots and that was just the one that we happened to see. So all the conversations we saw, all the visualization, there was nothing going quickly at all. And I'm sure that's for his own pacing, but like that could not have helped Keppka, I don't think. Also, like this is how you slow shit up it.

I think it was just really slow out there. They were not waiting on this. Maybe Brooks played slow or played bad as a form of gamesmanship to. Yes, stuff. Can we talk about a little some Brooksy? We can come back to Phil because I think we've got a lot more. Listen, it wasn't good.

Yeah, I think we had a let's we had a full praise session for Brooks. I had great appreciation for him getting involved in the scene this week, despite not having any reason to believe so going into this week other than just he does this a lot. So putting that aside, I think we got, I was truly an amazement that he is in the final group final pairing and even had the lead for a decent amount of the day here on Sunday. But, however, if I may say, since the back nine at Beth Page,

we talked about this on the Beth Page pod after he won was like, when things started going bad on that back nine and he was making bogies and the crowd kinda turned against him and DJ was making a run and the crowd was just kinda rooting for some action to get close. He looked rattled for the very first time. Like the first adversity he had faced in a major

because every time he got close to one. Over 13 at Beth Page. Yeah, whatever the part first time, like the first adversity he had faced in a major, because every time he got close to one. Over 13 at a best page. Yeah, whatever the part three is, I remember he bogeyden, and it was like, oh shit, this is on. And since he ended up winning, he ended up closing out, he won by two, but since then he has not won a major

and has not played great when the pressure has been brightest at the majors. Like when it's been close to his credit, he possibly, scholars will take years to figure out whether this is true or not, but he did let both Tiger and Phil win their majors. That is, that could, the history could look very kindly on that.

Brooks could have six. We do appreciate that. He had a shot at Harding Park, kind of fizzled out on that Sunday. He had a shot at Augusta in 2019, had a shot at Pebble. I'll excuse Pebble because he was a two time defending champion and had a great week. And I think he finished runner up, I think,

to Gary Woodland, he's three shots back or something like that. But this was not a great performance at all, even remotely. And all of the stuff that powered him through the first three days just did not last into the day. And it's hard to say, like, for as bad as he put it, it's hard to really put that on the knee, right? I mean, yeah, it's hard. Someone in the comments said this and I hadn't really thought about it, but I don't know if

the knee injury stops how much you practice putting, like if you're constantly, you know, think about how much you're bending over and you're reading pots and all that stuff when you're on your feet. Yeah, when you do have a knee injury, so that could be part of it. I'll give him some grace there. I mean, maybe he's not as able to practice as much because that's the thing about Brooks is like, like, he's a fucking awesome putter. Like this is very out of character, right?

And the eight footers in major pressure, he's usually pretty cash. Like, maybe the best that we've seen in a very long time. And so I think what's interesting about it, yeah, it's tough, man. I don't know. I think putting leaks into so much of how you're playing, and momentum and all these sports talk radio things that people like to throw out that when you're not making them,

how do you not mentally press a little bit more? And how do you not give the tiebreaker, should I go for the middle of the green check, go for the flag, how do you not start mentally giving it more to the flag if you're not, you know, if you can't make anything. So I don't know. I can see that leaking into a bunch of different stuff. I think that what I'm seeing, at least just specific to Kiowa, I mean, the other ones

that I don't like, I need to go look back closer at those, but this one specifically is, I don't think you can, you can't try to force the issue on a Pete Diagol, of course. Right. Like there's some awkward ass spots out there. And I think, you know, especially long of greens or shortsighted or spots where it's like, yo dude, like yeah, yeah, like it's gonna take you two chips

just to get back on the putting surface here, you know, and there were a few of those and then where he can make hate on the stretch, he wasn't close enough, he wasn't in a position to force the issue on 16, for instance, you know, it's like he's too far back, right? And I think some of that's due to a couple of those putts not falling, but some of it's due to just careless and sloppy play on the par-fives in the front

nine. Yeah. And what did he end up losing by three? Two, three, two, two. He lost my lead. He even has two back. Yeah. And so I know it's very easy to, you know, post-round pick out spots, but it's like he missed the bunny on three. That was like the really short birdie makes like a really bad double on two and plays 11 or was seven. Sorry. The other par five just like horribly. And it's like, dude, he was four. He was three over on the par fives on the front. Yeah. And bogey 11, bogey 11. Yeah. His pup was three feet, three inches on number three. Yeah. Awesome.

And hip-nose in the comments is a great question. Do you think Brooks looked at that scene on 18 and realized he will never get a reception like that? He tries to act like he doesn't care, but I don't know. That's gotta be. I said, I'm tired of like psychoanalyzing Brooks. Like, yes, I know, you know, I've gone from, he doesn't care, but he cares immensely, and he cares,

he cares that you think that he doesn't care. Kind of thing, to now, it's like, it's like, yeah, like who gives a shit, right? It's like Brooks, just go do your thing, and like, if you win, major, fine, and it's not going to list of her emotional reaction from me, but like, it's not, like, I don't really care how Brooks feels other people feel about him.

T.C., I need you to hold that thought. We have guests joining me. Oh my God. I have no idea what his connection's gonna look or sound like. Ladies and gentlemen, big Randy. Randy! Good morning!

Washington! the what is going on are you a prize of the situation somebody told me i've had just a total nightmare of a situation today had this golf game plan i'm out here at the very strappedphi, a cricket club. You know, they discourage phones. Come off the 18th green. They said, make us in one by two. I said, stop it. You're bullshitting me. They said, no, it's true big fella. He did it. And I'm just in a joyous stupor right now. I can't believe it. Oh, it was a scene, buddy. I mean, it was majestic.

It was the Shotty in the 18, the scene, the crowd falling around. I can't believe you missed it. I truly can't believe you missed it. I had this weird calm about me though, because I was saying I was joking. You know, there's only a handful of courses where it's like, dude, Michelson's maybe gonna win a major today.

I don't know. I was like, if you loseelson's maybe gonna win a major today. I don't know. I was like, if he loses, I'm gonna feel so shitty if I bail on golf. And I was like, whatever happens is gonna happen. I felt weirdly calm today. I just kinda had a good feeling and it got paid off. I can't believe it. Cannot believe it.

Where does this rank for you on the, it's the most unbelievable win ever like I thought the British open was unbelievable but this is like he's 50 years old he's been dumped for years it's incredible it's absolutely incredible what do you want to say Andy Johnson fried egg you know you can take your Ernie be better than Phil you can take it all away. That shit outta here. I don't need that. This is an exclamation, the second exclamation point on that argument.

Phil's sending messages all over the planet today. All kinds of Phil's coming out of the woodwork today. I mean, can you guys believe it? No. It's absolutely outrageous. What, if you could have had him say, I know you didn't see the post-round press conference, the trophy presentation, if you could have had him say, I know you didn't see the post-around press conference, the trophy presentation,

if you could have had him say anything, call anybody out, recap anything, and that when he grabs the microphone, what would you have wanted to hear from him? It comes to death row. I mean, I don't know. I would have, I think poetically, or like an earnest answer would have been almost

the inverse of the wing foot moment. When he was like, I'm such an idiot. I think it would have been the inverse of just like, like, I'm such a subordinate. Such a good golfer. You know how fucking good I am. I'm such a legend. That's what he should have said.

I'm a legend. You can't believe it. He could have said six words. Fuck, I'm a legend. You can't believe it. He could have said six words. Fuck, I'm good. Just ask. He's like, you guys even understand how good I am. Oh, boy, this is just magical.

Just magical. Oh, I hope that I can't wait for you to see the replay. It was anything but certain. It was dead certain. It was, it was an entire range of human emotions out there today. It's the Michelson, it's the whole Michelson experience.

It was gonna go no other way. That's the only way it could have gone. The only regret I have is that he wasn't wearing the glasses that were, that the, the, the, uh, mirror tint. Yeah. Cause those would have been just the absolute stunner shades and they would have gotten all sorts of camera shots of like him looking at the whole and you know the reflection in the in those but yeah dude he's like he's all amped up on the gum

on 17 and 18 to who was the whole fucking thing man it was awesome. Somebody just completely outrageous. somebody in the comments Joseph sky if you're tired of your golf for all of it the corona commercials all of it the state bar commercials dancing come over to coffee for wellness guys he is he gonna give back the special us gx assumption oh he's gonna throw it up in his and Mike Davies his face and throw it at him. Are you kidding me?

He shouldn't spit wads from the back of the media center. He should give it to Ricky, although I guess Ricky's in now, right? That would be sick. I wonder if it's transferable. I don't think Ricky's in. Get it to somebody else. Oh my god. Ricky missed a pot on the 18th green to get in the masters and they didn't even mention it, Randy. I mean

He he just he just Story it just once was to happen, you know, like You know, you know, you don't want to ask a long time listeners of this podcast will of course remember when he won the 04 masters I believe you jumped in the alligator filled pond Will there be anything Is there anything you'll be doing this evening? I just want to get on a bolted hop frenzy. The only thing I can think of. Get your ass back to the courtyard here, man. Get your ass back to the courtyard. There's a little creek running down here. I don't know if it's, I might just, I might

just swim down the creek here, a fairly creek at close. I don't know. I don't know if it's I might just I might just swim down the creek here at Philly Creek close. I don't know. I don't know what to do It's absolutely unbelievable. Rainy. Uh, this is an epic drop-in. Thank you. Congratulations. Let me just say congratulations to you I'm so happy for you. This is well done. I will apologize one more time big just for the history books I I laughed at your top 40 bed and that was foolish of me and I will accept any and all, any and all grief for that. His approach out in one, the top 40 did not seem secure, but he quickly settled the ship after that. All right. Let me just say I played so bad at Philly Creek. It's the hardest course I think I've ever played. Unbelievable. All right, guys. Later. See you, buddy.

Unbelievable. Somebody here in the comments, I'll get the name here in a second, said a great one. Did Ricky get, Cameron Kelly, did Ricky have driver of the day? That's possible. Yeah, great drive by Ricky today. I'd say him or Harry Higgs. Yeah. I was just saying Higgs, you got to give the drive the day to Higgs. Did Harry finish Bogey free?

Might have been the only Bogey free around the week. He bogey'd, he was Bogey free today. He shot Bogey free 70 today. week. He bogey'd, he was bogey free today. He shot bogey free 70 today. Unbelievable. And he got a major ever. He got in the masters, right? T-4, T-4 gets in. T-4 ties in better are in the masters.

Patrick Harrington finished tie for fourth, too. We haven't gotten to that yet. There's a lot to get to on this one. Where did Woodland finish? Woodland was up there. Did he make the cut? Woodland, I called your name, right? They just God. Woodland, Woodland fish T 38.

I hold you from the first page of the leaderboard for like most of the front nine soded Bryson and soded brain and grace. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know where we were. Where we were in that when big called in there, but I think we kind of put it. I think we're talking Brooks. Let me get us back into this. I was talking to, I was talking to Shane Bacon this morning,

no big deal. And he was, we were talking about Brooks, and we're talking about Phil, and just going back and forth about a bunch of stuff, and we're kind of revisiting the age-old question of like, why does, you know, why does Brooks not do it for people? Why does, you know, why is this not a bigger deal?

Which, you know, it is. Like, if that was close down the stretch, I think that was a, that's, I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say. Brooks would have had a lot more clout than he realized like if Phil wasn't there. I don't know if that makes sense or not. Let me get back to what I was trying to say.

I think with a lot of the other guys, we said this on the show yesterday that like with a, you know, Brooks seems to feel like he's in the same category as like the JT's and Dustin and those guys, in reality, he's blown those guys out of the water. On the course, yeah. Yeah, and it's not in their same category. And I think what is interesting about that is one thing that Randy said on the show the other night, which I thought was really interesting, which was how much we overweight masters victories.

Like a master's winner just immediately goes to the top of the, the top of the rung, and I wonder how different Brooks's career would have been if he won a master's first instead of a PGA first, which I think is interesting in itself. And then number two would be with Rory and Dustin and Spieth, And all these guys, it feels like each one of those guys has a single attribute that you can point at and almost justify, oh that's why that guy's great. Like 10 years ago when Dustin was blowing it past everybody, it was like oh my god, Dustin Johnson, man,

he hits it past everybody, he's great. Jordan Spieth, oh my god, you gotta see him putt, it's unbelievable, he's great, Rory, oh my god, you gotta see him drivet, it's unbelievable, he's great, Rory, oh my god, you gotta see him drive it. And Brooks, like, it doesn't really have that, right? Like, he's just really, really, really good at everything. And that was, Shane put it in a way that was a much more concise than what I just did,

and B, just a way that kind of crystallized it, I think, for me, that, or why he hasn't really, he's not as easy to talk about, I guess. He just hits these shots. Like some of those iron, like there's high draws that he hits. They're just like some of the most ballsy aggressive shots I've ever seen in my life. We're like, you know, 235 yard four iron

over a tree with a slight draw, holding it into a wind. And like, he just pulls it off and it's so good. And like, you're almost none to it, right? It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's brilliance or excellence by like brute force. You never see Brooks like in a crazy spot, making a wild swing or like making a crazy shot shape.

Like, it's always like very stock cut, stock draw right here. You know what I mean? There's not like swashbuckling to it. I kind of feel the same way about Rom too. Yeah, where it's like TJ to it. It's like man, yeah, they're just like awesome at everything. And you know, Shane said this morning, not to air it out, but he's like, you know, I think like winning might just be his, like maybe that's Brooks' thing. Like, you know, it's not putting your driving.

It's just like winning. And it was, that made it, it was. It was. Yeah, and that's what made it extra weird to watch today, I think, right? Like, everybody expected him to, I think especially after you saw how number one played out, right? Like, who didn't think it was over after Phil makes it just gross bogey and Brooks makes it effortless birdie on one. Sure, gross bogey. Like, it's all unnecessary. Who didn't think it was over at that point?

And so it's, I don't know, I know he's had the injuries and hasn't had the prep probably that he's probably doing it more on just like pure adrenaline and like being the baddest guy out there, then he is like actual prep and form, but it's a concerning trend, I guess. I'll say this on the putting, like, again, not to take things back to Jack's beach here, but like when you get off on pass pal, like every little putt is uncomfortable. Like the three footer come backers are like, dude, I don't know how I'm going to get this in. But like when you're on on pass-pile, like the cup looks enormous. And I just felt like he was never comfortable putting on those greens. Like he just never, the grass grows straight up and the ball just kind of

wiggles a little bit on that line and the cup just feels smaller on pass-pile grass. And I don't know why. I don't know if it's the cup edges or how the cup, you know, the ball just doesn't want to fall in on edges nearly as well. But you get off on that. It is not surprising to have a struggling week. And a lot of guys really did have tough weeks on those greens. I think some of it on past time comes back to how much you hit up on your puts versus how much you kind of hit into it.

And if you hit into it a little bit, like it, it'll wiggle even more or it'll, you'll really struggle with your speed because it's so sticky up there from the front. Possibly sticky. Yeah. Um, God, guys, I'm just going through the, like, I'm getting ahead of myself and going through the US Open future venues. Like, I don't love them at Torrey and I love them next year at the Country Club. Are you talking about filler?

Are you talking about Brooks? I'm talking about fill. 20, 2023 at LACC. That place is interesting. That's interesting. Really good for him. Pinehurst feels great for him. Those two book ending those is like, Phil needs to shut it down, quick place in your

tour stuff for six months before that stuff and just getting the lab. You know? I mean, Phil's won. Phil's won. How many times at Torrey though? Is it just the ones I'm looking, I mean, Phil's won, Phil's won, how many times it tore, though? Is it just the ones I'm looking, I'm trying to go through his career wins here. I know he won in 2009, it looks like.

Yeah, so it might just be once. He played it a lot. I know, that's why, I don't know why in my head, I had that he plays well at Tory on my mind. I think it's just the hometown thing, right? Yeah, it's like San Diego. And, you know, and I think it's, it just thing, right? Yeah, it's like San Diego. And I think it just doesn't seem like somewhere that I can imagine him getting in a great spot

off the tee, right? Or it's just, it's gonna be a struggle off the tee there for him. Yeah. I don't know if it's gonna be, I think the Bryson thing's gonna be interesting to watch because I think it's gonna be thick rough and long and narrow-fairway, right? I would think so.

I don't see any other, he won in 2000 and 2001, so it's admittedly and in 93, so it has admittedly been a while, but yeah. And you've got rounds on the North course in there too. True, that's true, which he redesigned. Yeah, shout out to, I mean, we could touch on there, but Harry Higgs, holy shit, man. It did not, that was his first major championship shooting even, you know, shooting 200 par and finishing T for four boatload of cash and a bunch of other major exemptions. That's freaking incredible. So, and, you know, we got to mention, I forgot that his brother also qualified for the

four ball. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He had to withdraw and he probably a good decision. I think I don't know exactly what he made this weekend, but that's probably the right move. He was, he was supposed to play, he was supposed to play with my guy Park Ulrich out in the

four ball and the park was going to go play the stroke play by himself. And see if he made it to match play, but they ended up withdrawing. But yeah, Harry, I texted him last night. He had, he had some really cool stuff that he said about his brother. Like he's like, Hey, like my brother's been caddy forming out here. He's become like a world class caddy over the last year and a half, two years. And like, I thought that was cool. Just like kind of have the wherewithal to be up with the podium and just call him out and say, hey, you're doing an awesome, freaking job and you're a big part

of my success. I thought that was a cool moment from them. That's awesome. Yeah, let me be the 859th person to say, very easy duo to root for. Yeah. I wish they would have got some TV time, but we'll take that comment out. Yeah. We can get there in a second.

Podger Carrington mentioned that, but that's fucking ridiculous. The Ryder Cup captain finished T4. Did I hear beat his whole team? Did he? Did I hear he had made a cut at a major in like five years or something like that? That would not surprise me.

Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. And Shane Lowry finished in T4 as well, which I didn't, I didn't have appreciation for that as it was happening for reasons that I would not say are my fault, but. Got to give shout out to Ricky as well. Oh my God.

You know, we said this last night, and again, I'll put my hand up as someone who probably didn't really get, you know, probably didn't grasp the nuance of the special invitation and was a little upset until I realized how many guys get special invitations, yada, y yada, but you know kind of repeating what I said yesterday, like he, he, he still had that swimming around his head, right? I mean, it, it, was talked about on TV, it was talked about everywhere, I'm sure he was asked about it,

like, and then he steps up and I think it's first top 10 since like January of 2020 or something like that. I mean, good for him. As we've said many, many times golf is not fun, not as fun when Ricky's playing bad. Good for him. He got back to the orange shirt, Norge Bell. Exactly. And Norge Glove today too.

Yeah. You're correct. I'll say. Sorry, Patrick had not made a cut since the 2016 PGA championship, which didn't happen actually. So the 2016 open championship. We got to do a deep dive on Padre's career. Like what a fascinating, just underrated player.

Dej, I think you're bearing the lead here. Big day from Team Rose. Huge day from Team Rose. I know, I was playing on a whole separate podcast about that. We'll do a whole Monday debrief about Team Rose's win. I'll be on the Team Rose podcast this week. If you'd give it.

Honest Abe, Justin Rose, Morkawa, Ram, Zalatoris, and Swoken Scotty and Big Tone. And the radio too. I would not have passed the, hey, did Scotty Shepard make the cut or top 10 this week, I would not have passed that test because I would have got, so I probably missed the cut, I think. Missed that one. What else, anything else can we do coverage?

Is it, are we, are we, I mean, it's just commercial disgrace. I don't really have much more to add on other than that, but it was worse than usual. And so you guys were saying like, all right, we've got how much longer, you know, of the PGA and I was trying to think, all right, you know, the PGA, they signed this contract and all that but on some level it's the pga tour that normalizes this every week right like we're

so desensitized to it that the pga that the pga of america can get away with this commercial load with signing this up and really not have much blowback because yo just look at what the pga tour is doing every week it's not any different, you know? Yeah. So I wish I knew the sequence of events of like, who weasels this in there, right? The CBS request this many commercials per hour and like get that in the contract and PJ America doesn't review it close enough and let's it happen. Or does PJ America tell them you can have this much and they'll take something. It is clearly the worst covered, you know, worst network television broadcast

of a major, right? And why would you want to have your brand associated with that for the PJ of America? Like, that is, and what's such a shame is the ESPN and ESPN plus stuff is so freaking good. And the commercial load on that, I know it's a premium product and it's a subscription product and you pay for it, but the commercial load is, I was peeing in bottles practically the early part of the week. Like I couldn't get up from my desk. I showered at 2 p.m.

whenever the television broadcast came on because I didn't have a chance to get up because it was that good. And it just, you could take breaks. I don't know what kind of work place culture, work place. Every time some price of a punch a fan, the second I took a break, that's what would happen.

All right. Like a feature group stuff, even on like ESPN plus, was like wall to wall golf today. And then you flip on CBS and like in CBS, like they, you know, I'll give them credit to like a seller shy like they've raised their game as far as the actual production and that's what I was going to say to you. Cameras, drones and the really shots on all that stuff. Yeah. They're just like, they're just incapable of showing enough guys because they don't because they don't have the way with all to show enough golf shots to wear like I just don't think

they have a time. You're getting no preview like when sunge m or higgs or zalatoris or you know a dancer or Shane Lowry anybody is like coming in three four holes ahead And you kind of get that little preview of what's to come of like hey, here's us introducing you to the eighth green today Or the 13th green today you don't get that at all and then they just abruptly show up there when the leaders hit it You know and it's just yeah, I think I mean not to give them a pass I'm sure there's plenty of stuff they know, and it's just... Yeah, I think, I mean, not to give them a pass, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff they could trim, but it's like, yeah, they just don't have the time. Like, they have so many, it's so many commercials.

They can't do any of that stuff because then there's short-changing, you know, really developing the Phil story, which is what everybody is tuned into watch. And so it's, like, it's just not good, man. It's a bad situation. Somebody's got an answer for that, though, right? I mean, it can't not good man, it's a bad situation. Somebody's got to answer for that though, right? I mean it can't just be like, well they have that many commercials.

This is totally, totally anecdotal. I realize, well at least I thought it was anecdotal until I tweeted something about it and like a bazillion people were like, yeah, the same exact situation just happened to me. But I was watching with my wife just eating today and like, she's totally in, she totally grasped like, oh my god, Phil could actually win, this is crazy. And we're watching the first couple of holes and she literally totally unprompted. I was not saying anything about the telecast,

she doesn't listen to the podcast, like it was not, it was nothing. She just goes, man, like I would love, quote, I would love to keep watching this with you, I would totally keep watching this with you. But like I'm not doing these commercials. Like I can't do this. Like I'm just gonna go outside and read a book instead.

And it's like, dude, that's like boom. That's the tiebreaker for people. Like let me flip on golf and see what this is like. And oh my god, this is miserable. It's miserable. It's even figured out a way to like, they had the little, you know, virtual billboards up on the course are like they figured out a way to monetize, you know, live golf action not going to commercial, right?

Yeah. CVS just hasn't, you know, and like this was the closest that they've had to the Tiger playbook. We're like, you know, the only thing that you had used to have show all Tiger shots. Right. It was like today, you just, the only thing that you had, you used to have to show all Tiger shots. Right. It was like today, you just cut your all of the shots and then like the rest is kind of window dressing and if it goes off the rails, then we'll figure that out. But like, that's the only thing we got to make sure we check today.

Yeah. It's just showing all the shots. And it's just super hard though when you have these great moments, great energy, great flow and you can set up drama by following the guide of the next shot, walking with them in the fairway, giving commentary, but like after, it seemed like after every big moment, it was paid in Manninggiff, it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Terminator golf and the coverage is saying, NBC is going to blow the US open coverage.

It's like, fortunately for NBC, I believe if they did their own contract, they probably would have screwed it up. But they took over the Fox contract and the Fox contract looks different in terms of commercial load. And it requires, you know, the last blah, blah, blah to be commercial free on Sundays.

And yeah, this was not, and that was, it just, like I said, we've said many times, just having the same announcer crew just makes it feel like a PGA tour week, and it's holding, it held the drama back today, I would definitely say. So, Sally, at 3.27, you said, good time for a breather.

I think that was after the fourth or fifth hole. I think that was when Phil hold out, probably, from on five. Yeah, and I was like, all right, like, what, you know what, fourth or fifth hole. I think that was when Phil hold out probably from on five. Yeah. And I was like, all right, like, let's, you know what? We're going to take a commercial break to sap any bit of moment. And we have out of this. We're going to start from scratch in three minutes.

Guys. So anyways, that's coverage takes for you. Yeah. Yeah. Um, anything else we're missing from the week, TCO, you haven't been able to be on the rest of the week anything else from from Kiwa takes what did you think of how the golf course played this week? I thought it played great man. It's like, you know, it's not my favorite place. It's not my favorite course. It's What I love watching the pros play it and I think you know like between the

between the sunsets and the drone shots and ESPN and, you know, just the topsy turviness. It was a little terroristy there the first day and a half or so. But kind of the topsy turviness of the guys that were involved in the leaderboard, you know, like Joaquin and Sungjae, there were quite a few guys that were kind of Just outside the mix that we're trying to climb up More Kawabwe played well today I Loved it man. I thought it was I thought it was a phenomenal major venue and and I think I I probably O'Keehoo

I may a couple as far as like it's just a it's just a great place to watch golf on TV I think like I wouldn't want to be out there as a fan. And it sounded like, you know, the fans probably, it was what, 10 bucks for a water, 15 bucks for a beer. You know, like- The whole ocean's right there, they could have this water's a lot cheaper than that. I saw, you know, so far out to walk to four or five

and all that and it's but it's like man It's it's a great great course to watch on TV. I never ever want to step foot there again I'm giving a big why do you let me unpack that a little bit because I I feel a little bit of the same But I can go into why I mean, but like why why do you say that like just because it's it's extremely extremely hard for Mortals, yeah, why I feel I want to clarify why you mean that. I mean, it's just like the way that, you know, it's like the three or four holes out. And then you're playing six or seven in a row

with the same wind. And you're just getting beat down and all that. I don't know. I just, and like you got the no-seems, you got the sand, you got, it's, it's die, right? So there's all sorts of mental trick, mental gymnastics going on, visual gymnastics going on out there. And, you know, I just think, I don't know, like it's just, it's like the hardest fucking

resort course in America, right? Like there's just, you know, it's a six hour round. It costs an ungodly amount of money. The resort is like the most vanilla place I've ever been ever. But, and then like, it's just not my cup of tea. It's a big ballpark, it's long. You know, it's just, it's super spread out

over the whole thing. But like, man, like what I'm watching on TV, I'm like, this is sick. This is awesome, you know? So I totally feel the same way. I just, you know, a lot of people go there, a lot of people have a great time, a lot of people probably have trips planned.

And I think at least for my experience, I've only been there once, the same day as both of you guys, but like the biggest thing I could, I would scream from the top of the mountain tops. And actually somebody said this, would you say the same stuff about whistling straights? And I would, like, diddo. Like this goes for both places is like play the right

T's. Yeah. Holy shit play the right T's and play less yardage than you think you probably need, right? Like we played it like what, 6,000 yards, we played it like a 61 or 61 or 62 or something it was like, but we had a great time like golf wise, you know, I mean, like it was so much more fun than playing another set of T's back because like, I mean, of course I wasn't going to play it all the way back with like I was texting Harry Higgs this week and was just asking like what's the, you know,

how hard is it really? What's going on and like essentially like he and I have played together a couple times like what would I shoot out there right now? And he's like, there's no way you would break 105. Like there's absolutely no way. And the reason is because of like all the force carries. Like you would, he's like some of those holes into the wind, he's like, we, me and the guys in my groups

are hitting it 260. Like we're flying it to 55, 260. Like you would hit it 210 yards. 205, like you wouldn't clear any of the shit. And like that goes for so many resort guests, like play the right teas and take so much of that shit out of play because it does not make the place anymore fun.

Like I don't want to dissuade, like go there once. Like it makes a lot more sense when you've been there and all that, but also like there's a whole or two on the back nine where I remember hitting the tea and it's kind of, it's one of those forced carries and there's a bunch of tall grass there and like like, like, where's the fucking fairway? It's like, it's not out there, right? It's very much a, I would like to play there

because the pros play there because it's held big tournaments, right? If there's no big tournaments held there, I wouldn't be like, oh, I gotta get to that course. A hard-ass course on the ocean, that does not sound that fun, to be honest. No, but it made today. It made today so much more fun for me, I think. got to get to that course, a hard-ass course on the ocean. That does not sound that fun, to be honest. No, but it made today.

No, it made today so much more fun for me, I think. Also, because we were texting each other all week, like, oh, God, Neal, you know, it's solid. Brooks is right where you were on nine. Like, he's in the same spot and he just hit the green. You know, it is cool to build topics. Which is sweet, I agree.

I think what also makes it tough for, like, higher handicaps and like resort guests is like, you can't play the ball on the bill. Which is sweet. I agree. Yeah. I think what also makes it tough, tough for like higher handicaps and like resort guests is like, you can't play the ball on the ground. Right. You have to fly it everywhere. So like, if you, if you, if you, if you kind of hit one a little bit thin, like it's going to get caught up in the grass and you're going to have to hit that other shot, you're not, you can't use the slopes in there and all that, you know? That's where I think I'd give you a, like an 8.5 out of 10 as a tournament, you know, of course,

just because to that point, not being able to play run-up shots, and I just don't love the way pass-pallum grass plays bounce-wise, like it just doesn't. I, they, you know, they moved the tee up on three today and it was dead downwind, and like for, I, Daniel Burger hit eight iron off the tee. And like for a second, I was like,

oh, shit, this could be sick. Like if you, if you, if you Like if you are hitting it, you know, if you get green side, can you not hold the green downwind? Is that why somebody's laying up? And I'm not being the case because there's enough softness in the past palom where you could chip up very easily from the front right of the green and get it close. And like, unless you're filled.

Unless you're filled. But some of the golf courses that require these run-up shots or require you to play these angles. A lot of US open courses that require these run-up shots or require you to play these angles. A lot of US open courses that they've gotten really firm require you follow a certain protocol so you make sure you don't get out of position, green side. Over behind a bunker to a green, you can't hold. There's none of that there.

You could hold these greens with a flop shot from almost any lie. There's still spots. I think it's definitely like that. Phil talked about it a little bit think I think there's it's it's definitely like that and Phil talked about it a little bit. I think on Friday in his press room is like the greens are green's are soft like the water in the greens and you can you can you can spin it and you can stop shots on there. I think the the one thing is like you can get yourself out of position but that's just die getting out of position and there's there's a mound there. There's like a ton of rough on a bank

and you can't hit it into the bank and try to kill it like you have to fly it all the way up and all that. I don't know, it's just a, it's such an interesting course to watch when you've seen guys play at Cricket Stick or TPC West or TPC Sawgrass or any of those places or like Harbor Sawgrass or, you know, any of those places are like Harbortown, for instance, where it's like, yeah, there's like a very prescribed, there's, it's much

more about the firmness of the greens and being short-sighted, whereas this is like, I feel like those mounds and those spots are even built up even higher to kind of accentuate that, because you're not getting it on the greens. Someone in the comments kind of pointed out how helpful those the CBS target lines were. Yes, I feel like I haven't seen a ton of those, but like that is Pete Dye in a nutshell, right? It's like, you know, the T-Box is pointing this way, but actually you want to hit it over there.

And it's just all weird, visual, crazy stuff. And to have that and then honestly, to see how close Phil was hitting it to that did a line constantly was, that was awesome. That's a positive coverage. how close Phil was hitting it to that. Did you line constantly? It was, that was awesome. That's a positive cover. So just like watching on TV, it was a big, I really, really struggled out there.

There was, I had no frame of reference on the horizon. Right. Especially as you're going like six through 12, kind of going south down the coast or, you know, southwest on the coast there, where like, I had no frame of reference. There's a water tower four miles, you know, Southwest on the coast there where like, I had no frame or reference. There's a water tower four miles, you know, down the beach and you're trying to use that

as like an aiming point. Whereas having those CBS TV towers, there you actually have something to work the ball off of or a start line or something like that. I thought that was, that was an interesting thing. It was like something to break up the horizon a little bit. And on the positive coverage take front, like I felt like they made me feel like I was there a lot of the week. They drone shots, the aerials, the blimp stuff, like it, they gave, so like I was, like yeah, they gave you like,

there's a reason why you would go to a seaside place for a tournament and it's for visuals like that and they delivered on that front. So that, for that reason, that's something I don't think they were capable of in 2012, probably in the same way. We also haven't talked to Ustazen, I don't think. I think we kind of brush past Louie. Put it on the list.

Number five, runner up, joins DJ and Monty with five runner ups and majors, circling back for yet another one with the PGA on top of his grand slam. He's already won. The second trip around DJ felt at no point did you ever feel threatened by Louis but he's a double bogey on 13 away from being right there. Yeah, it's just did. I don't know. There were there were whiffs of of Fina. Every time I got close, there was a nice missed six footer. There was a you know hitting in the wrong spot. It was just, uh, you know, seen the movie quite a few times here. And I hopefully, like, he seems like an awesome guy. And I really like rooting for my obviously Lova's game. But I don't know, man, it's tough. Like the, much smaller tournament, obviously, but like the T shot in the playoff at Zurich, like,

that didn't help, man. Like that some volumes. That was the DJ Pi film room. There's one place on this golf course. You can't hit it right now, man. Just don't block it into the water. I don't know. No thanks. It's just not my thing. He had one of the most apathetic up and downs on nine today. He was, you know, he was like 75, 80 feet off the green from, you know, kind of front knob guarding the pin there and it's like kind of a nasty spot. And he just kind of walks up and like, very disinterested. Like just, it's like five feet and then makes the putt.

And then just knowing that like that guy is the, like I guess statistically he's like, what the best putter on the PGA tour this year. I think they said he was. Like I think I would have to check. I know this is all very look upable, but I heard that too. I think Ian Baker-Vitch was just referring a season

where he led the PGA tour in St. Louis. I don't think it's the season, but I could be right. I'm hearing that and then I'm like, wait, like the guy with that swing Yeah, it's in yeah, that doesn't that doesn't make sense How is this guy not winning every time he's number one in Stroke's game putting on the PJ tour this year? Oh my god, I take it back But he's a hundred than a hundredth in Stroke's game off the tee and seventy eighth in Stroke's game approach the green

But like he hasn't given a shit yet, right? Like, it's just on his tractor. Like how he, another guy though, that just, he and Brooks are like the two guys that get, the only two guys I can think of off top of my head that get like tangibly better and arrive when it comes major championship time. Yeah.

Yeah. Like his record is insane. It's a true, I, we covered him in the What If Guy podcast, right? I sure hope so, because he is maybe one of the great What If Guys of this generation of us trying to figure out what the hell this is. I'm just like, yeah, it's like, what if he gave a fuck, right? And I think that's where I tweeted that earlier.

And Andy said, if he gave a shit, he'd be devastated all these runner ups. And I'm like, no, if he gave a shit, he would have run. He would win them, right? That's what I was thinking. Three, you know, he's that good. Yeah. Second at the 2012 masters lost in a playoff, you know, the Bubba. He T2 at the 2015 US Open by a shot to speed T2 at the 2015 Open Championship, lost in a playoff there. Does that Johnson? That's just yeah, that's spike mark tapping. And then T2 at the 2017 PGA at Justin Thomas and then T2 at this one with Brooks to Phil Michelson.

I'm going to be a Chambers Bay when he was like putting with looking at the hole from like 35 feet away and he's shot like 29 on the back nine. And like Fox, those Foxes first year, they had no idea what they were doing and they basically missed the whole thing. Very quick, we don't have to do a lot of time on this, but I don't know if Chamber's Bay is gonna come up again. Tron, give us a couple sentences on Chamber's Bay,

which I know you saw for the first time this week. Resplendent, life-affirming, ethereal. I thought it was probably the most criminally underrated place I've ever played. Like I would put it up there with virtually any, I would put it up there with anything abandoned. I put it up there with like, it was like Castle Stewart West, basically,

in certain spots. I mean, it was spectacular. I loved it. And the great, it was it was in tip-top shape for the four ball this week, which shot out to shout to Joe Griner. Did they make it? I was just going to look at that. I mean, really well. Yeah, they're, I just looked it up. They are T6 right now. Shot 64 at the home course and 67 at Chambers Bay today. So good stuff there. Yeah, just a just an excellent golf course. I loved it. So I'm just, you know, I didn't qualify for the four balls. So I'm not going to go, I'm never going to go play it. You

know, it's kind of like this family. Not to earn it. And that's not so it's earned. It's earned only. No, no, I will say Chambers Bay, like I can totally see, like probably the worst place on the planet to watch a golf tournament. I was there in 2015. It was tough, man. It was really, really, really tough. Because there's kids to play, not fuck God Grace plays.

Also, just think about, we don't have to do a bunch of it. Although, Kea was kind of similar, where like, well, that's not. There's a lot of Chambers Bay that kind of like winds in itself, right? And you couldn't have fans on both sides of the hole. So a lot of the fans are just like all out on the perimeters. So you, there's a lot of holes where it just like, you couldn't see anything. You couldn't, it's like a big, it's like a big bathtub. Yeah.

Exactly. And you're standing around the outside of the bathtub. Yeah. So, um, what else we got? I think I'm taked out. That's a lot of pods. That's a lot of golf. That's the most golf ever watching one week.

I say it again. I say it again to the ESPN and CBS. Like we did not actually think you'd come up with 45 hours of life coverage. We kind of just asked for it. We didn't actually want it. That's too much. I'm exhausted.

I am excited for the Schwab this week though. We're gonna, DJ and we're gonna go down for a couple days. Yeah, that'll be great. I'm not very fort worth, I'm excited for that. We gotta, we gotta cap it on some Phil stuff. What are, I mean, it like makes me laugh at even like, as I'm saying it out loud, like considering Phil just won the PGHAV chip, which is a crazy sentence.

What, I mean, give me, give me some highlights. What are some, what are some, you know, favorite Phil moments? Like we always talk about like this guy's been, you know, oh my God, he's been such a parody, such a cartoon character the last few years. Like give me some good stuff. What's top of mind for you? I mean, he ran after a putt at Chinatuck.

We didn't really talk about that. Like he claimed that was the right move too when he could have taken it on playable and replayed his shot if he wanted to. The coffee cup, just the fact that he just carries around that dumb ass coffee, like that big insulated coffee mug. The sunglasses, of course. I mean, it's a lunatic. It's just appreciation for again, and this is something we've talked about all week of like dialing up your best golf when you want it the most is something that I just watching people

go through the cauldron of a major championship. And at the same time, I know it hasn't done it a while, but I felt such, I felt probably more trust than I was giving off in terms of like him with the lead and him playing in these last couple rounds of like, you know, you don't have to wonder how he's gonna handle it, right? He's been there so many times that it's not, you know, there's almost no like holy shit feeling for Phil, even if it has been a while. Yeah.

That's something that doesn't go away, I can't imagine. There can't be like, I can't believe I'm doing this, right? I mean, when Tiger got the chance at Bellary, he played awesome and when he got the chance of the Masters, he played great down the stretch and won it 11 years after his last major. And Phil, at the same time, like, had not had success in majors. And when he had the chance, he played great.

And I'll just, I don't think we'll ever forget that 50 years old, a PGA-tort champions player just won a major in the most competitive error probably in golf history. The guy who was in the booth last year at the PGA just roast like getting ready for his TV career. Yeah, which credits a Fowdo. He did not, he was not petty about any of that this week. I would have thought that Fowdo would have just been throwing little jabs here and there, but he took the high road entirely this week.

That's what Twitter's for tonight. I'm sure I'm sure her toss a couple out there. Let me know because I'm blocked. So I won't see any of it. But I think I think I think going back to Phil too, I think, hey, I don't think this is the last but like really, really, he may not win another one. I think he will, but I think this is like, he's going to give us a few more tastes of this.

And then you think he's going to win another major? I think he's gonna give us a few more tastes of this. And then, you think he's gonna win another major? I think he's gonna, if he doesn't, he's gonna come really, really close. I truly believe he's gonna win a major. He's so hard to win. They're so hard to win. I know, dude, I'm totally with you, but like, I've got LACC, I think he's primed for that place.

And then, I think there too, and then he's gonna just, I think there too, like it's, and then he's gonna just, with Phil, it's like he's so tantalizing, like he hits, he does this stuff and then he follows, he always follows it up with a, a missed five footer or just tries to get too cute with something and like it was so cool to actually see it come to fruition today. Like just, you know, feel, feel like holy shit. This is actually happening. And we've got a good friend. I just want to give a quick word. We got a good friend, Jim Hartzel, lost his son earlier this week. And his son was the son Jordan biggest Phil fan in the world. Like, and Jim was like, God, Tron, he just, you know, I could never get over all Phil's bullshit.

Like he just, all the bullshit, man, and all these distractions, all this extra shit that he does, and Jordan just loved it, man. And he would have loved this. He would have just, it was like the coolest thing for Jim today. So I just wanna just smile on my face, just knowing that he's there now, I'm happy.

Seriously. Well said. Top of mind for me as well. And just, I think that was a, oh man, yeah, that's gonna be a tough one to talk about. But the fact that Phil fucking Mikkelson won the week that that happened to Jim, like if it's a lot, that's a lot. So last thing I have, just because I feel like we got to discuss it. If Phil goes and do we need to talk about Saudi Arabia like sure he he literally might follow this up by like

Thanks for the memories guys like I'm gonna go check out this Saudi Arabian golf tour After this and I kind of ended my like long Twitter thread about Phil with this and it's like does that matter? Check out these views of the resume. Yeah, check out these views. Does it matter? Does it not matter? Do we separate that from everything else that he's done? Does this change anything?

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like, it just feels like something we need to discuss. It felt like- I think he's getting some pit money, right? At the very least. I think he was gonna get a pit money anyways. But it felt like, I think he was getting some pit money, right? At the very least. I think he was gonna get a pit money anyways. But I felt like, yeah. Yeah.

He would do some stupid bullshit to like, drum up, you know, some crazy, like he started his own version of Goop or something like that. Wouldn't that, wouldn't him leaving make a lot more sense without having just won a major, you know, he's kind of riding off into the sunset a little bit, kind of doing all kinds of crazy shit anyways. I hadn't really been that relevant for the last five years.

Him going and playing, like finishing out his career in Saudi Arabia for a ton of money would have made a lot more sense than now, like, do like the perfect, not book into your career, but like resurgence in this memorable moment and like we had this lasting memory of you doing this and you could go mess around for five more years and we wouldn't think of it any differently, right? Whereas if he goes and does it now, I think it's like, dude, that's going to be that wasn't blowback. I think something else that's probably pulling them back in and I, you know,

I don't know how this will shake out if this Saudi Arabia thing comes to fruition. Phil does it or not. You know, antitrust and restraint of trade. I don't know how this will work and all that. I'm sure to be tied up with the courts, but like the Ryder Cup stuff, right? It's like a fill, like fill being a Ryder Cup captain at say, like Beth Page in 2024. Yeah. I didn't think about that. What was that?

Yeah, it's like, or 25 now. 25? Yeah, it's like, that's like, you know, that's gonna be like the ultimate. Like I feel like Phil was like born to be a Ryder Cup captain, right? And if he's leaving that on the table, that's probably a probably, you know, hey, like how much is that worth Phil? Is that worth five million dollars to you? Is that worth ten million dollars to you?

No, literally, like thirty million dollars to me. Yeah, and I would have to think the price probably went up today. If anything, right? Like it's uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, literally though, that's kind of the thing. He was like, hey, would you rather be a Ryder Cup captain? Would you rather have $30 million? That Ryder Cup, that's a decision not a lot of people have had to make.

That Ryder Cup can't happen, right? That thing is too dangerous. Speaking of which, we do need to do one final segment here. This is, which is brought to you by our friends at BMW, of course, the spot global sponsors. Are you standing up, Dated? I will check if they're up, Dated, but they're global partners of the rider cup and they're partners of ours.

And this is, this is a perfect segue into our rider cup segment. I'm here in some rider, feel for rider cup chatter going on right now. Does this week change anything for you guys? I mean, you might make it on his own accord, right? He was 50 second coming into this week. Don't you get double points? You do get double points for this. Or 1.5, I think is what it is.

Oh, man. So. He was 50 second. It doesn't look like they've got a ticket. No, he gets double points. Two points per $1,000 earned. And he just earned almost $2 million. He earned 2.16 million.

So he earned 4,300 points, which would put him... So he ended up in the top 20-ish. Yeah, he would put him around Zalatoris, yeah, just barely in top 20. I'm not... Man, I'm going with my head here more than my heart in that. I'm not quite as bullish as you, Tron, that this is something that's going to continue this really felt like a one-off crazy jack in 86 week. I'm not saying it's going to continue this year. I'm saying it might continue in three years.

I think it fits and starts, for sure. I do agree with that. I agree he's going gonna contend at the masters for a number of years, maybe not super regularly, but you know, they'll pop up. I think maybe a British open, like I could totally see that, but I just, man, I have every vision in my head of like, somehow he gets on this Ryder Cup team

and him playing so bad at Wissing Strait. That's the last thing we have of 2018, which is a totally different golf course. But Wistling straights, Pete Di Golf Course on the water, not really Linc C, play the ball in the air. It's gonna be set up easy. If he bombs it and drives it super straight, like of course he'd be great to have on the team.

I just, wait a minute, that feels like a big if. When we started the segment, I was so out, like literally 60 seconds ago I was out on this and I think I've talked myself into it. I think they're not gonna have any rough, it's gonna be the vomit far, find it and wedge it and make a lot of birdies and that guy does those things pretty well.

I don't think it's necessary though. That's what I keep coming back to and all these like talking about read and talking about fill for these things. Like you have so much depth, you don't need to take a big risk like that. That's what I was going to say is the only way I could see it would be if the P.J. of America puts their thumb on the scale as far as like, we people love fill, we need to have fill there and like,

check it out. The U.S. team's already like way deeper anyways. Like, you can afford to have fill on the team. Come on, take one for the team. Outside of that, like, I just, if you're sitting here and it's like, man, do you think you have a better chance to win? What is it? Three months from now, four months from now, with Phil Mickelson playing Whistling Straits. That doesn't sound like a great proposition to me. I mean, it's interesting. I think there's a couple you've got. De decent weekend from P. P shot, P shot 6970, get into a tight.

2017. P 17 there. Fee now T8. Like I feel like the guys that are kind of on that 6789 bubble all played well. Capco is sixth. He played well. Read.

Fee now. Morca was fourth. Like all those guys just, played well, read, phenal, Moracal was fourth, like all those guys just, you know, it's kind of, it's, it's going to get pretty, it's going to get pretty definite, like who the, who the top four or five guys are, and then it's going to be a total free for all the captain's big stuff. So good, good question from, from Frank Allen in the comments there. If it's between fillers, allotores. Don't think. We gotta start thinking about the future at some point. It's kinda where I'm at, right? I mean, Saul, you've been saying that for like six years though,

they never, they never do. Right, they never do. But I'm saying at some point, we do need to start thinking about this. This would seem to be a good place to do it. I think for content and for entertainment purposes, I think Phil should 100% be on the team. As should Tiger, if he can even stand up.

But for like picking the best team, like, I don't know, it feels like a stretch. Yeah, well. I feel like Tiger needs a jacked up, like, lifted up, uh, one of those cards. Big cards. Big card, right? That'd be interesting.

Give him something totally macked out, like like not not your standard fair assistant captain stuff like let let tiger Really really be just comfortable there if we're if we're talking about building the best team We're gonna have to have the DJ conversation at some point. I'm just I'm just saying that that's why at some point We're gonna have to have that conversation. Is he hurt? Like, what's the deal? Don't ask me if I'm hurt, dawg. I don't know. I hope so. I guess I'd rather be hurt and recoverable than this be that big of a dip in play.

What was the stat first world number one to miss two consecutive major cuts since Greg Norman, I think? Yeah. And that's what is crazy about locking in the points. You know, I mean, it would take, it would take a, you know, several months of bad play to really actually have this conversation, which it's very premature to have it, but he like, can't play as way off of him. So what happens if he's not healthy and goes the rest of the year without playing good and

he's going to be a lock for the team? So honestly, though, like, I mean, if there's one guy that you need to take one for the team, like, I don, if there's one guy that you need to take one for the team, DJ, I don't care. He told DJ like, yo, do we don't need you to Wisconsin? You like, it's okay. It's fine. I had plans that we could anyway. So, so no big moves on the European side, like,

ROM, ROM finished high, um, to like, uh, the pod, pod, I know. Was the high high finisher for the European side. He's the captain. Confusing week for the European side, you know, with, you know, how well they had, they finished in 2012. They were all over that leaderboard. And then this, this week other than team Rose, no one really in the, in the top 10 there.

Okay. See, too. Low-ray, of course. Yeah. Okay. That was bad take on my end. Listen. I can't blame the coverage for that cuz I kind of lost track of the Middly so that means I'm right I think I'm wrapped I'm taked out. That's a week a takes right there. That's all we got You apologize to Chan Kim

Sure, what do I need what are you him an apology for him manipulation? Sure. What do I need? What are you him an apology for manipulation? You finished you finished T 23 shot 67. Oh, that's on you. So good for him. He manipulated his way into the field and you know played well. Didn't see didn't see many other manipulators. They were too high up on the later board. And that's all that's all I can note. I wonder why that might be.

Um, no, I mean, I guess parting thought for me was like going back to Friday. Like I was I watched most like I didn't hear it really anything. I watched most of it in like, you know, on TVs that were muted or on an airplane or something like that. And like watching the cut line on Friday afternoon, watching those, like watching ESPN cover that and then cover Brooks going to the range and doing interviews and SVP and DuVal up there. Like that was some of the best, like Friday afternoon was some of the best golf viewing I've seen and none of the leaders were even on the course.

Like watching Chan Kim and God, I'm trying to think who else was trying to like grind to make the cut, Danny McCarthy. Eric and Roy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was unbelievable.

It's awesome. So more of that ESPN. I know. ESPN was great. They were the MVP of the week, I think. ESPN was really good. Just to live again, man, I feel like a major. This is the first time I think anyone's ever asked us for more speed takes.

Kind of didn't talk any speed today, but I think we talked plenty of speed. We have we've given that plenty of run. It was not happening today. Didn't work out so close. I just had a couple more lip in. We would have really would have been right there, but just not quite our week. It's a good look for for the British open. I think I think St. George is going to be going to be pretty much for him.

A lot of blind shots and just kind of funky. Let's get some get some putting going. Yeah. All right, boys. All right, I think that's it. Thanks everyone for a really fun major week, very memorable major. The one I hope we don't move on from too quickly.

If things go as planned, we'll have another podcast out Tuesday with a very interesting guest. It won't be not Phil, I'm not trying to over-hype it, but potentially some very interesting perspective on what unfolded this past week. So I hope to record that tomorrow, and we'll see you guys again soon. Thanks everyone for the live show, comments,

and all that, it's a lot of fun to do these shows. And it's crazy dream to do this job. So thanks everyone for everything this week. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers That's better than most Better than most. Better than most.